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May 11, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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How Trump Dominated CNN + An Immigration Pearl Harbor
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Alex Marlowe Fills In 00:03:18
I'm Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, and I'm filling in for Charlie Kirk today.
You can email Charlie, freedom at charliekirk.com.
But in this first hour, you will hear from Charlie himself.
He is my guest on his own show, which is a very meta moment that is super fun.
We begin, unfortunately, with some tough news for the country.
This is a date that could very well live in infamy.
As the end of Title 42 happens tonight, I explain what that is, what it means, and where we go from here as we open up our border even more.
If you thought there was a surge before, well, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Then we get into Trump's dunk-a-thon on CNN last night, which was truly a delight if you get to watch any of it.
And if you've not, we will play clips for you.
And he triggered all the right people with an epic performance during a town hall, and he even caught me by surprise.
And I would like to think I'm an expert in things media.
We get Charlie's take on that, plus Charlie's opinion on what's going on in the media space in general, particularly with regard to Tucker Carlson's move to Twitter.
And as I like to say to all my children, snap into your five-point harness because here we go.
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I'm Alex Marlowe.
I'm the editor-in-chief of Breitbart News.
Very pleased to be filling in for my good friend Charlie Kirk.
Just as a brief background, I've been editor-in-chief of Breitbart News going on 10 years, the first employee of Andrew Breitbart.
And many years ago, when Charlie Kirk was just a high school student, he sent us an idea for a story to report on.
And Joel Pollock, who's then the editor-in-chief and now is one of our senior editors at Breitbart, suggested that Charlie write it up himself.
Charlie said, that sounds like a good idea.
The story went viral before viral was even a thing.
He was all over Fox and elsewhere reporting on it.
And he got the bug.
And that bug led to where we are today with his Turning Point USA, which is terrific.
And they're kind enough to have me speak at their events and this huge show and podcast, et cetera.
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A huge news day today, and I'm very tempted.
And I was debating with the producers a little bit about this.
I'm very tempted to get right into President Trump doing windmill 360 dunks on CNN all night, which was a delight.
Anyone with half a sense of humor probably had the best news day of the year yesterday doing that.
Sanctuary Cities Explained 00:07:51
But it is a huge day in a negative sense because tonight, as we heard in the intro at midnight, it is the end of Title 42.
Title 42 is the thinnest veil of border security that we have in this country.
We have very little, but it begins with Title 42, which actually comes from the CDC's authority.
Now, why is that?
It's a tool to remove migrants and send them back to their nation's country in the name of public health.
Now, this applied during the pandemic, but shouldn't this apply all the time?
Isn't this just about the best possible reason to have a border to keep people out who are perhaps unhealthy, perhaps bringing drugs, perhaps bringing disease?
It in fact is one of the main functions of a border in a sane society.
And it's probably why just about every country on earth has a border.
In fact, we're fighting a border war right now.
It just so happens to be in Ukraine against the Russians.
But our own border, we're going to be letting it wide open more so than it already is.
So what is going to happen?
And this is the thing to watch.
What is going to happen?
What's happening now is already interesting.
10,000 plus people already crossing every day.
It's already a surge.
But what's going to happen next is we're going to see these things called the notices to appear, permisos, notices to appear in court.
This is in other words, catch and release, catch and release.
We catch them and then we release them.
There's my favorite thing that Trump always explains, catch and release.
It's the one thing we all understand.
We get it.
Catch them and release them.
But he loves to explain it.
He loves to explain it.
But that's what's going to happen.
And it's not really a funny thing because once people get released, it could be years potentially until they get some sort of a hearing.
And then if they get a hearing, who's to say they're going to be deported?
And at that time, who's to say they wouldn't have already put down roots, become a part of at least somewhat of the fabric of our economy?
Maybe they've had children there.
Are you allowed to say anchor babies?
Or is that not a thing now?
You may or may not refer to them as that, okay?
But there are people who will get birthright citizenship who will be here.
All of this chaos because we don't have a sane border.
And of course, we don't have a completed border wall, which should be priority number one for the next Republican president.
So there's going to be 400,000 estimated arrivals, according to our reporting at Breitbart News.
