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May 21, 2025 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Did the Big Beautiful Bill Get... Less Beautiful? ft. Rep. Chip Roy
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show from the Bitcoin Mobile Studio.
Andrew Colvitt in one last time for Charlie, who is coming back from England.
He'll be back tomorrow.
And we play some of the clips from Cambridge.
We're getting our first drips of new content.
Charlie debating the woke Cambridge students.
It's lively.
It's fantastic.
You're not going to want to miss these clips.
Then we bring Chip Roy in for the one big, beautiful bell debate.
He's a no.
I think he's fighting in good faith.
Hear him out.
Hear what he wants to see happen with tweaks to this bill.
I certainly am sympathetic to a lot of his points.
Give it a listen.
And we've got to get this done.
We've got to get this one big, beautiful bill passed.
The trick is what tweaks need to happen between now and then.
Hear Chip Roy out.
And then the coup de grace, the finale of this episode.
President Trump holds the president of South Africa accountable to his face.
In an Oval Office scene you will not want to miss.
Buckle up.
Here we go.
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
I want to thank Charlie.
He's an incredible guy.
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Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
This is your guest host for the day, Andrew Colvett.
I'm the executive producer of this fine show.
Honored to be with you today.
Lots of news, lots going on.
Charlie is traveling through the UK.
He's going to be back tomorrow in studio, barnstorming Great Britain, going through Cambridge and Oxford.
So we are now seeing some of our first clips from the Cambridge debate, which was...
Basically a bunch of libs versus Charlie.
It was about 400 to 1. Some of those clips are pretty fantastic.
So we might play some of those here in this first segment.
I want to set the stage, however, for the news of the day.
The one big beautiful bill, they want to have a vote on it, maybe even tonight, does not look like they currently have the votes.
Andy Harris, who is the chair of the House Freedom Caucus, is saying that the bill got worse overnight.
And why?
It's because of the SALT additions.
So unfortunately, SALT has pushed the conservatives and the hardliners, budget hawks, that I'm very sympathetic to, further away from that deal.
And yeah, I'm getting emails.
Thank God he wasn't arrested.
Yes, Charlie Kirk was not arrested in the UK.
Thank goodness.
But he just debated.
Cambridge, Oxford students, and instead of focusing on their own country, by the way, he just sent a note to me, and the decay of their own country, they're obsessed with Israel.
Israel is what everybody wants to talk about at Cambridge, which is unfortunately very sad.
News on the Marco Rubio front.
He just dressed down the Senate.
That was fantastic.
One big, beautiful bill.
We've got the Golden Dome.
Deportation news.
All of that is still very much happening.
So why don't we start with Charlie?
I'm feeling the lead to start with Charlie.
This is Charlie.
I'm not exactly sure which this is, but let's play 3-1-1.
This is Charlie talking about how he wants to see Britain be great again.
For the three conservatives that are here tonight, I hope you guys get your mojo back.
This was once a great country.
I want to see it great again.
You guys are a husk of your former self.
You guys, you can laugh and sneer all you want, but the country that split the atom and invented the steam engine and eradicated slavery and brought common law to the world can do a lot better than this.
And you are, your existence led to our existence, and for whatever I can do, I hope that this country, Be proud of your heritage.
You've done good for the world.
Stop apologizing.
Get your energy.
Get your vitality.
Get what made England and made Great Britain such a phenomenal place.
I hope you get that back, and I hope that you reject the swan song of multiculturalism and get back to the fundamental truism that a strong Britain means a strong world, and therefore a strong West, and we can stand up for what is good, true, and beautiful.
Man, what a breath of fresh air Charlie Kirk is to the UK.
Amen!
Get your mojo back!
The country of Churchill!
Margie Thatcher.
So many proud British points in history.
So many proud Britons that have paved the way and pioneered a way and gave us this country.
Let's not forget.
In the British Commonwealth, when it spread across the world, all of those colonies that became their own countries and got self-rule and all these things that went through British colonialism are succeeding far...
