Hasanabi and Will Neff join GothamChess to dissect chess's meteoric rise fueled by Queen's Gambit and pandemic isolation, contrasting their 388 million combined views with debates on AI weaponization versus harmonious coexistence. They navigate the degenerate allure of Magnus Carlsen's betting platform, Hasanabi's family vaccine anxieties, and the ethical tightrope of summarizing complex conflicts like the Israeli-Palestinian Nakba in 30-second clips. Amidst George Santos' heritage lies and corporate disillusionment, they promote GothamChess's upcoming October book while exposing traditional publishing's profit-stripping monopoly, ultimately questioning whether digital efficiency or human connection drives future cultural shifts. [Automatically generated summary]
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Queen's Gambit Growth00:08:04
But lately it's been kind of shitty because of the dog.
How long have you had the dog?
I've had her for like a week plus like three days.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
You said you had you have a dog.
Are we recording, by the way?
This is good.
This is good stuff.
This is how we podcast, baby.
I don't know if you're used to it, but we just go right into it.
That's how I used to do it.
Yeah, but I interviewed like Chess Grandmaster, so I had like 5,000 views.
Okay.
You don't have 5,000 views anymore.
You have a lot of views.
That is true.
How many views do you have?
Just like the number?
Just the number right now.
What do you think?
Honestly?
Yeah.
What do you think down to the fucking total view count right now?
What do you think it is?
Like down to the last.
On my main channel, 1,285,733,145.
What do you mean?
You go to YouTube.
Yeah.
You go to...com slash Gotham Chess.
You go to my man.
Gotham Chess is...
Yeah.
How do you not know this?
I don't know this either.
Hit that subscribe button real quick.
Yeah, hit that subscribe button.
Gotta subscribe later.
Now I'm subscribed to Gotham Chess now.
It's fun.
I mean, I should have done it a long time ago.
No, it's okay.
You gotta go to about...
I don't know why it's there.
What did I say?
285?
Fuck.
Bro, you are real close.
Wow.
I just knew 1.2.
I just assumed.
Look, I have no idea what my total views are.
It could be too much.
It could be.
No, no, no.
Hold on.
Before you look, go ahead.
It could be 200,000.
It could be 200 million.
It could be.
It's not 1 billion.
But you're not a YouTuber, right?
I mean, at the end of the day, you're a streamer mostly.
Those 388 million.
Not bad.
I am not a YouTuber.
I started...
I mean, I upload stuff to my YouTube now.
That's real weak, though.
Weak nuts, dude.
Fucking 388 million.
Got to get those numbers.
But I got to say, a lot of my numbers are shorts.
And also...
Oh, yeah.
And also.
I don't do any shorts.
Yeah, shorts are an interesting thing.
I mean, it's easy for chess because it's hot right now.
And also, like, it's much more fun to learn chess in terms of.
It's a fun statement.
Man, chess is hot right now.
Chess is so hot right now.
Did you ever think that you would say that?
No, no.
I'm sorry now.
Ah, dude, I was like 12 years old and I was also in fourth grade.
I have two separate stories where I was in school and my teachers found out I played chess.
And so I was like, oh, look at this golden nerdy boy who plays chess.
So when I got fourth place in nationals, I got a trophy that was the size of me, which you would think would incentivize kids.
And they asked me to bring it in, put it in the principal's office.
It was the most embarrassing experience, like top five of my life.
And I was made fun of.
You got no pussy for that.
Hey, chess is zero.
Yeah, that's like the reverse pussy.
Absolutely.
You're like, no, hide this shit, dog.
What are you doing?
Like, everyone knows I play chess all the time.
You are not exaggerating.
And now it's like all teenagers are playing it now.
Yeah, why do you think chess is hot right now?
I don't know the why.
That's the most fascinating.
Well, there's three reasons, right?
Like there's three booms.
There was Queen's Gambit.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Queen's Gambit made chess sexy.
The noises that came out of your mouth when you thought about Queen's Gambit.
Yeah, because I was trying to think of why chess is so hot right now.
She nailed it on the head.
Did you watch Queen's Gambit?
No, but it's always sexy.
It sounds like you were thinking of Anya Taylor Joy when you said, oh, yes, I was kind of thinking of having carnal knowledge of Anna Taylor Joy because the show is very sexy.
Yeah.
There's a lot of sex that goes on.
What is she doing?
She's just playing fucking chess.
No, it's like a love triangle, you fuck.
Oh, okay.
Wait, with who, though?
Who's the triangle?
The other two chess players.
The one who's like all heady and he like looks crunchy like he's in a jam band.
Oh, and then like the hardline chess bro.
Say more about the show thank you.
Dude, he's coming back now.
Yeah.
They beat him a lot as a kid.
So I mean, same.
He just retains like weird information.
But Queen's Gambit was a show that I watched with my girlfriend, kind of thinking, I was like, oh, fuck, Flavor of the Week Netflix show.
And I actually really enjoyed it.
Yeah, it was viewed by, I think, close to 100 million households, which didn't like chessboards sell out?
Yeah.
That's right.
That's crazy.
That's such a funny thing.
I mean, like, it was funny to, you know, I was just sitting around making my little videos, you know, how to play this opening, how to play that.
And that was when COVID happened.
So even COVID was a first push.
Like, we had pot champs.
What is a Queen's Gambit?
It's just an opening.
I mean, it's just like Queen's Pawn.
They mirror it and you like move your pawn.
Like, move two for white.
You can get into a Queen's Gambit.
Wow.
And so they named the show after it.
He's really bad at chess.
I'm even worse.
I don't even play.
That's actually one of the things I was excited for the most coming here.
Not your chess ability, but like I feel as though I have, you know, I've kind of grown a little bit as a streamer, as a YouTuber.
The whole time, obviously, throughout this process, I've known San.
I've seen you on the screen.
I just talked to Toast the other day, and I'm like, I've known about Toast since 2017 because my roommate used to watch a ton of Toast.
It's kind of like trippy for me to be sitting in front of people now.
I used to just kind of see this person on a screen and just assume like everybody else, they're just this digital entity.
And I don't know.
I feel as though you were one of the rare exceptions in the last few years.
You never got into a pod champ.
I never did.
They always, Hikara was always in my DMs trying to play chess.
And I was like, I'm good, dog.
You just like, you just don't have.
Just not it.
I know why I don't play chess.
Why don't you play chess?
My dad is graphics.
No, he's like, my dad's like a Mensa genius.
And he would just mollywap me in board games when I was a kid.
Put up like 10,000-point word scores and Scrabble.
I hate that.
Octupple jump me and checkers and just run the fucking trap in chess.
And I got beat so bad, I forgot the moves up until like a year ago.
And then I learned the moves again.
I know the knight does an L, right?
Oh, you mean like literally the characters?
Yeah.
Okay, I know that.
Do you?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
We have to bring a chessboard.
What have hell of the movie?
I don't even know the one-on-one.
Hit me.
What are the moves?
What do you want?
What are the moves on?
The castle, but I don't know the names of it because I learned it in Turgish.
Kale.
Yeah.
Castle.
So what would it be?
It's Rook.
It's like a castle.
So Castle, Rook, on the corners, they go only parallel.
They can go the entire distance.
Sure.
They go straight.
Pawns can only go double or one shirt front or they can eat by going diagonally.
Okay.
The Vizier.
What is that?
What would that one be?
You got to give me the direction.
The one that goes diagonally.
Yeah, Bishop, Bishop, Bishop.
The Bishop.
So we call it Vizier.
Oh, my God.
You learned in school or something?
No, you weren't here.
Yeah.
I played chess in Turkey a little bit.
Like when I first learned it, I learned it in Turkey.
