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Witnessing A Pagan Turn
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| Hey, everybody, Jonathan Kahn, author of The Return of the Gods, fascinating conversation. | |
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| Jonathan, welcome to the program. | |
| Great to be with you, Charlie. | |
| So, Jonathan, build out for our audience the main thesis of your book, The Return of the Gods. | |
| Yeah, The Return of the Gods is, well, number one, it's probably the most explosive book I've ever written. | |
| And it is what if behind what is happening, the changes, the transformation of our culture, what if it goes back to what actually the Bible says? | |
| What if it goes back to what the Bible speaks of as gods? | |
| And what if the gods are not just fiction, but there's something actually behind them? | |
| And what if they returned? | |
| What if they actually were in the world? | |
| What if they were affecting our culture? | |
| What would happen to it? | |
| And what happens when you turn away from God? | |
| Well, what the return of the gods is, is really showing that it's happening. | |
| Once you see it, Charlie, you can't unsee it. | |
| It is really what is behind everything. | |
| We're all dealing with it. | |
| And the thing is that I wrote The Return of the Gods not only to reveal this, but also to arm God's people, because if you're in a fight and you don't know what you're fighting, chances are you're not going to win. | |
| That's right. | |
| So it's really, it's stunning. | |
| Listen, it stunned me. | |
| And I knew that this is the hour that this had to come out. | |
| So, Jonathan, I want to make sure I get our terms right. | |
| I believe when you're saying the return of the gods, you mean the idea of fake gods. | |
| You are a monotheist, correct? | |
| You believe in. | |
| No, I know that's a silly question, but you're not suggesting that we live in a polytheistic reality. | |
| No, no, yeah, of course. | |
| Yeah, I'm a believer in Jesus. | |
| I'm a Jewish believer and a pastor and a rabbi. | |
| Of course. | |
| But yeah, so no, I don't. | |
| Yeah. | |
| But yeah, let me, that's good that you asked because let me go right into it. | |
| Yeah, the Bible says that when it speaks about the false gods, and that's exactly what we're speaking about, it says that behind them were, it uses a Hebrew word. | |
| The Hebrew word is shadim. | |
| Shadim, it's in Deuteronomy, it's in the Psalms. | |
| It means literally not, you know, fables, it means spirits, entities, beings. | |
| And when it gets translated into the New Testament, it becomes the Greek word daimonia, where you get the word demon from it. | |
| So what it's saying is that behind the gods are actually spirits. | |
| When the pagan world was worshiping gods, they're actually under a possession. | |
| You know, when you turn away from God, this is what happens. | |
| So this was, and this is pretty universal. | |
| Everyone worshiped gods except Israel that worshiped God until they turned away from God. | |
| So the first question is, what happened to all this? | |
| Well, what happened was the gospel. | |
| What happened was Jesus. | |
| And when the power of God came into the ancient world, literally it drove out the gods. | |
| That's why you don't see many people worshiping Zeus outright and all these things. | |
| It was gone. | |
| But if behind the gods are spirits, that means it wasn't just turning away from gods. | |
| It means it was a casting out. | |
| It was an exorcism of Western civilization. | |
| That's what's made the West so unique. | |
| And so the thing is, the thing is that then, then the next question is that, okay, where'd they go? | |
| And then, and the next kind of clue to set up what I'm sharing is that Jesus gave a parable. | |
| And he said, when a spirit goes out of a man, it goes looking for a place, doesn't find it, says, I'm going to go back to my house, the guy. | |
| And he goes back and finds the house, the guy, empty, in order, cleaned, brings seven other spirits. | |
| The Bible says more evil than itself. | |
| And the latter state of the man is worse than the first state. | |
| But now people think it's just talking about a guy. | |
| But when you read the end of it, in Matthew, it says, so it shall be with this generation. | |
| And so the premise is this: the warning is this: that, first of all, cultures, not just people, can be oppressed and possessed. | |
| They can be delivered and they can be repossessed. | |
| So the warning is for America and for the West and for much of the world, modern world, any culture, any civilization that has been delivered of these spirits by God, of paganism, by God, if it should ever turn away from God, then the spirits that were cast out of it will come back into it to repossess it. | |
| If you want to understand what's been happening to America for the last half century, we're witnessing a repossession. | |
| We're witnessing a turn from a Christian civilization into a pagan one. | |
