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Nov. 19, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Never Give Up, Never Surrender with Catherine Engelbrecht
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Charlie Kirk Show Intro 00:01:51
Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, we dissect where are we now that the midterm kind of dust is settling?
What does it mean for the country?
And is it time to give up?
Is it time to despair?
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I know a lot of people out there are scratching their head and they say, what happened?
So many people were predicting this overwhelming red wave.
And in some ways, it did manifest as far as the congressional popular vote.
Florida is redder than ever before.
Ron Johnson won.
JD Vance won.
Ana Paulina won.
Arizona actually has more conservative Republicans going to the House of Representatives than Democrats.
The Midterm Red Wave 00:07:52
First time in a couple years, that is the case.
More conservative legislature in Arizona, California, and New York.
But the question is, what exactly happened?
And the answer is that while we were surging in the polls, it was an insurmountable hill for many of us to overcome because while Democrats, while we were worrying about messaging and polling and how we're trending and are we getting hot for election day, Democrats were scooping up and capturing ballots.
The game has changed and it has changed permanently.
Now, many of you say, Charlie, we shouldn't play the game.
And saying that we shouldn't get engaged, we shouldn't get involved.
We got to get rid of mail-in ballots.
We have to have one-day voting, get rid of machines.
I completely agree with all of that.
I hope we can get that done.
But in states now where there's going to be mixed control, states like Nevada, states like California, you're going to have to play the game.
Now, it's very interesting about how the left, they get drop boxes at every one of their convenient locations, college campuses, urban areas.
Why don't we get drop boxes then at construction sites, churches, gun shops?
You see, if you look at the national popular vote, the national popular vote of where did Americans vote when it came to giving the U.S. House of Representatives?
Republicans received 53.6 million votes.
Democrats received 49.7 million votes.
4.4 million Americans voted for Republicans to go control the House of Representatives more than Democrats.
4.4 million.
Now, we do not have a national popular vote, nor should we.
Depends on maps.
It depends on how you allocate power and authority.
Democrats have now used the gerrymandering process, and Republicans used to dominate in this, but now Democrats are in it completely and wholeheartedly.
And now they know that from a popular vote standpoint, they were going to get eliminated and obliterated.
So they raised records amounts of money.
And I will say this: Democrats raised so much more money than Republicans this cycle.
Why?
Well, they do represent young professionals.
They represent tech CEOs.
They represent Silicon Valley oligarchs.
It's easier for them to play money.
Easier for them to raise money and deploy money, I should say.
And conservative Republicans struggled in that regard.
Also, of course, Democrats represent crypto scam artists.
You have to wonder: would the Democrat flow of money have been so generous if FTX and Sam Bankman Freed, the con man, wouldn't have been dishing out money anywhere between $27 to $40 million deployed from that entire scam operation of FTX.
And so as we look at the midterms, as we look at the world that we are now entering post-midterms, we're able to take a step back and say, you know what?
It's a good thing we control the House of Representatives.
It's a good thing we're retiring Nancy Pelosi, and we're thankful for that.
It's a good thing that Florida is now this deep red state.
It's a good thing that Robert Francis O'Rourke will not be the governor of Texas or Stacey Abrams will not be the governor of Georgia.
But I can't help feel a little slighted and upset on many different reasons because we now have to have a collective agreement.
The biggest takeaway of the 2022 realignment is we are no longer participants in elections.
These are not elections.
This is no longer about voters.
This is about ballots.
I will fully acknowledge and admit I thought that we were going to have a restoration of elections and voters post-COVID.
I thought that we were going to have some sort of realignment where people were going to be back into the old voting behaviors, and that is completely wrong.
And then by broadcasting that we were going to vote on game day, Maricopa County planned the ambush, as we call it, the ambush of anywhere between, I think new estimates show one in four machines were malfunctioning on Election Day in Maricopa County, lines of an hour and two hours.
And you could just imagine Democrat operatives screaming with joy and glee that our voters were unable to cast ballots on Election Day because they say we already banked all of our votes.
We know the votes that we are going to get.
It is a change in philosophy.
It is a change in how we do elections all together.
You see, this has been a learning process for a lot of us, and definitely myself included.
I wanted to believe elections were the same way when I first started the volunteer in the suburbs of Chicago.
Knocking on doors, trying to persuade people what candidate is more appealing, the people that are able to go into the debate and have dialogue.
And the takeaway from 2022 is that stuff might matter, might matter a little bit, but John Fetterman is about to be a U.S. senator.
Katie Hobbs is leading in the vote count.
And I hope some of these lawsuits actually start to get filed soon for the voters' suppression of what's happening in Arizona.
And that fight is far from over.
There needs to be a hand recount, and hopefully a judge will step up with some courage.
But Katie Hobbs is currently leading in the vote count.
It's because the Mark Elias of the world, the schemers, the Alinskyites, they recognize and realize that we Republicans, and I will say again, me, myself, I don't even have to blame anybody else, but I'll blame myself, are still living in a 2010 world where ideas really matter.
Now, they mattered a little bit.
It got us the House of Representatives back despite all of this game, the scheming.
We still won back the House narrowly and barely.
And you want to know why we barely won back the House?
Because we're playing a game that does not exist anymore.
We're playing a game where we thought that late breaking independents showing up to go vote on Election Day could bring us back into chambers of power.
And the Democrats are chuckling and you say, okay, while you guys attack mail-in ballots, by the way, we should be skeptical of mail-in ballots, but there's other ways to vote early.
We're just going to keep on banking our votes.
We're going to go do vote gathering for fraternities and sororities at Arizona State University, even though it's questionable if they're all living in the same house together.
Boxes of ballots coming at Arizona State University of people from sororities that are obviously very pro-abortion.
Drop boxes at convenient Democrat areas.
And then we broadcast our big play, and there's toner issues on the printer.
In Anthem, in Wickenburg, in Scottsdale, our hottest precincts, hot as a pistol for Republican areas.
Mass widespread malfunctions.
We focus on retail politics.
Democrats focus on wholesale ballot collection.
And if there is any takeaway from this election, it's less about messaging.
Election Day Strategy Shifts 00:05:46
Yes, Dobbs played a role in independence.
We could talk endlessly about that.
But it is the game itself that has been fundamentally changed forever.
And it's not going back.
You could want it to go back.
I want it to go back.
When they screaming about democracy, they mean a game of their creation to go chase pieces of paper and put them in a box.
The game was changed in 2020, but many of us did not want to admit that.
And here we are.
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Somebody says, Charlie, there's nothing we could do to stop their cheating.
We might as well give up.
I know that I'm done working, advocating.
These people always steal it from us.
Thanks so much.
I'm done.
I'm getting a lot of emails like that.
People that are just saying, I'm completely done.
That is exactly what the opposition wants you to do.
The strategy is to try to invoke your surrender.
If they are able to get you to be able to surrender, they win.
And look, it's very important and it's very suspicious about how all the toner issues in Republican areas were in Republican precincts in Maricopa County.
It feels as if it was a sabotage.
And the Democrats, they were chuckling the entire time because they said, well, you guys told us how you were going to vote.
You told us that you guys were all going to create a bottleneck, a surge, and overwhelm the system.
And they laughed.
They said, okay, well, then I guess the toner issues are going to be wrong.
Tyler Boyer tweeted, he says, I'm increasingly nervous about having long lines at the polls and machinery failing.
We tweeted a week and a half before the election that we're very worried about Maricopa County's ability to facilitate at 223 voting centers, the election day surge that is going to happen.
And they told us everything will be just fine by intentional sabotage.
Now, there's still so much good news that we can share throughout all of this.
Pelosi being retired, Republicans taking back the House, flipping the Nevada governor's race.
Now, we have to game this out because if we are to surrender and engage in their psychological warfare, if we are to give up completely and totally, then they get all of their victories instantaneously.
This here is to try to demoralize you.
And I can understand it, by the way.
I understand.
I mean, I got another email right here.
This person says, you know, Charlie, I used to be really involved.
I'm done.
I'm going to go move to rural Arizona and only watch the news every once in a while.
I'm completely demoralized.
These people have broken me.
I'm giving up.
Okay.
People are, I understand that.
We're getting tons of emails of what looks like to be the biggest white flag surrender that I've seen in quite some time.
I know personally, we're just getting started to lean into this fight.
And what does that look like?
In many different ways, it looks like making sure first and foremost in Arizona that Abe Hamadai becomes Attorney General of Arizona.
Abe Hamaday is down 236 votes with still thousands of votes to be counted in Maricopa County, down 236 votes.
This thing is going down to the razor wire, the razor wire.
What else can we do?
We can support good candidates for 24.
We could pressure this Republican Congress to put points on the board.
We can stay involved in local issues and local government.
You could support your local Turning Point USA chapters, help start a high school chapter for Turning Point USA at your local high school.
You can get engaged in the homeschool movement.
There's so many things to do that we need to do right now.
And it's going to take effort.
It's going to take more work to fight the headwinds.
But if you're willing to give up, then you're willing to tell me that Rush Limbaugh was wrong.
Play cut 80, please.
Stay Involved Locally 00:02:49
We are not sunk yet.
We will never surrender.
We will never give up.
Never, never, never.
It's not who we are.
It's not what we do.
We never give up.
We never give up.
That's who we are.
We look at what went right.
We look at what went wrong.
We should be enraged by the grand larceny that happened in Arizona.
Demand a new election.
Understand realistically that a judge is going to be unlikely to do that, but let's do the best legal challenge we possibly can.
And look at what's possible.
Look at Florida.
Sometimes it's going to take a little bit of a turn in one way to have to get into a positive direction.
The people are with us.
That is what the national congressional vote shows us.
The people are with us.
The problem is, though, is, I mean, it's the proverbial: we're playing checkers and they're playing chess.
We're playing flag football and they're playing full contact football.
Things can improve, but it's going to take a citizen movement for quite some time.
And look, I see it in real, I see it one after the other of people saying, I'm done, I'm giving up.
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The people are with us.
Printer Malfunction Claims 00:15:59
We have won the national congressional popular vote by nearly 4.4 million votes.
The people are with us.
The maps were all messed up in certain states.
They targeted certain races, but the people are with us.
That's better than any poll.
That is a 4 million person advantage that wanted to see some form of change in Washington, D.C.
And look, some people say, well, Charlie, there were some uncontested Republican races that really helped Republicans, but there were some uncontested Democrat races as well, especially in urban areas like Seattle and San Francisco.
So it's basically a wash in Massachusetts and California.
And so when you win the congressional popular vote by 4.4 million votes, you should take a step back and you say, okay, certain races did not go the way we wanted them to go.
Holy moly, is that true?
And absent a total revote in Arizona, we may never know the impact of that voter suppression operation of the toner issues that happened.
But do not despair.
It's not as if the people sent a message where they want everywhere they want more Democrats running everything they're doing all the time.
Heck, if you look in Arizona, I talked to somebody yesterday who voted for Katie Hobbs, and they told me the reason they voted for Katie Hobbs is because she was going to secure the southern border.
This is a conversation I had yesterday.
They said Katie Hobbs is going to secure the southern border.
I said, What on earth are you talking about?
You know what they said?
They said, Well, I only saw negative ads about Kerry Lake, and I saw Katie Hobbs on the border.
There's a lot of people that think that way.
And we're going to fix that.
We're going to fix it.
We're also going to understand the game is this mass ballot collection operation.
There's so much good news to take away.
The people are with us.
Now, the system is not with us.
The machinery is all messed up.
Okay, we're going to figure it out.
We're going to lean in.
Joining us now is Katherine Engelbrecht from the great True the Vote.
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Catherine, welcome back to the program.
Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me.
Catherine, your organization, True the Vote, has done some phenomenal and pioneer work explaining mule operations.
Do you believe that these mule operations were still up and running in these midterm elections to help Democrats?
Well, I mean, I think they were, but I also think that our impact of exposing it early into 2021 curtailed it mightily.
Certain states got rid of their drop boxes altogether.
We had groups that we saw citizens assembling to watch the drop boxes.
So, you know, we had an impact for sure.
And, you know, we still have to get rid of the drop boxes, but we're much better off than we were in 2020.
Yeah.
So in states where you can't get rid of drop boxes with state legislative power, are there legal remedies to be able to get rid of them?
You know, I don't know.
I mean, it depends state by state.
I think the biggest thing that we can continue to do is educate people about the fact that these drop boxes are, unless you have a plan for either a citizens' watch group or you're live streaming cameras, they're not being watched.
They're not being monitored and they are insecure.
So people, I think, you know, it's in the American sort of spirit to trust, right?
Well, I think certainly after 2020, we should have antenna up on this blind trust issue.
And Dropbox is one of it, was the weakest link in the chain.
So walk us through your diagnosis of what happened in Arizona.
Well, I think, you know, coming into this discussion, I heard you talking about the air quotes toner issue.
You know, look, the fraud has been institutionalized in ways that are layers and layers and layers deep.
And the fact that you just take that one issue of the toner or the failure of the printers, printers that had been worked used in the primary with no problems.
A setting change must have occurred.
Why did that happen?
What changed from when the machinery was tested the night before the polls opened until election day?
And that remains to be seen, but it will be seen.
You know, everything leaves digital fingerprints.
So that will be exposed.
But it's one of the many things.
There were huge breaks in chain of custody.
There were all manner of polling places running out of paper and the press towards what is it in Arizona, a 50-day election period?
I mean, there's just so much season now.
It's all right.
We have a longer election season than Ramadan.
So it's, you know, I mean, look, we have Arizona's not over.
And There are legal questions and remedies, we believe, still to be explored.
Um, successful, successfully, I believe.
But make no mistake, you know, there will there will not be a, I don't believe, a dip in the press to change our election process between now and 2024.
There are all indications that leftist intentions are to continue to morph this process into something that is less and less and less reliable and transparent.
And that is why it's critical that we not take our eye off the ball.
They're pushing for 2024.
Arizona's not over, 2022 isn't over, but we cannot take our eye off the ball.
2024, I believe, is going to be the show.
And they're making the moves now.
Yeah, so let's talk about part of this.
So, according to Rasmussen, a very reputable mainstream polling firm, 48% of Maricopa election centers had printer or tabulation malfunctions on Election Day, not the previously estimated 20%.
And no such widespread issues were reported during the early voting period that preceded Election Day and used the very same equipment.
So basically, this equipment was being used for in-person early voting, and there was not a single issue.
And then on Election Day, it feels like an ambush, it feels like a sabotage, but let's pretend it was just gross incompetence, which I find hard to believe.
48%, Catherine, you're involved in a lot of the language of voter rights issues and legal complaints.
Have you, I mean, walk us through what a potential remedy would be like for this after commenting on that.
Well, it's.
It gets to the heart of an equal protections question, because what happened to voters in Maricopa County who came and tried to cast their ballot in those environments where the printers were not working, were told you know, they either had to wait in line for hours and then tried, you know, 12 different ways to try to get their ballot to be taken or to put it into to a door number three um questionable, you know, black box um,
but they were also turned away.
They were told to go to other polling places, they were told to vote provisionally and in those instances uh, their vote and the and the lack of clarity around whether or not that ballot counted, uh impacts not only what happened in Maricopa, but impacts other counties as well, and so, and so I think that that there's, there's a lot yet to be uh learned about what really happened in Maricopa,
but it it has to be examined.
We can't just, you know we can't, we can't just check the box and say well, it didn't.
You know that was unfortunate, that 48 of the equipment didn't work.
It's, it's not acceptable.
Yeah, and so is that?
What is the remedy then, Catherine?
I mean we should, we call for a revote?
I certainly think that's the very basis of this.
I mean, we could only speculate what the impact of this would be.
This is not a legitimate election in the sense of 48 of voter tabulation.
Equipment just goes down.
Well, I mean, that's extraordinary, that's right, that's that's, that's right, and and it impact, you know, impacts every voter right you could have.
You could have wanted to vote for, for Kerry Lake or Katie Hobbs if the printer wasn't working.
You know you're being disenfranchised yeah, so this is, this is a matter of equal protections broadly, and I think that you know it's very, very important to to thoroughly examine state law to understand what the remedies are that Arizona affords uh, and how and how best to um, To seek that justice that ensures that every legal vote is counted and that voters have an opportunity to be heard.
So we're examining that right now.
I know that Kerry Lake's team is looking at it.
And, you know, I'll tell you this.
True the vote, historically, year upon year, a cycle upon cycle, we have an election integrity hotline that people call in and we have live operators that are taking sworn statements, and then we have people that can come to our website and post on our report.
We, in the state of Arizona, I think we're now up to about 2,000 reports of voters who tell harrowing stories of what their experience was.
Those stories need to be heard.
There's a lot to be learned, and we must learn it.
We can't just gloss over it.
These are too important to, you know, to just try to kick to the curb or sweep away.
So we need to explore it and it's going to be looked at.
From what I understand, the way the law is written is that a voter should be able to have the right to vote in the method of their choosing.
Is that correct?
Meaning that the county cannot tell you to vote a certain way if you want to vote a certain way.
Is that right?
I think broadly that's right.
I can't quote chapter and verse from Arizona law on that front, but certainly that's the spirit of an election is that you should be afforded the opportunity, whatever methods your state makes available, you should have the right to choose.
I want to play cut 391, just talking about how the technician from Maricopa County came in.
48% of the tabulating machines, 48% failed on election day, and they were working perfectly the days before.
Play cut 391.
I was a poll observer on November 8th at the El Dorado Park Community Center in Scottsdale from 6 a.m. to 1 p.m.
Tabulator voter suppression issues started shortly after a county technician arrived to check our equipment.
Between noon and 12:30, approximately 20% of the ballots were failing.
