When God Speaks, Listen: An American Success Story ft. Ben and Corley Spell
Charlie sat down with Ben and Corley Spell of Good Ranchers to hear their moving story of how God intervened in their lives to help them start their company, raise their children, heal a frightening medical diagnosis, and grow their faith. It's an inspiring testament of faith and family that will leave an impact. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com! Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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A very powerful and spiritual conversation with my friends, The Spells, and they run Good Ranchers.
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It's a story of faith and healing and how Corley was diagnosed with something very brutal and potentially tragic, and she trusted God, not her doctors.
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Okay, everybody, here for a very special conversation.
Two friends of mine I haven't seen for quite a while.
Ben and Corley Spell from GoodRanchers.com.
And we're going to talk all about Good Ranchers this entire hour.
But first, I want to say welcome, guys, to the program.
Thank you.
We're so glad to be here.
So God has really been present throughout this entire company and this journey.
And if I understand correctly, Ben, you heard from the Lord to start this company in the first place.
Is that right?
That's right, yeah.
Yeah, I was a worship pastor at a large church in Houston, and I started getting just this pull on my heart to do something else.
I love ministry, I love music, and I loved working at the church.
I did it from the time I was 19 into my mid-30s, and I started feeling...
I just started thinking I wanted to do something else so I didn't have to take a paycheck from the church.
That's what I thought I was looking for, was make a side hustle, even though that wasn't a term.
It's very much a term now.
So I thought, well, what could I do on the side to supplement my income to where I could maybe just volunteer for the church?
Again, not that it's wrong to get paid by church.
It's a real job.
I have a lot of pastor friends and stuff.
Watching a lot of Shark Tank and getting different ideas and things and started having this idea of a meat company and started kind of telling...
I remember the first time I told Coralie, man, somebody should do this, this, this, and this.
And even though I was praying for those ideas and praying for God to give me something else, the first time it came, you know, clueless man, I am.
I didn't even...
It didn't even register for a second that that was something that we should do or something that was for me.
And so I remember sitting at dinner with Corley saying, you know what?
I bet if somebody were to do this, this, this, and this, they could be pretty successful.
And then we just didn't think much of it.
And over the course of about a year, every three or four months, I would have these ideas of starting a meat company, which I knew nothing about meat, nothing about agriculture.
We had no money.
And at the point where we finally said, where we finally listened and went and went and did it, we had just had our first baby boy.
This was at the end of 2017.
And I was getting ready.
It was a Sunday morning.
I was getting ready for church.
And all of a sudden I started having these thoughts of this meat company.
I always say that God told me to start a meat company, but what the words I actually heard in my head were, you do it.
And it struck me to my core.
And I'm not, I want to be the first one to say, like, I'm not this, like, God goes around talking to me type person.
Yeah, yeah, that's, you know, what parking spot to get or kind of things like that.
But I say it with a lot of conviction because...
It wasn't an audible, heavens open up, you know, I'll go start a meat company.
It was just, you do it, and it just struck me to my core.
And so I came out of the room, and I went over to Coralie, and I said, God just told me to start a meat company.
Again, we had a three-month-old baby boy.
I was expecting her to look at me and say, what are you talking about?
We don't have any money.
We don't know anything about meat.
We don't know anything about running the business.
And instead, she looked back at me and she said, if you heard God, then I trust you.
And was that an audible here?
No, like I said, it was not audible.
It just was in my spirit, loud and clear.
You do it.
And so she said, if you heard God, then I trust you.
So we did just that.
We went out.
I didn't know anything about anything.
Selling meat out of the back of a truck in a parking lot in Waco, Texas.
The side hustle began.
The side hustle began, yeah.
And went from one truck to two trucks to three trucks to four trucks.
And then that was in 2018.
And we were really blessed.
We were really blessed right off the bat with people showing up and stuff.
And then I have a very curious nature about myself.
If I'm going to do something, I really want to study and learn and learn everything.
I'm very competitive, so if I want to do it, I want to do it right.
So I started reading and studying and reading and studying about agriculture and about meat.
And in 2019, we realized that there's no country of origin labeling law, which we talk about it all the time.
We're going to talk about that more.
Yeah, for beef or for pork in the U.S. And we went, whoa, that's not cool.
And then lo and behold, we looked at all the stuff that we were buying at that time, and almost all of it was imported, even though it was USDA inspected, product of USA, and those things.
