Industrial-Scale Human Trafficking with Sheriff Mark Lamb and Jack Posobiec
For two years, DHS Secretary Mayorkas claimed the border was under control. Now, he claims the border calamity is the fault of Republicans for not passing "comprehensive reform" — in other words, an amnesty. Sheriff Mark Lamb helps unpack the preventable, deliberate apocalypse along the U.S.-Mexico border. Jack Posobiec joins with his take as well, and also talks about President Trump's continued resurgence in 2024 polling as well as Poland possibly reviving the death penalty.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Immigration Crisis and Court Dates00:15:18
Welcome, everybody, to the Charlie Kirk Show.
This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show, filling in for Charlie, who's taking the week off.
But meanwhile, we have lots to go over.
We have Sheriff Mark Lamb, who walks through what the heck is going on on the border, just how bad it is, what he's seeing in his sector alone, and why the Biden administration is basically thumbing their noses at American citizens and doing a lot of lip service.
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Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
This is producer Andrew Colvett filling in for the one and only Charlie Kirk, who's taking some much-needed RR this week.
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We have a great guest in store for you, Sheriff Mark Lamb from Pinal County, Arizona.
Sheriff, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thank you, Andrew.
I appreciate you having me on.
Well, we appreciate you coming in and giving us an update.
Just let's start with the basics here.
Tell us what you're seeing on the ground.
In the last few weeks, have you seen a surge ahead of Title 42 being removed by the Biden administration?
Have you already seen those numbers skyrocket?
Oh, yeah.
The numbers have been up for the last two years.
They continue to go up every day, every month.
And now we expect them to really increase.
I'll tell you right now, as we speak, my guy is dealing with two cars that were traveling together down the US 60 from Superior because they're trying to bypass the I-10 freeway where we are pulling our traffic stops.
One of those vehicles had 11 people in it.
One of them had 14 people in it.
We have arrested the drivers, but there's 25 illegals in two cars that were driving tandem down the 60.
And we're dealing with that right now as we speak.
So I want to, you know, obviously it's been bad for two years.
You know, Maorkis is, and that's important, right?
Because what we're seeing is that Mallorkis, Secretary Mayorkas, is now claiming that it's Congress's fault for this spike.
It's Congress for failing to, you know, the euphemism that they always used to throw out there, immigration reform.
Let's go ahead and play cut 94.
Secretary Mayorkas blaming Congress.
I cannot overemphasize that our current situation is the outcome of Congress leaving a broken, outdated immigration system in place for over two decades, despite unanimous agreement that we desperately need legislative reform.
So he says we need legislative reform, Sheriff.
But you, being on the front lines of this crisis, can pinpoint that there was a before and after, can you not?
So if it was Congress's fault, why was it distinctly better under President Trump?
And even for that matter, President Obama.
What changed that caused this crisis to escalate?
The administration, the leadership in border and border patrol and in DHS is what changed.
You know, the sign of weak leadership is blaming other people.
Whether it is Congress's fault or not, he is in charge and he should accept that responsibility.
That's what a good leader would do and get to fixing it.
You know, he's all this time he's been telling everybody it wasn't a problem, that there wasn't a crisis, that the border was under control.
Now that he realizes he can no longer hide that from the American people, now all of a sudden it's Congress's fault.
Well, let me remind you: just a short two, six months ago, and for the two years previous to that, there was one party that controlled the House, the Senate, and the presidency.
And I spoke, and I spoke back in about a month and a half ago at a congressional hearing in D.C. I actually said this to one of the Democrat members of Congress.
I said, listen, you guys had the House, the Senate, and the presidency, but failed to pass any comprehensive immigration reform.
So it's both Republicans and Democrats failing the people on this level of immigration.
However, border security, regardless of what the immigration laws are, can still be maintained.
And President Trump proved that over four years by reducing it to the levels we've never seen before.
So I don't buy his argument, and it's a sign of poor leadership to blame somebody else.