Beyond those of the French colonies, the Spanish colonies, the Portuguese colonies, the Belgian colonies.
The British people have a proud history, and we need to remember that.
Now, here's another long clip.
This is the Charlie Kirk show, so this is an ode to Charlie Kirk.
So you've condemned the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as a huge mistake.
Correct.
Why do you believe it was a mistake to pass anti-discrimination legislation, and what do you think would be better policy for being treated fairly unequally, which you see as an American principle?
Nothing against the intent, but it was too broadly written, and it played into something called disparate impact.
Disparate impact was woven within the Civil Rights Act, and disparate impact basically says if two racial groups have different outcomes, the answer must be racism.
It does not allow any legal nuance.
So there are four components to the anti-racist regime of America.
I don't pretend to know what goes on in this country.
I could just talk about America.
I'm sure that's fine.
And it's four components.
Affirmative action, critical race theory, DEI, and disparate impact.
Those are kind of the four components.
All of them have their subsection.
The Civil Rights Act led the way to affirmative action, which is weaponized, quote-unquote, reverse racism against Asian and white people.
And the Civil Rights Act also blazed the trail for disparate impact as a legal theory, basically saying that if black Americans are doing worse in a group, it might not be because of marital differences or cultural differences or single motherhood issues.
It must be racism.
And so because of that, the Civil Rights Act was too broadly written.
So the intent, it should have been a single-page or a two-page bill to say that you cannot discriminate against based on the color of somebody's skin, period, end of story.
Instead, we get a multiple hundred-page bill with lots of chapters and lots of lesser-known amendments that created basically a permanent anti-racist bureaucracy within our federal government to go find racism where it doesn't exist and create it in new places where it otherwise did not exist.
Oftentimes, Charlie will get asked that when he's in liberal settings.
You know, what's your problem with the Civil Rights Act?
Obviously, nobody has a problem with the intent of the Civil Rights Act.
We believe that everybody should be treated equally under the law.
However, we've talked about it as well that the Civil Rights Act was largely a second founding of America.
Modern Americans probably have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act than they do for the Constitution.
But in some ways, the Civil Rights Act overreached, overstretched, and created bureaucracy that allows men in women's restrooms and locker rooms.
So good for Charlie.
I love that he stood on it.
And there's another story that's going on in the UK right now that's really interesting.
There's a woman named Lucy Connelly.
Go ahead and throw that image up.
Lucy Conley is a British woman.
She was jailed for 31 months, all because of a tweet that she posted that was quickly deleted.
And the tweet, you know, we don't have to like the tweet.
We don't have to agree with the tweet.
But she deleted it.
She showed contrition.
Lucy Conley has been jailed.
She's a mother.
I believe she has a 12-year-old child.
Her husband has been left to care for this child.
There's been zero leniency.
Yesterday she was denied her appeal to get out of jail.
And the tweet was something along the lines of, and she was upset about the immigration situation and some of these facilities.
There you go.
Master deportations now.
Set fire to all of the hotels full of the, I guess, the illegals.
Using American parlance, for all I care, while you're at it, make the treacherous government and politicians, and take the treacherous government and politicians with them.
She deleted this tweet.
It was just a tweet.
And she's been jailed for incitement.
Now, the Britons that support this, they think that this is just the guardrails around healthy, productive speech.
Well, this is not.
This does not meet an American threshold for incitement, in which case you need to say a specific place and a specific person and a specific means.
That would be incitement in the American context.
This is just blowing off steam.
She's upset about the mass immigration into the UK, which a lot of Britons are.
And she's been jailed for 31 months and no leniency.
Meanwhile, child rapists in the UK have roamed free for decades.
Two-tier justice system.
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Charlie is going there with a message of freedom.
He's debating people.
He's bringing the same verve that we've taken to college campuses, these islands of totalitarianism in the United States, taking it to the other side of the pond.
But I just want to finish one thought here on the Lucy Connelly.
Go ahead and put her picture back up, guys.
Lucy Connelly issued a tweet.
Maybe it wasn't the best tweet.
I don't know why there's black bars in that picture.
Maybe find another one.
Maybe it wasn't the best tweet.
It wasn't the nicest tweet.
She took it down.
She showed contrition, which, by the way, she didn't even need to do.
I don't think it was incitement.
She was blowing off steam.
She's upset about the mass immigration, which millions of British citizens are upset about mass immigration.
And they are, you know, she gets arrested, stripped of her liberty.
There is no free speech if that is allowed to happen in the UK.
Now, all these people, I've been watching the Twitter, there's, of course we have free speech.
That's absurd to say we don't have free speech.
Lucy Conley did not have free speech.
And if Lucy Connolly does not have free speech, then there is no free speech in the UK.
It was a harmless tweet.
Maybe it was not a great tweet.
She would admit that it was not a great tweet.
But she took it down nevertheless.
You know, maybe a fine.
Okay?
And there's a lot of these other people in the UK, they're able to get, you know, like house arrest at the very least so they can be with their kid and help their husband out who's got to go to work, make a living.
Absolutely insane story.
Free Lucy Connelly.
And by the way, Charlie has promised to bring this issue up with the State Department and see what he can do.
I'm going to play one other clip here from Charlie.
He went on GB News, and he's talking about this very issue.
Have you had a lady called Lucy Connolly since you've been here?
Of course.
I talked about her yesterday, and no one knew what I was talking about in Cambridge.
Who are you talking about?
The students didn't know?
I mentioned her because I did the research.
My team did an amazing job.
And I think she just had her petition denied today.
In the last hour or so today, it's Tuesday today, she's had her appeal denied.
So she's going to be carrying out her two-and-a-half-year sentence for a solitary tweet, which she deleted four hours later.
What's your take on the whole situation?
Well, I'm going to try to get the U.S. State Department involved.
I don't know if, you know, what their bandwidth is here, but I'm sorry.
Like, again, I'm speaking as a citizen, not as a U.S. government.
I just want to be very clear.
Like, is this a way that a liberal democracy and an ally of the United States acts?
Just to be clear, what she said.
I don't like what she said, but she showed contrition.
Well, there's two parts.
The first part where she said, like, I don't want immigrants in my country, perfectly acceptable, that's fine.
You can say that, you're allowed to have that.
I think there was one part about, like...
Potentially, like, violent whatever.
Well, she said, let me clarify what she said.
Yeah, I want to be clear.
So I think by the time she sent the tweets, some asylum hotels were in the midst of being burnt down or their Molotovs thrown through a window.
She tweeted, burn them down for all I care.
You're allowed to say that in America.
So the argument is, was she inciting violence or was she reacting to the images she was seeing?
You could.
And by the way, just to be clear, you guys have the wrong incitement threshold.
In America, you need to have specific time and specific place in order to reach the incitement threshold.
Every day people say, you know, well, someone should go kill Charlie Kirk.
I don't like it.
But that's protected speech.
In America, we care about what you do, not about what you say.
And then she showed contrition and she apologized.
And from my understanding, when the police force showed up to her door, they asked her questions being like, you know, do you think that, do you hate immigrants?
No.
She gave, like, very satisfactory answers and they still arrested her.
And I just find it so outrageous that she's going to now jail for two and a half years for a deleted social media post that she apologized for.
As you guys have birthed free speech to the world, you now guys are becoming a totalitarian country.
You birthed free speech to the world, you're now becoming a totalitarian country.
Well said, Charlie Kirk.
The threshold was not met.
This is an outrageous over-sentencing.
And by the way, I will say, you know, the UK is so screwed up.
I mean, Tommy Robinson got...
We found out is going to be released from prison in the UK this week.
And what happened?
The judge forced him to delete his documentary off of X that had tens and tens of millions of views about immigration, about Muslim immigration specifically, which is a no-no in the UK.
You're not allowed to not appreciate Muslims coming into your country in the droves.
This is a big story.
It's across the pond, yes, but we need a rebirth of freedom around the Western world if we're going to stand against all of the forces that are coming against the country.
