This research and the way I wanted to structure the book was to show that there is a pipeline between extremist anti-abortion ideas that kind of fester and ferment in, you know, very dark spaces, you know, far-right neo-Nazi groups and extremist anti-abortion groups. So in the UK... I mentioned organizations like Patriotic Alternative, which is a far-right group based here, and the Center for Bioethical Research UK, which is a branch of a US organization. And it's a very small group, but it's a very extreme anti-abortion group in the UK. That's one of my favorite naming conventions is that very simple, oh, we're just the Bioethics Commission. Also, we kill babies, you know, like we hate people and all that shit. You know, yeah, I get it. Yeah, they've got such a benign name, and yet their actions are really, really extreme. And, you know, they've become very well known for displaying very unpleasant and graphic abortion imagery outside MPs, constituency offices, and also outside clinics and things like that. And then I kind of look at the sort of more mainstream... Organisations, which I kind of think of as the next stage in this pipeline. So you get this sort of extremist ideology and then it's laundered by more mainstream groups who can go to the UN, who go to the European Courts of Human Rights, who take amicus briefs to the Supreme Court in the US. So these are people like Citizen Go. Which is a Spanish organization, Alliance Defending Freedom, which I'm sure US listeners will be really familiar with. They're very influential and very influential on the whole Roe debate. And then from there, these organisations kind of take the extreme anti-abortion ideology, clean it up, put it in a PowerPoint presentation, which shows share while wearing a suit, and it goes into politicians. And the politicians then kind of enact a lot of these policies in terms of restricting abortion rights or pushing really anti-immigration policies and saying that the way to resolve things like demographic winters or so-called demographic crises is to restrict women's reproductive freedoms.

Well, this is where I get really angry about it all. One of the sort of things that Citizen Go has done in Kenya is it's got a representative in Kenya. She's a Kenyan woman. And, you know, she's addressed the United Nations about abortion rights in the country and LGBT rights. And they argue that abortion and LGBTQ plus people's rights are like a Western imposition on traditional Kenyan values and traditional African values. And of course, this completely ignores the fact that Citizen Go is a Spanish-European organization imposing its ideology and its motivations on Kenya.