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Nov. 18, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Gamification of America's Elections with Mollie Hemingway and Alina Habba
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Ballot Harvesting as a Game 00:11:19
Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show.
Molly Hemingway discusses how politics has changed into something closer to a game.
It's like get the ballot is the new game.
And Elena Habba joins us for the latest legal update from Trump's Circle.
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There's a lot to continue to dive into here with what's happening in Arizona and across the country.
Joining us now is the great Molly Hemingway.
She wrote the great book, Rigged.
I think we have it around here.
Molly, welcome back to the program.
It's great to be here with you.
So, Molly, a lot of people are scratching their head.
And, you know, we did a whole hour about the failures of Maricopa County and the machines going down and all that.
But just more broadly and generally across the country, can you help explain why the data was so off?
Not just the polling data, but people had early voting forecasts and kind of predictions.
It was all off.
How was that possible, Molly?
So the first thing I think it's important to remember is that in some sense, it wasn't off.
And that's why everybody feels so weird about what happened.
And what I mean by that is Republicans did win the generic ballot.
They did have millions more voters.
We do know that three out of four people in the country are upset with the direction of the country, that President Biden has low approval ratings, that, you know, objectively speaking, the economy is bad.
We have no border.
You know, crime is skyrocketing.
These are all real things that contribute to the confusion people feel about the end result.
And I think that while there are, you know, easily you could, usually when people name a thing that they think went wrong, they're right.
I think one thing that people really need to understand at a very high level, and I do appreciate that you get this, is that Democrats really targeted their ballot harvesting operations in key races, you know, 20, 25, 30 key house races.
They turned on their machine in those places.
And I don't mean like a physical machine.
I mean a getting the ballots into the boxes kind of machine and maybe like five Senate seats.
They didn't do all over the country.
They just knew where they were vulnerable and they focused there.
And I think that actually explains why New York saw such big gains.
You had, what, five seats flipped to the Republican?
Because Democrats really didn't turn on their machine there.
Or you look at a state like Florida, which like New York had a 17-point swing in Republicans' favor.
I think the big thing there, in addition to good candidates and slightly better election integrity laws, the Republicans have a machine in Florida that banks ballots.
They do have, they did have a good handle on how many early votes they had.
And so if Republicans want to win elections ever again, they A, should continue their efforts to return to an election day type situation.
That's just better for the country.
But until and unless they achieve that, they absolutely need to play the game according to the rules that are there, which means banking ballots early so that you don't lose the whole race two weeks before election day.
Yeah, so I guess, Molly, what we're looking at is, I mean, and it's taking us a little while to realize this, Democrats designed it.
It's the world that Mark Elias designed and we're just living in it, is that the idea of politics now is less about debates, Katie Hobbs than debate, less about candidate equality, Fetterman, just look at it.
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Less about leadership, Joe Biden stayed in his basement.
And now it's kind of this 40 to 45 day game.
It's a game now where it's basically, can you be on television relentlessly to at least get to some equilibrium with independence?
Can you have a machine to go find as many pieces of paper as possible?
I think Democrats are breaking the law when they do this, but it's awfully clandestine.
And we have evidence of that time and time again.
But let's pretend they're not.
They still have a mass ballot harvesting operation in states you can do that.
And so do Republicans and conservatives now need to realize that politics has fundamentally changed.
It really doesn't matter if you have a good message anymore.
It doesn't matter if you're able to excite people.
Your thoughts, Molly?
This is why I say the changes are bad for the country.
When you had an election day model, it was about building momentum, building cohesion, persuading people, building excitement, because whether you wanted to vote or not was actually one of the ways that democracy works.
And with this ballot harvesting operation that we've moved to, you might not even know there's an election.
You might not know who's running.
You might not know the issues, but you get enough ballot chasers put on your behind.
You're going to get your ballot in, even if you're one of the least propensity, the least informed voters out there.
It's not healthy, but it's just, again, the way it is.
Well, look, and so Democrats seek ballots, Republicans seek voters.
And there's a huge difference, right?
I mean, we go seek modeling and like, well, who's going to be able to persuade to our message?
Where they just go all in and they have drop boxes on college campuses and they're able to run up the score in ways that are probably illegal, by the way, Molly.
For example, at Arizona State University, entire sororities were bringing in boxes of ballots, of which a state it's illegal to ballot harvest.
And they say, well, we are all housemates.
I guarantee not every single person is living in that sorority house.
There's not 70 people living in that house.
Some people are probably in dorms and they're in apartments.
It doesn't matter.
No one enforces the law.
And so, Molly, here's the problem, though.
The more I talk about this, our audience is not on board.
They say, I do not want to participate in drop boxes.
I don't want to participate in early voting.
Is there going to have to be some form of a behavioral and attitudinal change if we're ever serious about winning again?
Well, I don't, I actually agree with people who say that these are bad things.
So it's very difficult for me too.
I think it's horrible for the country that we have moved to unsupervised balloting.
It's so ripe for coercion, illegality, and other problems.
It's not a good thing.
The challenge is that if you don't play according to these new rules that Democrats have spent, frankly, decades putting into place, but were able to accomplish thanks to COVID hysteria.
If you don't play according to those rules, you'll never have power ever again.
So in some of these states, like, how do you win the state legislature to reform and strengthen election integrity if you can't win the election?
What are you going to do?
So the thing is, like a lot of people oppose it, and it is true that Republicans are overwhelmingly less likely to vote early, but there are a lot of groups that are fine with it.
In fact, most people don't share our opinion that it's bad for the country.
All the election integrity stuff polls extremely well, except for unsupervised balloting, which is the big one, where people actually tend to support mass unsupervised balloting.
So I think it's a tricky message, but it's just one that needs to get through.
You would need a ground game.
And this is something that Republican leadership could provide guidance on.
You need to be banking a certain number of ballots per day.
You need to be targeting who you're getting those ballots from.
And you just need.
If you care about, if you think that you're helping the people by having power, you need to get power and you need to play according to the rules as the law has them now.
Yeah.
And what's nuts is that, you know, Democrats were behind their projections in Arizona.
And inexplicably, there was this, not inexplicably, 100, 150,000 ballot drop that happened in the course of 48 hours.
It just, it happened at a left field.
I wonder if that isn't from something else that happened this election, which is that Joe Biden had federal agencies spend taxpayer money to get involved in the ballot operation.
And one of the ways that they most emphasized this was in exploiting federal work study programs on college campuses.
And they matched it with the, you know, since fought by courts promise to pay off student debt through fear-mongering about ending unborn human lives.
Like all these things kind of worked together.
They had orders that went out to college campuses to be receptive to this federal work study scheme.
I bet that had a lot to do with Arizona, which has such a large campus population.
Yep.
And then you have also the, as you mentioned, the federal agencies even on top of that and military bases and all sorts of different types of things.
And look, the FOIA requests, when the FOIAs were actually done, it showed a bunch of blacked out pages as well regarding what exactly happened with the federal agencies becoming basically get out the vote operations.
Despite all of that, Republicans won the generic ballot and there were a lot of victories to celebrate.
But again, 2020 was the first chapter.
This is the second chapter.
And I'll tell you what, everybody, politics is dead as you know it.
Messaging and all that stuff matters on the edges and the margins.
It's now just a matter of how many human beings you can have chasing how many pieces of paper and putting them in a box.
It's a game.
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Messaging the Pro-Life Cause 00:04:33
So, Molly, I think one of the other kind of struggles people have is maybe we set our expectations too high.
There is a debate on the right of the role that Dobbs played in this election.
I do believe that in certain states, especially in the state races, interestingly enough, it was actually an anchor, especially in Michigan and in Wisconsin.
In a year that otherwise should have been a very good year, we lost by five, six, or seven points when we had really good candidates.
What are your thoughts, Molly?
It's very confusing to decipher it.
I mean, you take very strong pro-life governors like Ron DeSantis, Bill Lee, Brian Kemp, Greg Abbott, who signed effectively, or, you know, who's in a state that essentially has an abortion ban, they all won their reelection.
Incumbent pro-abortion supportive governors also did well.
I think there was clear failure on the part of the Republican Party to deal with that issue.
And it's criminal because they knew it was coming.
They knew they had the leak.
They knew it was likely to be overturned.
They should have had a plan in place.
And I saw that the people who support abortion spent $391 million on targeted messaging compared to $11 million for pro-lifers.
That's just inexcusable.
And you might not win the issue.
You know, it was a big change in abortion policy and one that many people had worked very hard for and had prayed for for a very long period of time.
You can certainly get it to a draw.
And instead, Republicans kind of did this ostrich head in the sand approach of showing that not only were they weak, but they were scared to talk about it.
In fact, the vast majority of Americans support at least some protections for unborn children.
They might not want to ban all abortion, but it's like two, three quarters of the country supports a second and third trimester ban.
And instead of saying that, Republicans were just terrified and you could see the terror in their eyes.
They didn't know how to talk about it.
And it really was once again, letting down their voters, letting down their base.
And it really is inexcusable.
