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Aug. 3, 2021 - Sebastian Gorka

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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Will Cuomo go down?

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	First,
	I want you to know directly from me that I never touched anyone inappropriately or made inappropriate sexual advances.
	I.
	I am 63 years old.
	I've lived my entire adult life in public view.
	That is just not who I am.
	And that's not who I have ever been.
	But does he really have a nipple ring?
	Is that true?
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	I am in a...
	Perplexed place!
	I have cognitive dissonance.
	I have a bit of new schizophrenia.
	Why?
	Because I don't want to talk about that man.
	I mean, he's vomitous.
	He's vile.
	Not only has he caused the deaths of at least 12,000 Americans living in his state, he's just putrid.
	He just...
	Do I want to spend a second discussing him?
	Do I have an option?
	I'm here to provide the news and Randy, Andy Cuomo has given a news conference that was, cringe doesn't quite cover it, but he may or may not be in trouble.
	I'm going to get the assistance from my team here to pitch in.
	But first, let's listen to the Attorney General of the state, Letitia James, who I think is a Democrat, so she's going after a fellow Democrat.
	Why?
	Are there ulterior motives?
	Let's hear what she had to say about Randy Andy Cuomo.
	Cut 12!
	The independent investigation has concluded that Governor Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed multiple women and in doing so violated federal and state law.
	Specifically, The investigation found that Governor Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed current and former New York State employees by engaging in unwelcome and non-consensual touching and making numerous offensive comments of a suggestive and sexual nature that created a hostile work environment for women.
	First things first, just on a pure body language, vocal delivery, that woman was faking everything.
	Absolutely.
	That was staged.
	The way she read, she lifted her head, held her head completely stock solid.
	That woman was on a mission to destroy the man.
	I'm not making any excuses because I think Randy Andy should have gone long ago for murder, for homicide, for manslaughter long before any of these accusations but that lady has a political axe to grind and you can tell from her delivery Letitia James isn't talking justice she has a political agenda and also let's Let's ask the question.
	Are we allowed to?
	Are white, cisgender, heterosexual men allowed to even ask the question?
	What is sexual harassment in 2021?
	in 2021.
	In an age where young men and women in their 20s are told you have to get consent at every Yes, at every stage of a sexual encounter.
	Very different from when I was growing up.
	Yes, very, very different.
	In an age where youngsters are petrified by false accusations in the Me Too culture.
	Can you say Duke Lacrosse?
	Can you say lives destroyed on the basis of one false accusation?
	What about Kavanaugh, the serial rapist who drugged young women as a high schooler?
	No, not so fast, my friends.
	So when a 63-year-old pecks somebody on the cheek, Do they need to have written consent?
	If it's an employee, what is and is not permissible?
	And how much has changed?
	And how much is a function of the cancel culture that we live in today?
	I'm not going to make one excuse for this individual, but is politics more important Then really, why this man should be removed from office.
	Let's talk to those who watched that disgusting, vomitous, cringeworthy press conference from Andy Cuomo.
	Let's start with Eric, do you have my back?
	I have your six today as always, and oh boy, oh boy.
	Jeff can attribute- Jeff was probably listening.
	I was laughing hysterically throughout most of that conversation.
	Why were you laughing?
	I need to know.
	Why were you laughing, you cynical young man?
	The part where he literally tries to justify it as, oh no, I've touched many people on the face and kissed many people on the cheek and the forehead.
	It's how I've always- Stop, stop, stop.
	Cut 14.
	Eric, play that cut.
	Indeed, there are hundreds, if not thousands of photos of me using the exact same gesture.
	I do it with everyone.
	Black and white.
	Young and old.
	Straight and LGBTQ.
	Powerful people.
	Friends, strangers, people who I meet on the street.
	Get me a bucket.
	I'm sorry, Andy, that did not make things better.
	That series of photographs of you smooching with Bill Clinton and holding little boys' heads in your hand, not exactly a power move there.
	Eric, is that why you were laughing?
	Essentially, he might as well just come out and said, I don't discriminate.
	I sexually harass all people equally.
	All colors, all ages, all sexes.
	Professor Shad, the Democrat Party is meeting an emergency session in New York right now.
	Does any of this mean anything?
	So he's not walking out on purpose, right?
	He's not going to walk out unless they kick him out.
	There's no way.
	His ego is far too huge, right?
	They would have to literally impeach him in order for any sort of difference to be made.
	He's staying, he's staying.
	And, you know, honestly, I do want to bring attention, though, to when he was making that list, the longest pause was after Young, which... Again, in an age of Biden, not a good move.
	That was a little bit iffy, but I've actually read some of the EG report.
	You know, I've been seeing some clips online, and it's always the same thing rather consistently, right?
	When he makes a habit of this, Right?
	And he universalizes it.
	It's how it is with everybody, but it always ramps up, right?
	Specifically with his young woman staffers.
	Like, there's repeated cases over and over again where it's like, it started with these kisses, it started with these hugs, but then slowly but surely the hands started moving to places where the hands should not be moving to, right?
	And one thing also that he consistently gets brought up in this AG report, he's really self-conscious about the size of his hands.
	Oh no!
	He is?
	He constantly asks people about the size of his hand.
	Little Andy?
	Little Andy, yeah.
	That's very disappointing.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, let's go to the most cynical member of the team.
	Is he more cynical than me?
	He might be.
	His name is Mr. G. Jeff!
	He's going nowhere.
	We just went through this three months ago.
	That lasted for a month.
	There's nothing new here.
	It's just the report.
	It means nothing.
	But hang on, hang on.
	Sleepy Creepy's gonna talk about it in a moment.
	Biden's gonna make a statement, Mr. G. And as we were discussing before, a president of the same party, he really doesn't carry any much of the weight as a normal one would.
	I don't think it matters what Biden says.
	And that the lack of specificity, the lack of any civilian actions by these individuals kind of points in the same direction, right?
	Yeah, I've been trying.
	There's a million different headlines that he violated federal and state laws, numerous ones.
	I'm getting into the meat of it.
	Everything says, uh, story developing, story developing.
	I don't know what laws he broke.
	Incredible.
	Incredible.
	As my good friend Chris Plant says, it's good to be a Democrat.
	Why?
	Because you can literally get away with this stuff.
	Whatever he did, it clearly is a pattern.
	People are uncomfortable.
	Should he be removed from office?
	Yes.
	But not primarily for that.
	He's a creep.
	Of course he's a creep.
	But he should be removed.
	For his decision as governor during the height of the Chinese virus outbreak to send aged New York residents who had tested positive for the coronavirus back to the facilities where they came from I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	that could not care for them, where they died in their thousands.
	That man should be up on at least manslaughter, if not homicide charges.
	More than 12,000 Americans killed because of his decision.
	God bless Janice Dean.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First., I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	Clear, clear, clear, clear, clear.
	Um... Have we got anything back from our contacts?
	Yeah, Zeldin's in reserve duty.
	Okay.
	So... He can't make it.
	Anybody else we can think of?
	What about Galaga?
	Oh yeah, Galaga would be good.
	Reach out to him.
	I don't know what he's up to right now.
	He's probably visiting his son.
	son, his son was in a bad car accident.
	Next up is Solomon.
	Solomon.
	Worms hourly.
	Yeah, I forgot to mention this.
	Yeah.
	The team said yesterday we've also got to drop stuff on Saturday and Sunday, another 40 minutes.
	So we pick a mono and a couple of guests or a guest that we drop audio Saturday and Sunday as well.
	There's got to be daily content.
	Okay.
	Where's Eric?
	We need him to call.
	Yeah, Eric.
	Oh.
	Oh, he's getting the water.
	Go ahead.
	Most of them just don't.
	Don't what?
	Have imaging.
	Maybe like Rogan or whatever.
	Rogan doesn't have imaging.
	Poole doesn't have imaging.
	A lot of the YouTube news channels, I spent a lot of time just on stuff that was started for YouTube video podcasting.
	Mr. Solomon, can you hear us?
	Hey, loud and clear.
	How do I look?
	Good.
	Hang on.
	So we talked Clinton and whistleblowers.
	Absolutely.
	Good.
	I like both of them.
	Excellent.
	Great picture.
	Sorry, carry on, Chad.
	So they don't have any imaging?
	They don't have any imaging, but they use a lot of, like, supplemental stuff, like images, clips, you know, quotes, that sort of thing.
	But there's very little, like, show imaging.
	Right.
	The big thing, though, for us, if we're planning on doing the thing that we described about using Photoshop, is we gotta figure out who's gonna do it.
	Yeah.
	Because, you know, there's a little bit more to it than just, you know, opening up Photoshop and making that happen.
	Probably a guy who's not gonna desert us and go out and leave the swamp.
	What do you think?
	Sure.
	Mr. Solomon, could you maybe move a little bit to your right, please?
	Alright.
	Here's something I've never been asked to do.
	Move to the right.
	You can never move too far to the right.
	Looking good.
	Looking good.
	Okay, good.
	Perfect.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, guys.
	50 seconds.
	50 seconds.
	Yep.
	All right, let's do it in the reverse order.
	Let's do illegals and then Carter Page.
	Yep.
	And I just had Stew be on my podcast a few minutes ago and he said the border crisis is now the biggest American crisis since 9-11.
	Wow.
	Can you say that?
	I can, absolutely.
	And it's one segment because we've got Charlie Kirk in studio, so nine minutes and then you're free.
	Say hi to Charlie for me.
	Will do.
	All right.
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	John Solomon, welcome back to America First!
	Hey Seb, good to be with you.
	All right, so there are fake whistleblowers like Alexandra Don't Call Me Mr. Vindman, and there are real ones.
	You've got a story up on unbelievable reasons why this administration is letting illegal aliens free in America.
	Give us the essentials of this story, please, John.
	Yeah, imagine if this had happened a year ago.
	Whistleblower emerges to Congress, provides prima facie proof that an American president is violating the law, knowingly and willfully violating the law, and even contriving excuses to get around his legal obligations.
	The media would have been aflame.
	Well, that's what happened last night.
	Jim Jordan and other members of Congress sent a letter to Majorca saying a whistleblower inside The border enforcement apparatus inside the government apparatus came forward and said President Biden and his team are knowingly and willfully releasing illegal aliens who were supposed to be deported.
	The law required them to be deported at the last minute as they're getting near deportation.
	According to this whistleblower, they contrive an excuse why they need to let this person go into the interior of the United States instead of Deport them as the law requires.
	The latest excuse, the contrived excuse that this whistleblower told Congress is that they're claiming they're measuring the body mass index, the BMI of people and people who are overweight.
	are being released on the grounds that they are suffering from obesity.
	So they've literally contrived a fat exemption.
	No, no, hang on.
	Hang on.
	I need to repeat this because I am sure that a large chunk of our millions of listeners heard what you said and could not believe it.
	So federal agents are inventing excuses to prevent the deportation.
	Individuals who are here illegally who have been marked for deportation back to their home countries and some of the reasons being manufactured by the Biden administration is they're too fat to deport.
	That's exactly what he said.
	The letter actually says, the whistleblower is actually quoted as saying, these are, quote unquote, absurd exemptions to the law.
	And they went on to say that some of the illegal aliens who've heard about this, right, those who are sitting in there waiting for deportation, are gorging themselves, eating themselves to death, so they can get fat enough to get qualified for the exemption.
	This is the insanity that we've created at the southern border.
	It's a security risk.
	It's also just an extraordinary insult To the American people who expect the laws that were passed by Congress to be enforced.
	Having met with the great people of ICE, CBP, HSI, I know it's not the agents, is there any granularity on who's ordering these absurd exemptions?
	Not yet.
	I've not been able to find out the specifics of what the whistleblower said about who orchestrated the idea.
	But once we do, we'll get back to you and try to break that story.
	But that is a great question.
	We just don't know the answer yet.
	But this letter is in black and white.
	It's pretty clear.
	It's signed by three members of Congress, led by Jim Jordan.
	And it should You know, get the attention of every American.
	This is how far the government has gone.
	People talk about, oh, what's the pyramid bureaucracy?
	It's just nothing.
	It's a figment of an imagination.
	This is what permanent bureaucrats, when they exercise power aside from the law, what they're capable of doing.
	They're able to just disembowel a law and not allow it to be enforced, even though we have tens of thousands of illegal aliens who should be deported right now.
	And you said something in the break to me about the scale of the current emergency, John.
	Yeah.
	So I just talked to Greg Steube, who's in Florida, who's seeing a lot of these illegal aliens after the release settle in Florida, and he said this is the greatest American security crisis since 9-11.
	A GOP congressman from Florida said this border crisis is the largest crisis America has faced since the 9-11 terror attacks.
	Shocking.
	Find out more.
	We're going to post this story on our Twitter and Facebook pages.
	Read it after the show, because now we're talking to John.
	The latest twist.
	Hillary Clinton, Carter Page, give us an update.
	Well, leave it to Liberals and Democrats to come up with a China excuse on why they shouldn't have legal culpability.
	The law firm that Hillary Clinton hired to conduct the Steele dossier, who paid for the Steele dossier, is trying to get out of a lawsuit filed by Carter Page, who was defamed by the dossier.
	We now know that Carter Page wasn't a Russian stooge.
	He was a CIA asset.
	He sued, and the law firm, in trying to fight the lawsuit, is claiming that it is a stateless corporation, meaning it doesn't have a state of residence because three of its partners, starting in 2018, by the way, two years after the Steele dossier was already published, work two years after the Steele dossier was already published, work in China, and therefore it can't be sued under American law because it is a stateless corporation.
	And believe it or not, two courts have now accepted that argument.
	Hang on, this is a bad joke.
	This is a bad, bad, this is a multi-python.
	Is this Perkins Coie?
	Perkins Coie?
	One of the biggest...
	Sleazebag law firms in D.C.
	is saying that they're stateless, John?
	They are.
	And they've gotten a district court and the Seventh Circuit in Chicago, the appeals court, to agree with them.
	Now, the Seventh Circuit said, listen, this is uncharted territory.
	The Supreme Court probably hasn't weighed in.
	We'll see where this goes.
	But imagine that.
	You have three partners that you send to China, in fact, after the Steele dossier.
	And then you claim that because you have three people working in China, you're no longer subject to the tort laws of the United States in federal court.
	What a remarkable claim.
	It's sitting there in black and white and we've given you the court ruling and the filings so you can actually see what Perkins Coie and the judges have ruled.
	It's a remarkable thing.
	If allowed to stand, everybody's going to hire somebody in China real quickly so they can't be sued in federal court.
	Genius.
	Find one person who's stuck in China and then your law firm can never be sued again.
	It's surreal.
	It is bizarro world.
	We're going to post that story as well.
	That's why we have him on every week because he brings you the stories.
	Others won't because they're not real journalists.
	Follow him.
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	Bookmark justthenews.com.
	Check it in the morning.
	Check it in the evening.
	Thank you, John.
	I think.
	This is America First on the Salem Radio Network.
	Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, don't touch that dial because we're gonna have somebody special in studio.
	Yeah, he's in the swamp.
	None other than Charlie Kirk.
	The End
	We'll talk about SAS.
	What else is on your front burner?
	The mandatory vaccine stuff.
	Good, good, good, good.
	We've been really vocal about that.
	Good.
	What about Cuba?
	Yeah, I haven't really been keeping an eye on that as much.
	Okay.
	I mean, I know the general trend lines, but I haven't really been studying it.
	What's the latest out of Cuba?
	I saw you, what did you, I saw you a video yesterday.
	What did I watch you?
	Came up on my Instagram feed.
	About lockdowns?
	It was an older video.
	You're in a suit and tie.
	What was it about?
	It might have been about lockdowns.
	Is that from the latest event in Florida?
	Yeah.
	Oh good, alright.
	Then let's come in with that.
	Jeff sending it to you.
	No, that's enough.
	That's good.
	We're talking about SAS.
	And I'm going to ask you a question.
	Are they really communists?
	The people we're fighting?
	That's a good question.
	Yeah.
	It's a good one.
	Yeah.
	I don't even think they know.
	I think they're a coalition of disparate intellectual groups.
	So it's the mobilization of grievance groups.
	Good, good.
	You enjoying the show?
	Oh, love it.
	You got a great setup here.
	Yeah, it's good.
	This was, I think they built this for Bill Bennett.
	This was Bill Bennett's originally.
	Wow, it's beautiful.
	And then you're constantly ping-ponging.
	Our Phoenix one's nice.
	I think you've been by it, right?
	Well, I've been to your turning point.
	You gotta come by our studio, though.
	Yeah, it's really nice.
	I'm right nearby.
	Everything's growing.
	Everything's good.
	Funding.
	Everything's great.
	Growing like crazy.
	How's married life?
	I love it!
	It's how God wants you to live.
	It is?
	Yeah.
	Pretty thrilled about that.
	It's good.
	What does she think of all your travel?
	She puts up with it, yeah.
	But still, I'm actually probably traveling a little bit less.
	Scaling it down a little bit.
	So, it's good.
	We ready with that cut, Eric?
	Yes, it is 26 seconds long.
	Great.
	Alright, coming directly in with it?
	Yes.
	Is this a 13?
	Or an 8?
	This is gonna be a 7 and a 9.
	You have a different clock.
	7 and a 9.
	You have the Frager clock?
	Is ours the only fixed clock?
	Gallagher also uses a fixed clock.
	We use the same one as you guys.
	Is this your second or third?
	Third.
	Third and fourth.
	Oh, our third is 13.
	Ours is 7.
	I like the 13.
	I love it.
	Yeah, we don't even have a thir- we have an 11 for the A. Oh, no, no, you gotta- you gotta talk to Phil.
	The 13 and the C, you could really make a good argument.
	You save your best stuff for the 13.
	That would be fun.
	Yeah, the seven- the seven minute is a killer.
	Oh, so I have a- we go, um, 11, 5, 13, 5.
	My last segment's three minutes.
	Oh, no, no, it's- yeah.
	Ten seconds, stand by.
	We as conservatives have got to stop playing defense.
	I feel like we are always defending, we're always apologizing.
	The theme of this conference is to play offense.
	We are going to get into an offensive mindset here at this conference that it is time that we stop ceding ground to the left, that we're always arguing on their terms.
	It is time that with a sense of urgency we start to say, here's what we believe and why we believe it.
	By the magic of radio, we're not only going to play you clips from serious events happening in America, we're going to have the guy speaking in studio.
	He's Charlie Kirk, the founder, the president, the CEO of one of the important, most important institutions in America, it's Turning Point USA.
	Welcome to the Swamp, Charlie.
	Thank you, Dr. Gorka, and thanks for letting me use your studio earlier.
	We had a lot of fun.
	Anytime, anytime.
	That was his opening of the Student Action Summit that we held recently in a very hot place.
	You've got to do somewhere cooler next time.
	It was very hot.
	You had a suit and tie on.
	I shocked everybody.
	I gave my speech with no tie.
	I know.
	We changed outfits.
	We swapped.
	We did.
	We did.
	We did a little role reversal there.
	That's right.
	But it was an amazing event.
	Tell our listeners across the nation, what is the Student Action Summit?
	How big was it?
	And what was the message?
	It was 4,000 plus young students.
	You were terrific, by the way.
	And that was just, boy, it's like two weeks ago.
	It feels like months.
	I know.
	Students from all 50 states really gearing up for this next semester of activism.
	And it was an incredible response.
	We had Governor Ron DeSantis there, Ted Cruz was there, Mike Pompeo was there, Donald Trump Jr.
	And it really kind of gives you hope when you see 4,000 students in a room ready to take their country back.
	And that's one of many conferences we've done over the summer.
	We have our Young Women's Leadership Summit that we did, our Chapter Leadership Summit.
	We have a whole campus tour coming up this fall.
	Yeah, Black Leadership Summit coming up this fall.
	Just did our young Latino Leadership Summit.
	So we're not sitting still.
	We have our staff training right now in Phoenix, Arizona, for well over 130 full-time people we have on staff.
	So we've got a country to save.
	I thought you were going to slow down.
	You're a married man now, Charlie Kirk.
	Marriage is how God wants you to live, to reach the highest levels of potential and flourishing.
	So we're finally in a place where we can really hit our inflection point now.
	Follow him now at charliekirk11.
	Support this organization, truly, along with PragerU, Dennis Prager's organization.
	These are the two fighting on the front lines to take America back.
	Expand, if you will, on that message.
	I asked you as I was arriving at the event, what should we be talking about?
	What's the theme?
	You said no more defensive.
	It's about pushing back on the communists, on the socialists.
	How does this translate into the lives of young students and young Americans?
	Yeah, I mean, I'll kind of give you some things I'm rather upset about.
	Why are establishment Republicans negotiating an infrastructure deal with money we don't have to an investment that will be quite honestly not significant or substantial to our nation while they are mandating vaccines for people that don't want them, an experimental vaccine And you have medical apartheid coming to the city of New York right now.
	They are literally saying you can't go to restaurants and theaters.
	Where's our Republican leaders?
	Making any sort of issue with this.
	They're fine that their voters aren't able to go to restaurants.
	I mean, it used to say Irish need not apply.
	Now it's unvaccinated need not apply.
	And so I'm rather upset that our own side, it would be one thing if they were fighting and not advancing anything positive.
	That's fine.
	It's not ideal.
	But they're doing worse than that.
	They're agreeing with the other side and negotiating multi-trillion dollar green energy boondoggles.
	So yeah, this has been a real telling moment, Dr. Gorka, that many on the Republican side are not actually in the business of governing or fulfilling their promise to their voters.
	Doesn't nature abhor a vacuum and sooner or later, if the establishment doesn't do it, Americans will?
	Yeah, I mean, you would think so.
	Again, I kind of go back to this constant complaint I have that the 17th amendment was like one of the worst things ever to happen, which was getting the direct election of senators.
	Almost none of these issues would be happening because the state legislators are actually getting into gear, Dr. Gorka.
	Right.
	They're moving great bills, whether it's election integrity, whether it's and vaccines.
	So it's not like the voters aren't sending a message.
	It's that the 17th Amendment is like this amendment that allowed all this other garbage to happen because the US Senate was supposed to be a reflection of the states.
	We would have like a 64-seat majority in the Senate, and these senators would be tied to these legislators, and if they would step out of line, they would be recalled.
	So yes, this void will be filled, and I'm quite honestly fed up with Republicans using the political power given to them by their voters to betray their own voters.
	To betray their own voters or to do absolutely nothing.
	One of the biggest challenges isn't the left, it is the establishment GOP that still doesn't understand what happened in 2016.
	Next I'm going to ask Charlie Who are we actually fighting?
	What is the best adjective?
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	We are back with the founder, the president of Turning Point USA, just back from his supermercance.
	Student Action Summit.
	I asked him a question before we began our discussion, and he said, that's an interesting one.
	I'm going to do it in front of three million people.
	Charlie Kirk, who are we fighting?
	We've talked about the establishment GOP that seems to be AWOL.
	When it comes to the left, the AOCs, the Biden administration, Kamala, Bernie, BLM, are they communists?
	Are they socialists?
	What are they?
	Yeah, I mean, communist is a fine term.
	There's always been two different types of communists, though, and they've always hated each other, which are the nationalist communists and the internationalist communists.
	The Trotskyites versus the Lenins or the Stalins.
	And I think you're going to see that collision, but I don't think it's as ideological as it used to be.
	I think that they're deconstructionist in nature, that they want to see this entire republic fall apart.
	And truth be dismantled.
	Of course, yeah.
	I mean, once you remove absolute truth, the land of the absurd, they reign exactly what's happening.
	They don't want to have anything that's objectively true or right or real.
	And they only believe there's power dynamics as the way to try to adjudicate differences or to try to organize society.
	So I think you have kind of this coalition.
	Some are more legitimate communist Marxists, some are corporatists that just want power and relevancy.
	I would put kind of Chuck Schumer more in that direction.
	I think he's just more of a just brass knuckle politician that wants to be in control and power and considering how old he is it's just really kind of sinister and dark to think about that.
	Then you've got to have the nihilists that just want to burn everything and really don't.
	Yeah, the Antifa types.
	And then you have the true, legit revolutionaries that think they're going to usher in some sort of utopia, the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortezes.
	They're the ones you really got to watch out for.
	The ones that think they're on the right side of history, they're arguably the most dangerous and the most treacherous.
	And so you kind of build this whole coalition together.
	They're against every single main tenet and idea that has made this country exceptional.
	And whether we describe them as communist or not, I mean, it's a fair term.
	I actually think we should start saying it.
	You mentioned the corporatists like Schumer, the establishment politicians.
	Let's talk about the corporations that every day are becoming more and more woke.
	Isn't there a point in a country where people vote with their pocketbooks, where there will be a wall and people just say, sorry, Netflix, sorry, United Airlines, I'm just not doing it.
	Yeah, there needs to be.
	I mean, the problem, Dr. Gorka, is I flew from Chicago this morning.
	I didn't have many options.
	Right?
	To get here when I needed to get there from the markets I was flying to.
	You know, there's not as many options as we'd like to believe.
	So, and airlines are a great example, right?
	Because it's so cost prohibitive to get into an airline.
	It's so capital intensive.
	And they're so reliant on government to either subsidize them, bail them out, and they're really heavily regulated.
	So if that's the case, these companies shouldn't be allowed then to intervene on partisan politics.
	They should be like Amtrak.
	Okay, you're super inefficient.
	You're not allowed to intervene.
	I'm not saying nationalize the airlines.
	I'm saying, you know what, United Airlines, you get a multi-billion dollar bailout from the federal government.
	You can't all of a sudden say the Georgia voting law is racist.
	Sorry, Delta.
	That's the new line.
	But the other thing is, yes, for the front-facing consumer companies where there's a lot of choice, that's really where we as conservatives need to focus our attention.
	Do you believe in boycotts?
	Of course I do.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I believe it's well past time that we start to implore a lot of the tactics that they've used against us.
	People say, oh, I don't like boycotts.
	Well, why?
	You're going to go fund an organization that funds Planned Parenthood?
	Fund your enemies?
	Why would you do that?
	When it comes to funding your enemies, you started a movement before COVID.
	How important is it that Americans who love this country don't fund their alma maters?
	I mean, this is called DivestU, which is a whole program from Turning Point USA, and it's very important.
	I mean, what we're trying to do at Turning Point USA is to try to get donors to withhold their dollars and their resources permanently, hopefully, from the alma mater that they went to.
	I mean, these universities have become pure indoctrination centers.
	They are Islands of totalitarianism.
	People say I don't have a lot of power, and that's just not true.
	That is a cynical way to view the world.
	On a middle-in-class income, you have to purchase certain goods, certain services, educate your children a certain way, and do that in alignment with your values.
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	where they actually, they rate these companies, where they go through that.
	The blacks out of Tennessee have done a great job.
	They've been really instructive for me.
	What companies are funding planned parenthood?
