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S04E27 - THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF SEPTEMBER 11TH

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	Oh say can you live from New York?
	It's Get Off My Lawn with Kevin McGuinness.
	welcome to the 20th anniversary episode of 9-11 It's a well no, it's the 20th anniversary of 9-11 episode.
	That's better Yeah, it's tomorrow September 11th where we will be partying in Vegas so let's focus on tomorrow like it's today because the 20th anniversary is never coming around again as you know I was in New York at the time we're going to talk about my personal experience that day we'll read letters from you guys I told you last night to send letters about your 9-11 experience we might make that the focus here and
	proceeded to rip off the family it's smatterings it's up there with spider bites and innocent blacks shot by cops for no reason it's in the it's in the single digits but with san bernardino uh we got what,
	nine?
	Westside Highway killer.
	We got eight.
	I talked about this on another show.
	Pulse shooting, I think, was 49 dead.
	And then, of course, we have this, which was 3,000 dead.
	So if we're talking about a threat, let's have a look at Islam.
	This would be fun to.
	Killed 330 in the last decade.
	Okay.
	Doesn't hold a candle to Islam.
	Add a zero when you have Islam.
	And that's...
	They have to do last decade, right?
	Because they can't include 9-11.
	I guarantee you, and we will.
	We'll do that for you.
	We'll go through those 330 and I'll find you actual.
	Like, they have to go around the world to get their numbers up.
	They'll talk about the guy who shot up the mosque in New Zealand, the Church Christ.
	Yes, that is one.
	Then there's that guy, that weird Nordic Northern European guy.
	He was shooting mostly liberals, though.
	But sure, we'll give you that one.
	I'll even throw in Dylan Roof.
	September 11th sale.
	Dylan Roof, free in your white nationalist tally.
	Anyway, the real problem with America, of course, is socialism.
	K through 12 brainwashing our youth into hating this country, sabotaging the family.
	This event changed me so much.
	I focused too much on Islam and too little on socialist brainwashing, Antifa, socialism in general, the radicalization of the left and how it's hurting our country.
	This looks like those little squares you put on the screen, but you centered it wrong.
	All right.
	Let's take that down.
	So if you've read my book, Death of Kuhl, you already know this story.
	I'll try to make it new.
	Here's something new I was thinking about the event of 9-11.
	It really was the middle class being rescued by the working class.
	Middle class naivete and blue-collar realism.
	Blue-collar realism saved the day.
	Archie Bunker saved Meathead's ass.
	Allow me to explain.
	I'm not saying the people in those towers were culpable, obviously.
	I'm not even going to say but because I don't want that linked.
	In America, there is this fear of being called racist.
	It's the worst thing you can do.
	And that goes back to the K through 12 and the brainwashing.
	So we have weak borders, and we also don't want to appear racist.
	So if we see something suspicious, like two homos, they were homos, by the way.
	Did you know that?
	Who?
	Muhammad Atta and the other guy were known as the Homos, I think, in Al-Qaeda Taliban stuff.
	They probably realized that they can't live a normal life, so they probably wanted to die.
	But there is plenty of evidence to show that they were a couple.
	Anyway, they're going to flight school, and they're suspicious.
	Why are Muslims going to flight school that can barely speak English?
	What's their background?
	Now, I think it might even be Joe Biggs, his previous father-in-law, his ex-wife's father.
	I think.
	I'm not sure.
	But I know a dude who knows a dude who's playing a black dude and was playing another dude.
	And this is important because, yeah, it would be important if he was a white nationalist, but any other group.
	No, it's not important.
	But anyway, he worked at the flight school that they were taught at, and he suspected something, but he didn't want to come across as racist, so he let it go.
	So it was that liberal open borders, liberal naivete, fear of being called racist that helped get them there, right?
	It wasn't 100% responsible, but that's a factor.
	And then who goes in and saves all these rich people?
	Like, that's another thing.
	3,000 people died, yes.
	But thousands more were saved.
	The cops got in there and evacuated the building.
	I've only ever heard Juliani say this, that thousands of lives were saved that day.
	And thousands of lives were saved by the police getting in there, helping to evacuate the building, and FDNY also getting in there, helping to evacuate the building, saving thousands of lives, probably 10,000 lives.
	Blue collars saving rich people.
	And these are the ones that they call racist and closed-minded.
	You can pull up, it doesn't have to be the flag the whole show.
	You should be pulling up video of stuff, although it's probably going to get distracting.
	So there's a fresh angle on it, in case you've already heard this story a million times.
	But the night before, September 10th, actually, this goes to September 11th because we partied till the wee hours.
	I was with my best pal, who has since disowned me, Derek Beckles, African-American Canadian, I guess is a politically correct term.
	And we were doing Coke and partying.
	I just met my wife.
	She was my girlfriend, obviously, at the time.
	And it was one of the funnest nights of my life.
	We were doing karaoke.
	It was Andrew W.K., Matt Sweeney, me and Derek, I think Melissa Oftermar, celebrity-pact thing.
	And it's funny because Matt Sweeney is like a studio musician.
	When you do karaoke with those kind of guys, they're fucking good.
	That sounded like me doing a Gavin McKinnis impression.
	They're fucking good, guy.
	And I'd look over at Matt Sweeney and I'd be doing like, dear God, doody bad.
	And he'd be like, yeah.
	Maintain, maintain, maintain.
	No, down, too high, too high, down, down, yeah.
	And they'll chorus, chorus.
	Yeah.
	Dear God.
	I would never choose that song, but that just popped into my head.
	Having a gay old time.
	Of course, the Coke runs out, the booze runs out, they kick you out around, I don't know, 2.30.
	That was a real trend back then, was karaoke.
	We did it every Friday.
	And I was the only one, I was the Larry David of the group who would make sure people pay.
	I told you about that lying Jap bitch, right?
	Because the problem with people leaving is the only honest, organized people are stuck there with the bill, and you end up paying $100.
	And then it's like, I pay $100.
	The bill's $300.
	So say everyone's supposed to pay $20, and then me and the other two honest people end up paying like $80 each.
	So then those two honest people say, I'm not coming anymore.
	It's not worth it.
	I'm not paying $80.
	And then the next time, you're left two honest people.
	So now you are paying $120.
	So the fuckers who don't pay their share, they're ruining it.
	The whole tradition for everyone.
	I can't believe I'm talking about this on September 11th when 3,000 innocent people were murdered by Islamists.
	So I would make sure everyone paid.
	And I'd explain the rules of karaoke very clearly.
	If you're in the room, you're paying.
	The second you walk through, if you walk in that door, pick up a napkin and walk out, you're paying.
	If you don't sing one song, you're paying.
	Okay?
	It's like a dinner bill.
	I hate when these fucking AA people come in and they go, you had Hennessy and I just had water.
	Then you shouldn't have come to dinner with me.
	We're all footing the...
	I'm not going to sit here and parse through who paid what.
	This is why I never go to dinner with more than three people.
	Four people.
	Sorry.
	Massive tangents going on here.
	I have to even get back to one of the tangents, which isn't even the original story.
	So this is a totally different night, but this very hot chick named Jamie was a rich Jew.
	And my Jewish friend, Leslie Arfin, was like, oh, God, that rich chick.
	You know the term Jewish American princess.
	They tormented me when I was in Long Island, on Long Island as a kid in high school because I was poor and they were rich and they'd always look down at me and laugh at me.
	And she's very pretty, the Jamie chick.
	So I'm already kind of mad.
	I'm like, oh, we have a mean girl.
	And now she hangs out with Leslie because of vice.
	Leslie's in the in crowd now.
	So now she'll come back.
	The same girl that was laughing at her.
	Now I was like, no, that's not how it works.
	So I had my eye on her as a fuck you.
	And I'm watching her like a hawk at the end of the night.
	And she just flitters away.
	So we go to this shitty bar called Mars Bar, which was the most disgusting bar in the world.
	When I say I'm looking for a dive bar, you have to understand my background is places like Mars Bar where there was cockroaches in the toilet walking on the shit and the syringes and stuff.
	Is that Mars Bar?
	Disgusting place.
	So I go in there and so I realize she didn't pay and I'm so fucking mad and I go, I'm just going to go there because I had to stay back to pay for all the bills and make sure everything was cool.
	I go, I'm just going to go there and I'm just going to say, you owe me 20 bucks and everything will be fine.
	And maybe there's a misunderstanding.
	But if she fucking lies to me, I'm going to snap like a twig.
	So I walk in and they go, Jamie, kind of a mix-up with the bill there.
	Did you pay your bill?
	And she goes, yeah, yeah.
	Oh, because I was there with the people who run the place.
	She goes, oh, I paid the bouncer.
	And then I snapped.
	And I went, I'm not going to say it too loud, but I went, you lying, jabbit.
	And then the bouncer grabbed me and ripped me out of the bar.
	And my wife was furious at me for making it racial, whatever that means.
	And I was talking to a buddy of mine about it.
	And I go, should I feel bad about this?
	And he goes, well, let's just do the math.
	Was she lying?
	Yes.
	Is she Jewish?
	Yes.
	Is she American?
	Yes.
	Is she a princess?
	Yes.
	Is she a bitch?
	Yes.
	What are you worried about?
	So this was not one of those nights.
	Everyone paid their bills, had a fantastic time.
	We get back to my apartment at 174 Ludlow, above Max Fish.
