A board coup at Project Veritas has expelled James O'Keefe from the empire he himself built, and nobody has given a satisfactory reason why. Steve Bannon joins Charlie to explore the causes of this stunning story. Did Pfizer pay off somebody inside Veritas? Is there a power struggle over getting credit? Or is good old-fashioned envy to blame for this sudden attack on a national conservative icon?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Defending Against The Pincer00:09:32
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Let's get right into it.
Joining us now is Steve Bannon to react to the Project Veritas news.
James O'Keefe is out at Project Veritas.
Steve, I wanted to lead with you today.
You have been through a variety of different business situations, merger and acquisitions.
You've dealt with CEOs, artists, you've dealt with actors, all of it.
But James O'Keefe is special to our country.
He is important to our movement.
Steve, how should we think about this?
Well, you know, Charlie, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but I got to tell you, I can't, and I've talked to a lot of people overnight and then this morning, given what's put out, I can't figure out what went on here.
Remember, I came out of Goldman after Harvard.
I came out of Goldman Sachs in the defense.
Goldman Sachs at the time were the defenders against hostile takeovers.
So my whole early career in Wall Street was defending Raiders and defending hostile takeovers.
That's what we've had here.
And that's the way you got to look at it.
And I think right now the solution is quite simple.
I think the board has to terminate anybody that either these former consultants they brought in, these former people that ran it, have to terminate them immediately, and maybe other board members.
And they have to return, they have to vote unanimously to bring O'Keeffe back, and then they should resign.
I think they got a clear house over here.
I met O'Keefe, I don't know, 12 years ago when Andrews, I think it was in 2009 or 2010, during the Acorn situation, when I was just Andrews beginning to be his financial advisor about raising capital.
Andrew and James O'Keeffe, to think what he's done to build that organization is stunning.
Charlie, here's what got me.
When they came out with their thing, yesterday, the board, I actually thought, and I called a couple of people, I said, is this a parody?
Are they kidding?
He took like a couple of planes over the last few years.
This guy's raised, I don't know, hundreds of millions of dollars and done built this organization into a weapon.
And at the very moment, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but I can't separate out the power of what he did with Pfizer.
And you add that to Naomi Wolf and the War Room posse doing that, all that analysis on those 50 reports in the book that's like number three or four on Amazon about the Pfizer documents.
Those two were the pincer moves on Pfizer.
The time he was as squat as absolutely incredible.
And to have it happen at the same time and with their rationale, he took a $14,000 flight.
I said, hey, did the flight go down to like the corner store?
Who can get a $14,000 flight?
And then they had some charge, you know, some cars or some charging rides or whatever it is.
There was nothing there.
All these big financial improprieties and the stuff he did for the music, which is look, not my cup of tea, but I know young people like it.
And I've seen it where those things attract young people and open up to the message of what he's trying to do.
So there was nothing there.
That's why I think there's something we don't know.
Do you think, so you're dancing around it, but just to ask it directly, do you think Pfizer, biggest story in Project Veritas history, weeks later, James O'Keefe out at Project Veritas?
You have a sign right behind you, Steve.
No conspiracy, no conspiracies, but no coincidences.
Charlie, it's got to, this is what I'm saying.
There's something there, it just, it boggles the mind that that particularly as long as those hits take to do it, and he's perfected kind of the honeypot or the honey trap to a, you know, from Facebook to the school boards to the schools.
This thing on Pfizer, the power of it on Pfizer, because we got Pfizer to admit, he got Pfizer to admit they're doing gain of function.
People understand the gain of function experimentation or directed evolution is basically the weaponization of biology to be a weapon, right?
It is the most dangerous thing you could do.
We got Pfizer to admit that.
The power of what he pulled off at the exact same moment, he's thrown out for what looks like things that would happen, particularly after they already sent their financials in.
It was all approved by the board that this audited.
And what they're saying is that he raised his voice at a couple of meetings or he took a peanut butter and jelly sandwich from a woman who's, I mean, the stuff was so juvenile as to beggar.
Don't waste my time.
That can't be the reason.
Well, and it can't be the reason.
But by the way, it can't be the reason.
James O'Keefe has produced no less than $100 billion worth of value for the conservative movement, period.
You could run television ads all day long and you would not get close to the impact of James O'Keefe over the last decade.