	What companies are doing the right thing?
	What companies aren't?
	And so I know it's hard.
	I know it's tempting when I go to Amazon and just push a couple buttons, put in a little bit more effort.
	And so people say, Charlie, what can I do?
	And sometimes there's very rich people ask me, what can I do?
	I say, hey, I know you're purchasing power.
	Buy in alignment with your values.
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	Indeed, there are hundreds, if not thousands of photos of me using the exact same gesture.
	I do it with everyone.
	Black and white, young and old, straight and LGBTQ, powerful people, friends, strangers, people who I meet on the street.
	That's really creepy.
	People you meet on the street.
	I think that is sexual assault.
	That's Randy Andy Cuomo today with a presentation that didn't help.
	Didn't help at all.
	But he's not going anywhere.
	Why?
	Because he's a Democrat and they don't go anywhere.
	Just like former presidents who said COVID?
	What COVID, you peasants?
	It's my birthday!
	I get to invite 700 people and have 300 waiters.
	Why?
	Because I'm Barack Obama!
	And I know that the flunkies in the White House, they'll have my back.
	People like Jen Psaki.
	Cut 9.
	Okay, and then just about COVID safety.
	Is President Obama setting the wrong example about how serious COVID-19 is by hosting a big birthday party with hundreds of people this week?
	Well, I would certainly refer you to the team who is working for my former boss to give you more specifics of what the protocols are in place.
	But I would note first that former President Obama has been a huge advocate of individuals getting vaccinated.
	Sorry?
	I mean, is that the most Orwellian response?
	First, I'm busy.
	Just talk to his people, why don't you?
	I mean, I used to work for him, so that's how cool I am.
	Did you get that, my former boss?
	But you just talk... No, not me.
	I'm just the White House press spokesperson.
	I mean, forget about it.
	Oh, and it's OK because... vaccines, I guess.
	By the way, I was going to tweet this out earlier.
	I forgot.
	It's been a busy morning.
	Fully vaccinated.
	Fully.
	Put fully in quote marks.
	What does fully vaccinated mean now?
	Think about it.
	Just from a purely, you know, epistemological, ontological, semantic, what other big words can I throw out there?
	Fully vaccinated right now means nothing.
	Nothing.
	The news.
	I don't know why it's news.
	It's in my rundown.
	Lindsey Graham's got Covid.
	But he's vaccinated.
	So what does fully vaccinated mean?
	It means nothing!
	It means you've been fully pseudo-vaccinated, doesn't it?
	I've had the coronavirus.
	There is no vaccine that can protect me like having beaten the coronavirus.
	Are these things really vaccines, or are they?
	As the FDA says, experimental.
	But Obama's pro-experimental reasons.
	So peasants, go on your way.
	Be gone.
	Off with their heads.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, this is America First, Lord Conrad Black, and for an hour in studio, you don't want to miss the galactic grandmaster, Andrew Clavin.
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	Mics are back on.
	At least not on the mic.
	- I'm a mic.
	- Yeah, it's okay, I know. - Mics are back on. - Conrad. I know. - Mics are back on. - Conrad.
	Yes, sir.
	How goes it?
	Fine.
	How are you doing?
	Good, good.
	Good, good.
	Do you hear me well?
	Yes, I do.
	Have you ever met Governor Cuomo?
	I'm his father, the former governor I knew, but no, I've not met either of these two.
	I can't stand them.
	I didn't agree with Mario Cuomo, but I thought he was a substantial figure, but I just can't stand these two.
	I think it's hilarious the way Trump calls the dumb one on television, Freddo.
	But didn't you know that's equivalent to the N-word for Italians, Conrad?
	Yeah, I know, I know, but I didn't realize that it was in common usage.
	I think it's more a New York thing, you know?
	No, no, it's him.
	I think it was actually, to be truthful, I'd have to look at the roots of it.
	I actually think it's my friend who has the morning show here in D.C.
	On WMAL, a superb radio host called Chris Plant, he started calling Cuomo Fredo about five years ago, and he popularized it, and I think President Trump heard it.
	But is it applied to both of them, or just to both?
	No, no, no, no, just to Chris, just to the CNN guy.
	Yeah, he is really helpless.
	He's almost as nauseating as Don Lemon.
	Quite, quite.
	Which one is more dumb is the hard question to answer.
	All right, I love your new piece.
	We're going to talk Peggy about so many other things.
	Stand by, 20 seconds, and we are live.
	Just let me say one thing, just while we're talking.
	Peggy and A.B.
	Stoddard and all of them should be stripped naked and made to Good!
	Let's talk about that.
	Perfect.
	Stand by.
	It was a tainted election.
	Good.
	Let's talk about that.
	Perfect.
	Stand by.
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	You're listening to America First with Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald J. Trump.
	No.
	Will he stay or will he go?
	He seems rather Teflon coated.
	Who am I talking about?
	Fredo's older brother, Randy Andy Cuomo, with a rather disturbing, cringeworthy press conference today.
	Allegedly the man who bears the title President of the United States will be addressing the issue, but since they're from the same party, we doubt that there will be anything significant to come out of the White House on this issue.
	In the meantime, let's do something actually meaningful.
	It's that time of the week.
	We are delighted as ever to be joined by Lord Conrad Black.
	You can follow him, Conrad M. Black, on Twitter.
	Lord Black, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks so much, Sebastian.
	Glad to be here.
	Any comment on the Farrago that is the quote-unquote Cuomo case?
	I was disappointed at the rather, as I thought, cavalier treatment given by the Attorney General to the issue of the unnecessary, it seems, unnecessary debts and the Holmes for the elderly.
	I thought that was a, you know, that's a life and death issue, and I think that's a much more serious question, I thought, in the business of supposedly molesting women.
	I mean, don't misunderstand me.
	Molesting anybody is a bad thing, but in terms of seriousness, something where people die is more serious.
	With that said, it may be that 50 years ago, A person in Governor Cuomo's position could have done what he's alleged to have done, and nothing would have happened.
	And that's not as it should be.
	So I think the changes are, generally speaking, a good thing, except that I am suspicious, and there's plenty of reason from some of these cases to be suspicious, of these people who come wandering out of the woodwork after having upheld an absolute silence.
	And make unsubstantiated, uncorroborated claims against somebody.
	So in the abstract, I have some sympathy for the governor, even though I have no sympathy for him politically.
	As a matter of fact, as a public personality, I can't stand him.
	I slightly knew, and while I disagreed with him, I rather admired his father.
	But with all of that said, in the times where we are, him being he, Governor Cuomo, being completely aware of the sensitivities of these issues, He appears to a substantial degree ignored the acceptable norms.
	And in my opinion, since the finding, which may have a partisan element to it, but since the finding accuses him of crimes, I think it is very hard for him to remain in place.
	Do you think there will ever be, given today's comments, any substantive repercussions for his policy of sending aged New Yorkers back to homes that could not treat them for the coronavirus, Lord Black?
	What do you think?
	If he staggers on to the next election, I think it would show up in the polls.
	But otherwise, I'm afraid not.
	I mean, I think it was a straight... Look, I don't want to be too Flippant here.
	I don't know more than just what's in the public domain, but it looks to me like a partisan attorney general gave him a pass on that one.
	So I think the answer probably is no.
	But on the other hand, look, let's face facts.
	What he has apparently done is a great deal more serious than what caused Eliot Spitzer to resign.
	I mean, Eliot Spitzer didn't do anything illegal, as far as I know.
	I mean, what he did was shabby and outrageous, and is essentially a matter between him and his ex-wife.
	But it was sex between consenting adults on a contractual basis.
	What this governor is accused of is not acceptable.
	I mean, if he's guilty of it, it's not acceptable to a holder of that office.
	As I understand it, there isn't at this point any guarantee that this finding leads to a charge against him.
	None.
	And I think the suspicion will be that there's an element of partisanship in the finding, but I would say that he has got to be in very, very deep water electorally at this point on both counts.
	But the point being that there were no charges enumerated, really, is the key take-home from today's press conferences.
	We're talking to Lord Conrad Black.
	You can listen to his podcast along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett, Scholars and Scent.
	But we must discuss his latest piece at the superb website AmericanGreatnessAndGreatness.com, The Problem With Peggy.
	Her name has come up more than once in our interviews, of course.
	That's the Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan.
	Let me just read this one sentence that you can expand upon.
	The piece you focus on from Ms.
	Noonan is, you say, an exposé of the profound political division in America today.
	Around what issue is America so divided, Lord Black?
	The way I put it in a piece is that the Democrats are taking the position that they won fair and square.
	There was no question whatsoever about the probity of the election, the integrity of the system in the six swing states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.
	45,000 or so votes flipped in a certain move from Biden to Trump.
	In three of those states, and Trump would have won in the electoral college.
	And there is this elaborate pretense that that is a phony issue and it was entirely dealt with by the courts, when in fact there were 18 cases that addressed the integrity of the election itself in the different states, plus the Attorney General of Texas' case, which was supported by 18 other states.
	And the court system, the judiciary, did not entertain any of them.
	It didn't judge the merits of one of them.
	In my opinion, and I'm taking a bit of a liberty here, the Supreme Court in particular in rejecting the Texas case, rejecting to hearing it that is, I didn't try it, they just declined to hear it.
	were motivated by desire to get this agitation for court packing up their backs.
	This overturning an election would certainly be controversial.
	Having done that, I think they appear to have reverted to being a somewhat honest court.
	But it is still a very disappointing performance by the judiciary.
	I mean, you had ridiculous, spurious reasons in vote for not hearing these things.
	In Wisconsin, the complainants for the Trump campaign were told that they had to start the bottom of the court system, which, of course, would mean that it would get up to a real decision sometime in the middle of Biden's term.
	I mean, nonsense like this.
	So I think that the real issue is the Democrats, in the president's words, say it's the big lie that the election was stolen.
	And the Democrats.
	Most of the Republicans, in the words of President Trump, say it was the crime of the century that it was stolen.
	And I don't think that these whitewashers of the whole process, and especially these never-Trumpers who are just useful idiots to a sleazy Democratic campaign on behalf of what we now see are completely incompetent holders of these great offices, dangerously so, I don't think they can get away any longer.
	Pretending that this is a righteous campaign to get rid of an unsuitable former president, and that justice was done, and the system worked, and the Constitutional Republic was vindicated.
	The fact is, there are all kinds of questions about that election.
	It was the most dodgy result since 1876, and at least in 1876 it was worked out between the two candidates.
	The ostensible loser, though he probably won, conceded the election on the promise that the winner would do a few reasonable and constructive things, not corrupt things.
	And he did do them present days.
	So this isn't like that.
	They just basically stole the election, or at least it looks like they may well have stolen it.
	And then they are censoring people, throwing them off the airwaves, off the social media platforms.
	if they question the election result and the integrity of themselves.
	And And they're not going to get away with it.
	It's the United States, and in the end... Well, this is my question.
	This is my second... It's a democracy.
	This is my second question, and we only have 60 seconds left in this segment with Lord Conrad Black.
	What happens, as a presidential historian, as a former media mogul, what happens when there is incontrovertible evidence of wide-scale fraud having occurred in the last election?
	What do you expect?
	I think that the most you would expect is a referral to the Supreme Court who would determine that it would be inappropriate and that they are not constitutionally justified.
	to overturn the election and don't express an opinion on whether it should be overturned, but issue some absolutely fierce and draconian injunction on all of the states to exercise their constitutional duties and responsibilities but issue some absolutely fierce and draconian injunction on all of the states to exercise their constitutional duties and responsibilities And I think the Republicans have a good thing to take to the polls.
	I don't think they'll overturn the election.
	Interesting.
	A Supreme Court decision that lays the responsibility fairly on the states to clean up their act.
	That should be the least that we expect.
	He is the author of A President Like No Other, Donald J. Trump.
	Follow him at ConradMBlack on Twitter and AmGreatness.com.
	This is America First.
	I like the photograph at the top of your Twitter page, Conrad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah. - Right.
	That wry twinkle in your eye.
	Well look, you've got to get a laugh out of some of this stuff or we'd all be in despair.
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	I mean this gong show in your town there just gets worse and worse.
	I thought they'd take a holiday or something so we just wouldn't hear about it for a while.
	The new mask mandates and then Bowser making sure that the mask mandate doesn't start till 5 a.m.
	on Saturday so she can go to the performance of what's that guy that comedian I'm the wrong guy.
	Oh, Chappelle.
	Dave Chappelle had one of his first appearances in public in D.C.
	on Friday, and Mayor Bowser wanted to be in the front row and taking selfies with him, so she made sure that the mask mandate didn't start till 5 a.m.
	the day after.
	I mean, just a shower.
	Just an absolute shower.
	Isn't she appalling?
	And then, I don't think Washington, since they set up the office of mayor of Washington, I don't think they've had a good mayor, have they?
	They're all idiots, aren't they?
	No, they're idiots, or they're corrupt, or both.
	Or both.
	And look, this is a town you have to remember.
	I mean, Saddam Hussein would be proud.
	93% of DC voted for Hillary Clinton.
	93%, Conrad!
	I know, and Donald only got about half of the others.
	The others went to quack.
	Yeah, crazies.
	Greens, communists, you name it.
	We're the president or the leader of one of the two great parties gets 3% of the vote in the nation's capital.
	You know something is very strange.
	Right.
	But it's any, I mean just look at any of these Democrat-run cities.
	I was talking on the show yesterday, Conrad, in Chicago last month there were 416 shootings in July.
	In July!
