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Jan. 11, 2022 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Biden's even too toxic for Stacey Abrams

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	City Council Member Vicki Palladino says she'll never disclose if she's vaccinated against COVID.
	I don't need to show you my papers.
	This is not Nazi Germany.
	Boom!
	Drop that mic.
	Wow.
	That's a New York City Councilwoman Vicky Palladino.
	We need more like that.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	This is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka.
	I don't know.
	Maybe I'm just too close to the fire.
	Maybe I don't have the requisite perspective broadcasting as we do from the swamp.
	I think something's happening.
	I think something may be happening.
	People have had enough.
	Why?
	Because even if you're not political, you've had a feeling, you've had your spider sense tingle for over a year that you're just being lied to.
	Not only that, the people who are lying to you incessantly, inordinately, every single day and double at the weekends, want to control your life with restrictions that have no basis in reality.
	We just found out from the CDC, I don't think hiring that Democrat strategist did a lot of good for Ms.
	Walensky.
	Because she's saying things I don't think she means to admit to.
	Such as the fact that 40% of those who are in hospital counted as COVID cases aren't there because of COVID.
	They're there because they broke their leg or were concussed at the football game.
	That's the latest admission.
	Until we have this one.
	Now we have the morbidity issue.
	How sick are people in the hospitals and what are they truly sick from?
	This is Rochelle Walensky.
	Cut four.
	The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75 percent, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities.
	So really these are people who were unwell to begin with.
	So what's the real figure then?
	We've got to get Dr. McCullough back.
	Let's have him on the show.
	Let's do a whole hour with Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the handful of doctors who is telling the truth.
	Actual practitioners, not people who've been sitting on their tuckers in some bureaucratic job for 37 years, like the little fascist Fauci.
	37 years he's been the director.
	And he's taking home $413,000 of your dollars every year as the bureaucrat.
	He's just about to retire and get $350,000.
	Retirement?
	That's theft!
	That's what that is.
	These people aren't doctors.
	They're not practitioners.
	And they're telling us finally the truth.
	Is it collapsing like a house of cards?
	Well, there are certain journalists who see that and are prepared to call it out.
	And I don't mean Joe Rogan.
	We can discuss Joe Rogan because I think he has become a phenomena, a guy who, what is he?
	He's a former MMA fighter, a host of, what was it?
	Fear Factor, that reality show.
	And now he's the most influential provider of actual real information.
	With his interviews for hours at length with individuals like Dr. McCullough, individuals like Dr. Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.
	Who's doing three-hour interviews in the legacy media?
	By the way, when it comes to legacy media, you know, guys, I'm with Newsmax, okay?
	Fox royally, royally messed up when they called the election for Biden in Arizona.
	And there are serious, serious issues.
	with Fox.
	I don't know if it can be salvaged.
	However, I'm not going to disrespect everybody there because Tucker, he's got stones.
	Okay.
	And I have to congratulate I texted him right now.
	And I see on my my Google.
	What is it the alerts?
	Media Matters got tied in a knot and quoted me because what did I do?
	I congratulated Jesse Watters.
	Jesse Watters after months of this silly rotation of the hosts at 7 p.m.
	He's got it!
	He's got the 7 p.m.
	slot.
	He will be the new permanent host of the Jesse Watters show.
	And what is Media Matters?
	Are you watching?
	The guys in your basement?
	Was it that what he just says?
	They're typing in the basement as their mummy brings them Hot Pockets.
	That image!
	Media matters with their mummy bringing them Hot Pockets as they're typing in the basement along with what's-his-face Saki thingy squeaky voice.
	Media matters.
	This is the headline.
	This is so good.
	Fox News names misinformation machine Jesse Waters.
	Oh really?
	Oh really?
	Because Rachel Maddow, she's like, what, a purveyor of the truth.
	I bet, I bet they fancy, I bet, I bet those beta males of Media Matters actually fancy Rachel Maddow, despite the fact that, you know, you know, you know.
	Yes, they still probably do.
	They probably think she's cute.
	That haircut is so cute.
	A woman who... What did she say?
	What's that cut we had?
	Yes, let's play that cut again.
	Okay, this is Rachel Maddow.
	This is going to be an evergreen.
	Let's put it on my Insta replay machine in front of me.
	Because this is what she said about the magic power of vaccines.
	Cut one from yesterday.
	Instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person to person, spreading and spreading, sickening some of them, but not all of them, and the ones that it doesn't sicken don't know they have it, and then they give it to even more people because they didn't recognize they were... Right?
	Instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person, potentially mutating and becoming more virulent and drug-resistant along the way, now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.
	A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus.
	The virus does not infect them.
	The virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else.
	It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people.
	That means the vaccines will get us to the end of this.
	Or not, because we have reports of up to 40% of the people who are in hospital with the breakout infections have been vaccinated.
	I guess that makes you not so much of a journalist.
	But there are those who are true journalists who are calling out people like Rochelle Walensky, Rachel Maddow and others, and even people on the Supreme Court.
	We need to get her back on this show.
	Megyn Kelly, cut three.
	What's happening here is one far lefty trying to minimize the embarrassment of another.
	But that is not Rochelle Walensky's job.
	She's supposed to be loyal to the truth.
	She's supposed to represent us.
	She's supposed to give it to us straight.
	Not act as the PR hack of liberal icon Sonia Sotomayor.
	But she refuses to just be honest.
	And here, it is not her own COVID hawk hysteria motivating her.
	It's her partisanship.
	And we know it.
	Bingo, bingo, bingo.
	These people don't think they work for us.
	They don't care that we pay their salaries.
	They're flaks.
	They're hacks.
	They're propagandists.
	They've got a cover for that cretin in the Supreme Court, Sotomayor, and her lies about 100,000 children being hospitalized right now with COVID.
	It's not your job, but it's slipping.
	We're seeing behind the curtain, and Americans are waking up.
	There will be a price to pay!
	There will be a serious price to pay, because now nobody trusts anybody in government, so if there's a real, real threat, well, you know.
	The kid cried wolf far too many times.
	But it's better for us to see who they really are.
	What is with the Supreme Court?
	Where's the decision?
	I thought Sunday!
	What's supposed to be the decision on the mandate?
	It's Tuesday.
	What's going on?
	What do you think?
	Give us a call.
	833-33 Gawker.
	Tell us whether you trust anyone on the Supreme Court.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	We have an amazing slate of guests today, including none other than Marjorie Taylor Greene and a whole hour With that British brain, Douglas Murray, Robert Wilkie, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, and on and on and on.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, you don't want to miss a second.
	Don't touch that dial.
	music Um... Rasput.
	America first, old man.
	- Mic's are back on.
	- Um... - Um... - Uh... - Rice vote.
	- America first, hold on. - And Gorka.
	Do you remember what it was?
	It was something about Johnny Six, right?
	Yeah, it was I wonder what Ray Epps is doing today.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	Okay, good, good, good, good, good, good, good.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, he was he was confirmed OMB.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Why is that a cabinet position?
	That's weird.
	Why is that called a cabinet position?
	You don't call the director of the EPA a member of the cabinet, do you?
	And why on earth is Fox showcasing Kelly Loeffler again?
	Oh my, are you serious?
	I knew she was a horrible candidate.
	The moment she got appointed, then after the insider trading thing, I'm like, she's gonna lose the job.
	Mic's off.
	I'll put you on hold and come back to you then.
	I saw. I saw.
	I saw.
	Making sense out of today's news, here's Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	I'm sorry, it was just too good, that little nine-second clip we started the show with.
	I want to hear it again because that's the way we take back America.
	This is New York City Councilwoman Vicky Palladino.
	Cut nine.
	City Councilmember Vicky Palladino says she'll never disclose if she's vaccinated against COVID.
	I don't need to show you my papers.
	This is not Nazi Germany.
	Boom!
	Love it!
	Let's post that video.
	It's so good, so good, so good.
	If you have had enough, if you want to get out there and show the world what you think of the China virus and the lockdowns, join me!
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	We are delighted to welcome our first guest of the day.
	He was the 42nd director of the OMB, the Office of Management and Budget, the guy that makes government actually work in the Trump administration.
	And right now he is the president of that MAGA institution, the Center for Renewing America.
	Russ Vogt, welcome back to America.
	America first!
	It's good to be back on, Seb.
	Thanks for having me.
	So much to discuss.
	So much to discuss.
	But first, can I commend you?
	Because, you know, I had the impression, given your background, because you've got quite the Washington resume.
	Vice President of the Heritage Action for America organization.
	Former Executive Director of the Republican Study Committee.
	However, The Economist, which used to be a good magazine, called you the President's Toolkit.
	And also, on Twitter lately, you've been rather salty.
	I saw, had to immediately retweet when you said on the anniversary of the January 6th fracas, you said, where is Ray Epps today?
	So Russ, I don't know if you're coming out of your shell, but you're definitely being as magger as one could hope.
	Well, thanks for that high praise coming from you.
	But look, you know, the hour is late in this country, and we need people who understand, like the last president did, That the American people understand that, that, you know, they are looking for people that are waiting into oncoming fire because that's what people who are getting fired as a result of not providing their vaccine status.
	That's what people who are fake, who are political prisoners as a result of, of, of what's happening with regard to this, this sham January 6th investigation, they're experiencing real, uh, hardship.
	And they expect their leaders and they expect their institutions in D.C.
	to fight on their behalf.
	And so we created the Center for Renewing America to continue the fight that we often did at the behest of the president, which was weighed in on cultural issues when no one in the administration was going to fight.
	He looked to us to be able to help provide ideas and ways to go about doing it.
	And we want to continue to fight at Center for American Renewing to be able to do that.
	And it's something that, you know, we're able to rally with other patriots across this country who are trying to do everything they can to save this country in its late hour.
	Well, God bless you for using that phrase, political prisoner, because that is what the J6 detainees are.
	They're being politically persecuted because of their association with MAGA and America First.
	And we will be having Marjorie Taylor Greene with us later here on America First.
	Will you, for those who aren't familiar with it and who haven't heard you on America First before, will you explain more what kinds of things, not beyond the mission statement, what kinds of concrete things the Center for Renewing America is doing under your leadership?
	Sure.