| And this is the beginning of the mystery. | |
| This is key. | |
| So if you read the Torah, which means teacher, through the lens that there was an obsession from the writing of it to really wage war on river civilization pagan polytheism, right? | |
| This idea of one God that is not in nature, but created nature, this idea of one morality, this idea of Hashem or Adonai or Jehovah, whatever term you want to use, it was not just foreign, it was a mystery and a threat to the predominant views. | |
| And if you look at some of the themes that especially the first 11 books of Genesis lay out, we're seeing almost a resurgence of that, whether it be earth worship, whether it be doing what is right in your own eyes. | |
| So when you say a return of the gods, we're almost just seeing a replaying of the same temptations and vices that the first couple books of the scriptures go out of their way to wage war on. | |
| Yeah, absolutely. | |
| What we are witnessing is, I mean, it's kind of the reverse. | |
| It's the reverse of what happened when the gospel came in. | |
| It's a de-Christianization, which means also it is a turning away from monotheism. | |
| And when you turn away from God, the warning is, I mean, look, look at the case examples we have. | |
| Look at Russia. | |
| Look what happened when Russia turned away from its Christian foundations. | |
| It wasn't secular. | |
| It was demonic. | |
| Look what happened to Germany when they turned away from God. | |
| It was not secular. | |
| It was demonic. | |
| We are now witnessing that in America. | |
| And the warning that Jesus gives is the house will not stay empty. | |
| Something else will you take God out of the schools? | |
| Something else will come into the schools. | |
| You take God from the children. | |
| Something else will come into the children. | |
| And that's what we are witnessing. | |
| Everything you just said, it's not an accident. | |
| In fact, why things are so irrational? | |
| We say, how could they believe this? | |
| How could they do this to children? | |
| Well, this is all part of it. | |
| And the thing is, Charlie, it's not just a general thing. | |
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The House Will Not Stay Empty
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| There are specific entities or gods or spirits that the Bible speaks about that are literally, that are literally at work right in our culture. | |
| So that's a really deep and important point that honestly, I don't even have theological clarity on. | |
| And I want your take. | |
| I want to spend some of our hour on this because I ask pastors and I get different answers understandably. | |
| And you've obviously done some deep thinking on this, which is what does the Bible say? | |
| Who is Satan? | |
| Does he have lieutenants that we would call demons? | |
| And so walk us through what the Bible says outside of folklore or tradition. | |
| What specifically does the Bible say who Satan is? | |
| What is his jurisdiction? | |
| And does he have, you know, lieutenants or demons or helpers? | |
| Yeah, well, number one, you know, Satan in Hebrew, really, it's a Hebrew word that means satan, means the one who opposes you. | |
| It becomes in Greek, diabolos, we get devil, you know, from that means the opposer. | |
| Well, it says the Bible clearly says that Satan was also a spirit, an angelic being that fell. | |
| So therefore, you have, you have starting with that, but interesting too, because Charlie, you know that, you know, one of the words for Satan is Bealzebub, you know, or Bealzebah. | |
| Well, that actually comes from a Hebrew word that is Baal Zavuv, which means Baal, which is a one, which is one of the spirits or one of the gods that Israel worships. | |
| So yes, he has there, the Bible says very clearly, there is one, I mean, there is Satan, and then there are spirits that are, that are part of this realm, just like God has angels, there are spirits. | |
| Well, what, you know, what would a spirit do more than draw attention, you know, draw the worship of God away from God to itself? | |
| So when you look at the pagan world, you know, this is this, if there's a reason why it's demonic. | |
| You know, when you look at pagan worship, it's demonic. | |
| It's not just, you know, they have all the signs of possession shaking and foaming at the mouth. | |
| And actually, and a possessed culture is a, is literally, I mean, a pagan culture is literally demonic. | |
| So therefore, yes. | |
| And the thing is that we've kind of forgotten that at our peril, to our peril. | |
| Yes. | |
| Because when you take out God, it all comes back. | |
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| So, Jonathan, what does the Bible say about Satan? | |
| Is it true that he rebelled against God and took one-third of the angels with him? | |
| Or is that inferred theological folklore? | |
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Isaiah And Ezekiel Speak
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| It is. | |
| He clearly rebelled. | |
| The Lord said, I saw him fall like lightning. | |
| In Isaiah and Ezekiel, it also speaks about that too. | |
| The angel who said, I will ascend. | |
| I will ascend and then is fallen. | |
| The word, you know, actually Lucifer comes from something from Isaiah. | |
| Then in Revelation, we see this war. | |
| Some people put it in the past. | |
| Some people say there's going to be another kind of war with this. | |
| But there's clearly, listen, you know, C.S. Lewis talked about evil and how do you have evil? | |
| Evil is basically taking something that's good and twisting it. | |
| You know, God didn't create evil, so evil must be something that's been twisted. | |
| And the fall of Satan is exactly that. | |
| So yes, Satan is very real. | |
| You can't understand. | |
| How can you understand like Hitler and the Third Reich without understanding that there is a Satan, there's a demonic realm? | |
| So Jonathan, just help me understand, because I had a discussion recently with an Orthodox rabbi. | |
| He said that there is no evidence in the Torah or the Tanakh of a devil or a Satan or of there's only Hashem. | |
| There is only God. | |
| Can you just help me understand theologically how that view came to be? | |
| Yeah, well, apparently he's not reading the Tanakh because it's there. | |
| Job is considered one of, if not the oldest book. | |
| And it clearly, there is Satan right in there. | |
| In Zechariah, it talks about Satan accusing Israel, accusing the high priest there. | |
| So, and then again, Isaiah and Ezekiel also speak about that. | |
| So it's clearly that there is. | |
| So I don't know where he gets that, but it's clearly there. | |
| You know, just like many things, it gets clearer in the New Testament or it gets more exposed, you know, just like the Holy Spirit's in the Hebrew scriptures, but it's more exposed. | |
| Just like the Trinity or the triune nature of God is in the Hebrew scriptures too. | |
| But it's all there. | |
| So I don't know. | |
| He's got to read up a little bit more. | |
| Yeah, Elohim in Genesis 126 and 127 is an early hat tip to the Trinity. | |
| So let's get back to your book here. | |
| What is the mystery of the spirits? | |
| Well, it is that behind these things that we kind of think of as fiction are actually real. | |
| These are entities. | |
| And actually, when I spoke about, we can actually identify some of them that actually have returned. | |
| You know, when Israel turned away from God, there were three particular principalities that really, really kind of possessed the nation and led to the destruction. | |
| In the return of the gods, I call it the dark trinity. | |
| And the first one in Hebrew, these are all in the Bible. | |
| The first one is called the possessor in Hebrew. | |
| We know him as Baal or Baal. | |
| The second one is a she, it's a goddess that's called the Enchantress. | |
| And she's known in the Bible as Ashtorah. | |
| But in Babylon, she's Ishtar. | |
| In Greece, she's Aphrodite, all the same thing. | |
| And the third one is called the Destroyer. | |
| We know him as Mole. | |
| Now, the first, no, in a nutshell, there's so much, and of course, we can just touch on it. | |
| But the first one is the one, kind of like that first spirit that comes back to the house that turns, paganizes a nation, turns it away from God. | |
| Ever since the early 60s, we've been watching this turn from America. | |
| This spirit drives God out of the culture, paganizes it, makes it forget God, just like it did to Israel. | |
| And actually, it's behind wokeism. | |
| There's so much it's behind that we can't even begin to, yeah. | |
| And then you have the Enchantress sexualizes a culture and takes sex out of marriage. | |
| She actually was a prostitute goddess. | |
| And so right in the early 60s, you have the turning and then you have the sexual revolution. | |
| What's happened to our culture? | |
| It's been sexualized and paganized through sexuality. | |
| Actually, the ancient Greeks called her porné. | |
| We get the word pornography from her. | |
| She's actually the inventor of the first pornography comes from this goddess. | |
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When God Goes Out
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| I'm just giving you a quick nutshell. | |
| The third one, the destroyer, caused parents to actually offer up their own children as sacrifice. | |
| So look what happens, Charlie. | |
| You have, you have, it's like right in order. | |
| You have the turning, you have the sexualization of America, and then you have the offering up of children. | |
| 1970, it begins. | |
| You have abortion. | |
| You know, Jesus said when they come back, they come back worse. | |
| You know, Israel, when it turned away from God, they offered up thousands of their children. | |
| We have offered up over 60 million of them. | |
| Yes. | |
| And it makes you think, we'll talk about this after the break. | |