And so going into 2020, we made some new connections.
Supplier connections and drew a line in the sand and said, you know what, we're only going to source American-born, raised and harvested meat, which is actually harder than you would think.
And so we went into 2020 with setting up for that goal, still selling meat out of the back of trucks.
COVID happened that year, which was really crazy.
We've realized we've got to get online.
Which we were kind of, you know, in the future, that'll be there one day.
But, yeah, we...
When you say you were selling meat at a back of church, what do you mean by that?
Right?
What does that mean?
Yeah, I know.
I was buying, like, just prepackaged boxed beef from, like, a broker.
There's people that still do this.
Once COVID happened...
People started coming out of the woodworks doing that sort of business model.
It's kind of existed for a long time in small towns.
And so we used that model to build the brand and grow.
And that was the idea I originally had.
I saw people doing that and I thought, man, I bet you could actually...
Because by and large, almost everyone, I don't want to say everyone, but almost everyone doing that model is selling...
Really, really, really poor quality and just lying about it because, you know, they can.
It's kind of fly-by-night, shady kind of deal.
So we set out, let's do that, but build a brand around it.
Let's sell quality.
Let's source quality.
The thing is, we didn't know how to do that originally, and that was the thing we had to learn how to do.
And so once we realized that...
The country of origin labeling law was such a thing, and we realized that there were so many marketing terms that didn't mean anything.
And so as we started, we set out to go, okay, we want to know who we're buying from.
We want to know where the meat's coming from.
We want to see how they're being raised.
We want to see what they're being fed.
We want to touch that.
And once we started doing that, that's when our quality went just night and day, made a night and day difference, and that was in 2020.
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So we started seeing really good success, like I said, out of the trucks.
And then we decided to go fully online in 2020-2022.
And that's when we actually started sponsoring your show.
You were our first podcast that we ever sponsored.
Yeah, we love telling people that too.
Yeah, and we just saw huge success online.
And this was, again, this was in 2022, so it was after that COVID online boom.
But through 22, through 23, and through 24, and even now into 25, which has only been four years, we're seeing just a steady increase.
And subscribers and customers because there's a real difference when you source correctly, age correctly, package the way that we do.
So yeah, I'm trying to tell the most abbreviated version of the story possible because the second part of this story, which is why we're here, the main reason of why we're here is we want to get to, which is Corley and her health journey.
Yeah.
So before we get to that, you started selling out of the back of trucks, scaled it, all the Lord.
Was there ever a moment where you're like, what am I doing selling me?
All the time.
How did you make it happen?
How did you make it work financially?
Because I'm told by people all the time, you can't start businesses anymore.
It's impossible.
Yeah.
I say this pretty regularly now when people ask, and I don't mean it.
I don't mean it.
I mean, it was zero trite.
I think it was ignorance.
I think ignorance had a lot to do with it, meaning we didn't know what we didn't know.
And I was foolish enough or faithful enough to hear God and go and trust that...
That we'll figure it out along the way.
Last year, there's a verse in Proverbs that really stood out to me, and it's, Commit your work to the Lord, and He will establish your plan or your path.
Looking back, it's easy to connect the dots, right?
Or hindsight's 20-20.
But what I realized is, We committed our work to the Lord, and He established the path.
And we didn't really try to put together this massive plan.
We just knew that God said, go do it.
And so we started doing it.
And it's just one step after the other, just doing the right thing, trusting that God's going before us.
And I know that sounds kind of easy, but...
It was never easy, but it was also never really hard.
God was faithful.
The right doors opened.
The wrong doors closed.
Even as being able to sponsor your podcast, which your podcast has been tremendous for us, but I don't know if you remember this or not, because we had done a little bit with it before we were online when we were still selling out of the trucks or with your show or something.
And then we stopped.
And then once we got back online, you actually approached us, or your team approached us, because we weren't really thinking about it, but another meat company reached out to you, wanted to advertise, and you said, hey, will you call those Good Rancher guys, because I've done some ads for them before, and I'd rather just keep with one person.
And we were like...
Oh, yeah, let's do that.
And so I can kind of testify even to that was God kind of working things out because we didn't come back to you and say, hey, Charlie, you actually came back to us.
And that was extremely successful for us once we started online because the marketing for online was completely different than how we had to market.
The other way.
And so then we started putting together the dots from you to Allie Beth Stuckey to some folks at the Daily Wire and then Glenn Beck and just kind of other things.
