Asmongold, Tectone, and Emiru debate AI's inevitability, arguing consumers ignore ethical flaws despite corporate labor displacement. They contrast Palworld's mechanics with Pokémon while analyzing Breaking Bad's Hank Schrader versus Death Note's L, noting ego hindered Hank against Walter White. The group reflects on sci-fi prescience in Ghost in the Shell and Dune, where humanity rejected AI for Mentats. Ultimately, the discussion highlights how capitalism demands constant expansion, forcing creators into asceticism or fear-driven silence amidst online toxicity. [Automatically generated summary]
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Gaming Drama and Armor Cuts00:14:15
Well, I usually keep a distance, you know, I'm on my own thing and I just kind of stay over there and do my own thing until drama happens or something.
You ever watch Breaking Bab?
Yeah.
Bro, I just watched that for the first time.
Oh, my God.
You went out.
It's good.
But then I immediately watched Better Call Saul.
Oh, okay.
I was going to say, that's what I'm watching right now.
There's a fucking fire, bro.
Oh, no.
I'm like in the last season couple episodes in.
Oh, my God.
Bob Odenkirk and Better Call Saul being nominated for 130 different enemies and never winning one.
I saw the compilation of that.
Yeah.
He is so good.
Finish or snack.
That was the movie, The Breaking Bad movie.
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't know that there was a Breaking Bad movie.
What the fuck?
Yeah, it was like wrapping up.
Yeah.
Oh.
Oh, that's coming out?
No, it's been out.
It was now like three years ago.
It just kind of happened.
It kind of went under the radar.
I feel like not a lot of people really paid attention to it.
It's really good.
Oh, I didn't even know it existed, but I just went on a break, Better Call Salt Tear.
And oh my God, it's so freaking good.
This is how we start our podcast, by the way.
Welcome, welcome.
You might be like, what's going on?
Why are you guys not in your studio?
I thought we were still snack broke.
Oh, no, this is how we do it.
Oh, okay.
We just casually started.
Spray on people.
Okay.
Sorry.
I didn't realize that was a little bit of a jump scare.
Yeah, you might be like, what's going on?
Why aren't you at your studio?
That's because I'm in Austin, Texas, here with Will Eber, SavageNet, the third.
And graciously, we were allowed to film inside of the Steak and Eggs Podcast studio with OTK.
Which rules?
Studio meaning warehouse.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like, it's a $40 billion super compound.
They got like turrets out there.
It's dope.
For stream snipers.
Yeah.
Sponsored by Star Forge.
They got it all.
Everything is, everything is in motion.
We have a lot to talk about today.
We have some wonderful guests.
We got Asmund Gold, Emeru, Tektone in the building.
And I am very excited.
First order of business.
Yeah.
I think we got to address the elephant in the room.
Which one?
Asmund Gold has been Hassanabied.
Oh, thank God.
Thank God.
All right.
For those of you at home who are unfamiliar, maybe you don't go on Twitter too much and you spare yourself the madness.
You had a take.
I did.
You had a take about AI and PAL World and AI art in general.
And it was, I assume, a much more refined take, but the version fucking hours.
But the version that made it to the interwebs was not so refined.
Now, you and I might even have disagreements on the AI component, but what you and I do not have disagreements on is that once that happened, and I saw it, and it is definitely a hot button issue for obvious reasons.
AI is displacing a lot of parts of the sector, but specifically with art.
A lot of artists who are already struggling to make ends meet with their art are seeing that like AI is training on their work and all of that is very frustrating.
Very passionate people came after you.
They're very passionate.
But they didn't stop there.
They started looking at other stuff that you were saying.
That's right.
Specifically to clip that and be like, this guy sucks.
And like, keep going.
Keep going on the this guy sucks bender.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Happens to me weekly.
Yeah.
Um, I am known for hot takes and I wanted to hear your perspective on it.
I'm completely fine with it.
It doesn't bother me at all.
I mean, I'm on a public platform.
I'm giving my public opinion.
People can respond publicly.
I think that's just how it is.
Now, obviously, it would be nice if more of the viral tweets were about my argument and not my room.
But, you know, that's just what happens.
That's what happens.
And so I thought about going and making a tweet explaining what I was saying or talking about it.
But then I remembered that once people have made up their mind that you're wrong, well, then you're fucking wrong.
And that's it.
Like, why would like if you tell them that they're wrong about you being wrong, now they're wrong.
Well, they're not going to like that.
Dude, I saw like seven tweets where you're like trying to like talk to somebody's cop matchers.
Right.
And then they would agree that you're right because you were.
And they'd say, but you were still mean about it.
Well, I was a huge asshole about it.
And like, it's true, right?
And it makes me think like, cause, you know, I'm sure, San, you think about this too.
It's like, whenever you communicate, it's like, is your method to create controversy or is it to spread a message?
And how do you spread a message with controversy?
Is this becoming counterproductive, right?
And I think about this.
And so it's like, was I being counterproductive?
I don't know.
In a way, yes, but in a way, a lot of people are talking about it.
So it's hard to say.
Well, I think what you were talking about in maybe a less than tactful way is the inevitability of AI as opposed to the kind of morality of AI.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And that's that's the problem, right?
It's like people, it's like, I think it's important that you have to acknowledge like, this is what I think people are going to do, not what I think they should do or, you know, what would be what things should be like.
But like, for example, like we all saw like the Taylor Swift AI stuff and like all that.
That's completely fucked.
It was wild.
It was awful.
Right.
And so I actually think that there should be laws against like trying to like impersonate somebody with AI.
I mean, it's common sense.
Well, there already are.
It's impersonation.
It just should be applied to that too.
So I don't think it's necessarily like my perspective is really any different than a lot of other people's.
It's just that whenever I try to communicate it, and especially like you're streaming eight hours a day, you can have one minute of being.
I think that it's just a lot of people, especially artists, heard your take and like it felt like there wasn't empathy there for artists.
So they're like, oh, he doesn't care about how this affects me or how this makes me uncomfortable.
But I mean, it was like a condensed take.
So like the misunderstanding.
There were a lot of cuts in the video.
But again, what was your take?
Well, yeah, basically what I'm saying is that like a consumer, I don't think really are people going to actually care about AI in terms of a functional difference of consuming a product.
And I don't, I haven't seen evidence for that.
Well, I would say that you're right in that we also have a really good test market in that consumers, particularly in the United States, don't give a fuck about anything they consume, right?
The majority of the things they consume at this point are unethical.
Absolutely.
From the meat they use to the clothes they use.
They're using a phone that was made in a sweatshop.
Why would they care if something was made by a robot?
Everything is created in profoundly unethical ways.
Absolutely.
I think this is ironic because like AI literally is the exact same in that in that same exact vein where it's like further exploitative because then it's like eradicating the human component.
It's particularly a hot button issue because now we are the ones that are suffering.
Right.
It is the first time that that ethical dilemma has touched Americans or, you know, people that we are close to.
And ultimately, I hope that, I hope that it is kind of an awakening that it's like, wait a minute, we can vote with our dollars.