	And I guess we hang out there for a bit.
	I don't even sleep on my bed.
	We're so wasted.
	He just passes out on the floor.
	Derek always had trouble keeping up with me.
	I guess he's Caribbean and Hispanic.
	I guess those people don't have the same kind of training that us Scottish people have.
	Not that I should be bragging.
	I slept sitting up or lying down on the couch.
	Like imagine you're sitting on a couch and then you pass out.
	So my wife is not with us.
	She was there for the partying, but for some reason she didn't come back with us.
	I don't know why.
	She was my girlfriend at the time.
	And she starts banging on our door.
	She didn't even have a key yet.
	We're both so groggy.
	What the fuck?
	It's like 9 a.m.
	And she goes, turn on the TV.
	Open the door.
	Turn on the TV.
	I had a tiny apartment.
	It was $1,700 a month, which in 2001 was a lot of dough.
	And it was, I don't know, it was about the size of Ryan's office.
	No, it was twice the size of Ryan's office.
	So we turn on the TV and we see smoke coming from one of the towers.
	That's it.
	And then Derek sits up.
	Oh, this will be a new addendum that's not in the book.
	And he goes, what the fuck?
	My mom's in there.
	And then I'm so freaked out, all of a sudden, my heart starts pounding.
	And if you're Scottish and you're freaking out, first thing you do is fart.
	That's our, we're like squids.
	That's our release.
	So without thinking, I'm sitting there in my underwear and I just go, staring at the TV, releasing noxious gas.
	Remember, in the mornings, it's pre-shit, so the farts are at their very worst.
	You got to actually be careful because they could end up being shit.
	And I just cover him in Agent Orange.
	So he's obviously furious.
	He's worried about the death of his mother.
	And he just starts pounding me, Charlie horsing me in the leg, which I had coming.
	I'm like, ow, ow, calm down.
	Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	We shake away the fart.
	And then we pull on our pants and we go up to my roof, which you could perfectly see the Twin Towers.
	This is my wife.
	Do you have the picture?
	This picture in the book.
	I can't find the fucking original right now.
	Remove me.
	Zoom out.
	So yeah, that's her on the phone, and she's trying to call her mother.
	There's no cell phone reception.
	And as you can see, I think only one of the towers is smoking there.
	Pretty intense, huh?
	We had a lot of parties on that roof.
	What are you doing?
	What the fuck did you do?
	Why'd you do that?
	I pressed a fade button and I had something else in queue.
	Ah.
	So we get up on the roof and it's a strange compulsion where we want to watch the news and hear what the fuck's going on, but we also want to see it live.
	Not in a voyeuristic way.
	There was no like, yeah.
	Although my buddy Trevor Simser, he was on Avenue B and there was Puerto Ricans watching it across the way on another roof, and they were screaming, yeah, bomb that shit, nigga, bomb that shit.
	Doesn't that say a lot about Puerto Ricans and their loyalty to America?
	Like, you people just don't feel like you're part of this country.
	That's not true.
	More so than any other Hispanic.
	Really?
	Yes.
	I guess you sign up for the military more.
	There's no passport needed.
	Those are just hood trash.
	I mean, they're raised in a niggish type of zone.
	Niggish type zone.
	Yeah, they're not dancing to salsa and shit.
	They're fucking just street trash.
	Like Rudy Fleming.
	Puerto Ricans are very proud to be American.
	Okay, simmer down.
	Jeez.
	So we're watching in awe.
	And, you know, to be honest, in my memory, I have trouble separating what I saw with my own eyes, which was definitely the first tower in the smoke, and what I saw on TV.
	I am 99% sure I saw the second plane hit the tower with my own eyes and not on TV.
	But at any rate, millions of others did, not millions of others.
	Hundreds and maybe thousands of others saw the second plane go in.
	But our attitude then was just a crazy fire.
	There's a gas leak.
	It's the worst fire in the history of buildings.
	Things are not going to get worse.
	I hope no one dies in there.
	They'll go out.
	They'll go down the stairs and we'll all be okay.
	Wow, what a horrible fire.
	This will be known as the Great WTC fire of September 11th, 2001.
	Now, the World Trade Center has been attacked by Islamists before.
	And the thing I resent is the lack of bigotry.
	Like, to be an Islamophobe is a horrible thing in this country.
	Why?
	I'm phobic of Islam.
	I've noticed in cities where Muslims become more than 10% of the population, there's trouble.
	Luton is a shithole.
	It's gone.
	It looks like Pakistan, which sucks.
	Birmingham, UK is gone.
	Ozzy's birthplace is done.
	This was 93, the 93 bombing.
	Oh, really?
	I wonder how many died there.
	Can you look that up?
	Yep.
	So can we be a little bit phobic, please?
	Like, I listen to Howard Stern, when he talks about Germany, he still has this disdain for that country because of World War II and what they did to the Jews.
	And no one faults him for it.
	Why are New Yorkers faulted for being wary of Islam after these attacks?
	Oh, you want to hurt Muslim kids?
	You want to grab someone's burqa?
	No, obviously not.
	But as a group, I'm wary of them when it comes to immigration.
	Indians killed victims.
	That's a weird way to put it.
	That sounds like bad grammar.
	Shouldn't it be deaths?
	Killed victims.
	One, two, three, four, five, six.
	And did we catch the guy?
	So I'm phobic of Islam.
	Now, I've learned I was a little too phobic.
	As far as damage to America goes and deaths, I would say that Antifa and radical Islam pose similar threats.
	They're similarly bad for America.
	White nationalism is non-existent.
	And I would link socialism in there with Antifa.
	So we're watching it go back and forth.
	And then when we're on the roof, we start seeing them collapse.
	And that was unfathomable to us.
	I mean, I've never seen that before.
	Now, this theory that there was thermite, explosive pack, and with all these conspiracy theories, I go, why?
	What's the motive?
	I know why terrorists would want to attack the World Trade Center.
	I know they went to flight school.
	I know why they'd want to have three major catastrophes, the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and then that other one where they said, let's roll, that had to be shot down.
	Well, that's one conspiracy theory I will say.
	I'll get that in a sec, though.
	That went down in the middle of nowhere.
	Seven, Building Seven?
	Where he said we had to pull it?
	Or Building 3 or something like that, where the owner said we had to pull it.
	I'm talking about the other plane, dude.
	There was the plane that hit the Pentagon, the two planes that hit the World Trade Center, and there was a third plane where they...
	Pennsylvania.
	One story is that the guys on the plane said, let's roll.
	And they took it down and they crashed it so it wouldn't crash into anyone.
	I don't believe that.
	I remember that day.
	I remember watching the news and I remember talk of it getting shot down.
	My mother-in-law also remembers talk of a missile shoot at a missile, whatever, some sort of military takedown where they said, looks like we're going to have to just take it down.
	It'll save more lives than letting it crash into an urban center.
	And then, you know, the next day, we got into let's roll.
	So I'll give you that conspiracy theory.
	But the first one of just they secretly planted all these explosives so they could justify a war in Iraq.
	The problem with that theory is the government doesn't wait to justify shit.
	They don't give a fuck what we think.
	Did we want to be in Afghanistan for 20 years?
	No, we didn't.
	The government doesn't care.
	We wanted, talk to military guys, you know, I'd say 70% of the population.
	They go, all right, get in, get out, make a fireworks display, but I don't want our guys there for decades trying to save a country.
	It's unsalvageable.
	They have totally different values than us.
	And that's what Buchanan talks about in Death of the West.
	He says, They see death as a win.
	We see death as a loss.
	We see freedom as a top priority.
	For them, it's like number 32 on the list.
	So how are we going to reconcile those two groups?
	As I said last week, it's like going to the South and showing everyone how to dress like a hipster, how to have a big curly mustache, how to be a barista, how to wear a vest and skinny jeans.
	And then saying, you got it?
	You got it?
	Okay?
	Paying everyone to dress like that and then leaving.
	What do they do?
	They go back to Monster Trucks that afternoon.
	You can't change people.
	You can't change cultures.
	So I don't believe that...
	Do you believe that Tower 7 was sabotage?
	I don't know.
	Let's see your face.
	I just know that I don't know.
	I can't really say how nefarious a government could be that it would kill its own citizens for whatever reason.
	Well, I do believe that George Bush ignored a Saudi threat because the Saudi Arabians are valuable to him.
	I do believe that Saudi Arabia was funding Osama bin Laden and funded this thing.
	And I do believe that they covered up Saudi Arabia's influence with this because they don't want to jeopardize expensive and profitable, I should say, relationships.
	I'll give you that.
	So you could say that using my perspective that George W. Bush was responsible in that he was negligent.
	I'll give you that.
	And that sort of thing has happened before, according to Alex Jones.
	So things like that make me think that.
	Yeah, he was like, I don't want to rock the boat.
	What's going to happen?
	They're not going to attack the World Trade Center.
	And then when they did, he went, oh, shit.
	Now, you can't have not an opinion on this, Ryan.
	This is an opinion show.
	Well, I was...
	I thought, you know, when I was younger, a couple years after it happened, and I saw the conspiracy videos, I was like, yeah, 100%.
	That was an inside job and all that stuff.
	But I've learned to kind of criticize and take all that with a grain of salt, too, because you can connect all the dots you want.
	So it's just that I don't have enough information and people that are in the government come out and they whistleblow and they're like, yeah, we had drills.
	So you don't have an opinion on it?
	My opinion is I wish I knew for sure, but there seems to be a lot of...
	I mean, how could you be so confident about knowing?
	Because I've looked into it quite a bit.
	Me too, but I'm just left with a bunch of info saying everything's as if it's.
	So what did they do?
	They had explosives?
	Do they add explosives to Tower 7 and then detonate them?
	Yeah, that I don't...
	I'm not, I don't really follow that, but like letting it happen and there was like the, there was drills.
	What are they called?
	They're called...
	The Air Force was doing drills for this exact same terrorist event before this happened.
	What's their motive?
	Why are they blowing up a building?
	To allow it to happen to get into a war.
	Like the Gulf of Tonkin or letting Pearl Harbor.
	They don't hate a Pearl Harbor.
	They just go to war.
	I don't know.
	Look at Afghanistan, 20 years.
	The reason why Vietnam ended is because it was unpopular.
	That's what a lot of people say.
	That's the main story.
	It was unpopular here.
	No, we realized it's unwinnable and we said, let's just fucking pull out.
	This is not working.
	Anyway, let me get back to my story.
	So the whole sky is gray.
	It's like Pompeii.
	We can't see the sun or anything.
	It's like a man-made cloudy day.
	And it's very haunting.
	But this was a new New York.
	This was a Giuliani, New York.
	And the parasites had been slapped around, thrown in jail, taught that there's law and order in the world.
	That New York's gone.
	And it wasn't there before Giuliani, before Giuliani, we had the blackout of, I don't know when it was, the 80s.
	That blackout, there was innumerable rapes, robbery, murder, looting.
	The blackout of 2004 was one of the funnest nights of my life.
	And bars were handing out booze, people were dancing in the streets, fire hydrants.
	I didn't hear about any rapes, robberies.
	It was just a cool party.
	That's also a chapter in my book.
	Barbecues, because everyone knew their shit was going to rot.
	They knew the power wasn't going on anytime soon.
	So they were just barbecuing, having a gay old time.
	It was awesome.
	And that was because New York needs law and order.
	Maybe other places don't.
	You know, I've heard Paloma, Texas has so many guns that the police don't really have to do their job because there's nothing going on.
	New York's not Texas.
	And without law and order, this place turns into a fucking zoo with hyenas attacking people.
	No, that's not a zoo.
	A jungle.
	A fucking jungle.
	I don't wear my Rolex in the city anymore.
	And I certainly don't have headphones and I don't look at my phone.
	I look at people.
	And they look at me too, like, you want to fucking go?
	And I say, yes, I do with my eyes.
	And they go, ah, fuck it.
	Anyways, this was Good New York.
	And we're on Ludlow in Houston.
	And there was a bar called Fast Guy Eddie's that we met some people with.
	And then there was Benjamin Cho, the gay fashion designer who has since OD'd on heroin.
	He was a good friend of ours.
	And we look, we see him in the window.
	So now that the, sorry, I maybe jumped ahead too far.
	So the first tower falls, the second tower falls.
	It's pretty close together.
	We can't believe it.
	And eventually we got to get out.
	So we leave our house.
	The sky is gray.
	Everyone's on the streets.
	Everyone is just sort of shaking their head.
	We want to still watch the news all day, but we also don't want to sit and watch the news all day.
	It seems so bizarre to have an attack like that or whatever the hell just happened and just be sitting at home.
	So we thought the TVs will be on in bars.
	Let's go get a drink and fucking...
	So now it's around 11 a.m., maybe noon.
	We walk by the bar and there's Benjamin Cho, and he's like, banging on the glass as we walk by, and he goes, two for one, two for one.
	Two for one.
	So we go in there, we get some beers.
	The TV's not working, and we can't see what's going on.
	So we go farther up the street to Doc Holidays.
	That was kind of our local at the time.
	I remember one time at Doc Holidays, my wife and I had broken up, girlfriend and I, and I was just sitting there alone drinking a beer.
	And then they played the night.
	No, yeah, they drove old Dixie down.
	And the band was singing.
	And I just sat there crying, crying into my beer at Doc Holidays, a Western bar with like cowboy boots on the ceiling.
	I can't listen to that song anymore.
	They drove old Dixie down.
	Is that the band?
	Yes.
	You're not supposed to like the band, but God, I love that song.
	Goodoon, goodong.
	Another time, Jesse.
	Oh, remember?
	We'll call him JP.
	Remember, I like your new sunglasses.
	That guy?
	Long story short, him and his girlfriend were junkies.
	They invited us over for a breakfast party.
	It was clear they were high of their minds and hadn't bought anything for their waffles.
	And the waffles were a hello kitty waffle maker that made individual ones this big for kids.
	So they had no butter.
	And he goes, I'll get butter.
	And they were doing this thing that junkies do where they pretend everything's fine.
	Meanwhile, their eyes are like this, like, hey, how are you, guys?
	And so he goes, I'll get butter.
	And she goes, no, no, I'll get it, sweetie.
	I love you.
	Both high out of their minds.
	And we're all sitting there going, this is your big brunch party you invited us up for?
	The Hello Kitty coffee maker was this big.
	And it made one cup at a time.
	Now I'm retelling the story.
	And he's trying to make it work and adjusting it because he's so high he can't figure out a child's coffee maker.
	Not that children should have coffee makers.
	Yeah, that was it.
	She's messing with the top part, trying to get the thing to fit in.
	And then she puts on her sunglasses so the people at the butter store at the local bodega can't see her fucking tired eyes.
	And she goes back to get her sunglasses and he sees her.
	And then as she's walking down the hallway, he goes, I like your new sunglasses.
	I just looked at my girlfriend and we both go, let's get the fuck out of here.
	Which we all did.
	He told me one time her computer was broken, like the operating system, whatever didn't work.
	And they were both so high that he's like, well, you know what you should do?
	You obviously have a conflict with some of your preferences.
	So delete the preferences and then reboot with that and you'll find out the preference that's causing the font conflict.
	As he was talking, he had his finger this far up his ass.
	That's what junkies do.
	Imagine your tech guy is just anally raping himself as he explains what fonts could be causing a problem.
	But one time he came into Doc Holidays and he had two large coffees.
	And I go, what are you doing?
	And he goes, oh, I don't know, man.
	I'm just super tired.
	I'm rehashing all the old stories.
	This is a classic one.
	This might even be free.
	So anyway, we all go in there and my wife's friends are all there.
	My buddies are all there.
	And word gets out.
	And then on the way over there, Derek keeps saying, he's like, my mom's okay, right?
	She's going to be okay?
	And I go, yeah.
	Me, mom thinking, no, I just saw her building collapse.
	She's dead.
	So I'm going, yeah, everything's going to be fine.
	And we get to the bar and the TV's on loud and clear.
	So that's the way you do these kind of events.
	You don't sit alone at your home and hide.
	You're around other people.
	You talk to each other.
	You bounce theories off each other.
	The news is on blaring so everyone can hear it perfectly.
	And we slowly see the breaking news.
	We learn about people committing suicide, jumping off the top because they can't make it down because they're above the thing.
	We see video of people falling.
	I mean, over the course of the next few weeks, too, it got worse as we heard more and more about what had happened.
	And you can't get through on cell phones.
	No cell phones are working.
	So he's trying to call his brother up in Canada, Derek is.
	And he's calling his mother incessantly.
	And we're drinking and we're talking about theories.
	And Islam wasn't really on the tips of our tongues.
	Today, when there's an attack, we go, what was his first name, please?
	And we're waiting patiently to hear if it's, you know, McClintock or Muhammad, especially in Britain.
	But back then, it was just like, how did the towers fall?
	Wasn't it just a small fire or a big fire?
	It didn't seem like that big of a deal when the first one hit.
	And why did two towers explode?
	That seems kind of weird.
	And then there was, of course, no, everyone knew about the plane.
	Sorry.
	I'm trying to rehatch my thought process.
	But obviously there was a lot of confusion going on.
	And then there was this moment.
	I actually cry.
	A lot of crying in today's episode.
	I cry in the audio chapter of this, in the audio book, when we cover this chapter, because it was so emotional when Derek finally got to a payphone, called his brother, and then he came back and she's okay.
	And the story was she had an important meeting that day, a presentation.
	She went down the stairs to Kinko's across the street, and she was doing the photocopy.
	She left her purse on her desk.
	She was doing the photocopying for the presentation.
	I guess some PDFs that you couldn't email.
	And then she watched her purse, her coworkers, her life fall down right in front of her.
	So she was in a daze, a catatonic daze.
	And she walked over.
	She lived in Jersey at the time, and she just walked through the Holland Tunnel, back to Jersey.
	Lincoln Tunnel?
	No, Holland Tunnel.
	Back to Jersey, just like a zombie.
	And luckily, the brother had finally got a hold of her.
	And so we all cheered when we heard that.
	Everyone was hugging him, and all the girls were crying.
	Derek wasn't crying.
	So, anyway, that was great.
	We were so happy she's alive.
	We didn't know of any casualties of people we knew.
	We were 30 years old, and we didn't know a lot of people who worked in finance.
	Plus, we're living in the Lower East Side.
	Almost everyone and all our friends were transplants from somewhere else.
	Not that a lot of people living in the Lower East Side have parents who are in finance.
	And then when we go back that night, there's tanks on the street, on Houston Street.
	And we have to show our bills, our Con Ed bills, to get in.
	We didn't have Con Ed bills, but I showed my ID to have my address on it.
	But for the rest of the week, every time I left my street, I'd need Con Ed bills to go south of Houston.
	And then Ryan McGinley, the photographer I discovered, the in-grade, who won't mention it, he went down there with Sam Sigalnick and Iersnod and Seaman Sperms.
	Look up Ryan McGinley's 9-11 pictures because they're amazing.
	They just drove down there on their BMXs and started taking these beautiful photographs, which again, to go back to what we were saying about art, it's macabre and sad and bizarre, but I'm glad these photos exist.
	I think they capture better than this grainy, shitty footage that we've seen a million times.
	Are you pulling those up?
	Can you find those?
	Dude, there's something wrong with your computer.
	The internet is 1980s slow.
	Do you have an Ethernet plugged directly into that computer?
	Not to the second one.
	Why not?
	We're out of ports for it?
	Wait, oh no, the Ethernet ports being used?
	I could get a thing working for it.
	What do you mean you could get a thing?
	Are you just saying we're out of Ethernet cable?
	No, I think ports.
	We'll see.
	It might be easily fixable.
	You're saying you could take it out of another port, like the thing we use for the live shows.
	Anyway, we'll dig that up, fuck nuts.
	What?
	What did you look up?
	Ryan McGinley, September 11th.
	Go 9 slash 11.
	That's what I did at first.
	Ryan McGinley, 9-11 photos.
	Then go to images.
	I remember this coming up really easily a couple years ago.
	Oh, yeah?
	And I see a shape.
	It was like it was a site, and there was an album of them, and we were skipping through them.
	Maybe his shit's so valuable now that people, those are big sellers, and he doesn't want to have them online in case someone prints them out and frames them.
	What's the name of the other guy that was involved?
	He won't be there.
	Okay.
	Maybe Dash Snow 9-11?
	Yeah.
	That sounds familiar.
	They went down there and checked it out.
	Now, later, I had this friend Sprague.
	I think he was a junkie too, photographer.
	He actually did...
	It's amazing how this wall is coming in so relevant to this episode.
	We've now mentioned every picture on the bar wall.
	There's the smiling soldier that G. Vaucher did.
	There's a Vietnam picture.
	And in the middle, there's a slain buck that everyone thinks I killed.
	No, Sprague shot that after a three-day hunt, tracking the animal.
	Great photographer.
	Nope, nothing there.
	Nope.
	Geez, that's weird.
	Yeah, remember there was a site.
	Wait, whoa.
	No.
	There was a site that we were skipping through the pictures.
	They were on bikes.
	It was like at nighttime.
	There was like a bluish huge.
	I'll keep looking.
	I'll keep talking.
	Gotcha.
	So, Sprague, we don't want footage for this.
	You don't want to see what happened.
	But he lived near there.
	And you know that footage they have?
	There was a French camera crew that were following one particular firehouse.
	And it was sort of mundane, as it is with a firehouse most of the time.
	You're rushing to wait, waiting to rush.
	And they happened to have their camera holding it sideways, pointing up, and they caught the plane hitting the tower.
	Are there conspiracy theorists who think there was no plane?
	Yes.
	They think it was a drone or some sort of like remote-controlled thing or a missile.
	Okay, fine.
	At least they admit there was a thing.
	So they think there was a giant aluminum foil drone.
	Something like that, or even a missile that they edited to make it look like a plane.
	Like they always show like there's like a shot.
	They show that thing on the bottom or whatever?
	Yeah, and they're like, since when does this happen?
	Or whatever.
	My personal theory is that when someone sees that level of evil, their brain can't handle it.
	So they immediately go to government.
	It's not what you think.
	It's not Islam.
	And it could be a fear of racism, too.
	This goes back to the middle class thing, where they go, white people did that.
	That was George W. Bush.
	It's an inside job.
	It's all white people.
	Nothing to do with Islam.
	Nothing to do with Arabs.
	Nothing to do with bin Laden.
	Another angle David Cross said, and this was not uncommon, was, and I'll get back to Sprague, was, yeah, we had it coming.
	You know, it was because of our foreign policy.
	And I said to him at the time, I'm like, why are you imbuing all of this authority and rational behavior on the Taliban, on al-Qaeda, on radical Islam?
	Like, if we're good, they're good.
	If we're bad, they're bad.
	No.
	They behead women based on the rumor that they were going to leave their husband.
	They're not rational.
	They are cavemen.
	Like, I think it was even his cousin that said to me, no, we need to have loose borders because if we have strict borders, then these other countries in Central America, they'll get mad at us.
	And they'll want to hurt us.
	What kind of cuck mentality is that?
	I mean, both Jewish people, by the way.
	No, I'm not basing my foreign policy on pleasing Luddite, inbred savages.
	And I'm not basing my border policy on not offending Mexicans.
	What the fuck?
	How about we ignore the rest of the world?
	And this goes for every Western country, by the way.
	Ignore the rest of the world.
	Make sure your borders are strong.
	Do your best.
	You can throw some charity here and there once in a while.
	But that's it.
	I don't want you to like me.
	I don't care about the international community.
	The UN hired Saudi Arabia to handle women's rights.
	So that's the international community at work.
	Do you trust them?
	Okay, you're retarded.
	Wait, is this it?
	That's an article about those guys.
	Oh, yeah.
	So the only time we can show it is when...
	We showed it.
	Yeah.
	Stop.
	Why don't you try putting that sentence in quotes?
	Okay.
	Streets were.
	Okay, gotcha.
	I'll get on that.
	It's the kids were all right.
	It was a New York Mag cover story.
	Basically, what happened with that crew is they stole a picture for a laugh of their friend, nude, Michelle something.
	She chased them out of the art gallery.
	She jumped on the car.
	They drove about five feet.
	They got charged with, what was it, stealing and kidnapping because the car moved five feet.
	So that counts as kidnapping someone.
	So it was major charges.
	So Seaman Sperms and Sam Sigalnik, the guy who basically invented wearing white jeans in the hipster world, they spent a year at Rikers.
	And that's when everyone stopped partying and said, okay, I guess the party days are over.
	It's time to get serious.
	Same with Proud Boys New York.
	The chapter sort of fizzled out after everyone went to prison.
	You see, the government can influence change.
	They can stop people from having fun.
	So, yeah, the liberal response was bizarre.
	And I remember going to Union Square on September 12th.
	This is 24 hours after it happened.
	And there was people holding up banners that said, justice, not revenge.
	And it was like signs for peace and all this shit.
	And I thought, can you not get a little bit angry?
	The very next day, you're petrified.
	Whoa, what happened there?
	Car accident.
	Oh, that was before I knew him.
	Okay, so there we go.
	So that's all the ash from the buildings falling down on the cars.
	The whole area was miles of ash.
	Fuck, I just remembered we went to this office a couple days later and we could see, it was a tall office building, we could see down at all the carnage.
	All the trucks going in there, removing stuff.
	There was pieces of bodies.
	You would find a hand on a roof like three buildings away.
	Or you'd just be down by City Hall and see a foot.
	I'll get to that in a second.
	Oh, it was alarming.
	And yeah, it's okay to be wary of Islam if you were in New York during 9-11.
	It was unimaginably damaging.
	Not just in a physical sense, but in a psychological sense for the whole fucking city.
	That used to be how you knew what was north and what was south.
	You'd look down at the World Trade Center.
	So play that clip of liberals reacting to this.
	We just got a report in that there's been some sort of explosion at the World Trade Center in New York City.
	Oh, another one just hit.
	Something else just hit.
	A very large plane just flew directly over my building, and there's been another collision.
	I've never seen any.
	It looks like a movie.
	I saw a large plane like a meteor immediately heading directly into the World Trade Center.
	Katie, I don't want to alarm anybody right now, but apparently, it felt just a few moments ago like there was an explosion of some kind here at the Pentagon.
	We're not sure exactly what happened, but it was another explosion on the far side of one of the buildings from where we're standing.
	One of the two towers of the World Trade Center, the upper center, collapsed.
	This after this apparent terrorist attack this morning.
	These two 110-story towers.
	There you see it.
	Just collapsing into the ground.
	We can all go back to September 11th.
	That was no mystery.
	Faith or fear.
	Faith or fear?
	That's your choice.
	Don't fear the terrorists.
	There must be terrorists.
	When the revolutionary war was going on, George.
	Faith or fear.
	So you either have faith in all of humanity as inherently good, or you live in fear, Islamophobia.
	No.
	No.
	I don't have Indianophobia, and that's both feather and dot.
	I don't have Lebaneseophobia.
	I don't have Chineseophobia.
	I don't have blackophobia.
	I don't have any other phobia but Islamophobia.
	And that's, as Jim Goad would say, not prejudice, it's post-judice.
	I am judging post-the calamitous terrorism that dominates the globe.
	Yes, the FBI can tell us it's domestic terrorism and white nationalism until they're blue in the face.
	We're not blind.
	Rosie Perez might be blind, but that's her name?
	Rosie O'Neill.
	Rosie O'Donnell.
	Who's Rosie Perez?
	She's the one who told me.
	Oh, that's the one with the cheeks, chubby cheeks.
	They're the terrorists.
	They're mothers and father.
	When the Revolutionary War was going on, George Washington and all them dudes was terrorists.
	I don't believe in al-Qaeda.
	I don't believe in the boogeyman, the Lot Ness monster.