Yeah, well, I mean, Andy Biggs, somebody you and I both know and appreciate, he's been calling for the impeachment of Secretary Mayorkis for basic dereliction of duty and for flouting our immigration laws.
I think the time is now.
Why not now?
The border, this crisis has escalated to astronomical proportions.
It's been bad for years.
We all know it's been bad for years.
But why then, Sheriff, did Biden come into office and then instantly stop building the wall?
Why did he come in and revoke Remain in Mexico?
And why did he fight in the courts for years to get rid of Title 42?
President Trump was using our leverage with these countries in the Northern Triangle, for example, also with Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, to stop this sea of migration.
And yet, in one fell swoop, this administration has taken something that was relatively under control and turned it into an absolute disaster.
So I want to bring back Secretary America's because he went on the offense this morning.
He wanted to reassure everybody, cast blame, like you just said.
But he also wanted to say that this does not mean our border is open.
Title 42 does not mean our border is open.
I'm going to ask for your reaction on the other side of this.
Play Cut 86.
Let me be clear.
The lifting of the Title 42 public health order does not mean our border is open.
In fact, it is the contrary.
Now, you are an expert on this.
You were on the front lines.
Does Title 42, the revoking of it?
And he also later went on to mention Title VIII.
This is this new thing he's saying, Title VIII.
What is in brass tax it for us?
Does the removal of Title 42 mean that our borders are open?
Does it really?
It matters what they say.
It's what they do.
And their actions have sent a message across the world that we're not going to hold people accountable.
So it doesn't matter that they say, hey, listen, the border is not open.
That's kind of what they do.
But really, what they're saying is their words mean nothing because their actions tell the cartels and tell all the people coming here illegally that you won't be sent back.
You won't be thrown in jail.
You won't be held accountable for breaking our laws.
And the actions matter more than the words.
So, you know, that's really, and I want to go back to one thing you said: is Joe Biden said two years ago, two and a half years ago, he said he wanted to reinvent America.
That was his campaign slogan.
And one of the ways you do that is you undermine the rule of law.
And a great way to undermine the rule of law is by opening the border and flooding our communities with unknown people, flooding our streets with people that could be criminals.
They can be sex offenders.
We have no idea because they haven't done their job.
And then they're flooding our communities with dangerous drugs, in particular fentanyl, which has become the leading cause of death amongst Americans.
And that is how you undermine the rule of law, especially for us and local law enforcement, because we have no ability to enforce immigration.
That has been time and time again reaffirmed by the federal government and the courts that it is their responsibility.
So when you talk about opening the borders, it reinvents America by undermining the rule of law and making our job very difficult, creating even greater need for federal government, which is where we cannot continue to look for the federal government for the answers.
They are the problem, not the answer.
Well, yeah, and don't look to Katie Hobbs to be taking any bold stands at the border at the state level.
And, you know, I mean, at least Texas has a fighting chance, right, of sending some of its own personnel to the border to augment the force that the CBP is.
I mean, and that's actually what I was planning on asking about it.
You interact with a lot of CBP, Customs and Border Patrol folks.
You know them.
You work alongside them.
Probably your two offices coordinate at some level.
What are they saying?
Where's morale at?
I mean, are they essentially, it feels like we have turned them into glorified paper pushers, right?
They basically are processing the orders from my Orcas is just process faster.
Let more people in.
They're glorified paper pushers and babysitters.
They're very frustrated.
They don't like what's going on.
They feel like they're aiding and abetting in this human smuggling organization because they're now having to take people and drop them off into our communities.
We talked to a guy the other day that said they had to drop off like a thousand people into Tucson, which were people from India, from Brazil, from Africa, from all these different countries.
They weren't even people from Mexico.
And so this is what we're going to be dealing with.
And now the governor, we met with the governor yesterday.
Their plan is not to enforce or to help stop the problem.
Their plan is really just to, as far as it relates to law enforcement, is search and rescue, which we do anyway.
