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March 1, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Will Putin use nukes?
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Welcome, dear friends.
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
I'm sure you're as excited as I am.
Which means not at all for the State of the Union address in six hours time here in the nation's capital.
The Humvees, the National Guard, not from Florida by the way, have been deployed because I guess you need them when Washington D.C.
is a ghost town.
What is he going to say?
Is he going to be as reassuring as what he said at some event?
Was this yesterday about nuclear war?
When was that, Jeff?
Yesterday.
Yesterday.
He was asked a rather important question and gave a long, very meaty answer in response.
This is Sleepy Creepy on World War 3, Cut 7.
Mr. President, should Americans be worried about nuclear war?
No.
Well, there you have it.
There you have it.
No, there will be no nuclear war because Who knows?
Who knows?
Okay, much has been made of the nuclear threat alert being raised in Russia.
I want to dedicate at least the opening of this show to try and understand who we are facing.
And I say we because I mean it.
Vladimir Putin hates us.
And he might want to go to war with us.
But he definitely wants to weaken us.
And we are strengthening him every single day by buying his oil and his gas.
In the last 13 months, since that senile corrupt old man became president, we have doubled, yes, doubled the amount of crude oil we are buying from Russia.
Canada!
Just declared under Trudeau.
I find this stunning.
Justin Trudeau has just banned Canada from buying Russian oil.
But we are going to continue to do it.
Why?
Because Hunter Biden?
Burisma?
Three and a half million dollars from the wife of the corrupt mayor of Moscow?
Could these be the reasons?
We shall see.
But let's talk about the situation we find ourselves in.
And we're going to walk and chew gum at the same time.
We can have an open border, we can have inflation, and we can have all kinds of internal threats, but at the same time have to deal with what's happening in Europe.
I'm hearing far too often, it's interesting, I don't know if It's a function of some talking points sent out by the mainstream media.
But there's a narrative that Vladimir Putin might be going insane.
That he's got psychiatric issues because he's considering nuclear war.
Well, first things first, nuclear weapons are always, always very sensitive.
Because they're nuclear weapons!
You don't just put a padlock on them and walk away, so the idea that they're not in some heightened level of protection is of course asinine.
But the largest problem we face in divining the reality of what's happening on the ground.
And I understand that there's a lot of propaganda out there.
By the way, please, I know I was born in Europe, but the way that Europeans write the date is different from the way they write it.
What is the numerical date right now?
Give it to me in figures, John, as an American.
How'd you write today's date?
3-1-22.
Yeah.
0301-22.
0-3-0-1-22.
Yeah.
0301-22.
How do they do it in Europe, John?
They put the date, month, and then year.
Yeah, they put the day of the month and then the year.
So when we see the images, horrific images of a cruise missile attack in Kiev, sorry, in Kharkiv, the second biggest city in Ukraine last night, I mean, just a massive building on Freedom Square,
vaporized in a fireball and you can see it on the cctv footage and people saw that it said 0103 22 and they say it's fake it's a lie that happened in january well first things first if it happened in january anywhere you think it would have been the news if a massive building was vaporized in a fireball somewhere in europe because it's a classicist architecture
Do you think it may have made the news two months ago?
If it didn't, how about the second explanation?
Do you remember VCRs?
How many of the people listening to this show had a VCR where the clock didn't show the right date?
I know mine didn't, okay?
So maybe the date was wrong on the TV monitor.
Or how about this one?
Get out of your paranoid delusions and ask yourself, maybe they write the date differently in Europe.
Maybe it's not 0301.
Maybe it's 0103.
0301.
Maybe it's 0103.
So, let's move on, shall we?
Who is Vladimir Putin?
Is he insane?
Is he going to trigger World War 3?
I doubt it.
Because we just have to stop mirror imaging.
I fought this for over a decade.
After September the 11th, this was the greatest weakness we had as a nation.
It wasn't taking our shoes off getting on planes.
It was our inability to understand that other people think differently.
Do you remember that was it the front cover of Newsweek or Time after 9-11?
Why do they hate us so much?
Stop thinking like everybody else in the world thinks like you do.
Vladimir Putin isn't crazy.
He isn't illogical.
He isn't irrational.
He has his own logic.
That Russia must be great again.
That he must prove to the Russian people that he is as ruthless as Peter the Great.
That he is as ruthless as the most bloodthirsty of Tsars, which makes him, quote-unquote, a great man.
It's not our logic.
You don't get praised in America for being bloodthirsty.
In fact, you lose wars if you are deemed to be overtly cruel.
If you're a general, you get fired for being overtly cruel in Western civilization.
Not in Russia.
Not in countries that value thuggery or are run on the principles of fear.
So before we jump to the he's just nuts meme, understand who he has always been.
Has he been vicious before?
Yeah.
Did he blow up his own tower block in Moscow to justify the Chechen war?
Yeah, we pretty much know that as a fact.
Has he had journalists, young female journalists, gunned down literally on the doorstep of their apartment in Moscow because they were investigating him?
Yes, that's what he does.
So when he drops a cruise missile on a civilian target called Freedom Square, why do we go, huh, so strange?
Is he crazy?
No, that's his modus operandi.
That's who he is.
It's time to go back to the history books.
Time to stop believing in rainbows and unicorns.
You don't have to be cynical, you just have to have a sense of history and be pragmatic.
He's a murderer, he's a thug, and he wants to be the great man of Russia.
Which means...
A lot of civilians are going to die.
But so are a lot of Russians at the hands of Ukrainians.
I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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Go one and two.
One and two.
The most infuriating talking point of all is this insane lie he continues to peddle that no one was harder on Putin than him.
No one was harder for Putin than him.
Let's put it that way.
But this is a tough one.
For Donald Trump, because if Biden's sanctions work and Russia runs out of money in 2024, there'll be no one to fund his campaign.
He sees this whole thing.
He doesn't care about Ukrainian people.
He's decided to make this war about Donald Trump.
I don't know about you, but I am not particularly interested in hearing Captain Bone's first thoughts on war when his only military credentials are leading an attack on his own vice president at the Capitol.
But there is a war going on.
You'd think we'd all be on the same page.
Be an American for one minute and shut up.
I'm sorry, did I miss Biden going to Vietnam?
I was just gonna say that, yeah.
Why is he still talking about him over and over?
It's been over a year since he's left.
Is that supposed to be comedy, by the way?
Yeah, give me four and five.
Well, I don't think it's a Pipe dream, Sean.
I mean, as I just outlined, some of his closest friends and confidants' inner circle, he's now starting to treat differently, which indicates they see that he's acting differently.
And this is what happens to autocrats and dictators over time.
They get isolated.
They get more paranoid.
They become less trustworthy, and the more isolated they become, the more dangerous they become.
But the people around them see that, and often that's the devolution of dictators, and in the end, what you hope in a country like Russia, Greg Price, who's that?
Daily Caller, right?
the stakes are that his military and intelligence folks would get together if in fact he is, you know, acting this erratically and they are concerned and we could see, you know, a change.
No, no.
That's something that would be good for the world.
All right.
I got a caller up now on Skype.
Greg Price.
Who's that?
Oh, yeah.
Daily caller, right?
No, no.
Hello, Senator Blackburn.
Can you hear us?
I've got you.
Alright, we've got you.
Just letting you know, the mics are live on our video streams at this time.
Awesome, thank you.
And we have the picture, there we go.
Senator, welcome back!
Thank you!
You look very busy.
Oh, it's State of the Union Day.
We will start with that.
Okay.
Okay, we've got just over a minute here and we've got Israel.
Wanna come in with any cuts?
No, I'm just gonna do Israel and then go straight to the Senator.
Got it.
Okay, one minute.
Alrighty.
Standing... Standing by.
You got a title in mind for the monologue?
Um... Putin's Not Insane or something like that?
Yes.
That's good.
Alright.
This is not insane.
Alrighty.
35 seconds.
35 seconds.
Okay.
Alright, 20 seconds.
Stand back.
Stand back.
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Welcome back to America First.
Good to be with you.
Thank you so much.
So we have to broach the subject.
I want to talk to you about Ukraine, the state of the nation back home.
But let's talk about what you expect from the address to the people of the United States from the current incumbent of the White House tonight at 9pm Eastern.
Washington is a ghost town.
The Humvees have been deployed.
Is it going to be the same old, same old gaslighting, lying about the economy, lying about the nation?
Or are we going to finally hear some truth from Joe Biden?
We would all hope to hear truth, but my concern is that he is going to stand there in the House chamber and say that we are strong and we're united when we are fractured and we have a president who is portraying weakness at home and abroad.
When you look at domestic policy and you look at inflation, the rate of increase there, that open southern border, 2 million illegal immigrants flooding over that border, 600,000 That we don't know where they're from, who they are, what they're bringing into the country.
We do know the two million came from 160 different countries.
We know that cartels have set up operations on our nation's soil, that they are pushing drugs onto the streets of our cities at unprecedented amounts.
Record numbers of Americans are dying of drug overdoses.
From these drugs on our streets.
We know that our nation's cities are just being wrecked with crime, with gangs, carjackings at an all time high.
We know that our schools and are being run by teachers unions that are not focused on children and not focused on our nation's history.
They're focused on the selfishness of their membership.
We know that Afghanistan was a debacle.
We know that Russia and China and Iran and North Korea, the new axis of evil, were watching what was happening there.
And now you see Russia going after Ukraine, when Ukraine did nothing to provoke Russia.
Ukraine, I think it's important to realize, is a primarily Christian nation.
And now you have Ukraine Being under assault by Russia because Vladimir Putin wants to rebuild the old Soviet Union.
And when President Biden should have started with sanctions and sales of lethal assistance last fall to Ukraine, knowing that this was coming, knowing that Russia was going to try to flex their muscle, he didn't do it.
And now trying to do it after the fact.
Makes it very difficult to get the supplies that are needed in order for Ukraine to defend themselves in this war of aggression that Russia is carrying out on them.
Senator, in the last year, the amount of energy we import to America from Russia has doubled under Biden.
It is now the fourth largest importer of oil to this nation, which strengthens him, which helps to fund his war against Ukraine and others.
When Obama was his boss, they provided blankets to Kiev after the Crimean War.
We provided Javelin anti-tank missiles.
Do you have any, I mean, is there any inkling of an expectation that tonight's speech will see a serious support for the Ukrainians so they can liberate themselves or perhaps the cancelling of this amazing Free cash to Russia in terms of our energy relationship?
You know, we are buying, the United States of America is importing and buying over 600,000 barrels of oil per day from Russia.
And because Joe Biden nixed the Keystone pipeline and approved the Nord Stream 2 pipeline for Russia, This is their cash cow.
Russia is basically a great big oil depot with an army.
That is how they're making their money.
So Vladimir Putin is taking that money that is coming from those oil sales to us, and he's using it to inflict all of this harm on Ukraine, trying to overrun Ukraine, killing Innocent civilians and children.
Joe Biden should stand in the well of the Senate and say, we're not going to put up with this.
Today, I'm going to restart the Keystone Pipeline.
Today, we're going to begin to execute those leases on federal lands for oil drilling and exploration.
Today, we're going to go back into offshore drilling.
We are going to return to being energy independent.
And take away from Vladimir Putin, the ability to fund this war.
Joe Biden should also say, I'm going to support the efforts of some Republicans in the Senate, which I am leading this effort on a resolution to block Russia from the swift finance systems.
And as you know, this is the processing.
Ability that allows those easy transactions when you're sending money to another country, when you're doing business with another country.
And we have Boris Johnson and others who are supporting this effort.
And I'm so pleased that we have other countries, some of our NATO partners that are standing up and saying, we join in this effort.
And I'm going to try to get that sense of the Senate resolution passed this week.
President Biden should support that.
President Biden should support my resolution that says, UN, take Russia out of the UN Security Council.
But I'm not sure that's what we're going to hear tonight.
Well, when you see countries like Switzerland, just historically neutral in every conflict, saying we are going to join European powers in sanctioning Russia even more than we've done before, that's a sign.
Sadly, I'm not sure we will see that kind of leadership coming out of the White House or during the address this evening.
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Alright.
How much do you guys watch Fox?
You watch Fox quite a bit, right?
Jeff.
Yeah.
I don't watch it nearly as much as I used to.
How much do they use Lisa Booth?
Not a lot, right?
Not much at all anymore.
She's great.
Alright, what have I not seen?
Oh, give me nine.
Nine.
And ten.
And so that's why I'm coming up with this recent understanding that to abolish whiteness is to abolish white people.
And that's very uncomfortable, perhaps, but it asks about our definitions of what race is and what racial justice might mean.
So again, Roediger is asking the same question here about this genuine class unity is not going to happen because within it are these cleavages This is not a war.
struggles and gender struggles that prevent class unity from sort of happening and prevents white working class folks from achieving their goal.
This is not a war.
This is a genocide of the Ukrainian people by a crazy man who cannot get over that Ukrainian people do not want socialism, Soviet Union, Communists.
They want to be with the United States of America.
They want to be free people.
They want to be with the West.
And he cannot get over.
Oh, that's good.
Tonight, how stupid is the GOP to not have her do the rebuttal?
Gosh, how dumb!
I know.
How dumb!
That's the thing, who is it?
Nobody you've ever heard of.
No, it's the governor of Iowa, isn't it?
Yeah, Kim Reynolds.
Rebuttals always suck, though.
That would be so pointless.
That would be powerful, yeah.
And timely, and all the other... It wouldn't even have to be that long, just three or four minutes.
Yeah.
Can you find me, what's the account for Berkeley University on Twitter?
Sad thing is they've been teaching crap like that for years.
I can't find it.
It's, uh, at G... Yeah.
It's, yeah, it's at UC Berkeley.
UC Berkeley.
Okay, good.
And Berkeley, spelled weird, that's B-E-R-K-E-L-E-Y.
Yeah, got it.
Yep.
I was being taught stuff like that when I was a kid.
That was shared by Lindsey, so it's got, it's definitely real ones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Don't forget, whiteness is the absence of culture, according to colleges.
Mm-hmm.
Some of the stuff they say is so outlandish.
But they tie everything, the intersectionality ties everything together, so you'll find these hilarious, weaved, like, arguments of whiteness and diet culture, and like, my friend was reading me one the other day, it was the funniest thing ever.
Diet culture, okay.
What have I seen?
Oh, Gimme Six?
We have not taken some steps on energy sanctions, in part because we weigh that.
It doesn't mean they're off the table.
They remain on the table.
But Europeans, for example, are very concerned about further price spikes on gas in particular.
Their prices have gone up 335% over the last year and 26% over the last five days.
So sanctioning energy would affect Russia's income stream.
Certainly that would be a reason to do it.
But it would also have extreme consequences on the world.
Yeah, it's called a war, Kraton.
I'm going to flip it here.
I'm going to do food for the poor, and then I'll do merch for the next one.
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It's difficult to see these images.
Yesterday when I saw that Kharkiv building on Freedom Square blown up just like vaporized.
Massive fireball.
I couldn't believe it was one of the latest figures.
Six people killed.
How it wasn't more, but it's gonna get worse.
It's hard right now.
I've got my guys looking into what donation site we can support Ukrainians with.
As soon as we've vetted it, we will put it up on the screen.
We'll be mentioning it.
I'll be mentioning it on my Newsmax show on Sunday.
But in the meantime, let's support those closer to home who we can help, who have The organization supporting them being vetted.
It's the one that you support every single year.
It's food for the poor.
There are hundreds of thousands of children close to us in our hemisphere who are hungry right now, who will go to bed hungry and who will wake up hungry, whose parents will not be able to feed them in benighted places like Haiti, Guatemala and Honduras.
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Let's go to your calls.
Let's go to James from Texas.
He has an idea for how we can show our support to our brothers in Ukraine.
Well, when I was listening to the Ukrainian president yesterday, it gave me a similar vibe of down here at Goliad whenever they wanted to come take back their cannon.
And so yeah, you can come and take it and we'll give it to your barrel first.
I like that.
So we need a come and take it kind of themed t-shirt with the Ukrainian colors.
Is that what you're saying, James?
That seems to fit the narrative.
Yeah, I think so.
Maybe that, what was it, that Miss Ukraine, that supermodel, maybe President Zelensky in his flag jacket.
I like it.
Great idea.
I want your ideas.
Let them flood in, dear friends.
Call us.
We, just like Phil in Philly gave us our Americans Abandoned in Afghanistan Will Not Be Forgotten idea that is now a t-shirt, is now a flag on our website.
I want your suggestions for how we show our support for Ukrainians.
Let's go to our first cop, Victor Silverspring.
You've been very patient.
Hey, Victor.
Hey, Sebastian.
I want to talk to you parents for a minute or two.
Okay, let's do it.
Parents, please have a sit down with your teenage children and young adult children.
Tell them this is what communism is really like.
It's not what the left tell you that it's great.
This is what's going on right now.
My parents did the same thing with me when they told me at nine years old about the uprising in Hungary.
I was nine years old then.
1968, I was 21 when the Russians did it again.
This time to Czechoslovakia.
Yeah.
They're still up to their same trick.
So parents, please, Please tell your children about the dangers of communism and it could very easily happen here.
It's happened up in Canada, it can happen here.
Yeah, what's that awful phrase that is used so often that, you know, this is a teaching moment for all those millennials, all the next generation who Think socialism is cool.
Think communism is about equality and equity.
Well guess what?
You are witnessing right now what communism looks like because the man who has invaded the free state of Ukraine is a communist.
He was socialized in communism and he was the pillar of of the socialist regime, the united soviet regime that was the USSR, a KGB colonel.
If you want to understand the reality, not what Berkeley teaches, not what Harvard teaches, but the actual reality.
of socialism, of communism.
You are witnessing it in that explosion in Kharkiv, in the women and children hiding out in the bomb shelters.
So yes, this is a teachable moment, but it's up to us.
You're right, Victor.
It's up to the adults in the room to explain the broader ramifications of why what AOC preaches ...isn't perfect unicorns and rainbows.
It leads to what we are witnessing in Ukraine.
Great call.
More to follow.
And also Dan Hoffman with us to tell us what Putin really, really thinks.
Former station chief of the CIA in Moscow.
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Getting close to that 250 mark.
Dialing up in just a bit here on channel one.
Title for Blackburn?
Something about the State of the Union probably?
What Biden won't say tonight.
I don't know if I even want to watch it.
It's just so boring.
I was about to say, I wonder what the numbers are going to be on this based on the fact that Ukraine, this is happening right now, so it might draw more people to it, but Biden in general is- Right, right, right, right.
Well, a friend of mine told me that she was looking everywhere.
She cannot find a single bar or restaurant anywhere in Arlington that's advertising that they'll be showing State of the Union tonight.
That's not a surprise.
Alright, calling him up.
Scott Channel One.
If that were Trump, everyone would have it on.
Hello, Mr. Hoffman, can you hear us?
Yeah, I can.
Is he in a t-shirt again?
No, this time I actually wore a jacket.
I went on Geno and just got this on.
How you doing, buddy?
Busy.
How about you?
Yes, fire hoses.
Drinking, drinking fire hoses.
Alright, so you're gonna help get us in the mind of this man in the Kremlin, okay?
Yeah, okay.
Alright, the shot looks good.
Yeah, the frame looks good.
Alright, 70 seconds.
Alright.
Any other cuts you want to come in with?
Is there something short?
From Russia with Love.
From Russia with Love.
That's good.
Great movie.
That's good.
Come in with Bond.
Okay, gotcha.
Yeah, there's nothing really short we can use.
Okay.
45 seconds.
Can you come back to me?
I just want to make sure I got the light out of this thing.
Okay, perfect.
Thank you.
This is my, like, basement studio, but it's not where I... It's good.
It's good.
Standby.
Alright, 30 seconds.
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Our guest requested that we play from Russia with Love, which I do think we have somewhere, but I thought we could use the original Monty Norman Bond theme because it's just so apposite.
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I like that idea from our caller.
I think it was James from Texas.
The come and get it message from Texas.
We could develop something with President Zelensky and that Miss Ukraine with that AR-15.
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He was kind of reticent in the beginning, Thanks a lot.
I introduced him as former station chief of the CIA in Moscow.
Now, I don't think he's so shy because that makes him the person everybody wants to talk to.