And this would eclipse, get this, the residencies of the cities of New Orleans, Tampa, Cleveland, and Honolulu.
None of them have 400,000 residents.
We're going to be getting that every month, if our reporting is accurate at Breitbart.
Reports now are that there's 700,000 illegal aliens amassing at the border right now.
So what is the customs and border protection, what's Alejandro Mayorkas and the Department of Homeland Security doing?
Well, what they're doing is they've apparently created an app.
Yes, you can literally have an app where you can book an appointment to, I guess, get your permisos and then wind up somewhere in the country.
So obviously the wall is not being built, but we are building processing sensors.
So we're having a debt ceiling debate right now, which could potentially lead to a partial shutdown of the government if the Democrats get their way.
And if that happens, then they think they're going to blame Republicans for this.
Do you remember the last time we had one of those?
It was when President Trump was asking for $5 billion for a border wall.
Now, think about how much money has been sent to Ukraine, well over nine-figure sum.
Think about for their border.
Think about how we're going to have to make these processing plans.
We're going to make them available.
We're going to have to add new personnel.
We're going to strain those personnel.
We're going to strain those families.
And all because we would not build a wall.
And think back on that when you're thinking about the absurdity of the debt ceiling debate that we're going to get is that, and the road towards a shutdown when the last shutdown took place.
So this does not need to end.
Title 42 does not need to end.
And the Republicans and even a couple of Democrats seem to want to preserve it.
So instead, what we're going to have, instead of this provision, we're going to see wages depressed.
We're going to see more crime.
We're going to see more drugs.
We're going to see rents go up.
And the lower classes in America, the working classes, are always the ones who are hardest hit.
They're the ones who are families or going to get hooked on the fentanyl that's going to come through via China into Mexico up via the cartels.
We are going to see the ones whose rent is going to go up.
They're the ones whose jobs, their wages are going to get undercut.
So why do we do this to our citizens?
The only explanation is that the Democrats want to import new voters and some in the Republican establishment want to report cheaper wages so that their stock can go up just a little bit.
Those are the only logical reasons or the one that maybe is the most logical of all, but is the most scary is that the people in charge right now simply don't like this country.
They want it to be destroyed.
They want it to be what it means to be an American citizen, something that is a rare and beautiful concept to be undermined at every turn.
So, this is the reality that we're up against.
And Maorkis has been giving press conference, press conference where he's been trying to spin what's going on and trying to act like he has it under control.
Do we have the cut of him speaking to Neil Monroe?
Yes.
This is, I think this is cut 110.
Let's play cut 110, please.
Check this out.
Migrants are actually ordering door dash and food deliveries on the Mexican side to get by until we take custody.
Also, they believe, as the migrants you see here inside this shelter, that the U.S. is obligated to hear their asylum claims when Title 42 drops on Thursday night.
Yeah, so that was the one I was looking for, but that's my bad.
I blame me, not the producers on that one.
But that's still a great clip.
It just shows you how this is a culture that's taking place.
And why is it taking place?
Because in social media, everyone is suggesting now is the time to come.
Now is the time to get here.
We are going to see the people flood into the country, and they're going to be very well fed, apparently, because they're getting the door dashed down there.
So what's gone on is that Majorkis has suggested that the border is not open.
The border is secure.
Of course, we know that's not true.
We saw a record people cross in fiscal year 2022, up 33% over 2021, which was a record then.
We are now at 5x for fiscal year 22, what we saw in President Trump's last year as president, fiscal year 2020, five times.
That's acceptable already to apparently the vast majority of people in Washington because they're good with those numbers.
Now imagine what's going to happen when we take off this last remaining provision.
They keep some sort of semblance of a secure border.
So what's being told now is that Biden is going to try to limit the amount of migrants who can claim asylum.
This is totally bogus because all they are going to do is just get absorbed in the country for years.
And that scenario is going to play out where they're going to try to put down roots here and they're going to create a scenario where they're allowed to stay.
They're going to come up with a rationale so they're allowed to stay.
And who knows if we'll ever get around to processing them, if we even know they're there at all.
We have this thing called sanctuary cities.
