And it's Dave Rubin is responsible. Not him personally, but I mean, like.

So he'd have the Rubin report, and he'd have guests on like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Adam Carolla, Dennis Prager. Man, luminaries. Yeah, Tommy Robinson, Mike Cernovich, these sorts of folks. He would give an uncritical platform to them, and they would just say ludicrous nonsense. Nazi laundering. More or less. Yeah, that's what his show existed to be for a bit.

You know, there's Bill Maher as a liberal, and I can't tell him a liberal. I still consider myself a liberal, but by any estimation, I mean, really, the phrase that I like now, now that I've been being interviewed a lot, I would consider myself a modern conservative.

But as a talk show or as like an interview thing, this is trash. Yeah. This is just no good.

Yeah, but you need to rise the temperature gradually. And that's why people like Steven Crowder or Dave Rubin are so essential to this pipeline that gets people down towards more radical ideas.