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Live from New York, it's Get Off My Lawn with Gavin McInnes.
Get Off My Lawn with Gavin McInnes Caber Techno.
That was a weird phase.
You know, Britain had Britain had some rocky times over the years with the soccer hooligans and the violence and the OI and the toughness.
And then MDMA ecstasy came along and Rave just exploded and it changed the entire mentality of that whole island and made them weird.
So Gabber Techno was a strange evolution of that, big and working class towns where when they would party, they would party!
Like party.
I mean, they would finish their shift at five at the factory and then go and rave on speed and E and stuff until Monday morning.
So if we have some time, we'll check out how ridiculous they look dancing to that music.
But we've got a special episode for you today.
All TV.
It's the TV episode.
I watched a lot of TV this weekend because I was hungover from all the holiday parties.
I did a bad job of parenting for the most part.
Let the kids watch TV and I watch TV with the kids.
So I want to talk about how bad 60 Minutes was with this crap about Nazi skinheads are the real threat to society.
Not Islam.
Twice as many terror attacks from Nazis than there have been from Muslims.
What?
I mean, you know that we have eyeballs and earholes, right?
We see what's going on.
Christmas Story Live also aired last night.
Very terrible.
I also want to go through The Punisher with my friend Daryl Wyman, the heart surgeon, and talk about a scene where they pulled an arrow out of him, see if it's true.
And then I want to talk to Joey Salads about Pete Davidson's new tattoo.
This is the SNL guy whose dad died 9-11.
He got a big tattoo of Hillary Clinton.
A man has a big Hillary Clinton tattoo.
Does that break your heart?
Do you hate getting laid, sir?
Speaking of which, by the way, I'm getting a little worried about all this sexual harassment.
I'm worried men are going to stop hitting on chicks.
And there are ways to do it that are not creepy.
I think I might devote my entire podcast on Friday to how to pick up chicks.
But before we get started on any TV stuff, Harve Cash.
Vance, did Weinstein embezzle hush money?
This is a weird thing about all this sexual harassment.
If you pay off someone who you molested and you don't tell your shareholders, isn't that stealing?
If I'm investing in a company, paying off rape wasn't part of my investment.
That's not part of the due diligence.
So that's going to be a whole other thing.
But though there are many innocent people in all this, it is fun seeing the guilty get caught in Weinstein.
Of course, it's a perfect example.
But Linda Sarsour is now in the mix.
Did we not tell you that you were dumb to have her lead the women's march?
Did we not tell you that Sharia law insists that women are second-class citizens?
Did we not tell you that you're insane for not allowing pro-life women on the march when all Muslims are pro-life?
If you're wearing a hijab, you're pro-life.
Yet Sarsour said no pro-lifers on this march.
I told you it was absurd, but you wouldn't listen.
Well, it turns out that she was surrounded by sexual harassment.
There was a guy named Mahid Sif at the Muslim Brotherhood Society for Women Who Are a Pain in the Ass.
And this victim, Azmi Fasalbab, went up to Linda Sarsori.
Now, these are more, it's funny because when you hear the sort of bourgeois white women's stories, they go, Gene Simmons put my hand, grab my hand and put it on his knee.
And you go, uncomfortable, but sorry, that's called old men.
It's just corny, really.
But this guy was harassing her, pushing his erection up against her.
And this happened many, many times.
And every time she went to Sarsur, she was told, no, you must be wrong.
He's a good Muslim man.
He's always at the mosque.
So she was harassed.
Isn't this great evidence of what you are replacing us with?
You're saying, I don't like white males.
I don't like Western males.
I don't want the patriarchy.
Smash capitalism.
Full communism now.
We love Islam.
Islam is a religion of peace.
I saw a big banner the other day that said, sex with refugees is jasmine scented and feels beautiful.
What?
But we go, you're just pushing us out and replacing us with people who are more homophobic, racist, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Less tolerant, more sexist.
Also, before we get into the TV episode, I want to talk about this Trump derangement syndrome is really getting intense.
Did you see this?
It's got to the point now where everything that's remotely bad has to be Trump.
This is, my friend Anna taught Donald Jr. preschool in Manhattan.
She asked him to move his mat one day and he said, F you, bitch.
He was three.
So now Trump is in trouble for things his son said when his son was three.
That was 36 years ago.
Or another doozy here.
Do you have that Jake Tapper one?
So Jake Tapper reads some big long article about despots around the world and how horrible they are.
And you read that and you go, finally, someone is going to talk about the bad sides of multiculturalism and why the West is the best.
And they're going to talk about Mugabe and Kim Jong-un.
And, you know, when I was last in China, there was a guy who was beaten to death by cops for writing an article that said the police are too violent.
So that's the rest of the world.
What's Jake's take?
Jake's take is President Trump echoes the rhetoric of despots in these countries with his combative slogan of fake news.
What's not fake at all is that journalists everywhere are under increased threat because of rulers Who take encouragement from Mr. Trump's malice?
Yes, that's right.
When Mr. Trump, you notice this is a New York Times thing, they often say Mr. Trump.
When Mr. Trump says fake news, then despots around the world, this sounds like a joke, despots around the world are empowered by his rhetoric to violate human rights.
And the last one, my last example of that, before we go to TV Town, is this article.
So I love the New York Post.
I read it all weekend.
And I'm sitting down reading a great story about P.T. Barnum, the greatest rogue who ever lived.
And he did brilliant stuff, too.
Like there was the bearded lady.
Someone sued him and said, that's just a man in a dress.
So they went to court and the judge saw this woman's genitalia and went, oh, actually, that is a woman.
P.T. Barnum had paid that woman to sue him because he thought it would be good publicity.
So that's an exciting story about a long time ago and bankruptcy and people spending millions.
That little midget guy, he blew his fortune.
He made tons of money and he blew it all on cars and drugs and whores.
Fascinating.
And then the last line comes.
Barnum's ambition, ego, and relentless self-promotion bring to mind another Carnival Barker, one who called his book The Art of the Deal.
That's just stuck in at the very end there.
What is Trump not responsible for?
What's not Trump?
Are rainy days Trump?
Are your herpes Trump's fault?
It's time for some culpability here.
And I will even take some blame myself when I bitch about Facebook and Twitter.
These social media are free.
So if you have a problem with them, don't go on them.
We're really getting away from culpability here.
And it's a dangerous place to be because that's what communism is.
Everything is everyone else's fault.
And nowhere is this plague more present than in the land of the television.
What's up, guys?
I'm Joey Salads, and date rape is a big problem in today's society.
So I'm out here at a bar today, and I'm going to figure out how easy it is to drug a girl.
What kind of drinks do you guys get?
Is it good?
All right, that's Joey Salads.
This bit has nothing to do with Joey Salads or that video where he roofied a girl.
He didn't actually roofie her, but he put a pill in her drink and then said, what are you doing, you guys?
You let me drug her.
You got to be more on your guard.
It's got 15 million views.
Joey's a very successful YouTuber.
But the reason I want to have him on the show is because, A, he has the worst tattoos in America.
And B, he grew up with this Pete Davidson kid who just got a tattoo of Hillary Clinton that was viral this weekend.
Hillary Clinton even responded to it.
And I just see that and I think, what the hell have you done, dude?
Could you be more of a cuck?
So let's talk to his best friend his whole life and find out just what the hell's going on with this brutal tattoo.
Joey, are you there?
I'm here.
Dude, I'm just reading my favorite website, Hello Giggles.
And the headline is, Pete Davidson unveiled his Hillary Clinton tattoo, and her response was everything.
What's that?
Thanks, Pete Davidson, wrote Clinton, who shared her most uncomfortable moment, blah, blah, blah.
This makes it significantly less awkward that I've had a Pete Davidson tattoo for years.
But seriously, I'm honored.
Merry Christmas, my friend.
Can you hold back the vomit in your mouth?
It's even worse because I've been best friends with this kid before he did SNL, then we stopped being friends.
So it's kind of upsetting to see an old friend become a Hillary supporting cook like that, you know?
Well, you guys were close when you were little kids.
Yeah, we were friends up until like third grade to seniors in high school.
I'm only 24.
I'm not like, I look 30, but I'm only 24.
I think it might be, you know, he lost his dad at 9-11, and he's kind of a, you know, he's a Brooklyn guy with all these, all these SNL people.
They're all like rich people from all over the country.
And maybe he doesn't feel like he belongs and he's looking for a family.
So he just sort of cucks himself with this ass licky tattoo.
And now that's like Brooklyn, but also them.
I don't know.
It just seems desperate.
Yeah, he's just trying to fit in.
He was like that ever since he started doing comedy.
Like when he supported Obama, he didn't even know why he supported Obama.
He just did it because he was hanging out with a bunch of black friends that thought he was cool.
That's really it.
Well, I have a theory, too, that I think he might be sort of imitating you in a way because you have nothing but stupid tattoos.
That's my theme, my body theme.
Me too.
I got Crickety Cricket because my son thought Jiminy Cricket was crickety cricket.
I got hamsters, gravestone, aren't thou bored from that Slim Jim ad?
And I have a tattoo of an ass on my ass, but I think you might have me beat.
Can we see some of your worst?
Let's see.
I mean, obviously, I got a vine tattoo.
Oh, shit.
There's a water bottle.
It's like an ogre-looking dad.
A turkey with its head chopped off.
A phone that looks like a chili pepper.
Why?
A TV.
An Xbox, a computer.
And this all has to do with like vine videos I made in the past.
Right.
Let's see.
I'll show you the leg ones.
I want to see the leg ones.
Yeah, let's see the leg ones.
Didn't Pete say, what, you're moving to LA to do vines?
What the hell are you thinking?
Yeah, yeah.
He was like, I was like my going away party to go to L.A., and he's like, you're moving to L.A. because of vine?
That's retarded.
And then he left.
It was the last time I ever seen him.
Really?
Yeah, this.
That's hard to see.
This one's a penis.
Oh, wonderful.
I don't want to do this.
And he's got a little hat on.
He's on his way to work.
Oh, my God.
He was originally supposed to be like The Mr. Peanut guy with like a monocle and like a cane, like tap dancing.
Yeah, I was like, it looked too much like the Mr. Peanut guy, so I made them change it to the Mr. Penis guy.
Peanut.
Yeah, maybe you'd have Mr. Penis.
This one's my favorite.
What is that now?
Guess what it says?
Oh, I know this tattoo.
It's like kung pai chicken or something.
Yeah, pork fried rice.
Pork fried rice, yeah.
Every Chinese place I go to, I always pop it up.
I'm like, I want this, and they hysterically laugh.
You know, tattoos, stupid tattoos on guys like us are kind of a way of saying we don't think that we're special.
Look, I'll just draw my arm here forever.
Like, men are different than women.
I hate seeing a woman with a big chess piece, like a big eagle or something, or a squid down.
Like, I'm like, lady, lady, this comes from sailors.
It sort of means like, I don't care.
But Pete Davidson doing this.
And by the way, his dad killed in 9-11, murdered by Muslim terrorists.
As you pointed out the other day, she got dads killed in Benghazi, but this guy's so cucked that not even a terrorist attack can wake him up to the dangers of multiculturalism and leftist politics.
Yeah, he's just surrounded in that little bubble of his SNL.
They're all just...
So it just made him hate me more.
And he's just, I don't know.
When you're stuck in a bubble like that and you want to fit in, that's what happens.
You get Hillary Clinton tattoos.
Well, it's a remarkably intolerant button.
My wife was out with some friends the other day, lesbians, and they said, we wouldn't be welcome in your home anymore.
And that is just so untrue.
And if you want the truth, we're the ones not welcome in their home.
They're the ones shutting the doors and saying, I'll never speak to you again.
We never cut anyone off.
They're the cutters' offers.
Yeah, it's like you gotta be really like, there's gotta be something like, I would never unfriend somebody because of a political belief.
Like, I would still be friends with Pete even after he gets that stupid tattoo.
I'll tell him it's stupid, but I wouldn't stop being friends with him.
I've noticed I've probably lost like 10 dozen friends because of my Trump tweets on Facebook.
Yeah.
The entire creative class, all of comedy.
Anyone in New York who's creative is you're done.
Yeah, it's it's weird.
It shows a lot about that personality that they can't be friends with anybody else that thinks the way they do.
Well, Joey, we just watched some of your videos before we started this interview.
It's fun to see you out there taking risks.
And something just occurred to me as we were doing this interview.
It's possible that as far as the stupid tattoos competition goes, Pete may have actually won.
He may have just trumped us to a new level.
You can't get any stupider than that.
There's nothing.
Tell me a tattoo that's stupider than that.
I mean, if a woman sees that when she goes home with them, she's going to dry up like the Sahara Desert.
No woman is turned on by that.
What a dork.
All right, Joey, thanks for coming on the show.
Let's have you back again soon.
Ben, see you.
Cheers, buddy.
Hi guys, you're familiar with this, right?
Let's roll the tape.
It's obviously that fetish we all have where an erratic, damaged Japanese woman who's on bass salts pours mustard on bananas and makes a mess with them and puts them in a blender and knocks over stuff.
You know that fetish we all have.
I mean, is this an example that we've gone too far down the wormhole of pornography?
This shows you that masturbation has become an epidemic.
If this is a thing, erratic banana messes from Japan, then we are masturbating too much.
I think it leads to the transgender stuff.
I think it leads to people being secluded.
I think it's led to rampant feminism and anger at men.
I think it's led to men just giving up on women.
There's evidence that shows it leads to half a million divorces a year masturbation.
When porn is introduced into a marriage, the divorce rates double.
This isn't good.
Look at this.
Look at what this woman is doing.
Look at what men are now being turned on by because they've become so secluded.
It's pathetic.
So I want to introduce to you a solution.
It's called no wings.
I've been pushing this for a while now.
You can only masturbate once every 30 days.
You can't watch pornography ever.
Maybe you can that one session every 30 days.
But you can only ejaculate in the presence of a significant other, of a lady, within a yard.
Sorry, gays and women, this doesn't apply to you.
So she has to meet within a yard, and it has to be consensual.
Because even then, let's say she's pregnant or not in the mood or menstruating or whatever, you're still establishing a connection.
And that's incredibly healthy.
Check out the guys behind NoFap.
Check out the lectures, Your Brain on Porn.
Your brain releases endorphins when you're with all these tens and it says, you're kicking ass.
And then you go out in the real world and you go, I'm a loser.
It's the same with video games.
Excessive video games, you're rescuing your buddy in Nom.
And then you get on the street and you go, I don't have a buddy in Nom.
You have to stay in reality.
Your endorphins have to be justified.
Now, I've been pushing this for a long time.
I didn't just come up with this this afternoon.
I've been pushing this for years.
It started as a bad idea with this comedian, Dante Nero, and we both realized we're just better guys.
We sing in the shower.
We're more confident.
We're more able to handle confrontation.
We don't care what people think.
You're more of a man.
Millennials, single men, this will get you off the couch and courting women, talking to women.
Dante calls it a brick.
You got to lay five bricks a day.
Five times a day, single men have to go, hey, how you doing?
Hey, nice dress.
Just any kind of contact.
And married men, I think it's even more crucial for married men because you have a fight with your wife.
You're sleeping on the couch and you go, this is real bad.
Like, I'm going to sexually starve to death out here in the tundra unless I make up with her.
And you end up making up more.
I think with pornography, when you're in the doghouse, you start drifting apart.
And that's the 500,000 divorces a year.
So guys, I know this sounds crazy.
It sounds like I'm saying never turn left on a Thursday or stop eating bananas.
But I am saying stop watching banana porn.
Or more importantly, I'm saying give up on porn and come back to reality because it's ruining your life.
A Christmas story was written by the guy who did Porky's, I believe.
He heard something about a kid's Christmas in the car on the way home and he turned it into a movie.
And it's a great movie about Cleveland in the 50s.
Segregated Cleveland, very white Cleveland, sorry.
But as adults living in a country that has a predominantly white background, we watch stuff like that and we're fine with it.
It's like if we emigrated to Japan and it was Japanese Christmas Day, you would go, oh yeah, there was the Emperor Sorihototo.
You wouldn't go, I want him to be white sorihoto.
But a Christmas story live was live, and it totally bastardized the movie to the point of ruining it.
They ruined the whole story.
Now, there's things you don't really mind, like they made his best friend black, where you sort of go, um, isn't this segregated schools back then?
Okay, fine.
Or they had, when they go to the Chinese restaurant, there's a, they go, we're the only ones here.
And then a Jewish lady pops around the corner and goes, not the only ones.
But then it started getting weirder and weirder.
Like, for example, that Jewish lady, she talks, they do a whole spiel about Hanukkah.
Now Cleveland is all about Hanukkah.
And you go, ah, okay, fine.
And then she says this weird thing where she goes, you know, Christmas makes us Jews feel different.
And different is better, right?
And you go, oh, okay.
I think we're kind of straying from a Christmas story here.
Then they make Santa black.
Have you got that picture?
And you go, this kind of, this annoys me, black Santa.
And of course, the liberal response is always, why do you care?
You got a problem with that?
Why do you care what people want to do for Christmas?
He's fictional.
And I go, there's an underpinning of going to sit on a white Santa's lap if you're not white is somehow worshiping white people and being a sellout.
There's something going on in America today where, you know, you name yourself Shaniqua because Jennifer would make you look like a cuck to the white race.
You would look like you were selling out.
And I think it's the majority of people here.
Get into it.
Even, and this is a little more controversial, but I even think Jews should celebrate Santa.
It's not the flying Jesus, man.
And all my Jewish friends in California celebrate Santa.
You know, get in on it.
It's fun.
There doesn't have to be this sense of animosity.
And to inject political correctness into such a wholesome old-timey story, it just makes us look so weak.
Like we can't handle the fact that things were different half a century ago, right after a world war.
Grow up.
But one of the stupidest examples of political correctness ruining this movie, and they did ruin it, were girls.
There's a scene in it where they're talking about standing up to bullies, and it's like, when you're a wimp, oh, life's tough when you're a wimp.
Doodly boop, bidoop.
Girls are not wimps.
Girls are naturally weaker than men, physically.
But at the beginning of this scene, they have the bullies come in and they're beating up the kids.
And then they drag two girls and spin them around and throw them in the snow.
And then the girls are talking about how when they're a wimp, and then part of the musical is about, mmm, getting tough, and I'm going to come back 10 times as strong and beat up this bully.
And you go, you know what?
Even updating that to 2017 is absurd.
Little girls don't get beaten up by male bullies and called wimps.
That's insane.
And the idea that when that happens, that women are going to, little girls are going to start doing push-ups and finally get their drothers to bop them in the nose is just stupid too.
Political correctness is a war on fun.
It's a war on America.
It's a war on everything we enjoy.
We're adult enough to look at something in the past and recognize that there was racism and sexism and blah, dee-dee, blah, blah, blah.
We're old enough to realize that 1950 is different from 2017.
But apparently, the people in LA are not.
And when they do a live version of this classic story, they have to drench it in agenda until the whole thing is a complete flop and it was truly despised by the entire country.
How you doing?
Good.
Where are you from?
Boston.
How's Boston doing?
Same as here.
No, it's not the same as here.
Boston is the most violent city I've ever been in in my life.
Not me.
Oh, come on.
If I were this in Boston, I would be stabbed.
I want Boston here, I think.
Nah, you'd be fine.
People go, that guy's fucking crazy.
What's he thinking?
I don't know about that.
I was at a strip club in Boston once, and I'm looking in between a lady's legs, and there's a dude there, because it's one of those wrap-around stages.
And he's looking at me like this, like, like, you want to go?
Through her legs?
Yeah.
So he's ignoring the naked lady, and he wants to fight.
But so were you?
Because he was going like this.
Like, you got a problem.
And I thought, this is Boston.
It's like a giant Irish bar.
But you're sitting in between looking through someone's legs at him.
I'm not going to not notice the guy that wants to fight.
It's a cave instinct.
Why do you guys want to fight so much?
I don't think we do.
Propaganda lies.
Fake news.
How would you possibly forgive somebody who would kill or maim in the name of white supremacy?
By the way, have you noticed that dorks always wear these sweaters?
It's especially true of lawyers in New York.
They'll wear a blazer on top of it.
I officially don't like anyone who wears a sweater like that.
Those are people who are irredeemable.
That is me in 1994, looking very much like somebody who is a terrorist.
For anyone who hasn't seen the story, An American Terrorist, the story was about...
So that was 60 Minutes Last Night, and it was all about the real threat to America.
Not Islam, no, domestic terrorism, namely Nazi skin hats.
And Scott Pelley got up there and told us that there are twice as many terror attacks from Nazis as there are from Muslims.
And we should really be scared of them.
And then they got this guy, Christian Porcelini.
I've known this guy, by the way, forever.
And he's mental.
He's been challenging me to a fight for years.
It's bordering on homosexual, really.
But it's about this ex-skinned head who came to terms with his hate and blah, blah, blah, and Charlottesville.
And they sit down with the ADL and they go, so there's more domestic terrorism than Islamic terrorism?
And by the way, they like to say since 9-11, so they can cut out that 3,000.
They can just trivialize those deaths.
And he goes, yes, right-wing terror.
I've looked this up, by the way.
You know how they get to those numbers?
Anytime there's any kind of violence and the person happens to be right-wing, like some redneck shoots another redneck because the guy had sex with his wife, that's domestic terrorism now.
Dylan Roof is domestic terrorism.
They don't see him as a lunatic.
They see him as this well-planned Confederate monster who was well connected with the white power Nazi scene.
I'll give you Dylan Roof.
I've denied it in the past.
I'll give you Dylan Roof.
That is white power terrorism, horrible evil.
Charlottesville, terrible.
Heather Heyer, terrible that she died.
Horrible.
But it's not a trend.
And all you have to do to know it's not a trend is sit in a chair.
Sit in a chair and sit there and go, all right, what has there been?
What has there been?
There was Fort Hood.
That was like 14 people, was it?
There was that guy who beheaded his boss, that Muslim, I think that was in Ohio or Oklahoma or something.
There was San Bernardino.
That was pretty big.
There was Pulse Nightclub.
Oh, we just had the eight people killed in New York.
We just had another attempted terror attack in New York a second ago.
We have had bombs going off in New York last year.
But Nazi skinheads are chasing me.
Now, I talked to Ezra Levant of rebel media about this, and he has an interesting theory about the ADL.
He says the ADL are hustlers, and they go up to rich old Jewish people who have justified PTSD from World War II.
And by the way, they're kids.
You talk to baby boomers, and they talk to their grandfather, and they have a form of sort of hereditary PTSD from hearing all these stories.
So they have this fear of Nazis, right?
And the ADL goes in there, and they go, I don't really get checks when I talk about Islam, but when I talk about Nazis, I get checks.
So I'm going to pretend that this guy is right, and there's Nazis looming around every corner, and they get paid.
So they're preying on people who have trauma in their lives.
Meanwhile, did you see Edmonton today?
Look at this.
Now, this is a riot that's going on.
There's this missing Muslim woman, and her husband is there.
Her husband is acting very Scott Peterson about the whole thing, by the way.
Very calm, very unconcerned about the fact that the mother of his child is gone.
They found her car, they found her phone.
And there's rioting in the streets and fighting.
I think the Muslim community thinks it's him, and they've been threatening to beat him up.
Look at him.
Look how calm he is.
Look at this other clip.
He's punching you, Ali.
I don't know.
I have no answers for that.
Let police do their job.
Why did that happen?
I don't understand.
Let people are emotional, and you have to be understandable in that moment.
Somebody called you a murderer.
How does that feel?
That's understandable.
It's all connecting to the police system and to the justice system.
Okay, that's enough.
Now, I just chose that as a random little anecdotal dip into Islam in the West.
There's Edmonton.
I think of Edmonton as the Edmonton Oilers.
I think of Winnipeg.
I think of freezing cold hunters and hockey, but not anymore.
Now you think of Muslims fighting each other because they're mad about a potentially dead woman.
Now, can you imagine if that was Nazi skinheads?
Can you imagine if a Nazi skinhead ran down eight people, not one in Charlottesville, but eight people on the West Side Highway, and they found a Nazi skinhead a week later with a bomb on his belt.
And then you go up to Edmonton, there's all these Nazi skinheads where one of the Nazi skinhead wives is gone, and the Nazi skinhead seems super calm.
I would become a liberal.
I would go, you guys are right.
But that's not the case.
The case is a giant hustle.
And the frustrating part about it is how effective it is.
*music*
I don't know if that's going to do any good until we get that arrow out of them.
It's a foreign object filled with bacteria.
The body's trying to fight it, but can't.
So white blood cells, fever, systemic inflammation.
Antibiotics are fighting a losing battle.
All right, so that's the Punisher.
I don't know how these single people with no kids can watch 15 shows.
I can only really handle one show.
So my show is The Punisher.
I like seeing justified violence.
I don't want you to just punch a kid on the street, but if someone is murdering someone, it's good to see them getting taken out.
But in this one scene, he's been shot with an arrow through the chest by some bad guys.
He's up against the whole government in this show.
So he goes through some rocky times.
But anyway, his old war buddy, one of the few people who knows that he's actually still alive, is going to operate along him, is going to operate on him here and remove an arrow from his back.
Well, yeah.
And I'm watching it going, can we talk to an expert, please?
Can we talk to a surgeon, a thoracic surgeon, about how accurate this is?
So let's go through it with Dr. Daryl Wyman.
Dr. Wyman, are you there, sir?
I am, Mr. McGinnis.
Now, you're a man who spends hours and hours inside people's chest cavities.
That's correct.
Just getting in there.
There's a vein there.
Sometimes blood will just go right in your face.
Oh, you're worried about hepatitis?
That's true.
You know, back in the early 1800s, I believe, in London, your job was delegated to the homeless because They thought it was so gross, they'd pay a bum to saw a leg off, and they would sort of be in the other room.
I wasn't practicing back in that era, but having read some historical works on medicine and surgery, you're right.
Well, as far as respectability goes, you've really come up in the past 200 years.
I think that's correct.
There's definitely more stature now than there was in 1802.
Speaking of which, I was watching my new favorite show, The Punisher, and I think all married men with kids, they like fantasizing about what they would do if anyone hurt their family and the revenge they would get.
It's just such pure violence, you know.
And there's a scene where he's up against the entire government now.
I think they're hiding something big.
And he gets shot with an arrow through the chest.
And I'm watching this thinking, I don't know, man.
I wish Daryl was here.
Can we go through this operation together?
Sure.
All right.
So it starts out, he's checking.
I guess he's put him under, right?
He's got some sort of.
It looks like he's either passed out from the pain or they gave him something.
The arrow stub you can see is coming out through the upper right chest.
And they talk about him having a fever of 104 degrees Fahrenheit and a blood pressure of 90 systolic.
So the blood pressure is a little low.
The temperature is indicative of an infection.
And they say that they got to get the arrow out because even though they're going to give him fluids and antibiotics, the foreign body has to come out because that's going to be a source of infection that the antibiotics cannot reach and the fluids won't be enough to handle the infection.
Now, can I ask you something?
These women who have these IUDs up inside them, don't those work because their body's just confused and it's spending time trying to figure out what the hell is in them?
Yeah, that's causing an inflammatory response, but it's really outside the body.
When you stop and think, there's a communication really to the atmosphere.
So these foreign bodies don't get into the abdominal cavity or the chest cavity like this penetrating arrow does.
So it's a different sequence here.
It's sort of like if it was in your mouth.
Correct.
I see.
Because I just, something, I'm just uneasy with anything in someone.
Even my son, he's got a palate expander, and I just, I don't like that in his body.
Like, get it out of there.
Well, inside your mouth, it's got a lot of bacteria there anyway.
It's not in the sterile cavities of the chest, the cranium, the abdomen, where it would be a big problem.
So if you have an arrowhead in your back, your body is using up 100% of its stuff, its white blood cells or whatever, to go break that down or something, to attack it?
It won't be 100%, but the body does have a response to a foreign body within a sterile cavity.
Blood cells of a nature that would fight infection are going there, but they won't be enough to take out an arrow.
The arrow has bacteria in it.
It had bacteria from the time it was in the quiver, if you will.
And when it goes through the skin, it tracks bacteria from the skin.
It tracks any shirt material or any other type of material that tracks in with the missile will also have bacteria in it.
And that bacteria won't be eradicated by antibiotics because there's no blood flow to the foreign body to bring the antibiotics to it.
So you have to remove the foreign bodies in general.
Because you often hear about people shot in the butt or something, and the bullet will just stay in their butt for the rest of their life.
Sure.
Bullets are a little bit different, though, because when they leave the weapon, the heat that's been generated from the explosion kills any bacteria on that foreign body.
But if the bullet brings in bacteria from like the clothing that it tracks into the wound tract, then that will lead to a wound infection and that will have to be dealt with at a later time.
Skin also that gets tracked into the wound, there's bacteria on the skin, and that may lead to an infection.
The body can handle some bacteria, but not a lot of bacteria.
Okay, so I think the moral here is if you're going to be in a situation where you could get shot in the butt, make sure you have clean butt cheeks and fresh underwear on.
Yes.
Okay, let's get back to this punisher punishing us.
Ooh.
Now you said you had trouble with some students sometimes.
They would pass out.
Yes.
Because this guy's about to go.
Yeah, it's a pretty graphic show.
A lot of violence.
A lot of it is very realistic.
And I don't think that I would recommend that young children be watching this show.
Does that look plausible?
You'd go in there with those kind of scissors to get the arrowhead out?
Well, what we generally do in a wound like is depicted in this episode of The Punisher is we would open up the chest through a separate incision, and we would then look inside the chest and see where the foreign body is and see if there's any major blood vessels or cardiac tissue or lung tissue that might bleed when we take the foreign body out.
If there's any major blood vessels, if you take the foreign body out before you get control of the blood vessel, then the foreign body, which might be tamponading any bleeding, and you take it out, the patient can bleed to death.
So we get in there.
That's always why they say if you see someone with like rebars sticking out of their chest, don't touch it, take the whole kitten caboodle to the hospital.
Exactly.
We want to get proximal and distal control on any vascular structures before we take the foreign body out, because then when we take the foreign body out, if we've got clamps proximally and distally, then we can just fix the blood vessel injury very easily with no blood loss.
Speaking of foreign Bodies.
Have you noticed that Brazilian women are more pulcritudinous?
They seem more buxom and have bigger posteriors.
I have no experience with that, Mr. McGinnis.
Okay, so you pretend to be an expert on foreign bodies, but there's a lot you still don't know.
I'm not pretending about Buttocks foreign bodies.
I'm pretending on thoracic foreign bodies.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Okay.
So here he pours booze on it.
That just happened in the background there.
Is that realistic?
It sort of is because there's an alcohol content to the beverage.
And we use alcohol-based liquids to sterilize the skin area before we make our incisions.
We prep and drape sterally before making any incisions.
It doesn't take care of all the bacteria on the skin, but it takes care of most of the bacteria on the skin.
And the theory is that any bacteria that does remain, it'll be of such a small amount that the body can take care of it with its own immune response.
Oh, I see.
Now, at the very end of this, he gets a piece of steel hot and he burns the wound.
He cauterizes it, he says.
Why wouldn't you just stitch it up?
Generally, we do.
The skin and the subcutaneous tissue, there's usually not any significant bleeding that would require what was done on the show.
We do have electrocautery going in and cauterizing small little vessels.
But in a situation like this, any bleeding site that we would see, we would either suture or just keep pressure on it because the skin and the subcutaneous tissue really doesn't have significant blood vessels that would lead to hemorrhage.
Usually pressure alone will stop the bleeding.
Okay, so overall, you would say this scene where the punisher has his arrow taken out was accurate.
Many of the steps were accurate.
I would not have been able to agree with what they did based on the fact that it looked like they were going into the thoracic cavity without any way to ventilate the patient with positive pressure ventilation.
When you open up the chest and he's not on a ventilator with positive pressure ventilation, you'll cause a pneumothorax.
He wouldn't have been able to breathe under those circumstances and he probably would have died.
You've got to have a way of inflating the lung when you open up the chest and they just didn't have it.
But he didn't go in through the chest like you would.
He went in through the back.
Yeah, you can go in through the back.
It would have been difficult in this situation because the scapula, the shoulder blade, is in your way.
Now, we have ways of elevating the scapula to get into the thoracic cavity, which they did not depict in their show.
Going through the scapula would have been very difficult.
I see.
The shoulder blade gets in the way.
Okay, well, last question.
If I was a vigilante who was murdering secret government officials and I showed up at your door and I said, Daryl, you've got to help me out, man.
I got an arrow in me and I can't call the cops.
How much would you have to be paid to take it out of my back?
You know, it's hard to answer that question because under those circumstances, you always have to do what's best for the patient.
Well, the government thinks I'm dead.
The government has written me off after I came back from Afghanistan.
So if you tell the feds that I'm at your house, I will be killed again.
The best option for the patient is to still go to the hospital, control conditions, save the life first, Mr. McGinnis.
You just killed me!
You just killed me by bringing me to the feds.
I beg to differ.
I think that I will have saved you.
Okay.
Well, I'm first.
You know, I'm inspired.
I'm happy that we went through this because you watch TV and it looks so phony, but it's nice to know that someone takes the time to sort of, they clearly check this out with a doctor, and it's nice to know that someone took the time to do a thorough job of telling a story.
I think they do have medical experts giving them medical opinions.
Some of it was very good, some of it was beyond the pale, but that's okay.
It's a TV show.
They have artistic license.
Well, thank you for guiding us through this, Dr. Wyman.
And we'd love to have you back for every single medical scene we see in every single movie.
You're going to force me to watch The Punisher?
It's a good show.
All right.
I'll try to keep up with you then.
All right.
Thank you, sir.
You're very welcome.
Thank you.
Have a good one.
What?
It's Gabber!
This is what happens when you work too hard and you get too high.
Look at this guy.
Hey, ho, ho, huppa, doopa, doopa, doopa, doopa, doopa, day.
This is especially fun with the sound off.
Look at that.
Poor bastards.
You know, this actually, strangely enough, makes me miss manufacturing.
If people worked so hard that they had to party this hard, we were a hard-working nation.
Britain used to manufacture, America used to manufacture, and we used to have to party this hard to get our yayas out.
Is it possible to ever go back to that?
Well, we'll probably have to stop watching a lot less TV.
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