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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Have you seen what McDonald's did to an unvaccinated child?
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Welcome, dear friends.
Greetings.
This is America First with me, your host, Sebastian Gorka, former deputy assistant to President Trump.
And still, because Biden's really a...
Stop it!
Still a member of the National Security Education Board of the Pentagon.
Bring it.
I dare you.
This is the Salem Radio Network.
We have the lowest inflate... Lowest?
We have the highest inflation since 1982.
I think I can do new math.
What's that?
40 years?
Is it 40 years?
I do think it's 40 years!
40 years, 7% inflation.
Thank you, Biden.
I want to put a challenge out there to anyone.
Please, seriously.
Seriously.
Not the little sad cases in their basement who listen to us and then type stuff up like, what's-his-name-little-sacky-poo.
But, you know, normal.
Just normal Democrats.
If you voted for Biden, I want to hear from you and what you think of, I don't know, 7% inflation or $4 a gallon gas.
Just give me a call.
We'll be nice.
Maybe.
833-33 Gorka.
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Tell us, are you happy with your vote?
If you voted for the sleepy old senile git, I want to hear from you.
They've subpoenaed one of my buddies, my actual office mate.
He was in the office next to me in the White House.
A regular guest here, a good guy, Andy Sarabian.
They are so... He wasn't even there on January the 6th.
That's how desperate they are.
Have you seen what McDonald's has done?
When it comes to vaccines, you will be shocked.
We are on strike.
We refuse to purchase anything from Ronald until they rescind this vaccine mandate that has turned a five-year-old out onto the street.
We'll give you those details.
And relatively sane people are saying, Hillary has to run in 2024.
We'll give you all the details.
Please, please do it.
Please, please do it.
But first, there was a gentleman a long time ago.
Do you remember Leo Leibovitz?
Big guy, writes for the Tablet.
He was on the show a couple of years ago, long time ago.
And I was at an amazing event yesterday, the DC launch of Freedom Square.
We're going to tell you who came up.
All the conservatives, rock stars were there.
We're going to share the photographs from the event.
But there was Jan Jekielek of the Epoch Times, who said, did you read that article by Lyle?
And I hadn't.
And he said, it's one of the most important articles of the last year.
And I want to share it with you because something's happening!
People who voted Biden, people who have been Democrats all their lives, like Lyle Leibowitz, have become conservatives.
Yes!
He's become a conservative!
Let me share with you the arguments from his article.
We're going to post it right now.
It's called The Turn.
It's from the tablet, The Turn, by Lyle Leibowitz.
And I'm just going to give you the most relevant parts.
And tell me if you're hearing this, if you're seeing this, or if you are a person who has undergone the turn.
So here we go.
It's really good.
You might be living through the turn if you ever found yourself feeling like free speech should stay free, even if it offends some group or individual, but now you can't admit it at dinner with friends because you're afraid of being thought a bigot.
You are living through the turn if you have questions about public health policies, including the effects of lockdowns and school closures on the poor and most vulnerable in our society.
But you can't ask those questions out loud, because you know you'll be labelled an anti-vaxxer.
You are living through the turn if you think that burning down towns and looting stores isn't the best way to promote social justice, but feel you can't say so because you know you'll be called a white supremacist.
I, as a lifelong Democrat, have an important thing to tell you.
If the left is going to make it right-wing to simply be decent, then it's okay to be right-wing.
As a leftist, as a democrat, you don't get to be against the rich if the richest people in the country fund your party in order to preserve their government-sponsored monopolies.
You are not a supporter of free speech if you oppose free speech for people who disagree with you.
You are not for the people if you pit most of them against each other based upon the colour of their skin or force them to be out of their jobs because of personal choices related to their bodies.
You are not serious about economic inequality When you happily order from Amazon.com without caring for the devastating impact your purchases have on the small businesses that increasingly are either subjugated by Jeff Bezos' behemoth or crushed by it altogether.
You are not for science if you refuse to consider hypotheses that don't conform to your political convictions and then try to ban critical thought and inquiry from the Internet.
If you are undergoing the turn, if you are shifting from a life of being on the left and being a Democrat and voting Democrat, but you're changing your mind, it's worth understanding that your story has a happy ending.
The freedom you feel on the other side is so real, it's physical.
It's like emerging from a long stretch underwater and taking that first deep breath in the cool afternoon air.
None of it makes the lost friends or the lost career opportunities any less painful.
But there's no more potent source of renewable energy than liberty.
And your capacity to reinvent yourself, your group, your life, is greater than you realize.
So, welcome to the right side, dear friend, and join us in laughing at all the idiotic name-calling that is applied, with increasing hysteria to try and stop more and more normal Americans from joining our ranks.
Fascists!
Conspiracy theorists!
Anti-science racist TERFs!
Whatever.
We have a better word to describe ourselves, and that word is free.
Wow, I don't know.
I think it's happening.
I'm super excited.
If you're one of those people who is undergoing the turn, who is in the midst of it, who has decided, yes, I have buyer's remorse, which means I'm a conservative now.
Give us a call.
Likewise.
You voted for Biden.
Maybe you're not undergoing the turn.
I want to hear from you too.
I want to hear about what you think about the highest inflation in 40 years.
About the fact you can't buy milk.
Give us a call.
I'm so curious.
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- You ever hear that guy,
He used to have this weekend show, and all the conservative... Cigar Dave?
You ever listen to him?
He used to be on, like, every conservative station on Saturday.
Oh, yeah?
Was there a vanity thing?
Did he pay for it, or was it a... I don't know.
Probably paid for it, I assume.
Cigar Dave?
Yeah.
But he's not around now?
I don't know.
See, his weekends... I just go to podcasts now.
Because everything's an infomercial.
Yeah.
Uh, let's post that, um... Yeah.
What should we do?
What should they call that?
Oh, Brandon Herrera said yes to doing an interview at SHOT, Brandon Herrera said yes to doing an interview at SHOT, and also the CEO, Silencer Central, Do you remember his name?
I'll find it.
I got it.
I'll give it to you.
Brandon Maddox.
Maddox.
Yeah, we had him on before.
Should you get, he was pretty good, that congressman that owns a gun show.
He's always there.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can you remember his name?
North Carolina.
I'll find him.
Good.
All right.
All right, so what should we call that?
The Democrat turn, capital T, colon, it's happening.
All right.
Can you play me 15?
15. - Okay.
Sarah, we certainly don't see inflation slowing down in our business.
You know, we take a look at our our food basket, you know, as as you mentioned, we see an 8 to 10 percent increase in the food basket 2022 relative to 2021.
And we also see continued wage inflation across the marketplace as well as we look forward this year.
All right, Mr. Gillum, can you hear us?
I sure can.
All right.
We can hear you.
And our mics are live on Rumble and Facebook at this time.
And we have you on video.
Hey, buddy.
What's going on, my friend?
Happy New Year.
How we doing?
Happy New Year.
Good.
I'm out here in sunny Arizona.
I can tell.
It's great picture.
Great sound.
Love it.
Oh, it's nice out here.
Are you going to SHOT Show?
I don't know.
I don't know.
You know, it's like down 70% attendance and a lot of the big people pulled out.
I just don't know if I want to go or not.
They may have people wear masks.
I don't know if I want to be there.
I think it's going to be great, because it won't be the madhouse that it usually is.
Yeah.
Well, if it's not the madhouse, I don't know if I'll make any money then.
Are you going?
Yeah, I'm going.
I'm going for a couple of days.
We're going to broadcast from there.
All right.
I may think about it, since you're going to be up there.
We'll see.
All right.
Standby.
20 seconds.
We're going to have fun.
All right.
Standby.
Thank you.
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First guest of the day.
Somebody's been far too long since we had him on the show.
Another great patriot.
He is the host of the Experts podcast.
Former SEAL, For an FBI special agent, follow him right now on Twitter at JGilliam underscore SEAL.
Jonathan, welcome back to America First!
Oh, the Skype.
The Skype connection.
The technology has frozen on us.
Will you call Jonathan up on his cell phone?
Because we've got a lovely picture of him sitting outside somewhere in Arizona.
And I had to jinx it.
I said, what a great picture and what great sound.
And of course, we've got the picture, but no sound.
But that's OK.
In the meantime, we're going to play the cut of the thing I wish him.
To comment on.
And it's very, very interesting.
We have an individual called Ray Epps, who was, well, I'll use the word inciting, but you judge for yourself.
This was the day before the January 6th, what shall we call it?
Hooliganism.
Ray Epps.
Play cuts.
I'm gonna put it out there.
I'm probably gonna go to jail for it, okay?
Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol!
Into the Capitol!
No!
Peacefully!
Fed!
That was the day before he was saying we've got to go into the Capitol.
He was one of the instigators on the day, on the FBI's wanted list for months.
And then he magically disappears.
And now Nancy has made a statement that he's not an FBI asset.
Do you trust Nancy?
That's the question we'll ask right now.
Jonathan Gilliam, are you there?
I'm here.
Isn't that weird?
Weird, we start talking about this, and all of a sudden our feed just drops.
I don't know.
Yeah, it was such a perfect feed.
It was such a perfect connection.
And I say January 6th, and then, oh, we lose you.
Okay, dude, I don't want to put you in a difficult position, but you are a straight shooter.
You are the author of an amazing book, A Sheep No More.
You just, you know, you tell truth for a living.
Talk to us about just your take on the last 11 months and the whole January 6th case.
Well, first of all, you're not putting me in a hard position at all because this is not the FBI that I work for.
These are not the laws and the policies that I This is nonsense what's going on now.
I think it's important for people to realize that when an individual is tasked to do something by the FBI or any other government agency, they then become not just a source for the government, but they actually become the government.
When they are being tasked, they are working as a functioning member of the government.
So when you think of whether it's Silicon Valley who is monitoring your speech and censoring your speech on behalf of the government, they are acting as a part of the government.
And the same thing here.
If this Ray Epps was being directed by the government, he is in fact part of the government when he does that.
Same thing occurred in Michigan.
When you had individuals who had planned to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, the governor there, and then they find out that, I don't know, it was like 12 of the individuals that were helping plan that were sources for the government being led by an FBI agent.
Well, they are all acting as part of the government when they do that.
So it's important for people to realize that, because if Ray Epps was doing that, He was doing that on behalf of the government, which means that the government itself was instigating these riots.
On the other hand, the possibility, because he was connected to the Oath Keepers, who I know very well, and the Oath Keepers is filled with incredible patriots, people who love this nation, And they could have flipped him after the fact.
So let me ask you, if you look at the timeline, there's two scenarios there that strike me as being plausible.
If after January 6th, he's at the top of the FBI's most wanted list in the 700 arrests that were made, and then he disappears, it's unlikely he was a CI unless they're so stupid they don't know they've put a confidential informant on their own most wanted list.
Or the other scenario is that he was a bad guy, they flipped him, and then he gets immunity.
As a former special agent, what's your gut feeling, Jonathan Gilman?
Well, I think he was probably flipped.
And I think that, you know, he could have been a source for somebody, but was not a known source.
