Today, Dan and Jordan deal with the fact that Alex Jones has been out of studio all week by checking out a new show that Alex is hosting on his website. The gents give Carpe Donktum's new program a chance and also check in on Roger Stone damage-control updates.
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It's time to pray. | |
| I have great respect for knowledge fight. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Dan and George. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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KnowledgeFight.com. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan, quick question for you today. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| Well, why don't you go first, because I got some thoughts. | ||
| Oh, I have a complicated bright spot, of course. | ||
| Today, as we record this in about an hour, Major League Baseball will return. | ||
| Right, I saw a tweet about this. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I know you're a man who loves the sticks. | ||
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Oh, so good. | |
| I'm so excited. | ||
| I'm so excited. | ||
| Now, obviously... | ||
| The amount of resources they're taking and the risk that the players are taking is to the point of moral destruction. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, we've seen what's happened with the WWE trying to power on through this. | ||
| It's not been good. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| Yeah, putting people at risk. | ||
| Taking tests every single day that should be used for the population at large. | ||
| But fuck, I want to see the Cubs win. | ||
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Well... | |
| I know that your fandom is... | ||
| It's so dangerous. | ||
| Your mood does vary a lot based on sports. | ||
| Well, mostly Cubs and Rafa-related fandom. | ||
| He's skipping the U.S. Open. | ||
| He's not going to be there for the U.S. Open. | ||
| It's tragic. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| It's tragic. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm going to have to watch fucking Djokovic win it again. | ||
| He's already tested positive for the virus. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| He's a dick, Dan! | ||
| Well, I'm sorry you had to experience that, but I'm glad you get to watch some guys swing around bats. | ||
| It's going to be great. | ||
| It's really going to be good. | ||
| It's going to be weird, because you usually would go to bars and watch baseball. | ||
| Now, you have two layers of weirdness. | ||
| You can't go to the bar to watch the sport that is going to be different because of the world situation. | ||
| What's interesting, I watched a preseason game last night, and I was like, This isn't that different from just watching a preseason game. | ||
| Sure, there's nobody there, but it's a preseason game. | ||
| There's nobody there anyways. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Preseason's not that different. | ||
| I mean, in the Cactus League, whenever everybody's there and they're all having a great time, but I don't know. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Once you get to the World Series and there's nobody there. | ||
| That'll be fucking me up. | ||
| That'll be terrifying. | ||
| So, my bread spot. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| I'm going to go to the mailbag. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Zip. | ||
| All right, what do we got in the mailbag? | ||
| Let me open this up here. | ||
| We actually got a couple of things, and it was a very, very nice trip into the mailbag. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| And so the first thing we got was a nice letter from Lucy that thanked us for... | ||
| Recognizing that the Green Bank Telescope is a telescope. | ||
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Yes, that is true. | |
| And some glasses, I believe. | ||
| Yes, we did get those, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Some fun, like, looking at the stars glasses kind of thing. | ||
| They spread things into a different light spectrum, if I understand correctly. | ||
| Yeah, so thank you very much, Lucy. | ||
| We appreciate that. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
| And then from Lena, I got a 12-pack of Sanzo seltzers. | ||
| I'm seeing that you've had a mango Sanzo seltzer. | ||
| I've had a chance to try that one, and it's pretty good. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| It's not sweet at all, which is really nice. | ||
| It has kind of like a soft fruit and tea-ish vibe to it. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Which I enjoy. | ||
| I do appreciate that. | ||
| I've not given it a score yet, but I have tried it. | ||
| I have to think about it a little more. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's complex. | ||
| It's complex. | ||
| Unlike some of these other ones that are just like, you try it and you're just like, whatever. | ||
| You can't fuck up watermelon. | ||
| No, but there's also a calamansi, which I don't know what that is. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Is that a melon? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's one of the flavors. | ||
| And the other one is lychee. | ||
| Which I'm very excited about. | ||
| That'll be interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I remember having a lot of lychee stuff back when I used to live in Hawaii. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I remember liking it, but I don't know if I remember the flavor at all. | ||
| So I'm excited to try that. | ||
| I will be interested. | ||
| Thank you very much, Lena. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| I thought that was Lucy. | ||
| No, Lucy was the space telescope. | ||
| Sorry, my bad, my bad. | ||
| And then finally got a little something from Rosemary and Renee. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this was just a delightful note that is far too long to read on this here episode. | ||
| But... | ||
| We got some vegan jerky and sunflower crackers for you and your partner. | ||
| Yep, we've enjoyed those. | ||
| Got some spicy shark hot sauces. | ||
| A jalapeno and a chipotle. | ||
| Both very good. | ||
| I've tried them. | ||
| Not super spicy, but good flavors. | ||
| I enjoy them quite a bit. | ||
| Also, some seltzers that are made for children. | ||
| So there's like a bubblegum flavor. | ||
| Chicken fingers and fry seltzer? | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| Bubblegum. | ||
| That's the only one I remember. | ||
| But I've not tried those yet. | ||
| We'll probably maybe do a little recording where we try them because there's two of each of them. | ||
| So it's almost perfect for that. | ||
| And the thing that I thought was really charming about that is that Rosemary and Renee also sent along a little note that had their rankings and ratings of the seltzers so we can compare and contrast our feelings on it. | ||
| So that was a really sweet care package and we appreciate that very much. | ||
| That's quite a bright spot for me in this week. | ||
| So, Jordan, we had an episode to do here. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| We're going to go far astray of the beaten path here today, because I've got to tell you... | ||
| Alex Jones is still out of studio. | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
| He has not been in. | ||
| What's going on for him to talk about? | ||
| Nothing in the news. | ||
| Owen Schreier was hosting, and I don't care. | ||
| As it turns out, Alex has been out of studio this entire week, and it leaves me a little bit in the lurch of trying to... | ||
| We record this on Thursday, and so one of the things that we can do is if Alex is out of studio Monday through Wednesday, I am on Wednesday evening thinking, okay, When his show starts on Thursday, I will know whether or not there's an episode of his to go over. | ||
| Because if he's on air, then we can turn that around and try and get it out for Friday. | ||
| But if he's out of studio, then it's like 11 o 'clock, and I don't know. | ||
| I have to find something to do. | ||
| You're in limbo because you have to wait overnight. | ||
| You can't just start working. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So we found something to do, and I'm pretty excited about this. | ||
| Alex has been out of studio, and I believe that the reason is because that this week was when the Connecticut Supreme Court was deciding his motion that he was trying to overturn those sanctions against him after he went on that drunken outburst where he put a million-dollar bounty on the head of the opposing counsel, Christopher Matty. | ||
| Still a bad idea. | ||
| It was not a good performance. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| I wouldn't recommend it. | ||
| His former lawyer, Norm Pattis, was sitting next to him, which good you got out of that thing, Norm. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| So according to CBS, quote, the court issued a seven to zero decision rejecting Jones's claims that his comments aimed at attorney Christopher Maddy were protected by free speech rights and upholding a lower court's ruling that Jones violated numerous orders to turn Well, there's that. | ||
| This is a gigantic blow to Alex's case. | ||
| The first thing is that he was facing steep financial penalties for the whole threatening Maddie thing. | ||
| Again, not a good idea. | ||
| And now the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled on this, so Alex doesn't really have any stalling or maneuvering tactics left to deploy. | ||
| Call up Gorsuch, see what we can do. | ||
| I don't know if Gorsuch is going to have his back. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| He's going to have to pay those fines. | ||
| And he has no recourse left, really, to continue withholding documents from those lawyers. | ||
| Simply put, this is a very strong indication that Alex is running out of tricks in this case. | ||
| If it's gotten to the Connecticut Supreme Court, one of his motions to show is a bad sign for Alex and definitely would be a reason for him to take on an unannounced vacation. | ||
| I'm guessing that that's what's been going on. | ||
| Nice little bender. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| So yeah, I think that is the easiest explanation for why he's been gone. | ||
| I don't know if he had to go to Connecticut for it, or if it's just like, hey, all of my lawyers who were representing me have been replaced. | ||
| It'd be a chaotic time to have your thing in front of the Connecticut Supreme Court. | ||
| So I guess whenever he gets back in studio, we'll figure out exactly what's going on. | ||
| But Alex is gone, so I had to find something else to do. | ||
| We are missing some peak, sad, drunk, esoteric Alex shows, though. | ||
| If he were on the show right now... | ||
| Yeah, no, of course. | ||
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He'd put out another million-dollar bounty on the Supreme Court! | |
| Almost certainly. | ||
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I got nothing to lose now! | |
| So, I did find something, and we'll get to that here in a moment, Jordan. | ||
| But first, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to the folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| So first, Bree Ogan. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Bree Ogan. | ||
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| Next, there is no name, just a picture of a butt. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
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| A picture of a butt. | ||
| Next, Shani C. with the Master Plan. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much, Shani. | ||
| Next, Bethany C. Thank you so much. | ||
| Maybe related? | ||
| Maybe related? | ||
| She doesn't have a master plan, though. | ||
| Or Bethany C. does have a master plan and doesn't want to put it on... | ||
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Part of the master plan is not telling people about your master plan. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
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| Mimi. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Mimi! | ||
| We are getting some great honorifics. | ||
