As Turning Point USA’s America Fest concludes, Charlie rolls his final podcast live from the Phoenix event. Joined by Producer Andrew, they recap the media’s faux outrage over what Fox News Host Jesse Watters told the audience about Anthony Fauci. Later in the episode, Editor-In-Chief of ‘The Post Millennial,’ Libby Emmons, joins Charlie to talk feminism, family, and how a New York City bred Columbia University graduate became red-pilled by the radical Left’s transgender agenda. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The Jesse Waters Non-Scandal00:09:11
Hey, everybody.
Today I'm the Charlie Kirk Show, live from Turning Point USA's America Fest.
We cover the Jesse Waters non-scandal that they're calling a scandal.
And then we have Libby Emmons from the postmillennial for a super interesting conversation of where did all the feminists go?
That's why we titled the episode, Where Did All the Feminists Go?
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Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
I want to thank Charlie.
He's an incredible guy.
His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
Turning point USA.
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
That's why we are here.
Andrew, you're part of the team, but it's been a pretty amazing couple days.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe I am biased.
I genuinely think, though, that I've heard more feedback from other people insisting, you know, coming up out of nowhere that maybe they know who I am, what I, you know, my role here.
And they're just like, I just need to stop you and tell you you guys have blown every expectation out of the water, which is really amazing to hear.
It also puts a lot of pressure on the next event.
We're not there yet.
We're still totally.
Charlie's still got a speech to give.
Kaylee McEnany is going to be taking the stage.
Brandon Tatum, Jack Hibbs, the amazing Madison Coffee.
Madison spoke yet?
Actually, no, I think he's today, right?
Yeah, Madison's today.
So it's a good lineup today.
It's a phenomenal lineup.
But you were saying just before we came on radio that, you know, we've been here, what, like four and a half days or whatever.
Like, yeah, and you were like, why does it feel like we've been here for three months?
We started our show on Friday.
We did our show Friday from here.
Yeah, well, we also were doing the influencer retreat.
There was a whole bunch of other stuff that happens around.
We dedicated a building at Turning Point USA's campus.
There was a block party.
Yeah, we interviewed Tucker on Saturday.
Yeah.
We did an investor presentation on Saturday morning.
So we've been there's been a lot going on.
Now there's, you know, we had Kyle Rittenhouse on the stage yesterday.
That was one of the most phenomenal experiences I've had working with this team, working with you through the years.
For those who maybe are catching up here at America Fest last night, Kyle Rittenhouse took a panel, but the way that it was structured was pretty phenomenal, I have to say.
It was basically Elijah Schaefer, Drew Hernandez, both that were there that day when it happened.
They were taking independent journalist footage with their iPhones or cameras.
There was Jack Posobiec, obviously, who's a part of the larger Turning Point family, but he was one of the largest proponents of it.
And then there was Charlie as well.
And you were the moderator.
Yeah, and they all came up and there was this empty chair in the middle.
And Charlie let everybody kind of introduce themselves to the thousands and thousands of people watching.
And then Charlie said, without further ado, Kyle Rittenhouse.
And there was, I mean, the explosion in the room was palpable.
The whole thing was shaking.
I think Kyle himself, he actually, as a matter of fact, he told me after the fact, he was completely overwhelmed.
Completely overwhelmed.
He said, I was just thankful I was still breathing.
But then at about three to five minutes in, he said he totally calmed down.
And you could see that where he just kind of hit his groove.
And it was an amazing experience for the audience.
People have come up to me a thousand times already to tell me.
We've had an amazing event, and everyone can check it out.
We're going to be posting a lot of the content that was done privately on our podcast feed and some incredible interviews with Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gates, also Senator Ted Cruz.
That was a really good conversation about what's really happening in Congress.
And he was terrific.
Dennis Prager, phenomenal conversation about life and morality and the Bible.
We also had, I'm trying to think, well, the Tucker interview was unbelievable.
Yeah.
People ask me what Tucker's like.