So I don't like fully remember what the names are.
You know what I mean?
Whatever the fucking names are.
Because I never even looked at it in America.
I didn't even watch Queen's Gambit.
It's like anti-chess dog.
No, I'm not.
I mean, I respect it.
You know what I mean?
I feel like everybody dabbled in recent.
At some point, I was really worried.
And I never campaigned for any streamer to participate.
Like, that was my whole thing.
I'm sort of a, I'm born and raised in New York City.
Chess Cranks and Viziers00:15:36
So I sort of stay out of people's business.
Like, I'm very, I won't really do a whole lot of outreach.
Uh except, you know, I was coming here this week for five days.
I have like my i'm ending the week with a friend's wedding and I kind of felt like, if i'm here, may second, gotta do it like you know.
Yeah, get on uh, on the list on this.
So are you a New York sports fan at all?
Yeah next, of course, that win last night.
Don't you wish you came to the NICK I.
They didn't have Jimmy Butler and I feel like okay, you know, that's true.
I went to game one and I watched Jimmy.
You know Jimmy Butler, absolutely.
And and Kyle Lowry too.
Um I, what I did learn throughout this this was a I made this joke on a twitch stream, so i'm gonna bring it here too.
Uh, I learned that the closer you sit to the court and the more you pay per ticket, the better the fans behave around you.
So I uh my my, I.
I took uh, my wife and my in-laws.
They were visiting the Us and we went to game one versus the Calves and we sat in the second deck because we had four seats.
They're like 650 a pop.
Um, we sat next to these five mega frat bros, like Staten Island, New York.
Every fucking point they stood and like, my in-laws can't see the court, I can't see the court, I can like, do this and they're slapping each other like this, every point.
And they're on fantasy.
I think fantasy ruins sports.
I don't think that's a hot take.
Yes, it ruins sports.
I love that.
Moving into that okay, it's not even fantasy, it's gambling.
That's yeah, because usually fantasy is just like the legalized way of gambling.
Yeah, when you're doing any kind of like sports betting and I 100 i'm not even like I don't even have a big dog in this fight either, like I don't really watch a lot of sports a hard line rule to fantasy sports, don't do fantasy sports with a team you're a fan of, I don't.
I don't think anybody.
I let me say these dudes sitting around me did not follow that.
They were like every, every point.
Like yo, I got Mitchell Robinson four free throws.
Bro, let's go bitch like, shut up, just let him take the free throws like relax, they're doing like if he makes the first three point of the half, I win 10 bucks.
Yeah like yeah, when you're prop betting, you know you're in the five.
Oh yeah, you're in trouble, you're in the gutter prop betting for your own team.
That's dumb anyway, but that's what I mean.
Like all these fucking, all these leagues are now basically aligning with uh the the, the cash cow.
That is like Draft Kings and yeah, have we seen they're doing so much gambling any sports betting on chess yet?
Yeah, that's a big one.
Uh, that's been a big question the last couple years, like when are we gonna get?
Because you could do results of games.
Uh, you could do like what they open with uh well, actually Magnus, So like I mean, former world champ, he stepped away but he's kind of like the biggest competitive ambassador for the game.
He just launched something where you can bet on the utility of pieces.
So like X moves of the bishop in a game fantasy.
That is so prop betting on chess is the ultimate degenerate shit.
That is the most chess way of doing it.
It's not even like it's not even like how do you win?
It's like what percentage utility will either either character have that's so awesome.
You know, chess also got a wave of like these sponsors that were a bit controversial.
So Magnus was, you know, he was sponsored by Unibet.
I mean, obviously everybody knows Unibet.
He had a MasterCard sponsor.
He was like the first chess player to get these, you know, enormous sponsors, like Puma.
That's sick.
Because if you look at any world championship of chess, the sponsor list, nobody knows what any of the sponsors are.
I mean, you guys get like watches, right?
Don't you get like tag huer and stuff?
No, oh, that's just.
I mean, that's my bad.
So, no, no.
No, these guys are nerds, dog.
They're not doing Formula One.
What do you mean?
Exactly.
That was, I mean, but that's like literally what.
And what's the series Formula One puts out behind the scenes?
Oh, Drive to Survive.
Drive to Survive.
Yeah.
That series gets a lot of non-Formula One fans into it because there's drama.
I actually watched one of the snippets last night for the first time on my stream where a guy went through a guardrail at like 180 miles per hour and the car explodes in flame and you see him like trying to crawl through the guardrail and you're like, there's no way this human being lives.
But apparently like the way that they're designed now in their heat suits, he comes out and he's like 100% fine.
And it was one of the most mind-blowing clips I've ever watched.
That's fucking, that's sick.
Yes, chess will never have anything even like, how do you even?
What do you mean?
No, light, light?
Yeah, I mean, like, you know, they're going to finish the game, come out.
Like, the closest we got to raw, you know, controversial display of emotion, the world championship just ended.
Guy lost.
And in the background, you could see he was about to slam a thermos and then he didn't.
You don't have any fist fights in chess?
Well, we had chess boxing, but other than that, no.
I mean, we've had, you know, a couple dramas here and there, but nobody.
You'd be banned forever if you threw a punch, probably.
Good question.
I don't think so.
I think they ban you for like five years.
I don't think two years.
Two years.
Bro, the fucking real drama in the chess community is like every legendary chess guy ultimately becomes like a fucking crank.
Like, like...
I thought you were going to say crackhead, but I'll take crank.
No, like, 9-11 was an inside job.
Juice control the media type motherfuckers.
You know what I mean?
I was at a little event yesterday, like a little corporate thing, and some guy walked up and he was like, oh man, you're going to be the next Bobby Fisher?
I was like, I hope not.
That's no like to the normies, they're like, oh, yeah, that's like the chess guy, right?
But like, if you, you know, if you dig a little bit deeper, like, oh, no, what happened?
Yeah, it's a shame that our GOAT debate comes down to Kasparov, Carlson, Fisher, because I'm like, do like five minutes of reading on Fisher and you're like, how the, how is this man still considered like part of the GOAT?
It kind of, it makes sense, though, because like, you know, these guys have dedicated their whole fucking lives to chess, you know what I mean?
There's that saying.
And then you find out a computer can fucking own you a little bit.
Like, I'd be pissed off.
Yeah.
Especially that happened in their lifetimes, didn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
The first time a computer beat like the GOAT was 1997.
So they've been better than us since around that time.
They got robots that can shoot basketballs now.
Bro, it's not the same.
Every field has...
If they let that robot play in a game, he would smash.
No.
You just bleed him at half court.
How are you going to cover him?
You're going to put a player on him the entire...
Nah, dude.
Well, they're working on making robots have human mode.
Like, there's labs as we speak.
Yeah.
All they do all day is.
Disney Imagineers.
They made Spider-Man, dude.
Did they?
Oh, you haven't seen this?
Billy, Billy, pull this, pull this up.
Billy Rave Brains.
Yeah, they're.
This guy loves robots.
I'm a baby, bro.
I was on Lex Fridman.
His whole house is full of robots.
Yeah, that's why.
Wait, really?
Yeah, his whole house.
Yeah.
That was a robotic.
That was it.
That's it, right there.
So they made like a robot.
That's how it started.
They started.
I know this whole thing without words.
You can turn the volume off.
That's the brick that they started with.
That was a small robot that could basically tell where it was in relation to the ground while it was flying through the air.
That's the second generation.
I've never seen that.
That's the first bend.
And then boom, that's Spider-Man.
And they put him in a costume and he flies through the air at one of their theme parks.
Like, that's awesome.
Wait, that's not a human?
That's not a human.
That's a robot?
That's the Spider-Man bot.
