Bradley Martyn and Hasan Piker dissect fitness as alchemy, contrasting Martyn's unorthodox training with the necessity of diet control over genetics. They explore obesity's addictive nature, critique gastric bypass for children, and debate immortality's impact on life's meaning. Piker shares his transformative journey from fatherless trauma to losing 60 pounds, framing physical achievement as a path to confidence that transcends systemic privilege. The conversation concludes by rejecting pharmaceutical quick fixes in favor of holistic health, asserting that true self-improvement requires internal change rather than external validation. [Automatically generated summary]
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40% Female Audience00:01:45
Bro, we have like a 40% female audience.
Not that like women don't like football.
No, no, you can't take that back.
Don't watch that.
Sexist.
That's on the record.
Yes, I am the number one sexist.
Haven't you seen 80 for Brady?
Wait, is those old bitches left?
I mean, it is, but it is, it is fair to say that the audience of people who watch football is mostly men.
Yes, that is a fair assessment, Bradley.
I don't agree with that.
You can just look at the demographic fan.
Don't listen to anything.
He's out of his fucking mind.
Oh, yeah.
Check your thesis.
What are your socks?
What's on your socks?
These are from the U.S. Open.
Oh, I thought golf.
They're withered.
So this is when Payne won the U.S. Open in Pinehurst.
I'm from Pinehurst.
They're so withered.
I thought it was a Jet socks.
Oh, my God.
Bro, they're so discolored.
I thought, like, you know, you got those last time the Jets had a fucking Super Bowl prospector.
I like these socks.
Oh, the socks aren't that bad.
Okay.
He's into my shit.
Do you like football?
I used to watch a lot more football for sure.
That's not as much as anything we're here with today, first of all.
We're here with Bradley motherfucking Martin.
Yes.
The gorilla man himself.
Let's fucking go.
Sitting at 266 pounds.
60, 60.
260 pounds at 6'4.
This man can dunk.
He is an absolute demon.
An absolute demon.
I like the key move.
Achilles reborn.
I like this.
Literally, just a giant ape of the man.
Well, I'm going to tell you, we have a lot of different guests on the show.
We just really do.
There's varying excitement for everyone.
Absolute Demon Guest00:15:02
And sometimes you get the perfect guest where you both are locked in and excited.
You're that guy.
Will is saying that we're both excited to have you.
Sometimes both, sometimes either he or myself are not as excited for that guest.
That's true.
It's good.
We're locked in.
Like when they're political commentators.
That was your favorite.
That was your favorite episode.
There was an episode that they got so in the weeds with politics, like weird, like CIA psyop in Iran in 1986.
I'm definitely not that guy.
Yeah.
Nor am I.
And I just sat there for like two hours and I was like, I was crazy silent, too, to be fair.
They just, they talked a lot.
They're podcasters, choppo trap house.
I love them.
They're good boys.
And they, you know, they're podcasters, so they didn't shut the fuck up for like an hour and 30 minutes straight.
I think I got like probably 10 minutes of talking time.
Will got zero.
Yeah.
Like literally zero.
What are you thinking the whole time?
You're just like, man.
I just was smiling, Chris.
Looking at the clock in the group.
Damn.
Yeah.
So why you guys both locked in on this one?
Why do you think?
Because you're both into the gym.
You guys came here.
First thing you said was you're looking small.
Yeah.
Well, I think for us, and I'd love to talk to you about this, but we're both former fat kids.
Yeah.
I knew that about him.
Current fat kid.
No, she's not.
But you're not fat.
Current fat kid, but thank you.
Now, we both used to be portly customers, and we still have those tendencies in our lives, right?
We're both very ready to overeat, and we both get excited by food.
And I think there's this constant pursuit of trying to find fitness and physique and strength in our lives.
And it's fun to kind of riff off one another because we always motivate one another, right?
To the outside person it might look very cruel when I come in and like what's up fatty, like that kind of stuff.
But I know that's love because he do the same for me.
We used to.
We used to do body ops back in the day, where I mean, he always had an advantage because he's a skinny.
But you know, like but, but like.
Our goal never was to like, become beefier or anything.
It was always to become more lean, better looking.
That's the hardest.
Yeah, that's the.
That's the hardest part for me.
Always, like I can put on weight like, like that, it's so easy.
I'll put on, put on 10 pounds right now.
Just thinking about it.
Man, don't test me.
Boom, i'm 265.
Yeah, it is.
It is interesting how everyone is so different when it comes to how, how well they either put on size or put on body fat, or it's just it's the.
It's hard to get it like.
I don't know exactly right for everyone.
I think that's where people just continue to have problems with it.
I'm assuming you guys gonna ask me about this kind of stuff.
Right, like you, we'll talk.
This is the only question about it, because he always he has an unorthodox uh, way of working.
Yeah, I think that I think actually for years i've thought, is like not the best way to work out.
What is that way?
I'm like a Ct Fletcher.
There's no such thing as overtraining.
You're a little bitch, go harder, all right, you can always put more hours in.
He also goes like man.
He will like he'll eat, like he doesn't, he doesn't track his macros or anything and he'll eat whatever, but like not nothing unhealthy, like deeply unhealthy right um, but then he'll be like i'm.
You know, the saying that everyone collectively under uh acknowledges is true, you can't outwork your diet.
He always is trying to outwork his diet yeah, but it's insane.
But you don't eat terrible no no no yeah, I just eat a lot.
That's kind of how I, that's kind of how I have that oh, historically okay well, you're a different being.
Yeah no really, i've really been that way.
Okay listen he, he's operating with an entirely different mechanism here.
Like, don't compare yourself to him.
Well maybe, if I just put more time in, he's 200.
What's your body fat percentage right now?
You're 260 pounds, probably probably sub 12, at least that's what i'm saying.
He's 260 pounds of pure muscle.
Dog, that's insane.
So what's your?
What's your basal metabolic rate?
Uh, that number right now, the bmr that's based on like, your age or how, your weight, so you could google that your basal metabolic rate for those.
This is actually a really good question, because people probably don't know either, really good um it's, it's basically what your body burns just to operate.
Yeah oh, and it's depending on your.
It's dependent on your your.
You know your lean muscle mass.
Sure, it's dependent on your like, how heavy like your muscle mass is.
Um and, and you know whether you're sedentary or not as well.
I guess that that factors into your basal metabolic rate or technically not, that's excess, so that would be outside.
Yeah, basal is like age height weight yeah, like all just your body to function.
Mine is higher than you'd expect because i'm constantly clenching and unclenching my sphincter that would be no no no, that's actually no.
No, that's a different that that you're joking, but that's literally some people who are very fidgety unironically, have a higher daily burn rate yeah, than others.
Some statistic where supermodels are disproportionately representative by adhd people, like there's a disproportionate or like percentage of them that are adhd because they're constantly, they're like constantly moving, fidgeting.
Yeah, that actually factors in all of those, all of those like marginal differences in lifestyle dramat like lead to dramatically different results over, you know, over your entire lifespan.
Yeah, so yeah, but you're, I was just trying to figure out.
Like how many calories Does Bradley Martin consume in one day where he's just maintenance?
Like he's not fucking gaining weight or losing.
Probably like, I've actually had historically a really hard time eating enough food.
That's been like the hardest thing.
Oh, you were a skinny boy always?
Yeah.
He doesn't get us.
Yeah, he doesn't understand.
He doesn't understand our quiet at all.
I was a hard gainer.
I was a big boy because you're a big guy.
No, I was a hard gainer.
I was very skinny and I had to put on, I was like stuffing myself to eat it.
He's always greener, motherfucker.
He's always greener.
He doesn't know.
I'm talking about old, you know.
So this is the thing I do know about, though.
I know about like people, I remember when I first started getting into working out and I wanted to like put on muscle.
My friends would make fun of me back when like Facebook was like a cool thing that everyone did.
And they made an album.
This was a very long time ago, obviously.
They made an album where it was Brad's Unfinished Meals.
Because I was always talking about how I wanted to get where we're all like kind of like bodybuilders.
You left meals unfinished?
Yes, bro.
And not on purpose.
Not because I wanted to, because I was so fucking stuffed and I would have a hard time eating it.
So they would make fun of me.
They'd take a picture of it and be like, that was so much work just to fuck with you.
It was pretty funny, though.
You had the same relationship that we have.
So we never leave meals unfinished.
No, my Facebook album would be one photo.
Just empty.
I lick the plate.
Like usually, if I like something, I'm like, well, you know, I already factored in the calories for this.
I'm going to lick this.
See, the thing is, I got there.
It just took, like, I was, I was to the point where I would, I knew that I needed to eat more food.
Cause this is the thing.
A lot of people say, oh, I eat enough food to gain weight.
Like a lot of the harder gainer guys.
Yeah.
But they just don't.
And they always ask the same question.
What do I do to gain weight?
Is it like a workout thing?
It's not.
Like working out will like affect how you like will perform or like if you're going to grow muscle or if you're going to gain strength.
But gaining weight, no matter what, you need to eat more food.
And I got to the point where I'm literally like eating food and I'm completely full and I'm swallowing by like drinking the food, like almost like swallowing like a pill to just keep eating.
Oh my God.
Dude, you don't force feeding myself.
That's my fantasy, dude.
You're describing like a future where like if there was a pill where I could do that, I would take that pill every day.
I would just eat till I fucking feel disgusting.
That was my life.
Oh, that feels good.
But it was because I needed to gain weight and it was so hard.
Like I couldn't swallow.
We got to like issue a trigger warning for eating.
Yeah, sorry, guys.
So sorry.
Dude, we came out of the gate swinging on some bad shit.
But like, no, like, I'll tell you this much.
Okay.
Obviously, my entire family is obese.
We have a history of it.
We have a history of a litany of genetic diseases for that reason as well.
I'm the only person in my family who's actually naturally been able to like lose the weight, have a six-pack.
I'm the only person in my family that ever had a six-pack.
The only person in my family who ever...
It's such a weird thing to say.
It's like when someone's like, the only person in my family to go to college, you're the one who's like, well, I'm the black sheep in that fucking regard, too.
Out of my immediate family, I'm the only one without a fucking master's in anything.
So like, yeah, no, they're all academics and shit, but they're also all obese.
I, you know, went the other way.
But the reason why I brought that up is because like, it's obviously social learning, that, that, like, unhealthy, those unhealthy diet choices.
Like, it's something that you learn, something that becomes a part of you.
But there's also a genetic component there, too, a genetic factor there.
I have it on the worst on all ends.
My brother got a gastric bypass.
My father got a gastric bypass, like the full Monty where they even cut into his fucking intestines too.
You know what i'm talking about.
That's intense.
A bunch of surgeries they're actually working on.
Uh, doctors are getting pretty crazy with it.
This is one thing I want to talk about.
They are now suggesting it to children, gastric bypass.
If you have childhood obesity.
I think it's like you have 50 chance if you're.
If you have childhood obesity, 50 chance of becoming an adult with obesity or an adolescent with obesity.
If you're an adolescent with obesity okay, 70 chance you're an adult with obesity okay, let me.
Let me say this is the thing that's.
This is a broader topic on.
What you're just saying is it's starting to piss me off how like we are like prescribing these things without the real problem, because there's so many things that come along with a surgery like that that people don't understand.
That actually can be.
Like I was talking to Big Boy he, he had the same thing done.
You know the big boy's radio.
No, so he's a big time.
Like oh yeah yeah, he's been on.
He's been on radio forever.
Yeah, he was huge and he lost a lot of weight.
Yeah, and he got the surgery and he's he said that like yeah, he's like figured out a way to to move through his life where it's like efficient now yeah, but it was a very hard thing for him.
So yeah, there's a lot of stuff that comes along with it, and the thing that frustrates me about the thing you just said is like we're not fixing the problem.
We're like bandaiding everything and we're encouraging a band-aid for this, where it's like the problem is people's like understanding or know-how, or like willingness to try to eat less shit, or like enforce better habits.
Yeah, so it's like we're not telling kids, like you know you're, you're the parent.
We can't tell the parent you'll stop doing this.
But that's where it starts.
Right, it's also more complicated than that, of course.
Like you're, you're absolutely correct because, like the gastric bypass, which is a crazy surgery, they literally cut your stomach and like make it smaller.
Sometimes they even cut into your intestines and like make it smaller.
Like my dad has no stomach.
Basically yeah, it's like it's the same way that, like this is gonna be weird to explain, but like a dog will eat food and immediately shit it out right, because like it's just passing through the body like uh, of an animal super fast and it's just like picking up whatever it can along the way.
That's the same as, like my Dad says, and he lost hundreds of pounds with this and his life genuinely improved.
But the problem is, the body is so complex that like, if you don't actually build sustainable, healthy dietary habits, you're you're gonna relapse even with that surgery.
And here's the thing too, revolving around what you just said, as you talk about passing through with the, the efficiency like that, you're now missing out on all the nutrients and all the other stuff that you need to function properly as a human.
Yeah right, so now you're cutting this thing that like the rest of your life.
Now you're going to be taking all these other supplements in order to like, maintain proper health.
So yeah, devil's advocate yeah, let's say you're someone who just cannot get on a routine right, because i'm very sympathetic to that in the sense that when I am stressed, when I have a up day when, when something goes waddically wrong for me, I go find food.
Did you say waddically on purpose?
Yeah, my dad always does that.
I don't know why he says waddle because he laughed and I was like i'm not silly wadded, but um like, I go find food right it's, it's like a comfort thing for me.
So you don't.
So you don't think, even though there is a lot of drawbacks to it, which I get and I'm sure all the people that go into a gastric bypass are terrified, right?
It's a surgery.
You don't think that there's some net benefit in perhaps limiting diabetes and all the other things that come.
I do hold on.
But the thing you just said prior to that was what?
You said moments ago, you do something because of what?
What were your reasons?
Oh, dude, I turned to food for sure.
See, this is what I'm saying.
Like, there's nothing wrong if you absolutely need something because like you've just tried everything.
And like, I was talking to member Ethan about even like this whole like antidepressant.
He's going to make us about this conversation right now.
But the thing that you're describing is your inability to create change within yourself and your own habits.
And then you're saying, well, I'll just do this thing.
Right.
Right.
So there's a greater issue.
I mean, listen, I'm not saying that like if you've done everything in your power to try to fix it or change it or like overcome it or understand it, then like maybe it's what you need to do.
But if you can rightfully say, well, there's these reasons why I end up in this place, these reasons why are the things you have to address first.
You know what I'm saying?
Like your, your inability to like stop yourself in these moments.
There's something deeper for you as a human that is more important to like try to understand instead of just go, you know what?
I'm just going to take that and just do that.
Because then now you've like, yeah, maybe you've bypassed this issue, but now you have a whole host of other issues that you need to like figure out.
Counterpoint.
Yeah, go ahead.
Cookies are fucking delicious.
I mean, listen, don't kill me about that.
And they make me feel so good.
Yeah, no.
Okay, I'm not going to lie, man, dude.
What did I say about cookies?
No, let's talk about this for real.
Like, I love food.
I love food so much.
The story I was telling earlier was like before, now I have a hard time not eating food.
Yeah.
When I was younger, it was like I was forcing it to like get a basically increase my gut size so that I could eat more food to try to gain more weight.
But now I love food and I understand completely how like fucking addictive it is.
But it's like there's just other things that I go, okay, well, what else do I really want?
Like, how do I really want to feel?
So let's zoom out.
Would you consider yourself a type A person?
Like a psychopath?
No, no, no, no.
Like, I mean, I'm considering myself.
There's like type A and type B, where like type A people are like very regimented.
They're organized.
They, they are meticulous.
Type B are like kind of your, you know, like us, like scatter gun approach.
Like, well, I would say I'm a mix of both.
Almost like, yeah.
Based on what you just described it.
Yeah.
Like I'm not super regimented, but I know what works for me and I know like my bandwidth, how far I can go without.
I'm like, okay, I have to change this or pull back.
But I am super kind of like, I don't know, like OCD with certain things where my brain just kind of like goes over them so many times, even though I already know like whatever the answer is and I just kept recounting it.
Do you think that that kind of affects or improves your ability to bodybuild and strength train?
Calories In Out00:15:15
Probably, yeah, because it's like, I feel like it's just like this idea that it's, it's not enough.
So I just kind of keep going.
And yeah, I don't know.
It's a weird thing.
Like I remember in school, I would always study my like form of studying was I would just like look at something enough and then I would just like recount the information in my mind.
And I wasn't really like, I don't know if I was really understanding as much as I was just like memorizing things.
So a lot of my life is like just doing things in this repetitive nature.
And then I just like, I can't unknow it because I've done it so many times that I just know it.
So for bodybuilding, if we're talking about training, it was just that same like, I need to do these things because I did these things before.
And for me to get better, I need to do these things plus more of these other things.
And if I let go of these things that I've already done, I don't know.
I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but like it would always felt like it had to compound.
Like I couldn't stop.
If I did these 10 things and then did these, I had to do these 10 things and then these and then everything else and then start from the beginning always.