| Civilizations that never had any contact with each other, Mayans, Aztecs, Incans, the Indus River Valley, there is a weird theme. | |
| Vast structures that were built for the sole purpose of sacrificing children. | |
| It's bizarre. | |
| That's right. | |
| Why would the Mayans, who had no, literally no possible geographic communication, it's impossible, right? | |
| With the Nile, let's just say the Egyptians or with Mesopotamia. | |
| They all had structures, procedures, practices to sacrifice the unborn. | |
| Well, guess what? | |
| The Old Testament, the Torah, was the first book to say God does not approve of child sacrifice. | |
| And that is the story of Abraham and Isaac, where God intercedes. | |
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| Jonathan, do you want to just pick up where I left off? | |
| We have civilizations in every corner of the world that seem to do the same thing over and over again. | |
| Why is that? | |
| Because this is real. | |
| Because the spirits are real. | |
| You put it very well. | |
| There's no natural or geographic or physical connection between these civilizations all over the world, yet they do the same thing. | |
| The fact that all these nations from Hawaii to Russia to China are worshiping gods is a strange thing. | |
| But then that you have human sacrifice all over, you have child sacrifice all over. | |
| And as you said, the only thing that stopped this, number one, was the word of God. | |
| Number two, it was the gospel through Messiah, through Jesus, that actually put an end to it. | |
| But so notice then, then when a nation like America starts putting God out, it comes back in the form of abortion. | |
| And abortion is not, you know, is not anything else but that because it ultimately is, I mean, we're talking about millions and millions more than they did in the ancient world. | |
| And the other thing is, and I won't go into the details, we don't, but in the book, I actually put in how when you look at the ancient rituals of child sacrifice and the elements of child sacrifice, you actually see it today replaying an abortion. | |
| So you talk about possession over a nation or a people. | |
| Yes. | |
| I struggle with that concept. | |
| Not that I don't believe it, but I struggle. | |
| So first of all, I believe the scriptures say if you are in the kingdom of God, you cannot be possessed. | |
| Is that a fair belief? | |
| If you are born new, you are not able to be possessed. | |
| So I think that should give, is that correct? | |
| I believe there are Christians who believe otherwise, but I believe that. | |
| I mean, you can be oppressed and you can be many things, but no, if you're possessed by the Holy Spirit, you're possessed by the Holy Spirit. | |
| So I agree. | |
| So what do you mean by national possession? | |
| I struggle with this only because I think it creates a little bit of tension of people's then ability to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. | |
| So what do you mean national possession? | |
| Give us some detail here. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | |
| I mean, example, Charlie. | |
| If you look, look at what happened to Germany. | |
| That wasn't natural. | |
| It wasn't explainable. | |
| It was irrational. | |
| It was a people who a spirit came over, possession. | |
| In other words, there could be a spirit that's over a culture. | |
| Now, it doesn't mean that everybody in the culture is saying that that is, this may be the key for you. | |
| It's not saying everybody is in a position of Individual possession, but cultures themselves, you know, the mainstream culture, spirits can drive that. | |
| Spirits can, a culture can give itself to ownership. | |
| And listen, if you're not giving yourself to God, who are you giving yourself to? | |
| You know, so there is there, you know, if you're not owned by God, who are you owned by? | |
| You know, you got to serve somebody. | |
| So that doesn't mean individually that we can't accept the Lord. | |
| Of course, we can't. | |
| And that's the only answer. | |
| The only answer is the gospel. | |
| And so there is really, here's another question. | |
| Do you believe there's actually ever going to be or ever has been a true secular society? | |
| Meaning, you're either going to believe in a pagan demonic view or in an ethical monotheistic. | |
| I think this idea of secularism is actually a false construct. | |
| It's never going to happen. | |
| I believe you're right. | |
| I mean, you know, and I believe that. | |
| You know, it's ultimately, I mean, it can look secular for a while, but the point is, man is not made to be secular. | |
| Man is made to worship. | |
| And so if you're not worshiping one thing, you're going to worship another. | |
| You may not call it that. | |
| You know, we don't, we don't call, you know, in the book, I go through all these manifestations of the ancient gods that we won't, you know, the secular world or the unsaved world, the mainstream culture will not recognize that they're doing it, but they're doing it. | |