	Yeah, no, it's about 70 or 80 every weekend.
	And you think how many were there in Kabul last year, last month?
	I might be less than 400.
	Yeah, no, Kabul's a smaller city.
	But you're right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, the mayor, the original Mayor Daley, I'm old enough to remember him fairly well.
	I actually met him once.
	I mean, really?
	Yes, it was a corrupt system.
	But but at least he ran a tight ship.
	You know, the crime rate wasn't high.
	And the country, you know, the city was well organized.
	I mean, they stole everything except the tin roofs of the buildings.
	But it was still, you know, the downtown never decayed.
	The public transit never became completely overloaded.
	Insurance rates were low downtown because of good police protection and services.
	I mean, it actually was a somewhat efficient system but but when you look at new york for example under under giuliani you see what is possible yes yes and in fairness to bloomberg although some of his things were nonsense i thought like closing times square and so on in fairness to him he pretty much kept up yes a good police policy Yeah, you know, he kept it going.
	He kept it going.
	All right, 30 seconds and we are back.
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	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	We are back with the author of A Matter of Principle, co-host along with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett of Scholars and Sense, the podcast.
	We are discussing his latest piece at American Greatness, The problem with Peggy.
	One of the key issues in your article about Peggy Noonan's piece, Lord Black, is this question of the accomplishments, how the never-Trump right simply seems incapable of recognizing the accomplishments of the last president, as a conservative.
	Yes, I mean, I must say, I should say to start, I like Peggy Noonan as a person.
	She's an extremely pleasant, intelligent person, and an old friend of mine, and it pains me to take issue with her, but you'll notice that I did so in a completely impersonal way.
	I don't criticize her as a person, I just think that on this issue what she's saying is nonsense, and to quote The Economist magazine for once, dangerous nonsense.
	And I think the real problem is with her and with the other intelligent, civilized, never-Trumpers.
	They took against Trump as a personality so vehemently that they made themselves useful idiots to the Democrats, and now they are stuck in an impossible position.
	I mean, no one really blames the Democrats for saying, Dishonest things about Trump as president.
	I mean, that's how politics works.
	You get into, you know, slagging each other off, and both sides take liberties with the truth sometimes.
	That's, you know, all's fair in politics, up to a point.
	I mean, as long as you don't break the law.
	But here, you have the never-Trumpers, who should know better, who are afraid to say, like Ann Coulter does.
	Again, she's a friend of mine, but I don't agree with her.
	I think it won't work.
	But she says Trumpism without Trump.
	I mean, it's nonsense.
	It's like, you know, again, you and I remember Gaulism without the Gaul.
	You know, it's nonsense, you know?
	I mean, the personality is the program, and you don't get any of the program without the forceful personality to put it across.
	But with that said, you know, Anne puts it straight that way.
	But Peggy and her Collaborators in this movement purport to be so appalled by Trump's personality, they simply completely overlook what he did, which they never objected to and occasionally sometimes did.
	command, such as the Abrahamic court, for example, and they just actually pretend that that is something that would have happened anyway.
	But Trump is so absolutely unpresidential and unacceptable in that great office for reasons of personal turpitude.
	He used to be smeared, called a tumor metastasizing in the Oval Office and so forth.
	And every hint of improper elections called Dougray is to be stamped out, just crushed and denied any airing at all.
	And so they're fanatical militant soldiers for a regime they don't agree with and only supported out of a kind of visceral and in some cases maladjusted hatred of the former president.
	Let me...
	They're entitled to that, but not to swaddle themselves in righteousness a bit.
	Let me make this a little bit more personal.
	As an individual who is incredibly well-spoken, sartorially very elegant, I think you are a representative of an age that we need to return to.
	How much does this Style as well as substance matter, because it seems to be the only, either this or Klaas, seems to be the only justification for the vituperative nature of these individuals.
	If he had worn the right ties, if he had said the right things on Twitter, would everything be forgiven?
	How much are we a prisoner to the packaging as well as to the substance?
	I think very much so.
	Almost entirely, yes.
	I mean, I think we can agree that if at least all conservatives and surely all Republicans and many Democrats could agree that if Donald Trump looked and sounded like Franklin D. Roosevelt or John F. Kennedy or Ronald Reagan or a combination of them,
	and always spoke in a witty and charming way, other than when being forceful was unquestionably appropriate, I think 90% of this hysterical opposition to him would vanish.
	So I think it is overwhelmingly stylistic.
	Now, on your question of how important it is, it's only important because some people do respond, many people, in this irrational way.
	Clearly, the majority of Americans supported Trump's policies.
	That's one of the reasons the Republicans made gains in their lives.
	But an adequate number disapproved of him as an individual so strongly that they voted with the Democrats to replace what they knew to be, in policy terms, an excellent administration for what they had every reason to expect would be and we now see is A terrible, incompetent, subversive bunch of blunderbusses.
	But Conrad, isn't this the irony, or the catch-22 of it all, that if it weren't for his blunderbuss style, for his combative nature, he wouldn't have won the election in the first place?
	Absolutely right.
	And furthermore, what we're leaving under the equation is, those 75 million people who voted for I voted for him.
	I mean, maybe a few voted holding their noses saying, I don't like this guy, but I like this policy.
	But the great majority of those we know from polling and just our own intuition and people we meet, the great majority found his, to take a phrase from Mr. Nixon, rock-em-sock-em way of approaching politics absolutely without pretension, without any
	gloss of feigned and confected courtesy and etiquette, calling it straight in a humorous way, highly refreshing.
	I mean, the most pompous, annoying spectacle I've seen politically anywhere in the last five years was that handing over on Inauguration Day in the Capitol building where the two incoming national office holders, Biden and Harris, were ex-senators.
	And McConnell and the others were kind of slobbering over them as our former friendly colleagues here in the Senate.
	And it was all just one nice little club for 100 or 120 Senators, Nick, Senators, and so on.
	And it was just absolutely wonderful that we were getting back to that.
	And a huge number of Americans think there's been too much of that.
	It's just an in-group that runs things for the benefit of themselves and their friends and is essentially under the post-Reagan presidencies, except for Trump, mismanaged the country in varying degrees.
	And that's a huge block of opinion.
	And Trump doesn't have to add very much to that to have a majority.
	I think it's as the good General Flynn said in 2016, we had a peaceful revolution and it was led by a man who embodied the rock'em, sock'em, and he's not disappearing, whether Peggy Noonan likes and he's not disappearing, whether Peggy Noonan likes it or not.
	We are posting Lord Black's article right now on our Twitter and Facebook pages.
	In the meantime, check out his superlative autobiography, A Matter of Principle.
	Thank you, Lord Black.
	Your calls next here on America First.
	That was lovely.
	Rock him, sock him.
	Superb.
	Well, that was Nixon.
	Yes, yes.
	And Nixon was good at it, too.
	He was.
	He was.
	Tell me, roughly how many listeners do you have at any given time?
	How many listeners would there be right now?
	Three million listeners plus.
	And then we have all the people who watch on video, on live streaming, on Rumble, on Facebook.
	And then we have all the people who download the podcast.
	So you really have a lot of listeners for what we're saying.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, we're nationally syndicated from Los Angeles to New York and everywhere in between.
	Well, you know, I must say, Sebastian, I have with my thing with you and with John Batchelor and often Ed Martin out in St.
	Louis, you know, the Phyllis Schlafly.
	Oh, yes, yes.
	And with the stuff I said, a piece up real clear today from the Hill and so on.
	I do have a gratifying sense of making a slight contribution to something that is terribly important to the world.
	That we get the United States back into a position where it feels comfortable about itself and has a government that defends the legitimate national interest of the country vigorously.
	I mean, sensibly, but vigorously.
	I have to say, we've even had callers on air say how much they enjoy your segments, so you are making a difference, Conrad.
	That's terribly kind of you to say it.
	No, it's just a statement of fact.
	If I had my druthers, I mean, we have amazing guests every single day.
	But I would be fine with you and VDH all week.
	I mean, if we had three hours with both of you, I'd be happy.
	I'd be happy puppy.
	If I do say so, I think that's a good podcast we've got with Bill Bennett.
	Are you having fun?
	Are you having fun?
	Yeah, and the numbers are coming up every week.
	Good.
	How do you connect there?
	Are you doing on a phone line or how are you doing that?
	What's the audio connection?
	We Zoom it so you can get the video if you want.
	We should try that at least because this phone line isn't the best.
	Maybe we should try Zoom or Skype.
	Skype.
	Let me talk to my guys.
	Would that be an option for you?
	Yeah, I can do it, sure.
	I've got shit up here to do, either.
	Love it.
	Excellent.
	Good, good.
	All right.
	All the best.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	Bye-bye.
	We've had him on Skype before, I think.
	We have.
	Like, once before.
	We have, for an hour.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	So it is doable.
	Yep.
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	Uh, yeah, it's a long cut, though.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this is a C segment.
	Wow.
	De Blasio?
	What's the point of him speaking if he's gonna say the same exact thing?
	Isn't he supposed to talk about the Cuomo stuff, or is this, like... Yeah, he said he's taking questions, but... He looks worse.
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	Uh, do you wanna come in with him?
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	Okay, that's enough.
	I've had enough.
	That's enough.
	That was like 12 seconds of Biden.
	He's blathering on about vaccinations.
	Then he'll make some excuses for Randy.
	100,000.
	But the state with the lowest vaccination rates are seeing 10 to 20 times as many new cases per 100,000 people.
	Okay, that's enough.
	I've had enough.
	That's enough.
	That was like 12 seconds of Biden.
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	It's been far too long.
	We have had so many great guests.
	We're going to have Andrew Claven in studio for the whole next hour, but I have to take some of your calls right now.
	Let's go to Sam in Atlanta, line four.
	Welcome.
	Hey, Mr. Gorka.
	It's good to talk to you again.
	I got your book, and I read half of it.
	I'm working on the other half.
	It's a great book.
	Good.
	I really enjoyed it.
	What I wanted to call about, Mr. Kirk, he hit the nail on the head, man.
	We have got to stop letting these liberals define who we are.
	I was watching Senator Cruz.
	He was giving a speech on the Senate floor this weekend, and he's sitting there, and I couldn't even listen to what the man was saying because I couldn't get past the Starbucks cup sitting right next to him.
	I mean, come on, man!
	Oh, seriously?
	Are you sure it was Senator Cruz's Starbucks cup?
	It was!
	Oh, no!
	It was!
	It was sitting right in front of him!
	Right next to his water bottle.
	And I'm like, come on, Ted, you've got to do better.
	We have got... Alright, I trust you, Sam.
	I need that confirmed.
	Eric is on the case.
	That's deplorable.
	That's really, that's just so, so disappointing, Senator Cruz.
	And the thing is, is that the reason the liberals are able to define us is because Is because we shop at Starbucks.
	We shop at Target.
	I don't!
	I don't bloody shop at Starbucks.
	It's garbage coffee to begin with!
	Garbage!
	And not to mention, it's like ten bucks?
	Come on, there ain't no cup of coffee worth ten bucks.
	Come on.
	That's true, that's true.
	Thank you, Sam, and we're gonna check that out.
	Let's go to John, South Carolina, line three.
	No Starbucks if you're a conservative!
	Welcome, John.
	Absolutely, no Starbucks whatsoever.
	We're throwing them out of town here.
	Hey, and by the way, Dunkin's is bloody good coffee.
	It is.
	It is indeed.
	So is Black Rifle.
	Ah, dude!
	Have you heard the news about Black Rifle?
	No, I haven't.
	Big donations to Democrat candidates!
	Oh no!
	Oh yeah!
	It came out last week.
	Black Rifle.
	Not so patriotic, John.
	Missed that one.
	Well, I don't drink coffee anyway.
	I like Irish tea, Dr. G. Very civilized.
	Or Irish coffee.
	You've got 30 seconds.
	Share your comment with us.
	Come on, you've got to do something better for that.
	I can't!
	You've got to at least let me pay Conrad Black a compliment.
	Go ahead.
	Every time I hear him, I think the word cogent.
	Yes!
	Cogent is defined as clear, logical, and convincing.
	You know, I've said it many times, I'll say it again, when I grow up, I want to be like Lord Black.
	Well, instead of Fridays, we need to have Hwaii Days.
	And so, for Tuesday, we're having Hwaii Day here.
	Why has there been no legislative remedy proposed or constitutional amendment to rectify the situation that we had both with the courts and with the elections?
	Okay, John, I'll respond.
	I'm out of time.
	Because the Constitution is clear.
	It is not the job of federal government.
	It is not the job of Congress.
	The elections, even for president, should be managed, should be shaped, should be controlled by the states themselves.
	You want to ask for a solution, it's got to be the state houses and it's up to us.
	They drop the ball, it's their responsibility, whether it's Pennsylvania, Arizona or Georgia, it's up to the state houses.
	Do your bloody job.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
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	Hey, Sherry.
	Hey, hi Sebastian.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Good.
	I've only got a couple of minutes.
	We've got a congresswoman on the line.
	What's your question?
	Okay, great.
	I just wanted to point out that in your last conversation with Lord Black about the downfall of President Trump was most likely his personality.
	I disagree with that a little bit because I think that he ran on the platform of draining the swamp.
	But hang on, hang on.
	Sherry, who said that?
	He didn't say that and I didn't say that.
	Oh, it sounded like I thought that I heard that his downfall was his personality.
	No, no, no.
	We were quoting other people's criticisms.
	Ah, okay, okay.
	So, well... I like bullies trying to shove.
	That's what I am.
	Yeah, well that's what it takes to run a country.