	I don't believe you believe in the.
	But you don't think bin Laden knocked down the World Trade Committee?
	Absolutely not.
	Come on.
	I don't.
	You think they know where Osama bin Laden?
	Al-Qaeda don't exist?
	Al-Qaeda very proudly say they exist.
	This reminds me of a great onion sketch from a million years ago where this conspiracy theorist, liberal conspiracy theorist, was denying that the terrorists did this and the terrorists did that.
	And the terrorist was also on the show and he was very upset because he's like, we work very hard for that.
	9-11 took very much planning.
	You can't take that away from us.
	Like, we're at the point where the radical left, we give the terrorists so much quarter that they're going, stop.
	I blew that up on purpose.
	Don't take it away from me.
	You think they know where Osama bin Laden is?
	Absolutely.
	And it's hands off.
	Absolutely.
	Why?
	Absolutely.
	Because he's funded by their friends in Saudi Arabia.
	He's back living with his sponsors, his benefactors.
	And now we have over 5,000 innocent civilians died because we were cowardly when it came to a military personnel.
	We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away.
	That's cowardly.
	That is sticking in the airplane when it hits the building.
	Say what you want about it, not cowardly.
	Bush was responsible for a lot more death, innocent death, than bin Laden.
	Wasn't he?
	Or am I wrong here?
	Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Christianity.
	Americans are puzzled.
	Radical Christianity.
	I think she's thinking of Timothy McVeigh, I guess.
	What the fuck is she talking about?
	That stupid, shitty lesbian who adopted a bunch of kids and then promptly ignored them.
	That's the core of our enemies, is the childless, the familyless.
	No, but Gavin Rosie had kids.
	No, she didn't.
	She bought kids.
	She procured kids as accoutrements, like Perez Hilton did.
	Like fucking, what's his name, Andy Cohen over at Bravo?
	Yeah, they decorate their homes with little kids that they don't give a shit about.
	That doesn't count as having a child.
	This cunt totally ignored her kids their entire lives.
	And all she does is preach about how evil the traditional American nuclear family is.
	It always happens again and again.
	Look at our enemies.
	They're not in a family.
	That's why they hate families.
	That's radical Islam.
	Americans are why so many people in the world hate us.
	We seem so nice to ourselves.
	They do hate us, though.
	We know that.
	And we're trying to protect ourselves with more weapons.
	It might be better if we figured out how to behave as a nation in a way that wouldn't make so many people in the world want to kill us.
	Fuck you.
	Fuck you, Annie Rooney.
	I'm glad you're dead.
	Now that's not very Christian to speak of all the dead.
	But you know what he's saying there is that we have to have the Middle East like us.
	Outside of Israel, I don't want the Middle East.
	To get the Middle East to like us, we'd have to make our females second-class citizens.
	We'd have to make homosexuality illegal.
	We'd have to be as archaic as them.
	I'm not doing that.
	No, sorry.
	That's victim blaming, too, because you say what you want about our military endeavors over there, that that's the reason why, but like us just being free and living our lives, we deserve that.
	That's what he's saying, basically.
	Is that us, you know, like having cookouts and going to church?
	No, he's talking about our foreign policy.
	Oh, okay.
	And how we should behave better.
	But that implies that these terrorists are rational.
	Look at the terrorists in London.
	Are they assassinating people because of Britain's almost non-existent foreign policy?
	Is that why Lee Rigby was beheaded in the streets because of London's foreign policy, because of what Britain does?
	No.
	Britain hasn't done shit for years, and they are still the enemy of Islam because they are infidels.
	The Quran says convert or die.
	Smite ye above their necks.
	Okay, so let's get back to Sprague.
	So he's walking.
	Oh, there it is.
	Isn't that a beautiful picture?
	That's the Carl Zeiss lens.
	A T20, I think, the camera that made his career, which he kind of stole from Terry Richardson.
	So Sprague is possibly a junkie at the time.
	I can't remember.
	It's amazing how many people around me have been junkies.
	I've known 12 to die.
	But anyway, he's walking around and someone goes, you, you, get over here.
	I think it was a cop.
	Yeah, it was a cop.
	Get over here.
	We need you.
	And I don't understand how you would jump, but I guess it's clear you're going to die.
	I guess you're up against the hole and it's nothing but black smoke and you're coughing and coughing.
	You've tried to go through the smoke.
	It gets worse.
	You keep coming back to the hole.
	I don't know.
	I feel like I would still kind of hide by the edge of the hole.
	I don't know.
	There was that guy who shimmied down.
	Remember him?
	He ripped all the skin off his hands and feet, but he went...
	He made it down?
	I believe so, yeah.
	Whoa.
	That's the guy I would be.
	I would like surf it down as it fell and then run on the rubble that was falling.
	That's basically what that guy said, Mark Wahlberg.
	If he was on the flight, he would have taken him out.
	He's like, if I was on the flight, it wouldn't happen.
	Yeah, that was a dumb move.
	Jesus, dude.
	I'll tell you what, if anyone tries to hijack a flight today, they're going to get their asses kissed.
	Kissed, kicked.
	Wow.
	Whoops.
	That's my worst typo of the year.
	It happened on the 20th anniversary of September 11th.
	We bend the need of Islam so much, maybe they would get their asses kissed.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, that's a good example.
	We deserve this.
	Juan Williams was at NPR, PBS, whatever it's called, and he said, I feel uncomfortable when I'm about to get on a plane and I see Muslims lay out their prayer rug and start fanatically praying Allah Akbar.
	It makes me uncomfortable.
	It makes me nervous.
	Yeah?
	That's called being a normal human being with eyeballs and ear holes.
	He lost his job for that.
	And the only people that would touch him after That was Fox News as a way of saying fuck you to PBS.
	That guy did not make it.
	Talk about kissing Muslim ass.
	He didn't make it?
	No.
	That's bad.
	And I saw sort of like a waving way up on the 90th floor.
	It was a man wearing a suit, and he was hanging out of the window and waving his suit jacket frantically, like trying to call for help.
	Walked out onto the ledge, and behind him was a raging, raging inferno.
	Yeah, you can't stand it.
	Maybe that's why.
	After a few seconds, he started to kind of climb down the face of the building.
	And as he was climbing down, it looked like he had some kind of rope or something.
	So he's kind of making his way down, and then he lost his grip.
	All right, that's enough.
	I mean, can we have some anger, please?
	Never forget.
	And then we forgot the next day.
	Be wary of Islam.
	That's the lesson here.
	Political correctness was definitely a factor in this horrible catastrophe.
	And it continues to be.
	Anyway, so this is the horrific part I've sort of been saving for the end.
	Sprague is on his way up, I guess, to see us.
	He's leaving.
	I mean, there's dust everywhere.
	No, no.
	Sorry, there's not dust everywhere yet.
	There's dust in the clouds.
	People are still jumping.
	And he inadvertently was walking by an area where most of the people were jumping to their desks.
	One couple jumped holding hands.
	Doesn't that just fucking crush you?
	I know I'm not giving this day enough gravity tasks.
	This should be a much more intense episode.
	I'm giving as much as I can.
	The whole too soon thing was, I mean, I haven't been able to even look.
	Whenever that would appear on TV, I go like that.
	For just the past few years, I've been able to watch that footage.
	So they were jumping off right where he was, like he was avoiding getting hit by them.
	And their bodies were popping, making these loud bangs as they hit the pavement.
	And that would also dismember them.
	So there was pieces of people piled everywhere, not dissimilar to the Bataclan photos you saw.
	So him, a couple cops, and people that were forced to volunteer, basically, were picking up a foot, an arm, and they were putting it on these pallets, piling them up.
	And then eventually, I guess, they must have ran away and left the pallets there when they heard the rumbling?
	Holy shit, it's possible Sprague was lying.
	Because when did they decide to stop picking up body parts and run?
	They're obviously at the base of the towers.
	You didn't have a lot of time once they started collapsing.
	He's a junkie.
	Junkies lie.
	Wow, it's taken me 20 years to realize this might be a lie.
	And he said they just decided to stop.
	Or did he not conclude it?
	Because maybe he stopped before he was like a bunch of people.
	I never got that part for some reason.
	Maybe he's like, that's enough of that, and I'm out.
	Well, it was the kind of thing you couldn't talk to him about because he had PTSD.
	But maybe you couldn't talk to him because the details got too fuzzy.
	It's also.
	Because what do you do?
	You're piling up body parts.
	I'm not sure why someone said pile up these body parts.
	But then you hear a rumble and go, we should probably stop doing this and run.
	Maybe.
	Or you just stop.
	You're like, I can't, I don't want to do this any longer.
	Yeah, that's another option.
	And that's not the thing you'd want to just admit, maybe.
	So that took me 20 years to realize now I think Sprague was lying.
	It took me 10 years to realize I think Derek's lying.
	I'm crying like a little baby on the audiobook.
	And then I'm like, wait a minute.
	There's no photocopiers in the World Trade Center?
	And you got to go to Kinko's across the street?
	And what is this magical Kinko's that has all this room in front of it with a giant window where you can look up and see 110 stories?
	Oh, yeah.
	The biggest Kinkos in the world?
	If you go down to World Trade today, it's very dense, obviously.
	And there's just nothing but little buildings and little windows.
	And, you know, there's no like big open space with a gargantuan Kinkos with a massive parking lot.
	There's nowhere to put your car in Lower Manhattan.
	So where's this Kinkos?
	And you had to leave the entire building to go do photocopies?
	And then you sat there watching the Trade Center fall?
	And then the story about walking across through the Holland Tunnel covered in gray dust as a zombie.
	I think what happened was, and again, this is just a theory.
	I think his mom did work at World Trade many, many years before.
	He saw that.
	He saw it as a way to inject himself into the story when we first, back just post-fart.
	He's probably still drunk.
	We probably went to bed at 4 a.m., right?
	So we only got five hours sleep.
	And then it started snowballing, although he did keep asking me if she's okay.
	And then around, when we were at Doc Holidays, he probably went, all right, this is getting kind of intense.
	I'm becoming the guy whose mom is there.
	I'm going to change it.
	So that's when he went, she's fine.
	I got on the payphone.
	But like, he had a whole bar cheering and crying.
	If he's lying, that's fucking, that's beyond Joe Tonelli.
	Who's GoFundMe is doing very well now.
	It's up to $86.
	My mom worked at the Twin Tower.
	She cut hair there.
	Really?
	Years before anything bad happened to it.
	So what would she do?
	Just go to people's offices?
	No, there's like hair salons in there.
	Oh, in the basement?
	Not just in the basement.
	It's not Trump Tower.
	I mean, there's...
	How many stories was there?
	110.
	110 stories.
	And yeah.
	So anyway, we do the Doc Holidays thing.
	I think Derek, I don't know what happened to him.
	But the news, we watched the news for 46, 40 45 hours, 40, 40, 45, 45 hours.
	It was amazing how much news we watched.
	And all of a sudden, people are interested in politics.
	Like, I go over to Trevor's house, the guy who said, bomb that shit, nigga.
	And we bought a ton of Coke.
	And I'm not proud of this, folks at home.
	And he goes, you want to do Coke?
	We're partying now on the night of September 12th.
	That's the night it was.
	And I go, think about it, dude.
	How many times have we sat here talking about how owls are cool and Van Halen this and sex pistols that?
	We finally have something to talk about.
	So he laughed and we got an eight ball with the TV on and we stayed up for another 15, 20 hours just doing Coke and talking.
	He had never given a shit about politics before.
	So I sort of talked to him about what I knew about Israel, the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, all that stuff, foreign policy, what little I knew at the time, Pat Buchanan's book.
	And then it slowly faded.
	And they kept cleaning up the site.
	And then, I don't know, Al-Qaeda won in a sense because we didn't get angry.
	And we spent 13 years making a bizarre freedom tower that I believe, how much over budget was that?
	I always get this number wrong.
	I want to be accurate here.
	It's either $14 or $34 billion over budget.
	It looks like a twisted napkin.
	You know when you want to try and get a bug out of your eye and you twist a napkin and make it pointy?
	That's what it looks like.
	It looks ridiculous.
	And then there's these two massive holes that just look like...
	Just look it up and tell me, dude, I'm talking.
	The two holes are like the holes in our hearts.
	It's depressing.
	On September 12th, we should have had the plans drawn up to replace the World Trade Center exactly as it was.
	Brick by brick, indistinguishable from the original, right?
	And I had a fireman at the gym say to me, oh yeah, you want your kids to work in there?
	I don't care who works in there.
	Let's store hay in it.
	It can be free.
	Projects.
	Let's put a mosque at the top of each of the two towers and then some fucking pig's blood at the base.
	I don't care about that.
	I don't care if it's empty.
	But you build it up brick by brick, same plans, similar budget, and then you have a plaque, a small plaque outside that says, from September 11th, 2001,
	after a terrorist attack, to November 30th, 2004, these towers were not here.
	And then you know what the real victory would be?
	It would be if you had British people who denied that it ever happened.
	No, you see a lot of footage.
	You'll notice there's not a lot of people talking about it because it never happened.
	Those are the same.
	They've done carbon dieting on the bricks and they can see it's the same bricks that were there from the 50s, which obviously wouldn't be true, but that would warm my heart.
	You know why?
	Because it would make the terrorists furious.
	Right now, that's a shrine to their success.
	All right, we should wrap this up.
	It's been a while.
	If you want to get deeper into this, and I think you should, you should check out New York Nico.
	Look him up on Instagram.
	Do you have the over budgetness yet?
	Let's see.
	The project's $14 billion cost keeps rising as commodities yada dom.
	All right.
	So you don't know.
	No.
	We'll have to do that after the mailbag.
	I'll look it up on my phone.
	It'll take me the time it takes to say, Ryan, shut up.
	I will have found it.
	Like, can't you just put in how much over budget was the Freedom Tower?
	That's what I typed.
	It's done now.
	Hit news.
	Still unfinished four hours ago?
	It's not done?
	That's why it's a current estimate.
	Go back to the top there?
	Freedom Tower, the Skyscraper Summit News Resilience.
	Absolutely not.
	Unfinished 20 years later.
	Jesus H. Well, that's depressing.
	Anyway, pull up New York Nico on Instagram.
	What he's been doing all week, God bless his cotton socks, although he's made it very clear he hates me.
	That's fair.
	Really?
	He's been interviewing people who were there.
	And they're really cool interviews because they're not well done in that the people talking are inarticulate.
	Oh, this fucking guy with the headphones.
	His takeaway from September 11th is how hard it is to be a Muslim because everyone's judging him after.
	So I'm the bad guy.
	Not the Muslims who gave you that reputation, but all the people who notice patterns.
	And he goes, I'm at the airport.
	Like, go back to him.
	Now I'm at the airport, people are asking me questions.
	I grow a beard, everyone's staring at me.
	Yeah, because your people murdered 3,000 of our people.
	You don't get away with that scot-free.
	There's ramifications, my friend.
	I'm sorry you were inconvenienced by your people's mass murdering.
	Like the fucking arrogance of these immigrates.
	Play that?
	Well, the reason I wanted to meet you on Central Booking was because this is, you know, the epicenter.
	This is the second ground zero for American Muslims.
	In the sense where we weren't just Americans who were victimized by this thing, now we were all suspect.
	And because we were Muslim, we believed in a certain thing, we were going to be expected to prove our innocence.
	You know what I'm trying to say?
	So there was a handful of time.
	I mean, at that point, I'm 11 years old, so I'm not really face-to-face with the cops.
	I can still jump on the train and they'll think, oh, this dumb kid, whatever.
	But then you turn to a certain age where you go beer and they start looking at you different.
	You notice it right away.
	What's worse?
	Getting questioned because you look like a terrorist and you have a terrorist's name?
	Or falling off a building that you had to leave because you were burning alive.
	And also, they're not thinking, oh, there's just some dumb kid.
	They're not thinking of you at all.
	You're not a thought in their mind.
	There's fucking millions of people.
	This goes back to when black people go, you know, I get on an elevator and women grab their purse.
	Okay.
	Aren't you mad at the guys who developed that pattern and made women want to grab their purse?
	You know, no one grabs a purse when an Asian gets on the elevator.
	Yeah, because Asians tend not to snatch purses.
	Get mad at people.
	You know, I'm Scottish, Scotch-Irish.
	When I go to a bar and I order a whiskey, people get worried and they think, uh-oh, hope this guy doesn't get all violent when he gets wasted because that's what those people are known for.
	I often get violent when I'm wasted.
	Actually, I don't.
	But I'm mad at the Scotch-Irish for giving us this drunken reputation.
	It's a dumb analogy because I'm not.
	But you know what I'm saying?
	Like, get mad at the group that developed a pattern, not at the people who noticed the pattern.
	Then you go on an airplane and you can see people are physically sick because they're nervous.
	They can't settle next to you.
	So there's this presumed secondary identity that we're supposed to have.
	That we're supposed to be part of like this Muslim ummah.
	And the Muslim ummah just attacks America.
	Well, the reason why I wanted to meet your high tension booking was because.
	Yeah.
	That's the level of intelligence you have at slate.
	But click on that guy.
	That's the best one.
	This is what I mean when I say it's not professional interviews.
	This is why I like cop books that are badly written because I know I'm getting the real deal.
	Like the fact that this guy repeats himself so much actually shows the trauma, which makes it a better interview.
	I have two photos that I took.
	I remember taking a camera with me the night of it and then a couple of nights afterwards.
	And these are the only two photos that I have ever taken.
	I think I took this picture on the 15th of September.
	This one too.
	These are the only two photos that I took.
	I don't know.
	I remember feeling embarrassed almost to take photographs.
	I guess some of the things that I witnessed.
	I felt embarrassed.
	So these are the only two photos that I've taken.
	But when I recall on the events that happened that day, like I said, it was the worst day that I had witnessed in my lifetime.
	But to see the outpouring of help and things that happen after that, you know, it's like the world's not perfect, but there are a lot of people that still want to do good in this world.
	And that was on full display after 9-11.
	I have two photos that I took.
	I remember taking a camera with that.
	Okay.
	So that's the takeaway.
	I guess we'll wait till the final video to summarize.
	Let's see what you guys are saying.
	Let's jump to the mailbag.
	Everybody.
	I feel like the beginning of that song should go, doodle-doodle.
	Everybody.
	All right, let's see what 911 the badoopa does.
	Okay, this is from John.
	It's called 911 First Responder Story.
	Hi, Gabriel.
	I've written you before with details about how Eric Adams is a lying bastard that I got from my grandfather, retired MIPD captain.