We have this thing called sanctuary cities in this country where people are allowed to basically break this law and this one and only law.
There's no other law in the country where there is a sanctuary city.
Is there one?
Any of them?
I don't think there's any.
It's just this.
This is the only law you're allowed to break and you get sanctuary.
So you go there and then you're cool.
And if you think the people in San Francisco and in Chicago and Washington, D.C. and in New York City are going to do a lot to try to get you deported, not going to happen.
It's not going to happen.
So this is all the desire and the design of the people in charge.
Now, just as a reminder, the person who's ostensibly in charge of the border right now is Kamala Harris.
The person who was ostensibly in charge of the border during the Barack Obama administration, guess who it was?
Joe Biden.
Joe Biden.
All on him.
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Jay Johnson, who was high up Homeland Security Secretary under Barack Obama, has noted that migrants are going to be released in the country without a court date and without tracking.
And that's a big problem.
Yeah, no kidding.
It is interesting to see that even Biden's getting picked on by the Obama veterans.
We're seeing migrants arrive in Chicago with colds, pink eye, and believe it or not, COVID-19 still out there, the coronavirus, the Wuhan flu.
So this is one of these things where you think about the border, Title 42, the logic of it.
Of course, it's logical.
Of course, it's logical to have something that prevents people who are diseased from coming into the country.
Not say everyone coming into the country is that way, but that's why you have a system where people at least have to sign the guest book before they come in.
It's such a no-brainer.
And all you need to do is look at the city of El Paso as people pile up in makeshift shanty towns.
Kind of like the stuff you see under freeway overpasses in California these days.
All of it is very upsetting.
A Chinese migrant, according to the feds, has been charged with possession of child porn video of preschool-age girls.
When Trump said they're not sending their best, he wasn't wrong.
Trump said a lot last night on CNN.
It was an unbelievable tour de force from Trump, vintage Trump.
And I will say this: it is not what I'd anticipated.
I was kind of upset Trump was going to go on the fake news network, CNN, and I was wrong.
I was dead wrong.
It was incredible.
And I will tell you what he did: he had fun.
His demeanor made it all work.
It was pure wrestlemania.
It was like it was 2015, the glory days again.
And CNN's circling the drain.
Their ratings are, you know, half a million people are watching, which is literally if you just put on a video of cats playing with balls of yarn during that slot, it would do more than half a million.
I mean, that's way more interesting than whatever they're doing.
But he handled it perfectly.
He made a mockery of the host, Caitlin Collins, who was obviously an overhead on this, but she's about to become a millionaire, I'm told.
I'm about to, she's going to get that Don Lamone slot, which is it's highly coveted.
Everyone in media wants that Don Lamone slot.
So she's going to make a lot of money off of this, I guess.
But CNN just offered her up for the slaughter in exchange for ratings.
But this is going to be a fearic victory because CNN will win the night or whatever, but their brand is even somehow worse than it was going into last night.
And the trick was the dichotomy of the way Trump behaved versus the way the moderator Caitlin Collins behaved.
She had no joy.
She has no fun.
She acts so serious, but she doesn't have the content to be that serious.
And Trump, who had all the content, was having a great time.
And it was such a pleasure to watch the fallout afterwards, all the meltdowns.
We'll play lots of clips for you throughout the show, but I can't resist playing at least a couple right here at the outset.
Here was one of the funniest moments I've ever seen, I think, of any public forum in my life.
Cut 107, please.
This woman, I don't know her.
I never met her.
I have no idea who she is.
I had a picture taken years ago with her and her husband, nice guy, John Johnson.
He was a newscaster, very nice man.
She called him an ape.
Happens to be African-American.
Called him an ape.
The judge wouldn't allow us to put that in.
Her dog or her cat was named Vagina.
The judge wouldn't allow it to put that in.
And he went on from there.
He kept saying things that were his talking points, the things that he wanted to convey to the public, but he did it in such a humorous way that the audience was cracking up while they were actually getting informed.
And you saw all of the people hand-wringing afterwards that Trump was doing the election was rigged, the election was stolen stuff.
Everyone knows Trump thinks that way.