We can vote with our eyes.
I don't think we can.
Well, I mean, here's the thing.
Did you see, this is like a fucking gaming bullshit drama thing.
Sure.
But the Yakuza, one of the recent games for Yakuza, paywalled the New Game Plus.
Yeah.
And I told everybody, I said, guys, we're making another video complaining about gaming and this isn't going to change anything.
But if we all stop buying it, it would never happen again.
And it's like, it's so disappointing that like people don't have that consolidated like solidarity.
It's so disappointing.
It all went downhill with the horse armor.
That was it.
That was fun.
That was the first moment where we went from like expansions, which were standalone games to actually, maybe we can make extra money with like little.
Maybe just a little bit.
Maybe just a little bit.
Which game was horse armor?
Was that oblivion?
Oblivion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Shout out to Todd Hover for that.
He just, he just was the first time.
It was the first paid DLC.
It was a horse armor.
And like everybody said, oh, it's just a horse armor.
It doesn't matter.
And I'm like, people are saying, oh, it's just New Game Plus.
It doesn't matter.
I'll see you in five years.
Yeah.
And here we are.
I mean, look, even people that criticized at the time.
This is so sexy.
It's sexy.
See, we're doing it.
We're dumb.
But that's the reason why you need like regulation.
How can we train ourselves as consumers to be more discerning about the products we are consuming?
I don't think you can.
Plus, also, here's the second part.
No, no, no, no, you can't.
You can't.
But also, here's the other thing I was going to say.
The only test is this.
And this is the part of your argument that I actually do agree with.
If it's good, people will buy it.
We just talked about, we just talked about Chick-fil-A.
Chick-fil-A is homophobic.
They hate gays.
Gay people love Chick-fil-A, dog.
Gay people will consume it.
We eat that shit daily.
Okay.
It's good.
If it was bad, no one would purchase it.
The thing with AI right now is that it's very bad, but it's getting really good at an alarming rate.
So absolutely.
What do you mean it's very bad?
Like ethically or like where the state is talking about?
No, no, no.
Quality is just bad.
I've played some AI games on stream and it's fun because it's so bad for the time being.
Like if you do those like detective games or whatever, it's not a game at all.
It's just really, really bad.
It's really buggy.
It's really broken.
The AI sucks.
There's like a very specific way that the AI talks as well.
And it's like, you can kind of comprehend that.
And I feel like that will actually start seeping into our collective consciousness, just like how TikTok has ruined an entire generation's way of speaking and other stuff too, but specifically the way people say unalived in the real world now.
It's a lot of wine instead of porn.
Yeah.
So like that kind of stuff.
Assault with two asterisks and stuff.
So that will also seep into our collective conscious, like the chat GPT way of speaking, I think.
But right now, overall, like mid-journey, fine.
There's like some visual quirks to it, but it will get really good.
And I've always been an advocate that like AI, just like every other tool, is supposed to be something that alleviates the stress, the tension from people who are normally using that.
It empowers them.
Yeah, it is supposed to be an empowering tool, but of course, it's not going to be an empowering tool because the bosses see that and go, oh, fuck you.
All right.
No more.
I'm not paying you anymore.
Why would I give you money for graphic design when this fucking machine can do it for free if I buy the software?
And that's what's, that's what the major issue is, which is why I'm an advocate for regulation.
But this is not a political podcast, so I'm not going to be talking about that aspect of it that much.
I think AI is going to be insane in GTA 6, where every single interaction with an NPC is going to be different for every single person.
Has that been stated?
I never heard of it.
I have heard lots of rumors they're going to be using AI for GTA 6.
Okay, so it hasn't been stated.
Somebody is.
I'll Google it.
Okay.
Well, y'all.
I doubt it.
I highly doubt it.
Yeah, I don't think that I don't think that Rockstar is going to invest themselves in tarnishing the release of GTA 6 because AI is still really hot.
Well, I think, yeah, I mean, AI is doing it.
I think it is so hot button.
Like, let's put this in perspective.
The conversation you had about AI.
According to the report, GTA 6 may include enhanced NPC interactions incorporating generative AI.
Similar to Red Redemption.
According to report, what does that mean?
Which website is?
This is Live Mint and also Gaming Bible.
And I feel like that sounds like a fucking AI-generated website.
AI is trying to convince us that it exists.
I've heard it and seen it everywhere.
And I think it would be insane.
What I wanted to dial back and say is the conversation around AI is so hot.
Yeah.
That your conversation stemmed from POW World.
Which, let's put something in perspective.
There's no evidence.
There's no evidence any AI was even used in POW world.
It was released before AI could even make shit like that.
Even to the fact that the fact that it's on Steam means that they actively lied to Steam because Steam asks you if you have AI in the game.
And so they would have had to lie to Steam if you'd had it on their first place.
And the evidence that people have is that the main investor is a tech bro.
Yeah.
He is.
And he's a very big advocate of AI.
He's expressed that on Twitter.
There's a lot of fake stuff about Powell.
And the person that, well, the thing is, the person that did the video of like the side-by-side with those different models admitted that he faked it because he didn't like the fact that they were like it's in his pinned tweet.
I saw this yesterday.
Yeah, the guy who did the tweet that's like, oh, they completely ripped the models from Pokemon.
He edited the model to match the other one, but and he did it because he didn't like it.
Let's say it out loud.
Yeah.
Just because we don't identify or talk about the animal cruelty in Pokemon doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
My mom didn't like Pokemon because of that.
Even in 1990.
If you're keeping animals in cramped balls, you're forcing them to fight.
Well, okay, they're not cramped balls.
And Pokemon episode 17, they actually show the inside of a Pokeball.
It's a big race.
It's very big.
It has a habitat that they're comfortable in, like Squirrels is like a little rock with.
Okay, okay.
What about Arceus?
What about the hundreds of years of legacy that you were putting Pokemon in wooden balls?
Yep, that's fucked up.
You're right.
That's fucked up.
I don't want to insult God.
Pokemon Lore and Animal Cruelty00:15:11
Yeah.
Poga God.
Oh, also, real quick, One Billion Lions or one of every Pokemon in the fight.
Who wins?
Oh, one of every Pokemon.
Yeah.
It's not even a question.
Okay, I'm not really pitching.
I'd fuck this shit up.
Okay, here.
You have to talk about something.
This is PAL.
They're farming.
They are farming.
Yeah.
Okay, you guys both have that reaction, and he had this reaction.
I have no sexual impulse to this animal.
Well, I don't have a sexual impulse, but I can see why somebody else would.
Yeah, I can recognize that.
I can recognize the intention.
I mean, okay, well, then maybe you'll believe me.
I have no attraction to it, but I recognize the intent.
You too, Ambi.
I said I don't.
Yeah, you want to.
I said I don't.
God fuck the shit out of that thing, Bernard.
No, I said I don't.
Yeah, fuck it, bro.
It's like, oh, my God.
Wait, pull it back up.
Pull it back up.
What about this model says that?
Let me put my glasses on.
Okay, okay.
Well, we pull it up.
We're going to talk about it.
You want to talk about it?
