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July 13, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Wrath of Wray with Matt Gaetz
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Who Runs The Country 00:05:19
Hey, everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show.
Who runs the country?
Is it the administrative state or is it the people?
We ask that question.
Matt Gates joins us to help explore this civilization-altering question.
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Who runs the country?
Do the people run the government or do the government largely run the people?
The American founders established a system.
They established a form of government.
There should be three branches.
They should check and balance one another.
The complaints laid out in the Declaration of Independence that we celebrated on July 4th were largely addressed and solved at the ratification of the Constitution.
The Constitution did not come ex nihilo.
It did not come out of nothing.
It came through an English constitutional republic tradition.
It came from Roman Republican influences.
It came through the study of the classics.
It came through an understanding of what is a human being, how are we to interact with one another?
Biblical principles.
The Constitution understood that your rights do not come from government.
Your rights are given to you by God or your creator.
It says very clearly in the Declaration, the laws of nature and nature is God.
God is mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence.
The Constitution understood that there must be first and foremost rules for government, not rules for people.
In fact, it said a government shall not be able to shut you up, shall not be able to take weapons, shall not put soldiers in your home, shall not be able to spy on you, shall not be able to detain you indefinitely without a speedy trial.
The United States Constitution and the following Bill of Rights that was ratified in 1791 was the great leap forward in self-government.
That all changed with Woodrow Wilson.
Woodrow Wilson, one of America's worst presidents, an evil, maniacal man, who actually, his wife, was largely running the White House towards the end of his presidency, former college professor and former president of Princeton University and governor of New Jersey, basically the accidental president who became president in 1912 when Teddy Roosevelt decided to run the Bullmoose Party and primary William Howard Taft, running three parties and Woodrow Wilson won with a plurality, not a majority of votes.
Woodrow Wilson threw away the Constitution, the promise of the founders.
He said, we're more advanced than this.
Blake, can you find that exact quote from Woodrow Wilson?
He was more eloquent than that, but I'm summarizing it rather bluntly.
Woodrow Wilson basically said, we know what we want.
Why do we need all these checks and balances?
That government should work like a machine.
It should work administratively.
And with that, he birthed the bureaucracies, the desk workers, the administrative state.
Now, America was a very free country back then.
And you can make a lot of arguments.
Well, we needed a Department of Labor and we need Department of this and Department of that.
And the entrepreneurs, the creators, the risk takers soon became outnumbered by the desk workers.
The administrative state, the deep state, was exploded under Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Woodrow Wilson said, quote, the Constitution was founded on the law of gravitation.
The government was to exist and move by virtue of efficacy of checks and balances.
The trouble with the theory is that government is not a machine, but a living thing.
No living thing can have its organs offset against each other as checks and live.
Woodrow Wilson made the argument, this idea of checks and balances, the tension, the slow, arduous process of government.
We need no more of that.
We need the harmony of government.
And thus a fourth branch was born in defiance, a middle finger to Madison, John Jay, and Hamilton.
Woodrow Wilson expanded the administrative state.
And the administrative state was involved in displacing presidents.
According to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the administrative state killed JFK.
The administrative state took out Richard Nixon.
The administrative state controlled Reagan in some sense, controlled H.W. Bush.
H.W. Bush was actually a product of the administrative state.
He ran the CIA before he became vice president, then president.
Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, did whatever the administrative state wanted.
Barack Obama quickly learned a lesson.
You know, he ran a very populist campaign.
We're going to reform government.
We're going to restore power to the people.
And Obama made a very quick realization.
The Administrative State Threat 00:15:52
I'm not going to war with this.
I want to last all eight years, and I want a Netflix deal.
And I don't want to get shot in a convertible.
And I don't want to be removed from office like Richard Nixon.
What do you want, admin state?
And I will do as you wish.
The one president who decided to wage war on the administrative state was Donald Trump.
He ran against it.
He said he was going to drain the swamp.
He wasn't going to put up with it.
Donald Trump built things in his life for 40 years in New York City, big buildings, saved Central Park, saved Woman Rink, the New York Convention Center.
And so the administrative state for him, it didn't make sense.
He said, where is this in the Constitution?
It's getting in the way of self-government.
And then, of course, Chuck Schumer, the clip that we've played many times on this program that we might play again, comes out and he said, for a very shrewd businessman, he's being really dumb because the CIA has six ways from Sunday to get back at you.
Now, the administrative state, you can call it the deep state, you can call it the shadow government.
They outnumber the people's representation.
Congress is supposed to be the people's representation in D.C., and we don't do a very good job of it, but we're doing better.
We gave the House Republicans a majority.
We have some great fighters there.
We have Thomas Massey, who does a good job against the administrative state.
Lauren Boebert, Matt Gates, who's terrific, who's going to join us in a little bit.
If an unelected bureaucracy has any power at all to take out our actual elected and appointed members of government, they are too powerful, and it's against the promise of representative government.
Yesterday, Christopher Wray testified, and something quite rare happened.
In real time, you saw representative government versus administrative government collide.
And it was so clear who actually runs this country.
It is clear that we are no longer a country of the sovereign of the people.
The new sovereign are the unelected, arrogant, smug members of the plutocracy of the kingdom of Washington, D.C. Christopher Wray believes he's better than you.
He's untouchable.
He runs the secret police.
He is the head of the Stasi.
He can spy on you, warrant you, get you arrested.
He flies on Gulf streams at his liking.
He's going to outlast any politician.
He is a permanent installation of the bureaucracy.
Here's Cut 85, Christopher Wray forgetting information, unaware of information, unable to talk about information.
Does this strike you as someone who is afraid of congressional oversight?
Play Cut 85.
Can't remember the dates.
Again, I just can't speak to that here.
I'm not an expert.
I'm not sure yet.
I would really have to see more closely.
I'm not sure that I can give you that number.
I can't get into.
I'm not aware of any such evidence.
I'm not going to speak to that.
I'll decline to comment further.
I will work with the department to make sure we can figure out what information we can provide.
Again, I'm not going to get into that here.
Well, again, I don't want to speculate about it.
I can't speak to the specifics.
I can't speak to the specifics.
The founders' intent was never to have this fourth branch of government.
It's totally unnecessary, but it fits a trend, a trend of humanity, that you might have liberty and self-government, but over time, the failure to pass down those values to one generation to the other, the people slip and they slip and they slip and they clamor and they clamor.
It's the same trajectory the Hebrews went on in the Old Testament.
Congress's job is oversight and accountability.
Ray wants nothing to do with it, but you could just tell he's just like, I'm in charge.
He's probably thinking to himself, I have dirt on all of you congressmen.
I could arrest all of you.
I tried to arrest you, Matt Gates.
He believes he is supreme, better than, above, superior.
Remember, J. Edgar Hoover luxuriated in that exact same power and hubris.
I'm going to play more from the hearing in a second.
It's noteworthy because some of our superstars did very well, but Christopher Ray sits atop the throne.
The American people don't any longer.
So what is on the ballot in 2024?
What is at stake in this next election?
This won't necessarily resonate with non-political voters, but this is important with repeating.
It is a philosophical election of what form of government do you want.
If you vote for the American Democrat Party and Joe Biden, you do not believe in self-government.
You believe in a permanent oligarchy.
You believe in dozens of Christopher Ray's philosopher kings that have outright authority over you.
Donald Trump is the only candidate in the race, maybe Vivek Ramaswamy and others.
DeSantis has talked a good game on this, to his credit.
But there's a reason why he's indicting him.
And I'll show you contrast because the traditional Republican view is to cozy up to these intel agencies.
They're doing good work.
They're keeping us safe.
How?
Are you guys going after child sex traffickers or are you going after political dissidents?
Like before you, I don't know, indict Rudy Giuliani or raid James O'Keefe's home or go after Steve Bannon, why don't you go after the human smugglers that are highlighted in Sound of Freedom?
Chris Christie goes on television to defend Christopher Wray.
This is the uniparty position.
This is the orthodoxy.
The FBI is necessary.
This is showmanship.
Play cut 79.
I want to respond to something that Chris Christie said on Fox News earlier today.
He said that Christopher Wright delivered extraordinary results.
The problem is they're just extraordinarily awful.
And like Chris Christie criticized us for engaging in fundraising theater during this committee.
And I'm not going to take my notes on fundraising from a guy who was a lobbyist and was snouted down in the lobbyist financial money laundering situation when he was raising money from them as governor of New Jersey.
So I'm more likely to take like Chris Christie's exercise plan than I am his fundraising strategy.
I think that's Gates on Fox News.
By the way, that wasn't the clip.
I could tell immediately a person's way too skinny to be Chris Christie, so I could see it right on there.
Okay, I think it's 78.
I don't know what's going on here.
Play cut 78.
What you saw today, I think, was an animated and combative FBI director who's defending the men and women who work for him every day and do a great job and protect us from domestic terrorism, from international terrorism, and from these drug cartels and are helping state and local law enforcement every day with their things.
So, yeah, I think Chris Ray has done a very good job.
And I think, Luke, a lot of the stuff you see today, John, is theater and people trying to raise money for campaigns.
Doesn't mean there aren't problems at the FBI.
There are.
But I believe Chris is a guy who can get them fixed, and he's fixed a lot of them already.
Chris Christie represents a Republican vision.
Again, he has no political support, but it's there.
Donors love this.
Some donors love Chris Christie.
He's going to raise a ton of money, already has.
Which is, we should make friends with the regime.
We should cozy up to the Uniparty.
Eat me last.
I want to get invited to the parties.
The administrative state can help me, help me get contracts, help protect me.
What form of government do you want?
Mike Pence, remember, defended the Department of Justice.
Chris Christie defends the Department of Justice and the FBI because they just don't want to get indicted and they want a comfortable life.
They want a life that they can feel good.
Oh, I'm on the right side of history.
So who is sovereign in this country?
Founders and the promise of 1776 and 1787 and 1791 is the people are sovereign.
That country no longer exists.
And you could see it, by the way.
We're going to play more and more tape.
We have Matt Gates coming up next.
Just the smugness, the smugness, the lack of wanting to answer questions.
Let me just give you another here.
Christopher Wray, asked by pick your fighter.
ISA, how many people were there on January 6th?
He doesn't need to answer.
He doesn't care.
He's not afraid of Congress, but Congress is afraid of him.
Makes you think how much blackmail Christopher Ray and the FBI has on these members of Congress.
Play Cut 67.
How many individuals were either FBI employees or people that the FBI had made contact with were in the January 6th entry of the Capitol and surrounding area?
So I really need to be careful here talking about where we have or have not used confidential human sources.
Was there one or more individuals that would fit that description on January 6th that were in or around the Capitol?
I can't, again, I just can't speak to that here.
You can't speak to it because I don't work for you, Daryl Issa.
I don't work for the people.
I'm the king.
I run the secret police.
Do you know who you're talking to?
I'm the guy that gets to put you in jail.
I am the law, silly congressperson that's to deal with elections.
Stop asking me questions or else I might have to indict you, Daryl Issa.
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Joining us now is the terrific Matt Gaetz, who will be joining us at the Turning Point Action Conference, tpaction.com.
The administrative state and the DOJ was threatening Matt Gates with prison for a year and a half, two years.
Matt Gates never backed down.
Matt Gaetz had an opportunity to face down the Leviathan yesterday.
Want to play this cut?
Then we'll welcome Matt Gates, PlayCut 66.
I'm sitting here with my father.
I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.
I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.
Sounds like a shakedown, doesn't it, Director?
I'm not going to get into commenting on that.
You seem deeply uncurious about it, don't you?
Almost suspiciously uncurious.
Are you protecting the Bidens?
Absolutely not.
The FBI does not.
Oh, hold on, you won't answer the question about whether or not that's a shakedown, and everybody knows why you won't answer it.
Matt Gates, your reaction and your response to Christopher Wray.
Yet, interestingly, dumb on the questions that we ask them.
They forget things or they don't have things at their disposal.
And here, I wanted to showcase to the country that Christopher Wray's unwillingness to acknowledge an obvious shakedown in front of the entire country is reflective of what we see at the FBI.
They target conservatives, they go after President Trump and anyone who supports him.
And then when there's derogatory information that comes in from reliable sources that have helped build dozens of other cases for the FBI, well, they just label all of that foreign interference so that they can continue with the grift.
And so the real question, Charlie, is where do we go from here?
After we expose the bias and the political capture that's occurred at the FBI, we can't just continue business as usual.
That's why in the appropriations process that is coming up in a matter of weeks, we have to take a hatchet to the FBI budget and to the FBI authorities that have been weaponized against the people.
Like the Bidens are one thing, but it's the rest of us that they're still coming for.
In the period of time that the Inspector General looked at the FBI's surveillance authorities, they were conducting 38 illegal queries every hour.
And a judge who reviewed their conduct was particularly aggrieved that they were doing weird personal things, like looking up themselves and their ex-lovers in the process.
This is not an FBI anymore that singularly investigates crimes and holds people accountable.
They've become the enforcement wing of the Democratic Party politically, and then they've just become unconstitutionally nosy with authorities that we have to constrain under the law.
So, Matt, our audience is upset, and they should be.
What, if anything, can we do to rein this in?
Because, I mean, I watched the Christopher Wrings.
He does not feel as if he is accountable to anyone, and certainly not to you.
He doesn't have to answer Congress's questions.
He doesn't believe that there's a check and balance on his power.
He believes he is superior.
It's as if a monarch, a divine right of king oligarch, would come down to the peasants and hear questions at some sort of community meeting, all the while having the power of the Praetorian Guard and secret police to put every single one of them in jail.
How do we reset constitutional structure and form, Matt?
Is it possible?
What is the way forward?
You're right.
And our viewers are right here that there's an arrogance to the tone of Christopher Wray that predominates the entire energy of these exchanges.
One thing we have to do is cut off the money because what we've already seen is you can pass all the laws you want.
They'll just break them.
And they'll do it with impunity, it seems.
And so you have to starve them of the resources that they use to hurt people.
That is number one.
I would go further.
I would explicitly target Director Wray and some of the bureaucrats who've done the most egregious things, and I would zero out their salaries.
One of the things we fought for in January was a specific rule that allows us to zero out specific bureaucrat salaries.
If we don't use that rule regarding the people at the FBI, then that was an unserious endeavor because they deeply deserve it.
But I think there's also a potential criminal referral here for Ray to the Department of Justice, which they will, of course, ignore, but I think that highlights the hypocrisy ever more.
Christopher Wray that the FBI never investigated parent speech at school board meetings.
That was a lie.
We had FBI whistleblower Steve Friend give sworn testimony before the committee that he was taken off of child porn cases and exploitation cases, and he was moved to go to a parking lot at a school board meeting and record people's license plate information so that that could be cross-referenced with other databases.
Steve Friend, that FBI agent, had previously gone to school board meetings as a parent to express concerns about curriculum.
And so he can give that testimony.
I think that Director Ray was not honest with us.
He also wasn't honest with Senator Lee several years ago when he said that there was none of the FISA spying authority used against people who were in Washington, D.C. on January 6th.
A federal judge issued an order essentially saying that that was a lie.
So we have repeated lies.
If we don't enforce the powers of contempt, if we don't send referrals, even though we know what Eric Garland will do with them, then we are not protecting our Article I powers in the Constitution as the United States Congress.
So those are some forward-looking, very aggressive approaches.
Repeated Lies Exposed 00:05:40
But I think that the times we're living in and what we're seeing would call for them to be utilized.
I want to just play a piece of tape here to reiterate the point.
I'm going to play 85 again, play cut 85.
I can't remember the dates.
Again, I just can't speak to that here.
