Hasan, Ludwig, and Austin dissect "queer baiting" dynamics, defending their inclusion while debating iShow Speed's Minecraft content and Jaiden Animations' Twitch ban through a racial lens. They analyze rising online misogyny, contrasting Black pranksters with historical white offenders, and discuss the necessity of high visibility to counter reactionary ideologies like Andrew Tate's influence. The episode concludes with banter on Jeff Bezos' infidelity, steroid theories regarding his physique, and the hosts' commitment to maintaining relevance against toxic internet culture. [Automatically generated summary]
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British Spin on Queer Baiting00:15:04
Ready It's me guys And then you guys on this Kim you already did it and it's Cam and then one here So that should be that should be really easy to sink Okay, all right folks episode three of fear and malding is live and alive.
We're here.
We're queer.
Yes, we are.
That's right.
This is a sexy queer baiting episode.
That's right.
I love the queer bait.
I saw how well Will's TikTok was doing after he posted a bunch of the episodes like the previous episodes TikToks and I was like get the fuck out of here.
You're cut.
Yeah, he cut me in and he brought me in an effort to punish Will, queerbait, and also mend his broken relationship with the LGBTQ community.
He has brought me in.
And I think it's working.
Your agenda is working.
Do you think there's more people online that assume I'm gay than believe you are gay?
You are the straightest person I know.
Nobody's ever thought that ever.
Yeah.
There is nobody on this planet.
You are the straightest person I have ever met.
I think, first of all, I take offense to that.
White water.
It's not going to be offensive to me.
Okay.
I have very homosexual tastes.
I will see Alex Jones at the Abbey before you.
No, I've been to the Abbey many times.
I used to go to the Abbey all the time.
If there was a poll and it was two options, it said, would Hassan, is he more likely to be gay or commit a hate crime?
Commit a hate crime would win 99 with 99%.
I agree.
Wait, what?
What is happening right now?
Why would that be the poll?
I don't know why, but why is that a poll?
That's how straight you are.
How about the poll is Hassan more likely to be gay or be very cool and nice?
And then the very cool and nice one wins.
So being gay can't be cool and nice.
No, you can be gay and cool and nice, but this is like.
I'm with you.
Yeah, hell yeah.
Face out of your radio.
Anyway, welcome to Fear and we have your guest today, Ludwig.
Hero Pod.
Yep.
Finally, he made it.
We were supposed to record this last night and then, you know, you were like...
I was busy.
Yeah, I know.
I was doing big things.
We had to get him a private driver right now for league what you're doing right now.
When does this come out?
Tomorrow.
God, I'm not leaking it.
I was working with Jay Schlatt.
And we're going to.
He's lying.
We'll bleep this part out if you don't want him to be.
He was filming an orchestra.
Why are you saying it like that?
No, no.
I feel like that's the...
I feel like that, first of all, you say orchestra in Turkish, but I feel like it's one of those words.
Okay.
And by the way, we bleeped previous parts, so what we're talking about currently is completely unrelated to what Buddha is.
You can say orchestra.
Okay.
You don't have to bleep it.
But one of those things, it's one of those words where I feel like it's like a quality word.
You know what I mean?
So you have to put like an almost British spin to it.
Like, you know how British people say like aluminium instead of aluminum?
Sure.
Orchestra is like one of those words where I feel like you're supposed to say orchestra.
So you think there are words you should say with a British accent.
Not a British accent, but like fancy.
That is what you're saying.
Like the difference between adult and adult.
Oh, right?
You get what I'm talking about.
Orchestra is always correct.
Orchestra.
Unlike adults.
But then are we going to be a potato, Andy?
You're going to say potato?
No, of course not, because potato is the tomato.
This is the commodity of the proletariat.
So I am not interested in like ruining that.
But like the orchestra is something that, you know, like all these like high-falutin, hoity-toity rich people engage in.
I can't, one, believe that you thought we were going to run out of topics.
None of this is, yeah, we're just freestyling.
And two, it's not a high class thing anymore.
You know what I'm going to in like two weeks?
I'm going to a Joe Hisayishi concert with Weebs.
He's the composer of all the Ghibli movies.
Oh, okay.
That's cool.
Thanks for the invite, by the way.
This is how I find out.
New York.
He's going five days in New York, and I'm going to one of the nights.
You're going specifically to go to that in New York?
You're going for one night just to watch this and maybe hang out with Tarek if he'll hang out with me.
That's...
Are you going with Jay Schlatt?
No.
Well, I think, no, just me.
Okay, I've got a story to tell you.
Please.
This is the queer beginning podcast.
So the story is you were with Jay Schlatt.
I didn't know Jay Schlatt was in town.
He was in town just for this thing we did together.
Yes, I know.
Yeah.
So I, Hassan drops me off at my hotel at like one o'clock in the morning.
And after this sex.
Gay sex.
Yeah.
In the back of his.
By the way, straightest way to say that.
No.
We would call it.
It's a gay sex.
No, we just did button stuff.
Here's the thing for gay people, it's just called sex.
And that's what you don't think about.
No, it's still called.
Actually, Lud, I'm going to be honest, we still call it gay sex.
Really?
Yeah.
You don't say I'm having sex.
You have to clarify.
We do clarify because if you were hooking up with someone, you were like, oh, let's go back to mine.
He's like, are we having gay sex tonight?
Yeah, no.
Or else you don't get consent.
So if you say, if we're having seen, you'd be like, what is that?
Yeah, no balance.
He would be like, what?
Is there a girl back there?
They'd be like, what am I?
A breeder?
You know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly.
See, the more you know, you don't know this because I'm a real ally.
You're not your fake.
You're not being an ally of anyone.
You are literally a homophone.
I'm only an ally to me.
I've always been that way.
I agree.
Same.
Continue.
So in the lobby, I walk in.
Jay Schlatt is in the fucking lobby checking into the same hotel that I'm staying at.
SLS.
Yeah.
And guess what?
I have single-handedly built the clientele for the SLS.
I actually have.
Every time you come, you book people there if you're doing an event.
Yep.
And then they love it so much, they try something else, they always come back.
Yeah, always.
So we went to Boa Steakhouse.
I didn't know it was a fancy steakhouse.
I thought it was a Brazilian steakhouse chain.
Because it sounds like Brazilian, like, Boa.
Yeah, actually.
Welcome to Boa.
Is that you Brazilian?
I don't know.
I didn't know.
It's like, it's like, well, Portuguese is like, come to Brazil.
So like, welcome to Boa.
Porto Guette.
Yeah.
But then every time I do the Brazilian accent, it turns into like I'm doing the Cholo accent.
Everyone always makes fun of me.
I was just going to say that.
We won't be mad.
So we went to Boa.
Yeah.
Fancy Steakhouse.
I didn't know.
Thanks for the invite, by the way.
Yeah, no, seriously.
This guy.
Flexing.
Oh, hangs out with Jay Schlatt, flexing.
Goes to Boa.
Doesn't invite two gay men.
I don't know if you guys hang out with Schlatt a lot offline.
He's just a guy who likes routine.
He's obsessed with routine.
He likes sleeping in his bed.
He likes going to his restaurants and Boa is one of his restaurants.
So he's like, I booked this at Boa.
I was like, cool.
I didn't realize it's a fancy steakhouse.
There's a dress code.
I showed up in these pants.
I haven't changed pants since last night.
I only took off my underwear.
I'm Commando right now.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
A fanny pack and a shirt that said commit tax fraud with Barney on the side.
I love that shirt.
It's a great shirt.
It's a great shirt, but it doesn't fly a lot.
A lot of people at Boa would probably look at that and go, that's a great shirt.
I'm doing that.
They didn't like that?
No, because then Nick also showed up in like flip-flops.
He had shorts on, but he swapped to like Jay Schlott's sweatpants and the valet.
Even before we get to the bounce of the valet, it was like.
Another word, valet.
Nobody says valid.
Yes, people say in the people that don't speak English say valet.
No, no, like a valet.
You are somehow going from high society all the way to uneducated.
I promise you.
Reach the sides.
British pronunciation.
They don't say valet.
Yes, they do.
I don't know if I know a British person to call off rip.
Yeah, well.
There is some words, though, that do have that in them.
Valet.
No, not valet, but like they like don't, they don't do the A. Pull that shit up, Marsh.
Pull it up.
What do you want Marsh to look up right now?
British pronunciation of valet.
Okay.
I'm down for that video.
But if you want to.
If you are wrong, can you on the pod say Ludwig is smarter and more handsome than me in the camera?
I can't lie like that.
You have to say it as a.
It's just straight up all the time.
You have to say it if you're wrong.
It's just the.
And I'll say the same if you, you're right.
But then it's the truth.
Man up.
Also, no, you know what we're going to do?
We're going to do rock, paper, scissors.
No, no, no.
Hey, you.
So anyway.
Go ahead.
You want to say something to the camera?
No, I don't.
You got something to say?
I don't want to say anything to camera.
Okay, well, I was going to hate.
God damn, you were right, Isana.
What the fuck?
I hate it when he's right.
I cannot believe this.
I feel like you guys forget that.
It's the first time I've ever done it.
I know things.
He doesn't know anything.
I think I say like I'm a himbo too much or like fuck around too much off camera.
You guys are like, no, it sounds stupid, right?
How would he know this?
He's the worst winner.
He's the worst winner.
Oh, dude, I know.
Because I don't really get it a lot.
Him and Jordan.
I don't really get it a lot.
Oh, you don't get it a lot.
No.
Doesn't get it a lot.
No, that's the meme.
I always remember that.
Has mods.
He never gets it.
Yeah.
No, but like, but that's different.
That's women throw themselves on him.
But that doesn't count.
It's like, that's.
It doesn't count when women throw themselves on him.
No, it doesn't because it's the same.
Those are femoids.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Top G podcast.
That's right.
We're here.
We're talking about broads, beaches.
Dude, actually, that's the topic that I wanted to talk to.
You guys.
Let me finish Boa Steakhouse.
Go ahead.
We almost get kicked out because the bouncer is like, you look terrible.
He really takes in on us.
He was like, this is, you know, this is a nice steakhouse.
And then Schlatt pulls out a sick card.
He shouts out some guy who works there.
He's like, ask Steve about it.
Ooh.
And the guy was like, he didn't believe me.
He's like, you know, Steve.
You don't know Steve.
And then Steve fucking walks out and then we get escorted in.
I felt really cool.
Anyway, that's badass.
It was a swag moment.
That is such a swag moment.
That is pretty cool.
Reminds me of.
Never mind.
I'm not going to tell that story.
Make me look bad.
When you called Marriott, because you did.
It was in that bank.
Moving on.
Let's talk about it.
I like your Karen moments, by the way.
I don't even get to be shy about them.
No.
I don't like it.
Sure, they go too far, but they make me.
Have you seen me?
