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Dec. 22, 2021 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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How Two Teens Survived Endless Lockdowns, Depression, and Suicide
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Pastor Rob Fills In 00:02:16
Hey, everybody.
Today on the Charlie Kirk show, my pastor, the wonderful Pastor Rob McCoy from God Speak Calvary Chapel in Thousand Oaks, California, fills in for me as I was closing out Turning Point USA's America Fest, where he interviewed two amazing young people.
One of them tried to commit suicide and survived.
And he attributes part of his healing process to Turning Point USA.
It's very special.
So for those of you that support the show at charliekirk.com/slash support or support us at Turning Point USA or start a high school or college chapter and help strengthen our movement, you're part of something bigger than yourself.
It's very special, very unique.
And thank you to Pastor Rob McCoy for hosting this show.
We deeply appreciate it.
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I'm going to let this episode speak for itself.
Buckle up.
Here we go.
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Well, thanks for joining us on the Charlie Kirk show.
And you can tell by my voice, I'm not Charlie Kirk.
Charlie True and Audible.
He'd be a really good quarterback.
My name's Rob McCoy.
I'm Charlie Kirk's pastor.
And Charlie, of course, we're here at America Fest, and Charlie has to speak.
So he's out there right now, just busting it in front of 10,000 kids.
And it is an amazing four days that we've experienced here.
And I'm thrilled because Charlie asked me to come on and to bring two guests on that you are going to be blown away by.
Surviving Hospital Isolation 00:06:58
I have the privilege to walk through the facilities while this event's going on and I get to meet people and hear their stories.
But actually, with one of our guests, I met her in Washington State when I was up there speaking at an event.
And this young lady is persistent.
And she just kept coming at me and kept following up.
I gave her my number.
I said, let me see how I can help.
She told me her story.
And I get hundreds of texts a day.
And I said, and she took me up on it.
I said, look, if I don't respond, just keep doing it.
I give you permission to bug me.
And she didn't bug me, but she was persistent.
And her name is Melanie.
And you're going to hear this story.
It's going to rip your heart out.
It's so precious.
And I'm not going to tell it.
I'll set the stage for you.
But this is what Turning Point's about.
And this is how Charlie Kirk is touching lives.
And I'm so thankful for this man.
Melanie, I want the folks to meet you.
This is Melanie Gabriel.
Tell everyone how old you are and where you're from.
Yeah, so I'm from Vancouver, Washington.
I'm 14 years old, but when this had all started, I was 13 years old.
And tell them what started.
So I have a legitimate medical condition that physically keeps me from wearing a mask.
And when I brought it to my school, we came up with a few accommodations that I could go to school maskless and everybody could still feel safe in somewhat of a way.
So these accommodations would include arriving at school as a separate time of anyone.
I'd leave school at a separate time.
I'd have separate passing periods than everyone.
I'd sit in the back of the classroom.
Like a little bit of apartheid here.
Yeah.
All right.
And I'd have to carry papers with me so that if any.
If anybody asked me why I was maskless, I could hand over my papers.
Now, wait a minute.
That was a joke.
But you're Jewish.
Yeah.
And that's kind of frightening, isn't it?
Yes.
I'm sorry, Melly.
Go ahead.
So we had agreed on those.
We asked them to take out the papers part since it was extremely offensive to me.
And they did.
So I come to my first day of school, and when I get there, the doors are locked and we're not allowed in the building.
They say, unless you put a mask on, you can't go into school.
And you've got a medical condition.
Yeah, I did.
And you've got legitimacy on this.
So what happens at this point?
And now you're an AP student.
You're a really good student.
You're smart.
Not like me.
You are smart.
Yeah, I'd applied for the SMT program, which is science, meth, and technology that you have to have a certain set of skills to get into.
So I was really excited to go to school at my school.
But when we figured out that they weren't going to let us in, we went home.
We didn't know what else to do.
But on the second day, we weren't going to put up with that anymore.
It's not fair.
I have a right to an equal education.
So when we got there, my principal and a security guard was there, and I had to force my way through them to get into class.