So good on Charlie.
I'm really proud of what he's doing.
This is cultural suicide throughout the West, and we need voices, strong voices from the West that know how to win, that know how to be forceful, and take it to our friends and allies and remind them of who they are.
Remind them of who they are.
You're the people of Churchill.
Stand up and be strong.
Stop apologizing for yourself.
We'll be right back with Chip Roy.
We'll be right back.
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Alright, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvin in for the one and only Charlie Kirk who's headed back.
Now I'm told from across the pond, so he'll be back in the chair tomorrow.
With me right now is the great congressman from the great state of Texas, Representative Chip Roy.
Welcome to the show, Congressman.
Thank you for taking the time.
I know there's a lot going on right now in Capitol Hill.
You guys are in the middle of a very contentious debate.
Why don't you give us the latest?
I saw your colleagues that are sort of on the budget hawk side are saying the bill maybe got worse overnight.
Tell us.
Give us an update of what happened and where we stand.
Well, I wouldn't say the bill got worse.
What I would say is the prospects for the bill got a little bit worse last night.
I mean, look, we were here all night long.
I'm on the Rules Committee.
In fact, they're still meeting.
I'm looking over the screen right now.
And, you know, we're continuing to try to work through the bill.
We've had multiple meetings with the Speaker.
But what happened was, look, there's a core problem that we have that we want to wrestle with.
We believe that the money laundering scheme.
That has been built into the entire Medicaid operation is inflating the cost of health care while making vulnerable people suffer while they're filling the roles with able-bodied, and we need to change that.
And we've got to end the scam where you've got these provider taxes that get put in place and inflate all the prices and make it harder for you to get health care and put vulnerable people on wait lists.
We think you've got to change that or you can never get the cost of health care down.
So that's what we're trying to do.
It's not even about getting more, quote, savings.
I'm always looking for more savings.
But it's about changing that system so you can keep prices down and make the system work.
And then in the end, that will save a lot of money over time.
But right now, our primary concern is that you've got that issue and you've got a lot of front-loaded deficits with back-loaded savings.
We're trying to compress that with Medicaid work requirements.
We've had progress with changing some of the green new scam stuff.
We've had progress, but we need to go further, and we need to fix this Medicaid stuff.
We're close, but last night it kind of went off the rails.
We had an agreement with the White House.
We put it up, and we kind of worked it through the Speaker's office and the leadership team here, and we're not getting anywhere with it, so now we've been a little derailed.
So that's what today's about, is trying to get that back on track.
And Congressman, what happened around midnight?
You had a deal in what respect?
What did you guys come to an agreement on?
What changed, and do we believe we can get back to an agreement?
Yeah, well, we had an agreement on a basic set of terms that, frankly, was on the margins of what we want, right?
Like, we want some substantive, really transformative reform so that people out there watching this, you can get cheaper health care.
Medicaid can be better.
What do we think that looks like?
Getting rid of that ridiculous seven times federal funding for the able-bodied over the vulnerable, right?
We should fix that.
Well, that got taken off the table.
So what we'll do last night was a small tweak, okay?
That means shrinking down and limiting what we call provider taxes, which are the ways that the providers game the system, inflate the prices, and they get federal government dollars to fund those and inflate the prices.
We want to shrink that because it will help everybody.
So we made some progress, said, okay, we all agree.
Let's drop it a little bit.
And so we did.
And we had a couple of other changes.
I won't get the weeds on.
And we thought it was a good deal.
So we took that forward.
The other thing we got...
We want to stop the fact that about 40 or 50% of the green news scam subsidies continue.
So we got a little bit shrinking down of that.
That's it.
We didn't ask for a ton.
But we thought it was paramount to move in that direction.
So that got, unfortunately, kind of taken off the table this morning.
So we got to get it back.
Yeah, Congressman, I want to go back to this 518 tweet.
So May 18th, you said...
You know, and this was the day you voted president.
It was big news.
But you got the bill through committee in that.
It was a big hurdle.
So you did that in good faith.