Because, you know, sources are protected even within the FBI.
You don't want everybody in the FBI knowing someone is a source.
He could have been a source for someone that worked in and around the Oath Keepers and other Patriot groups.
And then he went and got caught up in this and did it.
And then they took his name down.
That could be a case.
I think most likely he was probably there, got involved in stuff,
And then he got flipped because, as you can see, the government coming down on people, which, you know, we've seen with some of these videos that people like Nick Cercei have done, you know, and I've talked to agents that are on the Joint Terrorism Task Force in New York, and it's unbelievable that they're going in and raiding people's homes with SWAT teams, with helicopters, with bomb-sniffing dogs, and, you know, other types of working dogs.
bomb squad out there, and all these people did walk into the Capitol building.
They did nothing.
So, you know, listen, I have to say this, though.
If you're going to show up and stand against the government, which a lot of people did, okay, there's a lot of people that just wanted to be there and show up, and they wanted to show that they were not happy with the government.
They have every right to do that.
But if you're going to show up and you're going to do something, you know, and you go and you do Instagram, you're going to get in trouble.
You're going to get in trouble if you go inside and that is your goal to go in there and put yourself on Instagram after windows are getting broken and things.
You're going to get in trouble.
And when the Democrats are in charge, you're going to pay the man.
And that's what's occurred.
There's an old saying in the teens, everybody wants to be a warrior until it's time to go to war.
Yeah.
You know, listen, if you're going to show up and do Instagram, you're going to get yourself in trouble.
All right, stay on the line.
We're going to keep you over for one more segment.
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The End
What's the source?
Seriously.
I'm glad we don't have a pawn radio station.
What?
What?
I'm glad we don't have a pawn radio station.
Never forget.
Well, if they are W-I-C-H, they're witch.
It's not witch, but it's witch.
Back on the line.
Talk to us, Jonathan.
Here I am.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Say January the 6th.
Say Nancy Pelosi January the 6th.
Say what?
January 6th.
January 6th.
Multiple times.
See what happens.
January 6th, January 6th, January 6th, January 6th.
Nancy.
Hello, Nancy.
Hi.
Hi.
It's the American equivalent of the Tiananmen Square meme.
Oh, no.
We've run into, uh... We've run into the algorithm.
No.
What was Eric Chiaramella's involvement?
Eric Chiaramella!
I forgot about that guy!
Eric Chiaramella.
The man who doesn't exist.
We're off Facebook.
There goes our Facebook stream.
Boom.
Alright, 90 seconds.
I got a title line for the prerecord.
Did I give you one for 1A?
Yes, you did.
Okay, good.
Fire all the generals.
Yep.
Okay, one minute.
Yep, one minute.
Oh, um...
Two, two, two...
Oh, can I hit 12, please?
12.
Podcasting relief here.
Component one is the fact that the far-right anti-vaccine aggression has caused 200,000 Americans since June to, last June, to lose their lives because they were defiant of vaccines.
So there is, and this is coming right out of the CPAC conference, vaccines are political instruments of control, or first they'll vaccinate you, then they'll take your guns and Bibles away.
Is that the same guy who's on Fox every now and then?
No, I love that guy.
He always has to wear his doctor lab coat.
Can you come in with scaffold guy?
Can you come in with scaffold guy?
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Okay, we're in!
We're in!
Come on!
We gotta fill up the Capitol!
Come on!
Come now!
Come now, we need help!
We're gonna fill up the Capitol!
They got in!
Come on!
Move forward!
Move forward!
Climb up over the wall!
Get into those bleachers!
Climb in over the wall.
We're in the Capitol.
That is called the Scaffold Commander.
An individual who, uh, weird, just kind of disappeared into thin air, standing with a bullhorn on the highest point, ordering people into the Capitol on January the 6th.
We're back with the author of Sheep No More, Jonathan Gillum.
Follow him at jgillum.
Former FBI special agent, former SEAL, and just a truth-teller extraordinaire.
He is the host of The Experts podcast.
Jonathan, I want you to expand upon what you said, because I didn't serve in the FBI, but I've trained literally thousands of IAs, SOSs, and special agents over the years before I joined the White House on jihadi strategy.
And everywhere I went, Great reception.
Got the challenge coin from the senior agent.
Got the RA pin or the FO pin or whatever.
And it was a big deal for me.
And when I went to the next one, I changed my pin out.
I don't wear those pins anymore.
Those challenge coins might as well be melted down.
Can you talk to us about how the FBI that you served in doesn't exist anymore?
And when did it change?
Well, it's interesting.
You know, when I left in 2013, I already saw this forming.
Under Mueller, you could see that they were systematically changing the FBI to become the premier intelligence gathering agency, not the premier law enforcement agency.
And so, you know, my squad that I was on when that was occurring, we kept asking the question, who is this really benefiting?
Because the only information we're getting from this premier intelligence agency is the information that we provided, and that would get fed back to us.
So we started to become very skeptical about who this was benefiting, and it really was not benefiting the agents that are on the ground.
So ultimately, I think that the change started under Mueller.
And I think when Comey came in, It was just, it became devastated because of who he is and who he's associated with, which is the left, as is Mueller.
So, you know, I think the change occurred there, but it didn't change with a lot of the agents that were of my tenure.
I'd be retiring in three years if I had stayed in.
But here's what's interesting, you know, when I went in in 2005, I remember, because the senior class will escort the new agents, new class members in when they come there, and I remember a guy showing up with a Shea Guevara t-shirt on.
Are you kidding?
What?
Yeah.
And I didn't, you know, what's interesting is that I had been in the government at that point for 15 years in various agencies and in the SEAL teams.
And I didn't really, I thought he was an idiot.
You know, I just, I didn't know about what was happening in the government until I got out.
And I think here's what people need to realize is that the recruitment that's been going on for years and years, it's now visible.
You can see these stupid videos that they do with the CIA or, or that, you know, whoever.
But that recruitment of pushing for people that are leftists and have this liberal ideology has been going on for a long time.
Now you're starting to see the fruit of that poison vine.
All right, we've got 90 seconds left.
Here's my big question for you.
Since the last five years of this targeting of a presidential candidate and then a presidential administration by the IC, by the FBI, by the NSA, by the CIA, we have had one, one whistleblower from the Bureau out of 30,000 people.
Why only one, Jonathan?
Well, I think, you know, here's the problem with this nation is that people are too concerned with their careers.
They're afraid they're going to get in trouble, lose their pension.
And it really transcends into the American public.
You know, people are afraid to get up.
And stand for the right thing together because they're afraid they're going to get in trouble.
And that's a real problem because when we think the Republican Party is going to go to Washington, D.C.
and solve all these problems, there is no warfighting machine within the Republican Party.
The warfighting machine is the people.
And until the people realize that, until these FBI agents realize that, they can speak up on what's going on.
It's gonna get worse and worse.
That's the reality.
It's up to us guys and this is of course a mid-term election year.
Make a difference.
Run, especially for local government.
Or if you're not, you should be supporting.
And I don't mean voting.
I mean actually supporting somebody who is because the left took the all politics is local seriously and we need to take back America.
One school board, one library board at a time.
God bless you Jonathan.
Hope to see you at SHOT Show.
He's Jonathan Gilliam.
The book is Sheep No More.
The podcast is Experts and he is on Twitter at jgilliam underscore seal.
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Your calls on 83333 Gawker.
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Alright, dude.
Hope to see you soon.
Good to see you.
And listen, I didn't get to say this on the air, but I truly believe this, especially with the school boards.
The left will pour thousands of dollars into a school board election, so I think conservatives need to start dying their hair pink, saying they're liberal, doing whatever it takes to get elected.
I was talking to one of these guys, a good guy, who funded a recent school board election.
The left threw $400,000 on a school board election on two candidates.
Two candidates!
Two candidates, so you might as well play the game.
If we don't start thinking tactically, you know, we're never going to win.
Alright, if I see you in Vegas, I want to see a pink beard next week, okay?
Oh, Lord have mercy.
Hey, by the way, that Eps guy lives like 20 minutes from here.
Are you serious?
Yeah, right over there, champ.
Wow, that's crazy.
All right, buddy.
Nicely done.
Cheers.
Take care.
Bye.
Okay, which cut did you want to see?
The dominoes again, 15. 15.
Sarah, we certainly don't see inflation slowing down in our business.
You know, we take a look at our food basket.
Oh, it doesn't seem to slow down.
Okay, good.
That's fine.
Okay, good.
Trish, yeah?
We've got 460 downloads already, so.
Oh!
Yeah, so we're getting started there.
Nice!
Alright, here she is.
Hello!
Hey!
How are you?
Good, good, good, good.
I'm going to play a cut from the Domino's CEO, and then I'm coming to you.
OK.
You want to go in with that?
No, I'll welcome Trish, then I'll play the cut.
That's easy.
You want to do the Trish intro?
Yeah, Trish intro, please.
Trish, that's right.
Yep.
All right.
And we're doing merchant relief here.
Alrighty.
Yokes.
35 seconds.
Standing by. Standing
by. Standing
by.
Thank you.
John, we're going to have to re-record that line because I don't know if she's done it yet but she has to change her name.
Trish is no longer relevant.
She is Cassandra because she can predict the future.
Let's listen to Domino's CEO Richard Allison talking about the state of the economy.
Cut 15!
Sarah, we certainly don't see inflation slowing down in our business.
You know, we take a look at our our food basket, you know, as as you mentioned, we see an 8 to 10% increase in the food basket 2022 relative to 2021.
And we also see continued wage inflation across the marketplace as well as we look forward this year.
She is the host of the Trish Regan show here on the Salem Network.
You can follow her at TrishIntel.com or on Twitter at Trish underscore Regan.
Or should I call you Cassandra?
Welcome back, Trish!
Hey, good to talk to you, Seb.
Like, you know, the Domino's CEO is telling it like it is.
Prices are going up.
We saw that reflected in today's inflation report.
I've been telling you for the last year and a half, it's really bad and it was going to continue getting bad.
And I'm predicting that by spring we will be looking at double digits.
But hang on a second.
There are noises, there are voices right now that are saying this is garbage.
They've been rigging the figures anyway with the house price index as well.
And it's beyond seven already.
What are you seeing?
Is this a real figure?
Oh yeah, it totally is.
I agree with that.
Actually, since like the early 80s, we haven't been factoring in housing prices.
So it's way worse than 7%.
What really irritated me, and you know, I was actually going to take today off from the podcast, but I couldn't because I saw what Joe Biden said.
And he actually, I mean, the guy's flat out lying.
He's absolutely lying because he's trying to convince Americans that they've got inflation under control, it's going in the right direction, and he actually said that food prices declined.
Guess what?
They didn't decline!
They went up in the month of December.
Gas prices fell slightly, down about 2.2%, but that was only because they scared the heck out of everybody with Omicron, and everybody stayed home that would have otherwise been traveling over the holidays, and so consequently you saw that drop off a little bit, oil prices.
have since, however, gone back up.
Yes.
So that will be reflected in the coming months.
