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April 18, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Primary or Political Purgatory? with Jack Posobiec and Richard Baris
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Canceling The Republican Primary 00:10:19
Hey everybody, Jack Pesobic and I dialogue about should we cancel the Republican primary.
We talk about guns and also a group of black teens rain terror on the streets in Chicago.
Richard Barris joins us to talk about the Republican primary and more.
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With us is the great Jack Pesobic, Human Events Daily.
We're going to have some good announcements on that program soon, as well as some other fun stuff we're doing together.
Jack, welcome back to the program.
What's going on, Charlie?
So I heard that the primary is over.
Is that true?
It's been completely canceled.
There's no primary going to be happening at all.
I'm very pro-cancel culture when it comes to the primary.
Pro-cancel culture.
Well, I don't know yet.
I mean, I see arguments on both sides, but my main point, my obsession, Jack, is the American Democrat Party, the regime, relentlessly spends money on early on the three-state infrastructure, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin.
And we on the right are not doing that.
We're in a limited resources battle, whether it be ballot chasing, election integrity, law fair, all these things that need to happen in those three states.
And the more we indulge in the horse race, the less I'm afraid we're going to do those three states.
And I think Donald Trump's going to be the nominee, whether he has to go through the long, drawn-out process or not.
What is your reaction to that?
Well, I think you've got a good point, right?
And I can appreciate that you're coming to it from the perspective of logistics.
And what do they always say?
They say, amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics.
There is a certain pool of money, right?
And I'll steal man your argument, right?
There's a certain pool of money that conservatives, Republicans, libertarian types, people who might be more amenable to a center-right coalition or just maybe even just anti-left, right?
That will be spent between now and November 2024.
So, what you're talking about is what is the best way to deploy that pool of money and having a costly primary only eventually does help the left.
I do agree with that.
I certainly agree with that from a logistics standpoint.
That being said, I do also think that uncontested primaries are not good in the long run because I think that by having a contested primary, I mean, that's how we hash these things out.
That's how we have these arguments.
I mean, look, we're talking about entitlements again.
We're talking about the anti-war movement.
We're talking about immigration.
Should we have more immigration?
Should we have less immigration?
What are we doing about illegal immigration?
These debates don't come out unless you have some prize on the table.
And that prize, obviously, being the nomination for the presidency of the United States.
And I think that by having a contested primary, you know, to your point, you don't want to spend all of your money on that.
You don't want to put all your chips in.
But I worry that by not having the process that it robs us of the ability to have those debates.
I think it's smart.
I look forward to the debates.
I mean, I look forward to the obliteration of the uniparty and us being able to show them how the Republican Party has changed and showing that contrast.
I thought they got the message in 2016, but apparently they need a reminder, so they will receive one.
And they will.
And so all our good points.
I just ask myself the question every day.
And my audience is going to be able to repeat this as an incantation, right?
It will be right up there.
You know, it'll be like Lord's Prayer, Pledge of Allegiance, and then Charlie Kirk's rant on 2024, which is, what are we doing today to win Fulton County, Cobb County, Maricopa County, lose Pima by Less, run up the score in Yava, Pie and Mojave, win Kenosha, Waukesha, and Eauclair?
If we're not doing something material today to do those three things, then we're going to lose in 2024.
No, I wasn't at the president's or President Trump's, I should say, speech at the RNC summit, but we do have the leaked bit to Politico.
I have a few texts out.
I haven't gotten a full transcript of it yet, but I should be getting the full, at least prepared remarks.
But Politico did report that he specifically gave a full-throated pitch for ballot harvesting, A.B. Chase, mail-in vote operations in every single state that it's legal.
And I think that's absolutely the way to get there.
But to your point, Charlie, those are not cheap.
They don't come for free.
Well, and obviously the RNC is completely incapable to do that.
And it's just by definition, an organization headquartered in Washington, D.C. that spends $700,000 on flowers and 17%.
Well, this is what the DNC.
And donor mementos.
Go ahead.
