Knowledge Fight - #460: Donk's Dojo

July 24, 2020 - Knowledge Fight

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#460: Donk's Dojo

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Donk’s Dojo dissects Roger Stone’s weak denial of a racial slur in a Mo Kelly interview, mocked for splicing nonsense like "noir" (black) as evidence. Carpe Donctum’s Carpe’s Corner—featuring Rubin (2K views), Loomer, and fringe figures—is ridiculed for poor audio and hollow conservative critiques, like Rubin’s absurd claim Fox News went "lefty." Their analysis exposes Trump’s 2019 "trolling" as wind-farm opposition and his "gay" remark as fascist tokenism, debunking Rubin’s false narrative of a competent, anti-Hitler leader. Conservative media’s obsession with mythmaking over facts becomes the episode’s core target. [Automatically generated summary]
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dave rubin

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jordan holmes

17:00

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Speaker	Time	Text
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		I have great respect for knowledge fight.
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roger stone ▲ ● ▼		I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Shang me are the bad guys.
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roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Dan and Jordan.
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roger stone ▲ ● ▼		I need money.
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alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy and Pansy.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas.
unidentified		It's time to pray.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Thanks for holding it.
		Hello, Alex.
		I'm a fifth-pin color.
		I'm a huge fan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love your room.
unidentified		Knowledge fight.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Knowledgefight.com.
unidentified		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
unidentified		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dan, what else?
unidentified		Quick question.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What's up for you today?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's your bright spot?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't you go first?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I got some thoughts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I have a complicated bright spot.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Today, as we record this in about an hour, Major League Baseball will return.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I saw a tweet about this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know you're a man who loves the sticks.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm so excited.
		I'm so excited.
		Now, obviously, the amount of resources they're taking and the risk that the players are taking is to the point of moral destruction.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I mean, we've seen what's happened with the WWE trying to power on through this.
		It's not been good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's terrible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, putting people at risk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Taking tests every single day that should be used for the population at large.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But fuck, I want to see the Cubs win.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that your fandom is so dangerous.
		Your mood does vary a lot based on sports.
		Well, mostly Cubs and Rafa-related.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Rafa's fan.
		He's skipping the U.S. Open.
		He's not going to be there for the U.S. Open.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is tragic?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's tragic.
		I don't know.
		I'm going to have to watch fucking Jokovich win it again.
		He's already tested positive for the virus.
		What an asshole.
		He's a dick, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sorry you have to do that, but I'm glad you get to watch some guys swing around bats.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's really going to be good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be weird because you usually would go to bars and watch baseball.
		Now you have two layers of weirdness.
		You can't go to the bar to watch the sport that is going to be different because of the world situations.
unidentified		What's interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I watched a preseason game last night and I was like, isn't that different from just watching a preseason?
		Sure, there's nobody there, but it's a preseason game.
		There's nobody there anyways.
		Who gives a shit?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		B-season's not that different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in the Cactus League, whenever everybody's there and they're all having a great time, but I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Once you get to the World Series and there's nobody there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that'll be fucking me up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That'd be very weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'll be terrifying.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, my bright spot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Go to the mailbag.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What do we got in the mailbag?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let me open this up here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We actually got a couple of things, and it was a very, very nice trip into the mailbag.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so the first thing we got was a nice letter from Lucy that thanked us for recognizing that the Green Bank Telescope is a telescope.
unidentified		Yes, that is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And some glasses, I believe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we did get those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some fun, like looking at the stars glasses kind of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They spread things into a different light spectrum, if I understand correctly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so thank you very much, Lucy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We appreciate that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then from Lena, I got a 12-pack of Sanzo Seltzers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm seeing that you've had a Mango Sanzo seltzer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have had a chance to try that one, and it's pretty good.
		It's very good.
		It's not sweet at all, which is really nice.
		It has kind of like a soft fruit and tea-ish vibe to it, which I enjoy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do appreciate it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've not given it a score yet, but I have tried it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have to think about it a little more because it's complex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's complex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unlike some of these other ones that are just like, you try it and you're just like, whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't fuck up watermelon.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but there's also a calamansi, which I don't know what that is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea what it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is that a melon?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Okay.
		That's one of the flavors.
		And then the other one is Lai Chi, which I'm very excited about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That'll be interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I remember having a lot of Lai Chi stuff back when I used to live in Hawaii.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I remember liking it, but I don't know if I remember the flavor at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I'm excited to try that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I will be interested.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Lena.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, thank you very much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought that was Lucy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, Lucy was the Lucy.
unidentified		Oh, that is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Sorry, my bad.
		My bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then finally, got a little something from Rosemary and Renee.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this was just a delightful note that is far too long to read on this year episode.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we got some vegan jerky and sunflower crackers for you and your partner.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yep, we have enjoyed those.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Got some spicy shark hot sauces, a jalapeno and a chipotle.
		Both very good.
		I've tried them.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not super spicy, but good flavors.
		I enjoy them quite a bit.
		Also, some seltzers that are made for children.
		So there's like a bubble gum flavor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Your chicken fingers and fry seltzer?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are we talking about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bubble gum.
		That's the only one I remember.
		But I've not tried those yet.
		We'll probably maybe do a little recording where we try them because there's two of each of them.
		So it's almost perfect for that.
		And the thing that I thought was really charming about that is that Rosemary and Renee also sent along a little note that had their rankings and ratings of the seltzers so we can compare and contrast our feelings on it.
		So that was like a really sweet care package, and I appreciate that very much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Very kind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's quite a bright spot for me.
unidentified		Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this week.
		So, Jordan, we got an episode to do here.
		Indeed, we do.
		We're going to go far astray of the beaten path here today because I've got to tell you, Alex Jones is still out of studio.
		Of course, he is.
		He has not been in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's going on for him to talk about?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nothing in the news.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Owen Schreier was hosting, and I don't care.
		Right.
		As it turns out, Alex has been out of studio this entire week, and it leaves me a little bit in the lurch of like trying to, you know, like we record this on Thursday.
		And so one of the things that we can do is like if Alex is out of the studio Monday through Wednesday, you know, I am on Wednesday evening thinking, okay, when his show starts on Thursday, I will know whether or not there is an episode of his to go over.
unidentified		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because if he's on air, then we can turn that around and try and get it out for Friday.
		But if he's out of studio, then it's like 11 o'clock, and I don't know.
		I have to now find something to do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're in limbo because you have to wait overnight.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't just start working.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		So we found something to do, and I'm pretty excited about this.
		But Alex has been out of studio, and I believe that the reason is because this week was when the Connecticut Supreme Court was deciding his motion that he was trying to overturn those sanctions against him after he went on that drunken outburst where he put a million-dollar bounty on the head of the opposing counsel, Christopher Matty.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Still a bad idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It was not a good performance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't recommend it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His former lawyer, Norm Pattis, was sitting next to him, which good you got out of that thing, Norm.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good work.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, according to CBS, quote, the court issued a seven to zero decision rejecting Jones's claims that his comments aimed at attorney Christopher Matty were protected by free speech rights and upholding a lower court's ruling that Jones violated numerous orders to turn over documents to the family's lawyers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is a gigantic blow to Alex's case.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The first thing is that he was facing steep financial penalties for the whole threatening Matty thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Again, not a good idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled on this, so Alex doesn't really have any stalling or maneuvering tactics left to deploy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Call up Gorsuch, see what we can do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if Gorsuch is going to have his back.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to have to pay those fines, and he has no recourse left, really, to continue withholding documents from those lawyers.
		Simply put, this is a very strong indication that Alex is running out of tricks in this case.
		If it's gotten to the Connecticut Supreme Court, one of his motions to is a bad sign for Alex and definitely would be a reason for him to take on an unannounced vacation.
		I'm guessing that that's what's been going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A little bender.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
		So, yeah, it is looking.
		I think that is the easiest explanation for why he's been gone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if he had to go to Connecticut for it or if it's just like, hey, all of my lawyers who were representing me have been replaced.
		It'd be a chaotic time to have to have your thing in front of the Connecticut Supreme Court.
		So I guess whenever he gets back in studio, we'll figure out exactly what's going on.
		But Alex is gone, so I had to find something else to do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are missing some peak, sad, drunk, esoteric Alex shows, though.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If he were on the show right now, yeah, no, of course.
unidentified		He'd put out another million-dollar bounty on the Supreme Court.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Almost certainly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got nothing to lose now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I did find something, and we'll get to that here in a moment, Jordan.
		But first, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to the folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
		So, first, Briogan.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Briogan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Next, there is no name, just a picture of a butt.
		Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A picture of a butt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Shanny C. with the master plan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
unidentified		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Shanny.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Bethany C. Thank you so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe related.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe related.
unidentified		Maybe she doesn't have a master plan, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or Bethany C does have a master plan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't want to put it on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Part of the master plan is not telling people about your master.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Bethany C. Thank you so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're an Ah Policy Wonk.
unidentified		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Bethany.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Little Miss Mimi, the Meerkat Muffin Top Maker of Mischief and Mayhem.
		Parentheses, aka Mimi.
		Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
unidentified		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Mimi.
		We are getting some great honorifics today.
		This is a series of kings and popes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Michael M.
		And this guy has specifically requested that we shout him out under the rank of Digital Devil Summoner.
		So thank you so much, Digital Devil Summoner, Michael M. I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Michael.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Emily B.R. to hyphenated last name.
		So Emily B.R., thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Emily.
unidentified		Thank you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Simon T. Thank you so much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are now a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Simon.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Simon.
		Thank you.
		Next, Totes Legit.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, although I don't trust you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to another policy wonk, John Quill J. Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
unidentified		I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, John Quill.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
		If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support these gents, do you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
		We would appreciate it.
		Or you can take that generosity and funnel it through a bunch of LLCs and dubiously named entities.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		To charity in your area.
		Charity in your area that supports and helps people in need.
		We would appreciate that.
		So I don't want to tell you exactly what we're going to be doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course you don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because, well, I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I texted you and I told you this is going to be infuriating.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think it will be.
		Okay.
		And it's going to be infuriating for the audience, too, quite frankly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Are we doing an episode of Oprah?
		What is happening?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But before we get to the actual episode, we have to follow breaking news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that is that there's an update on the Roger said a bad word on a radio.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're going, he's going hard all right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We have got some spin from Roger.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've got, oh, come on now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Blame somebody else.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, on July 19th, that would be Sunday, Roger was co-hosting the Alex Jones show along with Owen Schroyer, doing a little bit of a dream reunion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the war room.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The war room is back, baby.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And so he addressed the controversy because the story had broken on Sunday.
		So he's live on air with Owen.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And here is his spin on the 19th.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		I can echo exactly what you say about the fake news media because I've just been through this.
		Last Friday, I taped an interview for a LA-based progressive radio host, Mo Kelly, whose show I had done previously and with whom we had found common ground in our opposition to the racist war on drugs.
		But this broadcast was a technological disaster.
		They cut my audio feed three times.
		The second time, when they brought me back in, I was in the middle of some other show in which a woman and a man were speaking in French.
unidentified		I hung up.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		I called him.
		The first question I got from Mo Kelly was whether I had just called him a Negro, which, of course, I hadn't.
		Then he went on for the rest of the program and oscillated my Derry Air as if nothing was wrong.
		So if I had called him this so-called racial slur, a lot of my black friends argue it's not a slur, but let's put that aside because I did say it.
		Why didn't he react more aggressively?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that, like, well, I mean, I can answer the why didn't he respond more aggressively?
		I mean, because he's a professional.
		First of all, that's his business.
		And then, second of all, because Roger immediately gaslighted him by saying, like, what?
		You're out of your mind.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the response of not being like so certain that you heard what you heard is not that strange to me.
		Also, small point, the argument that people were talking in French.
		Because the word for black in French is noir.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They were speaking French, and as everybody knows, it's called Film Negro.
		That's how it works.
		What a great ass.
		What a fucking asshole.
		Because the rest of the sentence is in English.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The rest of the sentence is in English.
		I don't want to argue with this is in English, and then noir is black in French.
		It doesn't make any sense, really, that he was listening to something else that had this nonsense.
		Right.
		That's nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What an asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So this story is what he had on the 19th.
		And then on the 20th, he was a guest on Carpe Donctum's show on syndicated on Bandot Video.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On Infowars.
		And so Roger had a little bit of a more evolved excuse.
		The French part has fallen away.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've left that one go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It turns out that one's too weak even for a Roger.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say that he's going to pretend that that wasn't part of his.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		We now have the controversy du jour, which is the completely false claim that I used a racial slur in an interview with a radio talk show host in Los Angeles.
		Now, I did do a show.
		First of all, they tell you it was live.
		It was taped last Thursday for air on Saturday.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, we already have a contradiction.
		The first time he said it was taped on Friday.
		This time he says it's on Thursday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've got one.
		I don't know.
		One in the pocket.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Minor issue.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Audio transmission went down three times.
		So the 40 seconds in which they say Stone was so stunned, he said nothing.
		No, I wasn't stunned.
		They disconnected me.
		And what people will soon learn is that the three days between the time I take this and the time they aired it, what we have here is a pasted together, fabricated version of what was recorded.
		And the background noise in the section in which I allegedly use the word Negro doesn't match the background noise in any of the rest of the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Plus, the show host, a guy named Mo Kelly, goes on to be perfectly friendly.
		So if I insulted him, why for the next 45 minutes did he kiss my ass?
		None of this makes any sense.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		That didn't make any sense to me either.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Right.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		So I have gone, not one, but two different sound technicians who do a lot of audio analysis for the courts.
		And the preliminary results demonstrate that this was all spliced together.
		And I'm waiting for the second report.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sounds right.
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Could I sue Mr. Kelly?
roger stone ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I probably could.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you totally could.
unidentified		It just prolongs controversy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One, I think you're going to be proven innocent in your trial.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		100%.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In your appeal, which I'm sure is definitely still coming.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, undoubtedly.
		Man, what a swing.
		That's impressive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a swing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's impressive.
		There's an elaborate conspiracy against me.
		Occam's razor tells me that you're lying right now.
		You said why do you say that?
		Because in order for the rest of this to make sense, like what he's suggesting happened is like, okay, so there are these tech glitches, and as these tech glitches were happening, Mo Kelly operated in such a way as to be perfectly able to frame Roger for saying this word.
		And then afterwards, they were able to somehow splice in something that sounds exactly like Roger Stone saying.
unidentified		I mean, it's Mo Kelly needs to be involved.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His producers need to be involved.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, there is such a.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand either what it is he thinks that proves.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That just means he spliced in a different time you said that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would have to be Credit Cup.
		It has to be somebody.
		Yeah, someone doing a Roger impression.
		I mean, it's elaborate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or he just said it a week before.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's elaborate, but it's not.
		I don't buy this.
		This is weak.
		And you know what?
		This is Roger protesting too much.
		You should just shut up.
		Your audience, like you pointed out, does not care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They don't give this shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're fans.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They like you a little more, maybe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You may have widened the proud boy base that you have.
unidentified		Totally.
unidentified		They're fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You should just shut up because no one gives a shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No one cares.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's moved on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Everybody who doesn't like you already knew you.
		We work for Infowars, so we kind of know.
		Move along, Roger.
		I can't wait for his third excuse.
		This is what Roger does, though.
		This is the way he does damage control and spin and stuff.
		You see it throughout his career.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He gets away with it everywhere but the courts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that was pretty funny to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, that made me realize.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You want to stick with the French speaking.
		I wanted to really try.
		I wanted to explain.
		Once somebody explains what noir means in French, and they're like, and why was he, Roger?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why was the rest of that sentence in English?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I only speak a little French.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, he wasn't speaking it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He said he was watching some French programme.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
unidentified		Oh, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it was just in the background.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pathetic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But through that, I was like, hey, Carpe Donctum's got a show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's called Carpe's Corner.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, you are not going to play us a Carpe Dunktum show.
		Get the fuck out of here.
		Do not tell me that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We have to do something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, Alex is out of studio.
		There needs to be something.
		And I've listened to Owen Schroyer and David Knight, their shows.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They got nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Terrible.
		Weak.
		What if Carpe Donctum's awesome?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What if he is awesome?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he's a good brainstormer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not seeing him appear as a guest on Alex's show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's terrible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What if he's a polymath?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's good at all kinds of different things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What if left to his own devices and freed from the chains of Alex's interview style?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What if he's amazing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What if he's amazing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, so we have to find out.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I went and looked at his channel.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has 11 episodes out now.
		The most recent one was Roger Stone.
		And it's not fair to judge the most recent episode, you know, the download numbers.
unidentified		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Our view numbers, because it's like, well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got stone on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, no, it's very low.
		But it came out very recently.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, you know, maybe people haven't seen the tweets about it or whatever.
		So I went back and I looked at some of the earlier episodes.
