Mike Majlak, QTCinderella, Hasan & Will confront geopolitical tensions over a Chinese surveillance balloon and China's state-capitalist model before pivoting to crypto failures and medical tourism. They address online misrepresentation, Maya Higa's trauma from deepfake leaks, and the legal crackdown on non-consensual AI pornography, highlighting the erosion of truth. The hosts debate sex work ethics, the dangers of enabling addiction through their brother Bobby's death, and the psychological toll of digital violence, concluding that while legislation is vital, personal agency remains fragile against algorithmic harm. [Automatically generated summary]
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Switching Around For QT00:03:06
I'm gonna call you out for that already.
Are we live?
And then there's no XLR issues either.
Wait.
We're probably going to switch around a little bit when QT gets here.
I don't think we'll be...
You'll probably get over there and then QT will come here.
We'll figure it out.
Dude, you're a hard man to fucking get on this podcast, dude.
What the hell?
Dude, I wanted to come on this show.
Like, I've had like, I've had people that are escaping Vladimir Putin, okay, who have like been in Russian prison on this podcast, and they were easier to get a hold of than you.
Because you, you're like, dude, let's, let's do a show.
Let's do it at like 9 in the morning.
Like, he loves doing these early.
Like, I would always know about Trains podcasts, and Train does his podcast at like 3 a.m. Pacific time.
And you hit me up, dude, and you're like, yo, can you come on my show at like 9 in the morning, 10 in the morning?
Hey, you do work?
It's like, this is part of the work.
I know, but like, I work on top of this, too.
Like, I do this, and then I stream.
So, like, I usually, I usually love to do it at like, first of all, I never said nine.
I know your ass was not up at nine.
Okay.
You'd be going to sleep at nine after one of your fucking Grammys parties.
Bro, it's so old.
Dude, honestly, I don't know.
This guy literally was like, bro, Grammy's weekend?
You want me to come in at 11?
No shot.
It's a good networking.
You said that.
You said those.
And I feel like I think I said it before the camera is rolling, so you don't have proof of it.
But like, I've text messaged, you texted it to me.
You did, bro.
You did.
It's just a big weekend.
A lot of people are in town.
It's like a good like networking and like industry weekend.
Weird parties, bro.
Like weird goings-on.
Really?
Like, dude, I was at this Chain Smokers event on Friday night.
There you go.
That would be weird.
And, dude, like the collaboration or like concoction of people at this event was like so odd.
Like it was offset from the Migos group.
Thank you.
Yep.
For clarifying that.
The Migos rap group.
Robert Kraft.
What?
What the fuck?
Lana Rhodes.
Okay, that is.
Like, bro, like, the concoction of people running around that party within close proximity to each other was like strange.
What are they?
All big fans of Chain Smokers?
Robert Kraft loves.
When I would get my massages, I'd just pipe up Chain Smokers and be laughing.
Is that a Chain Smoker song?
I don't even fucking know.
You did do.
Like, you literally.
Dude, that could have been Kuma.
I don't know where you're going with that.
I think you just did the Mentos Freshness theme.
That's what?
As Calvin Hair.
Fuck.
Oh, that was.
Oh, it was summer.
Is that what that was?
I used to watch the copy.
I used to listen to a lot of music.
I don't listen to any music anymore.
I don't have time.
Because you always work.
Bro, you actually, I want to commend you on that right off the bat, dude.
Like, you are a worker.
You are always either streaming, podcasting, tweeting, trying to fix some sort of political goings on.
Balloon Espionage And Surveillance00:06:09
There's a lot going on, dude.
I haven't fixed shit.
Bro, there was a...
When does this come out?
Just for context.
Bro, there was a hot air balloon.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That was sent all.
Sorry.
That went off course.
Yeah, that wasn't that big of a deal.
I think the Pentagon made a bigger deal out of it to like to do propaganda, to be like, look at China.
They're fucking coming after us.
Well, what do you, okay?
Here's what I think.
Because they said, like, obviously, like, it was a weather balloon that went.
What we need some mechanics, I mean dude, I just like.
But no Huzan, think about this for a second.
It was a weather balloon that went off course, a surveillance balloon that went off course, and that's the equivalent of me.
Hey, i'm on my way to your podcast, but I accidentally took a wrong tournament in Arkansas.
Like bro, it's not possible.
What course was it on?
No no, that it ended up over our nuclear base in Montana.
If you, if you first of all balloons, have very limited control on on, what kind of flights out of little girls hands?
Yeah exactly, this is a fucking floating surveillance lab over our nuclear facility.
That's what i'm saying.
So it what?
What i'm about to tell you is probably going to freak you out way for uh, way more than this.
But like, China already is spying on us in way better ways than a fucking gigantic balloon there.
And well, tick tock, yeah, that's one, but that's more, that's more of on a personal basis.
Like right bro, tick tock, tick tock is so powerful as far as like, all the information that they have of you that, like they know what you want before you know it.
Okay.
So like, if they want it, they're like hey hey, big Mike let's, let's take a look at hey big Mike, let's see if uh, oh okay um, he thought about fucking eating chocolate on thursday.
That means that he's also interested in this this this, like they have shit that you don't even know about yourself.
But beyond that um, there are uh conventional surveillance techniques that all big superpowers use on one another.
For sure that they could easily uh get away with that, doesn't like?
You know, if you want to do espionage, if you want to do real surveillance, you don't want everybody to fucking know correct, you know, they just put usually uh, we use balloons as well, America uses balloons as well first surveillance every now and then oftentimes over like uh, you know, like a field of war or something never really usually on like civilians.
Um, and as far as like uh, Chinese uh technology goes, they do have some uh zeppelins and balloons and the like, just like we do.
This is like experimental tech, because they're they can stay afloat for a way longer time with no refueling capability.
So like, it's fine.
Um, they have satellites.
The thing about the satellites?
The thing about the satellites is they don't, because of their distance, they're not able to produce from an angle angle standpoint, the same type of yeah uh, intel.
Back to the satellite.
Secondly, but they have a balloon at that height can pick up things like heat, heat signatures from from silos.
It can pick up all kinds of things that a satellite cannot pick up.
So so well, I understand that, not just satellites, though I was, I was, I was gonna say like one.
They have satellites, two they can, and the United States government utilizes all the time they use Cessnas, a lot of time.
That's just what they do.
They just like fucking put a Cessna, strap the camera underneath it, do a quick flyby boom, boom.
You're out like a, like a hired set, contracted Cessna through a shadow, even through like a yeah, or even lower altitude uh, in comparison to the balloon, the balloon is at 60 000 to 90 000 lower altitude private jet.
You know, you put a fucking camera under the private jet.
Who the fuck's gonna know?
Some Chinese billionaire is gonna be flying over.
What are you gonna do?
You don't know that you can't because, like it's on the right flight path, let's say, you know, all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom.
It's uh, they they snap whatever the fuck pictures they want to snap.
So they have a lot of capabilities beyond if they want to do espionage.
And the reality is, uh, wait, hold on.
I think the food is here for you, March.
Um, sorry, uh, doors open.
I think I saw Amber Rose in front of your house.
I'm not kidding, dude.
She may still be out there.
There was like a Lincoln.
Look, I think she's jammed by still.
Yeah, she really might.
If Amber Rose is in front of the house, bring her in.
I want it.
I want her input on the Chinese water balloon.
It would be way weather this year than his.
Amber Rose's opinion?
I'm telling you, she's out front, dude.
I saw her.
Global tensions are at the point that there is only one way to move forward, and that is that we get a new Rocky movie where Creed fights a Chinese boxer.
Like Rocky.
I could see something like that solving the problems.
For sure.
I think the Cold War ended because of Rocky IV.
That's probably what happened.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think we came together as people.
My favorite thing is watching everyone collectively freak out.
I just think it's interesting.
But I think people forget a lot of time that like we are doing the same shit, dude.
Yeah, we're doing way worse.
I didn't want to say it, but like, honestly, like, they'll come study our nuclear facilities, right?
Like, whether it's them or Iran or whoever wants to get Intel, we'll take their facilities offline.
Like, we'll literally upload malware into their systems and be like, yo, you're going down for it.
They're getting pretty good at that, too.
China actually, as far as like China being a threat, I mean, I am definitely what most people would consider a China sympathizer for many different reasons, but most importantly, because I like...
I don't really like Chinese food.
No, I really like high-speed rail.
And I think that...
Bro, that can't be a good enough reason.
No, I sympathize with.
By the way, really quickly, the superpower that we are at.
Like, people talk about Russia.
They're talking about this country, that country.
U.S., China.
That is the playing field.
That is the only playing field.
There's no one else in the game.
I'm obviously critical of China.
Of course, they do a lot of superpower shit that the United States does as well.
Maybe not to the same degree, but they're trying.
China Vs America Game00:02:18
They're trying their best.
What I like is that I like the concept of Chinese prosperity.
That is both cultural value and also like a system of governance, basically.
One thing that they do regularly is they'll just have like there'll be like a billionaire that sold low quality baby formula, right?
And some babies died execution.
Straight up.
They're like, oh, that's right.
So you like the accountability.
I like that they do implement accountability.
Obviously, I'm not a fan of capital punishment, but like there is there was chaos.
You want somewhere between capitalism and capital punishment.
Like you want like a medium between.
Well, one other good example is like, for example, every so first of all, the corporations in China are beholden to the government.
They work at the behest of the government.
In America, our government is beholden to corporations.
And I think that corporations being beholden to the government, especially if the government is still maintaining some level of interest in like uplifting the lives of every citizen evenly, as evenly as possible.
I'm a fan of that because our subsidies are the ones who are fucking funding every part of our agricultural production anyway, but we can't get any return on that shit because they could do whatever the fuck they want.
They can make the price of milk as high as they want.
Dump out the rest of the milk.
You know what I mean?
Destroy supply.
Eggs too.
You're not giving me any insight, by the way.
Like, you're a socialist, dude.
I know you're, I know where you stand.
Like, I'm not sneaking this by you.
No, I know all.
I know all this stuff.
And by the way, like, I love the conversation.
I think it's, I think it's a very intriguing conversation.
One thing I like is you do a very good job of arguing with just facts and stats and just conversation.
I don't like how we can't talk about stuff without anger nowadays.
Like, can we just talk and I could hear your side?
You could hear my side.
And guess what?
If we leave and we innately or strongly disagree with each other, who gives a fuck?
Go on with your life.
I'm going to go on with my life and that's it.
Like, I try to show this out to my audience regularly because like there are a lot of people that are very serious about their political positions.
And I perfectly, I understand that.
Leaving Disagreements Behind00:07:26
And there are, of course, some kinds of fucking assholes out there that like you don't, you don't fuck with, that you don't want to be friends with, that you know are like kind of bad people.
I know you hate Steven Crowder, for example.
He's a great example of this.
But like ultimately, if we're talking about normies, if we're talking about normal individuals, like there are going to be a million different things that you guys disagree on, and then and yet you can still maintain like a level of friendship with these people.
Yeah, without like immediately assuming that they're like a fucking fascist or some shit.
Especially because like the way I understand it, I think a lot of Americans are product or everyone is a product of the systems that they grew up in.
And all these people, especially on the left, they're always like, oh, the system is white supremacist.
The system is fundamentally like, you know, right-wing or whatever.
But then they don't recognize that like, of course, the motherfuckers that are born and grown into it are going to have those values.
You know what I mean?
It's just, it takes a while to unlearn that shit.
Anyway, this is a non-political podcast.
Yeah, sorry.
I don't know why I came out swinging like that.
It was just that balloon, dude.
Like, I just was so stressed out by it.
I'm really stuck with you.
Yeah, I don't.
I'm a firm believer that like if that was a legitimate threat, first of all, they were tracking it before.
They were tracking it over Alaska.
You know what I mean?
They were tracking it from the moment that it fucking, you know, started flying.
So NORAD tracked it from the jump.
I'm a firm believer that if it was a legitimate threat, if it constituted some kind of actual threat, they would have fucking taken it out over Alaska.
What scared you about the balloon?
I think like just like growing up, you have this, and it is a privilege to be able to say this.
You live in a balloon.
Growing up in America, we have a innate sense of homeland security that exists as a result of our coastlines.
And the idea of any foreign superpower having any kind of aircraft or device floating over our homeland is a scary thought.
And I think it's a scary thought for all Americans to imagine that that's possible.
For me, it's just such a non-story because it's like.
That can't be possible.
There's no way.
I'm with him.
I like thinking outside the box.
But for you guys, you guys live here.
And whatever your thoughts are on it, the idea of any other country, that very much feels like an intrusion.
It feels like an invasion.
An invasion of our invasion of our airspace.
Do you know what happens if one of our military aircraft crosses 100 feet over the line of the no-fly zone into China?
God forbid over the China mainland.
They have an imaginary line that they draw.
I forgot the name of it.
That they consider to be the border zone of their land.
There's already contention over that too, because they're building artificial islands as well, expanding on that fly zone.
China also routinely uh does like flyovers, uh that, and North Korea does flyovers or not flyovers, but like North Korea does like intercontinental ballistic missile testing too, over Japan.
So like that's a big point of contention, military exercises of that sort.
But imagine if a U.s aircraft of any kind balloon plane, whatever actually went over mainland China like an actual route, so it would be considered a hostile act and that aircraft would be shot down.
So that actually.
So that actually does happen.
If it was the kid from up, like no no no, it does.
What you're talking about happens quite frequently as a matter of fact, and that's precisely why all governments, whether they're warring with one another or not, whether they're engaging in a proxy war, whether it be in Ukraine or in Syria, are actually in constant communication with one another.
A lot of people don't know this.
There is a communication system between Russia and the United States Of America to ensure that all, like the United States is always aware of every Russian flight pattern.
They're not able to give it to Ukraine, they claim that they don't give it to Ukraine and uh Americans, you know Americans are feeding their information to Russians for that reason, so that that never actually happens.
No, crossover happens.
As soon as that balloon reached uh?
U.s airspace, they were already in back and forth communication with the Chinese government, which is why i'm saying it's like a little bit more aggress, like the media's more aggressive approach to the story is is the unusual part of it the fact that there was like a surveillance balloon or a meteorologist uh, you know, like a weather balloon uh, crossing over, uh into our airfield is not that unique.
I i'm gonna be honest, maybe it's just the nature of a balloon.
It's so whimsical, I agree, but like when I also when I also weighed against the fact that everybody in the conversation has nuclear missiles and if they actually wanted to buck static, we'd all be dead already.
I just don't give a fuck, I just don't give a shit.
Yeah, but okay, moving on, did you know?
Did you know they used to use balloons in World War Ii?
Yes, Japan to drop yeah, Japan used to firebomb uh?
U.s.
Civilian territories with balloons and uh, that was actually a very serious thing at the time because they were like, what the fuck?
What do we do about this what?
The Pacific Seaboard?
So six people died, six civilians were killed in a firebomb attack.
That was the most successful one, and the government actually covered it up at the time because they did not want to create uh, additional sense yeah, additional panic and a sense of.
Isn't it funny how things have changed so much where it used to be yo, let's protect our citizens and have them continue to live the way of life that they are used to, so they can continue to be, you know, efficient civilians to now, mongering is the is the way.
Well because let's, let's draw.
One is the government and one is uh, the media.
Yeah for sure.
Well also no no no, the media is in unison with the government on this one.
I think the warmongering comes from the military industrial complex in general, but the reason why we do that is because we are more safe here in the continental United States than ever before.
And the reason for that is because one was World War II, where the United States was like, you know, a powerful industrial force, okay?
But post-World War II, especially after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that's it.
That and all of the efforts that the United States engaged in in the years to come against the USSR basically solidified that this was America's world.
You know what I mean?
And that's precisely and Rocky IV.
So for that reason, for that reason, like the warmongering is to just generate more weapons.
Like there's, they fucking, dude, come on.
We have like 800 gorilla dollars in our fucking defense band and you think we're fucking a balloon is not going to be a good thing.
You think a fucking balloon is going to be like a serious issue?
You look kind of like a gorilla, dude.
You're a big fucking topic I can do.
Rocky IV Warmongering Legacy00:03:54
You're up.
So like I've never really gotten a chance to like size.
You're always sitting.
You're always sitting down like constantly.
That's true.
And I knew you were a big dude.
Like I knew that, right?
But like you're a big dude.
People don't see that until they see me in person.
Cause like I get this all the time when I'm meeting with fans, they're like, holy shit, you're so tall.
I'm like, motherfucker, you know I'm 6'4.
You know what I mean?
But people don't really like grasp it until they see it.
I get it by proxy because I'm always next to him.
And then people see me and they're like, I thought you were like 5'5, dog.
What the fuck?
Yeah, no.
What's your weight right now?
230.
Right now?
No, no, no, no.
I'm 250 pounds flat right now.
I'm trying to get down to 230.
When I was 230, I had a six-pack.
Would you ever fight?
No.
You could pull, dude, if you, if, because you work out too, right?
Yeah.
You're pretty active.
I, yeah, I, I, I like, and I even like fight training every now and then.
Like, I'll do like cardio shit.
Um, I enjoy it.
Here's somewhere for you.
Here.
Try to get out of the habit of chewing gum on podcasts.
It's so anti.
Like.
I do it non-stop, brother.
Don't worry about it.
Um, but uh, I, I just, I hate fighting.
I hate fighting so much.
Yeah.
I'm not a fan.
Yeah, I'm not into it either.
I'm just, I like, I like watching it.
You know, like, I'm into this new like stuff.
I think it's cool.
I think it gave, I think it gave Jake Paul a real purpose and direction.
I think there's a lot of people who are doing that along with something else.
Other than trying to be better than his brother?
Yeah, there's definitely a there's definitely a competition.
I gotta give it to Logan, man.
I love wrestling.
That shit with him and Ricochet, 10 out of 10.
11 out of 10.
Listen, he is a...
Did you see that clip?
I did.
I actually talked about this.
I was going to bring this up.
He's a world-class athlete.
He is so...
He is really good at that.
Listen, there is a certain specialized kinesthetic intelligence that comes with being a wrestler, right?
Not like a collegiate wrestler, like a WWE wrestler, where it's not just doing super athletic films.
It's like selling facial expressions and like the soap opera within these like really athletic moves.
And him with Austin was incredible.
The buck shot was fucking amazing.
And now that moment with Ricochet, that's like an all-time moment.
It was unreal.
What I've come to realize with his involvement is that if he's in an event, he's going to create the showcase moment of that event.
So like I saw that for the first time in Saudi at Crown Jewel.
I mean, that jump off the top rope through the table was insane.
Like, I don't know.
It's like, it's like, It's almost like there's like a different class of we all kind of exist in like different lanes and niches.
You crush the podcast and open format streaming and like talking about, you know, very varying topics.
The idea of getting in front of 60,000 people with some of the greatest wrestlers of all time and being able to do what you just did, thread a storyline with athleticism and showmanship is a completely different lane.
Like he really, he really is incredible at what he does.
Yeah.
I know, which is why it's fucking mind-boggling to me when he fucks up still when I'm just like, dude, what are you doing?
Just focus on shit that you're good at that people will like celebrate you for because he has an opportunity.
Obviously, when you're that famous, especially when you're mired with controversy leading up to that moment, you're going to have a lot of haters.
I have a lot of fucking haters.
You know what I mean?
I can't change their minds no matter what.
But ultimately, you just got to keep your head down and make good content and be an entertaining person.
And that's such a great avenue for him.
Crypto Payments And Hatred00:05:09
So whenever other shit happens, like, you know, obviously Crypto Zoo and whatever, I'm like, dude, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, how are you, how are you doing this?
I think that's the goal.
I think that's the goal now.
Like, I think when that was all strategized and put together, it was pre a lot of the stuff that you're seeing him do now, which was like when I saw some of those videos or tweets, which were like, yo, you've got Prime, you've got this, you've got that going on.
I think that when that was put together, it was probably two, three years ago when they started talking about it.
And that was prior to a lot of that stuff, you know, and he was still looking for a lane of new enterprise and, you know, Web3 and crypto and NFT was all heating up.
And it seemed like a time to get to continue to get involved in that space.
And I, you know, like, I've never been a crypto guy.
I've always from the jump been like, this shit's a scam.
Don't fucking do it.
You're a rare bird, though.
To be honest, listen, let me put it this way.
What happened to our crypto?
Someone brought up.
I still have it.
Wait, what is it at now?
How much money?
What did you guys get?
No, no, we, we got paid in crypto, for I have not.
I did the homie, I did the homie hookup for him, I have.
We like this, we participated in some cash app thing okay, but did you like the Uno tournament and we like got to a certain level, or I think they gave us like an appearance fee or something in crypto.
I want to know what it is, because I was like I don't give a fuck, just give it to Will.
Was it ETH?
It's come, it's coming back, it's coming back.
I mean, I don't know where it goes.
I'm not.
You know, let's look, this is gonna be fun.
It says zero dollars, homie.
What the fuck?
No, that's the cash balance.
Oh, isn't that it there bro, that's halved.
Yeah wait, what was our payment?
We got paid, got paid like 10 grand total, I think.
Yeah, or wait, was it 10 grand each?
No, I think it was like 10 grand total.
Yeah, it was like it was like 10 grand total and I was like just give it to Will right now.
No, it is halved.
Yeah, he probably paid us at like 50.
the only time i've ever i have a funny story the only time i've ever made money on anything because crypt i me i'm the guy that always buys at the top like i'm that guy suck i'm last to the party i'm like yo bitcoin's at 48 000 it's going to a million i gotta Put everything into this.
I'm just that guy.
Yeah.
And so I've lost tremendous amounts of money investing in ETH.
I suck.
I suck at that type of shit.
At least you know, so you shouldn't do that.
Correct.
Now I try to do traditional investments with people that can handle my money and do it for me.
Right.
But the only time I ever made money on crypto, I had this streak of getting my Venmo hacked.
And, you know, like for whatever reason, I had every security protocol locked into my Venmo.
I had dual fact, two-factor everything.
And I was calling them constantly.
Why does this keep happening?
And I went and I checked my account one day and I realized that someone had purchased $2,500 worth of Bitcoin with my connected traditional bank account.
A hacker gone in and purchased Bitcoin in my Venmo with my account.
Now, right after he did that, like literally like a couple weeks after that, Venmo rolled in this new requirement that you have to upload your social security number and tax info to sell crypto.
So he couldn't then offload the crypto.
So I froze my account and got access back to it about three months later.
And Bitcoin had doubled in price.
So when I sold the Bitcoin that the hacker purchased, I doubled my hacked money.
That's awesome.
He turned a profit.
So the only time that's the only time you're paying money.
That's awesome.
That's just been L's, bro.
Just don't, don't, don't do it.
I mean, there's a lot of people who like think that they're going to do it.
The only people that end up doing it are usually the ones who are doing the rug pulling.
And then sometimes you even get pulled yourself when you're trying to fucking, you know, put a scheme together.
I think there's also an element of like the scratch lotto ticket to crypto too.
A hundred percent.
I think there's something like whims.
Yeah, it's gambling.
Yeah, it's gambling.
It definitely definitely feels like so was the stock market.
At least there's like a little bit more fundamentals.
And yeah, like with the stock market, like there is a level of predictability that I would put like maybe around the same vein as like sports betting.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah.
Well, and there's, and there's a rulebook, right?
Like that, like, like we're all just kind of like watching this space where anything can happen.
Like the crypto space, they're starting to obviously roll some sort of like rules and regs into it.
But for the most part, it's this like Wild West like finance area where like you see these people in other countries.
They're like, oh, six billion dollars just disappeared and we don't know where the guys are.
Like, what was it?
Those two brothers?
Bro, El Salvador.
El Salvador changed his entire national currency to cryptocurrency.
Like it's the most at the top.
Yeah.
Also at the top.
Most idiotic thing you could do as a fucking nation, dude.
Like, holy fuck.
Buying a home in El Salvador, baby.
Wild West Crypto Rules00:03:52
Let's go.
Yeah.
He was so bullish.
He was like, dude, he said.
No, he said diamond hands, baby.
No, no, no fucking uncertainty, doubters.
Wall street bats.
They don't love it.
Yeah, that's great.
It's just so devastating.
Imagine you can't do anything.
You're just in El Salvador, and then your fucking government just does that.
You're like, okay, well, I'm fucked now.
See, that's the thing.
Like, you see this kind of stuff happen.
I think there's been some really strange stuff going on in Lebanon over the past few years with their currency situation.
I think they just took like a night, what, a 90% devalue on what was on conversion rate or something like that over the past week.
And their banks have no money and people can't pull money out of their banks.
Private personality.
People are like robbing banks to get their money out.
It's wild.
Pay for like cancer surgery in Venezuela, Turkish inflation.
Like, obviously, I spent a little bit of time in Istanbul when I got my hair done.
I was going to ask you about that.
Listen, bro.
Yes.
It's Grammy weekend.
All right, dude.
I can't talk about this stuff.
Oh, my God.
He's taking my soul, bro.
So you got a hair transplant.
Yeah, I did.
How bad was it before?
Was you fucking not terrible, but it was, it was, you know, I'm 38 years old.
I was starting to get thin.
I wouldn't say in the back, correct, crowning, exactly.
And I was a little getting a little bit of a little bit as well.
Yeah, yeah, I guess you could say that.
I guess you could say that.
And I was, I was, dude, I was rocking a lot of hats.
Yeah.
And also just like, you know, trying to figure out like all these like temporary solves.
We're front receivers ourselves, me and him.
I mean, dude, like, honestly, I just don't, I don't know.
I don't do a lot of the LA stuff.
I've never done Botox.
I've never done any of that kind of stuff.
I have done some.
You did?
Yeah.
Where'd you get Botox?
Forehead?
Forehead.
You did?
Wait, move your eyes.
Well, you can move it still.
A little bit.
But it was the last time.
It was the last time you did.
But once.
Like, like two months ago?
I didn't fucking know.
It looks good.
It looks good.
And I'm not saying, there's nothing wrong.
I just haven't done that yet.
I've done some PRP where they insert your platelet-rich plasma back in your face.
Like all kinds of weird stuff.
I've never done any of this shit, bro.
I literally.
I'm not even after you're a bronzed god.
Bro, I fucking, I use.
Think about the common name.
I literally use fucking, I used body wash on my face my whole life until like recently.
Right, right.
And but it, but I feel like there's wear and tear.
You know what I mean?
I got to fix this shit up.
You are one of those like starface pimple patches right now, though.
That is not even a fucking pimple.
I literally, I have an obsessive skin picking.
It's like a thing that I do.
That's why I bite my nails all the fucking time in my cuticles.
I have those in your thumbs.
Yeah, my thumbs are.
That's not that bad.
Look at my thumbs.
Are they that bad?
They're just like kind of fucked up.
It looks like a boulder or something.
It's like kind of fucked up, but it's not like that bad.
What do you, what?
They're very angled, dude.
You have like a very, you have like a very like rough exterior.
You're very, you're very like a.
What the fuck?
I don't really know how to put it, dude.
It looks like you've been burned.
What?
You like almost can be like...
It's like you grabbed a cauldron by putting your thumbs inside the hot.
I think my hands are like definitely busted from both working out and also like beating the shit out of my cuticles.
Your fingers look okay.
Your thumbs are just.
What is that?
What is that a result?
Hold on.
I want to do this hair thing, but I also want to learn why you're picking your face.
He does this.
I just, I pick my.
Is that OC, like an OCD or anxiety?
I guess it's like a symptom, but I think it's, it could be either, like, I have ADHD.
So instead of fidgeting, that like probably grounds me.
I rarely ever feel anxiety.
Like I rarely ever feel anxiety.
And I think part of that is because I'm just fucking constantly picking up my shit.
So it's just levels.
Rough Exterior Burned Thumbs00:06:11
Okay.
You're coping.
So I'm like, fuck it.
Yeah.
No, literally.
Like, I was thinking about that.
I'm like, yeah, this shit works.
So who cares?
You should brand that somehow.
Like, you don't need LexaPro.
You need to eat your hair.
I would not say that.
I would not say that.
Wait, okay.
So I'm, so I'm in Europe and like was doing something unrelated.
And David, my, my videographer, had put me onto this idea.
And he was like, dude, he kind of know if I want to throw him under the bus because he was like trying to like not, he wanted a little bit himself, right?
Like he had like a very small area.
And he may or may not have gotten it.
Correct.
That's fine.
And he like hinted at me.
He's like, there's this place, Smile Hair Clinic in Istanbul, right?
And also, I really wanted to go to...
I love Baklava, dude.
It's one of my favorite.
It's the best.
Dude, it's so good.
And I love how the Turks and the Greeks like who parts to the dessert and the exhaustive hair surgery.
They were both checkmarks on our level.
Exactly.
So I was like, all right, I'll explore this idea.
And I got in touch with these people and I was like looking into this system that costs 30, upwards of $30,000 in the United States.