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This is a series of kings and popes. | |
| Next, Michael M. And this guy specifically requested that we shout him out under the rank of Digital Devil Summoner. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much, although I don't trust you. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, John Quill. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support these gents too, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. | ||
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| I like it. | ||
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| So, I don't want to tell you exactly what we're going to be doing. | ||
| Of course you don't. | ||
| Because, well, I don't know. | ||
| I texted you and I told you this is going to be infuriating. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think it will be. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's going to be infuriating for the audience, quite frankly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Are we doing an episode of Oprah? | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| We are not. | ||
| But before we get to the actual episode, we have to follow breaking news. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that is that there's an update on the Roger said a bad word on a radio show. | ||
| Yeah, he's going hard R now. | ||
| We have got some spin from Roger. | ||
| We've got... | ||
| Oh, come on now. | ||
| Blame somebody else. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Yes! | ||
| On July 19th, that would be Sunday, Roger was co-hosting the Alex Jones show, along with Owen Troyer, doing a little bit of a dream reunion. | ||
| Yeah, the war room is back, baby. | ||
| And so he addressed the controversy, because the story had broken on Sunday. | ||
| So he's live on air with Owen. | ||
| He's gotta do it. | ||
| And here is his spin on the 19th. | ||
| I can't echo exactly what you say about the fake news media, because I've just been through this. | ||
| Last Friday, I taped an interview for a L.A.-based progressive radio host, Mo Kelly, with whom we had found common ground in our opposition to the racist war on drugs. | ||
| But this broadcast was a technological disaster. | ||
| They cut my audio feed three times. | ||
| The second time when they brought me back in, I was in the middle of some other show in which a woman and a man were speaking in French. | ||
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I hung up. | |
| I called back in. | ||
| The first question I got from Mark Kelly was whether I had just called him a Negro, which, of course, I hadn't. | ||
| Then he went on for the rest of the program and osculated my derriere as if nothing was wrong. | ||
| If I had called him this so-called racial slur, a lot of my black friends argue it's not a slur, but let's put that aside, because I didn't say it. | ||
| Why didn't he react more aggressively? | ||
| I can answer the why didn't he respond more aggressively. | ||
| Because he's a professional. | ||
| First of all, that's his business. | ||
| And then second of all, because Roger immediately gaslighted him by saying, you're out of your mind. | ||
| The response of not being so certain that you heard what you heard is not that strange to me. | ||
| Also, small point, the argument that people were talking in French doesn't work. | ||
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They were speaking French. | |
| Because the word for black in French is noir. | ||
| They were speaking French, and as everybody knows, it's called Film Negro. | ||
| That is how it works. | ||
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What a great spin. | |
| What a fucking asshole. | ||
| Because the rest of the sentence is in English. | ||
| The rest of the sentence is in English. | ||
| I don't want to argue with this is in English and then noir is black and French. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense, really, that he was listening to something else that had this. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Complete nonsense. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| This story is what he had on the 19th. | ||
| And then on the 20th, he was a guest on Carpe Donctum's show. | ||
| It's syndicated on Bandai Video. | ||
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Of course it is. | |
| On Infowars. | ||
| And so Roger had a little bit of a more evolved excuse. | ||
| The French part has fallen away. | ||
| We left that one ago. | ||
| It turns out that one's too weak even for Roger. | ||
| I would say that he's going to pretend that that wasn't part of his excuse. | ||
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He never said that. | |
| No, no. | ||
| We now have the controversy du jour. | ||
| Which is the completely false claim that I used a racial slur in an interview with a radio talk show host in Los Angeles. | ||
| Now, I did do a show. | ||
| First of all, they tell you it was live. | ||
| It was taped last Thursday for air on Saturday. | ||
| Real quick, we already have a contradiction. | ||
| The first time he said it was taped on Friday, this time he says it's on Thursday. | ||
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Yeah, we've got one. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| One in the pocket. | ||
| Minor issue. | ||
| Audio transmission went down three times, so the 40 seconds in which they say Stone was so stunned, he said nothing. | ||
| No, I wasn't stunned. | ||
| They disconnected me. | ||
| And what people will soon learn is that... | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Goes on to be perfectly friendly. | ||
| So if I insulted him, why for the next 45 minutes did he kiss my ass? | ||
| None of that makes any sense. | ||
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That didn't make any sense to me either. | |
| Surprise. | ||
| I have gone, not one, but two different sound technicians who do a lot of audio analysis for the courts, and the preliminary results demonstrate that this was all spliced. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And I'm waiting for the second report. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| Could I sue Mr. Kelly? | ||
| Yeah, I probably could. | ||
| Oh, you totally could. | ||
| He just prolongs. | ||
| I think you should. | ||
| One, I think you're going to be proven innocent in your trial. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And your appeal, which I'm sure is definitely still coming. | ||
| Yeah, undoubtedly. | ||
| Man, what a swing. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| That is a swing. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| There's an elaborate conspiracy against me. | ||
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What? | |
| Occam's razor tells me that you're lying right now. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
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Because... | |
| Because in order for the rest of this to make sense, like, what he's suggesting happened is, like, okay, so there are these tech glitches, and as these tech glitches were happening, Moe Kelly operated in such a way as to be perfectly able to frame Roger for saying this word, and then, afterwards, they were able to somehow splice in something that sounds exactly like Roger Stone saying. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| Mo Kelly needs to be involved. | ||
| His producers need to be involved. | ||
| Like, there is such a... | ||
| I don't understand either what it is he thinks that proves. | ||
| That just means he spliced in a different time you said that? | ||
| It would have to be Kretika. | ||
| It has to be somebody... | ||
| Someone doing a Roger impression. | ||
| I mean, it's elaborate. | ||
| Or he just said it a week before. | ||
| It's elaborate, but it's not... | ||
| I don't buy this. | ||
| This is weak. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| This is Roger protesting too much. | ||
| You should just shut up. | ||
| Keep quiet. | ||
| Your audience, like you pointed out, does not care. | ||
| They don't give a shit. | ||
| Your fans have moved on. | ||
| They like you a little more, maybe. | ||
| You may have widened the Proud Boy base that you have. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You should just shut up because no one gives a shit. | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| Everyone's moved on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody who doesn't like you already knew you. | ||
| You work for Infowars, so we kind of know. | ||
| Move along, Roger. | ||
| I can't wait for his third excuse. | ||
| This is what Roger does, though. | ||
| This is the way he does damage control and spin and stuff. | ||
| You see it throughout his career. | ||
| Yeah, he gets away with it everywhere but the courts. | ||
| So that was pretty funny to me. | ||
| Now, that made me realize... | ||
| I wanted to stick with the French speaking. | ||
| I wanted to really try it. | ||
| I wanted to explain... | ||
| Once somebody explains what noir means in French, and they're like... | ||
| And? | ||
| I want to see Roger. | ||
| Why was the rest of that sentence in English? | ||
| I only speak a little French. | ||
| No, no, he wasn't speaking it. | ||
| He said he was watching some French program. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So it was just in the background. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| But through that, I was like, hey. | ||
| Carpe Donctum's got a show. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| It's called Carpe's Corner. | ||
| No, you are not going to play us a Carpe Donctum show. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Do not tell me this. | ||
| You have to do something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, Alex is out of studio. | ||
| There needs to be something. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I've listened to Owen Schroer and David Knight, their shows. | ||
| They got nothing. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Weak. | ||
| What if Carpe Donctum's awesome? | ||
| What if he is awesome? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe he's a good broadcaster. | ||
| I've seen him appear as a guest on Alex's show. | ||
| He's terrible. | ||
| What if he's a polymath? | ||
| He's good at all kinds of different things. | ||
| What if left to his own devices and freed from the chains of Alex's interview style? | ||
| What if he's amazing? | ||
| What if he's amazing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So we have to find out. | ||
| So I went and looked at his channel. | ||
| He has 11 episodes out now. | ||
| The most recent one was Roger Stone. | ||
| And it's not fair to judge the most recent episode. | ||
| You know, the download numbers. | ||
| Or view numbers. | ||
| Because it's like, well... | ||
| You got stone on there. | ||
| No, no, it's very low. | ||
| But it came out very recently. | ||
| So it's like, you know, maybe people haven't seen the tweets about it or whatever. | ||
| So I went back and I looked at some of the earlier episodes. | ||
| Episode 2 had Laura Loomer as a guest. | ||
| Visionary Laura Loomer, as I call her. | ||
| 2.2 thousand views. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That was like two months ago. | ||
| Dinesh D'Souza was on episode three. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| 1.2 thousand. | ||
| Ooh, that's not a good direction for your views to be trending. | ||
| Episode five, Gavin McGinnis came in. | ||
| The heat. | ||
| 1.5 thousand. | ||
| Oh, not good. | ||
| Episode seven, Benny Johnson from Turning Point USA. | ||
| All right, that's the way. | ||
| That's four episodes back. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because Roger is episode 11. 417 views. | ||
| 417 views! | ||
| That's very, very light. | ||
| Oh boy, that's not good. | ||
| So those numbers are really depressing. | ||
| But I figured that, like, you know, the Donk's probably only, you know, it's not like he's only releasing these on band.video. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So I decided to check out his YouTube page, and it's not looking much better over there. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| The most viewed episode is Gavin McGinnis, and that's at 7.3 thousand after over a month. | ||