		Episode two had Laura Loomer as a guest.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Visionary Laura Loomer, as I call her.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		2.2,000 views.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was like two months ago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dinesh D'Souza.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is episode 3.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		1.2,000.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, that's not a good direction for your views to be trending.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Episode 5, Gavin McGinnis came in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The heat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		1.5,000.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Episode 7, Benny Johnson from Turning Point USA.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's four episodes back.
		Yeah.
		Because Roger is episode 11.
		417 views.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		417 views.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's very, very light.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So those numbers are really depressing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I figured that, like, you know, the donks probably only, you know, it's not like he's only releasing these on banned.video.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I decided to check out his YouTube page, and it's not looking much better over there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The most viewed episode is Gavin McGinnis, and that's at 7.3,000 after over a month.
		It's not like his videos get no views, though.
		Like, the meme shit he posts, a lot of those still have like 10,000 to 20,000 views sometimes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Isn't great, but it's not bad for some dick making memes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're short.
		Right.
		You know, they're easy to consume.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there are also things that are like YouTube isn't the primary mode for memes.
		Yeah, yeah.
		So like if you're putting these memes out, like obviously you're going to get way more views on them in another platform.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or something.
		It's not fair to judge those.
		But even still, those memes that he would put out would still get like 10 to 20,000 on YouTube.
		So it's not like there's no traction here.
		Sure, sure.
		I think the problem with his show is that no one wants it to exist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is an issue.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even his fan base doesn't seem like they're clamoring for a talk show hosted by a guy that they just liked because he made 30-second videos that kind of pandered to their beliefs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not like you see this bee, like, I wonder what that guy would do with the long form thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
		I want a Carpe Dunctum curated 60 Minutes.
		That's what I was really thinking about.
		Give me a Charlie Rose interview, but with Carpe Donctum.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm Carpe Dunktum.
		This is 2020.
		God damn it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not saying it that time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll say it for you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I want.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like to point out that I know full well what Carpe Dunctum's real name is, and I don't care.
		There's that whole thing, like, I know that some people have pushed back whenever I call Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson, sort of Stephen Yaxley Lending or whatever.
		I'll call Tommy Robinson alternating names.
		Sure.
		But Carpe Dunctum is Carpe Dunkum.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Carpe Dunctum is Carpe Dunktum.
		You chose to call yourself that.
		You live with it for the rest of your life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, like calling Milly Weaver rainbow snatch.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's going to happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've given yourself a nickname, alias, kind of thing, and we are deciding to keep going with it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's grown beyond you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I saw these guests, Laura Loomer, Dinesh D'Souza, Gavin McGinnis, Roger Stone.
		I was like, it's a lot of people who kind of are in this milieu.
		You know, it's not uncommon to see Laura Loomer show up on InfoWars or Gavin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of less common, but not unheard of for Dinesh D'Souza to show up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's too busy generally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He probably doesn't want to get too associated with Alex, but he's been on assholes.
		And then I was like, how did this show start?
		Who was the first guest?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I was blown away that the first guest on Carpe Donctum's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you say it's Alex, I'm going to be pissed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Carpe Donctum's.
		Alex hasn't been a guest.
		Nor has any actual employees of InfoWars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And not for that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Coming up soon, I'm sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The first guest on Carpe's Corner was none other than Dave Rubin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get the fuck out of here.
		Dave Rubin.
		Dave Rubin.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Classical liberal Dave Rubin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dave Rubin.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dave Rubin was the first guest.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On Carpe Donctum's Carpe's Corner.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're off to a great corner.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I decided, like, if we're going to listen to something, let's listen to fucking Dave Rubin talk to Carpe Donkum.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a sentence that I've always wanted you to say, Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a sentence that I can't imagine anybody not wanting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe I told you this is going to be low stakes and kind of stupid and a little infuriating.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now you understand why.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I remember the first time we listened to a Bill Cooper episode, one of the things that you responded to the most was the theme song, which is Air Raid Sirens at Dog's Party.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This show is a little bit less of a good theme song.
unidentified		Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
		Welcome to Cafe's Corner.
		No.
		No.
		So happy that you're here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I want to pause.
unidentified		Carbé, Carve, Carve, Carbé.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've got to pause here for a second because there's a couple of points.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to play the rest of this song, but he does also, in the theme song, it says like, review, and subscribe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On brand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People have complained that our theme song is too long.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are just under a minute long.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's perfectly timed to the point where you can just like hit forward to a minute.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		15 seconds four times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can skip past it if you like.
		And some people say it's too long.
		I disagree.
		Carpe Donctum's theme song is a minute and a half long.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, that's too long.
		That's too long.
		Does he do it himself?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, see if you can.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you think this is his voice?
unidentified		So take a seat, have a tea, go grab yourself a beer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It can't be.
unidentified		Cape's corner.
unidentified		We'll learn about our lives.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It might be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's that for a minute and a half.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's exactly good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, that's what makes me think it's him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Only somebody with that kind of vanity would be like, a minute and 30 of me is what this show needs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and also, like, Carpe's Corner means like, what, C's' corner?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Seize the corner.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Donk's corner or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would have been smarter.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, isn't Donkin's more his name than Carpe?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Carpe is just a word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, he has on his, like, um, his logo or whatever, it says seize the donk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, obviously, carpe still means seize in terms of his stage name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, donk, I don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Donk's Dome.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Donk's Domicile.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't Dojo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Donk's Dojo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In two seconds, we've made a better name for him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Totally.
		You can have that, Carpe.
		No, you can't.
		I'll have that shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See the Donk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sees it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I have to give an apology here in advance, and that is that Carpe Donctum's audio is trash.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is shit through the entire thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dave Rubin's audio totally fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's totally fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Carpe's is to the, it's bad to the point where if I had recorded this, I would never put it out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would not release it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Every now and again, we have little pops that happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like whenever it happens and it's in the middle of something that isn't essential to the episode, I cut it out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You just cut it out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it hurts your ears.
		It's not pleasant to listen to.
		But sometimes you do have to leave it in because it's in the middle of a piece of conversation that's like, well, if I cut this out, then I have to cut out 20 minutes.
		That's no good.
		If I were Carpe Donctum and I cared about what I was doing at all, and I took anything seriously, this would never get released.
		Even if you think Dave Rubin is a git and like, I can't reschedule Dave Rubin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even if you think that, don't put this out because it's trash.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		First ever episode of Carpe's Corner.
		I am here with my very special guest, Dave Rubin.
		Say hi, Dave.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Carpe and Internet.
		You know, I've been doing a big press tour right now, but when you offered me the opportunity to be on the very first episode of Carpe's Corner, we canceled everything.
		Could have been the tonight show tonight.
		Could have been, you know, something with Wolf Blitzer or something like that.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Wolf Blitzer.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Said he's got a green.
		No, I'm just kidding.
		CNN doesn't invite me on anything.
		You know, I'm getting, I'm doing every Fox show.
		They bring me on live.
		I can say whatever I want.
		I sometimes go on Bethbell's show in my bathing suit and I'm doing shots at tequila.
		Meanwhile, zero invites from MSNBC and CNN.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Shocker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why you're on Carpe's Corner.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Shocking.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Shocking that you don't get that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Within a minute of the interview, complaining about not going out together.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My bookings are low.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bookings are not great, Carpe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why I said yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right now, I will tell you that this sounds like it should be Dave Rubin's show with professional audio, and Carpe Donctum is calling in from an island somewhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to guess that Carpe Donctum is not relevant enough to get booked on Rubin Report.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Although I have not kept up with his guests, and maybe he's been on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have no fucking idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I just mean the audio.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm brutal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's because Dave is a pro, like, at least in terms of legitimate technical stuff.
		He has a studio and stuff.
		Like, Carpe Donctum, God knows what the fuck he's doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Making memes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Dave Rubin's whole shtick for the longest time had been like, he worked at the Young Turks.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then he had this, I'm a classical liberal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I am a liberal, but the left is going crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yada, yada, yada.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he became like the favored right-wing funnel for like, he's like a liberal who gets it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was sort of his place.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He found his grift.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was his place in the marketplace.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he'd have the Rubin report, and he'd have guests on like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, Adam Carolla, Dennis Prager.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Man, luminaries.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Tommy Robinson, Mike Cernovich, these sorts of folks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He would give an uncritical platform to them, and they would just say ludicrous nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nazi laundering.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		More or less.
		Yeah, that's what his show existed to be for a bit.
		And then more recently, he's now just decided, nah, fuck it.
		And he works for the Blaze going back.
		So that's his sort of like his path through this stuff.
		And now, I don't know what he's trying to do now because I don't think there's much use for it.
		Like, I don't think the right wing has much of a use for it because he's not pretending that he's a sensible left-wing person anymore.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We got plenty of Nazis, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're full of Nazis, Dave Rubin.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the shtick is really anymore.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When you slip from being like this sort of prop that conservatives and far-right people can use to justify themselves and their free speech nonsense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When you slip from that to being like, I work for Glenn Beck now, I mean, you end up on Donctum's Corner.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You end up in the dojo.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're not calling it Carpe's Corner.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's Donctum's Dojo.
unidentified		It's kind of a bummer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't feel bad for it, but if you're Dave Rubin, you're like, I'm calling in and trying to shill my book with Carpe Donctum.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking to somebody who's underwater right now, popping air bubbles as he speaks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But Dave Rubin fancies himself a comedian because he was a comedian.
		He did do stand-up before.
		Much like Gavin McGinnis, these folks who fancy themselves hilarious and then become reactionary dicks.
		And so I think Carpe Donctum wants to start things off with a bit.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wants to start things off with, hey, this is going to be a loose environment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is why I became a successful comedian.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		I do want to ask you a little bit about what do you think of the outfits?
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Are we good with the outfit?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		You look like a very professional talk show host.
		My look is a little more with the open neck, but I understand you're in the middle of the country.
		Your expectations are a little bit different.
		The crowd usually demands that I give them a little more of the chest situation, but it's each his own.
unidentified		Okay, well, I'm just, I mean, hold on.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't like it.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't like it.
unidentified		What the pants?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		The pants were very nice.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		I hope he comes back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is great.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Carpe's corner.
		I'm your guest host, Dave Rubin, host of the Rubin Report, author of the New York Times best-selling jump for Thinking for Yourself with an Age of Unreason.
		There we go.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		This is better.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		We like it better.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he stormed off to change his outfit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dave was left to vamp, and instead of elevating the bit, he really just decided to plug.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do a little bit more.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess I feel like if you're on Donk's Dojo and he does something like that, you're kind of behooved to recognize that this is a bit and do something, as opposed to sit there like, oh, how early into the show are we?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Minute.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Minute into the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a minute into the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've played as a media.
		We've played an interminable theme song.
		And then a minute into the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		His very first show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He first for a pretend first bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		First, Dave Rubin complains that CNN isn't having a function.
unidentified		That's right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Carpe Donctum storms off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are off to a pun intended blazing section.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I didn't watch this, so I don't know what the outfit gag was, but I've tried to imagine what the funniest version of this could possibly be, and I still don't think it's worth it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All I know is bolo tie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I got.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I got for you.
		I think that when he comes back, he's wearing a Simpsons shirt or something like that because they end up talking about how The Simpsons used to be better.
		And it's like, I don't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't care about this tired conversation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like two luminaries in the world of online media, like Carpe Donctum and Dave Rubin, could come up with something better to talk about than how The Simpsons have seen better days.
unidentified		Hey, and while we're on the subject, do you like friends?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think their theme song was too long.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, Carpe Donctum learns that the audio is not good.
		Oh.
		And this is the point where I was like, wow, thank God.
		At least he'll fix it.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		So I'm getting some feedback here that my audio is choppy.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Yours is just fine, but mine is choppy.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Have you tried putting the microphone into the computer?
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Is it supposed to be plugged in?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Good bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not a bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is where I got really unfortunately disappointed.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a weird thing to say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is where I got disappointed with the Carpe Donctum show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I realized they're not going to fix this.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to do this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
		Got to do it.
		The show must go on.
		The fans are demanding more Donks Dojo, damn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand.
		I mean, he does say that they did pre-screen stuff and they tested everything and it was fine and now it's not.
		And I don't know if I believe that.
		But even if you did, then there's another problem and you've got to delay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is unlistenable.
		You can't put out a product like this and expect anyone.
		Like, this is why you end up with receding numbers.
		I mean, granted, I did listen to a little bit of the Laura Loomer one and the audio is fixed.
unidentified		Good, good, good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But, like, this is your shot, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You got Ruben in the house.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's no way you could be like, hey, I'm going to call Dave back in about a half hour.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get the audio worked out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I think he did it live.
		And so, like, but even so, even if you have it going live, there's no rule that says you can't be like, guys, we got to fix this.
		We'll be right back.
		And then put the theme song on again.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		By the time that theme song's over, you'll have your problem fixed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Damned.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We did it in our live streams.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, definitely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It sucks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's awful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It feels bad to tell a room of people who are watching, like, hey, we have a problem.
		We need to fix it.
		But the alternative is do shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if this is what you're bringing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Uh-uh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, they get to talking about Twitter censorship.
		Of course.
		That's one of the big Piccadillos.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The biggest problems of today.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Culture War stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so Dave Rubin has an interesting perspective on it that is somewhat along the lines of like, yeah, Twitter can do whatever they want.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he also seems to want to suggest that there's a conspiracy going on.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		She's locked out and she has appealed the suspension.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about Candace Owens being locked out of her account.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		But nobody's gotten back to her.
		So she's trying to figure out what to do because it's like she's a private citizen.
		She's allowed to make a comment.
		Now, as a private company, you know my feelings on this.
		Twitter can do what they want.
		But did the government put pressure on Twitter to boot her?
		And are they ever going to let her back?
		And once you're deplatformed, it's like they're taking away your ability to make a living for people like us.
		So we do have to figure out some alternatives.
		And you know that I do believe in competition and I put my money where my mouth is.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		That is true.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		You have offered me a spot at Locals, which I greatly appreciate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll get back to that in a second.
		The theory that the Donald Trump government has somehow pressured Twitter to not let Candace Owens on.
		I'm going to need a source on this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to need a citation on this, Dave, before you're just wildly throwing that around.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So your government, who is 100% in agreement with all the bullshit Candace Owens.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I believe Trump has even tweeted positive things about Candace Owens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They put pressure on Twitter to lock her out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're locked her out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Specifically.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, this is how you have that weasely position.
		Like, obviously, yes, Twitter can choose to do what they want in terms of the service that they provide.
		Now, how do I get around that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Somebody must be forcing them to do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How do I get around the implications of me having this seemingly rational belief?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How can I turn this wacky?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't allow people to believe that that's what I believe because they'll get very angry at me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll lose the donks of the world.
		Yeah, so I don't know.
		That's real, real silly.
		I don't cut into that at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he can't pull off globalists.
		He has to say the government.
		He can't even say, can he even say it's like the deep state in the government doing it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet he probably could.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they could probably pull that out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So then we get to Dave Rubin bringing up locals, or I believe Carpe Donctum brought up locals.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For singles.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this is something that Dave Rubin has launched.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's basically a weird sort of Patreon kind of thing.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I signed up for an account on it to have a look around, and it is not great website.
		It's really hard to tell how many creators are actually on the platform because once you sign up for an account, there's no option to browse content creators to discover new folks who you might be interested in.
		Like, oh, they're here.
		Oh, that's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All you can do is search for names and see if something comes up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		InfoWars and Alex Jones yield no results, so I guess they're not part of Dave's concept of free speech.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're all the way in Austin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're not locals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the site is basically just a Patreon-style crowdfunding site with a little more of a social media bend to it.
		You can join a specific creator's quote-unquote community for a fee, then you're allowed to see their news feed and whatever they choose to post on it.
		Basically, it's like a free speech Twitter that you have to pay for.
		Yeah.
		Overall, I found the roster of folks who have accounts on there to be lacking.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What do we got?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like Andy No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a hero.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Carpe Donctum.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course, Donk's on there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dave Rubin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dave Rubin's on there, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Some names I didn't recognize.
		All right.
		I found the site's navigational capacity to be shit.
		And the idea of there being like a paywall aspect to it is a huge turnover.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Insane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no way the government, Trump's government, pressured Twitter to kick Candace Owens off, and there's no way this is ever going to work as a website.
		It's just trash.
		There are just slight tweaks that need to be made to even make it appealing as a user experience.
		You have to come in knowing whose community you want to find.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're trying to steal people from another business.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're hoping that whoever you invite to join, as he invited Carpe Donctum to, is going to bring all of the people that they would be bringing along with it to it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he wants those 487 views, buddy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's got to be on locals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, that's the plan: is like, whatever people aren't allowed on other things, have them migrate their base to this platform, and then we can take a cut off the topic.
unidentified		Totally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which isn't like, I mean, it's not like it's not the first middleman website that's ever been.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, and it's not intrinsically an evil thing.
		No.
		It's just not revolutionary.
		And I guarantee that if people behaved in ways that were illegal, they would get kicked off that as well.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, they would have to.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because you're creating these communities that are facilitated by this local's website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so, like, if somebody is organizing Nazi rallies or a violent kind of event, then you would have to kick them off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then, oh, where's free speech?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't understand.
		Like, do they just not understand who they're dealing with?
		Like, does Dave Rubin not get that if you create a place for all the people who got kicked off Twitter, you're going to find out that all the people who got kicked off Twitter were Nazis.
		Well, and now they're a group of Nazis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Stave's getting around it the same way Alex is, which is like banned.video is supposed to be the place where all the banned people go, but it's invitation only.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can't post there unless Alex explicitly allows you to.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dave Rubin invites people to come on to locals as opposed to it being a thing where anybody can sign up for creator accounts.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Dave gets to talking about how, like, you know, Fox News, he's on there a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And wouldn't you know it, the people who work there, they're more human than like people at CNN, where incidentally, they don't invite him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It does seem like he has a conflict of interest here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like there might be a little bit of a like, hey, people who want to have me around seem cooler than the people who don't.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		So I think they've just figured out a way to make people to bring on hosts that are more human.
		Where on CNN, it's like, nobody really wants to hang out with Chris Cuomo.
		Imagine Wolf Blitzer.
		Imagine Wolf Blitzer laughing.
		I mean, these aren't real people.
		They've become these one-dimensional things.
		And, you know, that being said, I would still go on their shows if they invited me.
		I'm on a book tour right now, and I haven't been invited by any of them, but I get invited by Fox all the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This makes me very sad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
unidentified		These people aren't even humans that said.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would love to be on their shows.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm on a book tour.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, you talk to non-humans all the time.
		It's like in a video game.
		They're NPCs.
		Come on, man.
		I played Final Fantasy XI now.
		I know what's up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're like a couple minutes into this interview, and it's the second time he's brought up that no one at CNN wants it bond.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It turns out those guys whose brand is reactionary victimhood is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dave Rubin's one of these guys, too, that I always thought, he's interesting, but I don't want to talk about it because I feel like other people, like the Majority Report does a really good job of covering Dave Rubin-related content, taking care of his business.
		And he's not really on InfoWars much.
		And the only reason that we're really even doing this is because this is on Carpe Donctum's show on InfoDAM.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Got to do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be done, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it does bum me out a bit.
		This next clip here, Carpe Donctum, is sort of dealing with Dave's assertion that people at Fox News are more human than people at CNN.
		And now he thinks that Fox News has gone lefty.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's gone lefty, man.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, there's a you know, there's sort of a debate of, you know, has Fox News gone lefty?
		Have they gone progressive?
		You know, I think it's really started after, what's his name took over?
		He's on the board now, Paul Ryan.
		But.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Wait, is Paul Ryan?
		You mean Paul Ryan, the former congressman, Paul Ryan?
		He's on the board of Fox News.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		He's on something of Fox News.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't know that.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That clip is really interesting to me because here we have Carpe Donctum making a claim, which is that Paul Ryan is on the board of Fox News.
		Sure.
		Dave Rubin is surprised by this claim, which implies that he has no idea if it's true or not.
		In response to Dave being surprised by the claim, the donk loses his confidence in his own claim and says that Paul Ryan's on the board of something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's probably there somewhere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This leads me to believe that neither of these dudes really actually know what they're talking about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's vague ideas about stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I feel like Paul Ryan's on the board there.
		Somebody must be doing something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I read a headline.
		So in March 2019, it was announced that Paul Ryan was joining the board of Fox Corp, the parent company of Fox News.
		This was all part of the reorganization that came after Disney bought 21st Century Fox, but they didn't buy the properties that involved Fox News.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thus, Fox News and the Fox TV stations were reorganized as a standalone company called Fox Corp, and the board of directors for this parent company needed to be appointed.
		Paul Ryan is on that board, but Rupert Murdoch and his son Lachlan are largely still the ones.
		Shorns.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's more of just like a, I would assume it's largely a, here's a hammock.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It just never occurs to these guys that maybe they've gone Nazi and you can't be a Nazi in the mainstream yet.
		You can be mostly, you can be 75% Nazi in the mainstream, but you can't go full Nazi.
		They're like, well, we've gone full Nazi, so that means that the Fox News must be going on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about Carpe Donctum's lefty critique.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
		They just can't, like, they can't wrap their heads around.
		Maybe we became Nazis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe we're super far to the left.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we got too far to the right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
		If Karpe Dogtam is serious that Fox News is going progressive or lefty, then it should be some indication, like you're saying, of how extremely far to the right he is.
		Yeah.
		And the fact that Dave Rubin doesn't take that as some kind of a really weird sign of his politics.
		Like this person who's interviewing you is saying that Fox News is going lefty.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fox News of the literally black people are coming to take your property away.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Caravan.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Left.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Too progressive.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Build the wall like most progressives want.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real lefty stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A state-run propaganda network, essentially.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would see that as a troubling sign if I were Dave Rubin and I were being interviewed by the dog.
		I would need to take at least 20 minutes to unpack that.
		Why do you think Fox News is ask the question?
		Even if I were in Dave Rubin's position where I'm this guy who's like, hey, I'm sensible.
		I'm in the middle politically.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, he gets invited on Fox News all the time.
		Yeah.
		Shouldn't he be a little, you know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's supposed to be the guy who went away from the left.
unidentified		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now he's being accused of being on a lefty platform.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's too lefty now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
		So, but I mean, like, his whole brand and the whole thing is about leaving the left.
		That's Dave Rubin's entire rison d'être.
		And so Carpe brings this up a little bit here to get into that.
		Because, of course, if you're having him on, that's what you want to talk about.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		I really enjoyed your personal.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Again, I've only read about half of it because I had so much to do this week.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So much.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		Your personal stories, your early on, sort of your going down the path of not being a progressive anymore.
unidentified		When do you think that the progressive movement started going so far?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I want to hear this.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny because people will say to me, how is it possible you were one of them?
		And sometimes, honestly, it's hard for me to remember what it was like to think like that.
		But you can literally find videos of me supporting Bernie Sanders five years ago.
		Those videos are on YouTube somewhere where I'm saying I agree with Bernie Sanders, blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dun, dun, dun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now we can see his true colors, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what?
		In the primary against Hillary?
		Of course you did, Dick.
		You were pretend.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		You were fucking weirdo conservative pretended to be a liberal back then.
unidentified		You had to hate him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Of course you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Of course you favored Bernie Sanders to Hillary.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You were sowing division.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You weren't believing in anything you were saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't, if that's his marquee example of like, I can't imagine what it was like to think like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine what it was like to think that I needed to tear down and restructure the entire government.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a crazy idea that I would never hold.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Dave's answer for this question relies on a boat metaphor.
		All right.
		And I guess the Democrats or the left are the boat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then there are water-breathing socialists who are underneath the boat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And here's how that goes.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		So you have to understand that liberalism, as it's presented today, when people talk about the libtards and all that stuff, what they're really addressing is socialists and collectivists and the progressive wing of this thing.
		And I think what happened was good liberals, what's the deal with liberals?
		Well, liberals are open-minded.
		Possibly, they don't like seeing other voices and all of that.
		And liberals basically want to be liked, I think, in a way that conservatives actually don't, which is a credit to conservatives in a weird way.
		And I think what the progressives saw was they saw the weak underbelly.
		Like, picture it's a ship.
		Like, liberalism is a ship, and then the progressives are swimming underneath, and then they see a little hole.
		And what that hole was, was tolerance.
		That liberals always want to be tolerant.
		So the progressives got in there, and then by tricking everybody, pretending that they're tolerant all the time.
		We love black people, we love gay people, we love Muslims, we love trans people, which, of course, they love none of those people.
		They only love the ones that behave, not the ones that.
		But they saw the weak underbelly of liberalism, and they just went in there and they ripped the whole thing apart.
		And that's why there are no liberals anymore.
		You know, there's Bill Maher as a liberal, and I can't tell him a liberal.
		I still consider myself a liberal, but by any estimation, I mean, really, the phrase that I like now, now that I've been being interviewed a lot, I would consider myself a modern conservative.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		New label.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Modern conservative, whatever that's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I consider myself a liberal, but I mean, obviously, what I really am is a modern conservative.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		I went from classical liberal to modern conservative.
		I just chose a different time designation and then flipped my alignment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, I'm personally a Baroque centrist.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm a Rococo-libertarian.
		Whatever.
		All right, buddy.
		So I want to just talk about this metaphor a tiny bit.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I don't necessarily believe that this is even the case, but how easy is it just to be like, aha, let's imagine the same boat and it's conservatism and the people under the boat are the Tea Party.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And instead of tolerance, the hole is racism.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		There you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Play the same stupid game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, all right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here's my metaphor for this boat.
		All right.
		Remember the Mayflower.
		Imagine the Mayflower.
		I hear you.
		In that time period when the Mayflower existed, when you could be a classical liberal, right?
		And there's a little hole in the boat of the Mayflower, and they let all the Nazis in and then made a country out of it.
		That's about the boat that I consider.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, this isn't good because you don't help us sow division with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're not helping us with the two-sided thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm just saying that Nazism has basically been here from the beginning.
		You see what I'm saying?
		Until we let them in that boat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because there was a hole in the boat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And everybody died of scurvy on the boat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My feeling on this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think this metaphor got away from me.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think it did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My feeling on this is that Dave Rubin's supposed to be a guy who's got these ideas that are really cool and good.
		And I think this is a dumb idea.
		Right.
		And so because of tolerance, and Democrats like to be liked.
		So the left, they're the people in the boat, and they like to be liked.
		And then there's a hole at the bottom of the boat, which is tolerance, which kind of makes you think that left to their own devices, tolerance would sink the left.
unidentified		There's a hole at the bottom of a boat sinks a boat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's plugged with progressives, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
unidentified		Well, the progressives pulled the plug.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they did pull the plug.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm expanding his metaphor a little bit here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're growing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because otherwise it's not a hole.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unless the progressives made it a hole.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did they have one of those swirly drills?
		Musto.
		Yeah, I think so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is dumb.
		It means nothing.
		And it sounds good to him, though.
		It sounds good.
		Like, oh, yes, the progressives are exploiting the desire of people to appear tolerant in order to blah, blah, blah, take over the left or whatever.
		Yeah, it sounds good to you, but it doesn't mean anything.
		It's a stupid nonsensical metaphor that you're making.
		And modern conservative doesn't mean anything either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
		I think, okay, here's my metaphor.
		All right.
		Imagine progressive.
		The boat's still the same.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boat's the same.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But it includes everybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then everybody is just strangling progressives under the water.
		I think that would be my boat metaphor.
		What's the hole?
		That's where they toss conservatives.
		Oh, progressives.
		Yeah, whatever.
		It's a bad metaphor, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it didn't start good and we didn't fix it.
		But I don't know.
		Anyway, that should give you some sort of sense of the kind of like conversation that they're having.
		It's just like, this means nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is pointless.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, Dave, he believes that Trump should win in 2020 because he's a modern conservative.
		Modern conservative.
		He believes that, like, wow, I mean, you know, it's still just, it's either Biden or Trump, and we've got to go Trump.
		But he also subscribes to a magical style of thinking that in 2024, this will all just be over.
		Yay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All this craziness that's going on, it'll just resolve itself in 2024.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		It feels like there were no rules anymore.
		I suspect some of the rules and decency is going to come back after a Trump second term.
		I think 2024, actually, I know it sounds crazy to even talk about that, but I think that's when things reset.
		We probably have four more years of craziness and getting through whatever happens with Corona.
		But I think after eight years of Trump, I actually think there's so much rich intellectual diversity on the right, whether it's to be conservatives or more traditional religious conservatives or more libertarian ones.
		Rich cool thinkers like intellectual.
		I think the right is such a rich thing going on right now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Rich thing.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		In 2024, they are going to put up a seriously cool list of candidates that would be a little more traditionally presidential than Trump.
		Trump will have done his job, basically.
		And I think they'll get Crenshaw in and a bunch of people that we don't even know about now, but they'll know what they're talking about and they'll know why they believe what they believe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I got bad news for you about the right wing's feelings about Dan Crenshaw.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not beloved by some of the more extreme Trump types.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But he is a proponent of rich intellectual diversity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what we know about these guys.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've heard Dave Rubin make comments like this in other settings, and he's included like Candace Owens and the crop of folks who will be in the running for office.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nick Fuentes 2024, kill everybody that's not white.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have bad news about the progression that things are going through.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, they're going great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of QAnon candidates this cycle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we need to intellectually diversify.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So we're adding in QAnon people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't see any reason to believe that 2024 is going to be magically a return of sanity, unless there's some kind of like some pseudo-spiritual, like all the stars are in the right houses or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I heard the planets were going to align in 2022.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a pole shift or something, and we all transcend.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And maybe 2024 is going to be a return to sanity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		2024.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're already pure light now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We become light beings.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe in those circumstances, I might be okay with what I'm hearing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But otherwise, I think 2024 has the potential to be so much worse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They don't understand.
		I guess they just really don't even understand the strength of conservatives is that there is no diversity.
		That's their power.
		They say the same thing over and over and over again until people believe it.
		The diversity is only going to ruin them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With one exception, and that's Rand Paul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And by the way, debate, Jordan, you coward.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, coward.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Coward, Rand Paul.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right now, day three of Rand Paul.
		Day three.
		Not answering your call.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're on day three.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to keep a track.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to keep track of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We'll get him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Three days since Rand Paul cowardly ducked your challenge to debate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, quit holding up legislation that would help people and start debating me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Come on, Rand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on, Randy Power.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Come to Kentucky.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'll even get COVID to hang out with you, Rand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can debate Rand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'll take his dad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is his dad still alive?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just have a beer with Ron Paul.
		I yell at him about it.
		Go on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Come on, you brings his ass up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're going to tell me about invading Dominica.
unidentified		Come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know you knew about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's one thing we can agree on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So a bit of this, I mean, like, really, you don't get a good sense of leaving the left outside of it being this boat metaphor where progressives are using tolerance to whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pretty sure that's how we let Nazis in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not really well fleshed out or thought out.
unidentified		Not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, the whole lot of the rest of this ends up becoming like Dave Rubin talking about meeting Trump.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		Cool.
		These guys are really, really making a compelling case for this show being essential.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here's Dave discussing that.
unidentified		And man, Trump is real.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		So you said you met the president.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		When was that?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Met the president on December, I believe it was 21st of 2019.
		I was doing an event for Turning Point in West Palm Beach.
		And I actually spoke in the morning.
		I was opening up the day, and then they canceled everybody because Trump announced he was going to be there.
		So in effect, I ended up opening up for Trump.
		And I had never heard him speak live before at an event.
		And I was sitting in the first or second row, I think, second row.
		And what I realized is, you know, Trump is basically, he's part businessman, part politician now.
		But really what underlies all that is he wants to be a stand-up comic, I think, more than anything else in a lot of ways.
		Like, he goes.
@carpedonktum ▲ ● ▼		He's a true reality star.
		He wants to be a reality.
		I think he likes that more than anything else.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		He likes being real.
		I always tweet this thing.
		It's like, how is the orange man with crazy hair more real than any of the other people?
		But it's true.
		It's like, who is more authentic?
		Donald Trump or Elizabeth Warren?
		Who's more authentic?
		Donald Trump or Pete Buttigedge.
		It's not even a protest.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that Dave's projecting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he wishes you his successful stand-up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You think?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I also have been doing this 20 years.
		I'm still opening for Trump.
		Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's talk about that.
		That's the same thing as when you hear somebody who's like, yeah, I opened for, I can't even come up with the name, Jerry Seinfeld.
		It's like, no, you were doing a spot at a club and then he dropped in.
		You didn't open for him.
		That's nonsense.
		You can't put that on your resume.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's opening for Screech.
		That's how pathetic that is.
		That's you in fucking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Don't just dropped in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't even scheduled.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't scheduled.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got bumped for diamonds.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, brutal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You do see that a lot, though.
		People trying to sort of over-inflate their resumes.
		And that's how it sounds, Dave.
		Like, yeah, I was doing the speaking thing for Turning Point, and Trump dropped in.
unidentified		Trump dropped in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess I opened for it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did a tight five.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
		So Dave's mind was blown by hearing Trump give a speech.
		And he got it.
		He started to get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		So, anyway, so Trump goes up there, and then for the first time, when you see him speak, actually, I really put the whole thing together about how the media works with him.
		Because he goes up there and he starts talking about wind power, right?
		And he goes, nobody knows more than wind power than me.
		I've been studying wind power my whole life.
		The whole crowd laughs.
		Like, he obviously means it as a joke.
		And then actually, he laid out some, he went back to Prompter and he starts, you know, saying some interesting information about wind power.
		But I turned to David and I was like, I know that the headline tonight is going to be, Donald Trump claims he knows more about wind power than anybody.
		And lo and behold, the articles come out.
		And it's like he's just, you know, as a meme guy yourself, it's like he's just punking the hell out of it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this is one of these moments where you kind of have to suspect that Dave Rubin is not a sincere commentator.
		No.
		If you just take this strictly based on the words he's saying, then you're left to assume that he believes that the way Trump expresses authenticity is to make claims that are completely nonsensical and not true, which the media will point out are nonsensical and not true, and Trump's base can pretend they were masterful jokes meant to punk the media.
		Right.
		Even if all that were true and accurate, which it's not, I would disagree that this is an example of a person being authentic.
		This event where Dave Rubin was at, where he saw Trump speak, was a case where Trump got super weird about wind turbines for a while.
		He was claiming that creating wind turbines creates more fumes and pollution than other energy sources, which is just patently not true.
		That must be some of the interesting information.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Look, wind turbines create all of that by they blow air.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no, because he was talking about like the manufacturing process.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A 2014 study found that the pollution created by manufacturing a wind turbine is offset within five to eight months of them being in operation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's too long.
		That's too long, Dan.
		We've got to go back to clean coal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what we've got to do.
		Trump went on to, he claimed that, quote, I've studied it better than anybody.
		Then he proceeded to explain that, quote, you see all these windows, but he meant windmills if you look at the context.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Siding indoors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You look at all these windmills.
		They're all different shades of color.
		They're all sort of white, but one's like orange-white.
		That's my favorite color, orange.
		It was a load of rambling nonsense that Dave Rubin is trying to recontextualize as trolling the media.
		But it was nothing of the sort.
		He was an unhinged idiot just talking shit.
		Trump has been very opposed to the expansion of wind power, and a lot of people have noticed that it's weird how one of the first times this came up was in relation to him lobbying against the building of wind farms near the golf courses he owns in Scotland.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This was also actually that speech that Dave Rubin was at.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was actually also a speech where Trump encouraged the audience to chant 16 more years instead of four more years.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Though that didn't seem to make an impression on him.
		Yeah, don't worry about it.
		It was a completely unacceptably fascistic speech that included lines like, quote, the Democrat Party is trying to shred our Constitution, tear down our history, erase our nation's borders, and, quote, they want to punish America.
		We will fight to preserve America, and that's what we're doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think I just got it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you might.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think Dave Rubin just got what he wanted.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If Rubin could watch that speech and the thing he comes away with is that Trump is masterfully trolling the media by claiming he's a wind expert, Dave isn't much of a thinker.
		No.
		But he does seem impressionable in the sense that you have this thing where Fox News personalities are all great and they're all human.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're very nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they just so happen to be the ones who invite him on the show.
		Now the other people at CNN, they're just fucking human.
		Right.
		And you kind of get the sense that maybe, maybe, some of this sort of positive stuff about Trump has to do with the fact that at this turning point thing, Don Jr. invited him to dinner.
unidentified		There you go.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, after the talk, Trump Jr. was there and we've become kind of friendly and I've had him on my show and he was with Kimberly Gilfoyle's girlfriend.
		He said, hey, why don't you and David join us for dinner at Mar-a-Lago?
		And obviously we were like, yeah, let's do it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The thing that's distracting is that Dave Rubin's husband's name is David.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The reference gets a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's just being cruel to me.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to describe what the place is like.
		It sort of looks like Trump.
		It's kind of over the top and it's golden and it looks like it just got sprayed with hairspray and whatever.
		But it's actually quite nice also.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like you just said garish and stupid.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		It's like a truly gaudy sense.
		There's something old school about it and tons of security and all that.
		So we go in and there's two dining rooms.
		It's a country club in effect.
		And we go in.
		There's two dining rooms.
		The main dining room has maybe, I don't know, 60 people or so.
		And they take us into the smaller dining room, maybe about 20 people.
		And we're sitting right in the center and it's the four of us.
		And then Trump is sitting, I don't know, maybe eight feet away.
		And he's with Melania and Rudy Giuliani and a couple other people.
		And this is now literally like two or three days after the impeachment vote.
		So he, every story on CNN, the walls are Donald Trump's freaking out.
		He's paranoid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why did he not succeed in the standout?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		All of the nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's screaming.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		He's standing there.
		We see him sitting there.
		He has no tie on, which you very rarely see him with no tie.
		You know, his hair is like a little more disheveled because he's kind of relaxed.
		And he's having a ball.
unidentified		He's laughing.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Giuliani's laughing.
		Everyone's laughing.
		Anyway, we have a really nice dinner.
		And then, and then Junior says to me, Hey, do you want to meet my dad?
		So we walk up to him and Trump's sitting.
		And Junior says, Hey, dad, I want you to meet Dave Rubin.
		He's got a great podcast.
		And Trump looks at me and he goes, you know what?
		I recognize you.
		I recognize you.
		And I was like, oh, well, I'm on Tucker a lot.
		And he goes, oh, that must be it.
		That must be it.
		And then he turns to David.
		David is my husband.
		Yeah.
		I am gay married to a man.
		He turns to my husband, David.
		He goes, who are you?
		And David goes, well, I'm his husband.
		And Trump goes like this.
		He slaps his hands on the table, slaps his hands.
unidentified		He goes, well, that's just great.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		That's just great.
		I can't believe it.
		I want to stand up and shake your hand.
		And then he shakes our hands and he turns to Melania and he goes, Melania, can you believe it?
		These two guys are gay.
		Isn't that great?
		And then he goes, your only problem, he goes, your only problem is you're too good looking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This doesn't sound like a normal reaction.
unidentified		Does he think that's a good, is that a good story?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Does that paint Trump in a positive light to him?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't sound good to me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like he's going overboard a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like he's like, hey, we got a gay.
		Like, that's what he's saying.
		He's saying, Trump literally told me to my face that I'm a token.
		And I was like, you're the president.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like a much more normal response would be like, it's a pleasure to meet you.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is my husband, David, and the president.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, nice to meet you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
		You're a gay?
		Melania, check this out.
		These two exams.
unidentified		Holy shit, the son found a gay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		How do you not read it as that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is awful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I guess it's not mean.
		If I were David, I would be very uncomfortable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That would make me feel very singled out and very uncomfortable.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at least it's not like a guess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Get him away from me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Don't let him look at me.
		That's how you turn gay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess that Dave Rubin's story is like the lowest fucking bar in terms of like he didn't kick me out.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He did other us in a way that he never would with a heterosexual couple.
unidentified		Like, can you imagine if like, this is my wife.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What you, holy shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We got a man and a woman buried.
unidentified		On the phone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You stop me right now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
		I heard that, and I had a very similar response too.
		Like, is that supposed to be a good story?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That sounds really fucked up.
		And I understand that Trump's like 70-something years old.
		Maybe because of, you know, I mean, that's not to say that all people in his age set are have like archaic beliefs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But maybe, you know, there's a slight expectation to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's an old, sheltered, rich bigot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to do?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And, you know, it's the same thing with most people with their grandparents who try to grade on a curve.
		And maybe that's kind of what Dave is doing.
		But like, he's also the fucking president.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That story should disqualify Trump for president by itself.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is awful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if it disqualifies, but it doesn't look good.
		It looks like, you know, look, here's what I'm saying.
		He's the president, and you're treating it like your sort of bigoted grandpa.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like, your bigoted grandpa shouldn't be the president.
		No.
		So, like, yes, when you say, like, oh, look, this guy's married to a dude.
		When it's your grandpa and he's like, you can tell that he's trying to get over archaic beliefs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's Thanksgiving.
		We're just going to get through the day.
		Your old racist grandpa.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that is a sign of progress for your grandpa.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it could be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you can choose to accept or feel bad about that in your personal life, however you like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not acceptable behavior for the president.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's really embarrassing and gross.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, man, let me tell you this incredibly long, boring story, but I'll shorten it up.
		I'll shorten it up.
		I'll just tell you the end.
		The president, he saw me and he did not hit me with a cane.
		It was incredible.
		It was the greatest interaction I've ever had.
		He 100% did not hit me with a cane.
		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Dave loved it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He had a great time with the Trump.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, long story short, I have a nice chat with him, but I will tell you, this is the interesting part of the whole thing.
		Not just that he doesn't care about who's gay, is that I tell him a couple political theories that I have.
		And at one point, he turns to Melania and he goes, Honey, honey, I want you to hear this.
		And the way he said honey was actually with love.
		Maybe he doesn't want me to say this right now, but I got free speech.
		He turns to her and he says, Honey, honey, and he put his hand on her arm.
		And it was very obvious to me that it was like, these people love each other.
		You know, whatever the public persona or version of this is, it was like they love each other.
		And then he had me repeat the thing that I said to her, and she kind of responded or whatever.
		And it was just nice.
		Honestly, it was just nice.
		Like, this guy is not Hitler.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That's weird.
		I mean, if what Dave is blown away by is people like their families.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me tell you this.
		Okay, so I'm in the bunker, right?
		And I'm telling you, the way that Ava Braun just put her arm on, it was like, is this Hitler?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The way that she said honey to Hitler.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They love each other.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hitler can't be like Hitler.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems very strange to me that, first of all, this all hinges on the way that Trump said honey when he was trying to get Melania's attention to repeat one of Dave Rubin's ideas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		One of Dave Rubin's great ideas that Melania 100% needed to get.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's where we get this moment of like, oh, they're human.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That shouldn't be mind-blowing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		That shouldn't be, like, that shouldn't be a revelatory moment.
		It should just be like, ah, yes, this is how spouses interact.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Furthermore, fuck you if that is a story, considering we had a president and a first lady who were incredibly affectionate for eight years that you called Hitler.
unidentified		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if Dave Rubin did, but he didn't say nice things necessarily.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, if you're, yeah, your bar of affection is this private moment that you saw where he put his hand on her in such a way that just denoted that everyone loves each other.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can't, you can't pretend that Michelle and Barack Obama didn't have a very loving relationship, but it was very clear.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, have we heard a story about, like, from on our show, have we heard anybody tell a personal story about Trump that they said in a positive tone, but was actually an incredibly awful interaction?
		You know, like every time you guys did.
		Oh, no, I mean, that it's always a negative thing, but they just say it in a positive tone.
		Like, that's every story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was saying.
		I got mixed up with the words.
		But what I'm trying to say is every story that they tell is Trump doing something horrific, and they're telling it in a positive tone.
		Like, yeah, this is great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		There is that.
		And then I would say that the only exception to that is when they tell a story that's like mind-blowing, like, home, I cannot believe this.
		And then it's like even.
		Like, it's a push.
		It's just like, oh, yeah.
		In the same way that you're talking about, like, he didn't hit me with a stick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Great.
		That doesn't make you a hero.
		No.
		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's still a bad president.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, yeah, there's the over the top.
		This is an amazing story and then something bad.
		Or it's like, yeah, because like Steve Pieczeniko would be like, talk about like, ah, Trump's great.
		Yeah, yeah, he needs his family around because he's got his.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not good.
		And then, yeah, or it's just something just benign and like meaningless.
		Like, Trump is just the best guy in the world.
		He takes showers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Now, I promise you, and you look, those tapes where you hear it's that he likes to make dirty jokes where he uses the N-word.
		I'm just saying this positively.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is pretending that that never happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it didn't happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, in this next clip, Dave talks about his sense of whether or not Trump wanted to be president.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Spoiler alert, Dave thinks he did not.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		He didn't want to be president.
		Like, that's pretty obvious to me.
		Actually, the one part I left out of this is that when Junior introduced me, I said it's an honor to meet you, Mr. President, when I shook his hand.
		And I could tell, like, I thought that's what you say to the president.
		And when I met Melania, I said, it's an honor to meet you, Madam First Lady.
		But I could tell when I said it to Trump, I just as easily could have said, yo, Don, what's up?
		Like, the idea that I said it's an honor to meet you, Mr. President, you could just tell that just didn't matter to him.
		He's probably Don to most of the people.
		I don't think he's running around.
		You know, I think his staff probably calls him Mr. President, but it's like the guy's had his ego stroke for a long time, you know?
		But maybe we shouldn't get lost in only Trump stuff because people talk about Trump a lot.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We just spent 20 minutes talking about Trump.
unidentified		Oh, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like that's all we talk about this year.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of like we're singularly obsessed with our avatar, God-King hero.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like we just constantly make up stories to recontextualize our weird, obsessive love for what is very obviously fucking Hitler.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and always try and center ourselves in proximity to this hero, Hitler King, that we have.
		Yeah, it is weird.
		Maybe we shouldn't do that.
		Maybe we should talk about your book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		My book is, well, it's about 40% about Trump and how great he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This book is called Don't Burn This Book.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And as far as I know, no one has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Very sad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't burn this book.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What a dork.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he talking to Trump right there?
unidentified		Please stop before book burning.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the only way that makes sense.
		Yeah, right.
		So, yeah, this is basically the end because it's only like a 40-minute interview.
unidentified		Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty, pretty compact.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And a bit of it is this weird boat metaphor that he doesn't elaborate on any more than we played, but just sort of like, yeah, I left the left.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is the boat made out of toenails?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		CNN won't book me.
		I'm mad about it.
		I met Trump and love it.
		There was not a whole lot that I got out of this beyond that.
		But I do respect Carpe Donctum for one reason, and that is that he knows what he needs to improve.
unidentified		Well, it has been a pleasure to have you, and thank you again for coming on my first show.
		And I'm going to try and figure out what this audio problem is because apparently yours has been fine the whole time and mine has been awful.
		So I think actually that's fine because nobody can say anyways.
		Why?
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼		Come on out.
unidentified		The good audio is yours.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I will say that it's not fine.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very not fine.
		I'm not even excited that we're going to put this out because the audio is so bad that our listeners are obviously going to have a very difficult time listening to that.
		So yeah, I mean, this is trivial.
		This is kind of meaningless to the larger extent of things.
		Other than to, like, I think I would feel a little bit incomplete if there is this other show that Alex now has on his network that we haven't dipped our toe into.
		Sure, sure, sure.
		And so I will say now that I have tried it, I might prefer David Knight.
unidentified		Carpe Doctor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Man, this is bad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even sound problems aside, there's no reason for this to exist.
		I can't imagine even Donk stands, if there are any.
		I can't imagine any of them being like, fuck yeah, the new episode of Carpe's Corner drops.
		Oh, man, I really wish it was called Donk's Dojo, but this is so boring that I can't imagine it's useful to propaganda anybody who might have like right-wing money to funnel into something.
		Like, I could see somebody wanting to use him for the clout that he has for memes.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But as a talk show or as like an interview thing, this is trash.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just no good.
		So we will not be revisiting.
		I guess unless maybe Alex is on, then I might check back.
unidentified		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or if we have a Rob Dew appearance, see if he can hold his own, see who's more incompetent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, it does seem like all of this stuff and all of conservative media now that I am forced to interact with is just there to reinforce the false reality at all costs.
		Like, that's what entertainment is to conservatives now.
		They need people to just constantly reinforce the idea that Trump is not a moron.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, but I want to step back from what you're saying just a tiny bit because I don't think a lot of people would view this as entertainment.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's fair.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, all right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't, I'm not sure how far off you are in terms of like a bigger picture because of the stuff that's on Fox News.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's insane.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Dave Rubin obviously has a broader audience, but like in terms of saying that this is in any way an actual spoke in the wheel, I'm not sure that it is.
unidentified		That's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Quite honestly, more people will listen to this through our show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Than will ever listen to almost platforming Carpe Doctum.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		With this audio, Dan, I do not believe we are platforming the Donks Dojo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, I think we have scared away everyone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully.
		So this is a situation where, hey, this, you know, it's not an Alex episode, but Alex is out of studio.
		So, I mean, our hands are forced.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like it.
		I like when we see, we just, we got to dip our toe into the world.
		No, totally.
		And there's stuff that other people, you know, like nobody's looking out Donks Dojo.
		Nobody's getting it in their feed or anything like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the people over on locals.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
		Could be.
		I wonder how many people have hated.
		Oh, God, those poor bastards.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably more than, man, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet not even his mom.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea what the actual subscriber base is like there.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		That's kind of interesting, but I don't know.
		The site is too unnavigatable.
		I have no idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sucks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I agree with you, though.
		We've got to check in on other things in the world.
		Anyway, we'll be back on Monday.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we will, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And hopefully Alex will be back as well because I want to hear what he thinks about losing a bunch of money to the Connecticut.
		That would be very funny.
		And we'll check in on that.
		But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
unidentified		We do have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We are on Twitter.
		It's at Knowledge Undercore Fighting at Go to Bed Jordan.
		We are on Facebook.
unidentified		And if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes Rail.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And if you could, please find a local charity or bailfund in your area.
unidentified		Yep, we'll be back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But until then, I'm Neo.
		I'm Leo.
		I'm DZX Clark.
		I'm running for the Republican nomination in 2024.
unidentified		Andy in Kansas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
unidentified		I love your work.

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