You're describing how, you know, I mean, this sounds almost like one of those books where it's like, how to build healthy habits for your mind.
But like that is how I have also been able to accomplish things that I always wanted to accomplish.
And it's something that I tell people all the time, like, this is what you're supposed to do.
For example, you know, I recognize it's a bit of a cliche, but like it takes 21 days of like consistency to build a healthy habit, usually around two to three to break it, depending on how long you've actually had that healthy habit, right?
Going to the gym every day, for example, brushing your teeth, like tracking your macros, shit like that.
I have always had short-term goals and long-term goals.
And my short-term goals will, you know, lead to me unlocking my midterm goals and then ultimately my long-term goals.
And that's, that's like what most people, I think, build around.
It's like calories and calories out.
Most diets are centered around that fundamental aspect of calories and calories out.
You can like put a different twist on it.
But I feel like that is at the heart of how to accomplish goals that you set for yourself and succeed.
Pretty much.
I want to go back to the conversation that we had about food in general.
And because I feel like there was a couple of things that I wanted to address there.
You're absolutely correct.
I think that internally, a diet, you can have an unhealthy diet.
You can have a healthy diet.
Doesn't matter.
It's still a diet.
It's what you're putting in your body.
It's fuel.
It could taste good.
It could taste bad.
It doesn't matter.
Ultimately, if you don't have a sustainable diet for the rest of your life, you're going to yo-yo.
You're going to swing back.
You're going to gain weight.
And that's why the gastric bypass, without actually like reconfiguring your healthy choices that you're supposed to be making, developing a better understanding of like what your body needs and, you know, having like a good macronutrient, having a good understanding of like different percentages of macros that you need to get to feed yourself.
Without any of that, you're just basically kind of forcing your body to just eat less.
And you will always lose weight that way, absolutely, because ultimately, you know, you're just eating less.
But that's precisely the reason why a lot of people that do get that surgery end up like developing addiction to things.
Like a lot of people develop like an intense sugar craving.
Some people have become addicted to alcohol.
I think like I've heard.
But this makes sense because we're talking about the whole idea of the process of going through and going through fast.
When you don't have enough like the vitamin, the minerals, the nutrients and your body's not able to readily absorb those things, that's when you crave other things.
Yeah.
So that's why when people diet really hard, they're like, man, I just need to eat.
I want to eat like, I remember one point I'm dieting really hard for like a show and I crave the fuck out of these dried mangoes.
And I love, I love mangoes in general, but I love dried mangoes and I just couldn't eat enough.
And when I started eating them, I was like ravenous.
I could eat bags and bags of these things.
And it felt like it was never enough.
So it's like when you diet super hard, which is this, this gastric bypass kind of is internally making you do that all the time.
You can't eat anything.
Yeah.
So your body's not uptaking all these other things that are going to make you feel like I'm satiated.
Like I'm hungry.
I don't need this.
Like I don't feel like I need this sugar.
I don't feel like I need this.
We're talking about alcohol, whatever, but there's other things that'll like pull towards and everyone's uniquely different in this in this respect.
But that's the, that's where you create these issues.
And I think it's funny because the thing that happens long term, we talk about what you were just saying.
The thing that you need to fix prior to like doing this or not doing this, making this decision is like your habits around your diet.
Because once you do it, you're forced to fix it because if not, then you're going to run into these other issues.
So it's like the other way to fix it is the proper like supplementation and actually knowing what you're eating, what you should be eating.
And then all these other things that revolve around that so that you feel good after a surgery, which is like, what if you just did that first?
Yeah.
Well, that's my mind.
That's why before the surgery, even though like doctors don't really follow on this, at least anecdotally, I know this from two close family members who have done it, but they tell you you got to lose 30 pounds on your own before we do the surgery.
One, they say it's because like they want to make sure you're healthy enough for the surgery so you don't die during the process of the surgery.
Yeah.
But I legitimately think it's because they want to instill healthy, like they want to make sure that you can lose the weight first and foremost so you can like continue eating properly after.
But the reality is because it just like when you when you do the surgery, when you come out of the surgery, you drink water, you want to throw up.
You eat like to this day, to this day, if my dad eats more than he's like, you know, more than a couple bites of food, he literally like feels like he has to throw up.
Same with my brother.
I'm wondering just like, what is that mentally?
Is your dad clear?
Is he like, hey, I feel great?
Or, you know what I mean?
I think, I think when you're at the precipice of like, when you're literally have to be in a medically induced coma at a certain point because of how obese you are, and then like you come back from that and you no longer have diabetes, you know what I mean?
I think like, yes, you are definitely better off if you're like almost dead and you can't walk and then you can do all of those things again.
Well, I didn't know all this.
I didn't know that was to that extent.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
It's not like when I say obese, I'm talking like my whole family is more obese.
Like real deal.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Like, fuck.
Like, my dad was like television obese.
Like when they, when they put him on the, yeah, like home.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He isn't anymore.
I don't think you've ever even seen my dad like that obese.
No.
Tall guy, though, obviously.
Yeah, he's a tall guy.
Yeah, okay.
But like, yeah, he was like hundreds of pounds.
I don't even know how I'm fucking.
Like 300 plus?
300?
Try fucking like almost five, I think.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
Oh, you're not kidding.
Bro, I was 320 pounds.
I was 320 pounds at my peak.
And like, I always had a little bit of muscle.
Like, I always have muscle underneath too, but like, I was pretty obese too.
Yeah.
500 different.
Yeah.
That's different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's in a different league.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My brother was like 300 and he got it and it definitely helped him.
But like now he has to still diet.
You just got to still diet because he relapsed.
Like he gained a lot of weight.
Now he's losing it again.
So yeah, these are these are healthy habits that you need to instill upon yourself.
But it makes it, it's really hard because food is very addictive.
Like certain types of food is very addictive.
That's like really bad for you.
Ultimately, if you have too much of it.
Why is that a thing, bro?
Why the fuck is that a thing?
Scientists figure it out.
Like it's kind of pissed off.
I don't think they want to, dude.
They work.
Conspiracies.
No, it just like pisses me off that like delicious shit.
I want to have so much of it.
Like pizza.
I want to have pizza all the time.
No stuff.
It's so fucking good.
Yeah, because it's just carbs and fucking fat.
Like it's just literally scientifically created to make you want to eat.
I think it's like, it goes back to like sensation of fullness, right?
And that's what like overeaters seek.
And it's not like, oh, I'm, I'm satiated.
It's like, my insulin is fucking crashing and I can fall asleep now.
That is like being great.
And that's like billions of years of evolution, right?
Where like if a chimpanzee found like a really fatty corpse, right?
Fat is so precious in nature.
If you watch any survival show, guys are dying eating rabbits and moose and all this kind of stuff because there's no fat.
So you can eat all the protein you want, but you cannot sustain without fat.
So your brain, when you find fat, is like, you just hit the gold mod, motherfucker.
Lay that shit down.
Problem is when we mix it with carbs.
That's when we fucked it up.
But it tastes good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's so good.
But yeah, Benji, you just described like, he is basically scientifically describing what is the reason why people like fucking gorge themselves.
Yeah.
Which is crazy though, because it's like, that's not our, that's not our life anymore.
No.
You know what I'm saying?
We need to adjust.
There's a lot of things we got.
We got postmates, die.
So I was like that my entire life.
And I never actually changed it up.
I actually just started doing OMAD one meal a day, made it much easier to track my calories and I still got that sensation until two years ago when I like during COVID, when I couldn't work out, like lost all my muscle mass, atrophied, and pretty much put back every single pound in fat and then some shot back up to like 280.
And, you know, and I was fucking so depressed.
I just like couldn't move.
Everything felt slow, couldn't breathe.
After like 50 minutes of standing, I just hated myself.
I was like so insanely depressed.
And then when I went back into it, I tried doing OMAD again and I couldn't.
So now the way I basically have trained myself to not do that and not look, not seek that pleasure anymore.
How'd you do that?
How did you train yourself to not do that?
Slowly but surely.
This is like weird because like dietitians would probably prescribe this as like to someone who with an eating disorder.
But slowly but surely I started like I started breaking my fast early and then just like training myself to basically eat meals without feeling like intensely full.
And now I have two meals a day instead of one meal a day.
How do you make yourself not feel intensely full?
Just because you start eating smaller meals?
Yeah.
You just how do you how do you feel?
It's funny though because like how do you train how do you train yourself to diet adequately?
It's exactly the same shit.
Yeah.
It's always the same shit.
It's literally it's like a muscle.
You just train it.
You train yourself.
