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April 18, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Fleeing to Florida with Josie Glabach
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Gender Dysphoria vs Attention Seeking 00:11:52
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Today in the Charlie Kirk Show, a full hour with the red-headed libertarian, Josie Glayback.
Very smart woman, talks about how the state, the regime in Massachusetts, went after her kid.
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This hour, we have a very interesting guest, someone I'm excited to talk to, Josie Glayback, otherwise known as the red-hatted libertarian from TimCast.com.
Josie, welcome to the program.
Hi, Charlie.
Thanks for having me.
So tell us about your story and tell us what you believe and why you believe it.
And then we'll talk about more from there.
Sure.
So my story, I got into the libertarian spectrum.
I kind of always was a libertarian, maybe starting in 2012.
And I got onto Twitter around 2017, 2018 in that time and kind of just started developing into who I was and kind of seeing a cultural shift that I didn't really agree with.
And I was living in Massachusetts at the time.
And that was when the pandemic happened and everything.
And I was seeing some stuff with the trans agenda that was happening in my life.
And it was starting to come more into my life than I wanted it to come into regarding my children.
And one thing happened after another thing happened after another.
And I just said, okay, this is it.
And moved to Florida.
So now I'm a libertarian living in Florida and just rolling, rolling with emotions.
Very cool.
Were you a liberal before you were a libertarian?
I didn't know what I was.
Around the time of September 11th, I was pretty conservative given what had happened, you know, and I was in high school at the time and I just wanted justice, what I thought was justice.
And then around that time, living in Massachusetts, there's a lot of liberal influence.
So I was kind of bombarded with that at the same time, but nothing really seemed to fit who I was until I found the Ron Paul Revolution around 2012.
So you got a follow from Elon Musk.
Normally I wouldn't really call out a Twitter following, but how did that happen?
Tell us about it.
Elon Musk has been sort of engaging with me on cultural issues for the last maybe four or five months regarding the trans agenda, regarding masculinity, femininity, that sort of stuff, which is stuff that I touch on a lot on my account.
And this recent one really made headlines.
So I had just quoted a story about Ron DeSantis and how he banned sex changes for children in the state of Florida, which is my state, which is wonderful.
And Elon Musk saw it and he responded that anybody who sterilizes a non-consenting adult, a child, needs to go to prison forever.
And this picked up probably almost, oh gosh, maybe 750,000 likes on that, just his response to me.
And he followed me right after that.
Well, that's something.
So let's talk about that.
So as a libertarian, you know, I'll certainly agree with you on guns and privacy issues, but I'm not a libertarian.
I used to be and I have big disagreements, libertarians a lot.
But the trans thing, a lot of libertarians are okay with it.
How did you get to your opinion?
How do you reconcile that with your libertarian views?
I am of the opinion that a consenting adult can do whatever they want with their bodies.
That's none of my business.
I'm seeing a trend of them coming for children.
And children cannot consent.
They cannot have informed consent.
Their brains aren't developed that way.
We've known this for decades, if not centuries, that children are too immature to consent.
That's why they don't gamble.
They don't drink.
They can't enlist.
They can't smoke.
There's all these rules we have regarding children, but suddenly children are mature enough to agree to be sterilized, to have top surgery where they have healthy body parts cut off.
And these are children and they'll try to say, no, this isn't happening.
It happens to children as young as 13 years old at Boston Children's Hospital.
We know this.
Yeah.
And so the yet the left seem very upset about it and are defending.
Where do you think that comes from?
I think there's a long game here.
I believe that there's four different parts to this agenda.
Okay.
There's the big pharma, the depopulation, the political goals, and then the cultural goals.
So they're targeting children right now because children are the next generation and they're tweens.
And so they've got like another 70 years left on this earth to say.
And they're going to make them permanent fixtures in big pharma, permanent clients of big pharma.
And we saw the demonic toxicity of what big pharma is capable of during the pandemic.
So they're creating a generation permanently dependent on drugs and surgeries.
Then there's depopulation.
And we know that a lot of what they're doing is sterilizing children.
That's a lot of what these drugs do is sterilize these children.
And then we also know that 40% will attempt suicide.
And I don't know how many succeed out of that, but many of them who detransition, like Chloe, Chloe Cole, for instance, she didn't have any suicidal ideations until after she started her transition.
So it's creating suicidal children on top of this.
So we have children who are living less length of life and who are not having children.
So there's a pre-depopulation agenda happening here.
Political goals is creating a permanent class of hysterical victims.
Left-wing voters in expanding federal government power, infringing on 9A and 10A.
And then the cultural goals is this obfuscation of male and female adult and child.
And a lot of this is cultural Marxism.
Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto, his guidelines on how to overthrow a country.
And that is to destabilize it through destabilizing, like erasing its history, overthrowing families and religion and eternal truths is another big one.
Borders.
It's all of that.
And all of this is happening.
And I believe that the trans agenda and the exploitation of empathy by people who don't really know any better is the church and horse for this cultural Marxism.
So some libertarians, do you think that there is any connection between the trans ideology and going after children?
And that's where some libertarians, as you would say, it's nothing about your own body.
But shouldn't we call out the ideology itself?
The downstream effect is obviously the castration of children.
But the upstream source, I would argue, is that we allowed a mental delusion to become a popular idea pathogen.
What would your thoughts on that be?
What's complicated about it is gender dysphoria is a thing.
And it's a very, it is minor.
It is almost immeasurable in a small way.
Something like 0.0025% of the population.
It's ridiculous how small it is.
And these people exist.
But what happens is the cultural Marxists saw a way to gain power by creating this, like a rite of passage for children, essentially, to become trans.
And so the adults that are pushing this on to children should absolutely be called out.
And the way that you can see the difference is the adults that actually have gender dysphoria, they just want to pass.
They just want to fit in.
They just want to be whatever gender they feel they are and just live their lives.
Those who have like a fetish or a solipsism of it, those people want to stand out, like Dylan Mulvaney, for instance.
They need to stand out.
And that's not typical of gender dysphoria.
People who want attention for it.
And also they, them, non-binary, that's not gender dysphoria either, because people are gender dysphoric when they feel like one gender or the other, not when they feel like a family.
Julia, what you're saying is interesting.
You're saying that there's a new phenomenon that uses elements of gender dysphoria, but it's something much more narcissistic and sociopathic almost.
It's beyond struggling with a delusion of your own identity.
And that's interesting.
So because they're conflating the two.
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So I want to just kind of zero in on one point that I think is interesting.
The emphasis on children, super important.
But for example, would you support laws that would say that men shouldn't compete in NCAA sports?
That's not children, that's adults.
What would your perspective on that be?
I believe that that infringes on the rights of women.
So that's a separate issue for me.
Adult Forces Shaping Pronouns 00:03:20
And I would absolutely support a law that keeps men out of women's faces because there is so much danger that is attached to that.
I mean, not even not even taking championships and medals and records away from women.
It's men in the locker rooms with the women.
And many of them, just men, fully intact men, stripping in front of women and women not consenting to seeing any of that.
So that's a different issue.
And I absolutely support it.
That's good.
So I want to ask about your child.
My producer said they were dialoguing with you in the break that you moved and it saved your child's life.
They were going after your child.
So talk about how you were able to prevent your kid from being infected with the trans social contagion.
Sure.
So we were in Massachusetts, which is heavily, heavily infiltrated with the trans agenda.
And my sweet daughter was told at 10 by her friends that she was gay because of how she dressed.
She was a tomboy.
And she was told she was gay.
And so she tried to come out to me at 10 years old saying, mom, I think I'm gay.
And so as her mother, I actually laughed because she's been writing boys' names with hearts around them on the mirror since she was six years old.
So I like my instinct was just to laugh.
And then I looked at her and I realized she was like, she was serious.
And I was like, okay, do you have a crush on any girls?
And she goes, no.
And I'm like, then, then why, why do you think you're gay?
And she's like, well, my friends told me it's because of how I'm dressing.
And she, you know, dressed kind of like a boy.
She always wore a backward snapback hat and sweatpants and like a loose fitting shirt.
And she skateboarded and she's excellent at sports.
She's terrific.
She could be in the Olympics someday.
She's so good at them.
But she was told very young by friends that how she dressed was because she was gay.
And I told her, I'm like, all right, well, I know you're not as your mother.
Just your habits.
Like you weren't, you weren't writing Sally in a heart on the mirror.
You know, you were writing boys' names.
So as your mother, we'll talk about this when you're older, but I don't want you to even worry about it or think about it now.
And she said, okay.
And then I get a letter from somebody, an adult.
I'll just say an adult in her life.
And they were referring to her as a they, them.
It took me a little while to read, to figure out what they were saying, because it sounded like they were talking about a group of people, because they would switch from the they, then pronouns to the she, her pronouns and just them both, and so I actually wrote them back.
When I figured out what was going on, I was like, did my daughter tell you to use those pronouns on her?
And she goes, no, I didn't want to assume so there were adult forces that were Coming down on her about being non-binary.
And I'd asked her if this had happened in her school at all.
And she said it had happened, but she didn't know how to speak out against it.
Like she's, you know, it wasn't a big deal.
She just kind of brushed it off.
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And I was like, all right, well, it's a big deal to me.
And there are a lot of issues that have been happening at the same time.
Like I said, the pandemic wasn't handled properly by my state.
She has she, my daughter that I'm talking about, she has a one in a million condition where her immune system breaks her bones.
And that was being treated in Boston.
And there were issues going on there where they were trying to force the vaccine on her.
And this disease she has was an mRNA vaccine, an mRNA disease.
So they were trying to force this vaccine on her at the same time.
So it was like coming from us at all different angles.
And it just got to the point where we were just like, we got to save our kids.
This is not going to stop.
It's going to start going for my younger children too.
It starts list.
And so, I mean, I was looking at houses in January.
We were moved by March of last year.
And you moved to Florida.
Moved to Florida.
Yes.
And I got here.
And there's no trans agenda here.
Like my kids are in a great school.
There's no pressure of that at all.
They're not having to deal with it in the school.
Ron DeSantis has put up protections about things like that.
Non-existent, which is incredible.
It's like living in a different world from Massachusetts, where a month ago they were going to start remasking.
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States' Rights for Child Survival 00:15:10
Okay, I want to play a couple pieces of tape here and continue to explore this topic.
But let me ask you, though, you're talking about your child who is basically being preyed on, who is being groomed by parents, by other parents or other adults.
Is it fair to say, is it accurate to say that in some communities, Massachusetts, New York, that there are groups of elders, people that should not do this, but that are going after children, trying to influence their sexual identity and behavior.
Is that fair to say?
Absolutely fair to say.
I mean, I had mentioned earlier Dylan Mulvaney, if you want to talk about that, what's happening there, I have a different take on it than I've heard around The fact of the matter is Dylan Mulvaney, he is a man who actually LARPs as a girl, not a woman.
And this is evident by his, he has this video series he does called something.
Eloise video series.
Yeah, you're right.
Girlhood.
So now take it that he represents adult products like beer and tampons, which aren't something an 11-year-old girl would use.
So if you look at it through the eyes of the left and what they believe, he is a sexualized child who is representing these brands.
And he's either marketing to children, which would circumvent all the existing laws that are meant to prevent this, or he's marketing to adults as a sexualized child, which blurs the lines involving things like consent and pedophilia.
Now, since you brought that up, do you think that we're going to have to have the same sort of culture fights with pedophilia sometime soon?
I mean, is that where we're headed?
Is that a conspiracy theory?
Not at all.
That's absolutely where we're headed.
And it goes all the way to the trans agenda with my body, my choice, abortion, everything.
It all loops back to age.
So the trans agenda is saying that a 13-year-old child can consent to have her healthy breasts removed.
That's what the trans agenda says.
But she can't consent to smoking a cigarette.
Yep.
Things with far less lasting consequences than we're being lectured right now, Josie, about people on the left.
They say, oh, you should not be able to own a weapon until you're 25.
And meanwhile, when you're 14, you can have without your parental consent, without parental consent.
So we're going to, look, we're seeing the rise of the pedophiles already, and we're seeing them get stronger, and we see them gaining steam, not losing steam.
There's an accelerant behind it.
I want to play some pieces of tape here, which I think is really important.
I want to reemphasize that I said at the break.
Okay, I'm a conservative libertarian.
We agree on a lot, but this is honestly beyond anything.
This is civilizational.
I don't understand anybody who could support this.
I've met them.
They're groomers.
They're creeps.
Some of them are perverts.
Let's play cut 29.
And this is not just, this is what I get sometimes from people.
People will say, well, Charlie, this is just, why does this impact me?
This is an ideological debate.
What do you have against trans people?
Well, let's look at this right here.
This is now legislation.
And Josie, you know this.
In Washington, they are able to now kidnap your child.
Not an exaggeration.
It's not a hyperbole.
I'm not doing this to get clicks.
They're now, and it's happening in California too, maybe, to kidnap your child.
Play cut 29.
The microaggressions, the language of parents.
I really wish more parents had the skills that the parents who are in this room talking about how they would want to affirm their children, but say no.
I wish more parents had that.
But when I see a young person come to me on a regular basis saying, I can't go home.
Home is not safe.
Am I not going to do something?
Are we not going to do something?
Am I going to let them stay out on the street, homeless, at risk?
All because they can't go home to a place where we don't know what those threats are going to actually be.
And that's a lot of buzzwords, but if you listen very carefully with what she's saying, she's effectively saying that parents who do not affirm the mental delusion of a 12-year-old or a 13-year-old.
For example, a 12-year-old comes home after seeing a TikTok video being around parents, and they're very impressionable, as per your point.
Their brains are still developing.
They're open to other people's social cues.
They are trying to conform to try to limit bullying amongst themselves.
At age of 12, they might say, Mom, I'm a boy.
And if the parent says, no, you're not, like you did, like you said, no, actually, you're not, you could be subject to the government coming, and this is now Assembly Bill 665.
The government can come take the child away, child protective services, kidnapping bill.
Children as young as 12 would be given the power to place themselves in residential shelters with the help of a counselor.
Your thoughts?
That makes my skin crawl.
And that is something that had crossed my mind that could happen if I didn't save my children from mass.
That's something that had crossed my mind, which it's unthinkable.
It's unthinkable to me, just as a mother, seeing what was happening, seeing what was coming from my children.
A lot of what they're doing is this obfuscation of consent and what children can consent to with their bodies.
The things they can consent to with their bodies are a lot of it is the refusal of the things that they already can't consent to.
Like a child has the power to say, no, I don't want to have sex.
No, I don't want to do drugs.
No, I don't want to take alcohol.
And that's where their power is.
But they're trying to say that they can also say, yes, I want to do those things and they can't.
Yeah, and it really asks the question of who do kids belong to, right?
Now, some extreme libertarians, which you are not, will say, oh, when they're 14 or 15 or 16.
It's just, that's nonsense, right?
Do you have any response to that?
I usually drag those people if they come to me and do it on my Twitter account because it sounds like groomer language to me.
Child cannot consent to sterilization.
And they'll try to say it's not happening, but if it's happening, here's why it's a good thing.
Yeah, that's a great piece by Michael Anton.
It's not happening, but it's good that it is.
It's one of the best pieces written in the last, I don't know if you've read it or not, on American Mind.
It's one of the best pieces I've ever read.
It's not happening and it's good that it is.
I'm sorry, what?
Yes, a lot of gaslighting, a lot of gaslighting is happening.
But one of the things that they're doing is if you say you're against the transing of children, which I am, they will say, oh, so you're against trans people.
And they'll make it about all trans people.
And like I said, I don't really care.
I don't care what they do.
Like, just stay away from me, stay away from my children.
Do what you're going to do with your body.
Just leave me out of it, leave my family out of it.
So this idea that the state owns your children is not a new idea.
I mean, they've let themselves in to be the father in the home.
Why not let themselves in to be both parents at this point?
That's a great point.
All right.
I want to play another piece of tape here, which I think is very helpful.
Let's go to cut 30.
This is Katie Porter, who's a monster against Bill Maher and Piers Morgan debating.
I mean, and here's Katie Porter just saying, oh, I don't like Riley Gaines.
I don't know if we have Bill Maher actually in this clip, but this is on Bill Maher, play cut 30.
We should be able to have a civil debate.
Nobody, including Riley Gaines, who I disagree with strongly, should be a good idea.
What do you disagree with out of interest?
I think that it should be up to sporting bodies to make the decisions about who they are.
What is she said that's actually wrong?
I think that what she has done is try to turn this.
We talked about people becoming using things to kind of get likes and get clicks.
That's not what she's doing.
I've got no chunk to broader games personally, but all I've seen her do is stand up for women's rights defenders and equality.
Pretty sane.
What is Katie Porter agreeing with here?
Thoughts?
Katie Porter just knows the talking points, but it sounds like she wasn't even up to date on them because she was really her words trying to figure out a way to respond to Piers Morgan.
I was actually lucky enough to interview Riley Gaines myself in one of my Twitter spaces.
I do those regularly.
And it was just incredible listening to her talk about just being a woman and the things that she had to go through.
And one of the things I brought up earlier was that they would have to get changed in the same locker room with an exaggeration.
It's what happened.
And I mean, I was on the swim team, and there's not, there's not a lot of privacy when you're when you're changing with a group of girls, you know, but this is a guy who is a fully equipped guy who was changing with them.
And they didn't consent to that.
And it felt like a violation because he would be looking at them.
And he, I, I don't, I don't blame her.
If it were happening to my child, even if she were an adult, I'd feel I'd feel violated for them and I'd want to fight it too.
But there's just, there's no pathway with that now.
She is forging the way to fight this.
Yes, she is.
And we're going to continue to bring her to Turning Point USA groups.
We just have, I think we have one with her tonight, if I'm not mistaken.
We had one with her last week and we had one with her the week before.
So let me ask you a question here.
There is a libertarian philosophy, libertarian political party, and then there's a libertarian attitude.
Libertarian attitude, I actually think, is the most appealing if we actually have the society organized correctly, which is I'm not really going to care about your business.
Please don't care about mine.
I think that attitude is actually very appealing.
I think a lot of the founding fathers cared about that, not an overly invasive state.
We're past that.
Like that, that country is really dead.
Okay.
But the worst part of the libertarian attitude is I don't care, therefore, I won't do anything about it.
Is what I'm saying making sense?
Can you challenge that sort of belief of some people that say, it doesn't bother me, it doesn't impact me.
Does it?
And if so, what should they do?
If you're a parent, which many are, it impacts you because your children are their target.
And so, yes, this is this is our fight to stop it, to expose it, to get to a red state, because I believe the way forward is going to be 50 sovereign states that almost look like separate countries.
I believe it's federalism as the way forward.
And we're seeing that kind of unfold now.
California looks like a different country from Florida.
And it feels like a different country.
Yeah.
And you'd want to just, you used to want to go to Florida for the weather.
Now you want to go there because their governor is not an absolute tyrant.
So it's.
Well, and I just want to ask for people that might think we're being, we're exaggerating here, let me ask a question.
Was it ever the time in American history since the Civil War where you had to leave one state so that you didn't think your child was going to lose their identity or their life?
That's what happened with your kid.
That's very powerful.
Right?
Has it ever been so bad where, okay, I mean, I have to literally leave a state because I'm afraid for the well-being of my child?
We almost lost the whole states' rights foundation of our country.
Nobody was really thinking about separate states even 10 years ago.
Like a state was just.
It was just kind of a construct, right?
Oh, maybe different tax rates or different gambling laws.
Now it's about survival.
Praise God for our founding fathers, truly.
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Okay, I want to try to find a piece of tape here that I think is important about this.
We had the child kidnapping one, but okay, let's go this direction.
So, I want to ask you, Josie, the attitude that is necessary to defeat this.
I mean, in Massachusetts, when you left, what percentage of parents in these totalitarian blue states do you think actually support this, or they just are so gullible, weak, or cowardly?
I can't imagine that this trans agenda is overwhelmingly popular.
Am I missing something?
It's very popular in Massachusetts.
It's very popular.
And a lot of people, it comes to like a moral superiority, which people up in Massachusetts are pretty smug.
But this comes down to this is the right thing.
It's the morally right thing to do.
And there's that was the vibe that I got when I lived up there for sure.
You really can't speak out against it.
Were you raised in Massachusetts?
My whole life, yes.
Wow.
Okay.
So that's, I mean, I was raised in Illinois and I see something similar.
And that's interesting.
So amongst kind of parents in Boston and the suburbs of Boston, when their, you know, 13-year-old comes back trans, it's like a celebration or something.
I mean, is it kind of like a, is it like a secular bar mitzvah?
It's probably, it's probably like some cognitive dissonance, would be my guess, because, you know, you're supposed to welcome this, but I can't imagine being a parent and willfully being like, okay, I guess this is your life now, and let's just accept it.
I believe it would be my belief that they'd be like, oh my God, this happened to me.
This happened to my family.
This happened to my kid.
So there are some that are just more than willing to.
There are my middle daughter went to school with a they, them who was nine years old.
There are parents who do it to their children too.
There's Munchausen's by Proxy is how I look at it when children are young enough and it's before peer pressure from their friends.
It's coming from their parents.
And that was a pretty popular thing up in Massachusetts.
Yeah, I just want to re-emphasize the point: going from one state to the other for survival of your child.
I think you're right.
I mean, I hope you're wrong.
I think you're right.
We are headed back towards a smaller form of government, more local, more accountable.
Is it going to be a coalition in states?
Parental Control Over Children 00:02:48
Will it be more states' rights?
But can you just riff on that?
As a libertarian, you must be excited that at least we still have some semblance of sovereignty and differences.
It would probably have been ultimately depressing if you went from Massachusetts to Florida and it's just as trans, just as totalitarian, and the weather's nicer, but it's not.
You're actually saying it's a different worldview.
Absolutely.
I believe that the 10th Amendment was a fail-safe that Madison wrote into where it said it essentially can overrule the U.S. Congress on their stupid rules and their stupid laws.
And federalism is so, so important.
And a lot of times when I bring it up, the first pushback that I get is, oh, so you're racist.
Because like they said, the last time we really used federalism was during the Civil War.
And we're in our own kind of civil war right now.
So yeah, you know, not racist.
I'm just trying to save my kid.
And that's the most tribal of all instincts, or the most primal, actually, not tribal, most prime, I mean, it's fundamental to existence.
And I want to applaud you for speaking out about it.
If we can't defend children, there's three types of people, right?
There's infants, the protectors of infants, and predators.
And right now, we elevate predators as teachers and groomers and heads of our society.
You had a great tweet where you said predators and pedophiles used to be priests and in those, but now they're in other places.
They still, some of them still might be priests, but now they're widespread.
Closing thoughts, one minute remaining, Josie.
I believe that if you are in a blue state, you need to get to a red state.
This is the way forward is states' rights.
And it's not going to get easier in the blue states.
You're not going to turn your blue state red.
You're not.
There's no hope.
There really isn't.
And I know that's kind of nihilistic, but trust me, I lived it.
I lived through a state that gradually got more blue and more blue, and I had to flee.
So if you have the means to flee, to go to a red state, do it.
Save your family.
That's your, your children are the most important thing in this world.
I agree.
And I said this.
I was just talking to a friend of mine from Illinois, and he texted me during the show.
He said, honestly, if I was raising my kids 10 years ago, because 10 years ago, he said, I would go to Florida.
I would not raise my kids today in Illinois.
God bless you, Josie.
Thank you for joining us.
Red-headed libertarian, very important voice.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me, Charlie.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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