Hasan Piker and Todd in the Shadows share a Turkish mukbang, bonding over Adana kebab while contrasting Todd's $500,000 esports career with his recent hand injury. They debate socialism, arguing for worker autonomy over top-down management, citing Nate Shaw's controversial contract decisions as proof of predatory capitalism. Ultimately, the episode critiques the impossibility of ethical consumption under current systems and concludes that billionaire influence, exemplified by Elon Musk, inherently conflicts with genuine kindness. [Automatically generated summary]
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Todd Refuses Podcasts00:14:27
What's going on, everybody?
We're back with another episode of Fear and and let me tell you something, okay?
This is unheard of.
We have a guest that notoriously refuses to go on podcasts.
Oh, shit.
Putting me on the spot.
Notoriously refused to go on podcasts, but we had to get him.
We had to get him for the fear and audience.
That's right.
The man, the myth, the legend, Todd in the building.
Good to be here.
I do turn down a lot of people, but you know, I made an exception for you.
My fellow Turk, and I wanted to, you know, show him some support.
And this is my way of doing it.
Yeah, I was like, bro, struggling.
I was like, we're struggling on the numbers.
We need to hit the Vallo community a little bit.
We need to fucking.
Yeah, you got to tap into a new market.
We got to figure it out.
And I was the guy for the job, I guess.
Oh, yeah.
And I told him, like, don't you wear fucking pants.
You got to look real slutty.
I know.
He's nailing the, I mean, he's got the hair hanging out the sides.
I think you're doing a better job than me.
I got the slut strands going.
I'm opened up.
We're in your, we're in your costume.
I know, dude.
On top of it all, I was like, dude, you got an office in New York or something?
He's like, no, we got to shoot in your apartment.
Oh, I'm like, okay.
All right.
Yeah.
You know, I actually had a podcast studio that, no, I booked a podcast studio, but I knew that this would be easier for us to do it together because, like, I'm fucking around.
It's way better for me, too.
I don't have to go anywhere.
I want it to be as easy for you because, bro, this guy, okay, I'll just say it.
Oh, I don't even know what to say.
I was just saying, he was like, I don't want to, dude, I don't know.
I don't do podcasts, bro.
Like, I hate that.
And I was like, I'm not a podcast guy.
And we had never actually talked to one another all that long before until we met for the first time.
This is last night.
Yeah.
I met him last night.
Like, you've been watching.
Your brother's been watching me.
My brother knows about you from your political commentary stuff, but I don't really know about you apart from Twitch.
Yeah.
Coming to your stream every now and then.
But I found you a long time ago, actually.
Yeah.
Speaking of, yeah, Todd, and fun fact, for those of you who don't know, literally one of my oldest subs, like continue his oldest subs.
You're like a 40-month subscriber.
I know.
You've been there.
I've been showing you in love.
Yeah.
And it was like when he had like no viewers and like 35 years.
Yeah, he was like a total, he's still a boomer, but he's a total boomer back then.
Now he knows the lingo.
Yeah, at least, yeah.
He's been, yeah, I've been, I've been pog champing.
And yeah, he's been like, you don't expect this guy to pog champ.
No, no, not at all.
I don't actually, I still rarely ever use emotes when I'm talking in real life.
No, that's, that's the worst thing you could do, man.
That's my fear, actually.
I stream so much, rechat so much that when I go into an IRL interaction, I say something like, uh, bro, I'll fucking die.
I'm already saying IRL interaction.
Even IRL itself.
No, IRL is no.
Oh, in real life, bro?
That's like IRLs, like, that's like, that's like, that's like Normie shit, though.
Everyone says IRL.
Normies now know what IRL is, but like, originally, like, highest tier normies, like the most Norman people.
The real Normans.
They don't even fucking know what I, when you say IRL, they're like, what?
What the fuck?
The fuck's RL.
Is that what you mean?
Because their whole life is in real life, bro.
They're never online.
That's true.
They have a word for the other side.
Like, oh, I did that online.
The dark web is what they call it, probably.
That's probably what they stream on the dark web.
Yeah, they don't even fucking know what's happening here.
But yeah, we wanted to get in touch with our Turkish roots.
I told Toddock, like, I'm not going to ask any fucking hardball questions or anything like that.
Don't worry.
I think you thought, what did you think?
You thought we were going to do all politics or something?
I mean, I actually didn't know.
I asked him last night because he was asking me about coming on.
He's like, I don't want to.
I'm like, what's the agenda?
To be honest, I don't want to do it.
I told him straight up, like, I don't.
And then I was like, okay, I'm going to do it as a favor for you.
And he said, you know, it's not politics.
It's just chill.
We just shoot the shit, talk about whatever.
So I'm like, fuck it.
It'll probably be pretty easy.
But I yeah, i'm gonna do that right now.
Yeah so listen um, for those of you, like everybody knows who you are on on the Twitch space but, like I have an audience that's very different um, like your brother and other people.
So uh, give us, give us a little bit of background.
Like, what do you do to to those who are watching who not know Kodduk is?
Yeah, so i'm born and raised in Brooklyn, New York.
I've lived here my whole life.
Um basically, i'm doing full-time content creation right now on Twitch youtube, all that stuff.
Um, but previous to this uh, I was a competitor on professional esports teams for Counter-strike, so i've been on like six different teams.
Um, I competed for about seven or eight years and I was just playing pro, uh kind of crazy, traveling the world, going to events, competing.
I've been to like probably like 25 countries at this point um, and I did that for a very long time.
I went pro early.
So I, after high school, I basically signed my first contract.
No, college just moved to Cali Gaming House and then, from there, just took off, and i've been doing that since, and then recently, this past year, i'm doing content creation.
So now i'm like basically doing what you do, obviously in a completely different section category.
I, I do the gaming side more you're, more you know, react dandy, political commentary, all this stuff everything um, but I I play, just you know, fps shooters, mainly like Valorant or Counter-strike, and Counter-strike was the game that I was pro in.
But I play Valorant now because it's, it's like the new.
Would you ever go pro and Valorant?
Um, I don't think it's really in the cards, just because I don't want to, like you know, go back and forth.