And I made it to all my classes that day, but I really wasn't able to learn anything because I was constantly being harassed about not wearing a mask.
So what happens?
Now, do they end up putting you in a different part of the school?
Are you alienated, ostracized?
What happens?
Well, currently, if I choose to go to school, which I haven't been to school in quite a while, because they won't accommodate you.
Yeah, no, they won't accommodate me.
Their accommodations are they take me out of my mainstream classes, so my SMT classes, and they put me in a credit recovery class for seniors who are failing high school.
And I have to sit in a three-wall plexiglass box.
So your mom, Megan, her tax dollars with this public education, you're now relegated to the back of the, I mean, you're just, it's awful what they've done to you.
Yeah.
And in the course of this, you're watching friends go through depression.
When you met me, you were 13.
Now you're 14.
Yeah.
You're watching friends go through depression.
And you lost two friends to suicide.
Is that what I heard?
Yeah, I've lost two.
Okay, so sitting to your left is this young man, and you met him.
And his name, you go by Tay.
Tay or Tay.
Tavin.
Tay.
I'm going to call you Tay.
I like it.
Tay, you're 14.
Yes.
And you were living in Washington.
You're now here in Arizona because you're going to the Brain Institute getting medical conditions.
So you were helping folks who were suffering with depression, your age group.
And you hear about Tay.
Tay, you're standing.
You're a miracle, man.
You should be dead right now.
I should, yeah.
You were so depressed.
Talking to the mic if you went.
You were so depressed that what did you do?
Tell the folks who were listening.
So at age 13, I took a nine millimeter and I shot myself.
And I had like a 2% chance of survival.
I was in coma for nine days.
Tay, I'm so sorry, man.
No, you're good.
So it was a lot of like hospital therapy at first.
And then we made the decision to move down here because Barrows is down here and it's the largest neurological institution in the world.
Let me back it up.
What would bring you to a place where you would put a gun to the back of your head at four or 13 years of age?
The whole world's in front of you.
What depressed you so much, Day?
It was just like the lockdowns and there was no social interaction whatsoever.
Nothing.
Like you could talk to your family, but that was it.
And nobody's talking about this.
We're isolating you for a 99.7% survival.
We can mess with it.
I mean, but we know.
But they don't talk about what you are dealing with.
Your generation and the depression sitting in front of me is a 14-year-old young man who had a 2% chance of living.
And I know, I can see the paralysis, but that smile is captivating.
Are you happy to be alive, Dave?
Oh, way.
And it was a big mistake.
And how did the two of you guys meet?
Because you guys seem like two peas in a pot.
Friends.
Best of friends.
Yeah, so I heard about Taven, and I was really interested in his story.
I just, I couldn't believe that he survived that.
So I reached out to him.
Will you go to the hospital?
So since COVID, I wasn't allowed to go visit him in the hospital.
Everybody gets isolated.
Yeah.
And apparently, I was doing an interview talking about my friends who had successfully committed.
And apparently, Taven's dad had seen me on the news in the hospital talking about youth mental health.
And so it was kind of like a mutual connection.
We both reached out to each other.
And the day Taven got out of the hospital, I went over to his house and I hung out with him from the moment he was out of the hospital till he left for Arizona.
Good Ranchers Gift 00:02:48
That's precious.
And now he's in Arizona.
You miss him?
I miss him so much.
Well, I'm glad you guys are good.
Now, tell me, is this your first time in a turning point event, Day?
Yeah, I know.
It's my first time and first time being on the podcast.
Tell everybody what brought you to Turning Point and what have these four days meant to you?
The four days mean a ton to me, and I didn't expect as much as I'm getting out of it.
Like, there's so many cool people here.
And do you hate America?
No.
Not even in the slightest.
Do you have a bright future ahead of you?
I think so.
Yeah.
Hope so.
Yeah, I can see it in his eyes.
It's so cool.
Melanie, share with folks, you have a heart for your generation and the depression they're going through.
Yeah.
You have been interceding on behalf of guys like Day and others because your heart's been broken by your friends that you lost.
