Can We Hold Maricopa County Accountable? With Attorney Mike Davis
Arizona's crucial attorney general race will be decided by just a few hundred votes either way. In a race that close, the result isn't decided by messaging, it's decided by turnout, and which party is better at it. Mike Davis of the Article 3 Project joins to make the case for shifting every state to the Florida voting model, and then start piling up ballots by every means available. Plus, Charlie looks at evidence of illegal ballot harvesting in Arizona, and discusses whether Maricopa County election problems indicate a need for a revote.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, the Arizona Attorney General's race is down to 427 votes.
We can only speculate and imagine the difference that all those voting centers that got shut down would make if they would have remained open and we wouldn't have had those lines and lines and lines and lines.
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People are angry, and you should be angry.
There are so many people out there in Arizona right now that are fuming that the process of a fair and free election was interrupted by toner issues, machines going down two-hour lines.
And the Democrats, they saw us telegraph the official paper of the Arizona GOP said we are all going to go vote on Election Day.
And I think some sinister people said, well, fine, we're going to ambush you.
We're going to prevent you from voting altogether.
You see, what ended up happening is the path forward for strong conservatives in Arizona was to overwhelm the system on Election Day.
And the establishment saw that coming.
Many people, including this program, warned, are they going to have the toner, the supplies, the printing materials?
Are they going to be able to facilitate the long lines?
And, you know, people called us conspiracy theorists.
And they said, you know, that's not going to happen.
And now that we take a step back and we analyze the landscape, we will never know the cost, the material impact of what happened on Election Day when all of these machines went down in Maricopa County, when people were told they pulled up to a voting center and they were told by somebody that was an official election worker, go to another site.
That is illegal.
You're not allowed to do that.
Go just go to another site.
Just go to a different one.
As if we're all out of bananas here at this grocery store.
Go to another one.
The Board of Supervisors is experiencing the wrath for good reason of the people of Arizona.
Play Cut 373.
So, Mr. Gates, Mr. Galardo, you are the most corrupt man on this board.
This entire board is corrupt.
You need to be replaced.
We're done with your nonsense.
It's time to get some real men in here.
This is the epitome of weak, corrupt men.
Phoenix's bulk trash pickup is weeks behind, and it works better than this.
How many tax dollars from the future did Bill Gates cost the state of Arizona?
Unfortunately, there's a lot of unethical behavior going on here.
There are going to be some serious investigations.
I would suggest that you get ahead of the curve, turn yourself over to state's evidence.
Your time is up, sir.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you and come clean.
The people of Arizona are angry, and they should be.
You know what?
I'm angry because there was a multitude, there was an unlimited ability for everybody to go vote early and in-person election day voting.
And the one thing that most conservatives wanted to be able to do was show up on Election Day and have a seamless and a trustworthy process.
And they did the opposite.
And then you have Bill Gates come out and he says, Oh, well, you know, everything's just fine and we're really excited about how things are going.
No, they were celebrating because this election being decided on the margins with the machines not working and the toner issues and the long lines resulted in what could be Kerry Lake being down in the ballot count right now.
Now, Kerry Lake needs to sue, and we're waiting for those lawsuits.
I hope they're coming soon because we are running out of time.
The official canvas is coming soon.
I don't know why there hasn't been lawsuits yet.
I'll be very honest.
Abe Homeday is within a couple hundred votes right now.
And once all the votes are tabulated, projections show that Abe Homeday will either be up by 30 votes or down by 30 votes.
That's right, 30 votes.
Abe Homeday needs to be in front of a judge immediately.
And if this judge is hopefully fair in any way, shape, or form, this judge will say something like, you know, 30 votes, and you have one out of five of voting centers go down and malfunction.
Now, the Board of Supervisors say, well, why don't you just put it in box three?
I'll tell you why we don't put it in box three because we don't trust you.
And by the way, we don't have to justify to you about why we want to vote the way that we constitutionally are able to vote.