Oh, yeah, I was going to say in Turkey, it's not.
So like in the United States, they charge you by graft.
So how many grafts are you going to have removed from what's called the donor area?
I'm giving everyone kind of like a little bit of color to this exercise.
They have two different ways of doing it.
They can remove an entire strip of flesh from the back of your head and then remove hairs from that or they could do this individualized removal of follicles, right?
And so if you want to have 4,000 follicles removed from the back of your head and implanted in the top of your crown or in the front of your head, 4,000 times $7 per graft is $28,000, which prices out just about anybody who wants to have a surgery that can really help you with your self-esteem, your confidence, everything.
It's not fun to have to worry about that.
It's just not, dude.
It's a major male issue and something that really messes with your self-esteem.
And so I looked at the pricing there and they have this flat fee of like two grand or like $2,500.
They're like, you know, well, if you come in and it's, and they're like using like Google Translate to talk to me and they're like, well, if you come in and you need 1,800 grafts, I'm like, yeah, how much would that be?
They're like 2,000.
I'm like, what if I need 5,000 grafts?
They're like 2,000.
Like it just doesn't change.
Yeah.
So I like.
I'm like, Jiffy Lube go in there.
Bro, that shit.
Medical tourism is huge in Turkey.
Like they got some good doctors too.
It's so funny because like the return flight from Istanbul is like motherfuckers all patched up.
How was that guy?
Yeah.
Luckily for me, they took not luck.
I guess it doesn't matter, but they like took mine off.
So I was like, I was out in Istanbul exploring square the first day.
By the way, it's like Cream Square, basically.
Great country, great people, great food.
It's a shame to see what's happening with the economy there because it's another one of those situations.
It's kind of out of the population's control, obviously.
But ironically has led to a lot of opportunities for that type of tourism because they really need money.
And those infusions of tourism capital is really important to them.
They're doing a lot of work.
Tourism has always been a huge, huge industry in Turkey, medical tourism even, but it's especially larger now.
You're right.
Because of promotion of internet creators.
Yeah.
Well, that for sure.
It's become like a meta.
It's like a meme, you know?
I love that.
It's so funny.
It's all over TikTok.
It's just funny because every Turkish person is also still bald.
Like they're not doing it.
Yeah, that's actually, because is that like a inherent like trait of that region?
I did notice that.
Even some of the surgeons who like did the surgery.
I'm like, why don't you just simply do it to yourself?
I was like, yeah, fuck it.
You know what I'm saying?
But actually, tourism is a major topic of discussion in that greater region right now.
We've been spending a lot of time in Riyadh and in Doha and cities like that as you continue to watch these oil-rich countries kind of start to have this come to Jesus.
Well, I guess it would be come to Allah of what they're going to do post-oil reserve.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, no, they're both trying to diversify.
They're both trying to diversify while simultaneously I think it's a bit of both.
It's not just like they're trying to diversify their portfolio, but it's also like a lot of the stuff like, you know, WWF or WWE being bought by the Saudi government.
That is called sports washing where they're basically trying to well, they're basically trying to make it more They're trying to do PR they're trying to make themselves the Saudi government be bad They do wrestling right so I hear I hear what you guys are saying, But I guess my question is to you, Every country does.
Does that end up?
Does that end up in a way, reverse engineering the way that the government acts?
Because when you start to have people like Ronaldo there and when you start to have people like Logan Paul or whoever else there, do you think that that creates a necessity for those governments to then kind of not engage in practices that they have in the past?
Does it?
Does it go like this, to a point where eventually there is some sort of westernization or modernization of things that you don't want to see?
Are those athletes going to hold the government accountable?
No, he's saying.
He's saying the more western consumers come to Saudi Arabia, the more Saudi Arabia is going to have to like unwind their question of asking, yeah, I don't think it's going to it it's, it's more dependent on what, like America bullies Saudi Arabia into doing, but and America's not interested in bullying Saudi Arabia in any capacity.
Look at countries like Dubai right where, like there, there probably was some semblance of similar practices or or a pass of similar practices, which you don't see at all anymore.
Life Unpredictable And Hard00:14:50
You have alcohol, you've got freedom of expression, you've got freedom of sexuality to for the most part.
I think if you're, if you're a national, it's still bad, but it's oh it, but it's especially worse, but it's especially bad if you're.
Uh, how are you good, nice to meet you.
Um yeah, we wanted to.
We wanted to talk about Saudi Arabia.
We wanted to ambush you, we wanted to ambush you with a woman.
Yeah, Mike came in.
Really political once again.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry we.
We were talking, we get saved for the stream dog.
You could talk about all the pockets on stream.
I would rather do the pre-recorded.
Oh yeah, because you don't want to, because maybe talk about, like burger rating yeah yeah yeah, you want, you want lighter stuff on stream.
I get it, I see what it is.
Um, it's fine.
But yeah cutie Cinderella, she lives, she lives in in the state of Nevada.
Do you live?
Oh, are you in San Diego?
Pretty much yeah oh, she drives like three and a half hours to get here yeah so anything, I I interrupted Grammy, so you can bore.
Yeah just guy bro, what are you?
What are you supposed to be partying with, like Diplo right now?
What the fuck's going on?
I'm kidding, you just made it into a thing that it wasn't supposed to be.
Okay, all right, what are you doing tonight?
You're going to some parties on sunday.
I'm done, dude like, so we leave for Australia on uh on tuesday.
Yeah, what are you guys doing in Australia for?
For for uh, taking cool trips yeah okay okay, you know what's funny?
This is it.
This is a good, fun opportunity for me to mention some stuff about the history and the inception no, the history of the inception of this podcast.
Originally, it's these, they're like husband and wife.
Originally, I started this podcast way way long ago, a long time ago, with the hopes that like, how impulsive, What impulsive has been for you, I thought this podcast would be for Will.
Yeah, and then we even worked, we even worked with Cast, which was the network that you guys were working with.
We signed a bangerang contract.
And our contract was dog shit.
We didn't like it.
We left it.
We did it now.
We were doing it now.
What did we make for that year of podcasting we did?
Two shoes.
Two shoes.
I know.
What was this?
Sarah Rothy.
Was it six grand total, I think, for all the fucking three each for a year.
Yeah.
And then, and then, you know, Rothies.
Anyway.
My dad still wears those shoes.
Yeah.
All jokes aside, though, like, I thought, you know, this would be your, you know, hey, big mic moment thing, but then the podcast did not pop off.
And then you did your own thing regardless.
But that's why, that's why originally I started it because I wanted like Will to have there's no way that's you didn't start a podcast simply as a spring another human, dude.
It was one of his intentions.
That's very thoughtful.
And I felt miserably, but like, it's funny that just like admitted, yeah, 1 million percent.
Yeah.
1 million percent.
Because you, you, like, already had your lane and you didn't need like an additional kind of effect.
Yeah.
But do you love doing it?
Because I got to say this.
Like, one of the, one of the things about impulsive is like, there's a, there's kind of a thing that makes every podcast.
Some podcasts have like really great guests.
Some podcasts have like really great political conversation, like crowd or something.
Not this one.
We don't do podcasts.
But like everybody has their thing.
Our thing has always been friendship and camaraderie between the people that exist on it.
And so like as of lately, when you see that friendship threatened because of the conversation that exists on the podcast, it's extremely, it has potential like detriment to the brand that we've created.
Have you guys been fighting?
There's been a little bit of like stuff.
The crypto zoo stuff was like one and then the Christianity stuff, right?
Right, right.
Which like I don't even think that all was all that like bad.
You know, it was I think it got blown out of proportion.
I think so too.
I think when you start to see like a snowball effect of someone having like a bad not the cryptozoo thing.
I'm not saying that, but the Christianity thing and like the animal sanctuary thing were like two instances where I feel like people are just like ready to fucking eat Logan Paul alive, which is understandable.
Yeah.
So that's why they were like coming after him, aggro.
Second thing I'll say, and this is like unrelated, but like we've been in similar scenes and stuff.
We have like mutual friends and whatnot, but I always thought you were a fucking douchebag and I never approached you.
What do I do?
What do I do about that?
But I think people think that about me too.
No, not even.
Okay, but not even just like me and you.
I've been struggling with this recently.
As someone who, as someone who sits on podcasts for hours monthly and literally just gives a semi-decent representation of who I am as a person.
You're too broy.
I used to stream.
I don't, okay.
But I like that.
But I'm the same way.
No, but maybe you're right about that.
But the one thing I never want to have mistaken, and I hope that like this comes across and we've had pretty, you know, intimate conversations.
We sat down.
We had a great talk.
Right.
For those of I guess we'll just put this on the record.
I met him because we were doing ScuffPod.
And for those of you who have ever watched the ScuffPod, which doesn't really exist anymore, you would sit in a waiting room for like hours.
Yeah, it was miserable.
Because Train would be like, we're going live at 11.
And then it would be like 12.30 and you'd be sitting there playing a video game like whole or yelling about something.
What is going on?
And then he would finally go live.
So we sat together in a waiting room for like probably over an hour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And just talk about a lot of stuff.
And honestly, like, I just, I, I sometimes struggle with this like misrepresentation of myself.
And I think that like, especially in the culture of TikTok and the culture of like missing context, even some of the clips that we produce from our channels, I sometimes look at and I'm like, dude, this is unfair, bro.
Like this sucks.
I'll make a joke about, you know, like my relationship with my ex and some and they'll cut out the part where it was, I say, oh, that was, well, that was in the PDF because like they'll like maybe it was fed to me.
They'll cut that part out and they're like, why is he always still talking about that man?
Context is really removed from a lot of situations on the internet.
And I feel like sometimes I get this misrepresentation being someone who when you do meet in person, the response is always the same.
Like, yo, his energy is really good.
Like he's not.
I don't know.
Am I misrepresenting myself?
No, I'll answer part of that.
Listen, when you are branded as someone's friend, you're expected to like house all this.
You're expected to have.
No, no, I didn't mean you guys.
Oh, sorry.
We do.
We do.
Marshall, cut that out.
I thought we were leaking.
No, but like, honestly, it's, it's amazing when a lot of people meet me, they'll like try and chop up like socialist theory with me.
And I'm like, nah, dog, that's like, that's my friend.
And I think for a general audience, a parasocial audience, it's really hard to separate two different personalities.
So honestly, I think you're probably carrying around a lot of Logan's baggage and putting that on.
Doesn't he know it?
He's like, oh yeah, it sucks when you're, you know, when your fucking best friend is a firebrand.
Wait, wait, what's it called?
You get shit on a lot for no reason.
That's not even, that doesn't happen to you.
Everybody loves you.
What's the like sins of your father called like generational trust?
Oh, yeah.
Like I'm like carrying around this baggage.
Yeah.
But that was definitely.
Hey, Mike, how was Japan?
Yeah, I'm like, I was there.
Yeah, no, that actually played a role in it too.
That was like your, you know, your proximity to Logan Paul.
But then the thing that changed my mind about it was like your friendship with Jeff because I love Jeff.
I think he's a really nice guy.
Jeff is dope.
And, you know, we've had him on the pod a couple times as well.
So audience knows him.
And I think like seeing you guys' friendship, that was when I was like, you know, maybe this might guy ain't too bad.
It also depends on like what people's and on Jeff quickly.
I love that kid, dude.
Like he, he, he.
No, fuck that guy.
Fuck my hair up, dude.
Fuck it.
It's my fault.
I let a blind man cut my hair.
There's not, there's not a lot of people.
Oh, his, his surgery didn't work, dude.
I know.
It's actually sucks to the last.
I don't know if like I'm supposed to put this out there.
Wait, what?
Really?
A lot of them are very experimental, bro.
Like they're not sure shots.
I mean, if they don't, like, you know, the idea of something not taking?
Like, it didn't take.
But it didn't blind him.
No, I think that's what he was worried about.
I think, yeah, he was worried about like being fully blind.
So when you said that, I was like, what the fuck?
It's just really, it's just really tough to like watch, obviously, like the whole situation.
But going back, there's not many people in this space that I relate to tremendously.
And going even a step back, a lot of times it depends on how willing people are to really dive into who you actually are as a person.
And I think nowadays people are extremely lazy.
They'll watch a couple TikToks.
Maybe they'll dive into one of my vlogs.
And I will say this too.
I've been semi-irresponsible in terms of how I present myself on my own channel.
So I'll put that out there.
But I wrote a best-selling book called The Fifth Vital about the opiate epidemic and my experience with the heroin addiction.
And that's another thing I wanted to talk to you about.
It has sold 300,000 copies.
Wow.
It is a USA Today bestseller.
It is one of the highest ranked books on Audible and Amazon.
It's got over 5,000 five-star ratings.
And when I meet people that know me through the Fifth Vital, it's a dramatically different conversation than it is for someone who's seen me on the podcast talking about wrestling and crypto, whatever the fuck, or the night shift, you know?
So my big job right now and the, and the, the real onus for, for 2023 and moving forward for me is being a little bit more responsible to the brand that I'm trying to create for longevity and for long term and like not relying as much on the things that I think we all fall into the habit of relying on from time to time.
And, you know, I've loved all the time that I've spent with the girls that are in the vlogs and the food and the stuff that I do.
And the food is another thing that I'm huge on.
And we can talk about that later.
I love food.
But my potential and the ability that I have to create actual change and continue on the change that I've actually made already is something that is a responsibility that I need to really take accountability for.
You're not cold turkey, are you?
No, I don't know what you mean by that.
Like, how did I get clean?
Do you know, no, I meant not with like opiates.
I meant alcohol.
Do you like sandwiches?
So, okay, so this is a conversation that is actually really hard for me to have, dude.
And I don't want to have it.
We don't have it.
No, no, no, no.
The thing about me and something that I pride myself on is transparency.
I'm fully transparent about anything.
I put everything out there.
I don't put stuff in there.
Same.
It's a bad idea.
Don't do it.
I am the same way, though.
Go ahead.
I have been clean from opiates and all drugs since 2010.
I got clean on June 23rd, 2010.
And that includes anything, right?
Like completely clean.
And, you know, I wrote about this in my book.
So it's really, I'm not putting anything else out there, but I've had my ons and offs with the California sober lifestyle, which is basically like, okay, I can have a casual drink here and there.
I am, I do not condone that as a belief set for someone who is in active recovery, especially someone in early active recovery to even attempt something like that.
I mean, I was clean and sober for years before I had a drink.
And so it depends on when you ask me.
I mean, if you ask me in 2020, I was sober for the entire year.