| It's not like his videos get no views, though. | ||
| Like the meme shit he posts, a lot of those still have like 10,000 to 20,000 views sometimes, which isn't great, but it's not bad for some dick making memes. | ||
| Well, they're short. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, they're easily consumable. | ||
| And there are also things that are, like, YouTube isn't the primary mode for memes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, like, if you're putting these memes out, like, obviously you're gonna get way more views on them in another platform. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| It's not fair to judge those, but even still, those memes that he would put out would still get, like, 10 to 20,000 on YouTube. | ||
| So it's not like there's no traction here. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I think the problem with his show is that no one wants it to exist. | ||
| Yeah, that is an issue. | ||
| Even his fan base doesn't seem like they're clamoring for a talk show hosted by a guy that they just liked because he made 30-second videos that kind of pandered to their beliefs. | ||
| It's not like you see this and be like, I wonder what that guy would do with a long-form thing. | ||
|
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Doesn't... | |
| Oh boy. | ||
| I want a Carpe Donctum curated 60 minutes. | ||
| That's what I was really thinking of that. | ||
| Give me a Charlie Rose interview, but with Carpe Donctum. | ||
| I'm Carpe Donctum, and this is 2020. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| No, I'm not saying it that time. | ||
| I'll say it for you. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| And I'd like to point out that I know full well what Carpe Doctum's real name is, and I don't care. | ||
| There's that whole thing. | ||
| I know that some people have pushed back whenever I call Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson, sort of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon or whatever. | ||
| I'll call Tommy Robinson alternating names. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm calling it Carpe Donctum. | ||
| Carpe Donctum is Carpe Donctum. | ||
| You chose to call yourself that. | ||
| You live with it for the rest of your life. | ||
| Yeah, like calling Millie Weaver Rainbow Snatch. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Gonna happen. | ||
| Too late now. | ||
| You've given yourself a nickname, alias kind of thing, and we are deciding to keep going with it. | ||
| It's grown beyond you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I saw these guests, Laura Loomer, Dinesh D'Souza, Gavin McGinnis, Roger Stone, and I was like... | ||
| It's a lot of people who kind of are in this milieu. | ||
| You know, it's not uncommon to see Laura Loomer show up on InfoWars or Gavin. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's kind of less common, but not unheard of for Dinesh D'Souza to show up. | ||
| He's too busy, generally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Probably doesn't want to get too associated with that. | ||
| But he's still an asshole. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then I was like, how did this show start? | ||
| Who was the first guest? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| And I was blown away that the first guest, On Carpe Donctum's... | ||
| If you say it's Alex, I'm going to be pissed. | ||
| It's not. | ||
|
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Oh, okay. | |
| Carpe Donctum's... | ||
| Alex hasn't been a guest. | ||
| Nor has any actual employees of Infowars. | ||
| Not for them. | ||
| Coming up soon, I'm sure. | ||
| The first guest on Carpe's Corner was none other than Dave Rubin. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Dave Rubin. | ||
| Dave Rubin. | ||
| Classical liberal Dave Rubin. | ||
| Dave Rubin. | ||
| Dave Rubin was the first guest on Carpe Donctum's Carpe's Corner. | ||
| We're off to a great corner. | ||
| And I decided, like, if we're gonna listen to something, let's listen to fucking Dave Rubin talk to Carpe Donctum. | ||
| That's a sentence that I've always wanted you to say, Dan. | ||
| That's a sentence that I can't imagine anybody not wanting. | ||
| I believe I told you this was going to be low stakes and kind of stupid and a little infuriating. | ||
| And now you understand why. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| So, I remember the first time we listened to a Bill Cooper episode, one of the things that you responded to the most was the theme song, which is Air Raid Sirens at Dogs Parking. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This show is a little bit less of a good theme song. | ||
|
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Do do do do do do do do do do do do. | |
| music Welcome to Carpe's Corner. | ||
| I'm so happy that you're here. | ||
| I want to pause. | ||
| Carpe! | ||
| Carpe! | ||
| I've got to pause here for a second because there's a couple points. | ||
| I'm not going to play the rest of this song. | ||
| But he does also, in the theme song, it says like, review, and subscribe. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Great. | ||
| On brand. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| People have complained that our theme song is too long. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We are just under a minute long. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's perfectly timed to the point where you can just, like, hit forward to a minute. | ||
| 15 seconds four times. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| You can skip past it if you like. | ||
| Some people say it's too long. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| Carpe Donctum's theme song is a minute and a half long. | ||
| Ooh, that's too long. | ||
| That's too long. | ||
| Does he do it himself? | ||
| I mean, see if you can... | ||
|
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Do you think this is his voice? | |
| Can't be. | ||
|
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It might be. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| It's that for a minute and a half. | ||
| It's exhausting. | ||
| See, that's what makes me think it's him. | ||
| Only somebody with that kind of vanity would be like, a minute and thirty of me is what this show needs. | ||
| Yeah, and also, like, Carpe's Corner means, like, what? | ||
| Seizes Corner? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Seize the corner. | ||
| Shouldn't it have been Donk's Corner or something like that? | ||
| That would have been smarter. | ||
| Yeah, isn't Donkjum more his name than Carpe? | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Carpe's just a word. | ||
| Like, he has on his logo or whatever, it says Seize the Donk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, obviously, Carpe still means Seize in terms of his stage name. | ||
| So Donk, I don't care. | ||
| Donk's Dome. | ||
|
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Not bad. | |
| Donk's Domicile. | ||
| Donk's Dojo. | ||
| Donk's Dojo! | ||
| In two seconds, we've made a better name for it. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You can have that, Carpe. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| I'll have it. | ||
|
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I don't give a shit. | |
| Seize the donk. | ||
| Seize it. | ||
| So, I have to give an apology here in advance, and that is that Carpe Donktum's audio is... | ||
| It's trash. | ||
|
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Of course. | |
| It is shit through the entire thing. | ||
| Dave Rubin's audio, totally fine. | ||
| It's totally fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Carpe is bad to the point where if I had recorded this, I would never put it out. | ||
| You would not release it. | ||
| Every now and again, we have little pops that happen. | ||
| And whenever it happens and it's in the middle of something that isn't essential to the episode, I cut it out. | ||
| You just cut it out. | ||
| Because it hurts your ears. | ||
| It's not pleasant to listen to. | ||
| But sometimes you do have to leave it in, because it's in the middle of a piece of conversation that's like, well, if I cut this out, then I have to cut out 20 minutes. | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| If I were Carpe Donctum, and I cared about what I was doing at all, and I took anything seriously, this would never get released. | ||
| Even if you think Dave Rubin is a git, and like, I can't reschedule Dave Rubin. | ||
| No, it's not possible. | ||
| Even if you think that, don't put this out. | ||
| It's trash. | ||
|
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Hello. | |
| Oh, no. | ||
|
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This is the first ever episode of Carpe's Corner. | |
| I am here with my very special guest, Dave Rubin. | ||
| Say hi, Dave. | ||
| Hello, Carpe and Internet. | ||
| You know, I've been doing a big press tour right now, but when you offered me the opportunity to be on the very first episode of Carpe's Corner, we canceled everything. | ||
| Could have been the Tonight Show tonight. | ||
| Could have been, you know... | ||
| Something with Wolf Blitzer or something like that. | ||
|
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Wolf Blitzer, wow. | |
| I said, he's got a green... | ||
| No, I'm just kidding. | ||
| CNN doesn't invite me on anything. | ||
| You know, I'm doing every Fox show. | ||
| They bring me on live. | ||
| I can say whatever I want. | ||
| I sometimes go on Gutfeld's show in my bathing suit and I'm doing shots of tequila. | ||
| Meanwhile, zero invites from MSNBC and CNN. | ||
| Shocker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why you're on Carpe's Corner. | ||
| Shocking. | ||
| Shocking that you don't get that. | ||
| Within a minute of the interview, complaining about not going on CNN. | ||
| My bookings are low. | ||
| Bookings are not great, Carpe. | ||
| That's why I said yes. | ||
| Right now, I will tell you that this sounds like it should be Dave Rubin's show with professional audio. | ||
| And Carpe Donctum is calling in from an island somewhere. | ||
| I'm gonna guess that Carpe Donctum is not relevant enough to get booked on Rubin Report. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| Although I have not kept up with his guests and maybe he's been on. | ||
| I have no fucking idea. | ||
| No, I just mean the audio. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| But that's because Dave is a pro. | ||
| Like, at least in terms of, like, logistics and technical stuff. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He has a studio and stuff. | ||
| Like, Carpe Donctum, God knows what the fuck he's doing. | ||
| Making memes. | ||
| So, Dave Rubin's whole shtick for the longest time had been, like, he worked at the Young Turks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then he had this, I'm a classical liberal, I am a liberal, but the left is going crazy. | ||
| Yada, yada, yada. | ||
| So he became, like, the favored right-wing funnel for, like, he's like a liberal who gets it. | ||
| That was sort of his place. | ||
| He found his grift. | ||
| Yeah, that was his place in the marketplace. | ||
| So he'd have the Rubin Report and he'd have guests on like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Adam Carolla. | ||
| Dennis Prager. | ||
| Man, luminaries. | ||
| Yeah, Tommy Robinson, Mike Cernovich, these sorts of folks. | ||
| He would give uncritical platform to them, and they would just say ludicrous nonsense. | ||
| Nazi laundering. | ||
| More or less, yeah. | ||
| That's what his show existed to be for a bit. | ||
| And then more recently, he's now just decided, nah, fuck it. | ||
| And he works for The Blaze. | ||
| So that's his path through this stuff. | ||
| And now... | ||
| I don't know what he's trying to do now because I don't think there's much use for it. | ||
| I don't think the right wing has much of a use for it because he's not pretending that he's a sensible left wing person anymore. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We got plenty of Nazis, man. | ||
| We're full of Nazis, Dave Rubin. | ||
| I don't know what the shtick is really anymore. | ||
| When you slip from being like this I work for Glenn Beck now. | ||
| I mean, you end up on Donkdom's Corner. | ||
| You end up in the dojo. | ||
| We're not calling it Carpe's Corner. | ||
| It's Donkdom's Dojo. | ||
| It's kind of a bummer. | ||
| I mean, I don't feel bad for it, but if you're Dave Rubin, you're like, I'm calling in and trying to shill my book with Carpe Donkdom. | ||
| I'm talking to somebody who's underwater right now. | ||
| Popping air bubbles as he speaks. | ||
| But Dave Rubin fancies himself a comedian, because he was a comedian. | ||
| He did do stand-up before. | ||
| Much like Gavin McGinnis, these folks who fancy themselves hilarious and then become reactionary dicks. | ||
| And so I think Carpe Donctum wants to start things off with a bit. | ||
| He wants to start things off with like, hey, this is going to be a loose environment. | ||
| Yeah, this is why I became a successful comedian. | ||
|
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I do want to ask you a little bit about, what do you think of the outfit? | |
| Are we good with the outfit? | ||
| You look like a very professional talk show host. | ||
| You know, my look is a little more with the open neck, but I understand you're in the middle of the country. | ||
| Your expectations are a little bit different. | ||
| The crowd usually demands that I give them a little more of the chest situation, but, you know, to each his own. | ||
|
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Okay, well, I'm just, I'm gonna, hold on. | |
| Mom, he doesn't like it! | ||
| He doesn't like it! | ||
| What's your pants? | ||
| The pants were very nice. | ||
| I hope he comes back. | ||
| This is great. | ||
| I'm your guest host, Dave Rubin, host of the Rubin Report, author of the New York Times best-selling Don't Burn Yourself, Thinking for Yourself in an Age of Unreason. | ||
| There we go. | ||
|
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Is this better? | |
| Are we looking better now? | ||
| So he stormed off to change his outfit. | ||
| Dave was left to vamp, and instead of elevating the bit, he really just decided to plug. | ||
| Yeah, do a little plugging! | ||
| I feel like if you're on Donk's Dojo and he does something like that, you're kind of behooved to recognize that this is a bit and do something, as opposed to sit there like... | ||
| How early into the show are we? | ||
| Minute. | ||
| Minute into this show. | ||
| Maybe a minute. | ||
| We've played an interminable theme song. | ||
| And then a minute into the show. | ||
| His very first show. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He leaves. | ||
| First for a pretend shit bit. | ||
| First Dave Rubin complains that CNN isn't having him on. | ||
|
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That's right. | |
| That's right. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Carpe Doctum storms off. | ||
| We are off to a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pun intended, Blazing Star. | ||
| And I didn't watch this, so I don't know what the outfit gag was, but I've tried to imagine what the funniest version of this could possibly be, and I still don't think it's worth it. | ||
| All I know is bolo tie. | ||
| That's what I got. | ||
| That's what I got for it. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| When he comes back, he's wearing a Simpsons shirt or something like that because they end up talking about how the Simpsons used to be better and it's like, I don't care. | ||
| I don't care about this tired conversation. | ||
| It seems like two luminaries in the world of online media like Carpe Donctum and Dave Rubin could come up with something better to talk about than how the Simpsons have seen better days. | ||
| Hey, and while we're on the subject, do you like Friends? | ||
| I think their theme song was too long. | ||
| So, at this point, Carpe Donctum learns that the audio is not good. | ||
| And this is the point where I was like, wow, thank God, at least they'll fix it. | ||
|
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So, I'm getting some feedback here that my audio is choppy. | |
| Yours is just fine, but mine is choppy. | ||
| Have you tried putting the microphone into the computer? | ||
|
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Is it supposed to be plugged in? | |
| Good bit. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's not a bit. | ||
| This is where I got really, unfortunately, disappointed. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's a weird thing to say that this is where I got disappointed with the Carpe Donctum show. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But I realized they're not going to fix this. | ||
|
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Nope. | |
| You don't need to do this. | ||
| Got to do it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
|
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The show must go on. | |
| The fans are demanding more Donx Dojo, Dan. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I mean, he does say that they did pre-screen stuff and they tested everything and it was fine and now it's not. | ||
| I don't know if I believe that, but even if you did, then there's another problem and you've got to delay. | ||
| This is unlistenable. | ||
| You can't put out a product like this and expect anyone... | ||
| This is why you end up with receding numbers. | ||
| I mean, granted, I did listen to a little bit of the Laura Loomer one and the audio is fixed. | ||
| Good, good. | ||
| This is your shot, man. | ||
| You got Ruben in the house. | ||
| There's no way you could be like, hey, I'm gonna call Dave back in about a half hour. | ||
| We're gonna get the audio worked out. | ||
| I mean, I think he did it live. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But even so, even if you have it going live, there's no rule that says you can't be like, guys, we gotta fix this, we'll be right back, and then put the theme song on again. | ||
| By the time that theme song's over, you'll have your problem fixed. | ||
| We did it in our live streams. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, definitely. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| It feels bad to tell, like, a room of people who are watching, like, hey, we have a problem, we need to fix it, but the alternative is do shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if this is what you're bringing. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Anyway, they get to talking about, like, Twitter censorship. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because, of course, that's one of the big picadillos. | ||
| Biggest problems of today. | ||
| Culture war stuff. | ||
| And so, Dave Rubin has an interesting perspective on it that is somewhat along the lines of, like, yeah, Twitter can do whatever they want. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| But he also seems to want to suggest that there's a conspiracy going on. | ||
| She's locked out, and she has appealed the suspension. | ||
| He's talking about Candace Owens being locked out of her account. | ||
| Or whatever it is. | ||
| But nobody's gotten back to her. | ||
| So she's trying to figure out what to do because it's like she's a private citizen. | ||
| She's allowed to make a comment. | ||
| Now, as a private company, you know my feelings on this, Twitter can do what they want, but did the government put pressure on Twitter to boot her, and are they ever going to let her back? | ||
| Once you're deplatformed, it's like they're taking away your ability to make a living for people like us, so we do have to figure out some alternatives, and you know that I do believe in competition, and I put my money where my mouth is. | ||
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That is true. | |
| You have offered me a spot at Locals, which I greatly appreciate. | ||
| We'll get back to that in a second. | ||
| The theory that the Donald Trump government has somehow pressured Twitter to not let Candace Owens on. | ||
| I'm going to need a source on this. | ||
| I was wondering. | ||
| I'm going to need a citation on this, Dave, before you're just wildly throwing that around. | ||
| So your government, who is 100% in agreement with all the bullshit Candace Owens about. | ||
| And I believe Trump has even tweeted positive things about Candace Owens. | ||
| They put pressure on Twitter to get her out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, I mean, this is how you have that weaselly position. | ||
| Obviously, yes, Twitter can choose to do what they want in terms of the service that they provide. | ||
| Now, how do I get around that? | ||
| Somebody must be forcing them to do it. | ||
| How do I get around the implications of me having this seemingly rational belief? | ||
| How can I turn this wacky? | ||
| I can't allow people to believe that that's what I believe because they'll get very angry at me. | ||
| I'll lose the donks of the world. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so I don't know. | ||
| That's real silly. | ||
| I don't cut into that at all. | ||
| And he can't pull off globalists. | ||
| He has to say the government. | ||
| He can't even say... | ||
| Can he even say it's like the deep state in the government doing it? | ||
| I bet he probably could. | ||
| Yeah, he could probably pull that out. | ||
| So then we get to Dave Rubin bringing up locals. | ||
| Or I believe Carpe Donctum brought up locals. | ||
| Yes, for singles. | ||
| And this is something that Dave Rubin has launched. | ||
| And it's basically a weird sort of Patreon kind of thing. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| I signed up for an account on it to have a look around. | ||
| And it is a... | ||
| Not great website. | ||
| It's really hard to tell how many creators are actually on the platform because once you sign up for an account, there's no option to browse content creators to discover new folks who you might be interested in. | ||
| Like, oh, they're here. | ||
| Oh, that's crazy. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| All you can do is search for names and see if something comes up. | ||
| Infowars and Alex Jones yield no results, so I guess they're not part of Dave's concept of free speech. | ||
| They're all the way in Austin. | ||
| They're not locals. | ||
| So the site is basically just a Patreon-style crowdfunding site with a little more of a social media bend to it. | ||
| You can join a specific creator's quote-unquote community for a fee, then you're allowed to see their news feed and whatever they choose to post on it. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Basically, it's like a free speech Twitter that you have to pay for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Overall, I found the roster of folks who have accounts on there to be lacking. | ||
| What do we got? | ||
| Like Andy Ngo. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| He's a hero. | ||
| Carpe Donctum. | ||
| Of course Donctum's on there. | ||
| Dave Rubin? | ||
| Dave Rubin's on there, of course. | ||
| Names I didn't recognize. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I found the site's navigational capacity to be shit, and the idea of there being like a paywall aspect to it is a huge turnoff. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| There's no way the government, Trump's government, pressured Twitter to kick Candace Owens off, and there's no way this is ever going to work as a website. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's trash. | ||
| There are just slight tweaks that need to be made to even make it appealing as a user experience. | ||
| You have to come in knowing whose community you want to find. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're trying to steal people from another business. | ||
| You're hoping that whoever you invite to join, as he invited Carpe Doctum to, is going to bring all of the people that they would be... | ||
| Bringing along with it to it. | ||
| Yeah, he wants those 487 views, buddy. | ||
| That's got to be on Locals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, that's the plan. | ||
| Whatever people aren't allowed on other things, have them migrate their base to this platform, and then we can take a cut off the top of it. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Which isn't like, I mean, it's not like... | ||
| It's not the first middleman website there's ever been. | ||