I mean, what do you tell people when people ask you what Tucker's like or when you're explaining how he is?
He's magnanimous, personal.
Such a gentleman.
He's very focused on you, and he's very curious.
I find that happy people are very curious.
That Dennis is very curious.
Dennis Prager is probably one of the happiest people on the planet.
Tucker is very happy.
And they're both very curious.
But Tucker also is, he's a very focused person.
And you could tell he's very organized.
And he's very happy.
And also, I think, very sincere.
And it's very rare in that industry to find that.
Yeah.
And I always tell people that some way, somehow, Tucker has found a way to focus on the most important things in life.
And he's dedicated 90% of his brain power to basically armchair philosophy, but it's really not.
It's so much deeper.
He's well read, but he kind of presents it like that.
And I think it makes it accessible.
More digestible.
So going viral right now, one of our speakers, my very good friend Jesse Waters, who I think very highly of, Jesse spoke yesterday.
I didn't get a chance to see his speech, but everyone said, man, Jesse was on his game.
And, you know, Jesse has spoke probably five to six times at Turning Point USA throughout the years, would you say?
Yeah.
And he kind of usually does the similar shtick.
And there's nothing wrong with it, right?
It's kind of like, I was a guy for Bill O'Reilly.
You know, this is Waters.
This is my world.
You know, you guys should do the same thing.
But it seemed like Jesse was really getting into the crowd, right?
He saw a different type of state, a different type of theatrics.
And again, I haven't seen the whole speech yet, but you could tell based on what he was telling the audience to do, he probably had a similar shtick.
And then he kind of incorporated this new thing.
Absolutely.
So he's what Jesse is always telling the audience to do is, you guys can do this too.
So what Jesse used to do for Bill O'Reilly, he used to show up at these people's houses, judges or prosecutors, or stab a mic in somebody's.
And he's like, why are you letting this child rape us off?
Why are you doing, you know what I mean?
Like really kind of really intense.
And so Jesse decided to tell the audience, which was terrific, that they should go and be grassroots journalists and do this to people in power, such as Anthony Fauci.
Yeah.
Funny enough, I would have never even paused on this clip.
And it is so.
It's so obvious.
It's so obvious he was using metaphors and he was using...
Well, it's also a double entendre with the shot.
But let's play the clip.
Let's go to 230.
I'm sick and tired of conservatives always playing defense.
I'm going to deputize all you guys to belittle James O'Keeffes, okay?
You got to ambush a guy like Fauci, okay?
This is how you do these ambushes, like O'Keefe.
First, you identify yourself.
Do you mind Dr. Fauci if I ask you a few questions?
You say, Dr. Fauci, why did you lie?
You're just going to speak gibberish.
You let him talk.
Get it on tape with your iPhone or your buddy's iPhone.
Now, we didn't actually get the.
Oh, the kill shot.
Yeah.
So the tape is longer than that, right?
And so then he goes up to say, and then he says, boom, you ask the question, and it's the kill shot.
Now, obviously, Andrew, what was he talking about?
He's talking about catching him out in his lies.
I mean, it's very obvious.
And something that would so humiliate him.
And so, I mean, he's already, his reputation is already in shatters amongst many conservatives and amongst freedom-loving patriots all around the country.
But something that would be so undeniably clear that he would lose all standing, even within the mainstream.
Let's be very sad with that.
If Jesse Waters would have been doing this at some sort of BLM or young Democrat socialists and saying that if you see Donald Trump Jr. and use the same thing, no one would have said anything.
The fact he went after the archangel, the person himself, the patron saint of the medical industrial Sir Anthony Fauci, that all of a sudden made everybody really uneasy.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, you have to understand how much the mainstream news media has invested in this guy, and they will protect him at all costs.
And let's be honest, the guy is the biggest vaccine pusher on planet Earth.
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In controversial waters, as always, with Jesse Waters.
I do need to explain my position on Christmas gifts, but because I think that people are totally misunderstanding.
People need to understand.
