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Dec. 3, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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	Welcome to your friends.
	Happy Friday.
	It's Ask Dr. G Anything Friday.
	It's Second Amendment Friday, and we have an absolutely packed show for you.
	No monologue today.
	Sorry.
	Maybe in the second hour, but we have a very, very special guest.
	We are honored.
	I think just four days, three days after he's taken up his new position to be joined by none other than the President of the conservative mothership.
	The Heritage Foundation.
	He is Dr. Kevin Roberts.
	He comes from the Texas Public Policy Foundation with a sterling record, and he is now the big man at Heritage.
	Dr. Roberts, welcome to America First.
	Seb, thanks for having me.
	It's a pleasure, my friend.
	All right, so you bring a very, very strong reputation for being a serious Texan on the issues of conservatism.
	We are huge fans of Ed Faulner.
	Full disclosure, my wife is a director at the Heritage Foundation.
	We are close friends with Kay Coles James, the outgoing president, who is a rock star, been on the show several times.
	I just want to give you a platform in front of three million patriots.
	You mentioned three or four big priorities for you.
	I was a strategist in the White House.
	You can't do strategy unless you prioritize things.
	You can't fix everything at once.
	So tell Americans across the country what heritage's new priorities are under your leadership.
	Number one, education.
	And by that I mean if we in the conservative movement don't take advantage of the absolute frustration that Americans, including some of whom are apolitical, have with the indoctrination in our schools, We've missed the opportunity of a lifetime.
	Education, number one.
	Number two, Big Tech.
	It is past time, as you know from your experience, Seb, for our institutions, starting with the Heritage Foundation, to recognize that Big Tech is the enemy of the state, to name them as such, and to develop policy reforms as a result.
	We have the definitive set of solutions coming out in the next days that will describe that.
	And thirdly, China.
	I, like you, understand the threat that the Soviet Union was to freedom, to Americans, to people around the world.
	I'm a son of the 1980s.
	We have failed as a country to recognize and to name China as the same kind of enemy today that the Soviet Union was then, and heritage is going to be leading the way there.
	If not worse in the Soviet Union because they are at war with us right now.
	Economically, propaganda-wise, financially, you name it.
	One thing you mentioned in front of your heritage team is also the phrase the deep state which made me feel good because it is real.
	I experienced it.
	Explain to our listeners what the deep state means to you.
	What the Deep State means to me is a group of unelected bureaucrats who believe that they can make decisions not being elected.
	They can make decisions that contravene leaders of administrations, like President Trump, and run the country.
	Sometimes, often, as you know better than anyone, in great secrecy.
	And I think one of the great measures of success for us, Seb, as conservatives, will be in the next few years, hopefully no more than that, Being able to eliminate the deep state from the American bureaucracy.
	Bureaucracy is bad enough, but the deep state, especially the deep state that's in the intelligence departments, the State Department, is particularly inimical to what we believe as Americans.
	I want to move on, but because this is personal to me, I have to ask you, can that be done without taking over the arms of political power?
	Can that be done from a think tank?
	Can taking on the deep state be done outside of the White House?
	No, not solely, but it's really important to your question that the think tank world, the policy organization world outside the arms of power, name it for what it is because it's not just a perception, but there's some legitimacy to the perception that some organizations, not the Heritage Foundation, are rather enamored with the idea of the deep state because it's a way of perpetuating power outside the direct purview of the American people.
	Therefore, my rationale is, by being so outspoken about the deep state being a problem, we can make sure that when our friends are in power again, hopefully in the next few years, that they have the power to take care of it.
	I give you full credit for using that phrase, because it has to begin there.
	Deal with the problem unless you diagnosed it and you had the intestinal fortitude to use that phrase.
	We're talking to Kevin Roberts, PhD.
	He is the president of the Heritage Foundation.
	Join today.
	Heritage.org and follow this man at Kevin Roberts TX.
	You're a historian by training.
	I want to Read what you've written in your first piece as president.
	There's a very important sentence here.
	Today, the most recent Republican president did more to advance conservative policy goals than the two previous Republican presidents combined, but ultimately less than he might have with a more cohesive movement and a clearer agenda, both impeded by the sclerotic DC establishment.
	Now, you know, inside baseball, I know heritage.
	I've advised heritage for several years.
	We've had a kind of belly button examination for a while in the Trump era, where we're saying, well, what is conservatism?
	This question that most people really find to be too philosophical.
	Then there's this many people inside the conservative establishment who have, oh, no, we can't talk about nationalism.
	We can't talk about populism and Brexit.
	That's just Well, that's just not Reagan and Thatcher.
	You're very clear.
	You use these phrases.
	You talk about channeling the forces of nationalism, populism.
	Will you give your vision of a Trump post-Trump?
	I don't mean, you know, I think he's going to be back.
	He's going to be elected.
	What is the conservative challenge?
	Are we going to be bogged down in semantics?
	Are we going to be bogged down in what is a synonym for conservatism in the 21st century?
	Or can we get our arms around things like Brexit and make America great again?
	I think among the many things that President Trump taught us, beyond just the policy successes, the judicial successes, was that we just need to call a spade a spade.
	And it's not that President Trump is an anti-intellectual.
	It's that he is as frustrated with that navel-gazing and beard-stroking as the average American.
	And he understands.
	I talked to him a few weeks ago.
	There is a very important role for an organization like the Heritage Foundation, which is to have those conversations, to develop the policy reform.
	But this is the really important thing, Seb.
	And it gets straight to the heart of your question, whether or not he decides to run.
	That conservatism and Americanism has a decidedly strong Trump flavor.
	And by that, I don't even mean something specific philosophically.
	As much as a typical American attitude of getting things done.
	That's what we have to be focused on, whether or not he runs.
	All right, perfectly put.
	Let's talk about the other side of the aisle.
	As the son of those who were persecuted under communist dictatorship, my father having been tortured in prison by the communists and then liberated from a political prison, for many years as an immigrant, when Americans who were born here said, You know the Democrats, the other side, they're socialists or they're communists.
	I used to get pissed.
	I used to get pissed off and I used to say, really?
	Can I talk to you about communism?
	Can I talk to you about the scars on my dad's body from the torturers from the secret police?
	If I may, Kevin, I don't do that anymore.
	This is real socialism.
	It is.
	What do you think?
	I agree.
	I used to say that when I was a history professor.
	And, you know, mixed audience of students.
	And I want to be respectful as a professor, even as a conservative one, of the opposing views.
	I'm not trying to call anybody out.
	Everyone's getting a fair shake.
	But to your point, I used to go out of my way to say that we want to be careful about calling leftist socialists because it's not really true.
	And I give this seemingly brilliant academic response, right?
	Well, real life.
	Especially in the last 10 years, especially last two, has proven to me that's not the way to go.
	And therefore, I mean it when I say it, it's not hyperbole.
	That radical American leftists are as steeped in socialism, unfortunately, as the socialism your family endured.
	Yeah.
	God bless you for being a little bit Trumpian, if I may.
	I don't want to get anybody, I don't get you in trouble.
	Oh, you call me Trumpian.
	I'll take it, brother.
	Wow.
	Did you hear that?
	The president of the Heritage Foundation says, I'll take it, brother.
	Why?
	Because for me, it's not about the personalities.
	It's not about the accent.
	It's not about the tweets.
	It's about common sense.
	As an American now, I think it is one of the vital common characteristics of Americans.
	It's common sense.
	And if you see something is bust, you've got to fix it.
	And I think this man is on a mission to help patriots fix the swamp.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	We are talking to Dr. Kevin Roberts.
	He is the new president of the Heritage Foundation, formerly of the Texas Public Policy Foundation.
	Follow him at KevinRobertsTX.
	We've only just started.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, Don't you dare touch that dial.
	The End
	The Spryder wrote some of that, but it came in a little not on the bullseye, and so I wrote the first half.
	But did you really publish it in NRO?
	Oh, yeah.
	Why?
	To broaden the audience.
	Those guys are dead.
	They're moribund.
	And now that VDH is finally gone, thank you VDH for moving on to find a better pastures, it's like, guys, they just don't get it.
	They just don't get the last six years.
	Most of them don't, but sort of to your comment about heritage and misperceptions there, I think a couple of them do.
	Yeah, I know, but as a brand, they don't.
	As an establishment, they don't.
	They need a good kick in the pants.
	Well, that was my motivation in publishing it.
	Good, good.
	And they did.
	They did.
	Yeah.
	Well, we're going to promote the Daily Signal version, if you don't mind.
	Perfect.
	All right, will you post it on the Twitter and Facebook feeds?
	Yep.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We've got a prison fellowship here.
	Yes.
	You're going to use the older audio?
	Gotcha. - Yeah.
	Really, the whole idea that nationalism is a bad word, that was one of the first things I encountered in D.C.
	when I first came here four years ago.
	That blew my mind.
	You've got to give them credit.
	They succeeded.
	The left succeeded to make it a pejorative term.
	The idea that the national interest is a bad thing is insane, of course, but the word nationalism was tied to extreme right.
	And that's what I think I saw at Heritage.
	A lot of people struggled with even saying the word.
	Yeah.
	It's true.
	That's why one of my favorite things from Trump was that one rally where he just goes, I'm a nationalist, okay?
	I'm a nationalist.
	Well, and I think Steve, give Steve full credit, Steve popularized the term, Bannon, of economic nationalism, which is the first kind of way to, guys, come on.
	It's our economy.
	It's your job.
	Let's be real about this.
	So how big is TPPF?
	About 120 employees.
	Wow!
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's the biggest state-based group.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Forty-five employees when I got there six years ago.
	And we just took advantage of a lot of opportunities.
	Yeah, well that state network is great.
	It is.
	The public policy network.
	It is.
	A lot of good people.
	A lot of good work going on right now.
	So one of the things we'll do at Heritage is, as Katie and our colleagues know, is spend a lot more time complementing what's going on at the state level.
	I think it's a huge opportunity for us.
	Look, the left understood it.
	It's a cliche, but it was absolutely true.
	Politics is local, and they did it.
	I mean, look, it's cool to be president or work in the White House, but the way you create a political movement is at the local school boards, is at the county commissioner.
	And the left understood it, and we didn't.
	We just kind of woke up one morning, and they had everything.
	Yeah, and the left overreaching, which of course it always does, has given us a great gift with the school board stuff.
	And it's reminded us that's where we need to be paying attention.
	And also, this is why you play for the breaks, because nobody saw this, it's because of COVID.
	As you said right at the beginning, the apolitical, who never thought they saw themselves ever as political, saw the garbage that their kids were being taught on Zoom, and then said, what?
	What, I'm a racist because of my skin color?
	And my kid has now got a complex that they're going to be a victim or an oppressor.