	We are trying to make sure that the issues that for the last 50 years no party has wanted to touch until the last president, things like that are cultural, and we define that broadly.
	Everything from critical race theory to big tech reform, to vaccine mandates, to making sure that we don't have an imperialist foreign policy.
	We are trying to make sure that those fights get fought.
	We try to create and pick and win big national cultural issue fights and let that activity flow to federal, state, and local level to be able to have real change.
	Right now I'm out in Arizona.
	What we're doing is trying to call on the governor to unilaterally secure the border like he can, because we know that the Biden administration is not going to secure the border and they have three years left in office.
	And Republicans historically would just blame it on the Biden administration, trust that it'll happen in the courts, instead of using everything that they can within their bandwidth, within their state authorities, to be able to create red state sanctuaries to protect the people of Arizona.
	That's the type of thing that we work on, and it's on a number of different issues, and we define it broadly under the umbrella of of cultural issues.
	That's great to hear.
	The alleged president of the United States has just landed in Atlanta.
	He's about to give a speech attacking any attempt to create voter integrity measures across the nation.
	And we have an expectation that he's going to call any move to have fair and free elections, a domestic threat.
	This isn't just hyperbole.
	When they use language like this, when they float the idea of banning President Trump and other MAGA supporters from ever running for office again because they're insurrectionists, this radicalized Democrat Party means that, don't they Russ?
	No question about it.
	And we saw that so clearly when the Department of Justice put out their memo targeting people who were engaged in critical race theory, trying to say that they are potentially domestic terrorism and citing federal statutes that are for no other reason to talk about terrorism.
	And that's what they, they know that they are on the wrong side of the issues, the facts, truth, all that they can do.
	And quite frankly, the long-term politics of this country.
	We have many, many more people who support an America First agenda.
	The only thing that they have is fear tactics.
	And so I'm not surprised that he's going to continue to go down this road of articulating that anyone who wants to have free and fair elections and get rid of systemic voter fraud, that somehow that they need to be watched in a way that the former FBI Uh, came out and said, we need to have a strong surveillance with regard to hardworking patriotic Americans who are involved in the political process.
	That's their game.
	But here's the thing.
	It's not going to work anymore.
	And Virginia showed that our people are learning that, you know, they have to recognize the full cost and consequences of engaging the political process.
	And they are taking that measure and they're going forward anyway.
	That's why I believe we're going to save this country, because they are doing that in a way they've never done before.
	How significant is it that the woman who thinks she's the governor of Georgia, Stacey Abrams, is dissing Joe and is not there for today's meeting?
	Well, I think it's an interesting development.
	You know, I think that she has Uh, you know, who knows what's going through in her head?
	This is not the epitome of a strong administration.
	It's kind of an embarrassment on every level.
	Um, and you know, she's had a game plan for over four years to become governor of the state of Georgia.
	And it's not a good sign if you're the Biden administration that key leaders in these states don't want to be associated with you.
	I think it's a sign of an impending civil war inside the Democrat Party, a political fracture that will lead to their shellacking in the midterms.
	If we can stop the voter fraud.
	We're talking to Russ Voigt.
	He is the President of the Center for Renewing America.
	We'll be back with him after this break.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, former Deputy Assistant and Strategist to the President of the United States.
	This is the Salem Radio Network.
	The Salem Radio
	Network America Renewing.com.
	Alright, will you put that up?
	AmericaRenewing.com.
	Will you rotate that through?
	Tell me some of the other people who are there at the Center who I'd know.
	Ken Cuccinelli, former Attorney General.
	Adam Candube, who is our big tech reform.
	He was cited in Clarence Thomas' landmark case.
	And then we've got a bunch of folks from the OMB team.
	Mark Palletta, who found the money to be able to build the President's border wall.
	is with us and Cash Patel as well as all of our Deep State work.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Excellent.
	Say hi to Cash.
	I will.
	Two and a half minutes.
	All right.
	What have we got here?
	Relief.
	Okay.
	Also need titles for the pre-records if you can think of any.
	Yeah.
	Oh, can you play me Cut 7?
	Cut 7.
	It's right here.
	Oh, that's the other Cut 7.
	Okay.
	How many FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the events of January 6th?
	Sir, I'm sure you can appreciate that I can't go into the specifics of sources and methods.
	Did any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participate in the events of January 6th?
	Yes or no?
	Sir, I can't answer that.
	Did any FBI agents or confidential informants commit crimes of violence on January 6th?
	I can't answer that, sir.
	Did any FBI agents or FBI informants actively encourage and incite crimes of violence on January 6th?
	Sir, I can't answer.
	Can you fix the feedback?
	Yeah, I was going to say, that's Congress.
	They should know.
	Incredible.
	Can you give me her position?
	I think she's deputy director, right?
	Let me look it up.
	Jill Sanborn.
	Let's come in with cut six Biden on Abrams.
	Play me cut five.
	And if they don't, well, I think that will be on their conscience.
	I think there's some clear authority, legal authority for us to move forward as we have proposed, both for the private sector workforce and for the health care workforce.
	And we understand that if we don't get people vaccinated and covered this way, people will die.
	That's the man Biden called Baccaria.
	Secretary Baccaria.
	Oh, yeah.
	California.
	All right.
	Standby, Russ.
	40 seconds.
	All right.
	So we're coming up with that cut.
	And then I'm going to do merch.
	Yep.
	Merch and relief here.
	And then we'll do that read and the generics in the break or after the next break.
	Sounds good.
	All right.
	Standby.
	25 seconds.
	Sorry?
	There were like two flubs in the reading or one flub.
	Yep, two, two.
	I know where they are.
	Yep.
	I know where they are.
	Portions of America First are brought to you in part by Stand With Israel Tour.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	Welcome back.
	We are broadcasting from just outside the insalubrious fetid swamp that is Washington, D.C., and we are talking to the president of the Center for Renewing America, Russ Vogt.
	You can follow him at Russ Vogt on Twitter.
	That's V-O-U-G-H-T.
	That's V-O-U-G-H-T.
	I love it.
	He's got a, you know, It's a rather curt but effective Twitter style.
	He's retweeting a comment from Scott Adams about it's too risky to do business with China.
	It's at the top of his feed.
	What does he say?
	What does Russ say?
	Just decouple!
	Who needs China?
	Nicely put.
	Russ, we don't Clear any of our talking points, any of our questions with our guests.
	So I'm just going to hit you between the eyes.
	But I think you can manage this.
	The big question isn't the agenda.
	President Trump proved himself in the face of the deep state, achieved things no president has achieved in decades.
	But here's the challenge.
	I don't think the GOP, the McCarthy GOP, the McConnell GOP is on the MAGA train.
	They see it as a threat to their vested interest, the Chamber of Commerce.
	So what plan is there at AmericanRenewing.com or elsewhere to make sure that the party reflects the will of the people who are clearly MAGA?
	Yeah, that's exactly why we do what we do, which is to override The establishment and the party, which I do think you're right, that they are not on board with the America First in general, and they have wanted to be able to go back to business as usual.
	Our contention is that if we can have the grassroots on board with those who are fighting, you're going to have Marjorie Taylor Greene on your show later today, a handful of people in a political class who are fighting, and you can have the appropriate, what I call 1159 policy setting, where you You not only say this is what must be done, but you say this is how it can be done, and you defend it so that the establishment doesn't have any other excuse other than they just don't want to do it.
	When you can have that triangle operating, and that triangle is what we're trying to build at the federal level and at the state level, then you can override the circuits.
	You can override the establishment, and you can basically dictate terms.
	We were able to do that when we had a president.
	We need to be able to do that again.
	And so we're trying to build the infrastructure for that kind of That kind of agenda to be able to be passed and secured.
	I like that phrase.
	I think we have to use that phrase, overriding the establishment.
	That's a great plan.
	I hope people in America, your organization, are doing that, the Center for Renewing America.
	If you're listening to this show, the millions of people across the country, if you agree, then you need to tell the people around you who you are and what you believe in and send a message To the crazies around you who need to come on board or just simply be shellacked in the elections, check out our website.
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	How important, Russ, I know you're in the culture war domain, but when it comes to primaries, how important is it that people get engaged even if they think politics isn't for them, but if they believe in America?
	They have to be engaged.
	I mean, it's important to do policy, politics, and process.
	Say that again.
	We lost you there for a second.
	Say the three.
	Yeah, politics, policy and process.
	And we lose in the grassroots, the MAGA movement lose when we don't have all three of those things locked down.
	And so politics, being engaged in primaries, making sure that the apparatus of the party is people who believe in MAGA.
	Those are the things that can allow us to be actually to be successful.
	And even if there's no shot of a person winning, the conversation is a little bit different when a member has a primary race, and you can have a much different conversation of accountability with them.
	So, you know, these are all opportunities to use, and as we continue to build those skill sets in the grassroots across the country, I think the country's going to be better off as a result of it and we're going to have more success.
	30 seconds left.
	Biggest problem we had in the administration outside of the deep state was a very, very small bench.
	Are you and your colleagues or other organizations working on making sure we have the requisite 4,000 people for those presidential appointees, Russ?
	We will definitely be working to the extent that we can and to help like-minded organizations that we're affiliated with do that as well.
	You know, I'm very affiliated with Stephen Miller's group and the work that Mark Meadows and others are doing.
	So we will help make sure that we're building that capability and that bench, as well as the necessary plans so that the President doesn't have to wait for two and a half years to have an Afghanistan plan that he actually likes.
	Those are the things that we need to be able to have on day one, as opposed to year three.
	God bless you for all the work you are doing.
	It's the Center for Renewing America.
	The door is always open to you and your colleagues here at America First.
	Follow him, Russ.
	Vote on Twitter.
	That's V-O-U-G-H-T or americarenewing.com.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	The End
	Okay.
	Mic's back on, one minute to go.
	Um... I realized once the segment had started, because I had just sent you the Jill Sanborn thing, but I realized you wanted to use that Biden cut of Stacey Abrams.
	The cut six?
	Or did you want to use that later?
	Yeah, I thought I said come in with it.
	Yeah, we were going to come in with that.
	Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That slipped my mind.
	That's why I was, like, hanging there for a couple of seconds.
	That slipped my mind, I'm sorry.
	Alright, want to come in with it now?
	Eric, Eric failed me again.