Our conversation in the break was all about how kids need to earn their Christmas gifts and how Truly believes this.
And this is the whole ethic behind the lump of coal.
My favorite word in the English language is earn.
I thought it was a phrase, work hard.
No, it's earn.
Prudy is my favorite word recently.
But yeah, earn.
I mean, and look, this is how I did this at Hillsdale College read, and it was charlie4hillsdale.com.
And of course, I was trying to get people's attention, and I did, which is that if kids are goofing around and not participating in proper moral behavior, why would you reward that on Christmas morning?
That's what coal is all about.
Yeah, that's that was the old, you know, saying, you know, he knows if you're naughty or nice.
And there's a whole idea of the naughty list was to try to say that we are going to punish you if you're lying and like stealing things.
Or at least fail to reward you or choose not to reward you.
Of course.
No, this whole idea that like I grew up in my parents were very clear about what was right and what was wrong.
100%.
And I don't know.
Anyways, Charlie's getting hate mail, basically.
Well, I mean, like, I think people are misunderstanding.
That's fine.
You could disagree.
It's not hate mail.
It's definitely like, Charlie, why are you saying this?
Well, they're saying it's the wrong concept for Christmas.
And yes, of course, salvation through Christ is a gift, obviously.
That's the only thing that's important.
That's why we give gifts to celebrate.
But life is not a gift.
Life is an investment.
Life is not a gift.
That's an Eastern belief.
It's nowhere in the Bible.
Life is God pouring into you with an expectation you're going to do something with.
I could prove it to you.
Andrew, what did you get for Christmas four years ago?
No one remembers.
What'd you get for Christmas last year?
No one remembers their gifts.
But I say, Andrew, do you remember when someone really poured into you and invested you?
A coach, a teacher?
Of course.
Investments are valued way more than gifts.
We disregard gifts.
We actually value investments.
If you want to actually raise a child well, then invest in them.
Don't just give them gifts.
Well, speaking of gifts, triggered parents, continue to email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Okay.
Speaking of gifts, Jesse Water gave the world one.
Yes.
Yes, Jesus.
And again, I want to be very clear: life is special, but life is not a gift.
Life is an investment.
All right.
It's a different thing.
Okay.
No, I think you're right.
So let's go to, do we have the full clip?
Okay, let's do the full clip.
Cut 37, Jesse Waters got himself in some trouble with the media.
He said nothing wrong.
Turning point USA America Fest.
Jesse, we have your back.
Cut 37.
I'm going to deputize all you guys to belittle James O'Keeffes.
Okay.
You got to ambush a guy like Fauci.
Okay.
First, you identify yourself.
Do you mind, Dr. Fauci, if I ask you a few questions?
You say, Dr. Fauci, why did you lie?
Now you're going for the kill shot.
The kill shot with an ambush, deadly.
Because he doesn't see it coming.
This is when you say, Dr. Fauci, you funded risky research at a sloppy Chinese lab.
The same lab that sprung this pandemic on the world.
I find nothing wrong with that.
No, and it's all intentionally trying to snipe his semantics, right?
Well, we should play what Fauci said.
Okay.
31.
Play Cut 31.
On the subject of divisiveness, Dr. Fauci.
I'm not going to play it because, frankly, I think it's dangerous.
But Jesse Waters, who is a Fox News entertainer, was giving a speech to a conservative group where he talked about you and suggested to the crowd that they ambush you with what he said was some kind of rhetorical kill shot.
You have some guy out there saying that people should be giving me a kill shot to ambush me.
I mean, what kind of craziness is there in society these days?
That's awful that he said that.
And he's going to go very likely unaccountable.
I mean, whatever network he's on is not going to do anything for him.
I mean, that's crazy.
The guy should be fired on the spot.
Of course, that's not what he was talking about, though.
He was talking about asking Fauci questions.
And here's the context: Jesse Waters started his career putting mics in people's faces and ambushing them to get the truth.
Okay.
It's so plainly obvious.
This is all ridiculous.
And Fauci playing the victim and acting like he's actually telling people to go shoot him or cause violence upon him is such a joke.
And it's the same kind of lying and propagandizing and gaslighting that these people do, you know, when it with real important things like, I don't know, locking down the nation.
So I'm sorry if I don't, you know, take this with a grain of salt, Fauci, because basically that's what I do with every other thing.
Well, look, I mean, it's also called metaphors and it's called using language in a way to try to prove a point.
And so we have to, and it's obviously, you know, gaslighting Fauci, the one who's actually killed people and people that's actually been hurt by his measures, I should say.
Fauci hasn't directly killed people, but Fauci, through what he's been doing, has really hurt people's lives in a variety of ways.
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With us is Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial.
Yep, here I am.
Wonderful website.
Thanks.
And it's Canadian, right?
Yeah, we're based in Canada.
We have a pretty big American news side.
And I'm in America.
I'm in New York.
Yeah, good.
You're an American?
I sure am.
Well, we love Canadians too, but they've lost their mind, quite a bit.
So it's your first America Fest.
What do you think?
It sure is.
I was really invigorated by it.
I thought it was fascinating.
I love to see how many people came out for this event.
You know, it's like conservative culture has taken a backseat for so long.
And there is obviously such a big hunger for it.
And to see all of the students and people of all ages coming out to take part in that was really pretty amazing.
From all across the country.
And you guys have done a great job covering it.
Thank you.
Thanks.
And you covered the Kyle segment, and it's thepostmillennial.com.
Thepostmillennial.com.
Yeah, you do a wonderful job.
So you're a journalist.
Yeah.
And you went to Columbia.
I did go to Columbia, not for journalism.
Yeah, to be a playwright.
Right, that's right.
I got my degree in theater.
Yeah.
And I wrote plays for a very long time.
I spent a long time doing theater in New York and Philadelphia.
Mostly I was doing independent theater downtown.
So not Broadway or...
No, I was not doing Broadway.
I was writing plays and producing them downtown, small theaters.
I had a theater series that took place in bars that we ran for a long time.
That was a pretty excellent show.
Well, that's awesome.
And now you're like a rabid right-winger.
Right.
Now I'm a conservative journalist.
Yes, I don't know.
I'm going to go from Hamlet to I guess it actually fits if you actually read Shakespeare.
But I mean, I'm guessing you weren't doing, you were doing original new plays.
I was doing original new plays.
I did work on a Macbeth show and whatever else, but in Argentina for a while.
But yeah, so essentially I had started writing satire about transgender ideology.
I wrote a satire called How to Sell Your Gang Rape Baby for Parts, which was anti-abortion and like anti-trans ideology and pro motherhood and all of these other things.
But depending on how you watched it, you would think that I was satirizing the other side, which was sort of interesting.
And that was a really wild show.
There would be nights in the audience.
So it actually ended up being a show.
Oh, yeah.
We ran for a bit.
There would be nights in the audience where people would just be like shocked and other nights where people would be horrified laughing.
And it was pretty great.
It really addressed a lot of those things.
Eventually, I wrote an article in Quillette about transhumanism and transgender ideology, the problems with these things.
And that turned out to be the end of my career.
And the beginning of a new one.
The beginning of a new one.
I think the first ever satire piece was that one, you would know it, where they say they want to eat children or something, right?
Eat children.
I don't remember this.
Yeah, this was like the first ever satire piece.
It was like in 1880 in a newspaper.
Oh, yeah.
You know what I'm talking about?
Yeah, it was the first ever satire piece.
People took it seriously.
They sure did.
In order to save our, you know, in order to feed our population, let's just eat our children because we can have them so easily.
And it was the first ever satire.
I'm not kidding.
It was the first episode.
You could look at the picture.
I forget who wrote that, but I remember that.
It was the first ever piece of satire.
Production.
Satire is where it's so close to the truth, it's almost indistinguishable.
And that's sort of what happened with my piece.