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	We are back with the brand new.
	He's shiny, he's so new.
	Especially his forehead.
	Well, that's TMI.
	We're talking to Dr. Kevin Roberts coming from the great Republic of Texas to head the Heritage Foundation.
	Follow him at... I'll tell you right now.
	I heard it.
	Kevin Roberts TX and Heritage.org.
	We're talking about his new article, his vision for the Conservative Mothership.
	We're going to talk about your lawsuit, super excited, getting into the trenches against the Biden administration.
	But first, bugbear, my bugbear, and this is what I helped Heritage with for a little bit.
	Andrew Breitbart was right.
	Politics is downstream from culture.
	By the time an issue arrives in this fetid, stinking swamp, I don't care what it is.
	Second Amendment, abortion, the border.
	By the time it's here, it has been settled 20 years ago in Hollywood, in the media, on social.
	It's irrelevant, really, what happens in this city.
	My worry is we still don't get what Andrew taught us.
	We love to have the PowerPoints.
	Here's the Laffer Curve.
	Here's another slide.
	But we've forgotten what Reagan did, which is communicate emotionally.
	Ben Shapiro, I'm sorry, Ben, if you're listening, you're wrong.
	Yes, facts don't care about your feelings, but feelings win elections.
	We have the truth.
	Ronald Reagan had it, but he could communicate it emotionally.
	My old boss, President Trump, whatever you thought about him, There was no question he loved America.
	When he came out on that stage, it was genuine.
	What is it going to take for the conservative movement writ large to get back to that point where it's not just data and slides, but communicating with Americans?
	You are 100% right.
	I'm not saying that just to be agreeable, but you're 100% right.
	And the good news is that we have learned that.
	And some examples are the recent election in Virginia.
	Not just Glenn Youngkin, but also scores of state house candidates, right?
	And how were they communicating?
	They were leading with the emotion.
	They were leading with something in particular, which is acknowledging the frustration that these aforementioned apolitical parents had about the indoctrination.
	And then they were saying, guess what?
	If you elect me, I've got the facts to back this up, and I've got the policy solutions to do it.
	And so I think the logical extension of your question is, what's the Heritage Foundation going to do to make that permanent?
	And it's to make sure that we lead with those emotional acknowledgements, right?
	And I think that's happening.
	I gave a speech to like 200 patriots in Virginia last night.
	Man, it was a culture war for them.
	But what can you do for the GOP to get it?
	Can you help the official conservatives understand what Reagan and what Trump gets instinctually?
	Yes, and I'll tell you how.
	The very specific lane that the Heritage Foundation plays for the movement is to learn from our grassroots friends, which we have, and then because we're headquartered in D.C., because we're willing to fight behind enemy lines, which is the nation's capital, to go spend time with members of Congress and their staff and convey to them, this is how you ought to communicate.
	I did that on my first day with the Republican Study Committee, members of the U.S.
	House.
	And obviously, we're going to learn from them about their needs, etc.
	But what was their number one question, Seb?
	Tell me.
	Kevin, how can we be better at messaging on what we need to be messaging?
	Good!
	At least they realize they've got a problem.
	It's a great sign.
	First thing you have to do at Alcomics Anonymous, allegedly.
	I don't know.
	Okay, let's talk about your law.
	It's not just about policies.
	You are jumping in feet first.
	You're taking action.
	What's this I hear about a lawsuit?
	Hey, the Heritage Foundation has never filed a lawsuit in which it was a plaintiff until this week.
	And the reason is that, as I mentioned to our board last week as we were going into Thanksgiving, we've got this problem.
	And the problem is the vaccine mandate.
	And just as I did at Wyoming Catholic College where we sued the Obama administration and we rejected federal student loans and grants, at the Heritage Foundation I am never going to ask our employees for private health information we don't have the right to.
	Let's go fight.
	And as I recommended to the board, and great credit to Kay James for agreeing with this and the board agreeing unanimously, let's go put a torpedo in the water in the form of this lawsuit.
	And that is what I mean, as I told our staff on Wednesday morning when I started.
	I am on offense every day, all the time, because that's what's at stake in this country.
	All right, last question.
	I've been given my marching orders by my boss who said, you gotta ask him this question.
	OK, Katie, I'm asking it right now.
	We are ecstatic about what's happening at the school boards.
	K through 12, I think we can fix it with the mama bears and with the dads who want to actually make things happen.
	You ran a college.
	Can we even fix higher ed?
	There's schools I think we can do.
	Can we save higher education colleges?
	No.
	You've got to overthrow it.
	Control-Alt-Delete is how you fix American higher ed.
	So you've got to start over.
	And we've got some ideas on the policy side when we have more time another day to fix it.
	But people need to understand, you know, pick your spouse, your friend, put three hands together.
	There's no more than 15 colleges you need to be entertaining sending your kids to.
	It's that bad.
	Where did you find this guy?
	I like him a lot.
	State of Texas, brother.
	I like these Texans.
	I mean, you know, I'm not allowed to endorse political candidates, but I have to tell you, this Dr. Kevin Roberts, he's got my vote as the new president of the Heritage Foundation if it means anything.
	Guys, we love what Heritage has done since 1973.
	In the personage of Ed and Kay and I think we're going to see a renaissance, a new kind of Heritage Foundation because it is a marker.
	This guy is a historian.
	Did you hear what he just said?
	First time ever Heritage has brought a suit where it is the plaintiff and in this case it is against the unconstitutional mandates.
	It is very clear that these are exciting times.
	A message in the last minute we have for those who Maybe aren't familiar with Heritage, aren't a member.
	Why should they join?
	Because we understand at Heritage that what is at stake is the future of America.
	We are always going to provide the policy solutions to fix the problems, but increasingly what we have been doing is showing a willingness to fight to lead the way.
	What Americans are looking for Whether or not they like all of the ways President Trump talked about things is that same gut-level instinct of fighting, and I'm going to use some word I don't use often, Seb, I promise them every single day, those of us who have to work inside the nation's capital, walk into that building at the Heritage Foundation, we are representing you and we're going to fight for you every day.
	Those are very, very stimulating words.
	I think you've done a great deal in the last 29 minutes to convince a good chunk of the 74 million that voted for President Trump that the conservative movement's mothership is in good hands.
	Can I get you to be a regular guest maybe once a month or every couple of months to come on and give us an update?
	As often as you would like it'd be my privilege.
	All right, in front of a witness.
	His PR guru is in the room.
	We've got it.
	Nailed him down right now.
	I'm excited.
	Join today.
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	so mike's on uh Oh man, that was... That was one of the best interviews in a long time, I think.
	Alright, chorus up.
	Yeah.
	He was... That was... That was good.
	That was so good.
	Mr. Cooper!
	Hello!
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	Oh, and then the book is?
	How Donald Trump is Making Black America Great Again.
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	My gosh, what a crazy Friday it already is.
	Second guest of the day, a very good friend of America, first senior fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research, also with Project 21, Horace Cooper.
	What did you just say to me?
	Happy post-Thanksgiving?
	And Merry Christmas.
	And Merry Christmas.
	And to you, my friend, how goes it with you?
	Are you still in a free state?
	And it's almost 80 degrees.
	That's insanity.
	You are in the Lone Star State, Horace?
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	Fabulous.
	All right.
	I need your exterior perspective from outside of the swamp to the following.
	There is a poll that was published two days ago.
	Over 50 percent of Americans polled say that the current incumbent of the White House is responsible mostly for the division in America.
	How is that possible?
	I thought Joe Biden told us on his inauguration day that he was going to bring peace and unity, Horace!
	To see more of President Biden is to love less of President Biden.
	Hiding in the basement to campaign turned out to be a remarkably ingenious strategy.
	Unfortunately, the White House doesn't lend itself so well to that approach.
	And the American people get a chance to see for themselves what is going on.
	Talk to us about the state, if you would, if I may.
	If I may do identity politics with you, my friend.
	What is the status of race relations in America today?
	Well, race relations have dropped to a significant low point.
	Not because of any meritorious basis.
	Not because there are fewer black kids living in homes where they have either been adopted or their parents have married others who are not black.
	In fact, the opposite is true.
	We have a record number of non-whites, particularly white Americans, excuse me, non-blacks, particularly white Americans, raising black children.
	We have a record number low, even though the media would suggest otherwise, in the number of prosecutions for hate crimes.
	In fact, the EEOC is reporting a record low in the number of investigations that they are doing for race-based discrimination in the workforce.
	Almost every bank, every large corporation, all walks of life in America, black Americans, like others, are heavily and eagerly welcomed and represented.
	But the mainstream media would tell you otherwise.
	And the tragedy, from our perspective as a country, is our leaders in Washington wish to act as if None of this is true.
	And a consequence has been both white and black America now report that race relations are more strained than they have been.
	Oh, guess what?
	Since we had our first black president.
	It is a remarkable state of affairs in a country as amazing as ours.
	That our leaders have been able to divide us on racial grounds the way that they have.
	It's an amazing anti-achievement.
	In the last minute we have with you Horace, please explain this to me.
	I was at a group of about 200 patriots in Virginia yesterday and I had black parents come up to me who are active in stopping CRT in the schools here in Virginia.
	Why would a black parent want to stop critical race theory if it's about race?
	And the same reason they would want to stop this idea of social promotion passing people who can't read or who can't write or who can't accomplish basic mathematics.
	Critical race theory claims that black Americans are victims in a racist American situation.
	People can look around and they can see that unlike The antebellum South, period.
	Black Americans can live and thrive.
	And in Virginia, as you may know, we have the first black elected lieutenant governor that the state had ever seen in the modern period.
	All of these things make it pretty clear why black Americans are rejecting the CRT message and the implicit indictment that America's bigoted.
	We had Winston Sears on my Newsmax show, guys.
	Don't forget to watch it every Sunday night.
	You can hear the joy in his voice because he's living in a free state.
	God bless you, Horace Cooper.
	Likewise, happy post-Thanksgiving and happy... I think we should start.
	Can we start?
	It's December 3rd, isn't it?
	Happy Christmas, everybody.
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	Mic's on.
	From one to the next.
	Okay, titles.
	Um, he said, what did he say?
	He said something really good, hang on.
	Roberts?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's...
	We've identified the enemies of the state.
	Nice.
	Horace Cooper.
	Yep.
	Yes, Biden is responsible.
	Yep.
	So how many of these cuts am I going to get through today?
	That is the question.
	That is... Well, it depends on which ones are the best cuts of the day.
	I know.
	Where's Mr. G?
	I think he's going to get Boris.
	Boris.
	Boris.
	From Boris to Boris.
	Apparently.
	Alright.
	Baldwin might be fun.
	What?