| They're still serving. | |
| You are, you know, as Bob Dylan said, you got to serve somebody. | |
| So, no, give it time and it comes out. | |
| Again, look at the examples we have to get God out. | |
| You know, French Revolution became demonic. | |
| Russia, as I said, Soviet Union. | |
| Germany, I mean, you can't get more demonic than that. | |
| So now we're in that situation. | |
| That's the scary thing. | |
| And that's why there's like the signs of cultural possession. | |
| That's there's an irrationality. | |
| What are we doing to our children? | |
| No, this is the same. | |
| Let me give you. | |
| Please give me an example and then I'm going to give you another one on top. | |
| Well, no, no, go ahead because I'm not. | |
| No, I just, there's a very powerful clip of my friend Dennis Prager, who's a religious Jew. | |
| This, again, part of my discussions on Satan come from this. | |
| And he says this. | |
| He says, in Jewish tradition, there really is not a belief in a devil. | |
| He said, however, the last two years, for the first time in my life, I am open to the idea of the diabolical. | |
| He said, because there is no other explanation that I can come to to the outright intentional, widespread, repeated, transparent exploitation and suffering of millions of people. | |
| Please, Jonathan. | |
| Yes, yes, exactly. | |
| Exactly. | |
| And even quote, secular people and liberal people are actually saying something like this is demonic. | |
| Then what are they doing to children? | |
| This doesn't make sense. | |
| Well, let me give an idea of cultural. | |
| Now, again, I'm not talking about individual here, but cultural possession, possession of a culture. | |
| One of the gods I spoke about, the Enchantress, had another side to her. | |
| And that is that she says, and I put in the ancient, in the book, I put in the ancient Mesopotamian inscription so you can see for yourself. | |
| It says, she says, I am a woman, I am a man. | |
| It says she has the power to turn a man into a woman and a woman to a man. | |
| So now, now, this is the same enchantress that begins the sexual revolution. | |
| So this couldn't come out of the beginning, but once she starts taking possession of a culture, then it gets to her deeper work. | |
| So she is the one who literally turns men into women, women to men. | |
| Look what's happening now, Charlie. | |
| And, you know, not only that, it says that she masculizes women. | |
| She defeminizes them. | |
| She feminizes men in every possible way. | |
| But also, she had a priesthood, Charlie, that were her priests were men who dressed up as women, walked around her temples, dressed up as women. | |
| Parents would take their children to see the men dressed up as women. | |
| Not only that, she all it's back. | |
| And not only that, she also would surgically transition her priests from men into women, literally. | |
| So that when you see this, you know, when you turn away from God, it all comes back. | |
| And so when you look at it, listen, you know, people, again, who are not even believers will look at this and say, what would possess an adult to do this to a child, a mutilated child? | |
| Well, this would possess them. | |
| And the other thing is that, you know, we're watching this. | |
| You know, back then, remember, Jesus said they come back worse. | |
| So back then, she possessed a priesthood. | |
| Now she's seeking to possess an entire generation. | |
| And not only that, Charlie, but when you, one of the things was this was a, she was in charge of parades. | |
| Her parades were basically men parading in the city streets and women parading dressed as the other sex with color. | |
| Well, it's bad. | |
| She had one month of the year where she particularly possessed a culture. | |
| You know what it was? | |
| It was the month of June. | |
| Saint Jerome actually identifies it. | |
| You know, and she's called the God of Pride. | |
| So it's Pride Month. | |
| This is not an act. | |
| None of this is an action. | |
| So what is the citation for all this? | |
| I can ask you privately. | |
| I'm just blown away. | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Well, yeah, the book. | |
| Okay. | |
| The book, the Return of the Gods is filled with citations. | |
| Of course, I understand that. | |
| But this particular thing you're going through about June is mind blowing. | |
| Well, actually, interesting. | |
| I actually quoted from Saint Jerome himself because Saint Jerome was around when these things were still going on. | |
| And he identifies the month of the goddess celebration. | |
| And again, linked to the altering of gender. | |
| And he identifies it in Latin as Iunium. | |
| Iunium is where we get the word June. | |
| I mean, that's just, that's, that's. | |
| And, and there's, and there's more, Charlie. | |
| One, another thing about the goddess is that one of the signs she was associated with is the, is the rainbow. | |
| So I don't even have to say anything there. | |
