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Feb. 28, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Putin raises nuclear alert

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	Are you guys over there more afraid of Putin than we are afraid here?
	Are you afraid to provoke more aggression from him?
	Just listen.
	Were Ukrainians provoking any aggression?
	Were we doing anything wrong at all to provoke aggression of Russia?
	Do you think you can do something wrong to escalate the conflict or provoke it?
	No, nothing is needed.
	He will come to you.
	Give up everything, yes, all the other things, and urgently do everything to stop Putin, stop this aggression, because he will never stop himself.
	That is a young Ukrainian mother, Olena Ganes, who is talking, that was on Fox News, talking from a bomb shelter underneath Kiev.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, this is America First, coming to you live from just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington, D.C.
	It is great to be back, not in the swamp, but back in studio.
	We have so much to discuss.
	Just a handful of guests today, just three guests.
	Why?
	Because I have a lot to share with you from our three days at CPAC, our private meeting with President Trump, which was incredible.
	Then the speech he gave to the assembled thousands over the three days.
	We had 18,000 patriots In Orlando, an incredible, incredible meeting re-energized the conservative movement.
	But the focus for today with Victoria Sparks, a Ukrainian-American member of Congress, Victor Davis Hanson for the whole third hour, and none other than former Secretary for Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, Robert Wilkie in studio, is going to be and none other than former Secretary for Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, Robert How do we approach this crisis?
	that woman wants us to intervene Is that the right response?
	What is the truth about the events of the last few days in Eastern Europe?
	Now, I understand The warnings of misinformation, of propaganda, it is absolutely reasonable given the history of the Soviet Union, the communist heritage of that regime which is run by a former KGB colonel, that we should be incredibly careful of any information from the battlefield.
	Whether it is propaganda, From the Kremlin or whether it is misinformation from perhaps well-meaning individuals who want the West to be more involved in Ukraine.
	Here is the matter of the case.
	I've had it with conservatives or people who say they're conservatives being on the wrong side of this conflict.
	I'm not going to argue for troop deployments.
	As former strategist of President Trump, that's not my rhetoric.
	It's not my belief system.
	We weren't interventionists.
	We brought troops home under President Trump and we got us out of what he called dumb wars.
	But the idea that this is irrelevant, or that this is some deep, deep ploy to embroil us in some scheme by George Soros, Here's my reaction to one criticism some conservatives had lain at my feet over the last three days.
	I posted a photograph of the president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, in a flak jacket, in body armour, with the following words.
	This is what a president looked like.
	And I believe that, and I stand by it, despite the fact that numerous individuals have DM'd me, have commented on my posts on all my platforms, on Truth Social, on Twitter, on Facebook, that, oh my gosh, that's a photograph from three years ago!
	Or whatever it is.
	Here's my response.
	I don't care.
	I didn't say he was in a foxhole firing an RPG at a Russian tank!
	I was saying this is a man who is leading his nation against a ruthless bloody dictator!
	Allegedly, if the reports are to believe, our feckless administration offered to evacuate the Ukrainian president, to get him out of the country, and in his video response he said, I'm not leaving, because I fight for my country, and that is what a president looks like, and that is true leadership.
	On top of that, More than one individual came up to me at our recent meeting in CPAC and said, have you heard?
	It's all about the U.S.
	bio labs.
	Vladimir Putin is going in there to blow up the U.S.
	biological warfare labs in Ukraine.
	Well, one person who said that to me at CPAC regretted it.
	I have no information.
	I still have my clearances.
	I have no information of US bioweapons labs in the Ukraine, which I find rather surprising, given we convinced them to give up even their nuclear weapons in the Budapest Memorandum.
	But who knows what Fauci's up to, even if there's some deep plot by CDC or NIH to do bioweapons research in Ukraine.
	It's utterly bloody irrelevant.
	The Ukraine is an independent nation.
	Yes, a flawed one, but an independent nation that has been invaded on a false premise of rampant Nazis, of genocide against the Russians in Ukraine.
	Garbage lies.
	Just like the tanks that rolled into Hungary in 1956 when my parents lived there to crush the freedom fight that had so much of it, redolent of the spirit of 1776, it's happening again.
	And to those of those, I don't know whether it's remnant QAnon crazies, who are tweeting out, it's Soros.
	Why are you backing the Ukraine?
	Soros chose that government and he's against Putin as well.
	So it must be a plot.
	Can we have some critical thought on our side?
	What if George Soros suddenly said, you know what?
	Big Macs are better than Burger King Whoppers.
	Does that mean that McDonald's is part of some massive George Soros conspiracy?
	He's going to pick somebody that doesn't mean the Ukrainians aren't fighting for their freedom.
	That doesn't mean that civilian tower blocks are being bombed as we speak.
	That doesn't mean that 500,000 Ukrainians have escaped.
	Women and children, by the way, because the men are staying to fight.
	How interesting is that?
	Can I just add a little inject when it comes to our country?
	Think of all the young males of military age who have illegally crossed into America last year.
	Almost 2 million illegal immigrants, the majority of them men.
	Interesting how Ukrainian men aren't trying to escape.
	They're actually going to the central depots to be handed automatic weapons and ammunition.
	Doesn't that tell you something about the value of their culture?
	What does it say about men from other countries, from other cultures?
	Yes, media matters.
	Get typing if you don't like what I'm saying.
	Western civilization is the best, is the greatest.
	And the Ukrainian men are staying to fight for their freedom.
	And as a nation which witnessed eight million of its citizens murdered by Stalin, by Moscow, by the Kremlin, in the mass starvation of the Holomodor, you can bet that they will fight to their last breath.
	In the cities, in the streets, in the mountains, in the forests, just as they did Against Stalin's troops.
	They will do it again.
	And we don't need to deploy the 82nd Airborne.
	I'm going to tell you what I recommend needs to be done so that the Ukrainians can fight for their freedom, just as we did in 1776.
	Because they too are made in the image of their creator.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First Next In Studio.
	Secretary Robert Wilkie.
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	Third Hour with Victor Davis Hanson.
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	I get it for a good price.
	And I have been very busy with Newsmax.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	We're going to get you on this Thursday for my show.
	Yeah, you can.
	I did five shows yesterday.
	Excellent.
	I did some this morning, too.
	Good.
	Who asked you the best questions?
	Sellers did.
	Sellers?
	Bob Sellers.
	American Agenda.
	What time of day was that?
	Oh, that's one.
	He's on with Heather Childers.
	Oh, yeah.
	Heather's great.
	Heather's great.
	Yeah, she's off this week.
	And then the fellow on the weekend, Tom.
	He was good.
	Good.
	I was on with Boykin, General Boykin.
	Oh, excellent.
	Love Jerry.
	Right, so, do we have the audio of the president talking about me?
	Do we have that?
	How good is it, the audio of the president?
	My adobe edition isn't working so I just sent it to John to do it.
	Okay.
	I'd like to come in with that.
	You've got two and a half minutes.
	Which president?
	The president.
	Oh, okay.
	Alright, we had a private reception with him before CPAC.
	Oh, did you?
	And he saw me and he said, hello, Sebastian.
	You're so tall and handsome in front of everybody.
	They just started laughing.
	It's hilarious.
	Can you pour that?
	Turn that to me, John.
	I can't hear it.
	Alright, come in with that.
	Did you see Tony Abbott's piece today?
	No, no, no.
	The West is weak.
	Oh, good.
	A wonderful piece, because he talks about destroying our culture.
	Wow.
	And what's the point of defending something you don't believe in?
	Well, you can't if you don't believe in it.
	It's very simple.
	You and I talk about that all the time.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Did you see Swalwell tweeted?
	Yes.
	Ah, Swalwell.
	You mean the one about kicking out all the Russians?
	No, that Trump would be sending weapons to Russia if he was president.
	Oh my goodness gracious.
	I like the one where he said, the interview he gave where he said, let's kick out all Russian students in America.
	But not Chinese ones, right?
	Because Fang Fang would be upset.
	Good!
	Let them!
	Twitter especially, it's just non-stop sharing images like G-O-P with the hammer and sickle with the O instead.
	It's the continuation of the Russia host.
	They think they're going to run on that in the midterm.
	I think that's their plan.
	It's gone full circle.
	All they say now is, oh, you don't support going to war, you must be a traitor.
	It's all lefties saying that now.
	So it just helped your go out.
	Oh, yeah.
	Nice distraction for Trudeau.
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	Well, you know, it's a sad thing because General Eisenhower said the finest troops he commanded were Canadians.
	He did?
	He was a magnificent soldier.
	Good.
	And I didn't know he said that.
	Okay, 20 seconds, stand by, we're doing Israel here.
	And it was the current Prime Minister's father who wrecked the Canadian military.
	Oh, do you have a title or is it just contributor?
	No, it's senior.
	...certain subjects, although I will tell you this, that...
	Greetings, sir.
	Tom Williams.
	You won't find that video anywhere else.
	We're going to post that later.
	That was the private meeting we had with President Trump before he went out onto the main stage at CPAC and, well, he saw me in the audience because I'm a little bit taller than the average Joe and he said, Hello Sebastian!
	So tall and handsome.
	Thank you, sir.
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	Don, Maria, Matthew, Ken, Judy.
	But first, we have to talk to our first guest of the day.
	Couldn't pick a better one.
	He is so newly minted.
	He is extra shiny.
	He is the senior national security analyst, brand new for Newsmax, former member of the Trump administration in the Cabinet for Veterans Affairs, Secretary Robert Wilkie, now with the Heritage Foundation.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me.
	It's great to have you, especially in your new facility.
	How many interviews did Newsmax, did you do today?
	Just one today, but five yesterday.
	Five yesterday, that's how much he is in demand.
	A man who has served this nation in uniform, in more than one service by the way, and also in the Pentagon as a civilian and then as a member of the cabinet.
	Let me ask you, we can go anywhere with this discussion.
	First things first, It looks as if Vladimir Putin may have bitten off more than he can chew.
	Your analysis?
	Absolutely.
	He put together a very complicated operational plan, four axes of attack, without the proper logistical train to support them.
	Eisenhower's great line was amateur study tactics, professional study logistics.
	Putin didn't take that lesson.
	But let's talk about a deeper problem within the Russian state.
	The tradition of Russia, and you know this better than anyone being an Eastern European, was to ignite the Russian steamroller that was supposed to overwhelm all foes simply by sheer mass.
	Yes.
	Didn't work in World War I, almost didn't work in World War II.
	But since Putin has come, and it didn't work in Afghanistan, but since Putin has come to power, we've seen them get bloody noses in Chechnya, in Georgia, in Aleppo, in Syria, Syria writ large, and now in Ukraine.
	So why is that?
	The Russian conscript is a Russian conscript.
	He is poorly led.
	He is poorly fed.
	He is poorly motivated.
	He doesn't want to be there.
	The traditional conditions for the Russian soldier, the Soviet soldier, have been brutal.
	Which means what?
	It means Putin has to rely on his instruments of terror to subdue a population, and that is rockets, towed artillery, assassination teams.
	But he's forgotten the lesson of Stalingrad.
	I talked about this with one of your friends today, General Boykin.