	Baldwin again.
	Actually, I think let's come in with something from Australia.
	Let's do the short one.
	Let's do five.
	Come in with cut five.
	Oh, yeah, I see it.
	Okay.
	Good.
	Yeah, we'll come in with cut five, 55 seconds.
	Okay.
	So, again, we've got Stand With Israel, TORM, and Relief Factor here.
	Relief Factor, okay.
	And we've got the news network mentioned before that, Eric, so it'll be a second before we play the cut.
	Can we get some better, can we get more images for Israel and ditch one of them that's in Jerusalem?
	It's not high-res enough, so let's just get some better ones.
	All right, 30 seconds.
	Okay.
	And I think...
	Yeah, he's here.
	20 seconds.
	Alright.
	Rock and roll, we're coming in with the cut.
	Hey buddy.
	Alright, stand by.
	All right.
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	We start with breaking news at a Darwin where three people have escaped from the Howard Springs COVID quarantine facility.
	Talia Saab is there for us.
	Talia, good morning.
	There's a search underway right now.
	Yes, that's right, Davina.
	Good morning to you.
	We've been told the trio scaled the fence in the early hours of this morning.
	Police receiving reports around 4.40am.
	Now, major police checkpoints have been set up around Howard Springs for the past several hours.
	As you can see in these pictures, they've been conducting Checking the trunks of vehicles for people who've escaped.
	What was their crime?
	Did they rob a bank?
	Was it kidnapping?
	Was it grand theft auto?
	No.
	They caught COVID and left the camp.
	That's Australia.
	That's not CNN.
	That's not SNL.
	That's not Monty Python.
	That is actual news from Australia with their COVID camps.
	Sheer insanity.
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	He's in studio by the skin of his teeth, arriving seven seconds before we went live, but that's how much of a pro he is.
	He's never late.
	He's Boris Epstein, former strategic advisor to the Trump 2020 campaign, former special assistant to President Trump.
	Happy Friday, Boris.
	Shabbat shalom.
	Shabbat shalom.
	How are you doing?
	I'm doing great.
	I'm doing great.
	Joe Biden's in the 20s in the polling.
	Okay.
	We just mentioned it with our second guest.
	More than 50% of the nation think that he's responsible for everything that's wrong in America.
	That's not bad.
	In month 11.
	The strongly disapproved, the last Trafalgar poll, strongly disapproved is at 52.2 combined approved and strongly approved.
	Stop, stop, stop right now.
	I'm going to interrupt you because I'm allowed to.
	It's your show.
	You bring You have this knack that you can do the politics, you can do the law stuff, but you have this fine little sprinkling on top of this historic inject now and again.
	You have this kind of little frustrated history professor.
	We love it.
	Very much so.
	We love it.
	I gotta ask you, can you think of anybody, let's do it like in human memory, so let's do the 20th century, last hundred years.
	Has any president tanked this so much, so fast?
	No.
	It took Carter a few years.
	It took Carter a few years.
	It took Nixon a while.
	No doubt about it.
	Hoover was only because of the Great Depression, right in 1929.
	Nixon won a re-election in a landslide.
	Correct.
	It took him a second term.
	A landslide over McGovern.
	So, if you look at history, I mean, you know, it's just the president, you know, like the William Henry Harrisons of the world, who didn't make it out of their first year, they think, but that's because they didn't survive.
	This is the worst It actually, you have to look beyond American history, because if you look throughout American history, all our presidents, okay, all our 45 presidents, Grover Cleveland twice, that's why it's 45, there's never been somebody who came in at over 60% approval, and then in 11 months went to the 20s.
	It's unprecedented.
	And again, not just disapproved.
	Strongly disapprove at 52.
	Combined approve and strongly approve is in the mid-30s.
	This is somebody who's so, again, if we look at history, and I'm trying to look at Buchanan, you look at Pierce, all these presidents who are considered terrible, Carter as you mentioned, Obama in our view, nobody's touched this.
	And you know what?
	I was actually talking to a reporter.
	Today and you know about something totally separate about how MAGA is taking over precinct committees, poll watchers, and how MAGA is getting involved now.
	And we're pushing out the Zuck Buck, we're pushing out the Dems, pushing out Mark Elias' army.
	And I said, here's the problem that Joe Biden has.
	It's not just that he makes mistakes.
	The basic human level of competency is absent.
	Yeah, so this is, and I don't want to, this may annoy people, but you and I knew this.
	This is not a surprise to us or, you know, you're a big star on War Room with Steve.
	Steve knew all this.
	The MAGA core knew this.
	We screamed it from the rooftop.
	What's going on?
	Did tens of millions of Americans really think the senile old git would be okay?
	Couple things.
	One, they stole the election.
	Yeah, we know that.
	That's why I said tens of millions did vote for him.
	How do you explain it?
	Here's how you explain it.
	And you gotta give credit where credit is due.
	The basement strategy worked to get, you know, what I would estimate about 60 million votes.
	That's what I would, if we honest real voters, about 60 million.
	That's what I think.
	And President Trump, I actually think got about 80 million or more.
	I think that's where, you know, I think that's where it played out.
	And the stay in the basement, and also keep in mind, right?
	You could run this piece of paper as a Democrat, right?
	If it said D on it, you're gonna get, you know, 30 million votes, right?
	So that next 30, it was, you know, some of the never-Trumpers, some of the haters, and the guy stayed in the basement.
	Now, if anybody put an ounce of honest consideration into their vote, I don't see how they voted for Joe Biden, but now we know they regret it.
	So here, and we can roll this into the next segment because we only got a minute left, this is...
	What do we do about those who really voted with a conviction that it would be alright?
	Because I feel we just write them off.
	You can't, you can't, you can't... These are not people functioning in the real world, Boris.
	Well, if you look at the polling...
	Democrats now have about 30% of them who are disapproving of Biden.
	So I actually would say that there's a basic base of nuts, woke liberals.
	Lemmings.
	That's it.
	They're gone.
	Their brains are fried.
	They like their camps in Australia.
	They're gone.
	Then there's the level who are sort of on the fence.
	And then there's those who actually weren't sure about him.
	But out of party loyalty or what have you.
	Okay we're talking to Boris Epstein.
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	How was your weekend?
	Good!
	Which one?
	The last one?
	The Thanksgiving?
	It was interesting.
	We were in a tent.
	It was 38 degrees but they had it heated.
	It was great because all the cousins were there.
	It was like 13-14 cousins and our kids were having fun.
	Did you smile?
	I had, it was so bloody cold, I had one oliva outside and I didn't photograph it.
	That was it.
	Where was I?
	I was at the little club I told you about.
	And I didn't think to photograph it early enough, but it actually didn't have a wrapper.
	The last one you sent me didn't have a wrapper.
	It didn't have a wrapper.
	It was a Hoya de Monterrey.
	I like the Hoya.
	I like the Excaliburs.
	Yeah.
	It's good.
	Good cigar.
	Good cigar.
	So yeah, I'm off to Arizona on Monday.
	I'm trying to make things happen over there.
	Good.
	Who's going to be there?
	Well, I'm going to help with the Pima Network.
	We're working on an audit in Pima County.
	Right.
	So I'm going to go work on that.
	And then they're having the America Festival.
	Are you going to that?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you're going to Phoenix?
	I think I'll be there on the Monday.
	Fine.
	Let me know.
	I'll be there.
	You'll be there.
	OK.
	Are you staying over?
	No, I'm going to fly in and out.
	Oh, you are?
	OK.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because I've got the other show.
	All right, 15 and merch.
	Yeah.
	15 and merch.
	OK.
	There's a shorty, right?
	Yep.
	Yeah, the last segment of the hour, three and a half.
	All right.
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	Every administration is...
	You know, there's, you know, swings and roundabouts.
	People come and good people go.
	But have we ever seen three people in senior levels resign in just two weeks?
	Like, in Kamala's office?
	No.
	The EOB, the Executive Office Building, where the Vice President sits and works, is a total dumpster fire.
	And it's a dumpster fire even compared to the West Wing, which is a total dumpster fire, okay?
	So it's like a dumpster fire on steroids.
	On top of dumpster fire.
	It is a total mess.
	It is an absolute and total mess.
	And this is because of Kamala's character.
	Of course it is.
	Remember, Kamala Harris was the first Democrat to drop out of the primaries.
	At 1.7%.
	And she was a leader going in.
	She was one of the favorites.
	They said, oh, Kamala Harris, we have to think about her as a serious candidate.
	Wrong!
	Okay?
	Right.
	She has been an absolute embarrassment.
	Her approval rating is in the 20s.
	And for a vice president, that's shocking.
	We've got a minute and a half.
	You know, Chad Pellgrim is one of the most straight-shooting, sober guys out there.
	Fox News' congressional correspondent.
	When he says he's seen emails of Democrats being told on Capitol Hill to prep for the function of picking a new vice president, that sort of dumps the pie.
	That's a disaster.
	Well, here's the problem.
	This is month 11.
	Well, there's got to be two reasons.
	Could be Biden stepping down.
	Yeah, but there's no way they're going to make her president.
	Come on, guys.
	I don't think they'll make her president.
	No.
	I don't think so.
	They want to replace her.
	I think they want to replace her and make someone else president, yes.
	Also, if they were smart, what they would really do is somehow get her to resign, have Nancy Pelosi resign, elect Hakeem Jeffries as speaker, and then have him, because at least that guy's got a brain.
	I disagree with him on all issues.
	But these rumors!
	It's gonna be boot-edge-edge.
	I mean, that would be superb!
	Wouldn't that be amazing for us?
	Well, hold on.
	What?
	I don't think he'll be able to do it.
	Oh, is he still on maternity leave?
	He's got paternity leave.
	Is he breastfeeding?
	Well, he's not doing it, but he's figuring out how to do it.
	Chest feeding.
	He's very close.
	Did you see this story?
	I just gotta mention it.
	Did you see this story?
	This is mind-blowing.
	A woman on a plane was breastfeeding her cat.
	It was a bald cat.
	It was a shaved cat!
	It was a shaved cat!
	And it's shown in the article!
	The pilot's tennis checks back to base.
	Woman, passenger, breastfeeding, shaved cat.
	Guys, it's insanity!
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	It's you, Alec Baldwin.
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	Okay, it was yesterday the Supreme Court heard the oral arguments and our good friend for The Daily Caller, Margaret Olihan, did a montage of the crazies.
	Cut seven.
	What does our country look like if Roe v. Wade is overturned?
	I'm gonna start crying.
	Women will die.
	Women will die?
	Women will die.
	We're out here today at the United States Supreme Court where justices are hearing oral arguments about one of the most pivotal abortion cases of our lifetime.