And we're delighted to have him with us today here on America First.
Daniel Hoffman, welcome back to the Salem Radio Network.
Thanks a lot.
It's a good time to be with you for sure.
Well, everybody wants to hear your opinion because you know you've served there.
You've studied these people.
Can we start by kind of just at least dismissing as much as we can this, oh, he's crazy or he's mental.
Nothing he's really done is out of the playbook.
So can you talk to us about how KGB colonels think, Daniel Hoffman?
Yeah, so I spent a lot of my career trying to see the world through the twisted KGB eyes of Vladimir Putin.
And that means understanding what makes him tick.
The Russians say, what makes a person breathe, literally.
And trying to understand his plans and intentions.
I can tell you, there's nothing more important right now for the Biden administration, just like it was for President Trump, to understand, you know, Putin's next move.
But no, he's not gone mad.
There could be a touch of hubris there.
He's won a bunch of wars.
He defeated Chechnya, defeated Georgia in 2008.
Annex Crimea illegally in 2014 and and imposed a frozen conflict in the Donbass and then for the first time in the history of Russia since the fall the Soviet Union deployed troops overseas in support of the brutal Syrian dictator Assad and was complicit in the use of chemical weapons there.
But I will tell you that you know the CIA writes leadership profiles and the leadership profile they wrote today of Vladimir Putin is a probably a lot different than the ones they were writing two weeks ago because his risk calculus Appears to have changed those other wars that he won, albeit brutally.
Look at Aleppo.
Look at Grozny.
This one, a massive invasion against his neighbor, which carries with it so many risks to Vladimir Putin's own regime security.
He's got to win this.
I just don't know how he steps back.
You know, people have talked about the idea of a negotiated settlement.
I just I think we're probably past that point, frankly.
You know my background.
I'm a counter-terrorism guy, a big-picture strategy guy.
I'm not a Russia specialist, so there's one big question I need some help with, Daniel Hoffman.
People are talking about, oh, he's going to be taken out or he's going to be sent off to his dacha.
I don't see the other power centers in Russia that are going to replace him.
Are there people out there who are going to say, ooh, this isn't good for us, let's just put him out to pasture?
Are there any other centers of power that could do this to a man who's been in power for 20, Three years?
So that's what he's worrying about.
And that's why he has struck against his enemies.
Look, he killed his opposition, one of the opposition figures, Boris Nemtsov, in 2015.
Why did he do that?
He didn't need to do that.
Most of the listeners probably don't even know who Boris Nemtsov was.
But Vladimir Putin needed to tell his own inner circle, hey, I'm still the most ruthless guy here.
Don't mess with me because I can take out opposition figures.
That's the same reason why he tried to kill Alexei Navalny.
Who is a much more prominent opposition figure with a banned chemical nerve agent.
Why do it that way?
It could hit him over the head with a hammer.
But he wanted some breadcrumbs leading right back to the Kremlin because he wants his own team to know that he's still ruthless and he can deal with the enemy, whoever it might be.
That's why he tried to kill Sergei Skripal with a banned chemical nerve agent in the UK.
Why he used a radioactive nuclear device to kill FSB agent Litvinenko in the UK back in 2006.
That's just kind of the way he works.
He's very, you know, he's concerned about protests in his own country.
There's plenty of them, but he can deal with that.
His own inner circle, three guys, Minister of Defense Shoigu, Director of the FSB Bortnikov, and his National Security Advisor Patrushev.
If any of those guys decide that Vladimir Putin's not up to the task, then what's going to happen to him is what we saw with Gorbachev in 1991.
Putin lived through that, a KGB coup, if they decide he's gone too far and is not protecting the interests of their state.
But Gorbachev was not a former KGB colonel, so it might be a little bit harder.
Fox News contributor, follow him at Daniel Hoffman, D.C.
Last question to you, Dan.
What is he going to be able to say, I'm satisfied with, so he doesn't lose face?
If he takes Kiev and says, OK, in exchange, we're going to de facto recognize those two breakaway republics as part of Russia, Is that enough?
What is he going to settle for?
I think he's put himself in a position where he has to conquer Ukraine and he doesn't know He does not have the troops to do it.
He's got a hundred and ninety thousand troops and we've already seen that his supply lines are challenged and And he's gonna do it brutally, but that's what he set his sights on.
This is a binary choice here.
Either he takes Ukraine or he doesn't.
And I would just highlight for listeners, the guy who's pulling NATO together, look, Ukraine wanted to join NATO a week ago, and now it's NATO joining Ukraine.
Who's fighting for liberty, freedom, and democracy?
We are.
And why are we doing it?
Because President Zelensky, the most unlikely, a comedian, a Jewish comedian, is leading the fight against Vladimir Putin and kicking him in the ass.
The extraordinary part of this story and Zelensky understands the 21st century leader.
He knows how to use social media.
He's got the European Union and NATO behind him.
He's doing what he's supposed to do.
He's staying and fighting unlike what we saw in Afghanistan.
So look, we're in for the long haul here.
The Biden administration needs to thread the needle, provide material support, humanitarian assistance, military assistance, and not get into a kinetic war with Russia.
That's going to be a challenge.
Look for the State of the Union tonight.
Is the President up to the task of addressing the Russian people, the Russian military, Vladimir Putin, as well as our own citizens?
Well, when we were in the White House, we listened very closely to people like Daniel Hoffman.
That's why we provided javelin anti-tank missiles and not blankets to Kiev.
Now it's everybody else who has to step up to the plate.
Even Canada!
Even Canada.
America is providing lethal assistance and even neutral Finland.
God bless you Dan.
I hope to see you back here on the show because we need your expertise.
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I know, this is what everyone was talking about last night too.
But do you remember, I mean, this is for how many years?
What was it, a decade?
We were told, oh, Bin Laden's dying.
He's on dialysis in a cage.
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No!
The Swiss stuff doesn't even apply to the oil sector.
It's insanity.
Alright, we have to think, we have to up our game on social media posts.
What should we post today?
Definitely that professor.
Nah, it's such a crappy, he's such a low energy and it's a bad image.
But the message is important, obviously.
Yeah, but it's not, it won't get traction.
Oh, sparts.
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Oh, yeah.
Standing by.
Yeah.
Okay.
We're clear here.
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So, I'm looking for just some clarification on two issues involving Ukraine.
I remember, you know, when this happened back in 2014, and we were hearing about it, I didn't know a lot of details, and I don't know if you know, you know, what happened, the circumstances involving, there was that coup, something, you know, they had, there was a, the democratically elected president of Ukraine, you know, what happened there, why he was removed, and also, Is it true that there are neo-nazi factions within Ukraine?
I've heard one group is called the Azov.
Azov.
The Azov Regiment.
Yes, like every nation there are extremists on the left and the right.
There is something called the Azov Regiment that sees themselves as white supremacists or what have you.
But even the most trenchant observers say there's no more than 900 individuals out of a nation of tens of millions.
It's just a pretext for Putin to use.
Great question.
Brent has been waiting very patiently.
Brent, Los Angeles, welcome.
Bravo!
America's ghost of Kiev, Gorka!
Careful!
That story is not as reliable as it may seem, but I'll take the bravo, Gorka.
Carry on.
You've got a minute and a half.
Brent, what message do you have to our listeners across the nation?
Well, I want to say, may the breathtaking and inspirational courage of Ukrainian commitment to freedom motivate America's mothers and fathers to fight the destruction that Democrats are visiting upon our children.
With their evil genocide rape jabs, their CRT race hatred, and BLM bigotry, along with their progressive pedophilia and their child prostitution, and their never-ending infanticide.
If the Ukrainians can stand against Putin's tanks, we can stand against transgender totalitarian teachers.
Yeah, fabulous point.
All of these things are connected.
It's not about something happening over there and then something happening here.
It's all left-wing anti-western civilization assaults, whether it's CRT, whether it's undermining a free nation.
It's the spirit of 1776 in Ukraine as much as it is here.
Thank you, Brent.
Next up, Lord Conrad Black.
More of your calls.
And then Konstantin Kesin.
ethnic Russian from Ukraine for our one-on-one.
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When was this piece?
Um, it was February the 28th.
So just, uh... Oh, yep, that's yesterday.
Wow, yeah.
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Keep your game February so short.
Mics are on, minute 45.
Conrad!
Yes, sir?
It's been too long.
Did you have fun in the UK?
Yeah, great, except I came down with COVID at the end of it.
Oh my gosh!
Yeah, Sebastian, just show us what happens.
We don't speak to each other for two weeks and the whole world changes.
I know, it's outrageous.
We should make sure that never happens again.
How are you feeling?
Have you got therapeutics?
Are you doing better?
Yeah, no, I'm recovering now, thanks.
Now it's just like a medium level cold and it is getting better each night.
Good, excellent, excellent.
So glad to hear it.
But you had fun in the UK?
Yeah, I did, yeah.
I always do.
I bet you do.
All right, 60.
It's the best town in the world.
Still?
I think so, yeah.
Good.
All right, stand by 50 seconds and I think you know what we will discuss.
Good.
I've got a title in mind for Hoffman.
Inside Putin's Mind or something like that.
Yes, that's good, that's good.
Inside Putin's Mind.
35 seconds.
Okay, and then we're doing podcast here?
Uh, yes.
Okay.
Alright, 30 seconds.
Stand by. Stand by. Stand by.
Stand by.
I can't give you the details.
It's literally the latest chyron on the TV, on the news as I'm watching it.
It says the EU is taking the first steps in response to President Zelensky's signing his nation's application from a war-torn Ukraine.
So that's shocking.
That's within 24 hours.
Brussels is responding.
That surprises even me.
Let's talk about the geopolitics of it all.
How Zelensky is faring with a man who's written one or two amazing works, not just on geopolitical issues, but on presidents themselves, including Nixon, FDR and my former boss.
Welcome back to America First, Lord Conrad Black.
Thank you, Sebastian.
Glad to be back with you.
Let's start with that.
Give us your analysis of the leadership qualities of the last eight days from Vladimir Zelinsky, a man who seems to understand social media as a former comedian, and who sent a message to Washington DC, I don't need a ride, I need ammunition.
Yeah.
This man is clearly a communications genius, and it remains to be seen how great his talents as a statesman are.
But obviously, he is the man for the task.
I mean, he came to prominence as a comedian, and as I understand it, was thought to be a rather workmanlike president of this country.
He, as happens in history, he has suddenly arisen as absolutely the man of the hour and a figure of very compelling heroism and eloquence.
And I think that was, as far as I know, completely unforeseeable.
I mean, from his opening remarks, I assumed that he would do his dutiful best and probably give a good account of himself, but he's become An instantly inspiring figure on a scale even greater than, say, Lech Walesa, and almost at the level, although for very different reasons, of Nelson Mandela.
And, you know, this is a phenomenon in current history, and a very interesting one.
Assuming that he survives this ordeal, he'll be obviously a very esteemed figure amongst the statesmen of the world.
And instantly the head of a country, depending on how the war ends and assuming it ends with Ukraine's sovereignty reaffirmed, a country of 37 to 44 million people, very strategically placed and enjoying the esteem of the whole world.
So it's an amazing instant lesson to all of us how quickly the world can change.
I mean, these are developments so earthshaking in previous times, they would have taken a much longer time to unfold.
The latest piece, we're posting it in Epoch Times from our guest, our regular guest, is a decisive time in world history.
He is the co-host of the podcast Scholars in Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett, author most recently of Donald J. Trump, a President Like No Other.
Conrad, as a man who lived through the Cold War, saw the events of 1956, I, as a child of those who escaped a nation who saw the tanks of the Russian army down its high streets, my parents, especially after 1989, thought we would never see these images again.
Your reactions to seeing tanks rolling down the streets of an erstwhile free nation in Eastern Europe, Well, obviously it's a depressing sight and a sight that makes us all angry.
But the fact, and you would know this better than I and better than most of your listeners because of your background, the fact is that Russia had never accepted the independence of the 14 republics that broke out from Russia.
And it was a bridge we were going to have to cross eventually.
And, you know, it's been at a different pace in each case.
I doubt that Russia has any desire to have the five, mainly Muslim, you know, the so-called, you know, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and the others, have been back right in Russia.
I think the Muslim factor would be deterrent to them.
But obviously, Ukraine was sort of the premier republic of those so-called Soviet republics.
And they've always wanted that back.
They've got a Russian population within Ukraine, 17 percent or so, seven or eight million people, I think.
And Ukraine is traditionally divided between being a Russian-oriented and a Western-oriented country or area.
It's only been a country for the last 30 years.
And it wasn't a defined area, as you know, within the imperial Russia.
It only became so under the communists.
So it was always going to be resolved.
We all hoped.
Lost Lord Conrad Black.
I wanted to ask him about the geopolitical reshaping of not just the continent, but globally, as the author of a book I don't mention frequently enough, Flight of the Eagle, America's Rise from Colonial Upstart to the World's Superpower.
We need to have his assessment of The different behavior we're seeing right now, the very robust behavior we are witnessing from nations like Canada, Switzerland, and even Finland.
Lord Black, I mentioned your book, Flight of the Eagle.
There seems to be a very rapid And potentially robust reshaping of the geopolitical environment.
You know, the idea that Canada, with all its problems with its freedom convoy, yesterday declaring that no more crude oil will be purchased from Russia.
The Finns, a neutral country, saying they are going to provide arms and ammunition to Kiev.
And then lastly, the The Swiss, who have this sacred neutrality, saying they are going to participate in swinging sanctions against Moscow.
This is potentially a very significant restructuring of the global environment, is it not?
Yes, I think it is.
And you referred a few minutes ago to my column this week in Epoch Times, until the remarkable rise of this Ukrainian independence movement, it looked like Russia was simply going to take over Ukraine.
And this, my contention was that added to the great Chinese strategic victory in COVID by getting the rest of the world shut down, and they exploited the illness that they themselves generated accidentally, I assume.
The debacle in Afghanistan, this terrible spectacle the United States has made of sort of woke American self-hate, all of this has diminished America.
And what has happened here is suddenly Europe, which was dyspeptic and torpid and incapable of sending a bunch of blue helmets, literally helmets, to a war zone, suddenly arose.
And when the federal chancellor, who not one percent of Of your listeners, I suspect, would know who he was a week ago, a brand new man.
He went to the Bundestag and, as far as I can see, got a 100 billion euro, that's the equivalent of dollars, a vote to raise the status of Germany's military establishment virtually on a voice vote and pledged as a constitutional undertaking.
To me, it's 2% of GDP defense commitment to NATO.
Germany, the strongest country in Europe since Bismarck, unified it.
Finally, suddenly, playing its proper role as a very influential power, but in an alliance context.
And I don't have to tell you, as a man from Central Europe, what an immense sea change that is.
And in itself what an immense challenge to Russia it is.
A 2% commitment which my former boss was rather keen to get them to do previously in which it took a war in Europe to make happen.
Given we have another commander-in-chief in the last 90 seconds we have with you in this segment Lord Black, your expectations for the state of the Union in just under five hours from the current incumbent?
I'm afraid my expectations are A pretty tired effort to pretend that what's gone on for the last year has been anything other than a failure on every front and purposeful but vague and unsatisfactory noises.
But with that said, it has been two weeks of surprises, and if he comes in and says, We must set aside the green agenda.
We must endure temporary inflation.
We must not be dependent upon Russian oil, and we must not promote an inflated oil price that merely facilitates Russia's ability to pay for its imperialism and barbarism in Ukraine.
If he says all of that, he will actually jump 15 points in the polls and for the first time look like a president who knows what he's doing.
We haven't seen anything like that in this past.
That, that, that, that, If that happens, I'm going to expect to see pigs flying past my window.
We will find out soon enough.
You and I will be drinking champagne from a pirate.
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Or after. - Uh, yes.
You mean in London?
Yes.
No, I arrived just after.
So what is it like now there?
What was the level of normalcy?
95%.
Really?
You hardly ever see a mask.
You know, there's no social distancing, none of it.
The British, their attitude now is, those of us who haven't had it, we're going to get the Omicron thing.
It's like a cold.
We'd get a cold anyway.
The hell with it.
Right.
We refuse to pay any more obeisance and homage to this wretched pandemic.
The hell with it.
We drive home.
The spirit of England reasserts itself.
Oh my gosh, that sounds so good.
So good.
Will you come in, please?
I'll do the Israel read, but please come in with cut ten.
Did you have some good meals, Conrad?
No, absolutely nothing but.
Is the Gay Hussar still there?
Is the Gay Hussar, the Hungarian restaurant, still there, I wonder?
Yeah, I think it is.
I didn't see it on this trip.
I mainly eat in the clubs of my friends, like 5 Hartford Street.
When you sit down, you know you won't be getting up for some hours.
No way it could feel more.
I remember the Gay Huzzah was shock of horrors.
It was one of Michael Foote's favorite restaurants.
Yeah, well, look, the Labour guys always like a good meal.
Neil Kinnock actually lived in that deluxe Indian restaurant, the Maharaja or whatever that was.
He lived literally around the corner from me in Ealing.
I remember seeing Kinnock.
He was in South Ealing.
Yeah, look, he's a nice guy personally.
He was very misguided politically.
Yeah.
Well, and totally ineffectual.
Not meant to be a leader.
No, I'm scared out of his wits by Thatcher, which is not going to work.
But a good source of material for Biden.
Do you think there's any chance that Biden's going to surprise us?
No.
Zero.
Zilch.
None.
Absolutely none.
I mean, you know, if you look at his performance in the last eight days, I mean, I did quite a lot of British media hits, and when the host, before I come on, is just railing against the fact that Boris Johnson didn't go to sleep last night because Ukraine was invaded, and it's now 18 hours later, and we're still waiting for Biden to say anything.
Anything.
No, it's awful, and I think he's completely hopeless.
I think that's the great element here.
The vacuum created by the Biden administration is, thank God, being filled by You know, the Germans finally stepped in.
The only time since Bismarck unified the country in 1871, I mean, since Bismarck, the only time that it has exercised its role in all its strength were disasters under William II.
Now, finally, Germany is clearly going to behave like the most powerful country in Europe, but in an alliance context and in a responsible way.
This is a wonderful development.
And the speech that Boris gave after the invasion, and right after Keir Starmer said we fully support Johnson's government in supporting the Ukraine, it was just a pleasure to watch.
Stand by.
All right.
So we're coming up with the cut.
We'll be right back.
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We haven't spoken in several weeks, Lord Black.
What is the status, if I may ask, of The situation, civil liberties in Canada, the truckers' freedom convoy, I understand the Emergency Powers Act has been rescinded.
Are things back to normal?
How is Trudeau faring?
Things are certainly back to normal.
And I believe the general view is that the truckers made a serious mistake when they lent their prestige and goodwill to blocking some of the crossing points between Canada and the U.S.
That had nothing to do with a legitimate political objective, and they shouldn't have done it.
But with that said, I think the general view also is that the government overreacted.
There was no excuse for using such a draconian measure.
And Trudeau was really headed for political disaster if he hadn't relinquished it quickly.
And I think people got a real shock when they saw the ease with which the government could simply freeze people's assets.
No due process.
Nothing.
Just a warrant taken to a judge's home and signed at three o'clock in the morning or something like that.
And so I think it's been a disturbing experience for the country, but not a great deal of lasting damage.
And I think the point the truckers wanted to make About the oppressive nature of these absurd authoritarian COVID regulations.
But that point has been made, and the government is responding to it.
All the provinces now are abandoning all these mask mandates.
The whole thing is falling apart at the seams now.
Does it have a lasting effect on Trudeau, or has he come out strengthened?
I think it does, and it's coupled with the race now underway to bring in a new leader of the opposition.
That was a, what should we call it?
An event in which I played a very slight role myself in suggesting publicly that it was time for such change.
And I think the people who are shaping up as the potential leaders of the opposition are much more formidable than anyone that Justin Trudeau has faced prior to this.
And he has a minority government.
So I think his position is He's weakening, but he's not in any immediate danger.
When it comes to the broader context, much of the resistance that we've seen in the recent years has been a resistance to wokeness, to political correctness out of control.
Given that Moscow is on the march, that it has invaded another of its neighbours, could this mean that wokeness is in trouble, that political correctness is in trouble with the resurgence of Realpolitik, Lord Black?
I think very much so.
I think nothing is more stark than the contrast between the heroism and the fixation on the ultimately most important aspects of our existence, of these brave people in Ukraine, on the one hand, and all those supporting them, and this ghastly, self-indulgent, self-pitying, racist, historically revisionist nonsense and mere
Treason of the whole woke America hating movement.
It's a completely despicable and contemptible operation, and it's fraying at the edges everywhere.
I mean, Black Lives Matter is exposed as a tax fraud.
And, you know, the whole thing is just crumbling anyway, like a sinkhole.
But now we have there in the news reports of every day and every type of news medium, the contrast between people
risking their lives for the ultimate ideal of human liberty, and these idiots and subversives disrupting America and feeling sorry for themselves, when on the other side of the Atlantic, people are risking their lives every day to have the life that these people are disparaging so outrageously.
And I think it's, apart from anything else that's happened, this remarkable example of sort of marathon-like sort of epic struggle Ukrainians are making is exposing the wrath, the atrophied, corroded, putrid corpse of the Western left.
The article is a decisive time in world history.
We're reposting it right now on our Twitter and Facebook pages.
In the last couple of minutes we have with you, Conrad, doesn't this mean also that you can concur that President Trump's candidacy to return to the White House after the events in Europe are now stronger than ever?
It seems so to me.
Didn't follow the CPAC meeting as closely as I would have liked, but it seemed to me that in the straw poll it came out 22 points ahead of Santos and Bemis-Friendly.
It's his party.
He is the person who repositioned the Republican Party to gain the votes of the disadvantaged people, to reaffirm the foundations of the country.
Not the perfection, but the respectability and admirable qualities of American traditions.
And he was the one who led that party there, and it remains his party.
Now, I would say that barring Biden jumping on this bandwagon and doing something decisively favorable for Ukraine, And riding back up in popularity the way, say, George Bush Sr.
did in the Gulf War.
Barring that, I mean, look, anything can happen in politics, and life is full of surprises.
But President Trump looks to me as he has all along, as you know, and it's his view.
Like he's on a straight glide path to re-election.
And he deserved that, but this election was stolen from him, and he should have it back.
Indeed.
I like that description.
A straight glide path back into the White House.
He warned us what he would happen.
He warned us what would happen with the mail-in ballots.
He warned us what would happen with the economy with Covid.
And all of those warnings have sadly come to fruition.
We'll see in six hours time.
We will be all the wiser.
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A little flavor, a little selection.
Franklin, the FDR book, the D.J.T.
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I like that, D.J.T.
And the Richard Nixon, A Life in Full.
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Yeah, you like what he said at the end?
And he stole it.
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Doing food here?
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20 seconds.
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Let's go to Tom Arizona.
Tom, welcome to America First!
Hey, Seb, how you doing?
Good!
Good.
I just wanted to... I think I was hearing something when Peppermint Patty said that they didn't want to cut off the oil to Russia because it would affect prices.
Oh, stand by, stand by.
I think we have that cut.
Stay there, buddy.
Yes, we have it.
Cut six.
We have not taken some steps on energy sanctions, in part because we weigh that.
It doesn't mean they're off the table.
They remain on the table.
But Europeans, for example, are very concerned about further price spikes on gas in particular.
Their prices have gone up 335 percent over the last year and 26 percent over the last five days.
So sanctioning energy would affect Russia's income stream.
Certainly that would be a reason to do it.
but it would also have extreme consequences on the world energy markets, particularly for our allies in Europe.
So the genius who is Peppermint Patty says, yeah, yeah, yeah, sanctions, but, you know, that would be tough for everyone else.
That's exactly what she said.
Well, I remember, I'm sure you remember, the first thing that Sleepy Joe did, even when he got into the office, is he put sanctions on his own country.
Correct!
He cut the pipeline, he cut drilling, I mean, and she actually, you know, predicted what happened.
Prices went up.
Yeah, no, he not only did he get us 10,000 jobs next in America, 40,000 in Canada with the cancellation of the Keystone Pipeline extension.
On top of that, he dropped the sanctions against Russia's Nord Stream Pipeline so he could sell even more oil and gas into Europe, which is where we are today.
that nations like Germany get more than 30% of their energy from a country that's invaded their neighbors.
So this tells you that whether it's because they're being blackmailed, whether it's because Hunter Biden is in the pocket of the Russians, or whether they're just stupid and hate this country and worship at the altar of Gaia and the green environmentalist gods that AOC worships, these people do not know what they are doing or are deliberately hurting our nation. these people do not know what they are doing or Nicely put.
Stay on the line my friend.
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I can still already, again, I can sense that the messaging for the midterms and the dems is definitely going to be like, oh, Republicans are the party of Russia because they don't support war.
They're going to tie that back to Trump and just run with it, kind of like what Kimmel was doing.
I don't think it'll work, but that's what it's like.
is just beyond ridiculous.
I wonder who tunes in to listen to that.
I still never forget the time that Jimmy Kimmel went up against, uh, I know we don't like him anymore, but Bill Cassidy, you know, cause he is a doctor and Kimmel tried to claim that he knew more about COVID and like healthcare stuff than Cassidy did.
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Well, if you couldn't make it to CPAC, this is what I said to the thousands in Orlando.
Hear it for the amazing truth-tellers and warriors like Dr. McCuller and Dr. Malone.
Let's give it up.
Okay, so you're here to have fun, you're here to celebrate, you're here to take back America.
But you didn't know there was going to be an exam, did you?
Okay, there's going to be a test.
I want to tell you a story, and while I'm telling you the story, I want you to tell me, think about one question.
What is the major, the biggest, the most significant problem America faces?
Just fight, no, no, no, no, behave.
Fingers on lips.
Think about it.
What is the number one threat we face?
And while you... Oh!
Be quiet!
Pay attention!
And while you're thinking about it, I'm going to tell you a story.
So over the years, since I came to America as a legal citizen, because it is the greatest nation on God's green Earth, I have often been asked, why do you do what you do?
What motivates you?
Why do you fight the swamp?
Why do you go up there and embarrass Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon?
And I tell you, it's very easy.
It's a moment in my life where my life changed forever.
Sometimes you can identify A minute where you arrive at a crossroads, and you have to pick a path, and everything changes.
For me, I was about eight years old, and I was on vacation at the beach.
And my dad was a massive athlete.
He was a national rower, huge bear of a man, and he loved to swim.
And I'm playing on the sand with my GI Joes and my bucket and spade, and he comes out of the water after a swim.
And I look at my dad, and I see something I hadn't recognized before.
And like a stupid little child, I said, hey dad, what are those lines on your wrists?
Because he was too young to be wrinkled.
Without skipping a beat, with no emotion, he looked me in the eye, age 8, and he said, That's where the Communist secret police bound my wrists together with wire behind my back so they could hang me from the roof of the torture chamber.
My father fought for freedom and liberty in an occupied nation called Hungary.
He suffered as a child under Nazi occupation and at the age of 18 decided to resist the Communist occupation.
He was betrayed by Kim Philby, one of the greatest traitors in the world, arrested, tortured, and given a life sentence at the age of 20.
Six years later, after two years down a prison coal mine, two years in solitary, he was liberated by the Freedom Fighters of 1956.
And that is why I am a free man.
Right now we are seeing the same images from 1956 on the streets of Kiev.
Unarmed civilians with Molotov cocktails fighting the Russian armoured personnel carriers.
And that fight is like our fight in 1776.
Do not be mistaken.
They are fighting for their liberty because they too are made in the image of our creator and they too have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
God bless the Ukrainian people!
May they make those Russian invaders bleed and die!
So, what has this got to do with that diminutive little fascist Fauci?
Because I think that's the topic of my speech today.
This.
You've worked out what the greatest threat is?
Okay, I'll tell you, you're all wrong.
I don't care what your answer is.
The open border, fascism in Canada, Drug abuse, the second amendment, cancel culture, you're all wrong.
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For two years, unelected bureaucrats shut down the economy, caused unemployment for 44 million Americans, put masks on our children, and we just let them!
Why is it that one restaurant owner in California refuses, one bar owner in New Jersey refuses, and their stories, they are stories.
It should have been tens of thousands of Americans who say, no!
Fauci, go to hell!
I'm an American!
I have the right to feed my children!
You will not mask my children!
Go to hell!
Or even better, go to prison.
Now is the time to take back not only our nation, but our culture and our civilization.
And if you're not politically engaged, if you're not running for office or helping somebody run for office, they will do it again.
Be part of the solution, because we are the last hope of humanity.
God bless you, every single one of you.
Thank you to the schlaps, to the American Conservative Union.
And I think we have to send a little selfie to the boss.
Tell him that you're ready for his speech.
Will you get up and say, let's go Brandon!
Let's go Brandon!
Let's go Brandon!
What an amazing crowd.
Thank you to the Schlapps.
That was my speech from CPAC.
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Mic's on.
Cut five.
What's the number one investigation you think the House Republicans should put forward and pursue if they were to take back?
Three?
Three.
Okay.
I'm not trying to dodge names, but they're three critically important.
What are you?
All the lies from misinformation and disinformation from Fauci and the CDC, that needs to be done.
Because they knew from the get-go that this thing came from a lab, likely came from a lab, gain-of-function likely done, and that our tax dollars were going to use them up.
So that's one.
Second is the border.
This is intentional.
This is deliberate.
There's no other...
You put your headphones on, Jeff.
You want the Kamala Harris thing?
So we have to investigate the border situation.
Two million illegals crossing our border in one year is just wrong.
And then third is the weaponization of the DOJ and parts of government to go specifically against parents.
Can you put your headphones on, Jeff?
Do you want the Kamala Harris thing?
Oh, yes.
Is it ready?
It's audio, right?
It's video.
It's video?
It's just that still.
Good.
Isn't that good?
First of all, and she's like on a speakerphone too, and it's just ridiculous.
Where was that?
Do you know that Jordan thing?
Some radio show.
Let me try and figure it out.
No, it's just the news, but there's some kind of event in the background.
Oh, that right there?
That was the thing that we didn't go to, the State of the Union thing.
They were trying to get people out there for it.
It was variable.
Tell me when it's ready.
You want to come in with it?
No, I want to tee it up.
Yeah, I have it ready.
All right, 20 seconds.
Bye-bye.
This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
All right earlier today I saw something a picture of Kamala Harris with a quote from her written next to her and I thought It's not real.
She can't be that dumb.
And then I found the audio.
This is Kamala Harris on World War 3.
Play cuts.
If you're watching any level of news, even social media, you're seeing everything that's going on right now in the Ukraine.
Break it down in layman's terms for people who don't understand what's going on and how can this directly affect the people of the United States.
So, Ukraine is a country in Europe.
It exists next to another country called Russia.
Russia is a bigger country.
Russia is a powerful country.
Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine.
So, basically that's wrong.
She could be the president, guys.
Did you realize that?
That's incredible.
Ukraine is in Europe.
It's next to Russia.
Russia is bigger.
And Russia invaded Ukraine.
And that's bad.
Do you realise if Biden, on his way to the State of the Union, if he steps up to the podium, trips, falls down, becomes unconscious and goes into a coma, do you realise that she's in charge?
That woman is in charge of the nuclear forces in America.
She becomes the Commander-in-Chief if the President is incapacitated!
One more time, just for good measure, this is Kamala Harris on World War 3.
If you're watching any level of news, even social media, you're seeing everything that's going on right now in the Ukraine.
Break it down in layman's terms for people who don't understand what's going on and how can this directly affect the people of the United States.
So Ukraine is a country in Europe.
It exists next to another country called Russia.
Russia is a bigger country.
Russia is a powerful country.
Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine.
So basically that's wrong.
I need some help.
I'm out of words.
Mr. G, comment, react.
I'm still looking forward to becoming president.
I think it's going to happen.
I really do.
What's going to happen to us?
How can you say you're looking forward to it?
Like that's any better?
Biden is any better?
But she's so dumb!
He was always dumb and now he's lost it.
Oh my gosh.
What is The Morning Hustle?
Have you ever heard of The Morning Hustle?
I don't know.
I have no idea.
Because Biden was on that other one yesterday that nobody's ever heard of.
The podcast?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it was called... Something Cohen's Podcast, right?
No, it was about living with mental decline.
It's the Prevagen show.
It must have been the Prevagen show.
Guys, I just want to amuse you, but it's scary, right?
That woman could be in charge.
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What's really happening in Ukraine?
What's the situation of the ethnic Russians?
You're gonna talk to somebody who is an ethnic Russian.
You're gonna hear somebody who comes from the Ukraine.
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Germany is the captain of Russia because they supplied it.
They got rid of their coal plants.
They got rid of their nuclear.
They're getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia.
You take a look at some of the countries, they won't accept it because they don't want to be captive to Russia.
But Germany, as far as I'm concerned, is captive to Russia because it's getting so much of its energy from Russia.
So we're supposed to protect Germany, but they're getting their energy from Russia.
Explain that.
And it can't be explained.
You know that.
It can't be explained.
You know that.
That was President Trump, my old boss, back at the NATO summit, speaking the truth like no other statesman, July 2018.
And now we are seeing what that division, that reliance upon Putin's energy sector means to a weakened alliance.
Let's talk about the crisis.
Let's talk about the human cost of that crisis and try and explain to those living here in America, our millions of listeners and viewers across the nation, what you need to know about Russia, Ukraine and that former KGB colonel.
I am delighted.
Welcome to America First, the co-host of one of my favorite podcasts out there, right up there with Andrew Clayton.
It is trigonometry.
He is Constantine Kissin, the partner in crime of Francis Foster.
Constantine, welcome back to America First.
Seb, good to be with you again.
So, first things first, you are from that part of the world, you're an ethnic Russian, Jewish heritage, you've lived in the Ukraine.
First question first, how is your family faring?
Well, my family are okay for the moment, but I expect that several of my cousins, the men, will go and fight in the next few days.
So I'm worried, of course, for their safety.
But one of the things I'm sure we'll talk about is how the Ukrainians are fighting back against this.
And there's a very strong spirit of determination.
People don't want to be cowered by this.
They're fighting back.
But of course, when you fight, there are casualties.
So we're all hoping that they're going to be OK.
All right, so as soon as we've had this discussion with you, and thank you for sparing so much time to join us today, I'm going to post on my Twitter feed, my Facebook, my Truth Social, you name it, the incredible hour and a half long interview that your partner, your co-host did with you, that Francis Foster did with you a few days ago.
I learned so much.
It was heavy.
It was heartfelt.
It was a glimpse into your soul, into the soul of your family members in that benighted part of the world.
Before we talk about some of the key takeaways from that discussion, tell us about your family, about where you were born, where you grew up, where your family had to move to, and how you have this connection to Eastern Europe today.
Well, I, as you said, I'm originally from Russia.
Actually, my mother is Ukrainian.
I have family on the Ukrainian side.
My wife is Ukrainian, but she is mixed and she probably has more Russian blood than I do.
And that's kind of reflective of that part of the world.
There's a lot of people who are in mixed families.
This idea that these two nations are completely, you know, split apart isn't entirely accurate.
And so my connection to the region is very strong.
I lived in Russia for many years.
I lived in Uzbekistan.
I lived in Ukraine.
I lived all over the former Soviet Union.
And by the way, I have family members on both sides of this conflict.
I have family members who are very happy with what's going on, believe it or not.
I have family members who are terrified and are fighting back against what's going on.
So it's a complicated issue.
There are many, many millions of people actually in the same position as me in that their families are split up in this way.
And it's an overall human tragedy.
But I think, Seb, you know, of course, your American listeners will have a lot of compassion for what's happening in Ukraine.
But I actually think the most important piece of this is what the impact of this will be on the Western world, certainly for us to talk about.
I think that's really important as well.
One of the massive take-homes of your discussion with your colleague is the civilizational ramifications of what we are witnessing right now.
We will discuss those.
Let's start with trying to cast away illusions as to what's going on.
I've heard from those who have connections to the region that it's not obvious.
You know, not all ethnic Russians in Ukraine are pro-Vlad, and not all ethnic Ukrainians are, you know, ready to grab an AK and shoot Russians.
It's more complicated than that.
Will you explain why Ukraine, why the mythos of Rodina, of the motherland of the Rus people, is so intimately tied with Kiev?
This isn't just You know, stopping EU and NATO membership for Zelensky.
This is this is a deeply historically and the nation itself has deep propaganda value for the Kremlin, does it not?
Well, the history of Russia, of the modern Russian state, originally dates back to the ninth century when a bunch of Vikings came over and they started essentially a trading post or a colony in what now since then has become Kiev.
And that is where the entire history of that part of the world originates from.
And since then, there have been various historic shapes, shape-shifting and changes and borders and all sorts of things.
And Ukraine has always been a piece that has been disputed by a bunch of local empires, whether that was the Russian Empire, whether it was the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, whether it was Poland, all of these nations had an influence in that region.
And Ukraine had always been fought over by the different sides.
But of course, there are other things.
And one of the reasons I was able to predict that the invasion would happen, that it wouldn't be limited to the two so-called breakaway regions in the East, was because Vladimir Putin told us exactly how he sees it.
And I encourage all of your viewers and listeners to go and find a good translation of the speech he gave on the eve of the invasion.
Because in it, he lays out exactly his vision, and his vision is very simple.
He believes that at some point during the existence of the Soviet Union, Weak leaders like Vladimir Lenin and Nikita Khrushchev and others made a series of weak decisions that split the Russian people, that split off a piece of the Russian nation and glued it together, as he says, with portions of what used to be Poland and Hungary in the West.
And so from that, it was immediately obvious that he essentially sees eastern Ukraine and almost certainly central Ukraine, including Kiev and other cities around as part of the Russian historic nation which he is quite keen to rebuild and he says in terms in that speech that we cannot abide and be held down by the decisions made by these weak leaders during Soviet times
he also says that you know Ukraine has gone through this process of decommunization getting rid of Soviet era statues Soviet era street names etc well he says in a very aggressive way if you want decommunization will show you decommunization and what he means by that is we're going to essentially undo the creation of the state of Ukraine and
And beyond that it's not just this faux history lecture and please we will post that as well you need to read this propaganda piece of reinvented history that says Ukraine is an illegitimate state it never was a real state it's also this allegation and yes Ukraine is a corrupt nation it has problems and there are some extremists but there is this justification that
He is Vladimir Putin is stopping the Nazis from continuing the genocide of Russians in Ukraine, correct?
That is what he is claiming.
And one of the things that I want to link into in terms of the West here is we've spent the last 10 years running around calling each other Nazis, everything, everyone's a Nazi.
Everyone's a white supremacist and people are watching.
It's not like... Seb, you and I have been talking about this for God knows how long.
People are watching what we do.
And when they see that we run around calling people Nazis because they voted for a different president or they voted for Brexit, as I didn't, by the way, right?
But nonetheless, when they see that language is being debased in this way, they go, OK, this works.
Let's start making up words ourselves.
So that's why, yes, there is a problem with extremists in a very small part of Ukraine.
historically speaking, who joined the Germans when they invaded the Soviet Union, but is by no means representative of what's happened in Ukraine.
And on all these other things, I mean, to call it a genocide is, you know, I just don't think that's accurate at all.
But of course, as we've seen in the West, you know, if you want to be...
You said in your interview that if there was a genocide of Russians in Ukraine, your family would know about it, right, Konstantin?
Well, my family are Russian-speaking people in the southeast and the northeast of Ukraine, and even those of them who are pro-Putin wouldn't claim there's a genocide going on at all.
There are also religious factors here, and I have to confess, Seb, I think I've underestimated The importance of religion.
I spent a bunch of time watching Russian TV over the last few days to try and get a flavor of what people are being told there and what is going on.
And one of the things that shocked me, someone who obviously comes from that part of the world but hasn't been back for some time, is how much religion has become a centerpiece of the conversation.
You now see the Russian state media and Vladimir Putin himself talking about the splitting of the church in Ukraine, which is an issue that some people care about.
There's all sorts of dimensions to this which I'm afraid are not being covered in the Western media either.
And I think until we start to grasp some of these issues we're not going to understand what's going on.
It's like September the 11th, a huge ignorance when it comes to the Arab world, to Islam.
We are suffering from that again and we're forgetting the lessons of the Cold War.
He goes by KK, he is Konstantin Kisin, follow him on Twitter.
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Let's talk, Konstantin, about the man responsible for all of this.
I have called this, you know, hashtag Biden's war because without the disastrous surrender in Afghanistan, you don't have Vladimir Putin do what he's doing in Ukraine.
But the man who actually gave the orders in the Kremlin is, of course, Vladimir Putin.
My thing is strategy.
That's what I did for President Trump.
That's what I've been teaching for more than 20 years.
But I'm not a Sovietologist.
My parents escaped Central Europe during the revolution in 1956, but my Russian is limited.
So let's talk about who this man is.
For me, he's determined.
He's a former KGB colonel.
That tells you something about his socialization.
He wasn't a good one because the good ones get posted to Washington or the court of St.
James or Paris.
He was posted to Germany and not West Berlin but East Berlin.
So he was a third-tier Siloviki of the KGB.
So he has something to compensate for.
But his tactics don't evince Massive, deep, strategic thinking.
This isn't a Machiavelli or a Sun Tzu.
It's the ancient Soviet fashion whereby, to use a phrase, you affix bayonets and you plunge the bayonet into the belly of your adversary until you feel steel.
If there is no resistance, you continue to push.
So a lot of the trajectory of this crisis will depend upon how he is responded to by the Ukrainian people and by NATO and others.
What else do we need to know about the head of state of Russia today in terms of why he is doing what he's doing and how far he's going to push it, Konstantin?
Well, the first thing I would say, Seb, I think I would caution you and your listeners against underestimating Vladimir Putin.
He's a smart, very smart man, a very pragmatic, and of course, when you're dealing in geopolitics, the complete absence of morality is a strength, not a weakness, right?
So, that is a set of tools that, when put together, can be quite potent.
The other thing I think we should say is, based on the speech that he gave, he spent a lot of time talking about NATO, he spent a lot of time talking about the expansion of NATO eastwards.
And essentially, people, again, in the West haven't really been told this, but he was essentially claiming that the West was about to attack.
He talked about how the Ukrainians are attempting to acquire nuclear weapons.
He talked about how if that were to happen, they would immediately launch an offensive to retake the eastern regions and Crimea.
So, you know, I think we shouldn't underestimate him.
I also don't think we should underestimate, and this is not unique to Vladimir Putin, the paranoia that Russian leaders have around Western influence in their region and expansion.
I mean, I mean, if you imagine what it would be like if, let's say, the President of the United States believed that the Russians were arming Mexico with nuclear weapons, that's the sort of situation that you're dealing with.
So you've got to understand, of course, we in the West think of America, or some of us at least, think of America as this benevolent hegemon.
That's not how it's seen in Russia or in China.
They believe that this hostile power is expanding onto their territory.
And it's the classic narrative from the Cold War that they are encircled.
I mean, this has been the Kremlin's narrative for decades, that the West, NATO, America and her allies have encircled the Rodina, the motherland, correct?
Yeah, well, I think he certainly feels that.
And, you know, whether that is accurate, you tell me, you probably know better.
Is America planning to put nukes into Ukraine?
No.
Ukraine is not deemed to be a stable nation.
So absolutely not.
And the point about the narratives, the combating narratives... Can I just doff my hat to this man?
So I'm at CPAC and it's insanity.
We had 36 guests in two days.
It's 18,000 people.
And I get a call from him and I'm going to take that call.
Why?
Because this individual who has a very successful, excellent podcast that talks the truth, that has, what do you say, fascinating people talking about interesting things, I think is your tagline.
Honest conversations.
Try to be honest as well.
I think that helps.
Honest conversations with fascinating people.
And you just were on the road somewhere and you just wanted to talk to me.
And I heard you on your interview say that you had consulted with somebody else.
Very, very few hosts, at least on this side of the pond, when you get to a certain level, think that they need to not just have guests on their show, but take Time off air to consult with people whose opinions they hold valuable.
So Konstantin Kisil, my forelock is tugged and we doff our caps to you for taking the time to do that.
Let's talk about when it comes to narrative.
So the NATO narrative is very clear.
You can join NATO if you are a stable nation who upholds certain values domestically, such as representative government.
And the metric is very simple.
Do you contribute to the collective defense of the alliance?
That's been the metric since 1949.
It's not you will be subsumed by another nation like the Warsaw Pact did with its so-called friends and allies.
And it is not about attacking other countries.
It's defending them based upon Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.
But of course, that's seen differently by Putin.
Let's look at the flip side, Konstantin.
Let's look at Ukraine.
Let's look at the prime minister, the president, Zelensky, this comedian, this actor, the capabilities of that country.
It is not irrelevant to the future survival of this nation and the way that this crisis unfolds, that 8 million Ukrainians were starved to death in the Holomodor by Stalin.
As a result is it true to say that this nation has a willingness to fight Russians?
It's difficult because the nation is… I don't know if it's divided, but there are different views.
It's diverse.
Yeah, exactly.
We use that word finally and it's correct.
In its correct term, it is diverse.
There are people who see things in different ways.
But I think it has been clear from the recent days that There is a very strong steeled core in Ukraine of people who are no longer willing to put up with this invasion.
I think what has happened is the 2014 annexation of Crimea and Russia starting a civil war in eastern Ukraine took everyone by surprise and they were not able to mount an effective resistance at that time.
What has happened since though is Ukraine has understood uh, what is coming.
I think there were probably under very few illusions as to what the future held for them.
They've been training, they've been preparing with Western help to repel further Russian aggression.
And now we're starting to see, uh, that Russian supply columns are getting taken out.
Uh, the, the, the military has got bogged down.
Uh, and I think that is essentially where the solution to this crisis potentially lies, where if Ukraine puts up a strong resistance, that can bring everybody to the, to the negotiating table.
Because, Seb, you know, one of the things I think it is important, while of course we condemn what is happening, we also have to remember that this is an existential crisis, not only for the West, it's also existential for the people running Russia.
They know there is no way back after this.
They know they're not going to be accepted into the international community with open arms after what they've done.
And what that means is we have to offer them some kind of what you call in military strategy a golden bridge.
There has to be a way for them to come out of this.
There has to be a way for them to save face because if they feel that, you know, they're ending up at the Hague at the end of this or at the end of a noose, That is not a good place for anyone to be because you don't know what's going to happen in that situation.
Meaning the reference to Milosevic and the extremism of the Balkan Wars.
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Constantine, one of the most, not shocking, but kind of sobering aspects of your long interview with your colleague Francis.
was how serious it was.
Not just the candor, but the weight of the conversation.
Will you talk to us about the civilizational aspects?
You said, and we can discuss this on your show or what have you, that NATO is dead, it's over, this is the test of all tests.
Why does the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
Why does it actually pose a civilizational threat?
Not simply in terms of, you know, the doomsday scenario of nuclear war, but because of the challenge to the values we say we represent and whether we're serious about them.
Well, I think it's even broader than that, perhaps, Seb.
You know, I've been talking about this for many years.
Look, the West is engaged in naval gazing and is obsessed about internal divisions and things that frankly in my opinion don't matter we spend more time talking about pronouns and bathrooms and we do about the serious stuff of politics and as a result of that our enemies and by the way remember we do have enemies or at least strategic adversaries like China and Russia they are watching and not only are they watching
they are helping to accelerate those destructive processes in our society and so as we become more and more distracted it means that we take eye off the ball you You've got to remember that politicians are human.
If Donald Trump spends the entirety of his presidential term having to defend himself against false allegations of Russia collusion, that is necessarily energy that could have been used to deal with other things.
And the more all of our politicians are forced to spend their time talking about these internal divides, The less we're able to concentrate on asserting our dominance around the world, which I think is absolutely what the West should be doing.
Because if we don't, someone else will.
And this is the point that I think I make in that interview.
Look, a lot of people are against the West going around and getting involved in foreign conflicts, as I am.
But I think what you've also got to remember is You know, it's either us or someone else who's going to be leading the dance.
And if you don't, if you step back, if you withdraw, then Russia and China are going to expand.
And that's exactly what's happening.
I mean, it's not like this has come out of the blue.
I'm amazed that people are surprised that this has happened.
I've been warning about for years.
Look at China.
China is actually the bigger threat here.
And China has spent this entire time expanding into the South China Sea.
You know, look at what they did to the protesters in Hong Kong to absolutely no reaction from the West, really.
You know, other than thoughts and prayers that we always send.
And, you know, you can talk about the concentration camps and whatever else you want.
So this is a sign that our strategic adversaries are willing to test our resolve.
They're willing to say, look, you think this country should be democratic and Western-oriented?
Well, we don't think so.
We want to go back to 2014, when we had a puppet Russian government that we told what to do, and they did everything exactly the way we wanted.
And we want to go back to that time.
When they talk about, we want Ukraine to be a neutral state, that's what they mean.
They mean we want a puppet Russian government to fabricate selection results.
Like Belarus.
They want the same kind of puppet regime as there is in Belarus.
Yeah, exactly.
The one thing I disagree with you in that interview, I'd love to debate on your show, that there is a moral content to this.
You said it's not good versus bad.
Yeah, I think it is, but we can save that for a later discussion.
However, I want to ask you as a British citizen, Are you buoyed?
Because I was impressed the day after the speech given in Parliament by Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer, where Boris said, we're going to help the Ukrainians.
And then Starmer, the opposition leader, says, I am fully behind the Conservatives.
You know, this is a Labour opposition.
He said, yes, we're going to help them.
2,000 British troops already deployed to the Baltic states.
Did that make you feel that at least somebody in the West, if it's not Biden, is standing Yes, but Seb, as you well know, you're a pragmatic man and a realistic man.
I mean it doesn't really matter what the UK does or what France does or what Germany does.
But it's a good signal, it's a good signal.
It is a good signal but this is all about the United States, right?
Sadly it is and we have a man who said nothing for 18 hours, was an hour late to even give his first and only press conference to date and even then took no questions.
We will be hearing Momentarily, today, his State of the Union address and it was actually a news item from his press secretary yesterday that yes, he will be mentioning the invasion of Ukraine in his State of the Union.
Unbelievable, like a Monty Python skit or an SNL skit.
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I don't know how apropos it is for the third time to mention how much I enjoyed the interview that Kostantin did on his podcast.
Well, I don't care because it's not just about me.
It's about other people who know stuff and share that knowledge.
You can watch it.
I'm going to post it right after we have this chat.
One of the things, if you don't mind, I didn't ask your permission, but I'm going to ask you the question I privately asked you in a DM after I watched your program.
One of the things that just was so amazing to me That is somebody who's lived in the stands in Russia, in Ukraine.
How old were you when you arrived in the UK, Constantine?
11.
11?
Oh my gosh.
That you so clearly advanced the values of Western civilization and understood the values that create non-productive corrupt countries.
And I want to ask you this because, you know, it's so impressive to me as a child of those who escaped, who lived under fascism as children and then were persecuted under communism and then escaped in the revolution of 1956 in Hungary.
Will you share with our listeners and viewers how you have the clarity and the moral clarity that you do today?
Tell us about some of the things that your family has experienced.
Well, it's very simple, Seb.
In Russian, we say everything is understood in comparison.
And if you know what to compare Western values to, if you have some frame of reference, if you've been outside and you lived outside and your family have, then it's very easy to see and to make the choice.
In terms of my own family, my grandmother, alive today, lives here in the UK.
She was born in the Gulag.
She was born in the Soviet concentration camp for political prisoners.
She was put there because, it's a long story, I talk about it in my upcoming book, An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West, but basically both her parents had met there.
Both her parents had, so her, my grandmother's mother, was only there because she went and inquired after her husband, Who'd been killed by the Chakar, by the KGB, the predecessor to the KGB.
And so she went to find out what happened to him, and they went, oh, you're his wife, okay, let's give you five years in the camp.
And so she ended up in the camp, her husband murdered by the state, and there she met another man, and that's how my grandmother was born.
So she was born in a gulag.
And that's just one side of my family.
And down the other side of my family, my grandmother, who, Her family were called kulaks, these are rich peasants in Ukraine.
I wouldn't say rich, I would say... I'm about to, yes, yes.
Sorry, sorry, go ahead.
Yes, they were rich in that they had a horse.
They had a horse and that made, that was their crime and for that they were deported to Siberia, sent off as a family and my grandmother's brother, little brother starved to death On the way, as did millions of other people starving to death in the Holodomor that you mentioned at the beginning of the program.
So I have a very extensive family experience of what happens in these regimes.
And I think that once you have that, once you've been through that, I talk about all of this in the book in more detail.
It makes it very difficult to see the things that people complain about in the West or think that are unfair and wrong.
In that same light, you know, we're incredibly blessed and fortunate to live in the societies that we live in.
And that's why, you know, I'm not, you know, you are a, you've nailed your colors to the mast.
I was never a huge fan of your former boss, as you say.
But I, you know, I understand that what we have in the West is precious.
And sometimes that means that we are going to have to defend it against people who want to take it away from us.
And what that means is we cannot continue to celebrate And reward weakness.
We must have leaders who are strong.
Now, I would hope that the leaders we have are strong and sensible and talk in ways that are easy for people to hear, but if the choice is between a weakling and a strong leader, I'm afraid in situations like this we do need people who are going to stand up For our values.
Yeah, we had, you know, mean tweets for four years and the world was safe and Russia didn't invade anybody.
So what is the phrase Shakespeare used?
Rough men, rude men.
We need those sometimes to save our civilization.
He's Constantine Kissing.
Let's put the book up on the screen, Eric.
It has been finished.
I'm so impressed.
I think it's your first book, correct, Constantine?
It is.
I'm very pleased.
It's available to pre-order now.
And it will be out on July the 14th.
So I'm really looking forward to it.
I've talked a lot about the history of my family and those sort of things, but also the modern West, what I see is happening.
And actually, I wrote a preface that I ended up deleting, but I've now added back into the book in which I essentially predict pretty much everything that's happened.
I talk about how if we don't remember our values and how important they are, There are very bad things coming down the pipeline, and I'm afraid we're starting to see.
And that's why I believe, Seb, and I truly believe this, that what we've seen in Ukraine in the last few days is merely the beginning of a process.
Unless we arrest the Western managed decline, this is the one thing that President Trump talked about it, we cannot allow the West, particularly America, to decline.
That is not what we want.
And if we allow that to continue, This is just the beginning.
People are going to realize we're weak and they're going to take advantage of it.
This is why he ran, because he rejected the elite on both sides.
The elite's conclusion that America, the job of the elite and the politicians and bureaucracy is to manage our decline.
Donald Trump said no, and he stopped it for four years.
The book is soon to be published.
It's already available for pre-order.
Where do they go?
Do they go to ConstantineKissing.com or Amazon?
Where can they get it, Constantine?
Go straight to Amazon and it's there.
If you follow me on Twitter, the link is in my profile as well.
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You have been incredibly successful with your video podcasts with Francis Foster Trigonometry.
Please guys, I'm not kidding, I watch every single episode.
You need to subscribe, you need to watch, check out their Locals channel at trigonometry.locals.com, correct?
Yes, that's right, I think so.
And you started, you know, you blew up onto the media because you were forced or somebody wanted you to sign some asinine contract about not offending anybody in your comedy routine at a student comedy hour.
And you said, no, comedy is meant to offend people and I'm not doing it.
So you've been waging a war against idiocy and political correctness.
Let's talk about how the recent events before Ukraine, how serious is the threat?
When you see people getting, you know, judicial sentences in the UK for saying the wrong thing that offended somebody, and when you see the COVID camps, you've got your famous phrase on your podcast, Get in the camp from Australia.
And when you see the events, you know, people being prosecuted for giving $10 to the Freedom Trucker Convoy in Canada, how serious is the situation in our civilization?
Well, I think it's extremely serious, which is why, as someone who considers myself a liberal in what I think is the traditional sense, I am so opposed to it.
Because, Seb, you've got to understand, and this is something not enough people are understanding at the moment, these things are not disconnected from each other.
The events in Ukraine are not disconnected from us undermining our values at home.
If we no longer believe in the values that we hold and we are no longer truly democratic and we no longer truly believe in free speech, our ability to defend our values elsewhere is completely gone.
This is the point I've been trying to make for a very long time.
If we think that we are the most evil people in the history of the world, if we're all racist, we're all bigoted, we're all prejudiced, we all hate each other, why on earth would we go and say to other people, come and join the Western democratic liberal family, come and join the come and join the Western democratic liberal family, come and join the Trade with us.
Share with us.
Look at our values.
They are good.
The freedom to speak your mind is a good thing.
That's how you get technological and scientific progress.
The freedom to see and speak and believe what you want to believe is valuable because it prevents us from descending into these conflicts.
That we resolve our conflicts by talking about them, right?
These are all valuable things.
And if we no longer believe them, we no longer believe that you can go and protest about something.
And by the way, there's a hypocrisy to be talked about here as well, which I'm sure you've covered, which is there are some protests that are allowed.
They can close stores and burn things down.
There are other protests that are immediately designated as domestic terrorists and shut down, and they do this whenever anyone tries to challenge the establishment narrative.
That's the problem we've got to address, because if we don't, Seb, this ain't gonna be about Ukraine anymore.
This is coming.
This is a big problem, and we've got to address it.
What a clarion call!
What utter clarity!
It's really like mathematics.
It's so clear.
If you don't believe in your community, if you're not prepared to stand up for that community's values, somebody will exploit that and somebody will destroy that community.
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One last question and then we will release you, Konstantin.
You recently, I think it was one of your raw interviews, it's when you interview each other or you talk about your own personal, you don't do the news stuff, what do you call that?
Raw shows, yeah.
Yeah, the Raw show.
So you did the Raw show.
You've done a couple of those.
And you did one recently where you spoke about your experience in the last three, four years doing the podcast.
And it's clearly not been easy.
I think Francis especially was very, he unburdened himself of the cost you have paid professionally as comedians for standing up to political correctness and wokeness and everything else.
Can I ask you, because this is a different audience for you, this is a different demographic, I know a lot of your viewership, I mean you have global viewership and you can see from the donations you receive and the PayPals and everything, but this is a different audience hopefully.
What is your message to the millions of listeners and viewers here on America First about the cost you've paid and why it is so vitally important to never censor yourself in the face of all that we have witnessed in the last few years?
You know Seb, it would be very easy for me to sit here and try and make a victim of myself and this happened and these people don't talk to me and I didn't get this and I didn't get that.
I don't think about it in that way at all.
I think we made a stand for something that we believed in.
And in my experience in life, generally speaking, if you make a stand on something you believe in and you're right, that will hurt you in the short term.
You will be punished for it.
People will wag their finger and call you names and tell you that you must sit down and shut up.
But if your cause is just, if what you're saying is true and if you're right, then there are other people out there who will reward you, who will support you, who will push you forward and go together with you.
And that is what we found.
You know, I am not a victim of life.
This is why this whole victimhood narrative Annoys me so much.
I'm a first generation dark-skinned immigrant in Britain.
I've made my home here.
I've made a great life here because the opportunities are here.
I know that in America the situation is exactly the same.
I refuse to be a victim and I want people out there to know if you think that what is happening is wrong and you want to speak out against it.
Yes, it will hurt in the short term, but in the long term we all have a duty to make sure that we preserve the things that got us where we are and those things are freedom of speech, Freedom of expression, the ability to communicate our ideas without being dismissed, without being labeled, without being smeared, without being called names.
And I think that's really what all we're trying to do.
I'm, you know, I'm not on the right or on the left.
I'm probably somewhere in the center politically, but all I'm trying to do and Francis and I are trying to do is two things.
Number one, rebuild the Western tradition of honest discussion and debate and robust discussion and debate that does not descend into name calling.
And all of that.
And the other thing is to remind people in the West, because I'm, as I said, an immigrant.
My co-host Francis's mother is an immigrant, like your family.
We're trying to remind people in the West that what we have here is good.
What we have here is precious.
And whether you're left, up, down, center, right, or whatever you are, we've got to remember the good that we have in our society and defend it against people who want to destroy it.
Beautifully put.
I think that should be a book.
I think it should be called An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West.
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Tell Frances to lay off the biscuits.
I mean the British biscuits, guys.
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