| No, and it's not intrinsically an evil thing. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's just not revolutionary, and I guarantee that if people behaved in ways that were illegal, they would get kicked off that as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they would have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're creating these, like, communities that are facilitated by this local's website. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And so, like, if somebody is organizing, like... | ||
| Nazi rallies or a violent kind of event, then you would have to kick them off. | ||
| And then, uh-oh, where's free speech? | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand. | ||
| Do they just not understand who they're dealing with? | ||
| Does Dave Rubin not get that if you create a place for all the people who got kicked off Twitter, you're going to find out that all the people who got kicked off Twitter were Nazis? | ||
| And now they're a group of Nazis. | ||
| Dave's getting around it the same way Alex is, which is like Band.Videos used to be the place where all the banned people go, but it's invitation only. | ||
| You can't post there unless Alex explicitly allows you to. | ||
| Dave Rubin invites people to come on to Locals as opposed to it being a thing where anybody can sign up for creator accounts. | ||
| Bananas. | ||
| Anyway, Dave gets to talking about how, like, you know, Fox News. | ||
| He's on there a lot. | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| And wouldn't you know it, the people who work there, they're more human than people at CNN, where incidentally, they don't invite him. | ||
| It does seem like he has a conflict of interest here. | ||
| It seems like there might be a little bit of a like, hey, people who want to have me around seem cooler than the people who don't. | ||
| So I think they've just figured out a way to make people, to bring on hosts that are more human. | ||
| Where on CNN, it's like, nobody really wants to hang out with Chris Cuomo. | ||
| Imagine Wolf Blitzer laughing. | ||
| I mean, these aren't real people. | ||
| They've become these one-dimensional things. | ||
| That being said, I would still go on their shows if they invited me. | ||
| I'm on a book tour right now, and I haven't been invited by any of them, but I get invited by Fox all the time. | ||
| This makes me very sad. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| No, no, no, that's not good. | ||
| These people aren't even humans. | ||
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They're not human! | |
| Now that's sad. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I would love to be on their shows if they want. | ||
| I'm on a book tour! | ||
| Look, you talk to non-humans all the time. | ||
| It's like in a video game. | ||
| They're NPCs! | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| I played Final Fantasy XI now. | ||
| I know what's up! | ||
| We're like a couple minutes into this interview and it's the second time he's brought up it. | ||
| No one at CNN wants it on. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It turns out those guys whose brand is reactionary victimhood is... | ||
| Dave Rubin's one of these guys, too, that I always thought, like, he's interesting, but I don't want to talk about it because I feel like other people... | ||
| The Majority Report does a really good job of covering Dave Rubin-related content and taking care of his business. | ||
| And he's not really on Infowars much. | ||
| And the only reason that we're, you know, really even doing this is because this is on Carpe Donctum's show on Infowars. | ||
| We gotta do it. | ||
| It's gotta be done, Dan. | ||
| But it does bum me out a bit. | ||
| This next clip here, Carpe Donctum, is sort of dealing with Dave's assertion that people at Fox News are more human than people at CNN. | ||
| And now he thinks that Fox News has gone lefty. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| It's gone lefty, man. | ||
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Yeah, you know, there's a... | |
| You know, there's sort of a debate of, you know, has Fox News gone lefty? | ||
| Have they gone progressive? | ||
| You know, I think it's really started after, what's his name, took over, or he's on the board now, Paul Ryan. | ||
| But... | ||
| Wait, is Paul Ryan, you mean Paul Ryan, the former congressman Paul Ryan? | ||
| He's on the board of Fox News? | ||
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He's on something of Fox News. | |
| Huh. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't know that. | ||
|
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Alright. | |
| That clip is really interesting to me, because here we have Carpe Donctum making a claim, which is that Paul Ryan is on the board of Fox News. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Dave Rubin is surprised by this claim, which implies that he has no idea if it's true or not. | ||
| In response to Dave being surprised by the claim, the donk loses his confidence in his own claim and says that Paul Ryan's on the board of something. | ||
| He's probably there somewhere. | ||
| This leads me to believe that neither of these dudes really actually know what they're talking about, and there's vague ideas about stuff. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| I feel like Paul Ryan's on the board there. | ||
| Somebody must be doing something. | ||
| I read a headline. | ||
| So in March 2019, it was announced that Paul Ryan was joining the board of Fox Corp. | ||
| The parent company of Fox News. | ||
| This was all part of the reorganization that came after Disney bought 21st Century Fox, but they didn't buy the properties that involved Fox News. | ||
| Thus, Fox News and the Fox TV stations were reorganized as a standalone company called Fox Corp, and the board of directors for this parent company needed to be appointed. | ||
| Paul Ryan is on that board, but Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan are largely still the ones pulling the strings. | ||
| It's more of just like a... | ||
| I would assume it's largely a Here's a hammock. | ||
| It just never occurs to these guys that maybe they've gone Nazi. | ||
| And you can't be a Nazi in the mainstream yet. | ||
| You can be 75% Nazi in the mainstream, but you can't go full Nazi. | ||
| They're like, well, we've gone full Nazi, so that means that the Fox News must be going progressive. | ||
| You're talking about Carpe Donctum's lefty critique. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| They just can't wrap their heads around, maybe we became Nazis. | ||
| And maybe we're super far afield. | ||
| Maybe we got too far to the right. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| If Carpe Doctum is serious that Fox News is going progressive or lefty, then it should be some indication, like you're saying, of how extremely far to the right he is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the fact that Dave Rubin doesn't take that as some kind of a really weird sign of his politics, like this person who's interviewing you is saying that... | ||
| Fox News is going lefty. | ||
| Fox News of the literally black people are coming to take your property away. | ||
| Caravan. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Lefty. | ||
| Too progressive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Build the wall like most progressives want. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Alright. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Real lefty stuff. | ||
| A state-run propaganda network, essentially. | ||
| I would see that as a troubling sign if I were Dave Rubin and I were being interviewed by the... | ||
| I would need to take at least 20 minutes to unpack that. | ||
| Why do you think Fox News is... | ||
| Just ask the question! | ||
| Even if I were in Dave Rubin's position where I'm this guy who's like, Hey, I'm sensible. | ||
| I'm in the middle politically. | ||
| Also, he gets invited on Fox News all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shouldn't he be a little, you know? | ||
| Yeah, he's supposed to be the guy who went away from the left. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And now he's being accused of being on a lefty platform? | ||
| He's too lefty now. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So, I mean, his whole brand and the whole thing is about, like, leaving the left. | ||
| That's Dave Rubin's entire raison d 'etre. | ||
| And so Carpe brings this up a little bit here to get into, like, that. | ||
| Because, of course, if you're having him on, that's what you want to talk about. | ||
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I really enjoyed your personal... | |
| Again, I've only read about half of it because I had so much to do this week. | ||
| So much. | ||
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The book. | |
| Your personal stories, your early on, sort of your going down the path of not being a progressive anymore. | ||
| When do you think that the progressive movement started going so far? | ||
| Oh, I want to hear this. | ||
| You know, it's funny because... | ||
| People will say to me, how is it possible you were one of them? | ||
| And sometimes, honestly, it's hard for me to remember what it was like to think like that, but you can literally find videos of me supporting Bernie Sanders five years ago. | ||
| Those videos are on YouTube somewhere where I'm saying I agree with Bernie Sanders, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Dun, dun, dun! | ||
| Uh-oh! | ||
| Now we can see his true colors, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, what? | ||
| In the primary against Hillary? | ||
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Of course you did, Dick. | |
| You were a pretend... | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| You were a fucking weirdo conservative pretending to be a liberal back then. | ||
| You had to hate... | ||
| Of course you... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course you favored Bernie Sanders to Hillary. | ||
| You were sowing division. | ||
| You weren't believing in anything you were saying. | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| And that's his marquee example of, like, I can't imagine what it was like to think like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I can't imagine what it was like to think that I needed to tear down and restructure the entire government. | ||
| That's a crazy idea that I would never hold. | ||
| So Dave's answer for this question relies on a boat metaphor. | ||
| And I guess the Democrats or the left are the boat. | ||
| And then there are water-breathing socialists who are underneath the boat. | ||
| And here's how that goes. | ||
| So you have to understand that liberalism, as it's presented today, when people talk about the libtards and all that stuff... | ||
| What they're really addressing is socialists and collectivists and, you know, the progressive wing of this thing. | ||
| And I think what happened was good liberals. | ||
| What's the deal with liberals? | ||
| Well, liberals are open-minded. | ||
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What's the deal with liberals? | |
| Liberals like seeing other voices and all of that. | ||
| And liberals basically want to be liked, I think, in a way that conservatives actually don't, which is a credit to conservatives in a weird way. | ||
| And I think what the progressives saw was they saw the weak underbelly. | ||
| Like, picture it's a ship. | ||
| Like, liberalism is a ship, and then the progressives are swimming underneath, and then they see a little hole. | ||
| And what that hole was was tolerance. | ||
| That liberals always want to be tolerant. | ||
| So the progressives got in there, and then by tricking everybody, pretending that they're tolerant all the time, we love black people, we love gay people, we love Muslims, we love trans people, which, of course, they love none of those people. | ||
| They only love the ones that behave, not the ones that are free-thinking. | ||
| But they saw the weak underbelly of liberalism and they just went in there and they ripped the whole thing apart. | ||
| And that's why there are no liberals anymore. | ||
| You know, there's Bill Maher as a liberal. | ||
| I still consider myself a liberal, but by any estimation, I mean, really, the phrase that I like now, now that I've been being interviewed a lot, I would consider myself a modern conservative. | ||
| New label. | ||
| Modern conservative. | ||
| Whatever the fuck that means. | ||
| I consider myself a liberal, but I mean, obviously what I really am is a modern conservative. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I went from classical liberal to modern conservative. | ||
| I just chose a different time designation and then flipped my alignment. | ||
| See, I'm personally a Baroque centrist, Dan. | ||
| That's what I'm doing. | ||
| I'm a Rococo libertarian. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Alright, buddy. | ||
| So, I want to just talk about this metaphor a tiny bit. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Like, I don't necessarily believe that this is even the case, but how easy is it just to be like, aha, let's imagine the same boat, and it's conservatism, and the people under the boat are the Tea Party, and instead of tolerance, the whole is racism. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Play the same stupid game, like, alright, alright, Dave. | ||
| Here's my metaphor for this boat. | ||
| Remember the Mayflower. | ||
| Imagine the Mayflower in that time period when the Mayflower existed, when you could be a classical liberal, right? | ||
| And there was a little hole in the boat of the Mayflower, and they let all the Nazis in and then made a country out of it. | ||
| That's about the boat that I consider. | ||
| Well, this isn't good because you don't help us sow division with that. | ||
| You're not helping us with the two-sided thing. | ||
| No, I'm just saying that Nazism has basically been here from the beginning. | ||
| You see what I'm saying? | ||
| Because we let them in that boat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because there was a hole in the boat. | ||
| And everybody died of scurvy on the boat. | ||
| My feeling on this... | ||
| I think this metaphor got away from me. | ||
| I think it did. | ||
| My feeling on this is that Dave Rubin's supposed to be a guy who's got these ideas that are really cool and good. | ||
| And I think this is a dumb idea. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so because of tolerance, and Democrats like to be liked, Sure. | ||
| So the left, they're the people in the boat, and they like to be liked. | ||
| And then there's a hole at the bottom of the boat, which is tolerance, which kind of makes you think that left to their own devices, tolerance would sink the left. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because a hole at the bottom of a boat sinks a boat. | ||
| It's plugged with progressives, Dan. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Well, huh. | ||
| The progressives pulled the plug. | ||
| Oh, they did pull the plug. | ||
| I'm expanding his metaphor. | ||
| We're growing. | ||
| Because otherwise it's not a hole. | ||
| No. | ||
| Unless the progressives made it a hole. | ||
| Did they have one of those swirly drills? | ||
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Musto. | |
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| This is dumb. | ||
| It means nothing, and it sounds good to him, though. | ||
| It sounds good, like, oh, yes, the progressives are exploiting the desire of people to appear tolerant in order to blah, blah, blah, take over the left, or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, it sounds good to you, but it doesn't mean anything. | ||
| It's a stupid, nonsensical metaphor that you're making. | ||
| And modern conservative doesn't mean anything either. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Okay, here's my metaphor. | ||
| Imagine progressive... | ||
| The boat's still the same. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Boat's the same. | ||
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Love it. | |
| But it includes everybody. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And then everybody is just strangling progressives under the water. | ||
| I think that would be my boat metaphor. | ||
| What's the hole? | ||
| That's where they toss conservatives. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| It's a bad metaphor, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it didn't start good and we didn't fix it, but I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, that should give you some sort of sense of the kind of conversation that they're having. | ||
| It's just like, this means nothing. | ||
| Yeah, this is pointless. | ||
| So Dave, he believes that Trump should win in 2020. | ||
| Because he's a modern conservative. | ||
| He believes that it's either Biden or Trump and we've got to go Trump. | ||
| But he also subscribes to a magical style of thinking that in 2024, this will all just be over. | ||
| All this craziness that's going on, it'll just resolve itself in 2024. | ||
| It feels like there are no rules anymore. | ||
| I suspect some of the rules and decency is going to come back after a Trump second term. | ||
| I think 2024, actually, I know it sounds crazy to even talk about that. | ||
| But I think that's when things reset. | ||
| We probably have four more years of craziness and getting through, you know, whatever happens with Corona. | ||
| But I think after eight eight years of Trump, I actually think there's so much rich intellectual diversity on the right, whether it's conservative, more libertarian ones. | ||
| Rich, intellectual diversity. | ||
| Rich thing going on right now. | ||
| Rich thing. | ||
| In 2024, they are going to put up a seriously cool list of candidates that are going to be a little more traditionally presidential than Trump. | ||
| Trump will have done his job, basically, and I think they'll get Crenshaw in and Nick Cunningham. | ||
| A bunch of people that we don't even know about now, but they'll know what they're talking about and they'll know why they believe what they believe. | ||
| I got bad news for you about the right wing's feelings about Dan Crenshaw. | ||
| He's not beloved by some of the more extreme Trump types. | ||
| But he is a... | ||
| Proponent of rich intellectual diversity. | ||
| That's what we know about these guys. | ||
| I've heard Dave Rubin make comments like this in other settings, and he's included Candace Owens in the crop of folks who will be running for office. | ||
| Nick Fuentes, 2024, kill everybody that's not white. | ||
| I have bad news about the progression that things are going down. | ||
| Oh, no, they're going great. | ||
| There's a lot of QAnon candidates this cycle. | ||
| And we need to intellectually diversify, so we're adding in QAnon. | ||
| I don't see any reason to believe that 2024 is going to be magically a return of sanity. | ||
| Unless there's some kind of like some pseudo-spiritual like all the stars are in the right houses or whatever. | ||
| I heard the planets were going to align in 2024. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| There's a pole shift or something and we all transcend. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Then maybe 2024 is going to be a return to sanity. | ||
| 2024! | ||
| We're already pure light now. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We become light beings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe in those circumstances, I might be okay with what I'm hearing. | ||
| But otherwise, I think 2024 has the potential to be so much worse. | ||
| They don't understand. | ||
| I guess they just really don't even understand the strength of conservatives is that there is no diversity. | ||
| That's their power. | ||
| They say the same thing over and over and over again until people believe it. | ||
| The diversity is only going to ruin them. | ||
| With one exception, and that's Rand Paul. | ||
| And by the way, debate Jordan, you coward. | ||
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Yeah, coward! | |
| Coward! | ||
| Coward Rand Paul! | ||
| Right now, day three of Rand Paul not answering your call to debate. | ||
| We're on day three. | ||
| We're going to keep track of this. | ||
| We'll get him. | ||
| Three days since Rand Paul cowardly ducked your challenge to debate. | ||
| Yeah, quit! | ||
| Quit holding up legislation that would help people and start debating me. | ||
| Come on, Rand. | ||
| Come on, Rand, you coward. | ||
| We'll come to Kentucky. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'll even get COVID to hang out with you, Rand. | ||
| You can debate Rand. | ||
| I'll take his dad. | ||
| Is his dad still alive? | ||
| He is. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I just have a beer with Ron Paul and yell at him. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on, you racist asshole. | ||
| Tell me about invading Dominica. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I know you knew about it. | ||
| There's one thing we can agree on. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| So, a bit of this, I mean, like, really, you don't get a good sense of, like, leaving the left outside of it being this boat metaphor where progressives are using tolerance to whatever. | ||
| Pretty sure that's how we let Nazis in. | ||
| Well, whatever. | ||
| It's not really well fleshed out or thought out. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Now, a whole lot of the rest of this ends up becoming, like, Dave Rubin talking about meeting Trump. | ||
| Great. | ||
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Cool. | |
| These guys are really, really making a compelling case for this show being essential. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here's Dave discussing that. | ||
| And man, Trump is real. | ||
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So you said you met the president. | |
| When was that? | ||
| Met the president on December. | ||
| I believe it was 21st of 2019. | ||
| I was doing an event for Turning Point in West Palm Beach. | ||
| And I actually spoke in the morning. | ||
| I was opening up the day, and then they canceled everybody because Trump announced he was going to be there. | ||
| So in effect, I ended up opening up for Trump. | ||
| And I had never heard him speak live before at an event. | ||
| And I was sitting in the first or second row, I think second row. | ||
| And what I realized is, you know, Trump is basically, he's part businessman, part politician now. | ||
| But really what... | ||
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He's a true reality star. | |
| He wants to be a reality... | ||
| I think he likes that more than anything else. | ||
| He likes being real. | ||
| I always tweet this thing. | ||
| It's like, how is the orange man with crazy hair more real than any of the other people? | ||
| But it's true. | ||
| Who is more authentic, Donald Trump or Elizabeth Warren? | ||
| Who is more authentic, Donald Trump or Pete Buttigieg? | ||
| It's not even close. | ||
| I think that Dave's projecting. | ||
| I think he wishes he was a successful stand-up. | ||
| You think? | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've been doing this 20 years. | ||
| I'm still opening for Trump. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Now, let's talk about that. | ||
| That's the same thing as when you hear somebody who's like, yeah, I opened for... | ||
| I opened for... | ||
| I can't even come up with the name. | ||
| Jerry Seinfeld. | ||
| It's like, no, you were doing a spot at a club and then he dropped in. | ||
| You didn't open for him. | ||
| That's nonsense. | ||
| You can't put that on your resume. | ||
| No, that's opening for Screech. | ||
| That's how pathetic that is. | ||
| That's you in fucking Minnesota. | ||
| But Dustin Diamond just dropped in. | ||
| He doesn't even... | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He wasn't scheduled. | ||
| You got bumped for Diamond. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Ooh, brutal. | ||
| You do see that a lot, though, people trying to sort of over-inflate their resumes, and that's how it sounds, Dave. | ||
| Like, yeah, I was doing the speaking thing for Turning Point, and Trump dropped in. | ||
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Trump dropped in. | |
| So I guess I opened for him. | ||
| Did a tight five. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So Dave's mind was blown by hearing Trump... | ||
| Give a speech. | ||
| And he got it. | ||
| He started to get it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So anyway, so Trump goes up there and then for the first time when you see him speak, actually, I really put the whole thing together about how the media works with him because he goes up there and he starts talking about wind power, right? | ||
| And he goes, nobody knows more than wind power than me. | ||
| I've been studying wind power my whole life. | ||
| The whole crowd laughs. | ||
| Like he obviously means it as a joke. | ||
| And then actually he laid out some, he went back to prompter and he starts, you know, saying some interesting information about wind power. | ||
| But I turned to David and I was like, I know that the headline tonight is going to be Donald Trump claims he knows more about wind power than anybody. | ||
| And lo and behold, the articles come out. | ||
| And it's like he's just, you know, as a meme guy yourself, it's like he's just punking the hell out of it. | ||
| So this is one of these moments where you kind of have to suspect that Dave Rubin is not a sincere commentator. | ||
| If you just take this strictly based on the words he's saying then you're left to assume that he believes that the way Trump expresses authenticity is to make claims that are completely nonsensical and not true which the media will point out are nonsensical and not true and Trump's base can pretend they were masterful jokes meant to punk the media. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even if all that were true and accurate which it's not I would disagree that this is an example of a person being authentic. | ||
| This event where Dave Rubin was at, where he saw Trump speak, was a case where Trump got super weird about wind turbines for a while. | ||
| He was claiming that creating wind turbines creates more fumes and pollution than other energy sources, which is just patently not true. | ||
| That must be some of the interesting information. | ||
| Look, wind turbines create all of that by... | ||
| They blow air! | ||
| Well, no, no, because he was talking about the manufacturing process of it. | ||
| No, no, I understand. | ||
| A 2014 study found that the pollution created by manufacturing a wind turbine... | ||
| Well, that's too long. | ||
| That's too long, Dan. | ||
| We've got to go back to clean coal. | ||
| That's what we've got to do. | ||
| Trump went on to, he claimed that, quote, I've studied it better than anybody. | ||
| Then he proceeded to explain that, quote, you see all these windows, but he meant windmills if you look at the context. | ||
| Siding indoors. | ||
| You look at all these windmills, they're all different shades of color. | ||
| They're all sort of white, but one's like orange white. | ||
| That's my favorite color, orange. | ||
| It was a load of rambling nonsense that Dave Rubin is trying to recontextualize as trolling the media, but it was nothing of the sort. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| And a lot of people have noticed that it's weird how one of the first times this came up was in relation to him lobbying against the building of wind farms near the golf courses he owns in Scotland. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Weird. | |
| This was also actually, that speech the day Rubin was at, it was actually also a speech where Trump encouraged the audience to chant 16 more years instead of 4 more years. | ||
| Hey, that's great. | ||
| But that didn't seem to make an impression on Dave. | ||
| Nah, don't worry about it. | ||
| It was a completely unacceptably fascistic speech that included lines like, quote, the Democrat Party is trying to shred our Constitution, tear down our history, erase our nation's borders, and, quote, they want to punish America. | ||
| We will fight to preserve America, and that's what we're doing. | ||
| I think I just got it. | ||
| Yeah, you might have. | ||
| I think Dave Rubin just got what he wanted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If Rubin could watch that speech and the thing he comes away with is that Trump is masterfully trolling the media by claiming he's a wind expert, Dave isn't much of a thinker. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he does seem impressionable in the sense that you have this thing where Fox News personalities are all great and they're all human. | ||
| They're very nice. | ||
| And they just so happen to be the ones who invite him on the show. | ||
| Now, the other people at CNN, they're just fucking things. | ||
| Not human. | ||
| Not human. | ||
| Right, and you kind of get the sense that maybe, maybe some of this sort of positive stuff about Trump has to do with the fact that at this turning point thing, Don Jr. invited him to dinner. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Anyway, after the talk, Trump Jr. was there, and we've become kind of friendly, and I've had him on my show, and he was with Kimberly Guilfoyle, his girlfriend. | ||
| He said, hey, why don't you and David join us for dinner at Mar-a-Lago? | ||
| Obviously, we were like, yeah, let's do it. | ||
| The thing that's distracting is that Dave Rubin's husband's name is David. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| The reference gets a little bit... | ||
| That's just being cruel to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go to Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| It's hard to describe what the place is like. | ||
| It sort of looks like Trump. | ||
| It's kind of over the top and it's golden and it looks like it just got sprayed with hairspray and whatever. | ||
| But it's actually quite nice also. | ||
| Sounds like you just said garish and stupid. | ||
| In a truly gaudy sense. | ||
| There's something old school about it and tons of security and all that. | ||
| So we go in and there's two dining rooms. | ||
| It's a country club in effect. | ||
| And we go in. | ||
| There's two dining rooms. | ||
| The main dining room has maybe, I don't know, 60 people or so. | ||
| And they take us into the smaller dining room, maybe about 20 people. | ||
| And we're sitting right in the center, and it's the four of us. | ||
| And then Trump is sitting, I don't know, maybe eight feet away. | ||
| And he's with Melania and Rudy Giuliani and a couple other people. | ||
| And this is now literally like two or three days after the impeachment vote. | ||
| So he... | ||
| Every story on CNN, the walls are... | ||
| This is a great story. | ||
| Donald Trump's freaking out. | ||
| He's paranoid. | ||
| Why did he not succeed as a stand-up? | ||
| All of the nonsense. | ||
|
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He's screaming at the staff. | |
| We see him sitting there. | ||
| He has no tie on, which you very rarely see him with no tie. | ||
| You know, his hair is like a little more disheveled because he's kind of relaxed. | ||
| And he's having a ball. | ||
| He's laughing. | ||
| Giuliani's laughing. | ||
| Everyone's laughing. | ||
| Anyway, we have a really nice dinner. | ||
| And then Junior says to me, hey, do you want to meet my dad? | ||
| So we walk up to him. | ||
| And Trump's sitting and Junior says, "Hey Dad, I want you to meet Dave Rubin. | ||
| He's got a great podcast." And Trump looks at me and he goes, "You? | ||
| I recognize you. | ||
| I recognize you." And I was like, "Oh, well, I'm on Tucker a lot." And he goes, "Oh, that must be it. | ||
| That must be it." And then he turns to David. | ||
| David is my husband. | ||
| Yeah, I am gay married to a man. | ||
| He turns to my husband, David. | ||
| He goes, "Who are you?" And David goes, "Well, I'm his husband." And Trump goes like this. | ||
| He slaps his hands on the table, slaps his hands. | ||
| He goes... | ||
| Well, that's just great. | ||
| That's just great. | ||
| I can't believe it. | ||
| I want to stand up and shake your hand. | ||
| And then he shakes our hands and he turns to Melania and he goes, Melania, can you believe it? | ||
| These two guys are gay. | ||
|
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Isn't that great? | |
| And then he goes, your only problem, he goes, your only problem is you're too good looking. | ||
| This doesn't sound like a normal reaction. | ||
| Does he think that's a good... | ||
| Is that a good story? | ||
| Does that paint Trump in a positive light to him? | ||
| It doesn't sound good to me. | ||
| It sounds like he's going overboard. | ||
| It sounds like he's like, hey, we got a gay. | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
| He's saying, Trump literally told me to my face that I'm a token. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| You're the president. | ||
| It seems like a much more normal response would be like, it's a pleasure to meet you. | ||
| This is my husband, David. | ||
| I'm the president. | ||
| Hey, nice to meet you. | ||
|
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What? | |
| You're a gay? | ||
| Melania, check this out. | ||
| They do exist. | ||
| Holy shit, my son found a gay. | ||
|
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Right? | |
| How do you not read it as that? | ||
|
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It's so weird. | |
| That is awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I guess it's not mean. | ||
| If I were David, I would be very uncomfortable. | ||
| That would make me feel very sick about it. | ||
| Very uncomfortable. | ||
| But at least it's not like, I guess... | ||
| Get him away from me! | ||
| Don't let him look at me! | ||
| That's how you turn gay! | ||
| I guess that Dave Rubin's story is like... | ||
| The lowest fucking bar in terms of, like, he didn't kick me out because of that. | ||
| He did other us in a way that he never would with a heterosexual couple. | ||
| Like, can you imagine if, like, this is my wife, would you... | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| We got a man and a woman buried here. | ||
| Hold on the phone! | ||
| You stop me right now! | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that, and I had a very similar response, too. | ||
| Like, is that supposed to be a good story? | ||
| Yeah, I know, right? | ||
| That sounds really fucked up. | ||
| And I understand that Trump's like 70-something years old, and maybe because of, you know, I mean, that's not to say that all people in his age sat... | ||
| Have, like, archaic beliefs. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| But maybe, you know, there's a slight expectation. | ||
| He's an old, sheltered, rich bigot. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, it's the same thing with most people with their grandparents who try to grade on a curve. | ||
| And maybe that's kind of what Dave is doing. | ||
| But, like, he's also the fucking president. | ||
| That story should disqualify Trump for president by itself. | ||
| That is awful. | ||
| I'm not sure if it disqualifies, but it doesn't look good. | ||
| It looks like... | ||
| Here's what I'm saying. | ||
| He's the president, and you're treating it like you're sort of bigoted grandpa. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And your bigoted grandpa shouldn't be the president. | ||
| No. | ||
| So yes, when you say... | ||
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Oh, look, this guy's married to a dude! | |
| When it's your grandpa and you can tell that he's trying to get over archaic beliefs that he's had. | ||
| It's Thanksgiving, we're just going to get through the day. | ||
| Your old racist grandpa, fine. | ||
| Maybe that is a sign of progress for your grandpa. | ||
| Yeah, it could be. | ||
| And you can choose to accept or feel bad about that in your personal life however you like. | ||
| Not acceptable behavior for the president. | ||
| No. | ||
| Really embarrassing and gross. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Hey, man, let me tell you this incredibly long, boring story, but I'll shorten it up. | ||
| I'll shorten it up. | ||
| I'll just tell you the end. | ||
| The president, he saw me, and he did not hit me with a cane. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| It was the greatest interaction I've ever had. | ||
| He 100% did not hit me with a cane. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So Dave loved it. | ||
| He had a great time with the Trumps. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Anyway, long story short, I have a nice chat with him. | ||
| But I will tell you, this is the interesting part of the whole thing. | ||