	So Hitler takes his largest army, the Sixth Army, and instead of going around Stalingrad and cutting it off, And then moving to take Russian oil in the Caucasus.
	He goes straight.
	The famous story of the grain elevator in Stalingrad.
	Weeks, two German divisions attack this massive grain elevator that's been reduced to rubble.
	When they finally break the resistance after weeks and weeks, they find 40 Soviet soldiers in there.
	That's it.
	Putin is now on the verge of turning every block in the Ukraine capital and in Kharkov into a pillbox.
	people who hate Russians.
	And he really, he's going to be reeling.
	And here's the graphic part we've seen.
	And I've seen some of the pictures.
	They have masked their crematorium trucks.
	These are the trucks that incinerate a body in a split second.
	So you don't see the pictures that we have of some place like Dover.
	Yeah, this is what they did in Afghanistan, so the grandmas wouldn't see the bodies of the 19-year-olds coming back.
	And, you know, he's been holed up, Dr. Gorka, with his cronies, his kleptocrat cronies, in his bunker.
	And something you and I talked about over a month ago, Boris finally did.
	He went after them.
	He's going after their property.
	You and I mentioned the owner of the Chelsea Football Club.
	He's on his way out.
	And so they're starting to get antsy.
	But I agree with you.
	He's bought more than he could chew.
	And one thing happened from our British cousins that the national media, of course, doesn't understand.
	When British Petroleum, which is one of the three largest energy companies in the world, Cut all of its ties with Russian energy.
	That sent shockwaves.
	Yeah.
	Because now you're getting at the heart of an economy that is nothing more, as you have said many times, one large filling station.
	Yeah.
	And for those who don't follow British politics or economics, London in the last 30 years became a hub of Russian money laundering, especially the real estate sector.
	And for this government to say, The British economy, the financial system is cutting all ties with Russian companies.
	That is quite something.
	And to your point about the construct army, we're finding a way to do this.
	I found a video at the weekend.
	I don't know if it's state I owe information operations, but if it is fabulous, if it isn't, it's even better.
	Two Ukrainian troops just standing there with their AKs talking to the camera saying to the Russian conscripts, you haven't died yet.
	But you are living in wretched conditions, without food, sleeping on the floor.
	If you surrender now, we will feed you, we'll give you a hot cup of tea.
	Otherwise, you will die at our hands.
	That is how you do information operations.
	That's exactly how you do it.
	And they have been masters at this.
	Putin is reeling.
	Because what, let's say, He goes into the capital.
	What has he done?
	Well, in addition to making every block a pillbox, those forces disperse into the country.
	And you know from your expertise in European history, once Ukrainians get into the countryside, they like doing nothing better than killing Nazis and communists.
	And they just, they view them.
	That's exactly one of the things they said in this little video.
	We know this country because it is our homeland and you don't.
	That is the lesson of the war, the militia wars against the Soviet occupiers.
	Again, this is a nation that had millions killed at the hands of Stalin.
	Yes, there are Russian minorities in the country, but the Ukrainians and even some of the Russians who want to live in a free Ukraine will fight to the bitter end.
	He is former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, now Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
	Join the Heritage Foundation today, heritage.org.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	wherever you are, whatever you're doing, stay on this channel.
	Mic's back on.
	Yes, Mike's back on.
	He's clearly smart, but he's not a strategic thinker.
	And the idea that, you know, you don't have the capacity of the Soviet army, you have a fraction of the Soviet GDP, and you're going to attack a country the size of Ukraine on all fronts, in the East, the South, the North and the West.
	I mean, a two-front war is hard enough for America to do.
	And you're doing a four-front war?
	He's also done something that again you and I talked about well over a month ago and this administration still hasn't caught on.
	He has now engaged Erdogan.
	Yes.
	Erdogan is supplying munitions to the Turks, to the Ukrainians.
	The Turkish Navy is out of its, off its piers.
	Second largest army in NATO is there.
	Some pretty tough guys.
	Very tough, very tough people.
	And someone said, well, it's because he's now picking a winner.
	Okay.
	He's picked Europe as a winner?
	Great!
	We need to do the same thing with the Finns and the Swedes.
	Oh, and the news of the Finns?
	That they're providing lethal support and even the Swiss are joining the sanctions?
	That's never happened before?
	That's never happened.
	A Reuters poll, again, you and I were on this months ago.
	A Reuters poll taken a few years ago.
	Which I wrote about for Heritage.
	And people can find it.
	It's how do you change the European chessboard.
	78% of Finns say they're ready to kill Russians now.
	It's their favorite hobby.
	It's their favorite pastime.
	And they'll do it with a rusty nail.
	And they'd go into the forests and the mountains and... I don't know.
	What was that guy called?
	The white angel of death?
	The sniper, right?
	Like the deadliest sniper ever.
	That killed more Russians than anybody else?
	It was like a wildly... and he used iron sights too.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It was Mannerheim, the general who... they took out two Russian armies.
	Now, the numbers finally got to them, but they have a very capable military.
	It's interoperable with our forces, the same with the Swedes, of course, the most modern military that you will find out there.
	They're pointed at Kaliningrad.
	They are ready to surround it and cut it to pieces.
	But I just don't see, and I know enough people to figure out what this administration is doing.
	I just don't see anyone looking at Europe like a chessboard.
	And how do you change the calculus in Putin's mind?
	Because with Finland and Sweden you've just put the Arctic in play.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And look, he's brutal, so he'll do it if he wants to, but how stupid are you that your myth is that your proto-Viking ancestors built the Rusland in Kiev, but dude, you're going to have to flatten it.
	Right.
	So, you're going to destroy the thing that you wish to be the jewel in your crown?
	You're absolutely right.
	It was deranged.
	I mean, the Church of the Holy Wisdom, which is now the Cathedral of Saint Sophia.
	1037, the foundations were laid.
	1900 years before Lenin, since he said Ukraine was a creation of Vladimir.
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	He's a visiting fellow, Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, but most importantly, former Cabinet Member, Secretary for Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration.
	Secretary Wilkie, we're talking about, in the break, this administration.
	Tomorrow is the State of the Union.
	Just the sheer fact that Psaki confirms at the weekend that, yes, we will mention Ukraine in the State of the Union is mind-bending, is it not?
	It's not surprising.
	I mentioned on television this weekend that this is faculty lounge lunacy, running this show.
	The notion that in the midst of a nation of 40 million being overrun, we have a senior White House official who once passed for being Secretary of State, say that he hopes that Putin will stand by his climate change promises.
	For those who missed it, we played the cut from CPAC.
	John Kerry, the climate czar, actually said three days ago he is worried that this war will distract us and Putin from the question of global warming and climate change.
	It's a bad joke?
	It is.
	This is what the Germans used to call cloud cuckoo.
	I want to commend one thing to you and to the folks out there.
	If you want a good synopsis as to where we are as the West writ large, there was a wonderful piece in the Wall Street Journal today.
	Putin gambles that the West is weak by the great former Prime Minister of Australia, Tony Abbott.
	And he goes through how the West has declined in military power, but more importantly, how the West has declined in its defense of itself.
	Culturally, I'll just read a couple lines.
	And he talks about Ukraine.
	Ukraine's fate was sealed when President Biden said that America would not respond to any minor incursions.
	Yeah, it's unwillingness to take risk to protect Ukraine is now fueling doubts about the risk that the US might run to help defend other countries that were once controlled by Russia.
	And then he goes on to say that in addition to the climate change nonsense, we cannot stand up for the best of us.
	The article is Putin gambles that the West is weak.
	We're going to find it.
	We're going to post it.
	In the last minute and a half we have with you, Secretary Wilkie, I've said the following in the last five days.
	This is what should happen, unlikely to happen under the Biden administration.
	Number one, unleash our energy because that hurts Putin.
	Number two, relocate troops that are available from Germany and elsewhere to frontline states like the Baltic states, like Poland, like Hungary.
	The Trump plan.
	The Trump plan, exactly.
	And then the last two, which could happen instantly, is massive supplies of weapons to Ukraine.
	We have that with Finland, a neutral nation, agreeing to do that.
	We have Switzerland agreeing to join us in the sanction.
	Then lastly, providing intelligence through our peerless ISR SIGINT capabilities to Kiev so they can hurt the Russians.
	Anything I'm missing?
	No, you're not.
	And one quick thing, you're absolutely right.
	What the Biden administration and the mainstream media don't understand is Ukraine's a vast territory.
	We've now been shown that the Russians can't fight at night.
	You can get things in there.
	And I'm not just saying that as some... Do you understand, guys?
	Yes.
	Things can be moved.
	We own the night.
	They don't.
	That's why this has taken them so long in addition to the condition of their ground troops.
	Newest member of the Newsmax family, Robert Wilkie, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, served this nation with honor in a uniform in more than one service.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Food for the poor, home dead luck.
	Uh, so what was the first one?
	Oh, food for the poor.
	Okay.
	And let's look at some of these cuts.
	Yeah.
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	Is one good?
	Hoffman's good, right?
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	Alright, I'll do Food for the Poor, I'll tee up one, and then I'll go to Calls.
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	FFTP, one, Calls.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, The White Death is what that sniper is called.
	Yeah, The White Death.
	That's right, that's right.
	Allegedly over 500 kills.
	What's his name?
	Simo Hayha?
	Hayha.
	Alright, 20 seconds.
	Standby.
	And did he have a scar or something on his face?
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	My goodness.
	Alright, stand by.
	Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Shocking, shocking images.
	Mothers, children in air-raid shelters.
	Terrified, terrified youngsters in Ukraine, not knowing where their next meal is coming from.
	Sadly, that fate is not confined to Eastern Europe.
	It's happening much, much closer to home, in our very own hemisphere, with hundreds of thousands of children waking up hungry every day and going to sleep hungry, not knowing when they will eat again.
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	Putin may be ruthless.
	He may face no opposition at home.
	But he's making some mistakes.
	Let's listen to our good buddy Daniel Hoffman, former CIA station chief in Moscow, so he knows what he's talking about.
	Yeah, he never served in the military, but intelligence was his business.
	And intelligence would have been key to him in determining Ukraine's capacity and will to fight.
	And Russia has overstretched.
	It reminds me of General Secretary Brezhnev in the last couple of years of his life invading Afghanistan.
	And that war put a lot of nails in the coffin of the Soviet Union.
	Vladimir Putin Took a great risk here.
	He's dealing with extended supply lines, which is having impact, a negative impact on his troops' ability to move.
	There are major rivers in Ukraine that also pose challenges.
	And there are large cities.
	And Russia just doesn't have the troops to subdue them.
	And Ukraine, as you've highlighted, led by their President Zelensky, bravely demonstrating how committed they are, fighting for their freedom and their independence.
	Well, we have an amazing roster of guests this week.
	We've planned it all out before the show today because of the geopolitical events.
	Third hour one-on-one with none other than Victor Davis Hanson.
	We put the call out for Daniel Hoffman as well, if you need.
	Updates, analysis you can trust and what it means to Americans.
	You've got to stay here on America First and listen to the Salem Radio Channel.
	Okay guys, call board is absolutely full with our good good buddies.
	Let's start with the man who was dialing before I'd even begun the monologue.
	It's Don in Los Angeles.
