Today, Dan and Jordan take a break from talking about Alex Jones to take a much needed Project Camelot break. On this episode, the gents discuss a difficult interview that Sweary Kerry did with a guy who liberated Mars back in the 1970's. Also, Dan found an album Kerry recorded a few years back, and Jordan thinks it slaps.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to celebrate Halloween. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| What did you just do? | ||
| By drinking novelty beverages and talking a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Do you know a lot about Halloween? | ||
| I know so little about Halloween. | ||
| I know nothing about Halloween on account of when I was born. | ||
| My family was in a cult and they wouldn't allow me to celebrate it. | ||
| It was of the devil. | ||
| Yeah, my partner is... | ||
| She's dressing up for Halloween. | ||
| She's going to school dressed up and she's got a Halloween party and she's going to do the whole thing. | ||
| You should make it clear she's a teacher. | ||
| She is a teacher. | ||
| She's not in high school. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Raised eyebrow. | ||
| My parents were real religious, as we've discussed, too, but thankfully that was one that they gave a miss to. | ||
| They gave that one a pass. | ||
| They didn't like me and my brother dressing up in sort of evil-ish or gory costumes at all, but they were like, yeah, go get some candy. | ||
| Enjoy it. | ||
| So that was nice. | ||
| It seems simple. | ||
| You go get candy. | ||
| Why are we throwing them? | ||
| It's a great system. | ||
| My parents live like the satanic panic era, just never. | ||
| Just like, we're still... | ||
| Kiss! | ||
| Did you just listen to Kiss, Dan? | ||
| See, that sounds more like my uncle, who is a psychologist who wrote a couple books about multiple personality disorder. | ||
| Ah, yes. | ||
| And believed that all multiple personality disorder was caused by ritualistic satanic abuse, and the only cure? | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Prove a negative. | ||
| Prove that's not true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| Wild stuff. | ||
| So that's what I know about Halloween. | ||
| That's what I know about Halloween. | ||
| So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. | ||
| And today, as is our tradition a lot of the time, I mean, it's a holiday, so that's number one. | ||
| And number two, it's the middle of the week, so it's time for Wacky Wednesday! | ||
| And goddammit, if we don't need a Wacky Wednesday so fucking bad, Dan, Dan, we need a Wacky Wednesday so bad! | ||
| Give me a Wacky Wednesday! | ||
| As I was going over this, I was like, we need something fucking fun, because it has been a trough. | ||
| It's been awful. | ||
| It is dark. | ||
| The last week, whether it's been in the present day or even in the past, we're still hitting on, even when we're back in 2009, still hitting on some very relevant things about excusing white terrorism. | ||
| Which we've definitively proven never happens, so we can all just move on. | ||
| So a lot of stuff that's still very, very... | ||
| While it's still within the conversation of this show, it's still a chore to unpack. | ||
| It still takes a lot out of you. | ||
| Emotional toll is... | ||
| Astronomical. | ||
| And I imagine the same is true for our audience. | ||
| And so what we have to do whenever we get into those modes is we have to take a step back and pay a visit to Carrie Cassidy and the world of Project Camelot. | ||
| Hell yeah, we do. | ||
| For those of you who haven't heard our Project Camelot episodes, it's a YouTube channel where a lady named Carrie gets together with some of her weird space friends. | ||
| And they tell her stories about space battles. | ||
| Some of them are not space friends. | ||
| Some of them just own a telescope. | ||
| That's true, but he's still space adjacent. | ||
| He's space adjacent. | ||
| There's also a lot of weird stuff on there that we just don't cover. | ||
| She just did a recent two-part video series about Christine Basley Ford. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| I imagine it's all just about the same stuff Alex was talking about, about it being mind control operations and shit like that. | ||
| But I give a pass to those videos. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not going to watch this. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, Jordan, today I want to tell you this. | ||
| This episode probably took more work than most Alex Jones episodes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Those, like Alex Jones episodes involve a lot of research. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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They involve a lot of my time. | |
| This episode took me so many, listening to so many episodes. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That listener? | ||
| Kurt Russell. | ||
| The episode, The Super Soldier that she had on recently was someone named Penny L.A. Shepard. | ||
| And I listened to it, and I'm like, oh, this is pretty wild stuff. | ||
| This is some nonsense. | ||
| And I started looking into the Miss Shepard. | ||
| It's all true. | ||
| No. | ||
| It made me really sad. | ||
| The pictures started to come together of a woman whose family put her in a home. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| And so, as is our policy, basically, with Project Camelot episodes, it's all... | ||
| Good and well, until we're making fun of somebody who seems like they're actually struggling. | ||
| And so when I listen to that, it's a good couple hours of my life now that I'm like, we can't go over this. | ||
| It would just be two hours of us making fun of someone who's mentally ill. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And that's not what we're here to do. | |
| We're here to talk about funny space weirdos. | ||
| Yeah, and if you want to do that, make your own show about us. | ||
| It's not hard to make fun of us, and we are mentally ill. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Yeah, go for it. | |
| Enjoy. | ||
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Yeah, we can even give you a little plug on this show. | |
| One of these MAGA weirdos haven't done a show where they do to us what we do Oh, it's strange. | ||
| It's almost as though because... | ||
| You accurately research and source everything. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I went through a number of other episodes and I was like, fuck, we need to find the goods. | ||
| And so finally, I'm scrolling through and I find an episode about a guy named Captain J. I like a captain. | ||
| When it comes to Kevin Cassidy, if you got a captain, I'm in. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| That's number one. | ||
| If you have an official title. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Important. | |
| You're good as gold, my friend. | ||
| And then second, he had information about Mars. | ||
| And I'm like, well, we need to know more about Mars. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| It's a red planet. | ||
| It's roughly similar in size to Earth. | ||
| That's all you need to know, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And another thing you need to know is that this episode came out years ago. | ||
| It was just after she started interviewing Mark Richards. | ||
| So she's in a little bit of a different state of mind. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And I will say that these are the sort of people that she was willing to interview back then. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So she's less stridently confident in that everything she knows from Mark Richards is correct and is more in a very receptive stage. | ||
| I wouldn't say that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I would say that she is less full of herself. | ||
| All right. | ||
| She has less of a... | ||
| I think that Mark Richards and his blustery sociopath behavior kind of rubbed off on her. | ||
| Maybe a little bit. | ||
| And now when she gets in the room with, like, an Eddie Page or that guy with the telescope, she's able to... | ||
| It's always important to remember that one of our episodes was about a guy who had a telescope. | ||
| Who worked at a bus station. | ||
| I will never remember his name. | ||
| No, he had a telescope! | ||
| What else is there to know? | ||
| That's what's important. | ||
| But she'll be able to get into a room with one of these guys, and she'll be able to mold their narrative to help fit hers, or patently just reject it. | ||
| Whereas back then, when she's talking to Captain J, I think that she has more of a, like, alright, I'll let this guy speak. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Like, let's see what we can get out of this. | ||
| And then it leads to stuff like this out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| I appreciate this information and you coming forward. | ||
| However, you can also appreciate from my point of view that this does sound rather outlandish, right? | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Uh-oh. | ||
| See, I was about to say that, based on your description, this was going to harken back to an earlier time when I believed Carrie to be the most credulous woman on the planet. | ||
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No. | |
| And instead, you just played the... | ||
| I get what you're saying. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But you know how this is bullshit? | ||
| It sounds like bullshit, too. | ||
| I'm suggesting that back then she had more of an operation going where it's like, well, we wasted an hour talking, but nah. | ||
| Still going to put this out, though. | ||
| I think there's something like that going on. | ||
| It'd be like if at every one of our episodes we just end with like, yeah, I'm going to pass on this one. | ||
| I think modern day Carrie would have taken Captain J when he came in and hear the things that she's saying that she has deemed outlandish and been like, well, from the information I've got, maybe it's possible that blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Mark Richards has told me that X, Y, or Z is the case and try and get him to be like, you know now that you mention it, yes, absolutely. | ||
| Whereas back then she's like, You know that this is pretty absurd, right? | ||
| Excuse me, sir. | ||
| Have you considered going and fucking yourself? | ||
| Because what? | ||
| What? | ||
| All right. | ||
| This was a great hour talking with you. | ||
| We're going to let you go now. | ||
| And I'll say, I agree with her. | ||
| This is absurd. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wait, on Project Camelot? | ||
| It's outlandish, I believe is the way she put it, and I agree. | ||
| I teased on the last episode that we got a song to play. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I don't know... | ||
| You have been bothering me with how excited you are about this song for four days now. | ||
| Should we do it now or wait? | ||
| Of course we should do it now! | ||
| Alright, that leads my instincts to say that we should wait. | ||
| But I'm not that cruel, so I will go ahead and play it. | ||
| Guys, in doing some research, in fiddling around, looking at the Project Camelot world, I found that back in 2014... | ||
| Carrie Cassidy made an album. | ||
| What? | ||
| No! | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Do not tell me this information! | ||
| Carrie Cassidy made an album called Rebel Gene, I believe is the name of it. | ||
| Is it on Spotify? | ||
| I don't know if it's on Spotify, but... | ||
| What did she play? | ||
| I don't think that she plays anything. | ||
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She doesn't play anything. | |
| I don't think so. | ||
| Is she spoken wordy? | ||
| Is she singing? | ||
| She's the charismatic front woman. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She's like Karen O. Is she Karen O? | ||
| She's not. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Here is a little taste of the Trek Rebel Gene. | ||
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Disclosure. | |
| Raiding parties. | ||
| Humans are abducted permanently off the surface of Earth. | ||
| I need to pause for a second. | ||
| I kind of like it! | ||
| I need to pause for a second just to say that the song is called Space Command. | ||
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Well, yeah. | |
| But it's from the album Rebel Dream. | ||
| Okay, hold on. | ||
| If you were watching the fourth Matrix movie and they played that in the underground... | ||
| It would be distracting. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no. | ||
| It would be distracting. | ||
| It would be perfect. | ||
| And have many uses to visiting races. | ||
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First of all, as a food source, where the reps embrace and maybe others. | |
| Allies. | ||
| Slaves for building things, serving various races, trading by study, as in scientific study. | ||
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Earth is a desirable vacation spot. | |
| Access to minerals, precious stones, topside use of land. | ||
| Is she hypnotizing us? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Underground bases, jumping off point to other systems, breeding and genetic programs, human females. | ||
| Is this a J Dilla track? | ||
| Is that what's going on? | ||
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Blackstar, Darkstar Energy. | |
| One, two, three! | ||
| No, never mind. | ||
| This type of energy is highly prized in the multiverse. | ||
| It puts humans on the level with other ET races. | ||
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They don't appreciate that. | |
| Who doesn't? | ||
| They! | ||
| Okay, so that's the sample that we have of Space Command. | ||
| Legitimately, that could be an early Thievery Corporation track. | ||
| That really doesn't sound that terrible. | ||
| Early! | ||
| Literally, I'm not saying this is their later more evolved stuff, or their even later more shitty stuff. | ||
| I went and found the samples of the other songs on the album, and they're on par, but some of them have a little bit more of a reggae feel. | ||
| Can I listen to a reggae track? | ||
| I don't want to play it anymore. | ||
| Maybe later in the show. | ||
| We can't just turn this into a music podcast. | ||
| That's definitely the standout. | ||
| The Space Command is the... | ||
| That's a... | ||
| That's a fucking delight. | ||
| Really, that is... | ||
| That really does make me happy in a lot of ways. | ||
| What I told you earlier, that it was still going to blow your mind, even though you knew something was coming. | ||
| I never, never would have guessed that. | ||
| Still satisfies, like a Snickers. | ||
| So good. | ||
| So, let's jump in here. | ||
| Carrie, as we open every episode with Project Camelot, Carrie says her name, but... | ||
| Things go slightly differently almost immediately in this introduction. | ||
| Hi, everyone. | ||
| This is Carrie Cassidy. | ||
| Hi, Carrie! | ||
| I am now going live, and we have Captain J is the moniker he wishes to use here with us today. | ||
| And this is a very impromptu setup. | ||
| We are going to put this onto YouTube after the fact. | ||
| That's generally our words. | ||
| And so, Captain J, there's no actually... | ||
| Let me move this out of the way. | ||
| Okay, there's no clear-cut way to ascertain whether or not you have actually been to Mars and part of the Mars program. | ||
| So I want people to understand that from the beginning. | ||
| Politely disagree. | ||
| There are plenty of ways to ascertain that. | ||
| There are so many ways to ascertain that. | ||
| There are like a million different ways to ascertain that. | ||
| Test for Mars remnants. | ||
| See if there was any astronomical movement around the time when he says he was supposed to have left Earth and gone to Mars. | ||
| Ask him for specifics. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely! | ||
| That's the easiest one. | ||
| Oh no, that one would help. | ||
| Ask him what he breathed. | ||
| I love the idea that Carrie is giving that disclaimer at the beginning of the show because that means she doesn't know what the fuck is coming. | ||
| She is worried that this is going to be crazy. | ||
| And so she's like, look, We're doing this interview. | ||
| I have no idea what to tell you about. | ||
| We can't prove this is true. | ||
| No shit, you can't prove anything is true. | ||
| We can't even prove this guy is gonna show up. | ||
| We don't even know he's a captain. | ||
| How long has she been doing the show at this point? | ||
| This is like probably three years ago. | ||
| I mean, I don't fucking know. | ||
| The beginning date of her show on YouTube and her investigations and stuff like that is kind of nebulous. | ||
| So she's been doing it at least... | ||
| I think that she's been on YouTube for like six or seven years doing it. | ||
| The interview series. | ||