We really didn't have this elaborate plan.
It just kind of pieced together little by little.
So then tell us about the health episode.
Oh gosh.
There's been multiple.
So we have four children, four young children.
They're all seven and under.
And in 21, when I was pregnant with our fourth baby, I was six weeks pregnant, went to a random dermatologist appointment because I felt like he had a spot that needed to be looked at.
Well, lo and behold, it was actually me.
And so they biopsied it, and sure enough, the results came back, and it was melanoma.
Which is, I didn't know anything about skin cancer, but now I do.
And melanoma, skin cancer is very treatable and preventable if you catch it early.
But melanoma accounts for 75% of skin cancer deaths.
So it's serious.
And the fact that I was pregnant was very scary as well.
And so I was obviously shattered and broken and so sad.
I'm so thankful that Ben was there with me because he was really that pillar of truth and faith that I needed to push through.
And so we prayed about it.
We prayed about, God, what strategy would you have us do to receive healing?
And that was to have surgery in my second trimester.
And so we did that.
And they didn't find anything else except they did an Olymp node, which put me at stage three.
But it was so small that they felt comfortable with me continuing on with the pregnancy, having her, and then going from there.
But before that, they were having some really, really scary conversations with us, sending us down, asking Ben if he was prepared to be a single dad of three other babies if I were to die with the baby.
They're just kind of pressuring me to not continue with the pregnancy, which was...
Pressuring you to have an abortion?
Yes.
Yep.
And I told them, I was like, well, that's not going to happen.
Like, I'm having this baby.
And I remember going into one appointment and my oncologist made a remark to her colleague and said, okay, and the baby's important to her.
But it's just crazy how in that environment they just, you know, treat you that way and just discount life.
Oh, absolutely.
Keep going.
Anyway, so...
Doctors actually don't care about human beings.
I know.
No, they don't.
You think about it.
I know.
I know.
Even being at MD Anderson was really hard.
It's all just about money.
It is.
It is.
Eliminate as many humans as possible.
Yeah.
And everyone...
Everyone there has one foot in the grave.
It's just a very, very sad place to be at.
But our prayer was that the baby would be healthy, I would be healthy, and I'd be healed.
Healthy she was.
Yeah, she's a giant baby.
She's very, very large.
She's three now.
Yeah, absolutely.
Anyway, so it was fine, and then I had scans after that, and they were clear.
And then last year in January, I felt another swollen lymph node next to the one that they had removed.
And I just knew in my spirit, I was like, oh.
This chapter wasn't closed.
I got to walk this out more.
And sure enough, did a biopsy.
You know, which we went into last year, 2024, was the first year that since starting the business that we didn't either have a newborn or you'd be pregnant.
Yes.
I think you mentioned earlier, last time I saw you, you were with child.
I'm like, both times you saw me.
Yeah, every time.
And so we were so excited going into, again.
Starting a business is not easy.
Running a business is not easy.
And we've never taken on any funding.
We've completely, I mean, and we didn't have any money.
Again, we just little by little and just chipped away.
And so we've definitely had some really hard times, especially once we went online because the business model just shifted 180 degrees.
And so 2022 wasn't, was not easy.
2023 was not easy.
And again, also going through the, the, the cancer diagnosis through pregnancy and that we had Daisy in 2022, got through that year in 2023, you know, um, really felt like we were going into 24, like, yes, where we were.
We're done having kids.
We're ready to focus on the business.
The cancer's behind you.
In January of 2024, we got that diagnosis.
Yeah, and it's crazy because even going into 24, I don't ever have a word for the year or anything, but I did feel in my prayer time that I wanted to focus on my health.
God was asking me to focus on my health.
You know, he's like, here you go.
You really got to focus on it.
Anyway, so we just prayed about strategy for this time.
I was like, I'm thankful I'm not pregnant this time.
I'm thankful that it's just me finding it.
My babies are healthy.
I'm going to be fine.
And so I was full of faith.
I told myself if God brought me through this being pregnant, he's going to do it again.
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We just prayed about strategy, what that looked like, and we decided on an integrative approach, so I did a A lot of holistic therapies.
I went to a clinic in California to kind of build up my immune system in various ways before I did immunotherapy at MD Anderson and then surgery after that.
But then I got super sick.
I was feeling great.
I lost 30 pounds, you know, just having four babies in a row and did a strict keto diet and then felt the strongest I ever felt.