	Greetings my dear friend.
	Dr. G, I was champing at the bit.
	I had to get on Voice of America USA.
	Well, you were first out of the gate.
	What's your comment?
	What's your question, dear friend?
	Oh, well, just real quickly, first of all, as someone who has Finnish blood in my veins, I am in awe of the Ukrainians.
	I mean, they're like Finland on steroids right now.
	I think we didn't say it on air, I think we said it in the break with Secretary Wilkie.
	I've known Finns over the years, I've visited Finland, I've had Finns as neighbours.
	I don't think, and I say this with Hungarian blood in my veins, I don't think there's a nation on earth that is more happy to kill Russian invaders than the Finns and they will do it with a rusty corkscrew.
	The fact that Finland, a neutral nation, has decided to arm the Ukrainians, is considering joining NATO, tells you Don that things are hotting up for Vladimir Putin.
	Oh yeah, you know, Dr. G, you're so right, because Putin is so smart, he's just succeeded in uniting all of Europe and all the free world.
	Can I comment on that, because I have a mea culpa, I have to make a public apology.
	I saw this disgraceful edit by, I think it was now Democrats, that wanted to make Condoleezza Rice look like she was pro-Biden.
	And they took an interview of a clip she gave yesterday, where she said, Somebody has united NATO for the first time ever and the Democrats said that she was talking about Biden.
	I lost it.
	I retweeted it.
	I said, oh my gosh, it's Condoleezza Rice on drugs.
	I had to delete it because somebody showed me the full clip and she was talking about Vladimir Putin uniting NATO.
	So Condoleezza Rice, mea culpa, full apologies.
	But yes, it's quite stunning that he's united NATO, Don.
	Yeah, he's just such a genius.
	You know, the funny thing is, the little dictator, I emphasize little, is a little man, and now he's waving around nuclear weapons.
	And the thing is, he's signed his own national death warrant, because now he's given the world license to say, this is a mad dog with nuclear weapons.
	Let's bring his regime down.
	Let's liberate Russia.
	Let the Russian people free.
	Let my people go.
	Moses said it, and it still works.
	I don't know if anybody is going to try and take him out, but what the news reports are saying, the Daily Mail, that he has hired the Wagner group, the Russian mercenary group, more than 30 mercs to deploy to Ukraine to kill Vladimir Zelensky, the president, and another 22 members of his administration.
	So that's who he is.
	He is a bad, bad man.
	Thank you for your call.
	Let's go to Maria, Los Angeles as well.
	Line three.
	Hello, Dr. Gorka.
	It's Maria.
	My relatives, my parents actually came from Poland and fought, my dad fought in the resistance against the Nazis.
	So I've been schooled in a little bit of Eastern European history.
	Here we have President Zelensky for the world to see what bravery and courage really means.
	It's on display, you know, really.
	And a shameful indictment.
	Of the likes of that Biden that Trudeau and I'm going to put this out to you.
	This is a situation that Eastern Europeans may show the world.
	My relatives.
	What courage really means, Americans have no idea.
	I think you've been listening to my show, Maria.
	I think from CPAC I said exactly the same thing.
	If NATO is going to step up to the plate, guess who's going to lead the way?
	It is those nations that lived under the hobnail boot of Soviet occupation, like the land of my forefathers, Hungary, like Poland, the land of your ancestors, and like the Baltic states.
	Those nations will lead the way, because it sure as something isn't going to be Joe Biden.
	God bless you, Miriam.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	Did bring up that destabilizing Russia through removing Putin, which I think is a very dangerous thing.
	I think it's utterly impossible.
	This is a guy who just has journalists killed.
	The idea that you're going to get close to him is just not happening.
	And even if you did, is that...
	You want to destabilize Russia with all their nuclear weapons?
	What are we going to put in place there?
	That, historically, is a bad precedent to set.
	You know?
	And again, I think half the problem is the fact that we know China's backing him.
	There's plenty of Russian nationalism.
	Can you play me Cup Five?
	Five.
	I'll say it right now.
	Tucker Carlson is a fifth columnist.
	And I equate this dictator with the Nazis.
	And anybody that would support Vladimir Putin in this invasion, likely historically would have supported Adolf Hitler invading Czechoslovakia, or Poland, or the Anschluss in Austria, seizing control of the government.
	History is no longer rhyming anymore.
	It's being recreated here.
	That's what it's all about.
	Amazing.
	Uh, give me, uh, six.
	I would also note that on oil leases, what this actually justifies in President Biden's view is the fact that we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, on oil in general, and need to, and we need to look at other ways of having energy in our... 20 seconds by pillow here.
	Do you want to come in?
	I can't come with the audio.
	No, run this one.
	All right, stand by.
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	Welcome back.
	Mike Lindell was there at CPAC.
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	Matthew, Ohio, World War II veteran, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you for taking my call, Doctor.
	My reason for calling is I called Nancy Pelosi's office this afternoon, and I called Sherrod Brown's office this afternoon, and I gave them both a wake-up call to let them know that there's a war going on in the Ukraine.
	You know, they may not know that there's anything going on because... You wanted to inform them of the Third World War being imminent?
	Yes, I informed them and I didn't mince my words either.
	Well, knowing you, Matthew, I'm sure you didn't.
	How was the phone operator?
	What kind of reaction did you get?
	Well, it was just...
	It was just a recording.
	You never can talk to these people.
	They're too busy eating $100 per gallon ice cream, my friend.
	That's right.
	You know, I really would wish that...
	She would have a big electric power failure and meld all that damn ice cream, you know it?
	But the fact is, it would have to be in Florida because you know she bought that multi-multi-multi-million dollar house in Florida.
	I thought she doesn't like Ron DeSantis, Matthew.
	Oh, I know it.
	I know it.
	But he's a good man.
	That's why she doesn't like him.
	It was fabulous.
	We had CPAC not in the swamp this week.
	We had it in the free state of Florida.
	No masks.
	Oh, and by the way, got to give a shout.
	We're going to tell you about some of the fun things we got up to at CPAC.
	But Luigi, Who is our waiter for breakfast?
	Born in Italy, a great American who every morning brought us our cappuccinos made con amore.
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	You're a scholar.
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	Next, we're going to talk more about CPAC, the president's incredible speech.
	We're going to discuss the ramifications of Ukraine with Congresswoman Victoria Sparks, who's from Ukraine, and then Victor Davis Hanson.
	No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. The
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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	Titles for monologue and or Wilkie.
	Wilkie.
	Putin bit off more than he can chew.
	A block.
	The Ukrainian invasion conspiracy theories.
	The Ukrainian invasion conspiracy theories.
	Can you imagine what the State of the Union is going to be like tomorrow?
	They just got rid of the mask.
	He's going to try to say things are going great, like, oh, we're beating the virus, all that stuff.
	He was just speaking.
	Download this clip.
	Guess what he talked about just now.
	Can you play me Cut 4, Eric?
	Cut 4.
	Yes.
	And at that time, Donald Trump was withholding about $400 million in military aid to Ukraine.
	In order to extort the same President Zelensky of Ukraine into helping him smear his opponent, Joe Biden.
	He cared that little about Ukraine, its future, its democracy, that he was willing to just use that country, withhold its military support to get that political help.
	And so if he were president today, you know, again, he would view Ukraine as simply a disposable tool in his hand.
	Uh, to better himself with Putin, who he so admires.
	He would be calling Putin a genius, as he is today.
	And, you know, God help the people he's fighting if he were.
	I'm pretty sure you could see that projection on the moon.
	My God.
	Alright, we've got 25 seconds here.
	That's a good line, Eric.
	Could you steal that broadcast?
	From myself.
	Then it's not fair!
	All right, send bye.
	All right.
	This is America First, and here's your host, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Mind-blowing from a body of mine, Adam Credo.
	I've just retweeted it just in.
	The Biden administration are trying to finalize, to revivify, to resuscitate the Iranian nuclear deal.
	And who are they using?
	I'll give you one guess.
	John, pick between these countries.
	Switzerland, neutral.
	Finland, Sweden, neutral.
	And Russia.
	You're joking, right?
	I'm not joking.
	The Biden administration is asking Russia, that just invaded Ukraine, to broker a deal with Iran.
	I guess that'll be in the State of the Union tomorrow.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	We were at CPAC.
	How many days were we at CPAC?
	What was that?
	You went early, didn't you, Jeff?
	I did.
	I went Wednesday night.
	Just to get a few rounds of golfing, right?
	Well, I was hoping to, but I was not able to do that.
	That was the toughest thing for Mr. G to be in.
	How big was that hotel?
	How many steps did we... I must have gone in like 30,000 steps a day in that hotel.
	That was just going back to the elevator from my room.
	I know!
	That's what I mean!
	I know.
	I'm in this corridor.
	You looked at the... It's like you were in The Shining.
	This hotel was so big.
	A little bit nicer than The Shining.
	What was the toughest thing?
	Seeing the golf course from out of the window?
	It was very tough for me.
	Plus, I was in Florida.
	And, you know, I have seasonal depression.
	I've actually diagnosed myself with it.
	I hate January and February here, so I show up, I'm in Orlando, 85 degrees, I'm overlooking a pool on a golf course.
	Tough.
	But was that as bad as getting texts at 2am that your boss might be in a fight?
	No, that was much better.
	You missed that!
	He went home early in those rabble rouses, Jim Hansen and Kurt Schlichter were having stogies with me, and some cretin Some idiot thought it would be fun to provoke me.
	I guess he didn't realize how big I was sitting down.
	Should I tell that story?
	Yeah, you have to now.
	But I guess I do.
	I guess I do.
	I'm gonna tease it.
	I never tease anything.
	Radio hosts do this thing where they tease something for two hours.
	A good buddy of mine does that.
	Drives me nuts!
	You know who you are.
	But I will do it this one time because first, priorities please.
	Let's talk about the President's speech.
	Incredible speech.
	We'll get to your calls momentarily.
	The number is 833-33 Gawker.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	We're going to give you cuts.
	Some of my favourite cuts from the President's hour and a half long speech.
	I bumped into his speechwriter afterwards in the bar and I said, dude, can you...
	Please, just half them, half the length, because you know he's going to add stuff, which is great, the stuff that's funny.
	So don't make it an hour-long speech that he's going to add half an hour to.
	Make it a 40-minute speech, so he can extemporise another 20 minutes and then we can go and have fun and smoke cigars.
	OK, we're going to play some cuts from the press, but first let's do the private little cut, because he addressed us.
	There's, as another radio friend of mine said, We were asked to meet the president, about 100 of us, maybe less than 100 of us, before the big event with thousands.
	And we waited for him in a room for 90 minutes standing up.
	And a friend of ours said, there's MAGA, and then there's waiting standing up an hour and a half for President Trump to speak MAGA.
	And he arrived, uproarious applause in this small room.
	And the first thing he said when he saw me in the crowd was this.
	Thank you.
	Great guy.
	Play it again, because we missed the beginning, John.
	From the top.
	...certain subjects, although I will tell you this.
	Hello, Sir Patrick.
	Greetings, sir.
	...tall and great answer.
	Great, great man.
	Great guy.
	See, he remembers.
	Such a nice chappie.
