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Weaponized Government Accountability
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| Joining us now is one of the fighters in the House of Representatives, someone that's fighting very hard, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green. | |
| Congresswoman, thank you for joining us. | |
| We have, I want to start about with the news of you introducing articles of impeachment against U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves. | |
| Tell us about it. | |
| Well, impeachment is very serious, Charlie, but I come from the business world where we can fire people. | |
| You know, in any business, business owners, managers, you fire people when they are corrupt, when they abuse your money, when they destroy your business, when they're doing things wrong in your company. | |
| Impeachment is that tool that we can use that was given to us by the founders of this country where we can actually fire people. | |
| And it's very serious. | |
| The reason why I introduced articles of impeachment yesterday on Matthew Graves is because he is a very special U.S. attorney here in Washington, D.C. for the Department of Justice. | |
| He has the unique ability to prosecute local crimes in Washington, D.C., as well as federal cases. | |
| Now, Matthew Graves, as this powerful attorney, refuses to prosecute 67% of the crimes here in Washington, D.C. that plague the citizens and people that work in the city. | |
| However, he uses his powerful position at the Department of Justice to prosecute January 6th defendants solely. | |
| He goes after them like no prosecutor ever before in the Department of Justice. | |
| These are people that walked in the Capitol like Matthew Perna for only 20 minutes that never even assaulted a police officer, caused no damage to the Capitol, simply walked in. | |
| Well, I want you to know Matthew Perna committed suicide. | |
| He hung himself in his garage after Matthew Graves, the attorney at the Department of Justice, was coming after him so hard for such an act. | |
| And this is the type of weaponization of government that must be stopped. | |
| And the only way to stop it is through impeachment or through our appropriation bills. | |
| And I believe that I'm doing the right thing, and I know I have the support of the American people. | |
| We are living in extraordinary times, and extraordinary measures must be used to stop this weaponized government. | |
| When is the last time, if ever, a U.S. attorney has been successfully impeached? | |
| You know, I'm not aware of the history of impeachment of U.S. attorneys, but I am willing to use the tool. | |
| I don't believe that we have to rely on history. | |
| I think we have to make history, Charlie, and that is what I'm trying to do. | |
| Now, also, I'm really thankful for all the people that have been calling into my office nonstop with support for these articles of impeachment. | |
| The American people are fed up with the federal government that has them in over $31 trillion in debt, does not do anything for their America first interest, but yet has weaponized the government to be turned against them. | |
| And it's time to make a change. | |
| And I believe that is why impeachment is necessary and must be pursued. | |
| So, Congressman, I want you to respond to an objection we received here on an email, and they were very polite. | |
| They said, Dear Congressman Green, big fan, thank you for your leadership, but I'm concerned this is not the best use of our time when we have the debt ceiling looming and the border crisis. | |
| Make the case. | |
| Why are these impeachment fights necessary, especially knowing that the Senate is likely not going to remove? | |
| Well, these impeachment articles of impeachment are extremely important because unless you want things to continue, unless you want the Department of Justice, the FBI, and by the way, I want to add on, I introduced articles of impeachment also against Christopher Wray, who's the FBI director, and against the Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland. | |
| So, so far, I've introduced three articles of impeachment, and I plan to introduce two more, one this afternoon and tomorrow. | |
| I am not finished. | |
| This is impeachment week. | |
| And the reason why this is important and necessary is unless Americans consider corruption and weaponized government as a status quo, then we have to step in and do something about it. | |
| The debt ceiling talks are extremely important, but it's not Republicans that created this problem. | |
| It's Joe Biden and the Democrats. | |
| They spent over $7 trillion in just two years. | |
| My first term in Congress, I am a huge witness to every single bill that they passed. | |
| And that type of spending should be reined in. | |
| Well, we've already accomplished that with the bill that we passed that cuts $4.8 trillion in spending in allowing for the debt ceiling to be raised. | |