Once I started immunotherapy, I just became so sick.
Just bedridden, night sweats, just soaking the entire bed, fevers, high fevers for multiple weeks.
It was horrible.
I've never felt like that before.
It was two rounds of immunotherapy they wanted you to go through.
It's 30 days apart.
The first 30-day check-in to go do the second round.
You were so sick.
And your doctor said, listen, this is what it does.
It's strengthening your immune system.
You've got to push through.
I know you're hurting.
I know you're sick.
But you need to push through.
Take this second round.
And so we're getting this thing.
So we did.
Yeah, because immunotherapy is interesting.
It's like monoclonal antibodies.
Yes, it teaches your immune system to wake up and to start fighting whatever's going on.
And so I felt very comfortable with that.
It's not like chemo where chemo is just kind of killing everything.
So we did the second round.
She did it and then only began to get more sick and more sick and more sick.
At the end of that 30-day stint, and then, I mean, Corley was completely bedridden.
And, you know, when you've got four little babies at home that are crying and wanting their mom.
And you're running a business.
And you're trying to, yeah.
It was, yeah, it was, it goes without saying, it was the hardest time of our life.
But the hardest thing is, you know, especially Daisy being just, at that time, just a, you know, still just a baby.
Just crying for mommy and just crying for mommy.
She normally puts them to bed every single night.
And then to go for months, which to children might as well be years.
She couldn't walk up the stairs.
She was literally bedridden.
That was so challenging.
We go back to the hospital after the second stint and she's in a wheelchair at this point.
Yeah, and I mean, what started out, the lymph node was probably the size of a marble in the beginning.
I mean, it now grew to like the size of a grapefruit in my groin.
I mean, it was huge.
It was red, and it just looked really bad.
I felt like I was dying.
I looked like I was dying.
And so I didn't know what to expect at this appointment, but we had to do a rescan before surgery.
And so he's wheeling me in.
I mean, I can't even stand up for a chest x-ray.
It was so bad.
And so we get all the scans done.
And then the oncologist comes in and she says, well, your cancer laughed at the immunotherapy.
It spread all over.
This is not good.
We can...
Do some chemo on you to hopefully shrink it before surgery, but it's not curative.
So there's no guarantees, but that's kind of the only option that we have right now.
She said, you know, we do these treatments and we hope for a positive outcome.
This is absolutely the worst outcome we could have had because there was no response.
The cancer didn't respond at all to the immunotherapy.
Yeah, and the doctor, the MD Anderson doctor, knew that Coralie did.
She was very against her doing the holistic approach first.
Makes sense.
And keeping the baby before that.
So it was kind of a little bit of like a salt in the wound of your cancer laughed at your treatment, right?
Even though that...
A huge part of the treatment was with them as well.
It was just kind of a salt-in-the-wound kind of comment.
So she prescribed this chemo pill.
Again, like Coralie said, that's not curative, but they do see good results temporarily.
Fun fact, on the box, the number one side effect is causes more cancer.
Right.
And she said, but we've got to do something to try to shrink it because it's so swollen.
It's so inflamed.
It's so big now.
Surgery would be hard.
So they wanted to do something to just try to shrink it.
So we leave the hospital just completely devastated.
I was trying to be strong for you, but I was devastated.
You don't even know this, but I got on the phone.
I don't even know who it was, but I just cried.
I think it was my mom.
I think it was your mom, yeah.
Because it's scary.
We believed we were going to get through this.
We knew we were going to get through it.
But when the report is just nothing but death, when the report is just so bad, we're driving home.
From M.D. Anderson, and Corley looks at me and says, what was it like when God talked to you?
And I'm like, that is so out of left field.
And I said, what do you mean?
She said, you always tell the story of when God said to start Good Ranchers, said he spoke to you and said to start a meat company, what was that like?
And I said, why are you asking this?
Like, what?
Like, why?
And she said, and she starts crying, and she said, because a few weeks ago, I really felt like God told me that my cancer was dead.
And to hear that report today, that it laughed at the therapy, and she's like, I just know that God told me that my cancer is dead.
And yeah, we got home, and we talked about it, and we said, you know what?
If God said it's dead, Then it's dead, and we're going to hold on to that, and we're going to believe that.
And then she looks at me, and she says, I don't want to take the chemo.
And I'm like, I think you should take the chemo.
I think you should do the chemo.
And she said, no, I don't want to do it.