	We'll be asking protesters on both sides of the aisle what our country would look like without Roe v. Wade.
	Let's go see what they have to say.
	It'll look like women going to jail.
	A lot of women will die.
	Or they will be forced into a life of poverty.
	A lot of women are telling me that women will die if Roe is overturned.
	I think that's happening already.
	It's really scary because it puts a lot of people in immediate physical danger.
	And I just don't want to see that happen.
	It's probably not a good idea, for those who didn't see the video, it's probably not a good idea in your dyed pink hair to be a pro-abortion activist on the step of the Supreme Court with a Covid mask that has the serial killer symbol from the Silence of the Lamb.
	You know, the Silence of the Lambs, the death head moss symbol used by the serial killer, Probably not a good logo to have on your mask.
	What do you think, guys?
	John, what do you think?
	Do you think a serial killer's logo on your COVID mask sends the right message?
	Or maybe it's because you believe in mass murder by abortion.
	Maybe they're just big Margaret Sanger fans, you know?
	Maybe that's the reason they just love it so much.
	You mean women's health?
	Women's health.
	Oh, women will die.
	Like, women aren't dying.
	Unborn.
	Hang on.
	That's the point.
	You know which women are going to die?
	The very little ones in the womb that are already being killed.
	Up to 50 million murdered already.
	Oh my gosh!
	So creepy!
	But is it as creepy as Whoopi Goldberg?
	I'll let you judge.
	This is what she had to say about... How old is Whoopi anyway?
	Cut eight.
	Do any of you men...
	Do you have any eggs or the possibility of carrying a fetus?
	How dare you talk about what a fetus wants?
	You have no idea!
	Now, I'm fine if you disagree with abortion.
	I have no problem with that.
	My problem comes when you tell me what I need to do with my doctor and my family.
	How dare you?
	How dare you?
	It's not you.
	It's a separate life.
	Whoopi, you're so stupid.
	I mean, does she even know that at the point of conception, not viability, the point of, I'll say it one more time, conception, and I don't mean the Spanish name, okay?
	At the point of conception.
	Completely new and unique dioxyribonucleic acid is created.
	There is a new DNA signature of a new human being.
	From that point onward, it isn't your body.
	Let's go to your calls.
	833-33-GORKA.
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	I haven't even had a coffee today.
	Is this crazy?
	Eric, can you believe I'm uncaffeinated?
	I would never know.
	I think you are always this energetic because you're always this happy to do the show.
	On Fridays, especially.
	It's Second Amendment Friday.
	We're going to take some Second Amendment courses.
	But first, it's Ask Dr. G Anything Friday.
	Mark, New Jersey, what's your question?
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka.
	By the way, there's still an 11-year-old innocent girl in Fighting for her life in Wisconsin along with the eight-year-old boy and the others who died.
	I think there's 11 or maybe more children who are still in hospital after the race-fueled massacre by that SUV driver, correct?
	And thank you for reminding us of that.
	Thank you for mentioning it.
	And my point is the Democrat politicians like Ms.
	Harris and others who encourage these judges to give no cash, low cash bail.
	We don't have to go into what happened in Wisconsin.
	They should be held legally liable, although I'm not a lawyer.
	And last point, doctor, thank you.
	I think if you could please encourage your conservative associates for people to take advantage of calling into Washington Journal on C-SPAN on the Republican or Independent lines.
	Yes.
	Because we need to get our voices out there.
	The Democrats are shrewdly monopolizing.
	That show goes to millions, tens of millions around the world.
	Mark, this is really, really massively important.
	I don't think anybody's raised this.
	This is so important because I've been on Washington Journal several times and the people who ring up the Washington Journal to talk to the guests They're either Democrats, or lunatics, or both.
	And I mean really.
	Whack-a-doodle half the time, with the odd exception.
	So guys, Washington Journal, Sunday mornings.
	Let's get some Republicans to tell the mainstream lying media the truth out there.
	Great, great idea.
	Thank you, Mark, for that call.
	Let's go to Al, California, line one.
	Hey, Sebastian.
	If I don't get you beforehand, Merry Christmas coming up.
	Thank you.
	Listen, I've got a question about the Mauser rifle and one about Arnhem.
	I was reading it from German paratroopers and other soldiers said they preferred the Czechoslovakian Mauser to the German one, saying it was made of better steel and better engineered and better to the cold.
	And if you think about it, the Czech arms industry is where the Bren gun came from, and the Bren gun won World War II.
	So that's an interesting point.
	Now, here's a second point on Arnhem.
	I watched the bridge too far over the weekend.
	There was an early one made in 1946, but I watched the more current one with Redford and Sean Connery.
	Now, they were supposed to be three handovers until they reached the bridge.
	82nd to 101, 101 to British Airborne.
	Well, the British tank stopped, even though the American paratroopers came up to support them.
	And this British paratrooper that was a paratrooper in the 1960s, he said, well, They never trained with American troops.
	They were an unknown quantity.
	I'll tell you why those British troops stopped and didn't move.
	They were afraid of German anti-tank weapons like the Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck.
	The Sherman was very vulnerable, and that was never brought up in the movie.
	If you're in a Sherman tank, And you come up against those highly skilled German soldiers, anybody in the world would be scared to move.
	They said, well, you only needed to move about 10 miles, but they never brought that up in the movie.
	The Sherman tank was very vulnerable.
	Look, every movie is a compromise, and you're right.
	I mean, they were very short-range weapons, but the Panzerfaust and the Panzerschreck were effective against the Sherman until things got a little bit more up-armored.
	But to your earlier point, I think it's a tactic.
	It's a bit of an overstatement to say the Bren gun won World War II.
	I have a Bren gun in .303 and .308.
	It's a superb rifle.
	It is, of course, the original Bruneau light machine gun.
	However, I would say the Garand or Grand rifle was quite influential.
	Well, General Patton thinks it was the most important influential weapon of World War II.
	When it comes to the different types of Mausers, Czech over German, totally depends on which year of the war.
	In the first few years of the war, German machinery, steel quality was top notch.
	Once things got a little bit more difficult for the Germans, that's when it went downhill.
	But look, there's a reason the Model 98 is still the quintessential hunting rifle.
	It is the quintessence of a bolt-action rifle.
	But to be honest, Al, the Czechs did make great weapons, and they still do.
	I love my CZ-75s.
	Back with Jim Carufano.
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	We could call this the Heritage Day.
	We've got the new president comes in studio to talk to us and, of course, our loyal national security foreign policy expert.
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	Jim, we've got to talk about the Europeans, foreign relations, the White House.
	But first, the story that nobody's really talking about enough.
	Russia, Ukraine, are we on the brink of war?
	Well, Europeans are talking about it.
	I told you I've talked to a number of Europeans and they're just gobsmacked about what's going on.
	So what's going on first?
	Well, so Putin has massed masses of equipment on Ukraine and in a huge army there and then he drew some of them off and now he's sending them back.
	So there is an army big enough to invade Ukraine.
	If Putin wanted to invade Ukraine tomorrow, He could do it.
	And he's sending messages to D.C. saying, don't arm the Ukrainians.
	Right.
	Don't arm the Ukrainians.
	Don't have NATO troops.
	I mean, he's been very intimidating.
	And this is one of actually six or seven major provocations that the Russians are doing simultaneously.
	The response to that was to blink and wave his finger at Putin.
	And if you remember, Putin was a KGB agent and they used to, like, take people's fingers and snap them off for fun.
	So that wasn't very effective.
	So now Biden said he is going to meet with Putin.
	And today Biden says, well, I have a plan to deter the Russians and I'm going to put this on the table with Putin.
	I don't think anybody thinks that this is really going to be very effective.
	But the big question is, will Putin invade Ukraine?
	And my argument is, No, that doesn't mean he won't.
	He could wake up tomorrow and decide he does.
	I mean, I don't speak for Putin, obviously, but the analogy I use is like you are playing poker with the worst poker player on the planet Earth, right?
	Who's the bad poker player?
	Joe Biden.
	Joe Biden, right.
	And what do you do?
	I would just keep playing, right?
	You know, you could go all Tony Soprano and rob the game, but why bother, right?
	What is the pretext?
	Because last time it was minorities and this is Russian territory anyway.
	Are we already hearing the pretext for an invasion?
	Well, the thing right now is Putin is demanding, essentially, that NATO forswear NATO enlargement, that NATO completely withdraw from the Ukraine, disengage from the Ukraine.
	That's the thing.
	The ultimate goal is... But if he uses force, what's his excuse going to be?
	Ethnic minorities?
	He'll make one up, doesn't matter.
	People say, well, why do I care?
	It's not part of NATO.
	We don't have to defend it.
	Look, he's got three countries, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine.
	Each one he partially occupies.
	And they're there for the purpose, not that they themselves deliver very much, That is a spear into the West that he can use whenever he wants to destabilize the West.
	And why does he want to do that?
	Because ultimately what he wants is for NATO to dissolve and for the United States to leave Europe, so essentially he can do whatever he wants.
	And you're like, well, why do we care?
	And I'll tell you why we care.
	It's like, this is our house.
	And Vladimir Putin walks in and says, you can stay in the bedroom.
	And that's it.
	Yeah.
	Because in the end, that's what the Chinese and Russians want.
	They want a bigger sphere of influence and at the end of the day the answer to the question why should we care is it doesn't matter where the country is, what the theater is, if a sphere of influence of a fundamentally anti-democratic nation increases that's bad for everybody.
	It's just simple math Jim.
	Yeah, if the Japanese had never stepped on American soil in 1945, and the Germans had never set foot in America, but they'd gotten the world that they wanted, you would have had a country that was completely cut off from trade and everything else.
	And you call that freedom?
	I call that a prison.
	Yeah, bingo.
	This is what I call it.
	Nicely put, nicely put.
	I'm going to do something a little bit different, because one of our most loyal callers, listeners, has got a superb national security question, and I want him to put it to our resident guest.
	Don, Los Angeles, happy Friday!
	Oh, happy Friday to you, Dr. G. Mr. Carafano, hello to you as well.
	Good, good to be talking to you.
	You didn't think you were going to get to talk to the big cheese, did you, Don?
	Wow.
	I mean, this is this is the dynamic duo of national security.
	You live in California.
	So you've lost all credibility with me, but take your best shot.
	Ask your Asia Pacific question to Jim.
	Yeah, I'm behind enemy lines.
	I can see the Pacific from my living room.
	I can see the Pacific from my living room.
	But what I was going to ask was, I've been hearing in the Epoch Times, they've been doing these magnificent articles on Taiwan.
	They just did a piece about the Baltic state representatives going to Taiwan.
	I mean, they're in the same boat.
	They're both under the gun.