	Um, what have we got here?
	It's a short clip and, uh... Oh yeah, come in with it.
	Yeah, we've got, uh, podcast and relief here.
	Yeah, come in with it.
	Come in with Biden on Abrams Cut 6.
	Okay.
	And then...
	From the ReliefFactor.com studios, this is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	I spoke with Stacy this morning.
	We have a great relationship.
	We've got our scheduling mixed up.
	I talked with her at length this morning.
	We're all on the same page and everything's fine.
	Really?
	Really?
	So, Stacey Abrams got confused, or the man who calls himself President got confused.
	Jeff, your reaction to the old Sleepy Creepy Guys saying they had a confusion over their schedules and that's why they're not meeting today?
	Yeah, right.
	She's running for governor.
	If it was the president of the United States that was actually popular, she would drop anything to go there.
	Oh, if Obama was visiting, there'd be no confusion of schedules, right?
	She'd leave on vacation to come back for that.
	And he's going there to talk about voter rights.
	And what's her issue?
	Voting rights.
	Oh, interesting.
	You liar.
	You utter complete... She's lying and you're a fraud.
	You're a senile old git.
	Okay, let's get serious.
	Jeff just found this utterly Utterly insane, disturbing, child abuse.
	Okay, this is a video.
	I've posted it on my Twitter feed, Seb Gawker.
	This is from Fairfax County Parents Association.
	It is a video of elementary school kids sitting outside the school at Wayne Woods School in 24 degrees Fahrenheit.
	The school union, the teachers unions, I'm sorry.
	They should be arrested.
	The principal and the teachers of the school who agreed should be arrested now for holding class outside in 24 degree Fahrenheit weather.
	Guys, take back America!
	If you're not running for the school board, if you're not supporting somebody who's running for the school board, shame on you.
	You are not part of the solution.
	You are part of the problem.
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	Okay, first call, line one, Brian Cleveland.
	Welcome.
	Hey, Dr. G. Pleasure.
	I want to ask you two quick questions real quick, then I'll bounce so you can get to other calls.
	Yeah.
	Number one, is there any information regarding to what breakout cases, like if you've got a Moderna vaccine or a Pfizer vaccine or anything like that, are there any numbers pertaining to the breakout cases of the individual vaccines?
	And secondly, Have you heard anything about the so-called, you know, hospitals being overwhelmed with the on-vax work, meaning the on-vax is that you did not get the vaccine from that particular hospital group, say you got it from a drug store, so you didn't get it, say, from the Cleveland Clinic or University Health System, so therefore they don't count your vaccine status?
	Because you didn't get it under their umbrella.
	So my response, I haven't heard anything to that effect with regards to the second question that you're not treated as vaccinated if you're out of their catchment area.
	I'm not sure that may be the case with regards to the first.
	I'm sure the data exists somewhere.
	I'm not sure as to how accurate it would be with regards to breakouts per type of vaccine because we've seen a lot of problems.
	Phil Kirpin, Whenever he comes on the show, he tells us just how unreliable the data is, but that would be a fascinating piece of information, and as soon as we get Phil... I love your honesty.
	You don't try to sugarcoat, you don't try to ramp it up just so you sound like... I love your honesty, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Look, when I know, I know, and when I don't, I don't, and I'll admit it.
	God bless you, Brian, and Happy New Year.
	John, South Carolina, line two.
	Happy New Year to my pseudo-intellectual neurodivergence.
	Oh my gosh!
	I'm not sure if I resent that remark or resemble it.
	What's your question, John?
	Happy New Year!
	We came up with it together, so I mean, what can we say?
	Okay, I'll take it.
	What's your question and comment for today?
	I've got a couple quick ones for you.
	It's been too long since I've checked in, so here we go.
	Listen, nobody has ever satisfactorily answered the question As to what the quote-unquote insurance policy was that struck and page we're talking about.
	I would really love to know about that.
	There was clearly, you know, in another life I should have been a contingency planner.
	And if I were a democratic activist, I could have, I hate to say this, I could have planned the last six years pretty much by myself and with about five or six cohorts from the 11th grade.
	I mean, we could put this thing together.
	If you had just given us just a few dollars, like maybe some Bezos money or some Zuckerberg bucks.
	Yeah, a few of the millions that just fall off his table.
	Look, we don't have to be mastermized.
	Listen, all we need is a big monkey wrench to stick it in your spoke.
	We can't predict everywhere that you're going to land when you go skittering across the pavement.
	But if we stick a monkey wrench in your front spokes, it's going to go skittering.
	And that's what COVID and everything else has been with the mail-in balloting has been.
	Go ahead, quickly.
	You got 60 seconds.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, quick.
	I can do it in 30.
	What about that?
	Listen, bullying, the D.C.
	gulag, tyranny, dictatorial actions, intimidation, sadism, abuses, that is the Republican campaign for 2022 and 2024.
	And it needs to be, the thing that you posted yesterday with Victor Davis Hanson, that was an awesome video from the other side.
	I mean, it was really vicious.
	Yeah.
	And we need to send a mortar back in kind.
	Listen, I need to talk to you, and I'll bow out here, but I need to talk to you about some merch that's going to really tickle your funny button.
	Alright, stay on the line, stay on the line.
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	But let me just add this one comment.
	Think about this.
	If you really have been saying for four years that he's a Nazi and anybody who voted for him is a white supremacist, Of course you're going to steal the election!
	Of course you'll justify anything!
	It's all you have to know!
	If you really are so in an echo chamber, like these insane people, he's a Russian asset and he's a white supremacist, then what action is there that you wouldn't justify?
	Come on, guys.
	Wake up.
	Smell the coffee grinds.
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	With the deepest voice in talk radio, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	I've never seen anything like it.
	I practiced law for 10 years, I covered the high court for 3 years, and I've never seen anything like what they did on Friday.
	They made stuff up, left and right.
	And it was shocking to witness.
	None of it was in the record.
	Right?
	You're not allowed to do that.
	You can take judicial notice of a fact that we all know, like the sky is blue, but not 100,000 kids are in the hospital when they're not.
	Good for her, Megyn Kelly, saying they just lied to your face, the people of the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land.
	Let's take a call on exactly this topic.
	JJ, line three, Happy New Year.
	Welcome back, JJ.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	Yes, I was shocked at the level of ignorance of a person in one of the three highest branches of government that you think she would You think Sotomayor wasn't stupid?
	And it wasn't if it was an honest mistake, she might have used some of the numbers like accidentally said thirty five thousand children were in the hospital instead of thirty five hundred.
	No, she had to say one hundred thousand to, you know, hype up the fear.
	So you think you think Sotomayor wasn't stupid?
	She actually knew that she was lying.
	Well, I mean, I can't imagine that at her level of office that she should couldn't you know, it wasn't deliberate that she would have her facts straight.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Maybe, maybe.
	But remember, this is the woman who two weeks prior to that, when they were arguing the Roe v. Wade case, the challenge,
	talked about dead bodies reacting and she used the phrase dead brain bodies you know their feet twitching if you touch the soles of their feet you know Sotomayor doesn't know the difference between brain dead and dead brain so she may be lying but she's also really really stupid JJ you're right you're right all right thank you quickly go ahead
	Oh, I was just going to say, we have to stop talking, this is off the subject of that, but the left is always talking about climate change, climate change.
	I think we on the right need to start saying the boogeyman of climate change because they want to keep lending credence to this guy.
	I like that.
	You give agreement.
	No, I like that.
	The boogeyman.
	I like that.
	I like that.
	That's a great way to Take the wind out of their sails and I will use that liberally with your permission.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much, JJ.
	Next up here on America First, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka. - I am.
	I have introduced House Res.
	57.
	These are articles of impeachment on President Biden.
	For abuse of power in regards to his willingness to use his position of power to aid his son, Hunter Biden, and their business dealings.
	I've also introduced another article of impeachment on President Biden, which is HRES 597.
	This has to do with the national security crisis that President Biden has created with regards to the extreme threat at the southern border.
	I've introduced House Res 598 articles of impeachment on President Biden in regards to the failure in Afghanistan.
	And I've introduced House Res 596 articles of impeachment on President Biden for the COVID eviction moratorium.
	Welcome back, dear friends.
	This is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, on the Salem Radio Network.
	Across the nation to millions of listeners on hundreds of stations, they want to stop her.
	They're trying to stop her, but the more they try, the more they fail.
	That, of course, was the irrepressible Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, Georgia's 14th District, and we are delighted to Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	I'm so glad to be on your show today.
	So, the timing couldn't be better.
	You wanted to impeach Joe Biden day one.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Hi, Dr. Gorka.
	I'm so glad to be on your show today.
	So the timing couldn't be better.
	You wanted to impeach Joe Biden day one.
	He is giving a speech today in Georgia, which is going to be allegedly about stopping any reforms of voter integrity.
	And the scuttlebutt has it that he will use the phrase, it is a domestic threat to try and stop election fraud in America.
	This means, Congresswoman Green, after January the 6th, they're not taking their foot off the gas, they're actually doubling down, correct?
	Oh, absolutely.
	This is going to increase.
	You know, Joe Biden, who has placed unconstitutional mandates through OSHA on employees and companies with employees at 100 or more, Uh, he cares so much about vaccine ID that he's, he's made this mandate a huge issue, but yet they want to wipe out voter ID.
	Like it, you shouldn't be able to show an ID to both.
	That's what Democrats want.
	They want anyone to be able to mail in a ballot without even showing who they are, but yet they want to impose a vaccine ID for people to be able to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.
	You know, things like working a job to provide for their family, going to a restaurant, concert, game, private club, gym to stay healthy and protect themselves from COVID-19.
	But this is who the Democrats are.
	And you're absolutely right, Sebastian.
	They're not slowing down with January 6th.
	They are going to increase this witch hunt.
	And if you want to know the place to look and to see their full plan laid out, go to Mark Elias.
	Go to his Twitter page.
	the nasty Democrat activist lawyer that loves to meddle in elections.
	And he's laid it all out with what he wants to do with the 14th amendment.
	And it's absolutely disgusting.
	Yeah.
	This is an individual who was the true architect of the election fraud last year.
	And he wants to use the insurrectionist phrase to prevent president Trump from running again or from any, any MAGA politician from being reelected.