And she's like, I'm tired of being sick.
I don't want to do it.
And I said, okay.
Okay, then we're going to pray, and we're going to believe that.
God said it was dead.
We're going to stand on that.
And she never took the chemo pills.
And in a matter of days, the whole area started shrinking.
And again, it was all inflamed.
It was hugely swollen.
It started shrinking.
She started feeling better.
And about a week later, she was feeling good.
She was walking.
And she called her doctor and said, "Hey, I want a rescan before surgery." And they said, "No, you don't need a rescan.
We've got everything we need." She said, "No, I'm telling you, I want a rescan before surgery." And so we went back in about two weeks later at that point.
We went in for a rescan and they said, "Great news.
The chemo is working.
Don't get excited because this is what it does." We know it can temporary cause shrinkage, but it's not curative.
But this is good news for surgery because this will help us get in there and do the surgery.
And so we just looked at each other.
We knew better than to tell them anything, so we just looked at each other and we knew.
And then two weeks later, she went in for surgery.
And after the biopsy of surgery, Coralie loves to tell the story that she didn't need him to call because she already knew.
And she was so full of faith.
But they called and they said, hey, every bit of cancer that we removed was completely dead.
Which means something worked.
And the first report of your cancer laughed at your treatment, laughed at the therapy.
Something worked.
And even the other lymph nodes that they removed, that they thought that they were seeing cancer and never had cancer in them at all.
So it's just, I mean, obviously God is wonderful and miraculous things happen, but there's also part of the story where you have to advocate for yourself.
Yeah, what did the doctors say when you told them this stuff?
Yeah, so we went for the follow-up after surgery, and they're going over the results.
My oncologist thinks I'm crazy at this point.
And she's just kind of smug about it.
Like, yeah, it's good, but it's not the best because it was just from the chemo.
So you'll have to keep taking these pills for the next year.
And I looked at her and I said, well, I didn't take the pills.
And her jaw just dropped behind her mask.
And she's like, what do you mean you didn't take the pills?
And I said, God told me that the cancer was dead and I didn't need to take them.
And she's just like, okay.
Then she asked, she said, well, did he say anything about radiation?
I'm like, who, God?
And she said, no, you're a surgeon.
No, but how do doctors respond to supernatural phenomenon?
I know, right?
And they just smugly roll it off, I guess.
Obviously, it's God.
I mean, there's a spiritual domain that's acting on our physical world every day.
It is something that's always, you know, just bothered me.
So they say you didn't take the pills.
How does she write that in her chart?
You could tell she was upset that I didn't listen to her.
Oh, she's upset that you're alive.
Yeah, I just kind of had to help her in that moment.
So I said, hey, the first plan worked.
Like, your first plan worked.
Kind of had to, like, get her pepped up almost.
And, yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm there at this point to witness to her and the rest of the team because they're so lost.
And I can only imagine, like, the grief that comes with having that position.
But, yeah.
That was a total miraculous healing.
It should be grief.
It should be joy, right?
Yes, it should be.
So you're cancer-free.
Yeah.
Wow, praise the Lord.
When was all of this?
This was last summer.
June of last summer.
And you feel great?
I feel great.
Surgery was in June.
You've had three scans since.
How did you run the business during all of this?
Man, it was tough.
I have a great team around us, though.
I have a really great team that really stepped up.
And, you know, I...
The...
Hebrews 12, verse 1, has really been on my heart lately.
We see with such a great cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily...
And that just jumped out to me this past week of there's weight and there's sin.
And so often we just think, you know, we know that the wages of sin is death, but there's things that just weigh us down.
And especially as men, you know, we're professionals of carrying weight.
And the truth is...
We're supposed to give those weights to God.
We're supposed to give our cares to Him.
We're supposed to cast them on Him, right?
And again, it sounds easy, but that's what it was.
It was giving those cares, giving that weight to the Lord because I'm not strong enough to carry it on my own.
Again, we have a great team that came around us and helped us through.
But yeah, for the joy set before Him, He endured the cross.
And if our hope was in this life only, we'd be miserable.
But we know that there's a hope beyond this life that's beautiful.
And it sucks to see your wife going through this.
You never want to see your wife or your kids go through anything.
Again, our hope isn't in this life only.
Our hope is in Jesus, and our hope is in heaven.
So, you know, we're here to run a race, and that's all we can do.
So, the answer to your question was just...
And I was inspired by Corley's faith, so the answer to your question is faith, and faith in Jesus.
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Corley was so inspirational.
Because she never lost her faith.
She never lost as much pain as she was in, as much as she was hurting.
She never lost that faith.
Had a word.
Yeah, it was miraculous to watch.
Did your kids know what was going on?
No.
They just knew Mommy was sick.
Yeah, they knew Mommy was sick and that she'd be healed.
So we were praying and believing for that.
So we'll tell them one day.
And so the business is doing well now.
Yeah.
Tell us about it.
Yeah.
And tell us about how you're—we only have a couple minutes, but tell us how you're navigating all of the news with tariffs.
You guys don't—you're not impacted by tariffs, though, right?
Yeah.
So you say more tariffs, the better, right?
I mean, you know, knock on wood, because you know this, but we need import-export.
It's an interconnected supply chain.
For the economy.
But you're not importing New Zealand beef.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, we're 100 percent— American manufactured, even when you open our box and you see the insulation that says Made in USA.
We don't ever want to be beholden to a cargo ship waiting on anything, whether it's a box or, for sure, not meat, but even packaging.
We have 100% domestic U.S. supply chain, and so that has been good for us.
Yeah, the business is doing really well.
We're continuing to grow.
And again, praise God.
It's awesome to be able to...
Things I didn't think about before starting a business was the responsibility of being a business owner.
But the impact and the jobs that you get to create.
And then you get to choose.
I say you choose, but in our case, you get to choose what kind of benefits you're going to give your employees and what kind of atmosphere you're going to have at...
At the office or what kind of environment you're going to create and being able to create an environment where people want to come to work and be able to create an environment that...
You can support families.
You can support moms that are working and dads.
Yeah, we have probably the most...
We don't really ever talk about it, but we have amazing health.
We pay 75% for all of our employees rather than just 50%.
We give six months maternity leave to moms.
We give three months to the dad because we believe in family and we believe in...
You know, it's hard enough having a kid, having a baby, like, you know, and especially your first one is just like, here's this human, go figure it out.
There's no manual.
There is no manual, right?
We joke around, if I wrote the book with Erica, the manual, it would sell, like, millions of copies.
Yeah, you should do that.
The instruction manual, right?
Yeah, you should do it.
Or do it like Michael Knowles did.
Why to vote for Democrats?
Just blank pages.
That's funny.
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But you guys are growing like gangbusters.
Yeah.
And this is really a calling for you.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, we love what we get to do.
We love get to, you know, I was at a chicken farm on Thursday of last week.
And, you know, the look on, as we continue to grow, we get to...
Partner with more and more farmers and ranchers and different people.
And the look on their faces, especially some of these smaller operations, we can make a massive impact because we can double, triple work.
So talk about that.
So you find a local chicken farm in Arkansas, and because of your national network, you could plug into that, and they can scale in a way that...
They couldn't be able to do that previously, right?
Correct, yeah.
And in our case, Texas raises really good chickens.
Chickens are one of the most volatile animals.
People don't really think about it.
Yeah, they're just so volatile.
I eat chicken every day.
Yeah, they're so fragile, and they have to be cared for, which is where the whole cage is.
come from.
They're meant well by that because you can't just have chickens out like hawks again and fox again.
They're susceptible to so many different prey.
I mean, if it starts raining hard enough I mean, chickens are fragile.
So when they say cage-free, what do they mean?
Well, when we say cage-free, that's what we mean.
But there are loopholes in that.
How big is the cage-free?
Well, they say access to the outside.
It doesn't mean they ever have to go outside.
And so that's the way the USDA law is written.
It says as long as they have access to the outside, they can be free-range or cage-free.
But to be able to go to these farms, be able to go to these ranches, and be able to look at the rancher, look at the farmer, and say, How many more chicken could you grow if you knew you had an outlet for them?
And they give you a number and you go, okay, we'll take that.
It means it's a massive impact because the way the supply chain works, it's really not set up for the little guy.
And again, we're not perfect, but we're trying to continue to get better because we believe that We need farmers.
We need ranchers.
We need to support our own.
We need to support American agriculture.
If we lose control of our food, we're going to lose control of the country.
Coralie, final thoughts after all you've been through?
Just hold on to your faith and hold on to the end.
If someone's going through a diagnosis like that, until I take my last breath, I'm going to believe that.
What he accomplished on the cross is for me right now in this world.
