Villain or Hero? Breaking Down Elon Musk + Tucker Carlson
Conservatives have mixed feelings about Elon Musk. To some, he’s a charismatic crusader for free speech. To others, he’s a robber baron reborn. Charlie reacts to part 1 of Musk’s Tucker Carlson interview and gives his interpretation of the world’s richest man. Plus, Charlie lays out the problem of America’s elites and how today’s can’t hold a candle to those of a century ago.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The world's richest man sat down with the number one cable talk show host in the country.
Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson had an incredible interview yesterday.
And part two will come out today.
Elites vs The Nation00:08:11
You could tell a lot about the health of a society looking at the ruling class.
You could tell a lot about where a nation is headed and whether or not that nation is prospering or faltering based on whether or not the people in charge, the people that have been tasked with governing the society, are doing what is necessary.
That doesn't mean they all have to agree on every topic.
That doesn't mean that every single person in charge of society must have the same political beliefs.
But what we're living through right now, and it just was so clear just watching the Elon Tucker interview, and I didn't agree with everything Elon said, but it was so clear that in some form or fashion, Elon felt some responsibility that I am the world's wealthiest man.
I am the country's wealthiest man.
I probably shouldn't damage humanity or damage the country.
And for that, he's actually a rarity.
That simple sentence that I have wealth, I have power, I have prestige, and I want to do something that is not trying to remake the world in my image.
Not trying to remake the world so I can gain necessary more temporal power.
You see, we're always going to have leaders.
We're always going to have elites.
Elites will always be necessary.
We are not Marxists.
We do not believe in this utopian egalitarianism.
We believe in hierarchies.
We believe that there will be people that get more money.
We believe that some people have a greater work ethic, higher IQ, more of a drive.
And therefore, you're going to have the creation of hierarchies.
The Pareto principle shows us this: that over a period of time, some people are going to get wealthier, some people are going to create more.
And that's fine.
That's natural.
That is healthy.
Markets are the best way to actually organize hierarchies because you're able to give a preference on work ethic, responsibility, delayed gratification makes your society wealthier.
So hierarchies are not going away.
The left likes to make, like, it seems like we need to get rid of hierarchies.
Instead, they actually want to protect the oligarchy so it's untouchable.
You see, what we're living through, especially in the last 20 years, is unprecedented in American history.
It's not that we have been able to get rid of our elites.
Our elites are actually wealthier than they were even in the Gilded era.
Wealthier than they were in the Gilded Age.
They're more powerful than they were at any time in American history, whether it be Google or Goldman Sachs or the FBI.
No, what's unprecedented is that the people in charge of the society, the elites, the corporate elites, the entrepreneurs, the tech CEOs, the people of Congress, they have bitter resentment for the nation and the culture that they oversee.
That's what is unprecedented.
What's unprecedented is that the people in charge hate you and they're vocal about it.
Countries are run well when elites care about the nation and the future of the country and the people in their care.
Tucker has an analogy.
He says often, he says, we should imagine the country as a household or a family, and our leaders are at least temporarily the parents.
The parents look out for what's best for their children.
They don't prioritize other people's children.
They don't let random other kids move into the house and take over.
They don't shrug their shoulders if their kids get addicted to drugs or gambling or video games.
They don't lie to them, which our leaders have made a pattern.
They give them some autonomy and freedom as they get older, and they generally want what is best for them.
Our leaders, our elites, want the opposite.
They are parents who have decided their kids are indeed defective, so they want to throw them out and replace them with other people's kids.
That's what our leaders want.
The consensus amongst the elites is I hate the body politic of America.
I hate their customs.
I hate their beliefs.
I hate their religious traditions.
Hillary Clinton called them deplorables, the smelly Walmart people, the flyover country.
And our elites are completely unpredictable.
First of all, they refuse to take any responsibility.
See, they swerve wildly from being tyrannically controlling to then also being absentee.
They spy on everything we say.
At the same time, they want to edit our books and censor what we can read.
Simultaneously, they don't care if we get addicted to drugs or our kids are killing themselves or our border remains wide open.
They let mobs loot and plunder our streets because it lets them pose as a deeply progressive on racial equity, which makes them more powerful.
Contrast this with the elites that we are told to hate.
You go to a government school.
If you go to a government school, you are told to hate Andrew Carnegie.
You are told to hate Leland Stanford.
You're told to hate J.P. Morgan.
You are taught to hate John D. Rockefeller.
You are taught to hate the industrial titans of the early 1900s because they had too much money and they exploited people.
When in reality, we should be hating our current elites and we should actually be learning about the people that we call the robber barons, the people of the progressive era.
Why do we hate them exactly?
Okay, they had a lot of wealth.
They might have gotten too rich too quickly.
Maybe part of the trust busting was admirable by Teddy Roosevelt.
But guess what?
Leland Stanford spent a lot of money back when colleges were a good thing to start Stanford University.
He loved the country.
Andrew Carnegie built libraries, hospitals, public parks.
Today, our elites, the wealthiest people in charge of our society, they're not building places of learning or institutions to pursue truth or virtue or goodness or to preserve Western society.
Our elites are not trying to build places of deeper learning to support the next generation or to make the country stronger.
They're not doing what J.P. Morgan did, literally bailing out the country.
You know what our elites are doing now?
They're funding trans surgeries for kids.
Our elites now are actively involved in the arson of America.
This is a new development.
It's a new phenomenon.
We did not have this in the 60s, 70s, or 80s.
We had bad people.
We had bad individuals.
We did not have a collective agreement amongst the top tier of society, amongst the 1% of the 1%, the Google people, the Goldman people, the J.P. Morgan people, where they all seem to just agree on one thing.
They might disagree on other things.
They all agree and they just say, we're so sick of the muscular class.
We don't like the country class.
We don't like the people in Missouri or Iowa.
Who are these people?
Let's just bring in a bunch of foreigners.
We'll like them more.
What's this constitution?
This thing, this thing's outdated.
Get rid of this because I learned it at Yale.
That's the thing the elites can agree on, but they seem unwilling at every corner, any turn, to ever acknowledge that the country is falling apart.
No, instead, they'll dedicate hundreds of millions of dollars or billions of dollars to systemic racism or fighting the trans genocide, something that doesn't even exist.
It's a complete fiction.
We're talking about some sort of esoteric, abstract concept of climate change.
No, instead of actually pouring into the core fabric of what makes a nation strong and prosperous, they have disdain for you.
And that's what was so powerful about the Elon Tucker interview that we are going to play bits and pieces and talk about is that you could love Elon, you can hate Elon, you could trust him or distrust him.
It is a fact that what he is doing is a rebellion against the ruling class.
He has defected from that homogenous point of view.
He is certainly heterodox.
What he has done was not well supported.
Oh, yeah, he's unpredictable.
He could be an agent of chaos.
He could be a disruptor.
You better believe that he has different politics than I do on certain issues.
But it is a fact that what you saw in real time in that Tucker Elon interview is a one-man crusade of the world's wealthiest man going up against all the other plutocrats, all the other fat cats, all the other oligarchs and saying, you're a fraud.
Elon As A Disruptor00:16:28
You want to be like God.
You fund the Democrat Party.
I don't like you.
I like free speech and I am pro-human.
And for goodness sake, God bless him for that.
And we're going to talk about it because we need more elites that defect from this idea pathogen, the Borg, the one-size-fits-all that I hate the country.
I even hate humanity at times.
No, no, no, no.
This is a healthy development.
Is he going to succeed?
I have no idea.
What I'm saying, though, is we need more defections, more rebellions, more questioning of this leviathan of the elites who hate you, hate your customs, hate your religion, and hate the country.
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Angelo Cotavilla wrote an amazing book on the ruling class.
In 2010, he summarized it in an essay.
He said, quote, today's ruling class from Boston to San Diego was formed by an educational system that exposed them to the same ideas and gave them remarkably uniform guidance as well as tastes and habits.
These amount to a social canon of judgments about good and evil, complete with a secular sacred history.
Sins, for example, actions against minorities and the environment, and saints using the right words and avoiding the wrong ones when referring to such matters.
Speaking with the in language serves as a badge of identity.
Regardless of what business or profession they are in, they wrote up, included government channels and government money because as government has grown, its boundary with the rest of American life has become indistinct.
Many began their careers in government and leveraged their way into the private sector.
Hence, whether formally in government or out of it or halfway, America's ruling class speaks the language and has the tastes, habits, and tools of bureaucrats.
It rules uneasily over the majority of Americans, not oriented to the regime.
Elon Musk called out Larry Page.
Now, two things that all of us in this audience have in common: we believe there is a God and we are not him.
Third thing is we don't want to become God.
It's very important.
Now, I'm not trying here to convince you that you should support Elon Musk.
I'm not even saying you should trust Elon Musk.
Instead, what I'm talking about is a broader picture of elite culture, the elite community, the governing class, and how they have abdicated their responsibility and how Elon is changing that.
And we're getting a lot of emails.
People are not convinced.
They think Elon's awful and terrible.
Okay.
Well, Elon deserves some credit for calling out Larry Page by name and saying that Google is trying to create a digital god.
I haven't heard another ruling class person with the courage to challenge Google like this.
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The reason Open AI exists at all is that Larry Page and I used to be close friends, and I would stay at his house in Palo Alto.
And I would talk to him late into the night about AI safety.
And at least my perception was that Larry was not taking AI safety seriously enough.
What did he say about it?
He really seemed to be once sort of digital super intelligence, basically digital god, if you will, as soon as possible.
He wanted that?
Yes.
He's made many public statements over the years that the whole goal of Google is what's called AGI, artificial general intelligence or artificial superintelligence.
When I talk about how the ruling class has contempt for humanity, people roll their eyes.
You can think negatively of Elon Musk.
You can think, of course, oh, he's terrible.
He's all these different things.
When's the last time someone went on cable television, went on any sort of platform, and was willing to say that the head of Google has contempt for human beings?
That's what's here.
It's a term that you might not pick up on called speciist.
The head of Google accused Elon Musk of being specious, racist towards other species or intolerant of other species outside of human beings.
Yeah, guilty.
Actually, we are pro-human.
We should try to agree on a pro-human future, probably pretty something that is important.
How many other elites are doing this?
You might hate Elon.
You might think he's the worst person ever, but you have to be honest.
I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.
You might be right.
Maybe Elon is awful and terrible.
It's not about it.
But it's a fact.
How many other people that are in the tech community that have hundreds of billions of dollars are willing to call out Google by name and say that they actually have contempt for human beings?
Anybody?
Zuckerberg?
Google?
Dropbox?
Salesforce?
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No, and I agree with him that there's great potential for good, but there's also potential for bad.
And then at one point, I said, well, what about, you know, we're going to make sure humanity is okay here.
And they called me a species.
Did he use that term?
Yes.
And there were witnesses.
Wasn't the only one there when he called me a specist.
And so I was like, okay, that's it.
Yes, I'm a species.
Okay.
You got me.
What are you?
Head of Google thinks that you are being a specist, accusing you in a derogatory, negative way, condemning you for trying to argue for what is best for human beings.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty good thing that's now in the zeitgeist, and it shows a window.
The people in charge of Google very well might be able to agree with depopulation agendas, anti-human behavior.
How many elites are willing to speak out against that?
It would be good to have a little bit more discussion, disagreement amongst the people that are in charge of the governing class.
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I want to read some emails here.
Definitely an overwhelming, a negative view of Elon Musk.
Charlie, I think he's the Antichrist.
Charlie, I believe that he's doing nothing but negative for humanity.
Charlie, he's bought by the CCP.