Anyone who is triggered by Trump saying the 2020 election was stolen is just a, I don't want to spend any time with you.
Let's put it that way, because you have no fun.
We knew that Trump would take this approach if he was on his A game and he was on his A game.
He just made a smoldering heap of CNN.
But the thing that was most delicious about all this is to watch what remaining people who may have tuned into CNN, may have been a part of CNN, to see all of them completely melt down, to see all of them say, Jake Tapper, I'll play this clip later.
He called it chilling.
They were so angry that Trump was given this forum, even though he's the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for 2020, for 2024.
He won in 2016.
CNN Meltdown and Ratings 00:15:28
He was president.
It's not the end of the world to hear the man speak.
And he's clearly an entertainer at the top of his powers, which is very refreshing.
And I couldn't have enjoyed it anymore.
Watching boycott CNN trend on Twitter was also another one that was so fun.
It was so fun.
And it was one where the CDN, if there's any audience left for CNN, then they might actually abandon the network because of that.
So a 360 victory for Trump and one I did not see coming.
I got to admit.
And I wrote a whole book on the news, Breaking the News, New York Times bestseller.
But Trump really, really showed us who's boss yesterday.
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Now, we're about to see something very rare and special.
The guest on the Charlie Kirk show right now is Charlie Kirk.
Charlie, good morning.
Alex, great to be here.
Thanks so much.
Perfect.
Perfect.
You know, we're working through some of the kinks of being in the new studio format.
It is incredible here.
You've done an amazing thing, and you deserve it.
You're one of the hardest workers in all of media and activism.
And it is a historic day, Charlie.
I know that's why you wanted to be on your show, even though you're on vacation.
And I think the audience really, really appreciates it.
I'm very tempted to go in to see if you were able to pull away to watch Trump dominate CNN yesterday.
But I got to start.
Oh, I had to.
So it's kind of funny, Alex.
You know, my idea of a vacation is a little different than most.
I was finishing off my eye surgery, which praise God went really well.
So now I could see everything in great detail.
And you've been doing amazing.
Producer Andrew did fabulous filling in, and the team has just been doing awesome.
So great, great gratitude.
And it's been a week I needed just to kind of recharge and get some medical stuff done.
But yes, how could I not watch the Trump Council?
I have several thoughts about it.
You know, candidly, privately, between our team's messages, I didn't think this was first a good idea.
I was like, man, why are we even talking to these people?
Like, why are you going on CNN?
And, you know, Blake and Andrew and the team, they kind of pushed back, like, no, this is exactly what makes Trump Trump.
And they're totally right, by the way.
And I mean, I went from a skeptic to a believer last night.
When, first of all, there's a couple takeaways.
Just if you watch the whole thing on mute, it's very clear that Trump knows exactly the body posture, the physical presence.
I mean, he just looks like a beast, right?
He just dominates the whole thing, right?
And it's just the way he, the way he talks, he looks like somebody who's in control, in charge.
And I thought he did 10 out of 10 that way.
Secondly, I just thought he looked good.
Like, he looked like he had energy.
He was calm.
He looked cool and collected.
He didn't get too fired up.
And, you know, I saw one of these tweets from one of the DeSantis super PACs, and I thought it was so weak.
They said, all Trump wanted to talk about was January 6th.
I was like, what are you talking about?
That's all he was asked the questions of.
This is not an he was responding.
And you knew how that was going to be on CNN.
The other thought I had, I mean, I have several other thoughts, but it goes to show that he wants to get back to 2016 energy.
And I think that's very important, right?
The reason Trump was so successful in 2016 is he went on Don LeMond.
He went on any show that would have him and just have this, you know, Socratic debate in the weeds, whatever you want to talk about.
And he kind of won over so many people of like, this guy has courage.
This guy has, you know, clarity of thought.
He has the stones to go actually fight for us.
And look, we could nitpick, you know, some of his stuff.
Could he have pivoted quicker?
Could he have gone away?
But I mean, Caitlin Collins did not let him go.
I mean, it's let's go find the most.
This is CNN's playbook, right?
Which is, let's find an issue where the country probably is center right, like abortion, and let's try to frame you.