| The rainbow. | |
| Okay. | |
| That's why it's so strange is taking over culture. | |
| But not only that, do you remember? | |
| Remember the day when the Supreme Court struck down marriage as we know it? | |
| And in Obama. | |
| Yep, yep, yep. | |
| Yeah. | |
| Lit up the White House in the rainbow. | |
| Okay. | |
| That night, when he did that, that basically marriage is struck down. | |
| A man can marry a man. | |
| The day on the Hebrew, biblical, and Babylonian calendar was the 10th of the month of Tammuz, 10th of Tammuz. | |
| I looked at the ancient writings about that day. | |
| You know what it says? | |
| That day was appointed from ancient times to ordain to cast a spell to cause a man to love a man. | |
| That was the day that marriage was turned over. | |
| That day. | |
| Obviously, just a coincidence, Jonathan, right? | |
| Just a coincidence. | |
| Yeah. | |
| So Return of the Gods is the book. | |
| So now I want to transition to how do we individually, on a family level, and collectively, how do we excommunicate, or if your word is exorcise the unclean spirits, this kind of dark trinity of oppression? | |
| What can we do, if anything? | |
| Well, that's a great question. | |
| The last part of the book is focusing specifically on that. | |
| And it's called the other God, because the God we have is so much more powerful. | |
| And the thing is, the one thing is to know that, number one, you're in a war. | |
| Like I said at the beginning, we're in a war, and it's not ultimately political, but it touches politics. | |
| It's not ultimately cultural, but it touches culture. | |
| These spirits are literally seeking total domination. | |
| Every knee shall bow. | |
| That's what always happens. | |
| First, anything goes, it's all tolerance. | |
| And then it's every knee shall bow. | |
| And the other thing is, Charlie, is that they've come, remember, they were cast out by Christians. | |
| So they have a vendetta. | |
| So that's why there's a spirit against believers in this, even in America. | |
| But we got to remember this. | |
| So we're at a war, but we got to remember a few things. | |
| One is if there's anything in your life, I'm not talking to you, Charlie. | |
| I'm talking about everybody. | |
| Anything in your life that is like linked to any of these things, it could be pornography, could be anything that's not of God. | |
| Yeah, these are the conduits, the super highways that allow these unclean spirits to have a hold. | |
| Yes. | |
| Yes, because, yeah, exactly. | |
| And so the first thing is, you know, before you can deal with it in the culture, you deal with it in your life. | |
| You know, Gideon was called to be a great warrior of God, but before he could do anything great, he had to, he had to smash the altar in his backyard to bail. | |
| So first thing is that anything in your life, deal with it there. | |
| First thing, God wants you powerful. | |
| Secondly, understand this is not an exception. | |
| This is actually biblical. | |
| You know, a lot of people are praying. | |
| I wish I could live in Bible times. | |
| Congratulations. | |
| You're there because this is what Moses dealt with. | |
| You know, Elijah dealt with the gods. | |
| Paul dealt with the gods. | |
| You know, it's because this is what happens when you take God out. | |
| So this is the way it's been. | |
| So the thing is that, but remember, we have something much more powerful. | |
| We don't have a God. | |
| We have the God. | |
| We have the true living God. | |
| And the power, you know, the Bible says, you know, when Moses crossed the Red Sea, he wrote a song. | |
| He said, Who is like you, Lord, among the gods? | |
| There's nobody. | |
| And there's nobody like Jesus. | |
| Yeshua, listen, I'm Jewish. | |
| And I'm telling you, whoever's listening, there is nobody like Yeshua like Jesus. | |
| You know, there is no name like that. | |
| There's no number two. | |
| There's no runner up. | |
| And that name was enough to cast the gods out of the ancient world. | |
| And you've got that name. | |
| You have the power, but you cannot be silent. | |
| You cannot be intimidated. | |
| You have to stand strong. | |
| Do not bow down to political correctness. | |
| Do not bow down when they tell you to be quiet. | |
| Speak louder. | |
| You know, this is a time when it's darker. | |
| It gets darker. | |
| It's the lights of God get brighter. | |
| Jonathan, is there hope? | |
| Yes. | |
| As long as there's, you know, Charlie, every time I've written a book and I've written, you know, I deal with heavy things, always hope because as long as you have God, there's hope. | |
| Without God, there is no hope. | |
| And that's what a lot of people are seeing when they're looking at what's happening to their world. | |
| But we always have hope. | |
| As long as you have God, you have hope. | |
| And as I said, you know, Jesus, Yeshua, I say that, that's his Hebrew name, is so much stronger and actually has the power to deal with these things, cast these things out. | |
