Mike Hengstebeck examines Eric von Däniken's 40-year-old astronaut god theories, linking Mayan planetary knowledge and Egyptian artifacts to extraterrestrial intervention. The discussion covers controversial claims like JFK's assassination suppressing UFO data, the Tall Whites within government structures, and Skinwalker Ranch anomalies including 27-degree temperature drops, microwave burns, and missing water. While debating sensationalized media versus facts regarding the Pentagon's Tic Tac explanation and Zimbabwe school incidents, the episode concludes that modern smartphone usage has increased aerial phenomenon awareness despite ongoing government narrative control. [Automatically generated summary]
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Galactic Explorer Mike Hankstebeck00:13:37
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back with the galactic explorer Mike Hankstebeck, our UFO correspondent.
It's great to be back.
Lots going on, guys.
Who is this Eric Von Dannegan?
Eric Von Dannegan.
He's a super interesting guy.
40 years ago, he was really kind of a nobody, but had an idea that the aliens that people were talking about, and I guess the question that he asked, at the beginning 40 years ago, was God an astronaut?
So that kind of made the industry and science kind of take a step back.
So he started looking at things from a perspective of why is everything flying?
Why are they talking about everything coming from the sky?
Why is it always heaven?
Why are they flying carpets?
These are flying horses flying.
When you start to look at them in those periods of time, he started to believe that these were all vehicles.
These were actual vehicles they were using.
And the people at the time just didn't know. how to put them into words.
There was no airplanes, you know, so it was a flying carpet.
And so he started to travel around the world to really kind of see, okay, let's go to, one of the places he went to was a place called Puma Punca.
Puma Punca.
It's a place in Mexico.
And he started to look at some of the stones that were so cut, they had done with some sort of a tool and couldn't really understand how this happened.
Well, the Indians that had lived there for hundreds of years, even their folklore talks about the star people that come down.
So again, I mean, were we talking about gods?
And so when you start to hear the same thing over and over again, you travel to the South America and you look at the pyramids and everything there is based on astrology.
The buildings are based on astrology.
Their religion is based on astrology.
So then when you go to Peru, you find that same a sense of knowledge on the planets, on where they are during certain times of the year.
You know, obviously, you want to know when harvest is.
So people kind of just fall back on that.
But like the Mayans, one of the peculiar things the Mayans were able to pick up on, the planet wobbles.
Yeah.
I don't think we knew that until the 60s, maybe the early part of the 50s.
But the Mayans knew that right from the get-go.
So how did they know that the planet wobbles?
So are these, again, now we start to look at the bigger picture.
You start talking about, the Mayans believed in flying serpents.
So you're like, well, was it really a serpent or was it maybe these cigars that we see around today that everybody identifies with and they really didn't know have another name for them?
So Eric von Däniken really at that time, now listen, he was also ostracized.
He was told that he's, you know, all you are is just a story maker.
There's nothing real about what you're saying today.
And this went on for 40 years with him.
Today, he's a leading advocate across the board on UFOs and aerial phenomena that we're seeing today.
So he is putting on huge presentations across the nation.
Matter of fact, everything's just sold out.
There's no additional room.
There's just so many people who want to hear what he has to say.
Where'd you hear about this guy?
He was actually kind of, actually, the book that he wrote was called Chariots of the God.
So there was a movie made about it as well.
That sounds familiar.
And so the book asked questions about particular pieces of artwork.
What are they trying to represent?
One of the Mayan kings is sitting in some sort of a device and they start looking at it.
He's controlling something with his feet and he's got his hands on something and he's got his mouth on something.
And Eric von Däniken was the first guy to come out and say, he's in some sort of a craft or some sort of a ship.
He's flying it.
So people, from a pseudoscience perspective, this guy is a raving lunatic.
I mean, he's just so far out there.
And today, what they're finding out was, and I think really what he brought to the table was, he went to Egypt.
He went to South America.
He went to Peru.
And he started finding the same thing at each of these locations.
And during this period of time, there was no communication between these people.
Still trying to understand, how did the South Americans right.
Know to do pyramids.
Yeah.
How did they do this in Egypt?
How did they do this in China?
There's pyramids now they're finding in China.
They just found more pyramids in Antarctica.
There's now they're saying there's pyramids in Bosnia.
So he has literally the awakening has been something that has been obviously a long time happening, but now people are really starting to see what he was talking about.
So now you look at Peru and they had these large faces with these big eyes and you couldn't see these drawings unless you were in the sky.
So they go to Easter Island and in a cave underground, and again, I'm curious as how these guys even had light in there to do this, they carved those same faces into the stone.
Easter Island was just that it was an island.
It was 4,000 miles from any landmass.
Of course, these people are all extinct now.
They actually made these big heads and had them all surrounded on the island itself.
But they didn't, until the communication got what it is today, we didn't know that all these things were the same.
And now that they can start to travel and start to see, hey, this was the same as here, they're just calling it something different.
If you look at some of the very, very intricate carvings that were done, these were concrete carvings, obviously, and everybody was carrying a purse.
And he started noticing that this purse seemed to be universal with the Egyptians, with the Mayans, with all these different groups.
And he started talking to a NASA astronaut one day, and the NASA astronaut pulled up a picture, and all the astronauts carry this life support system with them that's actually hooked up to their system as they're getting onto the rocket.
So he's like, what if they, the people at that time were witnessing these guys carrying some sort of a life support system with them, but didn't know what it was, so it just shows up as a purse on all these different drawings.
That's so cool.
So it is.
It's amazing, man, when you really start to think about the bigger picture of it, because how could Peru know what South America was doing?
How could South America know what the Egyptians were doing?
Right.
So it just became one of these things that where nobody really seemed to do that.
So Eric von Daniken started to do that.
He started to show everybody, hey, wait a minute.
How could they possibly know this?
Was this just a lucky guess?
Did they know that the pyramid or he went to, I think one of the first places he ended up going was India.
And India had, what did they call it?
They actually had a name for it, but they looked like they were pyramids, but they looked like these flying craft.
Called?
What were these things called here?
Hang on a second.
Let me look it up real quick, Aiden.
Go through your pictures.
This is probably in there.
It is, I put it in there.
Oh, it's right here.
They're called Arunka Vamanas.
Okay, and they were actually flying vehicles.
And if you look at the towers Aiden, it's this one right here.
Look yeah, you look at the towers they built.
It's that one through India.
Dude, these towers are amazing.
They are so intricate.
There is so much going on with these actual towers That you're like, well, were guys in there with chisels?
Come on, man.
You would break off the hand.
There'd be no way you could do some of the very small, intricate work that's required to do.
So he started looking at, hey, how are they doing this?
What's causing this?
And India, even today, I think I'm going to put that on my bucket list because it's definitely one of the most amazing places on the planet to go see that makes you scratch your head and go, how could somebody do such intricate artwork?
And it's hundreds and thousands of years old.
So he started to really look at that.
So then from there, he went to Egypt and started to talk to Egyptologists.
Now, Egyptologists still don't have a view that this has anything to do with aliens.
They still believe it was all based on humankind.
And there's two beliefs in this world.
You've got the scientific side that says, hey, we started from apes and we kind of came down the the road.
And you have a religious side that says no, you know, Jesus and God did all this and made us who we are today.
Whichever way you believe, we end up coming at the end we're the greatest thing on the planet so.
And yet there's got to be more to this in the bigger picture than what's really going on.
We wouldn't have all this um information floating around today.
That's so.
I mean, look at the guys that would initially went with dr Greer.
They went to Dc, they did project disclosure.
They brought in 40 military personnel that were all verified as who they were.
Now, Dr. Greer is a doctor.
He's an emergency room doctor.
Oh, there they are.
There's the, okay, explain what these are.
Now, the center one, the Ramana.
Is that as big as you can get it, Aiden?
That is the actual craft they said they flew around in.
Oh, oh.
Now, the towers on either side are, these are structures that are in India today.
These are religious towers.
And what is that thing that goes through the center of them?
In the middle one or on the end?
In the middle one, on each side, there's like two things that go up.
You know what?
I'm not sure they showed they were trying to show some sort of anti-gravity material that would actually let that thing take off and land.
But they talk about these things flying around in their religion and actually having fights in the air, shooting each other down.
So, of course, what did the Indians do?
They designed the buildings to look just like that flying craft did.
So, I mean, is that an accident?
And if you look at the detail, I mean, these things are huge, monstrous.
And where are these at?
These are in India.
India.
I mean, just amazing.
And so that's where, from this is really where Eric von Danegan really started to put together this whole idea that the gods were really astronauts.
And so he said it's one of the best places in the world to go because so much of what they created is still there.
Now, do you think that, like, potential alien sightings back then in those times, in the times of, like, the Mayans or the times of the ancient Egyptians, do you think that aliens maybe weren't as sophisticated as they were?
Like in the 90s or in the 80s.
Because my question is because they have those packs on them, right?
Those bags that you say would be like life support.
Right.
But then you hear like stories of like the Zimbabwe encounter where there was just these aliens wearing black suits and they were just skin tight black suits.
That's all they had.
And they were standing there just telepathically communicating with them.
And I've actually heard that a couple of times.
Believe it or not, NASA has those same suits now.
They're getting rid of all the big heavy space suits.
They've gone to a skin like suit that's over your body that almost puts you like a second suit.
That's what I'm wondering.
If over the time, if we've been visited by different species of aliens.
Well, listen.
Eric von Daniken said to no avail that when the, shoot, I'm going to think of this group now, one of the groups that were coming here, they were really kind of like fallen angels.
And they were told, hey, while you're here, let these people do their work.
There's no having any sex with them.
And they actually came down and ended up having sex with us.
So they believe through gene manipulation and through these things actually spawning us, this is how we all kind of came to be.
And they believe this happened over about 50,000 years.
So there's millions of years we hear about, you know, hey, you were an ape.
I never kind of bought off on that to begin with.
I mean, you're an ape.
I said, well, why aren't we still changing?
Why aren't we still evolving?
I mean, I would think if it happened then, it would still be happening today.
I don't see monkeys getting a whole lot smarter.
Elephants aren't talking.
Yeah.
So where would that, at what point does it stop?
And also, why the monkey?
Why not the elephant?
Yeah.
Well, you know, listen, if you go back and look at the gentleman who's the one who came up with this whole concept, I mean, I'm cracking up.
His name slips my mind.
Darwin?
Darwin.
Thank you very much.
He went to the Galapagos, looked at the islands here.
He only spent. two weeks and then came up with this idea that this is what happens.
And he did this through birds that were there because birds had, the same bird that was on a different island had a curved beak so that he could reach inside these cactuses and pull out the seeds.
But it was the same bird on the other island that had a straight beak.
So he started to believe that through your environment, that's what actually changed us.
But again, he spent two weeks there and all of a sudden that is law.
We all hear that now.
We all came.
This is how we grew up.
It was chimpanzees and then we were walking and then all of a sudden now we're smart.
And so he started to look at that and say, no, that can't be.
It just can't.
It would still be happening today.
Animals would be still changing.
We would see in the last 10,000 years that something has happened to these animals.
And he goes, we're not seeing that.
He goes, so, but if you go back and you start looking at when these guys started talking about gods or there was even pictures, and I meant to get some of these as well.
If you look at the 14th to 15th century, these pictures that were actually painted and there's something up in the sky, in the back behind it, you know, whether it's the Virgin Mary and some guy's pointing at it and his dog's looking at it.
So these things have been going on for so long that people didn't really know what to call them.
And then listen, even through the 70s and 80s here, people were kind of, you're kind of a clown or a nutcase if you believed in this stuff.
The Tall Whites Conspiracy00:05:20
You know, they've come out now and said that President Kennedy was killed because he was going to release information on this.
Yeah, that's what a lot of people say.
That's a popular belief.
Well, and what they did was, and the way it came up with this was supposedly, there's a burn document that was found, I want to say like six or seven years ago, and somebody turned it in.
to a MUFON group and it talked about what is MUFON?
MUFON is the Mutual UFO Network.
They were created in the early 90s to kind of be that group that really kind of investigates, hey, what's really going on with no agenda.
They had no agenda.
It was just really kind of find out what the truth was.
So as this group started to mature, obviously, listen, it got bigger and bigger and bigger.
And now, like I said, I've actually submitted some film to these guys on, hey, what am I looking at here?
What is this thing?
They're a huge organization now, I mean a monster organization and they have um, now implemented some programs with David Greer.
To who is dr David Greer?
Who was Steven Greer or Steven Greer, i'm sorry, who?
Who was the uh guy responsible now for kind of bringing this, this whole thing to the forefront with with the 40 people that he brought um?
One of the guys that was there talked about buildings being on the dark side of the moon.
Um, he was a.
He was in the NAVY, he had a top security clearance.
He said that when they brought him in, he was going to be handling video and film that came back from combat missions.
And he goes, he got brought into a room one day.
He said, the guy said, stay here, wait right here, I'll be right back.
And he said, I hadn't even gotten my clearance yet.
And he goes, so I'm standing in this dark room where they're developing a film.
And the guy says, hey, man, you want to see something really cool?
Come over here.
So he's like, oh, okay.
So he goes, I'd go over there and check it out.
And he starts showing me buildings on the dark side of the moon.
And he said to me, these aren't ours.
So aiden, that's your fucking cue, bro.
So when you start looking at that, you know, again, going back and kind of looking at the bigger picture, like, what?
So this guy can't be lying.
I mean, is he?
Would he really get up here?
Would all 40 of these people have such fantastic stories that you would say, no, this guy's lying?
The one guy that talked about 40 different creatures that were coming here, 40 different aliens or 40 different terrestrials, ETs that were coming here, one of the former prime ministers of England said the U.S. has been dealing with a group called the Tall Whites for like the last 15 or 20 years.
I'm pretty sure this is the conversation that got us shadow banned.
So that's probably what it got in there.
The Tall Whites.
The Rockefellers are in control.
They don't want us to do the whole thing.
The Tall Whites.
They're.
Is that the word for men in black?
No.
Explain, these guys don't know about the tall whites.
We've got to educate these newbies on the tall whites.
The tall whites were a group of very Nordic-looking extraterrestrials.
Very tall, light hair, just very, very big.
There was some talk that in the early 30s that there was a guy that was basically, his name was Thor, and he was a tall white, and he was working within the Senate and Congress.
So if you look him up online and you pull him up, this guy looks like, um, a very tall Nordic slack jawed, you know, just a really good looking human being or alien, whatever.
He is like a viking, like more like a viking than anything else, like something on the Rumple Mints logo.
Yeah, very cool, I mean.
But again, so this at the time what?
Yeah, at the time when this guy from from uh, Canada came out, he said hey, I don't know, look up tall whites.
Now we're talking about tall whites yeah, the tall whites, whatever we're talking about, just try to aliens and they're aliens.
But he said that you know, Ufos were as real as planes that flare over your house.
I mean, there he was.
Just he said there's no denying it, they're there, We know they're there, whether the government wants to talk about it.
And I think, again, in the bigger picture, that if the planet, let's just say the.
These are the tall whites.
Elon Musk.
There we go.
The others talk about it.
But that.
Okay.
See the blonde next to him?
That's really kind of what they say they look like right there.
Now I see our boy up there at the top.
Yeah.
Go to that one up there.
Nope.
The next one over.
Nope.
Right there.
Edward Snowden.
Edward Snowden.
You think he's a tall white?
So, well, I mean, listen, he's living in Russia right now, and I'm sure they're going to let him stay there as long as he can continue to.
Tell them secrets because once he runs out of secrets, he's coming back to the U.S.
Yeah, they're gonna send his ass back.
I don't know, I don't know.
I don't think he, I mean, he's definitely not gonna come back to the U.S. because he's gonna go to prison if he does.
Well, I was gonna say, it wouldn't be a choice.
Yeah, it wouldn't be a choice.
They would, the Russians will hand him over, go as a hey, I know you guys want this guy, so here we're your friends.
I think the Russians are keeping him, are letting him sit there and be safe and be comfy because it's kind of like a fuck you to America.
I definitely go with that.
I definitely go with that for sure.
They, um, like I say, I think that they think they've got the upper hand.
With having a guy like him yeah, so I mean, i've listened to him talk.
He's definitely a smart guy, definitely an intel guy for sure.
Yeah um, you know, is he playing the game?
Probably um, but somebody somewhere is dealing with, and I think this is how it works out.
I think each country has found a UFO and I think that each country is kind of doing what they do to develop that information as quickly as possible, and I think whoever's running the show is kind of watching that, trying to figure out okay, who's my best student here, who's really the smartest of all the groups?
Do you think it's like an episode of Shark Tank, where they're just like waiting for the best investment?
Global UFO Awareness Shifts00:04:38
I do.
I do.
I think there's a couple things going on.
And I think we talked about this last time.
I think that when you go back and if you look at humanity and how many times we've been wiped off the planet and you're back on the planet and wiped off the planet again, and whether this is through natural selection or if it's through the Great Flood or if it's through some sort of virus or disease.
Meteor.