Are you going to sign a national federal abortion ban?
Okay, Caitlin Collins, they can't get 51 votes to say that we shouldn't have taxpayer funding of abortion.
You think that's even realistic?
Of course not, right?
But she does that to try to make Republicans seem extreme.
She obviously interrupted him a ton, and I thought she was really out of her league.
You know, there was you had a media mastermind with kind of a JV person.
But here, here's the other takeaway.
I don't know what CNN's motives were here.
Some people are saying that they cut the town hall short.
Some people are saying, you know, they did this, you know, to kind of pull the plug.
But I think what CNN was trying to do is just a ratings pursuit.
That's right.
As Fox is obviously collapsing right now, Tucker is going to Twitter.
And I do want to talk about that.
This has been quite a week to take off, Alex.
There's been a lot happening.
But the main takeaway is this.
I called for this on the program.
I'll call for it again.
I think the primary is over.
Trump needs to be the nominee sooner rather than later.
No other candidate could do what he did last night.
And it also does have this contrast of, could you imagine Joe Biden doing 90 minutes or 70 minutes with Tucker Carlson?
Sure.
Or how about not even Tucker?
Just how about Jeff Warner?
Yeah, how about whoever's the most junior person of Jeffy Water?
No way.
Not even close.
Yeah, go ahead, Charlie.
Sure.
Yeah, sure.
Or Bill Melusian, right?
Like, let's do it.
Like, Bill Melusian's kind of a contemporary or counterpart, you know, same generation of Caitlin Collins, right?
Young asks good questions or Peter Doocy, right?
Like, let's, one of those two, could Joe Biden do 70 minutes?
No way.
And so I don't know how many people that, you know, wins over, but at least from a primary standpoint, I think it goes to show what the Republican base is demanding right now, which is we want someone who goes in blazing to go fight for the American people and is willing to even go into the most hostile environments and stand up against really difficult opposition questioning.
You know, one thing that was interesting was the reaction to Trump online from the Republicans who don't want Trump to win.
The DeSantis people made a really stupid move where they were criticizing Trump, where it was clearly a dunk-a-thon.
It was a home run derby for Trump.
It wasn't even a contest.
It was a total domination.
If the DeSantis people were savvy, wouldn't they have just said, hey, that was really awesome.
And I can't believe CNN let them put themselves up to this.
And what an embarrassment.
And kind of were at least begrudgingly congratulatory of Trump for winning the night.
Because Charlie, I said the same thing as you.
And I was going back and forth to producers last night about this topic about how I thought it was kind of low upside for Trump and he was going to give CNN a big boost.
And if you're going to stick it to Fox, stick it to Fox a different way.
And Trump made fools out of anyone who had that opinion because he was so fun and he was so light, but also substantive.
It was exactly what you want in this type of a forum.
It makes politics interesting again.
It makes current affairs interesting again.
And anyone who had a different take is clearly delusional.
No, objectively, even if you have your own concerns about Trump, it highlighted how bad Biden is.
It also shows that, okay, this guy is going to, he's playing to win, right?
This is not some sort of, I'm going to run the ball and just run out the clock.
Like, no, he's playing to win, right?
He's not going to play pre-vent defense.
He wants to win.
He wants to win the primary, wants to win the presidency.
And I thought there was also this other really interesting part where, you know, a critique is usually, oh, Trump can't stop talking about the 2020 election.
Again, they brought up the topic, okay?
I thought Trump could have done better, quite honestly, talking about the legitimate issues of the 2020 election, especially Molly Hemingway's book, the now new information about the fake letter signed by the former Intel Chiefs.
I thought that was a missed opportunity by Trump, where he could have said, Caitlin, didn't you just see that Tony Blinken orchestrated 50 Intel Chiefs with this email from John Brennan saying, I think this is a worthy cause, and they knew it was fraudulent?
How is that not rigged?
It was then used for social media censorship.
So I thought that was a missed opportunity by Trump.
However, I thought it was really interesting at one part of the town hall where Trump said, look, we're getting so close to 2024.
Let's just win it again.
It's like, ah, that's a new little wrinkle.