	But my question was, Mr. Abe, the former Prime Minister of Japan, I believe, Made a statement.
	He said if China attacks Taiwan, he said the US and Japan can't stay out.
	And I know South Korea and Japan can't stay out because if they take Taiwan, they can strangle Japan and Korea anytime they want.
	So they could win without a fight.
	And my question is, I've heard all these strategies about porcupines and poison frogs and poison shrimp.
	Could you just maybe give me a quick rundown of what you think we need to do to enhance deterrence and help the Taiwanese and then be ready to come over the horizon if necessary?
	Thank you, Don.
	Great question.
	Right.
	So the first thing, of course, is everything Taiwan can do to support its self-defense.
	That's absolutely vital.
	The other thing is, is all these international connections to Taiwan That really raises the bar and difficulty for the Chinese if countries are dealing with them, recognizing with them, engaging with them.
	So that's super important.
	And depending on them, because right now Taiwan is the chip maker of the universe.
	And if you take that offline, the entire world economy really suffers.
	So raising the bar on doing something in Taiwan in a way that you couldn't do with Hong Kong, But what does that look like?
	What is raising the bar for America?
	Say if Biden weren't president, what would we do?
	I think, you know, dramatically doing whatever you can to enhance their self-defense, creating as robust an international presence for them as you can.
	access to international organizations, you know, relations with other countries.
	Well, this is soft stuff.
	Well, the arming them isn't soft stuff.
	And but the third thing is, you don't have to, you demonstrate the capacity to defend Taiwan.
	Okay, so that's what the Chinese have this exercise that demonstrates we have the global reach.
	put the capabilities this is why like fielding the b1 bomber is so important yeah this is why whatever happened wasn't didn't the bush administration promised these micro subs to taiwan and they never went through on the deal but here's the thing is america i will fight to defend Taiwan.
	And I'll tell you exactly why.
	Because this will be the exact same thing as what happened in the, you know, because when the United States, after World War II, they said we would never fight to defend Korea.
	That was an official decision.
	Everybody said, yeah, that's right.
	We don't care about Korea and everything else.
	That morning, Truman woke up and he found out Korea was debated.
	The first thing he said was go defend Korea.
	And why?
	Because he knew it was the end of his presidency.
	If he did not defend Korea, because he's the guy that had lost China.
	Yeah.
	Biden has been hammered so many times.
	He's on everything.
	This president, Joe Biden, I swear to God, if China attacked, he would have to wake up the next morning and say, by God, we're going to defend Taiwan.
	Right.
	We're going to talk about everything that our friends and allies are recoiling from in the last 11 months with the man who is national security and foreign policy for the conservative mothership, Jim Carrafano here.
	on America First.
	The End
	Alright, mic's back on.
	Well, that last one was worth it.
	That was great, that was great.
	Oh yes, let's go Brandon.
	We should have that, we should have it like, oh yes, let's go Brandon.
	That was good.
	That was great.
	Can you believe that?
	It's alright, it's two cents down, that's okay.
	Can you believe that?
	These guys are nuts.
	They have the most.
	It's always fun watching a dumpster fire until it's this far to your house.
	Is that Sun Tzu?
	I think that's Sun Tzu.
	Dumpster fires are fun, except when they burn your house down.
	I'm gonna tweet that right now.
	Unless it's your dumpster.
	You should.
	Somebody should do a funny version of Sun Tzu.
	Oh, there's some good funny Sun Tzu quotes out there.
	Somebody should do a book.
	Sun Tzu by Biden.
	Sun Tzu for the mean age.
	I completely missed that in the article.
	One who stays in his basement becomes the president.
	I missed that Sonnet of the Lambs thing in that video.
	Yeah, it's creepy.
	I didn't catch that.
	The Chinese claim that they're more democratic than America.
	And the Economist ran it?
	Well, they ran it to discuss it.
	Oh, as an analysis.
	Yeah, but this is the Chinese line, the American democracy.
	China's more, you know, more democratic.
	Yes, of course they are, especially when tennis players disappear because they accuse somebody of sexual assault.
	That's so democratic.
	That's great.
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	Join the Heritage Foundation today at heritage.org.
	You've got to share with, I'm sorry, our listeners need to know, you are an amazingly vested, active individual.
	You travel the globe.
	You meet with our allies.
	What are you experiencing in the first 11 months of the Biden administration?
	Who's coming to talk to you off the record?
	I know.
	It is really interesting because, you know, I've been in Heritage a really long time, so I've been in the Republican administrations, Democratic, and here's what happens, right?
	When a new, not that we're partisan because we're not, right?
	When a new Democratic administration comes in, very few people want to talk to us.
	Perfectly understandable.
	They want to talk to the new guys.
	They go to Brookings!
	Yeah, maybe.
	They want to understand them, they want to engage with the administration, and then Then, you know, later they come talk to you.
	So honestly, the first two years of the Obama, like, nobody came calling.
	I mean, I think as we got into the particularly into the second term, people said, OK, this is not good.
	Foreign policy is not going well.
	You know, there's got to be something better.
	And then people started engaging with us.
	But what's interesting is we are not even a full year into the Biden administration and people are standing in line in front of my door to come and talk to Heritage.
	And ask you, what's going on?
	They either want to know what is this administration think it's doing because it looks disastrous or nobody's answering our phone or nobody's telling us anything.
	Meaning the administration's not talking to our friends and allies.
	They're not making decisions.
	We don't understand what they're doing.
	And then, and I believe the people saying, and what comes after this?
	No, I don't mean that.
	I mean, what comes after this?
	I mean, are you guys going to ever have a sensible government again?
	And is that sensible government ever going to do sensible things?
	So, no names, no pack drills as to, you know, which representatives you're meeting, but what do you tell them?
	Well, first of all, I, you know, a couple of things, you know, and look, I don't like bashing this administration, but their foreign policy is Reflexive.
	It is reactive.
	They don't want to do foreign policy.
	They're not interested in foreign policy.
	They really are isolationists in the sense that they just want to ignore what the rest of the world is doing.
	They want to focus on domestic politics, and they're really only interested in foreign policy insofar as it reinforces their domestic agenda.
	So they love to talk about climate change, gender issues, all that.
	But they just want foreign policy to go away.
	Or to placate people who are cool.
	And they've got a left wing party, of course, who wants to embrace the Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood and China and everybody else.
	So I don't see how they get better.
	I'm just I just be honest with you.
	I don't see how they get better.
	I don't see a person amongst the cabinet members who could like step up to the plate in a reshuffle.
	I just don't see it.
	No, no, there isn't there because it's a very weak.
	The most influential person is probably John Kerry.
	He was a peer of Biden.
	Biden respects Kerry.
	But he's no foreign policy mastermind.
	Yes, he is, because what Kerry is saying is the most important things are climate change and the Iran deal, right?
	And so Kerry is... Oh, you mean in that sense, he's providing a focal point?
	We have to be soft on the Russians because we need their help on the Iran deal.
	We have to be soft on the Chinese because we need their help on climate change.
	And, you know, there are a bunch of basically second order, you know, Obama people just doing what old Obama people will do.
	Here's what I say.
	Is there an alternative?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if there is a powerful Republican majority in Congress, they can't turn foreign policy in a different direction, but they certainly can hold a president more accountable.
	So that's a good thing.
	So the midterm.
	Then, you know, I think if you look at the conservative movement, it is actually way more cohesive.
	than the other side.
	Are there isolationists?
	Sure.
	Are there internationalists and globalists?
	Yeah, fine.
	But the bulk of conservatives and the bulk of the leaders of the conservative movement are peace through strength, whether they know it or not, describe it that way or not.
	And they don't want an Iran deal.
	And it was and it was Donald Trump that did that.
	Donald Trump made it okay to be a peace through strength.
	Yeah, he brought he brought it back.
	And we're so excited.
	It's a it's a bright new future, especially with a new leadership and heritage.
	Follow this guy, JJ Carapano.
	Well, quickly the name of the new book.
	It's the military strength.
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	Go there right now, the indexofmilitarystrengthheritage.org.
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	CAR believes Americans shouldn't be afraid to publicly stand up for our freedoms.
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	CAR wants America First listeners to know that they are not afraid to publicly support second amendment friday check out their amazing line of weapons i carry a nine millimeter car go to kahr.com that's kahr.com it is a special second amendment segment today because we've got one of our very good friends in the swamp and he's in studio he is the man he is the
	DPM-clad master of the universe behind the Military Arms Channel, Tim Harmsen in studio, and he's brought a guest with himself.
	Please introduce your guest, Tim.
	This is Travis White, and he represents FRAC, which is, as you mentioned, an ATF watchdog group.
	We need that!
	We do.
	Through regulatory actions, the ATF is completely unhinged, and they're doing several things, and one of the reasons we're in town is to talk to representatives.
	We've met with over 50-some representatives and staffers in the last two days, and we're making them aware of the brace issue and what's coming up.
	And so, Travis, can you mention a little bit about what... Absolutely.
	Thank you, Tim, and thank you, Sebastian, for having me on.
	So, FRAC was formed back in late 2020 as, like you said, a watchdog for ATF specifically.
	So, FRAC means Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition.
	So, it was put together by industry leaders coming out of 2020.
	So, late 2020 and we really took off in 2021.
	Because why?
	Because they tried to make braces illegal?
	Was that a trigger for you guys?
	That was one of the main things we looked at, but overall... After what, 6 million sold legally?
	How many?
	10 to 40.
	And that's according to the government.
	Those are their numbers, not ours.
	Guys, if you're not familiar with this...
	The brace is a thing you put on a pistol to make it easier to shoot, especially if you're injured.
	This was invented by somebody for a veteran to make it easier for him to enjoy his hobby.
	Totally made permissible by the regulations.
	ADF signs off.
	Tens of millions sold, probably.
	Tens of millions.
	Over about a decade.
	Over about a decade.
	And then suddenly ADF says, oh no, this is illegal.
	And by the way, it's not only illegal, you have to surrender, destroy your property, or pay a $200 tax assuming you live in a state where that's even allowed.
	Just utterly capricious decision.
	Absolutely, absolutely.
	And, you know, with FRAC being formed to hold them accountable on this, we're hoping this is something that not only this issue, but we need to put the ATF in check across the board.
	They are totally out of control.
	Give us the update, because for most people who just hunt or plink or collectors, the ADF doesn't really come up on their radar screen.
	I love short barrel rifles, SPSs, suppressors, so if you're into that kind of thing, you've got to know the ATF.
	You've got to know just how mind-numbingly absurd their regulations are.
	Like, you've legally paid, been fingerprinted to buy something that's restricted, but you're not allowed to take it across state lines.
	Without permission.
	Without permission, right, which could take months, okay?
	A year or so.
	So talk to us about how bad is the ATF right now and how afraid should legal gun owners be?
	I mean, they are now at a point, I guess we are at a point in American history where unchained regulatory bodies will entirely bypass Congress to ban, and I don't mean one or two, to 10 to 40 million firearms and have them placed into an illegal status, which, as you know, will encompass potential confiscation.
	No congressional action required.
	They just do it.
	So what is the defense mechanism?
	What is the strategy?
	What are FRAC and what are decent law-abiding citizens able to do?
	So, FRAC is actively looking to put congressional attention on this.
	Unfortunately, as you know, we don't control either House of Congress nor the presidency, so a legislative resolution is obviously unlikely, so it will go to judicial action if necessary.
	Tim, you've been a real champion for these issues.
	Talk to us about the role of the industry, because there's a handful of companies, even small ones.
	Like, I love the guys at Q. I just visited their company in New Hampshire.
	Then you've got SB Tactical that monsters in this field.
	Tell us about the threat, not just to individual gun owners.
	But to businesses?
	Yeah, so by the government's own estimations, again, 10 to 40 million firearms would be affected by this.
	Real change, but this also has an impact across the industry.
	And in conversations with Mitch McConnell, the number was floated.
	I'm just trying to come up with some numbers.
	This is from the industry side.
	About $2 billion in damage to the industry and 1,600 plus jobs lost.
	And so this would be, by Mitch McConnell's own words, this would be the largest gun confiscation registration scheme in American history.
	And that's from Mitch McConnell, not us.
	Did you get to meet him?
	Not on this trip, no.
	Tell us, without giving any names away, what kind of response are you getting from lawmakers or their staff?
	Are they willing to help?
	Do they understand what's going on?
	Yeah.
	So we have tremendous, I would say, support from Republican officials.
	But enough?
	Unfortunately, with the House and Senate both being controlled by the Democrats, I think the feeling I got across the board was that there's nothing they can do, but they see the magnitude of this and what's coming.
	Tim?
	Well, I think there's certain things that were proposed, actually, by some of the legislators that could be done, but until something happens and there's a change of power within the halls of Congress, We're just kind of at the mercy of this administration and their whims.
	So what is your message?
	We've got 3 million listeners from California to New York, North and South.
	What do you say to those who may have bought an NRA membership 10 years ago but aren't engaged in these issues?
	It's real simple.
	Contact your representatives.
	They do care.
	I mean, we just met with them.
	And they will tell you, the staffers will tell you, when those phones light up.
	It's important!
	It is, because they scurry.
	They have to answer those phone calls.
	Emails are less effective.
	Phone calls are extremely effective.
	And if you buy a firearm and you're part of the Second Amendment community, that comes with political baggage.
	You really need to become something of an activist, at least in an email.
	Please, at least make phone calls to your representatives.
	They do care.
	We're going to keep these guys over for one more segment.
	They've been very patient.
	They've been waiting here in the green room.
	And Mac doesn't get to the swamp, or Tim doesn't get to the swamp too regularly.
	But I want to send a very simple message to everybody out there.
	You're the base.
	You believe in America First.
	That's why you're tuning into a show that's called America First.
	When people say, I don't do politics, wrong.
	You don't have a choice.
	Because the other side made everything politics.
	From which restroom a girl can feel safe in, to whether or not you keep the firearm you legally purchased yesterday.
	It's all political.
	You don't have a choice.
	Get engaged.
	We'll talk about more about how you can do that.
	But first, go to frackaction.org and follow Tim on his amazing site, Military Arms Channel on YouTube.
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	Mic's on. - Yeah.
	I mentioned the YouTube channel, but is there anything else I should mention, since they're such bastards?
	Are there other platforms you use?
	Instagram and YouTube, primarily.
	Okay.
	It's Military Arms Channel on Instagram as well.
	Okay.
	You don't do this regularly, right?
	I don't have a ball cap on.
	I'm in a suit.
	You'll never see this.
	This is it.
	This is it.
	Like Santa Claus once a year.
	Yep.
	Once a year.
	Okay.
	I just love that you've made DPM cool again, because you know, that's my favorite.
	That's what I grew up in, in the British Army.
	I have a thing for British smocks.
	Me too.
	I actually wore one.
	I just didn't wear it tonight.
	They have like eight of them.
	It's embarrassing.
	All different.
	I've got Swedish M90.
	I've got my old desert ones.
	I've got everything.
	But the fabric is so much nicer.
	Yeah.
	My people, why do you wear that?
	Feel the fabric.
	Oh, wow.
	Have you used the Arctic, uh, Arctis ones?
	I love the Arctis ones.
	It's so hard.
	British company.
	I haven't tried them, but it's so hard to find something that fits me.
	Yeah, but they have the NATO long.
	They have the long size.
	Yeah.
	Just hard to find.
	Yeah.
	That's how... ...of yourselves.
	...of yourselves.
	Thank you.
	This is America First with Sebastian Gorka.
	Okay, guys, did you listen to our exclusive Salem interview with Carl Rittenhouse?
	Kudos to Charlie Kirk.
	We played the whole hour yesterday.
	If you missed it, shame on you.
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	Go to our podcast, listen to it.
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	It is a real peek behind the scenes of who that young man is and what happened in that trial and his future.
	So don't forget my podcast the third hour yesterday and you will find the truth about what happened to Kyle.
	I want to talk.
	We've still got in studio Travis White of the Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition, and we've got the man behind the Military Arms Channel, one of the best YouTube Second Amendment channels out there.
	Your last video is fascinating.
	I just watched it yesterday.
	The footage of Kyle in Kenosha.
	I've been shooting since I could pick up a gun.
	I was trained by the British Army.
	But that 17-year-old kid, he did stuff I couldn't do.
	He fell on his ass.
	Somebody was about to brain him with a skateboard.
	He looks at his chamber, sees that it's not closed, uses the forward assist and gets his AR back into action.
	How impressive was that?
	So, when I learned of this, it was through the Tucker Carlson.
	Yeah, and I was simply blown away, so I went back and watched the video.
	It happened so quickly that you don't even see it happen at all.
	Now, of course, the video footage is rather grainy, but still, the time span, you don't see it happen.
	And so, based upon that interview, I did a whole video segment regarding the forward assist, because it's actually a controversial issue within the AR community.
	Is it necessary?
	Is it not?
	In this instance, it worked, and it kept his firearm running.
	In this instant, it works.
	The Ford Assist on the AR.
	The most popular rifle in America outside of the 10-22 is still a controversial issue.
	Watch the video to get Tim's take on why he's still not a fan despite Kyle's use of it.
	It is a good explanation.
	Look for Military Arms Channel on YouTube.
	Follow him on Instagram.
	Last thing, we've got 90 seconds left.
	What, how can people get engaged?
	What are the organizations they have to join in addition to frackaction.org?
	Let's start with you.
	Well, I'd say the first thing, go to our website.
	We've got our pretty massive public comment we filed in response to the rule.
	SB Tactical filed it in conjunction with us.
	They're on our board.
	So check out the website.
	Hit us up on Twitter.
	And call your congressman.
	Alright, that's frackaction.org.
	Tim, what should American gun owners be joining and doing?
	Gun owners of America.
	We met with them this evening.
	Had dinner with them.
	And gun owners of America, 40 years old and zero compromise.
	So, I support them.
	Good.
	Fabulous.
	Guys, as I said, it's all political.
	Get engaged.
	It is the civil right that makes all the other civil rights possible.
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	just a week ago.
	And I want to remind people of the wisdom of that great American.
	I think you have great disappointment in the Clinton presidency on the left and disappointment in the Obama presidency.
	The hard left wants to change America into a radically different country.
	And they were tired of dealing with people who kept compromising.
	And so they somehow have managed to drive Biden into being the vehicle for genuine, deep radicalism.
	I point out to people, when Sanders brought forth a $3 trillion bill in August, There was not a single moderate Democrat in the House or the Senate.
	Every single Democrat in both the House and Senate voted for Sanders' big government socialist bill.
	So if I say to somebody, you're clearly a big government socialist, because on this date in the congressional record, it says you voted for this.
	That's not attacking them.
	That's simply reporting factually what they did.
	And I think you have to recognize these people have Very much in favor of big government, willing to use the power of the state to coerce people into things they don't believe in.
	A perfect description of what the Democrat Party has become.
	Not the Democrat Party of your father or grandfather, but a group of radicalized people who hate America.
	What do we do about it?
	Let's talk to a man who's fought the good fight.
	He stepped in the arena.
	Welcome today to one-on-one to former Congressman Dave Brat, Dean of the Business School at Liberty University.
	Great to be on with you, Zeb.
	Thanks for having me.
	So let's start with that.
	I'm sure you agree.
	Newt is one of the greatest political minds out there.
	You've fought as a congressman.
	You won a seat you weren't supposed to win.
	But today's Democrat Party, it's just radicals, isn't it, Dave?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I think Newt had the right solution.
	Our conference, right?
	People may not even know what that is.
	When all the Republicans get together once a week, we meet in conference.
	And our strategy back when I was there, and I think it's been the strategy for a couple of decades, is you just let everyone run their own race.
	So you've got the entire, you know, national intelligence agencies coupled up with big media, now teamed up with big technology.
	All the donors are on the left.
	And a single congressman with a megaphone is supposed to compete against that one on, you know, infinity.
	And it doesn't work.
	And that's why we lose.
	We do not have a team voice.
	And so our speaker, of the House needs to get a new contract that we all believe in, that hits over 51 percent.
	That's Newt's genius.
	And it's got to solve the problems of America.
	It's not just to win elections.
	It's got to solve problems, getting rid of this 45 trillion in debt.
	Everybody knows what the problems are, right?
	The border and just chaos across the country right now.
	But we need to speak with one voice and we need a leader.
	Newt was a leader.
	And we need a leader who will speak with one voice and unite us.
	And even with that, it's an uphill fight against the press and all the forces I just mentioned, but that's what we got to do.
	All right, so you had an amazing event recently with Speaker Gingrich.
	I was honored to be present at your conference for a new contract with America that you held at the Museum of the Bible.
	We'll talk about all of that and the findings and why you did it, but first, For those who aren't from Virginia, for those who don't know who Dave Brown is or what you did politically, which was such an upset, please share with our millions of listeners across the nation and also our viewers your story, where you hail from, what you have done for a living and why you decided a few years ago to do that crazy thing and run for Congress.
	Yeah, thanks for asking.
	Very few people ask and it is a fascinating.
	So I'm from the Midwest originally, worked in business and then went to Princeton Seminary.
	And while I was there, I got the economic piece of interest, went and do a PhD in economics at American and then taught economics for a long time.
	And I worked for the head of Senate Finance in the Virginia Senate and learned, I loved, I just did that all volunteer for seven years.
	That's a nice biblical number, by the way.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	And so I did my seven year duty.
	He said, you want to run for my seat someday?
	I said, sure.
	And I'd be honored to do that someday.
	I wouldn't any hurry or anything.
	And then I ran.
	Machine said, no, you can't run.
	I was like, I wasn't familiar with that Democratic concept.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Who said what is this machine you speak of, Dean Brant?
	Yeah, well, that was the Eric Cantor machine that ran Virginia along with the Blue Bloods, who were supposedly the leaders of the Commonwealth.
	Those leaders are hiding under their desks now when they're rioting in the streets of Richmond lately, but that's beside the point.
	That's just to make myself sound good.
	Then I ran for a delegate slot.
	Lower slot, didn't care, just wanted to be a public servant.
	And they put a young man in there, you know, the billionaires, and they arranged so there was no election.
	Four people voted.
	And so I said, who's in charge of this thing?
	And they said, probably Eric Cantor and the machine.
	I said, well, I don't like this.
	I didn't know Eric.
	It wasn't anything personal.
	I don't like this machine.
	It's nothing I learned growing up in the Midwest.
	I said, I'm going to run.
	And I started making phone calls and called donors.
	And they said, hello, is this Don Quixote?
	And I was like, no, Dave Brat, liberal arts professor, you know, Ashland, Virginia, seminary economics, Milton Friedman, Jesus, Sermon on the Mount, Golden Rule, all that kind of stuff.
	I think we should live based on that and run a government based on that.
	And people don't believe in ideals or ideas anymore.
	It's just shocking.
	It's all money and my personal interests and whatever.
	But, you know, I ran and my bet and intuition the whole way along was it's just, it's me.
	No one else would challenge the guy who's going to be the next speaker, right, if you're in the apparatus.
	Right, so people forget Eric Cantor's significance in the Republican Party.
	This was, you know, the anointed one.
	He was the, you know, the proto-Paul Ryan or what have you.
	And nobody challenges the anointed establishment figure.
	So what happened, Dave?
	Well, I don't know.
	I guess, uh, you know, a prophet went out to wilderness and found a young son who was out guarding a sheep or something and pulled me and anointed me somehow.
	I do believe it was a God thing, but I ran.
	Uh, you know, and he spent, you know, five million.
	I spent 150,000, I think, you know, all these stories were out.
	I got, I was the butt of all jokes for months.
	I didn't really care.
	I was having fun with it.
	And, uh, we ended up winning and, uh, Hang on, hang on, I need that reiterated.
	So Eric Cantor, in his campaign in Virginia, spent $5 million to get re-elected and you spent less than $200,000 and you defeated him?
	Yeah, no, it was something.
	I had the Tea Party win behind me, but then I also, to double down, I ran on the Republican creed to make sure that people understood I wasn't a renegade.
	And I said, there's nothing wrong with the Republican creed.
	The only problem is no one follows it.
	And so I ran against him and he ran 5 million in ads with me as a stick figure with a professor dunce hat on and call me a liberal professor.
	And, uh, most of the folks knew, you know, I, I was a nice guy, liberal arts professor, liberal arts, right?
	So I think they're playing on that one a little bit, but people knew I wasn't a liberal professor.
	So it, it eventually caught up.
	And so, and, I kind of trusted the people, right?
	In quiet, in the privacy of that voting booth.
	I want the first hundred people in that phone book vote for me versus him.
	And that was my bet.
	And I won the bet on that day.
	And then you entered the machine.
	You became a congressman.
	Was it as distasteful as you expected once you saw the inside of the Sausage Factory, Dean Bratt?
	Oh, yeah, no, it was it was way worse than you can imagine.
	And the irony is that it wasn't bad on the on the people front.
	I thought all the senior guys were gonna hate my guts and whatever.
	And they, they were extremely nice to me, US senators would come up from all over and hey, Dave, how you doing?
	Proud, proud of your win, all this kind of thing.
	The senior guys in the house were all very nice to me, personable.
	But that has nothing to do with how the machine works.
	It's not personal at all.
	Paul Ryan was a nice guy to me personally.
	But when it comes down to the numbers, I was on the budget committee.
	And the first day of the year, you always start the budget committee meetings.
	And they tell you, hey guys and gals, here's your number.
	Come back in six months.
	Have fun talking about it.
	But in six months, this is your number.
	This is the answer.
	And me and one of my colleagues from Alabama, I'm going to blank on his name right now.
	I'm sorry about that.
	But we found $40 billion we were paying to dead people.
	So we go to Paul Ryan and say, hey, Paul, can we put this $40 billion, which is a teaspoon, toward the debt deficit this year?
	And he says, let me check.
	And we're like, he's the speaker.
	He doesn't have to check, does he?
	So he goes and checks.
	And the answer is no.
	And that taught me all I needed to know about how the budget process works.
	That money, the revenues are already in.
	The books are already cooked.
	The swamp exists on both sides of the aisle.
	We're going to dissect it further.
	We're talking to Virginia's former 7th district representative in the house.
	He's now the dean of the business school at Liberty University.
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	Okay, so Dave, you said something really weird when we started our discussion.
	You talked about being an economics professor in your studies and then you mentioned Jesus.
	So let's unpack that a little bit.
	I think it's fabulous.
	I love the Museum of the Bible.
	If you haven't been there, It is one of the best-kept secrets in America, sadly.
	An amazing building, an amazing museum.
	You held your event with Newt Gingrich at the Museum of the Bible to discuss a new business contract with America.
	But let's stop a second.
	Let's draw back and let's talk about, in the mold of the great late Michael Novak, talk to us about what real markets are, what free enterprise is, and the role of morality in all of this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, I can go on all day.
	I know you can, but let's just start by introducing the concept of, you know, free market isn't Gordon Gekko.
	Talk to us about what capitalism really is.
	Yep, yep.
	The supply curve and the demand curve are both curves that involve human beings who are both fallen, but also made the image of God, right?
	The creation story right out of the gate.
	We're created as co-creators with God Almighty, made in God's image.
	Just something to think about, what that means.
	Go YouTube that one.
	And so we have that creative ability to create jobs and commerce to serve our neighbors, our brothers and our sisters.
	The Hebrews were great business folks.
	Then the tradition continues with Jesus and the New Testament.
	And the outwork of that, Jesus begins with a band of 12 around him.
	To go out and preach the gospel to the ends of the earth and in 300 years the Holy Roman Empire and Constantine Constantine turns emperor of the Holy Roman Empire the Christian Empire So just you know shocking turnaround and so what what people don't get is that tradition that Judeo-christian Tradition is responsible for our dignity as human beings.
	There's no other source that you can name the Enlightenment Project failed terribly on that Jefferson and They could never name an alternative source for the dignity that is inherent in us.
	And so that is what undergirds the free market system.
	And then we were triply blessed with that, plus James Madison and the Constitution and the rule of law, and then Adam Smith and free markets.
	But the irony is you need the law to be a free people.
	And so the left gets utopian at times and they just say, you know, let's just make it up as we go.
	Marx, there's no need for God.
	There's no need for this rule of law.
	There's no need for human rights.
	All these ideas that exist in the air are fake.
	No, they're not fake.
	They're responsible for the greatest civilization on earth.
	And it's our detriment that we lose those foundational pieces that set up the free market system that now serves us so well.
	And where did we lose our way?
	Where did conventional wisdom get so distorted?
	And how did the left so succeed in saying to the world and selling this narrative that conservatives are the ones without compassion and capitalism is evil despite the fact that capitalism is the ideology that has raised more people out of poverty than any other system known to man.
	So can you talk for us Take your economist hat off for a moment and talk for us a little bit as the historian.
	How did this happen?
	How did we get this twisted, obverse reality?
	Yeah, easiest, most symbolic story is probably Harvard University, founded by roughly Calvinist Protestants.
	1640, the mission statement is truth, veritas, for Christ and church.
	Harvard University found a bunch of ministers, Founded for the clergy, and the motto and mission statement is truth for Christ and the church.
	That is no longer Harvard's motto.
	Instead, you might want to check out Marsden, George Marsden's book, The Soul of the American University, Marsden.
	And the subtitle says it all, from Protestant establishment to established non-belief.
	We gave over Harvard to Yale, Princeton, I went to Princeton Seminary.
	We gave the universities over to the secular realm with a kind of a gentleman's agreement way back when, and we said at least continue to teach Aristotle, right?
	The Christians and Jewish brothers and sisters and the Muslims in 1300 all agreed that we could use Aristotle and human reason to reach, you know, broadly political consensus on that realm, not the metaphysical, but the political and the social.
	And we could use reason to make progress.
	And that has all been left in the dust.
	Right now at Harvard and Yale and Princeton, you got deconstruction of everything, deconstruction of philosophy, deconstruction of human rights all along, special boxes of where you belong in the universe based on race and gender and all sorts of nonsense. - Well, let me just emphasize this.
	I spent a year at Harvard as a fellow, and I thought it was very cool.
	It has a very simple logo.
	It has the shield, and it has the word Veritas.
	It has the Latin word truth.
	What these institutions teach today is the denial of objective truth.
	Correct, Dave?
	Correct.
	No, ask them for a definition.
	And for the deep readers and thinkers out there, go look up Logical Positivism, right?
	About 1900, School of Philosophy.
	It's back, you know, Bertrand Russell and Wittgenstein, but it was Karl Popper was the main guy.
	And they tried to get rid of God language, right?
	They said, you know, knowledge only comes from the sense perceptions.
	And they were going to try to define a philosophical language which grounded a word with a tangible Meaning from sense perception.
	And so they said, God, you know, there's no, we have no sense perception of God.
	So God is not real.
	But then they were logically consistent, by the way.
	Then they realized that neither of them, none of them had ever seen a science, right?
	If you ever touched one or seen one, let me know what it looks like.
	Neither had they seen a hypothesis or any of the methodological terms you need to do science.
	And so, and you said, where did it all start?
	Well, there's the implosion in philosophy.
	Nothing has replaced that on the left as a positive philosophy.
	So instead, you get just destruction, right?
	Deconstruction, Marxism, etc., as the replacement for the Judeo-Christian tradition, morality of the West.
	We see no serious thought in the modern university.
	It's very embarrassing.
	Except at Liberty University and a few others.
	And a handful of others like Hillsdale and Grove City.
	God bless you and everybody at Liberty for doing what you're doing.
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	So, OK, let's drill down on what you've been doing recently.
	So, as I mentioned at the beginning, I played that cut from you because you invited Speaker Gingrich to this new business contract with America event at the Museum of the Bible.