| Not just that he doesn't care about who's gay. | ||
| Seems to. | ||
| I tell him a couple political theories that I have. | ||
| And at one point, he turns to Melania and he goes, honey, honey, I want you to hear this. | ||
| And the way he said honey was actually with love. | ||
| Maybe he doesn't want me to say this right now, but I got free speech. | ||
| He turns to her and he says, honey, honey, and he put his hand on her arm. | ||
| And it was very obvious to me that it was like, these people love each other. | ||
| Whatever the public persona or version of this is, it was like, they love each other. | ||
| And then he had me repeat the thing that I said to her, and she kind of responded or whatever. | ||
| And it was just nice. | ||
| Honestly, it was just nice. | ||
| Like, this guy is not Hitler. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| What Dave is blown away by is people like their families. | ||
| Now, let me tell you this. | ||
| Okay, so I'm in the bunker, right? | ||
| And I'm telling you, the way that Ava Braun just put her arm on... | ||
| It was like, is this Hitler? | ||
| The way that she said, honey. | ||
| They love each other. | ||
| Hitler can't be like Hitler. | ||
| It seems very strange to me that, first of all, this all hinges on the way that... | ||
| Trump said, honey, when he was trying to get Melania's attention to repeat one of Dave Rubin's ideas to her. | ||
| One of Dave Rubin's great ideas that Melania 100% needed to hear. | ||
| That's where we get this moment of like, oh, they're human. | ||
| That shouldn't be mind-blowing to you. | ||
| That shouldn't be a revelatory moment. | ||
| It should just be like, ah, yes, this is how spouses interact. | ||
| Furthermore, fuck you if that is a story. | ||
| Considering we had a president... | ||
| And a first lady who were incredibly affectionate for eight years that you called Hitler! | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I don't know if Dave Rubin did, but he didn't say nice things necessarily. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, your bar of affection is this private moment that you saw where he put his hand on her in such a way that just denoted that everyone loves each other. | ||
| You can't pretend that Michelle and Barack Obama didn't have... | ||
| A very loving relationship. | ||
| It was very clear. | ||
| I mean, have we heard a story about, like, from on our show, have we heard anybody tell a personal story about Trump that they said in a positive tone, but was actually an incredibly awful interaction? | ||
| We just did. | ||
| We just did. | ||
| Oh, no, I mean... | ||
| That it's always a negative thing, but they just say it in a positive tone. | ||
| Like, that's every story. | ||
| Well, I would say this. | ||
| That's what I was... | ||
| I got mixed up with the words. | ||
| What I'm trying to say is every story that they tell is Trump doing something horrific and they're telling it in a positive tone. | ||
| Like, ah, this is great. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| And then I would say that the only exception to that is when they tell a story that's, like, mind-blowing. | ||
| Like, oh my... | ||
| I cannot believe this. | ||
| And then it's like... | ||
| Even. | ||
| Like, it's a push. | ||
| It's just like, oh, yeah. | ||
| In the same way that you're talking about, like, he didn't hit me with a stick. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Great. | ||
| That doesn't make you a hero. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He's still a bad president. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, there's the, like, over the top, this is an amazing story, and then something bad, or it's like, yeah, because, like, Steve Pachanek will be, like, talk about, like, ah, Trump's great. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he needs his family around because he's got insecurities. | ||
| Yeah, exactly! | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| And then, yeah, or it's just something just benign and, like, meaningless. | ||
| Like, Trump is just the best guy in the world. | ||
| He takes showers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, I promise you, look, those tapes where you hear it say, he likes to make dirty jokes where he uses the N-word. | ||
| I'm just saying this positively. | ||
| Alex is pretending that that never happened. | ||
| Yeah, well, it didn't happen. | ||
| So, in his next clip, Dave talks about his sense of whether or not Trump wanted to be president. | ||
| Spoiler alert, Dave thinks he did not. | ||
| He didn't want to be president. | ||
| Like, that's pretty obvious to me. | ||
| Actually, the one part I left out of this is that when Junior introduced me, I said, it's an honor to meet you, Mr. President, when I shook his hand. | ||
| And I could tell, like, I thought that's what you say to the president. | ||
| And when I met Melania, I said, it's an honor to meet you, Madam First Lady. | ||
| But I could tell when I said it to Trump, I just as easily could have said, "Yo, Don, what's up?" The idea that I said it's an honor to meet you, Mr. President, you could just tell that just didn't matter to him. | ||
| He's probably Don to most of the people. | ||
| I don't think he's running around. | ||
| I think his staff probably calls him Mr. President, but it's like the guy's had his ego stroked for a long time. | ||
| But maybe we shouldn't get lost in only Trump stuff, because people talk about Trump a lot. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| We just spent 20 minutes talking about Trump. | ||
| Whoa, man. | ||
| It's almost like that's all we talk about these days. | ||
| Yeah, kind of like we're singularly obsessed with our... | ||
| Avatar, God King, hero. | ||
| It's almost like we just constantly make up stories to recontextualize our weird, obsessive love for what is very obviously fucking Hitler. | ||
| Yeah, and then always try and center ourselves in proximity to this hero, Hitler King that we have. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird. | ||
| Maybe we shouldn't do that. | ||
| Maybe we should talk about your book. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| My book is, well, it's about 40% about Trump and how great he is. | ||
| This book is called Don't Burn This Book. | ||
| And as far as I know, no one has. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Very sad. | ||
| Don't burn this book. | ||
| What a dork. | ||
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Is he talking to Trump right there? | |
| Please stop before book burnings. | ||
| It's the only way that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| So yeah, this is basically the end because it's only like a 40 minute interview. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| It's pretty compact and a bit of it is this weird boat metaphor that he doesn't elaborate on any more than we played. | ||
| But just sort of like, yeah, I left the left. | ||
| Is the boat made out of toenails? | ||
| CNN won't book me. | ||
| I'm mad about it. | ||
| I met Trump and love it. | ||
| There was not a whole lot that I got out of this beyond that. | ||
| But I do respect Carpe Donctum for one reason, and that is that he knows what he needs to improve. | ||
|
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Well, it has been a pleasure to have you, and thank you again for coming on my first show. | |
| And I'm going to try and figure out what this audio problem is, because apparently yours has been fine the whole time, and mine has been awful. | ||
| So, I think actually that's fine, because... | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Come on out. | ||
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The good audio is yours. | |
| I will say that it's not fine. | ||
| No, very not fine. | ||
| I'm not even excited that we're going to put this out because his audio is so bad that our listeners are obviously going to have a very difficult time listening to that. | ||
| See, I mean, this is trivial. | ||
| This is kind of meaningless to the larger, you know, extent of things. | ||
| Other than to, like, I think I would feel a little bit incomplete if there is this other show that Alex now has on his network that we haven't dipped our toe into a little bit. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And so I will say, now that I have tried it, I might prefer David Knight. | ||
| Man, this is bad. | ||
| Even sound problems aside. | ||
| There's no reason for this to exist. | ||
| I can't imagine even Doc Stans, if there are any, I can't imagine any of them being like, fuck yeah, the new episode of Carpe's Corner dropped. | ||
| Oh man, I really wish it was called Doc's Dojo, but... | ||
| This is so boring that I can't imagine it's useful to propaganda anybody who might have right-wing money to funnel into something. | ||
| I could see somebody wanting to use him for the clout that he has for memes, but as a talk show or as an interview thing, this is trash. | ||
| This is just no good. | ||
| So we will not be revisiting. | ||
| I guess unless maybe Alex is on, then I might check back in. | ||
| Well, I mean, come on. | ||
| Or if we have a Rob Dew appearance, see if he can hold his own. | ||
| See who's more incompetent. | ||
| You know, it does seem like all of this stuff and all of conservative media now that I am forced to interact with is just there to reinforce the false reality. | ||
| At all costs. | ||
| Like, that's what entertainment is to conservatives now. | ||
| They need people to just constantly reinforce the idea that Trump is not a moron. | ||
| Maybe, but I want to say, I want to step back from what you're saying just a tiny bit, because I don't think a lot of people would view this as entertainment. | ||
| Oh, that's fair. | ||
| Hey, all right. | ||
| I don't, I'm not sure. | ||
| How far off you are in terms of a bigger picture? | ||
| Because of the stuff that's on Fox News and shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| And Dave Rubin obviously has a broader audience, but in terms of saying that this is in any way an actual spoke in the wheel, I'm not sure that it is. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Quite honestly, more people will listen to this through our show than Carpe Talks. | ||
| Ever listen to Donk's Dojo. | ||
| I feel bad that we're almost platforming Carpe Doctum. | ||
| With this audio, Dan, I do not believe we are platforming the Donk's Dojo. | ||
| So, anyway. | ||
| I think we have scared away everyone. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| So, this is a situation where, hey, this, you know, it's not an Alex episode, but Alex is out of studio. | ||
| So, I mean, our hands are forced. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like when we see, we just, we gotta dip our toe into the world. | ||
| No, totally. | ||
| And there's stuff that other people, you know, like, nobody's looking out Donk's Dojo. | ||
| Nobody's getting it in their feed or anything like that. | ||
| Maybe the people over on Locals. | ||
| Could be, could be. | ||
| I wonder how many people have paid up. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Oh, God, those poor bastards. | ||
| Yeah, probably more than, uh, meh, I don't know. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I bet not even his mom. | ||
| I have no idea what the actual subscriber base is like there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's kind of interesting. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| The site is too unnavigatable. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Sucks. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I agree with you, though. | ||
| We've got to check in on other things in the world. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back on Monday. | ||
| Indeed we will, Dan. | ||
| And hopefully Alex will be back as well, because I want to hear what he thinks about losing a bunch of money to the Connecticut Supreme Court. | ||
| That would be very funny. | ||
| And we'll check in on that. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Now go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| And if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes. | ||
| And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm D. He's the ex-Clark. | ||
| I'm running for the Republican nomination in 2024. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |