That was Savage by BarbaQT, BBQT, band from Austin.
And it's kind of the focus on today's show.
It's the lead singer Gabby, the woman who writes all the songs.
Fascinating woman.
Insanely hot.
My type.
She's in the dictionary under My Type.
But we're declaring her today the queen of clown world.
You can get these shirts on the site, free speech.tv.
Many have.
Some have who were at Trump conventions.
Yeah, this was amazing.
Look at this guy.
There we go.
Shila Boef with suspenders.
Shila Boef got red-pilled.
Yes.
And he wears Clown Worlds, Clown World shirts on national television.
Thank you for that, sir.
That's a great plug.
InfoWars sure loves the Clown World stuff.
A little bit.
It's kind of weird.
It's kind of like when your best friend, like you start wearing a leather jacket all the time, and then your best friend wears one and you go, that's cool.
I mean, I like leather jackets, but I don't know.
It's kind of my thing.
So you're a rocker now, too?
You weren't really a rocker when we met.
No, he was a big clown world guy.
In fact, I don't think I invented Clown World.
So I ain't about to get territorial, but their Clown World logo sure looks like ours.
It's actually exactly the same.
We have the Clown emoji on the world emoji, and they have the clown emoji on top of more of a longitude-latitude world.
We have the sort of planets.
The planets, the continents.
It's darn similar.
Here's theirs.
Oh, wait.
What are you doing?
There it is.
You just passed it.
Did I?
Oh, there.
Yeah, in the little one.
So it's in the middle there.
Here, I'll get a bigger one.
I'll get a bigger one.
Wait, we have the longitude, latitude, too.
The only thing he's missing is the continents in the middle.
Right?
Yeah.
Jeez.
Whatever, dude.
We're united together to expose Clown World.
And Gabby is a great example of that.
So that opening song was called Savage, new single they're working on.
They're putting it out with a joint venture with the European and Canadian label.
And she writes it, and it's like, the vibe is like, sorry to lump her in with other girl groups, but the vibe is like Barracuda.
So she's like, I'm a savage.
Like classic rock and roll, runaways, Ramones, black chucks, leather jackets, switchblades, you know, fucking sexy chicks and stilettos, all that shit.
That sort of classic post-punk rock, maybe pre-punk rock, like Johnny Thunder's kind of shit, where it's not punk, but it's as punk as rock and roll gets.
Nah, I mean?
And so, yeah, she's a savage.
The Canadian label said, no, you're out.
They didn't quite do that in a very courageous way.
They just sort of farted her away.
And it's, guess why?
I'm at the point now where I can't guess what their gripes are going to be.
Like, if you're dressed as Hitler on the cover of your record and the label says, no, got it.
In fact, the Black Lips wanted to call their album The Last of the White Niggers.
And Vice Records said new.
But that was a big thing with that writer who was a big writer in the 70s.
He wrote for Rolling Stone.
He's kind of a cool guy.
Although he totally backtracked on using that.
What was his name?
Fat guy with a mustache.
Hi, welcome to the senile old show.
Just look up that rude phrase I just said.
Okay.
Last of the white, and then type out the bad word.
And you'll see the shirt.
Shirt.
Okay.
I typed in 19 writer, 1970s Rolling Stones, Last of the White.
I know you're at home watching and going.
Billy Preston?
Lenny Gripman!
Is it?
No.
Just go.
Last of the white N-word shirt.
Why do I have to, why do we as the community, you the viewer and me the host, have to drag you through your job?
There he is.
Top left.
Why was that such a thing?
Lester Banks?
Lester Banks.
So show the picture, clearly.
That's a famous picture of Lester Bangs.
Oh, look, it's me.
Peeking over.
That's funny.
That happens a lot.
I'll look up something and I'll go, who wrote about that?
And then I'll realize I'm the only one who's ever written about that.
But anyway, Lester Bangs wore that shirt.
He regretted it later, but Black Lips wanted to be named that.
And they said, no.
So that I get.
This you won't get.
You ready for this?
She's calling herself a savage.
The Canadian woman goes, that's actually a racist term for First Nations people.
So we're done.
You're fired.
You're done.
Goodbye.
What?
Like, they create hate where hate doesn't exist.
And you know what this is sort of like?
In Tropic Thunder, they said you never go full retard, right?
And it's, by the way, that part of Tropic Thunder was criticizing actors like Sean Penn who pretend to be retarded and then get an Oscar for it.
It's a cheap way to get an award.
So it is in defense of special needs people saying stop exploiting them for your own acting career.
That was the point of that full retard joke.
And when they're doing, when what's his name, Ben Stiller is Happy Jack?
They're mocking Sean Penn for trivializing special needs and being a special needs kid because that's a lame thing to do.
It's like blackface.
The Special Olympics people are too stupid to understand that.
So they said it was anti-retard.
And then they had all these kids with Down syndrome holding signs.
So you put the sign in the kid's hand and you go, this movie just called you a retard.
And the poor kid is like, really?
That's really fucking mean.
And that's a mainstream film?
Shit.
So it's mainstream to call me a retard.
Oh, well, yeah, I'll protest that.
That sucks.
No, no, it wasn't it.
You created something where it wasn't.
Didn't they had a screening just for them or something?
They had to do something very nice.
Yeah, the Tropic Thunder had to do a premiere for the Special Olympics, whatever, okay.
And all the cast had to go down there and show, and they had to donate money.
And of course, the guy who was wearing the Special Olympics got a huge raise after that.
And then Sean White dressed as Special Jack, and then he had to apologize because Special Olympics and all this.
Well, that's weird, too.
Yeah.
That he dressed up as Special Jack.
Special Jack is a parody of people who exploit Special Needs.
So dressing up as Happy Jack is pro-Special Needs.
You get it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it.
It's not that sophisticated, folks.
But in Clown World, we punish people for using the word savage.
So we have to talk to Gabby about that.
But before we do, I would like to apologize.
You know how newspapers issue corrections?
I have some corrections to issue from yesterday's show.
The jungle was not about meatpacking district in the West Village.
It was about meatpacking in Chicago.
Same thing, though.
It exposed the meat industry.
Got it.
Secondly, that Geraldo expose wasn't about a loony bin.
It was about a school for special needs kids where they were raped repeatedly.
And the unfortunate side effect of that much necessary expose was that we just cut out mental institutions entirely.
And I blame our lack of treatment for mentally ill on these shootings.
Not to mention the way we ostracize young people.
Paul Joseph Watson's been writing about this quite a bit, about how irrelevant they feel.
89% of UK Gen Zers, that's young people, I just call them all millennials now.
If you're between 20 and 40, you're a millennial to me.
Do you have that article, Summit?
It was later on, but I'm jumping ahead here.
You should be tenacious enough to be able to handle that.
Sure, sure.
He's got two articles up, actually.
There's the 89% of Gen Zers say their lives are meaningless.
In other words, why not shoot up a school?
What's going to happen?
I'm going to kill myself anyway.
You can pull that up anytime now.
Like, this says way more.
With those two shootings yesterday, one side wanted to pin their political aspirations to the shooting.
The other side wanted to pin the other shooting on their political aspirations.
But no, I think this is much more meaningful.
Go down to the first.
Oh, yeah, this other thing, too.
Basically the same thing.
Almost a quarter of millennials say they have no friends.
Like, how much has social media got to do with all this?
Jim Norton was saying on Anthony's show yesterday, I don't care.
He goes, I don't care what the base cause is.
I just know a bunch of people got shot and that's horrific.
I don't agree with him.
Like, I want to know why we had 9-11.
I want to know why we're having shootings.
It helps to know things like that.
So you can diagnose it.
But I get his point.
His point is, you know, in a court of law, you shouldn't know what the meaning was or what the impetus was.
You did this crime, you go to jail.
Which, by the way, is another reason Gabby is the queen of Clown World.
Not only was she kicked off the label for using the word savage, even though my kids use it on a daily basis.
Hey, see if you can find this clip.
There was a hurricane coming up.
And they said, why are you staying here in Florida?
You're going to die.
There's a massive hurricane.
And the kid, the guy's kid, jumps in front of the microphone.
He goes, we're savage.
Oh, yeah.
Remember that?
I've watched this one million times.
I really bonded with my kids on it, too, because it's the one.
Kids say savage and noob on an almost hourly basis.
No, that's not it.
He's got like blonde hair.
He's got a German accent.
And they're outside and it's already windy.
Like we're getting close to the hurricane.
Oh my God.
Here we go again.
Look up Hurricane and then put in quotes.
We're savage.
I did.
What did you write out?
Hurricane news interview.
We're savage.
Oh, that's not bad.
But no results found.
Okay, wait, what?
Just go hurricane, we're savage.
Anyway, not only has she been kicked off her label for saying savage, but she's also looking at a very serious prison sentence for having had smoked weed.
I'm not sure I'm allowed to tell you that, so we're going to tread gingerly there.
I may have to edit that out.
Why aren't you evacuated?
We have the icon of South Beach, so we're being savages.
We are savages.
We are savages.
So he should be kicked off his label, too.
He should be kicked out of South Beach for saying savage.
Oh, here's another thing, by the way, while we're on this subject.
When was the last fucking time someone called an Indian a savage?
Pocahontas?
Probably 100 years ago?
Not even 50 Years ago.
Savage?
The insults for Indians now are about the reservation and alcoholism.
You call them a chug.
You call them a squaw.
There's some controversy about redskins.
But a savage?
Savage goes back to the pioneer state, pioneer days.
They sung savages.
This is pretty intense.
Also, it's cool.
If I was an Indian and someone called me a savage, I'd go, fuck yeah, dude.
I'll fucking scalp you right here and now, dude.
Apparently, this article that she was sent includes all these things you can't do, including burning sage.
My wife can burn sage because she's Indian, but I can't.
And by the way, I know tons of Indians, and when you do their shit, like when you show up to a powwow and you want to sell stuff and shit, they don't dislike it.
They don't accept you as part of the group.
You don't get an Indian name.
I don't have an Indian name, although I was pushing Whistling Cheeks.
But so you'll never be an Indian.
But there's no disdain there.
There's no sort of like, that's cultural appropriation.
You don't see that in their culture.
They're more like, okay, cool, thanks.
Whatever.
Like when you dress Japanese to the Japanese, they don't go, oh, actually, that is my geisha culture.
Don't wear that kimono.
They go, oh, you have a kimono.
I always thought sage was like the hijab of aromas.
You know, my wife burning sage kind of made me a Christian.
Really?
Yeah.
Because she was burning it once in our apartment.
This is way before we had kids, before we were married, when we were dating.
And she's burning sage in every room in the apartment.
And I thought, I don't even know what this bitch's religion is.
And then I thought, how come she gets to have her private religion with zero scrutiny?
Like, there's all kinds of weird things with Indians, such as women aren't allowed in a teepee if they're menstruating.
And if they have these big, long three-day ceremonies for funerals.
And if a woman's menstruating, she can't go to the funeral.
Now, my wife argues that's actually reverent because she's so magical that she can't be in the teepee.
I don't know.
But if that was a Christian belief or a Jewish belief, you'd never hear the end of it.
But Indians get away with that.
So I thought, wait a minute, how come Christians are under such intense scrutiny and no one asks anything about Native American church stuff?
And then I thought, I'm going to check out Christianity.
Then, of course, when my daughter was born, I was really gung-ho.
So anyway, speaking of our mistakes, boy, we're really dragging out this intro, huh?
That's good stuff, man.
Another big mistake I made, and I would like to formally apologize to the folks at home, it's not making love like a pool boy.
And the reason I didn't look it up is because I heard it crystal clear in my ears.
And I've heard it before and assumed it was making love like a pool boy.
And I thought I was coming out of the closet as someone who's had enough of that lyric.
But my wife said the other day, she goes, why wouldn't you just look it up?
And Ryan knew it was make you look like a fool boy.
I thought it was a joke that you were.
And it was so stupid, you thought I was kidding.
Yeah.
And I beat you so voraciously that you were too scared to point out my mistake in case you got beat if it was a joke.
Yeah, it's almost like it's like, yeah, like a comedy trope.
We're just like, you know, I'm just not going to say anything.
And then, meanwhile, I could have actually saved the day for once.
This is the downside of abusing the help.
This is the downside of the music.
They become scared of you, and then they don't point out when you make mistakes.
I made a big, big mistake.
In fact, I think we dedicated a good 20% of the show to how stupid it is that Bruce Springsteen said making love like a pool boy when he never said that.
And we got tons of letters about it.
One guy goes, what's the matter with you?
Where you hear a song and you start imagining pool boys making love.
Keep projecting.
Yeah, how did you get like, why are pool boys running through your head?
Very valid point.
But this song's still gay.
Okay?
My point still remains.
Same with the jungle.
Same with the Geraldo Expose.
It's still a gay video.
And I would like you to check out Little Steven, his bald guitarist who wears something on his head like Tim Poole, so you'll never know he's bald.
Look at the way he sachets in the chorus.
Look at his eyes.
Go back.
What are you doing?
Is he trying to get in Bruce's pants?
He looks like a gay animated rat from a Disney movie.
Oh, you can do slow-mo on YouTube?
You sure can?
I'm such a boomer.
What do you do?
Press the slow-mo button?
You press the gear and then it says speed.
Slow-mo.
Jewish slow-mo.
Hi.
Oh, I'm a dirty little bitch.
Do you like my scarf?
Ooh, I'm seductive.
Hmm.
Baseball's sexy.
Ooh.
Oh, whoopsie doodle.
Ooh.
Oh, wow.
And Clarence is like, you guys are gay.
Oh, you know who that is?
That redhead is the backup singer you left his wife for.
Surely, lady, you knew that was going to happen when your husband went on tour with a backup singer.
What else are they going to do besides bone?
Hello, it's a bone.
Hello, it's a bone.
It's so hard to believe that that little sachet queer is Silvio.
What's his full name?
Silvio Dante, I believe it is.
Yeah, that sounds right.
Hey, Shiloh, I saw some pretty devastating footage.
Is it true you want to fuck Bruce Sprigstein?
I saw the way you were singing with your little bandeta.
That's kind of cute.
Tonight, that was a long time ago.
You would have been.
Why don't you tell me?
What were your shoulders doing?
Why do your eyes look all seductive?
You look up at him as if he saved your life when he had a man crush on him.
I saw romance.
You know what people might not get if they don't live in New York?
That is a real face.
Oh, oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Italians.
And when Robert De Niro does it, it's actually a face.
In Scotland, they have a thing called Sham Gabbott.
Ah, that's the face you make.
Somebody asked about that.
Sham Gabbitt.
Sham Gabbett.
Not the fight Face, you're talking about the fight face, yeah.
There's a name for that too.
The fight face is called the fight face.
No, no, no, no.
We're talking about Sham Gabbitt.
Okay, this is a fight face where you make after a fight, and you're like, What?
What the what was that guy's problem?
This starts punching me.
I'm glad he got kicked out.
I was, I could have beat him up, I was gonna beat him up, but he just came out of nowhere.
I was a bitch, and that goes on for three hours, and you're like, dude, I got it.
You got sucker punch.
Can we move on?
But Sham Gabbitt is like this face.
They see you, people, by the way, and they'll say, he's guy scotch, scotch, he's guy scotch, he's so scotch, he's so scotch, he's got sham gabbot, meaning the accent is so intense, it altered his face.
Wow.
And in New York, you're saying no to bums so much.
No, no, no, no, no.
That you start getting this face.
Yeah.
And it's an actual face New Yorkers have.
And Trump has it too.
During the fireworks on July 4th, everyone thought, what a dick.
Because everyone in the picture is going, yay!
Fireworks.
I've never seen them before.
I didn't know that China did this 8 million years ago.
They invented these.
Wow.
And then Trump is like this.
But that's him smiling.
The seven faces of Donald Trump?
There's that one, the alpha face?
The angry face?
Shinjut?
Yeah, yeah.
The Shinjut.
That's pretty fun.
That's not unhappy.
No, no, no.
Like you could say, hey, Donald, I have a great idea.
Why don't we go to a water park with the kids, and then there's a bar downstairs, and after we go for a few rides, then you and I can get a beer.
And he's like, that sounds like kind of fun.
There you go.
You might even get that.
And that's after you went to the water park.
What is that?
And that's when people say, why did you take your shirt off at the water park?
He's like, why wouldn't I?
I'm embarrassed at my boobs.
I love my boobs.
This is him loving his boobs.
Yeah.
In fact, if I could kiss my boobs, I'd kiss them right now.
All right, that's enough.
So check out the disparity between Silvio sacheting on the stage and Silvio defending his cheese crumbs.
This is the sachet.
Oh, fuck.
Better check.
Don't rush me, Sunshine.
You've been rushing me all fucking night.
Yeah, he didn't study this hard in school.
John, please, the bet's not to you.
Good.
Taylor controls the game.
Thank you.
Do you think I'm mind?
What's the question?
Which palace do you think was ad-lib?
I don't know.
That's a good question.
David Chase is such a great writer, you'd be an asshole to ignore his script.
But the bit of this rant seems kind of ad-lib.
But go ahead.
Fuck up and blow that fucker smoke somewhere else.
*crunch*
What the fuck are you doing?
Chill, take it easy.
I'm losing my balls over here.
This fucking moron's playing Hazel.
Get the fuck out of here.
I was just trying to sweep the cheese away from you.
Why?
Why now?
Leave it there.
I don't know.
I was just.
What?
Where do you get these fucking idiots, huh?
Where do you get them?
He's sweeping the cheese.
I'm trying to get the cheese.
I like you better than little Steven.
Yeah, if I was his wife, I'd say, can you not be you and just be Silvio from now on?
I'm sorry.
It's better than divorce.
It's better than those bedroom eyes.
Yeah, all right?
I love fucking cheese at my feet.
I stick motherfucking puffalon in my socks at night so they smell like your sister's crotch in the morning.
All right?
That's not.
You'll eat the fucking cocksucking cheese.
That's a good one.
Especially if he was insecure about his sister's vagina.
Have a good time.
Yeah.
You might have hit on something there.
Yeah.
That's collagenal from Bronxdale.
800.
They're ripping off the Joe Pesci scene in Goodfellas.
Not ripping off.
A little bit with Spider.
Homage.
Oh, good.
That was fast.
Which one?
The one we played at Cowboy.
Shane?
Oklahoma kid.
Shane.
Oklahoma kid.
That's me.
I'm the Oklahoma kid.
You fucking barman.
It's me.
Yahoo, you motherfucking barman.
see it's the same thing one guy losing his Now he's moving.
He said, but now he's moving.
The same when Michael Richards said the N-word a million times and he realized what he's done and he's kind of trying to play it down.
He goes, you see?
Words.
Words have power.
Oh, wow.
Backpedaling, but in character.
Powerful word.
That was my point.
I just ended my career.
I'm done.
Wow.
That's a word.
That's very observant.
But you know what's really spooky about that is who was he shooting?
He was shooting Christopher, who ended up being in the Sopranos.
Spooky.
I'm doing a Scottish archetype.
There's two types of people in Scotland that really annoy you in pubs.
One is the know-it-all, who talks about how everything was invented by Scots.
And the other is the guy who thinks outside the box and says, maybe every day is Halloween.
And on Halloween, we're truly ourselves.
Whoa, maybe this is a dream.
And when you're asleep, that's reality.
And you're just like, yeah, dude, you spend too much time in this fucking pub.
And I was thrilled to see Harry and Paul cover these two archetypes that I grew up with going to my uncle's pub.
Everything's better in Scotland.
Oh, there goes my telephone invented by a Scotsman.
Hello, mother.
How's the weather in Scotland?
Oh, that'll be the English weather moving north.
Don't you worry about him, Paul.
We know all like that.
I take a sideways look at life.
Imagine if we didn't have doors.
But like, we're all living in one massive room.
Spookyam.
Spooky and that's pleasant.
Speaking of spooky, you ready for this one?
Check out this clip from Caddyshack.
It's got the word savage in it.
Fill your bag like something with Tina.
Turn it up.
Man in the boat overlord.
You beast, you savage.
Come on, bark like a dog, Marie.
You beast, you savage.
Come on, bark like a dog.
Now, you want to know what's spooky about that.
Caddyshack was written by Doug Kenney, who also wrote Animal House.
Now, Doug's feeder was a tennis instructor, which meant he was lower-middle-class or even blue-collar.
Probably made the equivalent today of 50k, 45k a year.
But if you're a tennis instructor, you hang out at a country club a lot because that's where you work and you live near a country club.
So Doug Kenney grew up poor in a very rich area.
Guess who else did?
Gabby from BBQT.
Her mother was a Guatemalan maid.
And so she grew up in a fancy Tucker Carlson part of Washington, D.C. But she was poor.
Just like Doug Kenney.
And in Doug Kenney's movie, he called a woman a savage.
And she just lost her record label for calling herself a savage.
Spooky!
There he is.
Stork.
What are we supposed to do, you moron?
Stork?
Doug Kenney killed himself because everyone hated Caddyshack.
Caddyshack was so good that it took everyone about a year to realize its brilliance.
I watched it last night.
It has no plot.
I mean, there's the championship Caddyshack competition where they all golf against each other competing for a scholarship, I believe.
That's not really a plot.
It's like a series of events.
Kind of like breaking away.
Lots of movies back then in the 70s and 80s.
Remember, Losers Mumble.
They didn't have plots.
Anyway, before we talk to Gabby, though, let's play two of her songs.
Not the whole songs.
Because Savage isn't her best song.
She's got some great jams.
Yeah, I like their older stuff.
And the videos are so cool.
Come on, everyone, let's go!
Come on, everyone, let's go!
That's not her.
Just classic 50s punk.
Punk was around the 50s, David.
I know, I'm saying it's a combination of rock and rock.
What's the next song?
Do the other one.
Her other videos are so...
This reminds me of the Replacements video where it's just a speaker the whole time.
See, do you get the vibe?
Is this an anti-Aboriginal band?
Are they mocking First Nations?
I love how this white woman in Canada, too, is is worried about brain control is offended on behalf of Indians.
I think that was done in post.
Yeah.
I love her teeth.
Do you have the best that you need?
I found nothing to be clean on.
We'll be right back.
All right, we get it.
Let's talk to her.
And let's try to get as spooky as possible.
Kind of a sideways look at life.
Fuck you.
When there's nothing going on.
I thought you said I'm all right.
Gabby, are you there?
Hello.
How you doing?
I'm doing pretty good.
Can't complain.
Now, you're in Austinite, but it looks in the background like judging by the sunlight, that's DC.
Yeah, yeah, you got it.
What's going on in DC?
Well, I'm kind of visiting folks here.
I just did a little mini tour, and I'm kind of stranded a little bit because I had some court issues to deal with.
Oh, what's your child support?
What's the court issues?
No, I got arrested in Virginia on my way back from a show for a weed pen.
So I'm going to be charged with a felony, which is pretty awesome.
A felony for a weed pen?
Yeah, it's insane.
But isn't that like how much pot did you have on you?
I didn't have any.
It was just the weed pen.
There was no weed in the pen?
No, it was like a cartridge.
Like, they literally just found a cartridge.
Holy crap, that still happens?
Dude, it's bullshit.
It's Virginia, though, so like.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know Virginia was in the 1980s.
Really?
They're pretty tight over there.
So is your lawyer saying, what the fuck is this?
Or is your lawyer saying, yeah, it's crazy?
I know.
Yeah, that's pretty much his attitude right now.
So it's got me in great spirits.
So could you end up in prison?
Possibly.
I mean, there's a good chance it's going to get thrown out, but it's like a 10-year, like one to 10-year sentence for that.
Holy crap.
Well, that sort of dwarfs the whole reason you're on the show.
That became a way bigger deal.
Well, I can't.
I'm gobsmacked.
What the fuck is going on?
It's insane.
It's so insane.
And then you start worrying, wait a minute, Gabby's the only one I know of.
What about how many others are actually in jail in Virginia for that stupid fucking charge?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it's insane because you're just ruining someone's record and essentially their life.
So it's a bullshit charge for sure.
Oh, even if you get like a month, that'll scar you forever.
Yeah, well, you just trivialized the reason we got you on the show.
I don't want to talk about the other thing.
I'm stunned.
So, your lawyer, like, has he dealt with this before?
Is his attitude like, oh, yeah, this crazy gun law?
Yeah, it happens all the time.
I mean, it's crazy potlaw.
He was like, I've had luck in this, so there's a chance we could just knock it down to a misdemeanor.
You plead guilty to that, to that, no, probation.
But I'm still like, no, dude, I don't want a misdemeanor either.
You know, it's like, either way, I'm kind of like fucked to say it bluntly, but it's wild.
It's so wild.
A misdemeanor, now you'd have a criminal record and you'd have trouble touring like Canada and stuff.
Yeah, that's right.
Because you had a milligram of the deadly drug marijuana.
Deadly, yeah, it's a Schedule I, like, same thing as heroin and like crack.
Wow.
I'm a junkie.
You've done a lot worse in the past.
Yeah, exactly, right?
You were.
Can we say that, that you were a junkie?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I'm, yeah.
It's true.
And I, like, never was faced with this kind of charge before.
So it's ironic that, you know, I switched to weed and here we go.
Wow.
I'm absolutely stunned.
Well, we need to follow this case because if you get more than a $10 fine, I'm going to freak out.
I'm going to make it my life goal to get you exonerated.
Can I go off on a little tangent for a second here?
I'm still saving the juicy part.
So you were a junkie in LA, and I have a theory about that.
In LA, people don't work nine to five the way we do here in New York City.
And I feel like, you know, you'll have a job, you're working on a movie or something in production or whatever, you're a PA, and then you work like crazy 12 hours a day for, you know, 20 days.
And then you have this huge lump of time where you're doing nothing and you don't want to drive.
It's too far.
So the next thing you know, you're just like, do you want to just get high?
And then people just start getting high out of boredom.
Yeah.
Is that a valid theory?
I'd say so.
I kind of, man, it's weird because I started with like prescription pills and then it just got worse when I got to California because it was so laid back.
It was so like easy.
Everybody in the city I was living in was a junkie or an ex-junkie or, you know, it's almost like weirdly set up for that.
Yeah.
In New York, if you were gone for two days and you were just sitting in your bed, people go, what the fuck happened to you?
Are you okay?
What happened?
Were you sick?
You've been gone for two days.
But in LA, seeing someone more than every three days would be crazy.
You'd be in a relationship at that point.
Yeah, exactly.
It's totally normal to sit on your ass for three days straight.
Yeah.
So how did you get clean?
Cold turkey, honestly.
I mean, I had been in and out of rehabs for like 10 years or so, and I just got clean in this very room, actually, behind me.
Oh, wow.
Are you doing what I'm doing now and wondering what would have happened if we had met 10 years ago and got married?
Is that just me having that sort of half your brain is a fantasy and then the other half is having the conversation?
Or are you just totally doing the conversation and nothing else?
I think I'm just doing the conversation, Gavin.
Okay, that's normal.
I guess that's the way it works with men and women.
Women are just like, hello, in the moment, and then the guy has part of his brain is wondering what if.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda.
Okay, now let's get to the juicy part.
Now that I found out you don't love me.
Tell us the story, in a nutshell, what happened with your song Savage and your Canadian, which I think is quite relevant, record label.
So I'm gearing up to release a new single with two songs called Fever Rocket.
And on the B side, it has a song called Savage.
And it's just basically a song about being badass and not taking shit from anybody.
And it's real personal to me, you know what I mean?
So there was two record labels that expressed interest, one being Canadian and the other one being a European label, a good friend of mine.
And when it got down to like submitting artwork, submitting all the files and everything like that, the girl who runs the Canadian label was like, hey, just before we continue with this release, I want you to check out this post I saw and it just opened my eyes, like verbatim, opened my eyes.
And I read the post and it's just like this list of things you cannot say if you're not Indigenous.
Wait.
Wait a minute.
We lost your audio there.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
After Indigenous.
After Indigenous, you cut out for some weird reason.
Oh.
Oh, you're back now.
That's good.
Okay, so things you can't say if you're Indigenous.
If you're not Indigenous, sorry.
Yeah, and you can't smudge or burn certain things.
And I'm just reading this, like, I just, in my gut, just get really, you know, that feeling you get when you're just anxious and it just feels like fire in your stomach?
Like, I got that way.
And I was like, hold on, let me just chill because I don't know exactly where that's coming from.
But I approached her and I was like, so my song has nothing to do with any of that.
Here's a good definition of like exactly verbatim what I'm going for and what it is.
She replied with, I'm just afraid that people are going to see me as ignorant or see you as ignorant.
And I was still just dumbfounded.
And I was like, well, what's your defense for that?
Like, what have you prepared to defend if that were to happen?
Like, what intellectual defense do you have for that?
I mean, I've kind of given her, like, I had given her all my explanation for it.
And she's like, I need to sleep on it.
And time went by, time went by.
A couple days went by, a couple days went by.
And I was like, hey, I'm just checking back in.
I'm seeing what's going on.
I'd love to start promoting the single, et cetera, et cetera.
And she just didn't respond.
Then the next day, like 24 hours passed, she responded with, oh, sorry.
I just had some issues with my bunny.
With my bunny?
With her bunny.
And I was like, I'm sorry for your bunny.
Like, I really am.
I don't think we should work together on this release.
And that's it.
I just kind of cut ties with her then.
So she fired you.
You didn't fire her?
Well, she just, like, she was jerking me around, not giving me any kind of explanation or turnaround time or anything.
Not communicating with the other label.
The other guy who was the other part of the record being released, which is their European record label, who is also putting, like, they put their money together to put this record out, right?
She didn't communicate anything to him.
So there was everything she said that she was going to do.
She just was lazy about it.
Didn't do shit.
So to be clear, you wrote a song and in the chorus, you call yourself a savage.
I'm a savage.
And she decided that was like the N-word for Indigenous people.
And she wasn't about to release a song called I'm a Nigger.
Exactly.
But the term savage is definitely used, it has been used in a negative way to describe Indians, yes.
But that's not its sole use.
In fact, young kids today, they have two things to describe themselves.
One, the insult is you're a noob, and the opposite of that is I'm a savage.
So my elder boy always calls my youngest boy a noob, and he calls himself a savage.
He coincidentally is an American Indian, but it's got zero to do with that.
I'm a savage with kids today means I'm good at video games, and I'm a noob means I'm a noobie, and I'm not good at video games.
And you didn't mean either of those contexts.
You meant another thing.
That's the beauty of the English language.
Savage can mean a million things.
Yeah.
I mean, I meant the like wild and untamed.
And like, here's a perfect example.
I'm going to show you the shirt I'm wearing.
Got it.
Crystal clear.
I'm a badass.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
It was just funny.
This whole situation.
So she basically didn't follow through with what she said and said, okay, I agree too.
Like, if you don't want to work together, I hope I can support you in the future.
If there's anything you need, let me know.
And I was like, furthermore, I'm fucking brown singing this song.
Like, in case you didn't realize.
Yeah, what race are you?
Are you like Guatemalan and black or something?
Yeah, half Guatemalan, half black.
Cool race.
So if anything, if you even wanted to take that fucking route, who would have the right to say it even more?
You know what I mean?
Like, fuck.
It was just so, so, it just, like, the dude in scanners when his head explodes.
That's how I was.
I was just like, oh, it was insane.
Now, there's another Canadian band also called BBQT.
Yeah.
They stole your name.
They sure did.
And did you contact them?
No, I don't, you know, I just, you know, it's funny because I have a, there were a couple like radio DJs in Canada who were like, oh, I was looking for this Canadian band called BBQT, and I found your band and I like you instead.
So I was like, okay, cool.
If anything, like, that helps.
But I'm just not, I'm not going to bully someone out of their name or whatever.
It's, you know, I'm the OG.
People who like my music like my music more, so it doesn't matter.
Well, you look more BBQT.
Like, it makes me think of Ross Meyer films and stuff.
And, you know, the runaways and rock and roll and tits and whips and chains and stuff.
They look like a little gay indie band.
Maybe the woman knows them and is trying to mess with you to help BBQT Canada version.
Oh, that's an interesting thought.
I never thought of that.
You get paranoid when you've been in this business for a long time.
You get scared.
So the artwork that you sent, was it that shirt?
No, it was me putting lipstick on.
Not wearing a headdress with war paint.
I was in my indigenous garb.
I didn't have corn stalks behind me, you know, oops.
And I bet when you wrote that song, it never occurred to you for one second that it would be seen as the N-word song.
Exactly.
See, what they're doing now is they're putting their prejudice into our heads.
Like they'll say, don't you think that's sexual?
You know, I remember this with the Puritans, the religious evangelical Puritans.
They'll go, oh, you're sexualizing some sort of kid.
And you go, what?
I didn't see that way, but that's clearly in your head.
Or a better example, sorry, would be that they had, H ⁇ M had a shirt and it was a little black kid wearing it.
It said, coolest monkey in the jungle.
And they got in big trouble for that.
And the mother of the kid was going, fuck you.
I didn't think of my kid as an ape when I have him model that shirt, but you just did that.
You put that in his head.
Thanks a lot.
Yeah.
They're creating racism where it didn't exist.
Exactly.
It was more about her trying not to come off as ignorant, trying not to appropriate her guilt.
Yeah.
And it just came out.
It just kind of came out exactly how in her head it was like unconsciously it came out exactly how it was supposed to in a sense.
And the other part, it's not just about that because that's not where I was coming from.
I was coming from a point of don't try and tell me what I can and cannot say on my shit, on my art, that I that the only time I can express myself 100% is through that medium.
And you're just trying to say no?
Like that doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, great point.
She's not firing you from McDonald's where you're flipping burgers.
She's preventing you from expressing yourself.
Yeah.
And that's your vocation.
That's your career.
That's your identity.
Your identity is a rock and roller.
That's incredible.
So she's stealing, she's taking away your identity.
A woman of color, as they like to say, is having her identity taken away based on some racist hunch that this Canadian, I bet she's fat too, this Canadian nerd came up with.
She is fat, isn't she?
It's just some weird.
How fat is she?
Like, what's her waistline?
42?
Pivot dot.
42?
Is that her waist?
So it's so weird.
It's so weird.
I don't get it.
It's bizarre.
Well, at least I got to look at a hot chick for 15 minutes, so it turned out okay for me.
All right, well, let's keep us posted on this.
You're still putting out the record with the Italian guy, right?
Yeah, totally.
He's down.
I mean, I've worked with him for a long time.
Awesome.
Okay, well, I still want to know what goes on with this pot thing.
When's the next step?
My next court date is December 17th.
Oh, shit.
Okay, I'm going to have to put that in my calendar.
All right.
Well, thanks for coming on the show, and I like you more than a friend.
Thanks, Gavin.
Appreciate it.
Stay Savage.
I did not know that...
She was that pretty.
She is pretty.
She's not as pretty in photos.
That is my exact type in the dictionary.
Oh, my word.
What a looker.
She looks cool.
She's a cool lady.
That just ruined my day.
Today Robert Crumb says he'll see a woman so pretty it just ruins his whole day.
That's one of them for you?
Yeah.
That sucked.
She's got that Eva Mendez thing.
The little nose, nostrils, and then the big giant lips thanks to her blackness.
Yeah, look at that picture.
In that picture, she looks like an Indian girl who's like a 6.9.
But in the interview we just had, I mean, I would feel mean saying eight.
Eight feels low.
What an insane knockout she is.
Wow.
Let us see that other picture you just put up.
I like that she has a grungy pad.
Yeah, she's way hotter than that.
You know what?
That's that.
Oh my word.
You know what's great about that?
Not that I'm single or she is, probably not either.
If a girl's not photogenic, then she doesn't know she's hot and then she has more of a personality.
Yeah, she looks like a 5.9 in that.
So you end up with the personality of an ugly chick and then the looks of a fucking knockout.
Non-photogenic is a blessing, boys.
You know another blessing on the same topic?
Short hair.
What?
But Gavin, you rail against short hair.
I know I do.
It's called buy low, don't sell high.
You get a girl with a shaved head, start dating her then, and then say, you should grow your hair in.
Yeah, she looks like an Indian IT guy in that picture.
And then she grows her hair in, and then you're with an eight.
So a girl is a six when she has short hair.
But you can tell by the bone structure, there's an eight there.
Bye low, and then say, now that we're in love, it'd be great if you'd grow your hair out.
Yeah, okay.
Fucking Joan Jed hair on an eight.
Yeah.
Like 360 live video thing.
You're like, there's not, I don't even see the person in those pictures in there.
If my wife dies, I'm going to get a babysitter for the kids, fly down to Austin, knock on her door and say, my kids need a mom, so I don't know what you want to do.
Do you want to pack up now?
We're not moving to Austin.
It's too hot.
But I guess the whole band should move to New York.
I don't know how you want to do this, but I don't have time for dating sites or anything.
You're my number two.
You're my go-to dead wife chick.
How are you supposed to not covet thy neighbor's wife?
I get all the other ones.
I'm never going to murder anyone.
Promise you.
Not a big stealing guy, although I may shoplift a toy just to amuse myself.
But what am I supposed to do in that situation when I'm looking at a fucking 8.5?
Not have thoughts?
God, thoughts.
Thoughts or thoughts?
I could read it up in this Bible that Milo gave me.
Oh, we got a letter.
Someone was asking what religion you are.
Christian.
I don't know about the denomination.
So I got to figure out that.
Have you ever been to church?
Of course.
Well, what kind of church was it?
Christian.
Pentecostal or something.
I don't think it's Pentecostal.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
Protestant.
Text your grandmother.
Right now?
Yeah.
That'd be unprofessional.
You're the king of unprofessional.
You invented unprofessional.
Does this sound all right to you?
King of unprofessional and queen of the clown world?
Oh, no, don't take her away.
Damn the monarchy.
This is it.
Sorry, I'm a little frazzled.
You really are.
I've never seen you smitten like that.
I'm starstruck.
You're gob smacked.
Yeah, I'm like Jackie Gleason in the Honeymooners when the TV comes on and he just goes, That pot stuff's ridiculous.
That's gob smacking.
What?
The pot charge that she's dealing with?
That's just baloney.
Imagine she gets 10 years.
Well, it's like the Proud Boys.
They're looking at 60 years.
Yeah.
Imagine going to jail for six decades.
The rest of your life.
Imagine being killed.
Life sentence.
For defending yourself.
I saw there was an article about it today in the Daily News, and they said, I quit the Proud Boys due to ideological differences.
Yeah, if an ideology is them, the district attorney, trying to frame Proud Boys as a gang and me taking out their leader so they can't make that point, that's not...
I think the woman typing it, she's like their court reporter for Daily News.
I think she just went, and he quit the Proud Boys.
Oh, shit, I don't know why.
I could Google it and look up the video where he explains it.
That's going to take forever.
Ideological differences.
Well, he's not going to sue me.
Ideological differences.
That's when people usually leave clubs because of ideological differences, so the odds are it's likely.
And then they also included the water bottle.
They called the glass bottle of piss a water bottle.
Even so, that is still a salt, by the way.
If you were to throw a water bottle, anything at somebody, that's a salt.
What about a human hair?
I don't think it's aerodynamic to make contact.
You know what?
I think the line is drawn right after human hair.
Oh, by the way, I read in the Bible today, this morning, something that has to do with.
Okay.
But check this out.
Tell me this isn't fitting of people that are unfairly being persecuted.
Blessed are ye that suffer persecution for justice's sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Oh, good.
Blessed are ye when they shall revile you and persecute you and speak all that is evil against you, untruly for my sake.
Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven.
For they also persecuted the prophets that were before you.
So.
Yeah, but that's two different cases.
Like, Max was clearly acting in self-defense.
This chick was just smoking a little tiny bit of weed.
She wasn't even smoking it, right?
No.
They found the container.
Unbelievable.
So there's probably no pot in it.
What if that was a leave behind from somebody?
You used to hear about that in the 80s with Reagan.
Because Nancy Reagan was all about say no to drugs.
And you'd hear about a guy buying a pot light for his son, even though he's never smoked it or even seen marijuana, and he would go to jail for 10 years.
Yeah, I've never...
I...
When I had a house in Costa Rica, our caretaker was this surfer dude who was on the lamb for having grow lamps in his basement, but no pot.
And he was looking at 10 years because this was like 1990 or something.
So he just hightailed it to Costa Rica.
And I had an intern, this black chick, whose rich black lawyer dad had died in a helicopter crash.
So all the other black lawyers, there was like a group of them, and they were all buddies.
And they took her under their wing and they go, anything you need ever, please, please, we want to help.
And she'd say to me, I'm 20.
I don't have a crack charge.
I don't need any help from lawyers.
Do you have anything?
And I go, well, I got a buddy in Costa Rica who would like to know where his case is at.
And I don't know how to look that up.
And then they look it up.
She goes, good, finally.
They can do me a favor.
Wow.
I'm desperate for help.
I'm desperate for a problem to help these guys alleviate their guilt because their buddy's dead.
It's probably their idea to go on the helicopter ride.
And they send her, and then she gives it to me.
He'd been exonerated for five years.
Oh, wow.
But he didn't know about that.
No.
You know what's fucked up?
He would help rich people build their super nice properties down there because he spoke Spanish and he knew all the contractors.
He was the facilitator.
You could build a $3 million mansion on the beach, but you had to do it through him because he knew everyone and you wouldn't get ripped off and everything was cool.
So the rich people down there worshiped the ground he walked on.
He was very important.
So one of them would say, I'll go check in with the lawyers how your case is.
And she would come back and go, yeah, it's actually worse.
The FBI is looking for you.
And he goes, whoa, dude.
Guess I can't go back.
Guess I can't go to my mother's funeral.
Oh, well.
Just to keep him there.
Oh, my God.
So I exonerated him in a sense and told him the truth.
He had a wife and a kid there at that point.
He started traveling around and their relationship fractured.
He lives in America now and the wife is back in Argentina.
So I kind of ruined the girl's life and she's my goddaughter.
Wow.
What a story.
That is pretty wild.
Spooky.
Spooky.
Yeah.
In a sense, I ruined my goddaughter's life by freeing a man.
Spooky.
Kind of a sideways way of looking at life.
All right, we've got to cover a couple things.
This is going to be too old tomorrow.
Oh, show that BBQT, the Canadian band.
Oh, sure, sure.
They look like total losers, and they stole her name.
They look like such indie rock pussies.
It takes all the badassness right out of that.
Yeah.
They're way more Google-able, too, which is a shame.
They just stole her name.
We're BBQT, too.
And it comes from barbecue T, like barbecue and then C-U-T-I-E.
And then, so that's the name of the band.
And then also, Gabby said, and I'll also make it an acronym, BBQT.
And they go, yeah, we'll take both.
Thank you.
Oh, man.
You can tell they never say anything offensive ever.
Look at them.
Ew.
I feel like they tried skateboarding for a little bit and then they just gave it up.
What a bummer.
Like they longboarded.
If you said the N-word to them, they would start crying.
They are allies.
They keep on top of all the different gender pronouns and everything.
They hate war and hate has no home in their home.
The N-word, by the way, is nitrous-grown wheatgrass.
Like, oh, I'm totally organic.
Okay, check out, speaking of the bad BBQT, check out this socialist conference.
This is the world they want.
You know when they say no borders, no wall, no USA at all?
If Trump was to hand over the country to these people, this is what America would be like.
Okay.
No, go.
If we want to defeat capitalism, we are going to need a party that will organize working people to fight for the demands that we want and to win socialism.
Thank you so much.
Just one quite a privilege.
Did you notice they're not clapping?
It's loud.
It's loud, and some people have sensory problems.
So that knows how you freak out at a socialist conference.
This is me screaming my face off.
I would say that's inconsiderate to the people with no fingers or hands.
Okay.
That's inconsiderate to little Steven.
Yes.
Glory days.
Oh, gosh, man.
Glory days.
I love you, Bruce.
Glory whole days.
Oh, Ryan finally made a joke.
Quick point of personal privilege.
Guys, first of all, James Jackson, Sacramento, he, him.
I just want to say, can we please keep the chatter to a minimum?
I'm one of the people who's very, very prone to sensory overload.
There's a lot of whispering and chatter going on.
It's making it very difficult for me to focus.
Please, can we just, I know we're all fresh and ready to go, but can we please just keep the chatter to a minimum?
It's affecting my ability to focus.
Thank you.
Thank you, Comrade.
Okay, is there a speaker against name chapter pronouns?
Privilege.
Point of personal privilege.
Yes.
Please do not use gendered language to address everyone.
Oh, you see her face?
She's like, what is going on?
What have we created for ourselves here?
What mess have I made?
So, just to be clear, that guy said he's prone to sensory overload and people are chatting and he has a mental disorder, which is, I hate chatter.
And then the other second guy was mad because the first guy said, hey, guys.
And that's using a gender pronoun.
Exhausting.
Egging.
Maybe that's a shirt.
Egg.
A big egg?
Yeah.
Eggsing.
Yeah.
I don't, you know what I'm thinking about the shirts?
I really like the hate has no home here, has no home here idea.
Yeah.
But the one, I prefer my opinion to yours.
I don't see it really selling.
Is that a thing?
Yeah.
We got sent the design.
Oh, I didn't see that.
But I do really like hate has no home here.
I saw in my neighborhood, I saw cars with stickers that say hate has no home here, meaning hate has no home in their car.
In their car.
Yeah, but when you get out, it's fine.
Hate-free car.
This has to be a shirt, by the way.
We're getting a lot of...
Brian Smith.
I think it's my shoes.
If I was wearing a tie, I wouldn't wear sneakers.
You haven't wore Converse with your dress shoes?
I mean, dress pants?
No.
You don't wear a tie and sneakers.
You're Gary Johnson?
Yeah.
Oh, that's unforgivable for me.
So let's make him change those to wingtips, and that's a shirt with no text.
Yeah, yeah, definitely not.
Have you noticed the Mets who are destroying it, by the way?
11 wins in a row.
They have too much shit on their shirts.
Sports shirts always have like Curtis Granderson, Mets, Nike Swoosh, World Series.
They just keep adding shit on.
Just have Curtis Granderson's head.
That's it.
Don't even say Curtis Granderson.
All right.
Oh, you want to see this?
There's another socialist.
We have to go.
The show's over.
But there's another socialist conference.
It's a very similar operation.
Oh, this is MAGA program.
That's wrong?
I think so, yeah.
So back to the beginning.
All right.
Safe, keeping each other secure, and making sure that everybody is able to fully participate in this convention.
The first thing that we have to talk about is Just pause.
Accessibility.
Her computer is $3,500.
PowerBook.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And look at this brand new little outfit with the little red scarf.
I mean, that whole red scarf thing must come from Cuba and farm workers and stuff who are out there sweating and they don't want to get sunburned.
And they wipe their brow with it while they're chopping down sugar cane.
Or an academic.
I fucking hate your outfit so much.
It is so phony.
Like the military thing, you wouldn't last 20 minutes on any military base.
The scarf bullshit, you wouldn't last five minutes working in a field.
And you're all about uniting the workers to demand more rights.
Wait till you get your first paycheck and see how much they take off, you fucking loser.
So he's talking about wheelchair access coming up.
He makes Miles McInnes.
Look like the Fons.
We have a lot of disabled comrades, and a lot of those are invisible disabilities.
You don't know who it is.
Invisible is a gift.
That's not a disability.
If you can turn invisible, you can look up girls' skirts.
You can watch Obama and Michelle have sex.
You can walk into Area 51 and see if there's any aliens there.
True.
You can hang out at the White House.
You can hear all the secrets.
It's a privilege.
You're a ghost.
It's pretty awesome.
In fact, in the Fantastic Four, that's that woman's only skill, right?
Yeah.
Yep.
That must suck.
If you're invisible, you're still mortal.
So they're running at a million miles an hour and you're just like, hold on.
Oh, but there's a reason to be invisible when we get there.
This is almost like, can all of you with invisibility privilege please show yourselves?
We will not start until you invisible people show yourself and just never start.
Wait a minute.
If I have to fight the thing who can just smash me to pieces, or the stretchy guy who I just can't grab, or the invisible woman, I just throw a flower at her and stab her.
Right.
Yeah, you antique her as the jacket.
That's going to last long.
Okay, let's go back to fucking Shea Gedouxia that is having a more difficult time navigating this space.
And this space was not created with all of their needs in mind.
So it's up to us to modify that space to make sure that everybody is able to move in the ways that they need to move.
That's true.
What this means is that, first of all, in this room, I see that no one's clapping for me.
It could be because I'm not engaging.
Are they supposed to be clapping while you're speaking?
What are you talking about?
So it's not disable-friendly, and a disability includes sensory overload.
So they actually did follow his lead, and they went like this so people don't get sensory overload.
Oh, I see.
All right, we're at everyone's doing this.
That's really important.
But let's hear one more second.
Even though this is a noisy space, when we can do something like reducing that, that's really important.
So please don't clap, shoot up these.
In terms of movement, right, you'll notice that a lot of these floors are connected by elevators.
Those elevators are very slow.
If you are able to use the stairs, the stairs that are immediately outside, and even better, if you're able to go across the way.
What if you have the exact same face as Miss Piggy?
What do you do then?
Do we supply you with a Kermit?
Hello, Miss Piggy.
I'm here to make you feel comfortable.
She's there because Jesse Jordan Peterson was going to show up later, and she's there to make him feel more comfortable.
Hi, Kermit.
And she's like, oh, this is actually Jordan Peterson.