Pull it up.
Pull it up.
Okay.
Let's get it.
Open level then.
Number 69.
The way that it walks in games.
No.
So sexy.
Okay, so she does the foot in front of the foot thing.
Like she's doing the saunter.
Her arms are like pinched to the side of her titties.
And it goes even farther.
She only comes out at night.
She is a night Pokemon or pal, excuse me.
And then the heart is clearly supposed to be some big ass titties.
Yeah, and she has like a crotch.
Yes, look at her.
She has a crotch heart.
Marsha, I need a video of this thing and YouTube.
YouTube.
I mean, come on.
What are we talking about?
Those are bird legs.
Sure, they are.
But their thoughts.
I mean, I want to fuck that.
I said I'm not attracted to it.
I just recognize the intent of the design.
Why is it wrong to want to fuck it?
Like, why are y'all so against fucking against it?
It's just that it's not real.
So, like, what am I going to spend all my time thinking about this?
Like, it's just, yeah, there it is.
It's out at night.
Wait, wait, I got to see it.
I got to see it.
Yeah.
You know what's really funny about this game?
It's like, it's a lot of fun for sure, but it's also like, as far as an absolute dog shit game.
You think so?
Well, games need to be fun, first and foremost.
And it nails it on that front.
But it's a dog shit game in the sense that the AI is busted.
It is fucking garbage.
Can I say something, though?
Compared to when the latest Pokemon game came out, this game functions 100% better.
And that's what it comes down to, right?
Game Freak is really bad.
I said this from the beginning.
Power World's success is more evidence that Game Freak has been doing such a woeful job by its community.
Yeah.
That their fans are.
Okay, what's going on here?
Crazy.
Yeah.
You know something else I haven't seen?
Wait, why does it have heart eyes?
You ever seen that shit, bro?
I wonder why.
She's about to breed.
What?
Yeah, you ever seen her chilling in the hot tub?
Chills there, hearts in her eyes, closing up, smiling, so welcoming, so wet, so inviting.
All right, you know what?
You guys get what I'm saying about like, it's a bad game in the sense that like all of the stuff, all the fix-ins that you need for a game to work, like a story, for example.
There is no, I don't know.
It doesn't have anything.
There's like a couple of lore things.
Like you pick them up and you read them on a smartphone and it's like, who gives?
I didn't read a single one.
They do a little bit like.
Yeah.
They do a little bit of like a like a souls born type.
Like maybe we'll feed you the lore shit, but I feel like they kind of gave up on it.
Like there's not really too much going on.
Okay, so then what's the story of Pokemon Red?
Dude, you know that off rip.
It's a kid, you're a born catch fucking Pokemon.
Okay.
But there's also, you're like fighting against gym trainers.
Yeah, the same thing with Power World.
There's gym trainers up.
Yeah.
You are the lab assistant to Professor a Pokemon scientist who has revolutionized the process of documenting and catching Pokemon on the Pokemon.
And after his nephew is in power, Gary, with one of his private collection, he takes pity on you and gives you a Pokemon so that you can start your life.
Gary doesn't like that.
He's a Pokemon trainer.
Yep.
Gary doesn't like that.
And then you catch them all and become the very best and then take on the Elite Four.
That no one ever was.
That no one ever was.
Did you ever know the lore of the PC?
Why it's called Bill's PC?
That lore is insane.
Oh, look into that.
Why it's called Bill.
You meet him.
Oh, yeah.
You meet him after you beat the Nugget Road and he's in that thing and you see him and he's a Pokemon that first transforms to a human.
That's Bill.
Bill.
He's the PC.
Whoa.
Yep.
And then you fight fucking Mewtwo.
The same thing with Power World.
Okay.
You're just a kid who wants to collect all the pals and bring order to the world.
And maybe fuck the 69th pal.
Yeah.
Well, it's like Rust.
What's the story in Rust?
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, there isn't one.
And so I think that as long as the game is compelling and it's fun to play, that's all that really matters.
Everything else, like the story, the lip syncing, the voice lines, all that doesn't really make a big difference.
I agree with you on that front where it's like...
Sure.
It is a testament to like how much Game Freak stands to make the greatest, most compelling, revolutionary IP that changes genre-defining IP of all time.
Well, I mean, that they just like don't do it.
Two things that are true.
Two things that are true.
Game Freak has never made a truly open world game at this point to this day.
They have not.
They tried with RCUs, so it was terrible.
Well, it's still not fully open world.
You like move to those locations.
Two, there has never been a Pokemon game with every Pokemon in it.
No, true.
To this day.
True.
As long as they had version lock.
Yeah, you're right.
That made sense in 1998.
Because what was it?
Pokemon Red and Blue was like, there was the Sandshrew exclusive.
And then I don't remember.
Okay.
Yeah.
The Scythe.
Gold Damn Pillar.
Gold.
Maybe Pokemon Go has every Pokemon in it now.
No, they're not all out.
Maybe Pokemon Stadium too, but like.
I think Pokemon Stadium did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The thing is, there's also one other component in Power World that we're not really talking about that like Game Freak or anything that's like genuinely associated with Nintendo will ever be able to do, which is beating the living shit out of Pokemon with a weapon or even shooting them or even using their like Pokemon power as a gun.
Isn't it so funny that as Americans, like we heard that?
We're like, ha ha, what a meme.
And then we literally couldn't control our boners.
Yeah, right.
We need this.
It was that.
Everybody loves it.
Everybody loves it.
And I don't think that Game Freak will ever do that because like, and I told you this as well, Nintendo has like very strict controls over this IP.
And they obviously already have like the nostalgia bait for the millennial generation that grew up with Pokemon.
But their goal is to sell fucking toys to the younger generation and develop brand loyalty.
And if you want to do that, you can't fuck the Pokemon and you can't beat up the Pokemon.
Yeah.
So aside it, Game Freak, you must not fuck the Pokemon.
You must not beat the Pokemon.
Number of days since last incident.
Yeah.
So that's never going to happen.
They're never going to, they're never, ever, ever going to make a game where you can like actually fight the Pokemon directly.
Maybe the Pokemon can harm you, which Arceus had a little bit of, not a lot, but beyond that, it was still like limited into that turn-based combat, for example, in the same exact classic structure.
And I think that a lot of that could change.
And it should change after PAL World.
I hope they do change it.
Well, I think that they should.
I mean, it's a great idea, but you're right.
It's like, I remember watching Nintendo Direct and thinking, wow, these are all games for kids.
And I was thinking after that, wait, when did I play a lot of Nintendo?
It's like, of course they are.
That's what, that's what it is.
And like, yeah, sure, you'll have, you know, the remaster of Super Mario RPG or something like that for like an older audience.
But yeah, Nintendo is for a younger audience.
And so for a much older audience, too.
Like they hit, they basically hit like, they try to max out on every demographic they can.
Nostalgia bait for like the millennials and for like the elderly to play with their like children.
They also just make really solid games.
Yeah, that's kind of what makes Pokemon an anomaly.
But you got Hassan Obi.
You got canceled by the internet.