But you said it fails.
Okay, so you talk about this Green News scam.
It fails to end the Medicaid money laundering scam, and then it fails to roll back the Green News scam.
Didn't every single Republican in the House vote against the Green News scam?
Now, why would there be any...
Any tension from the Republican caucus, the conference, to not roll that back immediately?
Why are we delaying that?
Because what happens is, when you create a government program, then what happens?
People then start getting jobs and make money off those programs.
So then you have members of Congress going, whoa, whoa, whoa, we don't want to undo that.
My view is, look, we stop these subsidies.
Those people will transition to where we want them, which is to...
Natural gas-fired plants, nuclear-fired plants, reliable energy, other forms of power supply.
And rather than continuing to carry out putting solar panels and wind out there, which is unreliable and heavily subsidized and can't actually make the market without the subsidy.
So we want to get the subsidies out of the way.
But people get their pet projects.
The same thing with health care.
Once you start putting the programs out there, like take, for example, expansion states.
After Obamacare...
40 of the 50 states expanded.
So now they have these massive roles that are growing on Medicaid.
Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, another six states.
We didn't expand.
So we're over here saying, hey, we're trying to save health care freedom.
And these other states are getting these massive, you know, subsidies for the able-bodied.
And we're saying, that ain't right.
So we want to fix that both for parity, for our states, but also for the country.
So that's what happens.
You put people in the dole, those rolls explode.
That's the real story here with Medicaid.
The rolls exploding because we're doling out money.
And by the way, unlike Medicare and Social Security, there's no tax for Medicaid.
It just comes out of the general fund.
That's why Medicaid went from $400 billion in 2019 to $600 billion this year and is scheduled to be $1 trillion in 2030.
Last point.
Full disclosure, my Republican colleagues, we have made progress.
The bill has moved the needle.
We've added work requirements, but we had to fight for that during the budget fight this last weekend.
They weren't good enough.
We made it better.
We're trying to close the deal.
We're almost there.
But to really make this work for President Trump and Americans, we've got to close the deal.
Yeah, and Congressman, I believe we've known you for a long time.
You've been a friend of the show.
You've always been very generous with your time.
I mean, I genuinely believe that the base wants more cuts.
The base wants more cuts, and it's putting everybody in kind of an awkward position because we want President Trump to get his bill, and we know he wants it, but we also know that actually what you guys are fighting for is in so many ways consistent with the things that we've heard him say, we've heard come out of this administration.
Why this...
Why this arbitrary deadline of Wednesday to push this vote?
We're not even going to have a CBO score.
I'm here.
Andy Harris, House Freedom Caucus chair, is saying that it's not going to pass right now.
So why push this in this way if we know we don't have the votes yet, but we're close, and people like you are working in good faith to get this to a point where it needs to be?
Well, it's always a double-edged sword here.
Like, you want to use whatever you can to try to move a bill through, get it done, get it over to the Senate, because we still have to work through them, get it back.
So I understand why the Speaker wants to move it.
But whenever you play these pressure games, these jet fumes holiday games, I think things get a little bit dicey, and you run the risk of them all exploding.
Do I think we can get the bill done?
I still do.
But we've got to get some changes.
So, you know, we go down to the White House.
We're going to have a good conversation, hopefully, with the president, with this great team.
We've been working in good faith together.
And, by the way, with the Speaker's team, there's no animosity here.
All this is is a team that's all trying to work to get the job done.
You know, remember there were some great scenes where, like, Peyton Manning is yelling at, like, Jeff Saturday on the sideline in a game.
But they're good buddies.
They get a beer afterward.
Like, look, we're in the heat of battle, and we're kind of yelling at each other on how to win the game.
But the president's the quarterback.
We're all out there, and we're wanting to follow and go get the job done.
But we need to do it the right way.
And we have a role here in Congress to do the same thing.
So that's the goal, and we hope we'll try to do it.
But we've got to get it done the right way, not just to get it done.