But then I had to just speak out fully.
And what year was this?
Now I'm doing this.
That was 2018.
Prior to that, I had.
You have found actors for this in 18?
I performed in it with my friend.
Was it a two-person?
It was a two-hander.
Oh, yeah, I was going to say, to get a whole staff of people.
Yeah, but we produced it with my feminist theater collective.
Your feminist, what's that?
Well, it was a collective of women that I was working with.
And it folded after I came out as someone who didn't think women could become men.
Well, like, so that's a really interesting thing that I understand.
You're really nice.
Most feminists are not.
And they're really angry.
And I'm offending you.
I don't mean to.
They're just super awful to me.
And they, for whatever reason, seem to be really focused on female identity, and yet okay, with men wanting to become.
It's so weird.
It makes absolutely no sense.
Why don't they get angry about that?
I don't know.
The only thing that I can figure out and I wrote about this this morning um, or I published an article about it this morning the only thing that I can figure out is that uh, this is excuse the impending hate mail is that women perhaps are as compliant as gender stereotypes may suggest, and so when a man comes over and says actually, i'm a woman, women are like, oh okay, I don't want to offend you, i'll just, i'll just go along with that.
Um, it's almost as though this concept that feminists created, where gender is something separate from biological sex, has completely destroyed the entire feminist movement.
Because if gender is something different um, what is it?
Well, it is this thing where we are, you know, going to demure in the face of controversy.
Uh, we're going to accept men's definition of what women are.
It's like a completely backwards.
Um, it's like feminism took everything that it said it was standing for and did the exact reverse of it.
So I think that kind of that's what's going on, turns out, women are really easy to push around, especially if you're a big man in a dress with crazy eyes, right?
What are you going to do in the face of that?
So your argument is that like this is the new form of like 1400s patriarchs.
Yes, I do think that it is that.
I do think that it is that.
I mean, because if you think about it, prior to the emergence of transgender ideology as a this big push in culture, it wasn't a big deal for a person who, a man who lived as a woman, to actually use a women's facility.
Nobody cared.
It wasn't an issue.
And there was sympathy for that.
But what you have now is you have men who are not just identifying as women, but taking all of the masculinity that they have as well and saying that that masculinity is actually a female thing.
And that's insane.
Yeah, I think that, and I don't think you'll get any hate mail, women are more compliant.
Women are more compliant than men.
Men are more disagreeable.
Men ask for raises more.
Men are more likely to go and fight with a, you know, fight with somebody at a flight check-in desk.
We want them to, right?
We want men to take greater life.
We want them to go out there and do all of the hard jobs so that women can actually, you know, further the existence of humanity.
Well, I totally agree.
And you're not allowed to say any of this stuff, which just makes it sound fun.
Again, we're in a place where we enjoy it.
It's so refreshing to hear this.
But I guess the question is that feminists, the whole idea feminists, is that we're going to be disagreeable, right?
I mean, that like we're going to embrace our inner bra-burning, right?
This kind of angry woman.
I know that.
I mean, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but like, I mean, the kind of the pink hat thing didn't exactly seem overly pleasant.
Well, the pink hat thing was pretty weird, too.
I was actually at that first women's conference.
On the 17th.
Yeah.
Day after the 21st.
Yeah.
Saturday or something.
Yeah.
I went down with my feminist theater collective.
We went down there.
And there were the, you know, the pink hats.
They were everywhere.
And there were like essentially BLM activists taking pictures at selfies of themselves with women wearing the pink hats in the background and then posting things about how horrible white feminism is.
And I'm like, this is, this is not the way forward.
So were you red-pilled yet at the time?
I was like super close.
Okay.
Super close.
So were you going as like a spectator or as a participant?
It was a little of both.
Mostly we were wandering around.
Yeah.
So could I ask who you voted for in 16?
I voted for Hillary Clinton.
Wow.
Okay.
I sure did.
You voted for Hillary.
Yes.
You live in Brooklyn.
I sure do.
Yeah.
You come down to DC, you know, you get off the train or whatever, and you see a bunch of pink hats.
And then you're kind of processing this in real time.
Like, do I actually believe this?
Is that really?
I mean, yeah.
And I was not in favor of abortion at that point.
I mean, I was raised Catholic.
I was never okay with abortion.
Yeah.
But I mean, I was also, you know, there was this concept of safe, legal, and rare.
And I thought, okay, if we're safe, if we're legal, if we're rare.
But once you started in with the like, shout your abortion, I'm like, no, don't, this is a terrible thing.
This is a terrible thing.
I completely agree with you.
But also, right after the election in 2016, I was part of a theater project that's called Rapid Response.
It's like whatever, this activist theater project.
And it was to have instant responses about the election.
And the piece that I wrote basically said, okay, so I didn't vote for you, but I really wish you the best, President Trump.
I really hope you do a great job because if you do a great job, the country does a great job.
And that's what we want, right?
So, you know, lead with my blessing and support because I want the country to succeed.
I want us to, you know, do well.
And all of the other pieces were, it was this instant thing.
I don't know if you remember, but the instant thing was resist, resist.
Yes, that's correct.
I kept being like, but what are we resisting?
There haven't been any policies yet.
And then as the policies would come down the pike, I'd be like, that's actually a good policy.
Well, that's really not so bad.
I like that one.
That one I'm not so keen on, but that one's pretty good.
You know, take it as it comes.
It's like a buffet line.
Yeah.
And, you know, this is the nation.
Don't resist the nation.
What are we doing?
It sure turned into that pretty quickly.
And it sure turned into that pretty quickly.
And then it turned out that Trump was actually the anti-war president.
Yes.
And my whole life, I wanted to vote for someone who was anti-war.
And I was like, this guy is legit opposed to war.
Nobody else is.
Hillary Clinton isn't opposed to war.
She seems to like it.
You know, what's going on here?
And so to see, in fact, liberal policies be put in place by Trump and my friends hate them.
I'm like, but you guys, you're not reading.
You're not paying attention.
How can you possibly be resisting something that a year ago you wanted?
What's the deal?
So then you just, you just, you just took the red pill.
It took a little bit, but yeah.
And I was writing for the Federalists.
Okay.
So.
And then next thing you know, the next thing you know.
But the transgender thing probably, as it's become more mainstream and hyper-aggressive, you've probably been like, this is.
It's infuriating to see men competing in women's sports.
It's cheating.
And the Olympic Commission has now said you don't even need to suppress your testosterone levels, which was already a garbage policy.
And now you don't even need to do that.
So it's like, I think all women, and I agree with Jack Pisobic on this too, all women, I think we should all be just completely boycotting the Olympics for so many reasons.
Yes.
We should be completely boycotting them.
Yeah, for China, for China's reasons.
Yeah.
So that's really fascinating and interesting.
I was wrong about something where I thought that Upper East Side women wouldn't tolerate the fact that their daughters have to compete against dudes.
I was wrong.
Yeah.
And that just goes to show the power of the New York Times and Harvard and Columbia.
And lies.
The power of the lies.
Yeah, totally.
Exactly.
But I just, I'm super interested in this because I grew up around a lot of feminists in the North Shore of Chicago.
I just kind of, you know, and again, just, I hate stereotyping, but it's just like the feminists in that community tend to just have this really specific political worldview.
The most important thing is that I'm a woman and don't tell me what to do.
And like womanhood is really important.
And now I look back at that.
I'm like, I actually kind of really agree with the underlying premise of that.
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We get these wonderful emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Someone says, Charlie, you shouldn't have had Kyle Rittenhouse because he murdered two people.
You see, this is why people need to read the Torah.
They have no idea what the Bible, murdering and killing are two different things.
Yes, that's correct.
And the Ten Commandments says, thou shalt not murder.
Does not say thou shalt not kill.
Killing in self-defense is moral.
Anyway, just I want to make sure it's, it's a total side note.
