Matthew Cox returns with new books and a podcast featuring criminals, while dissecting John McAfee's disputed suicide in Spain amid conspiracy theories linking it to corruption data and QAnon. The discussion critiques YouTube's "shock collar" moderation policies that punish nuance, contrasts deceptive Hollywood option agreements with independent creation, and satirizes monetizing inmates via prison podcasts. Cox also analyzes legal complexities in Bill Cosby's case, the extortion conviction of Michael Avanti, and his own $6 million restitution battle against bankrupt banks, ultimately urging listeners to subscribe to "Inside True Crime." [Automatically generated summary]
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Con Men and Criminals00:05:05
Hello, world.
We're back with everyone's favorite con man, Matthew B. Cox.
On this episode, we talked about the current state of media and the true crime genre specifically.
We talked about John McAfee, Bill Cosby, Donald Trump, you name it.
We covered it.
We were exceptionally fired up on this episode.
Please enjoy this invigorating episode with Matthew B. Cox.
Matthew B. Cox in the flesh back with his new book with the fancy new book cover.
I just got a new Matthew B. Cox is here.
I like that one.
Let me see it.
Everybody says it's better.
This is a sample.
I just got that like yesterday.
Matthew B. Cox is here with new books, new paintings.
And did you get some work undone on the hairline?
No, not recently.
I don't need to, bro.
It's permanent.
Yeah.
So it doesn't fade.
You got a haircut?
No.
It's not like Botox.
You got to get a touch up every now and again.
The hairline is just yeah.
Do it once and there's no maintenance required.
It's definitely graying.
It's graying.
That's all right.
You can be just for men, right?
I'm not doing that.
Everybody says that.
That's what I meant.
Oh, the color?
Yeah.
Oh, dude, just I'm going to go silver.
I'm not doing that.
I am going to the silver fox.
Silver fox.
Instead of the silver fox, you're the silver fox.
Yeah.
I don't understand why.
It's like this moment like this that I think.
Why the fuck am I here?
Why did you just drive an hour?
What are you talking about, Matt?
You know exactly why you drove an hour.
This is your favorite podcast.
Let's see what you're doing.
This is where it started.
Tighten this up.
Thank you for the espresso.
Bro, I love your new podcast.
You're actually, you got a new format on your show.
You're interviewing people just like this.
You got con men coming on there and talking about their stories.
You're interviewing them, and it's great.
I think it fits you perfectly.
Yeah, it's definitely fun.
It's fun.
I mean, just talking on camera.
Yeah, it's way better.
It was very weird watching you do the straight-to-camera shit.
Horrible.
Like Graham Steffen.
Hey guys, this is me.
Today I'm drinking a Starbucks.
It's hard.
I mean, it's hard to do that.
Like, it's hard to.
It's just so stupid.
This is just a conversation.
It just happens to be that I have to wear these things now.
I'm saying it's not a big.
Like, this isn't a big deal.
This is very.
You're having dinner talking to yourself in the camera.
It's ridiculous.
I'm standing in the kitchen or I'm staring at the camera.
It was awkward.
You could tell it was very unnatural for you.
Yeah.
It's tough.
Where are you getting your guests from?
The people you already know or.
Tyler.
Tyler hits people.
And then it's also people I know.
It's people like guys I was locked up with, my buddy Zach.
And then I was locked up with this guy, Juan.
And then a buddy of mine knew this bank robber who dropped like 10 banks and an armored car.
And he was like, bro, you got to interview this guy.
And I've got a bunch of other people.
What happens is all these criminals know other criminals.
Right, of course.
All you have to do is go, hey, do you know anybody that might be a man?
Do you remember so and so?
I know so and so.
Next thing you know, you've got five other people.
And that's what's happening is I'm getting other people lined up to do podcasts.
But it's a problem getting people to come in.
Oh, really?
They don't want to travel, right?
They want you to pay for it.
What if somebody's in three states away?
I can't.
I'm not Danny.
I'm not a big shot.
I can't pay $300 for a plane thing and then $150 for a night at a hotel.
I can't do all that.
That's the struggle, bro.
Do it on Skype.
You know, I don't want to do Skype.
You don't want to do Skype.
Skype is horrible.
Oh, it's not a big deal.
It's the worst.
Some people do only Skype, and it's just so funny.
Fucking weird.
I don't even like it.
I just turn it off if it's on Skype.
Yeah.
Unless it's like a super rare interview where someone can't come here.
Somebody like fucking Snowden.
Sean Atwood.
Sean Atwood.
Oh, yeah.
Snowden's clearly not coming.
Snowden.
I had to risk it for concrete.
For concrete, yeah.
Thought I could sneak in.
That'd be great in a press conference.
Oh, my God.
Could you imagine?
Or McAfee.
McAfee.
McAfee.
How do you say his name?
McAfee.
McAfee.
It's McAfee.
Like McDonald's.
I thought it was McAfee, too.
Yeah, it's McAfee.
McAfee.
I'm pretty sure it's McAfee.
I'll try.
McAfee.
Oh, I had some people correct me.
The guys in the comments will tear you apart.
Did you do a video?
You did like a video, like a deep dive explanation on McAfee and his story, right?
I don't know about deep, but we did have a little bit of a conversation.
My buddy.
What did you find out about him?
What did you do?
What did you talk?
What did you say?
I mean, I watched.
What's the scoop?
I watched like four videos.
And, you know, I'd already.
When I was locked up, I read the article that was in Wired Magazine.
So I already knew who he was, which is pretty cool because a lot of things happen.
And people are like, oh, did you hear about so and so?
And I'm like, man, I have no idea who that person is.
You know, I don't keep up with any of that stuff.
But this, I actually, as soon as they said it, I knew who he was.
And then I watched a couple videos.
McAfee's Dark Past00:16:03
I mean, what did I learn?
The guy's.
My buddy Zach, he's like 100% positive.
Like, oh, he was killed.
He was killed.
There's no way.
He wasn't.
He was killed.
But look, unlike Epstein, you know, I know the Epstein, he was definitely murdered.
Unlike Epstein, like this part, like the McAfee, man, that's bizarre.
This guy is literally saying, look, these people are out to get me.
Right.
They're coming for me.
They've sent me messages.
I'm not going to kill myself.
I'm not suicidal.
I'm.
perfectly, you know, I'm perfectly sane.
I'm not depressed.
I mean, he's saying all these tweets.
He's sending out tweets.
He's sending out messages.
And then as soon as you find out, okay, he's going to be extradited to the United States within hours, he's found hung in his cell.
So what's your take on it?
What do you think happened?
Well, I mean, first of all.
Do you think he killed himself or do you think?
What do you think?
You know, I hate to say that.
I hate to say, oh, he didn't because I don't know.
You don't know.
Right.
No, this is all speculation.
Right.
But I mean, I hate to be, I hate those guys that rush to judgment.
Mm hmm.
And it's like, you know, it reminds me of.
Yeah, but that's what podcasts are about.
They're about being Monday morning quarterbacks.
I know, but I hate that.
They're about slinging your ideas, slinging your opinion.
You know what bothers me?
When I grew up.
Whatever you say is a fact, Matt.
Well, it's not a fact.
But look, you know, okay, when I grew up, you guys probably don't remember this.
This woman sued McDonald's because she spilled her coffee on herself and she won like $5 million or something.
Yeah, whatever.
Because it burned her or whatever.
Right.
Hello?
I'm fucking ill.
I'm doing a podcast right now on concrete.
Oh, no, okay.
All right.
Who is that?
Boziak.
What's up, Boziak?
All right.
Let me give you a call back.
All right.
Bye.
I feel like he calls you every time we're doing a podcast.
Does he?
Did he last time?
Yeah, I think so.
So the woman in McDonald's, this is the reason I feel like this.
The woman in McDonald's, everybody went nuts.
The media went nuts.
They were like, This is ridiculous.
They're giving her all this money.
And they made a snap judgment.
That was the sound bite she drove through the drive-thru, asked for coffee.
She spilled it on herself.
She sued and got $5 million.
Now, I don't know if it was $3.5.
I don't know.
So I'm just saying $5.
And boom.
Isn't that so ridiculous?
How much did she get?
$3.93.
An 80-year-old woman gets $3 million because she suffered punitive damages for the burns.
Right.
So here's the thing.
It was dangerously hot.
It was not just hot, but dangerously hot.
Well, here's the thing.
So you hear that, and that's the media, right?
And you're like, oh, okay.
You're like, that is ridiculous.
Come on, man.
You spilled the coffee.
What's the problem?
Right.
Then you go, okay, how could a jury find that?
Well, because the jury found that because the jury got all the facts.
You didn't.
You don't get that off the news.
You don't know what happened.
What really happened is McDonald's over the last 10 years had been telling McDonald's, you're boiling your coffee and it will cause, you know, whatever, third, fourth, fifth degree burns, you know.
People are complaining it's too hot, and McDonald's is saying, you know, we don't care.
People like it hot.
Is it?
Right.
So here's what happens Is it hot?
It's so hot that the.
Is it fuck?
It's so hot that the shit.
That your cups and everything actually melt.
Right?
So the tops are popping off.
So some woman, they barely put on the top.
They hand it to her.
It drops in her lap.
Yeah.
And she has to have skin grafts to do reconstructive surgery on her vagina.
Oh, fuck.
An 80 year old vagina?
Yeah, which is already going to be hard, right?
To deal with.
What's the point?
No one's looking down there, anyways.
Let it fucking leave the burn scars.
So, anyway.
It's better for the settlement if you get the surgery.
I just got to get the surgery.
That surgery, yeah.
So, now you know that McDonald's has known this is a problem.
They've been told over and over again.
They've completely disregarded it.
This woman gets burned.
Now, what do you do?
Now, does she deserve to win and a good chunk of money?
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and the punitive damages is it's not necessarily, hey, this is your pain and suffering.
What we're saying is.
What is that sound, bro?
God damn.
It's my phone, but.
You guys fucking ignorant.
What is that sound?
That's like some old fucking computer.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you know what?
It's a telegraph sound.
Telegraph.
That's what it is, yeah.
Is that how they communicated with you in prison?
So, sign language.
So, I'm saying now you look at it and you go, hey, if you had to have reconstructive surgery on your dick because McDonald's knew the coffee was too hot and that it was melting the lids, they were negligent.
Right, they were negligent.
Now, do you think you deserve anything?
And then it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay, now I see.
So, you know, from the media, he was found dead.
I don't know, but here's what really freaked me out.
So, I'm on the internet and everything, I'm watching all these videos about him saying, look, if I end up dead, like they find my body, he actually tattoos the whacked.
Yeah.
And he's like, I was whacked.
I was killed.
It wasn't suicide.
I'm not suicidal.
I'm doing fine.
I've got friends here.
I'm good.
So, Then he ends up getting killed and everything on the internet where people are just being able to report it, they're saying, look, this is insane.
This is crazy.
But when I watched ABC News, it was so benign.
It was like McAfee, what a life he lived.
It was very controversial.
He was implicated in a murder in like Aruba or something.
I forget where it was, Belize.
He was implicated in a murder.
He evaded taxes.
He was found.
He was indicted for tax evasion.
He was looking.
possibly going to spend the next 30 years in prison for tax evasion.
He was caught in Spain and they were going to extradite him.
And this is what he tweeted just before his body was found.
And the tweet was like, I have no more Bitcoin.
I have no more money.
Something like, I love my family.
I am at peace.
His body was found a week later, hours after he was killed.
And I'm thinking to myself, are you serious?
Did you guys just read, is that the U.S. press release?
You just read?
I mean, if you'd even looked on YouTube or anything else and looked at all this other stuff, you're not even going to mention that he said he wasn't suicidal.
He would never kill himself.
You're not even going to mention that?
Right.
They don't.
They completely went with the party line.
Right.
But we all know all that corporatized media ABC, NBC, Fox.
We all know that's owned by the government.
They're all embedded with the government.
They're not going to go against the government.
It's not normally obvious like that.
Like, it's not that.
Like, it was so, like, you're literally.
It was insane.
But that's the complete opposite on the internet, though.
Everybody on the fucking internet is saying, oh my God, it's another Epstein.
The guy obviously didn't kill himself.
If you have a brain and you've no, you could look up his Twitter account, you could see all his tweets, see his tattoos, see all that shit.
Everyone was saying that, like, there's no way this guy actually killed himself.
Right.
I don't even know how you, here's the problem.
Here's what my problem is I don't even know how you'd kill yourself in a cell like that.
It's like, like, it's, it's, but he wasn't really in a cell, was he?
He was like, he was live streaming on the internet every day.
He was, he was tweeting and, and do, no, he was still, he was doing all the podcasts.
Not from, yeah, bro.
He had access to like a podcast studio.
There was a podcast he did like a month before that.
I think there's video of him.
He's on Twitter every fucking five minutes.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not sure how that, like, to me, I think it's very possible that he obviously had access to some kind of computer and he's tweeting or maybe a phone.
I don't know.
Look, Spanish prisons are not, at the level he was at, they're not, these are not harsh places.
You know what I mean?
These are not harsh prisons.
Right.
And they always make it sound like he's going to do 30 years.
You know, he's 75 years old.
He's going to do 30 years in prison.
What do you mean he's going to use it?
The history.
He's probably going to do three or four years in prison, maybe five years in prison.
No, if he goes to the U.S. and he's extradited the U.S., he's doing third.
Easily, third.
Just for tax evasion?
They'll be fucking crucified.
Nail you to the cross, bro.
No, you do a couple years.
Okay, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
You do it for that much?
You'll do a few years.
He just, I mean, this isn't just tax evasion.
This guy says straight up, fuck you, I'm not paying tax.
I understand, but here's the difference.
They'll say, let's say they say $20 million in tax evasion.
Do you understand they're saying you didn't pay taxes on $20 million?
Okay, so what do I owe you?
Six?
Okay, well, we'll make a deal.
I'll pay you the six.
I'll do five years in prison.
I'm out in three because I can take the drug program.
I'm probably two and a half.
I'm probably in a halfway house.
I do two and a half years.
They're going to include the time that he spent while incarcerated already while he was incarcerated in Spain.
So by the time you get here, you're looking at a year and a half to two years and you're out and I pay the six million.
So he's not doing anything.
Look, they said I was facing 154 years.
I was never facing 100.
Yeah, if I went to trial.
And they stacked it.
Right.
So the maximum.
Is it possible?
I mean, yeah.
See if you can pull up any sort of like recent tax evasion case, like federal tax evasion prison sentence from anybody.
Because I've never been in prison and met people with tax evasion.
We need the internet.
So, okay.
The history of John McAfee is throughout the 80s and 90s, right?
He was living large.
At some point, I think it was in the 90s, he sold his part of McAfee antivirus to Microsoft.
He got $100 million.
Right.
When he should have got.
Billions and years later, it was worth a ton more.
Yeah, right, right.
And he was a nut.
He was a nut.
His dad committed suicide.
His dad was an alcoholic.
He was obviously boozing, doing tons of coke.
He was doing all kinds of drugs.
The guy was by no means sane.
I don't think you can call him sane.
Have you watched any of his interviews?
No, no, he's absolutely nutty.
He's absolutely nutty.
So, all kinds of drugs.
And a lot of people say he's a fucking egomaniac on top of it.
Yeah, yeah, he's definitely narcissistic.
So, if you're him and it's and that's the ending, 2000 narcissists don't kill themselves.
I'm never, I'm not killing myself.
There's no way.
I'm taking out everybody else I can.
Right, right.
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
I mean, this is hardly ever happening.
Sorry, but go ahead.
So I'm saying the guy's, he's obviously a fucking egomaniac, and he had a problem with drugs, a big problem with drugs and alcohol, and he was a little fucking loopy, more than a little loopy, just judging by his Twitter.
So if I'm John McAfee and I am depressed and I am considering suicide, why not just fuck with everybody?
Three and a half years?
Three to five years.
That's it?
Three and a half?
Three to five.
Okay, I thought it would be way worse.
I thought they'd try to make an example out of you and try to pin you to 20 years or something.
Well, I mean, if you go to trial, can you get 30 years?
Yeah, you can.
Right.
Nobody takes that trial.
Nobody's going.
Look, if you're just blatantly guilty.
Right.
Especially when your other's just saying, I'm not paying fucking taxes.
You have no trial case.
Yeah, okay.
All right, all right.
But he did some other scammy shit.
He pulled some Bitcoin scams.
He did some Bitcoin pump and dumps where he tried to pump the price of Bitcoin on social media.
I don't think that's not.
I think he was indicted for tax evasion, though.
It was only tax evasion.
Like they may have superseded.
Jim Jones said he was a spy.
Alex Jones said that he was a spy for a bunch of other countries and doing all kinds of crazy shit.
Anyways, what I was getting to about his personality and his kookiness and his drug abuse and shit like that.
If I'm him and I do want to kill myself, why not fucking go crazy and try to fuck with the internet and just make some sort of crazy legacy for myself and say, hmm, if I do want to kill myself, maybe I'll fucking tattoo on myself whacked and make the whole world think when I go out that I got whacked by the feds.
I mean, yes.
Why not just try to troll people and make some sort of legacy out of it?
You know what I mean?
Why try to fuck with people?
Because do the Fed, like, how much do they give a fuck about John McAfee?
I don't know.
How much do they really give a fuck?
A guy who committed tax evasion and did some Bitcoin pump and dumps?
Maybe he's got some info.
I mean, I mean, he, yeah, that was the other thing he said.
He had all this, was it three terabytes or something, whatever, megabytes or whatever those are.
He had some info.
He had info on corruption.
And so what?
First of all, that part didn't even, like, phase me.
It's like, oh.
Come on, stop.
Yeah, there's this thing called a.
Like he's Raymond Reddington from the Blacklist.
Like I'm going to expose the cabal.
What's the term?
There's a term for people who.
It's like a.
I forget what the fucking word is.
But it's basically like a term for when a suicide bomber comes in and someone shoots you, you let go of the trigger and everyone gets killed.
Oh, it's a dead man switch.
A dead man switch.
Yes.
A dead man switch.
So that's like what he kind of had was a dead man switch.
So if he got a bullet, if he got killed.
The switch would go off and all of the info, all the shit that he would have, and everyone would get released, right?
Where is it?
Right, exactly.
That's what they say about Epstein, too.
Like, why wouldn't he have a dead man switch?
Because he didn't have anything and he killed himself.
Epstein, I can see.
I think he killed himself.
No, Epstein?
You don't think Epstein had anything?
Come on.
Where is it?
I think he killed himself.
Epstein, I just can't imagine that you could get into a federal.
Like, a lot of guys are like this.
Look, so I've, like, Zach was telling, we were arguing, and it was the argument was he was saying, Well, why not just wait till he gets back here, right?
And kill him back here because it's easier to get to him in a Spanish prison.
And then there's an investigation in a Spanish prison.
And how much do they give a crap about some American that died in a Spanish prison?
You get him back here.
How are you going to get into the marshal's holdover?
It's difficult.
These things are inside of pens, and it's difficult.
What does it say?
John McAfee tweeted before his death that he stored computer files in a Florida condo building that later collapsed.
What?
I've heard this one.
Is that real?
I think this is false news because.
It's on PolitiFact.
That means it's a fact.
The name of this website has the word fact in it.
It doesn't mean it's a fact.
Yeah, it's clearly true.
It's undisputable.
Doesn't mean that.
Conspiracy theories escalated quickly around the death of technology entrepreneur John McAfee in a Barcelona prison where he was waiting extradition to the U.S. on tax evasion charges.
Spain's El Pais newspaper reported that McAfee, who developed the first commercial antivirus software, blah, Keep going.
Keep going.
Oh, QAnon.
He posted a.
Scroll up a little bit.
See the QAnon.
A June 25th Instagram post appeared to link McAfee's death to June 23 with another major news event, the collapse of a condominium building near Miami the next day.
What?
The next day?
Huh.
Yeah, so did you see the thing at the top look great stop stop stop see where it says QAnon mm-hmm Right but rumors linked to the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory Whose followers believe what Democrat Democrat celebrities were involved in an underground child trafficking race.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Cover it by QAnon often I don't know you know what the collapse of the building reminds me so it's a QAnon theory that he hid the hid the files in that building.
Oklahoma City Conspiracy00:14:18
Yeah, listen, listen, okay, so when I was locked up in in in Was that in the medium?
Did I work there?
Yeah, I was in the medium.
When I was in the medium at Coleman, so I worked with this guy every day for a year.
Talked to him at least, you know, five minutes here, you know, like any worker.
I worked in the library at one point.
So I taught real estate classes.
I worked in the library.
And then at another point, I taught GED.
But for like a year or so, I worked in the library.
So I see this guy all the time.
He's like the head librarian.
Nice guy.
We're always talking.
We talk a little about this, a little bit about that, politics, what's going on.
Because at that time, I would watch the news and everything.
Totally normal guy.
Everything was super normal.
Talked about movies, everything.
Guy's normal.
One day, I happened to say, so you're still working on your case?
He's like, he looked at me and he goes, yeah.
Yeah, but after Oklahoma City, I just don't know.
I don't know what I'm going to be able to do.
I mean, I can't get the evidence destroyed.
And I went, Oklahoma City.
And he looked at me and he goes, Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, the Oklahoma City veterans.
Yes, of course.
And I went, what does that have to do with your case?
Like this guy knew this guy had been locked up like 20 years, way before Oklahoma City.
And he said, the FBI was storing the evidence in my trial at the field office in Oklahoma City.
And I said, I thought you were prosecuted out of Orlando.
And he's like, I was.
But that's where they were storing the files.
By the way, that's absolutely not true.
That's not where your files are stored.
Yeah.
Okay.
There is no storage in a field office in Oklahoma City.
All right.
They're stored at the U.S. Attorney's Office.
Or at the FBI at the field office where you're being prosecuted out of, which he wasn't.
You ever been to Oklahoma City?
No.
Why were they stored there?
Exactly.
Exactly.
So he goes, they bombed the FBI field office and took the building down to destroy my evidence.
His evidence.
His evidence.
So they killed like 30 some odd kids, a bunch of FBI agents, a whole bunch of other people working in the building.
They framed Timothy McVeigh all to destroy your evidence to keep you in prison because you got 30 years, you've already done.
20 of it, and you got five left.
This guy always seemed normal for a year.
Well, how do you know?
Maybe his files were stored there.
How do you know they weren't?
Insane.
They are not.
You just said he was normal up to the point he said this one thing.
Right.
He had this look, you could talk to Frank Amadeo and have a great conversation with him until and just happen.
You could do it for a year, and then one day you happen upon something, and he starts telling you about how he's going to take over the world.
Some of these guys have these little, tiny, little, it's this little dark, dark room.
Somewhere in their head, and one day you're opening up doors, and you open that one door, and you find out the guy's insane.
That's fucking nuts.
He had that one little crate.
That's the QAnon guys.
But isn't there a conspiracy?
There is an FBI.
I don't know anything about it, but there is a conspiracy about the Oklahoma City bombing.
Right, except for the fact that when they talked to Timothy McVeigh, he laid out exactly what he did.
He didn't say, I was hired.
I was framed.
He was saying, he's like, yeah, this is what I did.
I was a yeah, because they fucking brainwashed him with MKUltra.
Okay, let's move on.
They brainwashed him with MKUltra.
That's insane.
What are you doing?
They fucking brainwashed his ass using LEDs.
He's part of QAnon.
Oh my God.
Listen, half the guys on YouTube.
Look, I'm spitting facts.
You can quote me.
You can fact check everything I say.
I told you about that.
I would tell you about the one guy that told me this was after Trump had lost.
He was about to step down.
And this guy sent me an email saying, look, I have evidence of government corruption and this and this and this.
And so these guys will say this kind of stuff.
And if they're persistent enough and they.
You know, they sound credible.
This guy seemed kind of credible.
Like, it's worth a phone call.
I was like, all right, here's my cell number.
Shoot me an email or I'll talk to you at this time.
I talked to him.
He was telling me about how Trump was working.
Was it working with the military?
I forget who he was.
Oh, and China.
And that they were about to bomb.
No, China was going to bomb some facility that was under like Mount Rushmore and they were going to collapse the entire.
Our entire economy, and we were doing that.
And he's like, Trump's been working with him the whole time.
And he goes on and on and on.
And I'm listening to him.
I mean, he's just nuts.
And I'm listening to him.
And I went, Bro, you do understand that after tomorrow, Trump's no longer president.
He's like, That's what they want you to believe, bro.
Oh, he's going to, when this happens, oh, no, he's still president.
He's going to be president.
Nah, bro, I'm pretty sure that he just, the guy was, and honestly, like, I didn't, at now, when these guys call like, when they say crazy in the comment section, now i'm like, email me bro, we got to get you on the podcast.
Yeah yeah, like I need to talk to you, this crazy.
You're like, right right bro, this podcast has turned me into a conspiracy theorist.
Oh i'm, i'll bet the I get on here are wigging my, are changing the way my brain works, so convincing.
And you know you can manipulate facts.
You can tweak it here and tweak it here to shift it one way or the other.
The media does it all the time, but you get somebody who's really good.
You can Man, you can really twist up some stories.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I kind of miss Trump now that he's not in office.
He was great entertainment.
He was fucking phenomenal entertainment.
He was great for media, great for the internet.
There was a headline every single fucking day about him.
Oh, now it's just like, I miss him.
I truly miss him.
Listen, it's sad watching Biden.
It really is.
Like, I feel bad.
Like, I'm like, it's pathetic.
God, I hope there's no major decisions that have to be made.
Like, this is bad.
It's fucking pathetic, bro.
Just watching, did you watch his coronavirus speech the other day?
I can't watch everybody.
I'm begging you get vaccinated and now they're saying they're gonna come to your doors and vaccinate you They're gonna go door to door like the fucking consensus thing.
Have you been vaccinated?
No, no, he ain't getting vaxxed me neither neither neither none of us are getting back I'm not doing it They're not implementing they're not implanting those chips in me.
Yeah Hulk Hogan told me all I need to do is say my prayers and take my vitamins.
So that's what I'm doing.
Was it Hulk Hogan or Joe Rogan?
I don't know.
I think it was Hulk Hogan Same thing good time I love your Trump.
Do you think he's gonna be president in 2024?
Listen, would that be hilarious?
I would love it.
I wish I really nobody's ever done that before.
I know, right?
Are you sure?
No, I don't think ever anybody's ever been in a term, left for a term, and then come back for another term.
No, I don't think anybody's ever been in a term.
has either.
Yeah, we have to look at that.
Somebody smarter than us.
I'm pretty sure that's true.
Yeah, yeah, the Trump's good.
Did you see Tucker Carlson?
I already sold one of the Trump's.
Did you really?
I had three.
Go get it.
Show it to us.
Let me see what that fucker looks like.
Well, the one that sold is sold.
Well, you got two right there.
I know.
Okay.
You wanted me to walk off with the headphones on and snap back.
Yeah, Austin will get it.
Oh, no, Austin changing the battery.
He can get the Trump first.
You were that's what you were playing and that was the plan.
That's like when someone's holding holding a glass.
Look at that beauty grab it Yeah, ah Yeah, hold it.
You got to hold on that side of you.
What side?
Basically where your head was before.
There you go boom Trump 2024 are you selling this shit on your website?
No You have to email me or go to my website and get my email website.
No, you can go to No, no, go to my YouTube channel.
My YouTube channel.
There you go.
I got to plug the YouTube channel.
It told me it would be put out of me.
What out of me?
Inside True Crime, Matt Cox?
Yeah, it's just Matt Cox or Inside True Crime.
It'll show up.
So explain to me, what was your process in creating this picture?
Nice.
You get to do the process.
Explain to me your creative process for this.
I used the Presidential.
It looks like it was printed on a fucking printer.
No, no.
It's a screen print.
Then I go back and I paint over the screen print.
Then I screen print it again to get the little dots.
Because I like the little dots.
What's the word?
What's the term for that?
The little dots?
Like little dots.
I don't know.
Isn't there an artistic term?
Don't you have a fine arts degree?
It's just mean.
I mean, I don't know.
What is it?
It was pointillism, but it's not pointillism.
Pointillism.
Okay.
There you go.
Pointillism.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, it's basically this is it's called a modified screen print.
It's where you're using, you know, it's like I love how you did the sides too.
The side, how you painted the sides.
I always paint the sides.
That's fucking dope.
I even threw a star in there.
Ooh.
Wrapped the star.
His mom or grandma would pay top dollar for that thing right there.
So would my dad probably would love it too.
People love Trump.
People do love Trump.
You know what I was thinking about doing?
He's fun.
He was fun.
That one's cool too.
I like that one.
It's kind of like a burgundy background.
Merlot.
Merlot, yeah, Merlot.
The Marilyn Monroe's sell.
I've already got three Marilyn Monroe.
I did like five Marilyn Monroe's.
Three of them are sold already.
Would you do a Charles Manson?
I could do a Charles Manson.
Then you would have the Manson and the Marilyn and the Manson.
It's just so corny.
And we could send them to Marilyn Manson.
You're going to make a great dad.
You always tell us the dad jokes, right?
They're corny dad jokes.
Oh, my gosh.
So you're selling these things on your website or on your website?
They just got to email you and you just email me.
How much?
What do they go for?
$285, and I mail them to you for that.
Oh, really?
That includes shipping.
Free I mean, if somebody wants to they're already signed, MCOX.
Yeah, I sign them.
If somebody said, hey, can you sign the back or something, whatever.
I don't care.
I even got special boxes that fit them perfectly.
I mean, it's nice.
I got it down.
And the Bubblegum Girl one, like, I've sold a bunch of those.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rob Zombie one.
And then I've started selling the Screamer.
Yeah.
The way the guy's screaming.
Yeah.
I love the one.
What about the special one?
The really special one.
Oh, my God.
All right, so I do get guys, and this is it is it is weird.
It's really gay.
I knew he's gonna say he's gonna go with it.
Listen, guys ask me all the time, bro, I want a portrait.
I'm like, of who?
And they're like, of you.
And I'm like, I don't know.
You know, I haven't done one.
I think you know what I'll do.
I'll just do a screen print.
I'll screen print them and then I can paint them in and do whatever and I'll throw some sharks in there and then that'll be it.
I can knock those out and I'll sell them for the same thing.
What are you doing?
Why are you laughing?
Because it's just funny.
What was I supposed to say?
So you say, I want a portrait and this is what you come up with.
This is what I came up with and Danny hates it.
Let's see it.
I don't hate it.
We don't care about Danny.
I think it's fucking beautiful.
No, I think it's fucking beautiful.
You do not.
I think it's hilarious.
It is fucking comical.
Awesome.
Scottish.
But it's great.
I love it.
I'm not hating on it.
It is just.
It's interesting.
It's interesting.
So this is Matt's self-portrait.
Yeah.
Oh, my.
What do you call that look you're doing right there?
What's that face?
That's me messing with my iPhone camera.
That was it.
That's like, hey, what's up, baby?
Do not make that face in prison.
All right, come on, man.
What's going on?
How much is that one?
How did you take that photo?
It was my iPhone.
I put it on a stand and I was taking pictures.
And that was one of the, I took a bunch of pictures and I looked at that one.
I said, I like that one.
I sent it to a couple of people and they were like, yeah, that's good.
I mean, I'm trying to, I don't know.
You sent a couple of those out?
No, no, just the photo.
Oh, I got you.
I got you.
And that was it.
How much is that one going for?
That's at least $500.
That's $285.
No way.
That was double.
That's $499 free shipping all day.
Anyway, I guess I should have sent it to Danny first.
Yeah, you sent it to me a while ago.
You were going to make it an NFT.
Yeah, yeah.
We're going to make it an NFT.
Fucking NFT.
I can't get enough of that painting.
I want to put that on my wall.
I could see that in your house.
We need to do a concrete one of these for concrete.
I could knock it out over and over.
And I asked Danny about that.
I said, Yeah, Danny, I'll do you.
No, I don't want to be on it.
You can do one for me.
Just do some K's in the background.
I'm going to put your K's.
Who are you going to put on it if not you?
Just do like a K pattern.
Put you with the microphone.
No, that's gay.
I don't want that.
Why is everything gay?
I don't know.
Listen, there's probably a large percentage of your viewers that are gay.
You're probably upsetting them right now.
That's fine.
I'm going to get canceled my podcast.
I'm going to get shadow banned because I said the word gay.
What is shadow banned?
Is that a real thing?
Yeah.
I got shadow banned last week on an episode on YouTube.
What does that mean?
It means they take your shit off search.
If you search for it, it doesn't propagate at all in search.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Basically, nobody sees it anywhere.
Just saying shadow ban probably just got you shadow ran.
Well, there are already.
Okay, so if this doesn't do well, it's not my fault.
Yeah, it sucks.
It happened to me.
I forget what episode.
What was it on?
I did an episode a week ago.
What was it on?
Was the guy that FBI started?
No, it was the guy.
It was Tom O'Neill.
He wrote a book about Charles Manson.
He spent 20 years investigating the Manson murders and basically found all these holes in the incident.
Why would that be shadow ban?
So the title, I think I went a little too crazy with the title.
Redo the title.
Well, I didn't have to.
I tweeted at YouTube and I asked YouTube, I said, hey, what's the deal?
Why is this episode.
Not appearing anywhere on search?
You could search for the literal exact title of the episode and it doesn't appear on search.
Like it's impossible to find it unless you actually go to the channel.
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You know, go under videos, you'll see it there.
And they said oh, it probably got flagged in our system, which means it's invisible on search.
And then the next morning it was back up, it was visible.
So it's a thing they do.
I mean, it's basically, it's a real thing.
It's a real thing yeah, so the title of the video was something like, uh, the Cia's secret program To brainwash people with, or how the CIA brainwashed Charles Manson with LSD.
Basically, it was something like that.
And I guess that triggered their system.
Too much.
They took it off search.
But that's crazy, isn't it?
It's fucking crazy that they do that.
That they have something that will literally take your shit and make it invisible to people.
That's not crazy to me.
No?
No.
Why?
Why wouldn't they do that?
They own the fucking platform.
Do whatever they want.
They have people they've got to protect.
Here's the problem.
Yeah, the CIA.
Yeah, probably.
You think the CIA doesn't use YouTube's information for fucking intel and stuff?
I'm sure they're somebody.
I think they 100% can use YouTube's information, but that.
Goes against fucking whatever amendment the free speech amendment is.
Well, that's what I was just going to say is like a lot of people would argue, hey, well, it's a private company, they can do whatever they want.
But when you become so large that you kind of become a part of like the social fabric, then you get to that point where you go, okay, well, wait a minute, you're a monopoly now.
So people don't really have an alternative that's as widely used.
I mean, this is a massive, massive platform.
Like nobody else is there.
You can say, oh, yeah, you can use Reddit.
No, but.
You can use, no, you can't.
Nothing's like YouTube.
It's massive.
So at that point, you kind of have to start abiding by, like, the Constitution.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, it's like a new Constitution.
No, no, no.
See, you're saying what they're saying is, no, it's ours.
We own it.
No, no, no.
You know, you have to start abiding by, you know, like the Constitution at that point.
There comes a point when you're so large that you're like a town square.
Right.
You're a monopoly.
You can't, because now you can actually start swaying things.
You can start censoring things.
Are you going to make that real?
Do you have to do that?
I mean, you do.
I think.
You get to that point.
It's kind of like a.
Well, there's no law saying that.
No.
Well, yeah, that's what I mean.
They are monopoly.
I mean, yes and no.
Look at Microsoft.
Back in the 80s, when Microsoft came out, they started saying, hey, listen, oh, you're a small software store that sells software.
Great.
Yeah, we want to sell your Windows.
Okay, here.
Here's our Windows.
So you can sell our Windows, but we also need a percentage of everything else your store is selling.
What?
Yeah.
So here's the problem is that they were doing that.
Well, that becomes illegal because you become basically, it's almost like racketeering.
And their whole thing was, well, they don't have to sell our product.
Yeah, but if they don't, they go under.
Right.
Because it's the main product that's being sold out there everywhere.
So you're basically saying you can go under or you can give me a portion of your business.
And people are doing it while they launch this massive investigation.
That's back when they were talking about breaking up Microsoft.
Like this thing is too big.
We're going to have to break it apart.
And, you know, they fought it and they obviously didn't, but then they stopped doing that also.
They said, okay, we'll stop this practice and this practice and this practice.
It's really scary.
It's really scary, especially if you're on your own, you're independent, somebody who's creating your own stuff.
And this is how you pay your bills.
This is how you make a living off of making these videos and posting shit on YouTube.
Right.
Because you have to literally, you're constantly worried about these boundaries that you have to stay within.
Like there's guys, there's YouTube channels where the guys like specifically talk about guns and firearms and like the Second Amendment and all this stuff.
And they can just take it away.
Well, these guys have tons of followers, tons of subscribers, but they're demonetized.
So YouTube can choose the type of content to make it unprofitable.
Like they can literally choose to make certain topics unprofitable for people to talk about, which takes away their incentive to talk about these sort of things on their platform, which is crazy, which influences the culture of everything.
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that.
I mean, look, that's the Spider Man quote with great power comes great responsibility.
You don't remember that spot?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So I think that's true.
You know, I think that's true.
Mm hmm.
You know, I mean, imagine being fucking Trump, bro.
Fucking kicked off Twitter, kicked off YouTube, Facebook, everything.
Yeah.
What else are we talking about?
Wait.
Oh, wait.
Oh, I was going to say.
No, it's fucking.
I mean, it's.
We're not going to solve it.
It's fucking incredibly scary, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You have to stay very kind of vanilla.
And you can't.
And the other thing is, those people, they're not going to talk to you.
Like, they're not going to.
You think that you can just send them an email or make a phone call and say, hey, can we work on this?
Can we work something out?
Let's, you know, I'll promise to behave from now on and follow your rules.
No, they don't.
You're done.
They could suspend you for.
Whatever the fuck they please, if they don't like what you're talking about, or if they think that it could be even by accident that you get flagged for something, or like a troll flags your video for something that they don't like.
Yeah.
Boziak got a video taken down or demonetized, or was it taken down?
Because in the process of it, he talked about how he got an upper respiratory infection from wearing masks.
And he went to the doctor, and the doctor was like, Well, how often, how many masks do you have?
He's like, I don't know, one or two.
He's like, Do you how often do you wash them?
He's like, I don't know, barely ever.
He's like, How long have you worn that one?
He's like, I've worn this one for like a week.
He's like, They were like, That's a problem.
We're getting more and more of these infections.
So during the conversation talking about the infection, he's like, I'm sick of these masks.
I'm sick of them.
Boom.
What happened to it?
The video?
Yeah.
I don't know if it got, oh, yeah, it got taken down.
They took, no, was it, it was a strike, whatever.
It was a strike.
They took a strike on his channel for saying that he's sick of the masks.
Yeah, yeah, it was a strike.
It wasn't like a copyright strike.
Right.
It was some other kind of strike.
And I said, Did you fight it?
Did you?
Because if they watched the video, it's like, No, man, I don't know what to do.
Like, what am I supposed to do?
He's like, It doesn't matter.
It was a five minute video.
You know, he's like, I don't care.
It's fine.
But yeah, it was just because he happened in the course of it, just said this.
And he was really only saying that he was just, you know, up.
He's tired.
He's frustrated.
He's just frustrated.
He's not saying, He's not telling people not to do it right.
But they struck it immediately.
Yeah, it's crazy.
They do that to a lot of people.
They do it to legitimate doctors that go on YouTube and talk about. their studies on the coronavirus or they talk about their patients who have had COVID and what they think the science or what their opinion is or what their research says about the science or whatever.
And if it goes against like an official, the official narrative, YouTube, it's done.
So there's no, there's no area for conversation about it.
There's no area.
There's no room for nuance in anything.
As long as if it's against the official narrative, YouTube will strike you and demonetize you and ruin your ability to profit off of.
Whatever you're talking about or even ban you from YouTube little correction.
It's just a little correction Like having a shock collar on.
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Yeah, it's crazy little Don't go out of the yard mm-hmm.
Yeah, exactly Don't go out you want to get zapped up Jess said to say hi.
She said say hi to Danny and hat rack is what she said.
Hey Jess.
What's up?
I Can't show you because she sent me kind of a let's see it naughty picture.
Yeah Hey Danny, hey Hat Rack.
So, all right.
So Jess is back?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
She's back for now.
We know.
Who knows?
Who knows how long?
That chick drains me.
What did you say?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, but that was.
They're back and forth.
Listen, I saw her the two weeks after, or two or three weeks after we broke up.
I saw her more than I did for the three months prior to that.
When you're together?
And listen, furious when she.
When something happened, and I was like, Yeah, well, you know, and she goes, Look, I understand you're going to be dating, but, and I was like, Well, I mean, I've already been on, I've already been on a couple dates.
And she was like, A couple dates.
She goes, It's been a week.
And I was like, it's been like a month.
And she's like, Are you?
I mean, she just went nuts.
And at that point, I triggered it.
Spending the night that night and the next night.
Oh, yeah.
She wants to make sure you're not going on no more fucking dates.
What's going on?
I mean, you knew this was going to happen.
I mean, you couldn't wait a little bit.
I'm like, What are you doing?
There's no grace period.
Yeah.
I mean, we break up on Monday.
I'm on a couple days.
I'm on Tinder on Tuesday.
On Tuesday, I'm hoping I'm lining shit up for Thursday and Friday.
Don't get crazy.
That must be a lot of work having to go on Tinder and go on those dating sites to try to find bitches, try to find pussy on there.
It's a lot quicker than going to a bar.
Yeah.
You don't like going to bars, right?
Heck no.
Everybody's his height, your height.
No, I can't deal with guys five foot ten.
It's ridiculous.
I'm at a huge disadvantage.
Huge.
I can't deal with that.
No.
You just go on Tinder, let them know right off the rip, five, two.
Yes, exactly.
Nice, five, two.
I caught that.
Immediately, any of the ones that are like, oh, it's got to be.
It's got to be 5'8 or taller.
Done, done.
Left, left, left.
What is your height on Tinder?
What did you put your height up?
5'7 with a good pair of shoes.
That's what you said.
Does it really say with a good bios?
I think I do say 5'7.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
But does it say with a good pair of shoes?
No, you can't put that in.
I just say 5'7.
But now you're disappointing in that.
And the thing, listen, if they're going to end up with me, they're going to be disappointed at some point.
At some point, I'm telling you, I'm not 6'2.
You know, just working with what I got.
That's it.
You know, so.
I make up for it with, you know, enthusiasm.
Yeah.
Your personality makes up for the height difference, Matt.
You have a great personality.
My boyfriend may be 5'3", but he's got a great personality.
That's not mean.
You're very charismatic.
People love you, Matt.
Oh, there.
I was going to say.
Yeah, I'm like, Tom, negotiating with these guys for a podcast, to do a podcast, a true crime podcast.
You already have a true crime podcast.
No, no, like one that's like heavily, you know, produced, like one that's on, you know, like Wandery or, you know, those.
Oh, like a serial type podcast.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Music and suspense.
Of course.
And interviews.
But, you know, it's just like.
Right, right, right.
Who are you negotiating with?
Big Tech?
No, no.
It's a little bit everywhere productions.
They're out of LA.
And I've been talking to these, talking to the guys, and they're super cool.
There's this guy, Dan, and we.
So did you sign a shopping agreement?
No, we haven't done any.
We've just been going back and forth with their lawyers right now.
Bro, you know how many motherfuckers I've talked to in the past month who tell me about shopping agreements they're in?
Oh, yeah, I got a shopping agreement.
That means nothing.
Like, I got a shopping agreement.
Yeah, I'm going to quit my job next week.
I got a shopping agreement.
I'm going to be on Netflix doing it.
Don't quit your job, bud.
My literary agent called me, sent me an email, and then we talked on the phone.
Was it yesterday?
I think it was yesterday.
And he was like, look, I've got these guys.
They produce this.
They produce that.
They want to they want to option the rights to your story.
And I was like, wait, my personal story?
And they're like, yeah, your personal story.
They're this.
They've got a Netflix thing and Netflix.
And I'm like, uh huh, uh huh, uh huh, uh huh.
And I could tell he was like, I didn't, could tell I wasn't all excited about it because I've been through it over and over.
It's like, I talk to maybe three or four of these people a month, and it's always the same thing.
We're ready to go, we have a production company.
We've got a deal with these people and these people.
We're going to, these people are in with this.
We have a first look deal with Sony.
We've got a first look deal with the so and so.
We've produced this.
You can look at my IBM or IMB or whatever the hell that thing is.
You know, you can look at IMDB.
IMDb.
And you're right.
It does look pretty good, by the way.
Anybody can put one of those up.
But yeah, it looks good.
They tell how they're connected with all these different things.
And it's huge and it's massive.
And we're ready to go.
I wouldn't be shocked if we weren't in production within 90 days.
We've got a meeting scheduled next week.
We're ready to go.
We just need to go ahead and sign the option.
And we'll go ahead and get going.
And yeah, I noticed your option says 18 months with an extra six months automatic extension if you need it.
Right, right.