I want to just stay in one lane and commit to what i'm doing.
Um, so it's not really something i'm trying to pursue at the moment.
It's a question I get all the time because obviously people see the skill.
Yeah, people see the skill and they know I have the experience and that's something they would love to, you know, make happen.
But uh yeah, i've done it for such a long time dude it's it's, you know it's it's, it's been too long.
So now i'm looking for something new and content creation.
It's fun man, like I meet so many people, do so many different things.
Yeah, and you're, and you're doing it for yourself.
That's the main difference.
Like you're not, you're not doing it for anybody else.
You are um, you know you're working on your own, you're you're your own boss.
You have your own hours.
That's like that's usually key.
Like that was a big jump for me when I went from the Young Turks to Twitch, when I went full-time.
I went full-time in 2020 and when I first went full time, I was like really scared.
I was like what am I gonna do?
I'm i'm used to having a salary, even though it was low, as I was like i'm used to this.
I'm used to the health care right, all the shit.
I don't know if Valorant or Episode, it's a risk.
It's a risk right, because they offer healthcare, like the esports teams uh yeah, they have benefits healthcare 401k, all that.
Yeah exactly, I didn't have to like it's like a full, it's like a regular job, like employment.
But it was probably the best thing i've ever done in my life because, like you know that I mean demonstrably, I started popping off after that yeah, but you know, you did take a risk at the same time, because i'm sure I think you were doing both at one point right, and then um, but you're kind of, you know, trying to pursue something that doesn't really have a clear path on how it's done or what you're gonna get out of it.
So and and not.
There's so many people trying to become streamers.
Now right, like everyone wants to be a fucking streamer, everyone says that.
Have you ever seen those fucking?
There's always like a survey they'll do.
And like top professions that, like children, want to be back in the day used to be like astronaut.
Oh Oh, you're a big fan of the world.
Or he's all like fucking firefighter and shit.
Like, now it's all like YouTuber, TikTok, or a Twitch streamer.
Makes sense, though.
It's a different world.
I mean, it's a pretty sweet job.
I'm not going to lie.
It's pretty awesome.
It's nuts, man.
The fact that we get to do what we do, like, the life balance of a streamer compared to a pro.
That's how I kind of compare it.
It's totally different.
Like, traveling compared to like kind of doing what I want for myself, working for myself.
Yeah, it's obviously a risk, but if it works out, you know, it definitely pays off.
We were hanging out with Saikuno last night.
He said he looked through your records.
He looked through your records and he said that you had no losses whatsoever.
Or like, I think you had like one or two losses or something like that.
He's always trying to hype me up.
Is that true?
I think he said, I wish it was true, man.
That'd be fucking insane, right?
Just a perfect record.
Not perfect record, but he said you have very few losses.
No, I've played in so many events, dude.
So I've been competing for seven years, right?
So I've been to like probably, I don't know, over 100 events, right?
Damn.
So it would be tough to have that, but we've won some big ones, thankfully.
There's some notable achievements there.
The major win is like what I always get memed about.
Like major winner, Tarek.
Because it's like, I guess in comparison, it's like, you know.
The hardest thing.
Yeah, it's like the biggest thing of it all.
So it's like the Super Bowl, for example, for like football.
If you compare it, it's like the major thing.
That's crazy.
What's the purse on that?
So I think when we won, it was a million.
Did you get all of it?
So the prize pool was a million, and then first place was 500.
And then it's divided amongst you and your teammates, your coach, your org.
Your org takes a piece of that?
Your org generally standard rates is your org takes 10 to 15%.
I think at the time it was 15%.
So 15% was off the top.
But we still got like great payday in terms of that.
It's obviously the prize pool is huge, but it's also every competitor's dream to win the major.
Yeah, but that's one of them.
They give you a ring or something?
I wish.
In Call of Duty, they do that, but not in Counter Strike.
I know, dude.
The worst part of it all is that for some of these events that we win, we don't really get something.
The trophy goes to the org.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Like a medal or something, right?
I complained about this for years.
I thought they give like smaller versions of it to other people, like to all the people that played.
Yeah, it's totally fucked up.
It is fucked up.
Generally speaking, like players should, in other sports and everything, they do.
In other esports, they do as well.
You got to go out to the club rocking it.
Exactly.
What's up?
Yeah.
Or you should make...
Flash my shit.
I'm going to make my own ring, honestly.
Fuck it.
Major winner, Toddic.
There you go.
That way people can flame you harder when you're playing on Mike.
No, when they're flaming me, I just show them my ring.
You'd be like, yeah, kiss the ring.
Kiss the ring.
Talk to the ring, bitch.
Exactly.
Okay, so this is, I mean, you don't want to talk too much about your background or whatever because you said you've exhausted it.
No, yeah, we can talk about it.
I don't mind.
Obviously, we're talking to like a new audience, so I would like to explain to you guys who I am and where I come from.
We're both Turkish, but you grew up in America.
I'm Turkish.
I grew up in Turkey.
I came here when I was 18.
Yeah.
There's a little bit of a difference there, I think.
His Turkish is way better than mine.
We talked a little bit.
We can talk here.
It's like street Turkish.
Yeah, you use like slang, which is interesting.
Kundushios is slang.
It's like shortened.
I changed the words up how I like it.
Definitely.
Yeah, because your tongue is not used to rolling in a way.
We're going to have to put subtitles on this.
I'm just letting you know.
Sorry to the we're going to make it.
I'm trying to show because it's fucking, yeah.
So much, I'm just saying my Turkish is trash.
I don't use it enough.
He's got, he's got a, what's the term?
Is he bitchy?
He's got an immigrant Turkish.
He grew up overseas in America.
Yeah.
And like you can tell, a lot of German people have kind of a broken accent too.
Still pretty good, though.
I mean, listen.
I understand everything you say.
So I can understand no problem.
It's just when I talk.
Do you read him right?
Decent, not great, though.
Not great.
Okay.
Like the hard part is when I hear like a politician talking Turkish, like there, then it's like very much.
I have a hard time understanding them.
Yeah, like that's like the comparison.
Like then it's like fuck man, what the fuck?
Sometimes they use like big ass words like Ottoman era words and shit.
I'm like, what the fuck's this motherfucker saying?
Like even I have a hard time with that.
And that's because like I just haven't been, you know, I haven't been speaking or listening to Turkish, like regular colloquial Turkish for a while, you know?
Right.
But I do, I do think in Turkish when I'm in Turkey or like if I speak Turkish for an extended period of time, I start thinking in Turkish.
I have that too, but it's not just it's when I get mad.
I was telling you this.
Yeah.
I was like, when I get really pissed, it feels like it's easier to express my emotion to myself.
It's like in my head, I'll be cursing in Turkish.
What do you got?
Give me a good one.
I don't know.
I'm going to quote them in Troju Orospu.
I just hit it all.
Anony Sikium is like the perfect.
I just fucking run through the lines.
I do that too when I'm playing fucking video games.
I get mad.
I start fucking up.
It feels more expensive.
By the way, I hope my mom doesn't watch this shit.
Yeah.
Oh, no.
I'm sorry.
Sorry, Mama Todd.
Okay, well, we're in the East Coast.
First, I gotta say, Marsh, you want to get a shot at this?
You got the Nazadabo in Juan.
Oh, yeah.
Which is which is incredibly Turkish.
It is.
Like, every Turk has to be clear.
I didn't get it.
My mom, it was like the first thing she brought here.
Yeah.
Like, she was like, the second we walked into this apartment, it's the first thing she wanted, like, hung it up.
I'm on.
Allah kurasun.
Yeah, exactly.
No, I. Someone will, you know, what if, what if someone is jealous?
And then it's so real, man.
It's, it's so fucking real.
And I, I told you.
That's what it's supposed to do.
It's supposed to protect you.
The evil eye, for those of you who don't know, supposed to protect you from the jealousy attacks.
Oh shit, is that our food already?
Yeah.
God damn, let's go.
Got it.
Okay, just it's just on the screen.
Just press answer and then unlock after.
So we are going to have some Turkish food.
Well, I was going to paywall this part, but fuck it.
We could just have it here and then we'll talk about some other shit on the okay.
We don't have nearly enough minutes yet, so we'll just eat it on this.
We'll just give it to you for shit.
We already ran out of topics, dude.
No, no, no, no.
I was going to.
Don't worry.
I still got plenty to talk to you about.
No, I just met like.
It's already here.
We could eat it while it's hot.
Yeah, I don't want to wait.
So yeah, you'll get it for fucking free and whatever.
You'll get it for fucking free instead of behind the paywall.
I got your guy eating Turkish food.
Todic said Tarek generously got the food for us, but he was my guest.
Yeah, this very Turkish review.
I haven't had good Turkish food in a minute.
LA, not a lot of good Turkish food.
There's like Armenian food that's pretty close enough.
Like it's close enough.
It's pretty good.
Yeah.
But it's not the same.
And, you know, I just, I haven't had like the Turkish food.
You're going to love it, man.
You're going to love it.
It's going to be like.
So I'm excited.
I'm going to be back.
I got literally, this man foolishly gave me his fucking phone.
So I ordered like a thousand.
Yeah.
I was like, get whatever you want.
And he got whatever he wanted.
Yeah, no, I got like literally everything because I want to do a taste test.
Free Turkish Food Fight00:07:52
You know, what's your favorite food?
What's your favorite Turkish food?
My favorite dish.
It was for a long time East Kinder, but right now I just love Adana.
Like Adana's good because it's spicy a little bit.
So I always get that.
What about you're not a Manta guy?
Manta is good too.
Yeah, I like Manta.
Manta's probably my favorite.
I love Manta.
I have always been a donata guy.
They said that this place has Turkish donato with like a Turkish bread.
So I'm excited to see.
It's going to be fucking.
Would you say, but is Turkish food your favorite type of food?
Did your parents cook a lot of Turkish food?
Yeah, a lot of Turkish food for sure.
So I've had a lot, and I think it's what I'm most comfortable with.
So it's definitely something I eat the most.
But in terms of my favorite, yeah, what is the one type of food you can eat for the rest of your life?
If I had to pick, I don't know.
I feel like I love a good steak with sides like that.
But I don't know if I could last forever with that.
It might get boring.
Chicken.
If we're being smart, chicken.
If it's my favorite food, though, I mean, that's what I eat.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
Chicken is what I eat the most.
Chicken is what I could eat forever for the most versatile food.
Yeah, we'll pause it here for a second.
Or, I mean, we could keep it going.
I was going to say, we just hide the fucking bags of the fucking place.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Awesome.
All right.
Yeah, if there was a type of food, chicken, smart answer, but my favorite food, probably pizza.
Yeah, pizza is easy.
We had some bomb-ass pizza last night.
You missed out.
Dude, it was so good, dude.
It was like a bad thing.
One of the things I have to do when I'm here, whenever I come to the East Coast, like there's a couple different food groups that I have to consider.
You have to hit it, right?
Pizza, sub, like a real sub, because they don't fucking do that shit.
Like a good Italian sub.
Can't get that.
Yeah, hit up Cat's Belly, man, for that, for the sandwich for sure.
Have you been to Cats?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, there's good, there's good, not like as good.
Cantors is like all right.
As far as like Jewish delis goes, I've had cats, of course.
I fucking love that shit.
Russ and Daughters for a bagel and locks, but I don't even eat locks.
Yeah.
But they got some good ass bagels there too.
But that's another one: breakfast sandwich.
It is.
You breakfast sandwich, pizza.
You got to get your.
Yeah.
It's all good.
None of them.
I mean, these things don't fucking.
They functionally might as well not exist in Los Angeles.
Pizza, they've gotten a lot better at with in LA, but fucking no good breakfast sandwiches.
I've never been able to get.
They have breakfast burritos, which are mom, but I've never been able to get a fucking breakfast sandwich in LA that's like even remotely near the yeah, dude.
There's there's so much food like over here.
You have like every cuisine, like everything.