| We've done our part. | |
| So we have time for impeachment. | |
| The second piece is we passed our border security package. | |
| This completely secures America's border and keeps Americans safe. | |
| Now we're handing that over to the Senate and to the White House, and they should get the job done. | |
| They should do their part to secure America's borders and to keep Americans safe. | |
| And that's why we can take on impeachment, which is necessary to rein in this weaponized government, to put checks and balances in place and to hold our government accountable for what they have done to innocent Americans. | |
| Is there any hope of pairing debt ceiling negotiations to the Intel community reform, like severely limiting the funding of the FBI? | |
| Well, I want you to know we can do that in our budget and appropriation bills. | |
| As a matter of fact, I've made it known to leadership and I've made it known publicly. | |
| I will be using the power of my voting card and whipping votes in support of stopping the radicalization and the funding of this weaponized government. | |
| We can defund departments. | |
| We can defund people. | |
| We can fire people with the Holman rule. | |
| And that is a very necessary tool that we should be using in our appropriation bills and that I'm already in talks with leadership and I'm already in talks with many Republicans on the way to do that. | |
| So that is a path already being pursued. | |
| And I think the American people would be very happy with Republicans if we use the power of our budget and appropriations to do just that. | |
| We don't have to cut out the entire FBI. | |
| We don't have to cut out the entire Department of Justice. | |
| We just need to use a precision tool in our funding to get rid of the bad actors. | |
| Is there an appetite for leadership on that? | |
| Is there an appetite for that? | |
| Because that seems to be sometimes a bridge that leadership does not always want to cross. | |
| Well, I think what I would like to say for everyone on that is I completely understand the mistrust, especially of elected politicians. | |
| But I would also say don't underestimate the current leadership. | |
| I supported Kevin McCarthy for a reason, and I support some of our other leadership for reasons. | |
| Now, remember, we have 222 Republicans, and it takes 218 to pass any bills. | |
| So these are things that we are working out in our conference. | |
| But I would like to say that I think there is definitely an appetite in our conference to rein in the intelligence community and also to make sure this doesn't happen anymore. | |
| And that's the power of our committees and the investigations that we're doing. | |
| We have a legislative purpose with all of these committees, and Republicans intend to use them. | |
| I want to play a piece of tape here. | |
| Repeatedly, Adam Schiff said there are multiple instances of Trump-Russia collusion. | |
| Let's play Cut 43. | |
| But you admit it's a circumstance. | |
| All you have right now is a circumstantial case. | |
| Actually, no, Chuck. | |
| I can tell you that the case is more than that. | |
| And I can't go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now. | |
| So again, I think you have seen direct evidence of collusion. | |
| I don't want to go into specifics, but I will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial and is very much worthy of investigation. | |
| So that is what we ought to do. | |
| Is it time to expel him from Congress? | |
| Is that realistic? | |
| Well, I would say it's certainly something we should be considering when we're talking about expelling members of Congress. | |
| Adam Schiff is one of the biggest liars that has ever served in the United States Congress. | |
| He abused his power on every single committee and weaponized the power of Congress against his political enemies, mainly President Donald J. Trump. | |
| Adam Schiff should definitely be held accountable for the lies that he told to the American people, not only from his position as Congress, but on every single mainstream media platform that would put a microphone in front of his face. | |
| The Durham Report has shown the truth to the American people. | |
| And I believe, Charlie, that we should hold everyone accountable for that. | |
| I don't know about you, but it takes a lot to shock me these days. | |
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| So, Congresswoman, I'm a little concerned that this is going to be a long Republican presidential primary. | |
| I'm guessing that you're 100% behind Donald Trump. | |
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The Trans Terrorism Threat
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| I'm guessing that. | |
| Are you worried that this could be an overly contentious primary to just get us to the eventual same conclusion? | |
| What are your thoughts? | |
