And because I am not doing this as an official journalist, because journalists are denied from interviewing him, And Oprah tried many years ago and was denied access. According to? So what I do is go in as a friend, and I am not allowed to take a recording device of any kind. I end up getting a tiny pencil, and I'm able to use that to do the interview. So good it's not a crayon this time, as it has been in other... I believe other installments. So what she's doing is she's defrauding the prison. She is coming in there as a friend, taking interview notes and telling them she's not a journalist. Because if she was a journalist, she would be banned from entering the prison.