So it's honestly one of the reasons it's nice because if I get bored of one thing, I have like 300 other options, for example.
There's like always people to order.
My favorite food in general, I think I might just go with like sushi, maybe.
Honestly, I love sushi.
I love pizza too, so it's huff.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Pizza's up there.
I don't know if I have a clear favorite, though.
That's the problem.
That's why I'm struggling to give you a straight answer.
Oh, we forgot the baklova.
Oh, fuck.
We forgot bakalova no.
I didn't order that.
We're gonna, I'll grab you.
I'll grab you some for another day.
And damn.
That's looking meaty.
That's looking meaty.
You got we got monsters, too.
I wanted to try it.
Oh, yeah.
Are we gonna be in frame if I like get closer?
Got the Tesla thing.
I was gonna talk about that.
Fucking, I hate Tesla.
Oh, man.
Elon Musk, and I hate Tesla's.
Why don't you like Elon?
What did he do to you, man?
First of all, what did he do to me?
He did the everybody.
Oh, fuck.
It seems like a... I feel like.
Oh, so, okay, this is like a cigarette buddy.
Kind of like Spanacapata, I think it's called.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like, it's like Greek.
I mean.
Fuck with that heavy.
And this one has like fetish bite cheese.
We got kind of, and then we got like fucking Bob chicken sandwich as well.
Yeah, I got a.
I'm alright.
I'm not even fucking waiting.
Oh.
Yeah.
This is.
I don't know what this is.
Order this.
You might have ordered.
I don't even know what this is.
What is that?
It said Turkish bread.
This is not Turkish bread.
I got a PITA.
Yeah, yeah.
I got a Pita bread.
This doesn't have anything.
Wait, is this Turkish bread?
Which one is yes, this is Turkish bread.
Okay.
This is when he said Turkish bread.
I thought they meant like a khmik.
Have you ever had like real Turkish bread?
Like it's like you're talking about a long wrap of that?
Not a wrap.
It's like bread bro.
I got you.
Like a hero kind of.
Yeah.
Like a like a hoagie.
I got you.
No, this is like this is like their homemade uh turkey.
They call it uh pita like this homemade pita.
Yeah.
Bomb.
I don't know.
They didn't hear Marshall's been in the background saying this podcast shit is easy.
Okay, bro.
I'm gonna make you do more remote shoes then if you like us so much.
I'm gonna put this down.
I gotta fucking fix my hair real quick or else that's one of the worst things about long hair is it gets in your fucking gets in your face and in your mouth while you're eating.
This is Ezme.
I got Ezme.
Do you fuck with that?
Yeah.
And we got manta.
And I got a chicken platter for myself.
This is just like what I normally and PETA.
I think the most what is it?
Oh, he's about to go in putting up his hair.
He's about to go fucking demon mode on this food.
No, the hot sauces come with the pills.
So I think each one.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
This is like a this is like Ramazampidesi.
Like this is they usually only make this during Ramadan and Turkey.
Jumping in there.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
This is like hot ones now.
What is it?
Like hot ones.
You ever stop podcast?
Oh, fuck.
Really eat and talk.
Yeah.
I wish I had the podcasting aptitude of Sean Evans so I could ask you cutting questions in the middle of a fucking bite while lowering your defenses.
You know what I mean?
That's how he does it.
But oh, he like, oh, he gives him food and then he asks him like a heart-hitting question.
Yeah, he'll be like, I'm gonna do my Sean Evans right now.
There's a classic clip of you playing in the underpass.
What did you feel in that moment?
In the underpass.
Like I said, talking about overpass.
So, people that know me know what he's talking about, but like I said, I told him before I was told not to kill those guys in that clip.
It's just a clip of me like missing on the back of two guys.
Yeah, you have the flank on him.
I have a flank on him and I'm moving up on him slowly.
And then I lift the clip, but I was letting him know that that's exactly what was supposed to happen in that moment.
Sarcastic Heart-Hitting Questions00:03:14
It was for the better.
It was for the better.
Somehow.
Another Sean Evans show up is like, he'll say, like, you're seen as a bit of a bad boy in esport.
Streaming shirtless regularly, eating cereal while you're playing.
Has that image helped you become a better content creator?
Dude, if you ask me like that, I think he's being sarcastic as fuck.
I'd be like, come on, man.
No, but the shirtless stuff is funny you say.
Started off because I was in my room playing.
We get super fucking hot.
My dad gets pissed when I keep my AC on for too long.
Whatever, this and that.
My AC is fucking busted.
Yeah, I can't keep my PC on at night.
Like, everything has to go off.
No fucking lights.
Something's like...
You can't waste power.
Is it because of money or is it because like it's both, honestly?
It's money as well.
You know, I come from a pretty lower class family, but it's also just the principle, I guess.
I want to fucking keep it open.
Because for me now, a couple things.
Like, my dad, whenever you stay with me and my mom, they literally cannot stand having the AC on all day.
I'm like, yo, it's my house, okay?
And two, like, I'm in a room full of fucking electrical equipment and lights.
You don't understand.
This shit gets hot as hell in here.
Yeah.
They're always like, come on, turn the AC down.
And they used to literally turn it down on their own.
I was like, no.
Yeah, you fucking pissed off.
I have the nest.
So now I just like control it.
It could be a game of like them turning the AC down and me turning it back up.
Or, you know, taking it down to like a 69.
Yeah.
I know what you mean, but it's the same thing.
Literally, it's even if it's not about the money, it's just the principle of keeping it open.
When'd you move out of your parents' house?
So I just moved into here.
It's been almost three months now.
Yeah.
Nice.
I like living alone.
Definitely a lot more responsibility.
Just like everyday life.
You got to take care of all your shit on your own.
You don't have like, you know, people helping you.
So I think it's the right step, you know, growing as a person and shit like that.
Just becoming like, you know, an adult, basically, because I've been traveling and living at home.
So the most Turkish thing you can do is literally be 30 years old and living with your mom.
There is nothing more Turkish than that.
Yeah.
Literally until you get married.
I think so as well.
And the thing is that your parents want you to stay home too.
Yeah.
They don't want you to leave.