	Why did you hold that?
	If you can share with our listeners, what was the take home and what are the chances, given what we've seen lately, Dave?
	The mama bears at the school board meetings, the reaction to insane things like the Rittenhouse trial.
	Do we have a fertile ground now for these kinds of ideas?
	So tell us about your recent event.
	Yeah, I mean, so there's always a tension in trying to put all of reality down into 10 propositions for a new business contract with America.
	Newt comes in, Newt's incredibly aspirational.
	And so we framed it.
	We had 13 or 14 propositions.
	He came in and destroyed all of it.
	That first half an hour was a tough half an hour, wasn't it Dave?
	Right.
	It was a beautiful thing because I was like going, wow, this guy is a genius.
	And he liked, you know, the rational propositions.
	But he said, look, he says, you got to first sell this thing, right?
	People got to enjoy the first sentence they hear.
	It's got to be about why we're doing this to produce happiness for your family.
	So that you can cohere, so that you can have a fruitful business, so that we can have a happy society again.
	He used this phrase, what was it?
	Joyful persistence.
	Joyful persistence.
	I'm the wrong person to sell this, but he said one of his secret weapons when he was Speaker is that whenever he was proposing something in the room, He would always do it joyously.
	Why?
	Because people just get ground down by it.
	When you are happy about your ideas, sooner or later, you're just going to win.
	If you go in there and just kind of get all pugilistic from the get-go, it's a little bit harder.
	So it seemed to work for him back in the 90s, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know.
	And I don't want to tell the secrets behind the scenes, but I'm sure the speaker could knock a couple heads together when he had to as well.
	But he came in and he gave us the, you know, let's go over the median into the 60-70% of people we need to form a coalition that's huge and gave us great ideas.
	Then a few of us pushed back a little and said, hey, that's all super, but some folks in this room, it's existential, right?
	We got business people going out of business right now.
	And we're going to use your language, the framework, the moral framework.
	He said put the first three propositions in a moral framework, so we did that.
	But we need to hear some, you know, demarcation lines of what is not acceptable going forward too, right?
	Adherence to the Constitution, the rule of law, freedom, not canceling people.
	And so, you know, and he said all that.
	He included all that, but the way he did it was brilliant.
	We reformulated and came out.
	We're shooting that around to a bunch of thought leaders and the first hundred people in a phone book who we trust more than the swamp.
	And getting their input and we'll come up with a great product and hopefully it helps shape things to come.
	Do you think that America's ready?
	I mean, clearly after the disaster of COVID and the 44 million people made unemployed in the tens of thousands of businesses shuttered, we need a business contract with America.
	But what about a broader revisiting?
	I wish we were 20 years younger.
	Isn't it time for a new contract with all Americans as well, Dave?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, that's, you know, eventually there'll come a time where, you know, this, this set of ideas gets into the Freedom Caucus and then hopefully spills into the conference and then spills into leadership discussions.
	And, you know, other people are working on contracts too at the same time.
	And so, but we absolutely have to have this.
	The left goes in lockstep, right?
	I mean, it's just the pressure they put on their people is just tremendous.
	And I don't really like that.
	I mean, you're supposed to represent your constituents.
	And so there should be some freedom, but within a guiding set of principles.
	And I think that's what you got to put down on paper is, hey, here's how our principles are demarcated from the opposing team, who doesn't have a deep spiritual, religious, metaphysical grounding of any of these principles.
	So it's an easy sell.
	One of the ultimate ironies of the last Virginia election is, after all this illegal immigration and everything, the greatest irony is the Republicans won the Hispanic vote, largely because of the Catholic work ethic and spirituality they share with conservatives.
	And so it's just, you know, we still believe in the rule of law.
	We want to have a defined border.
	But all of the folks in Central America, they're all made in the image of God.
	There's no debate on that.
	It's just we want to have order and the rule of law in our society.
	And, you know, we'll have an orderly way of welcoming our brothers and sisters.
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	Dave, you were inside the sausage machine, as we say.
	You went from being an academic, a person who understands what it takes to build a vibrant, healthy, transparent economy, and then you became a member of the swamp!
	You became a congressman, or rather, somebody inside the swamp, fighting the swamp creatures.
	Given that perspective, that you've lived, you know, you're a true citizen politician, will you give us your take on the last Five, six years.
	You rode, as you said, on a wave of Tea Party patriotism.
	How do you assess the health of the America First MAGA movement and the effect on the apolitical American of the last 11 months that maybe is starting to wake up?
	So give us Professor Bratt's assessment of what's happened since you left Congress.
	Yeah, so I went in with a huge groundswell underlying us in opposition to Obama's healthcare thing, Obamacare, federalized takeover of another 18% of our economy.
	And then our team gets in power and says, give us the Senate, give us the president.
	So we do, the American people do, and we squandered it.
	And boy, that was just devastating.
	And then, you know, I'm in office and, you know, people weren't supporting Republicans back then.
	It's easier to fight against Obama than to support your own candidate.
	And so I just appealed to everyone out there, keep the energy up.
	Now it appears we're back to that stage and we've learned a lesson and we want people in there that tell the truth.
	And it looks like that fire is spreading nationally.
	And so it's going to be very interesting right now.
	We'll see in a week or two with a debt ceiling increase what the Republicans in the Senate do.
	That'll give us the clearest memo you can get when we hear that.
	But yeah, I think the parents movement up and loud in Virginia is real.
	I don't get overexcited, though, because we had every tailwind behind us, right?
	We had Afghanistan.
	Gas prices, food prices, debt, money, monetary printing like you've never seen, the border crisis, everything.
	And with all that at our back, we still only win the governor by 3%.
	And so you said, you know, what do you make of that middle, that 47%?
	And I'm like, I'm still scratching my head.
	It's just numbing to me what they're waiting to see or hear before they switch allegiances to a more pro-America So, I presume you must be...
	Given what you just said, less than satisfied with the GOP leadership.
	When you look at all the things you just rattled off, then you see how Marjorie Taylor Greene, Paul Gosar, Lauren Boebert are treated, while the other side gets away with having rank anti-Semites like Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar all on their committees.
	Naive question, Dave Brat, as a former GOP congressman.
	When is the GOP going to grow spine?
	Yeah, that's the question, and I'm afraid it's nowhere near now, until the money shifts, right?
	They're very scared of losing corporate America, who they've already lost.
	If they haven't kept track of the Fortune 500, and the CEOs, and ESG investing, and BlackRock, and Larry Fink, the $10 trillion man, and the globalists, and the allegiance of every one of those firms to China first, on paper, in contracts before thinking about their fellow brothers and sisters in America and the labor force we have here.
	We're not there.
	The Republican leadership is nowhere near there.
	And we're going to see this debt ceiling increase.
	If they allow that, there's going to be a mild revolution at the voting boxes in 22.
	And every Republican incumbent that doesn't have their head on straight is going to lose.
	But what is it going to take?
	You talk about the Fortune 500.
	We look at most of the corporations totally in the tank for the left.
	These are companies that are giving millions to Black Lives Matter.
	What is the scenario?
	We've got Matt Gaetz and maybe a handful of others who refuse to accept money from corporate PAC donors.
	Can we have politics That devoid of the massive support of these corporations that now have gone woke, Dave?
	Oh, I think so.
	I mean, we have the numbers, right?
	The American people now, if they're given a signal, right?
	And that signal is not there, right?
	If the Republican leadership said, we are now the middle class party of America, Right.
	We believe in the Judeo-Christian values.
	We believe in a constitutional government, that the rule of law affects everybody or anybody that violates that standard will go to jail.
	We believe in business and want you to prosper.
	And we're going to do everything we can for your kids in the middle class to succeed.
	And you've got to really believe that.
	You've got to say that.
	And if we came out and said that, we would replace the Democrats.
	Right.
	The labor unions.
	The Midwestern states would flip our way by 10% if we had a leader who got up and said that.
	But when they just talk jibber jabber and try to walk the line, the saying in politics, you walk in the middle of the highway, you get hit coming from both sides.
	Boom!
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	I don't think he was too woke.
	He was the exact opposite.
	You know what woke means?
	It means you're a loser.
	Everything woke.
	Everything woke.
	It's true.
	the spectacles of faith out.
	If you don't have faith, if you don't know why you're on the planet, you got to figure that out.
	And don't let the left fool you with their cute little sayings, right?
	They'll say, the first and foremost question for any academic is, why is there something instead of nothing?
	And the lefties, the Hawkins and the It's not a question.
	It's not a serious intellectual question.
	It's the only philosophical question for the last 2,000 years since Socrates.
	What is being is a central question of Western philosophy.
	What is it to be?
	And so the answers are there, right?
	Go back to the Judeo-Christian text, the Hebrew text, the Genesis, Exodus, going up through the Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
	And that's first and foremost.
	We're in a spiritual war.
	About what it means to love.
	Love does not mean the sugar highs and buying a Subaru.
	Love is on a cross and requires sacrifice and discipline, and those words are out right now.
	Then after that, you read the histories of the people who were part of this tradition, right?
	James Madison, the Federalist Papers, Adam Smith.
	Don't read Adam Smith, right?
	Go to Milton Friedman.
	Young people, go watch the YouTubes of Uncle Milton Friedman, man.
	Smartest guy you'll ever see with a smile on his face the whole time, just having a field day with the left and articulating why freedom does matter, as if you need evidence, right?
	Now go ask the people of China right now how they're loving life.
	How's their family?
	How's their government?
	How's their business?
	And then look at the United States if you need some data.
	But I find more great stuff out on YouTube.
	I highly recommend that.
	Get out on YouTube, young people.
	Follow your passion, especially follow technology right now that's running this world.
	We need more good people.
	So you should be aiming for IT, information technology, learning about that.
	And go follow Elon Musk at first or the hype guys that are fun to watch.
	And that'll lead you into deeper stuff, you know, blockchain and cybersecurity and all this stuff that's going to undergird the world you're going to live in.
	And we need your help.
	We need you young people.
	Go into work eating your spinach.
	You can either join the workforce as a barista or take a couple IT courses.
	Come to Liberty, our business school.
	We've got computer science and IT and IS and cyber in the business school.
	We'll set you up for a lifetime where you build the kingdom of God and get a great job and have great friends who are fun to be with every day.
	Those are a few gems I've learned over the years.
	Well that is fabulous.
	Start with the classics of our Judeo-Christian civilization, work your way up to Milton Friedman.
	YouTube, ah yeah, but you know, they're censoring conservatives, but check out people like PragerU and don't forget liberty.edu, rumble.com.
	And anything that comes out of this man's pen or his computer.
	He's Dave Brat.
	He's the Dean of the Business School.
	You've been listening to America First one-on-one.

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