So, are more feminists waking up?
And I'm not calling you a feminist, by the way.
You could call yourself that you want.
I don't feel like you're not.
Yeah, I'm not concerned with labor.
Well, if you're just smart and interesting, who cares?
So, are more kind of feminists waking up, the glorious dynames?
You know, I'm not sure.
I haven't talked to a lot of feminists in a while, but that's why you're so happy.
I will say that I have seen more liberal women starting to come around.
And I will get, yeah, I'll get DMs from moms and stuff who are saying, like, my daughter now thinks she's a boy.
What am I supposed to do?
You know, and I'm like, And these are left-wingers, left-wingers, yeah, liberal women.
And there's a lot of liberal women too who are being slowly red-pilled by the way that their kids are being treated in schools, by the gender curriculum, the gender, all of that stuff.
The alphabet mafia.
The alphabet soup stuff.
As my son calls it, the alphabet soup people.
How old's your son?
He's in sixth grade.
Yeah, keep an eye on him.
I don't think he'll be.
He's actually, he's spectacular.
He's doing great.
But we talk about this stuff.
He's very open.
And he says, you know, the alphabet soup people brought a bunch of flags to school today.
Oh, my gosh.
And I'm like, what'd you do?
He's like, I sat over there with my friend, Mike Tree.
Truly radicalized.
He's going to be truly radical.
In a good way.
I mean that.
Radical means to the root.
Yeah.
I mean, he's able to think for himself.
Yeah, and that's very big.
He'll know all their tactics and games.
Have him come to a turning point conference.
I think he'll love it.
So, yeah, I'm just super interested in this topic because, again, I grew up around a lot of feminists that were really intense about what it means to be a woman and womanhood and getting men out of their life and whatever.
Like, obviously, I think that's making sense.
But the underlying principle is that there is such a thing as a woman.
There are women.
Women do exist.
Fascinatingly enough, they are different from men.
Their bodies are different.
Their brain chemistry is different.
Their desires are different.
Their desires are different.
Raising Independent Thinkers00:02:46
I saw this at a very young age.
My mom was a feminist.
She was a corporate attorney.
She was wildly successful.
I didn't grow up with her.
I grew up with my dad.
After my parents split, I grew up with my dad and eventually his second wife, who really wanted to be a mom.
Her whole thing was she wanted to be a stay-at-home mom.
She would make me a cake on the first day of school.
You know, she was very intent on making sure that I knew how to take care of a home, that I knew how to take care of myself and to take care of my family while my mom was doing all of the successful things that she was doing.
And I was very proud of my mom.
But when I had a child, to me, I was like, okay, so I never want to work full-time again.
I always want to be able to drop him off at school.
I want to be here when he gets home.
I wanted to, and I went full in on the mom stuff.
And it turns out that that's the best thing in the world.
Like mothering my child is like, I could not, I could not ask for anything more fulfilling or great than that.
And I'm a journalist.
I had a career in the arts.
You know, there's nothing better than raising my child.
I want every woman to hear that.
It's the truth.
It's the truth.
My only regret is that like, maybe I don't have another child.
You can always adopt more.
Now, do you have a male partner that's helping raise the child?
My son's dad is very much in his life and he's a great dad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And people should have lots of children.
Now, it's a beautiful thing because you had a great career.
You still have a great career.
And you found meaning and a way to continue your life experience forward and beyond yourself.
Right.
And that's really what I think is missing, especially in Manhattan.
That's the least married city in America.
I don't quite understand.
You know, I don't know why people don't want to stick together and raise families together.
In secret it's terrible.
Right.
And they want to try to pursue some, be a vice president, Goldman Sachs or something.
Well, yeah, I think that we have sold women a false bill of goods when we tell them that they need to get their graduate degree before starting a family or that their careers are going to be more fulfilling.
And I think we see that in the generation of women who did pursue their goals in that way, and now they're finding that they're missing out on so much.
Women really value relationships, I think, across the board.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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