Gasoline prices, which is already what people are paying now at the pumps.
So, I mean, the spin has got to stop, guys.
I mean, whether they were lying about Joe Manchin, remember, that was the big one.
Oh, yeah, he's also going back better, even though he wasn't.
Or whether they're lying about inflation.
Now, the record figure today, the 40-year high, goes back to 1982, which is, of course, the first functional year of the first Reagan term.
Back then, if I remember well, but you are the expert, they inherited this garbage economy, this malaise from Carter, and the Fed Chairman Volcker just pumped the interest rates at the Fed to get a control of inflation.
Is that what we should be doing now, or is the problem even more complex?
Well, we probably should have done it seven months ago, back when I... You know, we still say, what the heck is the Fed doing?
I mean, I think that's part of your intro.
Does the Fed even know what it's doing?
No, it doesn't.
It's always a day late, dollar short.
And so here they are again.
This is exactly what Larry Summers... Like, we're not talking about a right-wing conservative.
We are talking about a guy who has worked for two Democratic presidents, both Obama and Clinton.
The Treasury Secretary under Clinton, head of the National Economic Council under Barack Obama, Larry Summers predicts that inflation was out of control and that the Fed would overreact, you know, trying to bring it back.
And so higher and higher interest rates.
We'll suppress the economy.
So, you know, at this point, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.
We're back in those years, like what Volcker had to do, where you just keep raising rates to get it under control.
But it is one big, giant mess.
And let me just add to all this, you know, before we blame the Fed for everything, Joe Biden is the one who came up with the third round of stimulus.
Joe Biden is the one who not only did his third round, but wants to argue for a fourth stimulus check and all kinds of other freebies.
He wants to spend more money, Seb, at a time when we should be scaling back because we can't afford it and this inflation's out of control.
I mentioned yesterday we have a green room here.
We feed and water our guests.
We make them a cup of coffee if they want.
We can't buy milk in D.C.
You can't buy milk to have in our coffee.
People who escaped the Soviet Union are saying, yeah, I saw this in Minsk the last time I witnessed empty shelves.
How bad can it actually get?
It can get worse.
I mean, I'm going through the same thing.
My kids are like, they don't like whole milk.
They like the, you know, 2%.
And they don't have any 2% these days.
I got the last few gallons of milk that I could and it's whole milk.
I'm like, Duff, you know what?
You're going to have to deal with it for a while.
The grocery store shelves are empty.
You can come with me next time.
I'll show you.
I believe you.
There's nothing there.
I couldn't even, you couldn't buy chicken the other day at Whole Foods.
I'm like, you got to be kidding me.
They were trying to explain to me, yeah, there's kind of a run on chicken.
I'm like, really?
It is a supply issue, and it's going to get worse.
And I understand, you know, Joe Biden can't totally control that.
We can't entirely blame the thing on him.
But, you know, there are ways of allowing for a more productive economy, and that's where it gets back to policy.
I mean, I really think The Trump administration did it so well.
He understood, by the way.
President Trump understood the importance of letting businesses have that freedom.
And so if you just get out of the way, you lower taxes, you lessen regulation, that kind of frees things up.
We've had only the opposite and the promise of more onerous things to come.
And so that makes business owners nervous.
I think that it's just been the wrong regulatory and sort of political environment for a lot of businesses.
On top of that, they can't find employees.
Which compounds the supply chain.
You can't unload a boat.
You can't unload a ship if you don't have longshoremen.
Exactly.
I mean, and so, you know, I know you've talked a lot and you've shown the pictures of all those boats.
Sitting off the coast of California, but if you don't have the people to unload the stuff, if you don't have the truckers to get it across the country, what do you do then?
I mean, think of how incredibly difficult it should be, but someone managed to do it, to create an environment with record low unemployment, 3.9%, and yet a stumbling economy.
People don't want to go back to work, even though we're in this messed up economy.
So how messed up, fundamentally, is that?
That takes very special, I won't call it skill, I'll call it anti-skill.
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And whoever did her eyebrows should be put in eyebrow prison.
They're supposed to be lower than your hairline.
Scary!
I mean, when I saw her on the TV, I photographed it mid-show and I just posted it on Twitter and said, What's with the eyebrows?
Not natural!
Not normal!
Scary!
That's how you scare your kids.
She's like the Wicked Witch from the fairy stories.
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Dale, Detroit, thank you for waiting patiently.
Hey, Dr. G. Hey, I think those eyebrows are more like Bozo.
They are the clown like somebody else, but what's the name of the clown from It?
Penny... Penny... Pennywise.
It's like Pennywise from It!
Well look at Bozo.
Pull Bozo up.
We'll find Bozo and do it side by side.
But that's not why you rang.
Why did you ring, Dale?
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Why did you call, Dale?
You always do some brilliant dedications.
It's Rush's birthday.
It's his first birthday since he passed last year.
I was wondering if you could do something today.
That is a superb suggestion.
What do they call them?
They call them angel birthdays, right?
If that's the case, we're checking it right now.
I think we have to have a tribute.
Dale, superb idea.
I think we have to... just the evergreen.
Did we even put it on my machine?
If we didn't, I know John can dig it up for the next hour.
There's the one, he was already sick, he'd already told the world that he had cancer.
And there was that one show, it's a video clip we've used again and again and again, which just resonated with me because it's something I've said on the show many times as an immigrant to this country that We just don't despair.
It's un-American.
And there's that short clip where he said, Have I ever told you to give up to despair?
No, and now's not the time.
Because it's never!
We're going to dig that up.
We're going to play it in the next hour.
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We're going to talk to Stephen Moore one-on-one.
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There we are.
Oh, Geoff?
The last one, the L.A.
Times.
Can you print that for me again, the one she sent?
Do you have yesterday's stuff?
Uh, I don't.
I don't have yesterday's.
Okay, these pictures?
Um... Yes!
Excellent!
Nice!
And... Yes!
Fabulous!
Good, good, good.
Alright, love it.
Okay, so, um... I assume she's gonna connect on Comrade shortly here.
Yep, it's up and ready to go.
Hang on, it's definitely it's definitely gotta do this.
Now, call me.
Where do you think that would be if I had the clip?
I think it was a video clip.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay, yeah, yeah, so for comparison, Pelosi and Bozo.
Good, let's do that, let's do that.
I've never even heard of Bozo, what is he?
Oh, Bozo's the most famous clown ever.
I thought Pogo the Clown was the most famous.
Who?
John Wayne Gacy.
Oh.
Pogo the Clown.
I don't know.
True crime.
Who doesn't love true crime?
Three minutes.
Okay.
Oh.
Three minutes.
Huh.
There we go.
Well, that's strange.
That's the first thing that came up.
Okay.
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You wanted to do Freedom Square here?
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All right, I'm going to talk about a little event I went to last night, and then we're going to have some fun.
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Yes, indeed.
Welcome back, dear friends.
America First on the Salem Radio Network coming to you from just outside the insalubrious, fetid, rank swamp that is Washington, D.C.
And we are connecting, as we do every week, to the person who is holding the fort out there on the West Coast in Los Angeles.
Host of the Morning Answer on AM 590, AM 870, the answer, Jennifer Horne.
Welcome back.
Hello!
Happy Wednesday already.
These weeks are just flying by.
I know, it's great.
What it's like, it is indeed Rush Limbaugh's birthday, as a caller just reminded us.
Happy birthday, Rush.
Happy angel birthday to Rush.
We're going to play a little clip from him later, one of my favorite clips, where he talks to the spirit and the legacy of the man.
First things first, though, I have to share with you, Jennifer, because you're a bit of a Party animal!
You're a socialite out there on the West Coast.
And I went to an event last night that recharged my batteries in the faith that we can always win against the swamp creatures.
My buddies at freedomsquare.com decided to have a launch here in the nation's capital, in the swamp, And I was a little bit worried because they invited me to kind of emcee it with other quote-unquote ambassadors for this amazing new digital Commonwealth for Patriots.
And you know, you're always worried.
You send out emails, you get private emails, and you're wondering, they're saying they're going to come, they're going to come.
Are they actually coming?
And last night, I don't know about you, you've got to tell me what it's like with politicians in your neck of the woods.
We're there, and congressmen and women who I contacted just started rolling in.
So whether it was Brian Babin from Texas, whether it was Jim Jordan who came after the votes in the House, or whether she was working so hard she rolled in at like 8.30 at night as we were winding down, but she said she wanted to come and check out the party.
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But I've got to ask you, are you...
Isn't that a good feeling when people who have a marquee, are famous, come to your little party?
Isn't it great?
You know every year, well not every year, but every year there is an election.
I like to put on events for the station that invite in all the people who are running for office.
And you know there are years when people say, oh I'll be there, we'll try to slip you in, we're in campaign mode, and you think no one's going to show up.
And then all of a sudden you have a jam-packed house filled with people that have become your friends and that are doing the good work.
And it does inspire you because it reminds you that there are still fighters out there.
There are still good people who want to run for office, not just those that want to enrich themselves.
So I love it.
I love that all your friends showed up.
And how about that?
Jim Jordan, Marjorie Taylor Greene, that's like a huge...
No, not what I expected.
We had Chris Plant from one of the morning shows here.
We had Andrew Claven.
Who else did we have?
Oh, Joe DiGenoa, Victoria Tansing.
I must have just missed my invitation in the mail.
No, no, I feel so... If you lived here, you would have been one of the pillars of that event, and we would have had you actually talking about Freedom Square, because what you do in your neck of the woods... And we gotta go to these stories you sent me.
Absolute insanity what's happening there.
Let's talk about, well, the LA Times.
The person who wrote this piece, that, you know, the anti-vaxxers should die and it's a good thing.
I gotta ask, because this guy is a rep, this author.
Is this like Howard Stern?
Is this just the shock jock of the LA Times?
Or do they really, really believe it?
If you missed it, there was a column that appeared in the LA Times this week and this was the headline.
I'm reading it to you now.
It says, mocking anti-vaxxers COVID deaths is ghoulish, yes, but may be necessary.
And the writer of this article says that it's necessary to say these things to mock people who died because that's how you're going to get people to take the vaccine.
Now, I understand in journalism, there is an effort by some to try to be a provocateur because you want to get people talking about your piece but we're living in a time where people and it's happening unfortunately on both sides of the aisle where people are just laughing and mocking those you know if it's sometimes on our side of the aisle if somebody who's vaccinated gets sick we go oh they got it too
Now, I think most of us are laughing about the irony of the push towards the vaccine that people are still getting sick, and we've been lied to.
But on the other side of the aisle, on the left, you've got people who are happy when the unvaxxed die.
And the example of that was a woman who was an assistant deputy district attorney in Orange County, and she passed away this past week.
The left went crazy because they don't know what she thinks about the vaccine, but because she had been outspoken against the vaccine mandates in her position in the DA's office, they thought it was fantastic that she died from complications of COVID and they literally were celebrating her death.
So now you have this author for the LA Times who comes out and says that that is Not only justified but necessary to try to push people who are obviously too small minded to figure out that they need to get vaccinated.