You name an agency, you name a cesspool of corruption, James O'Keefe has been able to land shots on target.
Pfizer, FDA, CDC, Muslim Brotherhood, Open Border, you name it.
He has been able to land shots on target, Acorn.
And so here's what they're saying, Steve.
And look, Steve, you have a ton of business expertise.
One of the reasons why I wanted to lead with you.
They say, okay, $150,000 in black cars last 18 months.
They failed to say he traveled 400 days over a year and a half.
So when you travel 400 days, okay, that's about $320 a day in a car that you need for security purposes.
That's a business expense.
It's also time is money.
He's out there raising money.
He's out doing these incredible hits.
It's nothing.
It's everything they put forth.
I just want to make sure the audience understands.
I haven't had a chance to go through the details.
It is meaningless.
So what they're putting up can't be the reason.
It cannot be the reason.
And I got to tell you, his lawyers, I think he'd come in and you drop massive lawsuits in these guys.
You sue them personally.
The insurance company, the directors and officers of insurance will never back these guys up.
These guys are all personally liable.
They come in right now and sue these guys and say, I'm coming after you personally as a director.
The insurance company is going to sit there and go, hey, your DNO insurance is not going to work because you were not a fiduciary here, right?
You could not have taken this action.
If anything, it was been coming in and let's have a discussion about maybe how you lead some of these groups and raise your voice sometimes, or maybe you keep your desk too messy.
Or that's the type of juvenile.
This is juvenile.
By the way, Steve, just considering the whispers of the last week and a half, I expected much.
I mean, when they released this yesterday, I was so speechless.
I said, you're trying to tell me there's a singular charter flight in question.
He might have had somebody clean his boat, which is, I mean, really?
It's a $14,000 flight.
There's not a $14,000 private flight you can take in the country.
His expenses were de minimis given the time he has to use to go see donors.
And remember, he's a fundraising machine.
James O'Keefe is known as a guy that fundraises nonstop besides the time of spending on this.
And people don't understand.
This is where I had him on the show a couple of years ago.
The train, first off, just the amount of things you start on this that you got to kill because they don't come to fruition.
The training on this, he's like training undercover agents.
Look at the hills.
Look at the Facebook sleeper cells, the Facebook hit, which is still my favorite because he got the guy to talk about at the end transhumanism.
He said at the end, hey, by the way, Zuckerberg and his wife, their focus on here in politics is only small.
What they're really focused on is living forever.
He has some of the best hits.
And it's not just for the conservative movement, Charlie.
I want to pull the camera back.
It's for the nation.
Yeah, I know that's some of these.
That's correct.
Some of these, some of these, what he's done on Pfizer is extraordinary.
The other thing about Pfizer, these are the companies run high and tight.
Okay.
They are absolutely so tight in the way they run.
For him to get inside there, to do that, and to have those type of revelations is nothing short of extraordinary.
They couldn't have gotten rid of him.
And I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but I can't get my mind off the fact that he has the greatest hits ever that dovetails with Naomi Wolf.
This is a pincer movement to blow Pfizer up in this vaccine.
And at the same time, they throw him out for a couple of car services that he got $300 cars.
By the way, that are all business expenses.
It's not like he was taking the car services, you know, for a scenic wine tasting in Napa Valley.
By the way, I was, you know, I ran into James a lot over the last decade.
I once ran into him in a living room of a donor's home.
I said, James, what's up?
He said, I got a car waiting for me outside.
I got two more donor meetings.
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I got immediate hit.
I'm meeting with the source just to be able to get the last flight back from Newark.
And it was already 3 p.m.
I said, James, you got four more meetings?
He said, yeah.
So just so everyone understands, I saw personally, it's not like James O'Keefe was taking the black card chauffeur service to be able to go on a pub crawl.
He was trying to line up meetings to make sure he didn't have to worry about Ubers.
And by the way, I get a lot of death threats.
James O'Keefe gets way more death threats than I do.
So black chauffeur cars from a security standpoint is necessary.
And this is their response.
No, I do the same thing.
I have security and have to fly private, but you got to do it.
You got to moderate.
But it's not, this is, he's running this organization tight.
It's unbelievable.
And it can't be the reason they put forward.
There's something else.
And I think this board's got to be terminated.
Get rid of him.
I want to talk about that.
He's got to get back in Veritas.
I want to talk about that because our audience right now is lighting up the chat in our emails, Steve, because they're all donors to Veritas.
They don't know what's going on.
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Unconscionable Crossfire Victims00:05:42
People are fired up over this Project Veritas situation.
They say over $60,000 in losses by putting together dance events such as a Project Veritas experience.
Steve, look, the dancing thing was never for me, but wait a second.
James O'Keefe exposes Pfizer, FDA, CDC, Facebook.
He's able to expose the highest levels of corruption.
And his staff seem to really like the dancing thing.
It attracts a lot of people.
Why is the board all of a sudden?
This is not really the story, Steve.
There's something deeper going on here.
James O'Keefe could dance on the table and I wouldn't care because he's a hero for the movement.
He's produced billions of dollars of value.
This is a clown show.
Charlie, I've always said tough guys don't dance, but I changed that with O'Keefe.
O'Keeffe is tough as you're ever going to get.
This guy, he is heroic.
I don't think people understand his thing.
By the way, I'm not a guy that sits there and watches 35 minutes of a guy.
That thing was mesmerizing.
And we actually did a cut.
I agree.
I watched the whole thing last night.
The whole thing.
The entire A-block of the five o'clock show on the war room.
The entire thing was what my staff cut.
And we could have played 20 minutes of it, 25 minutes.
We cut it down to, I think, 14, 12, or 14 for the A block.
It was so powerful.
And to end with that discussion of his father, people have no idea what O'Keefe's gone through.
You know why?
He does the dancing to get accessible, you know, make it more accessible to young people.
O'Keeffe never comes out and talks about himself.
He never talks about the struggles.
People don't understand.
Like on Acorn, when he would head all the media, he never raised a penny off of that.
When he was chained up like a dog, electronically like a dog for a couple of years in his house under house arrest by federal authorities.
O'Keeffe's never, O'Keefe's never been some big sob sister who's gone out and given some, I'm a victim.
O'Keeffe is the epitome of what we want in the MAGA and conservative movement: fighters who will not back down and who put it all on the line.
And it is an absolute disgrace.
And the board has a fiduciary obligation to come forward and show us that they have no involvement whatsoever with Pfizer or anybody from Pfizer.
I don't trust any of those kind of consultants, the guys sitting there, you know, saying he's a bully.
Screw you, dude.
Who are you?
James O'Keeffe is an American hero, a warrior, and a patriot.
And I got to tell you, his lawyers ought to send him a notification today that they're going to sue him personally.
And the insurance companies, what's called the DNO insurance directors and offices.
They will not back him on this.
They will not.
No way.
They say, hey, guys, good luck.
You know, I hope that works out for you.
They're going to have to get their own attorneys.
They're going to burn through millions of dollars.
And quite frankly, the damage they've done to his reputation or try to, because nobody believes it, but the damage they tried to do it, the damage they've done to that organization.
We need Project Veritas on point more than ever right now.
They're on a roll of, you know, does Fox News do this?
Does War Room do this?
Does Turning Point do this?
Does Tucker Carlson do this?
You pick the best of the best.
We don't do this.
You know why?
That part of it?
It's too hard.
And it's risky.
It's too important.
Well, it's risky.
Right now, right now, James O'Keefe is under federal investigation by the Biden regime, the Department of Justice, over this diary thing.
It's a joke.
He had his apartment raided.
And who is it that actually ends up cross-firing James O'Keefe?
Not the DOJ.
It's not the New York Attorney General, Steve.
No, no, no.
The crossfire happens to the people closest to him that are supposed to be board members.
And their big justification is he had black cars for 18 months.
By the way, he's raising 22 million bucks a year.
Okay.
And they say, okay, a charter flight to meet someone to fix his boat under the guise of meeting with a donor.
Let's pretend that's true.
Then you meet with them privately.
James, repay it.
Okay.
By the way, I don't even know if that's true.
This is juvenile, lowball stuff.
Who cares?
And who cares?
He's flying around the country.
By the way, he got chained up like a dog by the FBI for years.
He kicked down his door for chaining him up like a dog.
He never complained about it.
He never whined about it.
Cell phone screen.
He's not a victim.
You got some of these guys on the right.
The first thing that happens, they melt down.
They're crying.
Every show for four weeks is, oh, woe is me.
That's not James.
O'Keefe.
James O'Keefe's on your freaking face.