So it's like on top of you not wanting to leave.
They don't want you to leave.
So I guess it works out.
But I think it's a good step.
You moved out on your own or were you living alone for always?
I did the non-Turkish thing and at the age of 18 came to America by myself.
Oh shit.
So now it's totally different.
Yeah, my dad did not want me to at all.
Like at all.
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He was like, what the fuck?
It kind of came at him by surprise, basically.
Because like, I don't know if I've ever talked about this really on stream.
Like, I no kind of came at him by surprise because like I was studying for the OSSA at the time, which is like the aptitude, like the SAT is basically for Turkey and everyone has to take it.
Because we actually got public education country, dude.
You got to use the hot and white, yeah.
Yeah, it's not even hot, but it's no, it's good.
Good as fuck.
It makes it.
By the way, we get a drink.
Yeah.
I'm going to grab one.
Yeah.
I can come back.
It's cool, right?
Bro, you got...
Oh, my God.
You got the fucking bottle of Diet Coke.
Bro, this is the most.
This is literally straight up turkey right now.
I've never fucking seen, I have not seen like someone pull up, whip out a one and a half liter bottle of Diet Coke in a very long time.
I don't know.
I feel like Americans always have cans.
I have cans always.
I never have a big bottle.
You know, no ice for me.
I'd rather drink at room temperature.
Trying to assess his evaluation through his facial expression.
It's got too much vegetable in it.
But does loaded dinner, but the donut part is really fucking good.
That's probably one of the best donuts I've ever had.
That's the fucked up thing about it.
Because they don't put that much donut.
Yeah.
Yeah, they really fucking load it up.
They load it up with the veg.
It's probably carried off.
It's probably got, you know.
But the donut is fucking fire.
That's a really good donator.
We'll never tell you where this is from.
Get fucked.
Head, dude.
Yeah.
Oh, it hits the spot.
It's dangerous, man.
Because, you know, I can just as no, no, I don't get it every day, but I have it at least once a week, at least, easily.
Yeah.
So actually, probably more than that, probably like twice a week.
Yeah, I'm still.
It's fucking hard, dude.
I know.
I'm saying, like, if this had some french fries in it, less vegetables.
French fries in it?
Yeah.
No carrots.
And also pickles.
We put pickles in it too.
Normal turkey.
This shit would be bomb.
It would be very similar to like a regular Turkish donut straight up.
The donut itself was really good.
You got to load it up with sauce.
I'm telling you.
To bring all the flavor because it's too dry otherwise.
The red and white sauce brings it all together.
But this way you're actually getting the authentic taste of what you got.
Having Turkish food is like nostalgic for that.
And then on the other hand, you're very New York.
So I get nostalgic for nostalgia for college.
Been to New York a million times, obviously.
My mom used to live here for a little bit.
When's the last time you were back in New York?
It's been a while.
I have not come back in a while.
Yeah.
Because it's just a hassle.
Six hours, dude.
I can go to Europe in six hours.
Yeah.
It's a long flight for sure.
It even went down to the Poland Spring.
Even down to the Poland.
Yeah, I know.
He's commenting on that.
So people don't recognize this.
But in LA, we have Arrowhead.
Arrowhead sucks.
That's like the worst.
It's literally dog piss, bro.
Yeah.
Not even human piss.
You can taste the difference, literally.
Yeah.
It tastes like shit.
And Poland Springs is like the default mode for water in the East Coast, and it's so much fucking better.
Like, I miss that shit.
I miss it a lot.
It's like sweet.
It's got like a sweet taste to it, especially when you're thirsty.
Yeah.
Arrowhead never tastes.
Even when I'm thirsty.
Arrowhead's a type of water, but I'll just literally be like, oh, the only thing you have is Arrowhead.
I might be fucking really thirsty.
I'll be like, the only thing you have is Arrowhead.
I'd rather, yeah, no, I'd rather just not.
I'll wait it out instead.
I'm a water connoisseur.
What do you mean by that?
I just, I don't know.
I'm real piggy with my water.
Like, what kind of water are you drinking?
I'm picky about tap water when I go to like different countries or states.
Like, I definitely don't fuck with that shit.
Like, I know in like the Nordic region, they have, you know, really good tap water, like Sweden, Finland, stuff like that.
But I still, like, I'm fucking shying away from it.
Even New York has good tap water, actually.
But I need it to, I'm fucking paranoid about it.
Yeah, we do.
But I'm still paranoid about it.
Yeah.
I'm just going to get a tariff.
Like.
Yeah.
Because you're not used to it not being filtered, right?
I don't like the taste of tap water for the most part.
But I was saying like in Europe, one of the things I hate the most is like Evian.
I hate the taste of Evian, Perrier, all European brand waters.
I feel like tastes like doo-doo to me.
I don't like it.
Yeah.
Evian.
Yeah, that's true.
That's like the classic brand they would have in the hotel.
Favorite place you've gone to?
My favorite country that I've been to.
Yeah, I was saying I've been to France and Spain was sick.
Expensive European Endeavors00:05:44
Portugal was really cool.
Brazil was awesome because I played for a Brazilian team at one point.
And they were like...
Yeah.
They were like kind of superstars over there.
Bro, that's like reverse Turkey.
Turkey always has Brazilian soccer players play.
Yeah, I did the reverse card.
That's true.
That was really cool because they took us around to some really cool spots.
Hard to say my favorite in particular, again, because I feel like I've had great experiences in so many spots, but and they're also unique, right?
Country to country.
It's like the culture and just the street to street.
You can't say Turkey.
No, I wouldn't say Turkey.
I would probably go with, I think I would go with Spain, man.
I think Spain was really cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Barcelona?
Yeah, we actually were in Madrid and it was a vibe for sure.
Like the people there were really nice.
The streets, the design, the architecture was really cool.
They got awesome beaches there.
Yeah, no, it was great.
Hard to pick, again, my favorite because I feel like there's so many countries that are just so special in their own way.
But I think Spain stood out to me for sure.
Ever been to Amsterdam?
I have.
Not in particular.
Amsterdam was cool.
