I think that MKUltra is also very deep, deeply based in Hollywood.

And when you realize what the MKUltra program involved and how long it ran and how insane it is, and it essentially had no oversight. And these people were just running these wild mind experiments on American citizens. And nobody went to jail for it.

So one, well, I should mention that MKUltra was broken into 149 sub-projects. So MKUltra was the umbrella term. And within MKUltra, there were 149 sub-projects that were kind of farmed out to, in many cases, independent researchers who might be working at a hospital or a prison or a university or something like that.

So, one of the things that got, I should say, Sidney Gottlieb, interested in investigating LSD was the fact that maybe this could be an incapacitant that we could use to basically eliminate an enemy army for the time being, and then we could go and conquer them without actually having to kill them ourselves. So, he was trying to use it almost as a more ethical form of warfare where instead of killing someone, you just incapacitate them.

Then we went into the C.P.I.A., well-known MKUltra program, went all the way through that.

Without doing too deep a dive into MKUltra, it is a program that did exist in the 50s. They fed people LSD. Well, that was one part of it. there were also weird psychological tests that were done on people in terms of abusing them or withholding things and seeing what would happen.