	Yes!
	Yeah, but what I was going to say was, I think that the Dems went to work really fast putting out a narrative because he was going to drain the swamp and that they got really afraid.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And I think that they, you know, when they talk to their base, They're talking to the sheep who are going to believe them and that's where the trouble started.
	Exactly.
	It's just a smear tactics.
	Thank you, Sherry.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
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	They tried, they tried to use skullduggery against her, but they failed.
	She is, of course, the Congresswoman for New York's 22nd Congressional District, and she said that she would join us when I texted her because we need that response to Randy Andy and that cringe-worthy press conference today.
	Congresswoman Claudia Tenney, welcome back to America First.
	Thank you.
	It's great to be on.
	It's a great day when we can take Andrew Cuomo down.
	Let's hope.
	Let's not give up now.
	You said in the break, you said we've got to take him down.
	Is this man not cast iron wrapped in Teflon?
	No charges listed in the report from the AG.
	Is this just another press conference with zero ramifications, Congresswoman?
	I don't think so.
	I think he has finally run out of lives, at least certainly I'm hoping.
	I've been calling for his resignation now for eight years.
	There have been so many scandals involving Andrew Cuomo, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
	From his casino pay-to-play scam, his Buffalo Billion pay-to-play scam, His Morland Commission scandal, the Justice Center scandal, the nursing home scandal with the cover-up, now sexual harassment, sexual assault, and I'm just telling you of a few things about the way Andrew Cuomo abuses power in New York State, and we're finally catching him.
	I don't care how it is.
	This guy has got to either resign, face impeachment, or be prosecuted.
	New Yorkers deserve nothing less than that at this point.
	Let's do a comparison with Chicago.
	A man who had dozens of people killed, disappeared, poured in concrete, Al Capone.
	They go after a murderer with tax evasion.
	This story today of the sexual, you know, the inappropriate kissings and handholdings.
	This is a man, Congresswoman, who sent more than 12,000 New Yorkers to their deaths when he was in charge of COVID policy.
	Isn't that why he should be removed from office?
	Among the many reasons, there's over 15,000.
	And by the way, he covered it up.
	So Anne wrote a book using staffers on the taxpayer dime.
	Now he's come out, instead of coming out and having some reflection and being somewhat contrite, he just came out and said in his weird pre-taped press conference that it's the victims who are wrong and it's the victims who are the problem here.
	He's discredited them.
	And he went on to say that we're going to use more taxpayer money And he's actually going to go out and he's going to pay your taxpayer money and he and his staff, remember his staff's all part of the sexual harassment and touching, they are going to actually all go through a new sexual harassment training so this doesn't happen again and that they make sure they're complying with the rules because, you know, he's handsy.
	And he also put out a really interesting video montage which you can find on Twitter.
	We played it twice already.
	Very, very creepy.
	Super, super creepy.
	Is the fact that the New York Democrats are meeting now in emergency session, does that mean anything, Congresswoman?
	I think, yes, I do think right now the last thing the Democrats need as they try to cover up the border crisis, the inflation crisis, everything that is Biden crisis, now Joe Biden, and I think he's speaking right now, may come out and actually call for the resignation, as has Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, the great mayor, I'm saying that in jest, of New York City, de Blasio, everybody is jumping on board right now.
	All this bill has to do is hit the floor There is plenty to impeach him on besides the sexual harassment, the sexual assault.
	Cuomo has to step down as governor and lieutenant governor actually ascends to power until the Senate trial on Cuomo's impeachment.
	There is plenty to impeach him on besides the sexual harassment, the sexual assault.
	There are so many issues, the pay to play potentially on so many other issues.
	The staff issue of him using staff again to write his book in the middle of the covid crisis, the cover up.
	There's so many things out there that are impeachable.
	And every bill that gets on the floor of the state assembly passes when the Democrats put it on the floor because it's one party rule in New York.
	And the Democrats have controlled the House since 1974.
	The question is, does the speaker, Carl Hasty, have the will to put this out?
	Well, he got it.
	You know, is there leverage on Carol Heastie?
	That's the big question.
	Well, she may be the congresswoman for the 22nd Congressional District of New York, but I think she's also a mentalist.
	She said it's gonna happen, and he just did it!
	The man who bears the title of President of the United States at the podium has just called for Cuomo to resign.
	Does it make a That's bottom worth of difference we shall see.
	In the meantime follow this lady claudiaforcongress.com and at claudiatenny on Twitter.
	Last question I have to ask you because Breitbart got the 2710 page Atrocity of a draft bill for infrastructure.
	Your reaction to one thing that the British press, of course, because they talk about it, have said, at least there's a section on women in trucking.
	Did you know, Claudia Tenney, that only 6% of truck drivers are female and the infrastructure bill will support more female truck drivers in America?
	That is news to me, but not surprising that the British have pointed it out.
	Look, this is another case, this infrastructure bill, of one of the biggest abusers of power in probably U.S. history is Nancy Pelosi.
	She's right up there with Andrew Cuomo, who if only he -- thank God he won't ascend to the presidency, but he's about the only person that could really compete with Nancy Pelosi on that level.
	She's trying to leverage a bipartisan deal.
	I don't support the deal either way, even the bipartisan deal, but we have got to stop spending.
	We've got to be responsible.
	We are in an inflation situation that I think is dangerous to the American public and to our future as a nation.
	China's surrounding us, and we really need to be really cognizant of what's happening out there.
	We just can't continue to hand out Did you hear what she just said?
	That's why we love this lady.
	She's not even going to support a bipartisan infrastructure bill because it's drunken sailors with their paychecks.
	Follow her at Claudia Tenney.
	Did you hear what she just said?
	That's why we love this lady.
	She's not even going to support a bipartisan infrastructure bill because it's drunken sailors with their paychecks.
	Follow her at Claudia Tenney.
	She is fighting for New York's 22nd District and America.
	Thank you for joining us today.
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	Frank in North Carolina wants to chime in on Randy Andy.
	Hey, Dr. G. I started listening to your show these past few months, but my dad was a big fan of yours before he passed away recently.
	I had some wise words that I really think would apply to the whole Cuomo thing that's going on.
	I'd love to share them with you.
	Go ahead.
	He said that you have a big... Oh my gosh, you're so sad!
	So you're gonna use a fake death To call in to a show and talk about things that you know nothing... Frank, are you literally in your mom's basement using her phone?
	You're a sad, sad little excuse for a man.
	And to use somebody's death like that, you have no soul.
	Let's go to Matt, North Carolina, line 5.
	Hello, Mr. Commander of Conservative Radio.
	Hey!
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Sure, you've got 30 seconds.
	Hit me.
	Yes sir.
	I disappreciate the last caller.
	He's an idiot.
	And I want to ask you a professional opinion.
	Is this going to knock Cuomo down a couple of notches?
	Or is he going to skate like I heard on my last show?
	Nothing in the last six months has indicated that he is vulnerable.
	But you know...
	If the White House is calling for you to resign, I think they're gonna have to drag him out of the governor's mansion, because that's who the Democrats are.
	Thank you, Matt.
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	He has a thing for the letter E. He doesn't like it.
	He is the host of the Andrew Klavan Show on The Daily Wire, where all the other luminaries of the conservative world do their daily thing.
	He is, of course, Andrew Klavan.
	Andrew, welcome to 101.
	Always a pleasure.
	I have said it before on my show, and thank you for hosting while I was traveling.
	It was great.
	I had a great time.
	And I've said it whenever people ask me what should I be listening to.
	Your podcast is my favorite podcast, not just because of the cartoons at the beginning, which are hilarious, but I love the monologues, and I haven't seen you do one monologue where you didn't crack up at your own jokes, which is always amusing, but because You talk about the heavy things, the big things, and it's digestible, it's serious.
	It's not like listening to Jordan Peterson and wanting to slit your wrists at the end of it.
	It's actually, you know, it makes you feel good at the end of it because you're an optimist.
	But I have a bone to pick with you, Andrew Klaver.
	Let's hear it.
	I like superheroes.
	What is your problem with Superman and Wonder Woman?
	Well, if you haven't seen it, guys, one of the recent episodes, you tell us this fascinating history, the sexual perverted mores of the people who created some of our favorite superheroes.
	Well, Wonder Woman, especially.
	I know!
	And when you look at her, it's obvious, right?
	She's a dominatrix.
	And he was very much into this and very much believed in it and thought it was liberating, it was liberating.
	So what you've got, I mean, women reviewers, I'm not making this up, saw that movie Wonder Woman, the first one, the Gal Gadot one, which was a wonderful movie, terrific movie.
	The new one, not so much.
	Yeah, but that first one was really, but they wept.
	because Wonder Woman charged into battle in World War I and won the battle.
	And you think, like, first of all, never happened.
	Secondly, never will happen.
	Thirdly, couldn't possibly happen.
	And yet they are garnering a sense of strength and empowerment from the fantasy of a guy who believed in we should all get together and spank each other and tie each other.
	Do you remember that interview with some black commentator, or I don't know if he was a professor or something, after the Black Panther movie?
	Do you remember this interview?
	He comes out of the movie theater and he says, now we know why Black Africa was not advanced as it should be, because they exploited us.
	It's like, dude, it's a superhero movie!
	It's not the History Channel!
	He actually said that!
	And they would tell you, I didn't like the Black Panther movie, I thought it was kind of dull and silly, and that was racist of me for not liking it.
	As if, by the way, there had never been a black superhero before.
	These guys have no sense of history.
	They have no sense of anything happening before.
	And really, if you go back into the 1990s and watch black roles on TV, black roles in the movies, it was all kind of over at that point.
	Before Barack Obama became president, we had kind of come to a reconciliation where we said, yeah, we get it.
	Blacks are part of America.
	We get there was this history.
	We were ashamed.
	We're sorry.
	And after the Obama administration, the hostility rose again because Obama used racial problems to cover up his failures.
	So, somebody I like a lot.
	He's really strong on YouTube.
	He was an actor.
	He knows the Hollywood swamp.
	His name is Chris Colts.
	He has the Mr. Reagan channel.
	He does these reviews and he made a point about, was it Was it Chris?
	It was either Chris or a guy called Critical Drinker, the Scottish reviewer.
	We've had powerful female role models in movies since the get-go, right?
	The idea that we have to hammer it now is absurd and he mentioned Where Eagles Dare.
	Do you remember Where Eagles Dare with Clint Eastwood and Robert, I'm not sure, Richard Burton.
	And the key undercover agents there aren't Clinton and Burton.
	It's the women in the dirndl skirts.
	It's the undercover German, the busty blonde who actually infiltrates into the castle.
	And they didn't hammer you over the head with, this is a woman and look, she's a hero.
	No, she was part of this thing and it just swamped over you, washed over you.
	It's good storytelling.
	But it's not just that.
	It's not just that.
	Professional women, working women, really had a greater role in American movies than they did in real life.
	I mean, there were more women in executive positions in movies than there were... So actually influencing the output?
	Yes, of course.
	And I think what, you know, there's always a kind of trade-off in the arts, not in the leftist arts, but in the normal arts, where the arts have to represent what's going on.
	They want to tell stories about what's really happening.
	And you can't say, well, it's not fair that you're not representing women in the military when there are no women in the military.
	That would be absurd.
	But, in fact, the movies have always represented women in very diverse roles.
	This whole feminist theory... First of all, nothing a feminist has ever said is ever... You can't find a sentence by a feminist that's actually true.
	But this whole idea that movies made women into either housewives or hookers is just absolutely wrong.
	I mean, you go back to His Girl Friday.
	I mean, I could rip off Barbara Stanwyck.
	Almost every role she played was some kind of professional...
	Woman, so the history of movies has not been like that at all, and in fact, the history of American womanhood has not been what the feminists tell us it was, that they have been oppressed.
	The West has been incredibly liberating to women, and women's roles have changed with technology, with birth control, with even the fact that they now have things to use during their periods that can actually allow them to go outdoors while they're having them.
	Those are all changes that happen, technological changes that broaden the way that women can live.
	But it wasn't like people were actually oppressing them before.
	They had a different role in the world.
	So let's, since we're already there, since it really is your métier and your background as an incredibly successful script writer and a Hollywood writer, let's get what we usually end up with at the end of our discussion out of the way first, so we can get a little bit more metaphysical and philosophical.
	difficult.
	You are the host of an amazing podcast, The Andrew Klavan Show.
	Subscribe now.
	Listen to it.
	If it's good enough for me, it's good enough for you.
	You're the author of screenplays that have been turned into movies.
	You've got your own books, Another Kingdom.
	My favorite is your autobiography, The Great Good Thing.
	My issue is the following.
	Conservatives are crap at culture now.
	I mean, just really, really bad.
	Because they say, we're going to make something that's a cultural product, and they are literally banging your head with a Bible.
	They are literally saying, this is what Ayn Rand thinks, and it's so good.
	You call for the creation of a cultural ecosystem or the institutions that germinate and help conservative writers and so forth.
	Is it happening?
	Has there been any movement?
	What is our response?
	I know the Daily Wire keeps hinting that we're going to do movies.
	Gina, where is it?
	I want to see it.
	Please, come on, Ben, get busy.
	Is it happening?
	What is missing and what has to be done in the near future, Andrew?
	Okay, first, in defense of the Daily Wire, and inside that place I've been screaming at them for years about this, so I'm not just being nice.
	They are doing what they say they are doing, and I'm so moved to see it, and hats off to Jeremy Boren.
	There's a reason we call him the God King.
	It took him a while, and he had me nagging him this whole time.