It was cool, but I don't think it would be my favorite, though.
That's how I feel about Amsterdam.
Oh, yeah?
Like in terms of the architecture and how the streets are or just everything.
We're American.
Yeah.
So we are not used a city that is run adequately.
Like even New York, closest to a cosmopolitan European city as you can get.
With like some notable exceptions.
I guess like Chicago.
You know what I mean?
But even in New York, our public transportation is dog shit.
Trains, it floods.
Yeah, that's a concern.
Yeah, no, it's fucking, they don't improve it, dude.
MCA's been raising the price all the time, but the service has stayed the same throughout.
So where the fuck's the money going?
Yeah.
And it's an expensive endeavor.
It is.
It's supposed to be an expensive endeavor.
They make a lot of money, though.
They make a shit ton of money.
I don't know how much it is, but I know they make it.
They don't tax the fucking developers enough that take advantage of a robust public transit.
And that's a huge problem in New York because it's like it's a city designed almost single-handedly for like the wealthy.
It's a wealthy person playground and like poor people are slowly being priced out.
Yeah.
I mean, you said it yourself.
You're like from Brooklyn, right?
You were growing up.
Brooklyn was not Brooklyn.
I mean, it's changed throughout the years so much for sure.
Just not even only in terms of like, you know, what's around and like the buildings and everything like that, but the people here, right?
Like we have a lot of immigrants here for sure, people that come overseas.
And, you know, that's how my family ended up here as well.
But it's so much, so many different people crammed up in one small area.
So it's bound to just not only develop over time, but also cause some chaos, right?
You know, you throw everyone into a mix together and they don't really, they're not about the same vibe.
Right now it's way better.
But, I mean, yeah, but also it's like unaffordable.
And it is, yeah.
There are, it's better because now you're also kind of like enough money.
Yeah, that's true.
For like the average person, it's not easy to survive.
With everything going on, too, I mean, dude, I saw gas prices that when I went out, like, I saw gas prices because I randomly, I hadn't gone outside for a couple weeks.
I was doing a hard gaming binge.
You know, I was fucking grinding hard as shit and it was like six bucks.
And I was like, dude, what the fuck's going on in this world?
Like, how have we reached this point?
It's in Cali, it's like 10 bucks or something.
How is like the regular person supposed to go to their job and come back, provide for their family, get food, all this shit?
One of the ways to offset that would have been adequate public transportation.
But like I said, it's fucked.
Playground for rich people, New York in general.
And even the fucking five boroughs are now basically becoming more of the same.
Right.
Like Brooklyn, Queen, a safe haven for, at the very least, like largely people of color, immigrants, people that are first, like fresh off the boat coming into America.
And now, like, now they're being pushed out even further, which kind of sucks.
I mean, justification is like, it's fun because, like, now you also have like a fucking Whole Foods that you can go to, which is great.
But also at the same time, it's like and makes things more expensive everywhere.
But we're not going to do politics.
I'm just...
I'm just throwing it out there.
I'm just throwing it out there.
It's hard.
It's hard.
No, it's relevant, though.
It's relevant to me, too, because I feel like I am kind of, you know, I do come from a lower class family in the sense that we were always kind of, my mom and dad were always kind of trying to grasp to keep us upfoot, upright, everything like that.
And I guess I'm also pretty privileged in what I do and how early I got to start doing it because I never really got to personally, you know, I was living through my family's means, have that struggle of trying to, you know, find food or pay your rent or this and that or have that real life experience of going through it.
Obviously, like I went through the stress that my parents went through, but it was them at the end of the day finding the solutions, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, recognizing that privilege is good too.
Yeah.
I had a very affluent beginning, Turkey.
My father was pretty rich growing up.
And then they lost everything.
Trading for the most part.
He lost so much in the stocks.
Future trading and shit.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's funny because my dad lost a lot too from that.
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And that was a big part of that was a big part of his money.
The crash affected him a lot and us.
So by the time I got to college in 2009, they were broke boys.
Whoa.
Oh.
Out of battery?
I know you're a fucking beast, by the way.
But I'm glad you like it, though.
It satisfies me seeing you enjoy it.
Yeah, 100%.
It does.
It does, man.
I'm living through you.
AC is on.
I've just been eating so much.
I'm starting to heat up because I haven't eaten all day today.
And I got the bang in me.
That's true.
That's probably part.
You're probably trying to get fucking moving and you're not.
Yeah.
You're not moving.
You're the bang at me.
I'm like.
Fuck, I should have gave you a coffee, man.
I didn't think of it, though.
You guys were an energy drink.
I was like, this is what I got.
I was cracked.
So it's good.
It's surprising that I don't have one, though, right?
Like, I should.
What?
Energy drinks, dude.
Yeah, I'm surprised.
But I actually have sometimes where I'm like, dude, I need an energy drink, but then I don't have one.
I'm fucking pissed.
It's good.
Gotta stock up.
It's not healthy for you, bro.
They are.
They're fucking.
What do you use the bang before you work out?
That's for workout.
Yeah.
But I'm trying to get off those two, man.
What do you do?
Give me your workout regimen.
Well, right now I'm not, you know, I hurt my hand on some stupid shit.
Yeah, how did that happen?
Explain.
Oh, fuck, man.
It's just so ridiculous.
I'm going to give the TLDR, but basically, I just jammed the back of my hand on a metal hook.
Where?
And how?
In my shower and how?
I don't know how.
Give us the long version so I can eat.
Basically, okay, I got a mirror for my shower.
And this fucking mirror I bought was some stupid ass, cheap ass product.
And it has this metal hook on top of it.
And I was taking a shower.
And I don't know how it happened.
There must have been a quick movement.
But at some point, I just like fucking hit my hand right into that metal hook.
And just like right over here, it just went straight through and just blood started gushing everywhere.
And I've never seen this much blood come out of me like this fast.
It was like, it was scary.
It didn't hurt, by the way, at all.
I guess like, you know, adrenaline, rush, whatever it is, but it didn't hurt at all, just a shit ton of blood.
And then I run over and grab some Neospirin, just get out the shower and sprint over, grab some Neosprin, I just splurge it on top because I don't know what the fuck to do with it.