Well, I was going to say, this is what they did on the left in essentially sort of during 2016 and then predominantly after was that they basically decided to start bypassing the DNC.
So if you look on the left, they downsized it.
There's one tenth of the money.
There's five or six billionaires that control everything.
And they're not dumping money into the DNC in their projects.
Yeah, so just sorry to interrupt, but DNC is a thing.
Go ahead.
DNC is 40 million a cycle.
RNC is 440 million.
Right.
And so it doesn't mean they're not spending money.
My point is they decided that the structure doesn't work for them anymore.
So it's there as a figurehead, sure.
And they, you know, they put the logo up with the debates and at the at the convention with dravic in Chicago, which is just absolutely hilarious.
You're living a fake reality.
And they have these outside groups and super PACs and dark money groups, the very same thing that they used to rail against.
This was like Elizabeth Warren's whole career was based on attacking these things.
But actually, no, that's what the National Democrats have realized is that they want to be pouring money all over.
It's like when you look up the Soros prosecutors and you're trying to find, okay, who did George Soros give money to?
And it's actually very complicated how the money goes through because there's this group and then they have a 527 that they move the money to and there's a statewide group and wait.
And the name's like one word off from the other name.
So you're not sure if it's the right group until you pull the 990.
It's this massive shell game that they've created.
But what it allows them to do is have total control over the direct spending rather than going through the party process, which of course, then you deal with committee men, you deal with delegates on the Democrat side.
They have super delegates.
They've got a whole different structure than the RNC.
And so basically, I think they actually got this, to be honest.
This is the model Obama used in 2008 because he found the exact same thing.
And of course, the media at the time was, oh, this is so smart.
He's building a parallel structure.
He's remembering the Blackberry.
Well, let me tell you why.
So there's an interesting backstory there, Jack.
So, and it's talked about in the book, Audacity to Win by David Plough.
So post-Nixon, there was a campaign finance reform that was put in that presidential campaigns will be publicly financed.
So the Reagan campaign in 80, the Bush campaign in 88 were all paid for by taxpayers.
Now there was an option.
There was always an option for the candidate to deny the taxpayer money.
And it was significant.
It was like $350, $400 million.
But you know, no candidate until Barack Obama in 08, from Nixon to Obama, decided to decline the public financing.
And so what Obama did is Obama said, nope, I'm not going to take the money.
McCain did.
McCain took the public money.
And essentially what Obama did, because of how much small dollar donors he had and the rise of internet fundraising and the increase of digital capability to micro-target, he opened the new era of mass spending on campaigns.
Barack Obama himself, the man that was railing against money in politics, he said, no public financing of elections.
I don't want anymore.
This is just presidential, right?
And it changed the game and it got the Democrats to think, wow, we can build all this infrastructure.
We could do all these different things.
And then they started organizing for America.
We could start all these different organizations.
And we're now all living in the world that Barack Hussein Obama created by rejecting public financing of elections in 2008.
Your reaction.
One minute, Romania.
Well, so what he's done there is create a situation where it's completely outside what we would consider the normal bounds of politics.
And keep in mind, in that very same campaign, he had to pay the largest fee ever, the largest fine ever from the FEC, over a million dollars, because they weren't even tracking this.
But again, the Democrats learned, and I'll give them credit for this, they learned that if you can win on tactics, you don't need to win on strategy.
That if you can just beat everyone on the tactics and the logistics of how elections are run, how ballots are collected, then your strategy doesn't even matter that much.
Your candidate doesn't even matter that much.
I could say that as a son of Pennsylvania, where I'm now represented by a brain-dead, lumbering lurch as a senator.
If they can elect two brain dead people, elect, I put in quotes, right?
Implement.
I like that word better.
If they can implement, right?
John Fetterman and Joe Biden, it makes you wonder what else they're able to do.
And so, yes, the candidate matters.
Donald Trump will be the nominee.
I'm confident of that.
It's going to take some work.
Tactics Over Candidate Matters 00:02:33
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Jackie, I know you want to talk about firearms and the Second Amendment.