Meteor, whatever it was, would kill everybody off.
And then all of a sudden, somehow the Earth would repopulate.
And so today, there's more people on the planet today than ever recorded history.
Why is that?
And I think if you look at one thing that has changed more so than anything, it's the way that we develop and cast out from our cars all the carbon dioxide.
The planet likes carbon dioxide.
The trees like carbon dioxide.
So I think that we became so good at that that that's really what they wanted.
So I think we're kind of like a bacteria.
It's the same way as if we see a bug on the ground, we kind of look at it and walk over it.
I think they kind of do the same thing with us.
And I think they monitor us, though.
To obviously see what the health of us is.
You know, you want to want the bacteria to keep doing what it's doing and I think when you look at at kind of the history of mankind I mean we live near the water, We overpopulate, we destroy everything You know, if you look at a good virus or a good you know toe fungus, You know man, pretty soon, all of a sudden it's the toe fungus has taken the nail off, and I think that's kind of what happens here and I think so they start to watch that Here, recently in Egypt, there.
Now let me back up about 40 years ago in the Sinai desert.
They found this green glass And they couldn't really figure out where the green glass came from other than the guys who were head of our nuclear program here back in the States knew that when they set these bombs off in Vegas, in Nevada, that right near the center of where the blast was, the sand would melt and it would turn green.
So they came back and started looking at the rocks and were like, well, I mean, check this out.
They found one of the, on King Tut's coffin, they found this green beetle.
And they couldn't figure out where this green beetle came from.
Where did they get this stone from?
And they said it's definitely from, you know, 4,000 degrees when it takes them to melt sand.
So it's obviously a big event that takes place.
The Egyptologists have always said, well, it was a meteor strike.
Well, I mean, the ancient alien guys are like, okay, well, where?
Where did it hit?
Well, you know, the sands can cover up everything.
They cover up pyramids.
So they kind of had, okay, we'll take a backseat to this.
Four weeks ago, they found a carved picture of what looks like a bomb.
I mean, just like the A-bomb, if you remember what the A-bomb looks like, it's a guy dropping it from his hand, and on the right side of the picture is this mushroom cloud.
So they just found this.
So now the Egyptologists are going like, aha!
It's too peculiar.
I think those pictures are up there, too.
I think I gave you those pictures.
So they also had spaceships that were on there or extraterrestrial crafts that look like your traditional saucer that they outlined as well.
Three weeks before that, they found these hands.
They were steel metal hands.
They found 16 pairs that were 3,600 years old.
So it's these types of things that make you go, well, hold on a second, man.
All right, well, all right, let's do this.
How do you know they're 3,600 years old?
Yeah.
What do you think is the most legitimate, verifiable evidence that we have of aliens?
Like, I know there's all these crazy things people find, and you can find this.
Hieroglyphic of a, of a hydrogen bomb.
You know or see all these things and you can make all these these assumptions about it or all these connections to it, but what do you think is like the most concrete evidence of this stuff?
Or the most concrete like encounter or sighting, or whatever it is well well, here's the thing, no matter.
You know, it's funny if you talk about certain events people well, if I could just see what bigfoot looks like, and then you get a picture like well, that's not, that's not really him, that's not.
Oh no, I think you're gonna have a problem.
I think even if tomorrow, if aliens landed and we're shaking everybody's hand and going okay, we're here, there'd still be people going no, that's not real, That's not real.
That's all.
So I don't think there's any one event.
I think it's more when Eric Von Dennegan came out and started saying what he was saying, the scientific community was looking at him like, let's pseudoscience.
You're an idiot.
Skepticism After Alien Landing00:11:08
But for whatever reason, the rest of the planet started to get it.
They started to see the same things that he was seeing.
I mean, you know, does God really fly around on a carpet?
Somebody was flying around on a carpet.
They wouldn't have said that.
Aladdin.
I mean, yeah, so these things that are flying and there's wars going on and these things that are happening have to be looked at more than just like, well, it was just somebody's great imagination.
Well, no, that's your opinion.
But when you look at each of the cultures that are out there, they all seem to have something unique about what they do, but it's also shared.
So again, when you start looking at the stars and we start talking about astrology and we start talking about different times of the year, they all seem to have this same thing in common.
Well, they all couldn't be so good with the stars and planets.
I mean, I don't know if you guys have ever tried to track like Venus, but it's crazy because it moves so fast across the sky.
Even in the summertime, when we go from summertime to wintertime, the sun moves real quick.
And so it moves actually, the sun moves farther north.
And it does it like in a couple of weeks because as the earth starts to rotate around.
But how would you know that back then?
I mean, where do these people get their knowledge to even ask that question?
Yeah, what do they say about for them to actually, for the Egyptians or the Mayans or whoever it was that we were able to account for the equal, is it what's called the wobble?
It's called the equinox?
The equinox of the wobble, correct.
I can't remember exactly, but it was like you would need to take measurements for like over a hundred years or something like that to be able to account for the wobble of the earth.
To pick up on it.
I think it was more than that.
It was like maybe like 500 years or something.
It could have been, yeah, it could have been some crazy number because again, now the wobble happens yearly.
That's what gives us our seasons.
You know, as it kind of, you know, if the planet's like this and it kind of rocks this way, north now has become farther down and you start to work yourself up.
And it becomes a whole different.
Yeah, it's the equinox.
I mean, you can really tell by the way the light changes, too, when it starts to shift, because the way the light hits in the summer definitely hits different than in the winter.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
I mean, my grass knows it, and I can see it in the yard.
I've actually got some things marked, like where the first day of winter is and where the first day of summer is.
You can track it by the shadows.
And that's exactly it.
And I just put rocks by it, and of course, it's my own little thing that I've done there.
So going back and look at what they've done, you're like, okay, I get that.
But you know, of course the question comes up where do these cultures go where do the Egyptians go where the Mayans go?
You know, oh, they got they got mixed up with the Spanish and the Spanish had diseases and they died because That's just too convenient Mike was there a time too convenient was there a time in your life before like was there a time or like some sort of Event that happened where you just started paying attention to the sky or was it a time you just never because I can remember a time like up until recently I never pay attention or look at the sky ever during the day.
Sure.
Like, who, how many people actually take a couple minutes of the day to pay attention to what's going on?
They don't.
You're too busy on your phone.
You're driving.
You're looking at your laptop.
You're working on your computer.
Whatever you're doing, talking to somebody like very, very, I bet you less than 1% of people on the planet spend more than five minutes a day looking at, paying attention to what's going on in the sky.
Sure.
Unless you see an airplane or a helicopter or something that like catches your attention.
You got to slow down and let the light in, man.
Yeah.
Look up.
Well, I think, too, that some people, you're either, what I've noticed with some people is that they're more aware of things than others.
And it's almost a natural thing.
You know, again, kind of for instance, I'm with a bunch of guys.
We're traveling.
We're doing a big backpack trip through the mountains.
I happen to see a deer with a fawn, and they're kind of jumping around.
And she's playing with this little thing, and I didn't get a chance to stop and see the other guys yet so they could even see it.
So as I turned around to talk to them, two of the other guys were in the group had seen the same thing, but the other four were completely oblivious to it.
So some people just have that natural ability, I think, to be more interested in what's going on.
You know, stargazing.
So stargazing starts out as stargazing and all of a sudden one night you see something like, well, what is that?
Why is it doing that?
So that's where, I mean, for me as a Boy Scout, that's what kind of started for me.
Right.
We're out camping one night.
We're all kind of having a fun time and we see a, what looked like a meteorite.
And it probably was.
Yeah.
You know, but I was like, wow, dude, I can't, I can see that with my eyes.
You know, being a young guy, you don't realize that.
And so you start looking at additional things.
And even our last podcast, we talked about, I want to say it was 94.
I'm coming back from Tampa.
It's four o'clock in the afternoon, and there's this great big gray football shaped thing at the top of that tower.
I sent you that picture of wherever the building was next to it.
You talked about that in the last podcast, and there were other people coming in the comments saying they saw the same thing.
Really?
Yes.
See?
So, dude, when I saw that that time, I'm like, dude, it's four o'clock in the afternoon.
It's rush hour traffic.
And I'm looking at this thing like, nobody else is seeing that?
So I'm thinking, well, okay, it's a blimp, and it got off, and it's got caught at the top of the tower.
Yeah, yeah.
The weird thing was that the line, there was a line that went from this, whatever it was, to the top of the tower, but it was slacking it.
It wasn't pulled tight.
So I know this is a 500-foot tower.
I know that 500 feet above the ground, that wind is whipping pretty good.
So that thing would have been moving, but it didn't move at all.
And I really, I mean, you're so like, well, if nobody else is paying attention to it, it can't be really anything.
Right.
But I couldn't get that thing off of my mind.
And so at the time, there was nothing there to say, wow, it was as big as that building.
They built this 10-story building almost right next to the tower when you're coming across the outer Franklin Bridge so you can see it.
And I'm like, it was as big as that building.
It literally was as big as that building.
And so I, probably eight or nine months after the fact, I actually went to this facility.
It's still there.
There's a huge fence around it.
You can't get into the building.
You're not going to walk into it.
You have to, there's a security.
So when I rang the buzzer and the guy's like, hey, all deliveries go around back.
I'm like, listen, I don't have a delivery.
I got a question for you, though.
And he's like, yeah, what is it?
And I said, hey, about nine months ago, I saw something at the top of your tower that was either caught on the tower.
I'm just trying to confirm it was there.
And the first thing he said to me is, sir, I want you to get off the property.
I'm like, excuse me?
I'm just asking, get away.
And so he said, just said, get away from the fence.
And then he wouldn't talk to me anymore.
There was no more question coming up.
So, you know, again, was that real?
It was something.
If people chimed in, so they must have seen it also.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
You can get away with so much shit in the air because no one's paying attention.
Nobody's staring at the sky.
Four o'clock in the afternoon?
Not a thing.
Not a thing.
It doesn't even have to be that high.
It could probably just be like 10 feet in the air and people wouldn't see it.
Dude, like I said, this was 500 feet.
This was 500 feet.
This wasn't like, you know, like you're, even I watched the space shuttle flew by here the other night.
Pretty cool.
It was in a great location.
Watched the whole thing go by.
If you didn't know it was a space shuttle, you'd have thought it was a plane.
There was no flashing lights.
It was just a straight line, but it was a bright colored light.
And this thing is moving at 25,000 miles an hour.
But it looked like a plane that was moving at 400 or 500 miles an hour.
Is that how fast the rockets go?
25?
Well, the space shuttle does.
The space shuttle goes 25,000 miles an hour.
God damn.
Well, see, that's why when they have, like, a part, all this space debris up there floating around, that it's moving also at 25, it'll punch a hole.
Oh, yeah.
Right through the side of this thing.
So they're always constantly looking at space junk and trying to figure out.
But again, watching this thing go through the air, I mean, you wouldn't, if you didn't know it was coming through that night, you just thought it was a plane.
I know the people, what are you doing?
I'm watching the space shuttle fly over.
I sure are.
Whatever.
Go enjoy your beer.
Yeah.
Where were you at?
I was over in Tampa.
I was doing some, I had a lady over there I was working for.
And it was, you know, 10 o'clock at night.
It's in a great area.
It's in a very, very well-to-do neighborhood.
It's at the end of the road, right over the bay.
I've got a perfect view.
I can see everywhere.
I can see over to McDill and I can see over down to the Howard Franklin.
Nice.
Right at the point.
Matter of fact, there's no houses there.
That lot that's at the end of this piece of property is going for $10 million.
So just to give you an idea of the kind of area that I'm in.
Yeah.
But nice and dark.
I mean, I can see everything out there and just a really, really cool event to watch.
You watched it with binoculars?
No.
Just straight up.
Just your eyes, man.
Just your eyes.
Didn't have any problem watching it whatsoever.
That's cool.
So those little type of events, you know, that start to happen.
And then, you know, my son had a couple things happen.
He's like, dude, I just saw something so weird tonight.
You know, and this is in our neighborhood.
Now, if you look at this area we live in here.
Yeah, that's my problem with this area because there's not enough UFOs in this area.
If you look at the map, Aiden, if you can find the map of UFO sightings in the United States in the past 10 years, it shows you all the reports because people report UFO sightings every day.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And this is like one of the dead zones, the west coast of Florida.
You think there might be more activity with the military base because aren't they usually.
Well, it's funny you said that because I actually watched, they were doing special operations, they will run certain. vehicles at certain times of the year.
So these Ospreys they have that the Marines use for special operations.
They were flying them around one weekend.
And I knew that's what they were.
So I kind of went outside to go watch them.
And this is what I sent to Mufon.
As I'm watching this, and I had my phone out, and I'm kind of zeroing in on this one Osprey, and it's probably 25 or 30 miles away.
And I wasn't trying to videotape this, but something shoots out of the side.
I like to have the aliens zoom out.
That works.
Crucial.
See, look at that, man.
Florida's looking a little hot.
Zoom in on Florida, actually.
Florida's looking hot.
I thought they were all over on the Cocoa Beach area.
We're looking real hot right now.
Holy shit, those are all you, Mike.
That's exactly what it is.
Mike, Mike, Mike.
Dude, there's something in the air every single night.
Actually, this area is a big one.
I'm way off.
I thought what I saw, there was like none in this area.
All the ones that I saw in Florida were like centered around the Cocoa Beach area.
This one's definitely legit.
Well, listen to the picture over there.
People are more aware today.
You know, so they're kind of, they're a lot more apt to report something today than they were 10 years ago.
Everybody has a phone now, so they can pull it out and record that event as well, whatever it is.
Oh, look, the Northeast is real hot.
I mean, so, yeah, could all those people be wrong?
I have a question about the frequency.
Do you think that the increased frequency of UFO sightings has anything to do with the privatization of space travel?
Now that it's moving to individuals who might control our access to planets, moons, interstellar space instead of governments, that they might be able to influence an individual more than an entire government?
I think so.
Well, listen, the real key to the privatization of space is so that you no longer can ask legal questions to like, what's it called?
You know, you, what is it called?
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You can actually go through and ask for certain data from certain industries and ask for that data.
So, and I can't, there's an actual name for it.
I can't, right now it's slipping my mind.
But you can go in and ask this.
When you're a private individual, you're not required to give that.
Okay.
So Elon Musk, if you want to see what, I mean, there's a whole group of people that say, hey, we never went to the moon.
We couldn't go.
We didn't have the capabilities of going then, and we certainly don't have the capabilities of going now, or we would have already been there.
So they would petition, oh, the Freedom of Information Act.
They would petition NASA through the Freedom of Information Act for information.
They had to give it up.
Elon Musk does not have to give it up.
He doesn't have to release anything to you.
It's all privatized.
It's all intellectual property at that point.
Correct.
Correct.
So Bigelow is another aerospace guy.
He used to own the Skinwalker Ranch.
Skinwalker Ranch is a huge thing going on with it right now.
I don't know if you guys have been watching that, but it's really interesting.
Skinwalker Ranch is in Utah.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
It's been based on aliens, UFOs.
Skinwalkers are a Navajo belief.
And when the Utes, the Paiutes, and the Navajos were fighting, the Utes turned on the Navajos and supported the military or the cavalry at the time.
And so the Navajos were made to walk from Arizona to New Mexico.
A lot of them died.
So, you know, it's an ugly story.
But they said because the Utes did that to them that they created this thing called the Skinwalker and have cursed this area.
Well, The interesting thing is that this particular ranch, the Skinwalker Ranch, was owned by several groups who've all sold it.
The last guy that owned the place, Ray, used to raise cattle, and they were these real high-end.
So he was really involved with what he did.
He got to know the sheriff.
At the time, the sheriff liked to ride as well.
So one day they were talking, and he said, hey, I'm missing three of my prize heifers.
I don't know where they're at.
They're somewhere here on the farm, but I don't know where they're at.
He said, hey, listen, let's get together Saturday.
We'll take the horses out.
We'll go ride, and we'll go find them.
So they rode all day.
They couldn't find them.
So they came back, and he said he wanted, he was I want to go into one of the horse stables and grab a hoof scrape to get some stuff that got caught in his horse's hoof.
And he goes, when he walked over to this large room and opened the door, those three cows were in there stacked on top of each other.
Stacked how?
Stacked on, they were standing on each other's back.
Standing.
Standing.
They thought they were close to death, but the sheriff said, no, there was snot coming out of his nose and it still had like a, you could see the blood I was pumping through the neck.
He said, if you pull them down and maybe put some water on them, they might come back to life.
And they did.
If they were, how are they not limp?
Like if their legs were.
They didn't get into all the details.
He just said when I opened the door, the cows were stacked on top of each other.
Now, this is a sheriff, and he's like, the people that own the property are obviously, they're gone.
They're not even around anymore.
What are you thinking?
It's just a really funny visual to see three cows getting on top of each other.
How is that alien related?
What's so scary about that?
I mean, other than being weird.
So on the left.
That's just all it takes to free people.
I was just do something a little bit out of the ordinary.
It's pretty out of the ordinary.
Well, even when he got there, he said he never understood that the guy had locks on everything.
locks on the doors inside, locks on the doors outside, locks on the doors around the barns, locks on, he goes, everything was locked up.
And he just said, hey, it's a very dangerous place.
And the sheriff said, I'd never, you know, that's fine.
If that's your deal, then that's your deal.
So on Tuesday night, the nephew of the last owner was on the show.
And they were talking to him.
And he said, he goes, so what's it like to be out here today?
He goes, it's just weird because of all the strange things that happened.
He goes, well, talk to us a little bit.
What was really strange?
What was one of the first things you saw?
He goes, the guy said, well, hold on.
He goes, let me ask you about this.
He goes, there were three dogs that were killed out here.
And the guy goes, there was that day.
No, they were killed back in the mid 90s, okay.
And so he said, where were these dogs killed at?
He goes, matter of fact, they were just killed over here.
Let's go take a look.
So they walk over to this particular area.
And he said so well, we had heard that they had been killed.
And the guy said, well, not only were they killed, they were crushed into the ground.
And the guy goes, like what do you mean crushed into the ground?
He goes like something came above the top of them and crushed them into the ground.
There was also a big burn mark all the way around each of the dogs on the ground.
The guy goes, well, how did that happen?
He goes, well, hold on, he goes, let me back up.
He goes.
We used to see these blue uh, And he goes, We always felt they were malevolent, but we really didn't know.
And he goes, we're watching a blue one bounce down off this mountaintop, and it comes down, and it goes into the bushes.
And that's when our dog started going crazy.
So the dog chased him into the bushes.
And while we heard him yelp, and when we walked inside there, and the guy goes, oh, so this is what you heard?
And the guy said, no, I was there.
I was there the day this all went on.
He said, two weeks later, after this event had happened, because my uncle started to really think, hey, we need to get out of here.
This thing's going to kill one of us.
He goes, we're standing on the edge of the farm, and we're looking out over this ridge.
And he goes, this light comes up, and he goes, all of a sudden, it looked like a a door opening and he goes.
It opened up.
Three items flew out of it.
He goes, they flew and he pointed to a bunch of trees and he goes.
They flew all over to these trees and they were right down in the trees, whatever they were looking for, and he said they stopped doing that and they flew back into the hole and the hole closed up and it was gone.
So you got a question.
No this, this particular show.
What they were doing is they used a thermal camera.
They brought in a rabbi and this rabbi began to say a prayer that was based on portals that could open portals.
He said, So, as he's going through this prayer, they've got this thermal image camera on this place, and all of a sudden, within mere moments, they have a 27 degree drop.
The whole front of the building became cold.
Now, this guy is an astrophysicist.
He's like, I don't know what's causing this.
This is the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
So they walk down there, and the guy's like, dude, it's like I walked into a refrigerator.
It's literally that cold here.
He goes, are we looking at some sort of a portal?
I see an eye.
I think it looks like an eye.
Is that a portal?
Maybe we're just only picking up on the residual effects of it?
So there's something again now they're they're they're tying it in with Bigfoot They're tying it in with all the skinwalker animals these skinwalker animals have the ability to change themselves into dogs or Bears or some animal like birds And so all these different events have been going on now they're trying to figure out a way to measure this well,
they kept finding all these crazy Microwave that were bouncing all over the place and some of them were borderline dangerous one of the guys they were told hey no digging on the property And the guy's like, what do you mean no digging on it?
That's ridiculous.
This is a ranch.
I got to put poles in the ground.
This is ridiculous.
So he decided one day, I got work to do.
So he starts to dig a hole.
Almost at the same time, he said, I got the worst headache that I've ever had.
He goes, it matter of fact, got so bad I had to go to the hospital.
Got to the hospital, had a bump on the top of my head.
He goes, the fatty part of my skin had separated from my skull.
And the doctor said, I've never seen anything like this in my life.
He started talking to other guys and he goes, that's what microwave energy will do to you.
So somebody was shooting some sort of a microwave energy beam at you and hit you in the head.
And that's how they got created.
So on the last show, they started digging and they finally realized that some of this energy was magnetic.
And they were bringing in different devices and testing it to see what it was.
And they started digging again and some weird things started flashing.
And he said, there's something moving underground.
Now, whether this is salt water and it's moving particles, but we're picking up something that's moving and it's moving pretty good.
At one point in the show, they deployed.
They dropped 45,000 gallons of water into this crack and they don't know where the water went.
And this guy said, Well, this is some sort of a pathway or maybe it's water, but there's something going on here that's real.
So they actually started digging there.
And of course, that's where the show ended this week.
So it just gets.
Where do you watch this?
It's on the History Channel.
Is that the one with the guy with the crazy hair?
The same channel.
That's Ancient Aliens.
Yeah, that's a different show.
Same channel.
Gotcha.
So, like, I tried watching that show.
Like, all these stories sound fucking fascinating.
And I wanted to watch it.
And I, you know, I watch a lot of documentaries on this stuff.
And when I watched the front, my problem with it is I want to believe it so bad.
But then, when I watch an episode of that show on the History Channel, it is just so produced and sensational.
I'll slice it up.
Oh, sure.
And the graphics are the downfall of this show.
We know what it's like.
We know what it's like.
We have experience making those shows.
Absolutely.
We've done that before.
They're following a schedule.
They have a crew where they have, okay, at 12, we're going to go dig over here, and we've got the phone that's going to go crazy, and we've got to do that.
No, no.
I mean, there's so much that you have to coordinate.
Absolutely.
But listen, the phone's going crazy.
That's nothing you can do.
Like when the guy holds one phone up, he goes, Whatever's happening right now is getting around my password.
I think you could do that.
You could do that.
You could definitely do that.
Listen, NSA can't do it.
Yeah, but you can do it with a video.
You could make a full screen video on your phone and you can show it.
Listen, okay, I get that.
But listen, these guys are security guys.
I could make you one.
The one guy, well, and listen, again, I'm sure there's guys out there that could do this.
But here's the problem.
And I agree with what you're saying.
They're definitely telling these guys what to see.
Now, the security guys are not the sharpest bunch in the group.
And the last thing you want these guys doing is just having some dumbass thing drop out of his mouth because, hey.
It has nothing to do with anything.
You said the security guys, like the security guards there?
Security guards at the ranch.
Yeah, I've got security guys there.
They work at the ranch?
They work at the ranch.
Okay.
And his basic job was Bigelow is the owner of it now.
Pull up a clip on YouTube of the show.
It's called Skinwalker Ranch on the History Channel.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Or The Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.
I got a clip.
But he can play it on the TV so we can view it.
Sounds kind of sexy.
Can I send this to you?
Skinwalker Ranch?
The Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch.
Dude.
It is, let me tell you, dude.
Where is it at?
Utah, you said?
It's in Utah.
Is it all inclusive?
So, like, like Sunnyvale.
Well, listen, when you see this guy tell the story about the dogs getting crushed into the ground, yeah, those are facts.
So, there's no way you can really dress that up.
Is there photos of it?
Not so much photos of it as there is the people who initially reported it.
So, there's just reports?
Correct.
Correct.
Now, and the question.
I find it hard to believe reports.
Well, and again, listen, I'm with you.
Even the guy that's out there told you his name is.
He's a physicist, astrophysicist.
What would you believe?
Besides, like, your own eyes.
Here you go.
I mean, so, okay, all right.
See, he's the astrophysicist right there in the background.
Sure.
This is his chance.
This could be a guy.
He's one of those guys who made a bunch of money, and he goes, How could I be famous on TV?
I'll buy the Skinwalker Ranch, and I'll sell a show to the history of the show.
And he's got the money to expose it.
That could be it, bro.
But listen, that's it.
Now, here's the other side of the coin.
When the last family that owned the ranch, they found material on the ranch that was extraterrestrial.
They took pictures of it.
Now, in the last show, they actually brought it up.
They brought it into the gun.
They go, so what happened to these things?
We sent them to Bigelow, but Bigelow won't give them to us back.
Now, Bigelow said in the first show because Bigelow's doing real research on it.
He's not trying to sell shows to the History Channel.
No, no.
I think this History Channel stuff and these sensationalized shows like this do a disservice.
To what's actually going on because I think they make it look like a circus act.
They turn it into a circus.
Well, don't forget, nobody has that perspective that you do because of your job.
So when they watch this again, what they're trying to do is get the story across without having too much drama.
So the story is something's going on.
Yeah.
And it has been going on for 40 years, 50 years.
But that show to me is like over dramaticized.
You know what I mean?
With the characters, the music, and the names and the music and setting everything up.
Everything's on TV, it has to be.
Yeah, you got to sell ad space.
That's what it's all about.
You can't sell the History Channel a boring show.
That's what the History Channel is.
It's just boring shit about history.
It's history.
The History Channel is not boring.
That show's sick.
That's one of my favorites, man.
Especially with stuff like this.
I've smoked a few joints, watch that channel.
It's not better than Trailer Park Boys, but I mean, it's the next best thing.
Yeah, but you're not trying to learn anything.
Right.
Except for how to retire at 35.
By the way, I watched the first episode of Trailer Park Boys.
That's the most mind numbing show I've ever seen in my life.
It's great, isn't it?
It's such a waste of time.
I hate it.
Especially if you're burning the fatty sitting there and just enjoy it.
Like, I get it.
I get it.
It's all good.
Yeah, so like I say, the facts are the facts.
Whether, like I say, when you start looking at what, hey, I don't want you to say this, I want you to say that because.
You're a knuckle drager and you're looking like an idiot.
You're making the show look stupid.
So, last thing I want to have is a bunch of hillbillys walking around the set.
So, if I tell you what to say, it's going to put you in a better, better sense.
Again, like you said, you're going to sell commercials now because it looks good.
But the facts are what they are.
The numbers, the information.
You know, he's bringing gauges that read these microwave energy.
When he got burned because he pulled the top off of a, like a sewer, just to look inside it, the guy said, hey, man, don't do that.
Don't take that off until we get a reading.
And he took it off.
He goes, oh, never mind now.
He had radiation burns on his knuckle and above his eye.
So, he had to have surgery on his knuckle to have some sort of bone growth taken out the second he goes, yeah, the doctor told me that these radiation burns is exactly what it looks like when we treat people with cancer on radiation.
Same difference.
Wow.
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So, okay, so before we got to the skinwalker subject, you asked, what were we talking about?
We were talking about, you asked the question about like Amazon and stuff.
Oh, the privatization of spaceflight.
Yeah, what was it?
What were we, what was it?
Do you think with the increased volume of space sightings, UFOs, whatever you want to call it, does that coincide with the privatization of spaceflight?
space exploration and everything that's going on in the private sector to try to own the space experience?
And is it easier to influence an individual over entire governments?
Is it easier to influence an individual over entire governments?
What do you mean by that?
So like having a sit down with Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, is that easier to control him or try to work with like aliens?
From the aliens point of view.
So would they be coming and like seeing what we're doing here?
Is it more convenient for them to try to negotiate?
With an individual who owns a company versus entire government.
Maybe Elon is an alien.
Well, there's talk about that as well.
I mean, hmm.
Or maybe he's one of them.
Maybe we are.
I showed Danny one.
Of course, one of the big talks that I hear all the time are the reptilians.
The reptilians.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I sent Danny.
That's one of the most bogus ones, in my opinion.
Well, like I said, now.
I like that one.
Well, it sounds ridiculous.
I can say it like a.
Kid's story.
I like that episode.
Very interesting.
And listen, until you go here, a guy in Houston, Texas has a heart problem.
So they bring him in.
They realize all of a sudden that he doesn't have a four chambered heart.
He has a two chambered heart, just like a reptile.
Yeah, but that could just be a defect.
Some people are born with two heads.
He had a tail, too.
He had a tail.
He had a tail.
Can we find this guy?
So I sent you the information.
I saw that one guy that was on the Discovery Channel that transformed into a cat.
Yeah, but that was surgery.
That guy was fucking.
I've seen the guys with the horns.
They put them on.
Like plastic surgery.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
So this guy was like born that way.
What about.
Oh, no.
There's something about Mary.
That guy had a tail.
Yeah, he had a tail.
Well, I couldn't figure out, like I say, where does that heart come from?
How does that happen?
Is that part of the genes?
A man with a two chambered heart and a tail.
Four or two?
Like we have a four chambered heart.
He had a two chambered heart.
Or maybe he was like planted here by the aliens and they didn't give him the correct model of human.
I mean, the whole idea of the reptilians, of course, you know, I told you, if you look at.
I showed you that guy's eyes.
Yeah.
That's how I said he.
He looks like a cat.
Dude, I mean, they said when you're looking.
At these particular individuals, and you're looking at them on camera, you can see that they have, they have like the pupils aren't round, they're kind of like slitted eyes.
So, you know about this?
So, I've seen some videos of this on YouTube.
You think it's real?
I mean, I couldn't confirm or deny if it's real, but.
No, I'm asking you.
I don't want you to confirm or deny.
I want to know what you think with my opinion.
I think it's possible.
I don't know.
Just watching the video.
Sounds like you're afraid of commitment here.
You're really afraid.
I'm really afraid to have an opinion.
I'm just not sold 100%.
Shane's afraid to have an opinion on anything.
Look, would I bet on it?
I wouldn't bet on it.
So you wouldn't parcel it?
Sometimes neutral is a good thing, though.
But I'm open for more.
More data on it.
Yeah.
For sure.
You need to see what the odds are.
Well, listen, we look at suspects.
Something's going on.
Well, listen, when you look at the Navy talk about it, and now there's even been a show that came out that talked about during Vietnam that there was actually a unit that was a riverine patrol boat that got into a gunfight with one.
And he goes, when they started shooting at it, it shot back and then blew this vehicle out or blew the boat out of the water.
And when the investigation was done, the strange thing was that all the material they found in the boat was from the boat.
The rounds that hit the boat were from the boat.
Mm hmm.
The missile they launched was from the boat.
They were able to actually turn this thing around and use it against them.
And again, these are military guys.
It's one of the strangest stories you ever hear.
But there hasn't been one story that I've ever heard that I'm like, wow, that sounds really interesting and true.
It's always the worst or the weirdest thing ever.
When this group of Project Disclosure came out and the one guy said, hey, there's 40 different type of aliens we've had contact with here, it sounds ridiculous.
Yet there's 40 of these guys.
This is all about pressing Congress to listen to this whole Project Disclosure.
We want to disclose the fact that UFOs are real.
Each of these guys that got up there, they told these unbelievable stories.
And you're like, come on.
I mean, really?
But yet, there they are telling a story.
They were proven of what they did in the military.
They proved they had the background.
They proved they had the security clearances.
You had the guys there from the aviation FAA that were there.
They were talking about events that had taken place.
And that the CIA came in and said, listen, this never happened.
I was never here.
And the guy started laughing.
Of course you're here.
Of course it happened.
We wouldn't be having this meeting if it didn't.
So there's obviously something going on in the bigger picture.
Definitely.
I've heard we are, our technology right now is like 400 years ahead of everybody else.
So when you look at like David Field.
What do you mean everybody else?
The rest of the world.
The rest of the world.
America's technology?
It's 400 years ahead of everybody else.
What technology?
Anti-gravity.
Okay.
I never even heard of anti-gravity until this year.
Until Bob Lazar.
Nope.
Bob Lazar didn't bring it up.
No.
He talked about anti-gravity, but nobody ever said we have anti-gravity that's here and working and we're dealing with it now.
That whole, with David Flavor, with that tic-tac, they say that was ours.
We're doing that.
Some people say that, yeah.
Well, the group that just came out said, that's ours.
We're going to come.
But again, which group?
Don't know.
Through the U.S., out of the Pentagon.
It was the Pentagon saying that.
The Pentagon said that that was ours?
That was ours.
None of it's ET.
No, no, no.
I think it was the New York Times article just came out two weeks ago.
It said that the headline of the New York Times article was, there's no evidence that this is alien.
Correct.
But it also didn't say we said they don't know what it is they came out and said it was ours Well, is it really ours?
Who's who's really saying that?
But at the end of the day, they're definitely saying it wasn't an extraterrestrial and they but they also said the New York Times article also said they didn't know what it was right But now all of a sudden there's more photos of it coming up some other girls now have actually videotaped it from they were staying on the ground videotaping it So this is a new videotaping the tic-tac yeah,
where flying between some mountains She's like what is that I don't know what it is but you look at it and you go like that's the same I was on TV about two weeks ago David Favorite, you say now that looks at the same thing that Favor saw that day that he was flying the plane.
And it's just going, you know, flying right through the mountains and just buzzing along.
Is there a video of this?
Oh, yeah.
The girl that took it, she didn't know what it was.
Now, nobody said in the show that it was the tic-tac, but when you look at it, you're like, dude, that's round.
It's long.
It looks just like what he was talking about.
There's no flying, no wings.
And like I said, there's just so much information coming out that it's hard to stay up on it and stay where you need to be.
Is that right?
It seems like a full-time job.
Oh, it's definitely a full-time job.
Well, because listen, too, there's a lot of fake stuff going on.
I mean, they were talking about now about drones and numbers that are going up in the air.
They just recorded 14 UFOs around a Navy ship.
About a month ago.
The Navy still doesn't know what they were, but they were all over the ship.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw that on the radar or on the.
You know, again, was that us?
Was it not us?
You know, are they trying to do that to see how these guys are going to respond to it from a military perspective?
I don't know.
My favorite out of all of the recorded encounters, I mean, like the abduction stories are crazy with Betty.
Those are good.
Yeah.
Betty and Barney.
Barney get abducted.
You see what it's like?
I want it.
Have you heard the Betty and Barney White story or the Betty and Barney Hill?
And then who is the other guy?
Who's the dude who we were talking about the other day?
Yeah, there's a couple of guys.
The guy who was in Arizona who got abducted.
We were talking about it on the last podcast.
Anyways, but out of all of them, my favorite one is the Zimbabwe story because there's like 25 people who all had the same exact story.
Oh, dude, there's more than 25.
Actually, it's like half the school saw it.
Yeah, so in the 90s, like 1993 or something, A spaceship landed in a field outside of a school in Zimbabwe.
Allegedly.
And all 20 of the kids saw.
So we don't get shadow banned.
We just walk out and it's just there.
Allegedly, thanks.
So we don't get shadow banned.
No, here's what they did.
They actually went back to the school and they brought back all the kids there.
The story is fucking bonkers because they got.
A psychiatrist came and interviewed all the kids and they were all between the ages of like 5 and 10 or something.
And they had to draw pictures.
And a psychiatrist had them all draw pictures and talk about the kids individually.
Individually.
Right.
Separate from each other.
And all the kids had the same exact fucking story how these little creatures, childlike figures, came out of this space, this saucer, and stood there, and they were like within 10 feet of them.
And they all, or a couple of them that were closest to the aliens, they said that they had these like visions in their head of like technology is bad, technology is going to be like the downfall of the human race.
And there was no like verbal talk, but they all like had these thoughts of like how technology is bad.
And they thought like now they're discovering it.
They were just, they just, there's this documentary just put out where they interviewed them now and they're all like in their 30s, 40s.
And, um, and they're all like, you know, recalling what happened back then.
And the story hasn't changed after all this time.
The story hasn't changed at all yet because they interviewed all the kids back in the 90s and they just interviewed them again just now.
And they all like have been thinking about it ever since.
And they believe that it was just, you know, the aliens.
Telepathically communicating with the kids, thinking that they could get the message across to humanity that whatever.
Well, those aliens need to practice what they preach if they're using crazy technology.
That's what I thought.
Bunch of hypocrites.
They are a bunch of idiots.
But maybe ours is going to destroy us.
Get the fuck out of here.
Terminator.
Whatever.
Everything's going to kill you.
How are you going to come down in some crazy anti gravity spaceship and travel thousands of light years and say, You know what?
Technology sucks.
Don't use it.
Well, here's the interesting thing.
I'm a little highway now.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
Well, one of the guys I was talking to, and he was.
We were talking about this whole thing because I don't think they're flying millions of miles.
I think they're here.
But I also think with these portals.
And he said, you know, if you think about, he goes, just think if you were a fish, you were in the water, you were looking up, and I took my boat and set my boat in the water.
Now you can see the bottom of my boat from the fish's perspective.
Oh, yeah, look at that.
He goes, if I pick that boat up, in your mind's eye, that boat just disappeared.
So now I bring that boat over here and I set it down over here.
You're like, check that out.
How did it get over there now?
So he goes, so what's ever on the other side of reality is that.
And he goes, so these things are moving around and sort of that same ideology.
He goes, but.
They're here.
They've been here all along.
They're not traveling millions of miles.
There's more dimensions they can travel in.
It's different forms of matter that we probably can't even see.
Right.
Like water, air, time, gravity.
Well, they just showed that one of the interesting things was this pilot in Alaska.
He said he's been there for 40 years.
He goes, I've never seen anything like this.
They had a volcano erupt.
And he goes, So I'm flying some customers out to a place where they're going to be hunting.
And he goes, I look over the volcano and he goes, We kind of were gutting a big path because it had been puffing out some smoke.
And he goes, But something in a cloud.
that was trying to hide in the cloud but was doing a terrible job at it, you could see it.
Like a fat guy trying to hide behind a tree?
That's exactly it.
So he started taking pictures of it until it went into the volcano.
Damn.
And then later, he said about five minutes after that happened, this big green orb came out of it.
He took pictures of this green orb.
He goes, listen, I'm not saying they're UFOs.
I don't know what they are.
But whatever was going on was going on.
It was definitely for sure.
So I think the orbs, just like we saw, because they're seeing more identical to what we saw that day, uh, on other tv shows now with drones, so whatever the drone is able to do, whether the drone is making a noise it likes to hear, because all these things, that one that you took the video of changed directions and came up towards that.
Remember you thought hey, someone's shooting at my drone yeah, and even when I was watching this, somebody said that I laughed, um, because this whatever, the first one came by it close and the second one, like dude, came by it real close right, and I just refer to them as dirty cotton balls, but I think those, whatever they are, is that's part of the earth, man, the earth is a living entity and they are here protecting the earth, whatever they are, because they seem to be always.
I've got I'm trying to get this from Tyler.
I took a video about four years ago of this thing.
It was night, was in the wintertime, very cool out, the sky was crystal clear and there was this ball of light and it was literally look like if you had a laser and you were just kind of waving it around and I'm like what the hell is that so the one thing that I noticed if I took my camera out and I tried to follow it, what I noticed was, if I took that camera and held it like on a planet and I moved it, it looked like the light was moving And I was actually moving the camera.
So that's not going to work.
So I had to position the camera to get this thing to fly through it so that you could actually see it.
Right.
And I managed to do that.
So whatever this thing is, and it was funny, I had the feeling like it's having a good time.
It's fun.
It's like it's playing in the wind, whatever this thing was.
But that's what I feel these things are.
Now, the extraterrestrials that are coming here, if you go back and start looking at the Anunnaki and you start really looking at the Anunnaki hard, they talk about they took us as humans because Yanunaki and the Sumerians didn't want to be mining all this gold.
They ate gold back then because they said, listen, our bodies are electric.
By eating gold, man, it just absolutely makes your body the most perfect.
The way the system operates is just absolutely perfect.
That's what I tell myself when I drink a bottle of gold slager.
There you go.
It's that gold slager doing it, baby.
It's expensive.
So when they would do that, he said, so they decided they didn't want to dig for this gold anymore, so they started breeding with us.
And he goes, what they did was they changed the DNA and they made it so that.
We thought about nothing but gold.
We really haven't changed a whole lot.
We still think about gold today.
More so about Bitcoin.
Definitely about Bitcoin.
Where's that going right now, anyway?
Down and up, down and up, down and up.
Travis Walton Gold Eating Theory00:09:19
It's going nowhere fast.
No.
No moon?
It was halfway there and then it took a U turn.
I forgot my keys.
Damn it.
I have my phone at home.
Actually, yeah, it was Elon and Saturday Night Live really tanked Bitcoin.
Oh, that sucks.
Did they really?
I'm surprised that he did that because he's such a big guy involved with Bitcoin.
Yeah.
No, he said it wasn't energy.
Environmentally.
Environmentally friendly the way they mine it.
The carbon and all that.
Oh, there's so much computer processing power.
But he did shout out Dogecoin, I think.
Yeah, that's what he wants to win.
I laughed too because he said something in his last interview and somebody yelled something from the crowd.
And he goes, I don't know.
I think it's 420.
And everybody kind of chuckled through the crowd because when he smoked weed on Joe Rogan, oh, everybody was like, oh, your stock's going to drop now.
I'm like, his stock is going to drop me for the day.
Yeah, exactly.
Drop for the day.
Come on, man.
The whole weed thing is ridiculous.
But there's talk now that he is an extraterrestrial guy.
No, but he's not.
Whenever people ask him about extraterrestrials or UFOs or aliens or whatever, he thinks it's bogus.
He brushes it off.
He's like, I don't even think about that.
Well, because I don't want anybody looking at my jeans.
I want you to get away from me, dude, so I'm nothing of the kind.
I don't even believe in that shit.
It's funny that a guy like him doesn't believe in it.
He's like, if you can't find a picture or a video that looks like it's at least shot on a modern day iPhone, he's like, you can stop wasting my time with it.
Yeah, I think that's just part of the propaganda.
Yeah, that's kind of suspect that he's flying around in space, not personally, but he's got all this space.
He's got a car in space waiting for him.
And he doesn't believe in aliens.
I'm not buying it.
There's got to be more to it.
I mean, there just can't be just us.
When you start looking at the bigger picture and what's really going on, you know, of course, we talked about this before.
I've never had a nightmare.
I don't have nightmares now.
I couldn't even tell you what a nightmare is.
But when I was like 11, I had something come in my room one night, and it was more than one.
They were short.
They were small, and it wasn't this big head stuff.
These kind of looked like, this sounds funny, sounded like a log.
And they had real long, flat heads.
And I don't know, there was probably six of them maybe that came in my room.
I tried to scream for my mom.
Why my mom?
I don't know.
You think you would scream for your dad in that case, but I was going to yell for my mom.
And I still remember it today, but I could not get it to come out.
And it sounds ridiculous, but one of them put a raincoat on and was dancing around my bed in it.
I mean, why would they do that?
Doesn't this sound scientific at all?
I mean, was it really somebody in my room that night?
I don't know, but it's the only time, and here I'm 60 years old, it's the only dream I ever had that I still think about today.
Yeah.
So, you know, did I have a, wasn't it a delusion?
I mean, dude, I could have told you I was wide awake.
I don't remember what I did the next day.
I don't even remember when I remembered this.
I don't remember if I told my parents about it, but it was definitely one of those odd things that I, you know, listen, and I've never had a nightmare.
I don't have it today.
I think about this often, you know, but I couldn't tell you, hey, yeah, by, you know, it was definitely an alien.
It wasn't anything traditional that you see or you hear about.
And I was 11, so I wasn't really predisposed to even know about that stuff then.
I wasn't really interested in it then.
Yeah, yeah.
It wasn't until I was 14, became a Boy Scout, and we were kind of, you know, doing the whole stargazing thing that you start asking questions.
And then that's crazy that you remembered that for so long.
Yeah, I mean, here I am.
I'm 60, and I was 11.
I mean, come on.
So, you know, again, was it real?
I don't know, but those are the type of events that start to form your reality to kind of make you think, okay, what's going on here?
What is this really all about?
You know, the day that I saw that thing up along the radio tower, looking at that kind of all, what the hell is that?
I mean, it's got to be something.
I saw it.
You know, it wasn't the guy that was abducted in the 70s, Travis Walton.
Travis Walton, Travis Walton, the guy who was abducted and then reappeared.
I mean, that is also extremely detailed.
You know, it's impossible to cut that to discredit that story, especially of all the people that saw it.
Well, dude, the guys were there, Rogan, that you showed, yeah, that's what I was showing you, yeah.
The interesting thing about him is he also has similar stories to like your story about in your bedroom.
Like he has a story about after he had kids that he told that how he woke up out of a dead sleep one night running full speed to his kid's bedroom.
Like he, I don't know how that happens.
It's never happened to me.
I've never woken up in the middle of the night running, but he says he's never sleptwalked before.
And he was running to his kid's room and he woke up and he just, he finds himself in his son's room and his son is like, They have the bunk beds, and his kid was like halfway off the bunk bed with his neck stuck between the railing.
So his kid was like a minute from being suffocated to death.
Wow.
And he said he saved his kid's life.
If it wouldn't have got there five minutes earlier, he would have been dead.
And see, what makes that guy so credible?
He has these stories like this.
Yeah, dude.
People like him.
Oh, his story is super credible about the abduction.
But that story, obviously, you can't prove.
Well, listen.
But it's just interesting that he has those.
It wasn't even his story that I heard that made me go, oh, wow.
It was the guys who left him there.
When they saw that thing grab him and he needs a back arch, they said, we're the fuck out of here, man.
They left.
So for me, because those guys were all ashamed of themselves.
When they first left him, they didn't even want to tell anybody they left him.
They were all ashamed that they had left him out there in the middle of this woods.
So initially they thought, hey, maybe these guys murdered him.
And I think he came, it was either three days or six days later when he popped back up and everything.
And then all of a sudden, like, hey, there he is.
So to me, again, very credible.
When you talked about Betty and Barney.
Yeah.
Again, dude, very credible.
I remember hearing about them in the 70s.
They when they first came out with that whole thing and it was out.
I think it came out in the 60s really, but I remember hearing about it in the 70s and, of course, being a black and white couple like that, a mixed race couple, the last thing you want to do, and especially in the 70s, is come up with some crazy story to make you look like some crazy black guy.
You know right, right.
So he stuck to the story um, and then you know, as time went on, they were actually bringing more, like he said, um.
One of the odd things with him was that he didn't understand originally, because he's still trying to put everything together was the top of his shoes.
The toes were all dragged through the shoes.
All they were gone.
There was no leather there on the right the very tip of the shoes.
And when they put him under to talk about the event, hypnosis or whatever.
Under hypnosis, he said that he floated up and as he was going forward, he was dragging his toes along the ground to the ship.
And he didn't remember that until he said it.
And he said, oh my God, because he had a picture of the shoes.
And he showed, here's the picture of the shoes.
She, they tried to take her dress off of her.
But they didn't know what a zipper was.
So they started tearing the dress and pulling on it.
Didn't know whether it was a second skin on her or what it was.
And so when she got back, her dress had all these weird tear marks in it.
And her dress is still around.
I think the shoes are still around, also.
I remember the thing that stuck out to me the most about the Betty and Barney story was that she remembered asking one of the things that abducted her, where they're.
She's like, who are you and where are you from?
Or where are we?
And the being responded to her telepathically and said, if you don't know where you are right now, it would be.
It would be worthless for me to tell you where I'm from.
Like, she's having a conversation.
Right.
You know, they stuck a needle in her stomach.
Yeah.
And she said, she got all freaked out when that happened because she's like, you know, what's this all about?
And the guy said to her in his mind, hey, the warning's not going to hurt.
She goes, it still hurt.
But he was talking to her mentally and said, hey, you know, this isn't going to hurt.
You'll be okay when it's all said and done.
They took semen from Barney.
You know, he didn't want to tell anybody that.
Like, you know, that's weird.
How did they take the semen?
How did they extract it?
Oh, yeah, that was a hell of a visual.
Like a long finger to tickle the prostate?
Do you like this?
How about that?
Probably just, listen, it probably gave them a good shock.
Yeah.
They couldn't just wave a hand over it.
Probably.
Like I said, I'd hope to never find out personally.
Don't touch my junk.
What would you do if you saw what Travis Walton saw?
If you saw a saucer hovering 50 feet above the ground, would you run to it and hope that it vacuums you up?
Or what would you do?
I definitely wouldn't run to it.
I think I would eventually say to myself, aha, I was right.
I think that's the first thing I would say.
But I'm too aware of radiation and how these things are flying.
When the one.
That they had in Britain when the military.
But Travis, they cured him.
That's why they pulled him up because he ran in and he got hit all that radiation, right, which would have killed him.
Sure.
And his theory is they brought him up just so they could fix him and heal him and then they dropped him back off.
I mean, listen, if they grab me, that's a whole other story, but if I have any say so on the matter, I'm going to be standing as far away from you as I can say.
So you're not going to try to get beamed up?
No.
Okay.
No.
Okay.
No.
Beam me up.
You just want like a picture and proof.
Not like.
I just want them to wave at me through the window.
Hey, okay, we're good.
So maybe if I could bring my gun with me, it would be okay.
Yeah.
Do you think that would help you?
Not really.
What if you get up there and then there's like one of those stickers that says, like, no guns allowed?
Exactly.
Damn it.
Damn it.
I can see that.
No human guns.
I can see there's some space weed up there.
Yeah.
What's that about?
Like some space drugs?
Cuban Mission Gun Restrictions00:01:06
It's funny, man.
You know, I read a story.
I wrote a book called Janissaries.
I was in the Navy.
And it was kind of bizarre, man.
It's about a military group.
They go to Cuba to do this.
They're going to kill like the leader of Cuba.
It's very classified.
They get.
Brought in and they get landed.
What they don't realize was they were just set up and the U.S. was going to leave them there and let them get killed.
And it was going to be this big, you know, coup d'etat that was trying to take place.
And this is what happened.
And so while these Americans are fighting, I said, dude, I don't think anybody's coming for us.
I can't get anybody on the radio.
The ship lands.
And they're all like, what the hell is that?
He goes, I don't know, man.
But the door opens up and a voice says, come on, let's go.
The guy's like, dude, I'm not going.
Are you going to stay here?
So there's this command argument going on.
These guys are going to get wiped out by the Cubans.
So they finally decide to get on this thing.
And they all get on it.
They all jump into it.
It takes off.
And they're all kind of talking to each other, looking around.
Where the hell are we at?
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