Do you understand how arrogant that is?
Well, why don't you just vote the way we want you?
No, I don't want to vote that way, actually.
I want to vote the way that the law says I'm able to do, which is to tabulate my vote in front of me.
But you guys can't get machines that work because the toner issues were messed up.
And think about it.
The type of person that is the strongest Kerry Lake voter, the strongest Abe Homeday voter, the strongest Blake Masters voter is someone that's going to go vote at 6 a.m., 7 a.m., 8 a.m.
When I went in to go vote on Election Day, it was a circus.
And again, the people working there were very sweet.
There were volunteers, most former police officers, former teachers, really, really nice people.
I go in there to vote, and they said, We don't even know how this machine we've called.
No one's getting back to us.
We have people checking in.
There was a line out the door.
There were people screaming, people yelling, people refusing to get out of line.
It was Bedlam.
And I said, I got to go.
So I navigated that the best I could and eventually got to hear my program.
And it was a circus.
And you have to wonder, was it a circus by design?
Play cut 372 Board of Supervisors meeting.
Let me ask you: if you took your life savings to a bank and the teller put them in a machine, and the machine kicked out one out of four of your bills, and the teller said, Don't worry, we'll put them in box three over here, and we'll let you know how many were in there later.
We'll send them off to a separate location, and someone will be sure to get back to you and tell you how much money you have.
Would you be okay with that?
No, you would not be okay with that.
Now ask yourself the question: which is more valuable?
Your vote or your money?
Man, I'll tell you what.
It just angers me at a fundamental level: the suppression, the intimidation.
All this stuff adds up.
We're talking about elections that are on the margins.
Toner issues.
Give me a break.
And now, Abe Homeday is within a couple hundred votes, and you could say convincingly and clearly that the outcome would have been different if everything would have worked the way they did.
And now they're just shrugging their shoulders and they say, too bad.
This is the equivalent of a Super Bowl, of a basketball game, of a baseball game, an umpire or a referee that just makes a terrible call in favor of one side and they say, Well, sorry, there's no instant replay.
We're done.
The game is over.
And we're kind of saying, wait, wait, hold on a second.
There's time left on the clock.
Just go back on the replay.
And by the way, when there was a lawsuit filed to try to get the voting hours extended, people say, We are a democracy.
Remember, a Democrat-appointed judge refused to keep polls open just a few more hours in Maricopa County after 20% of polling places experienced severe malfunctions that disenfranchised thousands of conservative voters.
This alone might have been the difference.
This alone might have been the entire difference in the Arizona election right here.
And when people start to hear about lines and they start to hear about long queues, all of a sudden, maybe less people show up.
And we know that to be the case.
We've heard story after story of people say, Charlie, I was going to go vote.
I got busy with the kids.
Now, that's an argument to go in-person early vote.
But you know what?
I'm not going to go blame voters for having busy lives.
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But I will say very clearly: there needs to be a remedy for this.
And we need to start to think creatively of what that remedy might be.
Even the media knows that this was wrong.
Even the media knows that something very, very sinister happened here.
If this happened in Hispanic or black neighborhoods, there would be clarion calls from the media for a redo of the election.
We broadcasted our play.
We said, we're going to go on game day.
And the bad guys said, okay, you're going to have to experience toner issues and printer issues.
And the lines grew and the lines grew and the lines grew.
And you have to wonder, what if 285,000 people voted on election day instead of 249,000?
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Someone says, Charlie, with all due respect, I understand the sentiment.
I mean this sincerely.
It's hard to be lectured about staying in the battle or cynicism for those of us that have seen this happen election after election.
Frankly, I question whether we've had a fair or honest election in decades.
We have every right to be cynical.
That doesn't mean throwing in the towel.
It just means getting tougher and more direct.
I think that's fair, Steve.
That's fine.
There's video of some Dropbox manipulation that we are uploading.