| And this is like three years ago. | ||
| So this is like 2013. | ||
| All right. | ||
| 2014, 2015. | ||
| So she's just finding her sea legs. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| She probably just recorded that Space Command song. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That'll take a little bit out of anybody. | ||
| It'll put you out of sorts for a while. | ||
| Yeah, no doubt. | ||
| So what you need to know is that this interview is happening... | ||
| Very soon after the interview with space super soldier Randy Kramer... | ||
| The guy who we did our first episode about. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The guy who woke up in his bed at 18 and claimed whatever. | ||
| Traveled back in time, but it was in space time. | ||
| A lot of time travel, a lot of space battles. | ||
| And that's why you can't. | ||
| With various alien races. | ||
| Children on Mars. | ||
| The solar protection unit or whatever. | ||
| Gotta protect them solars. | ||
| So Randy Kramer had come out and done his interview on Project Camelot fairly recently before this. | ||
| Which is relevant, because he goes by the name Captain K. This guy has chosen the name Captain J. So they're full on... | ||
| I actually wrote down the moment she said Captain J. I was like, Men in Black, J and K. I literally wrote that down. | ||
| I literally wrote that down. | ||
| I don't think that he's necessarily trying to make that connection. | ||
| But it is being made. | ||
| What he is doing is he's trying to say... | ||
| Well, first of all, my initial is J. Yeah. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then second, Jay comes before K in the alphabet, and I came before Randy Kramer in space. | ||
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Sure. | |
| He is going to say that so many times. | ||
| What a fucking... | ||
| He's so petty about it. | ||
| That is the pettiest thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And not even that, just like... | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| So wait a second. | ||
| Then that means that you specifically, however, chose your name in order to make it look like you were before this guy. | ||
| Well, because he was. | ||
| He's older, and he makes the argument that, like, I was around 20 years before he was up there in space. | ||
| Right! | ||
| Well, then you could have called yourself Captain A! | ||
| Why did you choose the one letter before the... | ||
| Come on! | ||
| His name is J. Come on! | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| That's a lack of imagination that I don't appreciate in my super shoulders. | ||
| He's got plenty coming up of imagination. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Good, good, good. | ||
| So in this next clip, he does express that no one paid attention to him trying to talk about space weirdness, and then Randy... | ||
| Kramer came along, and he's like, ah, here we go. | ||
| So, welcome, and please introduce yourself. | ||
| Okay, I'm using the name Captain J because it is my first initial, and also it's the letter before K. Sounds like a super soldier. | ||
| When I saw Captain K come online, that's Randy Kramer. | ||
| He called himself Captain K. I thought, well, there it is. | ||
| You know, here's my opportunity. | ||
| I've been waiting 20 years. | ||
| I've been trying to put stuff up online. | ||
| It's, you know, seven, eight years ago. | ||
| You need to connect to the Wi-Fi, buddy. | ||
| To get far. | ||
| But once Randy appeared, I realized that this is what we've been waiting for, you know? | ||
| I'm sorry to... | ||
| So, yeah, you know, he's saying basically... | ||
| No one was listening to me before. | ||
| Randy Kramer showed up, and he's like, gotta strike while the iron's hot. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| This is when I can get in as the guy who came before him. | ||
| Yeah, even though I'm quite literally, by any and all definitions, the guy who came after him. | ||
| You can see that this is opportunism. | ||
| Personified. | ||
| Just demonstrated. | ||
| He's like, okay, no one's listening now. | ||
| I'm going to get in while the good one's good. | ||
| So do the super soldier drugs make you sound like an accountant? | ||
| I don't think that's... | ||
| If it is, it's a side effect they probably wish to get rid of. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't sound very... | ||
| Like, if I was going to... | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| Listen, I'm against the military-industrial complex, but if I was going to create a race of super soldiers, I would want maybe an imposing voice, maybe at the very least. | ||
| You know, I'm a very nasal tenor. | ||
| I would prefer a thick bass. | ||
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That's all I'm saying. | |
| It's nice to have this voice. | ||
| No, that's perfect. | ||
| I'll also say that you need to pump... | ||
| You couldn't super soldier with that voice, though. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| You need to pump the brakes. | ||
| Because you're assuming, first of all, that this guy is a super soldier. | ||
| He's a captain! | ||
| Well, that doesn't mean shit. | ||
| He's not really a captain. | ||
| You're assuming he's a super soldier. | ||
| You're assuming that the government did something to him. | ||
| All of these things may be erroneous assumptions. | ||
| Now, I know that you're making those assumptions because he's comparing himself to Randy Kramer, who is a super soldier and had the government do that. | ||
| That's kind of what I was jumping from. | ||
| It turns out he's not a super soldier at all. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He's an accountant. | ||
| And his story is convoluted as fuck. | ||
| I will do my best to pull the strings in order to untangle this thing. | ||
| Leave this not Gordian, Dan, I say to you now. | ||
| I have no confidence in my ability to make this make sense, but I will do my best. | ||
| And I will obfuscate you at every possible chance. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's the game plan. | ||
| In this next clip... | ||
| Captain Jay goes on to explain some of the credentials he has, some of the organizations he was involved in, and then Kerry asks him a very basic question, and it almost ruins the entire interview. | ||
| So right off the bat, starting in the 1950s, as a child, I was put into the program, various programs, and we were Navy at that time where we did a lot of test missions, jets, and whatnot. | ||
| So I was Navy and Marines at that time, and I'm sure they'll back that up if they ever get around to actually that mattering. | ||
| Then we went into the C.P.I.A., well-known MKUltra program, went all the way through that. | ||
| Heard that one before. | ||
| We just did a lot of... | ||
| We need to go all the way through that program. | ||
| He graduated. | ||
| He became Ultra. | ||
| We call a rover myself and another small group of people. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to slow you down right there because you're actually saying a few things here that people will be slightly confused with. | ||
| So you're saying you're Navy and Marines. | ||
| Can you elaborate? | ||
| How do you go from one organization to another? | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Well, originally, maybe people have forgotten this, there wasn't a real space program involving rockets. | ||
| We just had the Navy sending up jets. | ||
| Not an answer. | ||
| Trying to reach the edge of the atmosphere in outer space. | ||
| Okay, give me a year. | ||
| Give me a year. | ||
| Oh, somewhere in the mid-50s, mid-60s, you know, mid-50s through until 1963 when the first Mars probe went up, which was actually a small manned rocket. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So we're getting into a lot of stuff that has been not admitted to, if you will. | ||
| I will. | ||
| I mean, I guess I will. | ||
| We have to accept that if we're going to go any further. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But, man, that's an inability to give any specifics. | ||
| It's like, why were you in the Navy and the Marines at the same time? | ||
| Well, back then we didn't have rockets. | ||
| We didn't have rockets. | ||
| And then there were jets. | ||
| Not an answer as to why you were in multiple arms of the service. | ||
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Give me a year, Dan. | |
| Well, mid-50s through 63. All right. | ||
| So all those years? | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| What about now? | ||
| Well... | ||
| This guy. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I am loving a man whose backstory invalidates him immediately. | ||
| I have a lot of trouble with this sort of Project Camelot episode. | ||
| He just doesn't even know anything about the branches of military. | ||
| Or years is tough. | ||
| Because you should be able to... | ||
| I can't judge a man for not knowing years. | ||
| I do not know years. | ||
| You would if you sat and thought about them, though, probably. | ||
| You'd be able to put together, like... | ||
| Oh, if I were in a secret space program? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Well, number one, if you were in a secret space program, I'd probably have the timeline down. | ||
| I would definitely know that information. | ||
| But even about your life, where there's some sort of ambiguity about when things happened, if you were going to go do an interview specifically about those things, you'd be able to sit down ahead of time and be like, well, that happened right around the same time as X, Y, or Z. It happened before this event in my life. | ||
| So I know it was before that year. | ||
| And you'd be able to prepare yourself with specific information should that question come up. | ||
| The fact that he hasn't done that means this guy might be making a lot of shit up. | ||
| I just love the confidence of a guy who just has no idea what he's talking about. | ||
| He's a confidence man. | ||
| And is literally just like, if I just say things stridently and powerfully, people will just believe me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| And this is one of the, like I was saying, this type of project came along. | ||
| Wait, no, hold on. | ||
| I don't love that confidence. | ||
| It's destroying the world. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Now I got it. | ||
| This type of Project Camelot episode is kind of a challenge for me, because we have a guy using an alias, Captain J. Yeah. | ||
| How am I supposed to find out anything about who this fucking person actually is? | ||
| Well, it is his original initial. | ||
| Well, sure, that doesn't help. | ||
| Also? | ||
| I believe his name is just J. J-A-Y. | ||
| I think that's probably right. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It's like a Simpsons episode. | ||
| We have Mark Richards. | ||
| I can look into that. | ||
| We can talk about his whole murdery past. | ||
| We have Randy Kramer. | ||
| I can at least find more information about him to flesh out the picture. | ||
| With Captain J, I got nothing. | ||
| I just have his word to go on. | ||
| Easy, easy, easy research path to go down. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just find anyone who has been in both the Marines and the Navy. | ||
| There can't be a ton of those guys. | ||
| He's on video, so I do know what he looks like. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is it an accountant? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But look, dude. | ||
| So he was in the... | ||
| The Navy, the Marines. | ||
| He was in the CIA. | ||
| He went all the way through MKUltra, whatever that means. | ||
| Yeah, he went all the way through it. | ||
| From the mid-50s to 1963, he's involved in something or other, unspecific. | ||
| When there are jets, not rockets. | ||
| No rockets. | ||
| Jets. | ||
| Now... | ||
| Does he not even know when rockets were invented? | ||
| Unimportant. | ||
| Because they were invented way before the mid-50s. | ||
| One time he did see October Sky. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He did see that movie one time. | ||
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All right. | |
| Jake Gyllenhaal's best work. | ||
| In this next clip. | ||
| Why do I know he was in that? | ||
| Was he in that? | ||
| I think he was. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But none of those things that we've already talked about bear any relevance to this next clip, because he's going to jump forward to the 70s to talk about something else. | ||
| Good. | ||
| He's in safer ground. | ||
| Well, I think that there's more, like... | ||
| Kerry's not great at nailing him down on details, but I think most of the story he's going to tell for the rest of this has to do with stuff in the 70s. | ||
| So all that stuff about him being in the Navy and the Marines and the CIA and MKUltra in the 50s through 63, I don't think it's that important. | ||
| It's just to demonstrate how blurry his backstory is. | ||
| So anyway, we go to the 70s. | ||
| So you were part of a small group. | ||
| How big was the group? | ||
| All right, in the 70s when we went up, we were called Alpha Team. | ||
| I believe there was Delta Team, but I'm not 100% sure who they were. | ||
| I do know who Alpha Team are to this day, and I received an email from them this morning saying, go ahead, give it help. | ||
| And there was five of us, and the pilot. | ||
| Okay, but I thought you said you went up in the 50s. | ||
| No, in the 50s we did test missions in jets and in rockets, but we did not go to Mars until... | ||
| 1963-ish, at which time we did one quick orbit in a little ship that everyone was told was a probe, but there was actually two young adults in there, me and the same pilot who flew us up there in the 70s, and all we did was orbit once and come straight back because there was a teeming civilization evident on the surface. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| So... | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| In 1963, there was a... | ||
| There's a teeming civilization and you're only going to go around once? | ||
| Let's just look at it. | ||
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What? | |
| Give it a second go. | ||
| Maybe take another couple of pictures. | ||
| Maybe just double check that there's a teeming civilization. | ||
| Defying all laws of physics and the technology we had available to us in 1963. | ||
| They made it to Mars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Documented. | ||
| Seeing a teeming civilization and didn't think, let's find out more. | ||
| They said, let's go home. | ||
| Quick question, Dan. | ||
| How long would it take you to get to Mars? | ||
| Real long time. | ||
| How much would you say they had invested in, say, 1963 in life support? | ||
| Listen, I don't care about that part. | ||
| I will say that I know that based on his story, he's a child at the time. | ||
| It takes... | ||
| Young adult at the time, Dan. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He was a young adult. | ||
| Hold on to that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I will say that it takes longer to get to Mars than he was old at the time. | ||
| So that is a problem. | ||
| Unless we've always had light speed travel technology or some shit. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I'm not super interested in that. | ||
| So Jordan. | ||
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Yes, yeah, yeah. | |
| Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan. | ||
| I need to lead you towards the most important thing. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm getting bogged down in all of these ridiculous details. | ||
| One of the problems is I don't know a lot about physics. | ||
| And I don't know how far planets are away exactly. | ||
| I have a sense, but I don't know exactly. | ||
| It's a jaunt. | ||
| Mars is a jaunt. | ||
| Jupiter is a bit of a long walk. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And then Pluto? | ||
| That's a grippy years away. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It would take at least a fortnight's fortnight to get there. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| So one of the things that I find most interesting about this interview, and one of the reasons why I'm very excited to talk about it, is... | ||
| It introduces us to so many new alien races. | ||
| Okay, I'm way in. | ||
| Mark Richards brought us the raptors. | ||
| I've been getting bored! | ||
| We peaked at spider leadership. | ||
| We got spider leadership in the mix. | ||
| We got raptors, we got reptoids. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Simon Parks has brought us the mantid beings. | ||
| Greys. | ||
| The greys are always, they're always, although I will say. | ||
| This gentleman, Captain J, has a very different take on the grave. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Which is probably why Carrie says that this is ludicrous nonsense. | ||
| Okay, of course. | ||
| We have the Pleiadians. | ||
