Who Should Lead MAGA? With Pedro Gonzalez and Rep. Kevin Kiley
Seven years ago, Donald Trump birthed the MAGA movement with his legendary presidential campaign. But is Trump still the best leader for the movement in 2024? Pedro Gonzalez of Chronicles magazine joins to discuss that question and lays out why he still think President Trump is uniquely positioned to take the America First movement to the next phase, plus the wider question of who should lead the Republican Party post-2022. Plus, newly-elected Congressman Kevin Kiley explains how he was able to win a House seat despite running in California, the land of limitless ballot harvesting.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Avoiding GOP Infighting00:15:34
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People are split on whether or not to give up.
I could tell you very clearly that's not going to happen here.
We haven't even started to fight on this program.
We are just getting warmed up with the movement that we want to see manifest and take power here in America.
To help us make sense of all this as one of the smartest people in the country, Pedro Gonzalez joins us now.
Pedro, welcome back to the program.
Charlie, thank you.
Pedro, let's just start with the bigger picture.
People are kind of scratching their head over the midterm election results.
How should we think about what happened a week and a half ago?
Well, you shouldn't be all doom and gloom about it.
I'm actually glad that this happened because it calls into the question the continuation of existing GOP leadership.
And honestly, I think that is the best thing that could possibly happen.
If Republicans would have emerged from the midterm elections with an electoral windfall, could you say that they earned it?
I keep asking this question.
What was the Republican promise to America?
What was its vision?
What were they telling us they were going to do?
I can't think of anything.
I can't think of a grand proposal that the Republican Party made to America.
Apart from, of course, Kevin McCarthy saying that he was going to go after Social Security and Medicare.
I don't really know what Mitch McConnell's plan was.
We do know that before midterm.
More money for Ukraine.
Right.
Right.
No, he literally said the most important thing in the world right now is the war in Ukraine.
So could you really say, oh man, shoot, Republicans, they really tried.
They didn't try.
It seems like controlled demolition.
And so again, I think we shouldn't be bummed about this.
Like you said, we haven't even begun to fight.
And right now, I think actually the most important thing, because people are asking, okay, what should the agenda be?
The agenda should be making sure that people like Kevin McCarthy and Ronnie McDaniel, who are currently facing challenges, McCarthy more so internally, actually face consequences for what they've done.
That should be the number one priority right now.
So it's leadership fights.
McConnell looks like he's going to hold on.
Where do you think that's going to end up?
Because I know the grassroots is very upset and they say, it seems like we go through this every cycle.
We're told one thing and it's underwhelming.
So where does that stand right now?
Yeah.
McConnell looks, of all the people that deserve to be held accountable, McConnell, unfortunately, looks like he's going to survive.
And you can already kind of see that he is doing things almost as if to remind people that it was a mistake to even challenge him because McConnell did face a historic challenge.
Rick Scott was the first person in something like 15 years that's actually mounted like a challenge to McConnell.
But again, it seems like he lost.
And now McConnell was talking about doing things that are bipartisan with Biden.
It's kind of like he's thumbing his nose at the people that try to take him out.
Sort of like, oh, you try to get rid of me.
Well, now we're going to do bipartisan stuff with the Democratic Party, which is obviously evil and insane.
But McCarthy is more vulnerable.
Although the media has been suggesting that McCarthy is totally unopposed, that's not really the case.
McCarthy is actually facing an internal challenge.
He is really vulnerable and he knows it.
So he's trying to win people over.
I don't think we should allow him to.
I don't think we should compromise with McCarthy.
You cannot look at what McCarthy did in the lead up to midterm elections, undermining guys like Joe Kent in Washington and Anthony Sabatini in Florida, basically saying after we win, we're just going to continue doing the same dumb stuff that we've been doing.
In other words, he doesn't care about his voters.
He just thinks that they're dumb, wants to take their votes and their money.
I don't think we should compromise with him.
We should not save his job for him.
Ronna McDaniel, same thing.
What has she done for us?
What was Ronna McDaniel's big thing ahead of the midterm elections?
The RNC Pride Coalition, which she backpedaled on because she got blasted for rightly so, because it was ridiculous, right?
So again, I think the main thing right now should be holding the people that we can't hold accountable.
Unfortunately, Tom Emmer won his bid for WIP.