If you ask me on any given month, I could be sober for that entire month.
Ask you on Grammy's weekend.
You're like, maybe I'm not.
No, but it's another struggle that I have to deal with as someone who really would like to be a representation of what it looks like to escape an underworld that a lot of people don't know exists, which is a terrible, terrible place and a terrible environment in this country.
We have a severe, severe, severe problem.
And the one thing about it is I've always been comfortable in my skin saying that I'm unfortunately slash fortunately not the perfect representation of just a last thought on it.
I believe that's actually a power for me.
I believe that people in recovery or that are looking at getting into recovery are sick of gurus.
They're sick of doctors.
They're sick of perfect examples of I'm at a meeting every day.
My life is this.
I do this, this, this, this, and this, because life is unpredictable.
And honestly, I'm not a believer of any kind of one size fits all approach to recovery.
And so that's kind of where I am.
I agree with that.
As someone who had a brother who deeply struggled with addiction, I think the word perfect, like perfect recovery is such a weird oxymoron, right?
Because I think there's no perfect situation there.
Like obviously you're living with some kind of trauma or something that is imperfect.
And so however you're going to make that work and make yourself function and be the best version of you, that's your perfect scenario.
I think you are so defensive about this, obviously, because you don't want to influence choices in other former addicts where they go have a drink and then fall off the wagon.
And then you feel responsible.
100%.
And I'm just making that clear.
Everybody's going to have their own journey.
And I think everybody, like no one can put their journey on anybody else.
That's exactly right.
And honestly, the struggles that I continue to have are, or, you know, ons and off periods, whatever you want to call it, are generally me continuing to try to work through trauma.
Yeah.
And I, I have a tremendous, tremendous amount of experience with trauma and ICUs and dead friends and anything you can imagine under the sun.
I've been cut open a thousand times.
I have severe, severe chronic injuries and issues, you know, everything under the sun.
And I've seen terrible fucking things.
And a lot of it, even before that, a lot of people start using drugs or abusing substances as an escape from something that they're dealing with even from their childhood.
And there was a moment in Euphoria, which I, which I love as a show.
I really, really love that show where am I drawing a fucking blank on Zendaya's name on the show.
But I think it's Rue.
Chronic Injuries And Empathy00:15:21
Oh, Rue.
Sorry, Rue.
No, I think you're right.
Rue.
I'm sorry.
Grammy's weekend, man.
No, Rue.
Where Rue has this has this like epiphany about the first time where she used opiates.
And she was like, it was the first time in my life where I finally felt safe in my mind.
And I related to that moment so much of this idea of all of that struggle with self-worth and anxiety and depression and all of that stuff that you carry with you feeling like, okay, now I found an escape only to then find out that it was everything but that.
And it was going to lead into the worst 10 years of my entire life on this planet.
So it's, you know, listen, it's just, it's all of us are on this journey together.
We're all just continuing to explore and do the best that we can.
And so I'm trying to be as responsible as I can with the storytelling, but more than anything, just continuing to tell that story because it has been really beneficial.
Yeah.
I mean, it's really interesting for me because I had a brother that was a big time addict and never really let our family know.
And my anti-drug was, I remember he was missing for like two, three years, basically, showed up out of nowhere and then sat me down when I was probably 14 or 15 years old and gave me like a history of everything that he had been doing.
And it was like traumatic just to hear, because he's like, you can never tell dad any of this stuff.
And just like all of he passed away at the beginning of COVID, my, my brother did, but like getting this like history and like graphic detail of like just awful situations like that lives in my head.
And you just see the power that opiates have over a person.
It's, it's, there's nothing really like it.
You know, I mean, there's, there's a lot of, you know, drugs and a lot of different addictions, but it's, it's.
I would know when he was using.
You know what I mean?
Oh, no.
Even just on the phone, when like, even when he was like off of it or like he would call me in a normal state, I could just tell by the way he was framing things.
I would be like, oh, hey.
For me, it's instantaneous.
I can, I mean, you can sit me in front of anybody.
I can tell you exactly what drugs are on.
I was, I was in that world.
I mean, this, this world that exists and back to Jeff, and another reason why I do relate to him, because he's another person that has seen that side of this world.
I think like this, a lot of times, and this is not a dig at anyone, but the creator set generally tends to be like a pretty good.
They're young kids who miss millions of people.
They're sheltered.
They don't even, they don't, oftentimes they don't come from a background where they like fully formed like identities through normal struggles that every random individual has in their day-to-day.
And they just go from like being some random dude that doesn't have a lot of friends to just becoming this like super famous person.
Yeah.
And then every single interaction that they have after that, it's always going to be because they are who they are and what they bring to the table is going to be like their fame and fortune.
So you can't, in my opinion, you can't make like, you can't shape your identity around that.
And I think there, and I think the biggest thing that the biggest loss for an identity that is simply rooted in, you know, child stardom or this, this bubble that we, you know, play in is empathy.
And it's, and it is something that I, it is something that I, oh my God, dude, it drives me crazy, bro.
I, I, I, I feel so deeply when I see people hurting, dude.
Like, because I know so intimately what it feels like to be at the end.
Yeah.
I lived there for so long, bro, to, to a point where I was sure that I was, that this was what my life was.
There was no future.
It was just, this is how my life went.
This is how I, how I lived.
And, you know, I, I, my mom sat by the phone every night waiting for the call.
Like, yo, your son overdosed or was shot to death in a deal gone wrong.
Like that was my life.
And so when I see these people who are struggling, homelessness, addiction, even the more, you know, what you would call like rudimentary struggles of like, of like have not, you know, not having a strong family structure or support system, that it, it, it hurts me.
It actually hurts me in my fucking heart, dude.
Like I feel that shit.
And you, and, and I'm not asking for that.
I'm not asking for that like direct lineage of empathy through this like shared extreme struggle, but it's so hard to see these people that are just muted do it.
They are so disassociated from any sort of desire to make someone else feel okay.
When I know someone's hurting, that stops me my track, dude.
Like I want to help you fix that problem.
Now, this is also created another issue for me because if you go through my DMs, it's all day.
Yeah.
They send their suicide notes to me.
Yeah.
And it's a lot to deal with, bro.
It's a lot of pressure to do that.
I do.
Trust me.
I know.
I'm sure you guys are.
Well, we're Twitch Rumors.
So that's like, you know, that comes with the Twitch chats.
DM and Twitch chat.
Yeah, exactly.
They're out here ruining Immaculate Friday vibes on a regular basis.
Go on, cutie.
This might be a bit of a loaded question.
And feel free to like, maybe, maybe.
I'll get his ass.
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
It's not.
Stab him in the chest right now.
It's not really sad.
So keep your shit together.
No, I just wonder as a family member of someone going through this, what can you do?
I think like, for example, my, my mother was addicted to opioids and we didn't realize for a really long time until it was like pretty much too late.
And so I'm curious, like, once you do realize, how do you, what's the best way as an addict for like someone that loves you to approach you, if that makes sense.
So the question that you're asking right now is like what would be considered like the million dollar question.
Yeah, of course.
And it's unfortunately like very complex because you've got two schools of thought, right?
You've got tough love and you've got coddling, right?
And my belief is that the answer probably falls somewhere in between the two.
But coddling never worked for me.
And it wasn't until my probation officer told me after a dirty urine, tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. I need you to show up at SCRC clinic in New Haven, Connecticut and start a detox program that will then basically lead into rehab.
Or you can come to probation and you will serve out your five-year suspended sentence.
Those are two options.
And I said, that urine is wrong.
You're wrong pitch.
That's my brother.
She said, she's, well, it's addict mentality.
She said, and she said, you're not hearing me.
Tomorrow morning, 10 a.m.
I Ellen, listen to me Ellen, stop slow down.
There's been a lot going on in my home life.
I'm I okay, I used again.
I'm i'm, i'll fix it.
I'll, 10 a.m tomorrow, make a decision, hung up the phone go Ellen Ellen Ferrari Milford Connecticut, Probation.
Oh yeah, next day I was at SCRC five days puking shitting, getting off methadone, getting off heroin, getting off crack cocaine, zan.
I was prescribed 90 milligrams of xanax a month and 31 days after that I was at Connecticut Valley Hospital rehab.
I got out and I never used drugs again.
Wow, and I owe my life to her and and my family for the support and that's, and that's honestly so.
To answer your question, it's a difficult answer um, because I think it will be semi-dependent on the person.
Some people just really need that love.
I think me, as this rebellious like boy, I needed to to get punched in the face by reality um, but but regardless, I think the support needs to be there.
I think I think the one thing you see, the recurring theme that you see in this country, with both mental illness and addiction, is that the people who truly don't get better are the ones that can't find any resource of support.
Yeah, of course, and it we are in a broken system and I, and the saddest I feel is for these people who are on the streets with no one yeah, who have served their country, who have, who have been civilian, have been good citizens and have fallen victim to this epidemic that is, you know, Pharma Sponsored, whatever you want to call it, and now have no one.
They have no family, they've been deserted.
The system has forgotten about them.
I call them the forgotten ones and they're everywhere and it is.
It is extremely sad, extremely sad.
Yeah, the hardest part for my family and I is like an addict will lie.
Yeah, they'll lie their fucking ass.
I had a.
So so my brother Bobby, like unfortunately, my family enabled him in a big way oh, and like the big one for him was he said this is like i'm, i'm on earth in it, but like he would always say he was fixing his teeth and he would ask my parents for money to fix his teeth, so they'd give him like 20 grand at a time.
Oh wow yeah, so he got.
He had the.
Yeah he, that was the original rug.
Pull right there.
Yeah, he said he was working on this crypto called Crypto Zoo.
Oh my god, he was the originator.
Who's the OG ZOO?
But uh, it's.
It's funny because like, just from the other perspective, like as a young kid, you carry this stuff just to everybody there.
I'm wearing Invisalign right now and part of that is because I never asked for my parents to fix my teeth, oh my god, because I was.
So that was that carried just so much.
Because the other thing is like my parents and I never really talked about it.
That was probably the worst thing we could do.
Right is that we wouldn't talk about it.
If it was ever like how's Bobby?
You'd be like, oh, you know when we should have been.
Like oh yeah, he's on smack.
You know what I mean.
Like, but it's so hard and I think that's gonna be the hardest part for you is like, want to help this person.
Oh, my mom's dead.
So well, I. I'm just saying for anybody who's listening, yeah, we'll just try to engage.
Yeah, too late on that one.
My brother is dead too.
Yeah, we can fix them.
We will fix them two in a row.
Okay, got me weekend yeah.
But it's also like for anybody dealing with this.
It's the question of like, how do I help this person?
Yeah, while still live a normal and sustaining life, because you're carrying way more of that shit around than you think, even if you're a well-adjusted dude like i'm fucking 33 years old.
I'm fixing my teeth now because when I didn't have money, I couldn't be like, hey mom dad I, because I knew they would be like, What are you doing there?
Well, but it's just like as a and like maybe we could, I don't know, switch to something more lighthearted.
But as I was talking about, like on a final note of where you guys are coming at it from, I, I just, I, the last three pages of the fifth vital, which is so strange for me to have climbed the second mountain that creators have to climb after getting rich before the first mountain.
I had no money when I put the fifth vital out and I achieved the impact that I needed to on this planet before I left.
Wow, that's amazing.
And so it's been, it's been an incredible ride.
But the last three pages of the book, in the last chapter, in the afterthoughts chapter, I had asked the rest of the team that I worked on it with to not touch that chapter.
Now, they had done a certain amount of proofreading, beta reading, editing, as they would, any publishing agency would.
And I said, please don't touch the afterthoughts chapter.
It's very important to me and very special to me.
And the last three pages of the book are letters that I wrote to three different groups of people.
One being a person who has never known addiction or mental illness.
And I basically say, wake up every day and cherish the radiance that your life is and apply that light as much as possible to anyone that you know that is going through it.
The second letter I wrote was to people that are family members.
And this was the hardest one for me to write because you guys are warriors.
You guys are absolute warriors.
And like, I cannot imagine watching a loved one go through that because I went through it.
And it was very tough for me to deal with.
And obviously, and I still struggle with that.
But the idea of there's always some sense of self and accountability and hope that exists within every one of us, even in our darkest times.
And that light gets very dim.
But for the most part, we all try to keep that light on, that little ounce of hope.
And I can't even imagine what it would be like to be you or to be you in that situation and to and to have to watch someone go through that.
And so it's, and so to anybody out there who's, who's, you know, watching a loved one, you know, I just, I, I can't even tell you the, the, the debt that we have to pay to you guys as a support system.
And unfortunately, it's a debt that we'll never repay.
You know, there's no way for us to pay that back.
But for the ones that are, are blessed and lucky enough or work hard enough or whatever you want to call it to get out of it, you guys are the reason why.
You know what I'm saying?
And so I like for what it's worth, you know, I, I, I, my hat's off to you guys.
And I, I, well, I can't even imagine what.
I think that's why I've always fucked with you so much is like the first time we met, you were just promoting Fifth Vital as it was, I think it was just coming out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, ultimately that's the coolest thing about you is a lot of people can, you know, go through addiction or go through a hard time, but you really carried it and you own it.
It's not some dark secret.
You put it on your sleeve and you have done a ton.
And I think that's why like, I think your radical empathy is different because I think we live in a time where there are vogue empathies, right?
There's groups of people that's really popular to empathize.
Yeah, yeah, right, for sure.
Oh, my God.
Go out there and it's the Yaz queens of the world.
And it's like, do you actually empathize with that person?
Do you actually care about that person?
Are you doing that for Twitter likes or whatever?
I think it is much harder to empathize with people who aren't in that vogue at it.
Homeless, you know, and I think you wear that.
And I think you're such a regular normal guy that that's why maybe some people have a visceral reaction to you because they're like, oh, you know, like, what the hell is this guy about?
Because their empathy is so performative and yours is so real that they don't understand that you can come at these things from a, like a, a not, you know, social media.
There's no win in it.
I mean, no one, no one, look, let me tell you this much, okay?
As someone who talks about both empathy and also is on the progressive side of the political spectrum, there is no more vicious feedback that I receive for any other issue outside of my, what Americans consider unorthodox views on rehabilitation over incarceration when I talk about homelessness and when I talk about convicts and their treatment.
Those are the two instances where like even a community that I've cultivated that is supposed to be open-minded and quote-unquote woke get incredibly vicious where they're like, no, they did something wrong.
And like, and that, that comes from the American carceral system and how it is a, it's, how America is like just this incredibly draconian culture where it's like, it's all about vengeance.
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Yeah.
It's never about like truly trying to understand what other people's struggles are.
And it's more like, you did something wrong.
You need to be punished immediately.
And these people have done something wrong.
And also on top of that, obviously, like we just see homelessness not as like as a symptom of the disease of the system that we exist under, but instead like a moral failing.
Same with addiction because that, you know, that makes it easier for you to feel more vindictive towards those who are actually fucked over.
Or at the very least, like detached.
Yeah.
And feel comfortable being detached from it.
That's such a funny like juxtaposition to have an audience that's like, yeah, fuck the police, fuck the police.
Unless you get caught and tried by them on every case.
No, Not everyone is like that, but like it is always shocking whenever, well, I guess it's not shocking anymore, but like I know as soon as I start talking about like, you know, convict rights, prisoner rights, like I know that a big chunk of my community even is going to have issues with that and they're going to.
Which is, which is actually wild to me just because of course there's.
Thank you, Marie.
Did you get yours?
All right, word.
Brat's working.
You were telling me about these burritos.
By the way, like...
I got you a bunch of different.
Where do you guys obviously like, because I'm versatile, where do you guys want to go today?
Like, where do you guys want this to go?
Because, because I have a Disneyland.
Do you want to maybe go to Disneyland?
Because we can just leave that.
Where we're going to go right now is probably end it on this note and then move on to the paywall portion of the broadcast.
And I'm going to show my toes on the paywall.
Oh, I can do that too.
I'll show you.
I actually have some old videos.
I know you have some, you've, what, Planter's Fasciitis or whatever?
Planters Fasciitis.
Bro, he is.
No, no, no.
His feet are busted, dog.
There's an account on Instagram called Hey Big Mike's Feet.
I'm not even kidding.
Which he may or may not be controlling on.
I got a taco sampler for everybody.
Sock account you're just posting.
I'm actually working with a orthotics specialist right now to handle this once and for all.
You're saving the world.
I know.
You're doing a good job.
He's doing a lot.
But hey, Big Mike, thanks so much for coming out.
What do you want to plug?
What do you want to promote?
Where can we find you?
You know, the night shift on YouTube, Impulsive, obviously, read the fifth vital.
I mean, we talked a lot about addiction and mental illness.
I mean, that's my greatest thing I'll probably ever do in my life.
And it's a bestseller.
It's a bestseller.
That's right.
New York Times snubbed me because it's a club, but I should have had that as well.
But yeah, I mean, other than that, just, I mean, instead of plugging anything, just please be nice to each other, dude.
Like, just so freaking, like, just do what you can to leave nice comments.
I might have to incentivize it financially soon.
I don't know how we do that, but just please be nice.
Just be nice to each other, dude.
That's it.
That's all I ask.
All right.
Hell yeah.
This was a banger episode.
Thank you.
And thank you so much, Cutie Cinderella, for coming.
Albeit, you're the new Will now of the podcast.
I know.
Will's here always on time.
Here you go.
I'm the Will.
Kitty Cinderella.
What?
How's your day, Ben?
You know what?
Do you want the tea?
Do you want some tea that's behind the bottom?
No that shit, bitch.
We have some paywall tea.
As we know, fake nudes of myself were leaked everywhere this past year.
Oh my God.
We're an injury.
We're the paywall.
I wasn't going to dodge those.
No, no.
I am a woman, a part of it.
I'm more than happy to talk about it.
And it sucks because, you know, there's, I feel like there's like levels of kind of how much you get hit by it.
And like Maya and Pokemon were like the number one, like they got hit the most.
But the issue was that Atrioch was a best friend of ours.
And so I've been.
Now you put that in the past tense.
Yeah, I did.
I did.
God.
Unfortunately, most of the chips aren't.
It's okay.
And so, so yeah, I put that in the past tense because the damage is just irreparable.
Like, I'm not kidding.
It's so irreparable.
No, no, no plugs.
But we're on a serious topic.
Yeah, no, it's not.
I'm being casual about it.
I don't think it's like...
What happened?
I want to strike.
My nudes.
I saw this, obviously.
Yeah.
I still enjoyed this.
Oh, so did everyone.
So did my Mormon.
No, no, sorry.
I didn't see it.
By the way, no, no, no.
No, I'm saying, like, that's how bad this was.
It wasn't a control thing.
That's not what I meant.
I saw the fallout from it.
Yeah.
And I'm just trying, I'm really just still, like everyone else, wrapping my brain around all of this and how it is also like a microcosm for this new situation that we're all dealing with with AI.
Like you literally are in the zeitgeist of like a conversation that is existing in a more mainstream perspective, but in a very personal and like intrusive way.
It's like very strange to me.
I'm going to share a few things.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
When I was at BuzzFeed, people made a lot of deep fake porn of me.
And I might sound old, but I just didn't get it.
Okay.
Like me photoshopped onto some rip gay porn star's body with a decent cock.
I was like, who gets off to this?
And I've never understood deep fake porn.
Like, I just don't understand it.
Yeah.
It doesn't do anything for me.
Yeah.
And beyond that, he's fucked a lot of porn stars.
Uh-huh.
I'm going to be honest.
You talking to me about this?
What do you mean?
And I don't know what to do.
I've fucked a lot of porn stars.
But once I met these women, I couldn't jerk off to them anymore.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Like, they existed as real people.
Like, like, and once I saw them getting, like, face fucked, I was like, God, I really enjoyed talking to her about, you know, souffle or whatever.
I really wish that we had talked about this on the non.
But this, because this topic is.
We might add it.
We might add it.
No, they know that for me is.
We can have a long episode.
Why not?
Okay.
So obviously, like, that is my second home, that space.
Like, I have, I've the Playboy Mansion.
Yeah, hung out.
Hung out with every adult star, and they're all friends of mine.
From Emily to Riley to obviously dated Lana for a long time.
And by way of them being in my content, i've.
I've now gotten a this, i've been on the receiving end of this like strange Pta Mom-esque ridicule that has started to exist on the internet where when you hang out with girls that do this type of stuff, it's it's Haram, it's it's you're, you're you're a terrible.
Info like this is all very new.
I grew up on Howard Stern.
I grew up on Hugh Hefner.
I grew up anti anti-sex work sentiment has always existed.
It's just you're You're humanizing adult workers, and that's why you're also bad.
The idea that they're bad has always existed, especially by hypocritical pieces of shit who love consuming it.
But now you're worst part.
Now that you are playing a role in humanizing sex workers, you're also bad.
But maybe he didn't have the availability or democratized way of getting that feedback.
But Stern wasn't given that type of feedback from people.
And by the way, the weirdest part of it is it's 19-year-old boys, like 19-year-old men.
Like, why are you...
So, but to your point.
I'm a big Stern fan.
Yeah.
I think part of that disconnect that you're experiencing is social media wasn't a thing.
Like, weird channel and like moms for against drunk driving or whoever hated Howard Stern.
Yeah.
Like the same parents that are coming after you, they just didn't have a Facebook page from which to watch.
No, but it was moms.
But it was moms.
That's what I'm saying.
And now there's been this weird where the dudes, this is what happens.
They literally go on pornhub.
They jerk off.
They throw the toilet paper away.
And then they go to the porn stars page that they just jerked off to and leave hate comments or go to my YouTube and be like, you're a scumbag for promoting this.
That's a place to buy now.
Bro, it is weird.
It's weird.
But anyways, back to your point.
I'm telling you, as a defender of sex work who has like both written about the subject matter, been interviewed on it, they do not stop.
You don't even know the depths of the mania, or maybe you do.
They'll just say, like, I talked about my experiences going to a brothel in Germany.
And this brothel was later, like, I went to the brothel when I was 20.
Okay.
It's a very famous brothel.
Prostitution is legal in Germany.
And I was talking about my experiences there to talk about like how different the systems are, right?
Were you in Hamburg?
No, it was Berlin, Artemis.
Artemis is a very famous one.
Yeah, no, Artemis is a very famous one.
And, you know, I've routinely had sex workers on my broadcast.
I've had my ex on my broadcast a lot.
And when I talked about the brothel, some fucking dickhead on Twitter was like, well, that brothel was rated in 2016.
What was it rated for?
Well, they claimed it was rated for sex trafficking, right?
But it was actually rated for tax evasion.
But it doesn't even matter.
But because I defend sex workers, because I talk about that stuff all the time, now, no matter where I go on the internet, motherfuckers will always, especially on TikTok, this is huge on TikTok and it's huge on Twitter.
People will constantly say, oh, well, you love sex trafficking people.
You love, you are engaging in the act of sex trafficking people.
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You even try to like, there's certain things that go around.
Dude, there's a community for everybody on the internet where there's a dude.
Who gives a fuck?
I'm talking about like, you know, hundreds of thousands of likes on a fucking tweet that says like, you sex traffic children.
What am I?
You know what I would do?
I would find out who made that video and make a video saying that they sex trafficked children.
Like, who gives a fuck?
Like, who gives a child?
You know what I would do?
I would find a child into sex trafficking.
Yeah, like, dude, like, who gives a fuck what people say?
You're right about that.
About that.
But i'm just saying like, the reason why they do it is because it's not because you're a bad person, it's because you're humanizing sex workers, and they considered that to be like really up, partially because of what Will said where like, a lot of people feel self-loathing for their actions because America is also aside from our draconian culture and attitudes.
We're very puritanical and also very patriarchal, like women, and what women can do to their bodies needs to be limited, needs to be controlled, Goes back to like old school Christianity.
And I want to re-vortex the origin on this one.
What women can do with their bodies or not do their bodies.
This is where we start.
No, I think it's fine.
I think this is a fine topic because part of what you said was actually, okay, so crazy enough, all this stuff happens.
And I, I get, I wake up to Ludwig getting off a phone call, right?
And Ludwig's like, oh, apparently Israel was looking at porn of Pokemon.
I got to go to the gym.
And I was like, what?
You know, like, I'm like barely awake, you know, and then I get, I get more phone calls and I get the whole story.
I get off and I'm sitting there processing it.
I'm like, it's not my body.
It can't.
The things that you're seeing where people are like, oh, it's not their body.
How much do they care?
And I'm like, okay.
Then I had therapy actually that day.
It was Mondays.
I have therapy Mondays.
Good time.
Great time.
And I go to my Twitter.
Yeah.
Therapy Monday, talking about Tuesday.
I go to my Twitter and I sit at my Twitter and I just had my D, I never, my Twitter DMs are never open.
I just had my DMs open because I was looking for panel members for my award show.
So I opened it up for people to send me their stuff or whatever.
And I was like, huh.
And I'm just like sitting there absorbing it.
And I click on my messages and it's just these videos.
And as soon as you see the video and they're so fucking real, as soon as you see them, your mind shifts like from saying, oh, that's not my body.
Why should I care?
To was I just, did I do that?
Like, am I that?
Did I do that?
Did you people have that?
Do you have a werewolf moment where you're like, I lost track of time?
Like, you just sit there.
Every woman that has been a part of this has kind of mentioned the same feeling.
Like, it reminds me of, um, like, I was molested as a child and it reminds me of that feeling.
Like, like the uncanny vibe.
Like, how did this happen?
Did I, what?
You know, and I'm like, oh.
And then my therapist thing pops up and I'm like, oh, boy.
Well, because the same, because the same thing exists, right?
Dance Therapy Monday.
How long you got?
It's because there's no consent.
You didn't consent.
There's no consent.
It's completely outside of your control.
And that's, that's kind of what the problem is, right?
Yeah.
And then so, so I go to, you know, I go to therapy and I'm talking to my therapist.
And she was like, the problem is of all this is kind of what you said, where he did not have a visceral reaction enough to exit out.
Because usually what happens, I've said deep fake porn pop up before, and you see it, and you're like, oh my God.
And you exit out and that's it.
And you move on.
The fact that he didn't have a visceral reaction shows that he purely saw this objectively, which is really fucking sad when you're a woman that exists in the space knowing that he had to scroll past pictures of me to get to those pictures that he, and it's like, man, so I'm just an object.
Like I'm, you know, and maybe his justification was it wasn't their bodies.
Whatever it was, it's just like, it's just so depressing and so sad.
But then, you know, I, yeah, I get out of therapy and I'm like, oh, this sucks.
And Ludwig's in meetings and he's taking care of all sorts of stuff.
And I'm just sitting there and I'm on the phone with Maya and we're just fucking trying to talk to it.
And I'm sitting there and I'm eating ramen noodles.
And they're spicy ramen noodles.
I'm sitting there and I'm like, this is crazy.
You know, she's like, I got to go process.
I'm like, same.
I hang up.
And then I just look at the DMs again and I see my body and I see the way it's supposed to look.
And I'm like, my body doesn't look like that.
Right.
Like how it should look like in this sexual way, like the way this is the male gaze, right?
So I'm looking at this.
It looks convincingly like my body, but it also doesn't because it's fucking perfect.
And I know my body's not fucking perfect.
You're perfect.
So, well, that's nice of you.
But you're sitting there.
You're sitting there and you're staring at this and I'm looking at it.
And for the first time in years, I went into the bathroom and I threw up my lunch.
Wow.
That's how bad it was.
And I'm being like so genuine.
That's how bad it was.
I sat there and I just slowly was like, I will never have that body.
I need to have that body.
Like, I want to just crush this.
It's just crushing.
Like, it sent me back.
Like, and I have pretty bad.
You know, I go to therapy.
We have problems.
But like, it's the first time I've thrown up a meal in years.
Years.
And it just set me back to like little like 20-year-old me just being like, I will never be good enough.
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Like, and it's just like, what the fuck?
Like, why, like, how?
And so then people saying like, how does it affect them psychologically?
I don't know why it's affecting us psychologically.
It's so visceral of a situation to, like, it's one thing for someone to say to you, oh, like, you're, you're fat or you're, or you're too skinny or you're too nervous.
You're so used to that.
Yeah.
But when, but when someone puts your face on what would be considered the optimal outcome for your body type, that's almost like this like really visceral reinforcement of what you should look like.
Yeah.
Like that, like, I get that.
And by the way, like, I could never, I know there's been a lot of sentiment towards men who have like discussed this.
And, and, and I'll, I'll almost in a way, like, double down on that a little bit.
I can't relate or understand at all here.
So, like, there's a lot of things in life that I just, when I, in these type of situations, I won't really comment on it because I don't know how you, I cannot even imagine what that feels like.
In another, you know, much lighter way, it was a big moment for hentai guys because you were the weirdos.
Now you're the alpha creeps.
And now everybody's like, that's ethical.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think hentai may be.
Ethical vegan hentai.
I think hentai may be more ethical.
Way more.
Oh, yeah.
I was thinking about this the other day as I watched this, like eight tentacle beast, like 14 foot cock, like you know, have sex and, um bro, there's no, there's no player in the game, it's just the animator.
Only the animator can really claim any kind of yeah, you know problem from it.
Maybe that's the direction we we move yeah, but in a back to the serious.
I think it, I think it's gonna, I think, beyond what it does to the individual, which is very it was nice to hear directly from you because uh, it's such a sincere problem.
I think, beyond that, it poses a really interesting question as to, in the future, what are people's like rights and agency over their visage, their face, their likeness, as we move deeper into Ai technology, deep fake technology, like how much of your image do you own?
Right, like there's.
There's a lot of really interesting cases, like the Emiru case.
Emiru showed up in league yeah right, like she was the inspiration for this character and you know, I obviously I think there was uh, I don't know the specifics, specifics of that case, but as we move into the future, like there are going to be a lot of these like uncanny or like likenesses used for reasons where you're like, wait a minute.
Did that creator have any kind of say on yeah, whether their face was used in this and that also?
That has happened with League before.
Too right, wasn't it like a, like an employee or something?
I think I don't know.
I remember something like that inspiration for Singed.
No One Plays League.
Okay, I do.
Yeah, I was the inspiration for Ergot.
So one thing, one thing i'll say, is that, like a lot of people also think one, That women are objects, obviously.
So that's like definitely part of that because they're like, you're an object of my sexual gratification.
I don't think about you as a human being.
I don't care about your feelings.
I don't care about your thoughts.
I'm just horny and I want to fucking do this thing, right?
So that's one reason.
And then it's additionally worse when you're also, you know, somewhat of an e-celeb, you know, even though we're on the lowest rung of the fucking celebrity scale.
It's just the reality, right?
Well, it's not, actually.
It's changing rapidly.
Not to put a pin in an incredible thing.
Well, regardless, like you're a celebrity, right?
So they, so people feel like you are supposed to just take it.
Oh, yeah.
They don't think.
What do you expect?
You're part of the internet.
Yeah, they don't think of you as like a human being.
They just think of you as this like random thing that you are there to consume.
Like not a real, not a real person.
But what a lot of people don't recognize is like the deep fake shit is very easily done to normal, you know, normies, civilian population, non-famous people all the time.
As a matter of fact, there was a case that I pulled up to showcase this where there was a guy, I think he was in Long Island or Rhode Island, one of the islands.
You know, one of those fucking places.
Dominican Republic.
So, yeah, he was deep faking girls, middle school and high school into pornographic scenes.
He went to jail.
He went to jail both because this was technically considered distribution of child pornography.
And he also went to jail because he was deep doing deep fake AI porn.
So it is not legal.
A lot of people don't understand that.
It's already immoral.
We'll move past that point, but it's also not really legal either.
Yeah.
So people need to recognize that.
I think it's going to be also increasingly interesting to see what happens as it pertains to deep fakes outside of the adult space and what you're able to convince people that someone has done.
Like, like, yeah, like you can, you can start, I mean, dude, they're going to start putting weapons in people's hands.
It's a very wild, it's a, it's the next Wild West.
And some people are calling it like the most, you know, clear and present danger as it pertains to truthhood that we are ever going to face.
Like, people get mad at people getting clipped out of context.
How about you get clipped in context now, but you didn't even do it.
You weren't even fucking there.
It's not, that's how the murder, that's not how the murder went down.
You didn't murder anyone, but guess what?
Now you did.
Like, it's crazy, bro.
My, my six-year-old dad, if he were to see that video, I would never be able to convince him I didn't do it.
And that's how that's the sad thing about all of this is that like, okay, Atrioch, morbid curiosity, sure.
Whatever.
Besides like seeing women objectively, blah, blah, blah.
The problem, like the biggest, biggest, biggest problem of all of this is that he platformed it.
And that's what is unforgivable to me.
Because now when you Google Maya Higa, who has spent 25 of her life, like years of her life for animal conservation, when you Google her, it says deep fake porn.
She spent her entire life on animals.
And that's what happens when you Google her now?
It's fucked.
Like it's so fucked.
Multiple of my family members have reached out to me for the first time since I've started this career saying they've seen this about me.
And that's what they see of my career.
I've worked so fucking hard and now they know me because of porn.
It becomes that misrepresentation.
And it's like, dude, I love sex work.
I just don't want to do it myself.
Yeah, that's very fair.
It's so sad.
It's like, God, if I, I could make so much money.
I'm sure maybe not so much.
I could make some money.
Katie, you got to do it.
But you know what I'm saying?
I'm just going to ask you to throw back the asking questions that like when you asked me one earlier.
Has there been any point where this made you feel more acceptable towards the idea of you doing it in the future?
Oh, yeah.
I was on the phone with one of the girls and I was like, it's just like, I was like, why don't I just start selling this?
Like, why don't I, I should just start selling, like, I'll sell the AI porn.
I'll just sell it of myself.
Might as well make some money off of it.
Like, claim it.
Yeah.
Just sell it.
That's hilarious.
Because I think I know, again, like, I know I was raised Mormon.
Sure.
So it's like, even me being okay with sex work, my whole family would be like, what the fuck?
For sure.
I'm not Mormon anymore, obviously.
But I just, it's just, oh, really?
Oh, really?
How dare you?
But it's like, I don't know.
Sex work is just not something I've ever personally been into.
And by the way, that's another.
So even after seeing it, it doesn't make me feel like, no, the gateway.
Gateway has been open.
And then you should have to explain that.
That's what I'm going to say.
That's another topic of discussion, too.
Why don't you want to be a mechanic?
Yeah.
It's like, all respect to mechanics.
It's a wonderful way of life.
I just never.
But that's another thing.
That's another topic.
Like, just because you, you can, you can even feel like sex work is, you can think it's not okay.
I don't even have that much of an issue with that.
That's, I don't have no, I have no issue with that.
Like you can have your belief, but that does not give you the right to then go and disrespect or demean or think less of the people who interact with the space.
Does that make sense?
Everyone's leading to an opinion for sure.
And I, and I back that completely.
Like.
Especially when their output is overarch, overwhelmingly positive.
It's like they're just making content that people are consuming.
And I see it as in no way, shape, or form any different as long as it's done ethically.
I don't see it as anything different than like watching a fucking movie.
But because there's like real sex happening on screen, people just like lose their fucking minds.
Well, listen.
Can't see it that way.
They're like, no, it's different.
Well, yes, correctly, correct.
What you just said, because it's because this idea that it's real.
But if you think about what you just said, they're completely against the idea of people having sex, make love, whatever you want to call it on screen.
But the idea of watching someone carry out a mass shooting on screen is completely fine.
And they'll say, you don't know how dangerous sex is.
It's desensitizing the youth.
It is creating an unrealistic expectation of what needs to be done in the bedroom.
But then they'll go watch a movie about a warrior who murders a city when we have a massive violence problem in this country.
And so the double standard that exists alongside the fact that porn continues to be the largest industry consumed by the people who are angry about it.
Yeah.
It's just a, it's a, it's a cluster fuck.
And I think to the point that you're just, it's a constant struggle with masculinity, with democratization and women's ability to make money.
There's so many factors at play.
And I will say this last statement on that will cover a lot of things that we talked about.
The internet loves to simplify extremely complex situations.
We are in a headline culture.
Everybody wants to know via TikTok or tweet what is happening.
This is complex.
This is very complex.
It deals with religion, industry, women's rights, men's rights.
So the idea that you can make a blanket statement that is one sentence long to cover the adult industry, which is a $150 billion annual industry bigger than the MLB, NBA, and NFL combined is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It is a conversation that we're now having.
Yes, but again, it doesn't matter because our social conditioning is so powerful.
And if you were brought up in a super puritanical environment, it's very difficult for you to like.
If you're brought up in a patriarchal, puritanical environment, you do not fucking see women as, you know, as consenting actors in any meaningful capacity.
And you certainly don't like it when they take matters in their own hands and make money off of doing porn, even if you consume it yourself.
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You turn around and you feel shameful by that consumption.
And you lash out and you think like, you know, you just, you think that this is acceptable and appropriate to just shit on women like that.
I'm going to say the most controversial thing that has happened during this podcast.
Well, that burrito was mid.
The chips were fired.
Disagree.
Disagree.
Was waiting until we got off the heavy topic.
Mine may be better.
My specific one may be Hassan.
Provided we have not talked about food today.
I'm happy to keep talking about the adult stuff because there's so much more meat on that bone.
As someone who has lived in that industry and I wanted to talk about the humanization factor of it a little bit, that burrito was very...
My burrito was very good.
The steak was very tender on it.
Usually your racks, you got them fat boy racks.
They're serious.
Yeah.
The problem is...
Don't say the names yet.
What are you doing?
Don't leak it.
Beep.
Bleep that out.
The problem is I think it's very far away, the restaurant.
So even if I get priority, it gets cooler over that distance.
You know what my food thing is, obviously, right?
Butter on toast.
That was.
Wait, you love butter on toast?
Okay, so I'll allow that.
That's actually the reason.
We connected about that.
From an OG standpoint, you just made every night shift fan so happy.
So I originally, every show that I did, I had buttery toast.
And now you're a burger guy.
There you go.
Perfect.
Hey, I'm on the motherfucker.
Damn.
So I have the most viewed weekly burger review on the internet.
What a random thing.
Okay.
And so every week I go and I on my YouTube channel, every episode I put out a new review of a different burger place.
First, if you don't bring me on one, you're a coward.
Whatever you want.
You are, I would be honored, dude.
Second.
I would love to have a bunch.
How would we feel about Shake Shack?
I give it an 8.
It's at an 8 flat now.
Out of the Triad, it's number one.
I have it above.
I have it above five guys.
I have it above In-N-Out.
This guy fucks.
I just like what they create.
So what I like to think of when I think of burgers is that the ultimate burger creates a concoction in your mouth that is a mush of several of the ingredients coming together into this beautiful paste almost, right?
Way to sell it.
Oh, I know.
Concoction of mush guys.
So basically, you take a very buttery potato bun, it mixes with a very fat, greasy meat and an American cheese and a sauce that creates a concoction.
And I think that Shake Shack does the best job from the triad standpoint for those three, right?
Now, trilogy, sorry.
Now, it's nowhere close to the best burger in the world, which all of them are here in LA, which is crazy.
Wow, that's convenient.
What's your number one story?
I'm trying it.
I'm trying it out, Will.
Go for it.
What's your number one stock?
So ironically, before the reason I was late today was because I was uploading on YouTube and the upload from today has my new number one in it.
Wow.
San Antonio, Texas, a place called Last Place Burger.
Ironically, is in first place.
It's called Last Place Burger.
Took over the W from two Los Angeles spots, which were kind of neck and neck.
Burger Shirow on Beverly.
Very good.
Fantastic.
American Wagyu Smash Burger, double patty, Oklahoma with onions on a potato bar on a sweet Hawaiian bun.
Now, Oklahoma is where you put the onions in the patty before you flip.
So both raw.
Yeah.
So their Oklahoma.
Fuck yes.
Dare Oklahoma has both.
I went to culinary school and you guys know way more than I know.
But I think there's a place called For the Wind on Franklin.
For the Wind.
Fucking.
Ooh, I've seen it.
I've never heard of it.
It is so good.
But I mean, dude, LA, dude, is like...
I mean, you've got Window, you've got Heavy Handed, which was a truck and now is a brick and mortar.
You've got Love Hour.
Herves does a great job.
Fuck with Herbs.
You've got a lot of good burgers.
Burger King.
Burger King.
King of Burger.
Actually, I'm going to keep it.
The worst burger.
I'm going to keep it apart.
KFC started a burger.
I had a Burger King burger because we did a general fast food burger taste test, right?
Eight and out, shake shack, blah, blah, blah.
And we were going through them.
And I was like, uh-oh, here comes Burger King.
Don't know the bunch.
Absolutely.
Who's on track?
Who's wrong?
It's so mid, bro.
Like, compared to Pinch's?
Are you shitting me?
That can't hold Pinch's jockstrap.
I don't know why.
I'm just really like...
Maybe I was hungry.
I'll tell you why you really like it in a second.
What's I even talking about?
Burgers.
Burger King.
Oh, yeah.
Burger King?
Sneaky good.
Sneaky good.
I thought it was going to be big dog shit.
In Europe, Burger King is like a gourmet restaurant.
Like, they have this thing.
Oh, that's nice.
They have this thing called the long chicken there.
It's like a chicken sandwich.
In Germany.
I'm like proud of Burger King.
Oh, yeah.
Can I please have long chicken?
So, listen, nice burger interlude.
Just lasting on the adult stuff.
Yeah, let's get back into it.
We don't have to go too deep.
Too deep.
Talking about chatophanes.
But you mentioned the humanization factor.
And I have girls on adult or sex workers in my content constantly.
I mean, pretty much every other episode is either Skybury or Emily or, you know, obviously my channel.
As much as Logan gave me a platform, when I met Lana, I had 220,000 subscribers on YouTube.
When me and her broke up, I had 2.5 million.
Like it was, it's dramatic night and day, like crazy, right?
And a lot of them think that it's going to be this massive influx of new subscribers and new this and new that.
It in fact works more in the direction that you described.
Wow, that's interesting.
Holy shit.
I now know this girl.
I know her family.
I know where she's from.
I know what she likes to eat.
I know what she likes to do.
I cannot watch her do a gangbang now.
So I watch her.
That's interesting.
Yeah, because they episode after episode.
I guess I treat the artist differently than everyone else.
Okay.
I have no qualms consuming this content.
Well, they don't want you to.
I was a big me and Malcova guy.
I was a big member.
I've never had her until.
And then I hung out with her a bunch.
We hung out with her.
I did escape rooms with her.
I love the girl.
I kissed her on the mouth.
She's been in a lot of content.
And then I went back, you know, my bookmarks.
And I was like, well, this has got to go.
Right, right, right.
I can't do it.
You were early.
Oh, I was early.
I forgot about that because we're like such good friends.
Like me and Malkova now.
I literally one day was like, oh, yeah, you play a lot of World of Warcraft.
She's like, how do you know that?
I was like, well, when you're right now, you mention.
But yeah, now that I know her, it's like, I literally can't go back because she's like such a good friend of mine.
You know what it is?
I think it's almost kind of like if I were to know an actor, right?
And let's say I know the actor who plays Joffrey in Game of Thrones, right?
What a fantastic antagonist.
What a fantastic villain.
If I've had coffee with him, if I've sat down with him, even when he's doing his like, Bring me my wine.
Oh, he's actually a great guy.
So that's believable.
It's the same thing for porn rum.
Like, oh, this is so, this is a performance.
Well, I made a statement.
Well, I made a statement that pissed a chunk of the industry off because I've always been like the, I would say like me and Adam.
Obviously, Adam has like, he does videos, and I don't produce adult content.
I mean, I do, but it's just not on the internet.
Adam.
22.
Oh, yeah.
And so I made a statement.
Recently, and if I say something like dramatic about the industry, they'll always like bring it up.
But I said that a lot of uh, a lot of the girls, they're not super, they're not as turned this is no secret no, they're as like turned on by the situation that you're watching, as they claim to be.
Yeah, a lot of it is.
People were upset about this.
So listen, so listen, I know it's not like a secret, but it's.
I'm gonna blow your mind.
No, it's extremely performative, it's extremely and, by the way, David Blaine, not actual magic.
It's actually weird too because, as someone who knows how performative it is, when they try to bring that performative shit to my bedroom, like in real life, I'm oh, I'm like, no, please stop, please stop.
Like you don't.
You don't have to tell me that you want to drain me, you don't have to tell me that you don't.
I know that's why you're here.
I know like actually, now that you've said that I don't really want you to be here, like I just want to hang out with you having time, like I don't want you to drain me, don't need to do that or talk about it like that yeah one, it is very.
One eye-opening moment, for me at least, was like when, when my ex was like she just wanted to do missionary, like that's her favorite, that's what she always wanted to do and and it's like it's it's so much more personal and you're like looking into, you know, you're looking into one another's eyes.
It's like way more personal and it's funny because everyone always like missionary sucks.
You know what I mean.
Everyone's like I fuck, missionary sucks position.
It is yeah, the position now now.
So no, I disagree.
I know I need more therapy, but I hate intimate.
No, but listen well.
Well, that you said this is a whole thing in one sentence.
Yeah, I mean it's it's but, but it's not just that too.
If you look at it mechanically now from a you'll, you will meet a lot of girls that sorry to get.
So no, you're fine.
Like in depth, you'll meet a lot of girls.
She talks about her gripper all the time.
Okay, what do they say on tick tock?
Now, what do they say like bubblegum pink?
Oh, i'm sorry when we have.
Oh, we're not allowed to, we're not allowed to say that in front of my dog just got off a deep fake.
That's not.
I'll say I watched some of the deep fakes and a lot of them were a little too.
Just kidding, i'm just saying she does though, I do, i'm fine no I, I she's.
She says she has no gaggers, she's the throat, she's just.
By the way, the funniest part about this is she has never talked about it in like sexual terms, but instead in like factual tick tock, like tiktok terms, no no literally no no no, look no, hyper medical like yeah, her situation is medical.
Oh okay, is that?
Yes, it's like christmas, but with a pussy, let's go, let's go.
She's vaginous and like what was it like?
Yo, that deep fake is looking loose.
As this is such a bad, what is it?
What is the reason why you, Without sedation?
so I had to.
She trained her throat.
I had to literally train my throat so I could get it without sedation because I'm so afraid of sedation.
I like to make fun of her and act like she's talking about how she has a fucking anyway.
I'm gonna let the throat go.
She's just saying, it's a medical girl.
So, but I can pick up anything.
But there, but there are like a lot of girls, like a lot of girls who want to be on top to finish, right?
It's like it's generally more conducive to the internal or literal stimulation as well as stimulation based on like rubbing on your stomach or just the G spot and how it hits that G spot in the back.
But missionary style is a very versatile position.
It gives you a lot of options.
I know.
I'm telling you, if I am not pouring sweat at the end of sex, I feel good.
You can do that from missionary.
You know what I feel like?
I feel like that sounds like a lot of work.
I'm going to tell you some deep trauma.
You do shit.
If it's like very quiet, like I feel like a cook.
No, have fun, bro.
Have fun.
Make jokes.
No, it's like, no, you're weird.
No, make jokes.
I feel like the, you know what I feel like?
That's the best time to sneak out and make a little sandwich for yourself.
What do you mean?
I feel like I feel like Kevin James.
I feel like the husband in a 90s sitcom who is like much less attractive than his wife and she just placates him with sex, right?
She's like the whole like Al Bundy, like, can I please have a little sex?
Sex?
Yeah.
I hate that.
I hate that too.
I am a fucking silverback gorilla.
When we fuck, we go to war.
Dude, you need to put out a video.
This might be too much of a question because I know your girlfriend, but what is your average?
Like, what's your average?
We don't have sex that much.
Okay.
I was going to say, because that sounds like a fucking, you couldn't do that every day.
No, I've kind of put it behind me.
Oh, okay.
Should have put it behind me.
Now he's sad.
But I feel, yeah, I feel gross.
That's so interesting.
I think psychologically that comes from a performative spot too.
I think you're oh, yeah.
Well, can I do it there?
Growing up as an ugly kid, fat kid with a fat cock, that was such a place of like comedy.
Like, yeah, when I, when I, when I pull my dick out, it'd be like, oh, good for you.
I see, I see, I see.
So a lot of my self-worth came from being able to lay dick down.
You know what I mean?
I see.
I wasn't.
Yours is laying dick down.
Mine was bringing cupcakes.
Hey, you got to get it where you fit in.
Yeah, you got your things.
I didn't know I was going to be getting such like an intimate like revealing.
Oh, yeah.
We're going to talk about selling yourself.
This is great.
Behind the paywall is awesome.
Yeah, I'm making the executive decision.
We're going to put this as a free episode so everybody can see what's behind the paywall.
I'm willing to donate some money to make it so you guys don't lose anywhere else.
They're rich.
They're fine.
Yeah, I like the idea of it all going out to the people.
It's fine.
I like democratization, dude.
This is a fun.
Yeah, it's for this is we're making the decision, but it's March the money that March is making, really.
Right.
Yeah.
He said it's he said it's fine.
Um, he's gonna suffer one week.
It's fine.
The reason, well, the reason I brought up all the Atriarch stuff is this is this was while I was like the tea is because today I've been texting his wife.
Oh, and I had to tell his wife that I'm no longer interested in having any sort of relationship with either of them.
Because what do you do?
What do you do?
What do you do?
Is there a route back for them or I don't know.
I think what's frustrating is because I had to do it's just like so angry, anger inducing.
Because like the first thing he did was go live and apologize to his stream.
Apologize to any of the women.
He follows his fucking stream and it's like, what are you doing?
Yeah, that apology was definitely a marketing Monday.
Definitely emotional.
You know he's thinking and it's hard because we've been friends with this guy for years and i'm not good marketing.
Can I, can I ask a really difficult question?
Yeah, that's a very human question.
Uh-huh, that's fine.
I like this is kind of like a Christ like.
Does sin happen in the mind or does it happen in the action?
If Atrioch had jerked off, uh-huh to the thought of these women or to their like instagram dude, I don't know, is it?
Is it as bad as the act of actively pursuing deep fake porn?
Yes, it's.
It's worse.
When you pursue deep fake porn 100, I would say, yes yeah, it's definitely worse.
But we could call my dad he's in the Bishop Brick if you want.
You could tell him.
Imagine he'd be like, oh, very difficult ethical question about deep fake porn.
No no no, I think I think again, like I said, I think I could forgive uh, if he would have like called me on a tuesday and he's like, hey, I looked at this three weeks ago.
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I'm so sorry.
I think I could find a place and like I could forgive him for that.
But the problem is that the platform and the wildfire that it's spread is just like it feels so unrepairable at this point and also me being like, like I jump and i'm a, I want to fix stuff.
So I jump into action, even though i'm crying.
I get all these girls that were as many as I could and I like damming them, asking if they're okay.
And i'm telling Atriarch, i'm like, I know this company because I used to pay a company that cleans the website websites for photos of you, and i'm like you, I.
I said to him, I said you are paying for every single girl to get clean.
I said i'm like you're doing this.
80 to 100k have that kind of bread.
I don't care.
That's how I feel I.
I genuinely don't care, because he caused the harm.
He has to fix it.
But the problem is is like finally, I got to this point and then, like you know, he apologizes and he sends me an apology.
I said why the fuck are you apologizing to me?
You haven't apologized to Poke, you haven't apologized to Maya, and I said why the fuck do I keep telling you what to do?
This is like you can't say you're sorry if you're not doing fucking anything without me telling you to do it like i'm done.
I can't keep helping you.
This is a devil's advocate.
I agree with everything you say.
Yeah, he never intended to be the Typhoid Mary Of Deep Fake, of course.
Yeah, of course he didn't want to be.
I think I think we go back into the classic intent versus execution conversation.
This is such a this is such a big conversation these days, especially on the internet and like we know how law looks at it, but like we're still very much all exploring.
We're talking about morality of the situation, I know that, but we're all very much exploring together, like this idea of like intent versus execution.
What, what is the, what's the split?
I think intent, I think intent only matters uh well, they both matter.
Uh, when it comes to restitution, like when it comes to uh acknowledgement of what you've done and if you truly are someone who is better than uh your actions or in your weakest moments, I think they're both important from the perspective of like, what can you do to make the situation better?
How can you offer restitution to the victims?
How can you undo some of the harm that you've caused, whether intentionally or unintentionally?
You know what I mean.
That's, that's it.
I think it's nice because he I mean he could have just said no, he wasn't going to pay it right, he could have said that, so at least he's, he's going to pay it.
But it's just like it's so frustrating to have to be like okay.
So now I want to sue the guy.
So I've talked to three different lawyers trying to figure out how to sue the other guy.
They're telling me, not worth your time.
Fuck.
So now the only thing that I can do is try to create legislation.
So now I have to meet with my state legislator to try to get a bill passed.
I'm working on that.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I found my state legislature.
I'm going to get it.
Not through your state legislator, but because in California, deep fake porn is already illegal.
Oh, really?
Yes.
In Virginia and California, deep fake porn is already legal, illegal.
I am talking to AOC right now about I could cry.
That's so sick.
I think the other thing.
About more federal legislation?
Yeah, like what can be done through the legislative body.
I think the other thing, and this kind of goes without saying, but we do have a younger audience.
If you are a young man, have questions about this shit.
Listen to women and see the real impact that it has on real people and try and remove yourself from the parasocial element of it and listen to these people and listen to them tell you that it's harmful.
And, you know, it's not, don't listen to the takes out there that they're, they're public people, blah, blah, blah.
Listen to the women that it actually affects and you'll learn a lot.
I think the really hard thing about it is like the reason I went live crying was because I get that so often.
People being like, why does it affect them?
I'm like, let me fucking show you.
I'm also the last person who wants to hate this guy.
I'm the last person who wants to dislike him.
He is one of my boyfriend's best friends.
He's only ever been so kind to me.
I love spending time around him.
If anything, I'm ostracizing myself more from my boyfriend's friends because now I don't want to be around him.
I don't want to, I don't want to hate this guy.
I really don't.
I've loved him for years at this point.
I'm devastated.
And it's like, what do you want me to do though?
Like, how do you move on from that?
I don't know.
And maybe eight months from now, you know, emotions settle and something, but I don't see it happening.
It's just like, I just can't believe the shit that it's caused.
Like, it's just so much.
It's been a big story for the past.
It's like infidelity.
You know, even if you forgive someone, it's going to live in your mind.
Well, yeah.
And the interesting thing is, is there's all these media outlets that reached out to all of the girls involved saying, hey, do you want to do an interview?
A lot of the girls are like, I don't want to do an interview because I don't want to further the narrative that I'm a part of this.
That makes sense.
But also without us doing interviews, without more political outcry, then you don't get bills.
You don't get legislation passed because politicians don't have the motivation, right?
So it's like I'm sitting here and I'm looking at this double-edged sword.
Okay, I can take all interviews and there are very well-known media outlets that are asking to interview me.
And I have like 12 interviews that they want me to do.
I mean, I can take all of these and I can further my name in this, or I could just get it to shut the fuck up and stop the Streisand effect and stop people from doing it.
Like just shut up.
I could just shut up.
And when it's almost impossible to like take every website down, you have to make that calculation in your mind where you're like, do I really want to keep promoting this concept even so that other people are motivated to make more?
There needs to be more deep fake porn of legislators.
Yeah, maybe that'll get us.
The fact that you just said that, I can't even imagine what's going to come up.
I think like I want a Mitch McConnell gang bang.
You know, this might already be, by the way, this is parody.
I'm being funny.
Please don't do this.
You're going to jail.
I'm not even.
I'm not even really on this show.
When they deep fake Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham on Lemon Party on the Lemon Party, you were, isn't it Lemon Party?
The oldest party.
I love lemon parties.
Sucking each other off.
Oh, dude.
Yeah, but I wouldn't be so sure that that was a deep fake.
No, that could just be that could be.
This is hyperbole.
This is parody.
I think one of the cheesiest quotes I've like ever seen in life, but it is true where it's like, my, probably my better option for my own career is just to shut up at this point.
And it's like this silly quote that I've seen before that it's like, a woman's like, the first time a woman bleeds isn't between her legs.
It's when she's biting her tongue.
And it is, it is.
It's so exhausting.
Who said that, Taylor Swift?
It was Taylor Swift.
She said, fuck you.
You have the doormat of it now.
Well, I think what you, I think what you're going to have to do is measure impact on yourself, your life, and your career, and the impact that you can have on a million other people.
And that's what I'm doing.
That's the sad thing.
I am going to take all the interviews.
I have like a whole day.
And that's the other thing: I have to talk about this stuff.
Oh, my God.
I have to talk about this stuff for hours.
Right?
Yeah.
And it's like, but majority of the girls, a part of it, declined because they can't.
It's like swatting.
And I don't blame them.
It's like swatting.
You don't want to talk about it because the more you talk about it, the likelihood of it happening to you, it gets a lot more likely.
It's just, that's just what it is.
I make it a point to never talk about it until someone is openly deciding to reveal their stories.
And even then, I don't talk about my experiences.
Maybe I have.
Maybe I don't.
You'll never know.
It's like this almost like this digital manifestation.
Like you talk about it and it's a permanent fixture.
Just like objectification of women and deep fake porn or come tributes or a million different ways that like women are fucking constantly being objectified on the internet.
Dude, come tributes.
Oh my god.
No, but come tribute.
I know for a fact I don't even know what they are to be honest.
Sometimes I like wiped off a true.
I know for a fact you've, I mean, look, Reddit refused to take these things down for the longest fucking time.
Luckily, now I know.
That's why I was bringing it up.
I don't play in that space.
That's a sandbox y'all can have.
We don't want to.
I don't go to that fucking place.
I don't want it.
Yeah, it's awful.
No, it's great.
It's the worst place ever.
It's great that you're not visiting.
You can definitely rally a cool community there for sure, but it seems just so fucking degenerate, dude.
This is a retrose titties.
Like, he's talking about a specific type of boob.
Yeah, it's oddly specific.
It's oddly specific out there.
It's like the hill, the retrosay titty.
Oh, a teardrop boob.
Very specific.
Yeah, it's very special.
Judy is looking at Will with.
I was trying to, well, I was envisioning a teardrop boob, and I don't really know if I know what it looks like.
I think I do when they're kind of like pointy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's you like them.
In Ireland, it's known as a prim-looking stargazer.
Oh, oh, yeah, prim-looking stargazer.
You know, there's a boob for everyone out there.
I like all boobs.
I've always been more of a fan of the Idaho potato.
Whenever it's just busted up, I don't fucking know, dude.
That just came out bro.
This guy is sneaky as fuck.
He keeps doing this.
Random shit.
You know, it's not a pickle.
Pickle-baited stargazer.
It's just a boob that's been rubbed in some dirt.
Yeah.
I love that.
Put some sour cream on top of it.
Anyway, there was more I wanted to talk about.
You're talking about swatting and you talk about it.
No, no, no.
I mean, yeah, no.
The point I was trying to make is that, like, whether you talk about it or not, it's just definitely going to happen regardless.
Yeah, it is.
Just like swatting.
But when you talk about it, the likelihood that it will happen more aggressively is, you know, it just amplifies.
One of the worst takes I saw on the internet is someone was like, well, these girls are upset because they're just insecure sexually.
And it's like, okay.
So we are.
Yeah, so yes.
That's what I was saying.
It's like an empty.
So if we are insecure sexually, why are we mad at someone for being insecure?
Right.
Is that crazy?
No, because that's minimizing it.
It's making it seem like it's not.
You're right.
It is minimizing it, but it's still like, why are we still bullying someone for having issues?
Because then they're saying you're crying and you're like, you shouldn't be.
I'm going to be honest.
I think that's the wrong take because I think I know women that do sex work that would probably be upset if they saw a deep fake of themselves.
Yeah, that's fair.
Because, of course.
Because it's like, wait a minute, that's my livelihood.
You're stealing from me.
Which deep fakes do.
That's someone's body.
I should have had that $15.
Right.
They're stealing.
Well, they're not only standing on the body.
I would like you, but the person whose body it is.
They didn't sign up to be a part of a DJ.
I'll speak.
I'll shit.
I'll spill them.
Oh, yeah, no, you didn't.
I didn't even think about that.
Oh my god.
Wait, that's actually so sad because the girl with that body, she probably like sees my face.
Yeah.
And she could think the same thing.
Maybe she has the same effect, too.
She's like, damn.
I wish I had Rosatia.
Damn, there's a headache.
Damn.
They put the throat goat's face on my body.
Yeah, what the fuck?
So there's just like a fucking headless victim out there.
Yeah, there's just yeah, I don't know.
Well, some of the girls, you could tell exactly whose body it was.
Mine, I don't know whose body it was.
Wait, was it?
Oh, some of them are like mashups.
No, no, you can just tell if they have like a unique body.
You called it a mashup.
Or if it's like a famous DJ Grant.
Bro, I have to understand certain a certain part of this, all of this, whether it's this conversation or any of the other conversations.
Dogs, you say you don't go on Reddit.
That's why you have no idea.
Bro, a lot of this shit is how willing are you to embrace the current chaos that we call civilization?
Bro, like, like, bro, this shit is getting crazy.
Like, when I wake up in the morning and I and I look at like the things that are happening around me, sometimes I'm just like, you kind of just have to just like take a look around.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, like, yo, wrap your hand around the fucking reins, throw one hand back, and just ride that shit, bro, because this shit's getting crazy.
Like, dude, they could have to.
Get back to the balloon, Mike.
You know, you want to say that.
I was exactly going there, bro.
I was just about to say that.
You know, you want to say it.
I was just about to say it.
There's a Chinese balloon.
There's a Chinese balloon floating over my secrets.
Those are our heat signatures.
Yeah.
Bro, that's exactly what I was going to say.
It's such chaos right now, dude.
Yeah.
My nose creating those deep fakes, by the way.
Oh, don't say the Chinese.
Don't say the Chinese.
It was some guy from like Iowa or something.
Yeah, no, it's just no, that shit's homegrown, brother.
Damn, bro.
I would know if my face was on like Alexis Texas.
Right, right.
Which is kind of offensive that they didn't give me Alexis Texas.
Are you an Alexis Texas fan?
Who isn't?
She's the ass goat.
Yeah.
She's podcasting nowadays, right?
Is she out of it?
Yeah, she's got the Alexis Texas podcast.
I think there was a time on.
There was a time and place when every porn star would like become a DJ.
Now they're podcaster, which I think is better.
Yeah.
Overall.
Yeah, I think that's hype.
Some of them, bro.
Listen, having spent time with a lot of them, these girls are some of the coolest fucking people.
It's like hanging out with your boys, dude.
And I don't know how else to put it.
I used to be the guy that went to the fucking AVN and the X-Biz Awards.
I skipped four years.
I had gone in the past.
I went this year just because we were in Vegas anyways.
We did the podcast.
We did a podcast with.
Oh, yeah.
It was just convenient to go to AVN.
There was no other.
No, it's fire.
It's a lot of fun.
I was hungry.
They were serving dinner.
There were great.
And honestly, dude, I was, I was, I was shit.
How do I say this properly?
I was meeting new stars that I can collaborate.
You were networked.
Who are the up-and-comers in the world?
So, okay, so this is crazy, but you're like a scout.
I got connected with Eva, Elfie, who had just knocked Lana off as number one.
Oh, interesting.
And so that was a friend of the pod.
And so that was like a.
She's awesome.
And she wants to do a video where we go eat Borsch.
Oh, yeah.
Because Russian, right?
She's dope.
So she was very cool.
Doesn't speak a lot of English.
Not very much.
Which is why when I had Eva on, I had her on alongside Nadia, the person who was escaping Vladimir Putin, who was easier to get on this podcast than you, Mike.
Yeah.
Grammy weekends.
Yeah.
So I met her.
She was cool.
Connected with Angela White, which was cool.
I'd never met her before.
She was friends with Lana in the past.
And so met her, talked to her about Australia because I'm going there on Tuesday.
So if anybody's watching this from down under, I'll be in Perth.
I'll be in Sydney.
She's an insane businesswoman, too.
She won 14 away.
Dude, Angela is actually like the actual goat.
So what I love about meeting porn stars, beyond the fact that they're very broy, because I mean, I think they're exposed to a lot of the libido and whatever.
But I think it's really amazing to talk to people that kind of have a firsthand, almost like doctorate in human sexuality.
And like a lot of them, even without kind of perceiving it, have an understanding of like what the male gaze is desiring, like what they have to sell, like what an experience within sex, like what's fake, what's real.
Their perspective on sex and relationship is so fucking different.
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Yeah.
And for example, this is one other thing that many people don't understand.
What you talked about was the difference between consenting and enthusiastic consent, which is like an ongoing debate in sex work circles as well, where it's like you consent to going to your job, right?
Every fucking day.
You might not like it.
You might not love it.
Especially when it comes to sex work, though.
Most of the time when you're going into work, it's just another day at work.
But like you enjoy it.
You're just simply stating that you don't enjoy it to the degree where you're like, oh my God, this is the greatest orgasm of my life.
Just like Mike said, you're not always going to get the greatest orgasm of your life.
And your sex drain you.
Yes, that's very true.
I was actually at one of their parties last night.
I was at Kazumi's party last night.
She had a party with Kaylee Gunner, who I'm friends with now as well, and Kate, TrueKate.
I have no idea who's been out of the game.
They're all big.
I mean, they're all I've been out of the game.
Don't know who these people are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I still go out occasionally, you know, and hang out.
And they're, they're, they're just super cool people.
They're just super cool people.
And like final note on it for me is like, I do not get along with normal people.
I do.
And this is like my biggest thing.
Like it's so hard for me to relate to someone who's like four-year degree, you know, like poli-sci, you know, chill.
Like, no, This guy's fucking coming at me, dude.
Health and human side.
I don't care.
Yeah.
But like, but like the idea that there's like that level of traditionality, I have, I cannot talk to you.
I'm sorry.
So when I meet these fringe poles of society and civilization, just like you just said, they interest me.
Yeah, I think part of that experience is like you existed on the lunatic fringe for a while.
Right.
And I think when you are on the razor's edge like that, you realize a lot of universal truths because you kind of see the ridiculousness of normal life and how it's kind of equally ridiculous as the extreme.
100%.
And so you have much less time for bullshit.
And that's why I think, especially porn stars, like they're so open.
They're so like candid that it's, you can get a much more honest.
The issue for me has been as I continue to age like physically as a yeah.
Well, thank you.
But but as I continue to actually age and almost age out of like a lot of things because of especially because of the time that I missed in addiction, I have been trying to pull myself out of that.
I've been trying to pull out of that of that space a little bit just because I really do need to, I really have been trying to start to get into the mindset of potential family, right?
And it's no, I know, I know.
And it's not something that I ever thought of in my life, but I also never thought I was going to own a four and a half million dollar house.
I never thought that I was going to have a fucking house.
Disgusting, by the way.
Remember, canceling.
That's right.
I saw your stuff.
It's fucked up.
You guys see that?
I love it.
I love it.
So people, every week, people are still like, you know, son's fucking rich, right?
Like, well, fuck that guy.
He's a rich social.
I'm like, motherfucker, what do you want me to do?
Like, it's not like.
People keep giving me money, dude.
I'm sorry.
All right.
Well, you know, you're doing God's work.
But, but, uh, but like now I have been, you know, at least mentally exploring.
Honestly, I don't know.
Maybe it'll happen to her or has, but both my sisters have very young children now.
And my little sister especially has this, oh my God, baby Sloan, my niece.
And cutie boots.
Dude, I just the light in her eyes and spending time with her and how she is always smiling at me and just like being connected to that innocence in life and that that unrelenting like enthusiasm is just like I feel nothing when I see children.
So I was like that up until the up until I had my until it was in my bloodline.
Dude, until I started to get a lot of money.
No, I look at my little baby cousins.
I'm like, yo, you motherfuckers are no content, dude.
It's like, I try to talk to them and they're just like shy or weird.
And I'm just like, dude, come on, just give me something.
I already put both of them in the content.
When I went home, the first time I felt really cool about having money, I took my two nieces who I fucking love to the Lego store.
Nice.
And they were kind of like looking around and they're like, you know, what can we get?
And I was like, get any.
And they grabbed like the fattest set and they were like, is this okay?
And I was like, yeah.
And some other kid was like, I wish I had an Uncle Will.
And my nieces were like going crazy in the Lego.
That was the first day ever where you didn't have to rely on your tuna candy.
You can feel cool to feel cool about life, bro.
I can't do that with you.
Because my uncle spoils the shit, like, spoils the shit out of my cousins.
So like, I can't get them shit, dude.
They got everything.
It sucks.
That sucks.
I'm always like, what do you want?
Take them to Disney on ice.
Yeah, I was going to say, you have to actually rely on it.
Quality time.
Yeah, you have to rely on time.
It's like, no, I can't buy it.
No, that's too much work.
I'm going to bring him on and have a tarse political conversation with them.
No, they were, I was the, I was the cool one when I linked them up with Mr. Beast.
When they were like, when they met Mr. Beast over FaceTime, they fucking lost their mind.
I've been riding on that for a while now.
Legend.
Well, guys, we've said it all.
Had Mike here for a long time.
I've done it.
Mike is going down the stream afterward.
I have elected to make this free.
We will make it up to our Patreon.
Yeah, I don't make money.
We will.
No, I meant like, because.
Oh, because I talked about the shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm fine.
It's all the truth.
It's not like...
I feel like I was just telling some stories and also being human and being like, I'm confused because that guy was my friend and I'm confused.
Yeah, good luck.
No one is going to, no one is going to view you from the lens of like you being honest.
They will.
They will hate me.
And I am a social media.
Actually, that's not true.
Our audience won't do that.
No, no, no.
Someone will take away.
I don't even want to go back.
You don't want to go.
Yeah, John.
I was just going to say, I feel like you're pretty in the clear on this one.
Like, no one's saying anything.
Oh.
Oh, am I going to be able to do that?
Mike, let me, Mike.
Let me introduce you.
Let me introduce you.
Let me introduce you to being a woman on the internet.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
It's rough.
A few people were even in, like, my boyfriend does these things called mogul males.
Oh, I've seen them.
Yeah.
And they're fantastic.
A few people in the comments.
Yeah, he's a right-wing guy.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, he believes in a lot of things.
No, there are people in the comments being like, man, she's such a narcissist for making this about her.
And I'm like, no, no, no.
I'm just the only one that's willing to talk about it openly.
Like, that's it.
Like, I'm just the only one that's.
Who should it be?
I think they want it to be about mostly Poke and Maya.
Oh, God.
But also, like, my photos were on there.
That is someone that is close to us.
That is someone that's violated my trust.
These are photos that have circulated everywhere.
I am very affected.
Sorry, shouldn't mention your best friend.
Maya is my best friend.
And I'm willing to talk about this.
And other girls aren't.
And so I feel like I do need to be the one that's vocal because I'm willing to be that vocal one.
So I'm trying to do it.
It's not only for myself.
It's for a lot of other women.
And that's, I don't, I don't like want to be vocal, but it feels like my only option.
And so that's why I'm doing it.
That's why I'm being so vocal about it.
Because like I said, I don't want to hate this guy.
I never wanted to hate this guy.
I've, he was a best friend for a long, long time.
So it, it hurts a lot to be the one that's like, you know, talking about it more and not letting the story end, but it's because we have to do something to stop it in the future.
Anyway.
Well, on that note.
So this is a biggest Michael.
Thank you for coming.
This is the kind of juicy content that you'll be able to get behind a paywall at patreon.com to our Patreon subs.
We'll make it up to you with cutie's toes.
Okay.
But Mike, tremendous pleasure having you on.
Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it, dude.
You were an incredible guest.
And from the first time I talked to you, I knew what a legit human being you were.
So it's good to get to pick your brain and to have you on.
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