Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh debate Michael B. Jordan's casting as Tony Montana in the new Scarface, weighing his "pretty boy" image against Al Pacino's legacy despite Pacino not being Cuban. They address cultural appropriation claims by noting Latinos' African ancestry, arguing an African-American actor fits the role similarly to how an Italian-American played a Latino previously. While skepticism remains regarding Jordan's acting chops compared to the original star, the hosts conclude that consistent criticism should acknowledge his American identity before promoting their Patreon channel. [Automatically generated summary]
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Michael B Jordan Acting Skills00:05:34
All right, all right, all right.
Michael B. Jordan is playing Tony Montana and the new starface.
Yeah, I listen.
Let me tell you something about Michael B. Jordan.
Go.
Very likable guy.
Not a good actor.
And I say this knowing full well he's a fucking joint.
Yeah.
My man is a bad.
That's a bad bitch, yo.
But is he a junior union?
He's a fucking junior.
But is it, let's be honest, is it all bald, eh?
Or is it...
Nah, my man got good teeth.
I don't think the teeth rub me the wrong way.
I'm being objective here.
Hey, they rub me the right way.
Do they?
Do they, though?
They could if they wanted.
But for real.
Yeah.
Okay, you think that he is truly a good-looking guy.
My man is a piece, yo.
I don't, I'm not feeling it, to be honest.
I think he's a great body, but I'm not feeling anything else.
What's not to feel?
I just don't think he's objectively that attractive in the face.
Objectively speaking.
And I'll call a guy attractive.
Mark, how you feel?
He's pretty attractive.
He's pretty, though.
He's not like stunning.
Al, can you be honest?
Who's stunning?
Because there's no stunning.
See, that's what I'm saying.
Stunning is gay.
No.
Ronaldo is.
He's stunning.
That dude's stunning.
He's not gay.
Yeah, but that's like he looks gay.
He only makes you feel gay.
He makes you feel gay.
Nah, but he's mad, pretty, and shiny.
Let's lock in on this.
You feel gay.
No, no, no.
You feel gay when you see Ronaldo?
Is that it?
You have a gay feeling?
Be honest.
I mean, I can tell that's an attractive guy.
But I think he's too attractive.
And I think girls...
Most girls have said, nah, he's too cute.
Too cute?
If these bitches don't shut the fuck up about it.
I've heard that a lot.
Like, you just say that.
Oh, because he makes them feel insecure.
He makes them feel insecure.
Nah, I think it's good.
He's too much of a freeboy.
That's what they're saying.
Ken Mario Lopez Ryan.
Don't you ever put Mario Lopez in the same fucking conversation?
Hey, real talk.
Mario Lopez got longevity now.
Yo, Mario Lopez got longevity.
And he got them dimpless.
He do got them.
He got them dimpless.
He got to be in his 40s, 50s.
No, he's aged.
That's what I'm saying.
You got to put weight on that.
He's the John Stamos of Latino.
So maybe Michael B. George is the hottest black dude for white women.
Nah, son.
He's like the safest black dude for a white woman to like.
He's like cute and like teddy bear.
Who's batter in black dudes?
Nah, black girls love him too.
Oh, do they?
I thought you just said it.
Yo, I just realized some shit, y'all.
Oh, shit.
No, I just realized some shit.
Let's go.
All right.
You ready?
I'm ready.
Al Pacino wasn't Cuban either.
So if we come for Michael B. Jordan with the smoke.
Let's say fucking this shit.
Real talk.
If we come to Michael B. Jordan with the smoke because he's not Latino, we got to have the same smoke for Al Pacino playing a Latino.
Yep.
Wow, bro.
That's the point I was trying to make to you.
You know what I'm saying?
Stay whoa.
Stay whoa.
You know what I'm saying?
We need to mock these niggas in the corner to sleep for God.
Yo, that's real talk.
If a white guy can play a Latin dude, can a black guy play the Latin dude?
I don't have a problem with appropriation.
Appropriate.
Just don't complain about appropriation and then appropriate.
That's my opinion.
Even if the role was originally appropriated.
Yeah, you don't got what?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Do two wongs make a right?
They don't make a white either.
So fuck it.
Okay.
Interesting.
So you're saying...
Two wrongs damn sure don't make no white.
They make all fucking they make a woo, hon. Okay, so you're saying Michael B. Jordan might have never said anything about cultural appropriation, but the community that is knocking cultural appropriation keep that same energy.
And I guarantee you they complained about Al Pacino being Scarface.
I didn't give a fuck.
And if Michael B. Jordan nails that shit and knocks it out of the park, hey, great.
Good on him.
I just want to hear those motherfuckers keep that same energy.
I mean, I'm a Michael B. Jordan fan.
My man is foin.
Foyne.
He's foin.
He's foin.
Actually, I don't find him that fine.
You hating, yo.
I'll say Cristiano Ronaldo is a fine man.
That's a fine man.
Yo, he magged shiny.
What?
Yeah, like, all the men shiny.
Just too much.
I like a clean cut.
It's too much where it becomes like you're not attractive, though.
You're too much of a pretty boy when Al was fucked up.
Hold on.
You like a more rugged dude?
Yeah.
Come on.
Come on, son.
You like a Jason Momoa?
Oh, that's like a man.
That's a man.
He could throw an axe.
Son, yes.
He can protect me.
Cradle me?
I need a man who could protect me.
Hey, Michael B. Jordan got hands.
You make me wet, Aquaman.
Oh, no.
What?
What's wet?
What?
What's wet?
Oh, don't start this, bro.
Suck.
Please don't start this.
More of their science talk yesterday.
Is water wet?
Not just water wet.
Is a fish wet?
A fist is not wet.
It is a fish.
They were really going for it yesterday.
Al, don't pretend like you weren't partying.
No, you were a party.
I thought you're so smart.
Quote from Al, fish is water.
Yeah, you were on my side with this.
Why are you rolling your eyes?
We were on the same team fighting against human.
He was snitching.
Six, nine.
Hey, it is what it is.
King of New York shit.
I mean, it's king of New York shit.
Al Pacino Casting Controversy00:03:56
I don't know.
That's what we do.
All right, but in all seriousness, what are we going to do with this movie?
Are we going to go see it?
I'm going to probably go see it.
Well, actually, I'm going to listen to how it is.
And if people say it's dope, I'm going to go see it.
I'm not sold on Michael B. Jordan as an actor.
I think he's a star.
I don't think anybody is.
They say he's a face actor.
Here's a question.
But he does these movies that get acclaim, like Fruit Vale Station.
He did another one with Jamie Foxx.
This one with the verdict's still out.
Did that come out yet?
What?
The one with Jamie Fox.
And he's a lawyer or some shit.
I don't know how she came out.
Yo, but maybe it's a bigoted thing on our end.
Maybe we don't see Latinos as black.
And the fact that there's a black Latino happening, we're like, huh?
That don't make sense.
He's supposed to be.
But if he was like, there we go.
Now, I really feel like it could be some shit.
Like, when you envision, like, when I envision an Indian, I actually envision an Indian of your complexion.
Can I say this?
Go.
It is not racial appropriation.
What is it?
What's the term?
Huh?
Cultural appropriation.
Pull my fucking dick out right now.
Do that shit, dog.
Keep that up.
Keep that up.
I knew I was doing something.
Keep that shit up, son.
That's a good-ass player.
Racial appropriation is.
What kind of appropriation?
I'll take off my belt.
Cultural appropriation.
I'll wrap it around my dick real tight.
You know what I mean?
Like the guy from Killbill.
You don't threaten me with a good time.
Talking about it.
Okay.
Cultural appropriation.
And Michael B. Jordan's culture is African-American.
Al Pacino's culture is Italian, fam.
That was appropriated, huh?
I'm just saying we know that's appropriated.
But if you have a problem with appropriation, then don't do the same shit.
I don't mind Al Pacino playing fucking.
No, maybe we're staying true to the movie.
You can never have a Cuban playing movie.
That don't matter to people.
True to the movie.
It's never about the artist.
It's about the culture being represented.
So I'm speaking on behalf of those people.
Yo, real talk because they never have that same energy for when like black English people play black American characters and that's not the same culture.
Ooh.
And Al Pacino is Italian American the same way Michael B. Jordan is African American.
Exactly.
Did you make my point?
I don't know what the fuck you're saying.
I'm agreeing.
I agree, but I was a little hesitant to agree.
No, like he's the same as Michael B. Jordan in terms of like percentage.
He's American.
Like they're both American.
They're 100% American.
They're the same amount Cuban.
They're not Cuban.
Latinos got black.
What?
Latinos.
Latinos have black.
In them.
They also have white in them.
How do they have black in them?
I mean, people were purchased from the continent of Africa.
And then they ended up in Puerto Rico.
So, wait, Dominicans.
Wait, all Latinos have black in them?
Not all, but a lot do.
Puerto Ricans, Dominicans.
Children of the diaspora.
Wait, the islanders.
Speak.
Yes.
My white brother.
Actually, not only the Islanders.
Slave trade reached Mexico, Brazil, 100%.
All throughout Panama.
A lot of black people in Panama.
Like, black, black.
If you had a dark ass, even Dominican playing like a fucking, who's this?
Like a big poppy-looking ass dude playing Scarface.
Cool.
I get it.
That's what it should be.
But you can't get an African-American and say that's not the same thing as Al Pacino doing it.
It's the same shit.
You know why?
Just don't act like you're going to go see this.
You know what?
It's cool now that we're representing.
You're not.
You know why I don't like it?
Black people in a big hurry.
Because I don't believe in Michael B. Jordan as an actor for this.
That's another problem.
That's the real reason I don't like it.
Dog, if it was.
That's the issue.
If it was a fucking.
He's not good enough at acting to pull this off.
And he's going to let us down and we love this movie.
And we love this movie.
We don't want it ruined.
No, that's a big problem, too.
Who should do it, though?
Who should play Scarface?
Only one person, bro.
Only one person.
Oh, man.
Yo, what's up?
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