What are your thoughts on the Democrats' goal to gun grab?
Your thoughts, Charlie, I think the Second Amendment is good.
I'd like to keep it.
I think we should probably fight for that.
How do you respond?
I'm a big Second Amendment fan.
In fact, we found a textbook at Turning Point Academy.
That's interesting.
Turning Point Academy found a textbook that shows that they rewrote the Second Amendment in Texas school books.
Did you know this?
In the Texas school.
They rewrote.
You mean like an amendment was passed and we've changed the Constitution?
No, no, no.
The way they teach it to kids now is not as it is in the Second Amendment, which is in my beautiful, handy Turning Point USA Constitution, which has the explicit words: a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of free state, the right of people to keep bare in arms shall not be infringed.
It says, because it modernizes the amendments.
This is very similar to Houses.
This is very similar to how people read these ridiculous new Bible versions.
You know, what is that one called?
The Vineyard or something?
The new one?
Rewriting The Second Amendment 00:05:05
It's just such a joke.
I actually, wait, off, off, off, behind the scenes, I actually asked Charlie the other day about the Amplified Bible, and you were like, no, no Amplified Bible.
I'm a King James Version ESV guy.
I could go into that at a different time.
But anyway, it's...
Oh, we could definitely go into that.
I mean, so there's, I'm sure you're not a King James version fan, but that's a separate issue.
I wonder why.
So, but they rewrote it to, they rewrote it to people can own guns if they're in a state militia.
That is the one that they have in a Texas Texas textbook.
No, and that's wait, hold on a second.
But, Charlie, you did, you didn't say that was like California or New Jersey.
That's Texas.
Good.
How is that going through in Texas?
And this is something that Abbott is as a person is agreed to.
No, I mean, I'm sure Abbott will get on it.
I mean, again, Abbott is good if you really pressure him.
I'll give him credit.
If you put enough pressure on Abbott, he'll do something.
The border thing, he's been awful at.
But because on this pardon thing, he's done the right thing.
On the Daniel Perry thing, I got to give him credit.
Wait, no, I was in Austin over the weekend and Charlie, you should see every so we went to the actual street corner where it happened and then every you know the Austin Chronicle and all these liberal headlines out there across every newspaper.
It's I should find the picture.
The big cover is 12 jurors found Daniel Perry guilty, but Governor Greg Abbott thinks he knows better than them and he can overturn it.
Well, the problem for them, of course, is it turns out that the governor actually does have the power.
It's called a pardon, and the governor has the power.
No, it's a little different, of course, in the Texas level than it is at the federal level.
But even still, that's priced in when you elect someone governor.
That's how that works.
So maybe you guys should have tried a little better to get Beto elected if you thought that's what you wanted to happen.
But it turns out, no, he's the governor, so he's going to be able to do that.
I want to play a piece of tape here.
I don't know if you saw this or not, Jack, but it's a group of black teens in Chicago that started to maul a white woman.
If there's any other context to this video, I would love to hear it.
I've had our team research it.
I've had our team look for it.
But it seems to be a hate crime against a white woman.
And the social media posts of the black teens, they're bragging about how they're getting active and how they're going on the street.
That's not the worst part of the story.
The worst part of the story is Brandon Johnson, the Marxist, and how he reacted.
Play cut 25 of a group of black youth, the black teens that attack a white woman for what seems to be for sport.
Play cut 25.
So what happened over the weekend is hundreds of black teenagers decided to take to the streets.
They're calling it teen takeover.
They failed to mention it's a black teen takeover, terrorizing Chicago as hundreds of black teens destroy property and attack tourists.
The mayor, the new soon-to-be mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, says we can't attack teens.
These are kids being kids.
I'm paraphrasing.
I can get his exact quote.
It's nauseating.
Jack, one minute, your reaction.
Well, Charlie, I mean, I know you're from the area up there, but and I think of this the same way I think of Philadelphia.
It's, you know what, you voted for this.
