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July 3, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
01:55:14
#60: Mars Colonies

Dan is sick of all the nonsense about a guest on The Alex Jones Show talking about secret Mars Colonies, so he calls an audible and changes the format of the show. The reason that Alex and his guests get to feign credibility is because they speak about things like Mars Colonies very non-specifically. But what happens when you take one of their non-specific claims and pay close attention to it? In this case, you end up learning a whole lot about a super soldier/Mars warrior.

Participants
Main voices
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dan friesen
54:49
j
jordan holmes
34:14
r
randy cramer
17:31
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kerry cassidy
03:50
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alex jones
00:35
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robert david steele
00:32
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
There's a twist to it, though.
dan friesen
There is.
jordan holmes
Which is, one, we switch off on buying.
Novelty beverages.
dan friesen
Smooth start.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
That's the big twist, right?
dan friesen
You look lost.
jordan holmes
That's the big twist.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is, I guess.
jordan holmes
You've been fucking scaring me with the preview for this.
Like, your first words are, this might be very, very fun, or you might be furious.
What am I supposed to do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I'm already shook.
dan friesen
Well, you could introduce our beverage for the day, because this is your choice.
jordan holmes
It is Stubborn Soda Agave Vanilla Cream Soda.
How does that taste your base?
dan friesen
That is pretty good.
I don't know.
What do you want me to say?
It's pretty good.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I want a better review.
dan friesen
Tastes like vanilla.
unidentified
It's good.
It's good.
dan friesen
Tastes like cake frosting, but liquid.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now, I think I know what the next part is.
dan friesen
The next twist?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know a lot about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
That is correct.
And you don't know anything.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And let me tell you, what we're going to be talking about today, you know even less about.
Which is very exciting for me.
Like Jordan alluded to, I told him before the show...
jordan holmes
This tastes like I'm drinking a vanilla candle.
dan friesen
Or a cake.
It's like frosting.
jordan holmes
This is intense.
dan friesen
It's weird.
Before the show, I told Jordan that today we're going to be doing something a little bit different, and here's why.
Alex Jones has been pretty reckless and being pretty violent in the current day, and I don't want to talk about that.
It's kind of boring, and I also don't want to...
Feed into or really even dissect the CNN tapes that Project Veritas is putting out.
Because they're just so obviously manipulatively edited, it's pointless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's James O 'Keefe.
He lied.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's a monster.
He's been discredited repeatedly in the past and been sued.
Repeatedly.
Successfully.
jordan holmes
The fact that he's even still in the news that somehow people are still paying attention to him is such a disappointing...
dan friesen
Well, it's because he reinforces the narratives that other people wish were true.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean, come on.
Anybody could do that.
dan friesen
And a massive amount of Koch Brothers or Mercer funding.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he has tons and tons of money.
jordan holmes
Hey guys, let's make sure billionaires control our world.
dan friesen
Like the most recent video he put out was about Zucker, the head of CNN.
He's like...
Okay, here's the video.
jordan holmes
I've already taken you off track.
I don't want to talk about the CNN videos.
Alright, fuck it!
We're getting into it!
dan friesen
Well, the most recent one is legitimately James O 'Keefe outside of Zucker's house.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
And he has his microphone, and he's like, hey, what about these tapes that I've been putting out, basically?
To Zucker.
As he walks and enters a car, and then O 'Keefe's like, what a coward.
All right, dude, come on.
jordan holmes
Dude, just tweet at him.
That's about as good as you're going to get.
dan friesen
Then they reveal that they've been staking out in front of his house to get his morning routine down.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So they're stalking him, basically.
jordan holmes
See, now I'm on board.
This is something that we should adopt right there.
Don't fucking go to your congressman's house.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Find a billionaire.
Get a thousand, ten thousand people and just sit around outside their house.
dan friesen
Legitimately, if we had enough money, we could find out where Alex Jones' studio is.
I mean, it wouldn't be that hard.
We could employ the exact same tactics.
And when he's like, hey, why are you following me around?
I'm like, I'm a journalist.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Why are you ducking my questions, Alex?
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Yeah, give us money.
unidentified
I'll do it.
jordan holmes
I assume we'd get shot.
Probably.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
We would totally get shot.
dan friesen
Yeah, he fills his hands.
jordan holmes
Self-defense!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
All right.
dan friesen
So the other thing is we're currently in the middle of an Alex Jones distraction.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Which is whenever...
I don't know exactly what the...
There's no through line exactly why he does the things he does.
jordan holmes
Yes, there is.
Brain damage.
Brain damage.
dan friesen
Brain damage and money.
jordan holmes
Brain damage and money.
dan friesen
But every now and again, something will pop up and it'll be...
Look over here.
Look over here.
It's the red sheet to the charging bull of truth.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, truth is about to smack Alex Jones right in the face that he's been lying about a bunch of stuff.
And he gets the red cape out and distracts the bull and it goes and chases that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This week...
jordan holmes
The Trump form of government.
dan friesen
Right.
At the end of last week, he had Robert David Steele on as a guest, who we've discussed in the past when he came on and was saying that Trump needs his own propaganda TV network.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He was the guy who came on and was like, Alex, I need you to talk to Trump for me.
I have a list of suggestions he needs to read.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
You don't remember that guy?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Are you sure we talked to him?
We talked about him for sure.
jordan holmes
Was he on the one with the DC guy who was propagandizing?
dan friesen
No, it was not the Dennis Montgomery stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
No, we just talked about him for a little bit because he was basically saying that they need massive election reform in order to like...
jordan holmes
Voter suppression and the destruction of democracy.
dan friesen
He has a lot of really bad ideas.
But he came on the show at the end of last week, on Thursday, and he dropped this nugget.
alex jones
Let me see what Robert David Steele has to say.
Go ahead.
unidentified
I agree with that.
And let me just point out that pedophilia does not stop with sodomizing children.
It goes straight into terrorizing them to adrenalize their blood and then murdering them.
robert david steele
It also includes murdering them so that they can have their bone marrow harvested, as well as body parts.
unidentified
Hetophilia is much bigger.
alex jones
This is the original growth hormone.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
What is fucking happening?
unidentified
It's an anti-aging thing.
robert david steele
And this may strike your listeners as way out, but we actually believe that there is a colony on Mars that is populated by children who were kidnapped and sent into space on a 20-year ride.
So that once they get to Mars, they have no alternative but to be slaves on the Mars colony.
unidentified
There's all kinds of...
alex jones
Look, I know 90% of the NASA missions are secret, and I've been told by high-level NASA engineers that you have no idea.
There's so much stuff going on.
But then it goes off into all that.
I mean, that's the kind of thing the media jumps on.
But I know this, we see a bunch of mechanical wreckage on Mars.
And people say, oh, look, it looks like, you know, mechanics.
They go, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Clearly they don't want us looking into what's happening.
Every time probes go over, they turn them off.
robert david steele
Alex, you're one of the most original guys on the air.
And you asked, what should you do?
unidentified
I think you should be the truth channel in America.
dan friesen
He can't be.
He doesn't know how.
So Alex Jones does this.
He has crazy people on as guests.
They say ridiculous shit.
Then everyone is like...
jordan holmes
Look at how ridiculous this shit is.
dan friesen
Right, but then Alex plays the card of everyone saying that I said that there's bases on the moon.
alex jones
I didn't say that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Play me a clip of me saying that.
Well, we played the clip.
You had a guy who you have vocally said you respect his opinion about, and he said it.
And then your response was, everything that NASA does, most of it is secret.
There's machine wreckage on Mars.
You're reinforcing it without actually saying you believe in it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But it's still all a trap.
It's all a trap for the media.
It's all a trap for people who don't like Alex Jones to clown on him for Mars-based stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've seen this one in particular on the Twitter.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I saw this one.
NASA came out and said, no.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
That was that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
NASA said, come on, bro.
jordan holmes
They had a very put-upon scientist walk up to a podium.
Rub his forehead and just go, come on, guys.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why do I have to do this?
dan friesen
And the only real function that we get out of this, this, I mean, I think it's always funny when official organizations stoop below their status.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's fantastic.
dan friesen
And are like, just shut up.
That sort of stuff.
I always think conceptually that's pretty funny.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time, by NASA putting out articles about it, by people not being really accurate and just making fun of him for it, the end result is that people are exposed to Alex Jones.
Right.
unidentified
If they watch that full clip, they get to hear him talk about how terrible pedophilia is.
dan friesen
I need to dig more into this.
Listening to him and being like, oh, he didn't say that there's bases on Mars.
He was just allowing free speech on his show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So there is a negative outcome that can come from falling for this bull trick.
This red cape.
jordan holmes
My question is always like, what's the endgame?
dan friesen
For whom?
jordan holmes
The Twitter thing, which is amazing how Alex...
Can just keep fucking showing up in the world every time.
Every week it seems like he's somewhere on the internet and everybody's laughing at him and it's like, are we helping?
dan friesen
Are we?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I mean...
We could be.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But no.
jordan holmes
It's not doing any good, and it's just making it more likely for...
Because the more you click on it, the more they're like, oh, well, this is a thing people click on.
So the more they do that, the less likely you are to do anything fucking useful, and you're just going to clown on them all the time.
dan friesen
Everybody thinks...
And I appreciate our listeners who engage with stuff appropriately and in a smart way, but I do get tweets from a lot of people and texts and stuff about how, like, do you see this new Alex Jones meme?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that there's a mentality that people think that...
can just mock him out of existence yeah not realizing that no you can't that's not going to work there's going to need to be a much more deliberative focused truth-based uh...
Right.
Right.
Is a bigot.
jordan holmes
In the same way that you're fucking...
Everybody's fucking reading Trump's tweet on those two fucks who gives a shit.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I hope all of them get fucking hit by a meteor.
I don't fucking care.
dan friesen
Like, they're assholes, too.
jordan holmes
He's taking away healthcare!
dan friesen
And...
jordan holmes
Shut the fuck up about his tweets!
Go fucking...
Fight!
dan friesen
And making...
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm not going to.
I'm very scared of the outside.
dan friesen
Well, and he's actively trying to make it so we can't vote in the future.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
He's destroying the environment, taking away health care.
jordan holmes
It's going to be super weird how he wins re-election with 97% of the vote.
It's going to be crazy.
dan friesen
And Alex Jones' response will be like, he's a strong leader.
Finally, the polls are right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Finally, they've fixed the polls.
So, we have that to look forward to.
jordan holmes
The complete dissolution of democracy.
dan friesen
So, here's the deal.
I don't want to talk too much about...
I just think that it's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's not worth discussing most of the stuff that Alex is on at the end of last week.
Like I said, at the beginning of the week, he was on vacation.
I don't know what's going on.
He's living a wild life.
La Vida Loca.
jordan holmes
Did they play Life on Mars for the Coda on that?
Because that's perfect.
dan friesen
Nope.
They did not.
jordan holmes
They should have.
dan friesen
Anything from that album.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But here's the deal, also.
As this episode comes out, we'll be getting surgery.
And I want to treat myself.
So I've decided to do a complete audible on this episode and explore...
Where this idea of bases on Mars comes from.
jordan holmes
Alright, now I'm way fucking in.
dan friesen
Now I am way fucking in!
jordan holmes
Are you kidding me?
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
The rest of this episode will have very little to do with Alex Jones.
But it will have to do with where...
jordan holmes
And 90% of our audience just clicked pause and deleted from the iTunes app.
dan friesen
I promise you that this will actually be maybe more entertaining than Alex Jones.
So...
There are a lot of people who believe in space bases and what have you.
There's a lot of...
That community, the UFO community, is very large and very diverse.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You can find tons of people who cite...
jordan holmes
Far more diverse than Alex Jones' audience.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Totally.
I'm sure there's more than 3% African Americans in the UFO.
Maybe not.
I haven't seen studies.
But there are a lot of people who believe, you know...
A lot of rampant speculation from years past.
There's a lot of people who have been fooled by fake documents about stuff.
And that's all fun.
We could do a deep dive into that.
Or we could even do a deep dive into stuff like MUFON.
This is an organization that keeps track of self-reported UFO experiences.
jordan holmes
MUFON?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the...
Multinational UFO Network something.
I don't remember what it stands for.
jordan holmes
I assumed it was Mulan's brother.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Or Mufasa's son.
dan friesen
Mulan, the movie that very traumatized Mike Pence.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, God.
Why do these people happen?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't eat dinner with anybody other than my wife.
Or I don't eat dinner with a woman.
Other than my wife, mother.
dan friesen
Can't be alone.
jordan holmes
What happened to him?
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Like, if he had a radio show, his childhood has to have been the most...
Fucked up thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, so MUFON stands for the Mutual UFO Network.
It's a non-profit investigative body.
I mean, they have maps of where UFOs have been sighted and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
They have fun!
They're a good group!
dan friesen
Yeah, and we could get into all that, but so much of that is apocryphal.
So much of it is basically just, hey, I saw this.
And there's no real evidence of that.
It's as good as people writing down their dreams and putting them online.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Like, okay, this is as credible as anything else.
jordan holmes
Or ghost hunters.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's no fun.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So I've tried to find some more concrete versions of space-based stuff.
jordan holmes
All right.
And we're going straight to Space Command for our first clip, right?
dan friesen
No, Space Command doesn't really come into play because that's a pedestrian title.
That's a title that the people in the know would never call something Space Command.
That's for Alex Jones and his ilk.
There is an organization called Project Camelot, and it is run by a lady named Carrie Callahan, and what she does...
unidentified
Carrie Callahan!
dan friesen
Apparently, she had a very large inheritance, and she started...
An organization where she has Skype interviews with people about their weird experiences.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And she's had a ton of interviews with people who claim that they were personally involved with a lot of really fucked up stuff.
unidentified
Sweet.
dan friesen
So one of the people that we have mentioned in Passing in the Past, a guy by the name of Andrew Basiago, he's done some interviews with Project Camelot.
He is the guy who claims that he, as a child, was in a time travel program.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he went back to, like, the Gettysburg Address.
He's been years in the future, like into 2040.
He's been to that far in the future.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
He went back millions of years in the past.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He was a time traveler.
jordan holmes
He read HGULs one time.
dan friesen
When he was a kid, Barack Obama was in the program with him, and the two of them time traveled together.
jordan holmes
Now I've never been happier.
dan friesen
Andrew Basiago also.
jordan holmes
I choose to believe that.
dan friesen
Sure, of course.
He also ran for president in 2016 and is running in 2020.
So we have that to look forward to.
All right.
He also, as I recall, is a big proponent of...
jordan holmes
What's his name again?
dan friesen
Andrew Basiago.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
No longer does anybody say Bernie would have won.
Now we say Basiago would have won.
dan friesen
We could have had Basiago.
jordan holmes
We could have had Basiago.
He's a time traveler.
We had one time traveler.
Why didn't we go for two?
dan friesen
Also, I would argue if he's a time traveler and he's been to 2040, he would know he would lose that race.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
It seems like...
jordan holmes
Well, but maybe he knows that he's going to win the 2020 race, and he just had to get his profile out there in 2016.
dan friesen
Which clearly he succeeded in, seeing as you have no idea who the fuck he is.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
He also believes in Stargate.
He's big into that.
He also has made reference to the fact that he is half-dolphin, and has...
jordan holmes
Let's use just a grab bag.
He's just throwing it out there.
dan friesen
He has super swimming abilities because of it.
A lot of these Stargates...
unidentified
Is this some email?
jordan holmes
Or are people just asking him leading questions and he just agrees?
Is he just yes-anding every conspiracy theory thrown at him?
dan friesen
Well, you know how Andy Daly creates characters largely as getting in hostile interviews with Scott Ackerman or these people on Comedy Bang Bang?
It ends up creating the robustness of Don DeMello or of August Lint.
I'm guessing that a lot of it...
Is the same methodology, but about creating these, like, yeah, Stargates are mostly found underwater, that's why they had to make me half-dolphin.
jordan holmes
What about chimeras?
Are they real?
I'm a chimera!
You fear me, Alex Jones.
Wait, so if he is a chimera and he has been on Alex Jones' show.
dan friesen
He hasn't been on Alex Jones' show.
jordan holmes
Oh, he hasn't been on the show.
dan friesen
Not to my knowledge.
He's been on Project Cam a lot.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But here's the interesting thing.
We were texting the other day about how mysterious it is that Alex Jones never brings up, like, Louise Mensch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And how she would be an obvious target for him if he was real.
He's mad at anybody who's against Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so she has created this whole cottage industry online of being super against Trump and having secret information.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Seems like Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
Slash making up information.
dan friesen
Right.
I realize in hindsight also, I'd like to apologize.
We haven't been nearly as harsh about her as we should be.
jordan holmes
No, at the very beginning, you and I had this very short conversation where you were like...
dan friesen
And I regret it.
jordan holmes
You know, we could give her...
And I'm sitting there screaming at you.
dan friesen
I regret that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is on me.
I gave...
jordan holmes
I'm not here to say I told you so.
dan friesen
No, and I wasn't saying I believed the things she was saying.
I was saying that she was in a different class of...
Lunatic commentator.
Yeah, lunatic commentator than Alex Jones.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And as time has gone on, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
And I don't think I stand by my comments from the past.
jordan holmes
No, it seems as though they have become mirror images.
dan friesen
Right, and it seems like Alex Jones should be talking about her a bunch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It should be like, look at this crazy broad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He hates women.
He hates people who are against Trump.
It seems perfect.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And the fact that he doesn't makes...
jordan holmes
And it's one thing where he finally gets...
He could tee off on the lies of the left, you know?
dan friesen
Every time something is...
Proven wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He could easily do that.
And the fact that he doesn't is a little mysterious to me.
I'm not sure it means anything.
jordan holmes
Controlled opposition.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
But be that as it may, he also doesn't ever talk about these people.
These Andrew Basiagos.
jordan holmes
The Project Camelots.
dan friesen
Yes.
This whole world of stuff.
And there's also a reason.
It's because they expose how stupid his ideas are.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
Well, no.
jordan holmes
Not directly.
dan friesen
No, by their...
By their words.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They expose that the things he's talking about are horseshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like Andrew Basiago saying he's a half-dolphin warrior, it would make lunacy of Alex Jones's, there's half...
Fish people walking around.
It's like, hey, if there are half fish people walking around, you're talking about it.
jordan holmes
Why not have one of the fish people on your show?
dan friesen
Right, because if you do, you interview them, and you're like, oh no, this guy's nuts.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
It really showcases that the real-world version of the fake shit that Alex talks about is utter garbage.
jordan holmes
Project Camelot is almost if Alex Jones' 12-dimensional dreams and lies all suddenly became true.
Like, people are LARPing.
What Alex Jones is talking about.
dan friesen
Yes, more or less.
And so Carrie Callahan does this Project Camelot.
She puts out really long YouTube interviews with people.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
And one of the great sort of hallmarks of her interview style is she believes fucking everything.
jordan holmes
Now that's great!
dan friesen
She's like, you know, George Norrie on Coast to Coast AM, he has a philosophy of never make people feel weird.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so whenever people call in with outlandish stories, he's kind of, he never is like, shut up, you're stupid.
Carrie is like far, even farther.
She's like...
Oh, totally.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
You say crazy shit and she's like, oh yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
See, now that seems more intellectually honest to me than a Fox News interview where they pretend to push back.
No, totally.
Yeah, fuck yeah.
Believe it all.
I don't give a shit.
dan friesen
That sounds fun.
I don't have any reason to suspect that she doesn't believe the things she's saying.
So I kind of agree with you.
jordan holmes
So she's a professional believer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, what she's paid to do is just believe everything everybody says all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, more or less.
And I don't know if she's getting paid all that much, quite frankly.
Although, the thing is, her videos often have as many views as Alex Jones' videos online.
jordan holmes
And she hasn't lost her ad roll, either.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
She could be making bank.
dan friesen
Everybody had a real serious cut in YouTube ad revenues.
Because they're switching over to that YouTube TV format, they're shifting into a lot of fringe stuff and political stuff is getting cut in terms of their ad revenue.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
It's across the board.
Alex Jones can claim they're trying to censor libertarians, but at the same time, the majority report and secular talk, those two channels have also had massive cuts.
Uh huh.
So, you know, who cares?
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Carrie Callahan, Project Camelot have done some very interesting interviews over the years and one of them we're going to be discussing today.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
But before we do, I'd like to read a little bit of her perspective from an interview she did with Sneaky Mag, which is a sneaky magazine.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Alright, let's hear about Sneaky Bag.
dan friesen
This will give you a good sense of...
I think this is a good precursor for the interview we're going to be listening to.
I'll start with the interviewer.
So, what do you think aliens have such an interest in Earth?
So, why do you think they have such an interest in Earth?
What's so good or special about us?
Her answer.
There are many things on Earth they find quite desirable, and I have a good number of whistleblowers who have given me information to that effect.
My whistleblowers are predominantly ex-military, some of whom are still working for the secret government and who have spoken to me off the record.
The aliens are very interested in our gold, for example.
Our gold?
unidentified
Our gold?
dan friesen
Yes, I'm told that gold on Earth is relatively easy to access when compared to getting it off an asteroid, which obviously would have issues when it comes to mining for gold.
unidentified
And I think that's a good question.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
You also mentioned aliens wanting to do business and form alliances with us.
Yes.
Earth is also a very pleasurable place to do business.
There's also a reason to use Earth as a jumping-off point to explore the rest of the solar system and the galaxy.
Also, apparently human females are considered to be very useful for breeding and genetic experimentation.
The extraterrestrials also come here for food.
Certain reptilian races consider us a food source.
And then there are those that simply want to do commerce with us and utilize us as allies.
We're very good at building things, and we also send troops to conflicts around the universe.
Now this is important.
Human soldiers are being sent to interstellar conflicts?
Her answer.
Soldiers who are alleged to be going to Iraq or Afghanistan are actually being sent off planet to places like Mars to fight battles alongside other alien races.
Those men and women will have their minds wiped when they come back.
This is why we're having so many suicides with ex-soldiers.
In some cases, their minds have been wiped so many times they become unbalanced as a result.
When they return, they don't know where they've been, they think they've been to the So that's a good primer.
jordan holmes
I love this woman.
I have never been in love quite like this before.
So what are your thoughts?
Man.
Oh, man.
Ex-military.
Some still work for the secret government.
We're off to a great start.
First sentence.
Secret government.
I'm way in.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
I'm way in.
Gold is easy enough to find on Earth, which is...
I mean...
dan friesen
Seems not true.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is there a lot of gold other places?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, well, here we go.
Okay.
So gold is really only manufactured in the center of super hot stars.
So when they explode, that's why Earth has so many different precious metals on us because of fusion and stars exploding and that shit, right?
Something along those lines.
dan friesen
As I understand.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
It would seem that planets would probably be easier to get gold from than asteroids.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would assume so.
jordan holmes
Is gold on asteroids?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think there are trace minerals on some asteroids, but I have no idea about gold specifically.
jordan holmes
Alrighty, so that one checks out.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm going to say that one's true.
dan friesen
But do you understand why they want our gold?
jordan holmes
That's not important.
Why do you feel like that's important?
There are so many uses for gold.
unidentified
Good point.
jordan holmes
What if they need to...
Fix their iPhones!
Computer chips, it's a conductor.
We're all good there.
dan friesen
Quite frankly, asked and answered.
jordan holmes
They have interstellar travel.
unidentified
Yeah.
But they still haven't figured out to get gold.
dan friesen
We need the gold for wiring and shit.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Earth is a very pleasurable place.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
That, I disagree with entirely.
dan friesen
Well, it would be a pretty pleasurable place if you could leave.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's true.
dan friesen
Like, if you had the option of leaving the planet, it'd be nice to be here for a while.
It's like vacationing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, no, there are plenty of good places to vacation.
dan friesen
I'd love to go to Cabo, but I wouldn't want to live there.
jordan holmes
Nah, no, no, no.
dan friesen
I imagine Earth on a grander scale is basically that.
jordan holmes
All right, well, now you've convinced me.
We're two for three.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Secret government is still out.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Could be.
Might not be.
dan friesen
Jury.
jordan holmes
Not sure.
dan friesen
Jury is still in chambers.
jordan holmes
Not disprovable.
All right.
Women?
Probably better for genetic experiments in breeding than men are.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, if those are what she's saying.
jordan holmes
That's the binary.
dan friesen
I would say that I don't, since I have no experience with alien races, I'm not sure how much genetic experimentation on us would be relevant to them, seeing as we're completely different species.
jordan holmes
Well, how much, then why do we do genetic experimentation on other species on our planet?
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
Also, there's curiosity.
So if we're just going to go by curiosity, that's still a worthwhile endeavor.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
Now we're getting into Lovecraftian stuff.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So now we're three for three.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Secret government's still out.
Eating people, the reptilians want to eat people.
This one, maybe, maybe not.
I don't know.
I've never eaten a person.
dan friesen
What about Komodo dragons?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They eat people.
jordan holmes
Do they eat people?
dan friesen
They can.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm sure they're...
jordan holmes
But I think everybody can eat people.
dan friesen
Well, growing up...
jordan holmes
If you try hard enough.
dan friesen
Growing up in Hawaii, there was always sort of a slight fear of the Komodo dragon, even though I don't think it's native to Hawaii.
But we had a lot more lizards around, and the idea of a giant lizard that can eat humans was always kind of a little bit scary.
jordan holmes
That is a scary one.
Sure.
They're poisonous, aren't they?
unidentified
They're venomous.
jordan holmes
That's their big deal.
dan friesen
But I also think that when you're talking about the reptilians eating humans, it's not just eating our flesh.
It's also like harvesting emotions and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, I did not know that one.
dan friesen
Yeah, in these communities, there is a lot of feelings of like, the world is so negative because you have to create negative energy that these...
Demonic beings can feast off of them.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we're back to adrenochrome then.
dan friesen
Yeah, basically.
unidentified
Basically.
jordan holmes
All right.
Now, I have not heard that theory before.
dan friesen
Which one?
jordan holmes
That the reason that soldiers are committing suicide is because they've traveled the universe and had their minds wiped.
dan friesen
And got men in blacked.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But I do find that both offensive.
Yeah.
Insofar as that completely trivializes their, you know, destructive post-traumatic stress disorder.
dan friesen
You're basically trying to say, first of all, she's trying to say that there is no war in the Middle East going on.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
And all those hundreds of thousands and millions of people who have died as a result of it.
dan friesen
Fake news.
jordan holmes
Fake news.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So that is offensive.
dan friesen
And the idea of seeing people die wouldn't cause...
PTSD.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's just like, oh no, it must be something more than that.
Obviously, it's mind wipes done after you've gone and been a space soldier.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
dan friesen
Now, that said- Which is so stupid.
jordan holmes
It is offensive.
It's terrible.
That said, I want to live in that world.
That's the world I want to live in.
This world sucks.
Give me the world where universe-traveling soldiers- Are mind-wiped.
dan friesen
But that's why people gravitate towards stuff like this, is because it is a much more pleasant world.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
In the sense that it's fantastical and wild.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So today...
jordan holmes
Anything can happen.
dan friesen
Are you done with your breakdown?
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
Okay.
So today, Jordan, we're going to be going over...
jordan holmes
So what I'm saying is she's four for five with a...
No, four for six with a jury still out on the secret government.
dan friesen
Yes.
So today, we're going to be looking at an interview that she did.
With a gentleman by the name of Randy Kramer.
All right.
Randy Kramer, to give you a little bit of just a syllabus of what we're about to hear.
He is, according to himself, a super soldier.
And maybe I'll just let it play out.
I want you to be surprised by the things he says.
jordan holmes
Are we talking Kurt Russell super soldier or Dolph Lundgren super soldier?
dan friesen
I don't even know where to draw the line.
I'll let him sort of tell his story.
I don't want to put words in his mouth.
And so, like I said, this is not necessarily the beginnings of the idea that there are...
Colonies on Mars and stuff like that.
Bases on Mars.
jordan holmes
I mean, those have probably been around since, you know, the Greeks or whatever.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
jordan holmes
The ancient Greeks, not, no.
dan friesen
Well, we're actually- Not yesterday.
We're going to get to them in a minute.
jordan holmes
Fuck yes.
unidentified
They come up.
jordan holmes
Of course they do.
dan friesen
But the, like I said, this isn't the beginning of the ideas of the Mars bases and Mars colonies.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But when you look into it and the stuff that's being spewed online, there is- Very little in terms of people who have come out and said that they were involved in those things.
And therefore, I think it's worthwhile to take a peek at it.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
So I will let this thing start with Carrie Callahan, host of...
Project Camelot, giving the introduction and giving some of Randy's credits.
kerry cassidy
Captain Randy Kramer is a U.S. Marine and super soldier who served for 17 years on Mars, defending the Mars colonies.
He got his start in Project Moonshadow and was assigned to the Mars Defense Force from a covert...
jordan holmes
Dan, you've made me so happy.
kerry cassidy
You've made me so happy.
jordan holmes
He's the happiest I've ever been.
dan friesen
I'm really glad that that's your reaction.
jordan holmes
Why are we even doing a regular show?
Fuck that.
Now it is all about Carrie Callahan.
Knowledge fight?
No thank you.
That's hard and mean.
dan friesen
Yeah, I did tell you before the show that this could indicate a new direction that we could take the show in.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck yeah.
dan friesen
And we just might.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
If you guys enjoy this episode, please do let us know, because I am more than willing to do more episodes about these whistleblowers and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
So what you can take away...
The story from that is that this guy, Randy, he has been on Mars for 17 years.
He is a super soldier, which at this point we still don't really know exactly what that means.
He will explain.
jordan holmes
U.S. Marine.
dan friesen
Sure, but I'm going to speculate that he's not.
jordan holmes
Did you look it up?
dan friesen
I can't find any evidence that he is, but once his story is fleshed out, I'll explain why I'm not convinced he's actually a Marine.
jordan holmes
Is it the Mars thing?
It's the Mars thing, isn't it?
I feel like you're not giving him the benefit of the doubt.
dan friesen
The Mars thing, I will be honest, is a piece of it.
But based on his timeline and stuff like that, I have reasons to be very skeptical.
But at the same time, if he was, I don't want to take anything away from his service, and I appreciate it, even if he is a little bit nutty.
jordan holmes
And even if it was on Mars.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Also three years.
jordan holmes
I think I would appreciate that far more, because it's a long drive to Mars.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Especially if he's been there 17 years, which means that was 2000.
We probably could have gotten to Mars in what?
dan friesen
Oh no, this didn't...
He left Earth in like 1983, something like that.
jordan holmes
So let's take a look.
In 1983, how long do you think it would have taken to get to Mars?
dan friesen
Infinite time.
jordan holmes
A few years, at least, right?
Four or five years?
dan friesen
More than that, I think.
jordan holmes
Maybe more.
So he's...
Roughly, he is a super soldier because he's 75 years old.
dan friesen
Well, we're gonna get to that.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I promise you all of these...
jordan holmes
Like, relativity is involved?
He has to be...
dan friesen
I promise you all...
jordan holmes
His personal time is so much longer than everybody else.
dan friesen
I promise you all of these concerns will be addressed poorly.
jordan holmes
Okay!
Wonderful.
dan friesen
So, like I said, I'm not entirely sure what the super soldier stuff is at this point.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But Randy comes in and...
jordan holmes
I'm hoping for serum.
dan friesen
Well, let's see.
randy cramer
So, I...
Without diverging too much, which I did a little bit there, in the 1960s, pretty much became the priority technology was super soldier program technology.
We were really developing the genetic alteration technology and the ability to really, from the ground up, build super soldiers.
Because before that, what we really had was nothing but trauma-based mind control super soldier technology.
dan friesen
MKUltra.
randy cramer
Really primitive, really damaging to the subject.
And causes the subject to have a really short lifespan.
So if you want to guarantee that you have a subject that can get a job done for you, you know, at the hand of a very, very large stick, it'll happen, but you're not going to get it for very long.
And it's going to burn itself out or self-destruct or become completely mentally unstable or something.
jordan holmes
Checks out.
randy cramer
So, United States Marine Corps Special Section, being the organization that it was, or is, and...
Being beholden to the O's and the special code that it is, it really was doing plenty of tests and assessments about this technology and was assessing that much of this trauma-based mind control was not working well.
And so they essentially did a study that said...
Hey everybody, we've done a study and we think that your methodology of trying to create super soldiers is bad and we have a better methodology that we'd like to try and we'd like to suggest and we think you all should consider why this is a better way of doing things than what you're doing because we think what we call going with the brain training versus this against the brain training that you're doing will not only...
Create a better subject, super soldier subject, but they'll last longer, they won't go crazy if it works right, and they'll actually want to do their job because you won't beat them and rape them every day.
jordan holmes
Wow, that took a harsh turn right there at the end.
That was very fast.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
So they're talking about MKUltra.
The MKUltra didn't do a great job of creating super soldiers.
dan friesen
Certainly didn't.
jordan holmes
Did a great job of giving us One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Sometimes a great notion.
The electric Kool-Aid acid test.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Very good stuff.
dan friesen
Overall.
Yeah.
Take the Unabomber out of there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, take the Unabomber out of there.
dan friesen
Except his writing.
jordan holmes
Got great literature.
dan friesen
His writing's great.
jordan holmes
You got on the road.
That's what MKUltra really did.
dan friesen
Created great artists.
jordan holmes
It created great writers.
dan friesen
Yeah, but at the same time...
jordan holmes
John Holmes is go.
You got the whole thing.
dan friesen
Without doing too deep a dive into MKUltra, it is a program that did exist in the 50s.
jordan holmes
They fed people LSD.
dan friesen
Well, that was one part of it.
there were also weird psychological tests that were done on people in terms of abusing them or withholding things and seeing what would happen.
Right.
Right.
jordan holmes
Which was the hallmark of science in the 60s.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Hey, fuck it!
I don't know what's going to happen!
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Rules and ethics?
Nah!
dan friesen
It's a horrible thing, and it has come out.
There is evidence of that, but there's no evidence that it continued past its end date, as it were, which is, you know...
jordan holmes
That's what the secret government wants you to think!
dan friesen
Exactly.
Secret government!
jordan holmes
Secret government!
dan friesen
Deep state!
jordan holmes
Damn you!
dan friesen
So, this all started with Eisenhower, apparently, as Randy Kramer tells it.
He explains that, basically, they needed super soldiers, and they were working with space programs and what have you, and that's what Eisenhower was really talking about in his exit speech.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He was actually talking about this whole program.
And off-planetary stuff.
jordan holmes
Also, Eisenhower was the first super soldier.
And that's what he was talking about when he used the slogan, be like Ike.
dan friesen
Right.
Be a super soldier.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But in this clip, we have Randy going on and on and talking about how, hey, there was an old way and it was bad and they wanted to go a new way.
Still not really even explaining what they did.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's not explaining the program at all.
jordan holmes
Genetic alteration building him from the ground up.
dan friesen
Well, here we go.
He does talk a little bit about that, but still not all that specific.
randy cramer
In the late 1960s, Project Moonshadow was formed, and by late 1969, my DNA was being concocted in a petri dish somewhere, and then when I was born in the middle of 1970, I was genetically engineered from the ground up at that point to be a super soldier.
fighting machine and was implanted back into my mother's womb and came out nine months later and raised as normally as my parents could figure that everything was happening.
unidentified
They had no knowledge or anything weird was happening.
randy cramer
They had a pretty strong religious background, so any of the sort of more weird metaphysical things that were occurring, they could certainly just sort of write off as being a...
Demonic attack on the household or something that was much more spiritually answerable to their religious system.
dan friesen
So what we can take from that is his parents were crazy.
Which would lead to a higher incidence of the kid being a little nutty.
So he was genetically created.
In a test tube in a lab.
jordan holmes
Implanted back into his mother's womb, which I'm a big fan of.
dan friesen
Right.
And then born and raised as normally as possible.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is why we need to stop Planned Parenthood.
I'm sure they would have aborted him.
dan friesen
Sure.
Get him on an interview there with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So he goes on.
randy cramer
As opposed to being something maybe more material and extraterrestrial technological.
But they were certainly there when, you know...
Strange bruises and strange burns and things were appearing, you know, in the middle of the night.
I would wake up and be, where did this come from?
So they're getting old and they don't remember a lot of that stuff when we talk about it.
But, you know, there's certainly conversations that we've had.
They certainly recall strange things were going on.
They kind of live in their own universe as well in some way.
They weren't really sure what was happening.
I recently briefed them and they actually took it very well.
jordan holmes
Of course they did!
dan friesen
They took it well.
unidentified
They smiled at you and were like, oh, alright.
dan friesen
You're too old for us to put you in therapy.
jordan holmes
I don't know what to do with this one.
dan friesen
Can't 5150 you on this.
jordan holmes
I'm sure after that briefing, they turned and looked at each other like...
Maybe we need to dial it back a little bit.
Maybe this is partly our fault.
dan friesen
I shouldn't have smoked while I was pregnant.
jordan holmes
I shouldn't have used God while I was pregnant.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, a lot of those things, too, like mysterious bruises and stuff like that.
You know, you speculated sleepwalking.
That's entirely possible.
There's also possibilities of, like, usually when there are bruises and stuff mysteriously on children, it's an indication of abuse.
jordan holmes
Stigmata.
dan friesen
Yeah, there could be things that he's blocking out from his childhood.
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Especially if his...
Parents were super religious.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
That definitely gives you that pause there.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that is the case, but it is entirely possible.
And when you bring up stuff like that, like mysterious bruises.
jordan holmes
It's at the very least more likely than ghosts and super soldier serum.
dan friesen
Or genetic engineering.
I don't know how his genetic engineering to be a super soldier would cause mysterious bruises.
jordan holmes
I mean, it was an experimental program.
dan friesen
Like, he's sparring?
He's sparring when he's five?
jordan holmes
No, like, his body is rebuilding itself around these genetic alterations, and sometimes the veins and the arteries will pop or burst as he's growing, and so that's where a bruise would come from.
dan friesen
That's an interesting theory.
jordan holmes
A subdermal hematoma, my friend.
dan friesen
That's an interesting theory, and I'll allow it.
jordan holmes
Because why the fuck not?
We're in uncharted territory, my friend.
dan friesen
We have a ton to get through.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
A ton of crazy that is going to blow your mind.
So this is not where I'm going to plant my flag.
So the issue was, before, they had this MKUltra and this abuse-based way of making super soldiers.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the problem that you would come to is that these super soldiers you'd create had no morality.
jordan holmes
And they'd burn out.
dan friesen
Right.
They'd die real young.
And they were sort of robots.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They weren't a robust super soldier that you would need.
And so in this next clip, Randy goes on to explain how he is a version of a more moral super soldier.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
randy cramer
Basically, I was trained from my adolescence up to my teenage years, the age of 17, as a super soldier in Project Moonshadow, which, again, was a different kind of program.
The goal was not to just beat us hard and make us become murder machines, but to try and train us to be actual thinking, feeling, moral super soldiers that would make moral and ethical decisions that would be for the good of the people and for the good of the planet around them.
Our command kind of based on this historical notion.
They really took the classic Greco-Roman heroic model and said, look, if we really want to create people like this, if we want to make an Achilles, if we want to make a Hercules, if we want to make an Atlas or an Ajax...
They're not just murder machines.
These are moral, ethical heroes who did what they did because they believed in a better purpose.
They believed in a better thing.
They were not just bigger, stronger, faster, smarter monsters.
unidentified
They were bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, stronger, better heroes.
randy cramer
Because they believed in self-sacrifice.
They believed in not just kicking back and being fat with a bunch of cows and a bunch of wives, but, you know, they were out, you know, fighting the dragons and the monsters of the world to protect people.
dan friesen
No real dragons, but...
jordan holmes
Heard enough, Dan!
President this man!
dan friesen
No, that's Andrew Baziago.
jordan holmes
Oh, fine.
No, no, no!
I don't care now.
Now I'm on this dude's tail.
dan friesen
We need a ticket of the two of them.
jordan holmes
I want this dude...
How much better a president would this dude be?
dan friesen
Probably better than Trump.
jordan holmes
It'd be insanely better!
dan friesen
So, the other thing, though, too, you're right, he needs to re-examine his Greek history.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he does not know what...
dan friesen
Because Atlas, first of all, was a titan.
He wasn't a human.
jordan holmes
No, and he definitely wasn't a hero.
dan friesen
No, he's holding the world on his shoulders.
That's who Atlas is.
jordan holmes
As a punishment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he was bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or at the very least, well, I mean, he wasn't really morally bad.
He just got his ass kicked by Zeus.
dan friesen
It's hard for us to really grapple with the morality of gods.
But be that as it may, Ajax, sure, he was a warrior.
If you want to talk about Achilles...
He is wrathful.
That's his primary characterization.
And the only reason that there's a story in the Iliad is because Achilles gets pissed off that his general comes over and is like, hey, I'm gonna take your war bounty, which was women.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
His woman got stolen.
His plunder got stolen.
He's like, fuck it, I'm not fighting then.
unidentified
That's the whole beginning tension of...
dan friesen
The Iliad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hero.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not like he was fighting for some noble purpose.
jordan holmes
It was because he believed in stuff.
dan friesen
In the Trojan War, he wasn't fighting for a noble purpose.
jordan holmes
He believed in personal property.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
He believed in the Second Amendment.
dan friesen
He believed in personal property in the sense that a person was his property.
Yes, absolutely.
So, yeah, his examples there are pretty flawed in terms of what a moral super soldier would be.
jordan holmes
And Hercules wasn't so much a hero as a...
Unwitting toy plaything of the gods.
dan friesen
But he was also a demigod.
He was also half-God.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But he had to murder his wife, and he had to do this whole thing.
dan friesen
He had to fight the Gorgon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he had to do the 12 tasks.
dan friesen
He had to clean up a shed.
jordan holmes
It was a big shed, too.
Now, that is a moral superhero, I will admit.
If you can clean up that shed, you're good.
dan friesen
So I think we've pretty well established what makes him a super soldier at this point.
jordan holmes
Imagination.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he doesn't really get too much deeper into the essence of the program that made him a super soldier, other than to say in that last clip he was training, which, I mean...
jordan holmes
Adolescence and on.
dan friesen
I was sparring with trees.
I was doing some imaginary training, too.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So maybe I'm a super soldier, too, and I just don't know it.
jordan holmes
Entirely possible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where do you think you got that thing on your face, huh?
dan friesen
What, the cross-eye?
jordan holmes
No, the surgery you need.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a side effect from your super soldier serum.
dan friesen
Maybe it's a homing beacon that I'm going to be cutting out of myself.
Now the super secret soldier program won't be able to find me anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, did your doctor suddenly and mis...
Mysteriously changed.
Did they refer you out after the initial diagnosis?
dan friesen
He did.
Oh, no.
unidentified
Secret government.
dan friesen
So, since this is going to happen to me in the near future, I'm glad that we have Randy Kramer here to explain what happened when he entered the program.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
randy cramer
So, they took 300 of us and ran us through the program, and then when, I guess, sort of graduated at about age 17, and then we're in Project Moonshadow, essentially.
As only one of many Super Soldier programs, not just in America, but around the world, that contribute to these larger programs, then...
Parcel soldiers out of those programs to something called Project Mannequin.
Project Mannequin is a larger global program which takes all these super soldier programs from everybody else and then assigns them either back to military programs on the ground where super soldiers are either trained or used or then onward to the outer programs to the EDF.
Anything that is off world out of the off planet is definitely EDF territory.
So you either kind of get parceled back into a terrestrial unit or you get sent off-world.
And then once you get sent parceled to the EDF block, the EDF then parcels out its soldiers to Radiant Guardian and to the other solar stations and any of the other planetary bases.
jordan holmes
Dude, get a writing staff!
Radiant Guardian?
Come on!
That's terrible!
dan friesen
That's one of the names of the programs.
But also EDF, he keeps saying, is the Earth Defense Fund or whatever, Foundation.
Right.
unidentified
Force.
dan friesen
Earth Defense Force.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's the F. So hold on.
dan friesen
Here we go.
randy cramer
I'm not privy to every planetary moon base that they have, but they parceled them to all of those.
And some to Mars.
And like Mars, the Mars Colony Corporation is what runs the Mars Colony Corporation to make contracts with MDF, which is its own private military contracting agency.
dan friesen
It's like Blackwater.
randy cramer
Nobody in the MDF is not from the EDF, but again, like I said, the EDF, because of this whole paperwork thing, is no longer in charge of everybody at the MCC or the MDF.
jordan holmes
Because of paperwork!
Bureaucracy is a huge issue here.
Like, hey, we live in this magical world where you can go to...
But that makes me buy it far more.
Like, the fact that he's gone that deep into the bureaucracy of it is like, oh, man, they're on my ass to fill out this paperwork all the time so I don't get to go to Mars.
dan friesen
I'll say that it doesn't help convince me.
It makes me think that maybe he's had a shitty job in his life.
That makes me think that maybe he's had to fill out paperwork before.
But I like that all the people in the Moon Defense Force are part of the Earth Defense Force, of course.
But not all members of the Earth Defense Force are members of the Moon Defense Force.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, this is just normal.
This is behavior.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So you might be asking yourself, you know, he comes in at 17. What happened?
Like, what was the actual moment like?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
He graduated with a class of 300 after defeating the Persians, of course.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And then what goes down?
kerry cassidy
Here's what happened at 17. Okay, but you shipped out from Earth at the age of 17. Is that right?
randy cramer
Correct.
That is correct.
So on November the 17th, 1987, or actually in the morning of, so it would have been November the 18th, 1987, at 2.30 a.m. as pretty par for the course for an evening of training.
A localized wormhole appears.
Two guys come out, and they're like, "Okay, it's time to go," and I'm like, "Okay, let's go." But we didn't just go do a training session.
It was off to an underground base to a hangar with an Aurora TRB-3, a big black triangular vehicle.
I think they're actually manufactured by Boeing, and they're sold out to the Air Force and whoever else uses them.
And they're still kind of a standard terrestrial shuttle vehicle.
They're not the most advanced thing at all, but they do the job, and you don't necessarily want to give way more advanced technology to people if they catch one or get one or take one apart or something.
jordan holmes
No, I'm good with that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's actually pretty good strategic thinking right there.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
So, I want to take this moment to say that his story has changed substantially over interviews that he's done in the past.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
A lot of this stuff did not appear in early interviews that he did about his experience.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, he's refining.
Yeah, absolutely.
He's remembering more and more.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's all coming back to him.
dan friesen
Yeah, he does sessions where he recovers blocks of his memory and stuff like that.
And so that explains why a lot of the story shifts and changes.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But it also explains why he has gotten to this point where a lot of this is blasé.
A lot of this is like, you know, the Earth Defense.
There's a lot of paperwork.
jordan holmes
He does sound very over it.
dan friesen
Well, yeah.
He's like, after a night of training, localized wormhole opened up.
jordan holmes
Boring!
dan friesen
It happens.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Were you given warning or was it just like a hole in space just opened up and two dudes walked out and were like, hey, come on, get in here.
dan friesen
And then I'm like, all right.
jordan holmes
Get in here.
dan friesen
So he goes through this wormhole.
jordan holmes
Localized wormhole is also what they called the bus.
dan friesen
And my butt.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So they come through this wormhole.
They grab him up.
They put him in a spaceship.
Why would you put him in a spaceship?
jordan holmes
You've got a fucking wormhole.
dan friesen
Localized wormhole.
Absolutely, but you don't want to be fucking opening up these crazy long wormhole tunnels.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
That's, again, airtight.
Airtight logic.
You're right.
You're right.
They could be unstable.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, when you're going off-planet, you want to go with the safest route, and you've already got these inner...
dan friesen
These Boeing ships.
unidentified
Yeah, these Boeing from 1987.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
So, you might ask, what happens after that?
I mean, is there anything boring about your experience?
Maybe.
randy cramer
Where we then went through a processing process and sat down in front of a junior officer, an EDF officer, and explained, here's this big contract.
You're going away for a 20-year tour.
You don't know where you're going to go yet.
I can't tell you that.
We don't know.
jordan holmes
They made you sign a contract?
randy cramer
This is what's going to happen.
Then we'll bring you back.
We'll erase your memories for security reasons.
You don't remember all that crazy stuff anyway.
Then we'll send you back.
you'll have a really cool job and not to lie but you know they give this kind of song and dance like recruiters do and then after your initial initial sign I love that there's another medical exam, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's another medical exam.
dan friesen
But see, this is airtight logic.
He goes in, he signs this 20-year contract, and part of the contract is, at the end of it, we're going to wipe your memory.
You don't want to remember that stuff anyway.
jordan holmes
Which they waved off so bad.
Eh, you're not gonna want to remember that.
dan friesen
We'll get you a good job.
They're not lying to you.
jordan holmes
Fucking secret government always lying about you.
Why would they make you sign a contract?
Like, they would even acknowledge your existence anyways.
You were genetically engineered in a lab to become a super soldier.
It's not like you're gonna sue.
dan friesen
You need that paperwork on file.
Also, if you're going to be a super soldier on Mars...
And, like, you haven't signed a contract and you want out?
How?
How are you going to get out?
You can't just...
jordan holmes
Well, I assume they've trained you on localized wormholes at that point, right?
dan friesen
Localized!
You can go to another part of Mars.
jordan holmes
Look, if you're talking about a wormhole...
Everything is localized.
That's the whole idea behind wormholes, is that space and time are one point.
And that you can combine them across the universe at any point in time.
dan friesen
Very, very silly words coming out of your mouth right now.
You have no idea how stupid you sound.
I'm just saying that- Our listeners are like, wow, I thought I respected Jordan.
That was dumb.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a full- That's what you're doing with a wormhole.
You're taking one part and you're just folding space and time together because there's no real distance between the two of them since they're the same thing.
So how do you even think a localized wormhole is any different from an interstellar wormhole?
dan friesen
And that's the magic of wormholes is it allows immediate travel to places, theoretically.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Now you might be surprised to learn that wormholes are in play.
But at the same time, Randy tells us in this next clip that it takes 15 minutes to get from the moon to Mars.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
Now I don't even want to be a part of this shit!
dan friesen
It takes 15 minutes!
jordan holmes
What, is there traffic?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess so.
So I think I cut out the part where he talks about this, but they go to...
jordan holmes
If we're talking about an Einstein-Rosen bridge...
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Alright.
There is zero time, and also you would be spaghettified along the way.
dan friesen
So he goes to a moon base.
I'm guessing that's where they did this processing.
And then from there, they enter an eight-story tall spaceship that has wings, but he doesn't know why there are wings.
There are wings.
unidentified
It's just like they evolved.
jordan holmes
They're fucking residual wings.
dan friesen
Also, eight stories tall is a massive...
jordan holmes
It's a very big one.
dan friesen
Aerodynamically, that would be difficult to get off the ground.
But he gets on this ship, and they go...
jordan holmes
Not in space.
In space, it's easy to get off the ground.
dan friesen
Even from the moon, that would be difficult.
jordan holmes
Nah, that'd be fine.
dan friesen
Who cares?
unidentified
Anyway...
jordan holmes
I do.
I do more than I've ever cared about anything else in my life.
unidentified
If we need to nitpick, save your energy.
dan friesen
So they go in this eight-story-tall ship from the moon, and they go past...
They do a buzz-by, buzz-fly-by of Earth.
And from the ceiling, you can see the Earth, and you can see electrical storms, and Randy is filled with this sense that the Earth is alive, and it's this nice last view of Earth before they shoot off from Mars.
And here is him talking about the beginning of his service and the trip to Mars.
jordan holmes
I'm assuming that eventually we'll get into why he still has his memory, right?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe?
Literally, maybe.
jordan holmes
Because his memory should have been erased if we're going by this 20-year contract.
dan friesen
I've listened to all of this.
jordan holmes
Was there like a technicality or something?
Because paperwork is so important, did somebody forget to check the memory erase box?
dan friesen
There's a clause in his contract.
jordan holmes
The secret government was in breach of contract, so they had to let him go.
dan friesen
I can answer that question, but I have to do it later.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm assuming you're not going to answer it now.
I just want to know if there's any possible answer in the future.
dan friesen
I mean, look, there's ostensibly an answer.
I can't tell you that there's an answer that's good.
jordan holmes
Look.
We're an Alex Jones-based podcast.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're engaging on their level, not on ours.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
So don't say ostensibly once in this entire podcast.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Also, I like them way more than I like Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, I'm so happy with this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here we go.
This is about the trip to Mars and the beginning of his time there.
Also, dovetails nicely into some theories.
About time travel.
kerry cassidy
And you traveled this and how much time was passing during this time?
randy cramer
I mean, it was a matter of minutes, it seemed like.
mean maybe it was a 15-20 minute you know ride from the moon to the back to sort of looking at earth and then once we left earth it was maybe a 15-20 minute ride to mars because then we we went via wormhole.
So then the vehicle, however the wormholes are manifested, went through one and then we came out of Mars and then he says, welcome to Mars, we've arrived at our location, then brought us down to the ground and landed at Aries Primas.
kerry cassidy
Okay.
Okay.
And then this was your base for, if I recall, is that 17 years or is that, because I know you had three years, what appeared to be some kind of, I think it might have been Solar Warden, correct me if I'm wrong, we call it Solar Warden.
I'm not sure what you call it.
randy cramer
It was Radiant Guardian when I was a part of that program, but it's changed a number of times, and it's been something similar to that.
kerry cassidy
In essence, it became a pilot, though, for three years, right?
randy cramer
About whatever was the remainder of my 20-year tour, however that works out exactly.
It was 17 years, three months, 14 days-ish.
14, 15 days, depending on how you want to count, I guess.
And then the pilot training school, interestingly enough, that was another quantum dilation.
In order to get more time out of us, they were like, we're not going to waste time on your tour with your pilot training, so we're going to take you to this lunar base to do your pilot training, and then we're going to bring you back 15 minutes after you leave so you don't lose any.
kerry cassidy
Okay, so there's time travel, in essence, involved in when you move from one place to another, right?
randy cramer
If they want there to be, yeah.
Essentially, if they want to save time, they can do something out of time so that instead of it taking days, weeks, or months, it takes 5 minutes or 15 minutes.
There are some interesting ways to play with time like that.
I'm not really good at temporal mechanics.
I don't think I'm good at explaining it.
The time guys really understand their business and certainly know how to move things around without crashing the whole central matrix of the universe.
dan friesen
So you understand what he's saying there.
Basically, is that there's time travel involved so they can screw you out of the time that you've been...
Yeah, exactly!
You signed up for 20 years, so maybe you do something that takes like three months and then they time travel you back!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
unidentified
Well, they don't want to screw you out of their time!
jordan holmes
It's a living.
dan friesen
EDF.
Curses.
jordan holmes
Well, if they want there to be.
What?
Why wouldn't they?
Are they joyriding?
Are they fucking with you?
What's happening here?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
If they want there to be time travel.
dan friesen
Who doesn't want there to be?
It's the idea of stop-lossing.
If they want to stop-loss you, they can just time travel you back, and then you're fucked.
jordan holmes
Right, that's true.
dan friesen
It's a very bizarre understanding of time, and I don't...
jordan holmes
Which means it's the correct understanding.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And he seems to be hung up on 15 minutes as a demarcation of time.
Like, if you want to time travel, they can just go back to the exact time.
It doesn't take 15 minutes to time travel.
jordan holmes
Here's my second theory.
Here's my theory on that.
All right?
Because of all the time travel that he's done, the only real amount of time that he can measure in his brain is 15 or 20 minutes.
Like, that's all he's got.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
So if you're talking to him and you're like, hey, it's 11 o 'clock now, and do you want to watch the Cubs game?
That's at 6 o 'clock.
How long do you think it's going to be?
dan friesen
We got 15 minutes.
jordan holmes
We got 15 or 20 minutes, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
jordan holmes
He's got brain damage.
dan friesen
That's as reasonable as any other theory.
jordan holmes
There are side effects to time travel, Dan.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
I've seen Lost.
It's not really time travel, I guess.
Desmond's mind just is displaced.
jordan holmes
Eh, they're all dead.
dan friesen
No.
You're wrong.
Well, I mean, at the end, they are all dead, yes, but fuck you.
This next clip, we've already established that Randy ends up on Mars, and this next clip, we get a little bit of talk about what Mars is like when he shows up.
kerry cassidy
But in essence, you were based then on Mars, and you were there.
Explain to people that are going to be relatively new to the subject what your job was on Mars.
jordan holmes
Right.
randy cramer
Well, essentially it was assigned to the Mars Defense Force, like I said at that point, from the Earth Defense Force, which was a private military company that has contracted to the Mars Colony Corporation, or the MCC, to defend the Mars Colony.
What about the moon defense?
So we essentially were one of many stations who create a buffer zone around the territory where the colonies are located.
jordan holmes
The colonies?
unidentified
Any of the local...
randy cramer
Both hostile animal life and possibly hostile sentient life, you know, out of that territory.
And I can only sort of answer for, you know, what was taking place in our area, which, you know, for some time I sort of presumed was the whole thing happening all over.
But the more information I get from other people, the more I realize, oh, no, I was just up on sort of the northern Arctic front.
So, you know, it's sort of this very specific area with some very specific things that were going on there that were not necessarily what were happening everywhere else.
But there's certainly still interesting crossroads.
What?
What's happening?
Eventually, there will be a lot more people talking about this.
I know a bunch of them, and they're not ready to come forward right now, but I'm talking to these people on a regular basis, and I know people who are talking to people on a regular basis who are all talking about their Mars experiences and their Mars service, and we're all collecting data on that and correlating the data.
dan friesen
The good news is Randy has met some other crazy people.
jordan holmes
I want to go to their meetings.
I want to be on their group texts.
I want to know everything about these people.
dan friesen
You know how accidentally some people end up in a work group text sort of thing and they just have to watch the planning for a lunch happen?
Why can't we accidentally get lumped in with this?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I want a wrong number group text to be like, Hey!
What was your experience like on Mars?
And I'd be like, I'm fucking way in!
dan friesen
Randy, you were way up north, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I was in the Arctic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The local, hostile life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And possibly also, possibly sentient life.
dan friesen
Oh, no, no.
There is no possible about it.
jordan holmes
There was.
There were aliens.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Or, well, indigenous Martians.
As I believe they prefer to be called.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's the correct PC terminology.
Yeah, so he was there, he was on Mars, and he had to protect the colonies.
unidentified
Yeah, colonies.
jordan holmes
Martian colonies.
dan friesen
We find some overlap with Robert David Steele from the Alex Jones show.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Talking about there being bases and colonies on Mars.
He was there as a super soldier, Randy was, and he had to fight off dogs, I guess.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Local wildlife.
dan friesen
Right.
So now this introduces a really interesting problem.
Don't look at me like that.
jordan holmes
No, again, we're engaging on their world, not ours.
What is the one problem that this creates?
dan friesen
He goes on to say that their bases were underground and within a mountain, because of course they were.
jordan holmes
I mean, they would have to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, because otherwise we would see them.
jordan holmes
There are many reasons why they would need to be underground.
dan friesen
There are a lot of people with a lot of telescopes.
We have a rover on Mars now.
This would not be something that we couldn't figure out.
jordan holmes
Right, but if we've already got bases there, then we can definitely send a rover to the spot where we don't have bases.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not like the rover can see the entire planet.
dan friesen
Right, but then the issue that I have is if you have underground bases, where are things coming at you from?
How are you having a war in underground bases?
jordan holmes
Well, that's the thing that they discovered, right?
So they go there to set up the colony.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
They start digging underground because they know that people are going to see them if they don't.
dan friesen
Right.
And they better do it quick, otherwise people are going to see them digging.
unidentified
So fast.
jordan holmes
So fast.
Well, it was the 80s.
Everybody was too busy doing coke.
dan friesen
I think it's pretty well established that this started before the 80s.
unidentified
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
This was Eisenhower shit.
jordan holmes
Okay, this is Eisenhower.
We got the nuclear bomb and then immediately went to Mars colonies.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
The nuclear bomb was a distraction.
jordan holmes
That's when they did it.
It was the fallout of Nagasaki.
We only really needed a drop one.
But Hiroshima, that was the decoy to get us building these Mars colonies.
Everybody's too busy with the tragedies.
dan friesen
Bingo!
jordan holmes
There we go.
Now we're on Mars.
Digging underground to develop our Martian colonies.
But, to their surprise, they're shit.
Living underground.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So they are fighting.
Inch by inch against, I'm going to go with Orson Scott Card style formics.
dan friesen
Are you talking about Morlocks down there?
jordan holmes
Yeah, something along those lines.
dan friesen
But if that's the case, then they already have bases down there, and you're just occupying Morlock bases or whatever.
Is that the case?
jordan holmes
That's what they're doing.
Why do you think they need super soldiers?
If there was nothing going on on Mars, you'd just have a bunch of people there.
He's drinking the...
Marrow of children.
dan friesen
And adrenochrome blood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
And you'd still need super soldiers even if there weren't weird underground battles going on because you'd need people who were able to withstand.
These wormhole jumps and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
People who wouldn't be spaghetti-ized.
jordan holmes
Spaghettified.
dan friesen
Spaghettified.
jordan holmes
Which is a true scientific term that I learned.
dan friesen
So you might be thinking, too, at this point, that this is a little silly.
We know that Mars is inhabitable.
There's no oxygen there.
Human life could not really exist there.
Randy wants you to know that you're a dumb-dumb.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
He wants to tell you the truth about Mars' climate.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kerry cassidy
You're talking about being on the surface of Mars.
Are you talking about the Mars that we see and we think we know in this dimension?
Are you talking about a fourth-dimensional Mars?
randy cramer
Oh, no, I'm absolutely talking about the physical planet of Mars that we know and understand to be right now and which our rover and probe is on right now.
No, we're absolutely talking about the same place.
So, some important things to note about it.
It's not exactly the way NASA tells us.
NASA tells us that it doesn't have a breathable oxygen atmosphere.
That's not true.
It does.
jordan holmes
I love how sarcastic he is right there.
It's not exactly as NASA tells us.
So dismissive.
dan friesen
That's not sarcasm.
That's condescension.
That's just like, you guys are dumb.
You believe NASA.
jordan holmes
They tell you this.
It's not quite like that, but you're close.
dan friesen
Right.
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, so good.
dan friesen
It's a real turn-on.
jordan holmes
So good.
randy cramer
Super breathable in the sense that this is more like thin mountain air for us, so it's really not recommended.
Outside the equatorial regions to try and survive without an environment suit.
The equatorial regions can be a bit warmer and a bit more mild and temperate, so it's not the worst thing in the world, apparently, to just be sort of exposed in street clothing, so to speak.
But you get any of the directions further north or south, and you're going to get way more extreme temperatures and winds and so forth, and you're going to need some protection.
But again, you're going to need some oxygen assistance and some breathing assistance if you're going to do any physical moving or fighting, that's for sure.
So we never went outside without an environment suit, without a powered environment suit with body armor and everything else that we needed all in one package.
kerry cassidy
Okay, but did you have structures that you occupied on the surface, or was it all underground?
randy cramer
We were inside of a mountain and pretty much everything, as I understand, is underground.
I mean, there may be some facilities which operate on the surface or do things on the surface, but really 99% of everything that you want to stay functioning has got to be underground.
It is still susceptible to some pretty intense windstorms.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's fair.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
I just looked it up.
It has to be underground, and I'll tell you why.
Near the poles, temperatures can get down all the way to minus 195 degrees.
dan friesen
That's pretty cold.
jordan holmes
Even on the equator during a summer day, which I don't remember the length of Mars' orbit around Earth.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
But summer's a while.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It can get all the way up to 70 degrees Fahrenheit.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can wear street clothes.
jordan holmes
Which means, yeah, you could be out there.
It's a bit mountain air, so you can still breathe it.
Don't run.
Don't go too far.
dan friesen
Yeah, be careful if you're hiking on the equator of Mars.
jordan holmes
That said, at night, even on the equator, it can get down to minus 73 degrees.
dan friesen
Minus 100.
jordan holmes
Or minus 100 Fahrenheit.
dan friesen
Wild fluctuations in terms of temperature.
jordan holmes
So you've got to build it underground.
That checks out.
I'm on his side now.
dan friesen
Now, let's be clear.
Things are colder underground.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
You can control the environment a little bit better and put in heaters and stuff like that, but if it's negative 195 degrees, because he said he's in the north.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's at the northmost point of their operation.
jordan holmes
He's on the polar northern front.
dan friesen
Right, so that would be where in the winter it's negative 195 degrees.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you go underground, that's going to be way colder.
jordan holmes
Closer to Mars' core, Dan.
dan friesen
The, like, 30 feet underground you are is not going to make a difference.
jordan holmes
No, they break close to the slate.
dan friesen
He said he's in a mountain.
He might not even be underground.
A mountain could be above ground.
jordan holmes
Look, if you're inside a mountain, you're still underground.
I consider mountains ground.
dan friesen
What if it's a volcano?
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good question.
See, now you don't even have to worry about heat.
You use the thermal heat from the volcano.
dan friesen
All volcanoes are mountains.
Not all mountains are volcanoes.
Thank you.
You stare at me and I end things with a thank you.
jordan holmes
Just like in the, you know, all Mars defense people are Earth defense people, but not all Earth defense people are all Mars defense people.
dan friesen
All gentlemen are men, but not all men are gentlemen.
jordan holmes
Dicks, dicks, dicks.
dan friesen
Amen.
So you might be asking yourself, which is something I keep finding myself saying, at this point you might be quizzically thinking, hey.
If all this stuff is going on and there are all these space bases on the moon...
jordan holmes
On the moon, Mars...
dan friesen
Theoretically, everywhere.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's speculated it's probably going on everywhere.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you've got wormholes, fuck it.
You can get anywhere around the world.
dan friesen
Why not?
So why aren't we getting any indication of radio signals from all these?
Because communication must be going on between them.
unidentified
It has to.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's got that covered.
jordan holmes
Unless they're doing everything face-to-face.
dan friesen
No, he's got it covered.
unidentified
Okay.
randy cramer
Oh, get surprised what?
why when we're listening for radio signals, why we don't hear them from everybody is because everybody else who's smart is also muffling their signals so that they're not on the map to everybody in the world.
That just turns out to be a technology.
Like, shh, be quiet.
And so we got there listening, thinking that everyone's being loud and noisy when everyone's being stealthy and quiet.
jordan holmes
So what they do is whisper.
randy cramer
And knowing what they're doing and where they are.
That's just kind of more standard practice than it turns out to be now.
jordan holmes
No, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Sure.
I'll give it to him.
Yeah.
You have sound mufflers, radio signal mufflers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, talk soft.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
How would a radio signal muffler work?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
One that would have to be strong enough to reach Earth from Mars.
dan friesen
And it would have to be selective enough that you could have the signals you do want coming in, coming in.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Otherwise, it would make communication between the bases impossible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, you would have to do it.
dan friesen
But it's a technology that smart people use.
Sorry, go ahead.
jordan holmes
No, that's a good point.
Smarter people than I. Yeah, sure.
I can't argue that.
I don't know enough about radio waves to know whether or not you could hide one successfully from Mars.
dan friesen
We weren't specially created in test tubes and implanted into our parents.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So we don't know all these...
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if you're figuring they've got super soldiers, right?
That means they also must have created a super scientist as well.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
Like, you would have to do that.
Why would you only create super soldiers?
dan friesen
And they're the ones who are lying to us about climate change.
jordan holmes
Of course!
They're too smart!
dan friesen
You know what's fucked up?
This is a three-hour interview that he did, and I don't have all that much.
I kept it mostly to the Mars stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He believes in climate change.
jordan holmes
Well, but that makes perfect sense.
If we're getting off-planet, that means we've seen climate change coming since the Eisenhower years.
We've got to get out of there.
dan friesen
It's never totally clear.
He doesn't really give any real reason that any of this stuff exists, though.
The idea that it is a potential colony to move to or anything like that, he doesn't really speculate.
jordan holmes
Do you know why this stuff exists?
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because why not?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because it's there.
Why do you explore the world, Dan?
Because it's there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I think the reason- Why do you build super soldiers to go to Mars and defend it against perhaps indigenous life?
Because you gotta.
dan friesen
I think the more likely thing is this guy had a little bit of a psychotic break, but he's still super functional.
jordan holmes
It could just be that he's- Super creative?
Having a lot of fun.
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
I mean, why would- Look.
If I could sustain a three-hour interview of made-up bullshit with the most credulous woman in the world.
dan friesen
You could.
jordan holmes
She is...
Listening to her ask these questions is just like a complete like...
Oh yeah, we called it this.
And you called it Radiant Guardian?
Is that what you're saying?
dan friesen
We called it Celestial Defense.
jordan holmes
This is a Solar Warden.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And you're like...
Well, if she believes it.
dan friesen
It goes by a ton of different names.
jordan holmes
I guess that means she's in.
She's all in.
dan friesen
Oh, big time.
I love it.
Big time.
jordan holmes
I love her.
dan friesen
Yeah, so the next clip I have here discusses why you'd need super soldiers to go up there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You've speculated a little bit.
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
I do want to get to the bottom of that.
dan friesen
All right, here we go.
kerry cassidy
Right.
Okay, so when you were deployed on Mars, you were in essence...
Based on your story, which I've listened extensively to, basically encountering, from what I understand, reptilian species and basically what sound like what Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards of the Secret Space Program, who I've interviewed, would say are called trogs.
That's what his experience is with them.
You called them, I think, insectoids.
randy cramer
Insectoids, yeah.
There were certainly an insect-based species that had the ability to engineer other hive insects.
Their way of building machines is genetically engineering another bug or another insect that will do that job.
And so they have this very organic...
It's a very incredibly advanced organic science.
It's really, really advanced organic science.
unidentified
I'll just call it that.
kerry cassidy
So your battle, though, was to, in a sense, there seemed like there was small battles, skirmishes, that you were defending the base that we have, just like here in, you know, if United States and Russia get into an issue, maybe over in Afghanistan, they're having a skirmish there.
So you were fighting over territory.
Is that correct?
randy cramer
Constantly.
And I think it's important to note and point out because I keep hearing people presume what that conflict was about or what we were fighting over and so I'm feeling more and more that I need to be really clear.
about why we were fighting and what we were fighting for.
It was not for a supremacy of the planet.
It was not for a total global war of the planet until the draconians attacked and got involved, Goddammit, Draconians!
about this lengthy war and what the stages were.
But we were having what I would call polite, civilized conflict really with the native reptoids and the native insectoids, I mean, a hard thing to say when you're still like, ah, you know, killing and stabbing and blowing each other up, but it was way more polite and civilized until the Draconians came along and really kind of messed up what was an organic system of territorial boundary keeping that was not meant to overrun somebody else's high or territory,
but simply to maintain that everyone had a certain weakness to them and no one could grow over strong so that everyone could maintain a peaceable territory without anyone actually trying This is the plot of StarCraft.
Word for word.
jordan holmes
This is the plot of StarCraft.
randy cramer
and then overwhelming the other.
So it was a constant back and forth that was meant to maintain and stabilize the territory and the peace arrangement, believe it or not.
I know this may sound very strange to some people as a way of doing things, but...
jordan holmes
Oh, oh, is that the thing that sounds strange?
dan friesen
It might sound strange.
jordan holmes
Look, we were fighting not for supremacy until those fucking reptoids got involved.
dan friesen
The draconians.
jordan holmes
The draconians, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
The reptoids are ostensibly another local population that they're having skirmishes with.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm a big fan of the insectoids on this one.
I want them winning, because if they need a job done, they just genetically engineer another insectoid.
dan friesen
A machine.
jordan holmes
To do that.
And it's an organic machine.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Brilliant.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Brilliant insectoids in this one.
dan friesen
Thrilled for the insectoids.
jordan holmes
I think they're doing a great job.
dan friesen
I don't understand why we can't have an alliance with the insectoids.
jordan holmes
Exactly, right?
dan friesen
Learn some of that technology.
jordan holmes
They seem to be the ones that we should join up with to defeat the draconians.
dan friesen
Bring an insectoid back here.
Create all kinds of technology.
Solve a lot of our problems.
Pollution could be taken care of.
Right.
All sorts of shit.
If only the insectoids.
jordan holmes
Engineer a bug to fix pollution.
dan friesen
So the draconians come in and they're shit kickers.
They just want to fuck everything up.
jordan holmes
That's so draconian of them.
dan friesen
Very much so.
This is very included in the entire mythology of the lizard people.
That sort of stuff, they're often referred to as draconians.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're from Draco.
jordan holmes
Dick Cheney.
dan friesen
Right.
So this dovetails into David Icke a little bit here with the lizard folk.
And you'll be thrilled to know that there was a massive war with the draconians.
jordan holmes
Is it still going?
dan friesen
It's not.
There was peace reached.
unidentified
Oh, good.
dan friesen
They found detente.
jordan holmes
Good.
How did they do that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He just said they found peace?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you can't fight forever.
dan friesen
No, not even on Mars.
jordan holmes
No.
It's a lot like a turf war in Afghanistan between Russia and the United States.
Sooner or later, you're going to get peace.
But I'm telling you this, Dan, just like that, just like that, conflict is right around the corner.
They're going to be fighting again.
dan friesen
I think what he's...
Sort of expressing is a little bit of an idea, and maybe a fanciful idea, about wars between Native American tribes before the white man came.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
There is a little bit of that to what he's saying.
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Now I see where you're going.
It's not for dominance.
It's for...
dan friesen
I don't know enough...
jordan holmes
To protect yours.
dan friesen
I don't know enough about ancient Native American history, but I do think that if you also don't know a lot, you might speculate that...
That was how native warfare went back before.
And then the draconians would be the Europeans coming over and going for supremacy.
jordan holmes
So maybe this is all an allegory.
Maybe he's trying to teach us about ourselves.
dan friesen
If that's the case, huzzah.
But also, I don't know if that's accurate.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
dan friesen
No, but I mean even the lesson.
I'm not sure if that's accurate.
Again, I don't know enough about old-time Native American history.
jordan holmes
You know, they were people.
dan friesen
It feels right to me, that lesson.
But I don't know it to be true.
jordan holmes
That's because of all of the stuff that we kind of idolize about the Native American tribes.
dan friesen
Yeah, certainly.
jordan holmes
That, you know, like, we're living as one with the nature and all that stuff.
dan friesen
Use all the buffalo.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, they were people.
They still fucking murdered each other left and right.
There were tribes that were driven extinct by other tribes.
And assimilated.
There was slavery.
There was all that other stuff.
dan friesen
There's a lot of people who are against fiat currency and what have you who also make the argument that, like, Native Americans just used barter and had an economy.
Really, if you look at it, that's not an economy.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
They had an economy.
They were sophisticated people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's a little redundant.
jordan holmes
Again, the only reason that we won is not because we were so technologically superior.
dan friesen
Because we were evil.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that.
But also because the most Native American tribes were absolutely decimated.
By disease before we ever even got here.
dan friesen
Right.
And they also were not helped by diseases that we brought.
jordan holmes
Right.
No.
We fucked them up.
We fucked them up.
But yeah.
No.
They had one of the...
Archaeologists have found that they've had one of the largest cities in the world at the time.
dan friesen
And the Cahokia Mound?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway.
This has been fun, but let's get back to crazy.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So you...
Have been giggling and laughing.
This has been a fucking delight for me.
You've been giggling every time he brings up the Mars Colony Corporation.
jordan holmes
They're fucking awesome!
dan friesen
Yeah, it is a corporation.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, come on.
There's a lot of paperwork involved.
dan friesen
So it's for profit.
jordan holmes
That's right!
unidentified
I forgot!
jordan holmes
They have to be selling something!
dan friesen
Yeah, they're selling condos on Mars.
So it is...
It's a business endeavor that is being protected by a Blackwater-esque group of super soldiers on Mars.
So if you want to really look at the long view, that's what's going on.
So in this next clip, Randy talks a little bit about the actual colonies themselves.
randy cramer
And we were not really allowed to visit the colonies.
I've never been to them.
I've never seen them.
I don't even know what they exactly look like.
kerry cassidy
When you say the colonies, what colonies of who?
randy cramer
The Mars Colony Corporation colonies, which apparently they have five colonies.
The Mars Colony Corporation is a consortium of, you know, Earth-based banking, money people.
We're all participating in order to be part of the Mars Colony Corporation and to be part of the colonies and to be part of that genome project and the sort of, you know, future of whole civilization project as they like to think of themselves and call themselves in order to preserve humanity, etc., etc.
jordan holmes
Dude, you shouldn't be so cynical about the Mars Colony Corporation.
kerry cassidy
You were not, in essence, you were guarding the colonies, but you were not based in the colonies?
randy cramer
Correct.
I have never seen the colonies, never even been close enough to them to tell you whether they're domed, underground, or what they look like.
jordan holmes
Being influenced by a warlike people.
You want them to be Pollyanna-ish.
dan friesen
It's sort of like the wall in Game of Thrones.
Like people who are born at the wall.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And haven't gone down to Winterfell or anything like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You don't want the people in Winterfell necessarily to know about the others.
No, of course.
You want them to feel safe.
Yeah, and you similarly don't want the people at the wall.
Who maybe have no idea of other ways of life.
I mean, I know a lot of people were sent there as a penal thing.
Be that as it may, Game of Thrones coming back soon.
jordan holmes
Very excited.
dan friesen
We're brought to you by Game of Thrones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm very excited.
dan friesen
Still will not pick up one of those goddamn books, even if my life depended on it.
jordan holmes
Listen, one, three, and five are good.
Two and four are garbage.
dan friesen
Interesting trend there.
It just takes every other book off.
jordan holmes
That's why I don't know why people are excited for Winds of Winter.
I'm excited for the seventh book, but fuck Winds of Winter.
It's going to be 10,000 pages long.
It's going to be terrible.
dan friesen
I've got no time for it.
I've got to read Philip K. Dick stuff.
Anyway, this next...
Part of this clip, because at the beginning of the clip he's saying, I've never been to the colonies, I don't know what they look like, they might be domed, I have no idea.
Carrie Callahan comes back with a real nice rebuttal.
jordan holmes
Oh, she's got some stuff.
dan friesen
She does.
I respect the fuck out of this answer, even though it's still crazy, but it's great.
kerry cassidy
I mean, is that even possible if you're fighting against...
I mean, was there, because my understanding, you know, and I know there was this huge battle at the end that actually, you know, impacted you, it appears in a very deep way, and then you actually got reassigned to the moon.
But prior to that, you're saying you weren't in the colonies, you didn't go there.
Is it possible that that's an area of your brain, you know, with all due respect, that's been erased?
That memory.
jordan holmes
Holy shit, Kerry!
randy cramer
Memories that I haven't extracted, but I find that unlikely at this point since I feel that I've done a pretty solid extraction of pretty much everything, like all the chunks that would be a chunk here, a chunk there, a chunk there, and so that would be a missing chunk that I'm...
It's unlikely that I haven't found that.
dan friesen
Aw, rats.
jordan holmes
See, now that makes me believe Carrie's right all the more.
Really?
Well, look, if you...
dan friesen
Well, but I mean, it's a self-defining system.
It's like, oh, you don't remember that?
That's clear because you don't have that part of your memory.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
But his denial of that, like, if he was making this up, he would have been like, no, you're right.
He would have yes-anded her.
He would have been like, maybe that's possible.
dan friesen
That's bullshit, because even in his denial, he's accepting it as a possibility.
kerry cassidy
Right.
dan friesen
If he had said, absolutely not, I've done all the searching that's possible in my memory, I've been cleared, I know everything.
Absolutely not.
That would be more respectable because that is an outright denial.
This still allows him to later be like, oh shit, I do remember the colonies.
jordan holmes
Hey, now, however, if you're dealing with somebody who's in early stages of dementia or Alzheimer's, then you will see them occasionally have those moments of lucidity, and if you ask them questions about their memories, they will most likely be like, um, I mean...
I don't—it could be, but I don't think so.
It's very unlikely because— They feel like they're in control of their memories.
They're not aware of their own...
dan friesen
So maybe he has some sort of early-onset Alzheimer's.
jordan holmes
Well, what else would you get after you've had your memory wiped so many different times?
dan friesen
We don't actually know how many times his memory's been wiped.
jordan holmes
Well, but we do know that he's constantly trying to get as much of it back, so you gotta lose some while you're trying to get it back right there.
Like, you can't restore all of a hard drive.
You're gonna still get some artifacts if you got it.
You know, wiped.
dan friesen
You gotta ask yourself, too, how is he going about recovering this memory?
Obviously it's just talking to other crazy people.
jordan holmes
Is that?
unidentified
I think.
jordan holmes
Because I feel like he's giving me the idea of a machine or hypnosis or something like that.
dan friesen
I think maybe hypnosis, maybe regression stuff.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Or weird crystal therapies.
We'll get to some of his science a little bit later.
jordan holmes
I mean, they would have to be moon crystals, of course.
dan friesen
No, Mars crystals.
unidentified
Mars crystals.
jordan holmes
There's too much sodium.
Not enough deep earth iodine.
dan friesen
Randy was a hero.
On Mars.
jordan holmes
Oh, he was!
dan friesen
He served valiantly for 17 years and then was in this big war with the Draconians and ended up becoming a pilot on the moon for the last three years of his tour.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Cary did say that there was a big battle and he had to be reassigned.
dan friesen
They don't really get into much of it.
He had to go infiltrate a Draconian base or something like that and recover something.
jordan holmes
Now, it's a little bit suspicious to me that these guys are always the hero.
Of course.
There's no...
Okay, I was on Mars for 17 years.
I ran away from everything.
I lied to people.
dan friesen
I saw an insectoid.
I pissed my pants.
jordan holmes
I changed my name four different times because four of my friends died and they were going to get rid of me, so I was like, well, now I'm this dude.
I'm genetically engineered to be a super soldier, so who the fuck cares?
dan friesen
I'm the greatest.
jordan holmes
I'm too expensive for them to get rid of.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We'll actually get into...
Some other weird stuff about the end battle.
Everything is so crazy.
Everything is absolutely crazy.
So this next clip is sort of about the end of his time on Mars.
The end of his 20-year tour of duty.
And he very neatly ties up some loose ends.
kerry cassidy
Actually, let's get that set.
What year did you return to Earth?
randy cramer
Technically, I finished my tour in 2007, but then was returned 15 minutes after I left on November, the morning of November the 18th, 1987, at 2.45 or 3 o 'clock in the morning or whatever it was.
kerry cassidy
Okay, so technically you were here, at least in this 3D reality, in 1987.
randy cramer
Oh, absolutely.
And then, like I said, no, and then...
Did the mission for 20 years, and then they told us to do an age-reversing thing, which I don't think was really anything more than putting my consciousness into a younger clone body, which was just more efficient.
So I wake up and think I'm still 17 with repressed memories.
jordan holmes
Yes!
kerry cassidy
Yes!
So the body you're occupying now is a clone?
randy cramer
Probably from the original one, yeah.
But the original one, I mean, it's been blown apart 20 billion times and it's been rebuilt a bunch of times, too.
My original body wasn't my original for a long, long time because all the parts had been replaced at least one point or another.
jordan holmes
Now that's a good question.
dan friesen
That's not really a question.
jordan holmes
So, you've got this guy.
You replace one body part.
He's still the same guy.
But if you replace all of his body parts...
Is he still the same guy?
dan friesen
Well, he actually does explain it.
I didn't keep this clip in, but he explains that there's a connection in your brain, the electrical impulses in your brain, connecting to your soul.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're getting into souls now?
dan friesen
Oh, souls are in play.
jordan holmes
I feel like souls shouldn't be in play in this one.
dan friesen
As long as there's that connection between your brain and your soul, they can just recover and take your brain and put it in a clone body.
Right.
unidentified
And everything's fine.
dan friesen
But if that is severed, that connection between your brain and your soul, then you're like a car.
See, this is bad writing.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Not in that regard.
I'm just saying that this has the ending of This Was All a Dream.
dan friesen
No shit.
jordan holmes
It invalidates the whole thing.
If you're bringing him back to 15 minutes, which, again, that I still believe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everything is 15 minutes.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
You brought 15 minutes back.
After you've already left.
But you're still in your 20 years later body.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So what they do is they...
dan friesen
Kill your old self?
jordan holmes
Right.
And then put you into a clone of your younger self.
dan friesen
Well, I guess if you left at, like, what did you say, like 2 in the morning?
jordan holmes
Yeah, 2.30 in the morning.
dan friesen
2.30 in the morning.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm keeping detailed notes.
These are the most detailed notes I've kept in weeks.
dan friesen
So at 2.33 in the morning, there is nobody in his bed.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
As it were.
So at 245, you do bring back, so you shank the old body.
jordan holmes
Right, that's what you have to do.
dan friesen
Put him in a younger clone that is exactly the same, and no one would notice.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It has to have the exact same facial hair configuration.
This clone would have had to been raised up to the point of 17 years.
jordan holmes
Under the same circumstances.
dan friesen
And you would have had to time it exactly.
Oh, and I guess because time travel's real, you could just go ahead and time travel the body to the right point.
So that's taken care of.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But yeah, you would have to kill the old body, transfer the consciousness, put it back.
jordan holmes
And they are lying to you saying that they're actually making you younger.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And he's like...
These fuckers probably just put me into a younger clone.
Right, instead of age regressing.
Yeah, they didn't actually make me younger at all.
dan friesen
Which that technology certainly exists.
Age regression technology.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So then the other issue is his whole idea that he said at the beginning was the contract that he signed was you get a job at the end of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you get an awesome job.
dan friesen
No, you end up with your brain in a clone and you don't have a job.
jordan holmes
You're 17. Right back where you started.
dan friesen
You're not even old enough to drink.
jordan holmes
Right.
And they've erased your memory, so you shouldn't know about any of this, but he's got a little bit of regression therapy going on.
dan friesen
It's entirely possible that all of us did this.
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
This could be like the Israeli army.
jordan holmes
This could be the Israeli Defense Force.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's where the IDF is.
IDF is part of EDF.
EDF has your MDFs, both Moon and Mars.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It all makes sense.
dan friesen
Totally makes sense.
jordan holmes
It all makes sense.
dan friesen
So we have a couple clips left as sort of a coda to the entire experience.
Carrie asks him how things are going on Mars now.
jordan holmes
God, I love Carrie!
I love Carrie so much!
unidentified
You wouldn't if you listened to the full things.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no.
Of course not.
But I love her right now.
dan friesen
She wants to know what's going on there and he has an interesting answer that reveals a little bit.
kerry cassidy
Do you know, for example, that the reptilians have been completely subdued or the insectoids have been subdued or neither one of them or the skirmishes are still ongoing?
Do you know that kind of information?
Do you have ongoing intel or are you completely detached at this time such that you don't get any updates?
randy cramer
Well, I can certainly tell you that the last time that I was on the moon was in 2007.
I remember the closing ceremonies that they had for the returning EDF officers.
And I can tell you what it looked like then, but that was seven years ago.
jordan holmes
That was a huge thing that I hated.
randy cramer
I don't know what they've changed about Luna Operations Command.
Certainly can't tell you what has happened on Mars since a few years before that, since the last time I was there.
Now, I do get regular intelligence reports, weekly intelligence briefs from the Brigadier.
We have conversations on a very regular basis.
So I feel like what I know, I have to trust that my people are telling me the truth on.
And there are certain things, sure, I can use my own abilities and I can remote view things and I can test things psionically if I need to use whatever it is.
What?
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
We're getting into psionics now?
dan friesen
Oh yeah, he's psychic.
jordan holmes
He's got psionic abilities now as well.
dan friesen
And he can remote view things.
Yeah, absolutely.
So I know that you're very excited about the Brigadier.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of the Brigadier.
I don't need to know anything about the Brigadier.
The fact that there is a Brigadier, period, is my favorite.
dan friesen
We're going to learn a little bit more about him in the future.
jordan holmes
Excellent!
dan friesen
But so what he's saying is he gets weekly updates.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like briefings.
jordan holmes
Weekly intelligence briefings.
dan friesen
Which seems like it would be outside of the purview of this organization that wiped his mind.
And probably doesn't want him to be remembering these things.
jordan holmes
Does he have people on the inside?
He must have people on the inside.
unidentified
Well, the brigadier.
jordan holmes
The brigadier is the man on the inside.
The brigadier is our middleman.
dan friesen
But so here's the thing as he tells it.
He has clearance, and they have requested that he make this information public.
The army, the secret programs that he was in, the reason that it's fine for him to be talking about these secret programs is that they requested that he start to disseminate the information because they want to get the public ready for this stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he is like the tip of the spear in terms of exposure.
jordan holmes
So he's coming out to the crazies right now.
Yeah.
And then there'll be...
A steady trickle of more of these coming out until we get them into the mainstream.
dan friesen
On knowledge fight.
jordan holmes
Then finally, when they're in the mainstream, they'll declassify all of this stuff.
And we'll all have already been kind of prepared.
dan friesen
And we'll have insectoid technologies.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, here's my next question.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
To this man, who unfortunately is not here with us today.
dan friesen
No.
Although, I bet he would call in.
unidentified
God!
jordan holmes
Oh, now I want...
dan friesen
I'm gonna guess that anybody who's been on Project Camelot would call us.
jordan holmes
Would probably still have a conversation here?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
So, he returned from 2007.
Now, how can he be certain that the 2007 that he lived through is the same 2007 that we lived through?
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I'm tired.
Come on.
I'm tired of trying to...
jordan holmes
I'm enjoying this so much.
And I feel like...
dan friesen
It's very difficult and exhausting to try and wrap your head around, like...
jordan holmes
Oh, it is not.
dan friesen
This nonsense.
jordan holmes
It is so easy.
dan friesen
But yeah, of course.
I mean, just his presence...
jordan holmes
I have been preparing for this my entire life.
I've read and watched so much science fiction.
dan friesen
Well, just his presence on Earth makes it a different future than the 2007, than he experienced originally.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because he's influencing two space times at the same time.
dan friesen
So that's one issue.
jordan holmes
So that begs the question, while he was on the moon in 2007, was there the other him that exists now?
dan friesen
Oh, it would have to be.
jordan holmes
Simultaneously.
dan friesen
It would have to be.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In terms of time streams.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be the only way to deal with it.
dan friesen
So then the other thing that we gotta sort of wrestle with is, and this is what I can't find evidence of, was he ever in the military in real life?
Or is all of his service...
This other time stream where his clone came back 15 minutes later.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Well, how could you put him in the military?
Right?
He was raised in the military.
And he is a U.S. Marine in the sense that it's the people who trained him?
Were they Marines?
dan friesen
Do you mean back when he was like 13?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Because how would he get a gig in the military for real?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, they would have to look him up unless they didn't look him up, unless they specifically go out of their way to avoid keeping tags on these people.
dan friesen
So in Fantasyland versus Real World.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In Real World, he wouldn't be able to get into the military because...
jordan holmes
Of the Fantasyland.
dan friesen
Well, because of the Fantasyland contract that exists.
jordan holmes
Oh, there we go!
That's what it is.
dan friesen
The army would be able to see, oh shit, he's a clone of this time-traveling super soldier that we sent over.
Also, is the clone a super soldier?
Is it only in the brain?
Or what's going on there?
jordan holmes
Well, it's...
Fully genetic.
I mean, otherwise, how would he get these psionic powers?
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
So that has to have some kind of physical correlation.
dan friesen
Well, that's not true.
A lot of these people believe that everybody can remote view and shit like that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right, that's possible.
dan friesen
That's not necessarily a superpower as much as it is just some elevated human potential.
jordan holmes
But if we are dealing with clones, then you genetically engineer the original, but you build the clones from the...
From the pre-genetic engineering, right?
Right.
dan friesen
I guess that's how you would do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so if you're removing his embryo first, right?
You save part of it to clone.
You genetically engineer the other one that you need, the super soldier.
You use the super soldier.
This is exhausting.
Then when the super soldier comes back, you kill the super soldier.
Put his brain and his soul into the regular body.
dan friesen
This is really dicey though, because then you've got to make a sort of habit of killing super soldiers.
unidentified
If you're creating super soldiers, you're fine with killing them.
dan friesen
No, but I mean it would be difficult.
They're super soldiers.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, but that's the thing.
dan friesen
I've seen the board identity.
jordan holmes
They trust you implicitly.
dan friesen
You're right.
This is fucking stupid.
I did not expect this to go two hours.
This is bizarre.
jordan holmes
How did you not?
You saw me.
You had no idea.
This is my element, man.
dan friesen
I legitimately thought there was a potential that you'd be like, what are we doing?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
No, good God, no.
unidentified
I'm way in.
dan friesen
Well, we've got the rest of this clip and one more to listen to before we're out.
randy cramer
You know, I'm also a military officer.
When I can grab it with my hand, then it's very, very real to me.
And if I can't pick it up with my hand and I can't stab it, then it has a certain amount of less solidity to me.
So I presume that I'm being told the truth at the moment because I have no reason to doubt that.
I have every reason to believe that my chain of command and my superiors want to help this process and want this process to be successful.
And it provided a lot of information to me that has been honest and truthful and helpful to other folks as well.
dan friesen
So he has this chain of command that is telling him what's going on on Mars now, and he's getting these updates.
jordan holmes
This is very...
I don't like that at all.
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because he's already established that they've been lying to him multiple times.
dan friesen
Well, they lied to him about the job.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They lied to him about a whole bunch of stuff.
unidentified
They killed him?
dan friesen
They didn't age regress him.
They put him in a clone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why would you assume they were telling you the truth?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
He is a...
I mean, that's just...
You should have a much healthier skepticism.
dan friesen
Especially when you are considering that you have the ability to use psionics and you can remote view things.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So you were asking about the Brigadier.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And here is where he explains the situation.
And before he does, I'd like to posit my theory.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's talking to a crazy person.
That's my theory.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Now let's see what he says.
Let's see if you agree with me or him.
kerry cassidy
Okay, now you've called him a brigadier, and have you named him by name?
I've seen some names, so I don't know if there's specifically that person.
randy cramer
He goes by the name of Brigadier General Julian Smythe.
I can tell you that there's the names on his driver's license when he goes home at night, and there's a name on his driver's license when he goes to work every day, and they're not necessarily the same thing.
So when I say that his name is Brigadier General Julian Smythe, that's how I know him and that's how we know him at USMCSS.
But that doesn't mean that that's the name on his cable bill that comes to his high school.
unidentified
So it's a pseudonym.
dan friesen
USMCSS?
jordan holmes
United States Marine Corps Super Soldier.
dan friesen
Probably, yeah.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
I would assume that's what it stands for.
jordan holmes
Nailed it.
So that's why he's a Marine, because that's part of the Super Soldier program.
dan friesen
Right, but that's in Fantasyland timeline.
In the real world timeline, if we allow for Occam's Razor to come into play, he just slept through the night of November 18th.
jordan holmes
And woke up fucked up.
dan friesen
Or he, you know, did some drugs, maybe had some false memories.
If you go to, like, hypnotherapy, if you don't see a very credible person, if you are not careful about it...
It's very easy to implant false memories in people.
jordan holmes
Well, that's how during the satanic panic, two people were put in jail for life for crimes that did not even happen.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
So that's interesting.
dan friesen
It happens very frequently.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so my theory would be that that is what happened.
He has false memories, and he's turned them into a very robust narrative that is fun and entertaining, and that that Fantasyland timeline where he was a super soldier did not exist.
He has found other people through the internet who agree with him and have their own fantasy narratives that they've decided to work together and combine and reinforce each other.
One of them is a Brigadier General who has a fake name.
jordan holmes
Brigadier General Julian Smythe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is a...
Great fake name.
dan friesen
It's not bad.
jordan holmes
That's a good fake name.
dan friesen
So I'm guessing that he's getting these briefings and all these data dumps to him that are just some other guy reinforcing his narrative, informing him of like, oh yeah, things are great on Mars.
It's wonderful.
It snowed the other day.
That's sort of where my brain is.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
I don't know if you're different than that, but that's where I'm at.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I will say this.
I would prefer to discover exactly when he got his first memory regression.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what I would like to know.
dan friesen
I don't know if I'm aware of that.
I don't know.
I'm not going to do too much more digging on him.
But I will tell you this.
I did do some digging on him.
jordan holmes
Good.
I knew you would.
dan friesen
And like I said, I can't find evidence that he was actually in the military in real life timeline.
I did find a GoFundMe that he started on February 13th of this year.
Randy Kramer has created a GoFundMe looking for $70,000.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You might be asking, what's that?
jordan holmes
That's a new car.
dan friesen
And you might be asking, what the fuck is he trying to do?
I'll tell you what he's trying to do.
He's trying to create holographic regenerating medical beds.
jordan holmes
Wait, why do you need the holograph?
dan friesen
Let me read you.
jordan holmes
Just get a regenerating medical bed.
dan friesen
Let me read you.
jordan holmes
Don't overcomplicate it.
Keep it simple.
dan friesen
In Randy's heroic efforts to help research and develop Earth's first holographic regenerating med beds, his funds are running low.
To continue his awesome endeavor, he needs your help.
This $70,000 goal will help bridge the gap.
Once Captain Randy Kramer has these funds, his mission, sanctioned by the Brigadier General, Perfect.
Perfect.
Cure all diseases, including cancer.
Three, age regress an older body to a younger body.
Four, allow us to live much longer, to have fun, and contribute more.
jordan holmes
All good!
dan friesen
These funds are needed right now!
All caps.
These funds go directly and only to independent field commander Randy Kramer.
The sooner we can reach this goal, the sooner we can all get access to these amazing Elysium-style holographic regenerating med beds.
Quoting Captain Randy Kramer.
Holographic regenerating med beds.
This technology.
Cheaper.
Faster.
Less invasive.
Less traumatic.
It just works better.
Costs less money.
Cures everything.
Everything.
Blindness.
Deafness.
Limbs that are damaged.
Limbs that are gone.
Organs that are damaged.
Neurological diseases.
jordan holmes
I love this infomercial.
dan friesen
Genetic disorders.
jordan holmes
Why is this?
Look.
Fuck.
The, uh, the, the, what's it called?
dan friesen
Shamwow?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Give me a holographic regenerating medbed.
dan friesen
Regrowing limbs!
It would absolutely fix and cure every single thing.
Even the things that our modern science can't.
Not only can you fix everything, cellular regeneration for life extension is not that even complicated.
We're very excited about that.
jordan holmes
It's not even complicated?
dan friesen
Not complicated.
jordan holmes
Oh, well then why do you need 70 grand?
dan friesen
Any contribution, large or small, though large was capitalized.
jordan holmes
Large was all caps.
unidentified
Oh yeah, I could hear it.
dan friesen
To this $70,000 goal will be greatly appreciated by all of Earth's life forms, now and in the future.
Especially the folks who are amputees right now, and those who are in pain and dying of so-called incurable diseases.
This is a way you can be a people's champion.
You can be like The Rock.
This is a way you can peacefully fight for our right to live and be healthy by funding this super soldier, space pilot, modern day hero.
This one small action may one day save your life or the lives of your family, friends, or community.
We all sincerely thank you for whatever size contribution you make to this historic campaign.
The future of medicine is here now, knocking at our door.
Thank you for your time and attention.
Much love and respect.
Viva la liberta.
unidentified
Can you psychically interact with what the rock is cooking?
dan friesen
Holograms.
jordan holmes
Why do you need holograms?
Why does it need to be holographic?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Also, he's going to need a whole lot more than 70 grand.
dan friesen
He might need an edit on that.
jordan holmes
He's going to need a lot more than 70 grand.
dan friesen
He might also need an edit on that copy.
jordan holmes
Maybe a little bit.
dan friesen
So, this was started in February.
He's going to create things that will regrow limbs, cure cancer, cure everything in the world.
jordan holmes
This is the most important thing in human history.
dan friesen
How much money he's gotten in donations?
$600.
$487.
jordan holmes
Going to need to lean on your family a little bit more there, bro.
dan friesen
So, I mean, he did brief his parents, so that's good.
That is good.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
So this brings us to the end of our exploration of Randy Kramer.
And it's interesting because this holographic regenerative med bed is very much the sort of stuff that Alex Jones talks about.
He talks about the life extension technology.
That the globalists have that they don't want us to have.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
Are you tying this together with a theme that somehow relates it back to Alex Jones?
dan friesen
I am.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dan!
You're so good at this!
dan friesen
So, that GoFundMe is kind of...
Because Alex is never specific about the kind of life extension technologies that they have, because why would he be?
He doesn't want to be nailed down.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But this is an example of something that a crazy person is promoting on the internet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so maybe Alex is talking about the exact same things, but wouldn't want to be clear about it, because then you get mocked.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, that's one similarity.
And then, Alex is allowing a guy like Steel, Mr. Steel, to come on his show and unspecifically talk about Mars bases.
Well, we've just explained another prominent figure in the world of weirdos on the internet who are, you know, issuing knowledge of Mars bases.
So, enjoy.
jordan holmes
Dan?
There's been a lot of torturing of me that you've done.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
This almost feels like you're like, listen, Jordan is running out of gas.
We gotta throw him a bone.
Which makes me suspect this next episode that we do is going to be fucking horrific.
dan friesen
No, this is more of a...
If that were what I subconsciously was doing, it's more like, hey, you made it through David Duke.
Here's this.
So there's that.
jordan holmes
You gave me a treat.
dan friesen
You gave me a treat!
That's not really...
I mean, that wasn't my primary motivation.
Though I'm glad it did turn out that way.
I'm glad you enjoyed that.
I hope our listeners did too.
If you'd like us to do more stuff like this, let us know.
You can send us a message on Facebook or on Twitter.
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jordan holmes
You can look us up on iTunes.
You can leave a review of our space-based episodes.
Sure.
See how that goes.
dan friesen
And if you want to donate to the show, you can.
On knowledgefight.com, there's a button to support the show.
And if you want us to do more stuff like this, when you make a donation, let us know.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
We'll send that money towards our investigation of secret space programs.
jordan holmes
Dan, here's the thing.
Yeah.
It's kind of tragic that his original genetically engineered body is dead.
dan friesen
Let me skip through this bit.
John Rappaport was on the show on Thursday.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he was just saying the exact same things he said in the episode that we covered of him.
jordan holmes
The exact same things?
dan friesen
He spent like 40 minutes talking about how the DSM-4 doesn't have any blood tests in it.
unidentified
Oh no.
dan friesen
And stuff like that.
So he's just like, psychiatric medicine!
It isn't real!
jordan holmes
So maybe he's just a hologram and the real Rappaport...
dan friesen
Is fucking dead!
Fuck you, John Rappaport.
That's the new sign-off.
jordan holmes
Fuck you, John Rappaport.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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