Yeah, I mean, I think that in certain states, if there would have just been a clear messaging of, hey, we're pro-life.
We know the country has some nuance on it and we stand for heartbeat, heartbeat, heartbeat on the state level.
I think heartbeat is very popular.
I do.
The problem, Molly, and I could say this in Arizona, because we lost a very critical state Senate race, Nancy Bartow, who's a great American, they were running ads relentlessly that they want to, Republicans want to jail doctors.
And look, I'm 100% pro-life, but most people are not.
They don't, they believe in exceptions for rape and incest.
They do.
Most people do.
And they ran that relentlessly, relentlessly, Molly.
And I think that our candidates were just unable to be able to message or to kind of, you know, navigate past that, if you will.
Yeah, well, they, it is difficult when you've got, I mean, you could spend $400 million and convince someone that, you know, someone's evil because they hate puppies.
You know, like you can do anything with $400 million.
But again, every single, every single Democrat at the national level has supported not codifying Roe, as they claim, but actually no protection for unborn children or their mothers through all nine months of pregnancy.
Some of them even support no protections after the pregnancy is over, meaning the child is born.
If you, you know, what should have been happening was help so that people could swiftly pivot to pointing out the extremism of pro-abortion Democrats, which is on the record.
They actually have voted for this multiple times.
This would have been helpful instead of just hoping the issue would go away or hoping that other issues would predominate.
But, you know, again, people can get a little too, I know, I know it's very bad.
There are particular races and Gretchen Whitmer and things like that, but there were also a lot of pro-life successes as well.
In closing, Molly, tell us about the Federalist great website doing really well.
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Tell us about it.
Well, thanks.
We do news and commentary, pushing back against the false narratives that corporate media push out and coordinate, you know, through their big media organs.
And we are so happy to be able to, yeah, just report actual news and have analysis that is not what you get from the swamp or from the media outlets that support the swamp.
Fighting Active Legal Cases 00:11:04
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We are keeping our eyes on this Arizona Attorney General's race.
It's within 30 votes, is what it's going to be on.
It's going to be right up to the razor's edge.
Joining us now is Alina Haba, who is the attorney for President Donald Trump.
Lots to ask her about.
Welcome back to the program.
Hey, Charlie, how are you?
Very good.
Thank you.
So, the president announced for his third time for his second term to try to get a second term back, I guess I could say.
What has this changed legally?
It's been such a topic of the mainstream media with all the investigations.
What is this change, if anything?
Honestly, not much.
I know that there's speculation that it will change the optics of the DOJ or the FBI in terms of putting in any additional investigations or bringing any charges, but I think that that's a very dated thought.
I think that the DOJ and the FBI that we're seeing these days don't really care, especially when it relates to Trump.
So, I honestly, nothing.
I know that it makes it politically charged that appearance if they do bring something, but that doesn't really matter.
I can tell you, you know, all of my cases are still going and are very active.
And there's been absolutely no change in direction since he announced.
Yeah, so I mean, there's a lot of these investigations that are ongoing and that are happening.
And I know a lot of people are curious about it.
So, what can we expect from the president moving forward?
What are his next steps when it comes to these legal fights?
I mean, you know, I think he's just going to take them one at a time.
I really don't think we can do anything to strategically move them along.
We have judges that are very active.
You know, obviously Letitia James' case up in New York, we have a judge who's been incredibly difficult, but we're moving right along in that.
We're trying to work with the AG, like we've always said.
You know, we're all these cases, we cooperate as much as we possibly can.
And I think he's going to continue to do so.
You know, they're on track.
Some of them have trials.
I had a trial that started a couple of weeks ago.
You know, we just really can't change our path.
And our path is to get through them, get to the bottom of them and show that they're frivolous, you know, and that's it.
That's all we can do.
Yeah.
So from a campaign standpoint, is there anything you can kind of cue us into about things he might be doing differently or reimagining his campaign for 2024?
So I can tell you the team is being, the team is strong on the campaign so far.
I am really looking forward to seeing what their leadership does.
I think that the message should be, in my opinion, and I've told him this, and I really believe that the message should be moving forward and really taking a look at how terrible our country has been in the last two years.
And I have said this before, I'll say it again.
I don't know anybody that could say that their life is better in the past two years.
And we went through a pandemic with President Trump.
So that's a lot.
I think he's got to really, he's looking at his policies and he's always been active.
You know that, Charlie.
He's so active and he's so in tune with everything that I think it's going to be obviously more formal.
There will be guardrails put up with all of the regulations that go into place.
But he's going to start to really put into place people that he trusts and move along to get people out to vote.
So we haven't really talked about the Mar-a-Lago raid in quite some time.
What can you tell us about the status update of that entire investigation, which was insane from the beginning?
What's the latest there?
I'm not on that Mar-a-Lago case.
I'm not the attorney on it.
So my knowledge is pretty much the same as yours.
We try and, you know, we compartmentalize everything.
My hands have been very full with other things.
But my understanding is they're cooperating on that and communicating with the DOJ and trying to work that out.
I mean, that's what I would assume.
Yeah, I mean, it was such an incredible overreach of power in almost every single way possible and imaginable.
Are you on the case of the subpoena from the January 6th committee in that ongoing situation?
No, no, I'm not.
Harmee Dillon is handling that case and doing a great job with it.
And I understand that they filed a motion recently because they couldn't get an agreement on terms.
You know, I think that what the J6 committee did with video depositions or interrogations and then parsing out the parts that they want and airing them was so corrupt.
You know, this is not, this is a legal issue.
This is not a soap opera.
And I think we have to make sure that we focus on the people that are still in jail, the people that have been in solitary confinement, that get an hour out a day, that many of which they haven't even had their day in court.
So I'm not saying there are people that did things wrong that day.
There were, but everybody should have their day in court.
There is no reason that you should be politicizing something like this and having individuals with families, with children suffering for what?
You know, it's just not, it's not okay at all.
So there hasn't been a lot made of kind of some illegal wins here.
The media wants to shut up President Trump.
But talk about some of the big wins that you actually can celebrate legally.
Yeah, we had some great wins.
For me, top of mind is this week we won a lawsuit against Michael Cohen.
He brought against the United States and Bill Barr and Donald Trump, of course, for First Amendment violations.
And his claim was basically that he was put in solitary confinement, treated unfairly, treated differently than anybody else would be treated because he was coming out with a book and that it was retaliatory in nature from the Trump administration and the president personally, which was absolutely ridiculous.
We have, we were fighting that.
I personally handled that case, obviously, for the president.
And we won and it got dismissed.
And it was another Michael Cohen, you know, ridiculous attempt to become relevant based on his very long, very long ago relationship with Donald Trump.
So that was a big win.
The Trump family won against Mary Trump.
That was a long haul.
You know, she was trying to get out of something that was predated, had nothing to do with the president.
But again, he becomes president and these people come after him.
So that got dismissed as well.
I'm really, I'm really proud of the work that we're doing.
And I think it doesn't get the attention, Charlie, that people like you might give it because they want to tear him down so much or they're on the DeSantis train or whatever it is.
And realistically, he's been very successful in a lot of this litigation that comes at him that is completely frivolous.
Yeah.
And it's just, it's unfortunately, I think it's just going to be starting up again.
Well, Alina, thank you so much for joining us and great commentary.
And thank you for fighting so hard.
Thank you.
Thanks, Charlie.
Appreciate it.
Everybody, email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
There's so many things that are happening here.
And as someone said, Charlie, what do you mean that people didn't show up?
Look, general turnout in Arizona was lower.
And it's just a fact that in Yavapai and in Mojave, Carrie Lake's margins were amazing.
They were incredible by how much she won by, but the actual volume of people that showed up in rural Arizona was good.
It was great.
I mean, it wasn't, you know, awful, but it was not presidential numbers.
Anywhere between 250,000 to 300,000 Republican voters did not even check in to vote.
And I know you say, well, Charlie, things were manipulated.
No, no, I agree.
But they didn't even show up actually to vote on game day, which is to be expected in a midterm election, but also goes to show that there's so many more supporters out there that can and should show up.
I want to get to some emails that we're receiving here, but I do want to play a piece of tape here and to kind of set the tone.
And look, the situation in front of us is going to require renewed grit and focus and tenacity, unlike anything we've had to see in quite some time.
It's not going to be for the fate of heart, but there are so many great wins that we can celebrate.
Now, while all of this is ongoing, did you know yesterday that several of your Republicans in Congress went out of their way to try and nullify state laws when it comes to marriage being one man and one woman?
Now, I'm not trying to depress you further, but it just honestly needs to be said.
Securing Republican Control 00:08:18
The Senate is trying to codify same-sex marriage into law.
And who voted for it?
Roy Blunt from Missouri, Richard Burr from North Carolina, Shelly Morcapado from West Virginia.
These are the Republicans.
Susan Collins from Maine, Cynthia Lummis from Wyoming, Rob Portman from Ohio, Mitt Romney from Utah.
That's interesting.
I wonder if in the LDS world they're really into gay marriage.
Must be.