	All right, let's go to the open part of the speech.
	It was played on Newsmax.
	If you haven't seen it, watch it.
	The transcript is available on C-SPAN.
	But let's talk about some of the best bits.
	Let me start with my favorite one.
	Cut 10.
	We're going to end Nancy Pelosi's political career once and for all.
	And then we're going to kick the Biden crime family out of the White House in 2024 or so.
	And And what has that Biden White House done to America?
	Cut eight.
	Now inflation is the highest in 40 years.
	Economists are talking about 5, 6, 7, and even $8 a gallon gasoline.
	Supply chains are crumbling.
	Store shelves are empty.
	Millions of illegal aliens are rushing our borders.
	Murders are setting records in our cities.
	The streets of our Democrat-run cities are drenched in blood.
	A radical left zealot has been nominated to the Supreme Court of the United States.
	China is threatening Taiwan.
	Russia is decimating Ukraine.
	Iran is on the cusp of a nuclear bomb.
	We ended The worst and most dangerous deal I've ever seen.
	And now they want to go back to the Iran nuclear deal.
	America and our great military has been humiliated in its surrender from Afghanistan.
	And that's what it was.
	It was a surrender for no reason whatsoever.
	We wanted to get out, but we had to get out with strength and with dignity.
	And a major war in Europe May very well erupt.
	That's how they start.
	Exactly what's happening today.
	This is how they start.
	Joe Biden has turned calm into chaos, competence into incompetence, stability into anarchy and security into catastrophe.
	So true.
	That's a real state of the nation.
	What will Biden say in tomorrow's state of the nation?
	Well, we'll have analysis for you on Wednesday.
	But if anything, if this is anything to go by, this is the surreal, surreal comment that he just gave on a podcast.
	Who is Tyler Cohen?
	That's exactly what I said when I was typing it out.
	You know, I'm not like Mr. Pop Culture, but I've never heard of him.
	I have no idea who he is either.
	Eric?
	No idea.
	John?
	No.
	I guess this is what the President of the United States does.
	This is what Joe Biden said about people who don't understand how great a president he is.
	Cut three.
	There's a phenomenal negative psychological impact that COVID has had on the public psyche.
	And so you have an awful lot of people who are, notwithstanding the fact that things have gotten so much better for them economically, that they are thinking, but how do you get up in the morning feeling happy?
	Happy that everything's all right.
	I'm not supposed to do this, but sometimes you have to play a cut twice.
	So let me just make sure I heard what I heard there.
	People are unhappy Because they don't know how well they are doing economically, and they wake up sad.
	That's not a deep fake.
	That's not an edit.
	That is what this credulous, senile, doddering old man said, and I don't know.
	Looking at his face, because we've got the video clip here, I think he believes it.
	I think he believes that human beings who are successful, who are living in an economic paradise, can be sad about it at the same time.
	So for the sake of posterity, just in case you thought you missed it and misheard it, we're going to play that 20 second cut one more time because this is America's, I'm sad to say, President.
	is a phenomenal negative psychological impact that COVID has had on the public psyche.
	And so you have an awful lot of people who are, notwithstanding the fact that things have gotten so much better for them economically, that they are thinking, but how do you get up in the morning feeling happy?
	I'm happy that everything's all right.
	Hey, Judy, are you sad in the morning because you're doing so well economically?
	I've got to know, how are things in Brooklyn?
	You know what?
	I took you off the speaker, so you were asking me a question?
	Yeah, I was asking you if you agree with Biden that everybody's doing so successfully economically, but they're still unhappy because reasons.
	I just want to tell you this is a brainless Biden that I call him is brainless Biden.
	And he's just, you know, he's just, you know, he's not with it.
	And sometimes I wonder if he's too with it, you know, like I'm wondering, you know, yeah, he's definitely that is a very on Australian polite way of putting it that he's not with it.
	Oh, don't talk to me about Australians.
	I'm glad I'm in America right now.
	I bet you are.
	Anyway, Dr. Gorka, listen, I hope you give me the time because I really want to illustrate- How much time do we have, John?
	40 seconds.
	Hello?
	You got 40 seconds.
	Oh, God almighty.
	Number one, I have an idea for Brainless Biden's Build Back Better crap, okay?
	Not happening.
	Next one.
	What next?
	Stay on the line.
	We'll chat in the break.
	Stay on the line.
	This is top priority now against Putin and China.
	Not happening.
	Next one.
	What next?
	Okay.
	Oh, I don't know if I have time for this.
	Well, Secretary Blinken...
	Stay on the line.
	We'll chat in the break.
	Stay on the line.
	She's Judy from Brooklyn.
	The End
	The End
	Julian!
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Talk to me.
	You are live on Rumble.
	Behave yourself if you can.
	Oh, that's going to be very hard, especially with you.
	Listen, you know something?
	Yes, what?
	I want to tell you this is not conspiracy because Secretary Clinton went over to you and about to expose Putin.
	Let me tell you what is up front and personal for me when I read this.
	I thought I'm exploding.
	Putin monstrous ruthlessness.
	And that's exactly what it is.
	He's so ruthless.
	He made a quote unquote plan to go into Ukraine, into the into the Russian sector, murder kindergarten children in a school.
	OK, he targeted a kindergarten.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Listen, listen.
	And he even had like a whole production of actors crying over dead bodies.
	He's getting ready for everything.
	He was going to go to the UN because he was going to use chemical and biological weapons and he was going to pin it on the Ukrainians saying, look at that, genocide, blah, blah, blah.
	And at 11, no, 8.45 in the morning last Thursday, Yep.
	Yep, that's who he is.
	kindergarten in a certain room that they knew the kids are always there but luckily for the kids they were out in a minute before eating breakfast somewhere else but three of the teachers had concussions so I just want to tell you this is a ruthless man Putin for him to try to start a war and justify with this makeup created and use little little innocent children in the Russian sexy yet to kill and murder them yep that's who he is he's a bloodthirsty killer unbelievable bomb.
	All right, my dear.
	How are you doing?
	Good, good.
	Good, good.
	Thanks so much.
	All right.
	You're the best.
	Take care.
	God bless.
	See you, Judy.
	Bye.
	90 seconds.
	There's a quick Biden clip I just did of him talking now.
	This is what he's talking about with everything.
	And we're protecting our country's threshold liberty, the sacred right to vote, which I've never seen is under such attack.
	You know, it's always made it harder for blacks to vote, but this is trying to be able to figure out how to keep the black vote when it occurs from even counting.
	That's what he's talking about.
	That's all now?
	That's just now.
	You just got to get to the White House.
	All right, I'm gonna tee that up.
	Okay, uh... Israel here and... Oh, good, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Israel and... That's it, right?
	Yeah, that's it.
	We've got plenty of cuts and the call board's full again.
	Yeah, I get it.
	All right, um... What have we not done?
	Oh, we've got nine...
	The throwback Trump cut.
	Oh, the throwbacks.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, did you do the second throwback?
	It's not done yet.
	I don't know why it's taking forever.
	The timestamp was wrong, but I think I know what you're talking about.
	Oh, can you come in?
	I'm going to do these around a second.
	All right, what do you want to say?
	Come in?
	Hang on.
	No.
	After Israel, I'm going to tee up 12, because 12 is so epic.
	And then I'm going to compare it to the brand new Biden thing that you just played.
	OK?
	Got it.
	Are we calling that 13?
	Yes.
	Cut.
	OK.
	All right.
	10 seconds to go.
	All right.
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	But I have a little reminder.
	I knew he wrote about it in his memoir, but he actually said it on camera.
	This is Robert Gates, who was Secretary of Defense and Director of CIA in the Biden, the Biden, No, the Obama-Biden administration being asked about the acumen, let's put it politely, the foreign policy credentials of sleepy Cut12.
	You said in your memoir, Joe Biden is impossible not to like.
	Quote, he's a man of integrity, incapable of hiding what he really thinks, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to for help in a personal crisis.
	Still, I think he's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.
	Would he be an effective commander-in-chief?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think I stand by that statement.
	Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, did you hear the hesitation there?
	You said he's been wrong on every major foreign policy issue for 40 years.
	Then she asks the natural question, would he make a good commander-in-chief?
	And you said, um, um, um, I don't know.
	My gosh, what a bureaucratic survivor.
	I think we know, don't we?
	Because he's doing it right now.
	As we speak, he just said this as, Civilians are being bombed as Russia puts its nuclear weapons on alert.
	Yes, guys, it's not Dr. G that's actually happened.
	This is what Sleepy Creepy is talking about today.
	And we're protecting our country's threshold liberty, the sacred right to vote, which I've never seen is under such attack.
	You know, it's always made it harder for blacks to vote, but this is trying to be able to figure out how to keep the black vote when it occurs from even counting.
	I have to, I need somebody to back me up.
	Mr. G, producer of our humble radio show, Are you telling me, I went on air in front of our millions of listeners, I want verification.
	War in Europe is happening right now.
	Nuclear weapons are on alert in Moscow.
	And that cut you gave me is from today.
	Yes, that was the first thing he did, and it was a big return back to the White House on Monday afternoon.
	So like minutes ago?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	By the way, I just wanted to confirm because I tweeted it out of the weekend.
	He went to Delaware for the weekend.
	Yeah, he went to Delaware.
	And as we have from very reliable sources, when he's in Delaware, he stares out of the window for hours at a time.
	Yeah.
	You know what I know for a fact?
	For a solid gold, no, solid platinum, solid rhodium fact, solid unobtainium fact.
	Vladimir Putin doesn't go to his doctor at the weekend and stare out the window.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Waiting very patiently in North Carolina.
	David, welcome aboard.
	Well, good to talk to you, sir.
	You were seeking ideas for maybe a t-shirt or a flag or something.
	And the New York Times, I think it was, recently had a column or article sort of mocking that President Zelensky had been a comedian before.
	And so maybe a map of Ukraine with Kiev marked on the map and his face looking eastward and saying, This comedian don't run.
	Ooh, okay.
	These colors don't run.
	Yeah, we, we, I think we need to celebrate.
	Ukrainians.
	And I think this man who, yeah, people say he's an actor.
	He's actually a comedian.
	I posted a video of him doing, you know, the come dancing of Ukraine.
	He's quite, quite a, quite a Terpsichorean individual.
	He knows how to trip the light.
	Fantastic.
	But the bravery he is showing as we Americans are offering him an evacuation.
	He's staying there to fight for his family.
	So, yeah.
	Keep the ideas coming.
	Thank you my friend.
	We want a new product for our website.
	A t-shirt, a flag, a yard sign that we can use to show our support for our Ukrainian fellow, fellow Europeans, Anglo-Saxon, Western civilization members.
	It's not just Slavs, vice, other races.
	It is a member of the Western civilization.
	And of course, we have many, many Ukrainians in this country.
	Let's go to Ken, Arizona.
	Welcome aboard.
	Hello, Sebastian.
	I called because I remember when Russia invaded Afghanistan, and nobody thought the tribesmen could resist the full might of the military.
	When we gave them stingers, the face of the war changed overnight.
	Ukrainians need stingers to neutralize air assets, and they need javelins to neutralize Armour assets.
	I think the face of this war would also change overnight and maybe cause Russia to reevaluate their little adventure.
	Yeah, well, we thank you.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Thank you.
	We gave them javelins.
	The Biden administration gave them blankets.
	Not a joke.
	Look it up.
	It's real.
	When we came into the White House, we provided them lethal aid.
	And of course, javelins are the best thing if you have limited capabilities, if you are in an urban environment, regular warfare and you need to take out armoured assets.
	That's what you need to take out those Russian tanks and armoured personnel carriers.
	So yes, I agree.
	And it would be very, very nice if maybe another NATO nation or maybe a neutral country like Finland thought, huh, If America, at least when we were in the White House, can provide javelins, perhaps we could provide them with surface-to-air capabilities.
	The Stinger is rather old technology today.
	It's, you know, 30, 40 years old.
	The updated version of the Stinger, because yes, you can see it already, they're using relatively slow-moving Rotary wing aircraft, the hip, the hind, and so forth.
	So a very, very significant dent could be made in the Russian invasion, invading forces, if they had a surface-to-air capability.
	Great, great idea.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This is America First coming to you live from the reliefactor.com studios.
	We'll be joined by Victoria Spartz momentarily.
	She is, I think, the only Congresswoman, the only representative in the House who was born in the Soviet Union and is from the Ukraine.
	She'll give us her update.
	I don't even know if she has family there.
	We will ask her.
	This is America First coming to you from just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington, D.C. D.C. D.C. D.C.
	Mic's on.
	So we need to do the cut 11 here.
	Yes.
	Oh yeah, let's roll back.
	Alright.
	Alright, so what about the refugees?
	What about what?
	What about the refugees right now?
	Because they just opened the borders for the refugees.
	Do you think, if I were Russia, I would be sending, trying to get people in there to sow seeds of, you know, chaos in the NATO nation?
	Yes, but it's probably, it's probably, so...
	It's probably difficult, because the border crossings are relatively controlled, and it's like what my dad did in 56.
	He helped identify the bad guys who weren't refugees, right?
	When you've got 500 miles of open border like we have, you can cross anywhere, nobody's checking you, but to try and infiltrate with real Ukrainians, you run a high risk of... Sorry, that guy's accent is a little bit...
	I don't know if he's one of us, you know what I mean?
	And also, the other thing is, it's only women and children.
	There have to be female assets.
	I gotta acknowledge, by the way, a great comment here in the Rumble chat.
	Jay Winkler 80 says, the blankets and pillows will have the vaccines in them this time.
	I'm glad you made that point too, like, you know, defending Ukraine again as part of like, you know, representative of our European heritage.
	Right!
	I think that's so important.
	I made that point too to my friends over the weekend.
	And again, one of them said like, oh, Ukraine's not really European, lol.
	Another one said, oh, by that logic, Russia is also European.
	I'm like, uh, I would like you to go tell a Russian person that they're European.
	Yes, exactly.
	I'm also, I don't know exactly what the populations in these countries are, where they're Loyalties lie.
	You know, like how many Russians are fully backing what's going on right now?
	And like how many, you know, Russian sympathizers are there in certain parts of these countries that could, you know, spark?
	Oh, I mean, there are protests in Russia.
	Oh, yeah.
	And they're all getting arrested.
	Yep.
	That is one point against some other people online like on the right we're making like saying like Retweeting the videos like the people just getting arrested for protesting Russian saying Wow arresting peaceful protesters imagine if that happened here in America or in Canada All right, we've got food for the poor here in Patriot mobile in a minute 20 Was CPAC, yes, was the CPAC speech yesterday?
	No, that was Saturday, right?
	Yours was Saturday, yeah, and the President's was Tuesday.
	Oh, we have to play my speech tomorrow.
	Alright, thanks.
	It was, what, seven minutes, so we can put it in the segment.
	Or do it in like a D. In like an A or B, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Alright, yeah, good call.
	One minute.
	Casio posted it.
	Yeah, it's on Rumble.
	And I posted it on the website.
	50 seconds. 30 seconds.
	Okay.
	Hi, what's your name?
	Wanna come in with anything?
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	Okay, full credit, I said I promised him when he sent me the cut, I'm gonna thank that crazy Irish Basque American.
	Who is he talking about?
	Chris Plant, of course, half Basque, half Irish.
	He played this cut today on his show and I thought, dude, send me that right now.
	This is Donald Trump.
	Not from CPAC, not from when he was in the White House for four years.
	This is Donald John Trump on the Larry King show back in Anno Domini 1987.
	Talking about things in Europe, national security and freeloaders pay cuts.
	Why aren't these countries, these wealthy money machines paying us for the defense of their freedom and their nations?
	Why aren't they paying us?
	I really don't know Larry, this is an issue that's been bothering me, it's been bothering a lot of people that I know, and I think it's an issue that had to be brought out to the floor.
	The concept of America financing and paying and losing lives for countries that won't even allow us to use their ships, and these are the countries that in 24 hours they'd be wiped off the face of the earth if it weren't for America, It's ridiculous.
	He may not have been running for president in the 1980s but he knew and he had a plan and it was true then and it's true now.
	When he was in the White House he got NATO to get serious and now it's going to take a war for that to actually see some true fruition.
	We're going to play more of that amazing interview but let's go back to your calls.
	Dan in California, welcome to America First.
	Sebastian, great to talk to you.
	What a disgusting thing for Biden to open his triumphant return to Washington to slam and slander America with his stupid comment about the United States not allowing blacks to vote.
	What a disgusting animal to do that.
	Well, just wait till tomorrow in his State of the Union.
	And that brings up the question, what should Republicans do while they're sitting in the audience when Joe Biden makes a triumphant entry into the House chamber?
	Please don't stand up, Republicans.
	Yeah, that's a great question.
	Let's ask our biggest troublemaker in the House.
	Where is Eric?
	I've got your six, as always.
	Alright, so what should the GOP, if they actually had a pair, if they had a spine, what should they do yesterday, tomorrow for Biden's State of the Union year?
	Nancy tore up a speech, that's actually illegal, it's a federal document.
	What should the GOP do?
	I would love, this will never happen, but I would love for them to take a page out of the NYPD's playbook, what they did with de Blasio, stand up and turn their backs on him.
	I'd buy that for a dollar.
	Stay on the line, my friend.
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	What's that?
	Mic's on?
	The cream sickle jerseys.
	The buccaneers.
	Oh, they are?
	Yeah.
	Is that a big deal?
	Eh, not really.
	It's an aesthetic choice.
	It is.
	Aesthetic.
	She's calling it, I assume.
	Yeah, it's probably the ugliest jerseys of all time.
	Oh really?
	I think.
	I like them.
	People either like them or love them.
	Yeah, you love them or hate them.
	Love them or hate them, yeah.
	No middle ground.
	Goofy looking.
	Alright.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	Two minutes.
	Let's see.
	Oh, does Dan get anything?
	No.
	Yes.
	He did?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can I hit two?
	Okay.
	Have we played it?
	Oh, can I hit two?
	Two.
	It's time for the president and some of our European partners to quit pussyfooting around.
	The financial sanctions announced last night are riddled with loopholes.
	I know that they say they've sanctioned 80% of the banks in Russia.
	Well, Vladimir Putin controls 100% of the banks in Russia.
	He can use the other 20% to continue to finance his war machine.
	I don't think we've played Cut 9 yet.
	That's one other one from the boss.
	Oh, we haven't.
	Right.
	Will you play 9?
	Their assets and life savings have been frozen.
	They have been slandered as Nazis, racists, and terrorists.
	These are the names they've been called.
	They've been arrested and charged with phony crimes.
	They've been falsely accused of loyalty to foreign powers.
	I watched them.
	I saw those maple leaves all over the flags and the love for their country.
	Plenty of Americans were there, too, and they love our country.
	They're being hunted down like enemies of their own government and treated worse than drug dealers and murderers or rapists.
	A line has been crossed.
	You're either with the peaceful truckers or you are with the left-wing fascists.
	Wow, that's good.
	Yeah, that could just as easily be about the January 6th prisoners.
	Same conversation in Ukraine.
	We went through a lot of custody, yeah.
	I don't suppose you want to dunk on Nance at some point?
	The Malcolm Nance guy?
	I think she's supposedly calling it now.
	Okay.
	15 seconds.
	15 seconds.
	God.
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	war.
	Let's squeeze in one more cut from the President's CPAC speech talking about those brave Freedom Convoy truckers just north of the border.
	Cut nine.
	Play cut.
	Their assets and life savings have been frozen.
	They have been slandered as Nazis, racists and terrorists.
	These are the names they've been called.
	They've been arrested and charged with phony crimes.
	They've been falsely accused of loyalty to foreign powers.
	I watched them.
	I saw those maple leaves all over the flags and the love for their country.
	Plenty of Americans were there, too, and they love our country.
	They're being hunted down like enemies of their own government and treated worse than drug dealers and murderers or rapists.
	A line has been crossed.
	You're either with the peaceful truckers or you are with the left-wing fascists.
	You're either with the peaceful truckers or the left-wing fascists.
	Eric, let's find the full video of the President's speech.
	Let's repost it on our Twitter, Facebook, Truth Social accounts so that those who weren't there at CPAC can watch it because It was three things.
	It was an amazingly rousing speech, especially when discussing Ukraine.
	It was amusing too, especially when he talked about his former White House physician, Ronny Jackson.
	And then lastly, it was really his campaign platform for 2024.
	So, an all-round humdinger, you've got to watch it.
	Now, let's go back to the topic for The rest of the day we're going to be discussing it with Victor Davis Hanson in the third hour.
	It's, of course, the war in Ukraine, in Europe, and we're delighted to welcome back to America somebody born in the Soviet Union from the Ukraine, representing Indiana's 5th Congressional District, Congresswoman Victoria Sparts.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thank you.
	Always a pleasure.
	Congresswoman, first things first, I have to ask you, do you have family in Ukraine?
	If so, are they safe?
	Well, I have my close family here, but I do have some relatives and a lot of people, and there is no one who is safe in Ukraine.
	The situation is very dangerous there.
	You know, they've been shelling all of the cities, and actually the cities I grew up in It's been bombed and shelled for all day, all night, and burning everything, and all villages even around the city, because they know that people don't have bunkers there, don't have basements, and underground places to hide.
	So they've been really, purely killing civilians there.
	Because the city was able to hold the ground now for four days, and it has tanks coming from Belarus.
	And also from Russian borders.
	It's an important strategic city.
	They couldn't take it.
	There are a lot of mines around the city.
	But now they are shelling it non-stop.
	We have lots of contradictory reports about the situation in Ukraine prior to the invasion and since the invasion.
	There are those who say it's a very divided country.
	20% of the population being ethnic Russians.
	Is this a nation divided or will the Ukrainians of all types fight for their liberation?
	Well, let me tell you, my mom's neighbor, her husband is Russian, and all of her children right now are fighting for Ukrainian freedom.
	Wow.
	My grandma, her neighbor, she's from the Far East.
	Her husband was in the military.
	Actually, the city of Chernigov had a lot of retired military from the Soviet Union and Russia who would come and settle.
	That was the place to come.
	You know, and there are a lot of Russians over there, and they're all fighting because it's for their freedoms, for their country.
	It has nothing to do with languages or anything else.
	They don't want to have dictatorship and aggressor and suppression that Russia has.
	They're sick and tired and done with all the Soviet Union, socialism, communism, Marxism.
	They want to be free countries.
	It's nothing to do with languages and anything else.
	It's a pure war of ideas and ideals, and it's a war for freedom.
	It's a war of ideals and it is a war for freedom.
	Follow this lady spartz.house.gov.
	Rep Spartz on Twitter.
	That's S-P-A-R-T-Z.
	We're seeing amazing things occur in just the last 24 hours.
	Congresswoman Spartz We've seen neutral Finland that knows a bit about killing Russians, deciding that despite its neutral status it will be providing arms and munitions to Kiev.
	We've seen the classically, hermetically neutral Switzerland decide to join in the swinging sanctions against Putin and Moscow.
	What is your advice for this administration and do you have any expectations that Biden will do anything meaningful with regards to Russia?
	Well, unfortunately, you know, we can have done much more so the situation wouldn't have escalated to what it is because it's a dangerous situation.
	It's a travesty what's happening there.
	It's very bad.
	I'm glad to see that Europeans start understanding that there is a danger out there, and they need to be strong for their national security, too, and cannot just rely on us.
	I think Trump was pushing on them, and they didn't, you know, want to do it too much.
	Now some of them are appreciative, probably, but I think they need to do more and understand that if you want to have peace and stability, you have to be ready to fight a war.
	And I think the United States needs to have leadership to help Europeans.
	I don't think this President has done a good job, and I try to be not too critical right now, just in the challenging times.
	We're going to look back and look at what's happened before, but right now we need to figure out how to get out of this situation, deescalate, because it's becoming a very, very dangerous situation for the whole of Europe, and everyone understands that.
	And we need to be smart, and we need to be quick.
	And I think it's hard to be quick in democracy.
	It's much easier for a dictator to be quick.
	But we need to get smarter.
	We only have 60 seconds left.
	My last question to you.
	What do you say to our millions of listeners, anybody who may have tuned in, who says, oh, this is 8,000 miles away.
	It doesn't really matter and doesn't make a difference to America, Congresswoman?
	It always matters when you have a nuclear country in a major war.
	It always matters.
	And we always have to be vigilant and be smart and be a strong country because we're a guarantor of stability, but also don't forget, and it's a reminder for us, how hard it is to get your freedoms and rights back after you lose them, and how much bloodshed already been, you know, happened in the last century, and it's happening again.
	I think we have to be smarter as a country and keep our country strong, because when we are strong, the rest of the world is peaceful.
	God bless you, Congresswoman Spatz.
	We are praying for all the freedom-fighting Ukrainians that are now literally in a death match with a former KGB colonel and his militias and his forces.
	I'd like to have you join me for my Newsmax program later this week.
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	Oh, I better.
	Don't leave him hanging.
	Chris sometimes teases something for two and a half hours, and it drives me nuts, and I feel like texting him saying, Chris!
	Tell me the story!
	Nice.
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	Something to start off a great joke.
	Sebastian Gorka, Jim Hansen, and Kurt Schlichter walk into a winery.
	101, what is it?
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	25. 25. 25. 25. 25. 25. 25. 25. 25.
	Thank you.
	I know Sebastian well.
	Listen to him.
	He's with us.
	Because he's tall and handsome.
	You heard what the president said on Saturday.
	It's a good reason.
	We're going to go squeeze in one more call before we go to Victor Davis Hanson for the whole third hour of the show.
	But I teased it and I'm going to keep my promises.
	What happened on CPAC on the last day I was there is Jeff had abandoned me to come back to the swamp.
	I was having a cigar, little old me, just peacefully sitting out there by the pool with Jimbo Jim Hanson and that crazy Colonel Kirchlifter.
	You think Kurt might get into trouble, right?
	No!
	I'm sitting there relaxing and this young guy comes up to me wearing a suit from CPAC, don't know if he's a plant, and I'd just given my speech that day, seven minutes of... well, you know me.
	And he leant down and he said to me, like an inch from my face, If you love America so much, why do you have an accent?
	Not a good move.
	I didn't touch him, but I stood up, all six foot three and 260 pounds, and I said, what did you say?
	And he mumbled something about it's just a joke.
	At which point some other putz from another table said, oh just F off Gawker you're drunk.
	To which I had to go and deal with him half an inch from his face and tell him I haven't had a drink since my parents died 17 years ago.
	And I have to say it was a very good feeling when Kurt Schlichter, Colonel K and former Special Forces Weapons NCO Jimbo Jim Hansen both jumped up and had my back and the problem was solved.
	After which Kurt said to me as we sat back down, I wasn't worried about helping you deck the other two guys.
	I just was worried that I'd have to pull you off them.
	But whatever it was, Kurt, you're a good man.
	Both of you, Jim and Kurt.
	At which point, what was it you told me later, Jeff?
	Kurt texted, no, was it Jim texted you saying you might need to come and help out and you were where?
	Back in Annapolis.
	I'm not happy.
	Back in the swamp.
	Missing all the fun!
	That's why he was unhappy.
	Okay, that's the story I promised.
	Thank you, Jim.
	Thank you, Kurt.
	You are menches.
	You are men amongst men.
	Let's go to Joe Illinois.
	Welcome, Joe.
	Back in G. Yeah.
	Trump is our boss.
	And if he was in charge, This would not be happening.
	It wouldn't have happened.
	We wouldn't have had the surrender in Afghanistan and we wouldn't have the invasion of Ukraine.
	He's crazy, this communist dictator.
	And it's not against the people of Russia.
	It's against him who thinks he's going to take back You're totally right.
	Let's be clear here.
	This isn't about the benighted Russian people.
	It's about that thug and killer Putin.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Next for the whole hour, Victor Davis Hanson.
	The End
	The End Russia will have far greater respect for our country when I'm leading it.
	And I believe, and I hope, maybe it won't happen, it's possible, but I won't be given a little reset button like Hillary.
	Here, press this piece of plastic.
	Guy looked at her like, what is she doing?
	There's no reset button.
	We're either gonna get along, or we're not.
	I hope we get along, but if we don't, that's possible too.
	I hope we get along.
	Maybe we won't.
	And if that's the case, so be it.
	I think that is the quintessence of realpolitik that was President-elect Trump in Trump Tower, his last press conference in Trump Tower, as he was handing his businesses over to his family and with a statement of, What will happen with Russia-U.S.
	relations?
	Well, that reality or that reality-based approach is out of the window.
	Let's examine that and so much more with our regular guest, close friend of the show.
	He is Victor Davis Hanson, classicist of world-renowned author of The Case for Trump and The Dying Citizen most recently.
	Professor Hanson, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you for having me.
	We have to talk about the The change in approach between the two administrations, not just to Russia, but also to NATO.
	But first, can I tease you out on what a problem I have with my fellow conservatives, some of whose shows you are on quite regularly as well.
	Who are saying, well, Ukraine doesn't matter, it's an irrelevance, the southern border is far more important, or what's happening in Canada.
	Shouldn't Conservatives be able to chew gum and walk at the same time?
	And isn't it axiomatic that whilst what's happening in Canada is very problematic, whilst we have to secure the southern border, A nuclear-armed bully doing the things he does in his neighboring region eventually is not good for Americans either.
	Please give us your analysis.
	Oh yeah, I agree with that.
	I think maybe that's why on a couple of shows I've been on there less regularly than usual, because Vladimir Putin wants to restore, it's kind of a trite thing to say, but it's true, the old borders of the Soviet Union.
	And he can't do it, Seb, because he's got a hundred million people fewer, and he lost about 30% of his territory, some of them richest of all.
	So he has to be predatory and opportunistic against his neighbors.
	So that's a constant.
	And so we can deter him.
	I mean, NATO has a billion people.
	It's got an economy eight times larger than Russia.
	But He is, he seeks weakness.
	And when certain occasions happen, when we were bogged down in Iraq, when we were having economic problems, when the price of oil skyrocketed in 2008, he went into Georgia.
	And in 2014, no need to go through that again.
	But when Obama said, give me some space, it's my last election.
	And I'll, you know, I'll be flexible in missile defense.
	We invited them into the Middle East for the first time.
	In 40 years, or he told the Russians, he assured them he wouldn't sell offensive weaponry to Ukraine.
	And then he, at the same time trashed Putin by saying, Russians can't do anything.
	They're inept.
	And Biden took up that, that narrative when he, you know, was called Putin a killer and all of this may be true, but he was weak.
	So he'd said, if you're going to hack here, 16 entities that you shouldn't hack.
	Or, you know, look at what happened in Afghanistan or when he kept saying, well, maybe there'll be a minor invasion.
	So there's a certain rules and that is when NATO pays their fair share in Germany and Turkey are not freelancing and more favorable to Russia than they are with us.
	When a president is quiet.
	With a big club rather than loud with a twig and when oil prices are moderate then Putin is not able to go Threaten his neighbors when that just dissipates he pounces.
	So yeah, I think that it's in our interest to Tell NATO that we're a partner but they have to be a partner with us and tell the Germans you cannot build a on the one hand a Pipeline with Russia and that on the other hand not expect them to manipulate NATO same goes for Turkey We've got a pump oil.
	That's very important.
	We're down almost 3 million barrels from where we were just 12 13 months ago and we had so we have a proven calculus how to deter this guy and Trump pretty much did it despite the Russian collusion hoax and this this Alpha banks to all of that stuff.
	He was still able to tell Putin that Don't go into Ukraine.
	And he proved that by killing Russian mercenaries in Syria, by getting out of an asymmetrical missile deal, by upping the sanctions, by selling offensive weaponry to Ukraine, to lamenting the fact and re-exploring the fact that we might want to have missile defense back into Europe that Obama had dismissed.
	So he did a lot of concrete things that impressed Putin.
	And Putin is an opportunistic autocrat dictator.
	And so weakness is not considered magnanimity by him to be reciprocated.
	But it's seen as something to be manipulated.
	Now to exploit.
	Let me also ask you to react to, you know, I'm sure just as I have been asked many times in the last few days.
	So what would you do if you were advising this administration?
	And it's a kind of Thucydides trap, it's kind of a catch-22.
	If we had, you know, given the weakness demonstrated in the last year, there is very little that can be done to extricate oneself short of replacing the Commander-in-Chief with somebody who has credibility.
	So it's hard to change the ingredients in the cake once the cake has come out of the oven, is it not?
	Yeah, it is.
	I mean, if you had asked me this question in January 20th, I would have said up the 13 million barrels to 15 million barrels and crash that price.
	So he has no wherewithal and we don't, we're more independent and we're, we could ship, you know, liquefied natural gas to Europe and they wouldn't have to go through with this pipeline.
	And then I would have said, uh, continue the Trump pressure for these countries to up Uh, their military contributions, I would have said to Ukraine, what are the offensive weapons, offensive, not defensive, offensive weapons that you need?
	And here they are, but we're not there now.
	And so now, uh, he's flush with cash, Putin, the sanctions won't immediately hurt him.
	And he's made a cost of benefit analysis that the Biden administration either won't react or will react very weakly.