	The J6 prisoners, I want to mention it while we have you on the line.
	If you want to support them, God bless you for going to the prison with Louie Gohmert, with Paul Gosar, with Matt Gaetz, but please make a contribution to these individuals because they are suffering and they need your support.
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	Let's just do a hypothetical.
	Let's say that the state houses do their job.
	We can replicate what happened in Virginia, prevent wide-scale voter fraud and win the elections and shellac the Democrats in the midterms.
	They have a crisis of confidence and then somebody has to reform them from the inside to make them less radical.
	My question to you is, and you're on the inside, you're in the sausage factory on Capitol Hill, I don't see any rational Democrats I mean, you know, you don't have to like Bill Clinton, but he wasn't a crazy in way back in the 90s.
	He reigned in the crazies.
	In your offline discussions with anybody who has the letter D behind their name, Marjorie, are any of them normal or prepared to stand up to the crazies?
	Well, I think we can acknowledge that there's 30 House Democrats that are not running for re-election.
	So maybe those are the ones that tried and they couldn't get it done and they see the writing on the wall.
	So they're bailing on these radical Democrats.
	And you know what they're doing really with this Mark Elias plan to disqualify Republican members of Congress and ultimately President Trump is really they're planning an insurrection of the elections of 2022.
	So it's election insurrection.
	The Democrats want, and that's what they're doing with this voting rights bill, and that's what they're planning to do through the January 6th committee.
	But no, we don't see any rational Democrats looking to, you know, uphold their oath that they took when they swore into office, which is to protect the Constitution and defend people's rights and freedoms.
	They're not interested in that at all.
	They're interested in using any tool that they can To achieve their policy goals and to hold on to power.
	And it's not just, you know, the way we run elections and whether they can steal an election again.
	I know one of the key issues closest to your heart is the Second Amendment, which of course is the civil right that makes all the others possible.
	They're coming for our guns and for our civil rights, are they not?
	Oh, of course they are.
	As a matter of fact, Stacey Abrams, who is running for governor for the second time in Georgia, in her announcement speech after she said that she would pursue aggressive vaccinations of Georgians, the next thing she talked about was grabbing people's guns.
	She hates Georgia's Second Amendment.
	Right.
	She, she wants to stop constitutional carry, which is exactly what our state legislators and our governor should be pursuing right now.
	They should be passing it and signing it into law.
	Um, but yeah, no Democrats, they hate our second amendment because ultimately the truth is it's our second amendment rights, our right to bear arms that protect Americans and give us the ability to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government.
	And, and I hate to use this language, but Democrats, They're doing exactly what our founders talked about when they gave us these precious rights that we have.
	No one wants violence, and I say it all the time.
	I'm not a violent person, and I hope to never see a civil war in this country.
	That's why you hear me toss around national divorce, because the federal government has grown so big.
	Uh, and, and the Democrats are willing to use the power of the federal government, but it, but it really violates people's rights.
	And this is why state rights are so important.
	And, um, it's a shame that we shouldn't think that way, but, uh, you know, I don't know what's going to happen in the future, but we always have to make sure that we're defending our second amendment rights and making sure that our state rights are protected.
	We are a republic of states that is essential to the character of our nation.
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	Last question for you, Congresswoman Green.
	What do you say to those around the country who say that's it, they stole the last election, there's no point in fighting politically, they'll just be in power forever?
	Oh goodness, I say don't quit the fight when it's barely begun.
	That was such a lie that people were convinced to sit out elections Anyone that tells Republican voters to stay home because their vote is going to be stolen, they're working for the other team.
	What we have to do going into 2022 is we have to flood the polls, and that's every Republican voter's job.
	You've got to bring in your friends that maybe have never voted before, but if you have any friends that are angry about the vaccine mandates, if you're tired of wearing masks even though you might have gotten vaccinated, If you're just sick and tired of the high inflation and high crime, wide open borders, and just complete threats to our way of life, then, you know, get them to go with you when you go vote, but never sit it out.
	You can never win a battle by sitting on the sidelines.
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	Oh my goodness.
	I, you know, I need the support of everyone.
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	How you doing?
	Fine.
	How was your Christmas?
	Good.
	The kids came home from California and didn't want to go anywhere, which is fine by us.
	How about you?
	Yeah, we're down in beautiful Fayetteville.
	All roads lead to Fayetteville.
	Yes.
	Yadkin Road.
	Yadkin Road.
	Hub of the universe.
	We've got to do something about that waterway system because that's like not the easiest thing to navigate on the base.
	I'll tell you.
	Fort Bragg continues to grow, but Fayetteville is now larger than Salt Lake City and Birmingham.
	What?
	But it's spread out.
	It's spread out.
	Right, right, right, right.
	So you don't see it.
	Right.
	Right.
	And now, because Raleigh-Durham is larger than metropolitan Atlanta... That's insane!
	You're now seeing Fayetteville and the northern parts of Fayetteville become a bedroom community for Raleigh-Durham.
	Wow.
	Because there's a lot of tech in Raleigh now, right?
	Well, the research triangle, there are more Ph.D.s per capita, which is not necessarily good.
	In R.A.D.?
	Than there are in Route 128 in Massachusetts and also in Silicon Valley.
	There's more than any other area in the country.
	So we've got to talk Afghan aid.
	Let's talk about Russia.
	What else would you like to talk about?
	Oh, yeah.
	I want to talk about something.
	Let's talk about how he's ignoring our friends and potential allies in Asia.
	Oh, good.
	Okay.
	I'll give you an example for this phony democracy summit that he held.
	He didn't even invite Singapore.
	What?
	The one where he cut off Taiwan, that one they didn't invite.
	Singapore, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, but the Congo came.
	Right, that great democracy.
	For the Democracy Summit.
	- Well grab your headphones. - Yeah. - Wanna come in with anything?
	I'm going to tee up Cut 7 and then I'm going to introduce our guest.
	Tee up 7 and then introduce.
	My pillow here, by the way.
	Yes.
	Oh yeah, Ted Cruz.
	Alright.
	You're not on Twitter, right?
	No.
	Okay.
	Okay, Jeff, I'm going to send you something over to print real quick for us to record.
	Thanks.
	Alright.
	Standby.
	20 seconds.
	The Relief Factor
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka We have a very special guest in studio this next cut.
	Maybe it does.
	He'll tell us whether it touches upon his portfolio today at the Heritage Foundation.
	But I have to play it anyway because it is truly stunning.
	This is an individual called Jill Sanborn testifying in front of the Senate who is the Executive Assistant for National Security in the FBI and she was asked a very simple question by Senator Ted Cruz about the January 6th fake insurrection.
	Cut 7!
	How many FBI agents or confidential informants actively participated in the events of January 6th?
	Sir, I'm sure you can appreciate that I can't go into the specifics of sources and methods.
	Did any FBI agents or confidential informants actively participate in the events of January 6th?
	Yes or no?
	Sir, I can't answer that.
	Did any FBI agents or confidential informants commit crimes of violence on January 6th?
	I can't answer that, sir.
	Did any FBI agents or FBI informants actively encourage and incite crimes of violence on January 6th?
	Sorry, I can't answer.
	Well, I'm going to ask him anyway.
	He served this nation so often in different guises, in the Navy, in the Air Force, as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs, Undersecretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness, and rising to cabinet level in the Trump administration.
	We're delighted to have in the studio former Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	Welcome back to America First.
	It's good to be back.
	So let me just ask you this way.
	Your portfolio wasn't the FBI or law enforcement.
	But how about this?
	Isn't it the Senate's job to have oversight?
	Well, it's absolutely the Senate's job to do oversight.
	And what you see here is a continuation of the very sad spectacle that has taken place in this country.
	It's certainly a spectacle that lends itself to the lessening of our ability to defend ourselves.
	And that's the politicization of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
	Um, you see that with, and I'll use the word collusion, their collusion, uh, through their director, uh, with the Clinton campaign, with, uh, the Russians in trying to discredit candidate Donald Trump.
	and continuing that subterfuge for the four years he was in office.
	The Senate has that duty, and those questions should be asked.
	I would have been much happier if the Assistant for National Security at the Bureau said, Senator, we will answer that.
	Let's go into closed session and have that discussion.
	She wasn't even willing to do that.
	And they can do that at the drop of a hat.
	I've been in enough of those to say that that is a normal process for the Senate.
	Now, you have served this nation for decades in and out of uniform and at the highest level inside the cabinet.
	You're now a distinguished fellow with the Heritage Foundation.
	Let me ask you this question.
	I was at a dinner not too long ago, invited by my good friend Stephen Moore to celebrate the anniversary of the Reagan tax cuts.
	And around the table were key people from the Reagan administration, and this isn't an attack on them, but I want to have perspective for our millions of listeners, who said to me as a Trump appointee, you know, we've seen this all before.
	They attacked our boss just as much as they attacked President Trump.
	And I just have to set them straight.
	And I said, in the history of the United States, we've never had one party call the elected president of the other party a Russian agent for four years.
	So your experience, it's never been so bad, has it Robert?
	No, I'm a pretty good historian.
	It's never been that bad, even in the darkest days of the Nixon administration.
	When President Nixon's foundational defense came from the conservative Democrats, from the South in the United States Senate.
	They never went that far.
	And the attacks on Reagan were the generic attacks that they launch on Republicans.
	They're not smart.
	They live in the 19th century.
	And so it was nothing like that.
	And of course, in those days, Reagan was such an ethereal figure I mean, you're talking about a man with approval ratings in the 70s and 80s who had the great ability to go above the press and go above the Democrats.
	I mean, he laid low Tip O'Neill, who was supposed to be a legend.
	And you've got people like Chris Matthews trying to rewrite history and say, well, they worked together to craft this.
	That's such garbage.
	Tip O'Neill was trying to sabotage Reagan every day.
	But he had the good grace to know when he was beaten.
	Yes!
	But he wasn't there cheerleading.
	But no, there's never been anything like this and you've never seen even in the Nixon administration.
	Elements of the government working to undermine the Chief Executive.
	And you must have experienced this.
	I saw some of it.
	Yes, I saw some of it.
	Because what you were doing was revolutionary.
	I mean, turning the Veterans Affairs Administration around, making it so people had to perform.