| Well, first off, I'll tell you I'm 100% behind President Donald J. Trump. | |
| I've been behind him since day one, and I'm honored to support him. | |
| I'm grateful for the four years he gave us as president, and America desperately needs four more years of President Trump. | |
| I don't think this needs to be a contentious, long primary. | |
| As a matter of fact, it's an unnecessary one. | |
| Republican voters are making it overwhelmingly known pretty much every single poll that they're asked that their choice for president is President Trump. | |
| And so, there's no need for fights. | |
| I see him on social media all the time. | |
| I don't like seeing it. | |
| I think everyone needs to line up behind President Trump. | |
| He's the one that created America First Policies. | |
| He's the one that created Make America Great Again, which is a wonderful policy plan. | |
| And I think that's just the right thing to do. | |
| So, I'm excited to just let everyone know, go ahead and support President Trump. | |
| He's going to be our nominee. | |
| Cut 72, I want to play a piece of tape of you speaking out on the Trans Day of Vengeance. | |
| Front page of yahoo.com yesterday said that violence against trans people increasing. | |
| A bunch of nonsense, not mentioning the Christian hate crime in Nashville, in Tennessee. | |
| I think it was Nashville, yeah. | |
| And we have our pastor summit there actually next week, fittingly. | |
| We're going to address that. | |
| Play Cut 72, please. | |
| Just recently, there was a trans day of vengeance, which is definitely not right-wing extremism or violence. | |
| This looks terrifying, and it's definitely from the left because on the right, I can assure you we believe in two genders. | |
| It's male and female. | |
| This is what left-wing extremism and violence stems from, is the movement that wants to use trans terrorism against Americans, violating the whole idea of biological science. | |
| Elaborate on that, Congresswoman Green. | |
| Yeah, this is where we're seeing the radical left. | |
| They are showing up and supporting this trans ideology, this sick and disgusting lie that they are pressing on the most innocent among us, and that's children. | |
| They're trying to convince children that they can change their gender when that is the biggest lie that's ever been told to children. | |
| We are created in God's image. | |
| He created us in his image, male and female. | |
| Thankfully, to God, he made it very clear there are only two genders. | |
| There are only two sexes. | |
| But children are being brainwashed, and they're being basically consumed into the trans ideology, which is not only an ideology trying to tell children that they can undergo horrific genital mutilation surgeries, cutting off their breasts, castrating them, destroying their body for the rest of their lives. | |
| But even more so, they have funded groups all over the country that are pressing this ideology, and they are extremely dangerous. | |
| Trans day of that trans day of vengeance is trans terrorism. | |
| And thankfully, to people like you, Charlie, and many others who spoke out against it, that potential dangerous protest or whatever they were planning to do, a trans day of vengeance here in Washington, D.C., was stopped. | |
| But let's talk about trans terrorism. | |
| It's very real. | |
| Trans-terrorism exists like this. | |
| It's those on the left that chased Riley Gaines and basically kidnapped her and held her hostage in a room in San Francisco when she was there to speak as a biological woman, as a female athlete, talking about women's rights and women's sports and her experience being forced to compete against a six-foot-four Will Thomas that calls himself Leah. | |
| Transterrorism exists in this horrific and terrifying form where biological men force themselves into women's bathrooms, girls' dorm rooms, little girls' bathrooms, women's sports, and all types of women's places of privacy. | |
| Transterrorism exists where biological men basically try to replace women. | |
| But the real trans terrorism comes from the president of the United States, Joe Biden, that supports this trans ideology, this sick and disgusting lie that he supports that children, children can change their gender. | |
| You know what? | |
| That is the worst, most terrifying thing we've ever seen from any elected government official. | |
| But it's not just Joe Biden, it's the entire Democrat Party. | |
| And I want to tell you, I want to speak out harshly against this. | |
| Transterrorism needs to be stopped in its tracks in every single way that we see it. | |
| Marjorie Taylor Greene, keep up the fabulous work. | |
| Thank you so much. | |
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Closing the Delegate Gap
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| Thank you, Charlie. | |
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| Joining us now is Rich Barris. | |
| Tons of topics to cover across the board. | |
| Rich, I want you to be honest. | |
| Handicap the odds. | |
| If you were a Vegas odds maker, you run big data poll, you do a great job. | |
| Democrat likely to win the White House, Republican likely win the White House. | |
| What does Caesars Palace have to say? | |
| You know, Charlie, I'm going to put it right now at 55, 45 Republican. | |
| And I'm the reason why, let me explain it. | |
| Is that right now? | |
| I do think that it's very likely that Trump will be the nominee, although you can never rule out anything totally in politics. | |
| That being said, it depends on the fight in the primary. | |
| It does. | |
| Joe Biden, I'm looking at some of these races last night. | |
| Jacksonville was a disaster for Republicans. | |
| Democrats outvoted Republicans in the Central Bucks locals election. | |
| They crushed the Republican in one of the special elections in Pennsylvania. | |
| And they didn't get both like they wanted, but they got one and they got it easy. | |
| And then, you know, when you're just looking at Kentucky, Republicans flex their muscles because of Trump's turnout. | |
| You know, but that's not certain going forward. | |
| And I remain convinced that Democrats will harvest close to 90 million ballots for Joe Biden at this point. | |
| And Republicans better be ready for it. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And so that's the question: is that from a sentiment standpoint, I think the table is set for Republicans to do very well. | |
| But have you seen the investments, Rich, on an infrastructure standpoint, on a ballot chasing standpoint? | |
| I'm going to play a piece of tape here. | |
| I want you to react to it. | |
| This is the head of the RNC, Rana Romney, in her own words, who's a very nice person, very kind. | |
| And people know my other thoughts on that. | |
| Let's just say this: let's go to Cut 49. | |
| Republicans wait until election year and then they invest. | |
| And you have to invest now in the process. | |
| You cannot wait. | |
| Text Wind 80810. | |
| You cannot wait. | |
| We need to be getting people on the permanent absentee voter file in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. | |
| It takes money. | |
| You can't wait until the candidates are picked. | |
| You have to invest in the process. | |
| We need to change the culture in our party. | |
| Are you acknowledging that it's not happening now? | |
| No, I'm not acknowledging that. | |
| We are investing in all these states, minority outreach. | |
| Investing behind the eight ball. | |
| That's my point. | |
| No, we are not behind the eight ball. | |
| I'm saying we need more money. | |
| We need resources. | |
| Of course, we do. | |
| And I will say the Democrats are outraising us 100% because they invest in process. | |
| And I talk to voters and donors all the time. | |
| They say, I want to say, see who the candidate is. | |
| I'm going to wait to see who the nominee is. | |
| You have to invest in both, the process and the nominee. | |
| Rich, are we seeing that investment happening in the key states? | |
| And I know Democrats are just pouring money into infrastructure. | |
| Charlie, I hear that clip and my head wants to explode. | |
| The fact of the matter is, what Democrats, a great article in Real Clear Politics yesterday about why Republicans underperformed, has nothing to do with media narratives. | |
| It runs counter to all of that. | |
| You know, this about Trump, that about Trump. | |
| The fact of the matter is, they beat Republicans in infrastructure and they did a great job harvesting ballots where they needed to harvest. | |
| And they bucked history by doing that. | |
| None of it was done through the DNC. | |
| It was done through private groups. | |
| That being said, those private groups have vendors. | |
| And this is what I do for a living. | |
| The databases with left-wing vendors and that are serving these left-wing organizations are much better than Rona McDaniels' databases. | |
| They're better than Campaign Sidekick. | |
| They're better than her permanent billion-dollar permanent data operation. | |
| I have Republican candidates constantly coming to me. | |
| I scrub their lists. | |
| They haven't raised, as far as I know, and we increased early vote turnout in Central Bucks historically for Republicans last night. | |
| And it was a great achievement. | |
| It's not where it needs to be, but it was a good achievement. | |
| Private, other local races actually won some counties previously, which I'm talking about overall vote. | |
| They actually won it, did a great job. | |
| None of that was done with the RNC. | |
| None of it. | |
| That was done by private entities and candidates coming to me and saying, Rich, I need a good list and I need a plan to register these people to the absentee ballot, permanent absentee ballot list. | |
| I haven't seen the RNC do it in a single state. | |