Dan Sullivan from Alaska, Tom Tillis from North Carolina, Joni Ernst from Iowa.
You got to wonder about that.
Senator Young from Indiana and Murkowski from Alaska.
By the way, the LDS church, I'm told, endorsed this bill.
And they call it the Respect for Marriage Act.
It's such ridiculous.
It is overturning a traditional definition of marriage.
What do we need Democrats for when we have Republicans that gleefully go and vote for gay marriage?
It compels the recognition of other states' marriages, is what it does.
Remarkable.
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Someone says, Charlie, Republicans didn't show up.
Question mark.
How many tens of thousands couldn't afford to wait three plus hours, so they never showed up?
I totally agree.
I'm just making a fact that in some of the strongest Republican areas, Kerry Lake did very well, but there was a drop off between Donald Trump turnout and Kerry Lake turnout.
That's to be expected.
Presidential turnout is always higher than midterm election turnout.
It's just the way it is, always.
But there's votes on the table, is what I'm trying to say.
There were votes left on the table in Arizona and in other states as well.
Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Let's go to Cut 371 about the new gay marriage bill in the Senate, 371.
The Republicans have stopped short of recognizing our trans brothers and sisters.
And what we really need is the Equality Act and full equality for LGBT plus people and their partners.
That's right.
That's what they're trying to say.
By the way, I'm about to walk through some numbers with you that are going to shock you about how urban turnout was way down, but it was white rural voters that actually decided to vote Democrat in Pennsylvania.
Welcome back, everybody.
The final numbers are here with how much money the Democrats raised this cycle.
Democrats, through Act Blue, raised $1.8 billion this cycle.
Republicans raised $1 billion.
That is an $800 million difference, $800 million difference.
You got to wonder, though, I mean, for Republicans and conservatives, we're more likely to support charities and churches.
For Democrats, this is a religion.
They look at their $500 a month contribution to Mark Kelly or Raphael Warnock as a tithe to the secular church of leftism.
To them, this is their meaning, too.
This is why they're so miserable.
And there is, I just want to communicate this to you, and it's a great learning lesson for me.
And maybe you guys already know this, which is politics are important, but politics should not be the source of meaning in your life.
You will always be let down, depressed, and disappointed.
This is why the left is so miserable, because for them, politics is an instrument of religion.
It matters more than anything else.
It's so important to them.
Who controls what?
And it's this big game.
And I say for a while, we actually need to care more about politics, but not get to a place where we are dominated by it at every corner and every single turn.
Some good news today.
Republicans are announcing that investigations into Joe Biden, which is a good first step.
The amount of investigations that need to happen in this upcoming House of Representatives is enormous.
And CNN last night reluctantly called the House for the Republicans.
House of Representatives is now officially in Republican hands.
Nancy Pelosi will not seek re-election for Democrat leadership.
The midterm election results.
There's still, I think, nine seats that have left to be called, nine of them officially, including Lauren Bobert.
So that should give us, hopefully, some good news.
What is the latest out of Lauren Bobert, by the way?
They've gone so mysteriously dark on that.
So mysteriously dark.
Now, for those of you that are watching in Arizona and lamenting and you're saying, man, how did things go so wrong?
Well, interestingly enough, Arizona is about to send more Republican congressmen to Congress than Democrat congressmen.
So despite all of the negative and the frustrating news, Arizona is about to send some pretty rock star conservatives to Congress.
Lauren Boebert is up 1,000 votes right now.
And has Decision Day called it for Lowen Boebert?
Is that right?
They have.
So then what is our official number if we've called it for Lowen?
Are we at 219 now or are we at 220?
I don't know.
I don't know what number we're at now.
There's still some other uncalled races, including Scott Baugh's race in Orange County.
That one's going to be tough against Katie Porter.
David Valadeo is looking good in California 22.
He's a fighter.
I'll tell you what.
He really is.
In California 13, we still have Duarte, so it could end up being around 221, 222.
Oh, did decision desks call it for Katie Porter?
She is the worst.
I'll tell you what.
Orange County seat.
With all that being said, though, if it was not for Lee Zeldin, if it was not for the pastors in California that ballot harvested and got out in the streets, Democrats would control the United States House of Representatives.
If that is, that is the clearest, most convincing argument to not give up.
And by the way, Karen Bass, who is a Marxist communist, is going to be the mayor of Los Angeles.
And by the way, John Duarte, the one race I just mentioned, another congressional pickup possibly, is in the lead with 91% in.
Could be a really good surprise.
Boy, I'd love to see us get to 222 or 223.
We are going to control the United States House of Representatives.
Praise God for that.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening.
God bless.
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