	He's ready to hit me over the head with a frying pan, but still, he is really getting it done, and it's important.
	But, you know, there's a couple of things.
	Let's take the first thing is, of course, the blacklist.
	We've been blacklisted in Hollywood and now, yes, and now even in the publishing industry, which is much worse.
	You know, books can be taken off Amazon for not having the proper leftist point of view.
	Any screenwriter with any connection to Donald Trump will never get hired again.
	I would say right now, I'm the only white male who's doing Hollywood-style work, because I'm getting hired by conservatives now.
	But if you're living in Hollywood, they're hiring according to woke rules.
	So what happens is, you know, when they wouldn't hire, say, a black guy to manage a baseball team, and they changed that, and they said, all right, we're opening the doors to black men, there were no black men waiting outside.
	Why?
	Because they went elsewhere.
	They went where the jobs were.
	And so, that's kind of what's happened to conservatives.
	Conservatives are saying, well, I can't get into Hollywood, I'm not going to make it, there's nobody out there, there's no infrastructure, there's no award systems, there's no reviews, nobody's going to review my book.
	However, in keeping with conservative mores, you do see this thing from the ground up, where individuals have started making YouTube videos, and sub-stack places, and things on Locals, Dave Rubin's platform, where they're starting to make the kind of culture that individuals can make.
	Right, but that's not big, you know, $200 million movies.
	No, because we haven't got the infrastructure for that.
	Or the money, I mean.
	And what I was going to say, what I was going to say, where we have been let down, where we have been let down, is by the money people.
	Yes.
	And the thing is, movies are not a great industry.
	It's not a great way to make money.
	I mean, you make money through popcorn sales, through international sales, and of course, the rest of the world doesn't want to hear about American values anymore.
	They're so woke and so left-wing that they don't want to hear the kind of conservative things.
	So you have to make films that will make money, and businessmen think, gee, I could really go into some easier business than this.
	It's a very difficult business, the arts.
	I mean, most artists starve.
	You're looking at one of the few.
	So, you know, there are a lot of things militating against conservatives and culture, and the last thing is our addiction to the facts.
	I mean, my friend Ben Shapiro, I love him to death, but he says facts don't care about your feelings.
	That's true.
	But in the arts, the arts are about the inner life of man, you know, and the inner life of man is sort of outlined by your feelings.
	So there are things militating against us.
	On the other hand, just one last thing, on the other hand, All great art.
	All great art is conservative.
	Because conservatism is about the facts, the real life, the real things about the unchangeable human spirit.
	And so when you go back and you look at Shakespeare, you know, when you look at... Or the Pietà.
	The Pietà.
	All of this is where the greatest art comes from.
	There are liberals who make great art, like Charles Dickens.
	But there's no great art that's actually liberal in and of itself.
	It always deals with the facts of life and the facts of human nature.
	And we can, as long as people will admit the facts of life and admit the facts of human nature, conservatives can win every argument.
	Okay, let's get to the really big stuff.
	We're talking to Andrew Klavan.
	Subscribe to his podcast, and right now, The Andrew Klavan Show.
	Check out Another Kingdom, the book, the dramatized version, with Michael Knowles and, of course, his awesome autobiography, The Great Good Thing.
	Christ.
	Yes.
	So, your story of finding Christ as somebody raised as a Jew is quite a remarkable story.
	How do we deal with the lack of Christ in the, not just Western civilization, but in the conservative world, when it is being bombarded by one of the dumbest ideologies I've ever seen, which is libertarianism, which denies the soul of man.
	I mean, really, libertarianism denies the essence of man, and that's why it's so stupid, thinking that freedom is devoid of moral content.
	Or you go to the other extreme with the Dineens and who's the other author of the Benedict Option?
	The Dreyers, right?
	The two Ds.
	You have one who says, the founding of America was flawed in its essence, as a conservative, says that.
	And the other, Rod Who says, it's so rotten, civilization's so utterly irredeemable, you have to go off and create your little enclave, build your own monastery and separate yourself.
	And I think Dre is slightly stepped back from that statement.
	But at the end of the day, you know, let me put it to you thusly.
	So, I don't wear my religion on my sleeve.
	I will admit now and again, especially when it's that time of the year that I'm a born and raised cradle Catholic, and I'll talk about Jesus a couple of times a year on the radio show, and I get these outpourings.
	I get these real, oh my gosh, thank you for just admitting you're a Christian.
	I go, Why is it such a big deal?
	And then I understand because it's so rare.
	If you look at, for example, the speeches, the public speeches of an Eisenhower or a Churchill, I'm not talking about 200 years ago, I'm talking about 50, 70 years ago, redolent, full of the word blessings, the Lord, natural law.
	Do we have A way to deal with this.
	Is there a transmission belt, Andrew?
	We have got to get over this idea that it is somehow rude to mention God because, for the simple reason, because we can't make the American argument without God.
	Yes.
	And it doesn't, it doesn't really, you know, I had this conversation with Alan Dershowitz, a constitutional scholar, lawyer, a lot of Supreme Court cases.
	Where I said to him, Lincoln put forward the idea that the Constitution is the law, but it's informed by the philosophy of the Declaration.
	The philosophy of the Declaration, in a nutshell, is God gave us our rights, the government exists to secure those rights.
	And Dershowitz says, no, no, no, no, no.
	You can't make an argument for freedom from God, because there's so many gods.
	And my feeling is, well, there are a lot of answers to 2 plus 2, but only one of them And the founding of America is so based upon the concept that we are fallen.
	Yes.
	The whole concept of limiting government with checks and balances is because we are fallen.
	Right.
	And if you can't believe in God, you have to at least stipulate the God of the Declaration.
	You have to at least say, okay, it will be as if I believe in this.
	But the simple reason is you just can't make the argument that we have rights without Having been endowed with those rights from above.
	You can't make it and people try to make it and they pretend they make it and if you listen to their logic it never holds true.
	Well the best they come up with is utility, right?
	That's right.
	Not killing people is bad for the other people.
	That's not a good argument.
	It's not a good argument because actually killing people works great.
	Right.
	It accomplishes a lot of things.
	You don't do it because they have a right to life because we are told that they have a right to life.
	Because they're made in God's image.
	They're made in God's image.
	And the funny thing about this is the greatest victory the left has scored, in my opinion, is to tell us that God has no place in the public square, that the minute you make an argument, and right-wingers buy into this, conservatives buy into this, the minute you make an argument from God, your argument is flawed.
	And I would say, well then, if my argument is flawed, argue with me, you know, come and get me, because I don't think you're going to win that argument.
	And this kind of default setting where a sophisticated person, an intellectual person, an educated person dismisses the idea of God.
	This is the default setting that the left media has sold to us.
	I just see it on the right now all the time.
	So that if I say, you know, you're endowed with your rights by your creator on the right.
	On Twitter, conservatives will show up going, no, no, no, no, that's some god daddy in the sky and all that stuff.
	How about reading some theology?
	The people who attack theology, guys, popular writers like Steven Pinker and Yuval Harari, all these guys who kind of write these intellectual... Sam Harris.
	Sam Harris.
	They know nothing about theology.
	Nothing.
	I mean, it's really fascinating.
	They know a lot about science, they know a lot about a lot of things, but they don't know anything about theology, so they don't know what they're talking about.
	And then we have the rich Larrys who use theology completely incorrectly, who say that CRT is good, really, because it's in the Bible.
	No, it's not.
	The critical race is not in the Bible, dude.
	And you're quoting the Old Testament to justify CRT.
	Something happened after the New Testament.
	The French did that, I think.
	Sorry, French.
	Was it French?
	Was it Larry or French?
	I think it's French.
	Shadow, look it up.
	Yeah, French.
	You're forgetting the whole point of the New Testament, where there is a new covenant, where the God of the Old Testament is changed forever.
	Okay, whilst we're on God and theology, you've got to help me with this.
	The forces we are fighting, whether it's Nancy Pelosi, whether it's Black Lives Matter, whether it's Antifa, are they evil?
	That's a difficult question.
	I would say that the people themselves are not evil.
	I don't know about Nancy Pelosi.
	She's such a loon at this point.
	I'm not even sure she's cognizant of what she's doing.
	But no, I mean, the example that I always use is Barack Obama.
	I don't think Barack Obama's an evil man.
	I mean, we know what evil looks like.
	We've seen the Jeffrey Dahmers and the Adolf Hitlers and the people who go out and try to cause pain for other people because they want to cause pain because they hate other people.
	I don't think that that is the sin that Barack Obama, say, has fallen into.
	What I think the devil whispers to Barack Obama, if I may put it that way, is you can do this better.
	You can live other people's lives better than they can live them themselves.
	You will make life better if you tell people what to do without ever actually taking into account that that's how power corrupts you.
	Power corrupts most people not by making them say, I want to be king, but by making them say, I know what everyone should do.
	I know how this is going to work out best.
	That idea that if I just gather with the experts, and we close the door on the people, and we don't listen to the people, then me and the experts are going to come out and tell you what you should do, and everything will be better.
	I don't think that's evil.
	I think it results in evil.
	I think it is a pathway to evil, but I don't think the individuals are evil.
	And that's the problem, I think, with so much right-wing talk, is that sometimes we blame The human beings for their brokenness, instead of saying the philosophy is wrong.
	I think we're in a battle of ideas.
	I think their ideas lead down a path to evil.
	I think all lies lead down a path to evil.
	I think the minute you say something, you base your ideas on something that's not true.
	You're going to find yourself in a very dark place.
	But that doesn't mean you set out for that dark place.
	Like a guy like Hitler, you know, set out for dark. - Let's talk about a concrete example where it is a conscious decision.
	What is happening on the southern border is a conscious decision.
	And there is no way that any Democrat who is pro open borders, and I don't care whether it's AOC, who's allegedly compus mentis, or a woman who clearly has issues with her mind, and that's Nancy.
	If you're a Democrat and you are pro open borders policies, there is no way that you do not know that that means of the 6,000 illegal aliens crossing the border every single day, at least 40% of the women and the girls are being raped or sexually abused.
	Is that not evil?
	To promote that?
	And to say that I'm fine with the cartels profiting.
	Can we really separate these things out and say, well, it's well-intentioned or they just want more Democrat voters.
	They know that trafficking results in abuse.
	However, if we use the word evil for this, I mean, it's kind of like the crime problem when they say, oh, the police, we've got to defund the police and more, mostly black people get killed because of that.
	We do have to think for just a second.
	When you think what an evil person looks like, what evil people do, we have to have a word for that.
	And evil is the extreme word we use for that.
	When a guy says, oh, you know, let's put all those people, they have the wrong, you know, letter at the end of their name, let's put them in a gas chamber and exterminate them.
	Or, you know, let's take all my people who disagree with me out and put a bullet in their head at the bottom of the Lubyanka prison.
	You know, we know what evil looks like, but we also know that people aren't... I mean, if that's evil, 50% of this country would have to be evil.
	And I don't believe that that's true.
	What I think is 50% of the people in this country are working off an imaginary set of values.
	And when you do that, you will wind up doing evil, but you may not have meant to do evil.
	I'm going to push my last question one more time and then we'll move on.
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	Is it not evil To imprison grandmothers for five months in solitary on trespass charges and call them insurrectionists.
	Because you're talking about yellow stars, putting yellow stars on people's evil.
	Well, guess what?
	Those people have a certain type of mark on them, and they're Trump supporters.
	Yeah.
	And they're being punished for being Trump supporters.
	Right.
	But again, I don't mean to mince words.
	I mean, I think that that's an evil thing to do.
	But I do think that there are people who set out to do evil.
	And the reason I just think it's important to distinguish those things is because the fight against ideas is the fight we're in.
	We're not actually in a fight between angels and devils.
	Look, you're flawed.
	I'm flawed.
	We know this, right?
	I mean, we're not in a fight between angels and devils.
	A fight between false ideas that lead to destruction and true ideas that can really lead to benefits.
	And I think that that's the fight we have to put on because otherwise it gets to be a mudslinging match and there's no way to determine who's right and who's wrong at that point.
	You like Trump and the other guy likes Obama and that's the argument we're having.
	I don't think that's the argument we're having.
	I think the argument we're having is whether human beings have the right to live their own lives unmolested by the powers that be.
	And I think that, yes, not only do they, but the world works better without power coming down from above.
	All right, I'm going to transition to something else, which may not be something else.
	It may be a sneaky attempt for me to continue the same discussion.
	No, no, it's interesting.
	You've done one of your recent podcasts.
	You talked about homosexuality very, very openly.
	You talked about your son, Spencer Claiborne.
	You talked about the, you didn't use the word perversion, but the disorder.
	You used the word disorder, a very powerful phrase.
	When you look at the arguments you made in that podcast, and you look at the news of just this week, whereby the American Medical Association is saying to doctors, well, birth certificates shouldn't have male or female.
	They should have other options as well.
	That level of disorder promotion, isn't that tending towards... I mean, was it C.S.
	Lewis who said the greatest success the devil ever had was convincing the world he didn't exist?
	Yes, well I think that that is absolutely true.
	Right, but these things are tending towards evil.
	When you deny the reality of a man is a man forever and a woman is a woman forever, that way lies perdition and damnation, does it not, when you question those things?
	Yes, and not only that, I'll go beyond that.
	I would go beyond that to say that when you deny that the central telos or purpose of sex is the Bringing together of male and female in creation, in the act of creation and the act of love.
	When you deny that, the purpose of things, then you've lost your way because you have no way to judge good from bad, misuse from use, order from disorder.
	However, having done that, having done those things, we could be having conversations about the fact, let's say, And say someone is born gay or is a gay person and another person is a gay person, is there a place for them to live in happiness without hurting anybody and without hurting themselves and without degrading themselves?
	And I think that's a discussion you have.
	That is a discussion that two honest, honorable people can have.
	But we can still say, recognizing the fact that they are sinners living in sin.
	Yeah, but that's true of all of us.
	Correct.
	So all I've ever said about that, and I've never said, oh, it's not a sin, it is a sin.
	What I've said, it's not my sin.
	It's not my, and I have so many.
	You've got enough.
	So I think the real problem that you're getting at here, and it's an important problem because I think this conversation that we're having is not being had anywhere else.
	No.
	And we're living in a state of insanity.
	The state of insanity is that There is no major outlet where people can have the conversation we're having and say, well look, sex is for a certain thing, but are there ancillary purposes where it can be used harmlessly, or are there not?
	Is there a way to handle disorders in the normal sexual path?
	of human beings so that people are treated well and have happy lives or is there not?
	There's no place we can debate those things because they immediately declare you're hateful if you don't follow their obviously wrong-headed path.
	At this point, I've kind of come up in the last, I think it was this weekend, I've come up to this kind of realization, I just ignore them.
	Well, I've been doing that all my life.
	Does it work for you?
	You know, it's hilarious.
	Until recently, when I went to school at Berkeley.
	I really went to school in the belly of the beast.
	I had no idea.
	I had no idea what was going on.
	I was the radio news director.
	This is an absolutely true story.
	The radio was arranged in hours where each race had an hour.
	Are you kidding?
	No.
	So I didn't even pay attention to it.
	I had no idea what was going on.
	And one day, an enormously large Native American, I would have said Indian then, I'd probably say Indian now to be honest, was towering over me and he said to me, why should you be doing, a white man, be doing news on the Native American hour?
	And I said, get the hell out of my newsroom.
	There's no white or red news.
	There's just news.
	And he laughed so hard he became a good friend because I wasn't paid.
	But he was serious to begin with.
	He was serious to begin with.
	And you just blew him out of the water when he said, sorry, this is garbage.
	Yeah.
	That's fabulous.
	And I managed to live like that for most of my life.
	It is only now that I find myself, you know, that I cannot speak to people.
	They won't let me speak to them if I don't hold their opinions.
	That wasn't true for a large part of my life.
	I ignored feminism my whole life.
	I thought it was ridiculous, so I just didn't pay any attention to it.
	You know, if you were a feminist, every now and again some woman would scream at me for opening the door for her, but I could live with that.
	Guys, it's really useful.
	Try it.
	It's easy for me.
	I've been in the arena.
	They've called me, despite my dad helping his fellow schoolmates to school with the yellow Star of David on them, protecting them in occupied Hungary.
	Despite that, they've called me, my wife, Nazis, fascists, you name it.
	Just ignore them.
	Just laugh at them.
	If you want to be in the arena to save this country, Do what he does.
	He's Andrew Clavin.
	Listen to his podcast.
	Okay, we've got you in studio.
	I love the one-to-one.
	I'm a big fan of John Batchelor for me.
	He's the master of long form.
	I'm trying to slightly emulate what he does.
	God bless you, John.
	I'm gonna exploit you.
	On air, right now.
	I want you to help me with a big problem.
	And this is an issue that I've had with, honestly, with my children.
	Who say, you're so good at what you do, you're good speaking publicly, you've got a massive audience, but you need to be less aggressive.
	You need to dial down the MAGA and America First, and you need to be reaching out to the other side.
	And number one, I bristle at that.
	Number two, I don't know if I can do it.
	And number three, I think I have a role to play keeping those who are already on side.
	You know, keeping their spirits up and giving them ammunition for what is going to be a long cultural fight.
	With your experience, decades of doing this, paying the price you paid, you discussed in a recent speech the millions you could have made if you just kowtowed to Hollywood's political correctness, but you said, no, I'm not going to do it.
	Is there a role for people like me who are identified with Trumpism, with MAGA?
	Should robust conservatives try to reach out?
	Because my argument is, somebody said to me, Why don't you have Nancy Pelosi on the show?
	And I started laughing at her.
	This is the party that when I was in the White House, I'm not kidding, had senators writing to DHS to have me kicked out of the country, right?
	As an American naturalized citizen, they wanted me deported.
	So what's the point of me talking to them, Andrew?
	Yeah.
	The point you made before, when you were starting, you said, is there a role for me?
	And I think that's the right question, because of course there is.
	They frequently talk about preaching to the choir.
	The choir needs to be preached to.
	I mean, that is what keeps the choir in their stalls.
	And I think that it is important.
	Some pugilism, some aggression, I don't think is the wrong thing to do.
	Where I think we sometimes lose our way is when we stop being realistic about the political situation.
	Which is a different thing because the philosophical situation is one thing.
	The philosophy can be pure, our ideas can be pure, but in politics there's a sort of realism.
	Politics is the art of the possible.
	Right.
	And so we shouldn't, I don't think we should be on the air telling people that we're going to get everything we want and if we don't get 10% of what we want it's a loss.
	I think that that's That's where I hear, not you, oddly enough, but that's where I hear some... You mean the maximalists?
	Yes, the maximalists.
	There's no such thing as a compromise, there's no such thing.
	You know, we live in a huge country with a lot of people who disagree with us.
	We're going to have to compromise when it gets to governance.
	And the thing about governance is that What we're fighting for is the freedom to argue and compromise.
	That's what we're arguing for, right?
	And what the left is arguing for is to silence and demonize us.
	Shut us down.
	That's right.
	I mean, they never make the argument.
	I said this in a tweet today.
	They never make the argument, I disagree with you because of X. They make the argument, you can't speak because you are X. Bad.
	You are bad.
	That's right.
	You're bad.
	And so what we're trying to do is say, no, no, no, wait, come to the table, but come to the table to argue.
	I never, I will never accept an offer to debate from someone who does not know how to discuss.
	You know, that's the thing.
	I get called out all the time.
	You should come and debate.
	And I think, no, you know, I don't have to debate.
	I don't have to be in a firefight with you.
	I'm willing to discuss your ideas, but I'm not willing to have this thing where you shut me down and you call me names.
	It's useless.
	And I think that also, but I also think that you were right to begin with that people have different roles.
	And, you know, Trump is a good example.
	You know, I knew from the get-go that Trump was going to have trouble once he got into office because of his attitude.
	But I also knew that the left had created a situation where only a man with his attitude could get into office.
	And I think that, you know, you have to play the game, the cards you're dealt, you have to play in the world that you live in, and you have to live in the time that you live in.
	And we live in a time when they are trying to shut us down.
	And that sometimes takes a little bit of belligerence and a little bit of, you know, pugilistic courage.
	To make it stop.
	Do you and I have a role with the other side or with the apolitical or the less rabid people out there who don't agree with us and want to deny the role of God and faith?
	Is there an interface?
	Is there a facet that we can engage with?
	I find there is.
	I find there is certainly in private.
	I find that, you know, you have to remember that Nancy Pelosi may lead the House, but she's not a typical.
	When you go out and meet most Democrat voters, they vote that way because their fathers voted that way or because they're in a certain group or whatever.
	And then when you talk to them, they can be incredibly reasonable.
	You know, you can talk to, especially in the middle of the country.
	Forget the coast for a minute, but in the middle of the country, you find a lot of people who say, well, I don't agree with you, but that's an interesting point.
	That's a very American thing to say.
	So I'm very much in favor of that kind of dialogue.
	I'm not in favor of telling people they stink or they're evil because they disagree with me.
	I do want to meet them on that territory.
	Can I share a story with you?
	Yes.
	Just to illustrate, I don't want to counter what you said, but I want to kind of illustrate the depth of where How the seemingly, what's the word in English, in German, people who are fit for polite company, how it is diseased or infected.
	So I was at a friend's, what was it, 40th anniversary party, wedding anniversary, very small, it was in the midst of pre-COVID or post-COVID, just the beginning of it.
	So it was, you know, still Distance spaced out tables, eight couples, and everybody was hardcore conservative, except one couple who they had known each other before they were married in college.
	So 40 years ago, they knew each other, and they were friends from then invited.
	And this couple so happened to be at my table.
	And we didn't know each other so I introduced myself as we went around the beginning of the dinner and I said yes and this is what I've done and I served in the Trump White House.
	So this person knew who I was from the beginning of the dinner.
	Very successful entrepreneur in the energy and solar business, okay?
	Not a radicalized CRT professor from Columbia, okay?
	Forty minutes later in the midst of the meal, the same individual who knows my politics and where I worked, calls Trump a fascist.
	And I didn't get angry.
	I didn't get aggressive.
	I just said, you do know I worked for that man.
	And you have called everybody who worked for him a Nazi.
	And I got up from the table and I left.
	And I didn't want to cause somebody's anniversary party, but I was not going to sit there while this person did that.
	That is somebody who I'm sure thinks he's a lovely, sophisticated, modern, decent individual.
	But he just wrote off 74 million people.
	The thing you know I think when since I work so much in Hollywood the things that I think about is I think about guys like Gregory Peck one of Hollywood's great liberals being best friends with Charlton Heston one of Hollywood's great conservatives and I remember Gregory Peck when I was a kid I remember him saying I don't know why Chuck believes what he believes and I'm sure Sure, he doesn't know why I believe what I believe.
	Two of the best friends, and there's a wonderful book about this, two of the best friends in Hollywood, Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda.
	Henry Fonda, one of the real, really left-wingers out there, and Jimmy Stewart as far right as you could get, and they were great friends.
	That is the America we've lost, and this is the thing, this idea that if you don't believe... Because the left has developed this system for defining a problem and then instantly Decreeing that anyone who disagrees with their prescription is a fascist, is evil, is a racist especially.
	That's the big one.
	You're a white supremacist and all this.
	Which is hilarious because I'm not even a white admirer, you know.
	You know, I think that once you develop that system, there is no place for us to have common ground.
	And you're absolutely right.
	This guy thinks he's being a wonderful person while calling you essentially a Nazi, which to you is especially offensive because of your incredible background.
	And they just do not get it, as the left likes to say.
	They do not get it.
	When we have a country in which a right-winger and a left-winger can say, you know, I don't know why you think the things you think, but you're a good guy.
	Then we'll be on the road back to the America we know.
	And do you believe we can get back there?
	That there is a point at which 74 million people won't be deemed Nazis?
	Well, let me put it this way.
	And what does that take?
	Life is very surprising.
	Right this minute, if that happened, I'd be very surprised.
	But life can be very surprising.
	You know, you remember when Reagan took office, America was right about where it is now.
	It was really as far down as it is now.
	And when Reagan would say we can win the Cold War, people looked at him like he was the stupidest movie actor there ever was.
	And yet it was all true.
	It was all right.
	It all worked.
	We had 25 beautiful years of prosperity and peace because things turned around.
	Right now, New York is the way it is.
	When I first moved in there back in the 70s, it's a nightmare.
	It's a cesspit.
	But remember, Rudy Giuliani, single-handedly being called a racist every single day, turned it into the greatest city on Earth.
	So things are surprising.
	I would be startled but not absolutely shocked out of my mind if we could get back to a place where we can be friendly again.
	All right, let me just play one cut here which for me is indicative of the depth of the challenge we face.
	It's from the Kavanaugh hearings and it's a phraseology, a use of words that I think illustrates everything that you fight against every single day.
	Play cut.
	Because what you're doing for our nation right now, besides giving testimony germane to one of the most sacred obligations of our offices, is you are speaking truth that this country needs to understand.
	And how we deal with survivors who come forward right now is unacceptable.
	And the way we deal with this, unfortunately, allows for the continued darkness of this culture to exist.
	And your brilliance, shining light onto this, speaking your truth, is nothing short of heroic.
	Cory Booker used the phrase, your truth.
	To Christine Blasey Ford, who had accused a righteous, godly, I'll say boring guy, you look at his CV, the guy's not exactly exciting, of being a serial rapist who drugged young women before he raped them.
	At the same hearing, the woman who is now the vice president used the phrase, her truth as well.
	Andrew Clayton, there's no such thing as his or her truth, is there?
	Of course not.
	Especially not in a factual accusation like that.
	But isn't that the left's?
	It's the lived experience.
	It's the multiplicity of truths.
	That's what we're fighting.
	Of course it is.
	Of course, Pope Benedict, he had it dead right.
	I mean, we were fighting the relativism of a certain kind of philosophy that has grown up from a certain history, really has grown up from the failure of Marxism, but not to get into that forever, but it's just this idea that if you don't like Marxism, you have a false consciousness.
	It's not the fact that it ruins people's lives.
	Your consciousness is the problem.
	And that Me Too, you know, I just recently made a speech to the College Fix, that wonderful newspaper that covers college craziness.
	I made a A speech to the young people who run that, talking about the corruption of our press.
	And one of the things I talked about was this Me Too movement, in which accusations became truths until they stopped.
	Until Tara Reade accused Joe Biden, and then suddenly accusations weren't truths.
	And it wasn't, your truth wasn't the truth anymore, it just disappeared into the ether.
	The deep corruption of this philosophy, and the deep corruption that philosophy allows, should be A red flag to everybody because ultimately everybody gets caught up in it.
	When you start talking about, when you start saying that every society has its own morality, which by the way simply isn't true.
	I mean almost all societies have ideas of fairness, they all have ideas of honesty, they all have kind of similar ideas but with slight differences in all this.
	When you start saying that, though, you are on the road to perdition.
	You want to talk about evil.
	That's how you get to evil.
	See, that's how you get to evil without being evil.
	And that's why I actually do believe in the devil.
	I think that when you say the devil's greatest trick was convincing us he doesn't exist, you don't have to be evil to wind up in hell.
	You know, all you have to do is grab hold of a lie and start to walk down that dishonest road.
	And relativism is the great lie of our age.
	It's the lie behind all of this stuff about men aren't men and women aren't women.
	All of that is about this relativistic idea that your internal world is the world.
	Your internal world, which I think matters, I think it matters a great deal, is in dialogue with creation.
	Your internal world is in a dialogue with creation.
	If you follow that dialogue, you will be led to not just the person you want to be, But you'll be led to the person God wants you to be, which is a much better deal.
	I mean, it's a much better thing.
	When Jesus said, lose your life and you'll find your life, that's what he was talking about.
	He was talking about leaving behind those desires and those things we think we want, and those little voice whispers we want, and finding the person who we're supposed to be, which is different than the person we want to be.
	Are you, Andrew Klaver, are you an optimist?
	I am.
	I think I truly am.
	Don't all Christians have to be optimists?
	I think you'd become one, yeah.
	Don't you have to, by definition?
	Because you know that all things work to the good for those who love God.
	Well, I mean, we've won, right?
	You know, you've got the spoiler alert.
	That's true.
	And it does become, it's weird when you look over history.
	Sometimes people make the mistake of thinking that because something good followed something bad, the bad was eradicated.
	The evil is never eradicated.
	However, God has this peculiar talent for bringing good out of evil.
	And I do believe that when we see things face-to-face, when we're in the place where we can see things clearly, what we'll see is that, not that the evil goes away, but the evil becomes part of a good story in some ways that we didn't comprehend.
	And so I'm always optimistic.
	As I say, I've seen things turn around from really deep I've seen people despair in this country and in New York City.
	I've seen them turn around and become absolutely spectacular.
	I don't see why that shouldn't happen.
	It's all about ideas.
	See, this is the thing.
	We're all so flawed.
	We're all so sinful.
	We're all so broken.
	But it's got to be about the ideas.
	It has got to be about people hooking on to good ideas, because those good ideas can take you to good places.
	Whereas I say, once you hook on to the lie, once you're what they call a child of the lie, you are going to wind up in a very dark place.
	So, I didn't know until I listened to a recent interview of yours that you were originally a professional hobo.
	What was my ambition?
	Your ambition was to one day be a hobo.
	You just traveled America and you saw America in all its beauty and otherwise.
	Given that experience, given that you are a professional storyteller, Given that you're a man of faith who loves this nation, will you tell us your balance sheet of the last year and a half when you look at your fellow Americans' response to the China virus?
	As a man who chose this nation, who truly believes that it is the greatest nation on God's earth, I am horrified.
	I'm disgusted.
	I'm dismayed.
	And ultimately, I'm saddened that there wasn't, apart from the, I mean, the sporadic, maybe a dozen stories here and there of civil disobedience of this restaurant owner in California saying, damn it, no, I'm going to feed my staff and we're staying open.
	The vast majority of Americans just genuflected at the altar of Fauci and gave in.
	Given how much you know America, were you surprised?
	I was surprised.
	I was not only surprised at that, I'll be honest with you, I was surprised at how bad our government, how badly our government behaved.
	I did not expect, you know, I understood that they were afraid at first, that the things we didn't know, they have these scenarios that they run in their head about what we're going to do in a pandemic and they kind of put them all into Yes.
	without really understanding what was going on.
	I was startled by the wickedness of people like Gretchen Whitmer saying, you know, you can't go to church.
	Gavin Newsom in California, where I was.
	And I was deeply, deeply saddened by the reaction of the churches.
	I was deeply saddened that the churches closed.
	And, you know, when John MacArthur kept his church open, they harassed him.
	They attacked him.
	They called him names.
	And he kept that church open.
	I I had him on my podcast, and I said, why are you doing this?
	And he said, I'm not here to save you from the flu.
	I'm here to save you from eternal damnation.
	And that's kind of the point I want to get to, what I think we're dealing with.
	is a loss of faith in the supernatural.
	And by the supernatural, I don't mean magical things that happen in Lord of the Rings.
	By the supernatural, what I mean is another order of meaning besides this physical world.
	We all know it's there.
	This is the thing that kills me, Sebastian.
	We all know it's there.
	We all know that if you give a beggar bread, that is a good thing, that has a good level of meaning.
	And if you kick a child, that has a bad meaning.
	We know there's a supernatural level of meaning.
	We don't know where it comes from.
	We know where.
	You and I know where it comes from, but people know...
	Scientists know where it comes from.
	It didn't evolve.
	We evolved to be able to see it just like we evolved to be able to see light and hear noise.
	But that is the thing that people have lost their belief in.
	So we've come to a place where people don't die young anymore, you know, really.
	Very few people die in childhood.
	It used to be 50% of kids died.
	Now it's something in this country like 1% less than that.
	We don't have wars anymore.
	Big world wars.
	And we don't have pandemics like we used to have.
	And so people have... And this one isn't one.
	I'm sorry.
	And this one isn't.
	It's not the Spanish flu.
	Of course not.
	But also, because things have gotten so much better, we have lost that need we have to find meaning in the supernatural.
	And we think... And then when we are challenged with death, with pandemic, with disease, People just collapsed.
	They forgot.
	They forgot that it's all about death.
	We were always going to die.
	And no matter how long we live, we eventually will die.
	And there's something more important.
	One politician, and I don't remember his name, got on and said, there are more important things than death.
	You know, there are things worse than death.
	The left made fun of him.
	What could be worse?
	Remember Andrew Cuomo going, it's death, you're dead, there's nothing, it's worse, it's the worst.
	I thought, no, no, losing your freedom is worse than death.
	We always knew this.
	Losing your grace, losing your honor, losing your morality, all those things are worse than death.
	And so we really did lose that idea that used to be exemplified by the paintings of Mary Magdalene, the sinful woman.
	Contemplating a skull there must be a million of them in museums around the world I've seen you know this this is just for a moment where we are here This is just for a moment.
	We have to remember Better and bigger things and that's that's why when you've started we started this conversation talking about God That's why I think the conversation has to come back to God and we shouldn't be afraid to say look I will I will have this argument on terms of reason But I won't have it on terms of a sort of prejudiced response against the supernatural, because I can virtually prove that you do believe in the supernatural, no matter what you think.
	When you look at the Witmers, when you look at the Newsoms and the Bidens and the Fauci's and the Walensky's, who's just one of the worst, I mean really, masking children, when we have a 0.05 mortality rate for children, that's just unconscionable.
	Do you have a sense of why they're doing it?
	Because the one easy explanation is risk aversion.
	Because they have no faith, everything has to be minimal risk.
	And the other, which is gaining popularity on the right, is, you know, this is the prepping for the great reset, and this is just going to, this is preparing the battlefield for full-blown Orwellian, not Aldous Huxley, but Orwellian dictatorship in America.
	Do you have a sense of why they're being so wicked?
	Yeah, I think one of the biggest problems we have, and maybe the central problem we have in terms of governance, not in terms of our souls and in terms of our logic, but in terms of governance, is a complete disaffection between the elite class and the ordinary man.
	Disaffection or disconnection?
	Disconnection.
	That's a better word.
	You're right.
	That's a better word.
	Disconnection.
	They don't believe in us anymore.
	They don't believe that we are the point of it anymore.
	They think that they're the point and they think this is a global connection.
	I love when people say, "Amazon.com is a private company so they have the right to censor books." This company has more money and power than most countries.
	Most countries are not as rich as Amazon.com.
	Of course it has no right to silent speech.
	Of course it doesn't.
	And yet this global elite Has failed at almost everything.
	Everything they touch turns to crap.
	I mean, when you look at their cities, when you look at San Francisco, you look at LA, you look at Chicago, you look at New York, you think, what convinces you that you are superior to me?
	That you can tell me not to wear a mask and then go out to dinner with your friends without a mask?
	What convinces you of that?
	But they are convinced of it.
	There's no question about it.
	And they do not understand that Our lives, our right to wake up in the morning and say, you know, I think I'll do X instead of Y. I think I will believe Y instead of Z. All of those things are more important than their big plan for our lives.
	So they really just think they're an untouchable elite?
	They think, well, you know, I think what they really think is they know they failed and they're afraid we're going to show up with torches outside their house.
	So they're pretending they were idiots, you know.
	They see an insurrection in that kind of rhubarb in the Capitol.
	They see an insurrection because they're expecting an insurrection and because In some ways, they deserve an insurrection, and they know it.
	We've been incredibly patient with them.
	You know, the other way of looking at this about COVID is, we did everything they told us to do.
	15 days to slow the spread, okay.
	You know, wear a mask, okay.
	None of it did any good.
	It was worse.
	Their plans were worse, and that's why people started to get upset about it.
	If they had any kind of humility at all if they had any kind of self-awareness at all if they owned a mirror I call them elites without mirrors because I think if they owned a mirror That's good look in the mirror and think you know what maybe the people know better than I do Maybe each individual acting on his own will come to a better outcome than me decreeing from above.
	I mean, they call themselves progressives, but it seems to me they want to progress back to the days of the pharaohs.
	And I think that the only really radical political idea that anyone has ever had is that people should run their own lives.
	- Yeah. - You know? - Last question I'm gonna ask to everybody that we have these new one-on-one with is your advice, 'cause we have millions of listeners on the radio show plus all the other video and podcast possibilities.
	When people ask me for advice, wherever I am, whatever demographic, whatever age group, I say a couple of easy things.
	Read more.
	Pick up a bloody book.
	Okay, switch the phone off for an hour a day and read something that actually has pages, ideally that was written a few hundred years ago.
	That's even better.
	On top of that, you know, ask yourself in the morning what you're going to do for God and this nation.
	And at the end of the day, ask yourself, did you achieve it?
	That's the kind of advice I think applies to anybody.
	What advice would you give to our listeners and viewers?
	The main advice that I have for people, because I get these questions all the time, how do I do this and how do I do that?
	What they really mean is how do I do it without consequence?
	Yeah.
	At Yale, my son went to Yale, and they have a chapel there.
	There's a Marian chapel in one of the Catholic churches, and it has a statue, and on the statue it says in Latin, do right, fear nothing.
	That's my advice, especially to young people.
	To go into a college class and lie for a good grade is to give away the most important thing you have.
	To kowtow to your boss because you're afraid you're going to be penalized and say things that aren't true.
	You know, that's who you are.
	The words that come out of your mouth, the actions that you take.
	I think we, you know, one of the problems I have with the right is sometimes we are unkind in the name of truth.
	Speak the truth kindly, speak the truth with compassion, speak the truth with feeling for your fellow human beings, your fellow sinners, but speak the truth.
	I mean, do not, do not keep your head down and think like I can get away with lying because it'll all be alright.
	I couldn't agree with you more.
	But isn't it easy for you and I to say that?
	Because we are where we are.
	We make money out of speaking the truth, which is beautiful, right?
	But when you're that 19-year-old kid in that English class at Berkeley, isn't it cheap and easy for us?
	Well, you know, I say it, first of all, as a person who did give away millions of dollars, because I wouldn't tell the people in Hollywood, you know, yes, the Muslims are being picked on, or yes, George W. Bush is an idiot, whatever they wanted me to say at that point.
	But I do agree with you, and what I'm not saying is stick your head in the cannon's mouth.
	That's not what I'm not saying.
	There are ways to be strategic.
	There are ways to not operate alone.
	There are ways to say, you know, I'm not going to stand up alone, but I'm going to gather together people, and we'll all stand up together.
	We'll take class actions.
	But to simply say, I'm going to keep my head down and get by at every opportunity, eventually you will have lost your courage and your honor.
	And so it's not that you shouldn't be strategic and it's not that you should, you know, everything is a fight and everything is going to be a duke out.
	It's just that quietly, you know, carefully, strategically move forward in the truth.
	Because if you don't, you're lost.
	And each of us, you know, we talk about the culture.
	And whenever we talk about the culture, we talk about the movies, or novels, or you know, whatever is the going thing.
	But the culture is in your hands.
	You know, the culture is in each person's hands.
	Because each of us, the way we behave with our children.
	You know, If you cheat on your spouse, that's a desecration of the culture.
	If you tell your kids you're one thing but you're actually something else, that's a desecration of the culture.
	Everybody's building the culture every single day.
	And I think that if you don't build it in truth and you don't build it in whatever virtue you can muster, you are really doing a bad thing for the country in general.
	And I think that that's why when I say do right, fear nothing, I don't mean be stupid, I don't mean grab everything as a fight, but I do mean that ultimately you should be moving in the direction of the truth.
	There's another good reason to do that, guys.
	It's not just because it's the right thing to do.
	When you don't do the right thing and you do so out of fear, you're actually damaging your soul.
	A part of your soul actually dies when you do that.
	And the more you do it, the more you destroy your soul.
	So do right and fear nothing.
	Andrew, I want to say that since I moved to America, Thinking I was escaping socialism in Europe in the year 2008 when it arrived here.
	Two people have kept me more sane than anybody else and that's Chris Plant in the morning with his humor on WMAL and you with your podcast every afternoon.
	God bless you Andrew for doing what you do.
	God bless you.
	It's good to be in the fight with you.
	A lot of fun.
	Guys, listen to this man, subscribe to his podcast, read his books and follow him on Twitter.

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