And after that, I FaceTime my mom.
I'm like, yeah, it's bleeding.
I don't think this looks good.
What do you think?
And then she's like, you need to go to the hospital right now.
And then that's what eventually I wrapped it with a towel and went over.
But it wasn't like that crazy.
It's just like frustrating, annoying.
You have a very Himbo image.
You know what a Himbo is?
No.
A Himbo is, I mean, people call me that as well for the record.
So it can be perceived as kind of, but like an aloof male who means very well, has a kind heart, oftentimes is attractive, and is more, but like more aloof.
Do you feel like you have that kind of image?
Can you actually be like laid back kind of?
No, no, no, but like kind of I'm going to be mean here because like I said, it's for me as well.
Everyone says that about me as well.
Dumb.
Okay.
Okay.
Like with the thing I did, right?
And that's why it's so, that's what I got pissed about.
But having said that, you are, despite the himbo image that you give off, you are very mature and like very well put together.
Like your house is super clean.
I'm the same way.
Like you immediately grab Neo Sparring.
I wouldn't have even done that if I got injured.
I'd just be like, I would just let it ride.
Yeah.
Did you get stitches on it?
Yeah, I did.
I got stitches on it.
That's fucking serious, bro.
It's not that serious.
It was just annoying.
But yeah, do you feel like people paint you in that way in that light?
I guess sometimes based off my gameplay, I can get kind of crazy, but not necessarily speaking.
I mean, I'm kind of all over the place.
I think I'm very sporadic.
You know, I can be random.
I can be, I'm all over the place.
That's the best way I describe it.
But I'm generally speaking, I'm chilled.
I'm laid back.
In terms of, you know, making silly mistakes or choices, like this is like so clumsy.
That's how I see it.
Like, that definitely exists.
I'm the same way.
Yeah.
But do you feel like that makes you a better content creator?
I think so, for sure.
It's authentic.
You know, it's who I am.
I'm not trying to act like something I'm not.
Just trying to just, and that's what makes it like fun for me, right?
It's not like I'm going on and trying to put up a show.
I'm just being myself playing games.
And I think people, people enjoy watching that.
So it's easy for me, right?
Obviously, it can be stressful here and there, but for the most part, it's just like, it's a dream come true.
Ask me about any political subject you wanted to learn about.
Well, okay, so before you do, I need you to give a definition of what you think it is first.
No, the thing is, I don't have, okay, we'll go with that, sure.
Because I'm going to keep eating this while you ask the question.
Okay, well, the first thing I want to start with, I guess, would be like, and I don't know if it's the most controversial one, because I know there's some controversy about your views and stuff like that.
But what I think it is, you just say it how it is and you're very blunt.
Bad Business Owner Reality00:10:54
People don't like that.
I don't know if it's true or not, but that's what it comes off to me.
But from my understanding, there's like a right and left wing and you're a left.
And that's one of the things that people maybe harp on you sometimes about or maybe not.
And I guess I want to hear about, is that true?
And if not, or is it like, is it very frowned upon or what is it there?
You're asking like, people say you're a socialist and harp on you for it.
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, exactly.
But they say you're a socialist, but you don't act like a socialist.
For example, like this kind of shit, right?
Americans and just people in general, as a consequence of the cold war and the USSR losing and socialism losing any sort of like global power, it had have this profoundly misunderstood perspective on what socialism is, just a different economic organization of society, a different way to organize society.
Yeah okay um, capitalism is one way to do it, socialism is another way to do it.
We haven't really ever been able to accomplish a socialist organization of the economy.
There have been like attempts at it.
Yeah.
But overall, they've been either squashed aggressively by the United States.
But ultimately, because it's been so heavily propagandized against that people just don't really understand it.
They think socialism is a poverty cult.
They think socialism means like you have to be poor.
You have to be like Jesus.
That's not the case.
Socialism simply is about getting more rights back for the worker in the simplest way that I can put it and allowing workers who are the singular reason for value to ever be created.
Like, for example, I'm going to use the esports team, right?
As a wage laborer in that situation, as a contracted worker or that esports team, who are actually what's creating value for that org.
So it's kind of a socialist move, right?
For me to join an org instead of doing it for myself?
No, doing it for yourself is fine.
Doing it for yourself, you just have ownership of your own production completely, entirely.
Now, there are still, obviously, exceptions to that.
You're still streaming on an Amazon-owned platform.
Someone else is making money.
It goes deep.
The rabbit hole goes deep then.
Yeah, someone else is always going to be making money off of your labor under capitalism.
There's just no other way around it.
Right.
But that is also part of the reason why we say ethical consumption is impossible under capitalism and that you are always going to be a participator in capitalism, even though you want to undermine it or change it.
Because it's impossible to avoid.
The world you're talking about is like, is it realistic for that to ever exist?
Yeah, I mean, I...
So that's what you're kind of pushed for?
Like, that's kind of the direction?
The direction.
Or it's just that you have that view and you share how you see things when things happen.
Yes.
The reason why we, I personally think that the reason why we experience, you know, anger, frustration, and like even the fear of your parents, like, for example, not making enough money to make ends meet every month, like that is a byproduct of the current economic organization of society.
There's got to be some winners and some losers, which means that there has to be losers, which means that someone has to be getting fucked over at the end.
Yeah.
Like, I personally think that we have enough wealth and we generate enough that we could absolutely make sure that we have all of our primal needs taken care of.
Yeah.
And then some even.
I see what you're saying.
And I recognize that it's very, very hard to say.
But I don't think it would ever work, though, because it's kind of saying, what if we're doing the same job?
We're getting paid the same amount, for example.
No, not at all.
That's not how that works either.
Because I'm not advocating for a flat rate for every single person.
And that's not socialism either.
Or equal pay in general for everyone.
That's not how it works.
It's more so that your output is in your control to a certain degree.
The best example I can use is the difference between you as a owner of your own content, like as a content creator, versus you as a player in a team.
Okay.
When you're a player on a team, someone tells you what your hours are.
You are beholden on other people.
You are dependent on other people.
When you're a content creator, you make your own hours.
You have autonomy.
You have freedom.
You do whatever the fuck you want.
Even if you want to fail, you could fail on your own volition.
You can't do that when you are working for an org.
Now, under a socialist organization of the workplace, you would at least have a say.
You could say, I, and there are many different ways of organizing workplaces under socialism, but the most basic way to describe it is like, you can be like, listen, we got paid out a million dollars, right, from this game that we won, from the major that we won.
I think, let's say, some of the benefits you were not happy with, like some of the benefits package that you were getting from your org, you were not happy with.
We are not giving the 10% to you back to the organization.
We want you to take that 10% because you generated that for the org.
Without you, that was not going to happen.
Right?
You could say, instead of giving that 10% to the organization, we want to take that 10% and put it into our benefits package.
We want to have better health care, for example.
So that's a thing that you can say as a worker and have all of the other workers aligned with you in a socialist organization of the economy and change that for yourself.
You could say, I want to take more days off.
You could say, I want to try to.
You have more say in how things are run, kind of.
And you're saying right now, people are like, they have no power at all.
Currently, the way it's designed, it is top-down.
It is an people above you.
They say that's the final word done.
Yeah.
They think they know better than you.
And in some instances, they might know better than you.
But in a lot of instances, you as the player in an esports team are significantly better than anyone else.
That's why a lot of the esports orgs that are run by former players themselves end up having at least a little bit better of a perspective on this kind of thing.
Yeah, because they've kind of lived through it.
Yeah.
The frosty shit.
Yeah.
With Nate Shaw, I didn't actually follow it closely.
So I don't, I didn't, it was going on when I was doing all this shit, but I know what it's about.
Like, he was kind of talking about...
You can segue it and I mean, speaking of esports organizations run by former players, I mean, I guess Nate Shot, was he ever a competitive pro player?
Yeah.
So Nate Shaw, he competed for a long time, actually.
And he owns his own org now, 100 Thieves, and they're doing great.
So it kind of ties in with what you're saying.
These players who've competed and actually been a part of the other side have that experience and ability to fight all together.
He is not a good business owner.
Don't think so?
No.
Wait, what are they doing wrong, man?
Do you see the amount of merch they're selling?
No, no, no.
They're great.
They're a great.
Oh, he's not as an owner or as a business?
As a business manager, I think with the frosty shit, it's very obvious that he literally made insane bets by just being like, oh, I like my mods.
I like these guys.
I'm just going to give him 60 grand plus like whatever the fuck.
He took a gamble on them for sure.
He did.
That was a bad move.
If I were to unlock my capitalist side of my brain, I'd be like, dude, what are you doing?
No, but I think to him, it's like he saw something there, right?
And he was like, I want to invest in this idea of these people and to see if they can make.
Some of them did well, though.
Yeah, make it grow for them.
Out of the group, some of them did actually pop off.
Yeah.
I guess he was technically not off on.
I didn't follow the group closely, but I would imagine it's something along those lines.
Like he saw something bigger that could happen with them.
And then, you know, maybe they took advantage of it or whatever.
The specifics of it, I'm not sure.
Bad business owner stuff.
Oh, come on.
You can't condemn that.
Dude, what about all the good things he's done, though?
He's on too much.
No, I'm not.
The guy's resume is too fucking great.
To me, when I say someone's a bad business owner, that's a positive for them.
That means that's what it is to be a business owner.
Because you just, you know, you're hyping your homies up.
You're giving them a lot.
You have to respect the fact that he went on a stream and addressed it all.
And that's what I give him the most props for, although I didn't follow it closely.
But the fact that he's the owner and he's involved in the situation and he went on a live stream and discussed everything and talked about it.
Like, dude, you're not going to cash that shit with other orders.
The contracts with her crazy.
The 85% thing was like, yeah, I agree.
That does seem wild.
I'm not sure if it was totally true or not.
But that's dude.
At the end of the day, the guy signing the contract, why is it our fault?
It's like people watching me.
No, you got to defend them.
That's like, that is one thing.
That's like people watching me that are like kids.
Like, it's not my fault to parent what they're doing on the internet.
For example, why is it our fault to also make sure they're signing a good contract?
Well, that's a good question.
Or it's a lot of people feel that way, but I don't agree with that.
It is still on the, at least like the regulatory agencies to ensure that they are not locking people into predatory contracts.
Oh, that doesn't exist, though.
And because there's no regulation around that sort of thing, especially in the esports space, as we know, I think it's still up to business owners to not fuck their fuck their fucking plan.
Only if you knew, like, it's so fucking common.
Yeah, and it's fucked up.
I totally agree.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, I'm not going to leak any contracts, but yeah.
We will be.
He will be leaking contracts.
He is.
Absolutely.
Behind a paywall, though, unfortunately.
So if you want to see that, be sure to check out Fear and on Patreon.
Patreon.com slash Fear And.
Is Will coming to join us for this podcast?
No, he is not.
He's in Los Angeles.
Yeah, he's going to pop out of the fucking room.
I don't know if it's going to be a surprise or what?
Because he said he wasn't coming.
Has he been on every show with you or no?
No, he has not.
Has he been on any?
No, he has been on.
The way you made it sound, I was like, dude, I haven't been able to find the guy in weeks.
Yeah, no, we were in Fresno together earlier.
But yeah, plug everything that you want to tell people where they can find you and stuff here.
I think the best way that you guys could find my stuff is Twitter at Tarek.
That's got all my socials on there.
So they'll link me.
We'll link in the bottom.
Plug it in.
And you're on Twitch.
You stream on Twitch.
Yeah, I'm on Twitch.
I'm on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, everything.
I'm the whole dance.
All right.
Thanks for coming.
Well, now you're coming to the, now you're arriving at the heart of why a lot of people fucking either love me or they're like, they can't stand what I have to say.
Because I'll just be like, yeah, I think Elon Musk sucks.
If someone asks me why I think that, I will tell them.
The short and sweet of it is because he's a billionaire.
And oftentimes it's almost impossible for a billionaire to be like a kind, good person individual.