	So he's done talking about Eric Adams now.
	The rest is about his grandfather.
	My grandfather had been retired from the force for a few years, but he likely but he, like many who had served the city at its worst, felt he must do anything he could do to help.
	He got together with a few fellow retirees.
	They used their connections to be able to get into the site and volunteered to aid in any way they could.
	For a few weeks, he helped to bring and deliver food and water to the firemen and other responders on the site.
	Here's an article about him on embraceofaging.com.
	No, that's our site.
	My grandfather, thank God, does not seem to have any of the health issues, at least that we know of, attributable to being exposed to the ash, etc.
	I did know a paramedic from Jersey who was literally among the first ambulances that entered the ground zero to dig for survivors.
	In the last 20 years, I don't know if 15 minutes of his life have gone by without breaking into uncontrollable coughing fits that can last for over two minutes at a time.
	Fuck Islam.
	Honor our heroes like you more than a friend.
	Do you have to say fuck Islam to honor our heroes on 9-11?
	Absolutely.
	That's my biggest problem.
	That's the whole point of this show, is that we keep separating Islam from 9-11.
	It was just, was it a plane accident?
	Was it a building fire?
	No, it was a terrorist attack waged by jihadists.
	The end.
	You can tell me that George W. Bush allowed them to do it.
	You can tell me a lot of things.
	I'm open to many theories.
	But one thing I'm not open to is absolving Islam of culpability for this act, for this day.
	Let's not forget that.
	The West is the best.
	The East sucks.
	And Muhammad Atta and his gay buddy personify everything wrong with the East.
	And the East doesn't get much worse than the Middle East.
	It's funny that it's called the Middle East and it's the most extreme.
	What up, Gavin guy?
	So to me, 9-11 was clearly an inside job, but not everyone has taken the time to look into it.
	For those curious, I'd highly recommend starting with the documentary Loose Change.
	Lose Change, that's been debunked.
	Hello, hello, hello.
	Check one, check two, check three.
	Check four, check five, check six, check seven, check eight, check nine, check ten.
	This is not loose change, but why'd you interrupt me with that?
	It's linked.
	Oh.
	Which can be found on YouTube for now at least.
	And if you'd like further analysis, Owen Benjamin's live stream is pretty good too.
	No, I saw an update on loose change, and the guy was taking most of it back.
	I'm sick of people seeing a documentary made by a child, the loose change guy is a kid, and assuming that they've done research.
	This is unique to millennials and Zoomers.
	They think they've worked hard when they sat on their ass and watched some morons documentary.
	That's not facts.
	That's some asshole shitting out some theories.
	Some of the street interviews in that day were just preposterous, as in you couldn't make this interview appear more scripted if you tried.
	And how did all the concrete get vaporized?
	What?
	So it didn't happen?
	Is he claiming crisis actors?
	Yeah.
	That's pretty nuts, dude.
	What do you mean, crisis actors?
	Why not just get the people there screaming?
	Like, was no one freaking out that day?
	I was there.
	The whole city was freaking the fuck out.
	Like, what's his version that it never fell?
	That's pretty rich.
	How did the concrete get vaporized?
	Dude, I mean, like, when it crumbles, I mean, the air was full of...
	We know what really happened.
	The concrete was secretly shipped out.
	18 wheelers showed up and snuck the concrete away.
	Have you ever seen what thermite does to concrete?
	It deletes it.
	How did all the concrete get...
	But one of the hijackers' passport managed to survive and land at the feet of one of the investigators.
	Yeah, passports can survive.
	In fact, the passport was not.
	When I was at.
	No, but plenty of documents survive.
	When I was at, in France after Batta Clan, I saw a piece of passport from the suicide bomber who blew himself up outside the soccer stadium.
	And by the way, Batta Clan and the soccer stadium and those attacks in France are perfect examples of what I'm talking about.
	People so scared of appearing to be racist or prejudice and not calling bullshit on something.
	Fucking Jesse, what's his name from Death from Above?
	No, Eagles of Death Metal, has had his career canceled because he said, I don't know, some of the staff there, the Muslim staff, were acting weird.
	Noticing that got him canceled.
	He was smoking a cigarette out back.
	The guy opens the back door.
	He starts looking around.
	Usually he says, when I'm at a show, I'm always out back smoking.
	And I get in so much shit for leaving the door open because people sneak in.
	So the bouncer always grabs me and goes, fucking, put out your cigarette.
	Get in here.
	We're closing the doors now.
	We're starting to take tickets.
	And this time he opened the door and went and went back in and didn't even look at me.
	He's ruined for saying that.
	This is the problem right there.
	We're more scared of being called racist than we are of blowing up.
	I'd rather be called racist, thanks.
	Also, the Pentagon story was nonsense.
	That was a missile.
	Wouldn't it be easier just to use a plane?
	And the flight that got put down in a cornfield, flight 93, the coroner on the scene said he stopped being the corner 10 minutes after arrival because there was no blood, no bodies.
	Says who?
	Like, let me see that corner.
	Also, the passengers allegedly made cell phone calls from inside the plane before overtaking the cockpit and crashing the plane when no cell phone could ever be capable of phone call from that altitude.
	I'm willing to con that does, that was fishy.
	My theory with that plane is it was shot down and America needed a good story, so they invented the let's roll and they invented the calls.
	I don't know.
	But wait a minute.
	The plane was going down.
	So maybe they made the calls here.
	Because they have to bring it low, right?
	They have to bring the plane low to do what they're doing.
	When a plane's crashing, it's low at some point.
	Yeah.
	What altitude can cell phones work?
	This guy emails us many times a day.
	Adam.
	Okay, Gavin and Rygai, cover the bunch that didn't board the flights bound for the towers.
	It's so many celebrities.
	I almost think they're flying 24-7.
	It's amazing when I read these letters how much I'm translating them from unbelievably retarded grammar because American public education is garbage to a normal sentence.
	Let me just tell you how the letters arrive in my computer.
	You ready for this?
	This is me not translating.
	Cover the bunch that didn't board the flights bound for the towers, but it's so many I almost think celebrities are flying 24-7.
	No punctuation.
	Yeah, I guess a lot of celebrities are claiming they were going to be on that flight.
	And it sounded just like a missile coming in with a large explosion and then debris showering down in front of us.
	Before we begin, we publish new videos every day.
	God, imagine if we had lost whoever the fuck that was.
	That would have been so sad.
	What a celebrity.
	Was Jackie Chan claiming that he was going to be on one of those planes?
	Rob Lowe.
	Whoever that is.
	Great pasta chef.
	That doesn't count.
	Vaguely familiar.
	I recognize Rob Lowe.
	Patty Austin.
	Who the fuck?
	Oh, she was childish.
	She was, of course, in the blockbuster Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts.
	Oh, there you go.
	George Bush was almost on the plane.
	Okay, thank you for your shitty letter, Adam.
	Please stop emailing us 50 times away.
	Is it possible that these celebrities are just trying to get attention?
	It's a recreation of what he would have done if he was on the flight.
	And is this a conspiracy theory?
	Like they're saying they knew and they were told not to get on the flight?
	Like a level of corruption this high would be worried about Jackie Chan?
	I really like his movies.
	I got to risk blowing up this whole plot.
	We are sacrificing the lives of many Americans.
	However, leave Jackie Chan out of this.
	Who was that?
	Morgan Freeman?
	Soros?
	Soros?
	loves Jackie Chan.
	And Morgan Freeman sounds exactly the same.
	Okay, the last one.
	We didn't get that many.
	It's nice to be able to.
	Oh, no, we did get another.
	It's nice to be able to get a handle on the mail for once.
	What's going on?
	It's weird that they would throw this in a watch Mojo video.
	Mark Wahlberg.
	And then they just show him like railing a chick.
	What?
	What is this?
	I heard some crazy gossip.
	Totally.
	This is nothing to do with the show or anything, but I just want to tell you before I forget.
	I heard from a bouncer in New York who used to do really exclusive parties that I think he was an off-duty cop, that he walked into a room and a bunch of dudes were running a train on Princess Di.
	Whoa.
	Fairly reliable source.
	Oh, another thing I neglected to mention.
	So I was with Andrew W.K. on September 10th, right?
	So he wakes up.
	He was in, I think, Williamsburg, Brooklyn at the time, or maybe Park Slope or something.
	So he wakes up, and his guitarist was named Jimmy something.
	And he wakes up and he sees the smoke, and he's freaking the fuck out.
	And he's alone watching this on the news.
	And Jimmy's sleeping.
	He's like, Jimmy, there's a terrorist attack.
	He's like, yeah.
	And he goes, I can't watch this on TV and out the window alone.
	This is a monumental moment.
	So he starts shaking him.
	He goes, wake up, dude, wake up.
	I'm not kidding.
	Two planes went into the World Trade Center.
	And Jimmy goes, Andrew, we can't do shit about it now, okay?
	Oh, my God.
	And they went back to bed.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	You know, I got a call from my friend or no text saying, isn't this a fucking nightmare?
	And I was like, what's happening?
	And I thought that was like an attack happening or something to post 9-11 brand.
	He was talking about the vaccine.
	When you see what, is this a fucking nightmare?
	Wait a minute.
	I think so little of you.
	We haven't discussed your 9-11 experience.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was taken out of school.
	How old were you?
	20?
	No.
	Like 6th grade?
	6th or 7th grade?
	Oh, that's 7th.
	That's because it's irrelevant.
	You were a little kid.
	Well.
	So you were like 11 years old.
	Something like that, yeah.
	And scary watching on TV and stuff.
	And then the weird thing is the one story from that is my friend Rob, we weren't friends the year before.
	Thanks for that detail.
	I kept trying to fight him.
	I was like, you want to fight?
	And I was just fucking with him.
	And he was kind of like a quiet kid.
	His dad was a firefighter, one of the first responders, and he died in 9-11.
	He came back the year later, and he was like, really, like, he got ripped over a summer.
	Not ripped, but he was bigger.
	He had more confidence, and he wasn't fucking around anymore.
	And he was like, you still want to fight me?
	And I was like, no, man.
	And then we shook hands and whatever.
	It was on lunch line.
	I was like, don't fuck with guys whose dad died in 9-11.
	But this was before, obviously.
	But we became friends after that.
	So weird.
	Did you ever fuck him?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	After a while, he held out.
	9-11 Chico State.
	I was attending Chico State when it happened.
	I knew something was wrong that day because my roommate at the time, who was watching the news, they couldn't give two shits about the news.
	I proceeded to get ready for school, blah, blah, blah.
	Some office students came in and told everyone we need to leave because they were worried that a plane would be hitting the campus next.
	Totally right, right.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	It's a plane invasion.
	This was quite laughable.
	The next day during my history of the American Indian class, my professor, who was a pilot during the Vietnam War, said that the terrorists were really stupid.
	He said if they actually wanted to do some real damage with the two planes that were headed to California, no, sorry.
	He said that if they actually wanted to do some real damage, now you had a fucking comma, if to do to do, comma, do, to do, to do.
	With the two planes that were headed to California with the most fuel, they should have waited until they were over here to hijack the plane and then fly them into the Shasta Dam.
	Two spaces after period is for morons.
	It would wipe out all the electricity in Northern California, as well as their, spelled wrong, water supply for most of the region, including the city by the gate.
	Jesus H. Christ.
	Dude, learn English.
	It's so annoying.
	As someone who edited a magazine for 15 years, it's just so disappointing to see two spaces after period and Northern Californian instead of California.
	Like, learn English.
	With all the red tape and the fact that we have not built a new dam or power plant in this state since the 1960s, I highly doubt it would even be rebuilt by today.
	You're just massacring the English language.
	I highly doubt it would even be rebuilt by today.
	I highly doubt it would be rebuilt even by today's standards.
	No, that's not what I meant to say.
	I highly doubt it would be rebuilt today.
	That's all you have to say.
	Once he said this, my natural question was, why not just crash it into the Hoover Dam?
	He's responded that the Hoover Dam is way too thick and it would barely make a scratch.
	But the Shasta Dam is actually quite vulnerable.
	Anyway, I thought that was an interesting take.
	Yes, it is.
	But you ruined it with your fucking shitty grammar.
	Can you just read over the letter before you hit send?
	Is that too much to ask?
	I mean, it's essentially a script for a TV show.
	It's a monologue.
	I'm reading your monologue on this show.
	So please put a little bit more effort into it.
	Do you remember this?
	People right after 9-11 were suspecting that they might do something with Indian Point, which would affect like millions of people.
	Well, I'm not sure they were going for maximum damage.
	I think they were going for maximum optics.
	And New York City, World Trade Center, I think you achieved your goal better than inconveniencing people's water supply in a place, a state that no one likes or cares about.
	I didn't know if you know that, California.
	We know, as New Yorkers, we know when we travel everyone hates us, but I don't think Californians realize that everyone hates them.
	Especially L.A. Hey guys, my memory's pretty hazy, but that's how it goes when 20 years pass.
	I was in eighth grade in Southwest Iowa.
	I already don't care.
	I had first-period algebra when the first tower was hit.
	Second period was in social studies.
	I thought you get periods every 28 days.
	25 days?
	You might be pregnant.
	We walk into the room and our teacher was just sitting at his desk in the back room with the TV on.
	He told us something bad had happened in NYC.
	We watched the live broadcast as the second plane hit.
	He rushed to turn the TV off.
	He then proceeded to explain to us, with tears in his eyes, that what we saw couldn't have been an accident.
	As the day ended and finally getting a full grasp on the day, I wasn't sure what to feel.
	Anger, sadness for sure.
	But as a 13-year-old, it didn't seem to fully hit.
	Not until a couple weeks later.
	My dad was a Kansas City Chiefs season ticket holder.
	As fate would have it, the first game the Chiefs would play after 9-11 was the New York Giants.
	Oh yeah, I remember that was a big day, the first Mets game, and they came out wearing an MYPD hat.
	And it's in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
	That hat.
	As most people are aware, they normally have someone lined up to sing the national anthem.
	For this one, they didn't.
	We stood there with a field-size flag.
	Field-sized.
	And it's field-dash-sized.
	Sorry.
	Singing in unison with 78,000 other Americans.
	It was the first time I saw a tear stream down my father's face.
	That's when it hit me.
	I still get chills remembering that day.
	They had fireman boots going up and down every aisle, collecting money to send to NYC.
	That's America.
	I will never forget.
	All right, let's get to the final video.
	I want to add just a brief moment of levity before we say our goodbyes and introduce the weekend.
	But I think the levity is relevant too because we discovered this week that we no longer have to guess if people are kidding or not.
	There's enough comedy around us in Clown World to enjoy ourselves.
	So when people call you a bigot for saying Muslims did 911, 911, 9-11, laugh.
	Enjoy yourself.
	That's funny.
	And this is funny too.
	Now, keep in mind that this low-budget African news show is using lawn chairs as their chairs because no one's going to see the chairs, so might as well save some money.
	Is that a place and a point for them to raise that?
	Or is it a done deal by the time Trevor Manual?
	It's actually an opportunity for members of parliament to actually contract and go through the documentation that is going to be presented to the public.
	And the opportunity for proper engagement is actually after the tabling of the hearing is that as we have to do.
	We just have to.
	Very Zach Galfanakis.
	Yeah, wow.
	See, slapstick is everywhere.
	God, it's funny, too.
	Do you hear the noise he made when he took a spill?
	I want to be presented to the public.
	And the opportunity for proper engagement is actually after the tabling of the.
	I didn't hear that.
	When I hear retarded, I just put my ear up to the microphone.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	I feel like you.
	That's crazy.
	Okay.
	Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all of these terrorists seem to be Muslims.
	Yes, there have been some racist white supremacist attacks over the past 10 years.
	There have been about 40 people killed post-9-11 in white supremacist attacks.
	I'm throwing in like Dylan Roof and that kind of stuff.
	This is in a world where you call everyone who supports Trump a white supremacist.
	So basically, you're talking about hundreds of millions of people and you've got 40 deaths.
	The Muslim attacks in America in the past 10 or so years is almost 182 people dead.
	We've got eight in the Westside Highway, 13 in San Bernardino, 14 in Fort Hood, and then we had 49 at Pulse.
	Four major attacks.
	And I'm not including the beheading at that meat packing plant and other, you know, one-person things.
	I'm talking about mass killings.
	So that's 84 dead.
	But here's what's relevant about the 84 dead.
	1% of the population.
	See, this is what the left doesn't get.
	And this is what we're not allowed to notice, is disproportionate numbers.
	The left doesn't know that word, disproportionate.
	1% of the people, 200% of the terrorist deaths.
	Those aren't good stats.
	Here's another stat for you.
	One in four American Muslims, males between the age of 18 and 24, one in four, 25% think suicide bombing is sometimes or often justified.
	I'm allowed to be wary.
	I'm allowed to be dubious.
	These are concerns I have.
	And it's not xenophobia.
	Who the fuck is calling me right now?
	My mom.
	I stored my records at her house and she's sending me all these pictures going, what should I do with these?
	Old people want to unload all their shit.
	Anyway, sorry.
	It's okay to be dubious.
	And it's not xenophobia because we don't feel this way about Hindus or Sikhs or any other group.
	We are brave enough and honest enough to notice that there is a terrorism problem in America.
	It's not White supremacy, so shut the fuck up with your proud boys and your oath keepers and all your other groups that meandered into the Capitol on January 6th.
	There was one death because of that trespassing violation, and it was one of ours.
	A needless death by a black Antifa who was egging on a woman saying, go, go, go through the window, go, go.
	And she was shot by a black guy, an incompetent affirmative action hire who regularly left his gun around in the bathroom because he's a retard who doesn't deserve the job.
	So this is a sad weekend in many ways because Islam got us.
	But it's a sadder weekend if we refuse to recognize that.
	And the positive side is that not only can we acknowledge that the East is the worst, but we can also acknowledge on this weekend that the West is the best.
	As Pat Buchanan said, our behavior towards the Indians was not what one would expect for people to whom the Sermon on the Mount was divine command.
	Yes, we participated in slavery, but the West did not invent slavery, yet the West alone abolished it.
	So we're not going to lie and pretend that this was not a Muslim attack.
	This was an Eastern attack on the West, a Muslim attack on a Christian nation.
	We're not going to ignore that, and we're never going to forget that.
	And while we take note of that, we are also going to recognize that the West is the best, and we have created the greatest civilization in history.
	Get fired, get in trouble, be brave, and never stop fighting.
	What so proudly we pale at the twilight's last gleaming, whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight for the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and

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