We need O'Keeffe and we need him back there.
And the Veritas brand is so valuable.
If you're going to think these little scumbags are going to take this from him, O'Keefe, get the lawyers to send some rockets over there today and put these guys on notice.
I'm going to sue you for everything in the world.
And guess what?
Your insurance companies are not going to back it up.
This is going to be personal.
Steve, you said some of the board members are no longer welcome on War Room.
What do you mean by that?
All of them, none of them.
Tiramon, the whole crowd, zero, dead to us.
Never come back.
Ever, ever, ever.
Just ridiculous.
It's unconscionable what went on here.
Unconscionable for our movement and for the nation at large.
James O'Keefe is a national treasure, full stop.
And the country is going to be put in a really difficult position, the entire movement.
And for just an argument, a dispute over this.
And look, I can say this: I spent 10 years building Turning Point USA.
Building something is hard.
I had an amazing team.
Praise God.
Fabulous board.
And when I saw James's video last night, I said, Man, yeah, 300 days a year on the road.
I know what that does to you.
I know what that does to you.
And by the way, James at a whole nother level than I am.
I mean, he's at a whole nother level of risk and exposure, but I'm still in that kind of thing.
I understand the atmospherics there.
And it's so easy to point and say, oh, he's cocky.
Oh, he's this.
Man, I'll tell you right now, we need to mobilize this entire audience and have James O'Keefe's back.
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Steve, you're an expert in hostile takeovers.
Explain what is a hostile takeover and then connect that to what we just saw happen at Project Veritas.
Well, it seems like you had a hostile takeover here by whoever these consultants by the way, there was a Goldman guy involved, right?
He brought in his executive director to run it.
But I think the instigator was this guy that is the boat guy, Hinkley, or whatever his name is.
He looks like the ones that came in.
James Bartimans is some sort of advisor outside consultant.
He went around, stirred everybody up, came up with a plan to do a hostile takeover, and then somehow convinced the board.
This is what I don't get.
If the board of directors believes what they've got right there that they've presented to the public raises to the level of taking one of the most dynamic, determined, productive individuals in all news, right, out or it's, it's, it, it, trust me, it doesn't.
There has to be something else, or either Pfizer or somebody else got to you.
It just can't.
I don't believe in coincidence.
I don't believe that they came and did, you know, what they pulled off.
And then James had an amazing confrontation with the executive himself.
That I don't know, it's got what, 14 million hits or 20 million hits.
Yep.
You don't have that and to have this come at the same time with the Nambi-Pamby things that you put forward that, quite frankly, should have been brought up at your quarterly board meetings or brought up with your auditors or whatever, and all the audits that you had and went forward should have brought those up.
And even then, they're easily easily explained given his schedule and given what he's done and the amount of money he's raised from significant donors, which is no small task.
Remember, raising money for something like James does is not easy.
One of the reasons is that the yield management, you know, the yield management on the number of things you have to start versus the number of things you complete, also the liabilities involved, also the training that's involved, all of it.
It is monumental.
I am quite frankly stunned that a organization, a news organization that small is that productive.
If you look at the expense line of Fox or MSNBC or CNN, right, or the New York Post, remember Bezos, the first thing he did when he showed up, Bezos shut down the Tom Hamburger, still has a very tiny investigative staff at the Washington Post.
Bezos said in his first day, I'm going to take the investigation group down because they take so long to go.
We don't know if they're going to be home runs or not.
And quite frankly, in the world of social media, everybody can pick them up and put them out there and get their own viral nature of it.
This is Bezos has unlimited money.
He shut it down.
James O'Keefe runs probably the most efficient and effective news organization in the world.
And I say that.
Absolutely right.
Yes.
I say that from the Gonzo, hey, and Warwick, we're very gonzo, right?
I got that.
He's actually, because what they do is a thousand times more difficult than what we do.
I come up here and run my mouth, and we have cold opens and great guests, and I got a great team in Denver and Real America's Voice, fantastic.
But, you know, I can kind of know how this can kind of go every day and figure out how to put it together, right?
What O'Keefe is doing is monumental.
And this is my point.
No other new, I think ProPublica is the only one that comes close, and they're not doing the undercover stuff he's doing.
And I think they're hundreds of millions of dollars, right?
They got source.
They got everybody in the world in back of them, right?
He, what he has done, he puts more lead on target per dollar.
And any director doesn't understand that you're in the wrong business.
But this is my point.
I will make an argument.
James O'Keefe is vastly underpaid.
I believe James O'Keefe is underpaid for the value.
He's easily a 10 to 15 million dollar talent that because James, James doesn't care about money.
That's exactly right.
But the accusation is he does.
The board is like, oh, look at him.
He's taking black cars.
And all, I mean, anyone who knows James, he's a movement guy.
Not just that.
The DJ stuff on the music.
Oh, it's just.
Like I said, like I said, I appreciate James's moves, right?
But it's a younger generation.
People like that.
I asked my staff and other guys, other people around here.
They're much younger.
They say yes.
That brings people in and gives it another dimension.
Okay.
And by the way, if it doesn't give it another dimension, you should have mentioned a couple of board meetings ago and said, hey, maybe you shouldn't be the star of Oklahoma for a couple of weeks or something like that.
Those are things that boards talk with.
And guys say, hey, here's the reason I want to do it.
Here's a bring it in.
That's a discussion.
Are you telling me that raises to the level of taking an American icon?
And let's say exactly what he is.
He's an American icon.
He's not a conservative icon.
He's not a right-wing icon.
What he has done and what he did at Pfizer and what he did at Facebook, this is for the American people.
Okay.
And this is going to have a much, this is going to have huge impacts as we get into these congressional investigations.
It's actually changed the direction.
Pfizer, the multi-billion dollar, and these big pharma guys are killers.
Okay.
These are stuff.
They get the best lawyers, the best consultants, the best lobbyists.
They are wrapped tight in this town.
They are afraid of James O'Keefe.
Okay.
They're not afraid of CNN.
They're not afraid of MSNBC.
They're partners with those guys.
They're not afraid of any congressional investigations because they own this city.
They're not afraid of the New York Times or the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal.
They're afraid of James O'Keefe.
And right there, right there, the board ought to be fired immediately.
They ought to sue him.
They ought to sue him personally.
You ought to sue him for millions of dollars.
And not one insurance company in this nation that wrote that director and officer policy will ever stand by these guys.
You ought to turf him out today.
He ought to go on massive offense and not give up the brand and the apparatus and the people that are Project Veritas.
Who does Pfizer fear?
Pfizer doesn't fear Mitch McConnell.
Pfizer doesn't fear congressional investigations.
They'll navigate all that.
No, they fear the guy with the ragtag army that is able to get undercover reporters and all of a sudden expose that Pfizer right now in their non-denial denial is probably still doing gain of function research right now.
And look, there's few people in the movement, Steve, that I think can really sympathize with what James is going through, especially in the last decade, right?
Whether it be the subpoenas, the letters from senators, literally, Sheldon White House, almost every quarter is coming out with a press release why Turning Point USA needs to be shut down, right?
Steve, you go through the exact same thing.
It is tough to be in the foxhole.
It's tough to navigate all of this.
And yet, I have some, just not a lot.
Hold on a hand.
Let me say something.
This is why I'm saying something up here.
And I'm that conspiracy theory guy.
They're trying to take out the younger field commanders.
They're trying to take out you.
They're trying to take out Keith.
They understand that the Trump movement, and I love President Trump.
I'm all in a 24.
But the movement's bigger than President Trump.
The movement's got a momentum of its own.
And one of the things that President Trump has done is brought people into this movement and inspired them in a number of ways.
They are coming after those field commanders right now.
They're coming after the field-grade officers to take them out.
They see a rising generation of, quite frankly, tigers, people that are not going to back down and have a fight.
Okay.
They're going to fight.
They're totally authentic because O'Keefe and you are, you see, you are what you are, right?
You guys don't try to hide it.
You guys are what you are.
And they're focused.
They're a thousand percent.
And this big organization is doing it.
People have to understand.
That's why this is so outrageous.
And that's why we have to fight this one.
We have to say no.
Under no circumstances is this acceptable.
It's not.
It is not acceptable.
And we're not going to accept it.
And Charlie, they're coming for you.
And they're coming for turning point like nobody's business.
And quite frankly, your whole thing in Arizona in the Kerry Lake, just all they did is put a bigger target on your back.
But I know you know this.
We're aware of it.
And we have a great team and we have a great board and we have a great group of supporters.