I haven't heard him say that before, right?
Where he's basically saying, like, look, it was bad to happen in 20.
Let's get motivated and let's go win in 2024.
And so overall, I think what we're seeing this week with Tucker going to Twitter, with Trump going to CNN, we are seeing monumental changes in the American media landscape, like serious, monumental changes that I think are largely positive, which is organizations and pundits are now going to new platforms, changing their behavior going into 24.
And for CNN, I just think it's a ratings thing.
I don't think it's anything more than that.
Some people are saying, oh, were they trying to help Trump?
No, they weren't.
I mean, they thought that Caitlin Collins would do a better job, I think.
I think she was completely steamrolled, but it was just a ratings pursuit.
And they probably just cut it off early because it was going too well or too much.
Like, you know, the cricket said a Trump rally.
But it's definitely been a significant week for the realignment of media.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's been a huge week for independent media.
That's so exciting about it.
But it's interesting that one of my negatives, I think, on the night was the balance of what issues were discussed, the Eugene Carroll stuff, which is just so off the wall.
Of course, if it wasn't Trump, no one would ever care about this thing from so long ago.
And there was very minimal immigration talk.
There was no Hunter Biden, no Biden crime family talk.
And that stuff does irritate me.
But overall, CNN had a game plan to get under Trump's skin and use it to play defense for the regime, for the globalist establishment.
This was the theme of my book, Breaking the News, about how CNN is not trying to make money.
They don't even really care about ratings.
They are the palace guards for the globalist.
They operate like a super PAC.
Exactly.
They're a super PAC and they're part of Warner Brothers Discovery.
They're a huge conglomerate that brings in $30 billion a year.
No one cares how CNN does.
They only care about does CNN make it easier for Warner Brothers Discovery to do business?
And they did not do that last night.
They failed because they made Trump more powerful.
Yeah, I mean, and Caitlin Collins, Caitlin Collins just reminded me very similarly to this, you know, overly confident, over-educated 20-year-old from Wellesley or from Stanford that I go to these campuses.
And she thinks she's got it all figured out because, well, I read the Presidential Records Act too, Mr. President.
Like, okay, just calm down, Caitlin, right?
We know that you quote unquote done your homework, even though you really haven't, right?
And it was just overly eager.
And it's just so pompous, right?
So arrogant.
And I thought it was disrespectful to the office of the presidency.
Just the way that she was just trying to insert herself as just like real-time fact-checking.
By the way, your fact-checking wasn't even right.
Donald Trump did authorize the National Guard.
Donald Trump did try to get troops to go there on January 6th.
And by the way, she's like, she said something was extraordinary.
She said, actually, by definition, she is.
She 100% is.
And so, you know, that kind of archetype that Caitlin Collins represents, I've seen many, many times.
And the American left is filled with them, right?
Which is, you know, I, career over everything else, I am, you know, incredibly pompous.
I'm very smug, extraordinarily arrogant.
And, you know, there was certainly an ideological agenda there.
And then you contrast that with kind of how Tucker has operated, where he says, you know, we're the sworn enemy of pomposity and groupthink.
And I just want to add one thing to the Tucker thing, and we could talk more after the break here because, boy, I was chomping at the bit to comment on the Tucker thing.
We are seeing a, you know, with Tucker going to Twitter, kind of this boring way of doing corporate news, which Tucker was obviously the exception to that.
It's changing in real time.
The same way that we saw transportation change with the advent of the assembly line, thanks to Henry Ford, we're going to see the change of American media.
The same way that we saw everything change with communication with smartphones, you're living through it.
In 2023, 24, 25, this short period of time, the way we do news is about to completely be disrupted.
the old expensive way of cable distribution.
Tucker could be responsible for this.
You look at the video count, you look at the view count, you see it.
Charlie, I want to get your take on Tucker before we turn to immigration.
But I do want your take on the media landscape.
And it is a bad time, I think, for corporate media accountability, despite the great efforts by Breitbart and by me and by you and others.
But it is a great time for independent media also.
Yes, it is.
Yeah, and this is going to be...
This is going to be the big challenge.
And this would be both my public and private advice to Tucker, which is don't just upload to Twitter.
