Fear& - We Broke Our One Rule For Finneas

March 24, 2025 - Fear&

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We Broke Our One Rule For Finneas | Fear&

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Austin and Phineas dissect their "Fear &" podcast's fake production, revealing Austin's alleged gaslighting over his Portland finances and introducing the mysterious Cutie Cinderella. They critique Ashton Hall's edited TikTok morning routine and analyze Turkish barbers who crack backs, while Phineas details his Instagram unfollow spree targeting Joe Biden to reject fragile social dynamics. The conversation shifts to Paul Michael Larson's $100,000 "Press Your Luck" win and the hosts' advocacy for Gaza, arguing that Americans struggle to empathize with distant conflicts compared to domestic violence like Columbine, emphasizing continued support despite online backlash. [Automatically generated summary]
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Fake Sigma Grindset Schedule 00:15:04
	Okay, are you ready for this?
	7.36 a.m.
	7.40.
	Wow.
	That's four minutes of hang time up there.
	He just stays up there.
	You know what we're about then.
	We'll film the whole show eclipse.
	Most of this.
	Yeah, it's fake.
	It's not a real podcast.
	We're going to talk about made-up situations where I'm going to tell you, like, we're doing Sigma Grindset.
	I'm going to act like I'm making, you know, $10,000 for everybody that joins my Discord server.
	That's what we're about.
	Yes.
	You completely misunderstood everything from the clips.
	This is a Sigma Grindset.
	This is a Sigma Grindset podcast.
	I'm also faking my homosexuality.
	Yeah.
	So we can have like, yeah, we call my DEI hire.
	We're gay.
	And we're hiding that we're gay so that we could be more alpha.
	That's right.
	And he's faking that he's gay, even though he's straight.
	That's right.
	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the Fear Anne podcast, where we have a very special guest, Grammy Award winner, friend of the show, Phineas.
	What's up, guys?
	How's it going?
	Welcome to the show.
	Thank you so much for being here.
	How are you doing today?
	Also, thank you for being here on short notice because I'm going to keep it real.
	We almost had a VTuber on called Iron Mouse.
	And I've been trying to connect with you for some time now.
	And I was like, oh, man, I'm going to do this last second.
	Hail Mary.
	I'm going to be like, Phineas, you want to come on tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
	And lo and behold, you're here.
	You said you're down to do it.
	I feel like, I don't know if you guys relate to this or not.
	Like to me, months in advance or the next day is like the, is the sweet spot in my scheduling life.
	If you're saying, what are you doing in six days?
	I'm much more hesitant to commit to something than I am if it's like tomorrow morning and I know what I'm doing the next day.
	So I'll just show up.
	It's like a Schrodinger schedule.
	It's just six days out.
	I don't know what's happening.
	Anything could happen.
	I wish I could have that where like I can schedule something months ahead.
	I cannot do that ever.
	That's how you have to be with this podcast too.
	Yeah.
	I feel like an on-call doctor because I live in the Pacific Northwest up in Portland, Oregon.
	And I'm just, I sit by the phone to wait till we're going to film and then I get on the plane.
	We also have a bit where Austin just fucking lies to every guest about how he's the victim of his own circumstances that he designed for himself.
	We've been doing this podcast for how many?
	Two years now with you?
	Two years.
	You've known me for a couple minutes.
	You can clearly tell.
	Two years.
	You can clearly tell the gaslighting issue.
	One of the main things that we presented initially was like, Austin, you're going to move to Los Angeles.
	And he has not moved to Los Angeles for the past two years.
	He knows how expensive the real estate is.
	Rich of him to assume that I could just move on a whim.
	I have a family.
	No, you've told us that you're moving multiple times.
	That's true.
	And also, you have money for over a year now.
	That's true.
	But, you know, it's tied up in mutual faith.
	We don't know exactly what he does.
	Like, we don't know how he makes money aside from the podcast.
	Right.
	But, like, he has money.
	Of course he knows how I make money.
	He just, we don't know.
	I see him when I go up to the Pacific Northwest.
	I see him dressed as Eddie Redmean from the Fantastic Beast and Where to Find the Movie.
	He's roaming around with a fake empty wizard's hat.
	He's got spins a sign for a furniture store.
	So I take it you've been to Portland.
	I love Portland.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah.
	Look at him, bro.
	You've got remote energy for sure.
	I love it there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think it's awesome.
	I feel like you would have made a Portlandia cameo years ago.
	Had my had my short window of clout aligned with that show's window of clip.
	Overlapped with Fred Armison's independent.
	That would have been my version of being on Dave.
	Would have been Portlandia.
	Yeah.
	Have you been have you been on Dave?
	I was on Dave, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	That's subtle flex, by the way.
	You just know, I'm just making the point of like that's the current that was the last five years like cameo show.
	Our father's Portlandia is our Dave.
	Our Dave.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is tomorrow's fear and button.
	Oh, there you go.
	Oh shit, that was a shot in the dark.
	It's going to be tomorrow's like Bob House.
	There's no more White House fireside chat.
	We don't have, we're not making content anymore.
	We're not making movies and TV shows anymore.
	It's just content's over.
	So I think that it's done.
	The next meta is going to devolve spectacularly.
	Before we get too far into any conversation, I've been threatened by gun violence to tell you this.
	We have another host on the show that's usually here, Cutie Cinderella.
	Have they been ousted from my seat?
	What's going on?
	No, she's just left us for a while to vacation.
	And this is her message to us.
	Let him talk the whole time.
	Pick apart his beautiful mind.
	Austin, don't tell any fucking stories about planes.
	Hassan, tune down your autism.
	Will you're perfect?
	You can read that.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	I'm so mad.
	Fuck, fuck, fuck.
	Damn it.
	Oh, oh, wait, why was Cutie Cinderella mad?
	Oh, that's right.
	Because she's in fucking Utah for the past, what, 11 months now?
	She just fucked off and did a tour of some of the worst states in this country.
	Okay.
	And then landed on Utah, which is all right.
	It's fine.
	Hassan.
	Let's let Phineas talk.
	No, I'm actually not letting Phineas talk because of that fucking text message.
	Let's let Phineas talk.
	But yeah, no, she really, she's a lot a big fan and is very bummed that she couldn't be here.
	And then does that actually Cinderella use a government name or is or do we prefer that?
	We actually, this is interesting.
	No one knows her government name.
	Okay, interesting.
	She's fully alias.
	So I, yeah, and I, we call her cutie, which is like in public.
	It's kind of, you know, I don't know.
	I feel awkward calling her cutie.
	I've never even no, no, I'm just, no, I'm, I'm, I'm, look, I'm a gay man, obviously, but that doesn't go into it.
	It's just the fact of like, I've seen you call a woman Toots before.
	I don't know, just calling her cutie.
	I don't know.
	I get weird looks in public.
	Hey, cutie.
	You know, seems a little not of the times.
	I used to feel, I used to feel very awkward.
	I don't know if it's like the same in your space, but I used to feel very awkward as like, you know, in my late 20s when I started doing this influencer stuff or Twitch streaming in general, and everybody had a call sign.
	Yep.
	And you just refer to people by not their government name, but what their screen name is.
	And I've always found that to be so strange.
	I'm just super used to it now.
	I do.
	I completely agree.
	And I would say that in the music world, which is I'm more aligned with that.
	In the music world, you meet a, you know, baby no money's name was invoked before this.
	Yeah.
	What's their government name?
	Alex.
	Alex.
	Alex, right.
	But like, that's a good where like I would refer to them in a conversation as baby no me.
	I don't know that person, but I'm just saying that's how I, and and maybe they're not this way, but other musician friends are like, it's Alex.
	And I'm like, no, dude, I'm going to call you the name that people are going to understand when I'm referring to you.
	Like, that's how it, like, that's, I'm, I'm with you.
	If I have a friend who's got a.
	Do you have any aliases or gamer tags?
	No, I mean, I made, oh, yeah, my, let me get the gamer tag.
	I can't say the gamer tag once yet.
	Then my Fortnite game will be all fucked up.
	I just can't.
	Want to say Fortnite series?
	I say it.
	We'll bleep it.
	We'll bleep it.
	We have an editor.
	Yeah, it's stop.
	That is all.
	Are you actually?
	Am I actually a show?
	That show rips.
	All right, cut all that.
	Cut all that.
	He had a hilarious gamer tag.
	That's amazing.
	Yeah.
	I killed.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Are you public about your gamer tags?
	You stream.
	Yeah, everything's public.
	Nobody wants to game with me.
	I also put like you've seen him game, haven't you?
	I can't even.
	Chris.
	What is this?
	I'm not on my character.
	I'm not saying you're bad or good.
	I'm not good at it.
	I'm sure you can pass.
	He can't.
	I am.
	I will admit I'm not the best gamer.
	There are certain games that I'm very good at or above average at, but with Diablo.
	No, no.
	I would say from software games, I'm like above average at.
	I'll cook.
	Like everyone talks shit when you play games on stream.
	Everybody does.
	And if there's one where they're respecting you.
	Yeah.
	But it's kind of funny because you have professional esports players and their chats talking shit to them.
	Right.
	Which is awesome.
	Yeah.
	Where it's like, dude, this guy's like the LeBron James of flicking.
	You know what I mean?
	Like you can't come close to him.
	But I know that I'm good at from software games or at least above average because everyone used to talk shit when I would play Elden Ring.
	So I did this thing one day when I was like, I posted up and I was like, all right, pull up.
	And I beat the shit out of every single one of my fans in duels in Elder Ring.
	Congrats.
	32 in a row.
	But this is so Kevin Durant, like a guy who has time just to shit.
	This is the lamest thing to admit, but it felt so rewarding.
	Empowering.
	Yeah, sure.
	Sometimes those comments get to you.
	Yeah.
	But people say you're bad at gaming.