That was a huge mistake.
That was a big loss.
Emmer is not someone who's not.
Jim Banks is so much better.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, yeah.
But a lot of this is incumbent on us, Charlie.
It's incumbent on the base.
We can't fall asleep at the wheel.
We can't just go on autopilot.
Like this, ultimately, we are the ones who are in a position to do something about it.
We have to hold ourselves accountable.
So what does then a legislative agenda look like then, Pedro, at this point?
I mean, if these leadership challenges are unsuccessful, then what does this look like?
Just pure defense?
Should we focus more on the states?
What is the path forward in that regard?
Yeah, I think a lot of the activity, a lot of the most interesting activities actually happening in the states.
When you look at Florida, there's always interesting stuff going on there, whether it's the education bills that have been passed recently or the fact that the Florida government, I mean, this was totally missed.
But in the lead up to the midterm elections, the government of Florida responded to the Biden administration saying that we're going to send civil rights, basically civil rights people from the DOJ to make sure that your elections are not suppressing minorities.
And the Florida State Department sent a letter back to the DOJ saying no one from the federal government is inside, allowed inside of places where ballots are counted.
Kind of suggesting that if Biden tries to send federal election monitors into Florida and they try to get access to these sensitive areas, we're going to detain them.
I mean, that was the implication here, right?
And so I think the takeaway from that is states have a tremendous amount of power to safeguard, because we're all talking about, you know, ballot harvesting.
We're all talking about how do we do better next time.
A lot of this stuff happens in the states.
We don't have to wait for Congress.
Republican states have the power to do stuff like this now.
I mean, in Texas, I think Governor Abbott has a long way to go.
And a lot of what he does, unfortunately, is lip service and virtue signaling.
But you're seeing that a governor can potentially handle things like immigration on their own without help from the federal government.
Imagine if there was a coalition of Republican governors that decided to actually get serious and do something about immigration.
What if Republican governors decided to work together and deport people in their states?
All this stuff is possible.
And we don't necessarily need to wait for Congress, but I think the most important thing Congress could do, like ideally, would be to have another church committee to hold the intelligence community accountable for its abuses and meddling in our elections.
And despite that, theyorkis doesn't just deny it.
He flagrantly denies it.
So, Pedro, yesterday, as if they really don't care about their voters, of course, they did this after the election, right?
Because they know that actually voters would hate this.
11 Republicans voted for this gay marriage bill.
I mean, I want to read the list here because it's important for our listeners to know this.
And then, Pedro, can you walk our audience through actually what is in this bill?
Blunt from Missouri, Burr from North Carolina, Shelley Moore Capito from West Virginia, Susan Collins from Maine, Cynthia Lummis from Wyoming, Rob Portman from Ohio, Mitt Romney from Utah, Dan Sullivan from Alaska, Tom Tillis from North Carolina, Joni Ernst from Iowa, Senator Young from Indiana, and Murkowski from Alaska.
What is in this bill?
Well, the long and short of it is that it would codify same-sex marriage, but effectively destroy marriage as it is properly understood.
A union between a man and a woman.
Marriage would ultimately be whatever the states define it as, whether it's between a man and a man or a man and his horse.
I mean, this is the funny thing, right?
Is the religious right was always made fun of for basically pointing to the slippery slope and saying we're about to go sliding all the way down to the bottom of that thing.
But I mean, it's hard to argue that the slippery slope is a logical fallacy.
I mean, it's all around us, right?
We're on the precipice of the normalization of minor attracted people as a protected category.
So, I mean, the implications of this are really, really bad.
Again, if it passes, I'm not convinced that we can't ultimately do something about it in the future.
But if you look at the Republicans that are supporting it, oh, and I should add that the olive branch to the base is that we won't infringe upon your religious liberty, which is a complete joke.
It's kind of like they're creating like a little corral for people who actually are Christian and have traditional beliefs and kind of saying like, you're going to be able to play in your little space over there.
No one's going to bother you.
It's like, thank you.
That's very kind.
That worked really great with the Civil Rights Act.
Yeah, they always stay in their corner.
They never weaponize anything against you.
Pedro, as a tangent here, we're getting a lot of emails of people saying they're going to give up and they're never going to be involved or engaged again.
Can you speak to that?
Can you speak to how the enemy actually is hoping for our surrender?
In fact, the only ingredient that they're missing in their takeover of the country is us giving up.
Yeah.
No, I think that's right.
And I guess what I should say is really, if you feel like you have a stake in society, especially if you have kids, you just can't.
It's not a matter of want, right?
Like there are days when I don't want to get out of bed.
There are days when I don't want to write anything.
There are days when I want to stop trying.
But it doesn't matter what I want to do because, like I said, in particular, if you have kids, it's not a choice.
I think too often we think in terms of desires instead of duties.
That's right.
And you have a duty to continue trying.
And I'm going to continue trying because I literally don't see an alternative.
I mean, you can retreat to a cabin in the woods and that's fine.
I actually kind of respect people who will log off, stop participating in the discourse, and just, you know, go off-grid.
I respect that.
What I actually frankly dislike deeply is when people say there's no point in trying, but then continue to participate in the discussion to kind of discourage other people.
Yeah, it's this evangelistic nihilism.
It's very frustrating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, so I mean, that's my view is ultimately it's not about desire.
It's about duty.
And I feel like I have a duty to not give up.
And frankly, so should you.
And there's not enough talk about duty.
This nation was built by duty and actually not caring as much about your own pleasures or licentiousness or your own desires, but what is good for your children and good for other people?
That's actually a Christian way of viewing the world.
So, Pedro, then let's look at a little bit gaming this out.
You were at Donald Trump's 2024 announcement speech.
I was a little surprised to hear you were there because I know you have at times nuanced takes on Trump.
I don't mean that negatively, but you know, you're in both, you know, you see things fairly, I think.
What was your take on that?
Where do you think his place is now in the movement?
It's interesting.
His obviously, what struck a lot of people was the tone.
His critics were calling it low energy, but I think it was Trump's attempt to sound disciplined and presidential because, after all, he is gearing up for another run at the White House to be president.
So, it makes sense that he wouldn't just kind of go off the cuff and launch barbs left and right at potential rivals and things like that.
He seemed to be kind of forward-facing, but I guess the concern that I heard from people, and I heard this in a speech, was kind of did we actually get all the things that we wanted to do?
Did we actually get all those things done?
Like in his speech, he said he built the wall.
The wall is not built, you know.
And so, basically, I guess the issue is, is has Trump learned from the mistakes of the past?
And also, in terms of, above all, personnel, right?
Basically, the people that were in charge of getting things done, like building the wall, weren't very confident last time around.
And I think the setting aside all of the questions about whether or not he can actually become the nominee or whatever, because he has all these former allies who are now turning against him, setting all that stuff aside, we're assuming that he ends up back in the White House or whatever.
Have we learned from the mistakes in the past?
Because I think the challenges that he would face this time would make the challenges he faced last time seem like a picnic.
And I think that's really the question: Is Donald Trump really ready for not just doing it again, but facing far worse?
And I think we're waiting for more indicators for him to show us that he's ready for that.
I think that was the thing that was a lingering thought for me.
Let me ask you, Pedro, we only have a minute remaining, and I'm going to be direct in how I ask this.
Do you think he is the best person to continue the MAGA movement he started?
And I say that as someone who's supporting him in 2024.
Does that make sense, the question I'm asking?
Because he started this populist nationalist movement.
Is he the best to continue it in your objective analysis?
Well, I'm not going to obey the question, but I'm going to tell you that I think that right now I can't see anybody else.
I know everyone's talking about DeSantis, and if you follow me, you know that I've said nice things about him as well.
But I'm no one's cheerleader.
But basically, I think there is so much support for Trump that basically, if someone tried to challenge him and rip the MAGA banner out of his hand right now, like the same right now at this juncture in 2024, it would probably split the right and end up hurting the movement more than it helps it because it would trigger insane infighting.
So, the question of best, I'm not sure.
Does he seem to me to be the only one that could do it at this moment?
Maybe.
I can't give you a yes, Trump, or no, Trump answer because there are so many moving parts to this.
And my main concern right now is that we don't actually just engage in infighting because it's going to overshadow all these other things.
I mean, like the question of GOP leadership.
Grassroots Fight for Leadership00:18:18
People are focused so much on Trump or DeSantis that they miss the fact that if we don't do something about this, it won't matter because you're going to have people like Kevin McCarthy and Ronnie McDaniel who are ultimately operating the machinery of the political party.
So, who's in the White House doesn't matter a whole much.
Pedro, Chronicles Magazine, great job as always.
Thanks so much.
Appreciate it.
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Honestly, I received one of the best negative questions I have ever seen.
And it's a very, very good question.
Charlie, you say we've just begun to fight, but what are we fighting for?
I honestly don't know.
Certainly not for the Republican Party as it currently stands.
You don't expect people to do that, do you?
They've spit in our faces.
I will fight for MAGA, but why in the world should we align ourselves with a party that doesn't represent our values and serve us?
It's a really good question, actually.
It comes from an honest place.
And my recommendation is now that the dust is settling and now that we're not going to be tracking polls every show here, we're going to keep on going through hopefully a series of programs in the coming weeks and months.
And I actually enjoy this even more: what does it mean to be a conservative?
What is the good, the true, and the beautiful?
What is the threat of authoritarianism and totalitarianism?
You want to know what we're fighting for?
Turn off your phone and go read the Federalist Papers.
Turn off your phone and go read The Ethics by Aristotle.
You want to know what we're fighting for?
Go read some C.S. Lewis.
You should know what you're fighting for.
The Republican Party is nothing more than a temporary political instrument to fight for ancient, beautiful ideas.
Not just ideas, but the reality of your children and a duty to them, to your nation.
And that's why we got so worked up over the midterms.
We got so worked up over the midterms because we looked at it as a moment in time to be able to use the energy of the people to fight for the things that are always true.
The laws of nature and nature is God.
Separation of powers, consent to the governed, the independent judiciary.
It's one of the reasons why we like Churchill so much.
Churchill was willing and able and wise enough to do something about it.
Okay.
We'll talk more about that as we continue on this journey together.
That tricky number 218, that tricky number 218 was reached yesterday with Kevin Kiley's call for victory.
Yesterday, the day before, whatever, I lose track of days.
And he joins us right now.
Kevin, congratulations on your victory.
You came on our program leading up to it.
How does it feel to be lucky number 218?
Thanks, Charlie.
I feel like I can credit the insanely slow ballot counting in California for that distinction.
But it feels good to be in the majority.
I can tell you that after being in the super duper minority in California.
Yeah, so walk us through that.
So, look, you ran for Congress in this newly created seat and you won and you're going to Congress for a reason.
It must be very exciting for that.
And now you get to serve in a Republican majority.
Have you ever served in a majority body as a legislature?
No, I have not.
Far from it.
Yeah.
And so what is then the mandate that you think you're going to be bringing to this Congress now that you are going to be in the majority?
Well, the mandate is accountability for the Biden administration.
It's going to fall on the House of Representatives to do that.
We still have a Democrat-controlled Senate, but the House, you know, is the body that is closest to the people.
This is the way our founders designed the system.
The House is the only body that was up for full election this cycle.
Only a third of the senators were, and the voters chose change.
They chose a change of leadership.
They chose a new majority.
And with that majority comes the full oversight powers of Congress.
That means the ability to bring in administration officials to question them.
It comes with the subpoena power, and it comes with the ability to do investigations where appropriate.
And so it's really going to be the job of the House to hold this administration accountable, which we know has not been done for the last two years.
Yeah, so some people are very wary of exactly what is going to be done.
And I tell people about the IRS agents, the Merrick Garland, all the different things that you guys are going to be overseeing.
Where do you see your kind of specialty or kind of your niche when it comes to all the looming oversight that needs to be done?
Well, I mean, it's hard to know even where to start just because there's so many things that have gone awry with this administration.
I mean, I know that several members of the conference wrote a letter to Homeland Security yesterday, to Secretary Mayorkis, sort of detailing the stonewalling that has been done over the course of the last two years in response to myriad letters requesting documents, requesting testimony that have simply been ignored.
And sort of the gist of the letter was that ends on January 3rd.
Once Republicans get the gavels, we're actually going to have some accountability.
And so please be ready to provide the requested documents and everything else right off the bat.
But I think that, you know, you just gave a perfect example with the IRS agents.
We want to know what these folks are actually up to.
We know they're not just going to be out there auditing billionaires.
There aren't that many billionaires out there to occupy a doubling of the IRS workforce.
And so I think it's going to be important in that in any number of issue areas with DOJ to be sure to get the facts about what's actually going on so that by the time the next election comes around, Americans will have full view of the facts and be able to make an informed decision about the direction of the country.
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that's right.
And I mean, you look at the overreach of Merrick Garland and of Mayorkis and the southern border as well.
You know, so by the way, there's a leadership fight happening right now in the House conference.
Where do you come down on that?
Well, I don't know how much of a fight there is.
I mean, the conference nominated Kevin McCarthy as our nominee for speaker.
And I fully expect that when this comes to the floor of the House on January 3rd, that he will be elected speaker of the House.
So there's the question of also just kind of fulfilling the mandate of our voters, right?
And so there's a lot of people, and I have a piece of tape here that I want to play about, you know, some of these looming issues of what's happening on the border and just the gross and widespread negligence of the Biden administration to not do their job.
And, you know, part of it is it's going to be more than just pressuring the Biden administration.
It's going to be using the reconciliation process and also the budgetary process to actually use some of the chips we have available.
Can you talk about that a little bit?
Well, sure.
I mean, there's any number of must-pass bills that are needed in order to keep the government running, to have a budget.
And those bills need to pass both the Senate and the House.
And so that brings with it an extraordinary amount of leverage in order to assure that the bills that are passed have the right priorities and cut back on spending, which has been absolutely out of control for the last couple of years.
Everyone knows this is what led to the enormous inflation that we have.
In fact, it was predicted by none other than Larry Summers, Barack Obama's top economic advisor, that if you spent $4 trillion, then you'd have inflation.
You don't need a Nobel Prize winning economist to tell you that, though.
It's pretty much common sense.
And yet the Pelosi-Schumer Congress decided to do it anyway.
And so Republicans now have the ability to put a stop to all of that, to say that we're not going to pass a budget that continues to increase the size of government inordinately.
And we're going to make sure that we're funding what needs to be funded and that we're going to take away funding from those things that need to be defunded.
So in closing here, Kevin, I want to talk about ballot harvesting is legal in California.
And some of the more creative pastors and churches and activists have decided to adopt this sort of ballot gathering strategy.
You won in California as a Republican.
Again, I will say this for all of our national listeners, and especially those of you listening on KRLA, the big blowtorch radio station in Los Angeles and KTIE down in San Bernardino and the Inland Empire.
If it was not for the Patriots in California, Pelosi would still be Speaker.
It's that simple.
If it was not for you, Kevin, if it was not for Michelle Steele, if it was not for Young Kim, if it was not for all the amazing people and the activists that got you guys into office and the voters that got you into office, Pelosi is still speaker.
Can you talk about the ballot harvesting issue?
How should we think about it?
And how have Republicans used it to actually catch up to some of the Democrats' momentum?
Yeah, so the irony of this is that when we first started doing this, when you had ballot drop boxes put at churches, basically utilizing the ballot harvesting laws, Gavin Newsom, Javier Becerra, Alex Padilla went berserk.
They tried to stop it.
They tried to illegally remove the boxes.
Newsom said on Twitter that Republicans were trying to lie and cheat and steal an election.
You're not allowed to say that.
Yes.
And then it went to court and the court said, nope, these are perfectly legal.
This is your own law that they're utilizing.
So I do think that we need to understand sort of what is permitted by law, even if it's a bad law, and then figure out, you know, how we can make sure that we're not unduly harmed by it.
So that, you know, by utilizing it ourselves where we can.
So the churches, what they're doing is a great example of that.
But just the whole idea that we now have a month to vote and that a lot of the votes are cast early.
In California, we're sort of very habituated to this.
It's been like it for a while.
But campaigns really need to adapt, I think, to that.
If we're in the places where those are the laws and make sure that we're not getting early votes that are coming in heavily Democrats, then it's impossible for us to catch up on election day.
And you saw in California at the risk of that.
We had bad weather on election day.
Now, who knows if that is what made the difference in a race like Scott Boz in Orange County or in other parts of the state.
But if early voting is allowed, then I'm trying to sort of encourage folks that we need to inform people of how they can vote.
I totally agree.
Yes.
In-person early voting needs to be the mass push.
I'm telling you right here in Arizona and other states, I personally have learned and regret that we did not do a month-long push for in-person early voting because these cockroaches and these criminals, what they did with the tabulators here, I'm sure, Kevin, you saw some of the news.