	You must have got into a lot of rice bowls.
	Well, we did, particularly with the unions and with the class in this country, in this town.
	Who are not in favor of progress.
	They're very happy if things don't work.
	That increases their power.
	And the one thing President Trump told me from the beginning...
	That if you are going to reform, if you're going to revolutionize, you have to marginalize those folks.
	You can't listen to them.
	Because every step forward, they were saying, you can't go another step beyond that.
	And that was coming from his business background.
	I mean, he survived in the most volatile business climate in the country, maybe the world.
	New York City.
	New York real estate.
	New York real estate.
	And he let me loose and burned a lot of bridges.
	But they were good bridges to burn.
	Yeah, there were no sacred cows for the boss.
	Not a bit.
	And I like this phrase, you have to marginalize to revolutionize.
	I like that.
	That has a ring to it.
	Do you have hope that it can be done again?
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	I think what we're seeing is the American people are now being pushed too far.
	It's come home to them.
	It's come home to them in their children's schools and their daily lives.
	They're being deprived of liberty.
	And the patina of a national emergency is not enough, has not been enough to close the eyes of people to say, hey, if these people stay in charge, this is the norm now.
	This is the norm.
	We talked to Secretary Robert Wilkie, who was in charge of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration, amongst a whole host of other things he's done in and out of uniform for this nation.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
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	That was in August of 2016.
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	Because when I first met him, June 15, before the GOP national security debate, I had no idea what to expect.
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	I mean, from the civil war to nuclear weapons, you know, ISIS, he was just asking questions the whole time.
	And he was with me as well.
	He was very interested in my family's background and what I had seen growing up and the changes in the military culture.
	And no, we hit it off.
	And again, and I've said this on your show before, he let me lose.
	And we stepped on a lot of toes.
	I hope it's unrecoverable.
	I hope the things you did at the VA are carved in stone now.
	Well, never in this town.
	That's the problem.
	But no, we did incredible, incredible things.
	And that's where you saw This is the deep state work.
	And it wasn't just me.
	I'm sure that Dr. Carson would say the same thing.
	Pompeo would.
	Elaine Chao would.
	Ryan Zinke, certainly.
	Yeah, he ran afoul of the deep state.
	Biden just said President Harris again.
	I said it twice.
	That'll be number two today.
	Yeah.
	Has he used the phrase domestic threat yet?
	No, not yet.
	Okay.
	Of course, we saw the story today that the Secretary of Education probably ended up writing that.
	Oh, did you print that article, Eric?
	The NSP thing?
	Yeah, the Secretary of Education.
	The school board.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I need that.
	Unbelievable.
	It's just so incestuous.
	So incestuous, thank you.
	Oh my gosh.
	Followed a request from Secretary Cardona.
	Right.
	Wow.
	Isn't that something?
	Wow.
	What's the source for this?
	There's no URL.
	What is this Eric?
	That's Fox.
	That's Fox.
	Okay.
	And it's based on Freedom of Information Act requests where they got hold of the Secretary's emails.
	So that's all based on his words.
	Wow.
	I'm going to read this into the radio show.
	October 5th email.
	Got podcasts and relief here.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Parents defending education.
	Yeah, FOIA request.
	Jeff, would you find if there's anybody who does media that you like at parents?
	It's different.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	We are in studio with the former Trump cabinet member, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs Robert Wilkie, who we were discussing in the break, this incredible breaking story.
	This is from Peter Hassan, who's developing it on a story, off a story.
	from Fox News.
	So you remember that letter that was used by the Attorney General to unleash the FBI on parents across the country to try and use the Patriot Act against them as domestic threats?
	Well, a parents organization, God bless them, Parents Defending Education, has managed to get a FOIA request with the result that there is a October 5th email that seems to prove that that whole letter from the National Association of School Boards Was actually done at the request of the Biden administration.
	Here is the smoking gun.
	In an October 5th email, the National School Board Association Secretary-Treasurer Christy Sweat wrote that the NSBA interim CEO Chip Slavin, quote, told the officers he was writing a letter to the administration, to the White House, based on a request by Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona.
	That's the swamp.
	When a private association makes a request to the White House to target parents based upon what they've been told to do by a cabinet member in the same administration.
	Incredible.
	We'll post it right now.
	Go to my Twitter feed.
	Go to my Facebook.
	Read the story from Peter Hassan.
	That is the swamp by definition.
	Let's move on.
	Our time is limited.
	Hopefully we can still you for a few more segments.
	We have far too much fun with this.
	We've got to talk about things going on at Bragg, but you raised a topic as soon as you walked in, something that we're not focusing on.
	We're looking at the woke military here in America in the General Officer Corps.
	We're looking at Russia potentially invading Ukraine.
	Tell us about one of the things I was most proud of.
	Very early on, we reached out to Asia.
	We reached out to Abe.
	The transition team managed to create a really good relationship with incoming President Trump.
	Talk about the situation now, Robert.
	Well, the situation now is that in order to check China, and you and I have talked about this before, we are the indispensable nation, but we're not the inexhaustible nation.
	We have to make sure that our friends in Asia have the means to make China think twice.
	And that's the vernacular.
	Make them pause.
	This administration is ignoring friends and potential friends.
	Sad news coming out of Cambodia is that they have agreed to help the Chinese build a naval installation on their coast.
	Wow.
	Same place that some of the older fans of yours right now will remember we went after and got the crew of the Mayaguez during the Ford administration.
	It's China's now.
	Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Singapore, of all places.
	We're not invited to Biden's Democracy Summit.
	So let's remind people just a few weeks ago there was this quote-unquote democracy summit where the representative from Taiwan had the microphone cut because of the map they used and then afterwards a Chiron came up you know disowning this partner of ours and this thing that Biden called the democracy summit.
	Who wasn't invited Robert?
	Singapore.
	Let's tell you about Singapore.
	Crucial.
	One of the largest economies in the world under the great Lee Kuan Yew.
	Regionally pivotal.
	Absolutely vital.
	The man transformed the country into a powerhouse and said we will build two slips for your carriers.
	Nimitz-class carriers in Singapore.
	They're not invited.
	They're not part of the Biden vision.
	And we've seen this now play out in the Middle East, and it's going to happen in Asia.
	So in the Middle East, Biden is hell-bent on making the theocratic fanatics in Tehran happy.
	Go ahead.
	The Saudis have seen this.
	Oh yes.
	They have a defense cooperation agreement now with the Russians.
	They're not waiting.
	They're not waiting.
	The Prime Minister of Israel has been spending time in Russia.
	I know.
	They've cut a deal.
	The Russians aren't going to bother them when they go after the Iranian terrorists.
	I have to ask you, for example, with regards to Singapore, I'm going to let you think on this in the break.
	Is such a decision to not invite a strategic regional partner a function of a plan or just rank incompetence?
	I'll let you think about that one.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	We are talking to Secretary Robert Wilkie.
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	Who have a view that their own vanity, which they vocalize through which they vocalize through the promotion of human rights and democracy, have a view that their own vanity, which they vocalize through the promotion
	has created a system whereby we not only ignore but we punish our friends.
	I'll give you an example.
	Not that Turkey under Erdogan is friendly, but this administration has given the man the back of the hand.
	An excuse to look elsewhere.
	Why is that important?
	This has been the traditional buffer to Russia for hundreds of years.
	My view is if Turkey goes the tidal wave going in each direction is going to be devastating.
	The Israelis are looking to the Russians.
	The Saudis are looking to the Russians.
	Certainly.
	I mean, it's a communist country, but they have an ancient enemy on the border.
	They want America.
	There's a lot of loss between them.
	They want America.
	Right.
	And if your job is to protect America, then you have to create these coalitions.
	These people don't have to be saints.
	We share a common goal, and that is to stop the ultimate evil, which would be the hegemony of the Communist Party of China.
	And at the end of the day, I mean, Erdogan is a neo-Ottomanist thug.
	But you look at a map, and I'm sorry, there are less than ten nations in the world, probably less than six, that are strategic.
	And I'm sorry, Turkey has always been so.
	Just look at the map!
	You can't deny, whoever's running it, it is a strategic country.
	And just to say, You know, you don't matter.
	Means what?
	You're playing into the hands of those who will exploit that.
	Absolutely.
	Alright, 30 seconds.
	I'm going to tee up the cut 11, and then we'll go to the secretary.
	Okay, we've got Israel here.
	Thank you.
	With more journalism in his little finger than CNN has on its entire network, Sebastian Gorka.
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	Secretary Wilkie, perhaps the most misquoted strategic thinker is Sun Tzu because everybody thinks they've read him and nobody reads von Clausewitz because it's a little difficult.
	It's his oppression.
	Yeah, well he's a Prussian and it wasn't meant to be published.
	That's right.
	And he died before it was published.
	His widow published it, so who knows what he actually wanted to say.
	And it's German and it's highfalutin Prussian German.
	Hochdeutsch.
	Anyway, people say, oh yeah, Sun Tzu, know your enemy and you'll win.
	Wrong, wrong.
	The actual original phrase is, know the enemy, you win half your battles.
	Know yourself, you win half your battles.
	To be guaranteed success, you must know yourself, why you are fighting, and your enemy.
	Let's take that to our former boss, President Trump.
	I think the most significant.
	There's a couple of speeches that are truly remarkable.
	One is his first address to the joint session of Congress.
	than his speech in the Hijaz to the 44 Arab Muslim nations where he called them out to sort out terrorism on their backyard.
	But for me the most important speech of all was the Warsaw speech right there at the site of the Warsaw uprising.
	He had this to say about ourselves and those that threaten us.
	Cut 11.
	We have to remember that our defense is not just a commitment of money.
	It is a commitment of will.
	Because as the Polish experience reminds us, the defense of the West ultimately rests not only on means, but also on the will of its people to prevail and be successful and get what you have to have.
	The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.
	Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost?
	Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders?
	Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it?
	In the break I asked you with regards to this administration whether it's incompetence or a strategy.
	I may have asked the wrong question.
	Robert, if you don't believe in the nation you represent, then it doesn't matter what strategy you have.
	It doesn't matter.
	And so you have several streams here.
	One is the incompetence.
	We saw that in the Afghan withdrawal.
	There's no one in the White House The National Security Council has any operational logistical experience.
	And I've said in some venues that an ROTC student could have probably planned that thing better.
	And I'm not blaming the young Americans on the ground, I'm blaming the decision makers.
	But there's also that elitist strain, the best and the brightest, the people that Donald Trump was always fighting, the people who brought you Vietnam the way it was carried out.
	Not Nixon, it was the people around Kennedy and LBJ.
	The best and the brightest, quote-unquote.
	They seek to remake the world in the image of some faculty lounge debate at Harvard without first having a belief in the nation and also a clear-eyed assessment of the threats that we face.
	So what does that mean?
	Well, let's just look at World War II.
	We sided with the second greatest mass murderer in history.
	The greatest we're dealing with now.
	That regime.
	Because the greater threat at the time was obviously Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
	The nations that we need to bring together are not perfect.
	Um, but in sacrificing them and sacrificing, uh, and insulting a country like Singapore, which is built really on British values.
	I mean, it was a, it was a linchpin of the empire.
	Um, we are sending a signal to the world that we can't be trusted, um, that we have leaders who are out, uh, to commit vanity projects.
	Like the Iran deal.
	Like the Iran deal.
	And by the way, the same person who negotiated that is now sitting with the Russians in Geneva, which ought to tell you something.
	Yeah.
	And we put ourselves at risk because there are people there, people out there, including Vietnam.
	I've always said that before my children have children, the fleet will be back in Cam Ranh Bay because the dragon is to the north.
	And in our lifetimes they've actually fought a war.
	The Chinese lost.
	There's no love lost between the Vietnamese and the Chinese.
	But Singapore, Laos... And the question the President asked in Warsaw is the eternal question.
	Do we have the will to defeat those who wish to destroy us?
	It never changes.
	I think our friends in Eastern Europe certainly do because as you know from your family's experience they've had the boot on the throat.
	And recently But let's go back to that real quick.
	Donald Trump, the great disruptor.
	What did Donald Trump insist?
	He insisted that Merkel and Macron and Boris come together and live up to their commitment.
	Three of the five or six largest economies in the world who have thrived, two in particular, under the umbrella of American protection.
	But what has happened since then?
	We have an administration that comes in that Doesn't even acknowledge British sacrifice in Afghanistan, refuses to talk to the Prime Minister.
	A President who is censured by the Parliament, the mother of Parliament.
	By a combat veteran, the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, as he is green-lighting The Nord Stream Pipeline for the Russians.
	Incredible.
	And the President of France who says that this administration is a threat to the culture of our Republic.
	As they cancel the deal with the Australians.
	Incredible.
	I think I've found the title for Secretary Wilkie's book.
	It's going to be President Trump the Great Disruptor.
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	Bannon said, you do realize that President Trump has just signed off on an incremental increase defense budget that is larger than the German defense budget.
	The increase.
	The increase.
	It's larger than your, and they were trying to lecture us.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's just unserious.
	The Bundeswehr is a shell.
	Totally.
	It's a shell.
	And the Brits have to borrow, they share an aircraft carrier with the French.
	I'll tell you, I worked on that in that world in Britain.
	So let me tell you how that works.
	They produce a white paper.
	that says we need two carriers.
	Right.
	In the same white paper they get rid of the fleet air arm.
	And so you've got two floating docks.
	Right.
	Right.
	That you share with the country.
	White elephants.
	That's right.
	That doesn't share your.
	Well that you've been at war with for centuries.
	Smallest Royal Navy since the reign of Charles II.
	So I had a buddy who was deployed to Afghanistan Thirty seconds.
	They allowed him one full magazine to go on patrol.
	British did?
	Mm-hmm.
	That's unheard of.
	Thank you.
	The End With the deepest voice in talk radio, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	I didn't even ask Secretary Wilkie if we could keep him over for one more segment before our special guest, Douglas Murray, but he's such a gracious guest.
	He's going to be with us for the close of the second hour and a fascinating, fascinating resume.
	We haven't even discussed your connections to Fort Bragg, but in the last couple of minutes we have.
	Can you share with us, because I've been teaching on the Q Course for years through the JFK School, and I'm hearing stuff that really disturbs me, that the political correctness is even infecting the home of the Brotherhood, the Green Berets as well.
	What are you hearing and how concerned are you?
	I'm hearing the same thing and if you read in the last few days, just in basic training now, they've implemented one week of extremism training.
	But it's not BLM, the extremists, right?
	It's not Antifa?
	That's right, it's not that.
	So they're ripping the country apart through the military.
	And I sat through it in my other life as a colonel and listened.
	And it is the antithesis of what the United States military is and has been.
	And that is the welcoming institution.
	If you perform, you're accepted.
	It doesn't matter what your religion is or what your color is.
	Well, it's the ultimate meritocracy, isn't it, Robert?
	It is, other than sports, in most cases.
	Until recently.
	Until recently.
	Give you an example.
	And I use this in a hearing, I think.
	I'm in ninth grade or so.
	Every Thursday, I believe, my father's jeep would come and they would take him to the headquarters of the 82nd Airborne Division.
	Now, his sergeant happened to be black.
	But so was the commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division in the 1970s.
	That's what the military is.
	And that's what they're trying to dismantle.
	That's what they're trying to... Well, they're not just trying to dismantle it, they're trying to say that that never existed.
	Rewrite history.
	That's right.
	And we need a cleaning of the stables, if I can...
	I saw this myself in the alts when I was a civilian in the defense department.
	needs to start at the Pentagon. - Yeah.
	I saw this myself in the Oats when I was a civilian in the Defense Department.
	I just saw a senior officer corps that was more interested in pleasing their political masters and that's how we get to the Mark Millies of today.
	I always feel as if we haven't had long enough.
	We'll have to get you back more regularly.
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	Instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person to person, spreading and spreading, sickening some of them, but not all of them.
	And the ones that it doesn't stick and don't know they have it.
	And then they give it to even more people because they didn't recognize they were all right.
	Instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person, potentially mutating and becoming more virulent and drug-resistant along the way, now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.
	A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus.
	The virus does not infect them.
	The virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else.
	It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people.
	That means the vaccines will get us to the end of this.
	I guess four years of Russia, Russia, Russia, and I have Donald Trump's tax returns wasn't enough.
	Now it's, if you're vaccinated, well, COVID just disappears, Rachel Maddow.
	I thought she was meant to be MSNBC's smart one.
	Apparently not.
	Welcome, dear friends.
	You're listening to America First with me, Sebastian Corker.
	This is One on One.
	This is where we go beyond the talking points, beyond the soundbites, with somebody who knows of what they speak.
	And we give them an opportunity to go deep dive.
	Today, I feel very, very intimidated because on his bio, I know he's a good guy, he's a smart guy, and he's got an accent that, you know, it's a little bit like mine.
	But he's published seven books!
	I've only written three!
	It's a delight to have him with us.
	He is the author, most recently, of The Madness of Crowds from The Spectator.
	Douglas Murray, welcome back to One on One.
	Great to be with you, Sebastian.
	And three books isn't so bad, you know.
	It's not bad going at all.
	Well, here I didn't realise until I got the final invitation that's the only way you get onto C-SPAN for the two hour long interview as an author.
	That's the, you know, it's got to be three, not two, not one.
	It's like the holy hand grain of Antioch.
	It must be three.
	And we did that.
	And it was quite a shock.
	I was in the studio.
	I said, so what are we going to talk about for an hour?
	No, no, no, no, Sebastian.
	It's for two hours.
	We're not going to do that to you today.
	We would love to do that.
	Follow this man right now, Douglas K. Murray.
	Did you ever think the madness of crowds would actually be even more applicable, Douglas, now than when you wrote the book, given what we have witnessed in the last two years when it comes to the coronavirus?
	You know, what I tried to do with that book was to lay out what I thought was the sort of vulnerability we had as a society.
	That we had become incredibly certain about things that actually weren't very certain.
	And at the same time, we'd become to doubt things that were very obvious.
	As I say in The Madness of Crowds, things that everyone knew till yesterday suddenly became sort of up for grabs.
	I give the examples of endless things in the book.
	One, which has just kept on happening, is, you know, until yesterday, if you said, what is a woman?
	Everybody could answer you.
	Everybody on planet Earth could answer you.
	And now, the smartest, as it were, most over-educated imbeciles in the world say, well, what is a woman?
	That's a really tricky one.
	Or how many genders there are.
	That's a tough one, right?
	How many?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So these sorts of things were already in the atmosphere, you know.
	And then Corona has come along and I think it's just added to that just madness.
	And what you've just shown, that clip of Rachel Maddow absolutely speaks to the point of it.
	I'm so glad you highlight that clip.
	It's one of my absolute favorite media moments of the last year.
	And here's why.
	It's because Rachel Maddow is so damn certain about something she doesn't know anything about.
	So far as I know, up until 2020, 2021, Rachel Maddow had never spoken about pandemics, virology or anything else.
	She'd never studied the subject.
	She'd never had any particularly strong views about it.
	She'd never written about or spoken about vaccines anymore.
	And here she is.
	In 2021, giving this sort of sermon to the American public, saying, these are the facts, this is what we know, and this is the case, and I'm telling you the case, and she's wrong, and she's wrong.
	Now, and here's the interesting thing, and this is one of the things I pointed out in the balance of crowds, is, you know, we all get things wrong in our lives.
	But we should always try to be open to correct things when we get them wrong.
	And you see, somebody in the position that Rachel Maddow is in cannot do that because they have decided on the line.
	They've decided on what the truth is.
	And then when unfortunate facts come along, they just have to keep going because they've already got this line.
	They've already said, this is what happens and the virus stops when that happens.
	So they've got themselves into this position, but it is an absolutely classic demonstration of why the American public have, quite understandably, lost faith and trust in the media.
	Well, let's stay on this for a moment, Douglas.
	This question of getting it wrong, admitting you're wrong, and trying to do a course correction.
	After we had the elections in 2016, it was what a month in October, a month before the election, we have the New York Times say Hillary Clinton has a 92% chance of winning.
	On the day of the election, the Huffington Post says she has a 96% chance of winning.
	Then she is beaten, she is trounced, And in January, the publisher of the New York Times holds an editorial meeting and said, I guess we got it wrong.