	Because the comic gets to you when you know it's a lie.
	No, the comic gets to you when you know it's still true.
	But you proved that it was a lie.
	You beat them all.
	Do you let any comments get to you?
	I don't.
	I'm famously oblivious to the comments.
	A sort of a common denominator in my life is that once or twice a year, a close friend of mine will send me a text and go, I just want to say what they're saying about you is fucked up.
	And I'm like, what are they saying about you?
	I'm like, oh, fuck.
	What are they saying?
	I never know.
	Do you entertain it?
	Like, you ask them?
	I'll be like, oh, shit.
	I was like, should I, is it something I should address?
	And they're like, oh.
	I'll be like, all right, never mind.
	I know some of it.
	I'm not like, I'm in the comments on other people's shit.
	Like, I'm very much like commenting, like, I'm being a hater.
	I'm a hater, yeah.
	Yeah, hell yeah.
	I'm in the comments.
	I'm in the comments hating.
	I like your main channel.
	On the main.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What's the most hateful comment you've written?
	I was watching a TikTok skit one time of like maybe a girl and her boyfriend doing like a little like improvis skit and I just commented hard to watch I mean, in all fairness, it probably was fairly hard to watch.
	It's fucking hard to watch.
	There's a lot of hard to watch things.
	Somebody's got to say that.
	That's so good.
	That's wild.
	It was hard to watch.
	Even the check market.
	To go back to your streamers interacting and being negative, a favorite phenomen of mine is I stay up really late at night and I watch the potato, the jacket potato guys in England.
	Oh, Spud.
	Spudman and Spud.
	Spud Bros and Spudman.
	Yeah.
	And what are their comments?
	You have to pull so that Will has a frame of reference.
	It's so English.
	It's the coldest line you've ever seen in a community square.
	In the grayest community.
	The grayest community square.
	It's amazing.
	Look at the color filter.
	Spudman.
	Okay, so I'll explain it while we get this loaded.
	And this guy has a GoPro, a head-mounted GoPro, and he's like, then what you want today?
	And they load the biggest jack of potato, a baked potato.
	They cut a slit in it.
	It's steaming because it's so cold in England.
	They put a full stick of butter in it, and then they put a full cup of Heinz tomato beans and crispy onions and sour cream and a full bag of shredded cheddar cheese.
	It's fucking insane.
	Oh my God.
	So I grew up eating.
	Here we go.
	Look at how gray it is.
	It's so great.
	And look at all the people are great.
	It's in the middle of summer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, this is the brightest day in England.
	That's right.
	And listen to his banter.
	Cheese and sweet corn.
	Cheese and sweet corn.
	Good morning, guys.
	Wait.
	He sounds like a bad thing.
	By the end of it, you can't even see the potato.
	Yeah.
	Cheese and sweet corn.
	So this is Spud Army.
	I'm not even familiar with this account.
	Yeah, we just found the random Spud Guy.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	This is the wrong British guy.
	This is why I'm reading up because all of the comments on all of them.
	So like you go to Spud Bros account, all the comments are Spud Man better.
	That's all the comments are them leveling each other's Spud.
	And there's now a couple dudes in LA that have taken the public IP of this thing, and they have an LA thing called Spud Guy LA, which I frequent.
	And all the comments are like, all the comments are like, fuck you guys.
	I love it.
	This is maybe one of the most talented guests we've ever had on the pod.
	And I'm obsessed with Spud Guy.
	Yeah, no, this is.
	But this is Spud Guy.
	What are you going to talk about?
	Fucking music?
	Are you kidding me?
	This is the shit that we have to talk about.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Phineas, I'm becoming a bigger fan by this.
	Oh, you thought you thought we were going to talk about like Phineas?
	The brilliant mind of Phineas.
	I'm riveted right now.
	Yeah, Spud Man is punching the air.
	Will, you have a business.
	I do have a business.
	I sell hot sauce.
	You sell hot sauce.
	Now, what if I told you there was a place to sell that stuff online?
	What?
	And nobody does it better than my friends at Shopify.
	Oh, Shopify.
	That's right.
	It's home of the number one checkout on the planet.
	And the not-so-secret secret with Shop Pay, that boost can convert conversions up to 50%, meaning way less carts going abandoned and way more sales going chipping.
	Oh, I'm always abandoning carts.
	Yes.
	Yeah, I put everything in there and then I get too afraid because it's not on Shopify.
	And I go, I can't spend that money.
	No, no.
	And you should be afraid too if it's not on Shopify.
	Oh, that's right.
	So upgrade your small business and get the same checkout.
	Host ad lib, host, insert.
	Bad living.
	I love selling things.
	And you got to sign up for your $1 per month trial period on shopify.com slash fear, all lowercase.
	That's right.
	Go to shopify.com slash fear to upgrade your selling today.
	Shopify.com slash fear.
	What would you sell if you could sell something?
	Quick.
Abandoned Carts and Shopify Fear 00:14:43
	Three, two, one.
	Penises.
	Sorry, let's do that again.
	I don't know.
	Here's the thing.
	So, this is in Turkey, this is called Kumpir.
	We eat it as well.
	I grew up eating it.
	It's actually delicious.
	Good.
	It actually is delicious.
	I've gone to Glendale.
	I've had the.
	I will say this, though.
	Is that how you became a fan originally?
	You like this?
	No, I would sit in bed at three in the morning and watch it.
	I'd be like, Alex.
	And then you ate the potatoes.
	And it was so good.
	You trapped it down.
	That's bold of you to say, because I was about to say, in Turkey, they do it with, I think it's called like Russian salad, which is like a potato salad, basically.
	Like they put a bunch of different things in it, ketchup and little like pieces of sausage that they cut up.
	In England, they put the most English shit you can do.
	I know ever.
	I know, I know, I know.
	Some of them are disgusting.
	When I saw the first couple videos, I was like, this is ridiculous.
	And then I went and it was amazing.
	And it's really good.
	It tastes a little bit like you should bring Kaya because you they're like, you're eating dog food.
	Like you're eating like a tray of slock.
	Yeah.
	I'll give my little, my little dog Moose a little bit of a forkful or whatever.
	But it's, but they're, they're carrying on all these traditions.
	I showed up the other day at Spud Guy LA and they were like, Spud man back.
	And I was like, hey, can I get, and then he starts doing it.
	And then he goes, chat's going crazy now, bro.
	And I was like, what?
	And I looked up and they were fucking live streaming.
	And I was like, how many viewers you got?
	And he was like, 80.
	They're rioting right now.
	Okay, so we have to do an IRL stream to the Spud Guy together.
	Yeah, that's right.
	They're franchising.
	There's one on the USC campus.
	There's one in Glendale.
	Are they all British?
	Are they just Armenian?
	Oh, they're all Armenian.
	And they all film.
	Which is like the opposite of being British, I feel like.
	Wait, so the guy with the mohawk is Armenian?
	Because I saw, he pulled up like a Spud guy and he has like a Spud Guy LA.
	Those guys are Armenian.
	And the ones I've interacted with are Armenian.
	Maybe they're not.
	Sorry?
	Why'd you get on your Spud?
	What's the Phineas Spud order?
	I went and I said, I get cheese and beans and sour cream and crispy onions.
	They're really good.
	Chives, some jalapeno.
	I wonder if the 80 people in the chat went to Spud Guy and were like, yo, give me this.
	Anyway, then I take my girlfriend.
	My girlfriend goes, she goes, can I get the, can you do less?
	I don't really want any butter.
	And he goes, that's basically no butter.
	He was like, what is this?
	And she's like, yeah, and then she was like, she's very, what's the internet?
	She's demure.
	Yeah.
	So she's like, you should have checked her, though.
	Like, she has to have butter.
	He was like, that's basically no butter.
	And then she gets like, she's like, that's enough beans.
	And that's enough.
	She's very sweet about it.
	And he's like, he's making our whole thing kind of shaking his head.
	And then my friend who's a Philistine like me gets up and the Spud guy goes, all right, bro, impress me.
	Which I thought was sick.
	And he's like, with his order, he's like, all right, he's like, all right, I'll get everything, whatever, I'll get everything.
	And then I was like, I don't have cash on me.
	I was like, do you have Venmo?
	And he goes, I just use it for gambling, bro.
	And I was like, why did he volunteer that information?
	I go, okay, Tago, can I pay you in Venmo?
	And he goes, I'll gamble it, bro.
	And I go, cool, man.
	And he goes, if I win, I'll pay you back.
	I have not been paid back.
	That's amazing.
	I like how they kind of chirp you a little bit.
	But that to me felt like they had understood what the, because if you watch the English guys, then.
	Yeah, they're very gruff with the whole thing.
	So I think the fact that he was, I just mumbled, but the fact that he's the fact that he's kind of rubbing you, rubbing you the wrong way is on purpose, which I like.
	Impress me.
	Bro, impress.
	You're a quadruple butter.
	Impress.
	Yeah, just all the butter.
	Anyway, I digress.
	I wish that the Armenian guys would be doing a British accent.
	Bro.
	What you want, you fucking spudlines.
	Yeah.
	Spud bros is a great TikTok vibe.
	And today I wanted to bring up another great TikTok vibe.
	Oh shit, you came prepared.
	I came prepared because, Phineas, you're all over TikTok.
	I wonder if you saw this.
	Deep sigh.
	I wonder if you saw this new guy that has been going super viral on Twitter.
	His name is Ashton Hall.
	Oh, you were going to talk about this, dude?
	Say in the video.
	It's already in perfect video.
	I have multiple videos that I want to show you, but let's get started on the one that went viral for a second.
	The Patrick Bateman morning routine.
	Ashton Hall.
	Yes.
	The man has titties.
	Okay.
	Trigger warning for the phone.
	He's got some.
	Put a goddamn bra on, man.
	He keeps going.