We don't really need the help of the state if they want to help cover some of the costs of the fuel and all that that are going to increase because we have to go get people out of the desert.
But that was it.
Other than that, it's all about transporting these people coming in this country illegally, housing them, trying to accommodate them.
And it sends a really bad message.
And what we ask the consistent on the messaging, and the messaging should be that here in Arizona, you will be held accountable.
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All right, Sheriff Mark Lamb, you just heard Secretary Mayorka saying that his policies are working and actually, you know, we're just letting a lot more people in legally so that there's no more border encounters.
Is that what he's just saying right there?
Is that how you interpret it?
Well, basically, that is it.
You know, the Secretary of Security has that right to be able to just let people in, I guess.
And he's just letting them in.
And that's his way of saying, hey, look, we've made this process much better.
We've got a lot of work to do on the immigration end.
Let me put it into perspective for your viewers.
In Arizona, there are 386 ICE agents in the state of Arizona.
Most states don't have that amount of people in it.
Just this morning alone, before I even came on this show, there were 800 people that had already been that had come across in Yuma, and there was another 400 waiting on the other side to come across.
So we couldn't even process all the people out of this country that just came in today, let alone having to deal with millions of people.
So there's a real problem to deal with there.
We've got to actually enforce the law, whether it's Title 42, which is now going away.
You need to enforce Title VIII, which means that you cannot come into this country illegally.
We certainly need to streamline the process for those people who do actually take the attempt to file their paperwork and come into this country illegally.
In many cases, we are impeding people who are married to Americans or have children born in America from coming back into this country who are trying to do it the right way.
All the while we are allowing and opening the gates for those people who are coming here illegally and rubber stamping people like he just talked about from other countries just to come in.
So there's a lot of work that needs to be done on the congressional side.
Let me highlight something for you, Sheriff.
This is Bill Melusian put out a tweet.
He said, FYI, when you hear DHS Secretary Mayorkis say that migrants are placed into removal proceedings, that does not mean they are being removed.
Sometimes it does, but a large majority of the time it means release with future court date.
That is part of Title VIII removal proceedings.
Well, then he follows that up here with this is a News Nation reporter on the board.
He says, I'm speaking with Venezuelan migrants in El Paso who have been released with NTA's notice to appear with a court date in 2026.
2026.
They get a three-year visa, basically.
Well, you beat me to it.
I was actually going to tell you that the average court date was two to four years.
Now it's about three to five years from now.
So they give them the ability to come into this country and not be held accountable for coming to this country illegally.
They're giving them court dates from who knows when.
Fixing the Broken System00:04:05
And you don't have enough judges to process all the thousands of people that are coming today.
And so imagine, are those court dates ever even going to happen?
And they have the statistic for those who show back up to court is extremely low.
So basically, they know that once we let them in, the likelihood of them actually going through the process and becoming legal is very low.
But yet they continue to do it.
They know the damage this is causing, yet they're refusing.
They're turning a blind eye to it.
And it has, to me, it feels like it's on purpose that they are actually undermining this country.
They're doing it at the southern border.
It's basically like they've looked at how can we screw this up the most royally possible.
Let's do that.
Anything common sense, anything that obviously would disincentivize the sea of migrants, the 700,000 that are banging down the door right now and are going to come in tomorrow at midnight.
Anything that would disincentivize them, they've thrown out.
All right.
So I just want to say, you know, Sheriff, you're phenomenal on this issue and so many other issues.
If you're king of America in one minute, how do we solve this?
How do we fix this?
And is there our only option?
We have to wait, you know, until 2024.
How do we fix this now and maybe later?
And that's a big question.
One minute.
Well, we fix it by electing better people into office.
Elections have consequences.
And the people they put in power, like Majorca, have consequences.
He should be impeached.
But the way we fix it, and you don't have to reinvent the wheel, go back to the Trump era policies.
Those were working.
We can build off of those.
But let's start with that.
And I think we could regain control of this border in a very short order and start to put in place some real immigration reform and deal with this issue once and for all.
But we've got to have better people in office to do that.
Yeah.
Anytime I hear the Democrats talk about immigration reform or humane immigration, all that is, that's code for open borders.
When the Democrats say it, I just, I want to vomit because it doesn't mean they're actually going to do anything.
It just means they're going to, you heard Majorca.
He said, we're fixing it.
Yeah, we're fixing it.
We're letting more people in legally.
That's the fix.
Sheriff Mark Lamb, you're a great American, a great patriot.
Please, you know, keep up the good work and keep in Arizona safe.
We'll talk to you soon.
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Up next is Jack Posobiec, Turning Point USA host of Human Events Daily and friend of the Charlie Kirk.
So, Jack, welcome back.
Andrew, it's great to be back.
You know, we've been over here in Europe.
We were here for the Budapest Summit.
We were visiting family.
We took a little bit of time, but it's great to be able to, working the way we work.
You know, we're able to do this from pretty much anywhere.
However, I got to say, man, haven't had any blackout coffee because there is no blackout coffee over here.
And I'm jonesing, man.
I'm getting twitchy over here just thinking about it.
Well, blackout coffee is the, it powers this show.
And I, you know, I put my money where my mouth is.
I got a cup of it right here.
I had the team bring it.
I have like a giant case of it sitting back at home waiting for me.
And as soon as I get off the plane, I'm firing it up.
The Human Trafficking Pipeline00:15:57
Good.
Well, listen, they're not going to betray us like some others have done in the past.
Let me just say that much.
All right.
Hey, Jack.
Jack, I want to talk.
You know, actually, give us the lay of the land.
I mean, you are Polish, part Polish.
You're an American, but you are of Polish descent.
My family's Polish, yeah.
Yeah, your family's Polish.
So I want to, you know, I saw this news story.
I wasn't going to, so sorry to put you on the spot here, but I know you can handle it.
I saw that there's a the prime minister, am I right, of Poland is now calling for the death penalty to be brought back into law in Poland?
Is that right?
Yes.
What's this exact backstory?
So you got to understand that the backstory is that in the EU, the death penalty does not exist.
In fact, there's only one country in all of Europe that still has the death penalty, and that's Belarus, which is in Eastern Europe, not an EU member.
And in fact, Russia doesn't even have the death penalty.
So I know, right?
Russia.
And so for any EU member to even discuss bringing this back, I mean, it would be like, I mean, it would be like us talking about bringing back firing squads or something, which I do know that I think Idaho was actually talking about this recently.
So the backstory here is that unfortunately, there was a horrific case of child abuse in Poland, this total psychopath where, you know, murder in general is very, very low in Poland.
It's one of the lowest countries in all of the OCED, the developed countries list.
And it was an eight-year-old child who was unfortunately brutalized and killed.
And the Prime Minister of Poland came out straight up and said, we should reinstate the death penalty when it comes for child abuse.
And Andrew, I got to say, if there's any crime that deserves it, it's that.
Yeah, well, meanwhile, Jack, we have 85,000 unaccompanied minors scattered throughout the country that DHS has just lost track of.
And AOC and all the left crying liberals can't be bothered to even talk about it because they want to be humane on America's border with these migrant children.
Go ahead.
You know, what's amazing about that is that you have this case where we have these people coming across the border and they say, oh, they're just looking for a better life.
They're just looking for better opportunities for their families.
Yeah, that's an open pipeline for human trafficking, not just labor trafficking, but child sex trafficking, trafficking in women, people that are getting put into modern-day slavery, kids that are bought and sold and abused on all sorts of, you know, whether it be OnlyFans or whatever else on the internet that they're using and different apps, that this is actually supporting human trafficking.
This is actual, the definition of human trafficking is supporting illegal immigration.
And I see this come up in the e-Verify debate.
I see this come up in the general securing the border debate, the Title 42 debate.
And I'm actually kind of sick of it.