So we have to mock those people who die.
When just literally a year ago in October of 2020, He wrote another article that said President Trump was trying to kill us all by using emergency use authorization to get the vaccine to market quickly.
And that President Trump was going to try to murder Americans because the FDA is not meant to have emergency use approval.
We all know that the FDA does this.
They do it all the time.
However you feel about the vaccine, no law was broken in an effort by President Trump to get it to market.
So last year the vaccine was bad, this year if you die from not having the vaccine, that's a joke?
And this is the L.A.
Times, a Pulitzer Prize winning author for the L.A.
Times.
Let's name and shame.
Who's this person?
Let me get the name for you because I had never heard of this guy.
He is, let's see, his name is Michael Hiltzik.
Michael Hiltzik with the L.A.
Times.
He's a business columnist and he's the one that went on to mock the death of this woman and others who haven't taken the vaccine.
Yeah.
It's disgusting, isn't it?
I mean, where is the empathy?
They're the ones who preach that they're the moral.
They're the ones who care, Jennifer Horne.
And I'm sure he's also probably written many articles about a woman's choice, the right to choose over her own body.
Yeah.
Yeah, when it comes to the vaccine, no choice necessary or we'll mock you.
Let's talk about Covid in California.
We're talking to Jennifer Horne, follower at Jennifer Horne, also crntalk.com.
Is it true that the local health system is in a little bit of a quandary when it comes to unvaccinated personnel, Jennifer?
It is so laughable.
You got to strap in for this one.
So just a few months ago, California hospitals, police, fire, depending on the organization in California, whether or not they have the backbone to stand up to the governor, many, including the LAPD, fired officers for not getting the vaccine.
Many hospitals were ordered by Governor Newsom to fire people within the hospital system, even people who don't come in contact with patients.
If they don't have the vaccine, they lose their job.
And it happened.
Kaiser did it.
All the big hospital chains in California did it.
They let nurses, doctors, and administrators go because of vaccine status.
We'll now enter the Omicron variant, and everybody is sick.
Everybody around me, except for me, knock on wood.
So far, I hate to say that.
But everybody around me seems to be getting sick, everybody around me seems to be getting COVID, and they're using the hospital system to try to figure all of this out.
And the hospitals are being overrun, not because of the severity of COVID cases, but because everybody's sick and having to stay home, and they're having severe staffing shortages.
So what do they do?
Instead of admitting they were wrong and bringing back the healthy, unvaccinated workers to fill those positions, they're just cutting the quarantine time.
So nurses are now protesting.
There was a big protest in Los Angeles at City Hall on Tuesday.
A bunch of nurses are out there saying, why are you letting COVID positive people back into nursing homes, back into hospitals, without having a negative test?
Without having any quarantine period.
That led to the death of 15,000 people in New York.
I mean, how dumb are they?
This is so dumb.
So they're sending back vaccinated people with COVID, without a quarantine period, into the workplace if they're asymptomatic.
So if they're testing positive and asymptomatic, they can go back into the workplace with an N95.
Yet they're still leaving all of these people who are healthy but unvaxed at home.
Is it bizarre?
But isn't it a denial of science?
Yes!
Isn't it what they accuse conservatives of doing?
But you've heard the term gaslighting, right?
Women in an abusive relationship, a lot of times they'll have their abuser tries to give them an altered glimpse of reality.
This is what the CDC, this is what every health order, this is what the Biden administration is doing.
They're gaslighting the heck out of all of us.
Get the vaccine, you won't get sick.
Well, now you're vaccinated and you're getting sick, but you won't die.
Well, people that are un-vaxxed if they get COVID aren't dying by and large.
It is a mess.
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There, he's supposedly a finance guy.
That's a typical.
What's his title?
Something with finance.
Quick points.
First is the context on our economic recovery.
We've learned based on data that we've received over the last several days... He grew a beard.
He was the guy that was on... Oh!
She's phasing in and out.
It's like she's on the teleporter on Star Trek.
Phaser in!
Phaser in!
We're losing her!
What's her name?
I don't know.
I can't.
What?
I'm trying to decide.
I know.
I can't decide between Piper or Lexi.
Piper's good.
Isn't Piper cute?
That's kind of my intuition.
How about Hillary?
No way.
Nancy?
Kamala?
No.
Thank you.
Won't do it.
Piper's good.
I was thinking about Reagan though.
Isn't Reagan a cute name for a girl cat?
Reagan's good.
Reagan.
But I like Piper.
Guys, what do you think?
Piper?
Great name for a cat.
What?
Great name for a cat.
Reagan?
I think he's biased.
He should recuse himself.
What are you laughing at?
Oh, do you have a Piper, John?
His name is... His name is Piper.
Oh, his last name!
Oh my God.
You're my cat.
I'm making your after you, John.
Is it a good name or a bad name?
It is a good name.
Are you insulted if the cat is called Piper?
No, no, no.
My friend has a dog, and it's really funny because he'll call his dog, but that's how people at school used to refer to me.
Oh, how funny.
I forgot it was your last name.
Oh, you're talking to the dog.
Maybe I'll just name her John Junior.
You like that?
John Junior!
That would be really interesting if you named an animal Junior after something.
Junior's good.
How about just Junior?
Well, okay, so you're not the first person.
So my friend at work was telling me, he's like, you know, this cat is like the cat version of you.
Big eyes.
It's like, this is a cute little cat.
You should name it Jen Junior.
I'm like, I'm not naming a cat after me, but what if it was Jen Junior?
That's so funny.
JJ.
Our cat was called Frodo.
Oh, that's cute.
We miss Frodo.
He was hit by a car.
And he was so cool.
He was A, the cuddliest cat.
B, he thought he was a dog.
Oh, I love this cat.
I love that.
And when we walked our dog around the whole area, He would actually follow me walking the dog.
He was like a shepherd.
He'd either go behind or advance and he'd just walk with us like he was a dog.
It was the coolest thing.
That is so cute!
Yeah, yeah.
His mom was a really mean piece of work.
Some cats are mean, but this lady who weaned her because she was left behind by her mom, she gave her these three stuffed animals that are bigger than the cat, but she called them her litter mates.
And that cat said, we'll drag those animals everywhere.
She takes her litter mates with her wherever she goes, and they're gigantic.
Literally pulls them?
In her mouth, yeah.
She pulls these big stuffed animals.
They're like this long.
That's hilarious.
Because she thinks they're like her brothers and sisters.
Have we got it?
Can we come in with it?
Hang on, hang on.
We're doing Israel here, too.
That's cute.
Yeah, I'll do it after the rush hour.
I'll come in with it.
Yeah, please.
My cat's just 20 years old and wakes me up at 3 in the morning.
20 years old?
Whoa.
Crazy, crazy cat.
Crazy, crazy crazy cat.
Crazy, crazy crazy cat.
You told us we're going to be time to panic.
Well, is it time to panic?
Well, let me just tell you folks, it's never going to be time to panic.
Because we're never going to give up.
We're not going to give up on America.
I'm not.
I don't think most of you are either.
America's worth it.
America is worth fighting for.
America's worth not giving up.
Happy angel birthday Rush Limbaugh.
Yes, his birthday is today and for me that's one of my favorite, favorite audio actualities.
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Got to ask you about some news with regards to HRC.
But first, if I may, Jennifer, what for you is the lasting legacy or what touched you the most about Rush?
Oh gosh.
Rush, I think, was the, if you look up talk show host in the dictionary, he is exactly what we are all supposed to be.
And it's for a number of reasons.
Rush Limbaugh knew radio first.
And I know, Seb, we've talked about this before.
This is always what guides me in my job that I'm blessed to do every single day doing morning radio.
And that is you have to entertain first.
If you don't entertain and build a relationship with your audience first, they're not going to listen, care or trust what you have to say.
And so you always have to remember that we're lucky enough to be in this radio medium.
And so you have to be vulnerable and you have to learn how to tell a story and you have to gain the trust and the friendship of your audience.
That's what Rush did.
That's what I try to do.
I try to emulate him in that respect.
And then once you learn to do that, the rest follows.
The news is always going to be there.
It's how you present it to people that makes you unique and makes you stand out.
And Rush could make liberals listen to him because he was funny and he would drive them nuts.
And half of Rush's listening audience, I guarantee you, people that were not, that did not agree with him, but listen to him to listen to how he would tell the story and to just get infuriated And you could tell that by his callers.
He would always get these calls from people that were on opposite sides of the aisle, but that still were drawn in by Russia's talent.
For me, the other thing that's important to note when it comes to his legacy is, and I know it's been said a million times nobody can replace him, but there's a very good reason why nobody can replace him.
I swear to you, and I don't know what it was, genetics, his parents, I don't know what it was, his brain was wired differently.
He could take stories that everybody was talking about, Jennifer, and he would see things that nobody else was talking about, and often he'd see things That wouldn't be apparent for months or years later.
I don't know what it was, but he just saw things that others didn't.
And I think in that respect, he's a visionary, not just in the radio business, certainly, but just in the way he looked at the world and politics.
And that's why I think it's so comforting to listen to a show for conservatives, because he never did give up hope.
And you realize that Rush got this right many times.
And sometimes when it felt like the world, the headlines and news, they were all coming down on the future of our country, the future of conservatism.
It felt like we were losing everything.
But Rush always managed to find that ray of hope, basically, that he would pass on to all of us that the country was worth fighting for, that we had no choice but to fight.
And I appreciate that because a lot of times I think it's It's natural for talk radio hosts to go, ugh, it's over, this is it, it's the end.
But he was never like that.
He always left people, and I think especially conservatives, with that silver lining, that there is something more.
And his love for the country was so evident every single day.
Eric, do me a favor.
I know you're super busy.
You're running our cameras, getting the great bumpers up and everything else and the great buffers.
Let's find the video, just the short version of the video when he got the Medal of Freedom, because it's just so touching.
He's next to Melania, just the expression on his face.
I want our listeners just to be reminded of that.
So let's put that on Twitter.
Let's put that on Facebook.
Let's put that up on Instagram.
Let's remember Russia.
OK, back to the news.
I'm going to do a little quiz.
Are you ready?
I'm going to read a quote to you.
You have to guess who this person is talking about.
Okay.
X is already in an advantageous position to become the 2024 Democratic nominee.
X is an experienced national figure who is younger than Mr. Biden and can offer a different approach from the disorganized and unpopular one the party is currently taking.
The author wrote in the Wall Street Journal, who do you think Democrat strategist Douglas Dougie Shone was talking about, Jennifer.
Hold on.
I think I have a hairball.
I have a new kitten.
I think it's Hillary Rodham Clinton for $50, Seth.
Give that woman a cigar.
Give her a prize.
Give her a name for her kitten.
She has won the prize.
I'm not joking.
This is real.
This is actually real.
I know.
This is a real article I have in front of me.
This is Douglas Schoen, polling and consulting firm CEO, whose past clients included Bill Clinton and Michael Bloomberg, has written a piece saying, yeah, it's It's Hillary's time!
You forgot one thing.
What?
You forgot one thing.