	What are you doing?
	So.
	Timeline.
	Look at those pythons though, man.
	He's got a lot of things.
	Yeah, this video went.
	This video did insane noise.
	It's got 300 million views.
	His titties are so distracting that no one in this room has talked about the fact that he taped his fucking mouth.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm going to talk about that too.
	I hate that shit.
	That trend is crazy to me.
	Yeah, mouth tape.
	It's crazy.
	And every my least favorite thing about TikTok is that like every now and then, there's so many like secret ads, especially with the TikTok fucking hate.
	I agree.
	And they'll be like, this person lost 700 pounds.
	And then it's like an AI mouth on the they've modified the Gary Brecca interview to be.
	Yeah.
	It's so fucking Elon Musk talking about mouth tape.
	Like, yeah, I love taping my mouth tape.
	The only way I can get some sleep in the White House is this mouth tape brand that you can get on TikTok shop, and it's crazy.
	That was really good.
	He's two for two on impression.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, that was actually.
	Can we get audio?
	Yeah, yeah.
	We got to get the audio.
	Yeah, it does.
	I feel like you were waiting on the Jamie to pull that up.
	All right.
	All right.
	4 a.m.
	Now 401.
	It takes him a minute to get a totally different camera.
	And it takes him a minute because he's got to set up the camera outside.
	404.
	I need you to pay attention to one thing.
	He has Saratoga water.
	I don't mean to delay this.
	Can we go back?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	He's got the 408 twerk stuff.
	All right.
	So 404 is doing push-ups.
	Yeah.
	With the Saratoga water next to him.
	Okay.
	So 417, presumably he's twerking.
	Push-ups.
	No, no, he did push-ups until 417.
	Yeah.
	And then what's the next time stamp?
	Okay.
	So you spent five minutes.
	Yeah.
	Is he meditating?
	Yeah, he's meditating.
	Okay, you're picking apart like the time stamps.
	You're definitely paying close attention to, which is good.
	Yeah.
	Because notice how he moved the book?
	That was a two-minute process.
	Yeah.
	Like, what is happening there?
	He's journaling.
	No, no, before he journals.
	He only journals were tweeted at it.
	Ears slammed.
	He's so ripped.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's so hot.
	He looks like a bus.
	He watches.
	Yeah, okay.
	What do you guys think about this?
	In the mouth tape, what do you guys think about the nose opening?
	You got to do the nose opening with fans.
	If you go to the mouth tape, you got to pair it with nose mouth.
	I can't do either.
	Because one opens up your nostrils so you can breathe from your nose better.
	Hold on.
	Who's that one?
	Have you tried mouth tape?
	No.
	I can't even do it with a mustache.
	It's so hard.
	No, I feel like I'm suffocating.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Bro's on TikTok, dude.
	He's getting his.
	I'm on tour and on tour so hard to sleep on a tour bus.
	And so I took it.
	So mouth tape helps?
	No, I didn't find it out.
	Okay.
	It helped other guys, though.
	Really?
	Do they not have mustaches?
	No.
	Maybe I will try it.
	Because it just comes right off.
	It just can't grab.
	I can't purchase.
	I was supposed to have to like tape my face like that.
	Wrap it around.
	It's help you sleep.
	Yeah, it's supposed to make you breathe through your nose.
	Dog, if you believe TikTok, it does everything.
	Okay.
	They will literally be like, it improved my IQ.
	Like, they're trying to sell this thing so hard.
	It's crazy.
	They talk about how it helps you lose weight, makes you have a more defined jawline, makes you stop snoring, all this stuff.
	Sures your bad breath.
	Drops.
	Dripping.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	So, but you guys are pro-nose strip.
	I don't care about either.
	Have you ever done it?
	No.
	Is that supposed to help you sleep too, or does it help you breathe?
	I think it just helps you breathe, which helps you sleep.
	I think the breathe rate, which was the Kleenex brand of nose strip, I think is sort of the same end goal as the mouth tape.
	It's all to make you breathe through your nose, which is supposed to keep you asleep.
	I used to use it when I was sick.
	Keep you from snoring.
	The breathe rate?
	Yeah, I used to use that when I was sick, but it didn't really work.
	Just use methyl toxazozone like the rest of us.
	The thing that you, the affrin.
	Afrin, yeah.
	Just get it.
	Anaphrin.
	Yeah, that's what I did.
	The fucking best.
	That's what I did.
	I've done it.
	It's the best.
	It's a miracle drink.
	You breathe better than you ever have before.
	100%.
	It's fucking crazy.
	No, yeah.
	And when you stop taking it, that kind of come down is because you're like, oh, I never without this methyloxytozone.
	I never breathed that well ever in my life.
	Is that the generic name for the drug?
	It's something close to one.
	I thought it was just anphrine.
	No.
	Epinephrine.
	No, epinephrine's the thing that you push when you're allergic to something.
	Like the EpiPen.
	Yeah, like EpiPen.
	But I thought it was anphrine was, and then the brand name was Afrin.
	Okay.
	Let's keep going.
	Let's go through.
	We need to see more Ashen Hall.
	So right now it's 4.55.
	He hasn't done anything.
	He's done like 20.
	He's been over three hours.
	Yeah, he's been over three hours.
	He's done like 20 push-ups.
	Okay.
	And maybe scribbled a little bit.
	Yeah.
	Scribbled a little bit in his notebook.
	Now he's getting a live sermon from his TikTok.
	He's an iPad kid.
	What is so?
	He uses Saratoga water to ice his feet.
	Yes.
	He puts Saratoga water, which is apparently, I did a deep dive on this guy yesterday because he was fascinating to me.
	That's an upstate New York brand.
	That's like $8 a pop.
	Okay.
	And I don't know if he actually fills out.
	The fucking traps, dude?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Crazy trap.
	Yeah, it's really funny because the part that he doesn't show is just the insane stack he's on of Saratoga's money, which is definitely, I mean, he definitely works hard.
	That's before the video starts.
	325.
	Moose testosterone.
	Yeah, he's putting it like a heroin addict, putting it through the webbing of his feet.
	Yeah.
	Shorts over shorts.
	Yeah.
	Worthy.
	No drip.
	By the way, ass.
	Worthy.
	Ass.
	The outfit looked pretty good.
	Yeah, because you have no drips.
	Exactly.
	This motherfucker puts on the Van Kweef and the Roly and rings to go sprint on a fucking treadmill.
	I'm so angry.
	This was the part that made me lose my mind.
	But see, when you're that big, you kind of make anything look good.
	No.
	He's sprinting on a tingle with his roly.
	Oh, I didn't see that part.
	So weird.
	Yeah, why'd you put the jewelry on?
	Bro, this fight.
	Go back, go back.
	This is a very important point.
	How come he comes out of the pool dry?
	Yeah, because good class shit.
	He's got out of the pool and he's dry.
	Watch this.
	He has hang time.
	Okay.
	Are you ready for this?
	7.36 a.m.
	7.40.
	Wow.
	That's four minutes of hang time up there.
	He just stays up.
	He gets out of the pool and he's dry.
	Dry.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	He was kind of the service worker.
	A lot of shampoo.
	He's really winning me over.
	He showered in the roller.
	And the ring.
	This shit is crazy.
	And the necklace.
	The banana peel rub on the face.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's coming.
	It's coming.
	I've never seen that shit either.
	This is new tech.
	Yeah, and he eats the banana in a not-gay way, by the way.
	That was huge.
	He snatched the banana.
	He snaps it.
	He does the kill.
	He kills it.
	He does the humane kill.
	Yeah, you can't.
	You can't be.
	If you leave it dick-shaped, it ruins the whole video.
	Yeah, you have to snap his snap, dude.
	He's not shalom.
	He's doing this.
	He's like Duke Dennis.
	He's like, oh man.
	Do you guys actually eat bananas like that?
	No.
	No.
	I gag on it, dude.
	Yeah.
	I showed that shit.
	Okay, look at that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	So his girlfriend enters the fray.
	Now, this is like, now you get to find out.
	There's more to it.
	There's more lore.
	Oh, the tightblazer.
	What's interesting about is that I think this is a different lady than the other videos.
	I did a deep dive.
	The other significantly more pale complexion on the hand in all of the other videos.
	And you'll see because we're going to watch.
	This is a romantic partner, not his bowl, his water bowl attache.
	It is implied.
	It is implied that this is a romantic partner because he also is a man servant, which I will show you in the other videos, who looks very cool.
	What do you do for a living?
	I carry this guy's.
	I'm his Saratoga Ice Bowl attache.
	Yeah.
	He's already, by the way, if you're keeping count, $32 of Saratoga.
	He's also been up for seven hours.
	I woke up at 9.06.
	He's been up for seven hours.
	He's on the Mark Wahlberg calendar.
	This part is amazing because now you're going to figure out what he does for a living, which is he doesn't like fully tell you anyway, and you will never fully understand it because this is the most Miami job of all he is Miami.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	This is important.
	Run that back.
	We gotta.
	Yeah.
	Listen to this.
	What does he say?
	So licking-headed, bro.
	We gotta go ahead and get in at least 10,000.
	At least 10,000.
	At least.
	That's a Discord guy.
	That guy has a look at looking at it, bro.
	We gotta get in at least 10,000.
	Okay, minor note.
	Fake number.
	Minor note.
	Go back to that speech the only time he speaks.
	There's two cuts in it, which is crazy.
	No, no, no, watch, watch, watch.
	So licken-headed, bro.
	We gotta go ahead and get in at least 10,000.
	There's a cut there.
	So he couldn't even say that line.
	So do you think I don't like the smashed avocado?
	I like just sliced, dude.
	I can't endorse that.
	Yeah, more Saratoga water.
	$38 of Saratoga.
	Yeah, so do we think he said, looking at it, bro, we got to get in.
	And the guy said, how much?