| But one of the things that's important is that, you know, the answer to all this that I'm talking about came from the absence of God. | |
| So the answer, the antidote for all this is the presence of God. | |
| And the presence of God, number one, has got to be in our lives. | |
| The more that we are filled with him, you know, the spirit of God is much stronger than the spirits and these spirits that we're talking about. | |
| But we have to be strong, you know, and we have to not be silent. | |
| You know, one of the things that if you look at, when you look at what happened when Baal took over a culture, he sought every need about him and every tongue confess and everybody be silent. | |
| And you cannot be intimidated. | |
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| You know, whether, you know, these principalities are especially are trying to totally, you know, like to stamp out the light. | |
| And again, I use as an example, just look at what happened with the Third Reich. | |
| We have to not be intimidated. | |
| It doesn't matter what the odds are. | |
| It doesn't matter if we're in the minority or majority. | |
| It doesn't matter. | |
| This is the time to really shine. | |
| You know, when everybody says they're Christian, Charlie, it's all gray, you know, and we came from a time, everybody said they were Christian. | |
| Well, that's not anymore. | |
| Now it means everything. | |
| Now to be a Christian and to stand up for Jesus means everything, but it's more powerful. | |
| You know, a candle in the daytime, you know, you can barely see it. | |
| A candle at night lights up the world. | |
| So it might be harder, but it's more powerful. | |
| You know, it's like, I will say this, you know, one of the mysteries of what the Bible calls the end times is that everything's returning to where it was at the beginning. | |
| You know, there was an Israel at the beginning of the age, it's back. | |
| There was Jerusalem, it's back. | |
| Now the culture was pagan, it's going back. | |
| But the church, that means we have to go back to what where we were, which is the book of Acts. | |
| So the thing is, you know, this actually is an exciting time to be, you know, we can be powerful for God. | |
| This is the time that produces greatness, but you got to stand, you got to rise, and God will anoint you, will empower you. | |
| And we must keep the spiritual disciplines clear. | |
| What do you have to say, Jonathan, for people that feel as if it's all falling apart? | |
| So there is no reason to fight. | |
| There is no hope. | |
| Very a lot of emphasis on eschatological escape, that Jesus is coming next Thursday. | |
| What is your message to those people? | |
| Yeah, well, there's a balance. | |
| The balance is that we are, you know, we have to be ready for his coming, but the other, the other part is occupy until he comes. | |
| And the thing is that he never said we're not supposed to do anything. | |
| He gave us a great commission. | |
| And until he takes that back and until he says that's over, we got it to, we have a job to do. | |
| You know, so the thing is that you can't the earth. | |
| You know, we have a job to do. | |
| In fact, you know, it's like saying, well, it's like you're a light and you're saying the darkness is so dark that we might as well give up. | |
| No, if the dark is dark, it's saying that's my job as a light to light it up. | |
| And that is so beautifully said. | |
| The book is Return of the Gods. | |
| Jonathan, any closing thoughts, things we didn't touch on that you want our audience to be aware of? | |
| Well, I would say just one, if you're listening right now and you don't know that you're born again, you have the Lord in you. | |
| Listen, it's crucial to get right with God. | |
| That's the thing. | |
| You don't have to fear the future if you get right with God. | |
| But without God, you got darkness. | |
| And if you are a believer, listen, I mean, I mean, listen, there's so much in the book we can't touch on, but I want you to know more than anything, this is your hour. | |
| This is not the hour to shrink back. | |
| This is the hour to become the person God called you to be. | |
| He called you for such a time as this. | |
| If he didn't want you a year, he would have put you in the middle ages. | |
| So this is our hour. | |
| Let's shine for God. | |
| We are stronger than the gods. | |
| With God in you, you are stronger. | |
| Who can be against you? | |
| And so God says the eyes of the Lord are searching the entire earth, looking for the one whose heart is completely his. | |
| He'll lift him up. | |
| He'll lift her up. | |
| You be that one. | |
| This is your hour. | |
| This is our hour. | |
| God is stronger than the gods. | |
| Who is like him? | |
| No one. | |
| We must be obedient. | |
| Jonathan Kahn from Return of the Gods. | |
| Thank you so much. | |
| God bless you. | |
| Thank you, Charlie. | |
| You too. | |
| Thanks so much for listening, everybody. | |
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