You voted for a mayor who was like this in Philadelphia.
They voted for a DA who's like this, and they decided to keep voting him in.
So, you know what?
Fine.
Just let your great city collapse.
Let it fall into Lake Michigan.
Let everything, every single one of these things happen.
And if you're in there within the sound of our voice, just get out.
Just get out as fast as you can.
Jack, I have to interrupt.
We're low on time.
This happened at 129 Wabash Street.
When I saw that, my mouth opened.
I said, that is a good address.
Like that, that is right there off of Michigan Avenue.
That is right near Millennium Park.
That's how you know it's targeted.
Oh, yeah.
No, these are hordes of black youth that are targeting.
That's how you know it's targeted.
And this is a blue chip property.
I mean, that is some of the most valuable real once-valuable real estate in Chicago.
And so then I can't even put it into words.
I mean, that is as good as it gets.
It's right near the river.
It's right in the Wrigley building.
It's not, it was once as good as it gets.
And the mayor of Chicago says, it's not constructive to the demonized youth who've otherwise been starved of opportunities in their own communities.
Jack, God bless you.
Thanks so much.
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Joining us now is Richard Barris from People's Pundit and Big Data Polls.
Rich, welcome to the program.
I asked the question in the first hour, should we even have a primary?
Let's just ask a question based on your polling analysis and your expertise.
Is there any way that Trump could lose the primary conceivably at this point?
At this point, Charlie, no.
The answer is no.
We've polled it now five times.
We're polling it again.
And the reason why I say that is even before the indictment, Charlie, and thanks, by the way, for having me back on.
Of course.
Before the indictment, what we saw, even when his lead weakened somewhat, you know, Ron DeSantis at about 30%, him falling as low as 43 in our polling.
What we saw was the Republican primary is not going to be dominated by educated white voters.
All right.
It will be at least 40 to 60% working class in these states.
And Trump's 30-point hold with these voters at least has to be broken for them to mathematically challenge him.
Even when they were beating him down to the low 40s, he still was at a point where it would be very difficult to amass a plurality or even in a head-to-head, a bare majority against him.
What we've seen since, and it's more than the indictment.
It really is.
It's Ron DeSantis blowing how the indictment was handled.
It's Ron DeSantis flip-flopping on Ukraine.
See, it's so much more than what people are talking about in the media.
Voters were giving him a look and then they just didn't like what they're seeing.
So now he's falling again.
And I don't know.
People keep telling me, wait till he announces.
Charlie, announcements result in temporary bumps, and then the candidate is fully vetted.
They either rise to the occasion or they fall.
Everything we've seen from Team DeSantis at this point suggests the latter, not the former.
So the more words better.
So the worst it will be.
Let's say that you were on Team DeSantis and you were a DeSantis consultant.
What advice would you give to him?
Should he run?
Should he not run?
And if you say yes, run, what would you do to try to get some path towards via ability?
The risk to him losing and hurting himself, like a Ted Cruz situation, like a Scott Walker situation, you have now taken yourself out as a national consideration or national office being considered for national office as far as the presidency.
It is so great that under no circumstances would I tell Ron DeSantis to run for president.
This is something that has to be said.
There are a lot of people around Ron DeSantis and supporting him and pushing him that have basically been expelled or unwelcome in Trump world.
And they are the ones who really have nothing to lose.
The governor has everything to lose.
So if you really like Ron DeSantis and you really see a bright future for him, then if you're looking out for his best interests, your only advice could be save it.
Save it until 2028.
Trump is an older man now.
He's not going to run.
You know, he's saying you can't anyway, but he's going to have four years if he wins.
And that's going to be it.
Set yourself up to be the heir apparent.
We are the only pollster in the country trying to pull this, what we're calling Trump or bust vote.
It has been very clear.
You go not just back to 2016, but back to 2008.
There is a vote that Donald Trump gets out that no other Republican can get out.
And we're trying to measure how big that is.
And if you, you know, for lack of a better word, piss these people off, how bad could it hurt you?