But it wasn't a real cancellation.
And I think it's important that you also recognize that because like you getting canceled is getting deplatformed.
Yeah, you clickbaited it as like I got canceled and people saw the, they didn't watch a two-hour video.
Of course, nobody would ever fucking do that.
And then nobody.
I mean, people, of course, watch the video, but like no one that wants to make a point is going to do that.
Of course.
So they because then they might actually follow your logic throughout.
Yeah.
They screenshotted you and said, you didn't get actually canceled, dumbass.
People just yelled at you.
It's like, I think everybody understands that at this point.
It's like, I mean, to be honest, I have no oversight for my YouTube at all.
Like, my editors do everything.
They're paid a percentage, and that's it.
And so, like, obviously, I can say that, but it's still my YouTube channel.
I'm still giving them the pat on the back, the go-ahead for it.
So, it's still my responsibility.
But I actually didn't really make the title, but yeah, you can get mad at it.
But it's a good title.
It's a clicky title.
It's a great title.
Yeah, it's a good clickbait title.
But the point is, it was supposed to be about PAL World.
Then it was about AI.
And now it's about you in particular.
And now it's about what's wrong with you and everything else that's wrong with you.
And like, it is fascinating to see that cycle that I go through on a regular basis.
Yeah.
Sometimes relatively warranted, but in my personal opinion, in most instances, not really warranted.
And that just kind of like builds up.
And I feel like it makes a lot of spaces toxic, especially online.
Well, I feel like the two of you represent something that has been dangerous to man and woman since the dawn of time.
You're two men who don't want anything from anyone.
And I think that vexes people to no end.
People that are able to exist independently of the machine represent a threat to it.
Of course, right?
Because your lifestyle is threatening to people because they're like, why doesn't he want our approval?
Yeah.
It is weird.
It's very weird whenever people are like, oh, well, I would do this if I had this much money.
I do that if they had that much money.
And it's like, I understand.
And like, I can never be another person.
And I'm actually not judgmental about people that feel that way.
And it's like, if you want to buy all this stuff and it really makes you happy, then you should do that.
On that front, you and I are on the exact opposite too.
Because I do like luxury goods and shit.
However, it's people will be like, oh, he bought this for me.
Like, he bought this to flex on me.
It's like, no, dude, I bought it because I like it.
Like, I don't give a fuck what you think.
Like, that, that part is that part's true.
But also, I do care about one thing.
I do want people to be charitable.
I want people to approach what I have to say with like a level of charitability, which usually doesn't happen online at all.
And it increasingly got worse, I think, on Twitch over the course of the past year.
And that's what I wanted to talk about with my Austin trip specifically.
I feel like this platform thrives on collaboration and like, you know, having content creators talking to one another in real time.
And collaboration is what?
And it's bare bones.
It's just like two content creators interacting with one another and their communities like interacting with one another.
Right.
Now, that collaborative effort or that interaction could be negative and it could be two content creators debating one another, myself and XQC, for example.
Saw that.
Right.
Or whatever.
I heard.
Or it could be two content creators actually interacting with one another in a positive way.
And I feel like Twitch, for the most part, especially like in its inception, or I mean, since I've been on it, I never thought I would be the old guard one day.
But when I first got on it, it was definitely way more collaborative in a positive way.
And I think over the course of the past year, especially so, it became very negative.
Every interaction was basically tarnished.
It had like this stink on it, no matter what.
And I think a lot of people became islands in and of themselves.
And that's part of the reason why I wanted to come down here and like hang out with you guys and like do more of that kind of stuff because it is very enjoyable.
It's what normal people do.
And I think that's the problem, right?
It's like you stream so much, you're doing so much of this other stuff, you forget that the other people you're interacting with are probably normal people who have probably more in common with you than most average people, right?
I mean, who else sits in a room all day and like talks to a camera?
It's a very unique lifestyle.
So yeah, I totally agree with you.
I think the reason why is that like, especially after like the 2020 COVID boom, you saw like some people getting dragged on Twitter for like saying something for having an opinion about, you know, let's say COVID that's like uneducated or uninformed.
And like, I think that a lot of people nowadays are much more gun shy to like interact with other people or talk to other people because they're afraid of like what could happen.
Because like I had a lot of people message me, for example.
And like, I'm sure like, you know, some of those times whenever you're trending and everybody's shitting you, it bothers you.
Other times it probably doesn't.
There's probably a spectrum, right?
And, you know, they were like, are you okay?
Is everything okay?
I'm like, yeah, I'm fine.
Right.
But like, whenever I first started, especially like some of those things would stress me out.
And it would be like, oh my God, this is really upsetting.
And so like, if it's a person who doesn't really have like the mentality or isn't used to dealing with that kind of stuff, and then they just get put like, I think that Joe Cat guy, who's that tech tone?
Yeah, Joe Cat.
He's the guy who said he loves girls.
He's like thick girls.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he like, he, he said, I don't remember what it was.
He said he likes skinny girls or thick girls.
He made, he likes all girls.
Joe Cat is an animator who made like a meme on his own stream and then like turned that meme into an animation that went super viral many years ago.
A person I actually know jokingly was like, I made this.
And like, cause it's like a meme on Twitter to be like, I made this.
And it's like actually cringe.
And you're basically showing, because it was very cringe.
We can show the video if you want.
March, can you pull that up?
Joe Cat.
I probably heard the audio of it.
Yeah.
It was super popular.
So yeah, the audio was really popular and it certainly is cringe.
I mean, but like got canceled?
He didn't actually get canceled, but like well, he kind of did because he's still making content.
A lot of people attacked him and he wasn't able to deal with that.
Yeah.
He stepped away from making content.
I think he's still doing some things, but he did take a big step away.
And like, I think that's why people are gun shy and don't like to collab.
Internet Steroids and Ego Fueling00:09:03
Okay.
Yeah.
I think that's a big part of it.
Oh, yeah.
Can we hear the volume or no?
Oh, there's no girls than pointing to girls.
Yeah.
And it's like skinny girls, itty bitty girls, big titty.
It's based off of another song where it's a girl talking about how much they love men.
And then they made it the song for a guy that loves women.
And because you can't have that.
Why are people mad at that?
Yep.
If you listen to it, you'd be like, it's cringe.
It is cringe.
Because it is.
But it's like, he's very talented.
That's the funniest part.
Like, he's such a talented animator.
Like, it's obvious.
But yeah, he's, as one of my friends called it, gay for women.
I think I'm gay for women.
Yeah.
So, but it was cringe and everybody yelled at him for being cringe because I think a lot of people online like treat cringe as like there's two things that people can't stand online.
It's the perception of hypocrisy, even if none is there.
Yeah.
But you've assumed that there is hypocrisy there and also cringe.
If you combine these two things, people online who are one, inherently hypocritical as every human is, and two, very cringe, because you're fucking posting online.
Of course you're cringe.
You're just doing it anonymously so you can hide most of it.
True.
We hate ourselves.
We hate what we see.
The worst aspects of ourselves, we see in others and we go, oh, I want to take you to cringe prison.
I think you're right about that.
Those are the two main things, but I think that the reason why they're so popular is that it gives the person who's complaining the ability to insert themselves as being superior.
Right.
So like, for example, this is cringe implies that I'm above this.
Yeah.
And this is hypocritical implies that like I'm morally consistent.
Yeah.
So it's like, it's built around basically like fueling the ego of these people more than anything.
I think that's why those are the two main popular things.
It makes people feel very comfortable in a group of people.
You're in a crowd.
You're invisible in many ways, but you're also showcasing that like you are not cringe, but this person is.
Exactly.
Anyway, let's move on from this topic.
I feel like we are.
We haven't asked Emeru anything so far.
Oh, I got questions for Emeru.
Okay.
Emeru, you're about to beat a bitch up.
About to beat a bitch up.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Techie doesn't know.
I don't know.
What is this?
I guess I was loud.
Yeah, I'm about to start a fighting training on our watch.
I'm not going to lie.
I thought that's what he was going.
What's the style?
Like boxing or like Muay Thai.
Am I saying that right?
I don't know.
Yeah, Muay Thai.
Yeah.
Yeah, Muay Thai.
Who are you going to beat up?
I don't know.
Like, I just want to learn how to do it.
But then I was thinking that because I was like, okay, well, most people who like go train at these gyms are bigger than me, stronger than me.
They've been training for a long time.
So it's like, well, then who could I fight?
But I'll fight you.
You'll fight me.
Well, Emily already said that she would fight me and she has a little bit of boxing training.
She's someone that's around my size.
I mean, I just want to learn.
And then also with doing the fighting, I also have to train like weights and stuff.
I have to get stronger.
So, I mean, it's something that I've thought about doing for a while, and everyone's been doing stuff at the gym, which I was like kind of sad because for a while, I was kind of scared to go to the gym.
Like, it's such like a public location and stuff.
But seeing everyone there, I was like, okay, it's probably not that big of a deal.
It will be the best decision you ever make.
I've been going to the gym every dinner for a month and two weeks.
I can't stop.
It's my favorite thing.
I would love to see some traps.
Traps?
Yeah.
Trapezius muscles.
You've been treated like a bigger muscle mommy.
Yeah.
I don't know if I could do that, but where every time you go, you're like, oh, plus two strength.
Yeah.
It makes it so much more fun.
I love it.
I do that for everything.
Seriously, though, if you had to fight someone.
If I had to fight someone.
If you're putting together a prize fight.
Oh, I know.
Lily P2.
Lily P2.
Why?
I would.
She's vicious.
You know, I mean, similar build, probably.
She doesn't have the killer instinct that you do, so it's easy buckets.
That's what you think.
You think Lily doesn't have the killer instinct?
That's why you not know.
You played League for Fun.
Lily got excited when Michael Reeves was fighting.
She got into it.
Oh, she was a big fan of it.
I think she'd take that.
I think she's got that dog in her.
I wouldn't undermine it.
I would pay American dollars to the fight.
I think it would be really funny to fight Lily.
Yeah, I would do that.
Oh my God.
What a title fight.
Tecton, you're built like a power lifter that just quit lifting many years ago.
Tecton, if you shaved your beard, you would look like the creative character in every NBA game before you start working on that.
I'd like a troll from World of Warcraft.
That's what I prefer.
So what's up with that?
Are you going to take some fucking steroids and do you beat up or not?
Yeah, no, I used to do steroids.
Oh, really?
I didn't know that.
Would you have photos?
Actually, I have a couple.
Not all.
How many did he wrestle?
Yeah, I did professional wrestling at Austin Anarchy Pro Wrestling.
It was a very fun time.
I got injured very quickly.
And my stardom.
Broken deck.
Stardom got really fucked up.
And then my coach, his name was Ray, wanted me to be a luchador because he thought I was too fucking ugly to not wear a mask.
That is awesome.
Which was insane, by the way.
And I'm like, all right.
But yeah.
Get up on that top rope.
He said, you got a face bill for radio.
I did the same steroids that Knut currently uses, which is it's like rub on medical grade where you rub them on your chest and then it puts the test.
God damn.
Hey, you like that?
Wow.
That was unexpected.
Do you do those topical steroids?
Yeah, yeah.
The fuck?
I didn't even.
You rub it on the testosterone does that.
Yeah, I've never run a thousand.
Did you jelk with that to get extra length?
Oh, really?
But I will admit, like, that shit fucks you up.
Even the shit that you rub on is not good.
Yeah.
But you get really big really fast.
Because it's not that steroids make you stronger.
It's that they give you the ability to train harder.
Yeah, more capacity.
Exactly.
So you get juiced really quick.
But yeah, I mean, right now, I'm still outbenching what I used to, anyways, just because Camp Canute changed my fucking life, which hope to God we do a season two.
Oh, I think, I think that's happening.
Yeah, it needs to happen 1 million percent.
And yeah, I'm enjoying it now more than ever just because I just play video games and I go with my homies.
It's very nice.
Like with a group of like seven people like every day.
It's so fun.
If I worked, I would canute for 30 days.
I would die.
It's actually the best.
Because like there's a lot.
Like, look, I'm a relatively experienced lifter doing this for 10 years now.
You know, I've had my ups and downs for the most part, but when I'm around someone like Canute, he has this energy.
He's a son.
I have more reps.
He just makes me push way harder than I normally would.
Oh, yeah.
And because like I have something to prove to him because I respect his size.
Yeah.
He's a specimen.
Right.
And he becomes like a father figure.
Yeah.
Where you're like, I have to, I have to show him that I'm to show that I'm show him that I'm capable of.
Tell me you're proud, dad.
And it's just like, I am in so much pain.
Good pain, not bad pain, from working out these past two days where, you know, we did chest the first day and then legs the next day and everything hurts right now.
And I don't know if I can do that for a 30 day straight.
I would like to.
I think you would be surprised at how much you're capable of when you're doing an exercise regimen with somebody who cares about you with seven other people that are your friends.
And you do it every day and it's like hanging out with your best friends, getting jacked together, motivating each other to get stronger.
And the best thing, motivating your audience to do the same.
Yeah.
It's the best.
Yeah.
So do it.
You guys are going to be a part of this as well.
Oh, fuck now.
Oh, fuck.
I saw you in there, man.
You were putting up, you were bench pressing the bar.
Yeah.
So I mean, look, don't let anybody make fun of you.
The internet wants you to get jacked.
Yeah, that's a lot.
I don't know.
Stone cold gold.
Like, the real reason why I haven't really tried to like work out or gain weight is that I feel like the way that I live is a medical anomaly and I don't want to fuck up some sort of like internal equilibrium, right?
I'll start working out.
Trump said that too.
Where he was like, he literally was like, I don't want to, and it's true.
He lives on Diet Coke and McDonald's.
Yeah.
And he's going to be 75, 76 years old.
And so I'm like, guys, I'm 33.
I feel good.
Yeah, I've had a problem with my back a little bit, but other than that, I feel great all the time.
Do you ever contemplate, though, that you might just really have good genetics?
And if you worked out and were healthy, that you could immune to be even better.
Yeah.
So you're wasting your genetic energy.
Oh, shit.
A little bit.
God, your rants would go so hard too if you were just shirtless and jacked.
Yeah, you're alcoholic.
Oh, God.
God damn, dude.
You might save the young men of this country.
Is that right?
You're getting absolutely strapped.
I mean, somebody needs to.
I feel like there's a lot of them.
There's a lot of internet dads out there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Baller University, man.
Hell yeah.
I mean, if you could fight any character from lore or history or otherwise.
Who would win?
You were Kirby.
Kirby owns.
What the fuck is that?
Yeah.
Who would you fight, though?
Mariah Nikki.
Anyone.
I love to beat the shit out of Manus.
That's not going to happen.
But if I could.
No, he's asking if I could.
I would fucking kill him.
Manus, Dark Souls, extra, what's it called?
DLC content.
Yes.
Okay.
Fuck that guy.
Okay.
Why are you so, why is there so much hate in your heart for him?
Yeah.
Because I fought him for like six hours and I almost cried.
More importantly, she's.
She's nameless king.
Yeah, she went into Dark Souls with a big fucking ego and she was very much ahead of me on deaths.
Yeah, we did a death race.
I was like 100 deaths ahead.
And then at the very end, I died to this wrong guy like 80 times.
And it went all downhill on that one.
That was it.
The crumbling.
And I did end up winning.
Yeah.
Yep.
Listen.
By who?
Like who?
Anybody, anybody in lore video game?
Ooh, I don't fucking know.
Like, he's gonna have a law, bro.
He's at a list.
Yeah, no, I'm not.
He's the lore guy.
You can ask him like anything about WoW.
He'll like know that you came out in the middle.
Two seconds.
Cook for two.
For me, I'd fight Blackbeard from One Piece.
Wow.
I mean, he'd rip you.
I hate that motherfucker so much.
He's got gravity.
He's got so much.
He's got everything.
He's got everything.
And the worst thing is he's not done.
You want to know why?
He's going to kill Trafalgar.
This is a guess.
This is a guess.
Okay.
It's just speculation.
Okay.
You also know how One Piece ends.
All speculation.
No, you don't.
I'm going to say that.
So first of all, he's going to kill Trafalgar Law.
I know that's going to happen.
But remember, no one else here watches One Piece, or do you?
No, they know.
I know.
I only know up to where the Netflix shows.
Okay.
I am currently...
Where am I?
Zoa.
And then I think I finished.
I just finished Dress Rose.
Yep.
You're about to finish Dress Rose.
Yep.
You're in a very good spot.
I'm going to say how it ends.
The One Piece is on the moon.
And it gives Skype.
Yep.
And it's going to give Luffy the ability to connect all the islands and make the world One Piece like Pangea.
Whoa.
Okay, that's actually kind of sick.
That's correct.
Someone in Japan is going to kill you.
I've been saying this for over two years.
Well, this will be the case.
Oh, is this Skype?
No, since I had a previous podcast where we were talking about speculation.
It was about that is going to happen.
Okay.
Who would you fight?
Who would I fight?
Any person.
I didn't even, I like that you asked everybody and I didn't even think that I would answer this question.
She's like, I don't know.
I'm a lover, not a fighter.
Come on.
One person.
Who would you fight?
You beat the fuck out of Miskiff yesterday.
That's true.
Miskif.
Miskate again.
No, no, no.
In video games?
No, any video games, books, movie?
Who would I fight?
Yes.
Physically in the room.
We've asked everybody.
Like a real person.
I can put forward a real.
Oh, dude.
Put a beating on him.
There's so many people.
You guys suck.
There are so many people.
It's just like a lot I won't say because they're political.
I would fight Adolf Hitler.
There you go.
Not controversial.
Brave.
Brave.
I know.
Who would you fight, Will?
Bad guy.
He is.
Given this a lot.
Someone who pissed me off the most.
You just watched this show.
Okay.
I'd fight Skylar from Breaking Bad.
Oh, my God.
Damn.
I don't like her.
She's the worst.
Wow.
And, you know, if I had a situation where I couldn't be judged, I would just beat the shit out of Skylar.
Terrible, like, horrid bitch.
It was she the one who cheated on her husband.
Oh, my God.
Like, she obliterated Walter's character.
Oh, my.
It's like poisoning this show.
Like, people are going to get so passionate about this because, like, every week, every other week, there's another.
Did you see the meme?
There's another viral meme about how Skylar is actually not a bad person in the show, and you guys are misogynistic.
And it's like, no, it's a fictional character.
And like, she's presented in that way specifically to make the content worse.
So, yeah, of course, you're not supposed to like her.
Okay.
You're not.
Yep.
You're not supposed to like Walter all that much either, but you're definitely not supposed to like her either.
Well, it's like in most normal people's lives, they might have a girl that cheated on them, but they probably didn't know of a cartel boss.
Yeah.
So it's more personal.
Yeah, they don't run a meth-making operation.
Yeah, so they don't understand the dynamic there.
And we're just doing a fun game on a podcast.
Who would you fight?
Fuck.
I'd say the Lich King, something like that.
It's a boring answer.
Boring answer.
I just don't really think about it because in my mind, oh, the Lich King beat my fucking ass.
He's the goddamn Lich King.
So it's like, how are you going to beat anybody in there?
So it's like kind of it's like Arthur King.
You would probably fight the name of Arthur King.
Like if you saw the Nameless King in a bar, you would probably just pop it.
I've made peace with it.
That's why I was going to say Nameless King at first, but like I killed him.
So if you had to go beat the Nameless King again right now, you'd have a good time.
Was it that bad?
Yes.
I quit for like a year and a half.
I had a year?
Oh my God.
I know.
Yeah, you had a hard time.
I finished a game and everyone's like, no, you didn't.
You didn't kill the Nameless King.
Do you want to know what boss that was for?
Owl 2.
Sekiro.
Oh.
Owl 2.
I was on that one for a long time.
Punishing boss.
I think that was like five or six hours for me.
Yeah.
It took me a bit.
I thought Owl One was harder.
No.
Because he kills that little ball.
It's because Sekiro, unlike all of the other Soulsborn games in the franchise, actually puts you with limiters.
Like there's no way to over-level and get back to that fight.
So there's literally no help.
It's all rhythm.
It's all pure skill in that entire franchise, which is why I think it's the hardest one in the entire franchise for that reason, which is why.
I think Bloodborne was a joke.
Bloodborne at the end, though, some of those late game bosses are common.
Dude, you know, Orphan of Cause?
Yeah.
Guess how long it took me to Charlie?
One attempt.
And you know what's crazy?
I win him with half potions.
Yep.
With Warloggage.
Is he really good at games or something?
No, he just got lucky on that one boss.
No, it was actually scale, but he just has underplayed.
Would you agree that Breaking Bad is just death note?
Think about that.
Yep, it's the same show.
Think about Hank and Walter White.
That's literally Kira and L.
No, because Al is competent.
Hank is famously incompetent.
Is he?
Yes.
Well, he was very good at everything else.
What?
He was like, he got promoted to the lead operation.
He's a police force.
That's like getting promoted.
It did tasty freeze.
Same.
Okay.
Do you think the DEA does a good job in this country?
The war on drugs going well?
They literally, they literally promote you.
The more thumb-like you look, the more you get elevated.
And Hank looks like a thumb.
It's like Light and Kira if they weren't as, or sorry, L and Kira if they weren't as smart.
It's a very similar plot.
It's a very similar plot.
I feel like a major opponent here is.
It would be like Death Note if Light Yagami was Walter White and Elle was a kid with Progeria trying to play football.
Who do you think is healthy?
Hank is very smart, but you get to understand.
It was his ego that was getting in the way of him realizing that because he thought Walter was so.
You don't even remember?
Yes.
After he got shot, he was useless.
There were whole seasons where he's like, oh, oh.
You've been shot.
Have you been shot?
And I want to feel that.
Elle was never like, I'm so scared.
Because he didn't get shot.
You're wrong.
How do you think Elle would have reacted if he got fucked up?
He would have been like, oh, a bullet.
It's in my arm, though.
So I have a while to bandage it.
I need to think about the best tourniquet I can.
Okay, maybe he would tank it.
You tank it.
The problem is Elle is maybe the greatest anime protagonist ever.
I think so.
And Hank Schrader is fucking Hank Schrader.
I thought Hank Schrader was a great character.
Trader Brow.
He's a great character.
He's no L, though.
No, he's no L.
But he's an Americanized version of it.
You know what it is?
You know what?
I think L is like the perfected version of like the much older style of like Sherlock Holmes, but as a protagonist.
No, he's supposed to be the guy from Murderer on the Orient Express.
And what's his name?
I can't think of it.
I don't know.
The famous detective.
But he actually is like...
I think a lot of times with like Sherlock Holmes and whatnot.
Or like Glass Onion.
Yeah, he's supposed to be like the omnipotent detective.
But the way that they, the way that they present Sherlock Holmes, usually in like, especially modern renditions of it, is like, he's just really smart.
He always gets it.
Like, there isn't any, there's no thing about Al is that you have to factor is he is fighting God.
Yeah, he is.
Because a lot of people are like, oh, light and L are, you know, evenly matched.
They're not.
No, no, no.
The only reason Light can compete with L is because he's been given the power of God.
Absolutely.
Which puts a detective in an impossible situation where he's literally doing logic about the unfathomable.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I don't know.
I haven't seen that.
I haven't seen Justin.
We've talked about this multiple times.
I thought by now you're going to be able to do it.
I still haven't seen it yet.
It's still like a title.
It's also a super easy watch.
Yeah, it's a really good thing.
It's like super easy watch.
Death Note Manga and Adult Swim00:05:43
This is for the first season and 26 of the whole thing.
I know I was hooked with when they play tennis and there's like a 30-minute sequence of him being like, he's going to hit a forehand.
Wait, it's a slice.
And it's like so overthought.
The best thing is.
Watch it tonight, bro.
Light's in the car.
Right.
And then he touches the paper again and then everything comes back and he's just screaming from the information overload.
Oh my God.
What is yours?
Because I just, I just realized that you're a weeb today.
I didn't, I had no idea.
It's so funny because like I went on trash taste.
He got mad.
Yeah.
What the fuck?
When I went on trash taste, they were shocked because I went on trash taste, which is like the premier weed podcast.
And it's like, and I had like notes written out ahead of time for them.
Like I brought controversial subjects, some of which I think like have been very prescient.
Attack on Titan is an anime that is actually a mecha anime.
It is 100%.
I was like, I'm going to go to the flesh mechanic.
Yeah, Flesh Mecha.
Yep.
And especially with the political undertones as well, Overtones.
That is a good take.
Yeah.
And then the other one is Luffy is a terrorist.
Yeah.
Oh, what's that about?
He's a freedom fighter.
He fights against literally the one world government and C-cops.
You're right.
There you go.
100% right.
Both of those super violent.
Like people, at first, they were like, whoa, and then they were like, okay.
So I need to know this because everybody has this moment.
I'm not sure if you might not remember it, but try to.
What is the moment where you were like, I fucking love this shit?
Oh, I remember.
Mine's very clear.
It's when Krillin blows up and Goku's like, well, we can't have that.
Goes Super Saiyan 1 for the first time versus Fraser.
Dicko mode.
Insane.
What was your anime moment?
I think it was manga.
I think it was Dragon Ball.
I remember this, actually.
I remember mine specifically because the stars aligned.
I was at a sleepover at my friend's Ben, my friend Ben's house.
It was my first sleepover ever.
And many people experience this.
Your first sleepover, you're scared shitless.
You're like, I'm not in my house anymore.
What the fuck is going on?
So I couldn't sleep.
So he was a really rich kid.
So I snuck up to one of his like living rooms that was isolated and I started watching TV.
And I put on Cartoon Network because that was like my safety.
It happened to be the night that Adult Swim was debuting Cowboy Bebop.
What the fuck?
And so I was like 10 years old, nine years old.
I was like, Cartoon Network, like let's get some fucking Dexter's lab in.
Here we go.
Yep.
And all of a sudden it was like, I don't know if you guys remember the old original bumps for Adult Swim, but it was like all kids out of the pool.
Yep.
All kids.
And I was like, what the fuck is that?
And then fucking Cowboy Bebop came on and my mind, it was that first episode on Mars with the red-eyed coyote and all that shit.
My mind like imploded.
And I just like, I, I put away childhood things forever.
I was like, there's a world out there.
And it just, like, I, I was hooked to the point where I would like climb, sneak down in my house and watch adults swim.
And I was exposed to all of these things.
And it was.
It was similar enough because it was cartoons in my mind that I could rationalize it or try and wrap my head around it.
But the, this, the themes and the concepts were so adult and so challenging that it just felt like alien in a native way.
Like the first time a girl touches your butt during sex.
You know what I mean?
Like, and I just loved it.
I fucking, I loved it and I couldn't get enough of it and we from that point.
I think Dragon Ball got me invested in like anime and manga because I read Dragon Ball as a manga.
Yeah.
But I think my like come to Jesus moment was probably Samurai Shampoo Adult Swim as well.
Samurai Shample.
Don't remember the specific moment.
I don't remember the specific moment.
No.
Damn.
The first episode is so fucking strong.
So it's probably a that show.
So for me, it was like random because like I didn't grow up here, but like sometimes in the summers I'd come to America and that's all I did was like read comic books and read manga.
I would go to Borders.
Which is like Barnes and Noble.
With a cafe in it?
Yeah, with the Seattle's best coffee in it.
And I'd get one of those like fat fucking milkshake coffees and I would just sit there and just like read as much as I could because like they don't have that shit in terms of my first manga ever was Cho Bits.
Me too.
That's a classic.
And it's like a very girly manga because in my fifth grade class, there was a girl named Shao Nin and she like was reading that and I was like, what the fuck is this?
And she's like, read it.
And I remember there are boobs in it.
Yeah.
There's a lot of big hooked for me.
But I was like 30 volumes into Cho Bits.
And I was like, this story is incredible.
I had another girl in my life.
Your first manga was Chobits?
That's so cool.
And my first anime too?
Yeah.
They made an anime of it.
Yay.
You haven't seen it?
No.
Dude, the opening is a banger.
Peep it.
I had a chick in English class in sixth grade who would let me read her Ravemaster manga and then make me eat bugles off her fingers.
Well, I would read anime with her.
She had a mistress.
That's sick.
It was wild, actually.
You would get diagnosed.
I was very hungry and I loved anime.
Two of my favorite things.
Two of my favorite things combined.
What a treat, dude.
All right.
I'm going to pull up.
Let's see.
Okay, we talked about sixth grade.
Hell yeah.
The old anime, like I remember watching, dude, for me, it was Ghost in the Shell.
I remember seeing that.
And it was like the first cartoon that I saw that was like serious.
Yeah.
I was like, oh, oh, shit.
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What?
Wait, what?
How ahead was Ghost in the Shell?
It's insane.
Ghost in the Shell is...
There are projects like that that make no sense to me where it's like, we are now in 2024.
Ghost in the Shell came out in the 1980s.
Have you ever seen Lane?
What's up?
Lane, the serial experiments Lane?
Yes.
I recently watched it like maybe a year and a half ago.
That was the exact fucking thing that I thought.
Yeah.
Why are they more relevant now?
Yeah.
Than they were when they came out.
Exactly.
That makes no sense to me.
I think some of it is good politics and the other is just, they just nail it.
It's got good philosophy in it and then it becomes like way more prescient.
Ghost in the shell is kind of predictive in the same way that really good sci-fi is.
And the other piece that I want to talk about with AI becoming more and more of an issue, full circle on this, Dune.
If you really get into the Dune lore with the Men Tats, what happens, the lead-in events to Dune that they kind of cover in the books, not the movies at all, is that mankind goes to war with AI.
Notice they don't have guns in Dune?
Right.
What's that?
So they completely change their religious, technological, and cultural structure to avoid using computers.
It's a wipeout, a full wipeout.
And they change actually Christianity.
They have the orange book.
This is some nerdy shit.
Now I'm taking you there.
I didn't know all this.
Yeah.
But the idea is that they went to war with AI because they realized human beings could not exist harmoniously with AI.
So Mentats are actually human computers.
They're people that have spent their entire lives training to do what a basic computer would do because they are now against the law to use.
What the fuck?
That's actually so cool.
A lot of the technology is just like, it's wiped out completely.
They predicted that in like the 80s, man.
How?
How?
I mean, I don't know.
It's like the internet's coming up.
I mean, not 80s, but like it's the, there's like a technology.
I think if you understand human psychology and you can kind of predict that people always want more, will always escalate things more and more.
I think that a lot of that is built off of that psychology.
And big surprise, they're right.
Yeah.
You know, it's fucked up.
We can't help ourselves.
Yeah.
No, but you're, but that's true.
Actually, yes.
That's why I love a good dystopia.
Yeah.
It's why what's the Matt Damon movie is one of my Elysium is one of my favorite movies.
Do you think there's any cure to that?
Do you think there's maybe like a gene that we can point to in the future and eliminate to stop human beings from being so just impossibly ambitious?
No, but it's not even an ambition.
Dude, look, you're not an ambition.
You might even want to talk about politics.
If you had a lot of people, this is very political.
This is like, I'm holding back.
I'm holding.
Talk to me about.
I'm like, what am I doing here?
Just give me like 10 minutes of ethical consumption.
It's the way that we've progressed post-industrial revolution that has basically made our, designed our entire lives around permanent growth and not necessarily sustainability at all.
That's why it's like unique when someone like yourself exists in this way.
No, but no, I'm serious.
You live an ascetic lifestyle.
Yeah.
You're like Diogenes.
Which is like odd because you make a shit ton of money.
And I mean, you make in comparison to the average person.
I do.
Things are good.
Things are very good.
And beyond that, like, but you don't have any interest.
You have figured out what makes you tick what you enjoy.
I have as well.
And you just kind of just keep hitting that button and you don't hit any of the other buttons.
You're like, no, that's the one.
This is the one.
This is the shit that I like.
And like, and I think that that limits your growth potential under capitalism, under a capitalist structure.
This isn't to say that you're a socialist by any means, but that mentality is oftentimes lost upon many.
And that is because we are taught and we have normalized this concept that like, no, you have to constantly like build.
You have to constantly expand.
Hassan, why don't you hire more people so you can like build a business?
Because I don't want to.
I care more about like hitting the button and doing the things that I like doing.
If you could program a button to do one thing over and over again for the rest of time.
I don't know if you want the answer to that.
Feed him Dr. Peck.
That is a good lead-in.
That is a good leader.
What would your button do?
I don't know.
I mean, like, to do anything?
Just one spit, one thing.
Like, you press a button, turkey, bacon, sandwich, boom.
Cure any illness that I have.
Okay, that's a good button.
Yeah.
The doctor button.
No, mine is closer to Kira.
World leaders.
Oh.
Like 3D printing them?
No, killing them.
Oh.
I didn't say that.
He did.
I know he got that.
Would you have a medical button or an assassination button or would it be simple?
I'd probably just have a button where like when I'm tired, I need to sleep.
I press it.
It's like I just slept.
That's a good thing.
Good dog.
Now that's the person who loves living life.
Okay.
You're like, oh, I don't want to miss out on anything.
I just find having to sleep so intrusive and annoying.
Really?
Yeah, like when I sleep, I enjoy it.
But if I could choose to never have to sleep, I would never sleep again.
True.
Okay, I got a better button.
Okay, better than he said.
Better than the assassination one.
That was a bit of a meme.
Okay.
I hit the button and it basically gives me mouth pleasures.
And it is zero calories.
Okay.
Oh, dude, I thought you were talking about it.
I thought you were talking about him.
I got you.
I was talking about fucking, I was talking about food, my man.
I'm eating like A5 snow beef wagu that was like just cut off a calf that was like fucking massaged her whole life.
Food button, but it doesn't like do any of the negative side effects, like making me fat.
What's your button, Tech?
Probably, what's it called?
Telekinesis button?
Not the readmins more where you can like fucking move shit with your minds.
Okay, that's that's not, but they didn't.
No, the button.
That's just your beef psychic.
That ain't a button.
So the button does whatever I'm looking at goes into my hand.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's a force pull.
Yeah, exactly.
So like I'm like, oh, I want a soda.
Press the button.
It goes into my fucking hand.
That's shit.
That's the hardest thing in the world.
If I had a button, it would be shaped like a bell and it would be to turn on notifications for the Fear End podcast.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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Is there a rule 34 Yoda?
I'm going to pull it up.
What if they have eggs or something?
Yeah, so that was.
He's kind of like an amphibian.
Yeah, aren't there species that don't like have sex?
There's just like the eggs and then they like come and fertilize the eggs.