| We have, like I already said, raptors. | ||
| We have... | ||
| Didn't we have beetlebeings at one point? | ||
| Beetlebeings were in Vietnam. | ||
| Pretty sure we had beetlebeings in Vietnam. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of aliens, but we get a bunch of new ones. | ||
| Dracos. | ||
| Draco, that's wrapped up with reptilians. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They are in the mix. | ||
| We get a host of them. | ||
| We get a bevy. | ||
| And it starts to be introduced in this next clip. | ||
| And then subsequent to that, what happened? | ||
| Like, in other words, you said you went in the 70s, but between, say, 63 and 70, any other trips? | ||
| Well, that's when everything happened. | ||
| Right now we have to talk about aliens as opposed to genitals of this solar system. | ||
| Even if there's ants and centipedes and humanoids and other strange creatures on Mars, they're still what I would consider locals. | ||
| However, the silver flying saucers of legend just never went away as far as we were concerned. | ||
| Okay, so now, if you're not following exactly what Captain J has just said... | ||
| Is that if you go to Mars, you will find ant beings, centipede beings. | ||
| Centipede beings. | ||
| But they're not really aliens, because they're our neighbors. | ||
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They're locals. | |
| Yeah, they're locals. | ||
| They're part of this whole thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But there are silver flying crafts. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of legend. | ||
| Of legend. | ||
| That have always been around. | ||
| Never really went away. | ||
| And they are not locals. | ||
| They are not locals. | ||
| So this is the world that we are now interjecting ourselves into. | ||
| This is the basic setup that is super important. | ||
| You know what I do like about this, though, is that this guy is thinking locally. | ||
| You know, everybody else has been talking about interstellar beings for such a long time and still including all of these guys who hang out in our solar system as being a xenophobe. | ||
| Like, these guys, he, at the very least, this guy is progressive. | ||
| These aren't illegal immigrants. | ||
| They're our neighbors, Dan. | ||
| There is an element of it that is that that makes me feel very uncomfortable. | ||
| At the same time, you hear it, and you're like, alright. | ||
| Hey, they're from Mars? | ||
| Mars is just a skip away! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Cool with centipedes being just like us? | ||
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I love it. | |
| I know you're speaking in metaphors. | ||
| He's like somebody who's like, listen, Indiana's still part of America, guys. | ||
| Let's not pretend that we need to close off our border. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| We do. | ||
| I told you that... | ||
| It would be wrong to assume that Captain J is a space soldier so much. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And one of the things that I think you need to know is that he's more of a space diplomat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But also that doesn't make sense. | ||
| And he's a pilot. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| We're going to get into that later. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Captain should not be taken literally. | ||
| Okay, never mind. | ||
| It's an honorary title. | ||
| Gary does literally ask him in one of the later clips. | ||
| What are you, Captain? | ||
| You were the pilot, right? | ||
| He's like, oh, good God, no. | ||
| So we'll get to that here in a few. | ||
| But he's a hero. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's a space hero. | ||
| He should have opened with that. | ||
| Well, he wanted soft introductions. | ||
| You know, you don't want to come out and be like, I am the most important person in all of space. | ||
| Unless you're Mark Richards. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he goes ahead and leads with that. | ||
| Captain J, a little more modest, a little more humble. | ||
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Good. | |
| But now we get to how he liberated Mars. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| He liberated all of Mars? | ||
| It's the key to everything. | ||
| We finally managed to identify what these silver flying saucers were. | ||
| So real quick, he liberated them from these solar flying saucers. | ||
| These evil ones of legend. | ||
| They were able to figure out what they are. | ||
| He freed Mars from them. | ||
| Who was piloting them, where they were going, and what they were doing. | ||
| Now, just to keep it short, during those same years, another... | ||
| Alien race, Viz, one from outside of our solar system, showed up and made contact with us. | ||
| This will be the Greys, or I guess you can call them the Greys. | ||
| Well, because of them showing up, we were able to finally go up to Mars as an organized, civilized, unarmed group of people and meet with all of the species on Mars and the two... | ||
| Alien races. | ||
| Silver saucer aliens, which I believe people are calling Pleiadians. | ||
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Uh-oh! | |
| Which is probably completely wrong. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Not from the Pleiades. | ||
| And the Greys. | ||
| So we really had this meeting set up by virtue of a second alien race showing up in our solar system and saying, this isn't right. | ||
| You've had these powerful alien creatures here in their silver flying saucer. | ||
| For all these millennia, and they have been exploiting the Earth and exploiting Mars, and it's time for that to stop because these people down here on Earth are civilized, they have very involved science and arts, and so they were able to put a stop to a large degree to the activities of the silver flying saucers in the solar system, | ||
| And in order to make that a reality, they assisted us in going up and meeting with both of the alien races and all of the species on Mars, you know. | ||
| What'd you do? | ||
| Sort things out is what you did? | ||
| You just sorted things? | ||
| They're finally freed from the silver flying saucers, which are a powerful insect race, a powerful trisexual insect race that has been here since the beginning of the year. | ||
| That means they'll try anything. | ||
| You know what I'm saying, Dan? | ||
| That means they'll try anything. | ||
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So... | |
| That was a lot of talking. | ||
| I assume he means there are more than two genders. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He means there's three. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we'll get to those in a little bit. | ||
| That's a tease of things to come. | ||
| He does not explain that in the time being. | ||
| But so... | ||
| What we learn here is that the Greys have facilitated this meeting of the minds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of all of these races, including our own, with the Pleiadians, what we believe are Pleiadians. | ||
| Which people call the Pleiadians, but they are not Pleiadians. | ||
| Silver saucer evil insect aliens that have been terrorizing the galaxy forever. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| When did Ender's Game come out? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But he's expressing the exact opposite worldview that Carrie and all of her people subscribe to, which is that the Greys are evil reptilian minions that come around and kidnap people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The Pleiadians are the bringers of truth who come down. | ||
| Which? | ||
| We're starting to get a sense of why this guy has only been on once. | ||
| Well, following my previous argument that if Mark Richards is evil, the people he allies with must be evil, meaning the people that he calls evil are in fact the good ones, and this guy is calling the people he calls good evil, and he's calling the people he calls evil good, I support Captain J! | ||
| Well, I mean, he liberated Mars. | ||
| He liberated Mars! | ||
| By sorting it out. | ||
| Over three or four days. | ||
| Who keeps track? | ||
| What, do you want him to bring back the minutes? | ||
| Real light on the details of sorting it out. | ||
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Sort it out! | |
| He didn't even bother with, like, treaty or anything like that. | ||
| Just like, eh, we figured out what everybody wanted. | ||
| We all got what we wanted. | ||
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We all went home. | |
| We all had a good time. | ||
| And let me say, when he finally does give a little more detail about it, it's even more hilariously absurd. | ||
| You know, we have our take on this so far about him liberating Mars. | ||
| Here's what Carrie thinks at this point of the interview. | ||
| Okay, so now I'm going to have to back up here and ask you about what you just talked about because it's a little bit convoluted and it's not clear. | ||
| Yeah, it is a little convoluted. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So she wants him to get back to basics. | ||
| She wants to talk about where did this... | ||
| Like, where did your awareness come from? | ||
| She wants to go back to before he liberated Mars, because I think she realizes this is going to be an uphill battle. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, this one's going to be fun. | ||
| Trying to sort this out might take us... | ||
| Let's get a little more rapport. | ||
| Talk to me about the beginnings. | ||
| Let's start... | ||
| How did the centipede beings evolve on Mars, a notoriously inhospitable place? | ||
| Please. | ||
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That's just... | |
| Good! | ||
| Response. | ||
| We now have rapport. | ||
| You have foolish human science. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So she wants to know a little bit about more of the backstory, and she asks him about that. | ||
| How do you know the Pleiadians are evil? | ||
| Well, I don't think he ever explains that. | ||
| And he scoffs every time he calls them the Pleiadians because he's insinuating, without verbalizing it, that it's a prank being played on people like Carrie. | ||
| See, that's offensive because a few years later, we living in the present know that... | ||
| Carrie is a Pleiadian. | ||
| Well, at least Eddie Page thinks that she is. | ||
| So here is a little anecdote from earlier days for Captain J, and this ends... | ||
| I blurt laughed at the end of this clip when I was listening back to it. | ||
| I myself was up, and I was very high in the atmosphere, and the thing pulled in within 50 yards and cruised along, and I managed to get a very clear view. | ||
| Of the pilot, which is a very large insect life form. | ||
| And I came down and debriefed, and there's certainly no reason for me to lie. | ||
| And they believed and suspected all along that we had insect life forms. | ||
| Or what we see as insects. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But in essence, so you're saying you were a pilot during that time? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| I never learned to fly. | ||
| I've been up in jets with other people piloting them when I was a child, which is why I don't want to talk a lot about the early missions. | ||
| It's very illegal. | ||
| Some of the stuff that was done. | ||
| Okay, so hold on. | ||
| You saw... | ||
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Okay, so you were a passenger on one of these chests. | |
| Ask me anything you want to know, Dan, because I understand all of this perfectly. | ||
| You saw it being piloted by a giant insect. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But you don't want to talk about it too much because you guys broke child labor laws. | ||
| It's illegal for a child to work this hard in a space plane. | ||
| I love the idea that he's like, wow, hold on, that breaks child labor laws. | ||
| I don't want to talk about that. | ||
| You weirdo. | ||
| Why didn't they send up the Olsen twins then? | ||
| You could get away with that shit if you got twins. | ||
| Such a strength. | ||
| That makes your budget... | ||
| Lower! | ||
| It almost, I mean, I don't, but it almost makes me believe him. | ||
| The fact that he draws that kind of a weird line. | ||
| You know, like, obviously child labor laws aren't in play. | ||
| You're making all this up. | ||
| But the fact that you stop yourself and go, I don't want to talk about that because I was a child. | ||
| It's illegal to make me work. | ||
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See? | |
| This guy is coming from a bad place. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Of inaccurate information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I like where his ideals are going so far. | ||
| One, did he say he's fighting in a space battle? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No! | ||
| You just sorted shit out. | ||
| Sorted shit out. | ||
| Two, are these people aliens? | ||
| No, they're in our solar system. | ||
| They're our fucking neighbors. | ||
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Be cool. | |
| Yep. | ||
| Three, should children have to work? | ||
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| I like this dude. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It is interesting. | ||
| He might be the craziest but most reasonable person who's ever been on Project Camelot. | ||
| I can metaphorically stand behind what he is representing. | ||
| Yeah, I know! | ||
| Obviously, the idea that he went and sorted it out is like, no, we don't need laser guns. | ||
| We don't need to fight. | ||
| We don't need laser guns. | ||
| We can just talk to each other. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| We didn't need to do any recon. | ||
| We just needed to find out that they were there. | ||
| We went around once. | ||
| We came back. | ||
| We told everybody what was up. | ||
| And then we went back and sorted it out. | ||
| Sorted it out. | ||
| Whatever that means. | ||
| So, Kerry seems to, like, I mean, obviously, this guy has already said that he was Navy and the Marines and CIA. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so Kerry wants to... | ||
| And he made it all the way through the MKUltra program. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Well, he actually did his graduate degree at the MKUltra program. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Summa cum laude from MKUltra. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Kerry, having talked to Randy Kramer, knows that Randy Kramer has an imaginary military liaison. | ||
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Yes. | |
| A sponsor who is there telling him, this is okay for you to talk about. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| So she wants to know if Captain J has a similar situation. | ||
| Well, in our pre-discussions, you mentioned, for example, that Randy Kramer, who came forward as Captain K, he has a person behind the scenes who, in a certain sense, was backing him, who was a military officer. | ||
| You told me that you had somebody behind the scenes. | ||
| Like that as well. | ||
| Lauren Michaels! | ||
| Well, a few of the people from my time, since I was a child in the program, most of the people from the 50s or early 60s are deceased. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| That's a reasonable thing to say. | ||
| This isn't the end of his answer, but I want to just say that what you just witnessed there, whenever someone asks you a direct question and your answer is, well, that usually means you're just making shit up. | ||
| So when I heard that, I was like, mmm, it's a bad well. | ||
| You know, we're just no longer available to talk. | ||
| So the only... | ||
| No, I don't have a personal sponsor. | ||
| I would just say that the Navy and the CIA have records of these activities. | ||
| What about the Marines? | ||
| It comes down to having to prove this to anybody, which I doubt will happen. | ||
| Those records will be there. | ||
| Or if those organizations are approached, they will say, yeah, he was involved. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that sounds... | ||
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Man, this guy's an idealist. | |
| This guy is really believing good things. | ||
| I like him. | ||
| He's a real glass-half-full kind of guy. | ||
| He's like, you know what? | ||
| They would love to release this information, but nobody's asked! | ||
| If there's anything we know about the military-industrial complex, transparency is their business. | ||
| Right, if anybody comes in and is like, hey, was Captain J involved in it? | ||
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Like, fuck yeah, he was. | |
| He was free to Mars. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| That Captain J? | ||
| He's the one who's torn all that shit out on Mars, Flores. | ||
| There's a statue of him up there. | ||
| Oh, that dude's fucking great, man. | ||
| You should see what we did to him in the MKUltra program. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| Captain J is not playing fast and loose here. | ||
| There is proof that he did all this stuff. | ||
| Well, I believe you. | ||
| This clip makes me laugh so hard because he explains the proof. | ||
| And where you can find it. | ||
| Any of the stuff that I say about Mars, I will be very careful only to impart information that I know there are records of up there on Mars and other places that can be verified. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right, buddy. | ||
| I freed Mars. | ||
| There's proof of it, which is on Mars. | ||
| Everything you need to know. | ||
| There are records. | ||
| You only have to go to Mars to get them. | ||
| I love that strategy. | ||
| Totally awesome. | ||
| It's the same strategy that a lot of these conspiracy theorists use about the idea of all the proof of everything that I'm saying is in a bunker deep under the Vatican. | ||
| Just get into this secret maybe existing Vatican bunker. | ||
| The Earth is flat and there are underground people. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| Go down there if you want to prove shit. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'm not here for that! | ||
| It's the same thing with the Akashic records that people talk about. | ||
| These records of all of humanity that only exist in the astral realm that you can access and stuff like that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of... | ||
| Oh, that's a bummer. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff like that. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| It's fun, though. | ||
| It's fun to think about. | ||
| It's not fun to rely... | ||
| Like, base your life on. | ||
| That's where it... | ||
| Or evidence. | ||
| That's where it gets murky. | ||
| Yeah, that's bad. | ||
| That's how you can kind of generally tell when someone's a con man. | ||
| When they're like, I can prove everything, just go to Mars. | ||
| It's not that easy, it's not that hard, I've been there a bunch of times. | ||
| Oh man, I wish that didn't work! | ||
| Break into the Vatican, go deep underground, and there's all the proof you need. | ||
| Now please buy my shirts, or whatever. | ||
| Oh, did you hear that Trump just issued an executive order releasing all of the Mars documents to the public? | ||
| Well, everyone knew that's what he was going to do. | ||
| That's why the deep state hates him. | ||
| They're so scared of him. | ||
| Jacob Wohl's been working on it with him all this time. | ||
| That's why they smeared him today. | ||
| That's why everyone was dunking on him on Twitter, because they're afraid of the Mars documents coming out. | ||
| Today is a day to remember both the good and the bad of the media. | ||
| The good is they correctly sussed out this problem. | ||
| The bad is they immediately reported with no research whatsoever that Trump was going to issue an executive order. | ||
| Banning birthright citizenship. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Which, if you report that, like, Trump says he'll sign executive order banning birthright citizenship, just print, like, Trump signs executive order saying he can fly. | ||
| You're not making any sense. | ||
| That doesn't happen. | ||
| Don't do it! | ||
| It's weird to see both things on the same page. | ||
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Yeah, right? | |
| It's very strange, but it seems like a modern... | ||
| Yeah, like, your biggest fuck-up and your biggest asset are simultaneously happening. | ||
| Yeah, and that's fair, but you're bringing... | ||
| We're in the forbidden zone here. | ||
| We're learning about space, and we do not need to bring media bullshit into this. | ||
| Where is this, dude? | ||
| We've got a lot of shit that needs sorting out here, huh? | ||
| That conversation's for Friday. | ||
| Today, we're in space. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Captain J very clearly expresses that he does not think that the gray aliens are bad, which he's already insinuated. | ||
| But it gets much more in-depth here. | ||
| They're misunderstood. | ||
| I was sleeping one night. | ||
| I woke up. | ||
| I got out into a field for no apparent reason and was drawn up maybe 100 feet or so into a vehicle. | ||
| And there was a bunch of brains or humanoids, seeming like different types, in this crack. | ||
| And they just informed me that you folks from Earth are going up. | ||
| In the near future, we'll come and go with you. | ||
| And we're just going to sort out the whole issue. | ||
| So I assume that what's happening is that the energy-like creatures that we were seeing so many times were some form of probe or forward monitoring service. | ||
| They finally got here in person. | ||
| Which you would know if you were in the Marines or the Navy. | ||
| And set up this meeting. | ||
| On March, in the 70s, and that's... | ||
| Okay, but you... | ||
| Okay, so first of all, you're saying you're part of sort of a military cross-agency, you know, intelligence agency effort. | ||
| Good point, good point. | ||
| Assuming you were trained by them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now you're saying that the way you got to the meeting was through this interaction with the Greys that abducted you? | ||
| I don't understand what your question is. | ||
| They did not abduct anybody. | ||
| They just came along. | ||
| Told us what was happening. | ||
| Took about 20 minutes. | ||
| Put me back down. | ||
| A few days later, a few weeks later, we got in our little ship and flew up there along with, I suppose, what we were referring to was great. | ||
| Just keep it simple. | ||
| And of course, the Silver Saucer aliens were there. | ||
| And a very complex series of events went down. | ||
| And I've spent six or eight... | ||
| Hours just detailing what happened when we first got off the ship on Mars and started meeting with the locals, went underground, met, I guess you'd say the main, older insect life forms there, had a tour of Mars, and a whole bunch of stuff happened. | ||
| Too much to go into now. | ||
| It was a long tour. | ||
| It was set up and made possible by them. | ||
| We went up on our own ship, escorted by them. | ||
| It just seemed like there was no trouble going anywhere or doing anything once these creatures were there to help them. | ||
| I see. | ||
| All right. | ||
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So the Greys are good. | |
| They have come down and chosen Captain J for whatever reason and taken him up and been like, hey, we need you to come up and... | ||
| Be there while we sort things out with these silver saucer aliens? | ||
| I don't know what it was, but him describing... | ||
| These trisexual aliens? | ||
| Him describing his whole not-an-abduction experience as being like... | ||
| No, they just took us up. | ||
| They were like, you folks are going to help us out later, so check that out. | ||
| It's very blasé. | ||
| Took about 20 minutes. | ||
| I don't know what the 20 minutes part is that makes it so funny. | ||
| It took 20 minutes? | ||
| That's either too little or too long. | ||
| Well, it's such a dismissive detail. | ||
| It's specific, but at the same time, it's kind of like, yeah, no big deal, 20 minutes. | ||
| It's like you're talking about a work meeting. | ||
| It was kind of a nuisance. | ||
| We had a quick 20-minute meeting. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| Disrupted my sleep. | ||
| 10 years later, we sorted shit out. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Not sure why I needed to wake up for that. | ||
| Could have got me during the day. | ||
| But hey, you know, 20 minutes. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| I came back down, went to bed. | ||
| Everything was fine. | ||
| 20 minutes. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| I love that detail. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Just 20 minutes. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| So in this next clip, she wants to know, Carrie wants to know, has Captain J talked to Captain K? | ||
| Ooh, that's a good question. | ||
| Have you been in touch? | ||
| Not personally, but I remember him, or I remember the whole project, and I remember him specifically because he was so unique, and he was just the right guy. | ||
| He was the guy who threw down his gun and walked up to the ants, right? | ||
| He's the guy to talk out of that whole crew, if there is one. | ||
| I don't think anybody selected him. | ||
| I just think he more or less emerged. | ||
| And to me, that was the biggest relief I've had in the last 20 or 30 years. | ||
| Finally, here's somebody breaking the ice. | ||
| Maybe I can tell what happened before that. | ||
| So, he's just using things from Randy Kramer's interview. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| I remember that. | ||
| I remember him. | ||
| Which is fun. | ||
| I never met him, but I remember because I listened to the interview. | ||
| Legends told of this guy who threw down his gun and talked to the ant beings. | ||
| But later in the interview, he'll go on to talk about how, like, Randy Kramer was existing in this world that was, like, a simulated fighting thing that was going on that wasn't even real or something like that. | ||
| Ooh, I like that angle. | ||
| But also, it doesn't make sense because it still has something to do with the silver craft beings. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, the simulated fight zone still has something to do with the nefarious silver craft beings. | ||
| But, according to his story, they had already sorted it out by then. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That makes perfect sense. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| The reason they sorted it out is because they ran all these complex combat situations and they realized that this wasn't going to go well. | ||
| So why even bother fighting whenever you know that the circumstance is going to wind up being, you just sort it out anyways, so you might as well just fucking sort it out! | ||
| I'm giving you the nah, because Randy Kramer's situation would have been ten years after that still. | ||
| Ah, but Randy Kramer... | ||
| Kramer went back in time. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Still, that was after this. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And especially according to Captain J. It would have to have been after that. | ||
| He makes that so clear over and over again. | ||
| I came before. | ||
| So if he sorted it out with all the nefarious beings, then why is there this need for this simulated fight zone? | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| As a Doctor Who fan, I will tell you that's timey-wimey business, Dan. | ||
| It further makes no sense. | ||
| The idea that they have worked it out and banished these silver craft beings from the universe that were meddling with the Earth and Mars, all the people who were doing all this really negative stuff, they sorted that out in the 70s, and there's been no substantive difference in the world from the 70s onward in terms of some massive change that everything is better now. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| No, everything got worse, actually. | ||
| Maybe we need those fucking silver beings back. | ||
| Maybe Carrie's right. | ||
| That could be it. | ||
| Shit. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| No matter where we go, we can never figure out where to land on the good-evil alignments of these aliens. | ||
| I mean, the way he's dealing with time, though, like, it could have been the mid-50s, could have been the mid-60s. | ||
| He could be wrong. | ||
| Could be 1968. | ||
| Could have been 1974. | ||
| Could have been the DNC. | ||
| On their way out, they killed everybody. | ||
| All the reformers on it. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| Or maybe those silver craft beings were the ones who were protecting Martin Luther King, RFK. | ||
| No! | ||
| They retreated. | ||
| These motherfucking silver beings, because of this asshole sorting shit out, now we got that dead Martin Luther King Jr. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| I gotta say, you never know. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Carrie wants to know if Captain J has ever been to the moon. | ||
| And his answer is cagey. | ||
| What? | ||
| You can't be cagey about this. | ||
| You know, I have trouble with that. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Because I know that the moon is... | ||
| Actually, I'd like not to talk about the moon at this point. | ||
| Me too. | ||
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What? | |
| History too. | ||
| I don't clearly remember standing on it, but I remember the astronauts being up there and one of them going a bit nuts and saying, look at that, look at that, look at that. | ||
| Well, he was seeing something. | ||
| You saw the moon landing. | ||
| He was seeing the moon while he was on the moon for the first time! | ||
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That's, of course you would go, look at that, look at that, you're on the fucking moon! | |
| Not proof of aliens at all. | ||
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What? | |
| No! | ||
| You're on the moon, look at that! | ||
| We're on the fucking moon! | ||
| Do you know what would happen if I went to the moon, Dan? | ||
| I'd say, look at that! | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Because I'm on the fucking moon! | ||
| You'd probably pass out. | ||
| You'd be overtaken with wonderment. | ||
| It would be so crazy. | ||
| The idea of, oh my god, look at that. | ||
| That is not proof of aliens. | ||
| That is proof of exactly what you're saying. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| It's a moon. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Isn't that kind of... | ||
| It is kind of funny to listen to those recordings. | ||
| Oh my god, oh my god. | ||
| I'm the first person to stay... | ||
| Right, but listen to the recordings of Neil Armstrong and shit, and you're like, that's what you have to say? | ||
| You're not like, holy fucking shit! | ||
| We're on the goddamn moon! | ||
| Well, I think that's a lot of the training. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Some of the training was for zero-gravity type stuff, some of it was physical training, and then I'm sure days of it were like... | ||
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Cool out. | |
| Keep your cool. | ||
| Look, you're on the moon. | ||
| You're going to make NASA look bad. | ||
| If you breathe super heavy, you're probably going to die. | ||
| Also, we don't want that on the recording. | ||
| If you turn your textbook to chapter four, the title of that chapter is Act Like You've Been There. | ||
| Because it will play better later. | ||
| Actually, I disagree. | ||
| I think one of the reasons so many people think the moon landing is staged is because if they had just acted like human beings and been like... | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| We're on the moon! | ||
| Are you shitting me? | ||
| Everybody would be like, yeah, yeah, no, that's how I would react. | ||
| You've got to also consider that it was in the 60s, and the standards of decorum didn't allow that kind of expression, those outbursts. | ||
| And those guys hadn't even graduated the MKUltra program. | ||
| No. | ||
| But adults behaved in different ways back then. | ||
| You wouldn't have, like, you know, stern. | ||
| So, in this next clip... | ||
| Jordan... | ||
| I think you might be getting the sense that this is one of my favorite clips. | ||
| Yeah, I can tell. | ||
| Jordan, I can't set up this clip. | ||
| I can tell! | ||
| I'm trying really hard, and all I need you to know is... | ||
| Don't talk over this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because it's going to take you on a journey. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| And then the second thing about this... | ||
| So we're on a hero's journey now. | ||
| I wouldn't call it heroic. | ||
| But then the second thing about it is, like, I have such a fundamental problem with the very idea of what he's expressing that I'll explain on the other side of this class. | ||
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All right, all right. | |
| I want to hear it. | ||
| But they're well aware that you cannot be exposed to the population up there. | ||
| Bang. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| It has to happen in stages. | ||
| So we first saw a human, a strange-looking human. | ||
| Then we saw some incredible ancient artifacts that suggested things like giant eggs and giant lizards and giant insects. | ||
| Real quick, I just need to make clear, because the last he was talking, he was saying that he didn't know if he'd ever stepped foot on the moon. | ||
| We're back to Mars now. | ||
| He's talking specifically about being on Mars. | ||
| Which is carbon. | ||
| And we went to the edge of the crater. | ||
| And it was a huge blast crater over a block across. | ||
| And on the other side of the crater, which went down maybe 200 feet in the middle, were various life forms. | ||
| Humans, apes, monkeys, big ones, humanoids, different types, ants, giant centipedes. | ||
| Now you're seeing this at a distance, and it's like you've never seen anything like it in your life. | ||
| A couple of people just had to just sit right down, were hyperventilating and gasping for breath, right? | ||
| The rest of us just stood there like, oh boy, you know, that's indescribable. | ||
| But that's step two of exposure that they know, you know, that if you just walked up to that right in your face, it would be too much. | ||
| And in fact, the next step, we went back. | ||
| Into a tunnel, and we ran into an Easter Island humanoid, maybe 10 or 11 feet tall. | ||
| Totally different species. | ||
| Very dark black, very sedate. | ||
| Just a great, cool Easter Island guy with the head, just like the Easter Island part is. | ||
| So, now we have a new alien race to consider, Easter Island people! | ||
| Do you remember the critic? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| I do remember specifically. | ||
| I do remember when they went to the UN school and there was the kid who had the Easter Island head. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Of course I remember that. | ||
| I will never forget that. | ||
| Those are real people. | ||
| That's all I think about now. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| He went to Mars. | ||
| But they're supposed to be like the Easter Island carvings are actually giant. | ||
| They go deep underground. | ||
| Yeah, you go deep underground and they're like actual giant carvings. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So he's just saying that those giant carvings were just like folk. | ||
| I guess so, yes. | ||
| I mean, this is a fun way to incorporate that piece of sort of, I don't know, what do you call it? | ||
| Weirdo world. | ||
| There's an obsession with Easter Island, which is understandable because it's a nice, funny mystery. | ||
| It's unexplainable, yeah. | ||
| It's not totally unexplainable. | ||
| But it is a piece of that. | ||
| So it's interesting to see him be the one who brings that in. | ||
| Like, we're up on Mars. | ||
| Yeah, I met some Easter Island head aliens. | ||
| Here's my question, though. | ||
| Why is it that step three is Easter Island folk? | ||
| I'm not sure if that was even one of the steps. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I wrote down the steps. | ||
| Step two was on the other side of the crater. | ||
| There were apes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There were monkeys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Big ones. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The first step is the insinuation. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| We had... | ||
| There were strange human artifacts. | ||
| There were giant humans. | ||
| There were humanoids. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Then you saw giant ants. | ||
| Centipedes. | ||
| And then giant centipedes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why is it that the next step is Easter Island folk and not... | ||
| Wouldn't the next step be the centipede step? | ||
| I would be fine with giant Easter Island people. | ||
| I'd be... | ||
| I'd look at that and I'd be like, holy shit, that's crazy. | ||
| But a giant centipede? | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| It would throw me for a loop to see the Easter Island guy. | ||
| Is that what it would do? | ||
| But centipede is further. | ||
| Centipede is further, right? | ||
| I think you got the steps wrong. | ||
| See, when I heard that clip... | ||
| He's misremembering. | ||
| When I heard that clip, and I might be wrong on this, but I thought that, like, this... | ||
| Meeting the Easter Island guy wasn't a step. | ||
| It was incidental. | ||
| He thought it was an incidental. | ||
| I thought it was something that, like, we did these first two steps and then we wandered through this tunnel and we found an Easter Island man. | ||
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That's kind of what I thought. | |
| So we were walking through the tunnel and then I felt something bump against my shoulder and I was like, hey, sorry. | ||
| And then it turned out to be a 20 foot tall Easter Island man. | ||
| I thought that might be what he was saying. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But here's my problem with the whole thing. | ||
| What's your problem with the whole thing? | ||
| So the idea that when you go to Mars you have to be slowly acclimated to alien existence or else you're going to freak out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had been taken into a ship by the Greys already at that point. | ||
| He'd been flying around in a ship when he was a child. | ||
| Yeah, but it was only 20 minutes. | ||
| It was only 20 minutes. | ||
| He was flying around in a ship as a child and he saw a giant insect flying a jet. | ||
| Yeah, but nothing prepares you for a giant Easter Island man. | ||
| Strongly disagree. | ||
| He was acclimated from the jump. | ||
| There's literally no reason for them to play this game of like, oh, dip your toe in, the water's fine. | ||
| Also, he doesn't even give a timetable for this. | ||
| It kind of sounds like this whole thing has taken a couple hours. | ||
| Like, they're walking and they're like, hey, check out these artifacts. | ||
| No, it takes about 20 minutes. | ||
| Everything takes about 20 minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's somewhere between 1950 and 100,000. | ||
| So I told you that he liberated Mars. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He sorted it out. | ||
| Captain J sorted out liberating Mars. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because they were being... | ||
| I guess terrorized by the silver saucer aliens that were out and about. | ||
| That sounds good. | ||
| Up to this point, I would say that both of those issues have been pretty... | ||
| It's opaque. | ||
| You can't see through the glass. | ||
| We see through a glass darkly, Dan. | ||
| And only the Lord. | ||
| Et cetera. | ||
| However you want to go with that. | ||
| In that case, this next clip is the work of the Lord. | ||
| Because it helps us see about both Liberation Day on Mars and who these... | ||
| Silvercraft aliens are. | ||
| Now I'd like to know, when you say this is Liberation Day, what do you mean exactly? | ||
| Silver saucers leaving our system. | ||
| Their fun has been spoiled by the Greys and their other humanoid races that have come here and said, no, these Earth people are civilized. | ||
| You've been exploiting them for thousands of years, pretty much having your way with this planet. | ||
| We didn't land on Plymouth Mars! | ||
| Plymouth Mars landed on us! | ||
| We'll talk about that later. | ||
| The cataclysm was caused by them. | ||
| Mars was a beautiful planet, much like Earth. | ||
| It died. | ||
| It took a harder hit than we did after us. | ||
| It was covered with beautiful... | ||
| The housing crisis was a big problem. | ||
| And it just was a real gem, and they nearly destroyed... | ||
| In short, our planet destroyers. | ||
| But you're calling them silver saucers. | ||
| And the beings drive... | ||
| Driving those saucers you said were ants. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Incorrect. | ||
| They are trisexual, unique, ancient rays from somewhere back towards Galactic Central where there is one hell of a lot of radiation and a lot of gravity. | ||
| They are incredibly powerful. | ||
| They are trisexual, and each creature is different. | ||
| They have a giant wasp, what you could call a giant water bear would be the male, and the third member of the... | ||
| Highly telepathic trisexual union. | ||
| Highly telepathic! | ||
| It's like a snake-like creature, 30 to 40 feet long, but they're all warm-blooded, highly, highly evolved, have a million-year history, and they're the only creatures that had a powerful flying saucer with... | ||
| I don't understand how... | ||
| What do they fly it with? | ||
| Do they have opposable thumbs? | ||
| No, they fly with their minds, probably. | ||
| So it's a trisexual group of warm-blooded snakes? | ||
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Wasps and water bears. | |
| So, does he... | ||
| Is being warm-blooded, like... | ||
| Water bears are like those mites. | ||
| Those little microscopic... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, yeah. | ||
| I love the idea of an actual scientist talking, like... | ||
| To him? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Like, anytime you hear somebody with that thick southern accent... | ||
| You're never not going to just lower your estimation of their intelligence. | ||
| Which is bigoted. | ||
| Implicitly. | ||
| That's biased. | ||
| Absolutely biased. | ||
| But at the same time, if you heard Einstein just being like, yeah, man, there's a shit ton of relativity going on there. | ||
| It's down in that galactic center. | ||
| Hell if I know. | ||
| Matter is basically energy. | ||
| Boy, howdy, I'll tell you what. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're like, okay, your math is good. | ||
| But you gotta not talk like that! | ||
| So ridiculous. | ||
| That's what you're getting from this? | ||
| There's a whole hell of a lot of radiation in that galactic center. | ||
| Well, you better believe there is. | ||
| I tell you what, there's so much radiation down there. | ||
| I'm sorry, I stopped listening. | ||
| See, that's the thing, I stopped listening whenever you say something stupid like... | ||
| There's a whole group of radiation down in Galactic Central. | ||
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It's back in Galactic Central where there's a whole hell of a lot of radiation. | |
| But that's probably true. | ||
| Like, okay, foghorn, leghorn, don't even start with snake beings or whatever it is. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They're trisexual. | ||
| I don't disagree with him. | ||
| There is a whole hell of a lot of radiation in the Galactic Center. | ||
| Wherever that may be. | ||
| Well, there's a supermassive black hole. | ||
| That's not what he's talking about. | ||
| He's talking about Galactic Central as being like home base. | ||
| Oh, he's talking about that. | ||
| I thought he meant... | ||
| I'm almost certain. | ||
| I thought he meant the center of the galaxy. | ||
| I think that is an interpretation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know that to be the case. | ||
| I'm just going on context clues. | ||
| I think he's talking about it as home base. | ||
| There's a home base? | ||
| That's the vibe I got. | ||
| Why do they have so much radiation? | ||
| Because there's radiation everywhere! | ||
| Yeah, but they've got a whole hell of a lot of it, Dan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In different parts of the galaxy, there are varying rates of radiation. | ||
| On that we can agree. | ||
| What he's talking about is the place they come from, there's a lot more of it than is normal. | ||
| And they are a trisexual race. | ||
| Again, that's really not what he's trying to say, I don't think. | ||
| No. | ||
| Also, I want to just try and explain what he's talking about. | ||
| So, he defines the females as the wasps. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The males as the water bears. | ||
| And then the third gender, which he doesn't really explain or detail at all as being the 40-foot snakes. | ||
| Yeah, they're the telepathic snakes. | ||
| I don't understand what you have trouble with here. | ||
| I don't understand how procreation works. | ||
| Well, they have three genders. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the females are the wasps. | ||
| The males are the water bears. | ||
| And then the third gender is the snakes. | ||
| I don't understand where your question goes. | ||
| Doesn't answer the question in any way. | ||
| Certainly not at all relevant to this. | ||
| I just explained it. | ||
| Certainly not. | ||
| So they've got three genders. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can just keep repeating if you want. | ||
| I don't understand how a wasp and a water bear mate. | ||
| I don't understand the role of the snake. | ||
| I don't understand any of this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Okay, here we go. | ||
| I don't understand based on our conception of genders, I guess. | ||
| You're living in a non-binary gender world, Dan. | ||
| And what you need to be living in is a trisexual gender world where there are water bears and wasps and snakes. | ||
| I'm cool. | ||
| That's... | ||
| You know? | ||
| I am cool. | ||
| I am... | ||
| I am above the dichotomy of genders. | ||
| I'm not above it, but I understand it. | ||
| I'm very open-minded. | ||
| You are so bigoted. | ||
| I'm very open-minded. | ||
| I mean, what are you going to say next? | ||
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How do dudes have sex? | |
| Do they just push their dicks together? | ||
| Dan, this is so offensive. | ||
| That's certainly not where I'm coming from. | ||
| I'm coming from a place of these are analogs of different species on Earth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't get how a wasp mates with a water bear. | ||
| What is their offspring? | ||
| Is it either a wasp or a water bear? | ||
| Or a snake! | ||
| I don't know! | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| If a wasp and a water bear mate and a snake comes out? | ||
| I don't get that. | ||
| Now, let me ask you a question. | ||
| Here's what you're not... | ||
| This is the problem with this whole situation, right? | ||
| Carrie doesn't know enough. | ||
| Why are you thinking and assuming that they mate when they're in their fully adult forms? | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| See? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, at a younger larval stage, maybe they mate, they cross-pollinate, and then as they grow, they become either a wasp or a water bear or a snake. | ||
| I don't think that those three things could come from the same... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's like when you're starting out in Skyrim, right? | ||
| You know how you can draw the face? | ||
| I do know that, yes. | ||
| You've got three options. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Everybody starts out like in Skyrim on this planet. | ||
| Okay, so mating for this alien silver saucer race is basically like starting a video game. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's a character creator. | ||
| Glad we found something reasonable to land on as opposed to complete bizarre nonsense. | ||
| And the reason why this sticks in my craw like this is that these aren't gender expressions. | ||
| You know, in the same way as, like, you know, across the spectrum of gender expression and identity that humans experience. | ||
| We're all still humans. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| With this, there's wasps, water bears, and snakes. | ||
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Right. | |
| Which... | ||
| Are all... | ||
| One of them's an insect. | ||
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Yes. | |
| One of them is a microorganism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the other is a reptile. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Those are very different species. | ||
| Now, here's the actual... | ||
| You understand why it's not... | ||
| It's very different for me. | ||
| No, I get that. | ||
| But in the world of sci-fi, that actually makes way more sense. | ||
| Please walk me through this, Asimov. | ||
| The reason being... | ||
| The reason being is that when we discuss aliens... | ||
| Every bias we have towards aliens is, well, if we ever get in contact with aliens, they're going to be essentially us, but different. | ||
| We can't genuinely conceive of something that is actually alien because it's so far outside of our experience. | ||
| It makes more sense for them to be water bears, wasps, and snakes out in the middle of fucking space bullshit. | ||
| Than it does for them to just be like two dudes who look like us, but they're a little bit wacky. | ||
| Which is what Carrie likes. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| She likes the Pleiadians who are, you know, like humanoid beings. | ||
| Which, again, is a lack of imagination on so many of these con men's parts. | ||
| I will never not go back to the example of L. Ron Hubbard being like, super intelligent space beings flew B-52 bombers, you know? | ||
| Like, there's a lack of imagination that this guy, who I am starting to... | ||
| The love, Dan, is capable of reaching that they're not. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I still think it's ludicrous. | ||
| It is absolutely ludicrous, and I hate it, but come on, man. | ||
| This is good stuff. | ||
| So in this next clip, we talk about the nature of Liberation Day. | ||
| So he frees Mars by going up and sorting things out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Most of the time, whenever we have these people who come on Carrie's show, they talk about space battles and there's stolen space valor going on all over the place. | ||
| And what's super interesting about Captain J's narrative is, as we've already sort of talked about, there's no fighting involved. | ||
| No! | ||
| He's a space pacifist! | ||
| He's a space-ifist! | ||
| There's not even really an exertion of force. | ||
| There's no threats or anything like that. | ||
| And listen to the language. | ||
| Just good people working shit out, man. | ||
| Listen to the language that he uses in this next clip. | ||
| Before we go any further, let me give you this. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| The water bear wasp. | ||
| Snake triumvirate. | ||
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Right. | |
| Trisexual. | ||
| Now, they evolved separately on a planet where there were millions of different species. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And as time went on, all of these species began going through this process of extinction. | ||
| And only these three species recognized that they needed to survive. | ||
| And because of the way that they were reproducing didn't make sense. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Done! | ||
| In this next clip. | ||
| Sorry, you hit my sci-fi nerd boner. | ||
| In the next clip, we find out about what happened on Liberation Day. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's disappointing. | ||
| Can you tell me, you said that they were made to leave. | ||
| How were they made to leave? | ||
| Are you talking about our military? | ||
| Are you talking about our military working with other races? | ||
| How were they persuaded to leave? | ||
| Our military had nothing to do with it, ever. | ||
| The greys came here. | ||
| I hate to say Pleiadians. | ||
| The saucer aliens are not something you could destroy. | ||
| They are too powerful. | ||
| All you can do is destroy a good point. | ||
| They are highly intelligent, estimated IQ at 500, psionic power far beyond any of the other insect races. | ||
| They can control the ants and the centipedes and anything else, any insect life form. | ||
| Absolutely and utterly and did so on the Earth and on Mars and in the solar system. | ||
| So the greys, so to speak, or this whatever, any different humanoid types could not destroy them, but they could sure spoil their fun, you know? | ||
| and make it just, no, you can't be on the earth anymore. | ||
| We can fly around with you. | ||
| We can stop you from doing this. | ||
| We can stop you from taking human beings and that. | ||
| But once that happened, they're no longer interested. | ||
| You know, they are they are combative and gladiatorial, you know, to a high degree. | ||
| And they will not stay somewhere where they can't have absolute dominion. | ||
| So but they can't last we saw of them. | ||
| And it ended up, there was, I believe, 30 saucers in total in this solar system. | ||
| Originally, in ancient times, there was only one. | ||
| Why? | ||
| The last we saw of them, they were headed for the Pleiades after gathering up some fuel and so forth. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| They headed for the Pleiades. | ||
| Now it's going to go down. | ||
| Because they didn't want to stay here if they couldn't, you know, have a planet, effectively a wild planet where they could dominate. | ||
| But by your own admission regarding them, they could. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's a real fundamental issue here with, like, they are overpowered to an excessive degree. | ||
| They can control psionically all of these other alien races. | ||
| Yeah, they can do anything and everything they want. | ||
| They were the only race in our solar system with weaponized ships. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you just go up there and have a little chat. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| You've spoiled their fun. | ||
| You can't be doing this! | ||
| You can't conquer them, but you can spoil their fun. | ||
| He keeps saying, spoil their fun! | ||
| You can't spoil their fun! | ||
| I'm like, I don't get... | ||
| What do you... | ||
| You scold them and they leave? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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Hey! | |
| What kind of universe do we live in? | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| You got us. | ||
| You can't do that with humans. | ||
| How are you going to do that with silver craft aliens? | ||
| Dan, what does an estimated IQ of 500 mean? | ||
| I don't think it means anything. | ||
| I don't think it means anything. | ||
| See, that's a failure of imagination. | ||
| That's a failure of imagination. | ||
| No, because, I mean, IQ tests... | ||
| Well, those tests are actually biased towards the grays. | ||
| No, no, towards white people. | ||
| IQ tests have an implicit cultural bias, so the idea that someone has a 500 IQ just means that they are super white. | ||
| They're the whitest thing that's ever existed. | ||
| I mean, what is the maximum IQ, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| The point being, that's a failure of imagination. | ||
| It's an artificial standard of intelligence, first of all. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then second of all, in terms of, like, the actual scale, it doesn't go above, like, 200, right? | ||
| No, I think it does. | ||
| Don't people just talk about, like, the greatest geniuses being, like, 170-something or something? | ||
| Yeah, the problem there is... | ||
| Getting in Mensa, you have to be over 120 or something like that? | ||
| Mensa's actually a scam. | ||
| You should read up on it. | ||
| Well, look, still... | ||
| So, the point being... | ||
| Scam or not, it has their standard. | ||
| Who tested them? | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Probably never going to find the answer to that one. | ||
| No, we're probably never going to figure that one out. | ||
| Actually, that was what spoiled their fun. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| They took the test and were like, oh, are we going to have to take tests all the time now? | ||
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Christ! | |
| We're going to go to the Pleiades! | ||
| We're gladiators who just want to dominate. | ||
| We don't want to take tests. | ||
| Going to another galaxy. | ||
| It also makes them seem like they just like pranks. | ||
| It does seem like... | ||
| When you use the language of their fun was spoiled, it really doesn't make it seem like they're eating people or anything like that. | ||
| It just seems like they're maybe putting banana peels around for people to fall over on. | ||
| Then again, if you are that super-powered, it does kind of make sense that you would get bored to the point where you're just like, hey, let's fuck around with these people for a while. | ||
| Like, what other explanation is there for the shit that people ascribe to God? | ||
| Like, he's an overpowered being. | ||
| He just, yeah, he does whatever he wants and he gets bored. | ||
| Everybody gets bored. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Hurricanes are just God's pranks, Dan. | ||
| So, Captain J goes to Mars and he goes through the acclimation process where he sees... | ||
| Easter Island folk. | ||
| Sure, that's a part of it. | ||
| And then he goes deep underground and he finds some ants. | ||
| And these ants have a certain way of communicating with him that involves a helmet and is very bizarre. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So, when did Ender's Game come out, Dan? | ||
| This is incredibly bizarre. | ||
| Because it was before this. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| That said, the way he explains this is so bizarre, and I love on one level, but also think he's not answering any questions on another level. | ||
| I'll talk briefly about telepathy or sign-like ability. | ||
| Then we're taken down right away into some rooms and we said look we're gonna give you the history of Mars and of Earth and of this solar system and all the information that we have so that you'll know what you're dealing with here. | ||
| Right? | ||
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These creatures are leaving we want you to show you what's been going on I agree. | |
| 10,000 years and so the first series 10,000 years to just say. | ||
| The previous psionic communication that I had was just you were getting, you know, we didn't, this wasn't done by the aunts themselves, which were just a bit too strong to be in their direct presence and do things with them when you've only been there a half an hour, you know what I mean? | ||
| Okay, no! | ||
| I don't know what you mean! | ||
| Okay, now this attaches to their stored telepathic sonic memories, and they have records going back. | ||
| To the beginning. | ||
| And that's why I'm not afraid to come out with any of this information at all because... | ||
| Put the fucking helmet on for yourself, huh? | ||
| So the first thing I was showing, I put on this helmet and they said, okay, you're going back and you're going to do 15 years, you know, compressed, of the life of Jeepsin, I believe. | ||
| That was the name that, as I understood it. | ||
| A human being on the Earth, immediately after the Great Cataclysm, which almost destroyed the Earth. | ||
| This will take just over an hour. | ||
| Oh, is that an hour? | ||
| And you will get 15 years. | ||
| Now, you don't obviously get the whole 15 years. | ||
| You get significant events, and then it blends into the next one, and then you're ahead two years, and another year. | ||
| Who the fuck are you, man? | ||
| Melding together 15 years of this man's life on the just post-cataclysm of Earth. | ||
| In these telepathic psionic memories, you are the character. | ||
| It's so good that you are actually looking out through the eyes to the character. | ||
| This to me seems like something, like a melding of that Albert Brooks movie, Defending Your Life. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's a great one. | ||
| And that H.P. Lovecraft story, Shadow Out of Time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Don't forget the Matrix's little... | ||
| Color Out of Time? | ||
| Like throw kung fu in your brain in two seconds. | ||
| Like that whole thing too. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Is he... | ||
| Is he smacking his lips the entire time? | ||
| Yeah, he is. | ||
| That's really throwing me off. | ||
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It's distracting. | |
| It's really bumming me out. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I don't like a guy who smacks his lips. | ||
| You've turned on him. | ||
| No, I'm against him. | ||
| The idea of this is like, okay, so these ants, they have this technology where you put the helmet on and then you get to see everything that they want to tell you. | ||
| The helmet's specifically designed for a human head despite the fact that until now they have never needed a... | ||
| I mean, human... | ||
| Annoid heads are probably pretty similar. | ||
| You know, you've got to assume that there's other races with similar craniums. | ||
| Oh, so it's like a baseball cap that can, like, expand, or, you know, they've got the snaps in there. | ||
| Or, yeah, yeah, or it's like some sort of flex fiber, you know, who knows. | ||
| Yeah, okay, that works. | ||
| Leave that, that part is, that case closed on that one. | ||
| You figured that one out. | ||
| How dare you bring that penny swaddle to the table. | ||
| I was just interested. | ||
| So you put on this flexi helmet, and then you get to see all this history that they want to show you. | ||
| Now, the problem that I have is that he only saw 15 years of one person's memories, and not all of them, just major events that blurred together. | ||
| He was even kind of shitting on their technology. | ||
| Maybe a little bit. | ||
| But then also the idea that it was after the... | ||
| Cataclysm on Earth, and he never specifies what that means. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| There were a bunch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There were a bunch of cataclysms on Earth. | ||
| The only thing that I would guess it means, and I'm only guessing because he never spells this out, is that it's anti-silver saucer alien propaganda to some extent. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I buy that. | ||
| It's trying to say that, like... | ||
| Like Noah's Flood or whatever was caused by these aliens. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And so he gets to put this helmet on and then he experiences the life of someone who died in that flood. | ||
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Right. | |
| But he sees the aliens who caused it or something like that. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| I'm stretching real hard. | ||
| No, I'm really not following him at all on this one. | ||
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No. | |
| I've been gung-ho this whole while, but this one... | ||
| I'm going to have to say this doesn't make any sense, Dan. | ||
| Also, I want more than 15 years history. | ||
| I want more than one person's perspective. | ||
| And I definitely don't want one person's perspective over 15 years, but actually it's like a few moments melded together? | ||
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Fuck off! | |
| If we're just spitballing and imagining alien technology, why not have the Matrix version where it's like, I know Kung Fu. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Just like, why does it have to take an hour for you to get 15 years? | ||
| How lame is this? | ||
| Wait, he did say it took about an hour, didn't he? | ||
| What? | ||
| Why? | ||
| How lame is this? | ||
| It's psionic. | ||
| It should be immediate. | ||
| It should be as fast as the brain functions. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| This is like the... | ||
| This is a guy with an imagination that has a governor. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| It's stopping him from going full speed, but he's running. | ||
| He just can't run fast enough. | ||
| No, the thing about science fiction is you can't break your own rules. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, when you're writing a science fiction, sure, you've got faster than light travel or whatever, but that has to be, like, a rule? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you break that, then you're fucking around. | ||
| You know, whatever rules you establish in your fake science fiction universe are fine as long as you adhere to those the same way that we're supposed to believe you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So... | |
| Thumbs down. | ||
| Thumbs down to this guy, Dan. | ||
| Captain J? | ||
| You've been on a rollercoaster with Captain J. You loved him, now you dislike him. | ||
| Dude, I don't know. | ||
| We'll see how this goes. | ||
| I will say that Carrie is on board with you in disliking him, and part of it is because he is portraying these silver saucer evil aliens as these supposed Pleiadians. | ||
| And in his next clip, he says some disparaging things about the Pleiadians. | ||
| Carrie cannot be happy about. | ||
| The ants and the other creatures can psionically communicate with you if they're in the room with you or can see you, but they can't go into great, fantastic detail and show you long, involved stories. | ||
| You have to put on a helmet to do that. | ||
| However, the silver saucer so-called Pleiadian races, if you're anywhere near them, they can just take your mind over. | ||
| A whole lot of radiation in that center. | ||
| And you'd just be standing there going, oh, I'm somewhere else now, you know? | ||
| And then suddenly you're back. | ||
| And they're saying, gee, did we just go there? | ||
| And they said, no, no, I just showed you that. | ||
| So the supposed Pleiadians, these silver saucer aliens, have much more powerful psionic abilities that can transport you places without the flex fiber helmet that we've... | ||
| Now have a trademark on, by the way. | ||
| We have a patent. | ||
| Do we have a patent on that? | ||
| You and me? | ||
| Yeah, we do. | ||
| We've discussed it. | ||
| We have a fucking patent. | ||
| Okay, we mailed the idea to ourselves. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So yeah, and then he scoffs when he says Pleiadians. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| You've got to imagine Carrie is stewing. | ||
| She's just sitting there like, fuck you, you asshole. | ||
| Mark fucking Richards told me all this shit. | ||
| It's not even just Mark in terms of the Pleiadians. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| Mark has... | ||