Yeah, that's standard.
Actually, it.
Really, not standard.
And, well, I mean, obviously we need that.
Why do you need that?
You have a meeting next week.
You would be shocked if we weren't in production in 90 days.
Why am I signing an 18 month agreement?
Well, that's just the standard.
It's not standard.
Stop saying it's standard.
There's no standard.
That's not standard.
But they are all.
It's always 18 months with an extra three months or 18 months with an extra nine months, 18 months with six months.
It's always they're trying to get 18 months.
But what they really do is this you sign one, you sign one, you sign.
You've got a true crime story about fraud, you've got one about murder.
This guy's.
Had some crappy novel that came out, but it's an interesting kind of story.
And so we've got an option agreement with him for 18 months.
And they put them all on the shelf.
And then when they get the Netflix meeting, they go in and they pitch, hey, we're going to say, this, this, this.
Right.
Well, they can say, we're pitching Shark in the Housing Pool.
And they're like, man, that's amazing.
What else do you have?
Well, we also have this.
So you're one of a bunch of people that they've got, but they're not really pushing just you.
They make it sound like it's a movie about you.
Are you talking about it?
They're already talking to cast members.
Right.
They're not sure who's going to play you.
Is it going to be so and so or so and so?
Our whole team is ready to go, but I need 18 months.
You know, we're talking about a $40 million movie here.
Really?
Yeah.
But you can't give me $20,000 for my option?
Yeah.
They like to sell you this pipe dream, like that you're going to get some crazy deal and you're something special.
But in reality, it's not.
It's really just like the biggest scam.
Brokers.
They're all just brokers.
They're hoping to get you locked in so they can sell it.
You notice it's like flipping contracts for real estate.
Yeah.
Exactly what it is.
Sign them up for 90 days and then run around and try and sell the property so you can make the difference.
And that's all they're doing.
But it's like, you know, look, you don't con me.
This is not how this works.
Okay.
You don't screw me over.
I screw you over.
That's how this works.
Like, what are you doing?
What are you thinking?
It's not going to happen.
And so it's so funny because I have signed a few options, but they've always been like 60 days or sorry, like 90 days or six months.
Yeah.
You can negotiate.
Right.
And then they're always cutouts.
So I do this cutout and that cutout.
By the time it's all the way down, it's like, look, you've got.
Like, you have six months to get me a deal to be the host of a show that talks about true crime.
Anything else is off the table.
And they're just like, well, what if we wait a minute?
If you come in there, some slight alteration, obviously we'll discuss it at that time.
I mean, I'm not stupid.
What if we get to the end of the six months?
So you're telling me you're negotiating a multi million deal, and at the end of the six months, I go, oh, you're hit.
Come on, man.
I'm not going to do that.
I mean, obviously you're in the negotiations.
What am I going to say?
Stop talking to him, talk to me now.
Come on, it's unprofessional.
Obviously, I'm going to give you an extension.
You know, you have to trust me.
Yeah, those motherfuckers are greedy, bro.
They want to lock you up.
Absolutely.
And this is the thing, too.
They keep saying, well, you're going to have to trust me.
No, no.
You're going to have to trust me.
Like, if you want me to trust you to represent me, you're going to have to trust that I'll give you the extension.
And you're going to have to trust that, you know, in 18 months is too much.
Like, stop.
You know, most people get so excited, they just signed.
And then three months later, they're calling and the guy's not responding to their calls.
Maybe.
16 months later, they call you up and go, Look, we pitched your story the other day, and you're going, Who is this?
Yeah.
You know, oh, remember you saw in the deal?
Yeah, bro, I've left like 16, 20 messages.
Oh, I've been real busy for a year?
You know, it's just ridiculous, man.
I mean, you know, they're such scumbags.
It's such a joke, man.
They're so fucking slimy and they're so fucking, they're all liars and they're all.
Remember the first time we went?
We went to like the first night I did concrete and we went to Waffle House.
Oh, shit.
Listen, after listening to him for a 30 minute.
Hates Hollywood.
Like, hates the establishment.
I'm like, well, I'm trying to get a true crime podcast.
That's what you're telling me.
I'm telling you this, and he's like, fuck them, man.
They're scumbags.
They're this, they're that.
I'm thinking, oh, I didn't say that.
Oh, you were going pretty bad.
Maybe not scumbags, but you were like, nah, man, listen, you need to just do it.
Forget them.
Then they're going to tell you this and tell you this.
You need to do it your way.
And I'm sitting there, well, you can do it.
You can do it, but don't wait for them.
Don't wait for them.
Right.
Do your shit.
Because those motherfuckers are the ones, it's so backwards.
Those are the people.
That are on their fucking computers scouring podcasts for TV show ideas that they can sell.
Right.
They can flip to Netflix.
And I should have listened to Danny that first night because here's what happened.
I was working with someone that continually kept saying, don't do anything on your own because that could ruin the deal that I'm working on right now.
I'm working on this.
I'm working on that.
And he was.
What dumbass told you that?
I don't want to say his name, but the point is, he knows who he is.
So the point is, and we are, we're having Zoom meetings and we're having me.
They're about to fly me out to LA.
And I've been out to LA.
I've met with.
With these production companies.
And so things were happening, but it was always don't do anything.
Don't do anything.
Don't do.
And, you know, I'm not even sure about the podcast, you going on that concrete podcast.
You know, you told your whole story.
I'm like, well, there's a book out.
Why would I do that?
You know, so I'm like, I'm trying to sell my book.
I have a book.
Yeah.
Snake oil salesman, man.
And he's going on and on.
I mean, he meant well, but I'm saying, you were right.
Like, the moment I started going, yeah, I'm not waiting anymore.
It's just stupid.
Danny was telling me, just start doing it.
Just start doing it.
I was like, no, no, no.
Like, If I just started at that point, I'd be a year, at least a year, maybe a year and a half ahead of where I am right now.
Instead of having like 30,000 subscribers on my channel, I'd probably have 100,000 subscribers.
I'd probably be paying all my bills and everything.
But I didn't.
I kept waiting because I kept waiting for like the big Hollywood deal, the big mainstream deal.
It's so easy.
It's so simple to understand.
Do you think Joe Rogan would have got $100 million from Shopify if he would have waited?
Yeah, no.
Right.
Obviously, that's not the most extreme example.
That's what I said, Spotify, right?
I said Shopify.
Yeah, mine said Shopify, whatever.
I know what you mean.
Tomato, tomato.
So, yeah, absolutely.
And it's funny, too, because whenever friends are like, I want to start a YouTube channel, I'm like, do it, just do it.
Start doing it with your iPhone, start this.
I do the same, say the same thing, just do it, just do it.
And they're like, yeah, but I want it to be good.
I'm like, don't you understand?
Fuck that.
This is what you didn't tell me.
Do it, and do it as good as you can, even though it's probably going to be pretty bad, because it really doesn't matter because nobody's watching.
Mm hmm.
Nobody's watching it.
So don't worry about it.
You got three subscribers, and two of them live in your house.
Yeah, yeah.
At least make a couple bucks while you practice.
Right, right.
Just put them out there because it starts the process of getting the subscribers and getting the watch hours.
So starting crappy.
And then guess what?
Leave them up because two years from now or four years from now, when your channel's doing great and it's making money, you can look back on the very first videos you put out and go, oh my God.
That was terrible.
Look how bad this one was.
And you'll laugh about it.
It's better to have it out there.
Yeah, I'm so embarrassed of our first podcast.
They're so fucking awful.
How awful.
Are they still up?
I'm still dumb as hell, but I was so much dumber two years ago.
It's incredible how dumb I am.
I'm going to jump in and it's not that incredible.
The moment I disagree with you.
It amazes me how dumb I am.
But yeah, it's so true.
I want to stop you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you mean on your first ones?
You've been doing these for three years, right?
Almost three years.
I think it'll be three years, I think, this August.
Who's the first person?
Ben.
Who's the first podcast?
The first two or three.
The first four podcasts were all with Ben.
And then we started having guests with Ben.
Is that the one that was like in your kitchen or something?
It was in, no.
You want to hear something crazy?
Ben's house.
Ben had, he bought this fucking mansion in downtown Clearwater that used to be owned by some fucking millionaire Scientologist.
And the basement was an auditing room.
So you know where they do, you know what auditing is in Scientology, right?
Oh, oh, oh.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Definitely.
I know what that is.
I thought you meant audit.
I thought you meant they were CPAs.
No, no, no, no.
Like they had the CPAs.
No, it's where they hook you up to the electronic machine and then you tell all your.
Fucking deepest secrets or whatever.
Right.
So it was basically like a sound studio.
It was all soundproof and everything.
It's already pretty much a studio.
Yeah.
And before it was owned by the Scientologist, it was owned by somebody that was related to the Presley's, like one of the Presley's daughters.
Lisa Marie Presley.
Lisa Marie Presley.
She still lived over there.
So it was her old house.
So she used to have a recording studio downstairs.
And then after that, it was an auditing room.
And then after that, when Ben moved in, we turned it into a podcast room.
So that was the first studio.
So the first episode of the Concrete Podcast, we're in a fucking Scientology auditing room.
And you had a screen up, right?
No, we were just in a tiny little room with a plastic table, man.
You were thinking when we were in the other room at this building.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I liked that setup.
Did we ever have you in there?
No, no, no.
But I had watched it, and I was like, I've been watching different ones, and I was like, this is a good setup here.
Oh, and it has a 14.
Right.
I'd watched Tommy, my buddy Tommy with MSCS Media.
Uh-huh.
That's the guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Indian guy.
Right, the Indian guy.
Tollie's Italian.
He hates it when you say that.
It's just hilarious.
So I say it all the time.
I was like, Danny was asking about the Indian guy.
He said, wait, with the Indian guy?
He's like, he gets all don't tell him I said that.
Don't whack me.
Don't tell him not to whack me.
I don't want to get whacked.
His is a total Joe Rogan ripoff.
Like, I mean, he's got the Joe Rogan mics.
This is all a Joe Rogan ripoff.
No, but he's got the angle.
It is identical to Joe Rogan's.
It's horrible, bro.
It's got the big wire.
It's horrible.
Like it's like, oh, the big mic's the big mic.
Everything, everything that even got the camera.
And I'm like, what?
Why don't you just set it the way you like it?
Well, I like the way Rogan does it.
I'm like, bro, you're just, what are you doing?
You're not Rogan.
You're not Rogan.
Like, do your own thing.
It's all kind of the same, but, you know, it's, you know, Aikman, I'm telling him, like, lower the camera angles.
Why are your camera angles?
Yeah, but that's how Rogan had it.
If you look at the first, what are you doing?
Yeah.
Like, there's no more original ideas, Matt.
There's nothing.
There's no more original ideas.
It's true.
It's sad, but true.
It's sad.
It's just, it's all about how good you are at hiding your sources.
And he is not very good at hiding his sources.
No, no, no.
Oh, I've listened.
I've messed with him on when he's on camera.
I've yelled at him, What are you doing?
He's like, I like Joe Rogan.
He's not lying about it.
He's like, What?
So, yeah, it is pretty identical, right?
Yeah, it is.
It is.
So is this, though.
I mean, all podcasts are fucking from Joe Rogan.
He's the one who started it.
That's what everyone's trying to do.
Everyone's trying to be as successful as he is.
And that's why I want to do the serial for the true crime thing.
Yeah, it's a lot of serial.
It's super different.
I love those podcasts too.
Yeah.
It's just so much work to make them.
You know what I mean?
Right.
That's why it's like making a documentary.
It's an audio documentary.
It really is.
That's why I was saying with you, like, that's how I want to do it, and I can't do it on my own.
I don't have the time, the equipment that you're like, just sit down with a mic and start doing it.
And the problem with those is they're really good, but you can't put out a lot of them.
So if your platform is YouTube, then it's not going to be as successful because YouTube's all about putting out stuff every week, every day.
It's 12 a season.
That's what we're negotiating for, 12 of them.
As long as you can do that, are you going to do that alongside your normal podcast on YouTube?
Yeah.
Or are they going to say shut down YouTube?
No, that's a part of it.
Well, we can't cover the same material, which is fine.
I haven't covered any of my material.
So you can't even promote it on your podcast?
Like, hey, there's a new episode coming out on this, that, and the third.
Oh, no, no.
They would want me to do that.
This is what it's about.
No, they would want me to do that.
What I can't do is I can't say, I can't talk about, let's say, the chip, the thing I'm researching right now, the chip robberies.
It's called The Company.
It's these guys from the Triad, these Chinese Triad members that start robbing computer chip manufacturers, happened back in the late 80s, early 90s.
So I can't cover that story on my personal podcast.
I'm sorry.
I can't cover it on their podcast.
Like, well, what if we do?
Four episodes and break it down, and we do interviews and everything.
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And then while that happens, I turn around and go on my podcast and go and then start talking about the exact same thing.
Then it's like, and I totally get that.
That's not perfectly understandable.
Right.
Even if it's just having like telling the story over the course of two hours, they're like, you know, because when you do it on a podcast like that, you're basically creating intellectual property, which can then be packaged.
But you got to be able to have a conversation about it, touch on the cliff.
No, obviously minor, but I can't, if it takes, if it's six hours to do, or it's four hours of, of, For you know, an hour each episode for four episodes, I can't then sit down and tell this whole story in two hours on my podcast.
Yeah, like if we talk about it for oh, yeah, yeah, it's about these guys, and if we had a five minute conversation or 10 minute conversation, okay, yeah, right.
But so I get so I get and I get that that makes sense.
I mean, they want me to do podcasts, they're saying, though, we want you to podcast, we want you to promote this and do all this and keep doing what you're doing because they're like, you're becoming you're slowly becoming the kind of go to guy for true crime and for you know, being you know.
Cons and frauds and all that stuff.
Same thing with, um, have you seen, did you see the, uh, home, home title lock commercial?
Yes.
Oh, I saw one the other day on, oh my God, Austin, can you pull that up, please?
I, I kid you not.
I'm standing out front of my house with the front door open.
I'm smoking and I hear, as all the TV's running and I hear, I'm like, that sounds like fucking Matt Cox.
I peeked my head in the door and it was like the last couple seconds of this fucking security commercial and I saw Matt on there and then a clip to some other.
I said, no, fuck.
I tried to get a picture and send it to you before I, I don't know what I was talking about.
I think I was watching the basketball game or something.
It was on a popular channel.
Oh, it's on CNN.
It's on TNT.
I think I was watching the basketball game.
There's a 30 minute infomercial in the mornings on Saturdays and Sundays that they loop for like two hours.
Same thing over and over again.
So it's so funny.
That's crazy.
You know, my mom.
It was the first time I ever saw it.
You know, the first time I saw it was with my mom.
I'm eating lunch with my mom.
Yeah, this is what I mean breakfast with my mom look at that.
Do you have this on the screen?
Well, wait a minute.
You got first they got that wrong.
They must have pulled that right off Look at that mug.
Yeah, that's a bad one keep going not great.
Wait, you can go to the truth about home title fraud Whoa God damn that's loud.
Can we make it bigger?
Is this it this must be it?
Yeah, press play Gingrich.
I've always believed that the real home of America is the home.
It's a sacred place.
So funny.
And your values, and it's the foundation of your retirement.
That's why I want you to know the truth about home title theft.
The FBI calls home title theft one of the fastest growing white collar cyber crimes in America.
Me too.
Look at that scoundrel.
Look at that beautiful, beautiful con man with the beautiful hairline.
Look at the old picture.
Glorious hairline.
Ooh, ooh.
How many properties did I falsely buy or acquire in multiple names and borrow against?
I mean, around 150.
First of all, thank you for being honest and sharing with us.
How did you get into taking the houses?
I actually owned a mortgage company.
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It slowly developed, and I just learned a particular skill set that it required.
And were you surprised how easy it was?
It's extremely easy.
Oh, my God, this is great.
And why is that?
In order for me to take your house, I'm going to take public records.
Why is he interviewing you?
They had.
They always have a big time guy who's their main spokesperson.
Okay.
They had Rudy Giuliani for a couple years.
Really?
Yeah.
They had Glenn Beck.
Listen, they don't even use, like, they did like an hour long, maybe a two-hour, conversation with me, not between me and Newt Gingrich, but me and like the producers.
It was brutal.
I mean, I was in rear psychopath form.
What do you mean?
I was just over the top, like they're like.
So do you?
Do you feel so?
Do you feel bad for these people?
No, I don't feel bad, I don't feel anything.
I mean, I was just totally, I don't know, I was in a bad mood, I don't know what happened.
I was just totally like just cold psychopath, cold jacked on coffee.
How much, how much coffee had you got?
Three, at least three vintage.
There's three of these.
I walked in with one of them.
You know I was.
It was just total.
So you were rip roaring.
Oh, it was great.
It was great.
And then when it was done, they were like, you know, we'll probably use a little bit of that.
I said, no, I said, use it.
Well, it was a little harsh.
I said, bro, I said, use it.
I said, make me sound like a complete scumbag, scoundrel, con man, psychopath.
I said, I don't care.
I said, look, I'm not going for the whole, oh, I'm reformed and I feel bad.
I said, no, I'm going for the joker.
I said, so jokerize me.
I said, I don't care.
I said, you're not going to make me feel bad.
I go, I'm a psychopath.
You can't make me feel bad.
I don't feel bad.
I said, so do it.
Run with it.
And they were like, oh, you should have seen.
Yeah, right.
You should have seen the look on their face.
They were like, and I said, do it.
I said, I got no problem.
I said, listen, the people that know me and like me and care about me, they already know who I am.
And I'm not looking for any new friends.
So if everybody else hates my guts, that's fine.
Whatever.
Nobody's going to hunt me down and kill me.
I'm good.
So my point is, you know, I told him that they still then they did the commercial and so the guy called me the producer and I was like Bro, he's like, did you see it?
I was like, man You didn't really he's like, I know it was you know someone was really harsh and I was like, it's fine.
I said, are you concerned that he's like, I you know, we didn't want to make you look too bad because you're kind of like a spokesperson kind of like it, you don't want you know, I need to sell some lifelock.
Yeah, we're trying.
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We don't want to scare people.
I was like, oh man.
So anyway, look the commercials are doing so well.
They called me back They want me to come back and do another commercial.
Nice.
And they're supposed to be sending me right now.
Well, this was actually about a week ago.
We talked about, I think it might have been two weeks ago.
They said they were going to have a meeting.
He goes, We're trying to figure out how to use you for like the next three years on like an exclusive deal.
Nice.
And I'm sitting there going, They're like, So we're going to put something together.
Here we go again.
I'm thinking, Where do I sign?
Are you serious?
And they're like, I mean, if you, they wanted me to call you and make sure you're okay with them.
Am I okay with it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm good.
I'm good.
Let's do this.
Absolutely.
That's amazing.
Run with it.
Wouldn't that be hilarious?
That's amazing.
And I got to be fucking with it.
People sending me text messages saying, Bro, I was just watching Fox News.
I was just watching CNN.
I was just watching this, and suddenly I turned around.
You were there.
Yeah.
I'm like, yeah.
Bro, I talk about it all the time.
You are like the biggest success story of this podcast.
Like, you are the one person who came in here.
Nobody knew who the fuck you were, and you've literally taken the ball and ran with it.
I mean, so far.
And this is the thing, by the way, the guy.
You have created such success out of coming from nothing.
Coming on this podcast.
Is it really for you?
This is like me.
I'm not talking about the amount of attention you got just from as far as podcast views on my channel.
I'm talking about what you've turned it into after that.
Oh, yeah.
Listen, listen.
I'm going to.
Okay.
So I think I'm supposed to go to Chicago in a couple weeks and be on somebody's podcast.
I've been all over the place.
I've been to Ohio.
I've been to California.
I've been to Illinois.
I've been to.
Puerto Rico, I've been to like I've been all over the place doing podcasts and getting doing like like I told you about like when I went to Puerto Rico and they gave me like 1800 bucks to like fly into Puerto Rico and have a lunch with these guys with a couple billionaires in Puerto Rico, right?
They just wanted to hear my story and then I leave.
Um, so you were basically just like entertainment for the night, a couple billionaires, and I was telling the guy, I was like, So, I mean, what, why?
And they're like, we usually have somebody come and we, I saw your stuff and I sent it to the other guys and they love your stuff and we just like you to come just have lunch.
I'm like, I can't do that for free.
Yeah.
No offense, but I got to get paid.
Could you imagine they fly Matt to fucking Epstein Island just for the night they pay him a million dollars?
Would you do it?
Yeah.
Hell yeah, he fucking did it.
What?
So, clip that.
I want the thumbnail of that to be Matt's face with Epstein Island and Epstein's big dome house in the background.
So, look.
So, I'm going to Amsterdam.
You know that.
Yeah.
They've watched the.
I'm going to Amsterdam for four or five days, the end of August, to be in a.
There's a six part series called The Psychology of a Kahneman, and there's six parts.
They got one guy from Asia, they've got a guy from Germany, a guy from France, a guy from the UK, um, guy from someplace like Japan or something.
Um, and they've got, and guess who represents the United States of America?
Matthew Cobb.
No way.
When I was zooming them, and they were like, and I was like, so wait a second.
So I go, so you got a guy here, guy.
I go, so are you saying that I'm representing the United States for like the top?
Con man like that, and they were you could see they get scared, like they're like, they're looking like, um, well, um, and they were like, I mean, I would have to say yes.
And if this, I go, yes, yes, I go, let's do it.
And they were just like, I said, that's awesome, that's awesome.
And they were like, oh, that's just not the response we typically get.
Um, so they're gonna fly me in, they're gonna do a battery of tests.
I said, so you're gonna try and figure out what makes me a con man.
They're like, yes, it's gonna be a battery of tests.
There's a psychiatrist.
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Oh, really?
That's interesting.
I can't wait to see that.
I can't wait to see that.
Sign me up.
Let's do it.
And they've watched all the stuff on Concrete.
So it's that.
Then I'm also going to the Association of Mortgage Brokers.
I'm going to that.
That's an Alabama Association of Mortgage Brokers.
They're flying me in to do, I'm flying in and for one day.
I'm flying in.
Oh, shit.
Sorry.
Flying in the morning, 45 minutes, tell my story, 15 minutes, QA, jump back on the plane, fly right back out.
Wow.
What's the flight out there?
It's like a 13-hour flight.
To Alabama?
Oh, no.
I thought you were talking about fucking, I thought you were talking about Amsterdam.
Amsterdam is like 15 hours.
Yeah, it probably is pretty bad.
It's worth the flight.
Yeah, I hope it's not like spirit.
Hopefully, it's not a fucking six hour turnaround like that.
Listen, it's not like I've never been in a small, uncomfortable position for 15 hours at a time or 12.
You put me in a small box with my hands cuffed like this, and I'd be like, I can eat a sandwich doing that, go to the bathroom.
I can open up a little juice box.
I can do everything with my hands like this.
True crime.
You can buy all $9.95.
True crime has, there's something about true crime.
It's like blowing up in the last couple years.
Last like two years, I want to say.
No, it's like the last.
Five or ten years.
It's really been getting big.
It is fucking like true crime has become one of the most popular genres right now, not only for podcasts, but for shows like Netflix.
Yeah, now they're kind of getting converted into like the Netflix series.
They're like converting like Dirty John, all of those.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's fucking insane.
Even my wife, all she watches is fucking shit about people getting raped and murdered.
Women love.
They like the really.
That's all my mom watches.
It's like 70%.
She's either watching the news or she's watching like.
The ID channel, which is like people getting murdered.
I can't watch all that.
It's too fake.
Some of the stuff on TV, though, is just too fake.
They're true stories, though.
They're true stories.
They're true stories, but the way they fantasize them and dramatize, like there's a UFO thing on History Channel about Skinwalker Ranch.
And it's just the way it's produced and the way they.
Skinwalker Ranch?
What's this?
There's a ranch in Utah that has all kinds of paranormal phenomena that happen.
All kinds of paranormal phenomena that happen with like crazy magnets and fucking up iPhones.
It's water.
It's water.
It's weird drinking water out of a cake.
It is.
I mean, I don't drink beer anyway, but even when I look at it, it should be.
Hold it up.
It's with a smile.
Do a promo for Liquid Death.
They sponsored the podcast.
Who is it?
Liquid Death.
It's a water company.
What do you think about their water?
It tastes good.
Does it taste like death?
Better than the tap.
No.
Their slogan is murder your thirst.
Murder your thirst.
Look at that.
They sent me a fucking giant stack of water and sparkling water.
Nice.
It's good.
It is good.
I don't know what the sparkling water is like, but this is good.
Yeah, it's good.
It's great.
It's great.
It's drinking water from the Alps.
Yeah.
It's like drinking water, melon water, a beer can that's been washed out really good.
Anyways, the shit that's on TV shows is just so overproduced and dramatized.
Dramatized.
That's the word I was looking for.
And it just makes me just like, whenever something's overproduced and dramatized like that, it just makes me skeptical of it.
Yeah, it's like watching American Greed.
Yeah.
Where Matthew Conman walked into the office.
Yeah.
Another single mother.
Yeah.
So sad.
Oh, fuck.
What was I going to say?
Oh, yeah, true crime.
And then women.
Women are like half of the party.
It gets better.
Tony's Water and Questions00:03:21
I got called.
Another thing, I got called from a guy who.
Have you ever seen.
Oh, God, it's called.
Hold on.
It's on AE.
It's called 60 Days In.
I've seen it on the scrolling through, but I've never watched it.
Okay, so I've watched a couple episodes because this guy contacted me like a week or so ago.
Like, I never check Instagram.
People contact me on Instagram.
Like, I check it maybe once or twice a month, and they'll be like 30.
And so, as I'm going through, like, you know, accept and, you know, oh, cool, thanks, you know, and giving them little responses, this one guy says, Hey, if he hadn't put AE in the name of the show, he would have gotten nothing.
Yeah.
Like, if it was just like, hey, bro, watch your stuff.
You're awesome.
You know, give me a call.
But instead, he was like, I'm so and so from, you know, I'm Tony.
His name is Tony from AE.
He has a bunch of guys have reached out.
A bunch of my fans have reached out to me and said, I need to interview you.
I need to contact you.
I've watched your stuff on YouTube.
You know, great stuff.
Really want to talk to you about being interviewed and talk to you about AE and blah, blah, blah.
I was like, it was like a week or so ago.
I was like, oh, God.
So I responded.
I talked to him the other day.
He wants to interview me for some show for AE.
Talking about possibly trying to do some kind of a cone for the 60 days in show, no, for something totally different.
But they're they're like hooked in with him now, you know, he was a big star of that show, okay.
And so, they're now he's now doing kind of like a spinoff show, and so, same thing.
It's so there's lots of stuff that constantly happening, it's just trying not to get in hooked into that trap where you signed up signing a bunch of stuff and then nothing happens, get your hopes up on it, right?
But imagine if you if you didn't have a podcast, if you didn't have any sort of other thing, if you didn't have anything else.
Going on, you'd be like, oh yeah, they'd want to, they want to sign you up exclusively for them and you would have nothing else.
You know what I mean.
Right now you have leverage when you start putting out your own, that you own independently.
You have leverage against those people and they know that right, what you know.
And it's funny too, because guys always tell me, like I always get guys like, oh, what does Danny pay you for that?
What is them like, well nothing bro, you don't pay anybody to do all that for nothing.
Like well yeah, but you do understand.
So then you have to break it down.
You understand what's happened.
Like like concrete me put me on like I was already out And doing stuff, but, like you know, I was already in a couple magazines and I was trying to, but you were still in the halfway house when you came on the show the first time.
No, no, I just got out, I wouldn't do it in the halfway house, so that's right.
You wouldn't do it, you were not allowed to.
You did it after, um, and he was even like, Come, well, first of all, I couldn't, I can't disappear for four hours, like, there's no way to go across.
Listen, you're so scared in the halfway house, like, they're knocking people off, yeah, they're ready to send me right back in jail.
So, you know, he's like, Yeah, come over and this, and I'm like, I'll hold it.
And then, so I got out, and then he called me out, I'd been out like a month or a few weeks or something.
You're like, Bro.
I answered your questions.
Yeah.
Because I had asked you about podcasts.
I answered your questions, said you were going to come on.
You're not in the thing.
I had somebody didn't show up.
Yeah, someone rescheduled last minute.
I got nothing in the can.
I need to do something.
I need to come out.
I was like, all right.
So I came out.
But I explained that.
I said, look, Danny put me on a course because of the podcast, put me on a course and got me exposure that I never would have gotten had I said, oh, well, you've got to give me 500 bucks.
Juan's Venezuela Optics00:09:12
You know what I'm saying?
Or you go to, and he'd have been like, screw you.
I'll go get, I'll go just have a conversation with anybody for, you know, forget it.
I'm not going to do it.
Okay.
So then what, where would I be?
I'd be pushing, I'd be pushing books on my own.
It has been said that I, I have had people tell me that I am the Joe Rogan of Florida.
Oh, God.
Who the fuck gassed you up like that?
No.
No.
It's been said.
I've been, it's been said.
It could be a fact.
I'm just saying it could be a fact.
Matt, you didn't fuel that comment to his head, did you?
No.
No.
I've had a guest come on here and say it, and I've seen at least one comment that said that.
So it could be true.
Who knows?
Anyways, you've done great for yourself.
You've really taken off.
You really.
Well, I'm not making a bunch of money, but a lot of things are happening.
Like, something's got to hit.
There's so much stuff up in the air right now.
Like, it's so much stuff being thrown at the wall.
Something's got to stick.
For sure.
Yeah, but it's not about one thing sticking, it's about staying consistent.
And that's what you're doing.
Right, no, no.
I'm staying on it.
I'm putting stuff up.
And the energy.
It's a snowball effect, right?
It's a snowball effect.
The first podcast was the spark that lit the flame.
Right.
Now it just keeps growing and growing.
It's all the.
And look, I like doing the podcasts.
Look, like Juan, Juan, I'm going to interview this chick that it's great.
Juan's great too because he works.
Who are you talking about?
Juan Sanchez.
Okay.
He's the ex con that you just interviewed.
The guy from Venezuela, like, got kidnapped in Venezuela, was laundered $39 million.
He's got a great story.
But just so happens he knows somebody, knows a chick that was a high end madam who was bringing girls in.
I'm going to say from like.
Brazil or something.
I don't know that it was some South American country.
I don't know which one, but she was bringing girls.
So they can come in, like you can come in for like 90 days to the United States.
Come hang out, whatever, on vacation.
So they would come in for 90 days.
So this girl's getting, this woman's getting phone calls from women in, let's say, Brazil.
She's Spanish too.
And they're calling her and saying, Look, I can come to the United States for 90 days.
I need to make some money.
And she's setting like supermodel hot looking.
And they're coming in and they're working as high end escorts.
She's so she's, I don't want to say pimping him out.
She likes it.
She is, yeah.
Okay, yeah.
I mean, not the best possible way.
She's a pimp.
She's pimping out.
So she's being a madam to these women, and they're coming and they're going back to her.
Like a gizlane.
Like a gizlane Maxwell.
On a different level.
That was Epstein's girl.
Oh, was it?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
Who was procuring the.
Yeah, but these are adult women.
These are toddler.
They're not kids.
Oh, no.
No, no.
It's not like sex trafficking.
Well, it is sex trafficking, kind of.
Yeah, it is.
Anyway, look.
So, this chick comes in.
So, these girls are coming in for 90 days and then they're going back to like Venezuela or Colombia or Brazil with 50 grand.
50 grand is going back there is like going back there with like $400,000.
Right.
It's a huge amount of money.
You can buy a condo and still have years worth of income left.
So, they're going back there with.
And so, then those girls go back there.
They tell this person, this girl.
Next thing you know, next thing you know, she's just running them left and right.
And he sent me her indictment.
I read her indictment.
I read her stipulation of facts.
I'm like, Accounts with 400,000, accounts with 100,000, 200,000.
This girl got paid 80,000.
This girl got 60,000.
This girl got.
I mean, these chicks are coming in and they're just lining them up.
I was like, this chick's probably got a pretty good story.
This is a pretty interesting story.
She did this for years.
So she's coming in.
I'm going to do her on my podcast on Wednesday.
Next Wednesday?
Juan's going to come back.
Juan's going to do concrete.
She'll be better than mine because.
And you're going to be here too?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I'll be.
Whatever you guys decide.
He's.
You'll be able to do a better podcast.
Like, I just sat there and thought he was just gonna tell his story.
Like, I didn't interview him really.
Does that make sense?
Because I'd heard him say his story so many times, I thought he was gonna just roll it on out.
Yeah.
But he's like, I haven't told anybody that story in like, like, when did he tell you that story in prison?
In prison seven or eight years ago.
Right.
Okay.
So he went to keep in mind, he left, he went to an ice facility, he went to, so he had a whole thing after we met.
So he hasn't been telling that story.
So he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So here's what I did.
So he threw out some stuff and I was like, Whoa, whoa.
I kept having to go, Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What about this?
And he was like, Oh, yeah, yeah.
I forgot about it.
Yeah.
So what happened?
Then he'd tell that story.
I go, Whoa, whoa.
What about the story about how you got the money to pay for your attorney?
That is a good story.
Yeah, that's good.
Let me tell that.
And it's like, it wasn't as good, you know?
Yeah.
Like I felt like it wasn't good.
Colby, my video editor, he was like, Bro, that was amazing.
It was a great story.
He was great.
I was like, But I had an anticipation of what it was in my mind.
Right, yeah, it was different.
Man, you know what would be great for the prison industrial complex is if the people who own the prisons, they set up in the prison cells, they set up podcasts so everyone in prison could have their own podcast, their own YouTube show, and the prisons could make so much fucking money by pimping out these prisoners to have a true crime podcast.
That's not smart.
Imagine it.
Imagine how much money they could have.
I'm selling it.
Fucking arrest them all.
Fill those prisons up.
Now we can have more podcasts, make more podcast money.
We can have deals with Spotify.
Jesus.
The prison had escalated quickly.
I was going to say, first of all, they're already filled up.
Yeah.
They're already filled.
You really just need to bring in a mic.
So, okay, prison owners, if you want to make more money, do deals with Spotify, fill the prison cells with microphones and set up podcasts with the prisoners.
That way they can have their podcasts in prison and the prisons can do Spotify deals directly.
And it'll be fucking hands over fist, millions.
Never happened.
Never happened in the federal system.
They won't let a camera in.
Sure, it will.
They won't let a camera in.
They won't let you come in and video an inmate.
In prison.
Not since, was it Diane Sawyer did it?
Or was it Barbara Walters did?
She did one for 60 Minutes and it was called Club Fed, where they actually went into a prison, a camp, and showed the facility and how nice the facility was.
And people went nuts.
Like, you know, because they're showing guys playing tennis, they're showing guys doing fishing, they're doing this, they're doing that.
And they're like, Oh, and she's like, she's going, oh, what'd you have for dinner?
He's like, ah, we had this.
And, you know, he's like, oh, we had, like, he's saying all these things that sound good.
And so they immediately after that whole thing, they went in and they said, the federal, the Bureau of Prison said, we're never letting another camera in because they made us look like fools.
And we're taking away this and this.
They started, they literally are paving over all the stuff.
They're tearing up everything.
They just took everything away.
Yeah, but who cares anymore?
Who cares anymore?
Everybody knows.
Everybody talks about it.
Everybody knows all the fucking crazy shit that goes on.
In prisons.
But they were forsuring that it was club fed.
They were saying it was like club net if it was too nice.
Right.
But who cares?
Well, it's too late.
You don't have to care now because it's not now.
Now it's a state.
It's practically a state.
Exactly.
So let the cameras in now.
Give them podcasts.
And I think you should take that on.
But having dealt with the bureaucracy of the federal prison system, I can tell you it's never going to happen.
I think it's time for the federal prison system to give in to the entertainment system.
I think so too.
And look, as feeble as Biden is, you could probably say.
Fool them into signing something, you know?
But yeah.
True crime is profitable.
It is.
Who's the head of the BOP right now?
We need to get him on here.
No idea.
That'd be great.
Can you find out who the head of the Bureau of Prisons is?
We need to reach out to him immediately and get him on here.
Do you remember when I told you about the time that I came up with that newsletter about the Puerto Ricans?
How I said Trump was.
That was a fake newsletter.
Juan and I talked about that.
Oh, did you?
We laughed because Juan was one of the guys who came up to me.
He's like, Matt, Matt, he was like, have you heard anything about this thing, this thing Trump signed and they're sending the Puerto Ricans back to Puerto Rico?
And I went, I said, okay, bro, I'm going to tell you something.
And I told him it was me.
Michael Carvigil, the director of the BOP as of 2020.
So he's the guy who is the new director after Epstein suicided himself.
The old BOP guy got canned after Epstein.
Damn.
So we need to get Michael.
Oh, maybe we get.
We probably have a better chance of getting the old director out there.
Can you imagine?
Like, this guy's sitting there, like, well, I have nothing to do with it.
It's all about optics.
It's all about optics, Matt.
Fire him.
Fire me.
Fake Trump Newsletters00:03:25
What are you talking about?
Somebody's got to sit down.
I wasn't sleeping at the stand.
I didn't break the camera.
I was here.
I was five states away.
I've never even seen that.
He's probably never been there.
There are 1,300 facilities.
I've never even been there.
You're fired.
Why?
Because it'll look good for us.
We're trying to clear us.
Everything's about optics.
That's all that matters.
That's all that matters is what it looks like to the public.
What are you going to put there for the couch?
I got a new couch.
I'm going to picture it.
The couch is gone.
Why?
What's the new couch?
Where'd you get it?
Garage sale?
What's happening?
No, no.
I bought it online.
I bought it on the internet.
It's nice.
I don't know if you would call it nice.
I don't want to spoil the surprise, but it's a very nice.
It's a vintage y couch.
Vintage blue velvet couch, Matt Cox.
You're going to hate it.
You're going to absolutely fucking hate it.
I I'm begging you to rethink this.
What?
Look, this is nice.
This is nice.
The, the, um, the, like, hey, like the drawings of the fisherman with the butts and the heart.
See the, see the noose with the beach in the background.
I did not even notice that.
Can you go grab that for me real quick?
We got to show that.
I mean, I'm wearing the headphones.
That's right.
What do you think?
Let's, let's, let's analyze this art piece right here.
Look at this.
With your, uh, arts degree.
What is your, what is your arts degree opinion on, on this artwork?
We got, we got a noose with a beach in the background.
We got the Florida with the 666, and we got the fisherman's asshole with the heart around it.
Where's the fisherman's?
Right here.
Okay.
I mean, I think it's drawn well.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'll take that.
I'll buy that.
Luke did that.
Luke.
Okay.
Yeah, I figured Luke did it.
Hand drawn.
Nice.
Yeah.
I mean, it's all disturbing.
Luke's an artist.
I know.
I know.
I heard that.
He has a degree.
I know he does.
He has an arts degree.
What does that mean?
I've never seen anything he's done.
Except for this.
I meant to ask you this.
What's the difference between a fine arts degree and a liberal arts degree?
What's a liberal arts degree?
You really don't know?
No, I don't know.
Really?
Is that what your mom has?
My mom has a master's degree in fine art.
Fine art.
Master's degree.
What is your degree?
It's just a BA.
A bachelor's.
So you only did four years.
My mom did eight years?
Wow.
Fucking masters.
That just means that she has less money than you.
The National Association of Schools of Art and Design, NASAD, which accredits bachelor's of fine arts programs in visual arts and design in the United States, states that the professional degree BFA focuses on intensive work in the visual arts supported by programs of genital studies, whereas liberal arts.
Genital or general?
General.
Liberal arts degrees focus on art and design.
I don't understand.
Conservative Coffee Shop Talk00:03:32
Liberal.
Is there a conservative?
Is there a conservative arts degree?
I went to a coffee shop today.
So there's this coffee shop that's in Pinellas Park that's called Conservative Grounds.
Right, right.
You did a video.
Was it a little documentary on it?
Yeah, a little expose on it.
Yeah, I did a little fine arts piece on it.
And it's basically all Trump supporters.
It's heavily support Back the Blue, Make America Great Again coffee shop.
It's a Make America Great.
It's a MAGA coffee shop.
And there's a replica of the Oval Office with a statue of Melania and Trump in there.
With the desk and everything.
It's fucking great.
And I don't really go to coffee shops that much.
If I want coffee, I get McDonald's coffee or I make it at home.
Right.
And I went to a coffee shop today.
I actually Googled, what's a good coffee shop around here?
And there was a really good coffee shop.
decent coffee shop with great Google reviews fucking five stars all the way right down the street.
I went and said, ah, fuck it.
I'm going to go there and so I can get some, you know, cafe con leche.
So I go over there and it's just like complete polar opposite of conservative grounds.
Conservative grounds is the last coffee shop I've been to.
And it's just like this girl.
She's got like pink hair, bowl cut, total lesbo.
And she's just like, hi, how are you today?
What can I get you?
If you have any questions about the menu, please just Don't hesitate to ask.
And I'm just like, wow.
Just the fucking crazy radical difference in the coffee shops.
It's fucking insane.
It's just like, I didn't want to be there.
Like, I would rather be to some, I'd rather be at some fucking gunslinging country coffee shop than have this fucking get served.
But the coffee was great.
I'm not going to sleep on the coffee.
Who had the better coffee?
That's the question.
The liberal coffee shop.
Because they put some love into that coffee.
They put some love into it.
There was definitely some very artistic care.
She had loving hands when she made the coffee.
And there were some kids in the corners doing, you know, working in Photoshop, you know, doing their Photoshop work and sending some emails in the corner.
And it was quiet and it was very nice ambiance.
Yeah.
But it was just, I don't know, something about it just made me kind of like sneer at it.
You know what I mean?
Just because it was so over the top, so just over the top, like artsy fartsy coffee shop, you know?
And I haven't been to a coffee shop in so long.
The last coffee shop I've been to is Conservative Grounds.
So I guess that was the reason I was.
So shocked by it.
You don't ever go into Starbucks?
No, never.
I mean, I've driven through the drive-thru.
I've been through the drive-thru.
Yeah.
I'd never go into Starbucks now.
A lot of times I'll go, like, if the line's too long, I'll pull in and just walk in.
You know, I'll go, I used to go in more, obviously, before the pandemic.
You know, I would go in and sit down and drink coffee and whatever play, you know, answer emails on my phone or whatever.
But it's so, like, it's, that's the normal thing, though, for coffee shops to be like that.
Like that, the coffee shop I went to today.
Yeah, I think so.
It's a place to kind of hang out and, Yeah, they do.
But why aren't there more conservative coffee shops, I wonder?
I mean, I think that.
Do conservatives not like coffee tech?
No, I'm sure they're drinking the hell out of coffee.
He's drinking it at home, and they don't have time to hang out.
They don't like to sit at coffee.
They have jobs.
They're too busy making money.
They have jobs.
That's why.
That's what it is.
They're too busy making America great again.
No, that's why it is.
The conservative people, they have jobs.
They're making a living.
And the people that are at the liberal coffee shops that I went to today, they're living off welfare, right?
Civil Lawsuit and Lawyers00:15:54
Damn.
I did not say that.
Odd canceled.
I've had too much whiskey.
Oh, yeah.
That wasn't even funny.
I was just trying to be funny.
But anyways, I thought it was a funny take.
But the coffee was fucking great.
The girl was super nice.
She was a very sweet girl.
She was very, you know, affectionate and loving when she made my coffee.
I'll go back.
We'll go back there for sure.
And I was wearing a Marilyn Manson t-shirt, and she made it very, she did not like that.
She made a comment about my Marilyn Manson shirt.
She's like, oh, Marilyn Manson shirt, huh?
I know, you know, because he's been canceled.
You know that.
Uh-uh.
You know who Marilyn Manton is?
He's a singer.
Yeah, yeah.
And he got called out.
He got called out by one of his ex girlfriends saying that he was abusive in the relationship.
He's been canceled, meaning what?
Do you know what cancel culture is?
Oh, or so now nobody's going to, nobody, they basically, it's not going to be.
Do you know what Me Too is?
Yeah, but it's, it's, it's, um, I was going to say, it's like, uh, what do they call it where you, you suddenly everybody decides they're not going to go to Target.
What do they call it when you, um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
When you try to cancel, when you say that they've done something wrong.
There's another name for it that you would typically use.
It's, um, it's where you're against that.
Target and you're not going to go there anymore that kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah, what do they call that?
It's called cancel culture Well, that's what you're calling it because it's that's the thing they call it now, but it's like you're boycott boycotting.
Thank you kind of.
Yeah, like you're boycott.
Yeah, so it's like boy you're boycotted.
Okay, right.
So Marilyn Mance is being boycotted right now or canceled because one of his ex-girlfriends said that he was abusive in their sexual life I love that any woman that says anything you have to automatically believe anything she says.
Yes, exactly.
I was it but a couple of you're fucked if you don't right I think a couple other women piled on after her.
They always pile on, right?
Right.
Yeah.
Like Cosby.
Like Cosby.
Exactly.
You raped 50 women over the course of 30 years.
None of them ever came forward.
I thought it was hundreds with Cosby.
Yeah.
I think it's like 50 something, like whatever.
But it could be more.
But I'm saying that you did this for the last 30 years.
This is what you've done.
And none of them came forward until one woman said something.
Then they all rushed in.
Right.
I was at a party with him in 1979.
He drugged and raped me, too.
Really?
I mean, that, you know?
So, how long did Cosby, how long was Cosby in prison for?
He just got out, but how long was he in for?
Do you know?
I don't know, four or five years, right?
No, no, was it three or four years?
About three or four years, right?
Yeah, right around three or four.
Yeah.
So, do you know the actual, like, the story behind his case right now?
It was a civil case or a criminal case?
It wasn't criminal, right?
It was civil.
Well, I mean, it's criminal.
It started civil.
It started civil where basically he, This woman was suing him, and he decided he was going to settle a lawsuit.
And they settled because she said, Look, you gave me whatever it was LSD or you gave me something, you know, qualudes.
It was qualudes, yeah.
Qualudes, which kills me because when they say it like this, we were at a party, he drugged me, he raped me.
Yeah.
So his version, of course, is we were at a party, I was taking qualudes, I asked her if she wanted some, she took some.
We end up, you know, 30, 45 minutes later, we end up having sex.
Right.
So it's no different than we were at a party.
I was taking some Xanax.
The chick I was with said, hey, you got any for me?
And I said, absolutely.
Here, have one.
45 minutes, we ended up having sex in my car.
You raped or you drugged and raped her.
Like, no different than I was having a couple of drinks.
I said, hey, you want a drink?
Sure.
She had a couple of drinks.
We ended up having sex in the parking lot.
Guess what?
You drugged and raped her.
I mean, it's like.
That progression.
So he ends up, for the purposes of the civil suit, he says, They said, Did you drug her?
Yes, I gave her the qualudes.
We had sex.
I didn't rape her.
I did this.
I did this.
I did drug her.
I did have sex with her.
I did this.
I did that.
And I'll say all this, provided you're never going to be able to use this.
Right, right, right.
Of course, of course, of course.
Then, of course, she gets the settlement.
Everything goes through.
Boom.
Let's put it out there.
Now, we're going to go ahead and we're going to go ahead and we're going to use that against you to file criminal charges and we're going to charge you and you're going to go to prison.
And then all these other women say, you know what?
Time to get paid.
I was at a party with this guy 20 years ago.
He raped me too.
And suddenly everybody jumps on the bandwagon.
Next thing you know, this guy's apparently been raping people every few weeks for the last 30 or 40 years.
And he's 80 something years old and he ends up going to prison.
And then, of course, a judge finally looks at it and says, Well, wait a second.
First, you can't use this.
But on top of that, he's admitting to something for the purposes of a lawsuit.
For a civil lawsuit.
Civil lawsuits are all about money, they're all about getting a settlement.
Right, right.
A criminal lawsuit is actually for prison time.
Right, because that's what.
That's the way you make it right.
Like, you and I get into an argument or something, and you cost me money somehow.
You get me fired from my job.
You do whatever.
You slander me somehow, and I get fired and I lose my house.
I turn around and I sue you, and then I prove that that's true, that what you said was a lie, and you got me fired, and I ended up losing my house.
I had to start over.
Well, guess what?
Now you owe me money, and that's how you do it because I can't come over and club you, and I can't throw you in prison.
Right.
Because it's civil.
It's not what you did was wrong, but it's not illegal.
So, you know, you handle it civilly, and that's what they handled it civilly.
We handled this civilly because we have a difference of opinion.
You're saying I drugged and raped you.
I'm saying we were at a party and we both got fucked up and we had sex.
Yeah.
You know, it's a difference of opinion, but I don't, obviously, I'm Bill Cosby.
I don't want this to go any further.
I'm an 80 year old man.
I'm going to give you a couple million dollars.
That's nothing to me.
Yeah.
But then it suddenly hits the media.
Everybody jumps on board.
He ends up going to prison.
But a judge, a reasonable judge, looks at it and says, No.
He would have said, I flew in on a UFO.
Magic carpet.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I flew in in a UFO and I beamed you up and had.
I would have said anything for the purposes of the lawsuit just to get rid of it.
Like, you can't take that because he's saying that's not what happened.
Well, you said it on film.
What are you talking about?
I said, Of course I did.
It was civil and I was never going to use it.
It doesn't matter what I say.
I'm trying to get the fuck out of here.
I'm trying to get this done with.
I'm an old man.
I'm dying.
I'm going to be dead soon, for God's sake.
And I'm working.
A hundred million dollars.
Civil lawsuits are all about who's got the more money to spend on a lawyer.
Right, that's at the end of the day.
At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to.
Who's going to take it the farthest?
Who's going to who's going to?
Sometimes it's it's about, look, it's well, you see, somebody's always trying to get money.
You have more leverage if you have more money.
Whoever has more money has more leverage.
They can hire more.
Like, if you're just wrong, you're wrong.
You know what i'm saying.
Sometimes you're wrong.
It's hard to eat, it's hard to be on an even playing field When one person's broke and the other one has 60 lawyers on their payroll and they're worth a trillion dollars.
Right.
So it's hard for me to sue Amazon.
Right.
But if that person who has the 60 lawyers is also a celebrity with a reputation to uphold, then it's even worse.
The smaller person has leverage.
Then the smaller guy has leverage because they can put their story out there and create a story.
Well, it's like the guy with Nike, the guy that just is going to go two and a half years, the guy that was a Stormy Weathers old attorney.
Stormy Daniels?
Stormy Weathers?
Did I say Weathers?
Stormy Weathers?
Stormy Daniels.
Stormy Daniels' old attorney, which is Avante?
Something Avante?
What's his name?
Aponte?
No, no.
Aponte?
No.
Avante.
Yeah, the guy who's he was with, he was Stormy Daniels' old lawyer.
Yeah, I don't know.
Okay, he went to Nike and Michael.
He went to Nike.
How do I not know this story?
I don't know.
He went to Nike and said, Look, I've got clients that are sports guys, or sorry, that are kids that were in sports and that are going to say that you guys offered to pay him or pay them, and I'm going to help.
They got him on tape saying, He's saying, I want $25 million, or your company's going to take a $10 billion sale.
They were paying kids what?
That they were either paying kids, or I forget the exact thing, but basically, he was going to smear.
He was ready for kids to do what?
Make their shoes?
To wear their shoes, to wear their products.
A federal judge on Thursday sentenced celebrity lawyer turned criminal defendant Michael Avanti to 30 months in prison for attempting to extort millions of dollars from Nike.
Wow.
He rose to fame as Stormy Daniels' lawyer and was convicted in February 2020.
That was more than a year ago, bro.
Of three counts for threatening to publicly accuse the sportswear company of illicitly paying amateur basketball players.
Unless Nike paid him.
Right.
Wow.
So he, and his whole thing was like, if I do this, it's going to cost you guys, your company will take a $10 billion nosedive.
Like, your stock will this, and it's, so I want $25 million.
And so they immediately called the FBI.
Yeah.
And no shit.
Recorded him and everything, and then boom, now he's doing two and a half years.
Fucking dummy.
What a dumbass.
Already rich, already got a bunch of money.
Trying to extort rich.
Just a greedy fucking scumbag.
Right.
So I'm saying that his leverage over Nike, because typically, I'll bet you, Be shocked how many big corporations actually do pay out just to get rid of like nuisance suits, like little suits.
Like, we don't want this in the, we don't want to be associated with this or whatever.
I mean, how many times?
He probably asked for too much.
He should have shot the number about half of what he shot it at.
Or he should have doubled or should have made the number way higher.
Well, I'm wondering what, I'm wondering.
I'm going to call it the FBI after a certain amount.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm wondering exactly like what, how much?
Well, I'll tell you what, they probably felt like he was.
Pretty over the top, and we can definitely prove this.
And this will send a message to anybody else who tries to try this, yeah.
Like, it's worth going to this thing.
And he's probably being so overt about it.
Like, they're like, This dumbass is bound to say something wrong on tape.
Like, we could easily get this guy.
He's not doing it like in the guise of the law.
He's basically like extorting them, right?
And he says on it, he's like, What?
He says something like, They said something about, Well, what about this?
A million dollars?
Because a million dollars, he's that doesn't do anything for me.
He said, Listen, he said, I'll come out with, he's I'll line up 10.
10 guys or 10 whatever basketball players that'll all say this.
He said, he said, and he goes, and you're, he says something like, like your stock will take a $10 million or $10 billion hit.
He said, okay.
He said, so stop fucking around with me.
I mean, he's talking, he's cussing.
He's with a bunch of lawyers.
You're cussing.
He's probably in his office fucking taking shots of whiskey, doing lines.
Right.
So they're probably sitting there.
The lawyers who were wired up are like, that was beautiful.
That was perfect.
God damn it.
What an idiot.
Clip it.
Like, how perfect is that?
Somebody clip that.
So, yeah.
But, yeah.
So, Bill Cosby, going back to Bill Cosby, his lawyer that he used was one of Trump's lawyers.
He was one of the lawyers Trump used for his impeachment trial, right?
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I'm pretty sure it was.
Yeah.
Trump lawyer.
Oh, look at how quick that was, Austin.
Fuck.
Trump lawyer Bruce Castor plays a central role in the Bill Cosby going free.
Look at Bill.
That's not Bill.
Yeah, it is.
That's fucking Bill.
The fucking white guy.
No, that's his lawyer.
That's Bill's lawyer, Bruce.
That's what I said, Bruce.
You said, look at Bill.
You said, look at Bruce.
You're all fucked up today, Bobby.
Your words are all jumboed up.
Run it back, pal.
Lawyer Bruce Caster has now gotten two extremely high profile Americans off this year in a much watched legal proceeding.
First came President Donald Trump.
Now comes Bill Cosby.
That's crazy.
So, what is the reason?
So, Bill, when he went to prison for a few years for this case, basically the judge who looked at this said, You can't take this shit that went down in the civil lawsuit, you can't take it to a federal court.
You can't take it to a criminal transfer it into a criminal lawsuit.
So it goes against the rules, right?
Well, I mean, he was just he's saying that it's it's different.
First of all, well, first of all, I used it.
We don't we all agree this cannot be used.
You cannot, you know, this this is for the sole purposes of this trial, blah blah blah.
And then they end up and give it to the So obviously rape is a very bad thing.
You know, it's not good to rape people.
Yeah, especially when we can agree you got hundreds of people you got hundreds of women saying that you raped them, right?
Like You should be in fucking prison if you're raping hundreds of people.
Right.
But what he's saying is.
But there's also a statute of limitations.
You know what I'm saying?
So the statute of limitations on almost all of them was up.
Almost all of them.
But I love that it's all up, but they all get to come in when you're sentenced.
They all get to line up and talk.
Okay, well, wait a second.
Her statute of limitations, she wasn't.
I didn't rape her.
She said you did.
We're going to let that stand.
Let her come up.
Right.
You know, so they get to go in and say, you know, oh, in 19.
So are they saying they fucked up by like it was fucked up?
They should not have locked them up?
Yeah, no, what they did was they said this evidence could not have been used.
And as a result of that, I'm throwing it out with prejudice.
So you can't use it.
You can't bring it back.
And I'm dismissing the charges with prejudice.
You cannot recharge him.
So the state can't come in and say, oh, we're going to charge him again without the evidence.
No, the judge is saying, one, you're not using it again.
And two, you're not charging him again.
He's go home.
So here's the thing.
What were you going to say?
So you don't think the whole time he's going through his trial or whatever, Him and his lawyers have to know, like, you can't be using this evidence.
Yeah, right.
It's always subjective.
I mean, it's always subjective.
And look, there's stuff where it's clearly you cannot use this evidence.
And the U.S. attorney will argue it, Your Honor, but this and this.
And sometimes the judge will, well, I'm going to allow it.
And what are you talking about?
Like, the defense will say, well, statute such and such says, I disagree.
And they'll, knowing that you understand that this is going to, this will be appealed and it'll be thrown out and the whole thing will be thrown out.
But the judges know and the U.S. attorneys know, they're like, yeah, I know, but.
Think about it.
The trial's this long.
By the time he gets to prison, by the time he appeals it, by the time he does this, it's two years.
Then, even if he gets a new trial, which is probably pretty good, it's going to be six months before we have to be to trial.
We'll delay it as much as we can.
We'll get another three years.
He'll do three years before he gets back in front of a jury, and he's already lost once.
So we can probably negotiate with him during that period of time to say, look, immediate release, but you have to plead guilty.
Mm hmm.
And most guys, even if they're innocent, they're just going to say, All right.
All right, fine.
Just let me out.
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Like, I'll be a felon.
I don't care.
Just let me out.
Like, they're so.
Now it's three years, you're traumatized.
And you see how the system works and you realize how stacked against you it is.
So you realize right away, Look, I'll do anything just to escape the situation.
Like, I've got 20 years and you're going to let me out after three.
I'll take it.
Cool.
Even though I haven't done anything.
Most of the time, when they do stuff like the Innocence Project comes in and stuff, and they'll say, Look, turns out that.
All of this evidence, all this evidence that you have against this guy, you said this is his blood, you said this is his fingerprints, you said this, you said, guess what?
Not his blood, not this, not that.
Most of the time, the states will come in and say, We're going to retry him.
What are you talking about?
Your main evidence was the blood, was the semen.
It's not his, it's 100%.
We actually have another person that it may be that died in prison two years ago.
What are you talking about?
They're like, No, no, we're going to retry him.
We'll try it again.
Because they're like, Look, first of all, the guy's been locked up 10 years.
He knows how bad it is.
He knows the chance that he got this over.
He's innocent.
Yeah, what?
He's innocent.
He's in prison.
And the chance, he knows that this was a fluke.
Mm hmm.
So he knows if we retry him, there's a chance he's going back, he might still get found guilty.
And we're going to use that to try and get him to plead guilty so that he can't sue us for what we did to him.
Right.
And most guys will say, Yeah.
Okay, I'll take it.
Like, wait, you didn't rape her.
You didn't rape and murder that woman.
You didn't do this.
You didn't do any of this.
It's all 100% true.
We can prove it now.
You're still ready to sign something and walk away.
Why?
Because I thought I was going to die in prison and I'm just desperate to just get out.
Right.
You just want to get the fuck out.
Right.
You know, for all I know, I could be killed in here.
Before I walk out of here, especially now that people have seen me on the news and they know I'm getting out, a lot of jealousy in prison.
People will attack you for no reason.
A lot of guys won't tell people when they're getting out.
A lot of guys will be like, look, don't go around the last month or two saying, yeah, man, I'm out of here in a month.
I'm out of here in a month.
Because a lot of these guys aren't getting out for 10 years.
Some of these guys are going to die in here.
And you're walking around saying that.
There's a lot of people that are bipolar.
They'll flip out on you and attack you.
So don't say nothing.
So, you know, you don't know what's going to happen.
These guys are signing just to walk out the door.
Of course, once they're outside, they turn around and they're like, I should have sued.
I should have this.
I shouldn't sign that paper.
I shouldn't.
But you were under such duress.
Right.
Plus, wasn't part of the argument that he's fucking 80 years old?
Like, letting this guy out, even if he's a rapist, he's nothing to worry about.
He's a fucking 80 year old.
Yeah, he's not a risk.
He's not a risk.
He's not like a fucking 30 year old guy who's a serial rapist.
Plus, these women aren't saying that he beat me.
He beat me, bound me, threw me in the trunk of his car, drove me to.
Drove me out in the woods, raped me, and left me for dead.
They're saying, Hey, slid me a Mickey.
And next thing you know, he looked good.
And he's famous and rich, so I had sex with him.
You know, they're not saying he beat on me and held me down.
And, you know, my eyes were black and blue and broke my nose.
And, you know.
Right.
You think he knew he was going to get out on that technicality?
No.
No?
I mean, I think that, look, I think at his level, your lawyers are always kind of telling you, We can do this and we can do that.
So we got a good chance.
We got.
Like they're trying and they can keep trying.
They will keep trying because they're getting paid to try.
So they're doing that.
And in his mind, maybe he never really accepted it.
But I've known a lot of rich guys that 100% were positive they were not going to be found guilty.
Yeah.
And then when they were found guilty, like after a year or two, like they think, oh, well, they're going to get it turned over.
They're going to let me back out on bond.
Then they find out you're not getting bond.
Well, what do you mean?
Well, you're going to have to start the prison sentence and we'll do this.
We're going to do it as quickly as possible.
How quickly?
Right.
Like, how long am I going to be?
You're telling me I have to turn myself in?
Yeah.
For a 20 year sentence?
Or they take them right then.
Yeah.
Not guilty or, you know, boom, guilty.
And they're like, you know, okay.
Next thing you know, they're handcuffing them.
They're going, well, what's going on?
What's going on?
Because their lawyers were telling them the whole time, oh, don't worry.
It's not guilty, not guilty.
Didn't even tell them that, by the way, if it's guilty, you're going in.
Like, didn't even work out a deal with the prosecutor.
Like, look, if it is guilty, can you please recommend that we let him turn himself in?
Like, because normally they'll say no.
Sometimes they might say yes, but it's like, no.
I knew this guy.
His first name was Bradley.
Last name was Bradley.
Listen, Bradley, after a few years, he was just devastated.
I think he did like 10 years on like a 25 year sentence or something.
He just, it was just a brutal, brutal sentence that he got.
And he eventually got it overturned.
But I mean, it literally took like 10 or 11 years before he got it overturned.
His father served almost his entire sentence.
His father got like 15 years or something, literally was getting out by the time they won the appeal.
I mean, that's how long they can drag it out.
Donovan Davis, he's been locked up.
Still locked up.
Hold on.
He's been locked up.
Five almost six years.
He's at a camp right now.
I mean, this guy's six years for a seven on a 17 year sentence, and he's been fighting the entire time.
Think about it six years, completely innocent, right?
And and absolutely, he hasn't even moved on.
This is his appeals.
And this is a guy who has concrete evidence proving his innocence, right?
Oh, and it's getting worse all the time.
Yeah, absolutely.
Has concrete evidence, it's getting worse all the time.
Um.
And, and, um, yeah, I can't.
There's other stuff going on.
I'm not even going to mention on the podcast.
I'll tell you later.
Like new stuff?
Yeah.
Like you wouldn't believe the stuff that's happening.
Like corrupt, kind of fucking corrupt criminal justice.
Like don't get a shadow banned.
Yeah.
Like no, Not like that.
Not like that.
Um, just, just in general, like other things that are people, witnesses.
Like there's this one guy.
Do you remember the guy I refer to as, um, Evil Grew?
He was, he was one of the guys, one of the guys that was saying that Donovan had lied and Donovan had, Stolen his money and convinced him to give all this money and this and that and this and that.
But really, that was one of the guys who had brought in a bunch of investors.
So, let's say I'm, I forget his name, but basically, Evil Grew said, He goes to all of his friends and says, Give me money and we need to all invest money in Capital Blue.
So they all invest money.
Well, then, of course, when it all collapses and he's put on the stand, he says, Donovan is the one that came to all of us.
Well, all these guys are actually like, Donovan didn't come to us.
You came to us.
Yeah.
Well, and a lot of their money.
So, what ended up happening was this guy actually was running a Ponzi scheme himself.
He's been re indicted for stealing money from people.
He actually was raising money to get a kickback from Capital Blue to get these guys to invest his money.
Like, there's all the.
And then when he got on the stand, he blatantly lied about all kinds of stuff.
So, that guy, that's a whole thing.
Something, Avondetti or.
Roman Detti.
His name's Roman Detti.
Chris Roman Detti.
He's right now, he's indicted.
He's waiting to go to trial.
So.
There's all these other things that are happening.
There's a couple other things I can't even tell you, bro.
But it's like when I tell you what's happening, you're going to be like, whoa, good stuff.
Anyway, but yeah, yeah.
Listen, it's all messed up.
But six years?
You've been fighting for six years.
You're not even through the process.
He hasn't even, like, lost his appeal.
Like, for a new trial, his appeal and for a new trial, he just lost.
Now he's able to fight his, what's called your 2255.
You're able to say that basically my lawyers were ineffective.
And he's got a major, great case.
For his lawyers being ineffective.
But that's another three year process.
He'll spend 10 years fighting before he's exhausted his legal remedies.
10 years before.
And by the way.
Is he still paying these lawyers with his own money?
Yeah, he's still paying.
These aren't the same lawyers.
He fired them right away.
I mean, keep in mind one of his lawyers.
I mean, while he's got a wife and kids that are living in Orlando that are fucking agonizing over this process the whole time.
Yeah, it's Christy Davis.
I talk to her all the time.
I texted her a couple days, just a couple days ago, just on just new events that are happening in his case.
That's fucked up.
Look at Pete.
Pete's been fighting his case for 20 years.
20 years.
Who's Pete again?
Pete Rossini.
Rossini.
Okay.
From the Breaking Bad story.
Yeah.
They've been dragged.
We did a whole podcast on Pete.
Yeah.
It's called, I believe it's, if you search for it on YouTube, it's called Matthew Cox, The Breaking Bad Case or something like that.
I thought it was like The Real Breaking Bad Case.
The Real Breaking Bad Case.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a fucking crazy ass story.
Yeah.
That one's got like, With the dirty FBI agents.
300,000, 400,000.
Yeah, that podcast went crazy.
He's got a lot.
Yeah, yeah, with the dirty FBI agents and the whole thing.
But I mean, look at Pete.
Like, literally, think about it.
The whole thing for the U.S. attorneys, they're like, it doesn't really matter how I get the conviction because once I've got you convicted and I can drag it out 10 years while you're trying to unravel this whole thing, what if your sentence is 10 years?
Right.
Fight it.
Yeah, go ahead.
Fight it.
You'll be fighting it when you're in the halfway house and where you're home.
Starting your life over again, you'll still be.
I can drag it out that long.
You'll serve your whole sentence and you'll still be fighting it.
But let's face it, most people, when they're basically done, they're not fighting anymore.
I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of the legal bills.
My lawyers all quit.
I'm broke.
None of my friends or family will let me borrow money from them anymore.
I'm basically doing all the legal work myself.
And now I'm in the halfway house and I have to work my job at McDonald's and try and find an apartment.
Do I need to keep fighting this?
It's over.
It's over.
I'm going to lose.
I've lost.
Even though I feel I'm innocent and I've done nothing wrong, fuck it.
They're like, they're done.
They got me.
They beat you.
You can't blame them.
Right.
I mean, that's it.
So they just, they're like, I'm out.
I just want to go on with my life, reconnect with my, you know, three daughters.
And hopefully my ex-wife won't, you know, will let me see my 14-year-old.
Or, you know what I'm saying?
It's just ridiculous.
Like, and that's it.
They're just devastated.
How are you doing with all your stuff, with your probation officer and with your paying off your restitution and dealing with everything after the fact?
I love the way you're saying paying off.
It's $6 million.
Yeah, you owe that $6 million, Matt.
Paying.
Making payments.
Matt, you owe.
Owe that $6 million to the government that you stole from the government.
I don't owe it to the government, by the way.
To the banks.
Yeah.
Like 85% of those banks have all gone under.
So really, the money that I'm paying in it is going to the government.
To the good people.
I'll just keep it.
To those that you stole.
The $6 million that you stole from the good people.
He owes this to AmeriQuest, but they're insolvent and they went to bankrupt.
Should we give it back to Mr. Cox?
Hey, Matt Cox paid $20 this month.
Yeah.
AmeriCorps isn't around anymore.
You could keep it this week, Don.
Last month, I paid like $420 or something like $420.
Oh, listen.
Some of my payments are like $800, $400, $600.
Some are like, listen, I've had, here's the thing.
Like when COVID hit and I'm like dead broke and I'm on unemployment, and unemployment, of course, is only paying like $600.
Like I'm not making anything.
You have to pay your $150.
What are you talking about?
I got to pay my $150.
I made $600 on unemployment.
$150, Mr. Cox.
Or you're going back to prison.
What do you do?
I can't even eat for fucking what's left over.
Yeah.
150.
150.
That fuck off.
Thank God I was living at my friend Stacy's house and she was cooking me meals every day.
Like, I mean, listen, she didn't.
Well, you shouldn't have ripped off those innocent bank executives.
Oh, my God.
Oh, did I tell you this?
So the documentary, the one in Amsterdam.
So the guy sitting there is like, okay, we need to be able to talk to other people.
So can you give us some other names that we people, you're still in comms?
Yeah, you can.
This guy, so I'm giving them names of people, right?
Like this person, this person.
They're like, what about we really would like to talk to be able to talk to some victims?
I'm like, well, I'm sure there's someone at Bank of America you could contact.
They're still around, or Sun Trust is still around.
Well, we were thinking individual victims.
I'm like, well, there's four of them.
All single mothers.
I'm like, so you're telling me that out of the 60 some odd banks and four individuals, you don't want to talk to who lost the bulk of the money?
You want to talk to the people that lost the least bit of money that I didn't take money from, but I caused them.
To actually have to go and hire an attorney for $4,000.
You want to talk to that.
You don't want to talk to Bank of America who lost $2 million.
You want to talk to them.
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Well, you know, it's more of a.
I'm sure there's an executive you can talk to.
Like, why can't you talk to an executive?
Because the executive won't talk to them.
Because an executive won't break down and cry and tell you something.
Sob story.
I was so terrified and tormented.
I lost sleep.
Because he didn't even feel it.
Right.
It's like.
He's not affected.
His life is not affected by it.
That's why.
But that's the bulk of the money.
Like, that's what.
That's it.
That's what I did like, just talk to them.
They're like the sob story.
We're really looking for someone that will cry, yeah, we want tell you you ruined their life for four thousand.
Yeah, for you, you hired an attorney and paid him four thousand dollars and I ruined your life.
If I ruined your life, if four thousand dollars ruined your life, you were hanging on by a thread, bro.
I mean honestly, a hurricane, I did you a bad storm, something else was gonna knock.
It was only a matter of time.
Sorry, do I did I?
Does that come off unsympathetic?
Not at all.
No, I love it.
I feel, Feel bad about that.
Matt, I think we've hit a wall here.
How long have we been going, Austin?
It's only two hours.
Two hours?
Two hours.
That's a good one.
What are you getting?
What are you getting on your 35, 38%?
Something this long.
32%?
What do you mean we're talking about?
The watch that makes it all the way through.
I have no idea.
I don't pay attention to that shit.
Oh, we need to check.
Yeah, we'll check it.
We'll check it after we turn it off.
Turn it off.
I can never look at that shit.
Yeah, because the shorter ones, you'll get 41, 42.
Some people are very analytical and very into the numbers of their podcasts and stuff, which is good.
I'm sure it helps.
People like you or people like Graham Stefan, they're very into the numbers.
Well, if you have 10 years of videos cranked out and you're constantly having people watch them, yeah, that's good to look at.
I'm just not, I just don't, I never look at it.
You don't read the comments either.
I almost, I respond to almost all my comments.
Unless somebody's really, I was thinking about it last night.
I want to start responding to all my comments and just fucking responding to the trolls and just talking shit.
I think it'd be fun to do it.
I don't do that.
I'm not doing that.
Like, Honestly, I want to go start fights and light fires in the comment section.
Listen, you know what's funny is in the comment section, like some of these people will, first of all, they're hilarious.
Like a lot of them are hilarious.
Yeah, they are.
Well, that's what's great about that.
That's what I do love.
I love the comments, first of all.
I'm not knocking the comments.
I don't read them a lot because they're fucking, they're really bad for my fucking, my brain.
It makes me not feel good about myself.
But they are great because it's like a, it's like a, a creative writing contest.
Whoever can come up with like the most, Fucking articulate, hilarious comment sentence or whatever, it gets upvoted.
So the best one rises to the top.
It's like a contest for whoever can fucking nail it the best.
You know what I mean?
It's fucking amazing.
You know what I was going to say?
One of the things that happens is this is weird.
So I always click, like, post all comments.
You know how you can put, so like, hold the ones that are negative or hold the ones that are derogatory.
Like, it actually gives you an option.
Like, if somebody cusses or something, they'll, like, hold it.
I always say, Post them all.
You know, I don't care if it's the algorithm.
I don't care if it's what they say, it doesn't matter.
Post them.
So, I get a lot of times where I can on the actual studio where when you look at it on your phone, it'll show you the first few lines.
And then when I click on it to watch the whole thing, it says comment not found.
Right.
So, and I'm like, that doesn't make sense.
Like, I'll click it.
And so, a lot of times it actually still doesn't post it for some reason.
Even though I said, like, and some of the comments, like, I'm sure that they're okay.
Like that, like if the guy said something minor, I can't imagine what he said.
Well, that's just AI.
You know what I mean?
They're just like flagging shit.
They say certain things.
There's certain trigger words they'll block it for.
You know what I mean?
There's no way that anybody can monitor all those comments.
There's flaws in the AI.
Well, I mean, I know it.
Yeah, yeah.
It's got to be a flaw because some of them are just not.
And some of them, of course, some of them are fucking awful.
Yeah, some of them are really like they're pretty vicious.
Like I very quickly became hardened to it.
Yeah.
But like the first week or two after that first podcast, I remember.
I'm ready to argue.
Yeah, I remember.
I remember having a conversation.
Yeah.
Listen, I badgered some of those guys so bad they took their comments down.
They were like, literally, bro, I'm sorry.
After thinking about it and what you said, I didn't think about it from that point of view.
I have a different perspective now.
I'm actually going to edit my comment now and take it down.
Nice.
I didn't even know that was possible.
Nice.
Mission accomplished.
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I'll tell you that.
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Nobody's watched this long.
Yeah.
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Books.
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Or just.
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Or go to my channel at Inside True Crime.
Or Matt Cox, Inside True Crime.
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I remember when you were like, oh, I got a thousand.
Yeah, I got a thousand.
I was thrilled I had.
I didn't know.
I had a thousand before I even knew.
He had to tell me what it was.
I'm like, what are these little things showing up?
He's like, let me see.
Give me this.
You got like 900 subscribers.
I don't even have a channel.
Yes, you do.
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