She may be in an advantageous position and everything's lining up, but what you forgot, Dougie, is that nobody likes Hillary.
Not even Democrats!
This is what you're forgetting!
I've got to read that sentence again.
So she's experienced, I don't know, at what?
National figure.
Okay.
Okay, like what, Daffy Duck.
And younger, these are the qualifications, younger than the man from the crypt, the cryptkeeper, Mr. Biden, and can offer, I love this line, it's so in Washington, a different approach.
Not better, just different.
But nowhere does it say, people like her.
Nowhere.
Nowhere.
Yeah.
But wouldn't it be great?
Wouldn't it be great?
I'd love to see the rematch.
But I'd also really love to see President Trump run against President Biden again because now armed with the ammunition.
Because guess what?
Before there was a lot of, well, I'm the adult in the room and you're a guy who goes on Twitter and says mean things about people.
And now they can just match records.
If anybody has like... But hang on, hang on, hang on.
Biden said, you know, if I'd had an opportunity, I would have taken him behind the bike sheds and, you know, punched him and had a... Well, maybe this is the opportunity.
I think maybe a cage match.
What do you think?
Crush the old Biden and my old boss?
I'd pay for that.
I love wrestling, and Vince McMahon is a friend of President Trump.
Let's do it.
Let's do it on SmackDown.
No, Dana, why?
Dana, why?
Or UFC.
Well, that's even... I mean, at least in wrestling.
That's it.
Sorted.
Done.
Settled.
You and I, we will be the compares.
Let's rumble.
Okay, follow her at Jennifer Horne, host of The Morning Answer.
We don't take all the applesauce.
Yes, let's not go there.
What else he's taking?
Whatever they're injecting him with.
AM 590, AM 870, The Answer and also CRN Talk.
That went far too quickly.
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Okay, good.
Have you actually taken possession?
Oh, yeah.
I got her on Friday.
I have to scratch marks to prove it.
How can you have a cat at home and not have a name for it?
What do you say?
Boy, you.
Well, to be honest, Saturday was a rough day and I've been calling her Cujo.
Okay, what did she do?
What did she do?
Can you see the scratches?
No, no, show me.
I'm showing you here, let's see.
Oh my gosh, what on earth?
Yeah, it's rough.
Was she playing or was she aggressive?
Saturday she was just, she was not used to her surroundings, so she was just, the poor, I mean it wasn't her fault, but yeah, I was ripped apart.
Are you going to get chain mail?
Yes.
That is serious, my gosh.
It was pretty serious, but now, like ever since then, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, she's been so loving ever since, so I think it was just, I'm hoping it was just a bad day and that she's not plotting my demise.
Do you remember Kate Bush, the singer?
No.
British singer?
She sang her song, her most famous one was Babushka and she sang it in a chainmail outfit.
That's what you need.
That's what I need.
I'll send you the music video.
I'm gonna send you a kitty picture but I have to tell you so I sit down on Monday and I said oh I got my kitten this weekend and Grant's like how many cats do you have now?
And I was like, I have one.
And he goes, I thought you had a bunch of cats.
I'm like, Grant, this is a joke that I make with Katie all the time that I'm going to get 18 cats and drink Chardonnay and learn to crochet when I get old.
And I said, it's a joke.
And he's like, you don't have a bunch of cats.
I was like, no.
It's like, what do you think over there?
Can you just sort that guy out, please?
Just, just please.
Sort him out.
It's like, you've got to be kidding me here.
I mean, you know me.
Anyway.
All right.
You guys have a fun rest of the week.
I will send you Kitty Picture and talk to you on, well, next week.
Thanks, buddy.
All right.
Appreciate it.
Bye.
All right.
For Trish's, it's how bad can Biden's economy get?
Uh-huh.
And Gilliam and Horne.
Gilliam.
70 seconds.
Did the FBI have plants on January 6th?
And Horne.
What should we call Horne?
Something about Hillary Clinton.
Oh!
Um... A Hillary vs. Trump rematch or something like that.
Oh.
Are you ready for the Hillary V. Trump rematch?
Oh, man.
That should get some eyeballs.
Should be fun.
America first, whatcha doing?
Okay.
Listen to how cheerful he is.
America first!
Whatcha doing?
It must be because nobody's hugged him lately.
I'm not a big hugger though.
I never understood hugging.
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They're at it again.
Senator Paul and Fauci.
Fauci got a little annoyed on a hot mic, but perhaps the most amusing... I think we've used this person before.
Allegedly he's a doctor.
He always has to turn up in his lab coat when he's on MSNBC because otherwise you don't believe I'm a doctor.
His name is Peter Hotez?
And he's a weird-looking guy.
But at least now we know thanks to Dr. Hotez.
CPAC!
Yes!
CPAC killed 200,000 people.
Play cup.
Component one is the fact that the far-right anti-vaccine aggression Has caused 200,000 Americans since June to last June to lose their lives because they were defiant of vaccines.
So there is and this is coming right out of the CPAC conference.
Vaccines are political instruments of control or first they'll vaccinate you then they'll take your guns and Bibles away.
This phrase, Jeff, what do you think of this phrase?
I wrote this down.
The far-right anti-vax aggression.
And this is what you do when people can't defend the CDC anymore.
Right, right.
Now it's CPAC.
I love that clip.
When I watched that, I thought that was the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
Can you get John to post that?
Because you're right.
You're absolutely right.
I'm going to CPAC.
I just decided today.
I'm going to be at CPAC.
I think it's in February.
We're going to broadcast from there.
But we're going to make sure that... Let's just... Let's do a survey.
Is it 200,000 or was it... Is it all 800,000 Americans that were killed by the far-right anti-vax aggression?
Oh, by the way, does that doctor even know what Walensky said two days ago?
That so many people, 40%, aren't even suffering or dying from COVID, but with COVID?
Is that a conspiracy as well?
Is that more far-right anti-vax aggression?
Let's post that video.
But it is true, Greg's right, Jeff is right, when they have their narrative collapse from the masters, from Walensky, from Fauci, all they have left is extremism.
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Let's go to your calls staying on the issue of Covid.
Kathy California welcome aboard.
Thank you very much for taking my call.
Before I get to my subject, Rush Limbaugh.
Yes.
He was successful because he absolutely loved what he did.
Yes!
And his catchphrase, having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have, kind of sums up, I mean, he loved being, he wanted to be a radio talk show host since he was a kid.
Right.
And I was listening to him since he was in Sacramento.
And if you talk to people, you know, who worked with him or worked for him, like Snerdly, who was on the show was a week ago, two weeks ago, the guy was never not working.
He, you know, we have this thing called show prep.
When you go through the stories of the day, your team preps the cuts, the audio actualities, and you organize the guests.
If you talk to his team, the whole day he was prepping, and then he wouldn't go home and have a cigar and then just kick back.
He would be prepping for the next day, and it showed in everything he did, didn't it?
Yes, it did.
And that's because he had talent on loan from God.
I was going to say that, but you stole my thunder.
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I play this game with my friends where I'd go on The Onion and Not The Onion.
And Not The Onion's basically a form where it's like all the craziest headlines that were real that sound like onion headlines.
We could do something like Breitbart or The Bee and you'd have to figure out which one of them is... Oh, uh-huh.
Yeah, whether it's a fake headline for laughs or it's a real headline that actually exists.
Yeah.
Something along those lines.
And then we'd have a liner for that.
Yeah, I think that could be something interesting.
Real?
Yeah.
Real?
Crazy real?
Or fake news?
Real fake news.
Yeah, I like that.
I like that.
Write a couple of liners.
Okay.
Let's do it.
That could be fun if we ever, you know, situationally want to change the pace or something.
Can you play me Cut 5?
Cut 5.
Oh yeah.
And now, Republican legislators in several states have already announced plans to escalate the onslaught this year.
Their endgame?
To turn the will of the voters into a mere suggestion.
Something states can respect or ignore.
Jim Crow 2.0 is about two insidious things.
Voter suppression and election subversion.
It's like Jeff said, he really is pandering to the base.
Four.
Got four.
Four.
Last week, President Harris and I stood in the United States Capitol.
Wow.
Uh, seven.
There is nothing normal about a law that makes it illegal to pass out water or food to people standing in long voting lines.
Across our nation, anti-voter laws could make it more difficult for as many as 55 million Americans to vote.
Wow.
They just make stuff up.
They're going for the messaging, though, and that's what they're doing.
They're speaking to their base.
Yeah, that's wild.
14 is what?
Is that new?
America first.
Hold, please.
I don't know my country.
Rand Paul.
Rand Paul, Mike Rand Paul.
Thank you.
America first.
Can you believe it?
They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
How do you say that?
Magnificent.
That's actually the 45th president of the United States.
Sleepy Creepy Joe thinks Kamala is the president.
Yet again, gotta share this with you.
Cut 4.
Last week, President Harris and I stood in the United States Capitol.
He doesn't even correct himself.
How does he not?
He says, President Harris and I. And then he doesn't say, oh whoops.
That's how senile he is.
Let's go to, of course, Cliff in Atlanta, line two.
Welcome, Cliff.
How you doing, Dr. Gorka?
Good.
Great.
I just wondered if you could help me out on this, if you know any, I'm sure you know more than I do.
I heard it on one of your, pretty much a friend of yours' show, I believe.
And it was a virologist, I believe.
Pretty much a friend of yours show.
What does that mean, Cliff?
I'm not sure I know what that means.
I think you and Dan Bongino get along pretty well.
We do, we're buddies.
Alright, well then I'm 90% sure I heard it on his show, but I watch so many it's hard to tell sometimes.
And he had a virologist, I believe it was on, that said that the Omicron was made in a lab.
Yeah, I doubt Dan had a guest who said it like that.
If they did, I'm sure Dan challenged them, because Dan is a facts guy, former Secret Service agent.
So yeah, there's no... if there were definitive proof to that effect, then it would be all over.
It would be plastered all over.
Here's what I know, Cliff, and your question's really interesting, because at that event I mentioned I went to last night, there was a journalist there I didn't know this about him.
There's a guy who's interviewed me in the past.
I won't use his name because he hasn't authorized me to tell what he told me yesterday.
He said, oh, he just kind of threw it in as we were talking.
He said, by the way, in my past life, I was a geneticist.
Okay, and he said, what's really interesting about the Omicron virus, if you look at it genetically, he said, and if he wants to talk about it, we'll get him on the show, and he said, if you look at the genetic makeup of the latest variant, and these are his exact words, it looks like it was separated from the coronavirus for a year in another room and developed completely differently.
It just doesn't look like the next progression, which he said is not out of the question.
You see odd kind of skips and jumps in nature, but as a rule, the divergence between the Delta And the Omicron is too large a divergence.
Doesn't mean it's necessarily proven to be manufactured, but Cliff, great question.
It just raises the question.
Great call.
And of course, Dan's a great guy.
Let's go to Ed, Pennsylvania.
Ed, welcome to America First.
Hey, Dr. Gorka.
I love your show.
Thank you, Ed.
Hey, just a quick comment on Dr. Fauci's response yesterday when they asked about the deaths after the vaccine and how nobody had a number on it and he made a point to say about how, but people who might have been killed in a car accident are added into that, but they won't use those numbers or that same logic when they're talking about the deaths by COVID.
Right.
Let's let's let everybody who had it is added into the list.
Well, let's get admitted.
Let's get admitted on the record.
I'm not sure she wanted to, but to exactly this point, Ed, and thank you for your kind comments.
We've got, look, you know what Fauci just said?
He just said this.
He said, and everybody knows it's a lie.
He said, I'm not political.
Listen to his words.
Cut eight.
I wish we could reset this and say, You have your political differences.
I'm not a political person.
You know that.
You know me for decades.
Zero political interest.
But maybe we could put the political stuff aside and say, well, if we want to fight politically, let's end this outbreak first.
Get back to normal life and then go back to our political ideologies.
Never had political interest ever in his life.
Really?
I think this was two weeks ago?
Maybe three weeks ago?
Just listen to what Fauci has to say with regards to Ted Cruz, who is, I would guess, of a different political party to Dr. Fauci.
Cut nine.
Senator Cruz told the Attorney General you should be prosecuted.
Yeah.
I'd have to laugh at that.
I should be prosecuted.
What happened on January 6th, Senator?
I want to play that again for those watching on Rumble.
Look, you need to see this because his facial expression and the really Creepy.
What do you even call that, Jeff?
What is it he does with his mouth at the end there?
What is that kind of... It's just weird reflex, right?
Yes.
He does it every now and then, too.
It's really creepy, isn't it?
It's very strange.
Okay, let's just play.
Guys, so...
Go to Rumble.
Make sure you're subscribed there as well.
It's Rumble.com slash Gawker.
That's Rumble.com slash Seb Gawker.
Sorry.
Rumble.com slash S-E-B-G-O-R-K-A.
But let's play this again because he's commenting on Senator Cruz and then he has to throw it.
Oh, you should be more worried about the January 6th investigation.
And he does this weird, weird lip tremble.
It's very strange.
Play that again, Eric.
Senator Cruz told the Attorney General you should be prosecuted.
Yeah.
I'd have to laugh at that.
I should be prosecuted.
What happened on January 6th, Senator?
Wow.
Not political!
Never, ever been political ever in my life.
No, no, no, not me, but January 6th.
They're coming for you, Senator Cruz.
I was told a very interesting story about Senator Cruz on January the 6th, which is in fact, I was told last night, last night by a member of Congress, which is actually the opposite, 180 degrees of what Fauci just imputed.
It's very disappointing because there were certain hopes people had With regards to Senator Cruz, on the 6th, if you know about the fact that you can question the results of an electoral college, send them back to be recertified, if you have what?
Do you know what it is?
One member of Congress and one senator.
It's all you need.
But you've got to have one from each house.
And there were high hopes from Senator Cruz.
And an individual who is sitting behind him asked him a question at a certain point, a culminating point.
I'm going to ask that congressman if he wants to share it live on air in front of millions of you because it'll explain a lot about Senator Cruz.
But when it comes to Fauci, oh yeah, you don't get to be the director.
Of your organization, federal government, for 37 years without being political.
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If the president's poll numbers are where they at, et cetera, that will not want to be seen on the campaign trail with them.
What is the president's feeling about that, and how would he approach that situation?
I think we're talking about a hypothetical that doesn't yet exist.
I mean, I would say that the vast majority of members who may face face challenging races are people who have advocated for the president's agenda whether it's the bipartisan infrastructure bill okay or his commitment to our kings and get cut 10 those are john jr's boys does that mean the next people you're going to be looking to subpoena are don jr and kim guilfoyle well obviously i don't want to you know reveal the next step so it's it's
It fluxes every day in terms of if we learn new information, where does our focus go?
How do we build that case?
But I mean, certainly, I think there's no doubt looking at the role that Kimberly Guilfoyle played, that Don Jr.
played, it would be obvious we would need some information from them.
Who's that host who's grinning like a Cheshire cat?
Stephanie Rule.
That's Rule?
The End
Constitution, America first.
Gotta play you something now.
Adam Kinzinger.
God, what a... Just filth.
Being interviewed by Stephanie Ruhle.
Again, if you're watching, apologies on radio.
Go to Rumble and subscribe and watch this clip.
A good buddy of mine who works with Don Jr.
has been subpoenaed, not just his phone records, he personally, and also Arthur Schwartz, who helps Don with communications.
They've been subpoenaed.
And Stephanie Ruhle at MSNBC is so excited!
She's so excited that Don Jr.
might be in trouble!
And Kinzinger's going, yes, I can't reveal, but maybe, who knows?
Watch this.
This is why.
The legacy media is perhaps the most corrupt institution in America.
Those are Don Jr.' 's boys.
Does that mean the next people you're going to be looking to subpoena are Don Jr.
and Kim Guilfoyle?
Well, obviously I don't want to, you know, reveal the next steps.
It fluxes every day in terms of if we learn new information, where does our focus go?
How do we build that case?
But I mean, certainly, I think there's no doubt looking at the role that Kimberly Guilfoyle played, that Don Jr.
played, it would be obvious we would need some information from them.
It fluxes every day.
Yes, it fluxes.
You know what's amazing?
First, Stephanie Ruhle grins like the Joker.
Ha ha ha!
Don Junior's boys!
I mean, she's just so excited.
Because she's a journalist.
She's impartial.
You know, she's just a professional.
And then, the richest thing of all, They don't even have the right photograph of Arthur Schwartz.
I mean, I don't know who that Arthur Schwartz is, who's on that clip, but it's not the Arthur Schwartz who was subpoenaed.
By the way, guys, Arthur Schwartz, as far as I still know, has a Twitter account with his photograph on the top of the Twitter account, and that's not the guy you have on your TV screen.
So that's how utterly bankrupt you are.
But that's why we are here.
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Welcome back to America First one-on-one.
You know me, guys.
I've been listening to radio since I was a little kid in West London with a little transistor radio in the wee hours of the night under my pillow listening to talk radio.
Back then it was LBC, the London Broadcasting Company.
Today I'm on the other side of the mic, but I still, still love the long form.
You know, yes, we have to do the breaking news.
Yes, we have to comment on what's going on in the swamp.
But at the end of the day, it's going beyond the soundbites, beyond the talking points, with real, real experts.
And it's a special pleasure when somebody who's a regular, who's been on the show many times for just a couple of segments, agrees to sit down with us for a proper chat so we can get to know him and really do a deep dive on the issues that matter.
And today, it's none other Hi Sebastian, so great to be with you.
I can't wait to talk about, there's so much to talk about with what's going on with this economy.
He's got a brand new book that's out.
We'll mention it momentarily.
But first things first, Stephen Moore.
Welcome to America First One on One.
Hi, Sebastian.
So great to be with you.
I can't wait to talk about...
There's so much to talk about with what's going on with this economy.
The wheels are coming off.
And every day that goes by, we miss Trump more.
Isn't that the truth?
It's not just we miss the president.
We miss the economy that he Not that he created, let's be clear, he just got out of the way and he got government out of the way.
And that is the argument of your new book.
We'll talk about it in a second.
But for those who may have heard you regularly on my show or when they tune in to Newsmax or Fox, but they don't know the Stephen Moore story, will you tell us How you got to be advising presidential candidates and then presidents.
So give us the potted story of the Moore journey.
Well, I can tell you about meeting Trump for the first time, if I may, Sebastian, because I've got a confession to make.
Before I met Trump, I didn't like him very much.
Were you a Cruise guy way back when?
Sorry?
Were you a Cruise guy originally?
No, no, I was actually a Rand Paul guy.
I'm pretty libertarian, and I was helping Rand, and I still love Rand Paul, he's one of my favorite senators, and I remember Larry Kudlow and I got a call from Donald Trump's office saying the then-candidate Trump, this was in late 2015, would like to meet with Larry Kudlow and myself and go to Trump Tower up on Fifth Avenue, and I know you've been there many, many, many times, and so I thought, I was curious about Trump, I was curious about
How he had so many followers in such a short time.
And, you know, there was something going on with Trumpism.
So I did want to meet him, but I didn't have a positive opinion of him until I went to his office.
And the first thing I noticed about Trump was that the people who worked for him, the people around him, loved him.
And that tells you a lot about somebody.
How they treat the people that are around them.
And they just thought he was the greatest thing on earth.
And then I'll never forget, Larry Kudlow and I went into his office.
You were in that office many times, I know, Sebastian.
And we spent, oh God, I mean, well over an hour talking to Donald Trump about everything.
And he loves to argue.
And he's so curious.
I mean, I've told this story several times in my first meeting.
This was June of the same year, 2015, in his office in Trump Tower.
And it was not what I expected.
I wasn't a Trump supporter then, but the thing is, he wanted advice on national security and I sat down and I thought, this is going to be perfunctory, he's a busy man, you know, it's a little bit of, you know, five minutes of chat.
We sat down for about 40 minutes and we discussed, we went from the Civil War to, you know, the Middle East and Al-Qaeda and it just, he was so interested in all of these issues.
It sounds like you had the same experience when it came to economics.
Very similar.
You know, the other thing I thought was really interesting is I've met with a lot of candidates over time.
Senate candidates, House candidates, governor candidates, presidential candidates.
Usually you're just surrounded by all these government, these, you know, aides.
The flunkies!
There was nobody else in the room.
I thought it was actually kind of amazing, actually.
It was just me, Larry Kudlow and Donald Trump.
And he showed us all, it could have been nicer, he showed us all his footballs, you know, all that paraphernalia he has in there.
We had a great discussion.
And I remember, Sebastian, and this is all covered in my book, Trumponomics.
I remember walking out of that room, and Larry and I just looked at each other like, he's the one.
He's the one.
Really?
You knew right then?
We were blown away by it.
And then one other quick story that I think tells you a lot about Trump.
So then he said, we were in, they put us in a little conference room while we were waiting for someone else to meet with.
And Trump himself came in and said, Hey, do you guys need anything?
You need some coffee or coke?
I mean, it was very sweet of him to do that.
And then he said, I want you to go down and meet Corey Lewandowski.
You know, Corey, he's running the campaign and the campaign headquarters is down on the 52nd floor.
And so we went down there and it was so amazing.
I mean, there were only about 14 people working there, you know, and I thought, Oh my God, this is smaller than a city council campaign office, you know?
It's amazing.
He didn't spend that much money.
I mean, he didn't surround himself with, and this is, by the way, this is my theory.
Why did the political class in the Republican party hate Trump?
And the answer is because he didn't hire him!
He didn't give him money!
It's very hard to explain the level of hatred and vituperation, not from the left, but from the establishment, you know, the Bill Crystals of the world, the NROs.
He didn't kiss the ring.
He wasn't interested.
He didn't, right.
And you know, as well as anybody else, if you're inside the administration, the quickest way, I mean, apart from betraying him, but the quickest way to get in trouble was as an advisor or even a general.
If he asked you, OK, so why are we doing it like this?