Yeah, Congressman, to be clear, however we do this bill, whether you guys get your concessions or whether the moderates get their concessions, this is going to expand the deficit, correct?
Okay, well, it depends on your perspective on that.
I'm a just facts guy.
I don't want to skew it.
If you take the CBO score and you assume the economic growth that I think you and I and a lot of us believe in, we assumed about 2.5% economic growth to create about $2.5 trillion of revenue over 10 years.
If you assume that growth and you factor that into the CBO score, you would assume we would actually have deficit over 10 years would actually go down by about $100 or $200 billion.
It's kind of finger in the air a bit.
But it's heavily back-weighted.
So a lot of deficits in the first five years.
Not enough deficits.
I mean, not enough, you know, I mean, the savings is all in the back here.
So I'm concerned.
That means we get all of the, you know, desserts and we get none of the, you know, spinach.
And we need to actually get that done the right way.
So to answer your question, they're going to say a lot of things.
The Democrats, oh my God, it's like $3 trillion of additional deficits.
I don't think that's right.
We believe economic growth comes out of low taxes, low regulations.
I'm with the president on that.
I'm with my Republican colleagues on that.
But I can't just assume it and then assume that we're going to get all the savings in year eight when we're going to be having a $450 billion deficit in 2026.
Even with dynamic growth, they assume that much deficit.
I've got a problem with that, and we're trying to squeeze that out and get expenses down.
What about tariff income?
Is that factored into the CBO score as well?
So it's not, and that's a variable that I think is important, right?
But we're not factoring that in because you can't, right?
It's not a law that we voted on.
The president can move those levers around, so you can't fully count on what that would be.
For example, if he's successful in telling Venezuela, hey, you're tariffed unless you take our illegals, you know, your illegals back, or, you know, if we're doing tariffs in China or whatever, and you start making success, well, then those revenues, they're going to go down.
So we can't count on them permanently, but we know there's revenue coming in.
So in the back of our minds, we're going, eh, okay, that's good.
Factor that in.
That's why I can accept some amount of early deficit numbers if we get the growth and the trajectory in the right direction.
But that's what we're trying to work on.
What about, so the SALT deal, right, which was worked on overnight, they got it to $40,000 with a $500,000 income cap.
Over 10 years, but then it doesn't snap back, apparently, at the end, right?
But I'm hearing that this thing is dead in the water in the Senate.
There's no blue state Republican Senate, at least not many of them.
It certainly would have issues in the Senate.
I recognize and believe that.
I would also note that while many of the president's priorities, like no tax on tips and extensions of the expensing from the tax cuts in jobs at, end in four or five years.
These go all the way through 10 years and would score $350 billion.
I don't think that was the right deal to cut yesterday by the Speaker.
I think that was a mistake.
The President yesterday morning came down and he said to Republicans, look, you Freedom Caucus guys, you've got to help me out here.
Let's focus on waste, fraud, and abuse on Medicaid.
We can't go the whole hog.
And he said to the salt guys, hey, you're not going to get more salt.
Let's keep it where it is.
Well, then we get a deal cut with the salt guys, and I'm going, hey, wait a minute.
We're over here and we want to try to get this done for the good of the country.
I'm not looking for, you know, a parochial tax benefit.
And by the way, as a Texan, there'll be some of my constituents who would benefit from their assault deal.
I just don't think it's a good deal.
If our taxes are too high in Texas, we should go down to Austin and say, hey guys, cut the taxes.
Don't ask for the feds to subsidize it.
So we got some work to do.
Hopefully we get this Medicaid stuff done today and land the plan.
But it does need to change.
Now, Medicaid, to me, I mean, people don't realize, Medicaid is the fastest-growing portion of the federal budget, and we are actively incentivizing really good states like Texas, Tennessee, Florida, because we're making the math not make sense for them to keep being disciplined.
So we're going to incentivize them to grow the roles further.
Once they come on, as you made a point, Chip, they're going to stay on.
It's going to be harder to get them off.
Chip Roy, yes.
Thank you for fighting for balanced budgets.
Thank you, sir.
See you guys.
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Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk.
There's an incredible moment happening right now inside the White House.
I have the team pulling the clip.
So President Trump has the president of South Africa in the Oval, and obviously there is a lot of controversy, I think wrongly placed controversy, over the Afrikaners being granted asylum in the United States.
People don't like it because they're white.
Let's just be honest what it is.
So President Trump just dimmed the lights in the Oval Office, played this clip for...
The president of South Africa, brutal videos of South Africa's leaders calling for the killing of white South African farmers.
He shows the burial sites of the farmers.
At some point, there must be killing, you can hear him say in the video.
And he literally dimmed the light and made this man watch the videos with his eyes.
So we are having a kind of a Zelensky 2.0 moment happening within the White House right now.
It's pretty remarkable.
We're going to get the clip.
We'll play it back so you guys can all hear it for yourself.
I mean, but what a powerful moment.
This is something else.
So we do have some B-roll of it.
But, I mean, he did it to his face.
Zelensky 2.0, to his face.
You never know what you're going to get with President Trump in an Oval Office.
We've just simply never, ever seen anything like this.
But yes, white South Africans, there's the clip right there.
White South Africans are getting targeted.
Their political leaders are chanting about killing them.
They are being murdered.
There's been scores of them murdered and targeted.
And President Trump is putting an absolute spotlight with moral clarity.
On the plight of white South African farmers being targeted because it has been the balkanization, the tribalization of this far-left ideology, this race hatred that has been allowed to just fester and grow in South Africa.
Good for President Trump to shine a light on it like no one else could.
So do we have this clip?
I think we almost got this clip.
So we've got it.
So President Trump is sitting in the Oval Office.
With the leader of South Africa, the president of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa.
And he's sitting in the White House with him and he dims the lights and he forces him to watch videos of South African political leaders calling for the death of whites.
Right to his face.
Turn the lights down.
Turn the lights down and just put this on.
It's right behind you.
There's nothing this parliament can do.
With or without you, people are going to occupy land.
We require no permission from you, from the president, from no one.
Now this is very bad.
These are burial sites right here.
Burial sites.
Over a thousand.
Of white farmers.
And those cars are lined up to pay love on a Sunday morning.
Each one of those white things you see is a cross.
And there's approximately a thousand of them.
They're all white farmers.
God bless President Trump.
President Trump, I want you guys to appreciate what you just heard or saw is a truly historic moment.
It is history unfolding before your eyes.
No other U.S. president would have ever pulled anything like that.
And God bless him for it.
It's the contrast to Joe Biden could not be more stark.
To feeble, decrepit, wandering, rudderless Joe Biden.
Whose morality had been so twisted up because of all of his far-left staffers and all of the constituencies and coalition members that he had to cater to.
There was no moral clarity, and now we have moral clarity.
In another way of saying it, President Trump is actually the leader of the free world.
Not only is he the center of the political universe, he is actually the leader of the free world, which goes back to what we talked about with Charlie being in the UK.
We are calling the West back to itself.
We are calling all of the West back to itself to return to its former glory.
And South Africa needs to live up to its own morality here.
Nelson Mandela, love him or hate him, most people seem to love him.
He fought for...
A more race, less colorblind, less South Africa, where everybody was free, that has been twisted and contorted and bastardized by the new political movements that want to take back land from white South Africans.
They want to harm and hurt them.
President Trump is shoving the truth right into Cyril's face, the president of South Africa.
And J.D. Vance going to Munich and calling Europe back to its liberal values, the liberal values that we share in America, of free speech, of equal application of the law, of colorblind meritocracy.
Trump bringing the receipts to the White House.
Never sleep on President Trump when he's got another foreign leader at the White House.
What a historic moment.
This could be part of The spark to reignite Western civilization, a Western civilization renaissance to remember who we are, to remember our greatness, and to never apologize for that greatness, but instead boldly grow it, go forth, and make our countries wonderful, great, free, prosperous, and rich again.
Nobody should be able to take that away from us.
It's our history.
We should own it.
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