I'm sick of conservatives not calling it what it is.
It's not so much that these are people in many of these cases that are, oh, they're escaping something.
And I love that the new bill that's out there, the Secure Border Act that Biggs is pushing, talking about actually questioning these asylum claims, especially for people who aren't applying for asylum on the way, because they're coming to third, fourth, and the United States is like the fifth country they've gotten to since they left their original country.
That's not the way asylum is supposed to work under the UN.
And so what we're doing as the United States, and we need to be very clear about this, by keeping our border the way it is and not implementing a serious e-verify program, which by the way, DeSantis just signed into the state.
I was just about to bring it up.
I was just about to bring it up.
Yeah, I commend him for that.
But the fact of the matter is that in all of the other 49 states, it is, as far as I know, it is still just a voluntary procedure.
So you're going to keep the incentive for those people to come across and they're going to put themselves in situations where they become at risk to trafficking, at risk to sex trafficking.
And that's the side you're on.
And I'm sick of conservatives not going on offense and reminding the left that they do not have the moral high ground on any of these issues.
When you talk about abortion, it's like, or even when they talk about guns, they say, oh, we just want to protect kids.
We just want to protect kids.
Okay, what about kids in the womb?
What about kids in the womb?
You're going to protect that?
Oh, right.
You're the side that's for killing kids.
So, don't try to play the moralizing arguments with me on here because every time it comes to one of those moral gray areas, you guys will choose the gray over the morally clarified point.
And it's exactly the same for illegal immigration, for the border.
We need to call it what it is.
This is industrial human trafficking that the powers that be, and apparently the Biden administration, and you saw my Orcus's insane press conference just now, are totally cool with.
Oh, no, we ripped, we ripped my orcas with Sheriff Lamb big time.
I mean, the guy's a total joke, dereliction of duty.
I mean, what man in Congress, and by the way, this is aired to do.
I know he was exactly, but seriously, who has more blood on their hand in all of, I mean, maybe the maybe what's going on with Ukraine, right?
The military-industrial complex.
I mean, but seriously, it's neck and neck.
It's got to be neck and neck.
We're talking millions and millions of migrants that have been flooding in.
And up and down the line, yes, the sex trafficking, the human trafficking, the drugs that are smuggled in that are killing America's youth with fentanyl overdoses.
Not to mention the tax burden, the cultural transformation that we're witnessing.
I mean, from the time I was growing up in this country to now, it's already remarkably different.
The demographic change, and they'll say, oh, that's racist.
No, it's a fact.
When you eat a big meal, it takes time to ingest it.
Joy Reed can talk about it.
So, whenever I talk about it, I say, I say, well, Joy Reed has reported that.
So, Joy Reed and Rachel Maddow have reported that America's demographics are changing.
Fact.
So, if I can say that they reported it, because it's totally cool when they reported it, then that means I can get away with it because you have to wrap yourself in this like MSNBC burrito to be able to report things that are actually true.
So, you can't claim that I'm the one who's claiming it because Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow are the ones who claimed it, not me.
No, it's an observable fact.
It's an absolute fact.
And by the way, you know, this whole debate about replacement theory or whatever, I could care less.
I honestly could care less.
You know what I was, I would say?
I don't care what color you are.
I don't care any of that stuff.
I want to know: do you know who Thomas Jefferson is?
Do you understand the Constitution?
Do you understand basic civics?
Do you share a love for this country?
Do you share a passion for the history of its people and for the land that we stand on and that we built our civilization on?
Funny enough, we, you know, because people know I'm, you know, my wife is an immigrant, but when she went through the naturalization test, she had to study all that stuff.
She had to, and since we live in the DC area, you know, she was going to the Smithsonian a ton.
Like, she remembers all of it.
And I think it's, it's, she loved, fell in love with America from afar, right?
You know, not far from where I am right now.
And she realized that this was the system and these were the people that made it work.
And that's why it was important to go through the naturalization process out of respect for the country and its laws as are currently confined and the traditions that brought America to where it is.