If you said, well, Mr. President, because we've been doing it like that for 20 years, then he said, what?
That's not a bloody reason.
So I think that's the establishment expected.
Well, every candidate has to go to the National Review offices and has to, you know, genuflect in front of the establishment.
And he didn't care for them.
Why?
Because he'd had 50 years of being a success.
So I think that's why both sides of the aisle had such an issue with him.
Do you agree, Stephen?
Yeah, let me add one other thing.
So those political consultants They're all now on CNN trashing Trump every time they get a chance, you know, because they were left behind.
There's nothing worse in Washington than being rendered irrelevant.
That's what he did, those folks.
But, you know, I love the fact that he was so, you know, Larry and I would say, for example, you know, Donald, we think you, we called him Donald back then he wasn't president, we said, you know, we think we should cut this tax rate to 20%.
And he'd say, well, wait a minute.
Why don't we cut it to 15 percent?
OK, sure.
But that's fine.
It's gutsy.
And he went with his instincts.
And I love the fact that he was a businessman.
He didn't talk the political gobbledygook.
And I think that's what the American voters loved about him.
Yeah.
Common sense can't through it all.
We're talking to Stephen Moore.
He's the author of Trumponomics.
He's got a new book out this week.
You can follow him at Stephen Moore.
He is a senior economic contributor at Freedom Works, also writing for the Wall Street Journal and the Club for Growth.
Stephen, before we move on to the policies... Let me just make one other point.
Yeah.
Because I think it's important.
Yeah.
You know, you look back at what Trump did and, you know, Washington is a big octopus.
And you know this, what really annoyed me was how many never Trumpers got into the Trump White House.
And I think that was his mistake.
And it wasn't him.
I mean, he can't, he can't be in charge of hiring, you know, all, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.
But you did you experience that?
Because I did.
Oh, I look when I so I came in.
So there's you know, you know, the various ranks.
I didn't know anything about it until I came in.
But there's assistant to the president.
That's like you're a Mike Flynn level at HR McMaster.
That's a, you know, a national security advisor is an AP.
Right beneath that are the DAPs, the deputy assistants to the president, and they outrank three star generals.
I was a DAP.
I had no idea what how significant that was.
But then when you find out, Stephen, that there are people who are political appointees, because nobody was press gang.
We weren't, you know, knocked over the head and then made deputy assistants to the president against our will.
And you find people at the same rank as yourself.
Who detest the president and you go, hang on a second.
I mean, just how putrid is the swamp that you are so cynical.
You just want that tick on the resume to say, I served a president, but you hate the man elected by 64 million Americans.
I mean, that's how, how stinking the swamp is Steven.
Totally agree.
And the other thing I would add to that is, you know, when I look back at what Trump did in four years, um, It is amazing that he was able to accomplish what he did, given that almost everyone in the government was against what he was trying to do.
The deep state, Sebastian, is real.
It's not a figment of our imagination.
The government bureaucracy, the hundreds of thousands of people who work for government, None of them were in favor of what Trump wanted to do.
He wanted to downsize government.
He wanted to make it efficient.
Remember, he wanted to fix the civil service system so people would be rewarded based on what they produce, like in the private sector, not how long they've been on the job.
And could be fired if they failed.
What a concept!
What a concept!
And so I can't tell you how many times I was working on issues for him, and I would discover that everyone in the bureaucracy was totally against it.
And they undermined him.
And yet he was still able to turn around the economy.
He was still able to get his tax cut done.
The people he put in place in the regulatory agencies were fantastic.
The vast majority of them were on board of the agenda of getting rid of regulation.
Remember when he said, I'm going to get rid of two regulations for every new agency?
He actually got rid of 10 regulations for every new regulation.
By the end of the first year, the 2 to 1 ratio was 21 to 1.
By the end of the first year, the two to one ratio was 21 to one.
It was stunning.
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You know what's so fun about these long interviews?
You get to really demonstrate who your guests are.
And I have to say it is Plug your ears right now, Stephen Moore.
You know, I asked him to talk about himself when we opened this show, and he refused to.
Instead, he talked about his experience meeting President Trump.
Because one of the great failures of this man is he doesn't have an ego.
He's one of the few people in D.C.
who doesn't run around burnishing his ego and telling people how important he is.
So God bless you, Stephen Moore.
But I need to share with our millions of listeners and viewers How you got to Trump Tower, how you got to advising everybody and, you know, tell us a little bit about your activities because I remember this dinner you invited me to a couple of months ago, which is fabulous, with key individuals who were there, the masterminds of the great Reagan tax cut and it was the anniversary and you very graciously invited me to that dinner downtown.
So talk to us about your journey In the swamp and how you got to where you are today.
Well, I was, you know, it's funny how, you know, the fickle finger of fate.
And I was at the University of Illinois studying economics.
And I met an economist by the name of Julian Simon.
I don't know if you remember Julian Simon, Sebastian, but he was a genius.
He was a giant.
And he was the one who took on all of the Malthusians, the people who said we're running out of oil and gas and coal and food and And Julian really changed my whole life.
You know, he was so brilliant.
And, you know, the brilliant academics are the ones who actually take on the conventional wisdom and prove it to be wrong.
And so I got to know Julian.
And they're not disowned by the people who didn't have the stones to do it.
I mean, the establishment hates those people who say, no, there might be a better way.
Sorry, Stephen.
And by the way, Julian Simon was proven to be completely right.
He was the one that said, we're not running out of oil.
Does anybody today, I mean, back 30 years ago, everybody thought we were running out of oil.
Everybody thought we were running out of farmland and food and all these things.
And Julian's famous book, and I recommend it to people, it's the book that changed my life.
It's called The Ultimate Resource.
And the ultimate resource, as you know, is the human mind.
That's how we create.
It's ingenuity, human ingenuity.
And so I met Julian.
He came out to Washington.
I came with him.
And then, you know, I had a second great.
I've been really lucky with my mentors.
And then I met two other economists who had a huge impact on my life.
One was Arthur Laffer, who kind of took me under his wing.
And and, you know, most of what I was learning in the economics courses was Was wrong.
And, you know, Laffer was another guy, by the way, who took on the conventional way.
So remember, people laughed at Laffer and the Laffer curve.
And, oh, this doesn't make any sense.
But the one guy who got it was Ronald Reagan, and he adopted that and changed the world.
And then I was also fortunate enough.
I'm not trying to be a name dropper here, but I'm just so lucky.
The people I've really got gotten to know was Milton Friedman, who was one of the three greatest economists in the history of the world.
behind maybe Adam Smith and John Amater Keynes.
And, you know, Milton used to tell me, you know, the most important thing we can do to grow the economy is cut government.
And we're not we're doing it.
Now we have a bunch of economists who think the opposite.
They think you grow the economy by growing government.
And you know, that's just an absurdity.
So that's kind of how I got, you know, I always say I'm not famous, but I knew a lot of famous people.
Well, you know, that is quite the storied list of some of the biggest names ever.
By the way, I'll also recommend, I recommended Julian Simon's, you know, Ultimate Resource, which is as relevant today as it was, you know, 40 years ago.
And another book that I want to recommend to your readers is Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman, which was written in the 1950s, and it is so relevant to all the issues that we deal with today.
I don't think that's up in school anymore.
I don't know.
No, this is my question.
Then my next question to you.
And we love guests to give our our listeners and viewers homework.
So I've already got it written down here right now.
The ultimate resource by Julian Lincoln, Simon, Stephen, why?
Why are we fighting this fight again?
Because you mentioned the big names.
Not only was big government Keynesianism demonstrably ineffective and in fact injurious to the welfare of the populations that suffered under it,
Thanks to Reagan, thanks to the Milton Friedman, the Hayek's, the Reagan's of this world, the Thatcher's under whom I grew up, we ostensibly vanquished this argument, well at least the socialist argument on November the 9th 1989 when the Berlin Wall was felled by those that it kept prisoners.
Do you have any argument as to why, you know, 30, 40 years later, we're back to square one and we're arguing about principles that should have had a stake driven through the heart when the communist systems collapsed?
It's so demoralizing.
I think that's one of the most demoralizing things that I've seen is that, you know, we've won the arguments.
We saw the collapse of the Soviet Union.
We had And, you know, Milton Friedman used to say this all the time towards the end of his life, because he saw the collapse of the Berlin Wall.
But then he said, you know, and he used to say this to me, he'd say, this is so weird that the most enduring lesson of the 20th century was very simple lesson.
Free enterprise and free markets work.
Socialism, communism, Maoism, Stalinism, whatever you want to call it, is a failure.
And then he'd say, so if that was the lesson of the 20th century, why do we have so many politicians who say we need more socialism?
And that was before Joe Biden.
So yeah, I mean, another example.
Joe Biden's talking about reintroducing price controls.
Price controls?
I mean, almost everybody should have learned the economy from the 1970s that price controls were a total catastrophe.
We deregulated the industries.
We got rid of price controls.
In every industry, we got rid of the price controls.
Guess what happened to prices?
They fell because competition is what cuts prices and costs.
It is.
I don't even know what to say.
I am so frustrated that these bad ideas come back like a bad penny and we got to keep biting bites that I thought we won 30 years ago.
All right.
Well, let's let's talk about the good ideas.
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Um, so...
So, you have a new book out.
I have to tell you, you need to talk to somebody on your team, Stephen Moore, because you don't have the image on your Twitter feed yet.
It should be on the header.
You've got the old book, but I have made a note of it.
It is Govzilla.
He's holding it up right now.
It has just been launched.
Govzilla, how the relentless growth of government is devouring America.
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So look, I'm not going to teach my grandmother to suck eggs, so I'm not going to talk, I'm not going to tell one of the best economists in America how economics works.
But as a layman, as a taxpayer, as an American citizen, as a legal immigrant to the United States, Is it an oversimplification to say that Adam Smith was right, there is a thing called the invisible hand, and economics and economies, the environment of an economy, function the best when it is the participants of the economy who actually drive it and government gets out of the way?
Is that too much of an oversimplification, Stephen?
No, it's a pretty good one.
That's actually what the book is about.
I went back to the founding of our country and the whole idea behind America was freedom and free enterprise and a very limited government.
The Constitution, we talk a lot about the Constitution, you do too.
What it is is a rule book on what government can do and what it can't do.
There's something that a lot of people have Forgotten about I call them the forgotten 9th and 10th amendments a lot of people don't even know what the 9th and 10th amendments are I bet most Congress doesn't know the time at the 10th amendments, but that was basically those amendments basically say this that all rights that are not specifically Enumerated get assigned to the federal government reside with the states and the people
The fancy word from that, especially from Catholic theology, is subsidiarity.
Solve the problem closest to those it affects the most.
Don't take it to a city, you know, 3,000 miles away called D.C.
Sorry, carry on.
No, that's a good point.
And the weather is very relevant to what's happening right now as we speak, where the Supreme Court is debating this federal mandate, the vaccine mandate.
It's clearly unconstitutional.
Sebastian, it's clearly unconstitutional.
And I listened to the liberal judges, and they were saying, well, this is a good policy.