I'm not an expert.
I'm not sure yet.
I would really have to see more closely.
I'm not sure that I can give you that number.
I can't get into.
I'm not aware of any such evidence.
I'm not going to speak to that.
I'll decline to comment further.
I will work with the department to make sure we can figure out what information we can provide.
Again, I'm not going to get into that here.
Well, again, I don't want to speculate about it.
I can't speak to the specifics.
That's a new one, Matt.
You know, we should tell the next time the Democrats take the House, anytime they subpoena people on Team America Conservative, we should just tell them to do the, I'm not going to speak to that.
Could you imagine under subpoena, you just tell a member of that?
That's called you go to jail if you're Steve Bannon and you say, I'm not going to speak to that, Matt Gates.
Yeah, there's some selective amnesia there that's pretty apparent.
But the one data point that Christopher Wray knew with particularity is he had some comeback to me where he said, well, Mr. Gates, all your criticisms of the FBI are not well-founded because we've seen a big increase in recruiting in the state of Florida.
Now, Charlie, you and I both know there are a lot of patriotic Americans that would like to serve in the FBI because they want to fix it.
They want it to be better.
They want it to be what we originally intended as the premier law enforcement entity in our country, not a political operation.
So it's funny that like when you ask Director Ray, how many times has the FISA law been violated while you've been director?
He has no idea about those numbers.
But then when he thinks it's something to jam me on a rhetorical point, he's got a memory that is quite lucid.
So I think that the country saw the absurdity of that.
So Matt, can you walk us through?
Are you going to lead a coalition to defund the FBI?
And what's the likelihood Republicans will go alongside with you?
I mean, I think you got to force a vote.
Put every Republican on the record, including leadership.
Will you defund the federal Bureau of Investigation?
Matt Gates.
We should defund major portions of it.
Obviously, there's crime fighting stuff that's outside of Washington, D.C. that we would want to maintain in some form.
But this iteration of the FBI we have now is like a bad dog that's been turned against its owner.
And sometimes you've got to put them down, however challenging that may be.
I am concerned about the support of some of my fellow Republicans.
I've had Republicans say that they will not support reducing the FBI's budget by $1 because they think that they could get attacked for defunding the police.
Those Republicans are wrong.
They are misguided.
And based on the votes we're going to force, they'll be exposed.
And I hope that we're able to persuade them to take a different viewpoint before that vote occurs.
Yeah, I mean, Matt, what is the so the likelihood is what?
I mean, low, is what you're basically telling me.
The likelihood is low that the House Republicans will defund this secret police, the Stasi, run by Christopher Wray.
Well, they may be slightly higher after yesterday because some of the Republicans who were FBI defenders had to watch Christopher Wray in these absurd exchanges where he was, like you said, on his high horse when responding to Congress.
So, again, it's a work in progress.
There's work to be done.
I would encourage all of your viewers and listeners to share their perspective on FBI and Department of Justice funding with our senators, with their members of Congress.
We are in divided government, and so it's not as if what Matt Gates says goes every time.
But I'm working to build that coalition.
I want to put political pressure on the entire Republican conference to join me in this effort.
And if we're not willing to take resources away from this corrupt entity, what are we even doing here?
I don't know.
I mean, we got this national defense authorization thing coming up, Matt.
If there is ever a time to shut down the government, this is the time to shut down the government, if you ask me.
Just shut it down, forget it.
Matt Gates, you're doing excellent work.
Yeah.
You know, there's a lot of good in that bill, too.
So we'll have to come back sometime and chat about it.
Matt, you're going to be here at our Turning Point Action Conference.
Let's have you on for a deeper discussion.
They try to put you in jail.
You never backed down.
And now you still are confronting the administrative state.
Matt Gates is a courageous man.
We had hundreds of Matt Gates in DC.
The country turns around.
It's that simple.
Matt, keep it up.
Thanks so much.
Thank you, Charlie.
Look forward to seeing you in Palm Beach.
It's going to be a great time.
It's going to be terrific.