| Pennsylvania, just last week, I got a call from state officials in Michigan, and they are wondering about data sourcing and having better lists because they haven't talked to the RNC. | |
| The Michigan State Party is in complete shambles. | |
| They need a private entity to help them do this. | |
| If you give your money to the RNC, ladies and gentlemen, you're wasting it. | |
| You're going to waste it. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| As of right now, there is nothing at all to suggest that they know what to do with that money, even if they had good enough databases to do something with it. | |
| And the fact is they don't. | |
| They have horrible latency issues and it's not where it needs to be. | |
| If she really wants to help Charlie, she should be stepping up and calling for basically an end to this primary. | |
| And if you, this is what it's going to take. | |
| You don't have the time or money to fight like this amongst each other. | |
| You don't have it. | |
| They're going to beat you in 24 if you don't get your act together. | |
| Rich, if you were, let's just say, Ron DeSantis' chief strategist and knowing what you know, how what is the path there? | |
| And I'm struggling to see it. | |
| Now, in January, I totally saw it. | |
| I mean, it was a clear path. | |
| It was neck and neck. | |
| But things change and they change quickly. | |
| If you were to just say, hey, okay, I am Ron DeSantis' chief strategist. | |
| What does he have to do? | |
| What has to change for him to be competitive? | |
| I know what their strategy is, which is to wait for these other indictments to be rolled out and hope against hope that they hurt the former president. | |
| And they're also putting together a plan in California because of the way that they allocate delegates by congressional district in the hopes that even if Trump carries the state of California, they can kind of close the delegate gap that they know they're going to need to close by the time Super Tuesday rolls around. | |
| I don't think there's, if I was his strategist, I would have never have convinced him to get into this race. | |
| Last night with Kentucky, they really believed that Kelly Kraft was closing the gap with Cameron and that a last-minute endorsement from Ron DeSantis maybe wouldn't put her over Charlie, but she was dominating the airways for the last 30 days more. | |
| And they really did believe they had polling to suggest that that race was close and closing. | |
| And with the last-minute endorsement, maybe we can get a narrative that we can help shift the way the polling is going now. | |
| This is what they're thinking. | |
| Well, after last night, the mega donors of which Kelly Kraft is one, unbelievable that DeSantis would put his name to that, but they're the same advisors, the same people who are running her campaign, the same ones who surround Ron DeSantis. | |
| You better take a good look at that map in Kentucky because Trump is up big in the Northeast. | |
| New Jersey, he's at 70%. | |
| Ron DeSantis is in the single digits in New York. | |
| These are very delegate-rich states. | |
| Florida, right now, Ron DeSantis is not only down, Trump is above 50 and approaching 60 in our polling. | |
| That's winner-take-all. | |
| So even if the California plan works, Charlie, you're going to get steamrolled. | |
| What do you mean the California? | |
| So just build that out a little bit more. | |
| It's just because of the delegate appropriation. | |
| He thinks he can win the whole state of California. | |
| I'm just trying to understand. | |
| He wants to bring this to the convention floor probably. | |
| He thinks that he can. | |
| Yeah, they think they can change the narrative if they lose Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, and then they roll up into Super Tuesday. | |
| California has a ton of delegates. | |
| And the truth is that you could lose most of California and most Republican primary voters. | |
| But if you win the Bay Area and you win Los Angeles, they're allocated by congressional district and how big these districts are. | |
| So it's a crazy system. | |
| But they tried it last time with Trump, but they weren't as organized. | |
| And Trump wound up just winning it anyway. | |
| But things are different now. | |
| They moved it up. | |
| They moved California up in the hope that they can get a narrative win. | |
| Well, I think it builds it up for Democrats too, though, right? | |
| I think this was mostly a Democrat. | |
| I mean, like, because Pelosi and Newsom and Camley, they want their home state to be more important, right? | |
| They're trying to. | |
| Well, so did Jessica, so did Jessica Patterson. | |
| If you look at her, if you look at her Twitter feed, yeah, if you look at her Twitter feed over the last year, you'll see that, and by the way, that's Kevin's right-hand girl. | |
| If you look at her Twitter feed, she has been open about how California is going to have an outsized role in picking the Republican nominee. | |
| And there is, when I say the California plan, it's not very well, it's not very public, but people who are involved in California politics out there, you know, it's get Tom McClintock, which they already apparently did, to sort to endorse DeSantis, Kevin Kiley, who was in a tight race, and a bunch of people frankly endorsement. | |
| Who did Kevin Kiley endorse? | |
| He hasn't yet, but from what I hear, that's coming. | |
| So to get all of them for DeSantis for DeSantis. | |
| For DeSantis. | |
| They're going to try to line California up behind DeSantis. | |
| So if Trump wins, they expect they'll lose the Central Valley to him, but maybe they can keep Orange. | |
| They keep L.A., the San Francisco, the Bay Area, right? | |
| So if they did do that, mathematically, it would close the gap, but it wouldn't matter, Charlie, because the South is, he's going to get steamrolled in the South. | |
| Trump is literally, at this point, would take every single delegate in South Carolina. | |
| And then the Midwest, they would need some strength in the Midwest. | |
| But again, I just don't see it. | |
| I don't see it. | |
| Yeah, I mean, so you're looking at, okay, Trump gets 60% of the delegates and DeSantis might get 40% of the delegates. | |
| I mean, if it's 55%, 60, 70. | |
| But Rich, let's just game this out. | |
| What you just articulated is a 250 million minimum, 500 million more realistic six-month circus. | |
| Is that correct? | |
| Yeah, half a billion dollar circus. | |
| And then with the hope for a hope to get the same thing that we would get anyway. | |
| That's it. | |
| And all it has the potential to do is fracture the party. | |
| We just earlier this morning on the show went over the, you know, the details of Kentucky and looking at it in the context of some of the polling we've done and is new and out now. | |
| Kentucky is bad for Team DeSantis because there's two universes of pollsters right now. | |
| One where it's myself, it's Emerson, Rasmussen, welcome to the club this morning, 6217, Trump, and then most others. | |
| But they have a few others that they have been arguing is showing a closer race and that the rest of us are wrong. | |
| Well, the problem is now, Kentucky just happened and a couple of us weighed in on that. | |
| So what Kentucky suggests is that our polling universe is accurately reflecting the state of this electorate, the mood of this electorate. | |
| If you add Cameron and Quarles's vote share, what you have is the vote share that we're all predicting for Trump and Kentucky right now, 70 plus percent, right? | |
| And where is Kelly at around 17%, which is exactly DeSantis' vote share? | |
| So if we were right about the primary, Charlie, right, then we're right about the state of the race. | |
| And if we're right about the state of those races, chances are we're right about the rest of them, including the national environment. | |
| So let me just say this really quick. | |
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| No candidate, even a non-incumbent candidate, even this early in the cycle, has ever lost the nomination when they were polling at or above 50%. | |
| Yes, even this early. | |
| And no non-incumbent has ever lost a nomination with 60 or more at this point, this early, elected national and gubernatorial endorsements. | |
| Trump has both. | |
| He's got both, those milestones already covered. | |
| So this would be the first time in history, modern history. | |
| The closest one to lose was Ted Kennedy, but he wasn't at 50. | |
| At his highest, he was at 45. | |
| This is very different. | |
| And Ted Kennedy did not have those endorsed. | |
| He didn't have the support. | |
| Look, I just wanted to say, endorsements don't mean anything. | |
| Trump has proven endorsements don't mean anything. | |
| You know what? | |
| You know what Trump does have? | |
| Trump has right-wing media largely behind him. | |
| That means a lot more than some senator or some dog catcher. | |
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| Rich, if you were advising Donald Trump, would you advise him to participate in the debates? | |
| Wow, what a great question, Charlie. | |
| And if I may, real quick, just somebody had texted me during the break. | |
| Because it's statistically significant when you're 50% or above. | |
| It's now about changing minds. | |
| It's not about persuasion anymore. | |
| So that's why it's statistically significant. | |
| But I would, Charlie, and I'm going to tell you why. | |
| It is normally a no-no for a candidate with a lead this large to debate because it's usually all downside for them. | |
| And of course, if you're the loser or you're trailing, you want to debate and you make a big deal out of it because you're hoping for a misstep by the frontrunner that you can capitalize on. | |