Charlie, stop praising Elon.
There's some positives, but I do want to make sure the negatives are communicated.
I'm not going to debate here.
I've never met Elon.
I don't know his personal motivations.
I don't know what drives him.
I just know what he's doing.
And that's a separate issue, isn't it?
So there's two categories.
I could judge somebody on their actions, which I think is fair, or somebody on their intentions, which is largely unknown unless you can really get to know somebody.
Not unknown as you see a pattern of behavior.
So the question I guess would be if Elon wants to take over the world just for power, why would he buy Twitter, which is now half as valuable today than when he bought it?
So that's kind of interesting.
I'm now freer to speak on Twitter than I was prior.
And so look, you could say he's the best, he's the worst, he's the antichrist, or you could kind of somebody in the middle and say what he's doing is necessary.
Let's talk about artificial intelligence.
We've done entire shows on artificial intelligence.
Our current elites are in bed with trying to create a digital God.
Okay?
And nobody is speaking out against it.
Nobody with power.
So Elon Musk takes a fair amount of time and says, hey, just so we're clear, this artificial intelligence stuff could destroy the entire world.
It could destroy humanity as we know it.
He's right.
People in power need to start saying it.
Is Zuckerberg saying that?
No.
Is the Sundar Perkay guy from Google saying it?
No.
Larry Page?
No.
Sergey Brin?
No.
George Soros?
No.
Lorraine Powell Jobs?
No.
They're training AI to take over the entire world.
I cannot tell you, as somebody who understands this at a very elementary level, not at a sophisticated, advanced level, this is heading in a bad direction very quickly.
So they want to try to create a digital God.
We played that tape.
He gets accused of being a species.
Sounds like the similar left-wing tactics, doesn't it?
You're a racist.
You're a homophobe.
You're a colonialist.
You're an imperialist.
You're a species.
That's where we're at.
If you say that human beings should come first, they call you a specist.
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Can you be more precise about what's potentially dangerous and scary?
Like, what could it do?
What specifically are you worried about?
Going with old sayings, the pen is mightier than the sword.
So if you have a super intelligent AI that is capable of writing incredibly well and in a way that is very influential, you know, convincing, and then and is constantly figuring out what is more convincing to people over time and then enters social media, for example, Twitter, but also Facebook and others, you know,
and potentially manipulates public opinion in a way that is very bad.
How would we even know?
AI is being trained to be dishonest.
So they're being trained to be a left-wing activist, basically, a social justice warrior.
It's becoming a woke super weapon.
Who else is speaking out against this?
And let's just be honest, who else has the resources to actually combat this?
Congress is not even doing anything close to enough about this.
This thing could take over entire cyber grids, could take over militaries.
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I'm worried about the fact that it's being trained to be politically correct, which is simply another way of being untruthful, saying untruthful things.
Yes.
So that's a bad sign.
That's certainly a path to AI dystopia is to train an AI to be deceptive.
A path to be evil, dishonest.
The problem is, as Elon says in this interview, usually we only put up roadblocks or regulations after something bad has happened.
The AI may be in control at that point, the artificial intelligence.
It might be sentient.
It might have singularity.
And Google is all on board for this.
So for those of you that have nothing but negative things to say about Elon Musk, here's the binary, I suppose.
You could have what you have right now, which is an unpredictable chaos agent who at least has liberated Twitter and exposed the government's control net.
I'll get to that in a second.
Fighting for free speech that might have ties to the CCP that I don't like and you don't like.
Or he could be using his $180 billion to assist Larry Page.
Which would you prefer?
You might say, oh, Charlie, they're both the same.
No, you're wrong.
That this is better than that.
Is it ideal?
Not really.
There's things I wish he could do differently.
But it's certainly a step in the right direction of an elite community that disagrees on nothing.
They are in full harmony.
The current elite governing community does not allow defections or disagreement.
They must say, we're going for transhumanism.
We're going for our version of eternal life.
We're going to destroy human beings as we know it.
We're going to depopulate the earth, mRNA vaccines, and suppress free speech.
And we hate America while doing it.
And then you got one guy that says, yeah, I don't agree.
And they're trying to crush him.
For those of you that don't like Elon Musk, if Elon was not doing something that could be a glitch in the Matrix, why are they trying to destroy him so badly?
Why is the media mocking him so much?
If he was really an enemy, why are they trying to destabilize him, slander him, and smear him?
We have not seen a person of this high profile defect against the ruling class as significant since Donald Trump went down the escalator in June of 2015, nearly eight years ago.
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Regulations are really only put into effect after something terrible has happened.
That's correct.
If that's the case for AI and we only put in regulations after something terrible has happened, it may be too late to actually put the regulations in place.
The AI may be in control at that point.
Do you think that's real?
It is conceivable that AI could take control and reach a point where you couldn't turn it off and it would be making decisions for people.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
No, that's definitely where things are headed, for sure.
Yeah, it's going to happen imminently.
How many of our members of Congress are saying anything?
Do they even understand AI?
They're probably still trying to figure out how to log into the Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg was testifying.
Mr. Zuckerberg, how do I log into this thing?
It's way over their head.
Would you rather have elites like Lady Graham that are calling for war in Ukraine?
That's what you have in the Republican Party.
That's my only challenge, respectfully.
And you guys might be right.
He might be the worst person ever.
I have no idea.
I'd be happy to meet him, interview him, have an open mind.
Or he could be something in the middle, a mixture of good and bad, a mixture of agreement and disagreement.
Maybe it's something that is necessary, something that's disruptive, something that might be a truth-teller on certain topics and just kind of boring and mainstream on others.
Aren't we all kind of a mixture?
Is it really a binary always?
Good, bad, black, white, evil, good.
Maybe he's just, maybe there's a tension there with Elon.
Maybe.
Elon calls for regulation of artificial intelligence, and boy, do I certainly agree at this.
This is about to get wildly out of control.
It could destroy human beings as we know it, destroy humanity.
You want to talk about an apocalypse?
This makes nuclear war look like child's play.
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So then I think regulation is, you know, it's not fun to be regulated.
It's sort of somewhat of a somewhat arduous to be regulated.
I have a lot of experience with regulated industries because obviously automotive is highly regulated.
I think it needs to start with a group that initially seeks insight into AI, then solicits opinion from industry, and then has proposed rulemaking.
And then those rules will probably hopefully grudgingly be accepted by the major players in AI.
Now, you might say, oh, Charlie, come on, this is a bunch of fear-mongering.
Oh, let me show you a piece of tape here.
60 Minutes in an interview with Pakai from Google.
This thing is getting a life of its own.
The artificial intelligence machine is getting for in singularity.
The elites are just salivating.
You know why?
They think they have found godlike power.
They think they have finally been able to find the oneness, the gnosis, the mind.
That's really literally where the word Gnosticism comes from.
They think they are close towards creating the divine.
Maybe someone should say this is a really bad idea.
Well, Elon is.
AI Singularity Fears00:06:27
Who else is?
Watch this clip of Google CEO saying that, yeah, the AI system has a life of its own.
It's doing stuff it wasn't programmed to do.
He kind of finds it funny.
You trust Google?
If Elon is against Google, I'm going to compliment him for that.
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AI systems are teaching themselves skills that they weren't expected to have.
How this happens is not well understood.
There is an aspect of this which we call, all of us in the field, call it as a black box.
You know, you don't fully understand, and you can't quite tell why it said this or why it got wrong.
We have some ideas, and our ability to understand this gets better over time.
But that's where the state of the art is.
You don't fully understand how it works, and yet you've turned it loose on society?
Yeah, let me put it this way.
I don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either.
Do you notice he said the word better?
By what standard?
What morality?
What ethical code?
How are you judging better?
You mean more likely to censor Christians, conservatives, and people of faith?
Better, more efficient to be able to destroy America?
Better, more likely to suppress ideas you don't like?
What do you mean by better exactly?
Who's actually deeply talking about this from a thoughtful way?
Joe Allen is.
Well, Elon Musk agrees.
Maybe we should take his warning.
Is other politics aside?
Okay, there's a clear and present danger here that it's not creeping up.
It's accelerating.
It's growing in speed.
It's growing in strength.
And the entire species could be at risk.
And Google thinks that's just fine.
A year ago, there were a few bad image generators for artificial intelligence.
Now you can write computer programs from scratch.
It's moving so quickly.
AI has gotten to an order of magnitude, more powerful in about a year.
In five years, I mean, in five years, it's possible that we're just all subservient to these things.
The species as we know it could be totally changed.
And our leaders just don't think about it.
They don't know about it.
And by the way, just watch out.
A lot of Republicans are bought by Google, aka Netpack.
I don't even know if government could do something at this point.
I don't.
The secularists are going to create something that they think are deemed that is finally worthy of worship.
Some people are emailing us: pull the plug.
Might be too late.
Elon's trying to warn us.
Is the option to create a better AI, a more ethical AI?
Now, there's a lot of good that could come out of artificial intelligence if the program is written correctly, the coding is written correctly, if it's trained correctly.
You might say, oh, Charlie, there's no such good thing out of AI.
But let me try to convince you otherwise.
Imagine artificial intelligence that could look at 300 million cancer screenings and be able to find tumors before anybody else, find predictive gene markers, or how about be able to develop life-saving drugs in a matter of minutes?
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of compelling to be able to say that, you know, kids with leukemia could be treated a lot easier and better because information and medicine is everything.
Finding trends, finding the best practices of treatment, and all of it is just kind of right now very inefficient and word of mouth and corrupt.
And you have Pfizer, Nashuxenek, and Moderna.
That's a potential positive.
It really does kind of come down to a question, though, because we are about to go into something very dangerous, everybody.
God created man.
Machines did not create man.
And we created machines.
Shouldn't machines work for us?
It's about to change.
The game is about to change.
Elon is trying to say, hey, this thing is really going in a dangerous and awful and terrible direction.
They're trying to create a digital God.
They're trying to create the oneness of mind.
And our elites are excited about it.
You know why our elites like this?
Our elites are thrilled.
Zuckerberg, all of them.
Because they think they're going to get eternal life through this.
They believe that they'll be able, through transhumanism, upload their consciousness and they will live forever.
They believe they have finally been able to find the way that they will be able to exist without ceasing.
Let's play another piece of tape here.
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So then I think regulation is, yeah, it's not fun to be regulated.
It's sort of somewhat of auduous to be able to be regulated.
I have a lot of experience with regulated industries because obviously automotive is highly regulated.
I think it needs to start with a group that initially seeks insight into AI, then solicits opinion from industry, and then has proposed rulemaking.
And then those rules will probably hopefully grudgingly be accepted by the major players in AI.
Someone says here, Charlie, it's time.
Let it happen.
I disagree.
You should never welcome evil.
If God has a greater plan, so be it.
But you should do everything you possibly can to fight against evil.
So here we have Elon.
Currently, as I've said, we have a governing community of elites that could not care less about the country that they actually oversee.
They want all the perks, none of the responsibility.
They want all the privileges, but none of the grit or none of the work that it takes.
Elon is something in the middle.
Elon is pushing back.
He's warning us.
Soon you are going to have an entire society, civilization, that can be ruled by artificial intelligence and by a machine above man.
God created a hierarchy, God, man, nature.
And the Google people and the elites, they want to create something new.
They want to create a machine created by man that will get out of control.
We know it.
Elon's trying to say this thing is going to get wildly out of control.
It's going to have a mind of its own.
It's going to have its own gnosis, its own being.
For one, I'm thankful that Elon Musk is warning us of what's coming next.
And for that, he deserves praise.
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