	I guess we were in some kind of echo chamber and we need to broaden the aperture.
	Have you seen any sign in any mainstream legacy media in the last five years of the broadening of the aperture?
	Or just how about this one case on a serious issue like Corona or like elections of somebody in the legacy media saying, Yep, I screwed up.
	I'm sorry, Douglas.
	And I think this is one of the saddest things of the last decade, and one of the biggest missed opportunities.
	You see, the way I see it is that 2016 in America was, among other things, a very important moment for a segment of the American mainstream, center ground, and indeed left, to make an incredibly important turn.
	A turn they had not been able to make to date.
	and which it had taken the right a long time to recognize.
	And that was the turn that for better or worse was encapsulated in Donald Trump's campaign.
	A recognition that America had lost control of its borders, a recognition that America had been losing its manufacturing, its industry and many jobs to China and other countries around the world.
	And a recognition among other things that there's a desire in the American people to feel good about their nation because their nation is good.
	Now, these are just three of the things.
	I could list many others, and you, Sebastian, could list many, many more.
	But these were very important things for the people who cared about winning elections to recognize.
	And the Republican Party in 2016 did recognize this, and their candidate won.
	And instead of recognizing these were really important things, the left and the center and the part of the right decided not to make the turn.
	They decided to pretend that the turn had not happened, or that they could ignore it, or that they could get rid of it, they could destroy the turn.
	And this actually, it's one of the lesser problems of what happened after that.
	But it is one of the problems that such a significant swathe of American opinion formers just couldn't accept the results of the election, because it was a problem for themselves and their own side.
	You know, what have the Democrats got to say now about migration?
	There's no reason why a left wing party can't get on top of migration.
	It's happened in Europe.
	Certain left wing governments have been able to get in in migration under control in There's no reason why it has to be a right wing issue.
	There's no reason why it shouldn't be a left wing issue.
	In fact, a Democrat Party issue that American laborers are losing their jobs or being undercut by foreign competition.
	There's no reason that should be a right wing issue.
	It could be a left wing issue.
	And yet, because the left and the centrists were not willing to make this acknowledgement, this turn, they just wasted their time.
	and everybody else's for years.
	And there's still no demonstration that they've learned from it.
	I think it's a great sadness for America as a whole.
	I want to examine what the possible logical scenarios are for both the media and the left if they persist in isolating themselves in these cocoons.
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	Douglas, you talked about the disconnect, the years now of the left and the media, which is of course the same.
	Being unable to deal with their mistake or their lack of understanding what was happening in politics in 2015, 2016.
	So let me ask you, what are the scenarios for both the media and the left?
	Number one, as long as you have the Jeff Bezos of the world, You know, drop a few billion here and there like, you know, they're buying a new Pekingese.
	You know, these things are vanity projects.
	The Washington Post is clearly a vanity project.
	Do market forces not apply and they can do it forever?
	Or is there a moment of collapse?
	How long can the party, the left for example, be disconnected?
	How long can that disjunction between reality and that quote-unquote political elite last before there's some kind of Necessary self-introspection, or can they stretch it out forever?
	You know, you remember there was a famous law, Herbert Stein's law.
	Stein's law is things that cannot go on, won't.
	And it's a fine law, but I've often tweaked it.
	A slightly more cynical version is that in my experience, Things that cannot go on usually do.
	That's a moderate tweak there, Douglas.
	A moderate tweak.
	It's an important one though, isn't it?
	How many times have you, I, and many others looked at situations in government, in the media, in society, and said, that just can't go on.
	And yet, a few years later, you look back and you see that's what you said, and the thing in question is still going on.
	Incompetency of this scale, that can't go on!
	And it goes on.
	So my experience would suggest this disconnect can go on an awfully long time, as long as the New York Times is in funds, and it is.
	It'll just keep doing what it needs to do to speak to its base, as it now thinks of its readers as being.
	Now, I think, however, in America that a very, very important struggle is on in this regard.
	And I'm not at all downhearted about it.
	The American media is in a very interesting place.
	It's quite different from in my own country of birth, in Great Britain, where there's a serious right-wing media as well as some left-wing media.
	In America, there's very little right-wing media of a conventional kind, and a huge amount of left-wing media.
	So almost all of the newspapers are left-wing in America now.
	There's no reason in nature why that needs to be the case.
	Just as there's no reason in nature why the tech platforms have to be run by people who, like Bezos and Zuckerberg and others, make these cack-handed attempts to sort of silence voices, particularly when they're voices from the right.
	There's no reason why that has to be the case.
	There are many significant figures, philanthropists, entrepreneurs in America who could, if they got organized, turn this around.
	And I think that may well happen in the years ahead.
	My view is that people are coming through the period of sort of disorientation on the platform.
	Do you remember about sort of five, maybe a bit longer years ago, people didn't really quite know what Twitter was doing.
	They didn't know, for instance, about shadow banning.
	They didn't know that Twitter could pretend to be publishing something but actually be dampening it down.
	People are so wise to that now.
	What person using YouTube who knows about politics doesn't now know what a censor YouTube is.
	And so we're sort of coming through that period.
	And people who aren't particularly technologically advanced are just users of information, like all of us are, are starting to be and have started to become aware of this.
	So now we're getting into a very exciting phase, and for America it should be a particularly exciting phase, because this is the country of innovation.
	In America, we should now be in this stage where new platforms arise, and they're already arising, which not only take on these other platforms, these old platforms, but beat them.
	And I think it's the same with the newspapers.
	America has a number of great newspapers.
	They punch above their weight, they have enormous significant reach, and they may be in a minority when they are on the right.
	but their reach is incalculable.
	So I'm not at all downhearted about this.
	And I don't like the self-pitying on the right, which you sometimes hear, which is sort of all of big techs against us, the media's against us and so on.
	My question and my challenge to you on that then is, so what are you gonna do to change it?
	There's no place in America you can't change it.
	Right.
	No, I mean, this is the land of opportunity and invention, you know, of Ford and everybody else.
	But are you not concerned that the parlours, the ghettos, et cetera, will create not competitors, but because of the scale discrepancy, it will become a ghetto for conservative voices?
	Well, that's certainly a possibility.
	Possibility.
	And that's one of the things that I think people have worried about with Parnagetta and so on.
	It's one of the reasons why, so far, these platforms, to an extent, haven't been able to take out, for instance, Twitter, is that people actually do like to take on the other side.
	You know, it's why it's sort of fun occasionally watching Rachel Maddow.
	I mean, you wouldn't want your television to be tuned into her all the time.
	But it is enjoyable to see somebody with a totally opposing point of view.
	And to an extent, as long as platforms like Twitter exist in their current form, they give people the opportunity to see people with totally different opinions and then sort of wrestle it out and wrangle it out.
	And it's true that there's a risk of a sort of ghettoization otherwise.
	But who knows?
	Something constructive will come from this.
	Same thing with Rumble.
	Something constructive will come from this.
	There's no inevitability Uh, of the current tech platforms and another, just one other quick thing on this.
	It's taken a while for people to work this out, but a former employee at several of the major Silicon Valley firms put it best.
	And I quote this in the man's of crowds some years ago, and he said, the business model of the tech platforms is based on the discovery that people are willing to correct other people's behavior for free.
	Yes, that is.
	Every time you engage on Twitter with some idiot from the other side or your own side, you're falling out and you're telling them they're an idiot, they're telling you you're an idiot.
	Every time you're doing that, nobody's getting paid for it.
	We're all spending our own free time doing it.
	The only person that's getting rich off it are the tech lords.
	People are also aware of that increasingly, I think, as well.
	We're in a period, as I've often said, like the period after the invention of the printing press.
	It took a very long time for the effect of Gutenberg to be felt.
	We're feeling it much faster, but we're feeling it and we're using our feet and our senses to work it out.
	All I know is we shouldn't be working in our spare time for the tech overlords.
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	Douglas, right at the beginning of our discussion, you mentioned the trans extremists.
	As I tweeted out, I heard the news on Monday morning about who won the Best Actress at the Golden Globes, the trans swimmer who trounced the other swimmer from Penn State, and then what was the third thing?
	It was... Oh yes!
	Oh yes, the winner of Jeopardy, a rather...
	Masculine looking woman.
	This came from another radio host, my friend Chris Platt, I'll give him full credit.
	Could you comment on this?
	Because I think this is the issue that's going to break the left's back, the trans agenda.
	A man in a skirt wins Jeopardy if two husky, large men are winning the female swimming contest and a man who has the chromosomes of a male wins Best Actress at the Golden Globes.
	Doesn't it mean that men are better than women in all of these fields?
	And where are the feminists, Douglas?
	Oh, you have just led me on to the most dangerous discussion of our time.
	OK, here we go.
	Where are the feminist, Douglas?
	Where's Title IX?
	The truth is the feminists are speaking up.
	One of the developments of recent years has been, particularly outside of America, feminists have been speaking up.
	American feminists of a great older school like Camille Paglia have been speaking up for some time.
	The classics!
	I'm talking about the new wave ones who are deafening by their silence.
	I agree.
	I wouldn't even call them feminists.
	What I would say is kind of young kids.
	Let's put it like that.
	The sort of teens and 20-somethings, the people who we always hear about in publishing houses who announce that the publishing house can't publish the next bestseller by J.K.
	Rowling because it could potentially offend their non-binary friend.
	I mean, that, by the way, was something that was actually, actually said.
	That wasn't my invention.
	But it's those people.
	I don't even think we're talking about a school of, as it were, feminists.
	I think it's just a generation Who has not realized that trans rights and women's rights rub against each other very badly.
	Now that's the nub.
	Isn't that the nub, Douglas?
	That if, you know, women's rights cannot not exist as we perceive them to be in the 20th century, if it's just nullified by, I can be a woman if I deem myself a woman.
	Yeah, it totally undermines the feminist cause.
	And that's why I say, in the matters of gravity, it's notable, actually, the number of left-wing feminists who started to point this out in recent years.
	And by the way, I should just mention something else.
	I, and perhaps you in this regard, might confess, actually, we have a certain amount of male privilege in this regard.
	This is a phrase I've never liked to use.
	But there is in this discussion some male privilege because I say things about trans which when my female friends say the same thing they get unbelievable flak for from the trans lobby.