Between 12:30 and 1 o'clock, four of every seven ballots were failing.
I'll never forget the look on these affected voters' faces.
They were in disbelief that our system of voting was failing them in a mass en masse.
Catherine, about 45 seconds, your reaction.
It's heartbreaking.
You know, we've got, as a country, we must take our elections more seriously.
They are the defining characteristic of a constitutional republic, and we can't move past it.
We must get to the bottom of what happened in Arizona.
It's important for Arizona.
It's important for the country.
And True the Vote's committed to staying this course.
One of our listeners said, Charlie, were the machines down only in heavy conservative areas?
Disproportionately, yes.
For every machine that went down, there was like a five to one ratio.
They were in Scottsdale, they were in Mesa, they were in Anthem, they were in Wickenburg, it was in Surprise, it was the suburbs and the excerpts.
For whatever reason, the machines worked fine mostly in downtown Phoenix.
It's bizarre.
Someone says, Charlie, why are we giving up?
We're not the weak party.
Stop crying like the Democrats.
You know, that's an interesting point.
I would say that about half of the emails of people that have emailed us, got a couple thousand emails today are people that want to quit.
And that's fine.
Maybe you just need a break and you blow up some steam.
But when Democrats get something they don't like, they raise more money than ever before and they organize.
We got to take a page out of them.
Remember, Donald Trump became president in 2016, sworn in in 17, and they created this mass oppositional movement, mass oppositional movement.
So where do we stand in Arizona?
Abe Hamade is currently down 236 votes in the Arizona Secretary of State's race.
Kerry Lake is down 16,780 votes.
And you have to wonder, 48%, 48% of voting centers go down on election day.
That's nearly half of all voting centers completely and totally malfunctioned, creating lines and queues.
And it derailed so much of what we thought was going to happen in Arizona.
We may never know the impact.
It is pure speculation.
For Abe, it's not speculation, by the way.
236 votes.
That is not speculation.
That is, you could say with certainty and with clarity, the result would be different if it wasn't for that mass voter suppression operation.
But you really have to think.
You say, okay, the machines are working perfectly the days before, and then they stop working at 6 a.m. the day of at 48%.
Now, isn't that interesting?
Why?
So if it was, let's think about this logically.
If it really was a toner issue, as they say, and by the way, people are asking us freedom at charliekirk.com, what do you mean by a toner issue?
What they're alleging, and I just don't believe them, is that because in Arizona you have to print the ballots on site, that they had the wrong printer settings, so it wasn't feeding into the machines correctly.
Okay, then why didn't that happen at all the voting sites?
Why only the heavy Republican ones?
And why did they change it?
Who approved that change?
And why is it that it was working in absolute perfection the days prior in the early voting period and day of you have this bedlam catastrophe?
Why is that?
Because again, if you were trying, we got to think like the leftists.
And by the way, why didn't this happen during the primaries?
Primaries, it didn't happen.
The testing day before went fine.
According to all reports, they said it worked fine perfectly.
Was there some technician that went in and changed some settings?
That's the only logical explanation, by the way.
The only logical explanation is if it worked in early voting fine and it worked in testing fine, then something changed.
For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
An object at rest will stay at rest until it is acted upon by another force.
Now, it might not have been Stephen Richer or Bill Gates.
It could have been just some rogue operators because here we are broadcasting, broadcasting, broadcasting of how we're going to vote.
And it only, by the way, this very well could have just been, instead of 2,000 mules, it could have been 20 technicians.
It could have been two technicians, by the way, that just kind of gallivanned around the valley.
So if it was working the day prior, then something had to change it.
Time for Congressional Investigation 00:01:23
And the question is: what changed it?
Who changed it?
And then they say on election day, well, everything is just perfectly fine.
We're working beautifully and everything is just great.
But was it?
Was it working just great?
You know, I'm going to propose something.
For the new Republican House of Representatives, I think that the new Republican House of Representatives should hold a hearing or two with some subpoenas for the Maricopa County Recorder's Office.
It's time for Congress to investigate this.
If the Department of Justice won't do this, why not have the new Republican Congress do it?
Let's have the great Marjorie Taylor Greene, who looks like she's going to be on the oversight committee.
Let's let her ask a couple questions of Stephen Richer and Bill Gates.
I'm just asking, I'm wondering, why did this change?
Who were the technicians?
Why is it that 48% of the Republican-leaning precincts had an issue and they weren't there the days prior that resulted in two to three-hour lines and mass voter suppression?
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening.
God bless.
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