I was just checking the veracity of it, and I mean to have it here.
And it looks to be a Maricopa County official Dropbox.
And look, I was in the movie 2000 Mules.
We know how these people operate.
And you know what's so interesting is that it's never been easier to vote if you live on a college campus.
They have these drop boxes in the middle of campus at Arizona State University with no chain of custody, no supervision.
And yet the way that a certain demographic, older white conservatives want to vote is on Election Day, of which we need to honor, obviously.
223 voting centers.
All they want to do is a very simple thing.
They just say, you know what?
I want to vote the way I voted when I was growing up.
I want to vote the way that I voted when I grew up.
And the machines fail.
PlayCut 374.
This is a montage, and it's Carrie Lake speaking over the video, PlayCut 374.
Well, the deadline was today, and my opponent, Katie Hobbs, has officially declined the debate.
You know, I consider someone's vote their voice.
I think of it as a sacred vote, and it's being trampled the way we run our elections in Arizona.
I've been sounding the alarm for two years.
Nothing got done.
Very little got done last legislative session.
And we need to get in there and restore faith in our elections.
We can't be the laughingstock of elections anymore.
Now, I had trouble seeing that video.
So from what I understand is that red car pulled up and it put at least nine ballots in that drop box, an average of six or seven each.
Now, in Arizona, you are allowed to drop off ballots on behalf of a family member.
I think it's close family member.
So unless this person, that person in the red car, had a, I don't know, they're from a Mormon family in the East Valley and they all decided to vote by proxy by them and given the ballots, there's something very suspicious.
By the way, the video goes on for over two minutes and that's just one drop box.
And there have been zero investigations and zero arrests into this.
And by the way, you have to assign and designate the dropping off of the ballot to do so.
What you saw right there is likely a crime.
What you saw, and again, I want to say likely because maybe this person was turning them on behalf of a family member.
I really doubt it.
And the last guy in the clip actually gives a middle finger to others filming the drop box.
So it's easier than ever to go do that.
But for conservatives that want to vote on election day, total chaos.
Now, someone said right here, Charlie, why is it that your numbers were so wrong?
Our numbers in some ways were off, and they were off by a percentage or two points, one or two percent, because of nonsense like this.
Because people were showing up and just throwing in ballots.
This is Arizona.
This is Maricopa County.
And also, our numbers were a little off because of game day attrition.
And I'll own that.
I'll own when my numbers are off, but it's really hard to run numbers on a flawed process.
And I won't do that again.
Geez, just all the different equations we had.
And I wasn't the only one.
Other people were saying it's mathematically impossible.
And yes, under the nor, if we were under a normally administered election, then all of that is completely true.
But when you have people pulling up and dropping off ballot after ballot after ballot, those are nine ballots that one guy drops off.
And by the way, the video goes on for two minutes, and that's just one drop box across the valley.
And where is Stephen Richer or Bill Gates?
Nowhere to be found.
They're going to tell us it's the most secure election in our lifetime.
By the way, that's just one video of several giving polling, precinct data, registration data.
All of that was looking in a certain way.
And then you see these unusual spikes of harvesting, inflation of drops.
And boy, does it matter more than anything, more than ever before, that Abe Hamiday wins?
I sure hope he does.
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So, what counts as a family?
Amazing email from Dana.
Charlie, I observed the Arizona State University Gym Voting Center, and they authorize sororities to bring in ballots for their entire sorority, up to 40 people by a single person, because they assume that they all live there full time, and therefore they qualify as a family.
I recorded this in real time and asked questions, and election officials at the site said it's fine.
And I was told it was okay because they all live together in a sorority and they should be able to drop their ballots off as a family.
This is a bombshell.
Where are the lawsuits?
I'm waiting for lawsuits.
You should sue on this in particular.
Now, in certain states, housemates are legal for ballot drops, but is that really what considers to be as a family?
Is housemates?
That's a stretch.
By the way, how many of the members of the fraternity and sorority are actually living on site?
Are they members of the sorority or are they just?
And obviously, if they're a sorority at ASU, they're very pro-abortion.
As I've said, I have recorded this in real time in my book, and I will email you the details if possible.
So they just go to every single sorority and ballot harvest around this.
And we have footage after footage after footage after footage of people just dropping off piles of ballots.
It's funny, we did the entire movie 2,000 Mules, and they didn't stop their nonsense, but our side got more cynical.
It's just, we need Abe to get across the finish line, don't we?
Joining us now is Mike Davis from the Article 3 Project.
Mike, welcome to the program.
Thank you for having me, Charlie.
So, Mike, if you were designing a legal strategy for Carrie Lake and for Abe Hamaday with this voter suppression, what would you recommend?
I know that it is a tough kind of hill to go up, but one out of five voting centers went down on Election Day, and it disproportionately impacted conservatives.
73% of people that voted in that way were Republicans.
What is your thoughts on this?
I mean, they have to figure out a way to sue here because this is much bigger than their election.
This is outright voter suppression.
They got disenfranchised.
These voters got disenfranchised.
Even if it were, if we believe the story that it was a printer error that caused these ballots to get rejected in so many, like 33%, one-third of polling locations in Maricopa County on Election Day.
You had people waiting in line for hours.
As you said, Charlie, disproportionately, Republican voters who show up on election day, they're waiting in line for hours.
They checked in, they get sent to other polling locations to go vote.
When they get to these other polling locations, they say, sorry, the poll workers say, sorry, we can't have you vote because you're checked in at the other location.
And so they're wasting all these hours of time.
They have work.
They have families.
They got disenfranchised.
And what happened?
We had.
the Republican candidates file a lawsuit, Harmeet Dylan file a lawsuit on behalf of Republican candidates to say, look, we need to keep these polling locations open, these affected polling locations open for another three hours so those people who were disenfranchised can actually show up and vote.
And what happened?
The Democrats opposed this motion, this modest request to keep these polling locations open for three hours.
And U.S. Senator Mark Kelly intervened in the case to oppose the motion.
And then this Democrat-appointed judge, Democrat-appointed judge, went along with the Democrat opposition and he disenfranchised, they disenfranchised Democrats, disenfranchise Republican voters on election day.
It's disgusting.
These Democrats pretend like they're screaming democracy and talking about voter separation, but all they care about is power.
No, they just want people to vote in a method and with a behavior that benefits their base.
But when conservatives want to vote on game day, of which is the pattern that conservatives like to vote, it's sabotage.
So what is the best course of action then here, Mike?
A class action lawsuit asking for a new election?
I mean, how can you remedy this?
That's a good question.
And very smart lawyers like Harmet Dylan are on the case.
So people should be reassured that they're on the case.
If there's anything that they can do, they will do it.
And that's Harmeet's a friend of mine.
She's a savage attorney.
She's great.
I would say what needs to happen long term is Republicans need to get out of this mindset that we need to only show up on election day.
We need to play by these Democrat rules.
We need to use the harvesting, the mail ballots, and actually win these damn elections and then change the rules instead of falling on our swords, having our 90-year-old supporters wait in four-hour lines on election day and then get disenfranchised and lose.
We need to stop being stupid as Republicans.
Start playing by the rules that the Democrats have laid out.
Play by the rules, win the elections, change the rules.
Yeah.
And so Stacey Abrams launched a fair amount of legal challenges in 2018 and never conceded to Brian Kemp.
It actually resulted in some consent decrees and a lot of changes to the Georgia law that she desired.
Can you talk about how these legal challenges, we might not get the remedy of a new election, of which we do deserve because of the mass suppression and disruptions of what happened here.
However, there could be longer term changes that actually might be helpful.
Can you talk about that?
Yeah, so the longer term changes is that every Republican state needs to go to the Florida model of elections.
And we need to stop being cowed by the Mark Elias's of the worlds and the Stacey Abrams of the worlds, where they're screaming racism, democracy, voter suppression.
Who gives a damn?
They're going to accuse us of that no matter what we do.
Let's start winning elections.
So every governor, every state legislature, they need to say, you know what, they're going to call us racist no matter what we do.
Start winning elections.
Set up the rules where we get rid of these all-mail ballots where we mass mail ballots.
They use COVID illegally to mass mail ballots to every registered voter, even college students that moved, even people who died.
I got a ballot, a mail ballot in D.C. two years ago from someone who died eight years prior.
I bought the house from the people who had died before.
I got a mail ballot.
Only thing stopping me from voting that mail ballot is signature verification and election observers at the polls.
And Democrats got rid of both of those things during COVID.
We need to get back to voter integrity and who gives a damn if they call us racist for doing it.
Let's start winning elections.
Democrats clearly don't care about voter suppression.
They just did it in Maricopa County.
Yeah, I mean, that's their game plan.
And so, I mean, it was going to take a kind of scrappy legal strategy, but I mean, kind of gritty to get through this.
But Abe Hamaday, his race is going to come down to 20 or 30 votes, 20 or 30 votes.
And they had two-hour waiting lines in the most conservative Republican areas, Fountain Hills, Scottsdale, Mesa.
And I mean, I guess they're just going to say tough luck.
That's what they're going to say.
And we're just supposed to take it.
If I were Abe, I would file a lawsuit if it's possible.
I'm not an Arizona attorney.
This is where Harmed is the brilliant legal minds here, but I would call for a redo in Maricopa County for these affected polling locations.
If people were not allowed to vote, if they showed up, they wanted to vote, they were sent to other locations and told they can't vote, and then Democrats would not keep the polls open for three more hours.
Democrat politicians and their Democrat judge, they need to be able to vote.
They were disenfranchised.
This is not legitimate what happened to you.
No, not at all.
I mean, we do need a redo.
Now, the mechanics of that would be pretty difficult, right, Mike?
Because a judge is not just going to do that, you know, quickly or haphazardly, because obviously it's all a bunch of white conservatives.
So there's really no media sympathy there, right?
They'll just roll their eyes and they'll say, why didn't you vote early?
But if it was a bunch of blacks in Atlanta, you know, the whole world would be on fire.
So the mechanics of that, I guess, are a mystery.
But I think why people are so fuming and they're so angry is the Board of Supervisors here in Maricopa County, they just don't care.
Basically, they're saying, well, why didn't you just vote differently?
You know, they're blaming us for not voting differently when we wanted to vote a certain way.
Yeah, because all the, look, these are your officials out there are Democrats and Democrats and Trump deranged rhinos.
And you know what?
Primary these people and get them out of office.
It's ridiculous that we had people show up on election day wanting to vote.
They waited in line and they got sent to another location and they were told they could not vote.
That is unacceptable.
And for this judge to deny a request to keep the polls open for three hours so those people can go vote is unacceptable.
This judge is a Democrat hack.
He's a disgrace.
Yeah, no kidding.
I want to play some pieces of tape here.
So this is the ballot harvesting that happened.
It is likely illegal what these people are doing.
You cannot ballot harvest in Arizona.
Some people are dropping off nine or 10 ballots.
Can we sue on this, Mike?
Can we sue that no one's enforcing the law?
It's just the wild west out here.
You just do whatever you want.
And notice there's no license plates on the front here.
Play tape now.
Well, the deadline was today, and my opponent, Katie Hobbs, has officially declined the debate.
You know, I consider someone's vote their voice.
I think of it as a sacred vote, and it's being trampled the way we run our elections in Arizona.
I've been sounding the alarm for two years.
Nothing got done.
Very little got done last legislative session.
And we need to get in there and restore faith in our elections.
We can't be the laughing stock of elections anymore.