It's unbelievable.
48% of our voting centers went down and malfunctioned on Election Day in Republican precincts.
I actually might be contacting you in a couple months to do a hearing on that, but we'll talk about that later.
Kevin, congratulations.
Thrilled you won.
You're a great American, and it is fitting and it gives me great delight that you were number 218.
Congrats, Kevin.
See you soon.
Thanks, Charlie.
You bet.
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Somebody says, Charlie, what is the update out of Maricopa for Abe Homeday?
Abe Homeday is running for Attorney General of Arizona.
He is down 304 votes right now.
So I don't know if these are coming from Pima.
They probably are.
A bunch of criminals down there.
But Maricopa allegedly still has thousands of ballots left and allegedly still has some box three left.
We don't know.
It is anybody's guess.
It is wide open.
It is a mess.
Charlie, in the states that allow ballot harvesting, Trump should have multiple rallies in those states and collect ballots, especially in California.
Yeah.
So here's my piece of advice for Trump in 2024.
And this was my advice back in 2020.
And Tyler Boyer, who's going to be joining us for the entire third hour, has the same piece of advice as well, which is going to a rally is not doing something.
Going to rallies are important.
There's a place for them.
But something I would have loved to have seen is every single one of these rallies.
What if we would have given clipboards to every attendee to say, here's 10 doors to go knock on, here's 10 voters in your neighborhood.
Go download this application and here's 20 people you guys can go talk to.
Rallies play a role, public displays of support, massively energizing the base.
And so in states that allow ballot harvesting, I have this amazing visual of Donald Trump doing a rally in, let's say, Nevada that allows ballot harvesting.
And I think Pennsylvania does.
It's really unclear to me if Pennsylvania allows it or not.
It's very strange.
I can't get a good answer.
I have this visual of everybody holding up their ballot at a Trump rally and just the media at once all of a sudden writing these articles saying the dangers of mail-in voting.
We're going to catch up to this.
We are going to create an aggressive ballot harvesting operation in the states where it's legal.
Now, we have time, we have these emails of people that say this is happening at Arizona State University, where entire sororities and fraternities are turning in their ballots because they claim they're all housemates.
I guarantee you that if that's investigated, there's some of these young ladies and young men that are turning in their ballots and they actually live not actually at the house.
They might live down the street.
They might live in the apartment.
So they're breaking the law if that's the case.
And no one would dare ask a question.
So here is where ballot harvesting is legal.
It's hard to believe it's legal in Florida.
That's amazing.
It's incredible.
It is legal in Pennsylvania.
It is legal in Florida.
It is legal in Iowa.
It is legal in Colorado, obviously.
It is legal in other battleground states of Maine.
There's a battleground district there.
And that's about it.
Got it.
So Florida is very limited.
And so look, where we are at right now is a situation where the vast majority of our movement has to make a choice.
Are we going to make the choice that we are going to throw up our hands and give up?
Or are we going to take what happened in the midterms as a shot of confidence, as wind at our back?
Like, okay, we won the national popular vote, but there's a lot of machinery that needs to be reassembled.
And I know what you're probably thinking: where is the Republican Party on this?
They are so far behind on this stuff, guys, I can't even put it into words, okay?
Do not count on the Republican Party to do this stuff or the GOP establishment.
It's just not going to happen.
This has to happen from the grassroots.
This has to be a precinct strategy.
This has to be a whole new approach to how we do politics altogether.
The game itself has been realigned.
The game is now get as many ballots as you possibly can in a period of time that is longer than Ramadan.
Every Trump rally in Pennsylvania, because they allow ballot harvesting.
Every rally in central Pennsylvania should have this massive box with slits at the top.
It should be MAGA, MAGA, with a couple of security guards standing there, and just encourage every person that shows up to the MAGA rally to put them in the box.
Now, you got to look at the laws.
I don't know if that's legal in Pennsylvania.
Not every state has it as open as they do in California.
So you got to find some workarounds or you have to just follow the law to the letter.
The point is, we have to use the enthusiasm that we have in our movement to maximize the votes themselves.
And just imagine, I could see a visual marching in with boxes of ballots straight into the county recorder's office, and there's nothing they could do about it.
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