And they put him in a costume and then they make him do tricks.
Oh, yeah, dude.
NBA is fucked.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
NBA is fucked.
I think there's obviously a little bit more subtle movements, but...
That thing is, it's a one-off.
It's just like, it hinges.
Yeah, that's really cool.
Hassan!
You are looking at the gift of Spider-Man flight and you're saying that's a one-off?
No, I mean, like, that...
Okay.
In order for artificial intelligence and robotics to get to the fucking level of like being able to defeat LeBron James in the same way that a computer can handily defeat a chess player, the best chess player on the planet, you have at least like, I would say, in the most, most liberal estimate, at least a good 15 years of.
I think you're wrong.
I think they could make it right now.
Boston Dynamics is the closest you can get to autonomous robots.
If you make a robot that doesn't move.
Are we talking one-on-one or five-on-five?
I'm going five on five.
No, I don't think so.
He's just saying, he's saying there's a robot that's like a shot cannon and they put it at half and it makes every single thing.
They have it.
Oh, I see.
Okay, but they pull him up.
Pull up the basketball robot.
I see what you mean.
His name is Basketbot.
There he is.
Why are you so knowledgeable on robotics?
It's so weird.
I like robots.
You really do?
I really do.
Every episode he brings like a new robot that's like very low.
Look at the form.
He's even got the flick in the background.
Look, you just load this motherfucker.
All right, let's see.
Anywhere on the court, bang.
Automatic.
It's automatic.
Well, wait, but what about when a guy's playing defense?
It's gonna.
That's what I'm saying.
How do you, okay, if you leave him at like mid-court.
Why am I leaving him, though?
Shooting threes.
Okay, dribbling up.
You're gonna dedicate a player to play.
Just stand on my robot too?
Fuck it.
No, but you're right.
Bang.
I would cook this, bro.
Bang.
I toss this robot's bitch ass up.
You don't even understand.
Look at his shoes.
Here's what I think.
I'm gonna fucking unplug his shit, dog.
What's he gonna do then?
Nothing.
That's true.
No, I was gonna say, I think there's fields where it won't matter that a robot is better than all human.
Yes.
It just won't matter.
We're still gonna play that, you know, we're still gonna play basketball.
We're still gonna do this stuff.
But some fields, it's an actual existential threat.
For the first time in my life, like the last four years, I've just thought about how to make board game content.
But I had like an existential conversation about Chat GPT.
That shit is a problem.
Like that's gonna put that, that has the potential to get, you know, run tens of thousands, if not hundreds, if not millions of people out of just grunt work jobs, paralegals, data science.
There's currently an ongoing strike that's happening with the Writers Guild of America.
Aren't you a fucking Writers Guild of America?
I'm in the Writers Guild of America.
Why don't you go fucking take it, dog?
I'm here.
Every other host bailed.
We have two other hosts.
That's true.
We do have two other hosts.
It's not about you, though, because one of them is sick and the other one doesn't live here.
I see.
Cutie?
Actually, neither of them live here.
Let's be real.
One of them lives basically in fucking Nevada.
The other one lives in Oregon.
Oh, that's true.
Yeah.
I see.
But yeah, there's a the Writers Guild of America is currently on strike.
I'm not the best Writers Guild now.
One of the reasons is literally that they went to the Motion Picture Association and said, we don't want you to have AI do rewrites on our scripts.
Because can you imagine?
You're like a fucking seasoned writer.
And then some studio executives like.
I ran this through Chat GPT.
And these are the rewrites.
Can I give you the real reason?
The rewrite thing, the reason that they're upset is less of the existential crisis and more that rewrites are something that a lot of WGA members have baked into their contracts.
Yeah, yeah.
And you will get like a successive payday from that.
Oh, for sure.
I'm just saying that like they're it for on the producer end, if in the hands of like business owners, we don't do any politics on this podcast, by the way.
This is the maximum amount of politics we're going to do.
But if left to the hands of the business owners, all technological improvements will always be utilized to improve efficiency.
What do I mean by that?
It's not actual efficiency in the same way that you and I understand it, right?
What I mean by efficiency is the business terms, like as in improve profit margins.
So that means they can get, you know, three guys' labor out of one guy if they have chat GPT.
And that's basically at the heart of this problem with respect to AI.
If the workers themselves controlled AI and they were utilizing it, then they could greatly improve their own workplace standard if they wanted to.
That's the main issue with AI.
I don't necessarily, I'm not anti-AI, but I do know for a fact that AI, just like any matter of technological improvements, will be used to kick workers off.
I just, I look at AI right now and I'm the Uber one with the oat milk, but do you want that one?
No, no.
Do you want that?
I thought it was yours.
You always get I get two for myself.
What?
No.
Do you want one?
AI is so interesting because like we are at the crest of a roller coaster and like what we're going to get out of AI is I think so beyond what we can fathom or different than we can fathom.
And the next like 10 years are going to be wild.
I decided after some careful consideration, I think I'm probably anti Chat GPT because I feel like we are fueling an all-knowing brain.
We are actually creating God and that's weird.
Do you think that maybe it's time for us to relinquish control and give it to something?
Yeah.
No, I don't think so.
I think era of man has sucked.
I think we, by and large, suck.
That's a good point.
You've proven that we're terrible.
Yeah.
And you know, like, ultimately, you know, a few outliers who are good, like myself, don't justify human race being in control anymore, man.
Let's pass it off, right, to our robot overlords, right?
Hassan?
Listen, Aaron Jaeger did nothing wrong.
Dude, you're crazy.
Okay.
Do I think AI is like going to take over mankind?
Probably not.
I think that the same scumbag human beings that have all the power and control right now will weaponize AI to control mankind.
Yeah, that's probably true.
That's what I think.
What do you mean?
What if they didn't?
But I'm just saying, like, what if Skynet becomes self-aware?
Oh, I mean, I don't know.
I think it would be interesting.
Would you be that upset if robots took over humanity?
Because I like enjoying things.
You know what I mean.
And I feel like robots would be like no dude, you can't.
But what if robots?
Robots give you like a perfect cat, like Communism Utopia, where they're like, we're gonna do everything, you live in your box, we'll give you a tv and the internet and that's all you get.
We've tasted freedom right, that does sound great, but i'll say it like this, yeah, robots are rational.
When I think about robots, or like they're they, they have like a built-in logical system to operate off of right.
When I think of robots, I think of my grandfather.
My grandfather is an engineer okay, doesn't do it anymore, but he has an engineer's brain.
And I don't even mean like Murat, Murat has an engineer's brain.
My brother, he builds satellite spaceships for Boeing.
Um, my grandfather is is a very stern man.
He was always a very stern man.
Robot Grandfather Stories00:12:43
The way I describe it is like we'd be driving down to go and and get food at a restaurant and we'd pass a restaurant closer to the house to go to a different restaurant because we want, let's say, burgers that night.
He would point to that restaurant and go, what do you mean?
There's a restaurant right here.
This, this is like closer to the house.
Why don't we go to this restaurant?
What I mean by that is, for him, it was like food is sustenance.
We, we need to maximize efficiency.
Why aren't we going to the restaurant that's like right next to the house?
Yeah, why are we going to a restaurant that's even further away?
I fear that a world run by code would basically resemble that, and humans are imperfect.
That's what makes us all right here's.
Here's what I say hypothetical.
What if robots created utopia for us?
Right, you can do anything you want.
The only rule is, you can't reproduce.
What can I?
Still, though?
No because oh, what the no, I don't.
You could a robot, you just, you just can't reproduce.
You, you can't.
No no, I know I.
So guess what?
You're a jaegerist, I just got you.
Oh, you'd revolt against the robots, wouldn't you?