Pick a, you know, kind of a basket of dissident speech platforms like Rumble and upload to those, right?
I think that Rumble is one of the great potential opportunities to challenge YouTube, right?
We need to create a whole ecosystem of options.
And that's why I love what Public Square is doing.
I love what Rumble is doing.
I love the direction Twitter is going.
I was really encouraged, though, that Tucker basically, I want everyone to understand the significance of this.
Here is the blue chip blue chip, right?
The top of all conservative media is Tucker.
There's no one bigger, right?
With the passing of Rush, he's number one, right?
You could debate who number two, three, four, five is, but Tucker is number one.
And what does he do?
He says that, yeah, I'm going to post my content on a social media site.
Alex, could you imagine 10 years ago somebody saying that?
Not terrestrial radio, not even podcasting.
That shows that the game is changing in real time.
And how is it received?
Overwhelmingly positive.
It shows that viewing habits have changed.
It also, here's what I think is one of the most exciting things.
You know this, Alex.
The cost of production has gone down.
You need a microphone and a light and a pen and paper and you can all of a sudden be somebody.
That's really good.
All of a sudden, the barrier to entry for content creators and entrepreneurs in the creative space has basically gone away.
So what Tucker is going to do, hopefully, in the best case scenario, is Tucker is going to be the leader in the changing of information consumption, right?
Away from these just kind of boring networks, away from the same sort of conversations back and forth that mean nothing.
And I mean, you look at the metrics of Tucker's tweet, 25.4 million views of his latest video, 121 million people that saw it.
I mean, that's unbelievable, right?
I mean, these are Super Bowl-type metrics that Tucker is getting.
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That's way more than what he was getting even on Fox.
It's way more that he could get on any network.
And I mean, this is how we've been distributing, obviously, through RAV.
We've been doing it through Rumble.
We've been doing it through everything.
I want to see this trend continue because, Alex, if enough of us that have something to say that challenge the pre-existing orthodoxies are on these networks, on these platforms, it's harder to censor us.
It's harder to shut us up.
It's easier to shut us up if we all go to the same one or two cable news channels.
That's correct.
And I do hope it works out.
I'm nervous about the existential issue that Musk has to deal with over Twitter, which is trying to make it the free speech platform and a platform that's appealing to advertisers.
And I know Tucker is in it for the right reasons.
I don't know Tucker particularly well, but I've gotten to know him a fair bit.
He's very open to communicate with people in media.
He's great about promoting our stuff at Breitbart, which we've always appreciated.
But I will tell you, I am very confident that he is in it to change the conversation and to change the narrative first and to make money second.
That's a relatively rare thing, Charlie.
A lot of people in this space want to change the world.
They want to save the country, but they really care about their bottom line first.
And it's such a special thing when you've got the number one guy is genuinely committed to moving the narrative along.
And that's something you just don't bet against.
You know, that's exactly right.
And he's not just driven by money at all.
He actually wants the country to be a better place.
And he plays a critical role in that.
And so if he can now trigger a migration away from these corporate networks to a place where all of a sudden you're able to challenge and examine and expose the deceit and the fraud that's happening both internationally and nationally, that's really important, right?
And it's critical to the fight for a free society and for the ideas that we deeply care about.
And so, you know, that's one of the most significant developments this week.
We even touched on Title 42.
I mean, obviously the Trump case and all that.
But one of the big takeaways this week is with Tucker going to Twitter and saying he's going to post on Twitter that is the blue chip blue chip.
The number one voice in the whole conservative movement media-wise is blazing a new trail.
He's setting a new trend that the Joe Rogan model of distribution is the future and the old kind of cable box way of doing things is being retired and sunset.
Yeah, I certainly hope it works.
Charlie Kirk, the host of the Charlie Kirk show, is my guest.
Thank you.
I got to run, but I will definitely be back Monday.
You're doing a great job, Alex.
So, and everyone, thank you for bearing with it and definitely be back Monday.
God bless you, Alex.
Thanks.
Appreciate you.
And that guy is an admirable man, works so hard, such great ideas, and has a great platform.
He let me fill in.
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