It's a deep shame when you get to that real gorgeous.
Sometimes I still sometimes still break like, but God damn it.
I always tell this story.
Like I was a big boy, but Hassan was a totally different level.
We went to Vegas.
We went to Vegas.
Oh, and we went to a buffet.
We went to the buffets in Vegas.
They're insane.
They're legendary.
Yeah.
So we're sitting there and we're throwing down everything.
You know what I mean?
All cider ribs, play that Freduccine Alfredo.
Why not?
And we go through this and we're both just like, like sucking wind.
Just and Hassan's like, man, I got to get a dessert, bro.
And I was like, I don't know.
I'm kind of, and he's like, I got to get a dessert.
And I was like, all right, bet.
Go grab something.
Like, let's work through it.
My man came back.
I've never seen anybody do this.
Took the platter that was housing an entire pie of pizza and he brought it back and put it on the table.
And he's like, I was like, dude, that's not dessert.
And he's like, I know, but I saw it look so good.
He sat there after we gorged ourselves at a buffet and ate an entire pie of pizza by himself.
Like burrito style.
Like he folded the motherfucker.
Oh, God.
There are no slices.
He did like that.
So you don't understand, bro.
I have had, I've had sugar hangovers.
I've never, this is like a medical phenomena where I eat so many, cookies and pizza are my two biggest weaknesses, right?
And like I have eaten so many cookies at a certain point.
Like I'm talking 30, 40, right?
Like these are 300 calories of a cookie and I'm eating like 30.
I'm throwing 30 of these back.
Like there's no tomorrow.
So much so that my tongue hurts.
Bro, what the?
Like my body is literally telling me like, dude, you have to stop.
This is, my body is so overstimulated by cooking.
Chocolate is melting.
I don't feel like it's a lot of fun.
I'm shouting like, yeah.
No, that's twisted.
Yeah.
That's fucking talking about it.
It's like we're in a recovery meeting.
And it's like, we just needed one hit, man.
Dude, what the fuck?
Dude, and it's like, my body is like saying to me, basically, to my brain, this is poison now.
Like, stop eating it.
Like, it, please, please stop eating it.
It's poison.
And I'm still like, shoving it down my gullet.
And then the next day, I'm literally like, I'm faded.
Like, you know, when you get cloudy after smoking weed the next day, or like you get hungover from drinking?
It was like that.
I had a sugar hangover the next day.
That's insane.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I don't do it anymore, obviously.
But I've had times like this.
I've had so much.
Yeah.
I had moments after like I did competition shit where like it became a super issue to like just stop eating.
I remember I could eat like pints of this Ben and Jerry's ice cream like three pints in a in like one sitting.
Oh my god.
Like it was just disgusting.
That's I would do it every night.
What is that?
Like 3,000 calories of ice cream?
Just ice cream.
So I love ice cream.
I still eat a pint of ice cream.
I just substituted it to fucking NYX is one brand that is new that I really love.
They do like Swedish ice cream.
Halo Top is another one.
You know what I mean?
I can't though.
When I do that, I'm like, oh, it's just not what I wanted.
Like if I'm going to cheat, I'm going to cheat.
No, I can trick my brain.
Like I trick my brain.
I can't, dude.
I eat it and I know this is not it.
No, I know, but I have a huge sweet tooth.
It works for me.
It doesn't work for everybody.
You know what works for me, which is not a cheater.
It's not like a breaking the cheat.
I eat no like vegan ice creams.
I'm just like, well, it's vegan.
I'm like, I'm good.
Dog, what?
You're a trainer.
You know, that's not real.
I know.
It's still like 700 calories.
It's just more.
But I'm like, it's vegan.
Fuck it.
I'm good.
Yeah, they pumped that shit full of sugar.
And it's less protein, too.
What the fuck?
It's like literally worse for you.
I'm going to say this, bro.
Yo, Trifair Life.
Coolhouse.
Yeah.
Yes.
It's incredible.
Yeah, that's cool.
Oh, 500 calories per pop, though.
I don't care.
I believe.
Oh, can you play with that a little bit?
That one fucks up sometimes.
Got an iffy colour.
Can you speak speak into it?
No?
Yeah, you can hear me.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool house ice cream.
Oh, what the fuck?
Okay, speak into it again.
Yeah, we good?
Solid?
Okay.
Good, good?
Okay.
Yeah, dude.
Cool house is fucking insane.
That's why, like, my, like, those ice cream sandwiches, the vegan ones with the, I know they have extra sugar too, because I read it.
I'm like, oh, it's vegan.
Yes.
Oh, bro.
Insane.
So good.
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I like literally fucking order this shit late at night.
Like a oh, I just, I don't know.
I feel like I love that.
I love the cool house ice cream sandwiches.
First of all, they're like barely vegan, dog.
Postmate, cool house ice cream.
No, I don't want to talk about it.
Yeah, that's fine.
I said that for you.
There's a double level game.
That was a place.
There's a postmating shit you can get at the grocery store.
I used to do that with this.
There was a vegan ice cream place in Hollywood that I used to order from.
They made ice cream sandwiches and they would have like Snickerdoodle cookies as the fucking, it was vegan.
Snickerdoodle cookies as the base of like the sandwich.
And then the middle ice cream part was like, they called it like cotton candy or something, which I never thought I would like, but it was so fucking delicious.
I mean, those are like around, if you have like 500, 600 calories and you like really want to have that, you can, that's, that's, that's loud.
I eat them still.
Yeah.
I love them.
You would love to see how long it would take a chimpanzee with a postmate's account to kill himself.
You know what I mean?
Like how dogs have those panels where they're like, go out, go outside.
Yeah.
And it's like a chimpanzee and you can order things.
In like a week.
Two weeks.
Yeah.
You know that like the picture of the orangutan with like the breath.
Oh my God.
That's one of my funny.
That's one of the funniest meetings.
Yeah.
That would be him at the zoo just going, five guys.
I love that man.
Five guys.
Five guys.
Bro.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
Did I fuck it up again?
No, it's still working.
It's working.
But yeah, I just fuck, man.
God, I love food.
There's just nothing more to say other than that.
I just love food.
You just got to deal with it.
But no, I was saying like I cheat with Smart Sweets is another brand I use.
Oh, that's like the sour stuff.
Dude, yeah, but it's really good because like it has a lot of fiber in it.
It's 100.
It's 100 calories per pack.
And, you know, you get like a little, it tricks my brain into thinking that I'm like consuming, you know, jelly beans or some shit.
You know what I mean?
Like, cause I love, I love candy like that, but it's so packed with fucking fiber that it's awesome.
Like it's kind of filling.
It's kind of filling at night.
I have that because I have to have my night candy, which is like the worst thing.
Yeah.
My night candy.
Yeah, it's the worst thing.
The fact that you say I have to have my night candy.
Yeah.
You should start addressing that.
No, I have.
But not with night candy.
Like address it outside of the candy.
That sounds like it could be the next Frank Ocean album.
No, straight up.
Yo, that's some accurate shit.
Whoa, that was good.
Holy shit.
My night candy.
Fuck, dude.
But like, it sounds way sexy and cooler when you say it like that.
It's just candy at the best shot.
On my side table.
On my nightstand.
God.
All right.
I have something I want to talk about today.
Topic change.
We're getting into it.
Definitively.
Scientists.
I'm not a scientist, but go ahead.
They have reversed the aging process in mice.
They have been successful.
You can pull up a picture, Billy, right?
There's a picture of this old-ass mouse, and then he looks like a young Chad mouse again.
It's like he's fucking all the other mouse.
Yeah, dude.
They brought this mouse back.
He had like holes in his ears and shit.
Tearing mice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's tearing mice pussy.
I mean, look at this dude.
He had holes in his motherfucking ears.
Now he looks great.
I feel like there was a little edited.
No, that's it.
You think they Photoshop filters the mice?
No, no, no, just a little bit.
Like, they put a little bit.
They face-tuned him a little bit.
Damn, you know.
Face-to-un this mouse.
I feel like they colored it.
That's like the Chris Jenner filter.
He's so used to the TikTok fit fluencers and shit.
He's like, nah, I see that.
Bro, I've seen that.
It's not natty.
I actually did this.
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Yeah.
That's what they're claiming.
How do we feel about that?
Well, it's because if the avatar came out, they were talking about the stuff from the whales.
It's like, that's what's happening now.
Yeah, they found the whale juice.
They found the whale juice?
Yeah.
God damn.
Dude, I mean, how do you feel about that?
Great.
I love, dude, I love medicine, man.
I'm a big advocate for steroids too.
Like, I wish that it was more socially acceptable.
Like, not even that, but I just, I wish that, like, you know, it wasn't regarded with like such disdain so that, you know, scientists could like really study it.
Yeah.
You know, and fucking give me some over-the-counter Anivar, dog.
That's what I want.
I want that shit so bad because it's like.
But here's the eternal question.
What?
Are you living forever if you get the chance?
Are you reversing the aging process and just sticking around?
Or is life this beautiful ephemeral moment that needs to end to have any kind of meaning?
You got to have all the homies on that too, though.
Cause like you can't be the only one alive.
That's boring.
So if you're living forever, I'm by proxy.
Yeah.
We're doing it together.
Yeah.
We got to get the family on board.
I'm not really a good question, though.
Yeah.
Really good question.
I think, like you said, you could definitely wouldn't want to do that alone.
Then it's like, imagine that where you see all your loved ones dying.
Disappear, right?
Because it's going to be expensive.
Definitely going to be expensive.
I don't know.
I feel like that, like you said, the last part of your question was answers it.
It's like, if life is just forever, then is it really what it is?
Or is that just now just a new version of what life is?
Yeah.
Because like how we see it and how we regard our, I think as humans, like our desire to achieve certain things or to have certain things is also based on the fact that our time here is pretty finite, at least with the time that we have here on this earth.
Depending, obviously, people believe different religions, different things, like what's happening after, but our actual time here, I think part of the beautiful thing of life is that it ends and it allows us to want to succeed and to go so far.
So if you took that away because it was just something, which obviously maybe you couldn't get to that thing if you didn't have enough money anyway.
So like you'd have to get there to that finish.
I think our motivations.
I think our motivations would change dramatically.
Exactly.
I have a different opinion on this.
If life was like almost infinite.
Can you imagine like a 108-year-old dude still living with his mom where he's like, I'm going to go to college, mom?
I'm only 108.
No, but give me some time to figure it out.
No, but that's what I mean.
Like there are.
So one thing that has happened as life expectancy has like increased dramatically over the course of, you know, human, humankind living on this planet is that like we now have more time to, I think, experience childhood in a different way where you're not like becoming a chimney sweep at the age of seven.
You know what I mean?
You're not like, oh, what am I going to do about the fucking 401k of smoking a book?
You're like seven, dog, chill.
So I think that that is a good thing overall.
And I feel like maybe our, maybe we take things slower and not in like a like, oh, you're lame, you're procrastinating kind of way, but almost in like a fucking zen.
Yes.
Like, but I do.
Allow yourself to experience life.
I think where that opens up some people to experiencing life, I think that also creates a huge dilemma, right?
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And we've seen this, I think, with a lot of young men where because they don't have an imperative to grow up or like they're lying in a spear moment where they're challenged to go out and like find strength within themselves.
They become lost.
They become listless.
Like, and this kind of plays into that incel narrative or whatever, just young men who are unrealized that are lost and they're willing to ascribe to hokeum or snake oil merchants because they're so kind of lost in their life and they don't, they don't have a direction.
They don't have a way to push forward.
And you think living forever would make that, it would exacerbate so bad.
Yeah.
No, I totally see that.
That's why I'm saying like, you know, we need to keep people busy somehow.
Like I understand the need for that for sure.
Ultimately, that comes from within though.
You just got to kind of want it.
And I think a lot of these people like do, well, that's not very Marxist of me to say, actually, I was going to, there's two points to this.
One, you got to do it from within.
Like that's an internal want, an internal desire.
I've never for a moment in my life ever thought that I wasn't destined for greatness.
It sounds very weird to say, but I always from the jump, possibly due to like really good parenting, I was always like, no, I'm going to fuck shit up.
I'm going to tear it up.
And I was a fucking loser.
I don't know where the fuck I got this attitude from.
But I was like, I was a fat kid who drew like nonstop.
I was just drawing comic book scenes and, you know, socially outcast from like my Turkish peers at the time.
And I still was like, nah, one day I'm just going to fuck shit up.
Did you feel like that?
Absolutely.
Did I?
I was going to, we'll talk about it.
I want to ask you this.
Did I ask you this on my podcast?
Did I ask you about that?
That idea of like feeling like there was when you were younger that there was something.
I don't think so.
So my question to you, you just said you've always felt that way.
Right.
Yeah.
Where, where did you like, where do you feel it?
Was it a thing in your mind?
You're like, I know that I have this or was it like in your heart?
Like, where did you feel it?
Was it like, you know, you have these inner dialogues with ourselves.
It was not, I don't think it was logical.
I just always was like, it doesn't have to be logical.
I'm just saying, where did you, where was it?
It was in your mind.
I think originally it was not logical.
It was in my heart, in my soul, if you will, right?
Where I was just like, I had dreams of like really just achieving a lot of success, no matter where it was.
It wasn't like fully realized.
It wasn't like fully put together.
It wasn't as like structured as like, I'm going to go to this college and I'm going to do this.
Like, cause I just thought no matter what I do, I'm going to be good at it.
I'm going to be successful at it.
I know that I can, you know, work hard and achieve those things, right?
That was a thing that definitely motivated me when I was younger, but I never actually had that.
I had never realized the results of it.
So I always felt like I was being undermined and other people did not see the value that I saw within myself for a very long time until, and this is a really pivotal moment in my life, I achieved one of the dreams I always had, which was to, sounds silly, but to finally be an athletic person, to be able to dunk and to have a six-pack.
That sounds so vapid, so shallow and so stupid.
I love that.
It was something that I wanted my entire life and was never able to get it.
So when I actually fucking, you know, said, fuck this, I'm doing it.
And over the course of one year, went from 280 pounds all the way down to like 220 pounds or 300 pounds to 225 pounds, 12%, 13% body fat, was able to dunk, was like putting up really great numbers in the gym.
I realized this was the most, like, this was the apex of all achievement for me.
And I realized the value of hard work there where I was like, oh, I can achieve anything I want as long as I just fucking put my head down.
And no matter how tough things get, keep pushing away at the problem.
Keep like Sisyphus fucking.
Go off the mountain.
This is exactly what my whole life is based on.
The whole gym thing is just a physical representation of like consistency over time and going through shit that's hard, that hurts.
And then it makes you better.
Like everything you just described is like how everything, you know, even earlier we're talking about dieting and like overcoming these things.
Like obviously there's certain issues like genetically that you can't just like, if you're predisposed, you can't just like overcome.
I mean, I had a lot of those.
Yeah.
And it sounds like that.
Yeah.
So it's like you, you even overcame a lot of that things like clearly and you still figured your shit out and you don't have a gastric bypass surgery.
Like no, man.
Like that is, that's fucking life to me.
And I wish, I don't know.
But it translates to other avenues in my life is what I'm saying.
Like that's why you have this shit.
Because it gave me the confidence to believe in myself.
It finally I produced results in one area that seemed more unachievable than anything else.
Like it always seemed like a dream that I could never get to that I always dreamt of.
And once I was able to do that through consistency and through hard work, I realized I can translate to that to anything else that I want to achieve.
So it gave me that confidence, which is why even when I got really fat, like I was like, oh, no, it's fine.
I can recover from this.
And I have, like, I have like went back on it and I, now I have a consistent regimen.
I'm working out super hard.
I've been injured many times, had many setbacks throughout that process, had moments where I like relapse or whatever.
But ultimately, I know that I have that confidence because I've done it one time.
Yeah.
One thing I would say about fitness, though, that's like amazing to me is a lot of people ask me like, how do I start a fitness routine?
How do I get into going to the gym?
Because I'm a gym rat.
I love it.
It's meditative for me.
It's a huge part of my process.
And if I didn't have the gym, I'd freak out.
What I always say is fitness, gym work is the closest thing on this planet to alchemy, right?
There are so many things where we put so much into them, your career, your relationships, and you might not get one-to-one out, right?
You put something in and for whatever reason, luck, you know, you might not get the same results out.
The gym, fitness, it's always one-to-one.
Put these things in and you will get something out.
And that is like the closest thing to happen.
In a long enough timeline, yes.
And especially if you're doing the right thing.
Here's the deal.
in relation to what you just said, it's when you say one-to-one, it's because of self, right?
But the ironic thing about that is like, it's true for all this other stuff.
We as humans though have such a hard time accepting when like something outside of ourself doesn't go the way that we want it to be, like a relationship or a business or a friendship, whatever, that we make that about ourselves.
But the truth is that's just part of our experience.
And I think the more humans could understand that like that core value, one-to-one relationship with ourself, that's what matters in all of these other avenues, whether they work out the way we want them to work out or not.
Because how we truly ultimately want those things to work out.
Like, for example, if you want love, you have to be able to give love, right?
And vice versa.
So if you're not able to fully love yourself, you're not able to fully love another person.
So everything does come down to ourselves and us, not in a selfish way, but just in a way where it's like, I think people, you know, we talk about all these other topics, food and all that stuff.
We have such a hard time accepting we need to be that change and we need to be better.
So we constantly look for outside things like, oh, I'll get a gastric bypass surgery.
Not that it's not a good idea in some cases, it is, but we always look for this like outside external thing to like fix us.
When the reality is, it's, it's, it is from within, right?
There are certain things, like I said, genetic predispositions that you cannot change, that you will need to figure out some sort of help if you can, if you have that ability.
But it's interesting you talk about this.
I just think it's so important for people to realize like this, this thing of self, this one-to-one transaction, because you're right.
You go to the gym, the food you put in your body, the water you put in the body, it's all going to have this output that you're going to get from the work that you put in.
So what's going to be people's catalyst for having that realization?
Because you can, there's a difference between going, okay, it has to be me and then actually having that change.
Okay.
Goes back to what he said earlier.
There's just for some reason, and I felt the same exact way about my life.
When I had nothing, there was no reason to believe this, despite all my circumstances.
I was like, there's, I just want so much more out of my life.
And I, and I wanted to ask you this.
We were talking about it.
I have no idea where that came from.
I have no idea.
It's got to be parenting.
It wasn't even parenting.
Like, I grew up without a father.
My mom wasn't like, you can be anything in the world.
Like, it just happened.
I feel like you just have it.
If you put just genetically just have it.
I think, no, I don't think it's like genetic predetermination.
I think it's numerous components that factor into it and it's different for everyone.
But I think like a level of privilege certainly plays a role in it.
Even if you're like, I think that probably plays a role in it.
Yeah.
Like if, for example, being a white dude, being a straight white dude is like, obviously it doesn't fix everything and you still have plenty of struggles to overcome.
Yeah, but it's pretty sick, right?
Yeah.
I mean, it's white guys, you know, straight white guys.
Just killing it.
But like, but like there are a lot of additional hurdles that you don't have to overcome, not being that, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
That probably like the way society is designed, it probably like the fucking main characters that you see in movies and shit, like that builds your brain up in a way where you're like, maybe I am destined for greatness.
Like all these other fucking dudes that look like me have done it.
Without even realizing it, you kind of internalize that.
For me, like I, I had all these, you know, issues, but ultimately, I think I had a great upbringing and, you know, I'm Turkish.
I'm growing up in Turkey.
There isn't like a, you know, from a, from a upper class, like privileged, affluent family.
I think that probably was one of the main reasons why I always felt like, you know, I got it.
Yeah.
But I don't know.
I think it's like a level of privilege that also kind of guides you that way.
My goal always is to also change the system so that everyone can feel that.
Everyone can feel like this is a welcoming and not hostile society and that you can also achieve your results.
So here's the thing, man.
And also fix the material conditions on yourself.
I somewhat disagree because I don't think it's about changing the system.
I think it's about people changing themselves because when you talk about privilege, I grew up without a father.
My father hung himself when I was six in the garage.
Jesus Christ.
And I just want to say this really quickly.
Like, I don't think I was privileged by any means because in my mind as a six-year-old and I'm starting growing up, I'm, I look at everyone around me and I was like, why don't I have the things that they have?
Why don't I have this?
Why don't I have like, I'm not, I'm not experiencing the things that I wish these other people had.
Like, I wish I had them, right?
And still in my mind, though, I still had that conclusion that like, man, I still feel like despite my circumstances, there's something more for me.
And I still, that's why I keep going back to this idea.
Like, I think there's some other thing there.
And like the ironic part about this whole idea of you talk about fixing the system is like, we are the system, right?
This isn't surprised of all of us, but ultimately, like it, it truly, and even going back to the diet thing, like it truly and genuinely legitimately changes people's outlook without even people realizing it.
Well, that's why America and Mexico have such higher rates of obesity than fucking Europe, because little things like that you would never even consider like walkable cities in Europe and public transportation, for example.
And then also what kind of foods that they're not allowed to eat as a consequence of their own FDA, you know, banning certain types of shit is the reason why they're skinnier on average than the American because Americans drive Ford Raptors and fucking and they the only type of like exercise that they have in their otherwise sedentary lifestyles is when they go to the gym.
Oh my gosh.
When they go to the gym.
But yeah, but like that is absolutely something that you never would consider that factors into your life.
You just got to ask yourself, like, wait a minute, why the fuck are these Europeans so goddamn skinny?
But I do think there's something to what he is saying that like there are people that create an end zone for themselves.
And I think when you, for whatever reason, develop this image of like, that's myself down the road.
This is what I ascribe to.
It creates a place in your mind where you can steer into suffering.
You can steer into discomfort because there is an end zone, even if it's just something you've created.
And it is interesting to think about like, what is it that creates that end zone?
For me, I'm really different than you guys.
I never thought that I was like destined for greatness.
My motivator, and I've always told you this, was vengeance.
Everybody who was cruel to me, everybody, you know, who underestimated me, I was like, well, I'm either going to burn out or I'm going to be better than they are.
I'm going to show them what I can do.
Yeah.
And that, that was always the, I burned dirty just the whole way.
Like that's, you know, broccoli, steer into suffering.
For the record, I'm not saying that like your personal want and personal desires for self-improvement are not an important factor in this.
Absolutely, it is.
But like, I'll, I'll give you another like macro.
I'll give you another macro picture of this.
Like, like the reason why there aren't, you know, incredible comp scieners coming out of Zimbabwe is not because like they are not dreaming hard enough.
Like we all recognize it is because like, well, these motherfuckers don't have access to clean water.
I think that's like probably something that needs to be solved first before people can like dare to dream in that way.
So that's why I always talk about like fixing material problems, the underlying material problems in society to unlock the potential of people who otherwise are not even like thinking about that.
I understand that.
Of course, I think we were both thinking outside the Kalahari Bushman.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, no, no.
And I'm giving that extreme example because like it's one that everyone immediately understands.
It's like, oh, yeah, that's right.
No, I get it.
I totally get it.
I think at its core though, like if you can't immediately fix these issues that are surrounding society and people and circumstances of groups of people, you can though start within yourself.
And that's all I'm saying.
Yeah, no, I have that idea.
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Absolutely.
Because to zoom out and focus on what he's saying, there are plenty of people with every advantage.
Still fuck it up.
Yeah, that never find that self-motivation.
As a matter of fact, a lot of people that come from like super rich families, like you see them, they have fucking fail sons.
They have failed because like or they become cops.
Because they, yeah, well, because they haven't like, they, they haven't done, they haven't had enough like healthy adversity even in their lives to to understand the value of hard work even.
When you have everything served to you from birth, like you're not going to, you're not going to pan out in a super successful way.
It doesn't really matter ultimately because like when you're rich enough, when your family's rich enough, you could just like fail upwards.
And there's a lot of people at the tippy top right now that have done that.
You know what I mean?
That have failed upwards now.
But yeah, I think that there's always going to be adversity regardless, no matter what happens.
And there's going to be different social hierarchies that we aspire towards, that we want to move towards no matter what happens.
Like those things can change.
But I still do believe that the systems are ultimately infinitely more powerful than we can imagine with the way that we exist inside of them.
And that doesn't mean, you know, drop everything, be sad all the time and say, oh man, well, I got fucked over.
So fuck you.
Of course, self-improvement is the best way to feel better about yourself as well.
And to become a person that is even capable of making systemic change or to inspire others.
It's literally what I do every day and try to try to instill in my audience as well.
It's not a left or right thing.
Zooming out a little bit.
I had a question for you.
Yeah, go for it.
What was your first day in the gym?
What was the reason you first crossed that fucking threshold?
I remember the reason why.
Yeah.
Why did you first get in the gym?
Well, it originally started with sports because I played football when I was younger.
And then I realized why I really like lifting weights more than I really enjoyed actually playing the sport of football.
And I think for me was, and I'm going to try not to get emotional.
Fuck, sorry.
It's, this has still happened.
I'm so fucking old.
I've done this a long time.
It's okay, man.
It was.
Jesus Christ.
That'll help me out.
Okay, you're good.
So, yeah, no, for me, it was, I was trying to avoid these thoughts that I just always had in relationship to my father and his passing.
And like the idea that why did this happen to me?
Why do other people have what I don't have?
How come I'm dealing with this?
Why are these my circumstances?
And I think I dealt with that for so long that like when I started like from six and I'm like, I remember going to school and like, I remember the way I would like walk to school and what I would think about before school, what I would think about, like, I was just non-stop in my mind.
And I think when I found the gym, I was like, when I did the gym and I'm training, like, for example, the bench press, I was like, those thoughts went away.
And it was the only time that they went away.
So then I was like, oh, I'm addicted to this shit.
And I didn't realize it right away, but that's why I did it.
Cause every time I did it, this, this cloud was like lifted.
Yeah.
And I just felt like I needed it.
So it was like, fuck sports, fuck everything.
I just wanted to not think about this shit that I could not.
Like I told you earlier, I'm recounting.
I recount.
That's how I learned my whole life.
Imagine like from six and I'm trying to figure out like, what's life?
What's the purpose of life?
Why did my dad kill himself?
Why did he leave me?
Am I not good enough?
Why does that my friend have his dad?
How come I don't have?
And I'm just fucking non-stop doing this.
And I found the gym and I'm like, oh, it's quiet.
It just hit the mute.
It's fucking quiet here and I need that.
And I think that's also why I'm the kind of person that I'm very like, I'm like, and I talk about these concepts about like self because I was so focused inwards for so many years.
And I was like, I have this like, you know, obviously, I don't know how to say it, kind of like dogged desire to make everyone feel the same way that I felt, but I know that that's not a reality and that can't happen.
But like, I realized that's what helped me.
And that's why I think I try to push it that way.
Even though I know there obviously are substantial systematic things that affect the way people could even act in an in a, in a system in the world, et cetera.
But yeah, man, I, I just, it disappeared.
Everything was quiet.
And I was like, I need this.
So it was like, more I did this and I would just spend hours in the gym.
Didn't matter what I was doing.
And then I started to find people in the gym, father-like figures, older men that would be like, do this, do that.
And I was like, whoa, then I like, this is what I was also looking for.
And then it became this whole, this whole ecosystem of like, this is why I'm here.
Like I need this feeling because I was searching for it my whole life.
I didn't have it.
And I feel like I was finally getting it here and I was reducing the noise and I just felt more calm.
Do you feel like in a way, you know, Arnold always said sculptors, they work with clay.
They're building with my, did you feel like there was also kind of a form of like expression, like where what you were doing in the gym and your body and your output became like, obviously you turned it into a form of expression, right?
You made content around it.
Yeah, I think not so that wasn't really like my love for it.
I think I got to the point like when social media became a thing because I didn't do working out because I was like, I'm going to be a social media influencer because that's a thing now today.
It just kind of happened.
Yeah, it happened.
And, but I think then once I started doing cool shit that people were like, oh, that's cool.
I thought it was cool that people thought it was cool.
So I was like trying different ways to like impress people.
But it was never like, I was never so much like, oh, this form of art in a sense as you're describing it.
But I just, I just need the fucking gym, man, because it made me feel good about myself.
No, I totally understand the therapeutic nature of working out.
And no matter what is going wrong in other avenues of your life, remember I told you about this with respect to streaming when I told you, like, I just cut out all the outside noise.
Yeah.
And all of a sudden, when I turn on my stream, it's definitely an addiction.
But when I turn it on, like everything else is quiet.
I'm hyper focused on entertaining 30,000, 40,000 people every single moment for the next eight hours.
And that's like so crazy.
Yeah, it's, but it's awesome for me.
And the gym is a similar thing as well, where like things might be going wrong in other aspects of my life.
But like, as soon as I'm in the gym, I'm, I'm laser focused on like achieving certain goals.
You know what I mean?
Pushing a certain weight week over week.
And that is also therapeutic as well, where it's like other things might be going wrong, but at least I still have this where I have some level of control.
And there are moments where, and I was talking to you about this as well, where like, I'm dieting so well, but I'm still not, my body is like in protection mode and it's like still holding on to the fucking weight no matter what, like, right?
Um, and that there are setbacks like that, where you just feel like you're crazy.
It's like these things that used to work for me are no longer working.
What the fuck's going on?
What do I have to change?
But ultimately, I just push through it and, you know, you get the results inevitably.
And that is, that is something that gives you a lot of confidence that you can, you can bring over to other aspects of your life.
That's why I really love it and appreciate it.
Even though I do understand, like I've mentioned over and over again, that like if you're poor, like not everyone has access to a fucking gym immediately, you know what I mean?
Not everyone has access.
Unfortunately, I wish they did.
And, you know, not everyone has the free time.
If you're like so fucking stuck in poverty that like you're literally taking care of your parents and you're working and then you don't have enough time to like work out on top of that.
It's just like there's always.
There's always a way that you can like restructure your life in a way that you can, you know, figure it out.
I guess there's resources available, dude.
Even if you just can do like push-ups and pull-ups yeah, that's a solid workout.
For the most part, all you could do put a body, all you need is like a yeah, body weight squats.
I mean you could hold some random but put a bar in a doorway and do pull-ups and push-ups back to back and you can get a great workout.
Yeah, like.
As far as for that mental aspect of it maybe, if you're not trying to like sorry, if you're trying to be like some bodybuilder, that might not be the most efficient way.
No, of course, but like for the mental aspect, like just a 30 minutes like non-stop routine, like that mental clarity that you're gonna get from that is gonna be a crazy.
It's interesting.
I think about it now.
I couldn't do a single push-up when I was younger.
I was so fat and like.
What I started doing and this is so weird I I hadn't ever.
I don't think i've ever talked about this.
What I started doing is when I was watching tv.
I would like try to stay in push-up position for the duration of a commercial.
I know that, like some other celebrity is like, I think, talked about like doing push-ups during commercials and shit.
Was it?
Oh, my god, it might be literally Hers Walker.
Actually, I think Herschel walks a lot in common.
Yeah, me and Hers Walker dude, we agree on the same political issues um, but uh yeah, that's like I didn't hear it from him, but it's just like one way that I was trying to like produce results in my life that are a tangible that I can like immediately.
Uh see, was like I would just like sit in push-up position, like shaking, for like a minute.
You want to hear some of my psychopathic tendencies because you're sharing yours?
Yeah um, it's not a psychopath i'm about to share.
Okay, let's hear.
Um, I remember in uh college, when I was 18, I lived, I was in Sacramento state and uh, I was so crazy into what I was doing, like training wise, and I was actually not as well versed into nutrition and diet and all this stuff as I am now.
Obviously, and as I was after this point, which i'll explain sorry, we did footsies on this.
Yeah, we just, we just we just took that dope.
That was dope um, but uh, so I uh like what you said.
You're the plank position thing.
I would, once I started getting abs.
I would never not flex my abs.
I'm talking about to the point.
This is no, I know what you're talking about.
I'm talking about I would try to go to sleep with my abs flexed.
That's awesome, bro.
It was the most ocd.
It's crazy.
Like I would sit in class no matter what i'm like, my abs are tight and it was so bad dude, like.
The reason why I want to share this story is because I got to the point.
Is it bad, though?
I feel like you're bracing your core all the time oh, but you probably no, it was up.
Your no no no, not the physical act of it, but my the I.
The mentality behind this whole need for this was a was a very negative one, because not that that was bad um, but I got to the point.
Like at that point in my life, at 18 years old, my dick stopped working completely because I was dieting so hard and doing so much activity and this overworking like crazy overwork you know we're talking earlier about this like yeah, I did that to a degree where you can do that if you yeah, stop nutrients me and touch it, Okay.
I think it might be the noise gate too, man.
It's not.
It's just like we're good now.
18 dick stops working.
You're overworking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm non-stop like training and I was completely under eating, like massively under eating.
And it was, but it was so OCD where it was like at every point of the day, if I put something in my mouth, I was eating.
You're burning it off.
I was like going to the bathroom doing push-ups till I'm sweating.
I'm like, I'd go back to my dorm and I'd do curls till like I couldn't curl anymore.
I do push-ups so I couldn't do push-ups anymore.
Jesus Christ.
It was such a problem.
It's rocky.
But I'm literally laying in bed trying to go.
He loves it.
And I'm laying in bed trying to go to sleep.
And I'm like, I'm like laying down flat, like with my abs tense until like, and I'm like staying up all night.
Like I'm not getting sleep.
I get to the point where like I'm waking up like every 15 minutes peeing because my body's like, what I understand now doing the research after is like slowly eating itself, like breaking down like the protein of my muscle to like create enough energy to sustain my body because I was so under eating that I'm like pissing every like 15 minutes at night.
This is a real problem.
You're burning like 4,000, 5,000 calories just because you're constantly acting like not just that, not just that, but also.