You know what?
You're hitting on something that just fires me up to no end.
And there is news, by the way.
I just, I'm reading an article here from Daily Wire that says that in a major reversal, this is breaking Biden resurrects Trump border policy ahead of Title 42 repeal.
I'm going to get to that in just a second, but you hit on a word here: respect.
We can argue about the legalities.
We can argue about the human trafficking.
We can argue about the drugs and the cartels and losing.
If you break our laws to come into this country, I don't care.
You have zero respect for the rule of law in this country.
You have zero respect for this country.
And I understand many of them are enduring hardships.
I understand.
But guess what?
There's a line a mile long of people trying to get in legally that have endured hardships.
There's people, millions of them around the world that have endured hardships and want to be here.
But guess what?
Not everybody can.
There's no limiting function on that argument to say we're going to bring in everyone who has hardship around the world.
Well, then what does that mean?
That we're going to invite everyone in the entire world?
There's no moral obligation there.
We have a moral obligation.
The United States government has a moral obligation to the people of these states first.
That's what being American first means.
You know, if someone's hungry and they show up at your house and they look like they're in a bad way, sure, help them out.
But if somebody shows up with a thousand of their friends and demands to eat your food, then no, you don't have an obligation to let them in.
Absolutely not.
They play these moral, they use moral trickery and they'll say, well, I think Jesus said something about feeding the hungry.
It's like, no, that's not what's going on.
You guys don't believe in the Bible anyway.
So why would you even use that argument if you wouldn't apply it to yourselves?
No, it's very clear what's going on is you've got a two-pronged situation where big business wants the cheap labor, and that's what it is.
It is cheap labor that is brought in that depresses the wages of all Americans, by the way, which has a direct effect on America's economic well-being and the well-being of the working class.
And then number two, Democrats want the votes.
So this, which, which, by the way, like, oh, are those people really voting?
Like, are you serious?
Have you seen our election laws in this country?
Of course they're voting.
Come on.
No, and that's what's so frustrating is that every time there's common sense, actual reforms in place, they stonewall those reforms from taking place because they know it ultimately will benefit them electorally.
So they don't want order.
They are the party of chaos.
They are the party.
I have a whole theory, and actually, Charlie tweeted it out.
We were discussing it.
Have you noticed that they use the word humane every time they talk about immigration?
We are for an orderly and humane.
They have to get that word in there.
Why?
Because it's like a tribal identifier.
It's a tribal identifier.
It's a signal to all the other lefties out there that are like, oh, okay, we actually know that whatever the hell else comes after this, it doesn't mean anything.
They're not going to do anything.
It's an open border.
Okay.
And you made a great point.
They want humane treatment of everybody else except for the American citizens.
Are you telling me that what they're doing on the border is humane for the citizens of Brownsville, Texas right now?
People in El Paso?
It's homeless people, encampments of migrants just strewn across the street.
You think that's humane?
15 seconds, Jack.
Look, this is why I'm for you, Verify.
We can talk about it more later, but this is why you need to stop the incentive first to stop the flow.
Yeah, well, that's not going to hold my breath, Jack.
I want to ask a question.
Freedom at CharlieKirk.com, you can ask me and Jack, what do you think?
Do you think this is all intentional?
And what do you think is their real motives for leaving the border open, for this whole song and dance?
What does the left actually really want?
Because to me, and let's bring Jack back in.
Jack, to me, it is pure cynical manipulation of our language, of our emotions.
Obviously, as you said, businesses want lower wages, Democrats want more votes.
But you think about California.
California was a winnable state in the 80s and the 90s.
Get this mass amnesty from Reagan.
Now it's completely unwinnable.
If California was even a purple state in today's America, the entire immigration debate would be different.
Fact.
You see the cycle of this.
There is a cause and effect, and it might be a generation removed.
But you talk about can they vote?
Well, maybe they can't, but their kids certainly will.
What's the motivation here, Jack?