	Now I don't know whether that's because they know that they can't particularly impress me or make me feel any kind of fear.
	Quite hard to put off dealing with subjects that I want to deal with.
	But I also think there's something very interesting.
	The victimization of women who speak out about the trans thing is noticeably stronger than any attack on people like you or me.
	So let me just, this is fascinating.
	So for example, you and I can say things that J.K.
	Rowling as a biological woman can't.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	It's rather like the apostate thing in Islam.
	As you know, Ayaan Hirsi Ali annoys Islamists far more than you or I do.
	Because they see her as being a much bigger threat.
	Somebody who's been in Islam and then leaves it.
	And I think something similar is happening in the feminist trans thing.
	I try this out almost deliberately sometimes, actually.
	J.K.
	Rowling says things that are so mild, and so true, and so careful, and she's no kind of bigot about anyone.
	Like all of us, actually.
	She thinks that basically where there are trans people who are actually trans people, and not just people wanting attention, which I think is sometimes the case, or people who are mentally disturbed, which is sometimes the case.
	Um, you know, J.K.
	Rowling, like most us, wants, you know, actual trans people to be treated with respect and dignity like all other human beings.
	She's never said anything otherwise.
	I sometimes try things out just to see, as it were, what I can get away with.
	And I always get away with it on the trans thing.
	I said a little while ago that if you look at the photos of the people on social media going for J.K. Rowling, many of them look like figures that you haven't seen outside of a painting by a Hieronymus Bop.
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	Let's get up to the 50,000 feet altitude, Douglas.
	As a very keen observer of politics on both sides of the Atlantic, can you help navigate, give us a new taxonomy?
	I mean, I grew up in England, born in England, grew up in London, saw the rise of Margaret Thatcher, saw that as true statecraft, and then we see what happened after that.
	What are the right labels today?
	The left-right, even the conservative socialist, has kind of broken down.
	Do you buy into the nationalist vice, the globalist, or is it the disconnected elites vice, the working class?
	Have you found new labels for what is happening on both sides of the Atlantic?
	The left-right thing has broken down quite significantly, I think.
	I'm not totally comfortable with the sort of nationalist-globalist dichotomy because I think it's well first of all because I'm well without getting it too bogged down I have lots of criticisms of the nature of the term nationalism because it means different things in different places and there are places where I think it's a very fine thing and places where it's a very dodgy thing.
	I mean you know as I said in Berlin just before the pandemic struck, you know, when Europeans are critical of nationalism or indeed even patriotism, it isn't because we don't trust, say, Americans with patriotism.
	It isn't because we don't trust, I don't know, Nigerians or Ecuadorians with patriotism.
	It's because we don't trust Europeans with patriotism, because we don't trust them with nationalism, specifically because we don't trust the Germans.
	And that is just a residue, fear, belief.
	But that's because, thanks to the Twitter- But that's because thanks to the 20th century, nationalism has an ethnic content in the European context.
	Of course.
	Which it doesn't in the American.
	Yeah, and we're still in living memory of just about living memory of that catastrophe, almost destroyed our continent of birth.
	And just, you know, there are just societies after societies across Europe that are still struggling to come to terms with it.
	Look at the current row in France over the presidential election.
	Yet again, you know, it goes back to a debate about history.
	How can France feel pride in itself and get around the problem of the 1940s in France?
	You know, it remains a living dilemma, a living problem.
	So I'm very, I'm very concerned about the nationalism, globalism.
	So what are better labels?
	I think probably one of the few that you can go for is small statists, big statists still.
	I think that still holds, broadly speaking, because here's a very interesting development that's happened particularly since the conservative government of Boris Johnson got into power.
	We've now got an increasing number of governments in Europe, and I think I would include Britain in this.
	that have effectively decided that the way forward is to be what we would have called right wing on identity issues, to not be fearful of patriotism, for instance.
	Now, as it happens, Boris Johnson's relatively weak on this, and I wrote about this in The Telegraph on Sunday.
	But the thing they have come to is this.
	You're relatively right-wing in the way we used to think of it on things to do with patriotism.
	So you're not scared of patriotism.
	You're not scared of talking about the we of the nation.
	But that doesn't mean that you're right-wing on economics as well.
	In fact, you go left-wing on economics.
	Now that's what the Johnson government in Britain has been doing.
	Record borrowing in peacetime.
	Tax rises, not tax cuts, massive public spending, and particularly massive increased public spending on an unreformed health service.
	Now, this isn't only an ideological thing.
	It's something that they recognize works at the polls.
	And the same thing I think you could say is the case in France and across certain other parts of Europe.
	There's been a recognition that the way to power In effectively welfare states, which of course America is not, but that effectively the way to power in welfare states is to be strong on the national identity thing and spend.
	Now, I don't know how long that lasts for.
	My suspicion is that it will only last as long as the economic party lasts.
	But that's been become in Europe, the path to power.
	America, it's different.
	Because in America, there is still a significant chunk of the American public who do not believe that increased borrowing, astronomic public spending is the way forward.
	And as we saw recently, even a couple of members of the Democratic Party have that.
	And that belief.
	So big government vice small government.
	That's the easiest moniker.
	I think it's one of the very few that you can you can identify as existing as a divide.
	Yes.
	And how are things faring?
	Give us an update, give us a snapshot of what's happening in the UK.
	I had, well, I think many of us had high hopes of Boris Johnson, but I don't know whether it was his bout with Covid or his new paramour, but he hasn't quite lived up to the classic conservative Thatcher I envision, has he?
	He hasn't.
	And, you know, much like America, this is in part a problem of the 1980s.
	You know, I mean, In America, quite understandably, people always say, you know, where is the new Reagan?
	Where is the Reagan?
	And in Britain, certainly on the right, the question is always where is the Thatcher?
	Boris Johnson is certainly no Thatcher.
	Certainly has not shown himself to be.
	And by the way, I should just point out on this one of one of his MPs said to me some time ago.
	Well, Douglas, you've got to remember that Margaret wasn't Margaret until about 1981.
	Now, that's true in some ways, although she did have very, very clear principles from the beginning.
	But it wasn't until she started to win on the economic front from about 1981 onwards that she really got her feet under the desk and managed to make the reforms she wanted.
	But here's the thing.
	The thing that made her different from Boris Johnson was, among other things, that Margaret Thatcher was incredible on the details.
	She wasn't just fearsome.
	She didn't just talk about it.
	She wouldn't have just sent tweets about it.
	As you can see from the papers that have been released under the 30 year rule and which Charles Moore writes about in his excellent three volume biography of Margaret Thatcher.
	You can see the documents that Margaret Thatcher worked on late at night to send back to the civil service.
	Things where she would write in the margin in her own hand in pen.
	No, I said this wasn't the case.
	I want it to be this.
	She would return things like a school, almost like a school mischief.
	Sending back homework that wasn't good enough.
	It wasn't what she asked for.
	She was always on top of the detail like that.
	It was one of the geniuses that she had.
	She wasn't just instinctively great.
	It wasn't just that she worked hard.
	It wasn't just that she had a body made of iron.
	It wasn't any of these things or any of these things on their own.
	It was that she was always on top of all of the details.
	It reminds me... And she expected that of everyone else too.
	And that was not, that is not the case with Boris Johnson.
	It reminds me, and I think it's still at the Reagan Library today, of the marginalia on the speech, the Berlin Wall speech Reagan gave in 87, where the State Department had seven times removed the line tear down this wall and he's actually in the beast on his way to the Brandenburg Gate and he reinserts it by hand in eighth time.
	You must know Peter Robinson of the Hoover Institute.
	He was the person in the car with Reagan and he told me that Reagan asked him, said to Peter Robinson, is the line taken out of the speech again?
	And he said it is.
	The State Department have taken out the tear down this wall line again and Reagan turned to Peter and he said, am I the president?
	And he said, you are, sir.
	And he said, the line goes in.
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	The Line of the Line How much of what you're writing about, and you've revealed enough, thank you so much, Douglas, how much of it has to do with secularism and self-hatred?
	Well, there's a huge amount of that.
	A huge amount of that.
	What I wrote about in The Strange Death of Europe, which applies so much to America as well, is this thing of sort of looking for stories to tell ourselves, you know?
	You run out of a story, and human beings need stories.
	And we had stories.
	And by the way, the term story isn't meant to be at all derogatory.
	It doesn't mean it's untrue.
	But for instance, the story of Christianity is a story that kept our civilization running for two millennia.
	The story of America is a story that has inspired not just Americans, millions of Americans, but millions and millions of people around the world for centuries.
	Now, if you strip away these stories, you either have this void, which is where sadly a lot of young people in particular can find themselves and they struggle through, or you have to invent new stories.
	And what we've seen in America in recent years in particular has been an attempt, mainly by the left, to invent new stories.
	What is the 1619 Project?
	But an attempt to invent a new story, a new story to believe in.
	But here's the catch.
	It's a story where America is all guilty.
	It's a story where America is all bad.
	It's a story where everyone who founded this country is appalling.
	But I think there's a way out of that.
	And I would, by the way, mention it to you in one single statistic.
	Year on year, various The one that we are told was built on racism and slavery, right?
	chart where people in the world want to move so much of the world wants to migrate so much of the world wants to move from the countries they're in from good countries from benighted countries from peaceful countries and from countries of war what's the number one country still this year as in every previous year that people want to come to the one that we are told was built on racism and slavery right that's the one douglas
	yep you know there is no significant movement to eritrea or nigeria or somalia somalia or anywhere else Nobody is looking for the great freedom of China.
	You do not see people breaking through the borders of China, apart from North Korea, which is the only country in the world less free than China.
	Apart from there, you see nobody wanting to move to China.
	Now, we should take a lesson from this.
	There's something we've been doing right in America, which Means it's something we should probably keep doing.
	And that's why it's all the more important to save this republic because if this one falls, there is nowhere else to escape to.
	And I say that as the child of those who escaped a communist dictatorship.
	Well, you've teased it enough.
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	Do it, my friends, do it right now.
	And all that is left to say is, Douglas, God bless you for being one of the few truth-tellers out there, because as I've found in the last three years, especially during Covid, the Virtue we lack the most is courage, and courage is the virtue that makes all the other ones possible.
	God bless you, Douglas Murray.
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