Mike, I mean, can we file a lawsuit on laws not being enforced as a civil rights violation of someone coming and dropping off nine ballots, which is clearly against Arizona law, unless he has nine children or housemates?
The problem is, as we saw with the 2020 election, these judges are such cowards.
You could file these lawsuits and they want to hide under their robes and not do a damn thing about this.
What needs to happen is Republican legislatures around the country need to end these male ballots and they need to stop being cowed by the Stacey Abrams of the world, the Mark Eliases of the world.
There's nothing worse than these Republican, white Republican male politicians who are terrified of being called racist because we want voter integrity in this country.
And they need to stop being cowed by this.
We need to get serious about this.
You would think we would learn our mistakes from the 2020 election.
We cannot let this happen again.
We need to end this all-male ballot nonsense, this election season, because these elections are no longer about which candidate has the best ideas for popular support.
It is about what operation, what machine can go gather the most votes and drawing up.
Yeah, I mean, it's people that don't debate.
You got Fetterman, you got Hobbes, you got Biden.
Their idea of democracy is some sort of weird Hunger Games style ballot collection competition where it's like super, you know, you're staying up till two o'clock in the morning trying to hunt down as many ballots as you possibly can.
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That's their idea.
Their idea of democracy is a game, is what it is.
It's not actually trying to win over people or have dialogue or discussion.
It's, can you chase down the most pieces of paper possible?
Mike, thank you so much for joining us.
Everyone, check out the Article 3 project.
Thank you.
Thank you, Charlie.
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Someone says, Charlie, I guess we're suckers.
Why are we upset from the same thing from two years ago?
It's our fault after two years, we can't learn to play ball.
Jerry, I think that's really, I think there's some truth there.
And look, I'm going to do some introspection here.
And I'll be honest, focusing on what happened in 2020 and now in 2022 is very important.
But I think how we responded to it was not correct.
How we responded to it was game day, game day, game day, game day.
And so basically, what happened is the enemy then ambushed our move when the move should have been in person early voting, not going by ballots, by mail and ballots, but in person early voting.
And I'm afraid that there was a fair amount of understandable cynicism post-2020.
And here's the thing: there were hundreds of thousands.
Let me say this again.
Hundreds of thousands of people that do not live in Maricopa County that did not show up to vote for Kerry Lake.
Hundreds of thousands of people that voted for Donald Trump and did not vote for Kerry Lake.
Hundreds of thousands.
They just stayed at home.
You have to wonder if the kind of spirit of cynicism that we might have mistakenly stumbled into might have made people stay at home.
And so here we are, where we have provable evidence of entire sororities at Arizona State University carrying entire buckets of ballots to go turn in.
We have evidence in there of people nine ballots at a time just being thrown into a dropbox.
When you are wronged, the courts are supposed to be a place where you can remedy that.
If there is justice, we should be able to get a new election.
But boy, we are running out of time.
We need to get some lawsuits going very, very quickly.
The chances of a new election, just so that everybody is clear, is very low.
Okay?
But it shouldn't be low.
But that's the world we live in.
We're going to have to change our tactics.
And it's very interesting.
The left, they have been able to capitalize on this ballot game.
And it really is a sad moment for America.
And we're going to have to accept it, internalize it, and then become solution-oriented around it.
Elections used to be about who has the ideas and who's able to better persuade the population.
And under all of those, Kerry Lake was just above and beyond.
But that's no longer what democracy is.
And it should be very clear for all of us now.
When they say democracy, democracy, democracy, they're talking about a sporting event, not an election.
They have gamified our political system.
They've gamified our political system where now it's not about the debate or the equivalent of the commentary or the culling commentator in the box.
No, it's about how many people can you run throughout the valley to scoop up and capture as many pieces of paper and get them in the box.
Ready said, go.
That's their idea of democracy.
It's bad for America, but now it's time we start to play the game and win.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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Thank you so much for listening.
God bless.
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