We got one minute till we went to the next one.
I mean, Andrew.
You know, to your point, demographics is destiny, right?
This is something that will fundamentally change the makeup of the electorate.
And it just will.
It just will.
And you can't argue against math.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I'm heartened if I don't mean to depress and bum out our audience, especially our great Real America's Voice audience, but I just want to say, you know, there is hope.
And here's the hope.
And I texted you this too, Jack.
I remember when it was Bill Melusian was quoting Homan, former ICE Director Homan, Tom Homan, and he said he was bringing up a conversation.
He said, you can take this to the bank.
If Donald Trump is elected, you will see the single greatest deportation force in the history of this country.
You can take it to the bank.
And I texted it to you and I said, I said, I said Trump 2024 right there.
All right, Jack.
Is all of this intentional or are we supposed to take this reversal from Joe Biden as proof that it's not?
Let me just explain to the audience and fill you in too.
So the Biden administration has brought back a Trump era immigration rule the day before Title 42 is scheduled to sunset.
And the rule finalized and published in the Federal Register on Wednesday disqualifies migrants from applying for asylum in the U.S. if they neglected to first apply for asylum in other countries they travel to, including Mexico.
So what you basically have, before you go on your journey, you have to apply for asylum.
If they encounter you at the border, you no longer qualify for asylum if you didn't do so.
Is this proof that, hey, maybe we're being too cynical that they're actually trying to do something?
Or am I, is that glass half way half full?
I'm sitting over here in Eastern Europe.
I'm not looking at Daily Wire right now.
I'm like, like, you know, using the remote podcast rig or whatever.
I just explained all that in the last segment, which is the UN standard for applying for asylum.
And I had no idea that they were actually pushing back on that because it's actually insane.
Look, let me tell you something right now.
This is a testament to the power of this audience.
As Steve Bannon always says, this is the power of the Real America's Voice audience, the Charlie Kirk audience, War Room, Human Events Daily, all of the populist nationalists pushing together.
And really the reporting of Bill Malugan, of Michael Yon, of so many people, Sarah Carter, who've been on the border all the time, our own Ben Berquam, who's constantly down there, the Darien Gap, et cetera.
Once you explain how absolutely mental this situation is, the American people are completely not far.
By the way, if you look at opinion polls on this, this is like an 80-20 issue or a 70-30 issue.
80-20 say secure the border.
70 plus percent say pass E-Verify.
That's a nationwide mandated system.
It's not mandated now.
These numbers are crazy.
This, by the way, this is an issue, Andrew, that I've always said this is why the new right became born into existence through 2016 was because Trump in, you know, as early as his very first announcement at the, you know, the golden escalator and all that, remember, he specifically talked about two things, trade and immigration.
And these were two issues that Republicans and Democrats had just completely sort of like left to the sidelines for so many years.
And yet it turns out that guess what?
When it comes down to it, money, jobs, immigration, foreign policy, war, which are all tied around those issues, they actually matter to a ton of Americans.
This is why Trump won Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin in 2016 was because he was able to get those crossover Democrats who understand that you need to get all of this under control if we're going to have a nation or not.
That is what brought over those, you know, I know you were talking about Reagan in California and the amnesty, but also what you used to consider the Reagan Democrats.
Honestly, they're the same type of people that before they were called Reagan Democrats.
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This was the part of what we called the Kennedy coalition.
This is what elected JFK.
This is what would have elected RFK Sr.
And this is also, of course, what obviously RFK Jr.
Is this the coalition that he's targeting right now?
With, of course, the power of his name, the power of his name ID.
Uh, these are your working-class Democrats who are willing to go for the guy that they think is going to fight for them the hardest on that stage.
Well, if it comes down to do you love this country and do you love what's common sense right for us?
I mean, really does Jack.
Thank you for your time.
I know you're calling in from long way away.
We appreciate it as always.
We've got more news coming up from Jack Pesovic, guys.
So, so stay tuned.
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