Right.
Because all we ever focus about are the Trump or the non-Trump Republicans.
That group is dwarfed by the Trump or bust vote.
And if I was advising Ron DeSantis, I would tell him, earn their trust.
So buy your time.
Here's a good opportunity, Rich, for you to kind of be a whisperer, right, of the Trump base.
I got a phone call from a very, wealthy person who supports Ron DeSantis, does not like Trump, and he was calling me in really good faith.
He likes the work I'm doing.
We just see things differently.
And he said, hey, he was asking me, Charlie, I don't get it.
Why is Trump gaining popularity?
What has he done in the last couple of weeks?
He said, I'm missing something.
He's like, I'm obviously not in touch.
He was really cool about it, right?
So, Rich, here's your opportunity.
Help the person who doesn't understand, understand why has Trump gotten more popular last month and a half.
Why has this race dramatically changed in the last 60 days?
Let's take it with two simple age groups to explain why.
And we've talked on your show a lot about how MAGA is younger.
It's more diverse.
DeSantis was never going to cut into that non-white, younger, white Republican MAGA vote.
That's never going to happen.
His only hope was to be able to break into the 45 and above traditionalists, like the person who called you.
We talk to these people all the time.
What is happening is some of the older vote that was giving Ron DeSantis a look, there's really two things.
One is they didn't believe that something like this would happen in the United States of America.
And that now that it has, they've been pilled a little bit, red-pilled.
And they're like, look, it's either I'm going back to Trump.
Because of this, it's to me, it's, you know, we have to all live and die by Trump.
That's the way they view it.
And then the second part of it is, and I think this, again, is what I was trying to allude to before.
It's not indictment related.
It's that they had the real thing.
And as DeSantis had a chance to prove himself, he was tested.
He didn't pass those tests.
And I'm not talking about the supporters who are, you know, spend their entire day on Twitter attacking people who don't agree with them.
I'm talking about regular average voters and, you know, four out of four Republican primary voters, Charlie.
They wanted, they want Trump set a standard and they are going to make candidates live by that standard.
When you are one day calling Vladimir Putin a war criminal, and then, you know, we have that war, we have to stop them.
We have to fight them over there before we fight them over here or in Western Europe.
You sound like Nikki Haley one day.
And then the next day, you give a very different statement to Tucker.
It's major.
We hear this from voters all the time.
Who is this guy?
And then they get, you know, what you and I, they start to, it starts to trickle down.
Who's surrounding him?
Who's supporting him?
Who's giving him donations?
That last Sunday was really bad for him.
People started to realize, Ken Griffin, really, you know, the Ricketts, really?
I mean, it doesn't work for these voters.
And, you know, you can attack and mock all you want.
But the people who support DeSantis and the people who hate Donald Trump have to understand something.
You had six years to win over these people who voted for Barack Obama twice and then voted for Donald Trump.
You had six years to win over the people who voted for Barack Obama twice, then voted for Trump, maybe even went to Biden, but now we're back to Trump.
You had six years to win these people over.
It's not their fault you did not.
You need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and see what it is you did to fail them and why do they want Trump or nobody else?
And that's a question you have to answer yourself instead of mocking and putting people down.
So, so, Rich, can we also explore this idea of the ethos, right?
The pathos, less of the logos.
I get asked by Republican donors, again, that I'm on good terms with because they like the campus work we're doing.
Praise God.
Thank them for the support.
We just see things differently politically.
And they say, I hate Trump.
How could anyone like this guy?
But despite it's also that Trump embodies an ultra alpha male in a time of feminine men, an unapologetic defense of the country.
Do you see that in your polling?
Almost a mythological superhero type figure in the eyes of some voters.
Yeah, absolutely.
Did you see him at UFC the other day?
Yeah, he was amazing.
But by the way, I want to ask a question.
What other Republican could hang out with Kid Rock, like six black rappers, right?
Now, are you doing the Pepe thing or are you doing zero?
Okay.
Zero Rope.
Okay.
So make the zero like this, Rich, not like this.
Media Matters is going to love it, which is fine.
No, I've screwed them.
But he goes to the UFC with Dana White and with these amazing black rappers, right?
And very popular black rappers and with Kid Rock.
And there were some other people there.
And he's like one of the boys.
He's hanging out.
And I mean, I don't think Lady Graham could do that.
I do not think Lady Graham could hang out with Kid Rock ringside.
And like, by the way, you know what was so great about the video?
Trump was so engaged.
He was on the front of his seat watching.
Like, your thoughts.
I thought that's a great point, Rich.
I think the Trump campaign's doing something this year, which again, I mean, as in politics, the question he asked before, there's never just one right answer.
It's always a coupling of different things that are going on.
And I think one of the things that really is catching fire for Trump this time around is those who remember 16 and compare it to 20, you cannot be seriously objective and say that something was missing from 2020.
There was something special that he had this connection with voters in 16 that was lost in 2020.
Too many consultants, too many people, too many chiefs, and not enough Indians, right?
In 2024, I think it's 23 now, but moving into 24, they've made a very conscious decision to put Trump back in his element.
The element I go back and I was looking at UFC and I was looking at McDonald's and Ohio, these moments that he has.
And I was thinking back to Manchester, New Hampshire in 2015.
He just showed up at the police department and he just wanted to sit there and shoot the, you know, and shake hands.
And I remember watching and there was cops getting on the phone with people they knew at the firehouse up the road, like, oh my God, Donald Trump is here.
He's just talking.
He's just hanging out.
He's being a dude, you know?
And they were riding over Charlie as fast as they can to come and see this guy.
He showed up to a veterans gathering.
It was totally irrelevant to the presidential race.
It was about veterans healthcare in South Carolina and he just popped up in a very intimate situation.
This one liberal woman couldn't stand him the moment he walked in the door, but he listened.
He was attentive.
He was Trump at his best, had face to face.
He walked out of the room and she goes, I may have to vote for that son of a, you know, and I bet you she did.
I agree.
I bet you she did.
And they're going back to that now.
And I think that's also a big part of the reason.
And for those people, because I got friends that like the guy, like the person you were saying called you.
And it's the same thing.
I hear it a lot.
You know, the bottom line is you're in a better position than most Americans and you have a way to have a platform and have a voice or to exercise some kind of control over your life.
These people do not.
And when they look at Trump, they don't see a Republican nominee.
When they look at Trump, they don't see a presidential nominee.
They say, that guy is going to be my voice.
You remember that in 16?
I am your voice.
Do you remember that?
The minute he said that, I flipped my pen in the air and I said, this election is over.
That's because that's all they needed to hear.
That was the bar they needed to hear.
They look at him as someone who's going to execute a rescue mission.
Rich Barris is with us.
Rich, tell our audience how they can support you and the content you're producing.
Best place to support us, Charles, Charlie, is peoplespundant.locals.com.
We're everywhere, but that's, you know, that's the central hub.
That's home base.
And you can learn about the public polling project, everything we're doing over there.
We're going to be getting into some states soon.
We already actually started.
So people will be the first always to see polling on a locals page.
Peoplespundit.locals.com.
Very good.
So, Rich, I am going to ask you, you know, is there evidence to show that longer primaries make us more likely to win?
What does history tell us in that regard?
I personally am only, this is my mantra.
What are we doing today to win Kenosha County, Waukesha County, Fulton County, Cobb County, Maricopa, lose Pima by less and run up the score in Yavapai and Mojave?
If you can't answer that question every single day, then we are not going to win the White House in 2024.
In fact, I said this to a group of donors over the weekend and I said, we're probably going to lose in 2024.
And they were like, what do you mean?
I said, we're not favored.
We don't have a machine.
We have a Republican Party that is completely inept.
I want your thoughts on that, Rich.
If you were to do the Vegas gambling odds, who would you give the favor to?
I think we're the underdog.
I want us to act like the underdog.
You know, what you said is, I think, is accurate.
And people, when I say that, always point out, well, your own polling has Trump ahead nationally.
And I tell them in response to my generic ballot bowling at Republicans winning by about the national popular vote margin.
They won by yet.
They didn't do especially well where they needed to.
Democrats have this machine now, this vote by mail machine in the places you mentioned elsewhere as well.
And Republicans should be focused on that right now.
Listen, Joe Biden is the weakest incumbent I have ever seen.
It doesn't matter.
They got Joe Flint to be a senator.
I mean, so it just doesn't matter.
That's right.
Just you actually took my example to the T. John Fetterman is not competent, and yet Democrats in the state of Pennsylvania voted for him blindly.
We call it the hive.
This is just the kind of place we're in politically right now.
And it's not about persuasion anymore, as much as it is about gathering and grabbing up those votes.
And I got to tell you, when I go around and I talk to donors who ask me, where do I put my money?
They just don't see the value in what I'm telling them, which is you put it into people who are trying to build a machine.
You want to play by the old game.
You want to give money for access.
You want to give money to support a person so they return your call.
That is not how you win elections anymore in the United States of America.
We're way beyond that now.
I think 22 should have woke people up, but they didn't.
Still, it really does depend who the nominee is, considering I think it's overwhelming.
Look, Trump is a former president, and people ask me all the time, but the early frontrunner in the primary polling doesn't go on to be the nominee.
That's not always true, but it has typically been true.
The problem here is we're making that the historical comparison.
We don't have one, Charlie, for people.
And we hear DeSantis supporters, Haley supporters use this argument.
We don't have a historical comparison with a former president who's still largely beloved by the party, who they now just turned into a martyr.
Good luck with that.
Let's play.
And I was looking at demographics to begin with, Charlie.
You got to break those demographics, and they didn't do it.
Cut 27.
It's a minute long.
Donald Trump goes to the UFC.
Show me, do you think Lady Graham, you think Mitt Romney could do this?
I want you to imagine.
Do you think Mitt Romney would get a reaction like this?
This is a man who's under indictment who might be indicted in two other cities.
Look at how he's received here.
Play cut 27.
Yeah, and I'm set up in court out of this state through my own two hands.
Trump's Attitudinal Advantage 00:02:44
We've traveled this land back night and minivan.
And all this for the fans, girls, money, and fame.
I played their game and they could scream by me.
I will show them shame.
I'm going to die for this.
And if I come off small, make sure you want this.
Are you scared?
Sitting right there.
Rich, have you ever seen anything like that?
Not on a Republican side of the fence.
That's something that, you know, Democrats try to always turn their candidates into, you know, celebrities that are cool in pop culture.
Trump has the ability to do that.
Nobody else does.
I mean, it's not even close.
And by the way, that's even cooler than anything Democrats can do by calling up their Hollywood friends.
I mean, you really touched on something before, which is why I think he is competitive in these states, you know, Wisconsin, looking at how poorly Dan Kelly did.
We went over these maps in great details.
It is something that is attitudinal.
How does Donald Trump do so well in what we call lumberjack country in Wisconsin?
While Democrats still can crush a Republican like Romney, like Dan Kelly, you know, where they pegged him in the 30s in these counties, in Douglas, in Bayfield, and Ashland, right?
And Trump gets in the 40s.
How does this happen?
It's something that's attitudinal.
And I just don't see any other Republican candidate duplicating that.
And it's not, you know, he's got an image.
Charlie, he's been around for a long time and he just isn't that brand.
It's not that it's the brand itself, you know, that was created.
He is that brand.
So he just has an appeal that no one else can match.
I mean, that's not a dig on anyone else.
I want to invest in Dane County, Waukesha, Cobb, Fulton, and Maricopa.
Right now, no one is doing it.
It's not happening.
Which Trump, by the way, argues for.
He does.
No, to his credit, he's getting on that.
Just don't do it at the RNC.
All right, Rich, thanks so much.
Appreciate it.
Big data polls.
Check it out.
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