	And we have no pressure points under Biden.
	If we had a different administration, we could have always triangulated with the Chinese.
	We did this with the Russians.
	We did this with the Chinese.
	They were both enemies.
	They're both enemies now, but we had a rule that neither one of them would be closer to each other than they were to each of us.
	And we lost that through the collusion hoax.
	So I would have done that as well.
	And we're good.
	Unless you're going to get involved there, I don't see militarily how the United States can deter him, other than to give intelligence, satellite photos, weapons, to see if the Ukraine government will fight.
	Another thing we haven't talked about, Seb, I think it's kind of the elephant in the room.
	The Ukrainians, who I think deserve our sympathy, nevertheless made a strategic error when they decided to interfere in the politics of the United States.
	They started during the Obama administration by essentially buying off the Biden consortium and investing in it.
	And then when they started fooling around with this prosecutor and that prosecutor that would be tough and then appease Hunter Biden.
	And then we had Mr. Vindman, who was responsible, if you think about it, with his testimony and his collusion with Adam Schiff and the whistleblower in the first Trump impeachment.
	And remember, The Ukrainians apparently, he said under oath, offered him the Ministry of Defense position.
	Twice.
	Not just once, but twice.
	Yeah, three times.
	Yeah, and that hurt Ukraine and the United States.
	So there were a lot of people who said, you know, why do we want to go over there and defend a dictatorship that has been so deleterious in its machinations?
	I happen to believe that Ukraine is a corrupt But there's a difference between Ukraine and Russia.
	I don't think the Ukrainians kill people, their own people.
	And I don't think there are levels of dictatorship and autocracy and corruption.
	And in that area of the world, Putin surpasses everyone.
	And just to be blunt, whether or not the political culture in Ukraine is sophisticated or corrupt, there's...
	The fact is breaking the taboo on the Eurasian continent of redrawing borders through the use of force isn't good by in and of itself.
	We're talking to Victor Davis Hanson, Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute.
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	And just out of the blue we were watching the news and my wife said, a former Trump appointee in the Department of Homeland Security said, you know the trouble with what's happening in Europe, nobody will do anything because nobody can do anything.
	Given what's happened to Germany, given that Gerhard Schröder left the chancellery to become the president or the senior vice president of Gazprom after he was running Germany, given the intertwined fact that the environmentalists who are running the German Ministry of Energy have shut down 50% of the nuclear power plants, with the rest of the nuclear power plants to be shut down by the end of the calendar year,
	He may have a GDP smaller than California's, but this former KGB colonel has really created a situation whereby, without American leadership, Europe is defenseless to his blackmail.
	Is that a harsh assessment?
	Yeah, I think it is.
	It's true.
	Germany with 81 million people and Turkey with 85 million are the two largest NATO powers.
	Turkey has The largest army and Germany has the largest economy.
	So NATO doesn't exist very well without the United States, but also without the engagement of those two countries.
	The problem is, if you look at a Pew International poll, and there was one last year, and the Germans were asking, you have a more favorable opinion.
	Essentially, that was the question.
	Do you want to engage more with the Americans or more with the Russians?
	It was clear they wanted to engage more with the Russians.
	And the case of asking the Turkish people, do you have a positive or negative view of America?
	And most of them were negative, about 60%.
	And this predated and intensified, but did predate Donald Trump.
	So your point is right.
	It's very hard to work with 30 nations when by far the two most powerful
	Are ambiguous about Russia, Russia's role in that part of the world, whether they would, uh, if Russia goes, put it this way, and this is kind of a perverse thing to say, but if Ukraine was a member of NATO, you and I would be talking about the destruction of NATO because he would go in, I think more readily because on the supposition that somebody in Amsterdam or somebody in
	Barcelona or somebody in Ankara just wouldn't want to go die for Ukraine, even though they were obligated to as a NATO member.
	And that's something that I don't quite understand.
	I understand you don't want to make concessions to this thuggish Putin under pressure, but I don't understand why you would want to make Ukraine a member of NATO, because that would be the really the first Soviet Republic
	That we did that and I'm not sure unless you could, I think if you felt the pulse of the members, it would be very hard to find a consensus that if they were members of NATO, Ukraine and the present NATO membership, they would be willing to go on the ground and fight Russia for a free Ukraine and that would destroy NATO.
	And so I'm not sure why in the past we have pressure, pressure, pressure, uh, Uh, that Ukraine will eventually be a member of NATO.
	NATO is kind of a construct.
	It only exists to the extent that every single member will come to the aid of an endangered country.
	And there's too many people in NATO now that wouldn't in general.
	And in particular with Ukraine, they surely wouldn't.
	And that's our problem.
	And when you have a weak America, that's terrified of high energy prices and deliberately shuts down 3 million barrels of oil production.
	And it's under Biden who's cognitively challenged.
	You don't have anybody coming in to fill that European vacuum.
	But Putin would not even try it if he knew that Germany and the Turkish army and the United States were powerful and warned him off, even if it wasn't a NATO member.
	But that's not the case.
	And let's try and posit what it is he's trying to achieve because the facts of the matter are clear.
	This is a nation that is in a demographic tailspin.
	They have an economy which is tiny by comparison to the Soviet Union.
	Yes, they have nuclear capabilities.
	But is it fair to say that He can't physically recreate the Soviet Union, but what he wishes to have is a political de facto veto power over his, what he calls derogatory, his near abroad.
	He wants to make sure that nothing happens on his western border without his agreement.
	Is that what he's playing for?
	I think it is.
	I think he feels that, as you point out, When his population is not 285 million, but 140 million, and the present Russia is about 68% of what the Soviet Union was, that he doesn't have the wherewithal to become a huge power like China or the United States.
	That said, he's afraid that the Baltic States or Ukraine or Belarus or any of these countries are going to be westernized because of the greater economic and cultural dynamism of the West.
	And that border then, that It gets closer to him, the West de facto.
	And when it gets to Eastern Ukraine, or it gets right where the Baltic states are, then you're really near major Russian centers of power.
	And he feels that, my gosh, maybe St.
	Petersburg will become like Amsterdam.
	Maybe Kiev is already becoming a Western city and maybe that will get closer and closer.
	And eventually the people will throw me out.
	Because I represent a reactionary, you know, and if he was smart, he would start to pivot, uh, toward sort of a constitutional system.
	Then he could pose as a Victor Orban.
	I mean, not that he's like Victor Orban, but he could at least have elections and he could pose as a conservative or something, but he won't do that.
	He can't, he's incapable because he's a dictatorship, but that's.
	That is his only way out, is to have a constitutional system in which he would represent conservative forces, but I don't think that's going to happen.
	And now he's worried that Westernization is starting to, by osmosis, get closer and closer to these former republics.
	And given the limitations on his military power, do we expect him just to create another frozen conflict zone like South Ossetia or Transnistria?
	Is that because he's not going to take all of Ukraine or is that the expectation?
	I think what he does is he he's sort of like a guy with a hammer and an eggshell and he just moves up these troops and he puts them in the half circle semi circle around Ukraine.
	It's like hitting them.
	And he doesn't know where the fissure will break.
	He doesn't know if tomorrow the Germans will say, we're sorry, we need this gas.
	It's winter time.
	Or he won't know whether the Turks say, let's cut a side deal or whether Joe Biden just says something outrageous and which he has been doing, but Biden can say anything to anybody.
	And he, so he doesn't know, but he knows that in a cost benefit analysis, massing those troops is, On his own territory is not that expensive compared to NATO, uh, mobilizing or us sending stuff over or getting the Ukrainians in a state of hysteria.
	He doesn't know the effect on the Ukrainians.
	They talk very tough, but he may find that a lot of them are not, the rhetoric's not matched.
	So he's just waiting.
	And I don't know how long he did tends to rank, you know, ratchet up the pressure.
	It might be another month, six months, who knows.
	But if, if he finds it's opportunistically in his favor.
	Yes, he will go in, and even if he doesn't go in, and he gets concessions, he'll probably apply the same formula in a year or two somewhere else.
	Yeah, it's a classic tactic.
	Press the bayonet until it hits metal.
	If it hits flesh, keep on pressing.
	Classic, classic Soviet approach.
	Professor Hanson, Just last week on Wednesday we had CBS News write the following headline, which I thought it couldn't get much worse than it had under the Trump era.
	The US economy has been hit with increased gas prices, inflation and supply chain issues Due to the Ukraine crisis, this is a headline that came three days after the Russian troops went into those two breakaway republics.
	I don't know where to begin.
	Is there any hope for the mainstream media, Professor Hanson?
	No, none at all.
	They know that if Joe Biden had not cut, if we were back up to nearly 13 million barrels of oil, rather than nine point something, And if we were back up to another 20% of natural gas production, the world price might be higher because of the increased demand after the lockdowns, but we wouldn't have these crushing prices here in the United States.
	They know that.
	And they know that the supply chain issue is partly global, but in particular, when you have mandates and lockdowns in places like the port of Los Angeles, you're just not going to have an efficient operation.
	And they know that printing money, I mean, inflation essentially is a monetary problem.
	And when you printed or at least scheduled to print $5 trillion and you don't have an increase in productivity or an increase in population, and we don't, then those many dollars are chasing too few goods and prices rise.
	Yeah, it's truly incredible, absolutely incredible.
	When it comes to those who enjoy the patronage of the mainstream media, Matthew Dowd, former Democrat lieutenant governor, then Alexandra Shalyupa, who was the Ukrainian-American who went to the Ukrainian embassy to drum up dirt on candidate Trump.
	When you have both these people tweet just a few days ago, calling for the targeting of conservatives, Chalupa calling for the arrest of members of the Freedom Caucus.
	Are these just fringe extremists or are these individuals who are increasingly representing, sadly, the Democrat Party?
	Well, what the Democrats do is they get marginalized people that have some prior luster, but are in decline career wise or intellectually wise or have no credibility or kind of loud.
	And then they use them as sort of suicide drones.
	They unleash them.
	And their role is to make something insane acceptable.
	It's to lower the bar of the believability.
	So that's what they do.
	So these are the commandos of the overturned window for the left?
	Yeah, I mean, the right, it's a political attack.
	I think in the next Uh, Siri, somebody like Chris Christie, who is not a viable political candidate.
	He will be unleashed against Donald Trump and his job will be to inflict blood on Trump.
	And then he will think that he's going to be rewarded with, if Trump should fail, they all do that.
	But right now it's the left is doing that.
	And I don't think it's, it's very credible at all.
	I mean, one of the reasons we haven't even talked about this, but one of the reasons that we're in this situation is.
	Hillary Clinton spent millions of dollars through three paywalls and created this dossier that at first perplexed the Russians because I think they wanted Hillary Clinton to be president for obvious reasons, not Donald Trump for obvious reasons.
	And yet they, as we know from John Brennan's remarks about the briefing to Obama, they were kind of mystified.
	So was Brennan.
	He said, you know, the Russians are kind of mystified that They're cast as, uh, as trying to hurt Trump and they don't know why Hillary Clinton is doing this.
	And she was using, you know, people, bookings and, and former Clintonites in Moscow.
	But then, then the $22 million Mueller waste of time and money.
	And all of a sudden the popular culture where every time you turned on a Hollywood movie, the villain was some white guy with a Russian accent.
	Covered with orthodox cross tattoos.
	We never differentiated between Putin and Russia.
	So we went on and then the Alfa Bank thing that's coming to light.
	We came to the point where the word Russia, it was very McCarthyite.
	We really demonized the Russian people and the country of Russia.
	And I think that Putin, who is not always stable, very emotional.
	He tried to whip up anti-American counter fervor by saying these people hate you.
	And I think that's the left's paranoia and lies and construct of a Russian collusion.
	That hoax, it really did a lot of damage in a strategic sense.
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	You one of your most recent two-part articles professor on your website is called the most dangerous people in America and you have a photograph or your editor put a photograph of the the Obamas along with Justin Trudeau so let us let us talk about events north of the border and please
	Here I ask for your assistance as somebody who is the child of those who actually suffered under fascist dictatorship as children and then who were persecuted under communist dictatorship, my father being arrested and tortured and imprisoned by the communist regime in Hungary.
	I bristle a little.
	When my fellow Conservative broadcasters talk about the dictator Trudeau, but nevertheless, when I look at the actions of his police, of his finance minister, now using terrorism financing tools to target people who made donations to truck drivers who just want to do their jobs, what is the best way to understand what is, because it's moving right now, it's a moving target, what is happening in Canada?
	Well, I just start by saying, I think you're correct.
	I kind of draw a line when people on the right say that this guy is Hitler or Stalin because he's not killing people.
	We've got to remember that Hitler and Stalin came to power and maintained power and perpetuated their power by killing people.
	So does Putin.
	He doesn't do that.
	I don't know what his motives are, but I don't think he would do that.
	But he is systemically and systematically destroying not only Canadian law in the sense of what people expect, but customs and traditions of a free society that when you give money to a peaceful, largely peaceful protest, you're not ruined for that fact.
	And he's doing that because he feels that Canada is moving in a woke direction, that it's going to be something that it's getting away from its earlier British orientated and French orientated European Genesis, that it's cosmopolitan, it's globalist, and that he is a representation of that.
	And these truckers represents, even though they're multiracial, they're multiethnic, he wants to brand them as confederates, Nazis, racist, Trump supporters.
	And he's not very popular in Canada.
	And he sees this as an issue, and especially because The complaint against him, both in Canada and the United States, is he's a pajama boy.
	He's a pompadour hair guy.
	He's weak.
	He's effeminate almost.
	And he wants to show the world that he's tough and that he can do something that no Canadian prime minister did in recent times.
	I think he's really errored because I think the truckers, even if they're not successful in this particular protest, They had science on their side.
	I mean, the Omicron variant seems to be waning.
	The mandates should have been taken off.
	They were making a point about the vaccination is not an ironclad proof.
	90% of them were vaccinated.
	They had the science and they had the traditions of government, of Canadian protests, peaceful largely.
	And he was not on the side of He was not on the sides of custom and tradition.
	And even if he survives this politically, it's sort of like that guy who lit himself up in Tunisia during the Arab Spring or Tank Man in Tenement Square.
	They send out ripples that really start to worry the establishment.
	I think that Canada is much weaker now.
	And I think he also got a lot of inspiration from the reaction on January 6th, when the, when the Biden government went after people, put them in solitary confinement, tried to ruin them financially, didn't really charge them with anything for a while, and then demonize them in the media, unleash the FBI, et cetera, et cetera.
	And that's what he's trying to do.
	He thought that was very successful and he would like to do it in Canada.
	And the fact that the majority of the Parliament actually backed him up when it came to the Emergency Powers Act, did that surprise you?
	Not at the beginning, because I think they waited until there was some kind of general apprehension that, you know, I can't get to work or I went to the grocery store and there was a supply chain issue.
	They said, these are the sinews of Canada that these anarchists are trying to destroy.
	And if you think about it, it was a two-edged sword because whereas BLM and he was bragging that he'd gone to a BLM, uh, March and now here in the United States, they did $2 billion worth of damage, but for all of their thuggery and violence and murdering and killing, they did, they were not the type of people that could shut down an economy.
	Because they were largely young kids and unemployed.
	But the truckers were a different story.
	Because they were, on the one hand, much more peaceful and law-abiding, but also much more dangerous, because had they wanted to, they could shut down any country.
	And I think that scared the people in Parliament.
	Is the Second Amendment that we have here in shredding the Constitution, is that our final guarantee of similar events not happening here in America?
	I think some of the founders thought that.
	I mean, there were discussions around the Federalist Papers.
	I can't recall who said it, but a number have actually said, if you have a second amendment, you don't need the rest of the amendments because the people are armed and they will demand their custom and natural freedoms.
	You can spell them out, but without a second amendment, they have no way to enforce it.
	And that's something that I think Separate everybody understands that and if you read the Second Amendment carefully and the environment about which it arose It wasn't as the left says it was about the idea that The people would have access to weapons of the day and it wasn't just flintlocks it was the idea that flintlocks were the best weapons of the day and they would go out and purchase weapons and
	And within limits, you know, if you want to get an AR-15 that there's, that's consistent with the environment that created the second amendment.
	And it does, it does prove a deterrent.
	It does that you have, you know, search and seizure, et cetera, et cetera.
	And I think I don't like, you know, getting in big trouble for saying that, but one of the reasons that government agents are a little bit wary of breaking into your home.
	Or getting the wrong home as they don't know what they would encounter when you have a society where everybody is disarmed.
	They tend to abuse that power if they think it's in their masters or their government's interest.
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	I wish we had another hour to discuss these issues, but I'm just going to leave it to one question, Professor Hanson, because you have been such an outspoken commentator on these issues as well.
	Friday before last, Super Bowl Friday, it was an innocuous, ostensibly an innocuous sounding, memo to the court on a potential conflict of interest.
	But if you read the latest Durham document investigating the genesis of the Russia collusion hoax, you find on page two this stunning, stunning list of targets that the
	Hillary campaign's lawyer, hand-in-hand with a cyber executive called Rodney Joffe, had made for themselves, including President Trump's apartment in New York, Trump Tower, the headquarters of his campaign, and then the EOP, the Executive Office of the President, and in the next sentence, the real bombshell that most people have missed,
	Based upon, quote, a sensitive arrangement that private company had to run internet services for the classified system in the White House.
	For me, that's not a bombshell, Professor Hanson.
	That is a thermonuclear device that has been triggered.
	Will this lead to anything?
	Having observed his filings to date, are you optimistic when it comes to Durham's work?
	Or is this just another minor official who may be in trouble, as was the case with a former FBI lawyer?
	Well, I think he has billing records that people under accusation or indictment, like Mr. Sussman, maybe even Mark Elias, were either cognizant of or actually participated in.
	Billing people with the word Alpha Bank.
	So there was a sense that he has some written evidence and I think he'll work down the chain.
	He'll call in various people and he'll say, this is what you did and you want to talk to us or not and see if anybody talks.
	But what was really scary about that was that not only did these group of people have access to these communications, but they brought in people from Georgia Tech Yes.
	the intent to find out if there was any incriminating dirt.
	The other techies found out and apparently knew that there was a one-way communication from Alpha Bank, and they were very skeptical that Trump's people even knew what their domain was.
	It was an outside advertiser that had just used it, and the Alpha Bank was communicating and advertising or vice versa, but it was not a two-way communication, and they knew that, and yet they had so much confidence in the corruption of the FBI that they deliberately went to the intelligence and and yet they had so much confidence in the corruption of the FBI that they deliberately went to the intelligence and investigatory agencies and said, "Look, you should be investigating with the sole purpose not that there was anything new," and they knew there
	The FBI is actually investigating a link with the alpha bank and Russian collusion.
	So if that is true, and that's, I think the intent of what Mr. Durham is saying, then it's pretty scary that it's not just.
	That people have access to the president's private data and communications, but the media, the Hillary campaign had such confidence in the corruption of our own investigatory agencies that they would help spread that what they knew or they must have known was untrue, but would spread it before the election and during the transition and presidency.
	And let's put it in historic context, the recent Durham document which speaks of access for a private company to the classified White House systems, individuals who are related to the smear campaign against President Trump.
	Can you compare that to the significance of the bungled burglary under Watergate?
	Are these in different categories?
	Well, there's no comparison because this is Nobody ever said that anybody got control of the entire communications data of their opponents.
	Richard Nixon tried to corrupt, maybe, in the sense of the narrow cover-up, FBI and IRS, and he was rebuffed for it.
	But these people had confidence that they could persuade the FBI, and then they also had confidence that the media, as we know it, And think about it.
	If you look at the incestuousness of the New York-Washington nexus, we're talking about people whose Ben Rhodes, whose brother was the president of CBS, or an anchor woman who's married to somebody else in the FBI, or Andrew McCabe's wife running for office while she gets Clinton-related PAC money.
	And they understood that those relationships, the Nellie-ors, the Bruce-ors, the DOJ-ors, They were such that they could manipulate them and it wouldn't, and we, the people would be unaware of that.
	So no, it was nothing like Watergate.
	It was much worse.
	And, uh, the difference with Watergate though is, I mean, there were conservative people that said, we don't know quite what Nixon did, but he probably was not honest and therefore we're going to try to force him to resign.
	But there's nobody on the left, none, none that have That have stood up and said, what this shows is a corruption, a complete corruption of Hillary Clinton and the FBI and the DNC and the Obama administration.
	No one has said that.
	There's no, there's no shame on the part of the left.
	There were people in conservatives that got angry at Barry Goldwater called Richard Nixon up and chewed him out.
	But nobody's doing that to these people.
	They feel that this is just an effective means that's justified by the extraordinarily morally superior agendas and ends that they all share.
	And given that in two years only one minor official, FBI lawyer Cline Smith, has been arrested, indicted, given a slap on the wrist, did some community service, and now has already been reinstated to the district bar, do you have any faith that this will actually lead not just along the chain, but actually to some higher-ups getting in judicial trouble?
	Not unless they can pressure them enough to turn state's evidence.
	But I do think, I'll just end with this, that there's a great debate in the Republican Party.
	If they take the House and the Senate, or even a majority, a super majority in the Senate, do you embrace the Sermon on the Mount and say, let's just, we're sick of all this.
	We have an agenda.
	We want to move on.
	Or do you say, you know what, they're never going to quit.
	Look at what they've been doing.
	Therefore, We're going to strip some of these people of committee assignments the way they did.
	Not that we want to, but they will not ever stop unless they understand that maybe Adam Schiff should be off the intelligence committee, just like they purged the people on January 6th committee.
	Maybe they're going to be people to float the idea.
	Well, maybe we should talk about ending the filibuster if we don't have a super majority.
	And they're going to, I think you're going to have a lot of investigatory committees.
	And a lot of people are saying the left will never stop unless they're forced to stop.
	That'll be a great debate to see whether they'll be retaliatory or they'll just sort of, you know, Marcus of Queensbury rules.
	Let's move on.
	His website is VictorHansen.com.
	You can follow him on VD Hansen on Twitter, and he is the co-host of Scholars in Sense, the podcast, and the latest book is The Dying Citizen.

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