| But there, let me, if I played Devil's Advocate, I would say this: Ron DeSantis is not a good debater. | |
| He's very awkward on stage. | |
| Anyone who followed the Gillam campaign or the Chris campaign, even with the lessons, he hasn't improved to the point where I think he'd look great on a national stage with Donald Trump. | |
| Number two is that the moderators, if you look at the presidential debate schedule, it's going to look a lot like 2015 and 16 again. | |
| The moderators are going to make it look like they're helping Ron DeSantis and people are good. | |
| The optics of it are going to turn people off. | |
| So, you know, there's an upside to it. | |
| I don't think he should. | |
| He's got this image of being afraid of nothing. | |
| Look at how he just completely handled CNN during the town hall. | |
| I just don't see why he wouldn't get up there and give his voters, by the way, what they want. | |
| They love it when Donald Trump gets on that stage and levels someone. | |
| So, you know, do it. | |
| I would say do it. | |
| So you say participate. | |
| Got it. | |
| I do. | |
| That's interesting. | |
| I think it's currently debated right now. | |
| I mean, at least Trump's statements, it doesn't make any real mystery here. | |
| You know, it's interesting. | |
| You know, Trump going and doing CNN shows that he's not afraid, but does it give openings or opportunities for other candidates, which then segues, Rich, you know, let's put Trump and Ron DeSantis aside. | |
| Is there any other candidate that's starting to gain steam or traction? | |
| There's talk about Vivek starting to, you know, he went from like two to five percent, which is more than Nikki Haley. | |
| And that's also just fascinating, Rich. | |
| I mean, how much the conservative movement has changed. | |
| You remember when there was almost like a pseudo-coronation for Nikki Haley, and he's like, is she still running? | |
| I mean, she's a sweet person. | |
| I've always been friendly with her, but I certainly don't see her campaign resonating with many people. | |
| It does really show you how much the movement has changed. | |
| And you got to give it to her for at least staying in her lane, defining her laning, and staying in it. | |
| But over the last month in our polling, she and anyone else, I mean, Pence is still in third, a very distant third. | |
| But now, Vivek is basically tied with him in our poll. | |
| He's a little bit above five. | |
| Vivek is at like 4.8. | |
| So, I mean, if you round, it's statistically insignificant. | |
| And if you round, they're both at 5%. | |
| Meanwhile, Haley and Tim Scott both cratered in our polling. | |
| But I got to give it to her that at least she's saying, I'm trying to stake out a certain lane, and this is where I'm at. | |
| And I'm not going to try to pretend to be something I'm not. | |
| The major problem with anyone else so far is that they have essentially tried to out-Trump Trump in Trump's lane. | |
| And Trump's lane is by far the biggest lane. | |
| We have him now at about at least, depending on where we're polling, but nationally, over two-thirds of the self-identified conservative vote. | |
| So that lane is just locked at this point for him. | |
| Moderates, you know, there's three in 10, let's say they'll be roughly of the Republican primary electorate, but it's just not enough to consolidate. | |
| So Vivek is taking this. | |
| Most of his second choice voters in our polling are Trump voters, which is odd. | |
| Finally, so it reminds me of the Scott Adams voters. | |
| Sorry to interrupt. | |
| What we know now, what is the missing piece for what a VP for Trump would be the most helpful? | |
| What are you seeing that is necessary? | |
| Because sometimes VPs can help, or sometimes they can just, you know, not, you know, Mike Pence didn't, I don't know how much he did or didn't do. | |
| What do you think? | |
| It's a different calculation this time in 2016. | |
| With Mike Pence, it was, you know, calm the fears of traditional conservatives. | |
| Obama picked Biden to calm older white people. | |
| Let's be real, right? | |
| With Trump, he doesn't really need, he doesn't really need that anymore. | |
| I think what he'll need is an opportunity or an opening, maybe a Chris Sununu in New Hampshire, you know, in a state where there's Chris Sununu. | |
| No, no, he's not. | |
| He's not. | |
| But somebody like that, you know, where they give you at least some appeal in a state, a specific state that's yeah, so maybe Ron Johnson. | |
| I think Ron Johnson would be interesting. | |
| Yeah. | |
| That's exactly what I'm saying. | |
| I think Ron Johnson would be a strategic selection. | |
| He could basically just campaign for the Wisconsin. | |
| I think Ron Johns would make some sense. | |
| That's smart. | |
| We're out of time. | |
| Big data poll. | |
| Rich Barris. | |
| Thanks so much. | |
| Appreciate it. | |
| All the best. | |
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