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Affirmative Action Debate 00:05:59
Check it out.
Every so often, I'm flipping through the archives of the Rush Limbaugh program and I say, boom, that's perfect.
Play cut 88.
The media did not make Donald Trump and they can't destroy him.
But the media thinks, and when I say media, let me define ABC, CBS, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post, USA Today, LA Times, that cadre.
They have a formula.
They have a blueprint for destroying Republican political officials they don't like.
It's not going to work on Trump.
He doesn't fit that mold.
They're trying to every day.
It's kind of comical to watch.
I miss Rush.
I know many of you as well.
They need to take him out because Donald Trump is now pledging the remainder of his life against the administrative state.
It is the people versus the administrative state.
It is the people versus the Leviathan.
I don't care about your politics.
I don't care about your stances on tax policy.
I don't care if you're a Democrat.
Either you're on the people side or you're on the machine side.
Choose.
That's what 2024 should be all about.
You really have to wonder.
In fact, you know, if we would have said three weeks ago, Blake, if we would have said that Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called the racist.
But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us.
They're coming out and they're saying, I'm only here because of affirmative action.
Yeah, we know you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously.
You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
Play cut 52.
But I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative action, and particularly in higher education.
I may have been admitted on affirmative action, both in terms of being a woman and a woman of color, but I can declare that I did not graduate on affirmative action.
This is my personal story.
I hear because of action, affirmative.
She can't even say that.
We know.
We know it's very obvious to us that you were not smart enough to be able to get in on your own.
I couldn't make it on my own, so I needed to take opportunities from someone more deserving.
You know, this is how arrogant Joy Reed and Katanji Brown Jackson and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee are.
They're so narcissistic, they think this is persuasive.
They think we're like, oh, of course, that's why we need affirmative action because you have impressed us with your brilliance.
Of course.
Oh, no.
Imagine the world without Joy Reed.
Imagine the world about Sheila Jackson Lee or Michelle Obama or Katanji Brown Jackson.
They think this is persuasive.
They think as they kind of now reveal that I'm only here because of anti-white, anti-Asian forced discrimination policies that turn me into a bitter, resentful activist that hates white people, honestly, through our policies.
Joy Reed continues.
Again, this is just the narcissism embedded in this.
This is a separate topic, but it's affirmative action, Joy Reid, play cut 40.
Twitter might be on the slow road to obscurity as Mark Zuckerberg's rival app Threads has surpassed 100 million users in only five days.
Meanwhile, Twitter users are mostly left with a ranting and raving Elon Musk and lots and lots of racists.
You have neo-Nazi Richard Spencer allowed to host Twitter spaces.
It's just one example of Twitter failing to regulate hate speech from their dues paying blue checks, who are also spreading misinformation with a new report showing that blue checks are fueling disinformation about the Ukraine war.
Twitter now is useless to me.
If people like me are leaving, I don't know how Twitter survives.
If people like me that are where we are because of affirmative action, how could they survive?
These people think so highly of themselves.
Joy Reed is without a doubt the dumbest narcissist on television.
And by the way, none of them believe in affirmative action.
You're trying to tell me if Sheila Jackson Lee.
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I want to tell you that we have Sheila Jackson Lee on board.
And in the spirit of affirmative action, we have Ramon and Cadillac are your two pilots.
They've never flown before, but they are black.
Sheila Jackson Lee would be like, forget it, I'm off this plane.
She would jump like, I ain't flying here.
They don't believe it.
Yeah, Andrew, but Ramon and Cadillac did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, and they're black.
Who cares?
I don't care the color of the skin of the pilot.
I care, are you there because you earned it?
My favorite word in the English language is earn.
We should not give people things they did not earn.
If you can't play in the game, then find another game to play.
America needs to be a country that pursues excellence, not rewards, mediocrity, to appease the clamorings of an activist class.
And they don't even believe it.
When Joy Reed ever goes to get surgery, she's not going to be like, oh, I'm so glad I have a black surgeon.
She would want the best surgeon.
They don't even believe their own crap.
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