And it's like, it doesn't even matter if it's a good policy.
It's not whether they should do it.
It's whether they have the right to do it.
Yeah.
Can I just stop here for a second?
Because somebody mentioned this on another radio show.
It was actually a caller to The Chris Plant Show.
And she was a genius.
And Chris, full credit to him, just stopped and said, no, no, was it Chris?
No, it was Dan Bongino said that that is the most important call we've had since we started the show.
And this lady said, Why is Sotomayor arguing with regards to it being a good policy or not?
Your job is as to whether it's legal!
Exactly!
Plus, she doesn't know anything about COVID.
I mean, she's not a health expert.
She thought she was.
Half of the things that she said about COVID were wrong.
But this gets to the broader point, which is that the idea of the courts is to is to make sure that the government is following the Constitution and they've deviated away from that.
And that's why, you know, if you look at the early years, even, you know, the first hundred years of our country, we had a very lean and efficient government that provided, you know, for the national defense and it provided roads and bridges and, you know, it provided the court system.
But, you know, for example, the word of education, you can read the entire Constitution and you're not going to see education in there.
Because the founders never even envisioned, why would the federal government be involved in education?
So, you know, with a little bit of oversimplification, the core of what you advise President Trump or future presidents is, if you get out of the way, if government gets out of the way, then the economy can flourish, correct?
Yeah, I mean, look, obviously, you do need rule book, you need rules, you need, you know, regulations that make sense.
You don't need thousands and thousands of regulations.
Um, but that's, that's right.
I mean, the free enterprise system is the goose that lays the golden eggs.
And it's the reason the United States has become the richest country in the world.
It's the reason I would say, you know, freedom is what is, is the least racist policy.
You know, I, I, this is one of my pet peeves in the book.
United States is not the most racist country in the world.
It's the least racist country in the world.
No country in the world has allowed minorities to advance.
As much as they do in the United States.
And, you know, did you see what happened in New York where they're now introducing discriminatory health policies against people with light skins?
So I think, you know, you have a little darker skin than I do.
So you're going to get in line for the for the treatments before I do, because you have a little darker.
I mean, is that absurd?
Is that the stupidest thing you've ever heard?
Not just absurd.
It's bigoted.
And also, I would say it's unconstitutional.
Of course it is.
Of course it's a constant.
It's only totally contrary to the, you know, Martin Luther King's, you know, we're going to be soon, you know, celebrating his birthday.
It was, you judge a man by the content of their character, not the character, you know, the color of their skin.
And now we have all these discriminatory policies of white, red, brown, you know, whatever your skin, I mean, why do we have to have all that stuff?
The basic, the bottom line though, is if we stay on this course right now and we allow Biden to win, which I don't think we're going to, we're fighting like hell against it.
We're going to have a government that is going to be larger than our entire private sector.
It'll be over 50% of our GDP.
That will make America a socialist country, and we will pay a very heavy price for that.
So we cannot allow it to happen.
We have to stop this massive spending binge.
Now, just before I came on your show, I saw Nancy Pelosi saying, we need another trillion dollars for COVID.
They've already spent five trillion!
Where did that money go?
And they haven't really spent it.
You know, that's the issue.
They want more and they haven't really spent the first trillions and trillions of dollars.
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Our guest is Stephen Moore.
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So we don't clear our questions with our guests.
We don't have talking points.
We just have a conversation.
So here I'm going to ask a question that might get my guest in trouble, but I doubt it.
I think you're right, Stephen.
I think Look, we're a year in, barely a year in, and the economy is a disaster.
In DC, this is the second week in a row we can't get milk in the studio because I tell Eric, would you bring some milk in so we can have coffee for our guests?
No, because I go to the local CVS and there's no milk.
I mean...
This is the capital of the most powerful nation in the world.
It took Carter at least three years to do this.
Biden did it in ten months.
So we're going to win.
If there is a capacity to stop election fraud, the Democrats will be utterly shellacked in the midterms.
If we have the House and the Senate, then President Trump will run.
That is absolutely guaranteed.
And he will win if we can prevent election fraud.
But here's my challenge to you.
You know better than anyone.
The establishment GOP is not representative of the American people.
It is a hodgepodge, heterogeneous collection of interests, many of them being dominated by, of course, the Chamber of Commerce.
And the Chamber of Commerce doesn't want want to have immigration reform.
The Chamber of Commerce doesn't want to have e-verify.
The Chamber of Commerce is very happy to have big businesses be able to lobby so that they get preferential treatment in this stinking city like Amazon did, as opposed to all the small businesses that had to shut down.
So here's my question to you.
You've written the books.
You've written Trumponomics.
You've advised President Trump.
You'll be advising him if, God willing, he comes back.
But is it all for naught if we don't have a Republican Party that is truly conservative and believes in Hayek, believes in von Mises, believes in Laffer, says, Stephen, can we do it?
You know, it's funny, you know, I don't think that Donald Trump even knew who who Hayek was.
But, you know, he instinctively, of course, you know, he did.
And and so, you know, and Trump accomplished so much.
Even with the bureaucracy and the Republican Party kicking and screaming the whole way.
I'll give you an example of something I didn't even agree with him on was China.
I said, boy, you're going to be you're being really rough with China.
You know, why are you why are you picking a fight with China?
Well, he was right and I was wrong.
He was the first president in modern times to recognize that China is that the Chinese leadership is evil.
That they are not friends, they're not allies, they're adversaries and enemies and that they were engaged in incredibly predatory economic and trade practices.
And he almost single handedly, you know, stood up to China.
And now, you know, I think everybody agrees that Trump was right.
So it's it's it's I think Trump has and I don't look, I think I think he probably will run for president.
I agree with you.
If the Republicans take over the House and Senate and it's a fair election, I think he could very easily win again.
But he's still facing so many in the party who are against him.
And and, you know, let me out with your political experience.
What have you seen over the decades that works?
When it comes to getting a politician, a senator, a chairman, a house member to do the right thing, does it always have to be couched in terms of this will get you re-elected?
What is the way to win over the GOP or do we have to primary all the people who believe in big government, Stephen?
Well, Reagan had to do it, and Trump did.
It was so interesting to me that Trump used to ask Larry Kudlow and I, and laugh all the time about Reagan.
He was very curious about Reagan.
And I just find it so interesting, even though their personalities were very different, they shared two qualities.
One is they both loved America.
They loved America.
And number two, they loved people.
And they were optimistic.
And they were optimistic about this country.
You know, I listen to the Democratic message.
It's so dour and dire.
Oh, we're all going to die.
We're going to die from climate change.
We're going to die from COVID.
You know, and, you know, we need somebody who lifts us up.
And Trump did that.
He made us feel good about our country.
Patriotism.
It's almost liberals feel like patriotism is a dirty word.
So I'm going to ask it one third time.
Do you have a strategy?
Can we turn the the Titanic ship that is the GOP and make it market friendly?
Yes.
Yes, we will.
You know why?
Because the power is in the hands of the people.
And, you know, a lot of the Republicans in Washington may not be for what you want and what I want, but the people are for it.
And that's what turned me on to Trump.
hundreds and hundreds of thousands, the millions of people who had been kind of politically quiet for decades.
And they finally found someone who said it like it was and who did what he said he was going to do.
I said, you know, I was on CNN the first year of Trump's presidency and they'd always they'd always say, why is Trump doing this?
Why is he doing that?
Because he said he was going to do it.
That's what he told me.
He did what he said he was going to do.
What a concept for a politician.
Yeah, it's totally utterly shocking for the swamp that he did that.
But yes, that You know, I love that line.
I'm not sure it makes logical sense from the point of metaphysics.
But when he said, I kept more promises than I made.
Well, yeah, he did things that no other politician has done in decades, which is he said, this is what I'm going to do.
And he actually did it.
And for those who always ask me, and I'm sure you get this question all the time, because you travel the country and you speak as well.
You know, they always want to know, what's he really like?
What's President Trump really And I say, sorry guys, if you've been awake for the last 50 years, what you see is what you get.
Donald Trump in front of 60,000 people in a stadium is exactly the same Donald Trump behind closed doors.
It's just maybe a little bit more salty.
In the Oval Office, it can be just the two of you, and he's exactly the same straight shooter, because unlike everybody else in this stinking city, they don't have two faces.
It's not Janus.
It's not the, you know, the creepy big grin and the perfect hair, and then behind the, you know, closed door, completely different.
No.
What you see is what you get, and I think You know, that's really why we elected him.
Stephen Moore with Freedom Works.
He is also the Club for Growth.
The new book is Galvazilla.
We'll be discussing it in a moment.
I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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Thank you.
You are always a cheerful guy.
And I think it's one of the few economists are actually a fun interview because sometimes it's hard to be exciting when you talk about economics.
But let me ask you, generally, you are an optimist, right, about this nation?
I mean, God, if we could just... Economics is not complicated.
That's the other thing.
It's not complicated.
This is simple stuff.
It's just common sense.
If you tax something, you get less of it.
If you cut the taxes, you get more of it.
If you get government off the back of our businesses, they'll do better.
If you create too much money, too much government spending, you're gonna get, guess what?
Inflation!
Are you surprised we have inflation?
As a great economist once said, Economics is the science of predicting that water runs downhill.
Stephen Moore, let's end on this.
Give us a little tease.
Everybody needs to get it, but tell us a little bit about why you wrote Govzilla and what people will find in it.
Because I am really concerned that our kids, I want this book in schools, you know, and it can be read in two nights.
I want our children to understand what is happening to our country, that every child born I mean, every child today born less than five years old, by the time they reach 30, they're going to have a $300,000 share of the national debt.
Is that the legacy we want to leave to our kids?
Is that, you know, the American dream is that you leave every generation better off when what we're doing right now is fiscal child abuse.
It's outrageous passing on these trillions and trillions of dollars of bill.
It's like we're partying at their expense.
So I want people to be aware of what's happening.
And we've got to turn it around.
And I'm optimistic we will do that.
But I guarantee you, the schools aren't teaching anything that we've been talking about for the last 45 minutes.
They don't teach any of this.
They teach America is a terrible country.
We're racist.
We killed all the Indians.
We're responsible for all the problems in Africa.
We're colonists.
We are the greatest country in the world.
We're not perfect people.
But everyone wants to come here because we are a land of opportunity and we're a land of freedom.
And that's not being taught in the schools.
Now, it's what this book is about.
You have to protect your freedoms.
One last thing, my favorite quote from Ronald Reagan, a government that's big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got.
Exactly.
And the eight most frightening words in the English language is I'm here from the government and I'm here to help.
That was also Ronald Reagan.
Well, God bless you for doing what you do.
You're absolutely right.
People don't risk everything.
They don't pay coyotes thousands of dollars to be smuggled into Guatemala or North Korea.
They do it to come to America and only America.
He's Stephen Moore.
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Also check his work out at freedomworks.org.
The new book.
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Galvazilla!
How the relentless growth of government is devouring America and our economy and our freedoms.
God bless you, Stephen.
Keep telling the truth.
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