	And he said, at least 10,000.
	He cut the guy out.
	Now, 10,000 is a number that comes back a lot in Ashton Hall's videos.
Turkish Barbers and Discord Cuts 00:15:09
	Why do I know this?
	I think he was ordering a pallet of Saratoga.
	Yeah.
	At least $10,000 worth.
	Lays out like $10,000.
	Hey, I do inventory for your daily videos.
	We need enough water to last three days.
	Well, looking at it, bro, we got to get in at least $10,000 for my three-day supply of by the way.
	That's 9 a.m.
	He's got another, presumably seven, eight hours of Saratoga water.
	No, that's what you would think.
	Does he go to bed at 5 p.m.?
	I don't know exactly what time he goes to bed, but that would make sense, right?
	There's a lot that, like, as someone who cares about fitness and health, there's a lot that's wrong with what he's doing there.
	Specifically, like, waking up at three and then doing fuck all until 9 a.m.
	You should have just slept.
	The sleep is the important part of the thing.
	I agree.
	Yeah, you would have had much better gains overall.
	I don't think he does this every day, but it's really awesome because what does he do when it's daylight?
	What does he do after 9 when he does the looking at it, bro?
	At least we get 10,000.
	Does he post it?
	Yeah, sometimes.
	March, can you pull up Ashton Hall's TikTok, please?
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	Now an espagnole.
	Oh, nice.
	Let's see what Ashton does.
	By the way, while he's pulling this up, Ashton has spawned an entire ecosystem of Patrick Bateman morning routine.
	Wait.
	Did you also, did you also send him the other link as well?
	I did not, but I saw it.
	Oh, you?
	Yes.
	I didn't send him the link.
	I have it like it right here.
	Dude, our cycles have synced.
	I know.
	Look at this.
	Ashton Hall going viral.
	And I have like the OG version.
	So that's.
	We've been friends too long.
	This is a mess.
	So here, here is both so invested in the video.
	So this guy is the OG.
	This guy's the OG, but we need to do more Ashton Hall because like Ashton Hall is a.
	What?
	What?
	Are we pulling up the video?
	Yeah.
	Is that that?
	We are.
	I just sent him.
	And also our thing.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, dude.
	You just gotta make sure you open the door from the button over there.
	Nope.
	Oh, never mind.
	What about Balkan breakfast?
	You guys on Balkan breakfast?
	So Balkan breakfast is originally a Turkish guy.
	It's a Turkish dude that eats like a poor man's meal.
	He eats like a hard baguette and a tomato and pepper in alternating bites.
	And normally you're deconstructed sandwich.
	We'll pull that up in a second, too.
	I grew up on that.
	When you say this, this is this man's entire content.
	Yeah.
	He does it every day.
	Yeah, you'll see why, though.
	It's captivating.
	Oh, he's taking really big bites.
	Yeah.
	It's amazing.
	And it is literally something that people like.
	I eat that.
	When I was growing up, I would eat that all the time.
	Right.
	But Balkan cheese.
	You just take the bites.
	Well, not like him.
	He eats like an animal.
	You'd have little slices of stuff.
	Yeah.
	I love how you take credit for so many things being Turkish.
	No, no, no.
	That's actually Turkish.
	My man goes, he's a guy who just takes big bites of a baguette and a tomato.
	So I was like, that started in the Ottoman Empire.
	No, no, no.
	Well, there is a, the concept is called Balkan Breakfast now, but like, yeah, the OG is, the OG is a Turkish dude.
	I got a regular cold brew.
	And I have straws.
	I'll pick him up.
	That's got to be the vanilla.
	That's awesome.
	Vanilla oatmeal.
	Yes.
	Single shot.
	Did you get me regular?
	Is it regular or decaf?
	Did you just ask if that's decaf?
	Yeah, I've been on a decaf.
	Did you order a decaf oat milk vanilla latte?
	I did, but we'll see if it's decaf.
	Just get a chocolate milk, you fuck.
	I like the taste of coffee.
	I've been trying to.
	But you decaf, you actually get a little caffeine in it.
	Not too much.
	I turned that last night.
	That's a TikTok fact.
	No, it's a Google fact.
	Actually, there's still a little bit of caffeine.
	No, there is.
	There is.
	It's like 20, 20, 30 milligrams.
	Yeah, but that's a little bit like saying there's, you know, a little alcohol and non-alcoholic beer.
	Yeah.
	Well, same.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	Thank you, boss.
	That's true.
	There's a little alcohol and non-alcoholic beer, and there's a little caffeine and non-caffeinated coffee.
	Yeah.
	The more you know.
	Okay.
	I wish I could drink.
	I drink like one or two coffees a day, and there's a time of day where I can't keep drinking them because then I stay up all night.
	I don't have like it's it's still it has efficacy.
	But I love the if I'm suddenly talking like Ben Shapiro, I love it.
	Yeah, no, that's I love when my clip is faster.
	Yeah, you know, I'm a crackhead.
	I run on, I slam two espresso.
	And coffee and the whole thing.
	Yeah, you got the juice.
	Doing a zen while you drink your cold.
	It's a coffee zen.
	You know what my coffee's in?
	Father would talk to you about that he loves that is Turkish is the is the Turkish barber.
	That's my dad's fucking jam.
	Dude.
	Yeah.
	I okay, there's can I ask you a question that'll benefit my dad?
	Is there any Turkish barber in LA?
	I don't, not that, not that I know of.
	Because we go the place where there are the most that we go regularly is London.
	It's full of Turkish barbers.
	And also Germany.
	My dad, if we swear to God, my dad comes on tour with us as a carpenter.
	And he, if he, if we have our tour calendar for the year and there's like two London visits, plans his haircuts.
	I love that.
	I'm going to get a haircut in March in London and then I'm going to get another haircut in August.
	Can you put Turkish barbers actually very good?
	What is different about Turkish barber?
	Everything.
	Fucking everything.
	It's a full service experience.
	It's a massage.
	It's an oil.
	They're doing the flaming thing that they're smacking on the ear and burning the hair off the ear.
	Oh my God.
	He comes out of there looking crazy, bro.
	He looks insane.
	I had a Turkish haircut in Germany.
	Maybe he was lying about being Turkish.
	Wait, he didn't set you on fire?
	He must have been a fan of the fire.
	No, it was in Germany.
	No, are you often this short on the beard?
	Yes.
	Because he's got a big beard.
	And I think that when you got a big beard, they go harder.
	They have more oils and more shaping.
	They did the at the time it was longer and they did like the little curve.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Can I see some Turkish Barbary?
	Barbary plugged in.
	So one of the most famous ones, the old guy loves it.
	One of the most famous ones is the old guy who will crack your back.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	He goes crazy.
	Crack your back.
	The old man takes your shirt off and will lotion.
	This guy's a sexual friend.
	We've played shows in London.
	I like to ask my dad, I go, who'd you put on the list tonight?
	And he's like, you know, my cousin Andrew.
	And I'm like, Baba Barber on the list?
	Baba Barber.
	Yeah, some of the guys from Baba Barber.
	Some of the guys.
	Yeah, I didn't get any of this experience.
	What the fuck?
	He's fucking going for it.
	What is it?
	Turning all your little hair.
	Yes.
	Why not just trim them?
	Because it's style of trim.
	You're right.
	Phineas.
	And it smells awful.
	No way.
	Although as if burning hair is bringing hair.
	But then he just.
	Oh, that's the first one.
	Yeah, March.
	That's like, that's the guy.
	Please show me more.
	I'm in.
	So this is the old man.
	Hand trimmers.
	You got him to this.
	Yeah, he took his shirt off.
	He's soundless.
	He's the sound because the sound is important.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, kind of.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh.
	Oh, my God.
	Fuck yeah, dude.
	He's washing his eyes.
	Also, least patriotic Turkish man.
	He's got the fucking Turkish clock back there.
	Oh, my God.
	What is happening?
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	There's something very doing.
	He's washing his hair.
	He's like a picture of a Turkish.
	Well, and you know what else this has to me is that, like, I'm a, I'm a medicine.
	I'm like.
	Go back real quick.
	You can't TikTok so hard.
	Slapping his fucking face.
	Look at it.
	Look, there's also a look that he gives to the camera when he's where he's like, yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They're always improving a little.
	They're always like, I'm going to slap him now.
	Wait, what are you saying, Phineas?
	You were saying something about Turkish brands.
	Yeah, like I have.
	What is he even?
	I have acne, so I go get like facials.
	Oh, me too.
	And I think that like my dad and most men of that age have like never considered ever getting a facial ever in their life.
	And so the idea that somebody is massaging their tissue and like that they're like, that's unbelievable.
	I'm like, you can just get a facial.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	They're like, my haircut was amazing.
	I'm like, you like that somebody like rubbed your ears in your forehead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How often do you go?
	Like every two months.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	I use a weekly facial guy.
	Every week I go.
	Oh.
	Where you're glowing.
	It looks really good.
	Well, we were at a set recently and a makeup artist was like, you get a facial every week?
	He's like, yeah, I get a peel every week.
	And he's like, he goes.
	No, no, no.
	Every other week.
	The makeup artist.
	That's actually dangerous.
	The makeup artist said the same thing.
	She's like, you're getting fleeced, dude.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Here's the deal.
	I looked it up.
	I googled it.
	And when I found in my extensive research of the AI bot, do you recommend the facials to get every week in the White House?
	Well, every other week is okay.
	And it's a light.
	It's a light peel.
	It's okay.
	It's not a guy's story.
	It's okay.
	I hope you feel my face.
	It's not.
	See, when you think of a peel, you think of like a peel where you're like shedding like a snake.
	Mine's just like a nice little colour.
	Yeah, because you have no skin left.
	Mine's like a quick little exfoliant.
	A little extraction here, a little extraction there.
	A little microcurrent.
	I have acne too.
	I'm not a disease right now.
	It's rough.
	Springtime when the season changes, do you go through that too?
	Dude, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	I think you should go less.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But what do I do about the acne?
	Do I just live with it?
	Well, you go as frequently as you can go and you still have acne.
	Okay.
	I don't think I know.
	I think you can just go less.
	So maybe, maybe.
	You know, I never thought of that.
	Maybe less peels.
	I would go.
	I mean, I have a facialist.
	Do you think that the facials causing more acne?
	Sometimes they do.
	I have a facialist who is Serbian, who fucking rules.
	And she one time said to me when I started going, because again, to Mbit, do you guys, have you guys ever had acne?
	Oh, dude.
	I used to have skins.
	No, really?
	Did you do acne?
	I never did acuteness.
	I did that.
	I never did it.
	I have acne now sometimes, but it's like, I have this like one thing that won't go away.
	I need to lance it most likely.
	So I have acne so bad through here.
	I used to wrestle in high school that my shit would rupture when I was wrestling and I would wear white shirts and I would go through three or four white shirts because I'd have a ring of blood.
	So I did this treatment called Thermage when I was in my teens where they passed a bunch of electricity.
	Yeah.
	I did that too.
	It didn't work.
	That was like a godsend.
	That's awesome.
	It was painful.
	Yeah, totally.
	Horrible.
	Yeah, I mean, when you go get a facial and your skin suddenly is way better, the impulse is to do what you're doing, which is like, I'm going to go do that every week.
	And I had this facialist and she was like, you know, you actually really want your skin to be resilient and like she was like, every product, a little bit like we're talking about with like the mouth tape.
	She's like, every fucking product is exfoliate, exfoliate, exfoliate.
	She was like, your skin should be the way your skin.
	You're not trying to just like shred your skin off.
	You can peel your skin off.
	You want your skin to be healthy and you want your pores to be crazy.
	Right, but I can't stop.
	I'm telling you.
	I'm telling you.
	I'm an addict.
	Every time I see something, I'm like, I need to go.
	I'm telling you, I look at it.
	I'm looking at you.
	I'm seeing the thought you're about to say.
	I can see the thought through the skin.
	What am I supposed to do?
	Oh, you can see.
	I can see the skin.
	I can see the brainwaves beneath the forehead.
	Yeah, I can't stop.
	You know what?
	I'm going to take your advice and then I'm going to go.
	Just go a little less.
	Yeah, just a little less.
	Once every three weeks?
	Start with that, then go to six.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Dial it back a little bit.
	Wait, who do you, let's go?
	Well, who's but going back to going back to the Turkish barbers?
	One thing I will tell you is that like this is deep Turkish lore, but he's making it more Turkish.
	Yeah.
	This is deep Turkish lore, but like actually the thing about Turkish barbers that you wouldn't know is they're from Turkey.
	Yeah.
	There's a thing that like there's a thing there's a joke in Turkey about how like barbers will jerk you.
	I feel embarrassed that I feel embarrassed to even mention this.
	All the Turks are going to yell at me for leaking the state secrets.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy that you're leaking deep statements.
	No, they're going to fucking get mad because the Lyra is going to tank even further.
	But there's a concept called Diamak where the barber will put his penis on you while he's like cutting your hair.
	What?
	So I was right.
	I was right this whole time.
	Will's not off.
	I don't think the barbers in England or Germany.
	He'll just like while he's cutting.
	Like a little parrot action.
	He'll just like take the penis out of it.
	No.
	Is this just putting his grinding on you while he's cutting?
	Diamach.
	Diamok.
	What?
	Wait, wait, hold on, push.
	Hold on.
	Is it just something that just happens or is it like that?
	Is enough Turkish barbers have done it in the past?
	It's fucked up.
	It's sexual harassment.
	Wait, wait.
	What's that?
	I need to know.
	Is this like part of the service up?
	Because when I go to get a haircut, I buy a certain service.
Unfollowing People Publicly 00:11:22
	Is this like a break?
	Are you excited?
	No.
	I know.
	He's going to demand a refund.
	I paid $50 for my haircut.
	And I didn't get any Diamoc.
	Well, I'm just, well, I don't know.
	It would be interesting to have a cock on your face while you're.
	He's like, am I not hot enough?
	I don't know what's going on.
	No, no, no.
	On your lower shoulder.
	Or lower back.
	Yeah, lower back, shoulder.
	That's one way to get a peel.
	And it's like an awkward situation because you want to be like, what the fuck are you doing, bro?
	But you're in ecstasy.
	It's like sexual assault.
	Now I can only think about his fucking get it done.
	You're back.
	Are you excited about the concert tonight?
	Are they hard in England?
	I don't.
	I'm going to ask him if he's.
	Sorry, you brought it up.
	I felt a lump on his shoulder.
	I like how it sounds like the DINMOC, the death.
	So why don't you get a Turkish haircut?
	I just don't really know if there are any Turkish barbers around here.
	I eat a lot of people.
	If you find a Turkish barber on it, you got to let me know because my dad will want to go.
	After this, some Turkish barbers in LA will probably hit me up in my Instagram and be like, bro, come on.
	What do you mean, help me?
	Help me with this.
	You set your ears on.
	Yeah.
	The full service, though, it is a full service thing.
	You do, you know, Turkish barbers do take a lot of pride in their work.
	It looks sick.
	It's like a Cirque d'Estolet haircut.
	That's right.
	I do still want to go back to Ashton Hall.
	Oh, wow.
	You're so Ashton.
	There's so much more Ashton.
	Hassan.
	I guess we can move on.
	Yeah, let's move.
	We can do it in the Patreon.
	Okay, let's talk.
	Okay, I got a question for you.
	And you let me know if you don't want to talk about this, but I believe it was on your Instagram story.
	You recently unfollowed a bunch of people.
	Tell me, I did research.
	Not only you talked about it.
	I knew this.
	I'm a fan.
	I had like the two worst.
	The two like.
	Is this not?
	Do you not want to talk about it?
	No, I'm happy to talk about it.
	I just sometimes like do a thing and I'm like, why did I do that?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I posted unfollowing spree.
	I followed some people.
	And what I knew when I posted that was that everyone insecure would check to see, you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Normally when you unfollow somebody, you did I make the cut.
	Yours followed.
	You did it so gleefully too.
	I was so gleeful.
	Who's your unfollow?
	Mostly I unfollowed like Joe Biden's Instagram account.
	Like Instagram accounts.
	Did he check?
	He didn't know.
	The auto pen letter of he was pissed off.
	Yeah, mostly it was like, you know, cool houses in Bali, like random accounts that I, that were like followed from years ago that I was like, whoa, sick architecture.
	But I did unfollow a couple friends who just, I don't like the content.
	Oh, like the oldest golden house.
	I was like, I just don't like these.
	Did they text you?
	Yes.
	Oh, wow.
	There was no reason for me to do this.
	It was just, hey, it's just cool and hateful.
	Did you, did they, were they like, are we still friends?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And I was like, yeah, yeah, we're good.
	We're good.
	I'd be so insecure if they were.
	They were super infolle.
	I felt bad.
	Okay.
	Felt bad.
	So like, what sort of content were they making that you didn't like?
	One of them is just like always philosophizing, always like musing.
	Now you are specifically calling out individual friends that you unfollow.
	And he's a great guy.
	I really like, I really like him, but I think some of them.
	But not his philosophy.
	Not his Instagrams.
	And I think that like sometimes people, I bet you have myriad people where you're like, I love playing basketball with this guy.
	And then you see their Instagram stories and you're like, this is crazy.
	Yes.
	And anyway, so I just unfollowed him.
	And I'm sort of like happy to be confrontational.
	So none of it fazed me.
	And I was like, yeah, we're good, man.
	And then a friend of my very close friend hit me the next day and was like, what did you, what good did you think would come of this?
	And I was like, I was like, to me, it was a comment on how much stock everybody's put in this.
	Like, I have friends too, like, I have friends who are like, whatever, you know, in the public eye.
	And I follow them on Instagram and like, they don't follow me back or whatever because maybe they follow zero accounts or maybe they just are like using that.
	And I don't care.
	It's not a big deal to me.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, but he was like, he was like, but people really, this matters to them, you know, whatever.
	And I was like, do you think?
	And so the next day I posted close friends going crazy right now.
	Just on my main story.
	Close friends going crazy right now.
	And my friend wrote, Why am I not?
	He goes, dude, I don't see anything on your close friends.
	And I was like, oh.
	So I just posted nothing.
	Yeah.
	And I got to say that.
	I'm just gaslighting that.
	And so many of my friends who are like on my close friends texted, like, like responded to it.
	And they were like, hello.
	Like, they were all like, let me in.
	Which is like, you know.
	You know, it's nice.
	But why am I doing this?
	It's nice that your close friends notice, though.
	They care.
	See, I think we're just in a period of time where everybody is.
	What's that comedian, Chris Fleming, I think?
	And he has like a bit of like, like, he's like, do you think you could have survived middle school with close friends Instagram?
	And it's like, we have made friendship of more and more fragile dynamic.
	The find my thing is, you know, when you like go on your find my and you see like three of your friends at a place and you know nothing about it and you're like, fair enough.
	Like, we've made it, you know, we've let ourselves know about our own exclusion to such a humongous degree.
	It has become in our culture when you get unfollowed.
	Yeah.
	It's almost like an act of war.
	That's right.
	It's almost like a fucking pissing on someone like that.
	Well, you know, and they every step, they're like, all right, fine.
	What are you doing?
	You can mute them.
	Right.
	There's so many little private things that aren't, you know, diplomatic gestures.
	I've gotten better over time, but you're just the person that you're describing that would be impacted by this would be me.
	If we were.
	But also, like, I like to masquerade as a person who wouldn't care, but I, but I did it knowing that somebody would care.
	And that takes the empathy to know that I probably, you know what I mean?
	I don't know why I did this.
	I don't, I don't think about this stuff at all.
	Here's the short answer: I really don't.
	I don't, like, I couldn't ever tell you who is following me or unfollowing me.
	I'm not, you ever see somebody like look at the likes or the views of their story?
	I've never done it ever.
	Cutie Cinderella, ironically enough, is the person that told me that you were following me.
	Okay, there you go.
	Like, you should hit him up to be on the street.
	And you did this when QD was in Utah.
	Well, I have nasty work.
	I didn't even, but see, that's the thing.
	I'll come back when QD.
	QD, I'll come back.
	To be fair, I didn't even see her.
	I would love to come back for 12 weeks.
	She's been gone for 11 weeks.
	Yeah.
	And also, I didn't even do that deliberately.
	Like, that seems like something that I would have done in a sinister fashion, but it was like, I didn't even think about that.
	He's actually helped me overcome a lot of these random things that don't really matter, like the unfollow, because he's so nonchalant about everything.
	I really don't.
	I really am pretty detached from it.
	Do you think it's one of those things where it's like your logical mind is fighting out against something that seems so ridiculous, but is so important?
	Like a firm handshake.
	It's ridiculous, but people put a lot of stock in that.
	And like, especially working in music, who you know and who you're associated with is so directly related to like your success.
	Like, I know so many aspiring musicians that are just trying to put themselves in the orbit of successful people.
	And so that on follow could mean the world to someone who's, you know, maybe getting laid just on the fact that you follow them.
	Oh, for sure.
	Yeah.
	I don't think I have getting laid from a follow cachet.
	Yes, you do.
	For sure.
	Anyway, the point I'm making is I empathize.
	I empathize.
	It's a weird time, man.
	Yeah.
	It's a weird time.
	But it kind of disgusts you at the same point.
	It's super disgusting.
	I think that's...
	I think the reason I did it was being grossed out by the, yeah, I think that like when I, when I read a book about a very different period of time and there's a totally different social dynamic at play, somebody's like, I fucking hated this scene.
	When I hear about like, it feels like the, our version of a scene.
	Yeah.
	And so I'm like, oh, I hate this stuff.
	I was telling them, I think the next like wave of kids, counterculture, punk, whatever, is going to be like.
	Foneless.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I completely agree with you.
	People who reject technology.
	And I think as.
	I have a cousin who has no, he's like no internet presence at all.
	Yeah.
	No traceable anything.
	It's crazy.
	Like he's, and he's had to be, you know, we have to verify ourselves so many times for anything.
	Yeah.
	And he's gone all these circuitous routes to be sort of unverified by everybody.
	And it's like, it's impressive.
	I hope that Instagram is like our generation's mullet, where we look back and we're like, what a strange time.
	I can't believe we suffered that kind of dignity.
	I think unfortunately the future is going the opposite direction.
	Totally.
	It's going to be like way more like everything.
	I look at China and what they do over there.
	Yeah.
	In terms of like always being on and everything being connected to your like social media account, basically like Weibo is like life over there.
	It's your credit card.
	It's everything.
	It's what you are.
	And it certainly interferes with your affairs in the physical space.
	And I think that's probably where we are.
	That's the direction that we're moving.
	Well, yeah.
	And if anything, I would fantasize about what you're talking about, but I do think that we've only just crossed over the bridge into people realizing that what they say online does impact their kind of ephemeral physical life.
	I mean, like the fucking Carla Sophia Gascon, right?
	Who's like, I posted some opinions.
	They're like, you're not going to win.
	You're not going to win that Oscar.
	By the way, imagine being the journalist six years deep in a Twitter, all in Spanish and being like, translate.
	Imagine being like, George Floyd.
	Yeah.
	Translate.
	Just running down the hall.
	They're just like, oh my God, oh my God.
	To be fair, she's Spanish, right?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	From Spain.
	Like an old, old queer person from Spain, like it's going to be, and, and, you know, white, it's going to be a target-rich environment for the most part.
	I feel like European.
	Target-rich environment.
	European, Europeans are operating on a very different spectrum when it comes to like social courtesy or identity politics in general, at least in my experience.
	Like old, old trans people in the UK, which is one of the most transphobic places in the Western world, they still will advocate to call themselves transsexuals, where they're like, no, it's fine.
	Or transvestites, even, not transsexuals, transvestites.
	Like, that's just the, they just got different, different attitudes out there.
Eddie Izzard Transvestite Specials 00:02:42
	Does Eddie Izzard?
	I grew up watching a lot of Eddie Izzard stand-up specials.
	Does that person still identify as transvestite or are they transgendered now?
	I don't know.
	Because I learned the word transvestite from watching Eddie Izzard's specials.
	He was so old.
	He was so sick.
	So funny.
	So funny.
	Yeah.
	I don't, I don't, do he identify as trans?
	I don't know.
	Transvestite.
	That's really true.
	He identified it as a biological.
	It just means it's the same.
	Yeah.
	It's the same thing.
	That's a driven person.
	You know that they've ended up like running like hundreds of marathons.
	They did a period of time in the last couple of years where they ran like a marathon a day for a week.
	Like insane shit.
	Okay.
	That's a really driven person.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That scares me.
	It's impressive.
	That freaks me out a little bit.
	I don't understand long distance runners.
	It's a different breed.
	Very different.
	Yeah.
	So in getting to know you a little bit, one thing I found so interesting is when you write your music or when you produce your music, rather, you will find sounds from just things that you hear in your environment.
	Like I think I heard of a like a like the sound of like a street crossing, street crossing.
	Could you talk a little bit about that?
	Sure.
	I mean, you pretty much nailed it.
	I feel like, you know, I've kind of always been distracted by cool sounds going on.
	You know, I was literally, I have like a video yesterday of like being on a hike in Griffith Park and like good woodpecker sound.
	I mean like that sounds fucking awesome.
	And there's like a lot of percussion in nature, you know, just happening.
	A lot of like LA, there's always like construction happening on a good rhythm.
	So, yeah, I've just always kind of recorded little videos and audio clips of it.
	And if I throw it into a piece of music, I think, you know, one of the things that's happened over the last 15 years is like everybody has the same access to the same everything, right?
	Do you know the thing Splice?
	Splice is like a sample library thing where, you know, it's like, it's like TikTok for samples that you can download.
	There's like most popular kicks, most popular snares.
	Yeah.
	And they're amazing.
	They sound great.
	Most popular loops.
	But at the end of the day, you do have like...
	They've been burnt out.
	Yeah, you have this thing that everybody has that, you know, I'm not naive enough to think like I'm using this the best way.
	Somebody else is very musical and using it in a great way.
	So like, yeah, anything that I have like, well, I'm the only guy that recorded that thing at that point in time, whatever, you know, that sound is, I'm the only one that has it.
	Let me go use it.
Accidental Studio Samples 00:05:53
	So that's.
	What do you record on?
	Just my phone.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	My phone mic is great.
	Have you ever heard of a movie called Blowout?
	No, it's Blowout.
	You would love this.
	It's an old movie with John Travolta.
	Cool.
	Where he goes around recording sound and he accidentally records a murder.
	Cool.
	Great.
	Great plot.
	Fantastic film.
	That's awesome.
	Do you, is there like a sound that you hear and you're like, oh, is there sounds that are better than others?
	Where you're like, ah, I got to get into the studio right now.
	Put this into something.
	Or is it just like when you're creating something, you remember a sound that you heard and you're like, oh, that would go.
	Yeah, you want to hear a good one?
	Yeah.
	I was in.
	All right, put a header on this.
	Phineas's sounds.
	I was in Chicago a couple weeks ago.
	And I'll show you a little video clip of it because it's cool looking.
	Chicago and Lake Michigan is doing that thing right now, where it was like all of the everywhere near the shore was frozen, and now it's all like it's all ice cubes, like it's all just like really small pieces of ice, and so this is how.
	So this is how.
	Where's the best camera to point this at?
	You can just send it if you want.
	Yeah, i'll send it right, anyway.
	That's how it looks and then it sounds crazy.
	Wow, anyway.
	So that could be in a.
	That'll be somewhere in the background or something that's kind of ambient, but that'll be a nice texture under a tenth or something.
	You know, i've been thinking about going to China really yeah, but i'd like to get on Facebook while i'm there.
	This lead into this ad is amazing.
	Keep going, but I like to get on Facebook, but you know, they ban Facebook in China.
	They'll tank your social amongst exactly among other things like freedom.
	So to circumvent, to circumvent the obstacles and the social media platforms that i'd like to access.
	I use Nord VPN oh goodness right to watch sporting events, tv shows, films that aren't born in Texas, that's right that aren't available in your region, and I don't want my data floating around there.
	I like it to be protected, like my big details footprint.
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	And we'll see you in China in this same vein.
	Okay, so I've heard of, you know, when people are producing music, accidents happen in the studio.
	Like one of the most famous ones when Aerosmith was doing, I think it was, I forgot what song it was, but there was like a slap, there was some sort of instrument where it broke and they left it in.
	It sounds great because it's broken.
	Right.
	Have you had anything like that in music that you've produced that you've left into like an iconic song that you've made?
	I can't think of a specific, like, this was an accident, but I will say that oftentimes, especially like when you're playing an instrument like guitar or piano or you're singing, there's a kind of an uncomfy, you know, I'm a fine pianist.
	I'm not perfect ever.
	And so I'm playing along and maybe I do a thing where I'm like, ah, fuck, I didn't really mean to, that's not how I meant to play that.
	And then you do another take, whatever.
	And then you kind of, in your mind, you're like, I'll fix that later.
	I'll fix that later.
	And by the time it's three hours later, you're like, I love, like, I love that thing.
	Built into the song.
	Yeah.
	And I think that that has a lot to do with like we overthink everything.
	And sometimes the thing that was just like the way that you played it right then is the coolest, you know, is the coolest way.
	So I'm very like, I'll do a couple takes and be like, fuck, I really kind of bombed that.
	And then go back and revisit it later and be like, actually, I can replay a couple of things, but I like that in general.
	Other nerd examples of that, Billy Corrigan's whistling guitar and smashing pumpkins.
	Yeah, it's a cheap guitar that whistled the whole time.
	And in the air tonight, they played the drums back through the studio monitor and it sounded better through the studio.
	That's how they get that crazy compression.
	Or wasn't, I mean, this is a little bit different, but Radio Head Creep, didn't they not like it?
	So they were trying to, I don't know if that's a myth or not, but they were, you know, the best sound on the but they didn't like the song, so they were trying to bomb it, but then it became like an iconic.
	I don't know if that's true or not.
	I mean, shit.
	I don't know, but like I heard.
	It sounds too good.
	We fucking hate it.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I heard that they didn't like that song.
	And so they were just like fucking around.
	Okay, my friend David and I, David is a fellow fan of Hassan Hassan Universe, sweet guy, close friend of mine.
	We were talking about, he's another music producer, and we have a thing about cell phone music, like music about how much of a loser you are.
	Sure.
	And we generally try to stop people from writing cell phone music.
	Okay, why?
	Because.
	I love some cell phones.
	Well, okay.
	I'm glad that I'm bringing this up because generally when we're in the room and somebody's writing it, the cell phone that I'm talking about is usually career-based.
	Oh.
	And that's not like a career-based cell phone of like, I can't, you know, my album's going to flop kind of a cell phone.
	I'm like, ah, this is.
	Okay.
	You're going to, people believe what you tell them.
	Like, people are going to think you're a loser, you know?
	I mean, some notable cell phones, Eminem.
	Well, okay, but.
	Loser Beck.
	Loser by Beck is fucking awesome, but it has nothing to do with his career.
	He's just like, I'm a loser.
	And he goes, I'm a loser.
	Why don't you kill me?
	Which is cool and kind of confrontational.
	That's the line.
	But Creep is the best cell phone song ever.
Michael Pressing the Whammy Button 00:08:35
	Okay.
	I'm a creep.
	I'm a weirdo.
	I think you might be.
	I think that's like the best one.
	But anytime there's a song that's like, you know, kind of about like the process or something, it's a cell phone, exhausting.
	I also really like Save It for Later by the English beat.
	Can't sing that.
	Pre-recorded by Peter Townsend.
	Okay.
	But isn't that a self-townseen?
	He talks about how he's crying and how he's.
	You're thinking of self-owned as being vulnerable, vulnerable.
	Listen, dude, I was watching that guy's morning routine and now Townsend from The Who?
	Yeah, he re-recorded it.
	It's one of my favorites.
	You're on the Sigma Grinds.
	I'm trying to think of other really, you broke my heart.
	I'm trying to think of other really nasty self-owns.
	Then you're right.
	Creep might be the pinnacle of that.
	Yeah.
	Pretty great.
	Well, before we end this first hour, I want to talk about a man who doesn't get enough credit, but his story kind of went quiet for a long time.
	And now they're making a retelling of his story with Walton Goggins in it.
	Ooh, love Walton.
	And the man's name.
	That fool is tremendous.
	He's incredible.
	Nobody looks like that man.
	Unbelievable.
	No.
	So good.
	He's got the best veneers in the world.
	Paul Michael Larson, who was a contestant.
	He's amazing.
	Oh, my God.
	He was in Django.
	He's in a lot of shit.
	Walton Goggins?
	Yes.
	He is a very beloved actor.
	Yeah.
	Oh, God.
	Sorry.
	I really felt like I was really onto something there.
	Anyway, the system is crushing.
	Okay.
	We all are just pawns to the system.
	We all create our morning workout routines, but rarely a man beats the system.
	And in 1984, a man named Paul Michael Larson beat the system.
	Have any of you heard of a game show called Push Your Luck?
	No.
	Push Your Luck was a game show that existed in the 80s and then came back.
	It was very successful, where there was a whammy.
	Press your luck.
	Press your luck.
	Push your luck.
	Sorry.
	There's a whammy, right?
	And if you hit the whammy, that's where no whammies, no whammies.
	Oh, that's what that's from?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	The whammy would take your money.
	But in the 80s, this game show gave out more money.
	Paul Michael Larson.
	That's him.
	This game show gave out more money than any other game show.
	Okay.
	So let's go ahead and watch some of the opening segments.
	Larson Wells.
	Yeah, he talks crazy.
	Yeah, just play here.
	Just play here.
	No whammies, no whammies.
	Come on, big bucks.
	I need lots of money.
	Come on.
	Stop.
	1200 and get the bad.
	It's a lot of money.
	1200 and 50.
	So, especially in the middle.
	I'll give you the premise of the game.
	You answer some kind of trivia and you get a number of spins.
	And then you use those spins on the board to get money and more spins.
	Or you get whammies.
	Those yellow guys, whammy.
	They take all of your money.
	Stressful.
	Now, let's go to the middle of this video, please.
	Go back a little bit.
	Go back a little bit.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Back a little bit.
	Go back a little bit.
	36,000.
	No.
	36,000.
	All right.
	So, so play from here.
	Let's watch a little bit.
	And is he pressing a spin?
	Plus a spin.
	Oh, yeah.
	He's cleaning.
	Do other guys get this level of.
	No, the person has left us 4,000.
	You have $28,000 more than Jamie.
	You're going to go again.
	He's going again.
	He's unbelievable.
	Oh, Michael.
	Oh, my God.
	At this point, Michael has won more money than anyone.
	Yes.
	He hit the button and went.
	Yeah, he just screamed.
	I feel like you can't entertain the delay on that one.
	That's like hard to figure out.
	I'll give you guys the odds.
	You have a one in five chance of hitting a whammy.
	High.
	High.
	25 or 20% chance.
	20% chance.
	Michael has won more money at this point than any person on Press Your Luck ever.
	And you have the opportunity to pay for it.
	Peye, probably Pale every time, right?
	So now skip forward a little bit and let's see how Michael is doing in about 10 minutes.
	No, that's too far.
	Yeah, get like, get like here.
	Yeah, let's watch.
	So they're begging him.
	They're like, Michael, you gotta stop.
	$44,601.
	Will he keep it?
	$44,000, $60,000.
	$3,000.
	Oh, my God.
	One in five chance?
	He's 20 spins in now.
	Jesus Christ.
	Skip forward another 10 minutes.
	So nobody else gets a turn.
	No one, because he's just dominating the game.
	Oh, every time.
	Every time he paused.
	Yeah.
	He's all seven.
	He goes.
	$74,000.
	That's like a thousand.
	That was $2 million.
	I feel that the guy on the left is thinking, I could get a turn.
	I could do this.
	That's what I feel.
	You want to know the crazy thing?
	The guy on the left is last week's champion.
	He won two weeks in a row.
	Michael came in and started clearing him the fuck out.
	Now, I want you to watch one more spin play.
	And I want you to watch.
	No, just play from here.
	Watch Michael's eyes.
	851.
	Michael, you have rolled 31 times.
	31.
	The odds now are astronauts.
	Put him at the craps table.
	Because he has a one in five chance of losing.
	But he's in this close state.
	I think he's hearing the melody.
	Now, pause.
	I want you to go back.
	What did you just say?
	I think he's hearing the melody.
	That's interesting that you said that.
	Go back to Michael's eyes for a second.
	Oh, 74,000,850.
	Now, watch his focus.
	Pause.
	Now, he's looking to the bottom left of the board.
	Michael, for two years before he went on, set up six television sets in his living room without any kind of express purpose.
	He watched those sets meticulously, day and night, looking for any patterns in any show or anything on the TV.
	Oh, not just this one.
	Not just any game.
	He was just looking for any pattern.
	His wife was bewildered by his militant focus.
	After two years, he said, I found it.
	I got to go on Press Your Luck.
	I found the pattern.
	Michael then watched Press Your Luck for months.
	He recorded every viewing and he played them back.
	And he noticed that Press Your Luck had five unique patterns in which the lights blipped around the screen.
	He noticed that if he could recognize those patterns based on if they landed in the top left corner and went to the next tile, he could identify which of the five patterns there were and then accurately predict when to hit the buzzer in order to beat the system.
	Still hard.
	It was at this point in the show that the producers noticed that Michael had beaten.
	Watch again.
	Look at how far Michael goes.
	Please.
	Stop 4,000 and a spin.
	He's already celebrating before he's even.
	So go to the end.
	Yes.
	Oh, wait.
	Michael.
	He's got 100,000.
	Guy on the left has zero.
	No.
	Michael wins $100,000.
	This is the most that had ever been won on a game show ever at this point in history.
	He cleans them out and he basically wins this show.
	The network figures out what he does and they bring in attorneys and they try and find any way to take Michael's money away.
	Technically, Michael didn't cheat.
	Of course, he just watched it.
	He just brought it to the game.
	So Michael gets to leave with his $100,000.
	Now, the sad part of the story is Michael became obsessed with get-rich quick schemes after this.
	No.
	He became obsessed.
	He was obsessed.
	He bought six televisions to have them in his living room.
	Essentially blew through all of his money.
Millionaire Guy Wins Big 00:03:13
	On different things.
	Yes.
	And this is the crazy thing.
	That airing of Press Your Luck was only shown once.
	Because they were just television.
	Because ABC was so ashamed that someone got the best of him that they basically like threw the tape out.
	Probably ashamed.
	They're probably also convinced that if you watch it, you can identify what he's doing.
	You're like, oh, here you are.
	You figured it out.
	Yeah.
	ABC wanted them to buy six television sets the old-fashioned way.
	Like that, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire Guy, right?
	Who uses his final thing to just call his dad?
	Yeah.
	Oh, the best.
	I'm about to be a millionaire.
	I don't have a question.
	I don't know the answer.
	I just wanted to tell you about $200 million.
	That's fucking cool.
	Yeah.
	It's pretty great.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I'm going to close out mine with a question.
	Another friend of the show.
	Oh.
	Here's the question.
	It's fucking heady.
	I said, I'm doing Hassan's show.
	You want to, you got anything for me to ask him?
	You want to hear it?
	Yeah.
	I want to know how he imagines us navigating the spectacle of politicization in an attention economy where calling attention to an issue becomes an issue in and of itself.
	Can't wait to hear the combo.
	Jesus Christ.
	You want me to repeat it?
	No, I got it.
	No, it's actually a great point.
	She's smart as fuck.
	Where whether or not you like Palestine is a great example of those, like what you have said about the genocide in Gaza matters almost as much as like the actual issue in and of itself, because in the Western world, especially in the attention economy, we have this selfish nature to the way that we operate online.
	And I think what's most impactful, what's most significant, this is something I tell other content creators all the time that want to do good, but are worried about the backlash they might receive or that if you, you know, do you donate publicly?
	If you donate publicly, then Jesus Christ.
	Okay.
	If you donate publicly, then are you doing it so that people, you know, so that people say you're a nice person?
	Is it performative?
	Yeah, is it performative?
	And what I always tell him is like, it really doesn't matter.
	People that don't like you are going to find any reason to like sabotage or derive some sort of like cynical purpose out of it.
	So just do the right thing, regardless, no matter what people say.
	And that's how I feel about, that's how I feel about all awareness issues as well, all awareness campaigns as well.
	If this is something that you truly care about, if something that you've you've read about or you see an injustice and you want to call it out, I don't think it matters what people say about it.
	As long as you stay the course, as long as you know that you are doing your very best in a meaningful way, you should just keep doing it regardless of what people say.
	And I try not to pay attention to the noise, usually on issues like this, because things do have a tendency to devolve into drama and drama is what drives a lot of clicks and a lot of attentions in and of itself.
	How you said something, what your true intentions were.
	And I think that comes out of a place of selfishness.
School Shootings and Empathy Gaps 00:06:35
	We can't empathize with people in horrifying situations.
	So what do you mean by that?
	Sorry, Dev.
	I think a lot of people, like, I'll give you this example.
	I'm going to go back to Gaza as well.
	Gaza versus the West Bank.
	Sure.
	Right.
	Americans have no understanding of like entire city blocks being reduced to rubble because they've never felt yeah, They've only seen like 9-11 maybe, and that's not even an equivalent to what has history books history yeah, war movies yeah, they've only seen it in movies.
	So, and and if they've seen it on television uh, it's been presented to them as like people who kind of do that over there and maybe they deserve it right like, look at Syria, look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan, the messaging of that, of how we're, the context within where exactly so, the way that the they have no way of of conceptualizing the, the untold amount of pain and cruelty that these people are subjected to.
	Whereas in the West Bank that violence is a lot more personalized because they're doing pogroms.
	Right, you have settlers that go in, they spray paint a house and then they uh, that means you have to clear out the house.
	They're going to come in, they're going to throw molotov cocktails, they're going to drive you out of there, and then the IDF is going to come in and they're going to shoot the Palestinians that even try to like defend their homes.
	That is a more personalized form of violence.
	So I think Americans like recognize that as like rabid right-wing reactionary doing a school shooting, because they are aware of that, they know, they know what a school shooting looks like.
	So if something looks similar to a thing that they can associate with, they can internalize that better.
	They can empathize with the, with the victims in that situation.
	I feel that people in America can even fully contextualize and empathize with school shooting victims, because I don't, I don't perceive that they can, because the reaction is so numb and void of compassion.
	I feel like there's a I feel like your point is true for sure about our kind of contextualization of, of war-torn, you know, destruction of civilization.
	But I look at the ability to empathize with the thing that we should know immediately.
	We we see the you know CNN footage of the front of the school with the cops outside refusing to go in.
	Yeah, we know exactly how that looks and feels and sounds like.
	We've seen it and smelled it and I don't perceive that most people can put themselves in it.
	The fucked up thing about that is now there's like a measurable percentage of Americans that's right who had a first-hand experience, and it's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So there is a hyper normalization that occurs in this process.
	Shouts out to Adam Curtis, but uh, and that that is very damaging to our collective psyche.
	I think we are becoming more ruthless uh, day in and day out.
	Uh, it is certainly the, the boomerang effect of, of all of the colonial violence that we've subjected the global south to, that comes back and and uh rears his ugly head in on domestic soil in terms of like, domestic instability.
	Um, and you're right, people do, slowly but surely, uh refuse to react to these uh, to these incredible instances of violence like school shootings.
	Oh, the way that they used to.
	Like you, look at Columbine.
	Uh, I remember hearing about Columbine from my mom.
	I think Columbine was before I was.
	I was born in 97.
	yeah columbine was in Yeah, it was definitely before you were born.
	I remember hearing about it as a kid from my mom and being so disturbed by the story of it.
	You know, I don't know what those two guys looked like.
	Like, I don't have any visual.
	I just heard about it and was so disturbed.
	I remember Sandy Hook.
	I remember Parkland.
	I remember Pulse.
	I remember...
	Sorry.
	Yeah, I remember Route 96 or the Vega.
	I forget the exact name of the Vegas shooting.
	I remember all those.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've lost Steven Paddock.
	After all of those, I've lost all.
	Like, there are so many of you.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't remember where I was when Uvalde happened.
	I don't remember what day that was.
	Yeah, it becomes national news anymore.
	Yeah, it all gets smushed together.
	And yeah, that does have a really scary way of normalizing this kind of violence as well, where we just become more cruel to even one another.
	And you're absolutely right.
	I think that it does play a role in making people less empathetic to even their neighbors that might experience something like this.
	Having said that, it is still a concept that people can kind of wrap their heads around.
	That's all I was saying.
	And the reason why I mentioned that is because this is so alien to us, the idea that like a significantly more powerful military force that is a belligerent occupier that is like bombing you into rubble, like destroying every school, mosque, you know, places of worship.
	Because that concept is so alien to us, we can just like kind of hand wave it away.
	And that is the reason why I think a lot of people don't think about the impact, the human impact that it has on humanity and therefore focus on like the attention economy side of it all.
	So I think what's important is to remember why you are trying to bring awareness to an issue and continue protesting, continue advocating, and try to offer as much.
	You can sweat the stuff that doesn't fucking matter.
	Yeah.
	Because that's, I mean, look, I get targeted pretty viciously for my opinion on this issue and every other issue, really.
	And the reason why I don't let it get to me is because I'm thinking about on the other side, the people that I do talk to that live in Gaza, right?
	The journalists that I talk to in Gaza, the influencers that live in Gaza, that are going through tremendous hardship, like that are experiencing a genocide, all the people that I've interviewed, and I do it for them.
	I think about them and I, you know, it makes me very angry to even entertain the notion that like this is hurting someone in the Western world's feelings, right?
	Like someone in America is getting their feelings hurt because of what I'm saying.
	That is like objectively true facts about Israel's conduct in this in this genocide.
	I think it's disgusting to bring it back to like how you personally feel in this process.
	But that is what helps me recenter my focus on the issues that matter and speaking out about it.
Robot Wheels and Revenue Streams 00:01:54
	Thanks for that answer.
	I really appreciate it.
	Hopefully that was good.
	We normally don't do any politics on the podcast.
	I asked.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	But honestly, this was a varied episode.
	We went from Turkish barbers putting their wieners on school shootings.
	I also have to pee.
	Phineas, before you pee, you have an incredible vibe.
	You are such a fun person.
	Well, they said I had an incredible vibe.
	No, I mean, listen, you really won me over at the spot, guys.
	I got to tell you.
	Phineas, thank you so much for being an incredible guest.
	Do you have anything that you want to plug?
	I mean, I'm all good.
	Fun to be here.
	He's like, do you know who the fuck I am?
	All right, everybody.
	Thank you so much.
	We're going to continue the podcast on the paywall at patreon.com slash fear.
	And you can subscribe.
	That way, you can fund March and Austin and their lives.
	I have to do other revenue streams.
	Don't let him.
	Especially March's other revenue streams.
	Not sure about the former.
	He's peeling all the skin off of his face every six days.
	Yeah, you can fund Austin's facial lifestyle by everybody.
	But we'll see you behind the paywall.
	Peace.
	Listen, when I'm just hanging on by my fingernails, I look at this little guy.
	Oh my God.
	And there's just more in the tank.
	So is it just a robot wheels?
	Or do they think the dog just sleeps like that?
	His back legs are paralyzed, Austin.
	What the?
	I don't know.
	Hold on.
	Well, hold on.
	Hold on, Will.
	You're assuming that Levita Austin, the ruin of beautiful movie.
	Assuming that?
	No, I've read the fucking.
	The dog could be an amputee, a double amputee.
	I don't know.
	If they're paralyzed, they're not, right?
	Why would you call them robot wheels?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	The dog's going to be so offensive.
	I'm sorry.
	I was insensitive.

Chapters

00:00:00 Fake Sigma Grindset Schedule
00:15:04 Abandoned Carts and Shopify Fear
00:29:48 Turkish Barbers and Discord Cuts
00:44:57 Unfollowing People Publicly
00:56:19 Eddie Izzard Transvestite Specials
00:59:02 Accidental Studio Samples
01:04:55 Michael Pressing the Whammy Button
01:13:30 Millionaire Guy Wins Big
01:16:43 School Shootings and Empathy Gaps
01:23:19 Robot Wheels and Revenue Streams