Oh, my god.
Oh, I sprayed the trap the entire time okay, but it's, it's the tools of how you fight that.
Oh yeah, you'd be peaceful, fighting against the robot overlords.
We're leaving our, our guest out.
No, I was, I was, I was like ready to get in there with a joke.
You asked me before we went live if i've watched any attack on titan.
Yeah, I watched about one and a half seasons, so i'm very out of loop, but I I uh, I told Will my, my friend spoiled it for me by telling me everything about the manga.
So okay well, I don't know what is gonna happen.
I haven't I.
Yeah, I don't know.
Is it over?
I think there's one season, there's half season, it's the.
It's the last last season, part three.
So what happened?
Is it's really good ip, so it, it slapped, so they decided that like, the last season will be like eight seasons.
Yeah, they have literally been milking this last season for like five seasons over a year now yeah, over a year.
They keep saying.
They keep saying last season, part one, the finale of the last season, part two, like they, they just keep extending it.
What?
I feel like, is it an American-based, uh, it's not an American-based studio, right?
That's probably why.
I feel like if here you said final, you can get, like, sued or something.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
You said final three times.
I'm going to file a lawsuit.
Come handle damage.
I think the Japanese people are playing along because they like it.
Yeah.
They like the anime.
What shit do you nerd for other than chess?
Oh, that's a good question.
It's funny.
I don't consume a huge amount of content.
I mean, okay, I am a complete nerd about this one skill that I developed when I was a kid.
I can basically walk by any car and tell you what car it is just on its taillight.
This is my special.
Yeah, like for the most part.
Billy Ravebrains, I need you to covertly pull up the back of a car and put it on that.
All right, let's, you know, don't make it like a Renault or a crazy.
If you try to, uh, we're gonna try and stop.
Wait, did you also, okay, did you also think as a kid that like cars have faces?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, okay.
I feel like you don't know, you don't feel this way.
You don't know this?
Yeah, all cars have faces.
All cars have faces.
Yeah.
Oh, thank God.
Now I got someone who's when I was a kid, I would look at cars and be like, oh, that's a sad car.
That's a happy car.
Yeah.
All cars have faces.
Yeah, every car has like a face.
Every car has a face.
Maybe after we do this quiz, we'll do the front of these cars.
And you'll be like, oh, you see what I'm talking about?
Like, some cars look intense.
So you were doing Pixar cars before Pixar cars.
I have always looked at cars and thought, it's so odd that every car has a face and no one is like saying anything about it.
That's fascinating.
You just like unlocked experience.
You unlocked a core memory in my brain just now.
Yeah, the other stuff I don't really nerd out for much.
Like I can't really, because I do content all the time, I'll throw on like a Twitch stream for background noise.
But I mean, I'm into like basketball, MMA.
I've watched mixed martial arts for, I don't know, 15 years.
So you're a sport guy and you're a car guy.
Yeah.
What's your daily driver?
What does that mean?
What do you drive?
I'm in New York.
We don't have cars in New York.
You're a car guy and you don't have a car.
I mean, there's no driveway.
That's true.
No, it's a listen.
I love driving.
When I come out to LA, I really enjoy it, except when there's traffic.
What do you rent when you come out here?
This is my first time renting a car here, so it's very unimpressive.
What did you rent?
It's got a compact enterprise Kia Soul.
Oh, I got what are you doing?
Well, I didn't know what else to do.
We gotta give you advice.
Fear N takes Gotham Chess to the track.
Let's take you to a racetrack and let you drive some guns.
My wife is getting me like a birthday present where I can drive a Ferrari around the racetrack.
That's awesome.
She already, yeah, we're close.
My birthday's in December, though, so I got time.
Subaru.
Or...
No.
It's not a Subaru?
I don't think so, but I've fucking...
But I don't have the skill.
You do.
Got the gift.
I think it's a Subaru.
Oh.
Okay, his gift is gone.
You didn't even show it.
March?
You didn't even show it on Super Super Super Suppose.
Give me five.
I'll either redeem myself or...
That one was tricky.
Yeah, pull up a Subaru headlight.
Pull up a Subaru headlight.
You'll see.
Pull up like a Subaru Legacy taillight.
Yeah, taillight.
Subaru legacy taillight.
See, I'm not crazy.
Yeah, I am crazy.
Yeah, like the one on the left.
That's the Camry, dog.
Or wait.
Oh, on the left there.
No, no, no.
You see, it's like, it's very close.
Show it on camera.
You like how I knew it was a legacy too?
That's actually very close.
Wait.
That one looks like a Camry too, though.
Doesn't it?
The 2015-2019 Subaru Legacy taillight.
Taillight alone?
Doesn't that kind of look like a Camry from the back?
Am I crazy?
All right, let's see Camry from the back.
Tota Camry.
I don't know.
I mean, I have a Toyota Camry and I might be wrong on this.
I have no dog in this fight.
You know what I was expecting you to say when I asked you if you nerded on anything else?
Old.
Older.
Oh, Gotham chess.
Yeah, but I didn't name myself that because of Batman.
You're fucking kidding me.
I named myself that because I'm in New York and it turns out Gotham is based on Chicago.
I was like, oh, well, you know, what do I?
Also, you got to remember, I had like, I didn't even have a YouTube page.
I just had a Twitch stream.
I never even thought this was going to be my career.
So in hindsight, I would have named myself something different, probably.
Yeah.
And a hat and chess.
No, just, I don't, I would have even just been me.
But now when people recognize me.
Yeah, no, they're like, yo, Gotham.
Like, people don't know my name.
It's very funny.
Gotham is a sick thing to be called, though, man.
Until they sue me, but hopefully not.
I have like...
Don't worry.
It's not a Nintendo product.
Yes.
So many companies use Gotham.
Like even the Jets, the New York Jets who I'm a huge fan of, they call themselves Gotham City Football Club a lot.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
Also, you guys have Rogers now, right?
Is that done?
That's done.
Officially.
That's done.
He was at the camera.
Hear that?
Hear that?
Have you burned your vax card yet?
He burned his vax card.
Well, I'm a Jets fan, so Solidarity.
He burned his Vax card?
Well, he's inoculated.
He converted to Islam.
He reverted to Islam when the Jets coach was.
Yeah.
I didn't, well, I didn't, I didn't.
He's a big stand.
The only reason I haven't, but it looks like my card survived like a nuclear.
I mean, it's like all.
I don't even know how people still use vaccines.
It's bad.
I'm not going to like, I'm not going to name any names, but in the last even six months, like it's 2023, I've been asked if I can show proof of the third vax and if I can bring my vax card to get into a building of like 5,000 people.
Brother, you need to get it on your Apple.
Like, you need to get it on your Apple wallet.
That's what I have.
No, but like, why do we even show this stuff anymore?
Like, no one's wearing a mask anywhere.
Like, what are they doing?
There's buildings in New York that won't let you in unless you show three vaccines.
I did not know that, but I mean, I do it for travel, right?
Like, because if you go to Japan, you need to make sure that you have had your third inoculation and like all that stuff.
It's super simple if you have it on your Apple ID.
That's what I have.
I don't know where the fuck my vax card is.
I don't, I think I had it when I first got my vaccine, and then that's it.
I like lost it.
No, no, I recently to go into like a studio to record the thing.
They wanted me to upload a photo of my card.
And I just, it is pretty funny, though, because at this point, like, like, this isn't, it's, like, weird to admit this, but you know, the, the, people fucking died already.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's true.
You either had COVID or you got vaccinated and then got COVID.
So you're like omega protected.
You know what I mean?
And at that point, like, the fatality rate basically resembles like the common cold.
You know what I mean?
If you are in some ways in the words of Aaron Rodgers, in some way immunized.
The normal person me thinks what you're saying is disgusting, but the Aaron Rodgers fan in me.
Staff that shit up, bro.
What I'm talking about is like, welcome to the gym.
I'll tell you, like my grandparents, right?
They're in their 70s.
They got vaccinated when it first came out, April 2021.
They like made the whole thing.
They pushed for the whole family to do it.
And they're Republican.
Like, I know when I get into ball, like, they're Republican.
They fully believe the science.
They're both like Soviet Union physicists.
So they got the two shots.
They even got the third shot.
And then at some point, late 2022, like, they're like, what, what the fuck is this?
Like, we're not getting a fourth.
We're not getting a fifth.
We want COVID at this point.
Yeah, we're done with that.
And they started traveling.
Have they dodged it completely or did they get COVID?
They've been sick here and there.
I don't know.
I mean, the truth is because my grandparents were super careful.
They got COVID and they survived it.
And my grandfather's like, really, I mean, he's the oldest fan.
Dude, that was my experience.
My dad's in his 90s.
Okay.
And during like the early days of COVID, I was so diligent about everything.
Oh, dude, me too.
Like, I was, yeah, meticulous.
My dad got COVID and the motherfucker didn't even, like, he would walk through it.
He's like, I feel fun.
You got vaccinated, though, right?
I'm a little congested.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
I'm a little congested.
But I'm sure it helped.
Like, I'm sure it helped.
Oh, I think so.
100%.
I think it's the one part where I'm like, dude.
No, I'm just saying my fear.
of COVID changed.
Yeah, like dude, my wife and I would go out like only 9 p.m., fully masked to the store.
Yeah, come back, wash hands and shit, like get under the nails and shit.
Did you ever do the fucking washing your groceries thing?
What do you mean?
Okay.
Some people would like to.
So wipe down.
When it first came out, when all of this was first coming out, there's a lot of junk science out there.
A lot of people were like trying to fucking make a living for themselves by being like overprotective of what to do.
At one point, they were saying COVID germs were like green beret.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
They could live on a surface for 18 hours.
Yeah, the fomide, which by the way, we now know is like not even the case.
But everyone was like, oh, it's fomite.
It's fomide.
Like you can't contact.
Like you can get it off of a surface, whatever.
And it's just like aerosol is what we now know.
You know what I mean?
It's all fucking breathing.
But because of that, they were like, you got to wash your groceries.
You got to wash your postmates.
I literally, when I saw that, I was like, nah, I'll die.
Wow.
I was like, nah.
Nah, you're bringing up, you're bringing up, oh my God, not a core memory.
I remember my grandma being like, don't get cans.
Don't get canned soda.
They're saying on Yahoo News that canned soda got COVID around the thing.
And if you pull it, and I was like, grandma, if I get COVID like that, I fucking deserve it.
Like, I don't know what to tell you.
He uses the carbonation.
Like, you don't even know everybody was so scared.
I'm dead.
Kill me.
So I think, I think like 90% of people were just like my grandparents.
Like, oh my God, we got to be super diligent.
And then like a year and a half goes by, you're like.
I was there.
We were living in LA.
LA was we cracked down the hardest.
Yeah, I try and tell you.
Curfews.
The cities.
If you were in a city, COVID was different from City.
My experience in Los Angeles proper versus my parents' experience in like Pinehurst, North Carolina were totally different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is funny, though, because like all the people that don't live in cities were constantly talking about how locked down they are.
Content vs Real Life00:13:43
I'm like, bro, you never had anything.
Yeah.
Like, you're in Alabama, dog.
You don't even have neighbors.
What are you talking about?
We had to move our tea time.
They got like noise curfews.
You know, you can't fly planes over certain small towns.
I just learned this recently.
Like 5 p.m., no planes.
He was trying to fly a plane over a small town.
It was a wild time.
Yeah, I look back.
Like, you could walk in New York City and there was just nothing.
It was kind of cool.
It was in a weird way.
Like, LA was so fucking empty.
You know what?
I'm going to give you a free content idea.
I don't know why this just came to me.
You should play chess against someone in the back of a race car.
Okay.
That'd be so hype.
I want to do a series where I play devices.
Like, I want to play a Tesla.
I played an airplane.
I beat the airplane.
What do you mean you played an airplane?
Like, like, every, so what they do now is they make like a gadget.
I mean, in this case, a plane.
And they, you know, they put like a chess bot into it to play.
It's not exactly the plane.
Like, beingat the plane?
I beat the plane, but I played a treadmill once and it fucked me up.
Like, I was on a treadmill at a chess tournament in Texas and I was bored and I was like jogging and I was like in my cooldown, I'm like, oh, it's got chess.
Cool.
Let me play this stupid.
And like it kicked my ass.
Did you film that?
Did you play the hardest difficulty or was it just cracked?
I don't even know.
This I don't remember.
I just remember I played this fucking treadmill and it was like murder.
I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
Like this is ridiculous.
That is incredible.
So like you could probably play a fridge now.
You could play like a toaster.
I mean, you could like MacBook?
I'll lose all my time.
I like that as a concept.
Yeah.
I wonder who the best chess gadget is.
It's got to be that treadmill.
Well, it's probably whichever computer has the, you know.
You don't believe that there's any like, you know, fighting spirit.
Maybe it's just got chops.
No, one is just like automatically destroys everyone.
The one, the, the, the chess bot that we're talking about.
Oh, is there any way that we can have that treadmill play against deep blue?
Like the chess.
I don't know if they were like retired deep blue or but yeah, at the end of the day, it's all just God.
I would love to watch robots fight different chess bots.
You love robots, bro.
It's weird.
I like battle bots.
I like when they just have to share it with each other.
That's pretty cool.
I feel like I should come back.
See, that's why I'm like not afraid of the robotic uprising.
Those battle bots are bitch asses, dude.
What?
I'd fucking kick one.
Hassan.
A battle bot would fuck you up beyond all record.
You're out of your mind.
What are you talking?
They have rotating saw blades.
Yeah, what do you do?
Give me a sledgehammer.
Oh, stop.
One, like, Zvihanda.
One Zvaihanda.
Yeah.
You're going to Zvayhand though.
If you miss, you got to hit it.
Whatever, dude.
I'll fucking run away.
And you're talking about like the pro sumer models.
Have you ever seen any of like the American gladiator bots that they had to like defend the dome?
Well, like American military probably has some crazy ass shit, right?
Like that's pay some big taxes here.
Boston Dynamics has basically Boston Dynamics is at the cutting edge of this.
Okay.
They did the dog, then they immediately put weapons on the dog, by the way.
Not Boston Dynamics, but like someone else was like, oh, great idea.
Let's put a fucking gun on it.
You know, I just realized what?
You're anti-bot.
I fuck up a bot.
You're anti-bot.
I just realized this.
Part of your obsession with my fascination with robots is that you're on the other side of the fence.
Maybe it's because my brother fucking built like both battle bots and just robots in general his whole goddamn life.
And I just have a distaste for it.
That's crazy.
How do you feel about bots?
I don't mind bots.
I mean, I don't.
You're neutral.
I just don't.
Yeah, I just choose not to care too much.
He said neutrality.
You guys connected about fucking car faces and I can't get anybody to get into robots with me.
Well, let me explain.
In chess, in chess, bots have been better than humans for 25 years.
We just live in harmony with them.
Like they help us get better at chess.
We don't give a shit that they're better than us.
They don't threaten us in any way.
In fact, I farm bots for content constantly.
Like we just finished this thing called T-Sec, which is like computer chess championship.
Like the two best bots in the world played.
So I just, I use that for a YouTube video.
Everybody has a good laugh because nobody understands bot games.
They're fucking like, you know, supernatural level and they see 20 moves ahead and they make some ridiculous move and you're like, what?
And then 20 moves later, it shows you the point.
So in chess, we will live in harmony with our AI overlords.
I want to bring this up.
This is not necessarily about robots, but this is about your content.
Okay.
Part of the reason why I was like, oh, Gotham Chess, like, let's have him on the show.
Let's have him on the podcast.
It's because I'm an old man.
Okay.
And as an old man, I do market research just like all these like marketing executives do by talking to my younger relatives.
And I always check in with Pro Jenks' son, my cousin.
Like 14 now.
I always check in with him.
I'm like, who are you watching?
He likes to play Madden, which I think is, you know, that's shitty.
What's wrong with Madden?
Dude, Madden sucks.
I want him to play, like I bought him fucking Breath Of The Wild and a Nintendo Switch and like Amiibos or whatever the fuck they're called, and like so many like sick ass things to like get him excited about, like playing like a massive, real RPG game.
And he was just like, nah, I like Madden, He's a jock, he's like a gamer jock.
What else does he like besides Madden anyway?
But the point I was waiting for, the plot twist.
Yeah, the plot twist is back in the day, when he was a little bit younger, he was like Mr. Beast, Mr. Beast, I watch Mr. Beast the whole time.
He still does obviously, Mr. Beast for the whole family, but out of nowhere apparently, he likes playing chess a lot and I was like wow you you, you play chess.
Like what's, what's going on with that?
Um, and so I asked him, who do you watch?
And he said Gotham Chess.
He watches a lot of your videos.
And he's 14 years old.
I mean that's like you know, those little shits are the the, the backbone of the ALGO.
Well, they're bigger than me.
They're not bigger than you probably, but physically, like I have a 16 year old brother, he's 6'1 ⁇.
Well really yeah no, 14 year old.
I mean pro is is tiny, but for now, for now.
But my point is, you know chess is popping off and you've played a big role in that on online, from what I understand.
I mean you're, you're one of the largest, if not the largest, chess content creator by far.
Yeah, but some respect.
I mean come on yeah no no no, I mean I'm just saying I don't want to, I don't want to like, you know, content creator, not content, not competitor.
Like I'm not gonna.
You know, mix crosswise like Hikaru Magnus, like they're, they play chess for real, for real.
Yeah, I can't play, I'm well, I'm kind of Chong.
Got beat by Treadmill yeah, although in my defense, it would have him up too, probably.
But uh uh yeah, I mean I could tell you a bit more about like, did he get into chess recently?
Uh yeah like uh, like a year ago, a year ago yeah, I think so.
December 2022, January 2023.
It took me 18 months to go from one to two million on YouTube.
It took me 40 days to go to three million.
What?
In the month of January, my YouTube channel had 300 million views.
That's crazy.
And if you combine tick tock and instagram, it was all shorts, like it was literally just yo, here's how to win a chess game in six moves.
Here's like this trick, here's this concept, here's this and um, I never thought much of short form content because it's like you can't monetize.
Like what am I doing?
Why am I screaming into a camera like chopping it up?
Um, and then finally I just like sat my ass down and I realized I can write 10 scripts, by the way, you can.
Okay, it might not be like of interest, but you can summarize a lot of the streams of world news in 30 seconds.
Those tick tocks are fucking fire.
I get them from these random people.
They start with, like you know, powerful hook, like you gotta like pay attention to what's.
Going on today between us and China.
I'm like, oh yeah, I do.
And then they tell me everything in 20 seconds.
I'm like damn, that's bad or that's good.
Can you summarize um, the Israeli Palestinian situation in 30 seconds?
We'll just do a little.
We'll just do a little sample.
Go ahead 30 seconds.
Hey, Billy Ray Brain's popa clock.
There's no shot I can do.
Billy Ray Brains, popa clock.
We're not.
We're gonna put this on the internet as a short.
That's the problem.
The problem is like I can't do and go.
Uh, in 1948, a concept called the Nakba happened, where a lot of Palestinians were forcibly removed or evacuated from their homes, and this uh created a sequence of events that led to the Israeli state being successfully 15 seconds launched.
Uh nowadays uh, it's what do you mean?
It's apartheid.
10 seconds like what?
Stop eight, we're gonna.
Okay, i'm done.
You got a lot of history to get through.
Come on, got the strip, got the strip, got the strip.
No I, I would have to, I would have to script it out.
I would have to script it out.
Yeah, you have to script it.
And also on top of that, also on top of that you, you gave me nowadays, No, you, you, you gave me the worst one.
That's the best piece of content we've ever made.
You gave me the worst one.
I can't, I can't describe it in the middle.
Put that on the internet.
But, okay, with slightly, you know, less hot.
Dude, that issue spills over to chess.
Like, you know, I get a message in the chat in my Twitch chat, like, yo, Levy, you know, much love.
Watching you from Israel for two years now.
Yeah.
That person writes that for the next two minutes in Twitch, they just get like free Palestine.
Fuck you.
Like, it's crazy.
And chess, chess is not immune to that stuff either, man.
Like, I get a lot of that.
So I get a lot of the weird stuff too because I'm, I'm, you know, I say I'm Jewish.
Like, my family's no Soviet Union.
You know who else said that?
George Santos, but no, no politics.
All right, go on.
Did he actually say that?
He did.
George Santos lied about being Jewish and also being a...
I'm 100%.
Like my 23andMe will be like, Jew.
All right, pull it up.
You know what I'm talking about, though?
No, I have no idea.
George Santos is a New York Republican who actually unseated a Democrat, like the third most important Democrat.
He's like a fundraising Democrat in the party.
And he lied about like, one, being Ukrainian.
He lied about like his grandparents being Holocaust victims, Holocaust survivors.
He lied about his name.
Like he was a massive comment.
It was a big meme.
But also, he literally said he was Jewish.
And then when all of this came out, that he was lying about everything.
He's still in office, by the way.
Of course he is.
American politics is awesome.
Did you see the video of the guy?
He said, oh, I never said I'm Jewish.
I'm Jewish.
Oh, fuck.
Damn.
I've been saying this for like my, but I'm actually, you know, both parents.
I had a bar mitzvah.
I mean, I would hope I'm Jewish.
They put me through some shit.
I had to sit there and learn all the baruchat anyway.
Mael, Mael.
Yep, yep, yep.
No, but yeah, back to like, there's obviously easier top talking points you can make 30-second content about.
And that shit works.
Like, it's easy.
You put it on three platforms and you get impressions and people like get into it.
That's what happened with chess.
I used to get my editors to like chop up shit from my streams, but it's probably much better if you like write it.
If you write it.
I write it, but you also have to understand, like, I work Monday through Sunday, probably about 10 hours a day, and it's only on my content.
So I know every video we post.
My TikTok guy brings me a TikTok and I'm like, no, put this in the front, chop up these three, like every day.
Yeah.
And no, same.
So like it's.
I mean, I stream 10 hours a day.
No, but I imagine like after you stream, you can't possibly also like fix five seconds in a tick.
Like someone's going to have to make that easier for you.
I don't stream, which makes it a lot easier.
I get so tired after streaming and I just, it's my last priority.
So I, you know, I focus on YouTube.
I, you know, some of the scripted stuff.
It, it really works.
That's why he got into it probably.
And once you get into it, you got like two friends who get into it.
That's all you need because you're going to be like the alpha.
You're going to beat it.
Although I think that theory has been disproven, but you're going to beat your friends at chess.
You're going to be like the smart one in the group.
Now everyone's playing chess.
Like teachers are complaining.