And our audience right here in War Room, we're no strangers to getting targeted.
We're also not going to live under delusion.
We know when, as soon as you get into the fight and you start moving the dial, they deploy everything.
So, Steve, what is the action step for the audience?
Because you're saying, no, no, no, no.
James, don't go start your own thing.
Don't go off and do, no, no, Veritas is yours.
Fight for what is yours.
First off, if you're a donor, if you ever gave five bucks, or if you're a donor at all, you ought to contact the board today and say, This is unacceptable.
Here's what we need you to do: we need you to resign.
We need you to call James back, fully install him as CEO again with full power, CEO, okay, full power CEO, let the entire staff know it, and then you should resign.
There is no chance that this board can go forward as constituted.
They must bring James O'Keefe back today.
They must empower him as CEO today, and then they must resign.
There's no way they can go forward and take this.
If anybody in the audience is a donor, you ought to contact them right now.
Okay.
If you're not a donor, you just ought to flood the zone over there with messages of how you're outraged and how you would never give a penny to Veritas in the future.
I think the audience here in the Charlie Kirk show, Real America's Voice War Room, has got to power up on this.
So, Steve, let me read you a leaked email that I tweeted late last night from one of the board members.
This is exclusive stuff.
This is from a board member at Project Veritas.
We must take this opportunity to prove that Project Veritas is not a cult of personality, but a force to be reckoned with.
We will grow and thrive and produce and distribute content that uncovers corruption and hypocrisy as we always have many new faces to show off to our growing audience who are curious what we can do.
Let's show them.
Steve, the board says we're done.
We're turning the page.
We're going to use this as an opportunity.
We're going to grow beyond James.
I tell you what, here's what to do: the board, give me, put forward the faces today because the war room will make them infamous.
Okay.
Show if you got stones, step up.
Let's say, I want to see step up.
Let's do that.
That is redonculous.
James O'Keeffe's no cult of personality.
No matter if it's a cult of personality, James O'Keefe would have been out.
That little thing he said that you played the clip.
That's the first time I've ever seen that ever put together.
O'Keeffe's not out.
It was a cult of personality.
O'Keefe would be on every show.
He'd be coming on War Room.
He'd be coming on Charlie Kirk.
He'd be going over at Breitbart.
He'd be a gateway pundit.
He'd be over with Daily Wire and Shapiro.
He'd be with everything he could do, whining and telling about how great he is and how much he suffered.
James O'Keefe has never done that in his life.
So don't give me the cult of personality.
He's never held himself up of that.
He's a tough, he's got his own personality, but that's what you need in this.
And he said it in the talk, you know, he wasn't buddies.
He didn't have time to be buddies.
Kirk didn't have time to be buddies.
I'm not buddies with people that work around here.
They know that.
We're here on a mission.
We have a task and a purpose.
James O'Keefe has a task and a purpose.
And the board are to do the honorable thing.
Well, the honorable thing would be Sepuku.
But okay, the honorable, what they should do is get him back, fully empower him today, and then resign.
That exclusive email that I read from the board that was a private email that's now been leaked just goes to show they're proud of what they have done and they think that they can go bigger than James.
They think those of you that are donors and supporters of James of Project Veritas, you're going to stay there.
And I think that they are way off target here.
Cult of personality.
How about the man who is the inspiration, the training of all of these wins, the person that is currently under investigation by DOJ for doing nothing wrong with the Biden diary?
We forget about that.
The person who had his apartment rated, we're just supposed to say, oh, yeah, it's a cult of personality.
What a joke and a disservice to the movement.
We are all shareholders in Project Veritas.
Let me say this.
We're all shareholders.
In the sense of America First Patriots, we are beneficiaries of the amazing success of this organization.
Thanks to James O'Keefe.
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Steve, last night I spent some time calling people involved and aware, and I just kept on asking over and over again: is there something I'm missing?
Is there something here that was done that I don't understand?
Now, Steve, what this all might be, and this is even worse than this would actually be even a worse explanation, is that people just started to resent James.
In fact, according to James's video, we could play this.
James said there was a lot of finger pointing over who was taking credit over the Pfizer story.
In fact, people were getting kind of upset that James was taking all the, it's a lot of jealousy, Steve.
If that ends up being true and it ends up being just a lot of pent-up envy, I mean, this is one of the more tragic outcomes from petty finger-pointing or contempt.
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Shouldn't the mission be more important than whether or not you're envious of James O'Keefe?
It's ridiculous.
But let's say that's the case on some of the people, then go out and do your own thing.
There's so many examples of people that come up to organizations.
At some point in time, you just sit there and go, Hey, look, I can do it as well as that guy, or I'm not getting enough share of the credit.
Or do whatever that stuff happens in organizations every single day.
Particularly when those organizations are front-facing, right?
And people, and that's fine.
If that's the case, then say, James, I'm glad you were a mentor.
I'm going to spin off and go do this stuff.
And I'd like you to help me out or go do it.
Just do that.
It doesn't mean that you get people in there.
What I didn't like about it was these, the Goldman Sachs guy and this guy, Hinkley, the insidious stir.
This is very much like the Kane Mutiny.
If you ever see the Kane Mutiny with Humphrey Bogart, the famous film from the 19th century, you see where the crew, and I'm not equating him to Bogart, but you see where the XO and other people in there or some of the officers, Fred McMurray, stirred things up.
Okay, stirred things up that could be taken the other way.
Don't be a S-stir.
Just go out and do your own thing.
But what O'Keeffe has done and the difficulty in doing it and holding together a small organization, right?
And by the way, for younger people and people who go do it, you're not going to be there forever.
We understand that that stuff is tough, right?
It's like being in special forces.
You don't stay a SEAL commando all the time, you know, on the SEAL Team 6 and the assassination squad.
Eventually, you go up and do broader things.
People get that.
That's what's going to happen.
There's nothing here, nothing they brought forward that even raises the level, quite frankly, even to a serious board discussion.
That's right.
Even a serious board discussion, unless there's more.
If it's more, dump it and let's see it.
But right now, I don't even see where O'Keefe has a serious board discussion.
And here's the fact: you never had a serious board discussion.
All this stuff was in your financials.
You knew what he was doing with the musicals and all this stuff.
You never had it one time.
The reason is it didn't even rise to that.
And now you tell me because he bought a little few disc, he bought some disc jockey equipment or he had a dance-a-thon or whatever.
Does this raise to the level that James O'Keeffe, who is Project Veritas, is now removed in a very public way that makes all of us look bad because it looks bad because you look petty?
Well, it's even worse than that, Steve, because I've been tracking the timeline here, and you understand this.
They added board members almost overnight.
So they do this so quickly.
They added extra board members without James's consent.
They kicked him off the board without him even knowing.
They removed him as CEO as a board measure.
Steve, I mean, you know the intricacies of a hostile takeover, but this seemed planned and coordinated.
This was not just some sort of, it just didn't happen organically.
And it shows you also that James is focused on the work.
He's not focused on the administration.
James is what you call in the military.
He's a guy that leads from the front tank, right?
It's like the Wehrmacht used to do in World War II.
The top guys are at the front.
They're leading from the front.
James O'Keefe is a leader.
He's a leader by example, okay?
And organizations like that, they're like special forces.
The guy's not there.
It's like I have everybody that comes to work for me watch 12 o'clock high with Gregory Peck about the precision daylight bombing in the early days of the war.
Remember, he goes in there and says, hey, the problem, you guys are one and you're all dead.
Assume you're all dead because nobody's going home.
Our mission, our task and purpose is to put bombs over the River Valley.
And that's what we're going to do.
And nothing else matters.
That's James.
James O'Keefe is Gregory Peck in 12 O'Clock High.
His task and purpose is to do these investigations and do them right and bring down corruption, right?
He's not there to be your best friend.
He's not there to hold your hand and let you crown his shoulder.
That's what a leader does.
He leads by example.
And if they think that's a cult of personality, they got to get out in the real world.
And I got to tell you, I am, it's nothing but revulsion of what they brought up and try to smear James O'Keefe.
And the lawyers are to get on point.
James O'Keefe ought to get his hands back on Veritas this afternoon or burn those directors down to the ground.
You wanted to retake the Ardennes.
You have General Patton.
Okay, he slaps somebody.
He wins wars.
And James O'Keefe is our Patton.
And they're going after him for deep state politics or revenge.
But James O'Keefe has a philosophy of victory, victory, victory.
God bless him.
We must have his back.
Steve, that was a great hour.
Thank you for your wisdom on that.
See you soon.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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