And you don't have enough food in it.
So you can't sustain it.
So it's like eating away at the muscle that you're doing.
Oh, bro.
Yeah, listen.
Exactly that.
But I would also, I would ride a bike, like a BMX bike, 45 minutes to a gym, do 45 minutes on a fucking elliptical, train for an hour.
Okay, you're ride the bike.
What do you think you were burning?
Bro, I had, I mean, I was literally killing myself.
That's like my dick stopped working where I was like, I was like, like Michael Phelps, you know how people talk about Michael Phelps, like when he's training for Olympic, you know, swimming, he was eating like his burn rate was like 8,000 calories a day.
Like, I assume that's what you're.
I was killing myself.
Yeah.
Legit.
Like, and I was, I remember like my fate.
I remember people were like, yo, are you good?
I was like, I'm great because I have abs.
You know, like my, my, it was delusion.
It was like some shit.
Posture Over Pain00:05:55
I really went through some shit that was like not, like, that was not a healthy time in my life.
No.
But the cool thing about it was as soon as my dick stopped working and about six months go by and I'm like, like, literally, I'd have a girl over and be just like, I'd be like, what the fuck is?
And I did, this is all new to me.
I'm 18.
Yeah.
I'm like, oh, I need to fix this.
So I went to my, my doctor and he tries to give me like, he's like, try this like Viagra or like siala shit.
And I'm like, 15?
Exactly, right?
Oh, fuck that.
Exactly.
That is another component of like, that is something I fucking despise.
We could talk about that in a second.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let me finish this.
So, so anyways, I didn't take it.
I was just like, he's like, but you should probably eat more.
And like, that was the thing.
It was like, and I was like, okay, so I start eating more and I start the thing that I did, I was like, okay, why is my dick not working?
And I started learning about hormones.
And then I started reading all this stuff about diet and nutrition and how it affects your hormones and how it's synthesized in the body and how all this stuff is so closely related to what you eat.
But that's when I learned so much and became really enamored with the actual science behind what happens in the body.
And that's when I started to learn about it.
And then it took me about seven, eight months because like I started eating again.
And then my dick finally started working like maybe three months.
And then I got kind of like a little pudgy, a little fatter because like my body had a pretty much drastic yo-yo.
And then I kind of like balanced it out.
So it took maybe like a year and a half to feel like normal again.
Yeah.
But this was a life-changing part of my life.
Yeah.
I'm telling you, your self-help book, it's titled, Okay, why is my dick not working?
Dude, it was tough.
One thing that you mentioned there, your doctor's immediate solution is crazy.
18 years old.
That's not hard.
I hate that because like that is how that is literally, I'm sorry to say this, but a product of a byproduct of capitalism.
We're like, because our medical system is so reliant on constantly fucking driving profit when medicine is not supposed to be for profit.
And it usually isn't anywhere else around the world.
You know what I mean?
It's like they have socialized system in place for a fucking reason.
But in America, that shit is like super on overdrive.
That's why we pay 10 times more for like insulin and shit.
You know what I mean?
Than any other goddamn country.
But like it's one of the things that has also created the opioid crisis that like our doctors are trained to basically sell you product.
Prescribe, prescribe, prescribe.
Whereas like pain management is such a complicated thing that should factor physical therapy in it.
It has to have physical therapy.
Like when you injure yourself, and this happens to me sometimes, like I'm in the gym, I injure myself.
I go to the doctor, doctor's like, all right, put you on ibuprofen at least.
I'm like, I don't want that.
I want fucking, I need physical therapy.
Like I need physical therapy so I can like fix the issue rather than fucking like just dull the pain because the pain is there because of a muscular imbalance or the pain is there because of like something I'm doing physically that's wrong.
Right.
Like I have maybe overdeveloped, like I have gamer neck.
I'm sure you see this all the time.
Everyone, most people now have this because they're like sitting like this all day, right?
Or they're like this old phone.
Yeah.
So you have, you have like overdeveloped, you know, front delts and overdeveloped your traps are overdeveloped.
But then you're like back is underdeveloped.
So you have no scap muscles.
Yep.
And you have to work that.
You have to make sure that there's some balance there because all muscles work like fucking this.
And if you're only working on this and this one is like constantly stretching, the moment that you have to activate it, the moment that you have to activate the other side, you injure yourself.
And like people don't think about it like that and immediately just go, just dull the pain.
There's no issue with like, you know, if you have chronic pain or whatever, obviously, you know, this is really important.
I'm not like an anti-medicine guy at all.
But there are certain physical ailments that absolutely require physical therapy, but because that's like super complicated and super expensive and not as profitable.
Those do not include 18 year old impudence.
No, no, no.
But no, but it's the same.
It's the same mentality of like, instead of having a more holistic approach to your health, because the body is like a very complex thing, right?
Instead of looking at like all of the other things that you are genuinely doing wrong, hugely doing it.
Immediately they're like, all right, how do we solve the problem?
Your dick's not working.
Here's Viagra.
That's insane.
No, it is insane.
I fucking hate that.
And there's also so many other things you could do.
Like as far as like, we talk about like talking about ibuprofen and all this type shit.
Like there's so many other things you could do that are just like more natural remedies and there's other supplements that are actually really beneficial for the rest of your body that help reduce inflammation that you could also just take.
Turmeric.
Turmeric, boswellia, serata.
There's all these different things that lower inflammation in the body that people just like, they just rather give you a pill that is actually slightly liver toxic and these other things are not at all.
And it's just like, it's just created blood thinning.
It does all these other things in the body that it's like not necessary to fix the problem that like you're saying is more largely dependent on like fixing your fucking posture.
Yeah.
It's like, but it's like, we're not knowing, that's the thing.
But if you don't, because if you don't do that, if you don't fix your posture, if you don't actually figure out where the fucking issue is and then work to like, you know, work against your muscular imbalances and like, you know, fix the problem, you're going to run into the same problem again.
Yeah.
And then you're going to need to dull the pain again.
And it doesn't matter because you didn't fix anything.
You just taking medication.
And this is why I keep talking about this whole thing about self and all these problems we have in the world, et cetera.
It's like, at the end of the day, it is us having to fucking deal with the situation and the circumstances and trying to learn about ourselves in relationship to them.
Like, what do we actually need to fix?
It's like a lot of times, like, all we can really do is something that's from us.
Because we, we can't, obviously, we want to affect change, right?
And I know that's important for you, but like at the same time, in order to do that, we have to be well suited to do that.
We have to be willing to do that within ourselves first.
Yeah.
I got a piss real quick.
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Yeah, that's fine.
I was just about to say on that note, yeah, let's, you know, where can people find you?
We're going to move on to the paywalled port broadcast where we're going to be looking at gym talks and stuff as well and talk about some more, you know, issues surrounding the self and mind and improvement.
Where can people find you, Brad?
Instagram at Bradley Martin, Bradley Martin with a Y. I'm on YouTube.
You can just probably have like four channels.
Raw Talk, if you guys like the podcast, I'd appreciate it.
We're going to go subscribe.
That's actually the most. fun I have making content is this kind of content.
So Raw Talk is my podcast.
I'm at Zoo Culture at Encino every day.
It's on Ventura Boulevard.
Yeah, stop by.
Literally, I'm there around 11 o'clock.
Come say hi.
All right.
Perfect.
All right.
We'll see you on the other side, everybody.
Patreon.com slash fear and not live.
Oh, shit.
It's lit.
You did a good job.
Thank you.
That was awesome.
Even if we're talking about the idea of being alpha male versus non-alpha male and like talking about or saying I have this or showing I have that.
Are you an alpha male?
Do you consider yourself that?
I don't know.
I don't know what the fuck it means, but I am a very secure person.
Okay.
So I'm a confident person.
I'm confident in my ability to achieve goals that I set out for myself.
That sounds alpha.
And I feel like I've accomplished enough in my life that my accomplishments speak for themselves.
I don't have to constantly fucking, you know, be like, oh, I'm the best.
I'm the best.
I'm the brightest.
Okay.
So on that point, right, you sound like an alpha male to me.
And you said you don't have to speak about your things.
There is another thing here, though, that's at play, which is like the need to also speak about other people's things, right?
The need to say he's not alpha because of these reasons is also indicative of someone who's not.
And if we're just talking about being alpha, it's just, it is what it is.
Like, I think there's certain things like, you know, you're welcome to criticize anyone for whatever you want, obviously, because that's the internet and it's the world we live in.
But there are also ways to look at it where it's like, is it also necessary to say so-and-so's this or so-and-so's that?
because they're doing these things that I don't necessarily agree with or would do myself.