Kids are playing chess in school and not doing work.
Fuck, that's crazy.
I want to put that forward to you.
You're the greatest mind in chess now, or at least the most consumed.
Just content.
Content.
Definitely not the best player.
The most consumed.
Chess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, for sure.
Yeah.
That for sure.
Why chess?
Why is it so immortal?
Why not checkers?
Pieces move the same.
But why is chess so immortal?
Why is it so timeless?
Why does it have this universal appeal?
See, I don't know if it's always been there or we made it in the last like three, four years.
Because I think if you go back to like, let's say 2005, okay, most people learned chess when they were young, just in school, somewhere.
It's in some cultures.
It's just something that you do.
But the truth is, like, as you get older, sports, other more useful academics, like the fact that if you ever wanted to paint a picture of a nerd in a movie, like they play chess.
What the fuck else do they play?
There's no other game.
I mean, like, they play chess.
They're like this weirdo, you know, they spend, you know, the chessboard and everything.
And I, I gotta.
Something bomb's going off.
The fuck was that?
Jesus.
Anyway.
You might have been the stopwatch or something.
Yeah, I think that's what it was.
Puppy Utility Guy00:10:34
Look, before I was doing any of this, like, I graduated 2017.
I had a stats degree.
I was going to teach a little chess in New York, private lessons, and go be a, I don't know, consultant.
Like, I leveraged the connections I made teaching private school kids to get like an interview at Barclays and an interview at Deloitte.
Like, I never could feel like I was part of that world.
I was constantly coming up short on interviews.
I couldn't do all this like bullshit, you know, like name your biggest weaknesses, blah, blah, blah.
You do all these interview scripts in college.
What's your biggest weakness?
Oh, for fuck's sake.
Pull up the 30-second timer.
No, I'm God, in life or in chess?
That's a good, it's a good question.
I think I'm, I have a massive case of overthinking and anxiety.
I put thoughts into people's heads.
So I will stop short of, you know, trying to push for opportunities for myself because I'm like, I think they have some perception of me already.
Or meanwhile, like, that's just completely untrue.
Or if I'm going to start talking about something to a room of people, I'm like, ah, they don't care.
What was the anxiety you had before approaching us or coming here?
Approaching you guys?
I think it was a little bit like we don't know each other at all.
Like, I know Ludwig.
Like, I'm going to go in the yard.
I've sat next to him chess boxing.
Like, we've, you know, we've talked a little bit.
Yeah.
That guy sucks.
Yeah, we hate that guy.
All right.
Yeah, fuck him.
I'm a piece of shit.
I'll talk some shit.
I mean, that dude doesn't respond to my DMs.
It's ridiculous.
Let's go.
Unless you have business opportunity, he will be on.
Yeah, but if he needs you.
Yeah.
Dude, I was like his best performing YouTube collab in like three months.
I'm like, yo, you want to do another board game collab?
He's like, yep.
Air him out.
That's it.
That's all that happened.
Dude, answer my DMs.
I don't know which camera I'm supposed to.
Sorry, I'll see him in a couple days.
He's the worst.
He's the worst.
Read him to Phil.
No, reaching out to you guys.
I was like, we don't know each other.
So I just never know.
Like, we have to spend 90 minutes in a room.
Is it going to go well?
And I know you're not like the biggest, you don't have the biggest interest in chess.
Yeah, but I never shut the fuck up.
I love talking.
See, there you go.
See, and it's going great.
I think it's going great, right?
Like, but I don't know.
We want to find out.
Don't get anxious.
You're a New York sports fan.
You get a pass from me.
Yeah.
Just like as a guy.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
Like, that's, like I said, though, I just don't get into business too.
Like, if I don't get invited, I'm not going to overstab.
I don't want to.
Plus, we're here at 9 a.m.
I kind of feel bad.
I know.
This is awesome.
You're fun.
No, I wake up early.
It's just like there's a lot of disease in this house currently, and I'm a puppy dad.
So it's like, fuck my shit up a little bit.
You have a puppy or had a puppy.
He's one now, yeah.
He's officially out of the puppy era.
You pull up Gotham Doodle on Instagram.
Oh.
But let's talk about that.
He doesn't really have an Instagram page, but we...
No, no, no, I'm saying like he has like five, ten photos on there.
It's not like a black charcoal labradoodle?
Burn a doodle.
So he's 25% Bernice and 75% poodle.
And you know what the weird thing about being a content creator is?
It's Gotham Doodle.
Like his Instagram page is just Gotham Doodle.
I don't know if you feel this way.
I felt weird getting a dog that clearly is a genetic experiment because I have horrible like allergies to animals.
All dogs are technically like that, though.
No, no, but you know, it's like, oh, you didn't rescue one?
Yeah.
Oh, you spend money on a dog, you fucking piece of shit.
Yeah.
But luckily, somehow chess avoids this type of stuff, man.
Well, you don't get, yeah, you don't get canceled for dumb shit.
I actually did.
I didn't give a shit about what my dog's breed was.
I just wanted a big dog.
And lucky for me, big dogs are, you know, not exactly easy to take care of.
So a lot of families will get one.
I basically stole mine from a little girl.
No.
From a family that's a family that got this puppy thinking, like, you know, oh, thinking that they were going to be fine to take care of a dog that's going to be like 150 pounds.
That was when.
Fucking cute.
Yeah, that was when he was like your dog's age, like all the way at the bottom.
But now he's.
Fucking cute dog.
He's the prettiest burna doodle I've ever seen.
Like we've seen burna doodles that don't make any sense.
Like their face is white.
They're bottom noses.
That's what I've heard.
I've heard that like poodle breeds are like very, it's like very hit or miss.
But he's like gorgeous.
Like he has the perfect color.
I don't know how lucky we got with this with this doofus, but he's great.
He knows like 20 commands.
Like sit, paw, up, off, voice, go to mommy.
Like, yeah, he knows like go, go upstairs, go downstairs.
Hush.
Like, we, we talked about.
How are you going to start beating you in chess?
That's a real question.
I mean, dude, we, we, like, yeah, my wife's like, we got to like record footage, like you playing him or, um, yeah, that stuff always does pretty well.
He was awful.
I mean, to raise him was the worst experience of my life.
He was awful at chess.
No, yeah, fucking.
He didn't even know the rules, like, idiot.
No, he's.
Dude, I remember that.
Yeah, I was complaining a lot.
And people in my Twitch show were like, why the fuck did you get a dog?
You're like such an asshole.
And I'm like, dude, I sleep three hours a night.
Like he shits on the floor every night.
I mean, every night, like twice a day.
He'll just shit all over the floor.
There was a day I had him in.
We never created him.
We had a pen, so we would isolate him.
That's why you fucking had some issues, dude.
You got to do some crazy.
Probably.
But we just kind of felt like it was, I don't know, it was brutal on him.
But we've penned him in an area the size of a crate.
He would wake up, shit, and fall asleep next to like.
Yeah.
That's why you got to crate him.
So it's like, like literally knows that like that is the area that he sleeps in and only has like the area to sleep in.
But like I had a pit bull.
I crate trained him.
And he, you know, in his more in his more like stubborn days would sometimes even shit in his crate.
You know what I mean?
You just and sleep in the shit.
Sometimes dogs do that.
Yeah.
Yep.
And it's not even, it's not even always like, oh, he had to go.
And that's why.
The thing I have, the issue I have right now with Kaya is, and she's like, she's a mutt.
I haven't gotten the DNA test results back yet, but, you know, she's like part Tibetan mastiff, very stubborn breed, unfortunately, and very independent, very smart, but incredibly stubborn.
Goes outside, doesn't fucking poop.
Yep.
Was fine the first couple of days, was pooping outside.
I was like, oh my God, this dog's brilliant.
Like, it's going to be so easy.
It's going to be a breeze.
Now goes outside, plays, comes inside, takes the shit inside the house, looking right at me.
I'm like, what are you doing?
You know, this is wrong.
This is immoral.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And she's just like, yeah, fuck you.
What are you going to do about it, bitch?
Pick up my shit right now.
Dude, I live Farley potty trained in like two weeks.
Yeah.
It's very hit or miss.
Some dogs are just like that.
He's a little dickhead, but he's super smart.
Yeah.
Our dog is super smart.
I just, I don't know if he was an idiot the first like eight months of his life or if he was pretending, but dude, yeah, I mean, he did a lot of the same stuff.
And I mean, basically, my wife went away for a month back home and I was raising this bozo, like just me and him.
Oh, that's the hardest.
Yeah, I was like, yo, like, we're beefing.
Like, you are like the tenant I can't evict.
I mean, he would follow me around the house.
I would be doing something.
He would get his paws, like, onto a surface that's not the floor.
Yeah.
Piss.
Like, because he thought it was a pee pad.
So anything I had on the ground, he would just go, and he's just pissing me.
I was like, yo, I'm bad.
I'm just leave, man.
I'm just leaving food.
Like, I'm gone.
This is.
Dude, I know.
I know exactly that feeling.
Yeah.
It's just you, this like blood-boiling rage that you find yourself in because you're like, I'm trying so fucking hard right now to like, to like fix this problem.
Yep.
And you are just so uncooperative.
You fucking shit.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
Now, now, now he's much, he's adorable.
I mean, every guest.
Like, he's the friendliest dog I've probably ever seen in my life.
He's great now.
That's the best.
My grandparents now, every day I'm like, dog pigs.
Yeah.
Dog pigs.
They're like, what about you?
Send a photo of you and Lucy.
I'm like, all right, here, dog pigs.
Now, dogs like that.
He gives you trading photos.
Yeah.
I like that.
My grandparents are not very fond of dogs.
I'm surprised that your grandparents from the old world are lived with dogs.
They weren't.
And they didn't know if they were going to like him.
They were very scared.
They didn't want to babysit for a prolonged period of time.
But he grows on everybody.
Like he grew on my in-laws too.
They were like, oh, he's like too hyper.
Three, four days.
Like they left.
They're like, how's Benji?
How's he doing?
That's how it is for my family.
Like, when I first got my first dog, who passed away fish, he's a pit bull.
Everyone was terrified of dogs.
Turkish people don't like dogs.
Oh, they like cats, right?
They're scared.
Yeah, they love cats.
And there's a lot of, there's a lot of stray dogs in Turkey too.
So like people just develop a fear early on in their lives of dogs.
My brother was fucking so scared.
He was deathly terrified of dogs.
Now he has a dog.
You know what I mean?
And basically my entire family, except for my grandfather, the one I talked about, the logical one, the engineer one.
With the exception of my grandfather, everybody loves a dog.
He still thinks like, what are you doing?
He calculated.
He was like, it's too dirty.
And, you know, the love doesn't balance out.
And also, like, he's like the dogs have utility guy.
Like, in his brain, he's like, why is this dog not outside defending the home?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Why is the dog inside?
Why are you letting the dog lick you?
Yep.
Oh, I don't understand.
I mean, listen, I watched my dog lick his nuts for like 30 minutes and then walk up to me.
I'm like, back up.
Get that tongue away from me.
Like, you don't even.
Yeah.
At least he doesn't like eat his own poop.
Like some female dogs eat their own poop.
Yeah.
Well, she's, she's actually really good with that.
It's just like eating it?
Yeah, she eats it all.
So there's right up food left.
No, I haven't had that issue with her yet.
Okay.
I'm sure that'll fucking come up.
I didn't know that was a female dog thing.
Yeah, it's male dogs do it too.
It's because they have like because they're too stupid still.
Like when they're puppies, they smell the food in their own feces and then they like think that it's a totally different thing.
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Wait, what did you hear?
I've heard that it's like self-defense.
It's like defense, especially the smaller the dog.
It's worried that if it poops, it'll leave a scent and get hunted.
Oh, that's interesting.
I didn't think of it like that.
I've seen my trainers, Belgian Malinois, try to go after his own poop.
And I thought it was because there's like food pellets in it.
You know what I mean?
Particles.
So like they can't distinguish between poop and food sometimes when they're really young.
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between what's good and shit.
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It might be shit or it might be great.
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That's the worst segue you could have done for the Patreon.
I'm doing my best.
Patreon.com slash fear out.
And it's not going to be poop.
It's going to be really great.
And we'll bring Kaya in here, too.
Where can we find you?
If they don't know of you already, which I'm sure they do.
What do you have coming up?
That's probably the best.
I'm Gotham Chess Everywhere except TikTok because I had an account on there with a very old number.
TikTok's support is like three hamsters just like manning like a whole building.
So they also didn't verify me.
I'm like the most followed chess channel and they were like, nope.
I'm like, I sent you an ID and an ID in front of my monitor, a photo in front of my monitor with my account.
Like, that's me.
And they were like, nope.
No, it's crazy.
Yeah, it's really bad.
If you fuck up on TikTok, I don't know.
You got to make a new account.
But it's Gotham Chess Everywhere.
I think probably the most exciting thing I have coming up, like for me personally, outside of just more digital chess stuff is a book.
So basically kind of like redefining how chess is taught in text.
It's going to be like a very fun read.
It's a book that if you got 15 minutes and you're tired and you're like trying to make a change and not scroll through TikToks before bed, which is what I do all the time, you can read this book and you don't need another chessboard.
You just read it and you go, oh shit, that was cool.
I learned something.
Put a bookmark and you know what's the name of it?
It's called How to Win at Chess.
And then like the subtitle is The Ultimate Guide for Beginners and Beyond.
But it comes out in October.
Like, I mean, it's pre-order now, but it's only coming out.
The book industry is wild.
That is.
I learned that the hard way.
There's like four.
It's like airlines.
I think it's a worse monopoly than airlines, actually.
Yeah.
Publishers own the entire marketplace.
There's like a couple.
Who are you going with?
Who'd you go with?
Penguin.
Penguin.
But like an imprint of Penguin.
So it's a smaller one that was owned by them.
And yeah, I was very excited.
I had like a couple of big ones bidding, like a bidding war.
Yeah, it was wild to learn about all this.
But it's the whole system is kind of like a mafia style.
They give you an advance and then they every time you sell a book, like I thought, okay, I sell a book and it goes toward the advance.
No, no, you get 10% of the share of whatever the cost was.
That goes to paying off the advance.
So they strip you of the 90% of the book sale and your 10% is used.
So it takes much longer to pay it off.
So you got to sell like mid-five figures, like high, like low six figures to actually make back the advance.
Damn.
Yeah, it's they're a cartel.
We can talk more about that behind the paywall at patreon.com slash fear end.
We'll see you next time.
Bro, this is called market research.
What are you doing?
You're fucking up.
You need to know this stuff.
Yeah, but aren't they like seven?
Doesn't matter.
Seven-year-olds?
Dude, this is an iPad kit.
Seven-year-olds have access to the internet.
They have access to every...
Yeah.
Yeah, you better be out there.
They're already brawing with the best of them.
You better be out there fucking writing some Google Gaga ass like TikTok videos for seven-year-olds.
I'm telling you.
I'm going to write a book like which chess pieces taste the best.
Oh my God.
You should do that.
I should.
Yeah, which one's the best binky?
Based.
17-year-olds, but they're like, when he said that about the rook, I felt that.