And now you're isolated.
You want the story to get out.
Is that right?
Yeah.
So why did you bug me?
I'm messing with you.
Well, you're like an inspiration to me.
You know how to talk.
You know how to grasp people's attention.
I wasn't looking for a compliment, Melanie.
What I was looking for, I'm sorry.
I was trying to set you up there.
But really, what I was trying to say was simply this.
You were persistent and you're persistent for your generation.
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Finding Reason to Keep Going 00:04:14
Folks across the country need to hear this because we're talking about a fear of a virus and we're watching a generation being so adversely affected by the tyrannical lockdown orders and you both lost your schools and you lost friends.
Tay, you almost lost your life.
So in front of me is Melanie Gabriel.
And Melanie's 14 years young.
I met her when she was 13 when I was in Washington.
You came up to me and you wanted to tell me that here you are, a straight A student, AP, you want to go into, you know, you love education.
I'm not smart.
You are.
And you are being ostracized.
It's basically medical apartheid because you have a medical condition and you cannot wear a mask.
They isolate you and put you in a remedial class.
Your mom Megan's paying tax dollars and you're not getting the education that is promised to us.
And so you're struggling.
So you're not in school.
They're not even, that's just not happening anymore.
You went before the school board at your age to take them on and to contend with them.
And in the midst of all that you're dealing with, you lose two friends to suicide because your entire generation is dealing with depression.
And none of these medical officers and these officials are talking about it.
You lost two friends to suicide.
And then you hear about this young man who you tried to try to kill yourself.
You put a, what's it, nine millimeters of what you said?
Yeah.
To the back of your head.
And you had a 2% chance of living.
Now you're in front of us.
You're a walking miracle.
And you reached out and the two of you are friends.
The two of you can speak to the rest of the nation about how your generation is being so adversely affected by this insanity.
Melanie, you have America's audience listening on the Charlie Kirk show.
Tell everyone what it's done to your generation.
What has this done?
These lockdowns.
Tell me.
I know, like youth suicide rates have gone.
They've skyrocketed during the pandemic.
And a lot of teenagers are getting really depressed.
And they just, with everything closed and everything being taken away from them, they find it hard to find a reason to keep going.
I know I've found myself being like, this is this two weeks to flatten the curb is dragged on for so long.
Is it ever going to get better?
I always say the last variant of COVID is going to be totalitarianism.
But you're in Washington.
I'm in California.
And I think this is, we're in two of the nine states that have draconian measures.
Now you're here with the health that you're dealing with in Arizona.
So you get to enjoy kind of somewhat of a freer state.
And we don't have to wear masks and things, even though there's, but you and I have to deal with that in Washington and California.
Yeah.
And it's massive depression.
What's happened with your generation?
Tell me about your friends, and especially the two you lost.
Yeah.
So my two friends, Olivia and London, they took their lives a week apart from each other.
And it was because of the lockdowns.
All of their sports closed.
London was a star on her volleyball team.
And they couldn't see their friends anymore.
They couldn't go to school.
Everything was shut down.
And they couldn't find a reason to keep going anymore.
You have a reason to keep going.
You keep ministering to people, caring for them.
Now, we're not of the same faith.
You're Jewish.
I'm Christian.
Have we even talked about really your faith, but it doesn't matter.
You're remarkable.
And now tell everyone out there.
We got a little bit of time left.
Everybody out there right now, what brought you to this place of despair?
Because everyone will be able to see it in that generation.
Uh, there was like no sports were open, uh, every single one that you had closed.
Uh, the schools they were shut, like the schools were all shut down.
Uh, you had to wear masks, and you it was like parents wouldn't let their children outside because they were scared of COVID.
And you were you were enveloped in fear.
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I asked you what brought you to that place of depression that you would want to take your life, put a gun to the back of your head and pull that trigger, and you had a 2% chance of living.
And you said something that absolutely stunned me.
I want America to hear this.
You said, I thought it would what I thought it wouldn't like end ever.
I thought it was permanent.
The lockdowns would never end.
Yeah.
At 14 years of age, we're two years into this.
That's one seventh of your life.
I'm 57.
It's like, I will get through this.
It's just an administration, and they're stupid.
But this is your life.
And that was one seven.
That's the depression you guys are feeling.
You can't process this.
Your schools are closed.
Your friendships are shuttered.
Your life is dramatically changed.
There's no dances.
There's no proms.
There's no football games.
It's all gone.
And you're Melanie.
Two of your friends, as you shared, she was a volleyball player, star volleyball player.
She's gone.
Yeah.
This, that's, America, did you hear that?
This will never end.
This is this is what the young people are feeling as we're sequestering them, shuttering them, especially in nine of the 50 states that have draconian measures.
You and I, Melanie, live in two of those, California and Washington.
And where are these health officials talking about the trauma on our teenagers?
They're not.
Yeah, no, they aren't.
Melanie, you want to add anything to that?
Because I know, Tate, that was such a profound statement.
This will never end.
You want to add to that?
I think he's totally right.
I know it's how I felt.
I know that's how London and Olivia felt.
And I bet that's how most of America's youth felt.
That this is just never going to end.
This is just how we're going to live for the rest of our lives.
And it takes away our childhood.
Like we're growing up.
And the past two years, I didn't know.
Like, am I going to be able to have a normal high school experience?
Am I going to be able to go to prom like a normal kid?
Am I going to be able to do all of these things that I was so excited for?
Like it was so scary thinking about all of that being taken away from me.
Well, and I'm, and I'm, like I said to the folks, I've met you in Washington, but I met you here at the turning point event, hey, and you were brought here.
Melanie brought you.
Right.
And this has been four days of fun for you guys.
Oh, yeah.
Remarkable speakers.
You know, Officer Tatum.
I mean, we had Jack Hibbs speak.
We can go down the list of the folks who've come.
Who's been your favorite speaker and what has it meant to you?
Because I see two bright, smiling faces in front of me, a hope for the future, a love for America.
You don't hate America.
And your mom was telling me, Melanie, that she was, you red-pilled her.
Well done, girl.
All right.
So, so, so, who've been your favorites?
And how's it, how's it inspired you?
Uh, Kyle Rittenhouse is definitely wasn't he remarkable?
Yeah.
Uh, he's definitely my favorite because he was just so genuine and like straightforward.
Yeah.
And like he was so emotional.
So you could tell like he was being pure.
I had a chance to talk with him afterwards, and there's no guile in him.
He's just a genuine down-to-earth guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And vilified in the media.
Melanie, how about you, dear?
Definitely, Kyle Rittenhouse.
Oh, gosh.
You got a little crush on him?
Who are we going on that one?
We smiled on that one.
I wasn't sure.
So, but, but you enjoyed him.
Yeah, he's definitely an inspiration to the youth.
Yeah.
He did everything right.
He did everything right.
Yeah.
No matter what the media says about him, he keeps a smile on his face.
He pushes through it.
His perseverance is really inspiring.
The fact that he was able to live through that and go through all the court stuff, it's just, it's inspiring.
Yeah.
Standing up.
Yeah.
All right.
Second favorite.
Because you both have the same one, so we can't.
I'd say Charlie, just because, I mean, he's hosted this event and he's put, I mean, he's had so many people come together for this.
And it's just like super cool.
I agree.
You know, as much as I love Charlie, I'm going to have to go with Tucker.
I could not stop laughing during his speech.
Tucker's a funny guy.
He's so amazing.
It seems like when he comes to these events, he takes his tie off.
He relaxes.
And he came out and he was stunned at the size of the crowd.
10,000 people here.
He said it's the largest crowd he'd ever spoken to.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tucker's, Tucker's pretty amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so has this given you a hope for your future at 14?
I know both of you have been through trauma.
I know that the current administration and all that's happening to your generation is overwhelming.
But tell me, how has this encouraged you?
I think for me personally, I've seen a lot of college students here.
Yeah.
I've seen a few high school students here as well.
So knowing that there are people closer to my age that have the same beliefs as me, who do want to like stand up for freedom and stuff is, it gives me hope.
And I think if we can educate others about what we believe, I think I know I've talked to quite a few people who have changed their ideas about certain things.
Your mom being one of them.
My mom being one of them.
Yeah.
I think with enough information and enough persuasion, we can take back the youth and we can take back America.
Man.
Well, how about you?
Tay, tell everybody what.
I just really like.
Well, I mean, like, I also, I really like, and I also really don't like how The administration is treating everybody.
Yeah.
Because they're treating everybody like garbage, quite frankly.
But it's mostly children because like the youth, as you were saying, they're just being put down and put in the gutter.
Yeah, you're being manipulated and you're being used as a pawn.
It seems to me.
That would be my thought.
Well, it's age discrimination is really what it is.
Because we're children, we're inferior.
And they're going to tell you what to do.
Yeah.
That is not a constitutional republic.
No.
Yeah.
That's an oligarchy.
And you come here and you start to realize that these freedoms only come when you exercise them.
Will you share with the folks, Melanie, what'd you do at the school board?
You're 14.
Come on.
What'd you do, bro?
So I, at the end of our school board, our end of our last in-person school board meeting, I served my board with legal documents and I told them that.
Wait, wait, wait.
Your mom's a single parent.
You don't have money for an attorney.
Where'd you get the attorney?
You didn't have one.
No, it was just me and my mom.
Yeah.
You guys read.
Yeah, we did some heavy research and we read it all.
We wrote it up and we served them with it and we told them that your recall petitions are on their way.
We're working on signatures to get them.
We're going to get it.
So you're going to get a recall petition in your community at 14 years of age.
You just looked at them and you said, I'm not taking this anymore.
If adults aren't going to do it, I'm going to do it.
And I don't want to dismiss your mom because she's been with you every step of the way.
I'm just trying to encourage folks out there.
You have a generation that needs your help.
Yeah.
And they're being absolutely bludgeoned by tyranny to the point where they want to take their life and attempt to take their life.
And now they want their life back.
I think, Tay, I think even your survival is a picture of your generation.
Yeah.
It was hopeless.
And I'm looking at you now and there's not hopelessness in your eyes.
No.
You're pretty excited.
I'm excited for what's next.
Yeah.
So what do you guys?
What do you want to do?
You're 14.
What do you want to do?
First of all, we want to get through this mess and you want to fight to end it next.
I don't really know yet because I'm also 14.
So I'm not ready for the decisions yet.
Yeah.
But yeah, I'm just hoping to make America greater.
I love that.
Go Tay.
Melanie?
I think for about two or three years now, I've had a step-by-step plan on how I want to live life.
Shocking.
I plan on going to college for political science and becoming a lawyer for a few years, probably like four or five years, and then slowly working my way up through the government and hopefully becoming president one day.
That's my home for Melanie Gabriel for president.
Thank you.
Yeah, that's great.
No aspirations for office day?
I don't know yet because like I don't know if being president fit me.
I think it would fit her better.
Oh, vice president.
How about that?
No, I'd be completely fine with that.
Yeah, no, I'd do that.
It just seems like a lot of work.
I mean, I definitely think I could do better than Biden right now.
Yeah.
How could you guys, I mean, your mom, by your own admission, was not a conservative.
How did you guys come to a place where you want to come to a turning point of that, where you're hearing the premier conservative speakers in America?
Why would 14-year-olds want to come and listen to people talk?
What's wrong with you people?
Yeah, my mom tells me that all the time.
She's like, you know, normal girls fangirl over Justin Bieber, but you're over here screaming over Kyle Rittenhouse.
I think it is funny that we're so engaged at this age.
But it's not you.
It's 10,000 others doing the same thing your age.
Yeah.
What compels you guys?
I think, like, Having hearing all of this, hearing people's ideas that I strongly agree with, that it's just, it's inspiring and it fills me with so much joy that I lack when I am at home, not at school.
Yeah.
So it's, it's definitely a good dosage of serotonin.
Yeah.
You guys were telling me that the lockdown, you guys had to do school over Zoom.
And I would always tell people as a minister, watching church online is like watching a fireplace.
You can hear it and see it, but you can't feel the warmth.
Going to school online, I don't blame you guys for being so bummed out and depressed, but you guys, instead of just being victims of it, you are more than victors.
You're conquerors.
You're making a difference.
You're just saying, I'm not going to take it.
And you guys are here and you're unifying and you're taking on school boards.
You survived and you're ready to live.
I'm so blessed by you guys.
So I want to talk a little bit more about your generation.
I want to talk about where we go from here and how folks across America can encourage the young people and what's needed to stop these officials from doing what they're doing.
Because, you know, we're dealing with the medical viral side of this and we're just up in arms and we're showing data to scare the daylights out of people, but they don't talk about the mental health that is devastating our young people.
And you guys have been a tremendous testimony of that today.
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14-year-olds aren't typically political.
Yeah.
And yet we're here at AmericaFest.
There's 10,000 young people.
And you're thinking, don't you have anything better to do than to sit, you know, and listen to, you know, Gorka and Tucker?
And yet you guys can't get enough of it.
As a matter of fact, I watched this, the place is packed with 10,000 kids when the speakers are going.
And then you bring out the country bands and the crowd dwindles.
And when the speakers come out, it increases.
You guys are intellectual.
You want ammunition in your mind to be able to contend with the freedoms that are being taken by this tyranny.
You want to be able to fight for your generation.
And I want to set this up for the two of you to speak.
As a minister, pastors across the country, they usually stay out of politics because they believe, I believe inappropriately, that there's a separation of church and state.
Well, let's just say they believe that.
Well, now the state has infused itself into the church.
And so churches are being forced to be political.
Same with your generation.
Most of your friends were not political.
They weren't into this stuff.
But now they've ruined your life.
And now you're getting upset.
Is that a fair assessment?
Yeah.
Elaborate.
For me, I think it was, I think it's the same for you, Elonie.
It just completely took over because like politics and everything.
Okay.
So for instance, when we were in like, say, kindergarten, like it wasn't a thing.
Like politics weren't brought up whatsoever.
And then here we are now in 2021, and it's all you hear about.
And it's really sad because people have like lost their lives to suicide more this year than any other year.
Tay, when you guys are in school, is it education or indoctrination?
Do you just see that they're putting forward an indoctrination to you?
Because you come to an event like this, you're like, wait a minute, there's something different here.
Are you seeing this?
A little bit.
Because I'm in Arizona.
Yeah.
But I live here.
When I lived in Washington, 100% though.
You were telling me all your friends of Washington.
It was like, that's all.
If you strayed from the liberal line, you were ostracized.
Would that be accurate?
That's a perfectly fair examination.
And well, Melmie, let's close it out.
Tell them folks, you got inspired by this.
You were moved by this.
Here you have Tay as a friend because you reached out in a time where he was in his crisis because you lost two friends.
We're seeing redemption in your generation that has been devastated by this tyrannical lockdown and misery that they've perpetrated on y'all.
We help America understand how we can get out of this and what you need the adults in the room to do.
Would you plead to them and talk to them for me?
Yeah.
You got about a minute.
Come on, tell them.
All right.
I think the best thing that you can do for us is get your kids involved.
We're the future.
We are the future of this country.
And it's really important that us as youth get involved, whether that's big events or just talking to your local school board.
It doesn't have to be big.
It doesn't have to be all of a sudden.
You can slowly ease them into it.
And if it's something they really don't want to do, then don't push them to.
But if they are complaining about the things that are happening and they want to do something about it, they just don't know where to start.
Help them.
Help them.
Perfect.
Go to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can't change something unless you make an effort.
And I love the fact everywhere you go, you never wear a mask.
You are a brave young lady.
And Tay, you're a brave young man.
It has been such an honor to sit with the two of you.
Folks, support this generation.
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They've been abused.
No more lockdowns.
God bless the two of you.
You have been on the Charlie Kirk show, and I get to fill in.
That's so exciting.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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