Have you seen me have a Karen moment?
Every waking moment with you is a Karina.
Oh, that's not true.
He's so.
You came in and you're like, oh my God, I didn't order toast.
Minx.
I don't.
I just.
No, you're not.
I don't just yell Minx's name.
No, you're like, oh, I forgot to order toast.
You have toast in your house.
And then you're like, I need jams.
Well, I mean, that's a normal question.
That's standard.
You have butter, jam, toast.
I'm like, bro.
I mean, isn't that a normal question to ask?
Well, I have a delicious breakfast.
Exactly.
I did have all of it.
Toast with butter and jam.
I needed some carbs.
You know what you want, and you get it.
Exactly.
And I respect that about you.
This is what I think.
When you pay for something, you deserve to get what you paid for.
Austin, the other night it took you an hour and a half of convincing to post a sexy photo of yourself, which you literally did not even want to post on your Twitter account.
You were like, should I post it on my main?
It's not good enough for the main.
Maybe I should post it on my alt.
And then finally, you were convinced to post it on your Instagram story.
One of my fans, Auntie Piker, posted your Instagram story on Twitter and was like, ooh, how did that get here on Twitter?
And then you posted on your alt with the caption, I told you to post it.
And now it's popping off.
It literally is doing.
But like, none of it is.
It's doing not.
It's doing better.
It's doing better than my trailer for Name of Your Prize.
Because I told you the funny cat.
Obviously.
Because trailers always do bad.
Well, I mean, it did okay.
It got like 30-something thousand likes.
Yeah, I mean, that's good, but like trailers are never even doing well with that one.
It's all anything more intimate.
And basically.
Did you see it, Ludwig?
You didn't like it.
I haven't seen it.
I've not seen it.
I did see this.
But you didn't like it.
You didn't like it.
No, I didn't like it.
That's really messed up.
I didn't like it because I loved it.
Oh.
So what I do is I like it and then I like it twice, which actually unlikes it, but it's me loving it.
That's really good.
I'm in the process of having Hassan convince me to post some other naughty photos, but they're a little too naughty and risky.
But it's just like, we don't have to, we don't have to do a hostage negotiation every time you like want to post a photo.
Well, no, let's see.
He has seen most of my cock.
This is a different conversation, so we're going to loop back to the bottom.
No, it's relevant to the photo.
Okay.
You want to see it?
I wouldn't mind.
Live reaction to Austin's cock.
Yeah, it's not like my actual cock, but like there's definitely cock in there.
Have you seen?
You've probably seen my old like if you no for those of you listening, for those of you listening, for those of you watching great photos, a great photo.
You need to edit it.
You need to go.
I was going to do that no matter what you showed me.
You could have showed me a 20-inch penis wrapped around his neck, and I would have gone, eh.
Well, there's no cock in the photo.
No, there isn't.
It's like, it's similar to old trailer's photos of myself where I have a towel where you can see the outline.
That's it.
That's what I found out.
For those of you thirst traps.
So we found out I had what?
You had a big dog.
You didn't tell from his 6'8 stature in some truck-sized body.
Believe me, I've looked at a lot of penises, and you know, some just because you're tall doesn't mean that you've got a ton of terror.
Fellas, can I tell you something?
Sometimes women like really small cocks.
Not true.
Is that what cutie tells you?
What?
No, she told me this is real.
Yeah, no, no, for sure.
There's like a lot of women like this a lot.
I'm going to let you know.
And coming really fast.
Yes.
That's what I've heard.
Are you meming?
Yeah.
Yes, I'm memeing.
Oh.
I'm going to meme in the middle with you.
Everybody, nobody likes very small penises, but I think average penises are much more popular than big ones.
Ask yourself this.
When you go to McDonald's or Starbucks, do you prefer to get a taller grande or a Venti or a Trenta?
I would never get a Trenta.
That's way too much.
Yep, me too.
Same thing with the cost.
I'm the Trenta guy.
You get Trentas?
I didn't even know anything.
He's a size queen.
He is a size queen.
He just likes.
You know what Hassan did?
Or maybe I'm just a big person and I need more space and I need larger things.
No, he likes big cock.
How about we accommodate society to my needs for once?
You know what I mean?
Small people get away with so much.
Oh, like what?
Being able to hide it in most spaces.
The Gayest Steak and Cocktail00:11:34
That is, they get away with this?
Yeah.
Like, it's a crime they shouldn't be.
No, I'm just saying, like, society accommodates public transport, especially, accommodates for shorter people.
Short kings rise up.
It's great.
Am I a short king?
No.
Yeah.
Are you 5'9 or 5'9?
Then you're average.
Okay, cool.
A little under, but.
Are you how tall are you?
I'm 6'1, 6'2, actually.
He's just straight up.
Fine.
I'll show you my idea.
I'll show you my idea.
Well, you lie to the federal government.
Look, we've had this conversation.
You lie to the federal government.
Why would I lie to a federal government that can control every aspect of my life?
You have been lying to me for a very long time.
My ID says 5'7, but that's because I got my ID when I was like 16.
And I've grown since.
Why is Oregon allowing you to keep your ID from when you got it at 16?
Oh, no, wait.
I got a new one recently.
I forgot.
Did you not change your height on it?
I think I did.
Did you put the shades on because now people won't know who you are after we outed you as a person who commits federal government lies?
I guess like, I don't know if it's a perjury.
I don't know what the legal term is.
Joan Lennon.
Listen up, Lib Cook.
I got a little bone to pick with you.
All right, let's hear it.
Pick the bones.
You are sometimes a caricature of a machismo man.
You know that about yourself?
What does that mean?
I don't know about that.
Like, if you think of what is, you know, a masculine character, you fill the role too well sometimes.
Why?
What do I do?
I went to the party like a couple nights ago that you were at, and we went to the bar to get a drink.
I don't know if you know about this.
And I was like, because he never drinks when he goes to parties, right?
Hassan's usually pretty fucking lame.
He shows up.
He's like, no drinking.
He eats three nicotine gums.
He leaves within like 45 minutes and he's like, I'll go to the stream in the morning.
I'm going to get some shades on for this too.
It's definitely true.
That's the Hassan classic.
And so I bullied him before this event.
Why'd you give me the gayest glasses?
What do you mean?
These are way gayest.
Like not the like, well, they're car lagerfeld, but those are actually, they look like.
I got these at a gas station for four bucks.
Yeah, I got this in my P.O. box, but.
I can't see shit, Ludwig.
They're dark.
Anyway, so I bully Hassan into getting drinks with me.
So we walk up to the bar and Hassan's in front.
And so he's ordering.
And I'm like, just order me whatever you're getting.
And he does, and I quote, he does this.
He goes, you, you don't want what I'm having.
I just, like, his drink is so out there that I couldn't even handle it.
It's not out there, but it's like, it's an adult beverage.
And so I'm like, I'm like, you're not.
I think I could probably swing what you're drinking.
And then he says this to like ward me off.
He goes, it's whiskey.
Like, that's a, like, that's a, like, a huge flag.
No, but it's like, I drink a good amount of whiskey.
You just, you strike me as a cocktail guy.
And I was being accommodating.
That's fair.
I wanted.
The way you come off as it's accommodating was, was a little douchey because then you followed up.
No.
And then you followed up and I said, I like whiskey.
And you went, I drink it neat.
And you said that like you had done checkmate and chess.
Like I was going to melt into a puddle of soy library.
No, I just didn't want you to.
No, I just did not want you to not appreciate the short moment that we were going to live together.
You know what I mean?
That's why I wanted to make sure that you were maximizing on the do I take you as a cocktail guy?
I don't drink cocktails no.
No, do I take you as a cocktail?
What do I, what am I?
Oh, dude, yes.
Are you kidding me?
Literally, like, you don't, I know you don't drink, but when you do, you're getting like, in my mind, in my mind, you would be getting straight up the most like the gayest.
In my mind, it's not the gayest.
It's what is the least calories, like a vodka soda or like a, like a, like a gin soda so you can see it.
I can see that.
That's fair.
Also very gay.
Yes.
Are you sure you care about calories?
What are you, a woman?
We have gone from gay baiting to gay bashing.
Straight to misogyny.
Yes.
In any case, what was I going to say?
Oh, yeah.
You have not explored the depths, I think, of like cocktail bait.
I'm just going to say it.
What?
I think alcohol tastes like fucking shit, no matter what.
There's a part of this story that actually undermines Ludwig's overarching narrative of like how I was being a douche and not accommodating, which is that he told me he trains himself to drink whiskey.
And I thought, that's insane.
What are you?
Like 12?
There is intrinsic tastes that every human can enjoy.
Salty, savory dishes, very sweet dishes.
And then there are things that you have to train to enjoy.
Things like caffeine, localized dishes like faux gras in France.
And alcohol is one of those things that you have to intrinsically.
I don't think I'll ever.
It is definitely an acquired taste, but it's just funny that you're like, it's also poison.
So it's funny that you're like, you told me that you drink like a little sippy sip of whiskey every night and you used to put maple syrup in it and then you like slowly but surely diminished the amount of like maple syrup.
You're wording it like I didn't do this scientifically and very five-headedly.
What I do is I would have one shot on the rocks and then I would put a little maple syrup in and that would lower the amount of maple syrup.
So eventually I was just drinking the whiskey by itself.
Why don't you just shoot it?
Because then the idea is to learn to enjoy the taste, not to just put the alcohol down.
I would only have one glass and you could have done it the old-fashioned way, like, you know, struggle with alcohol addiction.
That's lame.
That's what my dad did, and he's dead.
Way to bring it up.
Your dad's dead?
You don't know this?
No.
I feel like I talk about it all the time.
God damn.
No, he's dead.
Oh.
That was like a long time ago, right?
Yeah.
Oh, so it doesn't matter.
It's one of those 17 year olds.
Statute of limitations is up.
No, legally about it.
At what point can you, do you stop feeling bad about that?
About your dad being dead?
The most movie.
I feel like, yeah, I mean, this is a good topic.
We can just go home.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I know, the one that brought that dad in your formative years and how it developed you into the blossoming young adult you are.
Well, I'm not Freudian.
Can we cut this from the podcast?
No, we can talk about it.
No, no, let's move on to the next topic.
That was too deep.
No, you're good.
That was true.
You can never.
Well, no, this is Austin's sweet side.
Austin is very considerate about how other people feel.
Yeah.
But you don't have to worry about my feelings ever.
Yeah, no.
Okay, you should worry about the morning.
I will never.
You are the opposite.
I will never.
You don't worry about other people's feelings enough.
No, I will never worry about your feelings.
Anyway, the conclusion of the story is that I got the whiskey.
It was like bottom shelf Japanese whiskey.
Oh, yeah.
You shat on it in front of the guy.
You're the whiskey guy and you went for Sentori Toki.
It's the best one that they had there.
There wasn't any whiskey they had there.
It's bottom shelf Japanese whiskey.
For the bar that we were at, that was the best of the top shelf that they had.
They had that.
And next to that, they had Johnny Walker Blue Label.
But Johnny Walker Blue Label is not than Sentori Toki.
It's supposed to be, it's more expensive, but it's a matter of taste at that point.
It's a matter of preference.
And I'm not like, I'm not super fancy with it.
I drink black label.
I like black label.
That's fine.
It's very smooth.
But blue label is like, it's just more the price point is for the brand itself.
Hassan the type of dude to see you at a steak restaurant and scoff if it's not rare.
No, but medium rare for sure.
If someone ordered medium, would you be like, I would judge you a little bit.
I order my steaks medium.
Yeah.
And breakfast steaks?
Medium well.
What is a breakfast steak?
Like if you do steak and eggs?
I do medium well and the breakfast steaks because typically breakfast restaurants, they'll specialize in steak.
So I get to cook more.
I like that.
Just don't eat the steak there though.
No, I like it.
He wants meat.
Yeah.
Sometimes I need a little red meat.
That is.
So he can't eat meat in morning now.
Hassan's world.
We're just going to go to a restaurant that has good steak.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Not all of us can afford to eat a five-star steak restaurant.
Just go to Boat early 9 a.m. next time.
literally refuse to stay with me and stay at a hotel every time you're here because you're racking up points for an inevitable vacation that is never going to happen you already have enough money to like buy off that vacation 10 times over are you a point churner i love points he loves it he does fun like i i feel pain when i have to use points because i'm like oh he's doing it like like it's a it's like endgame i got half a million inventory is stacked No, his inventory is stacked.
He's never going to use it.
He already completed the game.
No, it's like 5k.
Is it?
Yeah.
Oh.
It's like one cent per piece.
Last night you said it was like around 100k.
Were you high?
There's no way I said that.
$100,000 worth of points.
You know how many?
Or no, maybe you said $10,000.
Yeah, $5,000 to $10,000.
Sure.
Big range.
Yeah.
Huge range.
And then don't even get me started on the Delta Miles.
You love your Delta Miles.
So that's what, like, I don't have anything.
I don't even have a credit card.
I don't have any of that.
I really need to start racking.
I need to start racking them up.
So you want to join.
So you're making fun of me and then you want to join in.
I just, like, I think that there's a lot that I'm missing out on.
I just need like a, I need a credit card with like a concierge service because like, uh, because I want to be able to, like, when I have friends over or whatever, I hate the hassle of like trying to figure out like, where will we go?
And will I be able to get a reservation there?
You hate the hassle of being a good host.
No, I love being a good host.
No, you don't.
No, I do.
I showed up here.
You didn't give me a water and then you made fun of me because the only cup I found said Twitch on it and you went, Tochi with the Twitch cop.
And he orders breakfast for me, but not Ludwig.
Yeah.
No, you order breakfast for yourself.
But then did you jump on his order?
No.
Oh, I told him to get coffee for me and Mars.
I didn't think that you would.
I thought that you would want to come in immediately, film, and then get out.
Hassan, you can just admit you're not the greatest host.
And he's not as good of a driver.
I'm Turkish.
I take offense at that.
100%.
I'm a great host.
Is that like a Turkish thing?
Is it a good host?
Coming over to Hassan's house is hours of being berated about wearing your shoes inside.
Yeah, okay.
Well, don't wear your shoes inside.
What do you mean?
How is that so hard?
Look, that's why you have hardwood floors.
That's all I'm saying.
Do you think the harbor floors are clean?
Yeah.
Right now, is it clean?
Yeah, 100%.
Hassan has a maybe not in this because there's a lot of foot traffic here.
Hassan has just smelled the dust.
Jesus.
And it's bad.
It's rank.
What?
No, it's not.
I'm not going to be goaded into doing it.
I know what you're saying.
I know your way.
It's rank.
Hassan has not let him wear shoes in the house, but he has like a bug infestation.
No, there's because my mom is staying with me right now.
And God bless her heart.
She loves like, I guess this is also a very good thing or a mom thing.
I don't know.
She loves opening every window in the house and letting the beautiful sunny air in, I guess.
I don't know.
Cause like, you know, California.
And, and then also she will eat like a lot of fruits and stuff.
And like, she'll leave it out on the counter.
And I'm like, mom, please, I'm very particular about being clean.
I'm like, mom, please put the fruit in the fridge or something wherever you put fruit.
Pineapple in Diet Coke Debate00:04:10
I don't know.
I don't eat fruit.
But like, please, there's so many bugs.
And also, please close the doors and pump the AC.
She turns off the AC every time because she's cold.
And she turns on, she, she opens all the windows.
That's an old person thing.
They don't like AC.
Yeah.
And honestly, that's part of the reason why there's like a lot of flies now.
Hassan, you don't like that I go stay at the hotel, but I don't think you can handle living with me.
True.
I would probably kill you.
Yeah.
Like, there's no way.
No, it would be fine.
It would be fun.
It would be fun.
Do you think so?
It'd be fun the first time, but then if he, like, he comes a lot.
No, I mean, it doesn't matter.
Like, I love, dude, that's what I was saying.
That's why I'm taking offense to what you were saying.
I love hosting my friends.
I love that.
And friends and family.
Hassan's a good one.
I have friends that come in and stay with me for weeks.
You know what I mean?
All the time.
Can we dive into why you don't eat fruit?
Sure.
What is that?
Just don't like it.
Yeah.
But you drink neat whiskey and you can't eat a fucking strawberry.
No, I mean, I just don't like the taste of it.
It's sugar.
It's sweet and delicious.
Yeah.
I've never found myself being, I need that fruit.
Like I see a fruit.
But you think to yourself, I need a Coke Zero.
Yeah, I love that.
That's crazy.
Not Coke Zero, Diet Coke.
It's much better.
Diet Coke sucks.
I'm a DC boy.
Well, you know the story.
Diet Coke's not real Coke.
Sorry, what?
The reason Diet Coke and Coke Zero both exist is because they tried to make Coke without calories, but they couldn't do it with the same formula.
So they made a different formula.
That's Diet Coke.
Yeah, it's better.
So it tastes different than regular Coke.
Yeah, no, it's fine.
It's better, though.
Coca-Lite is the best, I think.
No, I hate it.
Coke.
I hate it.
I grew up with, I grow with Coca-Cola.
I love Coca-Colite.
No, it's awful.
I grew up with it in Turkey.
I don't either.
And the sweetener used in it, because, okay, the main difference is just the sweetener.
It's aspartame, I believe, in Coca-Cola.
I don't know what they're using in Diet Coke, but.
Sorry, cutie.
But basically, Diet Coke, I think, tastes better than regular Coke.
I guess it's an acquired taste, but because I drank it so much, I don't even like regular Coke.
When I drink regular Coke every now and then, it's like way too sweet.
What about a kiwi?
A fresh, juicy mango.
The only fruit that does it for me every now and then is a pineapple.
I do like pineapples.
Are you allergic?
If you eat a lot, do you get the roof of your mouth?
Wait, that's allergies?
Yeah, like some people handle the, like most people are allergic to that, but some people handle it really well and they can just down like three pineapples and they'll get no like acidity bumps on the roof of their mouth.
I 100% get acidity bumps.
Well, I know I don't get acidity.
Actually, I get acidity bumps from most fruit.
Really?
Maybe that's the reason why I don't like fruit.
Could be your mouth just might not handle the enzymes well.
Yeah, that could be the acidity bumps on my roof.
If you eat like a shit ton of pineapple, you don't get like the roof of your mouth like a little bumpier, like a little smoother.
I know.
It's like a slightly inflamed your gums.
I've never felt that.
Most of the time I eat pineapple, it's usually on pizza.
That's weird.
Wait, There's nothing wrong with pineapple pizza, but most of the time you eat pineapple, it's with pizza.
You don't eat the pineapple raw?
Like you're just only having it on pizza?
I don't think pineapple is very good raw.
So like if you bought a pineapple from the store, you'd be like, honey, we need to get a pizza.
Yes.
I would.
That is.
You might say gay honey.
That's weird.
Because otherwise they'd be confused.
Yes.
Is there a woman in this house?
That's weird.
Yeah.
That's very weird.
You don't eat any fruit, so you can't.
No, like I said, I mean, sometimes I have pineapple.
I've never felt the urge to eat an apple.
Like, I just don't like it.
It's very weird.
I know I'm weird on this one for sure.
I just, I don't.
Did you ever get smoked out of an apple?
Yes.
Yes.
I don't think there's something you haven't smoked out of that.
I was smoked out of.
I mean, there's a million things you could smoke out of.
Weed was illegal when I was in college.
I was smoking weed before it was legal.
Ableist Comments on Thirteen Year Olds00:15:29
You are becoming an old man.
I'm alerting the authorities on the street.
Asong has been trying to cope with his old age by calling me old.
But you are old.
How old are you?
28.
I'm 31, 28.
Wait, you're 28.
He's calling you old?
Yeah.
You're not 30.
No, I know.
So who it doesn't matter.
Yeah, exactly.
You're old as well.
You're definitely old now.
You have always been old.
We're in the same age range.
We're the same age, Rinch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And same age range as me.
You've always behaved old.
No.
It's just the truth.
No.
You are a full high school generation older than me.
Yeah.
That's a lot older.
I'm degrassing new generation.
You're OG degrassi.
No idea what those references are because I'm not old.
Hassan, when you were a senior in high school, I was 13.
Okay.
It doesn't matter.
Look at you.
What?
Excuse me.
No, no, great.
By the way, I didn't say it like that.
I meant like you'll wait.
No, the way you behave.
You're in remarkable shape for an old man.
But also, says the guy that throws out his back every other week.
That's true.
Also, that's called being tall.
Another problem for me.
I fall into that a lot.
Big stop.
I do.
It's a club.
You are not invited to the club.
It sucks.
All right.
It's not going to continue your homophobic rant.
Okay.
You were going to pivot to a topic.
No.
Well, what I was going to pivot to, there's so many topics that I wanted to cover that are great segues.
The old thing is actually one of them, which I was going to talk about with respect to like, you know, content on the internet.
And do you feel like you're getting old because you want to like, do you feel like you want to police content or at least have commentary on certain subjects where you're like, this is kind of off.
Like the iShow Speed Minecraft penis thing.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
That was hilarious.
I thought that was like, I don't know.
I thought it was weird.
Like, I thought a lot of iShow Speed's antics, I feel like, are definitely way over the top.
Quick recap for everyone who doesn't know.
iShow Speed, probably the largest YouTube streamer, maybe the largest streamer in the world, averages like 80 to 100K, has 10 million subscribers on YouTube.
And went from 1 million to a million like a year.
Yeah.
Right.
And he just streams and it's like maybe once like a day, once every other day, whatever.
And he just does like outlandish stuff, insane reactions to the things.
And recently, he got fucking sloppy, toppy, and Minecraft using a mod, and it was like straight up Minecraft Steve.
And you can do an angle where it's dick out, and the girl you can hear us going and you can see it.
Yeah.
Wait, it's kind of fun.
And he's reacting as if he's getting head in real life when it's happening.
Wait, so he's like role-playing him getting his dick sucked in Minecraft from this random.
And it's like, it's kind of funny, but then you consider like literally everyone that wise him is like 12.
Yeah, but like, that's fine.
It's a Minecraft penis.
I don't see this is what I'm saying.
I can't tell if you're trying to overcompensate by trying to be like, oh, I'm young.
I'm not.
No, I think that's fine.
I think that's just like, that's just like, that's no different than the yard talking about piss shit and come.
That's no different than you talking about sexcapades.
No, no, no.
I get that, but like, I feel as though our audience is a little bit older.
Or not a little bit, like, a lot older.
Yeah, but like, it doesn't matter if the general age is older.
If there are people that are younger, if you're uncomfortable because young people are watching it, you know, there are 13-year-olds watching you.
There are.
It's not like there's zero 13-year-olds watching you.
So you are saying it's like either okay, you're like, oh, it's bad because it's a lot of 13-year-olds.
Like, what's the number of 13-year-olds where it's a problem?
I think if it's like the majority, but it's okay if like a thousand 13-year-olds watch it.
Yeah, especially if you're, especially if you're not like coding your content specifically for like much, much younger audiences.
Do you see what I'm saying?
If you it's like the Minecrafter paradox, I would get it if he was doing content for kids and then pivoted to sexual stuff, but like that's the base he built because they've always enjoyed what he's done.
That's not different from what grew him to where he is.
It's not like doing like child Roblox and then he was like, now here's porn kids.
I get that.
Has this been controversial?
It's kind of controversial, but only because Jake Sucky like just tweeted out.
Yeah, fuck that guy.
Jake Sucky tweets out a lot of eyeshadow.
He's a bit of an iShowed speed police officer and tweets out like a lot of the fuck things he does.
This is Ludwig unironically trying to fucking no, I think I think this is what this is what is known as a Keemstar method, where you know that like there's a there's a powerful fan base or like a very popular content creator, so you establish yourself as like not directly targeting them mogul male speed, um, not directly targeting them, but also like uh, you know, being understanding.
We're not go ahead, continue, okay, where you you uh attack the guy uh that's like you know policing his behavior.
He's basically trying to say, I'm trying to get on the good side of speed.
I think you're probably you've probably been critical of him.
It's hard not to be critical of him.
Bang, yeah, so I've done the policing of speed, I just think that it probably overextends because of what he's done to like.
I'm willing to bet if you looked at that, there's a lot of like uh positive commentary in there.
Well, I think I recognize why he's big.
I think you pulled a Philip DeFranco and hit the hit the two sides.
No, I think I understand.
I think I understand why he's big.
I think and you have to be ignorant if you don't understand that.
And it's like he's clearly resonating with millions and millions of teens and kids.
Yeah.
Which is why I was asking, like, are we getting old?
Because like when I was younger, I'm sure if I was like 13, 14, I would fucking love that content.
I'd be like, this is so good.
Yeah.
This guy's crazy.
You just don't understand him.
Like, he's so funny.
But now I'm 31 and I'm like, should the kids be watching this?
Well, not really, but like, I'm not even saying that, but I do sometimes feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm just being a party boober, but I do sometimes feel like a sense of responsibility.
I don't even enjoy the fact of getting old is all about aesthetics for me.
I don't care about the like the personality.
You know, because you've been listening to like Frank, uh, Frankie Valley in the four seasons since you were 14.
Frankie Valley in the four seasons.
Yes, both of you guys have very old seasons.
You're very old at heart.
But I also listen to my music taste is very varied.
I listen to the rap pack on one day, and then the next day I could be listening to Beyonce's new album, which is pretty good.
Which is great.
Hasan wouldn't let me listen to it last night because she said a slur.
Yeah.
Well, that's it.
And I can't.
Not my queen.
I don't think I can associate with her anymore.
Yeah.
That was ableist and I.
That was ableist specifically in the UK.
That's the funniest.
That is like the funniest, I don't know, line of criticism for someone is like, well, this is a regionally, this is regionally a slur.
I mean, that's how it all is, right?
Yeah, no, I know, but it's like really funny because we're in America.
So like when something is a slur here, because we dominate culture so aggressively, so powerfully that every, it's like well established that that's considered inappropriate, right?
But it's just funny to think about it from the perspective of like people in the UK being like, well, no, this is unacceptable.
This is ableist.
You're like Batman's hench wasn't.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is unacceptable, Beyonce.
I've been a big fan for many, many years.
He wouldn't let me listen to Beyonce in the Carios.
Because of, because I'm not an ableist.
Oh, that's why.
Which is why we listen to the ableist song.
Which is why we live the King Von.
That wasn't.
I didn't even like that song.
Look, I'm Delta Figure.
You're trying to defend yourself for real now?
No, no, no.
I just, I'm coming across like you are ableists.
To wrap up the conversation, I don't think speed is much like the biggest problem.
No, I don't think so.
I think the big problem is that.
I think Andrew Tate's like a bigger problem.
I think Andrew Tate is definitely a bigger problem than Speed because like Speed's type of content is more like it's supposed to be shocking.
Like you're not 7th Street for Zoomers.
Yeah, some people will try to emulate that, but not everyone will.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's okay.
We're going to move past that.
Another content, another content creator that I actually want to talk about, even though this demographic of people talking about it is kind of not the best look, aesthetically speaking.
But Jidian.
There's a Jidian Tommy Innet drama.
I saw that.
And I've been thinking a lot about this.
And for those of you who don't know, Jidian was banned from Twitch for a harassment campaign that he did against Pokemon.
He apologized for it.
They made up for it.
And, you know, they became friends.
And then he's still banned from Twitch.
So he went to TwitchCon EU.
He snuck in with a partner badge from someone else and he filmed something there.
And he was being like, you know, he does a lot of pranks.
He does like, you know, the Best Buy prank shit where he goes and like annoys people that are, you know, minimum wage workers at Best Buy.
Yeah, he went to TwitchCon EU because he's banned from Twitch.
So it's like a fuck you to Twitch.
And then maybe this is a good video.
So he's just trying to disrupt a bit.
Yeah, exactly.
Which I don't have an issue with that sort of thing at all.
That's fine.
Like, that's what you're doing.
The part of the part of which was like controversial is that he went to the Tommy Innet meetup and there's a lot of Minecraft stands there, obviously.
And he was like, you know, yelling.
And then they said that he was harassing them.
Like the Minecraft stands.
So there was a huge line for the meet and greet that was closed and he clout cut through line because one of the guards is like, I know you.
He's like, get me in the line.
So they like brought him to the front.
And then he was like, just like overly excited, screaming for Tommy.
He's like, Tommy's the best.
I love Tommy.
He's so hot.
I fucking love Tommy.
Like pretending to be a fangirl of Tommy as like a joke, but like ran that bit for like 45 minutes into the ground.
And then he got beef with girls around him who were just Tommy Innet stands.
Yeah.
And then Tommy talked about it.
He was like, Tommy tried to reach out to him after, and he was unable to reach out to him directly.
He hit me up and told me to reach out to him, which I did, but I never got a response back.
Tommy told you to reach out to Jidian.
Yeah, he said, I'm trying to reach him and I can't.
And you DMG?
Yeah, I did.
And he didn't.
And we talked.
No, we had talked previously, like, right before then.
And then when I reached out to him with a Tommy Innet thing, like, I didn't get anything back from him for a while until the video dropped.
And he was like, yeah, I was suspended from Twitter.
Like, I could not even talk to him this entire time.
Oh.
So that sucks because in the video, he reacted to Tommy saying, I reached out.
And then he's like, Tommy never reached out to me, which is not true.
But he just, I guess, didn't know.
I, yeah, I don't.
Sure.
But anyway, I don't know.
I don't know what, like, I watched the video yesterday.
The reason why I wanted to talk about it is because it's a unique situation.
On the one hand, Jidian, as you can see from that video specifically, reaches out to a very different demographic than what we are reaching out to.
And what I mean by that is definitely, you know, black kids, people of color, much younger, but certainly like there is a, there are content creators out there that are now serving a otherwise underserved community.
I think this was a huge white base.
What?
I think he's a huge base of like people who are just white people.
It's just like rap music.
Everyone consumes it, but you know, and there's more white people.
So, of course, there's going to be like a big amount of people who are going to be able to do that.
I think you can say he covers a much less nerdy side of the internet.
Like it's much less gamer focused.
The only game those people play is like Call of Duty.
Yeah, but no, I also think that like our audiences are much more white than percentage-wise and his audience.
Yeah, but they're very nerdy.
They're like on the spectrum of DD to Call of Duty.
We're on the DD side.
Yeah, they're the jocks.
The Call of Duty Madden 2K players are the jocks of the game.
We played a football game and it was our viewers against their viewers.
I think we'd probably lose.
100%.
But actually, that's not true.
I do have a lot of, I have Thomas Crabtree in my fan base.
Is he like a famous?
Is like Michael Crabtree's brother or something?
He is a, I think he's a Heisman trophy winner.
I'm also a pretty good football player, too.
He has a Super Bowl.
No, not a Heisman Trophy winner, but he has a Super Bowl ring.
No, I am.
I'm pretty good.
Are you good?
Were you good at any sports, quick aside?
Yeah, I was a competitive soccer player.
I played left back.
He's actually very.
I could imagine.
I'm a good soccer player, and I also was starting quarterback for my neighborhood football team.
We played a little bit of basketball.
You're not very good at basketball.
No, I never played basketball.
Coordination is not great, but you are athletic.
I play left back as well, by the way.
No, no, no.
Well, basketball coordination is a good idea.
My coordination.
Put me a quarterback in any game, and I'm going to.
Yeah, no, you would dominate.
I'm saying your coordination for basketball is different than a 1v1.
Or you go back.
Oh, my God.
Are you going to let him get away with that?
I don't know.
I'm talking to you.
I don't know anything about it.
Destroy me in a one-week time.
1v1 in basketball.
Hold on, you got to continue the thought.
We were losing.
Wait, that is the most insane thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
Put basketball in one of the bros versus bros, dudes versus dudes.
Basketball is one of the games.
3v1?
Bros versus pros is me stands in Atriok going three against one in a professional of their esport.
You want me to do three versus one in USB?
Oh, I thought that's what I thought it was like 1v1.
That's bro versus bro.
Yeah, bro versus bro.
That's a series.
Okay, bro versus bro.
You were talking about doing one with me.
I said I would do it with you.
One of the games is basketball.
Only problem with that?
One.
I wouldn't do it because I'd have to put you in the thumbnail.
So can't exist.
Okay.
That's a very cool way to try to deflect away from.
That's a very cool way to deflect away from.
Order's been called.
Back to the Jideon thing I was talking about.
Initial thoughts.
One thing I want to say before we get to the initial thoughts is like, I think that pranksters like Jidian have existed since the beginning of time.
It's existed in mainstream media.
It's certainly existed on the YouTube space.
Jidian, as far as like his impact and his content or the way he carries himself and what he does, is infinitely less problematic than a lot of white pranksters that popped off on YouTube and got clouded the fuck up and did horrifying shit both in their videos and also the way that they conducted themselves.
But because, and this is the controversial part, because Jidian is black, same with iShow speed, I think that we do end up analyzing it from a different lens.
Maybe, but I also think Aiden Ross receives the same flag because he does a bunch of dumb shit.
I don't think to the same degree as Jidean does, though.
Really?
Yeah.
I feel like it's possible.
I think that that is like, people will get very mad at me because they'll and they'll bring up like examples of like white people being canceled or whatever the fuck.
And that's true, certainly.
But if you look at the impact of someone like Jidian, like he's just being annoying.
You know, that's his thing.
Jidian vs Speed Content Analysis00:14:54
He's being fucking annoying.
I personally am not a fan of that kind of content.
I don't think it's not for me.
I've never enjoyed it.
But plenty of people do.
But that is less impactful than like, you know, sexual assault prank.
I used to enjoy it though.
Or like going to the going into the hood with my Trump car prank.
You know what I mean?
Like all that shit.
That's like way worse.
Yeah, that is.
I don't think he's nearly in that category.
And I think it shows because I think he has a lot more success in those people and longevity than those people because those people are like a flash in the pan.
But I think for this specific example, like I think Tommy reacted in a way because of how his fans felt about it.
Oh, yeah, no, I wasn't saying the way that Tommy reacted.
And then I think also Jideon was like super disingenuous about how he phrased it because he's almost been like, damn, they were trying to put a smear campaign against me.
What if I was genuinely a Tommy fan?
And it's like, well, yeah, that's the whole point.
What if you were?
You weren't.
You were like a disingenuous fan yelling.
And it's in a way, I think, pretty easy to perceive it if you're like a Tommy Innet fan in a lineup and then someone's like fake yelling.
And it's pretty easy to tell when someone's like, Yeah, Tommy, and then they don't actually care.
That it devalues the thing you are caring about and it just makes them feel bad.
I don't think they have to fucking go out of their way to like try to kick him out, but yeah, he probably made everyone feel like a bit worse in the line.
100%.
I agree with you on that.
Absolutely.
And I don't think he cares about that.
I don't think he's ever considered that in his life.
And I think that's the life of a guy who goes around and films YouTube videos in public: you can't care about that.
Yeah.
Otherwise, your content will be worse.
Yeah.
So you are like, I think that the whole idea is let me devalue humans or just put me above them and be the dominator in the middle of the video.
The content of it.
Yeah.
Because content is more important.
Which is fine.
Everyone that does IRL does that to a certain degree.
100%.
Yes.
Except that's the reason.
That's why I try to be as like careful and considerate when I'm doing IRL streams and with respect to like there's no line, right?
There's no like, this is okay.
This is not okay.
Everyone's subjective line is different.
And even holding a camera in public, like there, half the world will immediately think you're a piece of shit.
Absolutely.
This is why they're right.
This is why I don't do, I don't enjoy doing IRL streams.
I hate it.
Yeah.
As much as I like it.
You're good at them when it's not on your stream.
Yes.
Because yeah, it's it's it's a lot more pressure when you're when you're holding the camera or it's on your stream.
Because you are the guy making this happen.
I think I think that's the same for everyone, by the way.
I'm better at other people's IRL streams as well than mine because I'm constantly worried like, is this good?
Are people enjoying this?
Or am I annoying?
Am I being a nuisance?
Exactly.
I'm trying to balance like, I don't want to fucking be a nuisance and annoy people.
And also at the same time, is this good content for everyone?
And when you're just a character on somebody else's stream, you can keep the perspective of, am I being annoying?
Am I being a nuisance in check a little bit more?
Because you don't have to pay attention to, am I being good content?
Yeah, because you can back off.
Exactly.
And it doesn't matter because it's not your fault.
You're just there.
I agree with you.
I'm just better on other people's streams, period.
Unless it's Nami Price.
Everyone is.
You agree on Nami Price.
That's what I'm saying.
That's the only stream in which I've actually been able to be.
But it's a studio setting.
It's different.
Yeah.
Yeah, because it almost feels like probably someone else's stream because they're doing production.
But yeah, I think Jideon probably does receive more flack, but I think it's kind of dumb.
He's trying to be a victim in this spot without at least accepting that he's being a pain in the ass to everyone.
For the record, just so everybody is clear on where I stand on this, I agree with you 100% on that part.
I think that like the Tommy Innet fan part of that proportion of that definitely, at least according to my subjective lines, went beyond what is like appropriate, acceptable, good content even.
I think that he could have handled that delicately.
But like him doing like the push-up contest and stuff like that, that's funny.
Like there's actually, there were actually legitimate funny parts in that video.
The soccer part was funny.
Yeah.
It's fine.
Exactly.
Because it was like everyone is having.
I think anytime you're doing something and everyone's having a good time, you're adding to the vibe.
Exactly.
But if you are like creating content in lieu of other people's vibes, like it's just, I think it's fucked.
If your content is bumming people around you, like if that's your, if that's your stated purpose, then yeah, I think he's also gotten better at that.
I think he was worse.
I think he's way more ready to just make other people's days worse so he would have better content.
And it's like, fuck it.
I'm, I'm, I'm a rebel.
I'm devious.
Doesn't matter.
Yeah.
And I think, I think he's gotten way better at that.
Yeah.
So we are in agreement there for sure.
Okay.
But the reason why I brought it up was the age thing.
However, there's another angle to it.
We talked about Andrew Tate misogyny on the internet.
Do you think it's popping off again?
Like, I feel like there was, I mean, it's always been there, obviously.
It's a structural problem.
It needs to be tackled with material restitution.
However, I do feel like content is, of course, always reflective.
Not to get too gromshy in here, but content is always reflective of the material realities.
And right now, it does seem like the 2016 era, like Gamergate era, like, I'm just going to be misogynistic because, you know, it's going to trigger the right people type of content is like popping off again.
Right.
I imagine it's like a swing thing, right?
Like it's like a pendulum.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think the trend is always less sexist.
Like if you, if you like look big zoom outs like over the past hundred years, but that probably involves periods where it's like, hey, this is a more sexist period.
And that's probably in like a direct retaliation to a period where everyone is like super shut down on anything sexist.
And also a new generation who hasn't like yet figured it out.
You know how there's like kids who can do the behind the ear joke and they'll like, they'll like, they'll be like, oh my God, how's there a coin back there?
And they don't know.
I think it's the same.
It's like they like.
They see misogyny on the internet.
They're like, that's sick.
I think a literal 12-year-old on TikTok who saw like the Call of Duty washing your dishes TikTok.
Yeah.
And it was like, it was like a Call of Duty female Call of Duty player.
It's a new joke.
It's a new joke for them.
And it's a new joke.
And they're like, oh my God, this is crazy.
It's demeaning women.
But to them, they're just like a fucking 12-year-old boy.
And the backlash from an authoritative figure makes it almost funnier for them because like, oh, this is also pissing off like a parental figure.
You know what I mean?
Like, old people care about these sorts of things.
I'm young.
I don't give a fuck.
That's why I always say like, you know, young kids always have like an anarchist streak in them with respect to that.
They consider that to be like a hierarchy that they must destroy.
But I feel like it's getting better.
I don't know.
Are kids dropping slurs in Valorant lobbies at the same rate they were doing in Call of Duty lobbies?
It's much better than it was when we were that age.
That's what I feel like is the case.
I don't know.
I think so.
I think so too.
Like there was, I don't think there was ever as like robust and as big of an online community like the Minecraft community is, which also tends to go way too far to the other side on the radfem shit where they just like are ridiculous.
But that kind of community has never existed as a counterweight and has been like as big or as powerful on the internet.
Whereas like, I feel like in the 2014 to like 2016 era, it was mostly just like people going ranging from like misogynistic, you know, transphobic bigoted content all the way to like straight up Nazis.
Right.
Like there's a little bit more of a balance.
It's not there.
But there was no, there was no like left adjacent counterweight to that, which there is one now.
But now I feel like there's another shift and I'm sensing it.
Well, like the shift can't go that far because there's a tighter like like leash for creators.
Like, you know, the shit you could get away with on Twitch fucking five years ago.
Oh, I know.
You can't get away with any of that today.
Yeah.
Not a shot.
And so like that puts a leash on creators, which then is like a leash on what viewers can watch.
Yeah.
You know, there's still a lot of stuff on Twitch, though, but especially on TikTok.
I think TikTok is the one that's like fucking Wild, Wild West.
Yeah.
Are you on TikTok?
Yeah, I'm on TikTok.
Do you see that shit?
Most of my TikTok is just thirst traps.
Is it?
Yeah.
My Instagram and TikTok are just like thirst traps.
Yeah.
You know it's curated for you.
Yeah, I know.
So you know, it's okay.
I do.
I worked very hard on trying to build a good for you page for myself, but I constantly undermine it whenever I look at like cringe shit for streaming.
My Instagram, I intentionally like to look at shirtless men.
That's fair.
Right?
I think it's what Instagram's for.
I think Instagram is pure vanity and there's no substance behind it.
Is it weird though that I deliberately know that and like I don't want to fuck up the algorithm?
So I like will only look at that.
No, you're leaning into it.
So you wouldn't like a friend gets married from high school.
You're like, can't look at that.
I got to look at it.
Quick.
No, like, because I've got a lot of people.
I've got a lot of straight friends, and sometimes I'll be like, yo, is this girl hot?
And she'll have big boobs.
And then like boobs will be all over my fucking For You page.
Boobs.
Get it out of here.
I don't think boobs are gross.
Yeah.
I don't even think those milk bags.
I don't even think vaginas are gross.
I just, they just don't do anything for me.
And I prefer to see shirtless men.
That's fair.
Fair.
So you're curating a page that's good for you.
That's the whole point.
Yeah.
But I feel like I'm missing out on it when I don't have a good for you page because like there's uh there's things which we're gonna do in a little bit actually like the tortilla slap challenge.
You know what I mean?
We're tortilla slap challenging.
Yeah, we're gonna tortilla and slap challenge.
Is that on this pod?
No, we're gonna do it in an hour.
We're gonna do the tortilla slap challenge.
Before you leave, I have sussy sunday.
I know.
Gotta go then.
No, I'm locking this shit.
I have to play.
I played are you streaming up the night?
No, I'm not.
Okay.
I decided to take a day off.
I was going to do Sussy Sundays and I heard Ludwig was going to be on it.
And I was like, don't want to like hanging out with me.
It's kind of awkward.
Well, since Hassan's taking the day off, I'm also going to take the day off.
I think I've been working too much.
Bro, you're the opposite.
I'll be honest.
I'm the busiest non-streamer that anybody could ever do.
This is pretty funny because this was one of the things I was going to talk about.
Last night we're at Matt's birthday.
Oh, no.
Nate Shot's birthday party.
Oh, no.
Is he going to expose me now?
And Austin is sitting in a corner by himself and he just looks visibly shook.
And normally Austin is a social butterfly.
You've seen him.
He's a people pleaser.
He loves being the life of the party, talking to everybody.
Mix!
How you doing?
Anyway, left and right, you know, shaking hands, slapping butts.
I'm a schmoozer.
You're a schmoozer.
He's a schmoozer.
And it's great.
It's great.
You're extroverted.
You're a schmoozer.
Love that.
I am as well, but you've probably never seen me schmooze.
I've never, you know, schmooze.
You're not a schmoozer.
Do you know why?
Because you used to be a schmoozer.
What happened?
Austin experienced that for the first time in his life.
No, no, no.
He was sitting in the corner.
He goes, damn, like, why am I so tired?
I was like, yeah, because you fucking streamed for four hours before you got four hours.
But I'm like that on my shows too.
Maybe it's just politics.
Suck the life out of you.
But you never, but you don't actually go out and like, you know, engage in like networking or like go to a fucking event right after you stream for like four hours.
No, you're right.
But usually I need like a cool down of like an hour or two.
Yeah.
And then I'm right into it.
Well, look, like TwitchCon, like we're streaming on the floor.
I was able to put that energy right after that and go to the parties and network.
I think that's a little bit different.
I think it's politics.
Politics suck the life out of you.
Dude, streaming at Hassan is like a fucking sweatshop, bro.
He has you in here sitting in your chair.
You got this weird ass high angle that's for like eight foot nine men.
You're not sure if you should be there at certain moments.
No.
At the time, it's just like you're just spectating his stream.
He'll go up on a tangent and it's like, you should like, he'll turn to me.
You can go if you want.
You know, like I feel, again, it goes back to like the dynamic of like, I want to make sure I'm accommodating to you and I want to make sure that you're having a good time.
And if I feel like you're looking at, you know, you're looking at shirtless photos of dudes in your phone while I'm like watching Trump speak or whatever, then at that point, it's like, yeah.
But I enjoy, I enjoy being on his stream and I also enjoy watching it.
Being on Hassan's stream is like going to your friend's house for dinner and sometimes he gets mad at his parents and they yell at each other and you just got to chill and it's a little awkward, but you'll get through it.
Yep.
I understand that.
I just got to get back.
I try when Hassan dips into something really controversial.
I try to leave to go to the restroom.
What I do is if he's not in one, I'll get him to say something controversial so I can leave.
Oh, okay.
So you have when you have to pee and like you just, you need to like.
And I just, I'm like, sit the fuck down.
Yeah.
Watch me.
It's like when I said the basketball won't be one thing.
Part of me is like, oh, this is my time.
This is how I leave.
No, this is great.
We're definitely doing that for dude versus dude.
Yeah, dude.
It's actually called Dude Perfect.
It's what the show is.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Well, I too love Christ, like those guys.
Anyway, so back to what we were talking about, I totally forgot what we were talking about.
You were talking about me being a social butterfly at parties.
Oh, yeah.
But he just realized that it's exhausting.
And I think that's what it is.
Like, I used to be a much more introverted, much more social person.
And because I give everything, you've talked about this before, too.
You said, like, I give everything to the stream where I'm like trying to be 100% all the time on stream for like eight hours.
It takes a lot out of me and I don't even realize it.
And then when I go out, I'm just like.
It's sloppy seconds for the rest of us.
Yeah, it's not good.
I call myself an extrovert with introverted tendencies.
Everyone is.
No one is fully extroverted.
Yeah, but okay, fair enough.
I mean, I often, when I'm at home, usually like I would much rather like stay in and like be alone than go out and go out and party.
I think that's fair.
Because you're old.
Same with me.
No, I'm not old.
You're not old.
When I come here, Los Angeles is just more, I think, of a fun party city.
I mean, it's a fucking dump, but it's still much more fun of a party city.
I never hang out.
I usually, I go to like something once a week, maybe, maybe once every few days.
You never hang.
I don't hang.
You're not a hanger.
You got shit to do.
But when I hang, I feel like I'm pretty one-on-one.
I try to, I try to balance it too, but I'm not.
Like, I'm not a hanger either anymore.
I just, I just stream all the fucking time.
And then when I don't stream, it's like.
Hassan likes to Netflix and chill with his straight guy friends.
Are you weird?
Yeah.
Why is that weird?
Like, are you watching something particular?
Are you like browsing?
No, like, you want to come over to me.
When Austin was here, when Austin was here like a couple, like a year ago or whatever.
And I was like, bro, you want to like, because I didn't want to go out.
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So I was like, you can come over if you want.
We can watch something.
And he was just like, no.
Yeah, I was like, that's kind of gay, bro.
Yeah, literally.
I was like, what do you mean?
Like, why?
We're friends.
Like, friends can watch our shows.
Yeah, it's normal to watch it if you have a show in mind.
If you don't have a show in mind, and it's just for the sake of it.
It's just for the sake of friendship.
I know that this sounds weird, but if I want to go like watch something with somebody, like, unless it's like a, like a really good movie, like go to a movie theater, like an event, most of the time when I want to watch something with somebody, it's like, oh, yeah, there's going to be a movie.
I think that's not going to be watching the movie.
We're not going to be watching.
I think that's odd.
But like...
You think that's odd?
I wouldn't hit you up to like drive all the way from wherever the fuck you are seven and a half hours away to be like, hey, come over.
We'll watch like, I don't know, some random thing.
But he's here already.
Instead of sitting in his hotel alone, I'm like, yeah, just come over.
If you want to hang out, like we can hang out in my life.
I would rather go to a rooftop and drink and socialize than if he had been like, yo, everything everywhere all at once is playing in theater.
I want to see it.
You want to go with me?
That would be different.
What if he was like, okay, the rehearsal just came out on HBO Max and I really want to see it.
Do you want to come over and watch it on the TV?
No.
Really?
Because to me, those are the same.
No, they're different.
But if he was just like, hey, come over and maybe we'll watch something.
Not maybe we'll watch something.
We'll watch something.
We'll just hang out.
If you hang out at my place instead of going something.
If we were already here and he turned on the TV and we started watching something, you'd be like, this is gay.
This is gay.
This is indecent.
I would just much rather with my friends.
I would much rather go out and do an activity than sit in and watch.
Sure.
And if I do sit in and watch something with somebody, like, I hope I get laid.
This is an affront to God.
That is a little weird.
You're a little...
No, Most of the time.
Wait, you think that's a little strange?
Tell me why.
That you wouldn't, like, if I was like, yo, Austin, I think there's a sick movie you'd love and I'm going to watch it.
You want to come over and watch it?
And it was like not an inconvenient thing and you had no other plans.
I'm saying most of the time.
No, he's homophobic.
Most of the time, I say like, I feel like watching something on the couch with somebody is more of an intimate activity.
Most of the time.
There are exceptions.
I will give you that.
There are sometimes.
Me and Cutie.
It's you and Cutie.
Then I'm third wheel.
Then it's weird.
Me, cutie, and Aiden.
Then I'd come over and watch.
Because you think it'll elite us all back.
No, no, no, no.
I have zero expectation.
That's the other thing.
We talked about this on the...
You're a hornboard.
No, no, we talked about this on the show, the Hassan Abi broadcast yesterday.
When you, and not to go off on a tangent, but when it comes to intimate things, just because somebody invites you over to go watch a movie and there may be a little romantic connection prior, doesn't mean anything's gonna happen.
Are you saying that there's a little bit of a romantic connection prior with you and Aiden?
No god no no, not at all.
Do you?
Do you wish for there to be no Aiden?
Aiden's cute.
He knows that I think he's cute, but there's nothing beyond Aiden.
Aiden's got a cute personality.
Why am I cute guy homophobic?
Yeah, what?
I can't say that because you're homophobic.
What the?
Yes, I can.
You spent the first 45 minutes of this podcast.
I can be homophobic and say Aiden's cute at the same time.
You got a pick.
I just did it.
Wow, Aiden is very handsome and he's very sweet.
That's true.
But you know what?
He's keep saying nice things about him.
He's got a girlfriend?
No, romantic attraction?
No, not at all.
What?
Aiden and I are strictly platonic.
You keep saying it like this, i'm gonna do you okay I, I don't want to focus on you.
Would get a different vibe from that okay um, what's up?
Ksi versus Logan Paul or Jake Paul?
Oh, who did nice.
Are we trying to fit in with a younger crowd who asked, yeah, I did.
What do we?
You're trying to get hip?
Now i'm trying to get hip, are there?
That's not gonna happen.
What I know.
Oh, do you want it to do?
You think I would beat Ludwig in a boxing match?
I think you said I would evenly matched.
As a matter of fact, you guys are.
You're the same yeah, but i'm not a fighter one.
It was 170.
I've lost about six pounds.
I'm on 64 yeah, but I look.
But i've seen how he.
I've seen how he fights and it's not very 188.
The thing is, Ludwig is I?
I know, are you guys the same height?
No, I know I wouldn't be a good fighter, because when, when I was watching like the, the boxing with Minks and everything, I uh I was going out watching them go out and I was so I saw the vaseline on their face.
I was like that would clog my pores and you don't want that.
No, I would be so obsessed with how I looked on stage.
You're not gonna look pretty, that's what that, but then I would.
That'd be how I could see you trying to like reflection of like uh, I don't know anything in the crowd.
Be like when you're running, when you go on a run in the morning, do you think about how you look if other people are walking by you as you run?
No, because you probably look bad.
Yeah, in the morning, when i'm at the gym, I don't look good.
I wear like shitty clothes.
Are you okay with that?
Because not, no one.
Yeah, it's like i'm under construction at the gym.
I don't.
I don't see that as an opportunity to impress people.
I'm like working on myself.
And there's no one that like you run into that you're like, oh fuck, you saw me like this?
No, in the gym, in the gym, there's just like a bunch of straight, I go to a bodybuilding gym.
So there's like a bunch of straight bodybuilders.
Bodybuilders, not my type.
That's fair.
Also, straight, not my type.
That's good.
Straight men, the most repulsive human beings on the planet.
Wow.
You are alone on that.
What?
I feel like you think gay men.
Every one of my gay friends, with the exception of you, would definitely want to fuck straight dudes.
Okay.
Like, I don't think straight men are because you guys are straight men.
So like I love straight men like as my friends.
But like the moment I hear like a guy is straight.
Now there are certain men that I'm like, I find attractive.
And like if they were gay, of course I would, I would want to like maybe do stuff with them.
But if they are straight, it's like off the table because so much of my attraction to somebody is them being attracted to me.
That makes sense.
So you want to feel loved and hot.
I also think that is your very mask.
You are like very straight passing.
Unless you're trying actively to speak like he says I code switch.
You do code switch 100%.
Everyone does to an extent.
Like around girls.
Yeah.
This is my natural cadence, I think.
This is what I normally do.
Yes.
But when you're around girls, you queen it up for sure.
Yep.
I do.
Like absolutely.
Yeah.
They love it.
And sometimes he does it for me.
He like will literally perform.
It's weird.
In front of you alone?
No.
No.
When you're talking to women around me sometimes.
Is that not?
Is that what you do to win?
Do you not do that?
When you're talking to someone, you'll be like, yeah, I amped it up for you.
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There was one time when I know Hassan gets a kick out of it.
So like I played it up even more.
He'll be like, oh my God, your skin is gorgeous.
And he's like, he's like doing shit I've never seen him do before.
Like you're like limp wristing.
I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
I don't know.
He's pleasing.
I'm cleaning it up.
He's pleasing.
I'm just being who I am.
But they love it.
No, ladies love it.
They love it.
Yeah.
Oh, I know.
Why can't you just let a gay man be gay?
No, I just, I hate it.
It's so, it's so interesting.
Especially in the bedroom.
I think I'm in this weird, this interesting position.
Like, because I'm a masculine presenting gay guy, most women that I meet that don't know me think that I'm straight.
And when you, when they find out you're gay, it's a completely like different fences.
Exactly.
Like, they're completely like, it's all off.
Women treat you so much better when you're a gay man.
It must be a bit annoying sometimes.
Sometimes.
I think I get treated well.
Sometimes, sometimes, well, I mean, not all of us.
They might just be too friendly.
Sometimes I get frustrated when women are like some women, they put on a front like, I am interested.
Not all women.
Some, some.
Yeah.
This is the misogyny podcast.
You can say it.
Wait.
But, but I, which, which is annoying.
So, like, I actually deliberately will go talk about how I'm a homosexual.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Well, that, that's why, that's why the insults are right.
Wait, that was kind of an insult to me.
Yeah, that was.
You're like, yeah, you got to fucking, I tell them I'm gay immediately.
So they treat me like a human.
That's what you said.
But it's.
Can we cut that from the podcast?
No.
No cuts.
No cuts.
This is the top sheet.
This is a top sheet edit for sure.
So you don't want to talk about like, there's one element of the Paul brothers that I can't believe I'm handing it to them, but like I do respect everything they've done to their bodies and how much they've like worked on.
No homo though.
That's what I mean.
It's like it's the natural progression, I think.
It's like YouTuber or maybe just famous person gets very rich.
They get power.
And then it's like, I feel like getting a fucking hot, tight fit bod is.
It comes with a territory, but that's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the amount of work and dedication that you have to put in to be able to actually fight in the ring, even if it's...
Oh, yeah, Jake Paul's a great fighter.
Yeah, even if you're like actually good now.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Even if it is, like, I have friends who are who, you know, fight train.
I have friends who are actual trainers, and they also agree that Jake Paul is a pretty, pretty decent fighter from what they've seen.
I feel like he's been doing nothing about training that.
Yeah.
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I don't, I don't, I don't care if he fights case.
In the case, I will not fight him.
Yeah.
It's just a nothing burger of a.
It's not, it's not his best interest.
Do you think you'd beat me in a fight?
I forgot.
I think so because I have 20 pounds on you in a few inches.
But I think you're very strong.
I think you would also beat me.
I don't think you're good at boxing either.
I like you if I could punch you that hard.
I don't think I could either.
I think it would be, I don't think I could.
I don't think I could.
It would be like the Hunger Games, and we just eat blueberries and make love.
That would be good.
Is that what happened in the Hunger Games?
I have not seen it.
Maybe I do.
Catis and Peter.
I do like the idea of wrestling another man, but just like in a very.
You just want to have sex right now.
You just offered.
Yeah.
Okay.
Hassan, let's talk about your depression real quick.
My depression?
Yeah.
I'm not depressed.
Well, that's because your viewership's doing all right now.
It's true.
It'll come and go.
He's also really excited to be on Name Your Price this Thursday.
Is he?
Oh my God.
Well, who's going to be there?
If it's not a good lineup, well, I heard somebody leaked that Ray is going to be there, but I cannot confirm nor deny it.
And there's one other guest that I cannot leak.
Actually, coming out tomorrow, yeah.
Well, this comes out tomorrow.
Yeah, but I don't know about the timing.
And, you know, who knows?
It'll come out after.
What time is it going to come out?
I don't know.
Just say it.
The last guest.
Whoa.
Yep.
Hey, be prepared to bleep that out.
This is huge.
No, actually, bleep it out anyway because then they'll have to go to my Twitter to look who that guest is.
Oh my God.
All right.
Hassan, why are you still so results-oriented in your day-to-day joy?
It's the best thing to be able to otherwise analyze something that's qualitative.
That's why I look at numbers.
Do you know you're going to fall off?
No, that's that true.
How dare you?
Yeah, of course he will.
We all fall off.
We all fall off.
Everybody falls off.
PewDiePie has fallen off.
Name three actors from 100 years ago.
The most famous actors.
God, you're fucking right.
100 years ago.
Everybody falls off, but the three Stooges.
Dying is the.
Charlie Chaplin.
Charlie Chaplin.
Marilyn Monroe.
No, wrong period.
Okay.
50 years.
Dean Martin.
I don't know anything.
Off by like 10 years.
Dean Martin and what's his buddy's name?
See, I can't even remember.
It was like Dean Martin.
They were like a very powerful duo.
For the record, those guys have died.
That's the ultimate fall off.
You're dead.
Plus L plus ratio plus your white.
Sure.
That's done.
I'm talking like while you're around.
Relevancy.
Yeah, but like, why does it matter?
It'll be gone when you die then.
Why do you need to have it?
Like, it will fall off.
And so I feel like it's futile to try to hold on to it for as long as possible and have that be your source of joy.
I have a very real answer for this that I don't think you're going to appreciate or believe.
And I've had this conversation with you before.
I'll listen.
The way I see my relevancy, and it feels good to be relevant, like, you know, a little bit of narcissism there.
Who doesn't have that, especially in our sector, in our industry?
But the way I see relevance is a way to try to combat otherwise reactionary ideologies that are very prescient, permanent, a part of our everyday existence.
Social conditioning is really powerful, right?
For people to be bigoted.
And I do see that relevance in that respect for myself is a way to show people that You can still be fun and cool and be friends with all your favorite content creators and not be a piece of shit, douchebag or bigoted.
You don't have to be misogynistic to be funny, even though I do engage in it every now and then.
Like there's a subs a little bit podcast.
Yeah, like this podcast.
Same with like homophobia, transphobia, everything that we talk about.
If we're going to be serious for a moment, like I think that it's the hackiest way that you can pop off, but because the social conditioning is so set as a consequence of our material conditions, that it's the easiest thing to lean on.
You can always, there's always an avenue for success there.
And a lot of people see that.
And I think a lot of people look up to that in a weird way almost, right?
They think it's cool and funny and edgy.
And I want to be able to combat that.
So I see that like relevance has two different metrics of success for me.
I get the fulfillment not from the relevance itself, but from what that relevance indicates, which means I'm going to have a larger audience of people that I can talk to about politics, that I can change the minds of, that I can urge to become community organizers, that I can urge to actually organize in their workplaces.
A lot of the Starbucks union people are, you know, Hasanabe heads.
There are so many people in my community that have done amazing things, like Sean the Black, for example, who just got a vice piece done on him for coding a way to disrupt union busting software for, I think it was for Amazon as well.
Well, a bunch of other, a bunch of companies that were trying to immediately hire scabs when they had like workplace stoppages happening, like strikes happening at the world.
So you think clout is a currency to fight against like racism, homophobia, sexism, whatever?
I think that the way it works is as long as I can stay above water and relevance in and of itself feels good.
It feels good to be liked for sure.
But I do also see that there's like a secondary reasoning behind it as well.
Yeah.
I think that is if you fall off, then they win.
Because then they just be, you are washed and irrelevant.
Well, that's not the way I see it because I think that I'm not confused about like my impact.
I don't think it's like incredible.
I don't think it's like system changing.
You know what I mean?
The impact you would have would be lost if you were not relevant.
The impact I would have would be, yeah, totally blunted.
And yeah, 100%.
Look at Twitch.
I think Twitch, I think Twitch, when I first started on Twitch, was dramatically different than the attitude towards bigotry was, I think, different than what it is now on the platform for sure.
You don't think so?
I think so.
I think 100% culture comes in swings.
Yeah.
I think that there is obviously much larger, there's much larger differences at play there.
There's much larger systemic actions at play there as well.
Twitch's interest in maintaining some level of terms of service.
You know what I mean?
That's a big factor in it.
But I think overall, part of the reason why that space became as positive to even receiving political news is because they saw that one of the largest communities on the platform was a leftist political content creator.
And I think that people look at that and go, I'm more open-minded to hearing this guy out.
I'm more open-minded to hearing this guy out because he's friends with my favorite content creator.
I'm more open-minded to hearing him.
Charitability is a huge tool that I think people don't recognize.
And I'll have a more charitable approach if I'm doing content with you, for example.
But your community is already pretty left-leaning to begin with.
No.
No.
Not at all.
Yeah, I mean, I get that.
I think, I mean, I think it's enough to have impacted people.
I think that's powerful.
I think, like, I think if it's like a war of clout and if I am more clouded, then I am more reliable.
That's like dangerous because then people who are clouded who maybe have ideals that are bad, like objectively bad, then like then they are people that you can look at and like if Andrew Tate is friends with a bunch of big streamers, then his opinion is valid.
Yeah, no, but that is valid because he's that is unfortunately how it works.
That is unfortunately how it works.
It's like it's like swimming upwards with like a tiny paddle instead of being on like a boat.
You know what I mean?
Sure.
Swimming upstream.
You do what you can.
It's not the most reliable thing to do, but it's the only thing I have in my tool belt that I can use.
Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And that is unfortunately true, though.
That's why it's still impactful when Steven Crowder was blowing up with memes and whatnot.
And then because of that, he was getting way more prominence.
Same with Andrew Tate.
Same with Ben Shapiro being on the meme review.
How many children were introduced to Ben Shapiro as a consequence of that?
That's the way I think about it.
Do you think we can control falling off?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you think that's what Hollywood does literally?
Do you think what people like PewDiePie and as you mentioned, they become so large that maybe not satisfied, but there's a sense of complacency that sort of is a catalyst to them falling off?
Yeah, like I think PewDiePie is like a retired man who lives in Japan and vlogs his life in Japan and then occasionally hops on like a Reddit and then makes a video because that's like no sudo and then it gets canceled.
But like I don't think I don't think that like I think to not fall off is just like adapting to the times.
Yeah.
And then that's it.
But you're not going to be relatable if you're like so out of touch that you are so incredibly famous and so rich and so far removed from like any sort of backlash or any sort of commentary.
You don't even have like any people in your immediate vicinity to tell you like you're wrong about this and you should rethink this stance or whatever.
That like I think that that definitely makes your commentary less sharp.
We see this with older comics all the time, Dave Schappell being a great example of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, that is the thing is you become less relatable because you're rich and complacent and then live a good life and you don't know the people anymore.
Yeah, your commentary suffers as a consequence.
You know what a great idea is for you?
This will keep you hip, keep you young, keep you energized.
Go to every Starbucks in America.
That is an insane thing to do.
IRL stream and try to get as many unionized as possible.
That is an insane thing.
Give up all your worldly possessions for how many Starbucks exist.
I think you need to live in a box.
My guess is like 6,000.
First of all, the irony, of course, is that like, and what you're saying isn't wrong.
Like, I mean, I see what you're saying.
You're pointing.
7,500.
7,500.
How many Starbucks?
That'd be a great YouTube video.
Yeah, look at that.
Why are you looking at that?
Okay.
That would be a fun YouTube video, like visiting every Rainforest Cafe, except I would have significantly larger impact literally staying at home.
And no, 100%.
Individually, I do not have access to 35,000, 40,000 people.
15,000.
30, 15,000.
Jesus.
15,000 Starbucks locations.
Let's ditch Starbucks every Amazon warehouse.
That's easier.
There's a lot of Amazon warehouse.
There's not 15,000.
I bet there's like 2,000.
Amazon is actually...
Well, I will be having 10.
That's doable.
I will be having Chris Smalls on of the Amazon Labor Union on the broadcast this week.
He's in Los Angeles right now.
See, like, I do things like that already.
About a big publicity stunt.
No, no, I understand.
Because I think that's how you gain a large influx.
That's what it is.
That's how you stay relevant: you have a big catalyst that spikes a huge group of people to know who you are or like what you do.
And then, and then it goes down, and then like the trend stays smoothly going.
Yeah, but if you just keep doing the status quo thing, then it's just like this, and like maybe it goes up, maybe it goes down, but it eventually will go down.
So you need a big spike.
Yeah, I mean, I see that.
That's like we're getting into like the real you know, back end stuff.
We're opening up the engine right now and showing you how the sausage is made.
I use like eight different analogies there.
But, um, but yeah, I mean, the way I can do this is the way I do that is like the way I, the way, the way I do that is through guests and whatnot, and sure, things that sometimes get me canceled up.
So, you won't visit every Amazon warehouse facility?
It's a good idea.
I do like it.
IRL stream it.
Go to everyone.
Maybe.
And it's like Ryan Trahan's journey.
The problem with that is that it, the way I make content as far as like commentary, it's every day.
So I would not be able to keep up with that schedule while simultaneously doing something like that.
But it is something I've been, it is something I've been considering a lot.
Is more pre-planned?
No, I always like it.
Taking a day off today.
I only take a day off because.
And Thursday.
I only take a day off because I feel myself getting a hair trigger.
Like, if I start popping off on chatters that I normally would like, because there's always people trying to derail the stream.
But if I start recognizing that I'm popping off on chatters that I normally would like avoid, ban and move on, and I'm just like doing it a lot.
And I start yelling at long-term community subs for like things that I find to be offensive to make an example out of them, then I'm like, oh shit, I'm starting to get like burned out a little bit.
But you still enjoy the actual practice of it.
You just sometimes do it too much.
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Yeah.
It's crazy.
I love what I do.
I'm built for streaming.
Like, it's perfect for me.
It's perfect for me because, you know, I love talking about politics.
And it's perfect for me because the format is great.
You like going to a pool and then swimming laps up and down until you're exhausted.
I like getting real high and doing a big cannonball and then getting out and doing another cannonball.
You're also a cannonball.
Yeah, I'm a cannonball guy, but like I do, I like do a cannonball and then like I come back like three months later and then do another one.
Yeah, you do a cannonball and then you like like go fuck the lifeguard.
Yeah, that's true.
And then also maybe set up like a cool way to do a new cannonball or something.
That's the thing.
Like I want to do that too.
I want to fuck the lifeguard.
I want to do cannonball.
That's what I mean.
But right now, I'm like, I'm too.
I'm just.
I think he's a great guy.
So I'm saying go fuck him.
Like, have sex with him.
Oh, have sex with him.
I don't know.
Did you guys see his girlfriend kind of looks like a less hot but more bimbified version of his wife?
Zipper 7, pull that up.
Marsh.
Pull up Jeff Bezos' girlfriend.
Jeffy B and pull up Jeff Bezos' wife.
Also, we got to wrap up for that if we're going to do this tortilla thing.
I got Sundays to suss out.
Give me images.
Give me images.
That's his girlfriend.
Okay.
Now pull up his wife.
His wife.
Mackenzie Scott is such a gem.
No.
Yeah.
You don't think so?
I mean, no.
They look very different.
No, no, no, they do, but it's like.
Sure.
It's like more.
I feel like Jeff Bezos' current girlfriend looks like is in the same like realm where it just looks like what his girlfriend would look like if she got like a lot of Botox and plastic surgery right like his his, his.
Mackenzie Scott is like a, like a, what you would think of when you think of like a, like a, like a I don't know six year old, fifth year old woman.
She's just like a, she's like a mom, she's like a woman.
I mean she keeps it tight like she's, she's she's beautiful, saying she's beautiful, more so, saying she's like a, like a normal personal person.
And then, and then obviously his new girlfriend is someone who's just like fucking trying to be hot and shit.
Yeah, you're never gonna go from being billionaire, billionaire breaking up with your wife and then find like a normal person.
Yeah, I think it's over, probably impossible for him to ever date a normal person again.
It's it's completely over.
And for that reason, I just find it really strange that he did that, that he cheated, I guess.
Yeah, I mean, that's probably not like.
I don't think he considered he cheated on her.
Yeah, that's why she divorced.
Yeah, the story is actually really wild.
I think it was like the Saudis were involved in in, like intercepting communications or something like Jesus Christ yeah, it was hot, it's insane.
Yeah yeah, it's weird, he gets around.
Yeah well, he's a bit of a slut.
Jeffy.
Jeffy is, but I mean he looks good.
Out of all the billionaires, I would say, like you got Bill Gates, you got Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos in the best shape out of all the billions, for sure, 100 gates.
Bill Gates is not in the bazaar.
He's not in the best shape no, but out of all of them, out of all of the billionaires, is in the best shape either.
Saying those three were in the best, like the the, the billionaires.
In the public eye and public consciousness, Richard Branson is probably in better shape than Jeff Bezos, but outside of Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos is probably in the best.
I think Jeff Bezos looks the best.
His body looks the best.
Richard Branson's body probably looks pretty good.
You think so, but Jeff has a fucking.
Yeah, he's, he's on that h grind.
One thing that is terrifying, though is he's a billionaire and he's bald.
Bald billionaires terrify me.
Yeah no, I think he gave up.
They have naked cats.
No I, I think.
I think he gave up, like because you have Elon, like constantly getting hairline surgery and like, constantly doing stuff to like, because the hairline's like Lebron's, you know what I mean goes back and then goes up again, um and, and you can't do that if you're gonna take like steroids, because steroids also up your hairline.
Wait he he uh, Bezos does steroids.
I'm almost certain that all of those guys early enough that I think it's chill.
Uh yeah, he was bald like real early on.
Yeah, when he, when Amazon was, so when Amazon was supposed to be a digital library, he was bald.
My man was bald as hell.
He, before it became, became the e-commerce giant.
Rocks of them.
Yeah, the bald folks, he's a bald ally.
I mean bald, if I guess.
If you're bald long enough, I guess that you just you would look weird with hair.
Yeah yeah, like Mr Clean.
Yeah, I have, I have for Johnny, for Johnny Shins.
I have friends who, literally I have bald friends who do flex, not to flex, so you can make fun of bald people, but they look.
Uh yeah, my president was bald.
Yeah, I have bald friends who look better bald than they do with hair.
Do you think i'd look good bald?
No well you're, unless i'm not.
I'm not losing my hair unless you grow out the beard more.
Uh yeah, I don't.
I don't like uh, growing my Beard out because I feel like it makes me look like too old.
Dude, you have great Lebanese hair to be able to do it.
Oh, I know.
If you grow your beard, I could grow it pretty big too.
I think I could grow a beard.
Beards are straight up makeup for men.
Not to get all like, huh, TikTok rat femme with it, but beards are makeup.
It makes it makes you look older.
It does, but it makes you look hot.
But it's worth it.
I like the stubble.
I think most people, we'll see what the YouTube comments say, but I think most people prefer that are attracted to men.
I think, or I guess women can have beards too.
Have are attracted to like stubble or as opposed to like big beards.
Yeah.
I'm going to shave right after this.
That's what I'm going to do.
But on that note, while Ludwig is filming Austin for some reason, I think still.
I think that is a good point to end it.
That's a good point to wrap it up.
Look at me, though.
What are you doing?
Are you posting this?
I'm trying to see how weird.
Can you.
Oh, you have a.
I had to get it.
I had to load it.
Continue us on.
Okay.
Well, anyway, on that note, I think we can wrap it up here.
I wanted to give a big thank you to Austin's show for coming and taking Will's place for this.
I had to move my flight for this.
Yeah, he did.
He did.
Thank you.
And I'm flying coach because of it.
No, you're not.
I literally am.
Wow.
Devastating.
The sacrifices you make are Archer Men.
You look good.
Send that to me.
We'll put it in the fucking.
I like it.
Wait, wait, where are you going to put it?
I like it, to be honest.
Yeah, you look good.
You look good.
Well, yeah, I don't think I look bad.
I just prefer this.
I want to see what you look like.
You probably look great as well.
Also, Ludwig, thank you, Ludwig.
Ludwig, do you have anything to plug?
That's terrible.
That's terrible.
You look hella Lebanese with that one.
You look the most Lebanese.
My dad had a mustache for years.
Yeah.
Anything to shout out you said?
Yeah.
Yeah, guys, check out Chuck Schumer at Chuck Schumer on Twitter.
Very cool.
And we'll be posting some fun memes there, and that's all.
Yeah.
Okay.
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