| He claims most of the space vis-a-vis raptors, but in terms of Pleiadians, all of the channeled materials that you get from all these weirdos that have been going on for years and years, even before Carrie came on the scene, a lot of them were about the Pleiadians, the Lightbringers. | ||
| There is this mythology around the Pleiadians that they're the ones who have come to give us... | ||
| Freedom. | ||
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And invite us into the order of species in the universe. | |
| But why? | ||
| Is that just from the Greek? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Isn't Pleiades Greek? | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| Is there some sort of connection there? | ||
| Why do people center on that one as being their bringers of light? | ||
| I think because traditionally they are Nordic alien beings. | ||
| If I had to guess just cutting through the bullshit... | ||
| You're going to go with a version of Manifest Destiny. | ||
| Or space racism. | ||
| Spacism. | ||
| There is a version of it. | ||
| They are the most similar to white people and therefore have always been cast in the role of... | ||
| I mean, that... | ||
| God, racists already took over space before we even got there, man. | ||
| I mean, way long ago. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| So unsurprising at the end of the day. | ||
| Of course space is racist. | ||
| But, I mean, all of these people, like, if we cut through the bullshit in talking about, like, the science fiction writing aspect of this, and we actually just deal with this as adults and, like, humans, these people are just telling stories with a cast of characters that are extravagant in some ways and fanciful in others. | ||
| All, not all, because Captain J is kind of an anomaly in this, which is one of the reasons why this is super interesting. | ||
| No, no, no, I'm enjoying it. | ||
| I would say 90 to 95% of the alien stuff that you end up seeing online casts the Pleiadians as our mentors in the universe. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And they are always described as like Nordic, maybe taller than us, angelic white beings. | ||
| It makes total sense, because all of the people who are perpetuating these stories are... | ||
| Do they have something in common? | ||
| Boring-ass white people. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Dan, what? | ||
| Slightly creative, but not creative enough to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Write something good. | ||
| To not be racist, yeah. | ||
| Well, no, because, like, Lovecraft was racist, but he was fucking talented and shit, and that's why he was able to write the stuff he wrote. | ||
| You know, like, it's not that racism is an inhibition on your creativity. | ||
| It's just, like, these people, generally speaking, are not good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're not good at this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the same thing you were talking about earlier, the idea of, like, this is where you limit your creativity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get to a point and can't go further, and they accept the conventions of the medium that they're in, which is space lies. | ||
| And they allow their personal biases to appear in ways that they otherwise couldn't express them publicly. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Jordan, Carrie. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Cassidy. | ||
| What about her? | ||
| One of her big things is about the military. | ||
| She always is obsessed with the idea of ranks, the idea that people are in these military organizations, because the secret space program is a part of the military. | ||
| It's part of the services. | ||
| It's a secret space part of the military, but it is there. | ||
| There's dark budgets and what have you. | ||
| Why do you think your Medicare D benefits went down? | ||
| Every single person that she has who are real important people in her world are... | ||
| Military people. | ||
| Randy Kramer, he's still militaried up. | ||
| He has a liaison sponsor in the military. | ||
| Captain Mark Richards is so deep military that he's doing this 30-year bid to life in prison because he's still a part of it. | ||
| Everything has to be considered. | ||
| Within the worldview of Chain of Command. | ||
| That's a really good point that begs the question... | ||
| That's why all these people steal Valor. | ||
| Right, right, of course. | ||
| But does she have a personal connection to the military? | ||
| Was she a military brat? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Why is it that she's so deferential to this kind of... | ||
| Hardcore, fascist, militaristic ideal. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I don't know enough about her family of origin. | ||
| I generally spend my actual deep research time on more productive topics. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| What could be more productive? | ||
| I would say that she probably has a very strong appreciation of authority while also being... | ||
| Pretend anti-authority. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, the pretend part is the, like, I believe in space and I'm talking to aliens and I have dreams of the future. | ||
| Like, that's the imaginary anti-authority aspect. | ||
| And then the, like, it all lives within the world of, well, I only really believe people who pretend to be part of the military. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| It's tough to say where it comes from. | ||
| And I don't want to break the Goldwater rule by psychoanalyzing her. | ||
| But... | ||
| She wants a fascist dominator. | ||
| She just doesn't want the fascist dominator we have at any given point in time. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's a strong through line of all of these whistleblowers that she has that they all pretend that they were deeply involved in X, Y, or Z organizations. | ||
| And hey, whatever records that organization may have, which they're never going to give anyway. | ||
| They're actually on Mars. | ||
| Yeah, they're on Mars or they're like deep. | ||
| Deep secret records that you're never going to get a hold of. | ||
| But trust me, I probably am the most important person in the world. | ||
| The most! | ||
| Me and my dad, the Dutchman, we saved the world over and over and over again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Has she ever had anybody on who claims they're a general? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, the highest. | ||
| She's always had somebody who's like a captain. | ||
| And no one who's been an infantryman or a private. | ||
| Yeah, well, of course. | ||
| You don't fuck around with non-commissioned officers, Dan. | ||
| That just makes perfect sense. | ||
| That goes all the way back to her West Point days. | ||
| Well, listen. | ||
| All of this is just to serve as an introduction to this next clip where it really seems like Captain J had nothing to do with the military. | ||
| He's not even expressing that, like, this trip to Mars where he, quote, sorted things out, that had nothing to do with the military. | ||
| That was just the greys coming and picking him up and being like, you are the person we need. | ||
| It took about 20 minutes. | ||
| Did you have a commanding officer? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| We had no command chain whatsoever. | ||
| We had no radio contact with anyone other than our pilot, who was just as stunned and amazed and numb as we were. | ||
| I didn't know what he was even seeing on the ground, these huge creatures. | ||
| Following us around and stuff. | ||
| And no, we were just to come back and debrief. | ||
| And I was going to do the, I guess, the talking. | ||
| He's a space diplomat. | ||
| He's the negotiator that the Greys have chosen to take up. | ||
| There's no chain of command. | ||
| He has no one he's answering to. | ||
| Who are the other people on this fucking ship? | ||
| It makes absolutely no sense for Carrie's worldview because the secret space program is so compartmentalized and it's all the government doing all these black operations and shit like that. | ||
| And no, now she has this guy on who's like, nah, I liberated Mars and I did it basically solo. | ||
| Like, we didn't have any military chain. | ||
| And now I am back on board with his grace because they realized that if you wanted to go with somebody who is built into the political machine, you're going to wind up having to go through all this red tape and you're going to get a lot of people who are out of bad faith. | ||
| So you grab this guy who you know has a good fucking heart, which is all you need to sort things out on Mars, Dan. | ||
| You got to sort it out. | ||
| You got to sort them out. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I like... | ||
| What I like about this is that you have someone who is so different than all of her other guests. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| No, this is wild for her. | ||
| It's such a curveball, and she hates it. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Like, she's called him ludicrous already. | ||
| This is absurd. | ||
| This is convoluted. | ||
| Like, she is not having a good time with this because he's presenting, like, this is my personal experience, which is just as valid as any of your other fucking people's experience. | ||
| And I will tell you that the Greys are pretty cool. | ||
| They came down and got me, and I liberated Mars, and it had nothing to do with the military. | ||
| We didn't have any chain of command. | ||
| There was no one telling me what to do at all. | ||
| I went down there. | ||
| They acclimated me. | ||
| I found an Easter Island head alien. | ||
| You heard of those, Carrie? | ||
| No, you haven't. | ||
| They're great. | ||
| They're pretty cool. | ||
| She does not like a civilian. | ||
| No, she doesn't like it. | ||
| She does not like it. | ||
| She doesn't like someone who on their own was chosen by the aliens to come negotiate peace in the universe. | ||
| Dude, but this guy crushed it! | ||
| All of her other guests have only fomented more pain and terror, and this dude is the first guy who's like, Yeah, man, I don't need to... | ||
| I'm a rogue Democrat. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm a rogue diplomat flying around the universe just sorting shit out. | ||
| Look. | ||
| What? | ||
| Space. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| Carrie is not enjoying this interview, as we've clearly seen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, towards this point, she's kind of trying to dismount. | ||
| And she's like, look, I don't want to interrupt you, but I have somewhere else I gotta be. | ||
| She does that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| An hour in. | ||
| This whole interview is only about an hour, which is short for some of her interviews. | ||
| Yeah, she's got somewhere else to be. | ||
| She's like, I have other things that I need to do. | ||
| And she keeps interrupting him, and he keeps talking. | ||
| He, I will say, is one of the people who is the most loquacious of her guests. | ||
| Like, he just will do ten minute long. | ||
|
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Well, I went to Mars and saw a water bear. | |
| There's a wasp. | ||
| The water bear was mating with a wasp and a giant snake. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| And I went over and I saw these stairs. | ||
| These stairs were amazing. | ||
| Because they don't construct things on Mars. | ||
| They just cut them out of the ground. | ||
| And I saw the stairs. | ||
| He talks about stairs for a very long time. | ||
| He talks about stairs for a long time. | ||
| So Carrie has to keep interrupting him when she wants to end the show. | ||
| She's just like, I don't want to interrupt you, but I've got somewhere else I've got to be. | ||
|
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Dismount. | |
| Dismount! | ||
| But she does end up taking a couple questions from the audience. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I'm sorry to interrupt you here. | ||
| We, as I say, our time is limited, but I do have a very small audience here, and I do see that we've got a couple questions in the chat. | ||
|
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Ready? | |
| One person wants to know if you're 100% human. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| Check that one off. | ||
| Check that one off as a boring question from the audience. | ||
| He's just a dude. | ||
| So then we get another question. | ||
| Okay, and another person wants to know why you're wearing sunglasses. | ||
|
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No reason. | |
| No reason. | ||
| I just think it looks more like a space captain, you know? | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Boo on that rationale. | ||
|
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Boo! | |
| Boo! | ||
| *laughter* | ||
| Look, I just think it looks like a space guy. | ||
| I won't argue based on movies. | ||
| Is he wearing aviators? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's actually way too far away from the camera. | ||
| Is he Top Gun? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| He has, like, a webcam setup that is a good, like... | ||
| Ten feet away from him. | ||
| Is there an unhung painting in the background? | ||
| No, it's not a Rappaport situation. | ||
| But it's not a good... | ||
| I can't tell the brand of these glasses. | ||
| But yeah, he's wearing sunglasses. | ||
| Who cares, man? | ||
| He looks like a space pilot. | ||
| I look more space pilot-y. | ||
| I find that so refreshing. | ||
| I love that he does not build any backstory to it at all. | ||
| Fuck, I just want to look the parts. | ||
| Dude, I'm Captain J. Why not wear some fucking sunglasses, right? | ||
| It's what you think a space pilot looks like, so I might as well try. | ||
| So those are the questions, and then Carrie ends the interview in a soft and salty way. | ||
| So thank you very much, Captain J, for sharing your testimony with us today. | ||
| This is, as I say, very impromptu, and there's no real way to vet this information. | ||
| Go to Mars, bitch! | ||
| Perhaps there will be in the future, and we'll just kind of leave an open door and see what happens. | ||
| So that is exactly what you said at the beginning, which is there is no way to prove any of this, but you can sort of tell, like, if that had gone better, she wouldn't have ended it with, I'd like to remind you, but this guy, I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about. | ||
| It's fun, it's fun, and maybe this is a perfect Halloween episode, because Carrie is dressed up as someone... | ||
| Who actually is questioning what someone is saying to her? | ||
| Maybe it is the perfect analog for a costume. | ||
| I just don't know how to feel about this guy, Dan. | ||
| On the one hand, he's so far been my favorite Project Camelot guest. | ||
| Well, I mean, the running isn't... | ||
| It's not a deep crew. | ||
| Like, who do you have to pull for? | ||
| You have a racist pleiadian. | ||
| You have a murderer. | ||
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Wasn't the guy who was a PM in Britain? | |
| Simon Parks? | ||
| Yeah, was he on the show or was he just mentioned? | ||
| No, he's been on a lot. | ||
| Yeah, well, he's up there. | ||
| I like him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He seemed like his policy positions were great. | ||
| Sure, he fucked an alien once every four months, but he had good policy ideas. | ||
| He's not as bigoted as some of the other folks that you're going to end up running into, sure. | ||
| This guy doesn't seem... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's bigoted, but I don't know where to who and why. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| We talked about it at the beginning of the show. | ||
| The things that he's expressing... | ||
| At least metaphorically seem more progressive than so many of these other guests. | ||
| And Carrie hates him. | ||
| That seems... | ||
| Seems to say something. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because we can only live in the world of metaphor, I don't know what conclusion you can draw from it. | ||
| It is fascinating. | ||
| It is endlessly fascinating to me whenever we go through all of these guys and how they feel about races. | ||
| Like, they all... | ||
| All of them, when an alien race is involved, they all have hard and fast positions on what entire races are good and entire races are bad. | ||
| That is an important piece I don't think we ever unpack. | ||
| There is a uniform characteristic that's given to races. | ||
| Yeah, to races entirely. | ||
| And having that thought kind of leads you to believe that you might think similarly about humans. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not sure, but... | ||
| But this guy, it seems like even his racist things like, oh, the Pleiadians, you think your Pleiadians aren't Pleiadians, and they're bad. | ||
| But even then, they're like bad ants. | ||
| His description of all of this shit is very noncommittal towards an actual race of beings being good or bad. | ||
| More even, like, even his worst characterization was capricious. | ||
| They just don't have their fun. | ||
| Yeah, these guys are infinitely powerful and have no problem, and we mucked it up, and they were like, fine, goodbye! | ||
| We talked to them, and then they couldn't have their fun. | ||
| If there are space politics, that's a better version. | ||
| I appreciate it more. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| So, it's interesting that you have this guy who's come in and expressed these things, and he's never been welcomed back on the show. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Meanwhile, Carrie will talk to Eddie Page five times in a month. | ||
| Non-stop. | ||
| Now, here's where the show proper ends. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we'll be back in just a moment to listen to more tracks from Carrie Custody's album. | ||
| Welcome back to the Knowledge Fight Listening Room. | ||
| That's right, we're here. | ||
| Now we're going to shift gears a little bit and do a little bit of a listening party. | ||
| For the Project Camelot album, Rebel Gene. | ||
| Again, released in 2014. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| You can buy this online. | ||
| 12 bucks. | ||
| 12 bucks? | ||
| 12 bucks. | ||
| Dude, come on. | ||
| How many tracks? | ||
| Not many. | ||
| It's six tracks. | ||
| Six tracks? | ||
| That's unreasonable. | ||
| We've already heard Space Command. | ||
| Two bucks a track? | ||
| Even Apple charges like 99 cents. | ||
| This was released in 2014. | ||
| You can find more information about it at warriormusic.org. | ||
| So check that out. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| So we're going to start with the opening track. | ||
| This one is called Magic Eyes Only. | ||
| Oh, this is Ravi Shankar, right? | ||
|
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Maybe. | |
| Ooh, that's good. | ||
| Feel it. | ||
|
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feel that shit Holy shit! | |
| Carrie's singing. | ||
|
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Oh my god! | |
| Is this Lady Tron? | ||
| Is Carrie in Lady Tron? | ||
|
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Don't you have a right to choose? | |
| Is that an abortion message? | ||
|
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Should you believe? | |
| Should you believe in tea? | ||
| Are you not free to pursue life and liberty? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Dude, I'm vibing out on this. | ||
| This is for real good. | ||
| That is for real good. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| No, I would listen to that. | ||
| I would listen to that. | ||
| It's better than it deserves to be. | ||
|
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I would listen to that for sure. | |
| I don't think her voice is great, but it's serviceable in that role. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Look, she could take over for war paint any day. | ||
| She'd be fine. | ||
| Miss Mister, she's there. | ||
| Strong opening track. | ||
| It's a good track. | ||
| Strong opening track. | ||
| Let's see where we go from there. | ||
| This is next track, track number two, Rogue Civilization. | ||
|
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The rules upon your world. | |
| They are the octopus that rules upon your world. | ||
| They are the octopus that rides upon your world. | ||
| N-R-O-C-I-A. | ||
| Oh, we can't legally listen to this without a hookah, so... | ||
| I love the octopus. | ||
| Any world yours? | ||
|
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Are any world yours? | |
| Secret space... | ||
| All worlds are yours except for Europa. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Why? | ||
| That's a big reveal. | ||
| That is a big reveal. | ||
| Why can't I go to Europa? | ||
|
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Well, now the only world I want is Europa. | |
| Also, how has that never come up on the show before? | ||
| It's on her album. | ||
| Look, a good artist never looks back. | ||
| Never look back. | ||
| She burned that material on this album. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| But it still seems like a good rule. | ||
| A lot can change in four years. | ||
| All worlds are yours except Europa. | ||
| I don't understand what that one actually means, though. | ||
| Like, what world is Europa? | ||
| Isn't that a moon? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also the next song, track three. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Nail gun to the head. | ||
| That's a harsh title. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Is this Fugazi? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
|
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To all prospective whistleblowers, get out while you're still playing. | |
| It's a massive attack. | ||
| Yeah, I was just thinking that, goddammit! | ||
| I was about to say that same shit! | ||
| In short, the banker hits are being done by the bad guys to keep the men from singing after they flipped during prosecution. | ||
| Freak out. | ||
| Investigation. | ||
|
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Protection. | |
| The STL fed guy discovered some Bush-fed guy multi-billion dollar fraud was ready to report it. | ||
| It doesn't even rhyme. | ||
| She didn't have to say fed guy. | ||
| I don't know why she rhymed earlier and then doesn't have to later. | ||
| Tricky, tricky, you know what I mean. | ||
| The London Bank can be good to see the Interpol on the Mafia-Vatican connections on massive Corax fraud. | ||
| That's... | ||
| It is unclear which is bigger, Vatican links to narco money or links to Forex fraud thought theft. | ||
| Wait, wait, did she say fraud thought theft? | ||
| Fraud thought theft, yes. | ||
| Goddamn, I think we're coming to one very strong conclusion. | ||
| For real, this is instrumentally serviceable. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| Eerily, eerily similar to the JBXX album, I'm New Here, where he sampled Gil Scott Heron's spoken word shit and then just put beats underneath it. | ||
| Eerily similar to that. | ||
| Slightly different content. | ||
| Might be a little bit... | ||
| I don't think she ever says that a rat done bit her sister Nell. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
|
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A rat done bit my sister Nell. | |
| The government, etc. | ||
| This is so wild. | ||
| I'm almost disappointed that... | ||
| It's not worse? | ||
| Well, no, I think it's terrible. | ||
| I really don't think it's terrible. | ||
| I think it's terrible because of the combination of all of its parts. | ||
| I think that I could low-key, mellow vibe on some of the instrumentation. | ||
| And also, if it wasn't Carrie Cassidy saying this nonsense, I think I could put up with the vocals. | ||
| The vocal quality isn't terrible. | ||
| It's the fact that she's saying things that I'm like, hold on, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Have you ever heard Disclosure? | ||
| That kind of... | ||
|
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Ambient, non-offensive. | |
| It makes sense. | ||
| I don't think this is terrible. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| Alright, let's see if you enjoy this next track. | ||
| The next track is actually Space Command. | ||
| I think Nail Gun to the Head is probably troublesome. | ||
| Nail Command. | ||
| Space Command. | ||
| Nail Command to the Head. | ||
| Space Command is the next song, so we're going to skip that and go on to track five. | ||
| This is AI Battle. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| While Biden was sent to the Vatican to play homage to the new Pope taking office. | ||
| He was a innocent citizen. | ||
| He was on the earth. | ||
| Birds are back in the future Reggaeton! | ||
| Who's this guy? | ||
| I think this one is actually Portishead. | ||
|
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Who is really in charge? | |
| Bush Cabal? | ||
| George Bush Sr.? | ||
| Marduk or Marduk? | ||
| Marduk! | ||
|
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Marduk! | |
| Marduk, based in Tanzania. | ||
| What? | ||
|
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Marduk is the Italian? | |
| He returned to Earth. | ||
| Highly anticipated by the dark. | ||
| No, there is a spirit. | ||
| The dark ones are in peace. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| If that was cardinal official, I'm going to be pissed off. | ||
| She had someone on the track and it doesn't say who was guesting. | ||
| If that was Cardinal Official, I think he can do better. | ||
| But I also know that he will do anything. | ||
| He'll show up anywhere. | ||
| He did that song with Colby O'Donis. | ||
| I think it was probably one of the lesser Marley children. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's possible. | ||
| So that was a little too reggae for my tastes, I think. | ||
| Also a little bit too much for Carrie. | ||
| That was jarring. | ||
| I appreciate a good guitar. | ||
| So this last track here, the album Closer. | ||
| It's called Humanity, Get Off Your Knees. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Understanding what we are made of is key to understanding what our true potential is. | ||
| Once you realize this, then child is father to the man. | ||
| That's actually Blue Six. | ||
| That's actually Blue Six. | ||
| Did she just steal everybody from the early 2000s doing ambient music? | ||
| Child is the Father of Man is also an album by Blood, Sweat, and Tears. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Which is really great. | ||
| But this to me seems like opium in the late 70s. | ||
| This seems to me like you've got to be real on some debilitating shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
|
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It becomes much more real. | |
| The fact is, we may end up being their teachers rather than the other way around. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Humanity is a genetic. | ||
| What?! | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| Damn right. | ||
| That's a dope baseline. | ||
| That's a dope baseline. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| If you don't like that baseline, go fuck yourself. | ||
| There is no quarantine on this planet. | ||
| Bing. | ||
|
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Boom. | |
| do. | ||
| And we do. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| I don't know if there's any That's a great bass line. | ||
| This is, I proclaim it, not a terrible album. | ||
| We're only listening to the samples. | ||
| I guarantee if you had to sit around and listen to this for half an hour, you'd probably be like, oh, God. | ||
| Wait, six tracks last half hour? | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| That's too long. | ||
| Each of those tracks, we only heard about one-fifth of them. | ||
| Too long. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's a 36-minute album, six tracks. | ||
| No, I can see her teaming up with Jihan and Kamian and putting out an alright Blue Note album. | ||
| It's interesting that she did that in 2014 and has not ventured back into the waters of music. | ||
| Nor has she ever mentioned it on the show. | ||
| She's never mentioned that? | ||
| I've never heard that. | ||
| I accidentally found that. | ||
| That seems crazy. | ||
| Legit, if I were her, that would be the thing I would be most proud of. | ||
| I think that I've heard a lot of, like, albums by people who have no business making music. | ||
| Like, you know, like a Joe Pesci. | ||
| Or Steven Seagal made some music. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| I assumed Steven Seagal had an album. | ||
| There's a lot of actors who have made music. | ||
| And, like, you listen to that and you're like, eh, what are you doing? | ||
| What, you think this bass line is good? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Like that sort of thing. | ||
| And I will come with you as far as I'm going to accept that that is better than a lot of them. | ||
| You should come with us and leave your world behind, Dan. | ||
| So Carrie made some music. | ||
| Good on her. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| It's not bad, Dan. | ||
| This will be our eternal struggle. | ||
| Whoever was producing that album. | ||
| They knew exactly what he or she was working with. | ||
| Keep it simple. | ||
| They knew exactly what they were working with. | ||
| Keep it simple, stupid. | ||
| And they were willing to, like, let's make sure that this fucking vibes, and let's not worry about anything beyond that. | ||
| If I'm working on an album with Carrie Cassidy, here's what I'm going to do. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| This is going to live or die by her weirdness. | ||
| So what I'm going to do is be non-offensive. | ||
| I'm just going to make this as mellow and just whatever is possible and then she can throw her weirdness on it and it's not on me. | ||
| I was just on their website. | ||
| I still don't remember what that guy's name is who did all the music. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It was right in front of me. | ||
| I really want to know who the studio musicians were because let me tell you something. | ||
| I think it was just one guy. | ||
| Look it up. | ||
| It's on warriormusic.org. | ||
| You can find all the information you can follow. | ||
| So there's a multi-instrumentalist producer who is doing all this for her? | ||
| That guy's a... | ||
| Or he or she is a fucking amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| We're gonna peel back the layers and find out that he's the genius behind so many of the great hits. | ||
| It's actually DJ Danger Mouse. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's Dan the Automator. | ||
| He loves concept albums. | ||
| He loves concept albums. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| Deltron 30. So, guys, this has been fun. | ||
| Nice break from reality a little bit. | ||
| But we'll be back with our next episode that will unfortunately deal with whatever it deals with. | ||
|
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Much more reality. | |
| It might get better! | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| I couldn't even sell myself on that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Anyway, we have a website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We do indeed. | ||
| Dan, where could you find us on a social media site? | ||
| Twitter. | ||
| Twitter, is that one? | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| I'm not on that one. | ||
| What about Facebook? | ||
| You're not on that one either, but we are, and also we have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| That sounds great. | ||
| You can ask to join. | ||
| We will let you in there. | ||
| I do avail myself of the iTunes. | ||
| Can you find us there? | ||
| Yep, we're on there. | ||
| You can leave a review. | ||
| You can subscribe. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you all so, oh, so very much for supporting the show and being interested in it. | ||
| We appreciate it so much. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Do you know what, Dan? | ||
| The only thing that I can say for certain... | ||
| Shut it down. | ||
| I do want to hear what you were going to say, but I have a better one. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You do yours, I'll do mine, and then the audience can vote. | ||
| Okay, that sounds good. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| You're first. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| The only thing I can say for certain is that for the first time on a Project Camelot, maybe not the first time, but for the first time on a Project Camelot episode where a guy calls himself a captain, he has explicitly never killed a guy. | ||
| But I know somebody who has. | ||
| So here's mine. | ||
| You are just waiting for me to finish mine so you can do here. | ||
| It's pretty close, though. | ||
| It's pretty close. | ||
| I was going to say something in the... | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| Thank God that when these silver craft beings were causing all their problems in the universe, all it took was some weird dude going into space, going to Mars, getting acclimated to Easter Highland beings, and then figuring it out. | ||
| No one had to die in figuring out the problems of the universe. | ||
| But one guy had to theoretically die for no reason. | ||
| And you know who did it? | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| And I! | ||
| Mine was a little bit more... | ||
| Succinct was the way I would describe mine. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Let us know which one you enjoyed better. | ||
| We'll see you next time. | ||
| You're on the podcast. | ||
| Alex probably killed a dude. | ||
|
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |