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Feb. 9, 2026 - Whatever Podcast
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MEGA BLACK PlLL?! Sarah Stock DRAMA! Former "VlRGlN" Guest EXPOSED! Mormon Girl Tried To Sell Her VlRGlNlTY?! | Dating Talk 281

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Indy's Introduction 00:05:25
Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
We're just going to jump right into the show.
Sorry for the delay, guys.
Go ahead and introduce yourself.
Hi, my name is Indy.
I'm 20 years old, and I go to college in San Marcos.
I'm a psychology major, and I'm also getting into the modeling industry.
Okay, and are you're from San Marcos?
I'm originally from Boston.
From Boston.
So you like born there, grew up there?
Yeah, and I moved to California for college.
Okay, can you like fake a Boston accent for the show?
I don't know.
I don't think I have one.
I don't think I have it in me.
What parts of Boston typically of the people who live there have the accent?
Like, there's probably people that, yeah, people that live more like in the city, I'd say.
And you're older people, yeah.
Older people.
The younger people don't have it anymore.
Yeah, a little bit.
Interesting.
Yeah, I live on the coast.
And you're studying psychology?
Gotcha.
Okay.
What about you?
My name is Vicki San.
I'm 18 years old.
Born in China, raised in San Francisco, and I currently go to school at UCSB.
All right.
And what part of China?
Hainandal.
So it's an island on the south.
Okay.
You speak Mandarin?
I do.
Cantonese?
Somewhat, yes.
Somewhat.
Okay.
And you moved to the United States at what age?
At the age of five.
Oh, age of five.
Okay, gotcha.
And do you have citizenship?
I do not.
I'm a citizen of China still.
Okay.
And your parents, they live here too?
Yes.
Okay.
Do they have U.S. citizenship?
Have they tried to go through the process?
All are still Chinese citizens.
Okay.
Do you have like green cards or?
Yeah, we got that in the process.
Gotcha.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Amelia.
I'm 21.
I'm from Los Angeles.
My education, I committed, I finished technical college to be a phlebotomist, but I'm currently working as a caregiver.
I'm extending my education to become a medical assistant pretty soon.
And I currently work caregiver with disabled adults.
All right.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Lola Gold.
I'm 23, and my main source of income is OniFans, but I studied as a veterinary nurse, and I'm a catwalk model.
Okay, all right.
And where are you from?
England.
Whoa, what city?
Manchester?
No, it's Bristol.
Bristol, okay.
But I live in London currently.
London, got it.
What about you?
My name is Mahi.
I'm 19 and I go to UCSB.
Where are you from?
I'm from Chicago.
What are you studying?
Psych and Brain Science.
All right.
What about you?
I'm Julia.
I'm 27.
I work in pediatric dentistry, no higher education for the time being.
And I'm from Arizona.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Erica.
I am 38, and I work in childcare.
I'm from Long Beach.
I grew up in Long Beach.
I live in Orange County currently.
Any college or university?
I went to Cal State Long Beach.
Did you graduate or?
Yeah, a long time ago.
Bachelor's?
Yeah.
What did you?
Theater and child development.
Okay, what about you?
Hi, my name is Komalpreet.
I'm 26.
I'm an actress and a psychic.
And I did some community college before lockdown, but then I had a lot of health problems follow me.
So I had to take time off school, but I want to go back for game development and design.
Okay, and where are you from?
Oh, I'm from the San Fernando Valley in LA County, a valley girl.
Born?
Yes, born and raised.
Okay.
And any college, university?
Yeah, I did a little bit of community college, but I haven't finished yet.
I want to go back.
What were you studying?
Oh, computer science with a concentration in game development and design.
Got it.
Okay.
What about you?
Hi, my name's Maddie.
I'm 29.
I'm an esthetician and I'm from Washington.
Okay, any college, university?
No.
Okay, what about you?
Hi, I'm Madeline.
I'm 24, and I was born and raised in SoCal, Inland Empire area.
I currently work in local government.
I'm an executive assistant for a fire department.
All right, any college, university?
Yes, I have my master's in public administration.
Huh?
Her mic seems off.
Yeah, so can I hear her?
Has it been the audio for other people?
It's not saying.
Is this chair nine?
Wait, chair.
Wait, chat.
Who's chat?
So this is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
Chair nine or chair ten?
Chair ten is next to me.
Is it chair nine or chair ten?
Which microphone is having okay.
Okay, got it, guys.
Wait, chair nine.
So, so you?
Me.
Okay.
All right.
Master's in.
Master's in public administration and then a bachelor's in political science.
Wait, bachelor's in political science.
Okay.
All right.
Longest Relationship Revisited 00:14:53
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SoCal.
Okay.
All right.
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Okay, going around the table once more, and I'm also going to get up and fix the audio situation, attempt to fix it.
Can you tell us your relationship status, please?
Starting with me?
Yeah, yeah, starting with me.
Sorry.
I'm single.
I'm also single.
And then tell us how long you've been single and then your longest relationship.
I think I've been single for a little over a year, maybe a year and a half.
And my longest relationship was two years.
I've been single for like half a year now, and my longest relationship was a year and six months.
One second, can you talk into your mic really quick?
Hello.
Louder?
Hello?
Ah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Sorry, continue on, guys.
I'm in a relationship.
You know what?
Hold on.
I'm sorry.
Why don't you do this?
Who would you have for the Super Bowl?
Just fucking, whatever.
Starting with you.
Who do you want to win for the Super Bowl?
Bad Bunny.
Don't have a team at all.
I'm from Washington, so obviously it's the dogs.
I don't care about football.
I have no idea who's playing.
Same.
Same.
I don't know.
Is it Patriot?
It's all staged anyway.
It's staged?
Yeah, why don't you tell us how you're psyched?
Tell us about that.
Oh, I did tarot and palm readings.
I love that.
Okay.
What do you mean?
All right.
Can you speak into the microphone, please?
Hello.
Is it working?
Keep going.
Chat.
Is it fixed?
It should be fixed.
Is it fixed?
Is it fixed, chat?
123, testing 1, 2, 3.
Testing 1, 2, 3.
1, 2, 3.
Okay, it's working.
All right.
Sorry for the delay there, guys.
Technical magic there.
All right.
So going back to the relationship status, if you can repeat it, go ahead.
I'm single.
I've been single for like a year and a half, and my longest relationship lasted for two years.
Is that the one that ended a year and a half ago?
Yeah.
Okay.
And who broke up with who?
I technically broke up with him, but it was kind of a mutual thing.
Mutual thing.
Okay.
So, but why?
Okay, technically you broke up with him.
I broke up with him, but like we both kind of agreed things weren't working, and so the breakup was mutual.
I see.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
So I have been single for like half a year now.
And my longest relationship was a year and a half.
All right.
A year and a half.
Is that the one that ended a year and a half ago?
The one that ended like six months ago, like half a year ago.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Who broke up with who?
I broke up with him.
Okay.
Well, it was like a high school relationship.
Yeah, high school, pretty much.
All right.
Did you go back to China, by the way?
I go back in the summers, yes.
In the summers.
Have you done any dating in China?
No, I haven't.
No dating.
No dating in China.
Okay.
Just curious, do you have a preference when it comes to the kind of men that you date?
Well.
White guys, Asian guys, black guys.
Speaking, like from my experience, I've honestly pretty much been with like Chinese people.
Not that I have a preference, but I think there's just more in common and more similarity with Chinese people being Chinese.
Okay.
I'd say like Asian guys, yeah.
So your last boyfriend, he was Chinese?
Yes.
Gotcha.
All right.
And single for half a year?
Yeah.
Something.
Everything okay?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I thought I heard like a oop.
What about you?
I'm in a relationship and it's coming up on 11 months.
11 months.
All right.
Did you used to do OnlyFans?
Never.
And you don't do it currently, correct?
Never.
I'm just trying to remember.
You do raves.
You go to raves.
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
Never did OF.
Just wanted to double check there.
Okay, in a relationship, 11 months.
What about you?
I'm single.
And I've been single for nearly a year.
Okay, longest relationship?
My longest relationship was a year.
One year.
Is that the one that ended a year ago?
Yes.
All right.
And you're friends with Bevo?
Well, Bevo's girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, I guess.
I don't know.
I mean, we've actually never met.
We're not.
Oh, okay.
We're not.
But you know, I suppose we're associates.
Associates.
Yes.
You haven't done content?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not, please.
He does content, right?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Okay.
I think.
Maybe.
And how long have you been in the United States?
I've been here for two and a bit months now.
You're just visiting?
Yes.
Yes.
Have you dated any American men?
Yeah, I have.
What's the difference, would you say, between American men and I think you guys are like more forward in a good way?
In a good way, okay.
Yeah.
All right.
What about you?
I'm currently in a two and a half year relationship and that's been my longest relationship.
All right.
What about you?
My longest relationship has been four months and I'm in a complicated situation.
Four months longest.
Okay, so it's complicated currently.
How long have you been seeing Mr. It's Complicated?
Now a month.
One month.
Why is it complicated?
So we are debating if our compatibility is there.
And he told me that we would take a break, not like a break, but like a talking break for a week.
And that will redefine and redetermine our compatibility after this podcast.
After, so is he watching live and probably assessing your answers?
Yes, sir.
Whose decision was it to reassess after your appearance on the whatever?
That's his idea.
That's interesting.
That's a new one for us.
So, okay, you've been, and you've only known him for a month?
Yes, sir.
How did you guys meet?
Dating?
At EOS Hot Tub.
Damn.
EOS Hot Tub?
Yes, sir.
Formerly Gold's Hub.
Is that like a nightclub?
Oh, no, it's a gym.
It used to be Gold's Gym.
They bought it out.
EOS.
Uh-huh.
Really big an age.
You guys meant at the gym.
I got it.
Okay.
Your longest relationship ever, four months, so.
That's interesting.
You're Christian?
I am Mormon.
Oh, but I will.
Mormons are.
Well, it depends who you're talking about.
Mormons.
You got out.
Why?
No, but didn't you guys rev not?
You guys kind of revoked the Mormon title.
It's LDS.
It's Latter-day Saint.
I used to say that, and no one used to say it, and now everyone says Latter-day Saints.
and now I say Mormon.
Just to be?
Yeah.
Just to be troublesome, yes.
Did you go to church?
Yes.
Okay.
How long have you been LDS or Mormon or whatever?
My entire life.
I took a long break for a while and explored different religions, but essentially my entire life.
Did you go to BYU?
No.
Okay.
Wanted to, but no.
Interesting.
Okay.
Are you waiting until marriage?
Yes, sir.
Has that been your standard your entire life?
Yes.
So you're a virgin?
Yes.
Okay.
None of that.
What do they call it?
What is it?
Not reborn again or whatever.
The super soaking thing.
The bed shaking thing.
The super soaking thing.
No, that's so disgusting.
Is that real?
Yes.
And I don't know anyone who does it or openly admits it.
So not born-again virgin, by the way.
Never virgin.
I've been a virgin my whole life.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
And you're dating a guy.
Is he a Mormon?
he's Jewish.
You're a devout LDS Mormon Christian dating a, is what kind of, is he orthodox?
I don't know if he's his, I don't know if he's Orthodox or Hasidic or whatever.
He just says that he's Jewish.
Like culturally Jewish or like actually religiously Jewish?
He grew up Jewish.
Like his mom is a cantor, but they weren't super rigid or anything.
That's interesting.
So the complicated guy, Jewish.
Yes, sir.
And you're devoutly Mormon.
Shouldn't that just be a non-starter for you?
You would think so.
I'm open.
I'm one of the rare ones that's open to dating other men as long as they love Jesus or and he's open to Jesus.
And so.
Well, I mean, Christianity, whether it's Islam, whether it's Judaism, the faiths are to some degree non-aligned.
So it's a bit and also so are you going to convert to Judaism or is he going to convert to LDS?
Should things work out, I see us having like an interfaith sort of environment.
I've seen it happen.
I've seen Catholics date choose.
It's a thing.
Well, it happens, but I mean, it's just, if you guys both take your faith seriously, it just seems completely incompatible.
I have a question for you.
Even, by the way, even other Christian, like the differences between Christian denominations, Orthodox with a Catholic or with a Protestant, it's even then, even if you're both Christians, it's going to cause issues.
Yes, it could possibly.
You have to.
Why not just be like, you know what?
I'm Mormon.
Let me just make things easy.
Just date a Mormon guy.
I was talking to someone about that earlier.
And that's part of the compatibility question that we have on hand.
It seems like a pretty significant compatibility issue.
But outside of religion, are there other compatibility issues?
Yes.
Personality differences.
He's very, he's kind of brute.
He's very direct.
Brute?
Brute, yes.
Brute, okay.
He's a brute's man.
He's direct, okay.
Yeah, he's very direct.
He's very difficult, kind of stubborn.
And these are all fine things.
It's just how he goes about those.
Okay.
Is he waiting until marriage?
He's willing to.
He's willing to.
Okay.
I don't know if that's this in Judaism.
I'm not sure if that's the standard in the religion.
Maybe if you're Orthodox, I think.
Probably that.
But like the more, I don't know, whatever.
Okay.
Okay.
That's interesting.
Complicated.
All right.
What about you?
Oh, Lord.
I'm single.
All right.
How long have you been single for?
Maybe a month.
One month.
Maybe less.
I had my heart broken.
I didn't want to count.
Longest relationship you've ever been in?
Like six, seven years.
Is that the one that ended a month ago?
No.
Okay.
So I see.
The one that ended a month ago, how long was that relationship?
Gosh, I don't even know if I could call it a relationship.
It was like nine months, maybe?
Nine months.
He was from the UK.
Okay.
White guy, black guy.
He was black.
Black guy, okay.
It was from Reading, though, may I add?
Where?
Reading.
Reading?
Yeah.
That's a place in the UK, I assume.
Yeah.
Okay.
Is that like a bad place?
It's just a little bit rough.
Rough?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Okay, single for one month.
All right.
What about you?
Hi.
I've been single for almost six years.
And I'm currently single, yeah.
Currently single.
Okay.
Longest relationship?
Eight months.
Eight months.
Is that the one that ended six years ago?
Yes.
Okay.
You've been single for six years, but anything in that time period, anything shorter term, a couple months here, six months, something like that?
I just had a couple of narcissists love bomb me, but that doesn't really count for anything.
Narcissists love bomb you.
Yeah.
Okay.
Question of the men.
I'll just really quick ask the whole panel.
Who here has dated a narcissist?
Show of hands, please.
Just you?
Nobody else has dated a narcissist?
Oh, okay.
Why the hands aren't coming up?
You've dated, you've dated.
Okay, well, I'll focus on you here for a moment then.
Were they diagnosed with NPD?
The thing is, it's nearly, it's like virtually impossible to get diagnosed with NPD because part, like the whole core thing of their disorder is that they don't admit that they're doing anything wrong.
Well, I mean, I would imagine that if they went to a therapist, perhaps the rates of people who actually end up or undiagnosed have NPD, maybe their rates of going to a therapist are much lower.
But, I mean, there's clearly a diagnostic metric for how you would diagnose somebody with NPD.
Okay, but no, they don't have a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder.
Okay.
And you said that was for how long?
Psychic Insights vs. Skepticism 00:04:32
Oh, I mean, I just both narcissists, it was just a couple of months.
How many narcissists have you dated?
Two.
Two.
Okay.
Was the eight-month one also a narcissist?
No, but he was probably like a sociopath.
Sociopath.
Okay.
And then you said he love bombed you.
What do you mean by that?
What did he do?
Like, they purposely do this thing where they talk to you like 12, 13 hours a day.
They never spend any time away from you.
They purposely mirror all your little quirks and interests to make it seem like they're your soulmate.
They tell you they love you like really early on.
They do these things to like rush the relationship, like have you meet their family.
Okay.
How soon did he say I love you?
Probably after a few weeks.
Okay.
Did you also reply that you loved him?
No, I think my gut knew something was wrong.
I just started crying.
You cried?
Yeah, like, you know, when your gut just knows like something is off.
Like, I felt like I was in danger.
Okay.
You're a psychic, though, right?
Yeah.
As a psychic, shouldn't you be able to have foreknowledge of this person's a narcissist?
Shouldn't they?
Like, shouldn't you, don't you know that?
Well, here's the thing.
I'm also very naive.
Like, I come from a culture where like your parents don't really talk to you about dating and all that.
Like, my parents had an arranged marriage.
So I was really sheltered in that regard.
What culture is that?
I'm Indian.
Indian?
Okay.
Yeah.
And so, like, I'm just, I can just be naive, gullible, trusting, because, like, I just assume the other person feels as strongly as I do.
And when you're into someone, it's easy to romanticize them, you know, like overlook their flaws because you just so badly want that connection.
Wait, I have, hold on.
Okay, I have a magic eight ball here.
As a psychic, I want you to predict what will be what's going to be on the dice.
Okay.
Okay, tell me.
I guess ask again next time.
Wouldn't that be fucking insane if it was actually here?
You read it, so I'm not lying.
Don't bet on it.
Okay.
You want to for best?
Here I go.
Okay, one more time.
All right.
So what are your, obviously it doesn't work very well with magic eight balls, but in terms of your psychic abilities, what would be an application that we could explore right here, right now?
I mostly do tarot card readings.
Tarot card.
Okay.
Is that psychic, though?
Is that under the realm of psychic?
I think so.
But you said you're a psychic.
That makes me think you have like precognition or you can see the future kind of.
I mean, haven't you ever had that happen to you where your gut was trying to tell you or warn you of something before it happened?
Well, that's not psychic ability.
That's, uh...
Intuition, maybe?
i mean that that's kind of just evolutionary like there is something what what is the gift of fear Something like that.
But yeah, sometimes, look, sometimes your gut is wrong, but sometimes it's correct.
But I don't think that makes you psychic.
I mean, you're a man.
You don't believe in this stuff.
Well, what would prevent a woman from being rational and coming to the determination that psychic tree, is that the right term?
Psychic, psychotry, psychotry, psychic, whatever, is snake oil and bullshit.
I don't believe in it.
I think everyone's allowed to be skeptic.
Like everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Yeah, but why should we dismiss women who are skeptical of this?
I don't know.
I'm saying anyone can be skeptical.
Oh, okay.
But you said specifically as a man.
I'm just like, I have greater what?
What do I, as a man, what, greater what?
I just know, like, stereotypically, men just aren't into this stuff.
Like, it's like, you know, gender interests.
Well, I think it actually is probably true that, for example, with astrology, this, not all women believe in astrology, but it seems like more women have an interest in it than men do.
Men are more dismissive of it than women are.
So I suppose that's true.
Marriage And Infidelity 00:06:04
But yeah.
Okay.
Do you want to predict something?
Like, I don't know.
It's like.
No.
No.
Well, give us one prediction.
Somebody going to one of the women here going to enter into a lesbian relationship with one of the other women.
Oh.
No.
You don't feel it?
I'm actually detecting a little lesbian energy from this side of the table right in that corner.
I'm not going to say who, but I do detect.
I think you're telling us your fantasies out loud.
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
But okay, all right.
What about you?
I'm engaged and I've been in this relationship for 15 years.
How long have you guys been engaged?
Two, five years.
Five years?
Yeah.
That's a long.
I wonder what the women here think.
What do you guys think?
That's a long time to be.
Not if you're saving up for the right day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, to be fair, you guys also met young, right?
Because you're 29.
I'm 29.
He's 29?
Yeah.
So you guys met in like high school?
Middle school.
At like 14.
Yeah.
A little closer to the mic if you can.
Yeah.
We met in middle school.
Okay.
Okay.
We have two kids.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Two kids.
I have an 11-year-old and a five-year-old.
With him.
Yes, with him.
I'm hoping.
Yeah, both of him.
Anybody else here have kids?
I have a daughter.
Daughter.
Is that from the nine-month guy?
No.
It's from my ex-husband.
Oh, you were married previously?
Wait.
Yeah, I didn't mention that.
No.
Your longest relationship was?
No, that was a long time ago.
I'm 38.
I have a lot of.
The longest relationship at any point.
Six, seven years.
That was a long time.
I was in high school with the six, seven year, like from high school to college.
I see.
Okay.
So you were married to him for.
No, that was somebody else.
Wait.
So high school, I was with someone for like six, seven years.
Seven years.
Okay.
And then, you know, another two-year relationship.
And then I got married.
We were married for four years, I think.
And I have a daughter with him.
I see.
From Europe also.
Oh, no.
He's from Denmark.
Black guy.
He looks like you.
White guy then.
White guy.
I guess a black guy could look like me.
Yeah.
A black version of me.
Okay.
He's white.
Okay.
Does he pay you child support?
No.
You have full custody, I'm assuming.
No.
He has custody.
50-50.
50.
So he lives in the USA.
Yes.
Okay.
Interesting.
Very.
Does he pay you alimony?
Or did he pay you alimony?
No, he made me feel so bad for even thinking about alimony.
You thought about alimony?
At first I was like, no, and then he was being really mean.
And I was like, I'm going to take alimony.
He was like, you're spiteful.
And then you were like, nah, I'm not.
I just, our divorce took so long.
And I was just like, I'm over it, whatever.
Just at no alimony, 50-50, whatever.
Just.
Well, that's reasonable of you.
That's reasonable.
Okay.
What about you?
I'm single.
I've been single for five to six months.
And my longest relationship was four years.
Is that the one that ended five to six months ago?
No.
How long was the most recent one?
It was around two years, but it was on and off.
On and off for two years.
How many times was it on and off?
Oh, it's a blur, honestly.
I couldn't even tell you.
Ballpark, three, four, five, six, seven.
Probably six, seven, more than seven, maybe?
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
When will it end?
Who would be initiating the off?
It was probably split or leaning towards me.
Yeah.
You would overwhelmingly be the one to break things off?
Not overwhelmingly, but like it was kind of even, but more so probably me if I had to pick one.
So if it was seven times off, you ended things four times, he ended things three times.
Yeah, probably around there, yeah.
Something like that.
Who would try to get back with each with the person?
I'd say him.
He was more likely to reach out.
Okay, and how long were the breaks typically during the off period?
A couple weeks, sometimes they were like three months, and sometimes it would be like a week.
So that also varied.
Who here at the panel has experience with on-again, off-again relationship show events?
Okay.
All right.
A couple of you guys.
Couple of you guys.
Hmm.
What would be the primary reason for the breakups?
Was it different every time or would there be a repeating issue?
Okay.
Mainly it would be around loyalty or just.
How many men did you cheat on him with?
No.
None.
Women?
None.
Oh, my bad.
He cheated then.
Yes.
Yeah, I did catch him cheating a couple of times.
A couple times.
Yeah.
catch him like in the act like you walked in and no no not that um It was mainly like I had a feeling, some type of intuition, and then I asked to see his phone and I saw something on it.
What did you see?
A DM.
It wasn't like full-on physical cheating.
Okay.
But yeah, I was like messaging girls and saying things that you shouldn't be saying while in a relationship.
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Okay.
Yeah.
And were you completely faithful?
Yeah.
Yeah.
When we were in a relationship, I had never.
Were there other guys during the breaks?
That I had talked to?
Yeah.
I genuinely, because I wanted to move on.
So I was trying to actually start a relationship elsewhere and then he'd come back and yeah.
Okay.
Good times.
Was it toxic?
Yeah, definitely.
I would say so.
Were you toxic?
I had some moments.
I was not perfect.
Yeah.
What did you do?
I think I would argue, like my biggest regret was just not leaving and wanting to prove my point.
I think I should have just stuck to my morals and just left, and that would have been better for me.
Gotcha.
All right.
And are you Christian?
Yes, I'm Catholic.
Catholic, okay.
Anybody else here, religious, you know, religious?
What are you?
Christian.
What are you?
Sikh.
Sikh?
Okay.
Sikhs are dope.
They're legends.
I just believe in God.
You're the Mormon.
You?
You're Catholic, right?
I follow Christ.
I don't really have a label.
Oh, I thought you said you were.
I mean, Catholic Christian is, I guess, what you could classify it as, but it's not to the certain traditions and things like that.
I would say, sorry.
Not to certain traditions?
What do you mean?
Like, I just don't agree with a lot of what the propaganda the churches have implemented, like on top of things that are to start, like, that are not in the Bible.
Such as what?
I think that there's a lot of topics and things that have been added in over time that are excess that are not that are like deterring away from the main point, which is your relationship between you and God.
So I don't go to church as often as I do.
If I do, like I said, last time I was here, I'll go to Catholic Mass, but I don't agree with all the things that they say.
I don't like a lot of the politics that these churches do.
What politics?
Because there's different politics in various churches and denominations.
This is true.
I think that, well, I think that certain churches, like the one that I attend in Santa Monica, support abortion, which I think is in direct contradiction to what I believe and what the Bible states.
So for that, many other Catholic churches do as well, as well as Presbyterian, all denominations of Christianity, unfortunately.
Wait, the Catholic church you go to is pro-abortion.
Yes.
This is in Santa Monica.
So this is if I have to go, I'll go with my grandma because she enjoys it, and that's all right.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, my understanding of Catholicism is a lot different than that, and so is mine.
So that's why I'm saying I don't fully claim the label because that's just one example, as well as having pride flags outside of churches.
Well, I think the mainstream Catholic position on abortion is they're against abortion.
True, but I haven't been able to find a church yet that supports, that's just baseline Christianity, you and God, not all this other BS put in place.
Doesn't the look, I don't really know all too much about Catholicism, but well, you're Catholic, right?
Doesn't the can't the higher up you go, I don't know, like what it would be called, the archdiocese or even going up to the Vatican, the Pope, whatever.
Couldn't the Pope like revoke your ability to be a Catholic church or kick you?
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I don't know how that would work, actually.
Well, there's excommunication, but there's like very strict procedures and protocol behind that.
In this case, I'm not really sure.
I've never heard of any like Catholic priest or anyone who's Catholic that preaches like talking in support of abortion.
You could probably tell the diocese.
I'm not sure which one you would belong to if you're in Santa Monica.
But you could tell the diocese because they're not supposed to be sharing anything that's against doctrine.
You can have different interpretations of certain things, but if it goes against church doctrine, then that shouldn't be what they're doing.
So it's my understanding.
I'm not completely sure.
Interesting.
Okay.
You wanted to weigh in on this?
Oh, I was just going to say that I resonate the most with the Buddhist teachings, but I'm not practicing.
I just believe in good karma and potentially reincarnation if you're well-behaved.
All right.
There you go.
There you go.
Okay.
Everybody's going to have some kind of comfort, I feel, in this crazy world.
Sure.
Mary, can you Google Super Bowl score at the moment, please?
So it looks like it's ending actually pretty soon, it looks like.
Wait, no.
Sorry, they're in the third quarter.
No, it's fine.
You don't have to.
They're in the third quarter.
Seattle Seahawks leading 9-0.
Wow, pretty uneventful game so far.
But yeah, anyways, I don't know.
What I am going to do, one of the topics we have that might take a bit of time is maybe some of you are aware, maybe you're not.
There's a recent massive controversy kind of on X on Twitter with this conservative, traditional pundit who we've actually had on the show before named Sarah Stock.
Now, because it's probably some of our audience is currently split watching the Super Bowl, I'm probably going to wait to address all the Sarah Stock drama.
I'll wait maybe until 7 p.m. Pacific.
I think the Super Bowl ends around 6.30.
So maybe 7, 7.30, we'll get into the Sarah Stock drama.
But just for the table, for those watching, as a, I guess, a teaser for what we're going to get into, Sarah Stock, this girl who came on the show, she was Catholic, Christian, conservative, claimed on the show that she was on like two years ago, that she was waiting for marriage, that she was a virgin, blah, Turns out, and she got married.
She got married a couple months ago.
Turns out she was cheating on her husband.
Well, now husband.
I don't think they were married at the time, but they were together.
She was cheating on her, I guess, boyfriend fiancé, whatever it is.
Cheating on her boyfriend and then with her boss.
And he was married or is married with children.
And they're both Catholic or he's Orthodox.
She's Catholic.
She lied to her now husband that she was a virgin and she's waiting for marriage.
She's making her husband, or excuse me, well, her now husband, soon-to-be ex-husband, wait for marriage to have sex.
Meanwhile, she's getting cracked by her married with children boss.
Very complicated situation.
We're going to dive massively into that, but I'm going to wait a little bit as some more viewers trickle in once the Super Bowl ends.
But that's the teaser for it.
So, and I'm sure you guys will have opinions and thoughts on all of that.
What we're going to do now is I'm going to get into some of the pre-show notes that you guys provided.
So that's one of the no-shows.
So we can do whatever.
Nope.
Let's see here.
One sec, guys, while I get this going.
Oh, actually, before we do that, I wanted to do a follow-up question on the people here who are single, which is most of you.
What does it actually mean to be single in 2026?
You've been single for a year and a half, single for a year and a half, single for a year, complicated for like a month or whatever.
Single for six years?
Wait, that was you, right?
No, no, like a month.
Or wait, maybe six years.
No, you've been single for one month.
You've been single for six years.
Single for five to six months for you.
So what does that mean, though?
What does it mean to be single?
So I guess perhaps some clarifying questions.
Is there a guy in the picture currently in any capacity?
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
I actually wrote out, I need to be more detailed on this.
One sec, Colin.
Let me find it.
Okay.
Because, for example, somebody could say they're single and be like sleeping with one, two, three other people.
I'm single, but I don't have the title.
You're technically not in a relationship, right?
Right.
So you're technically in a relationship, so you're single, but you're getting smashed out by one, two, three people.
This would apply to men too.
Men can claim to be single, but they're fucking, you know, whatever.
Three chicks.
Are you really single?
So here's the question.
Here's a question that you have to ask in 2026.
You can't just ask somebody, whether you're a man or a woman, are you single anymore?
You can't rely on that to give you an answer that you can really draw any information from.
Because I think that, how do we say, people are not going to be particularly forthcoming about, they can be, but they're not going to be super forthcoming.
So here is the question.
I had a lawyer assist me in drafting this.
Because we got to close the loopholes.
We can't let loopholes.
As a man or a woman, you don't want loopholes.
Okay.
Are you presently engaged in, or have you at any time during the relevant period of time we've been talking been engaged in any form of communication, association, interaction, or relationship with any other male individual or individuals, whether romantic, intimate, sexual, or otherwise, be it casually or seriously, including, but not limited to, dating, meetings, sneaky links, hangouts, chilling, kicking it,
ongoing contact or involvement of any kind, whether conducted in person or through electronic means, including text messages, direct messages, dating applications, social media platforms, or any other form of digital or written communication.
Wow.
I think that's pretty thorough.
I think you can't just say, are you single?
You covered it all.
You got to ask that question in 2026.
I have a worse one too.
Should I read the twice as long one?
Oh, yeah, go for it.
Go for it.
All right, here we go.
Are you currently, or have you, at any time during the applicable or relevant period of time, directly or indirectly engaged in, participated in, maintained, initiated, responded to, or otherwise been involved in any communication, contact, association, interaction, arrangement, understanding, or relationship of any nature whatsoever with any other male individual or individuals, whether such involvement is characterized as romantic, intimate, sexual, emotional, or otherwise,
including but not limited to dating, courtship, companionship, repeated or isolated encounters, continued correspondence, or ongoing or intermittent contact.
Regardless of frequency, duration, or intent, such inquiry expressly includes, without limitation, any form of in-person interaction or any form of communication conducted through electronic, digital, written, or recorded means, including but not limited to telephone calls, text messages, multimedia messages, emails, direct messages, private messages, smoke signals, or exchanges on or through dating applications, social networking platforms, messaging services, forums, websites,
or any other present or future communication medium, whether public or private, initiated by you or by the other party, and whether reciprocated, acknowledged, or unacknowledged.
Guilty as charged.
I don't like that one, actually.
I think it's faulty.
You think it's faulty?
Why is that?
Well, you started it by saying during the applicable or relevant time, which is up to interpretation, and the other person could use that to their advantage.
And yeah, it's just kind of relative.
Well, I suppose it depends when you're asking this question, but yeah.
But change that in your life.
I think it's pretty strong.
I think it's very strong.
So, is there a guy in the picture under this framework?
There we go.
Okay.
I guess.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
In what context?
The guy in the picture.
what about him?
Is he, are you, what are you guys hooking up?
What's the deal?
Sort of.
Yeah.
How long have you guys known each other?
Maybe like five months?
A couple months?
Yeah.
Five months?
And have you been hooking up for that period of time?
No.
No.
How did you guys meet?
At school.
At school?
Okay.
And are there other guys in the picture besides him?
No, I wouldn't say so.
Do you guys live together?
No.
When's the last time you saw him?
Like two days ago.
And was there a sleepover?
It was a group hangout.
An orgy?
No.
Wow.
No, no.
No.
No.
Okay.
Yeah.
Are you on any dating apps?
No.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then.
I have a question for you.
Yeah.
Would you consider someone who is like in a talking stage or sleeping with someone else?
Would you consider that person to be single?
Which one?
The person who's.
You know, in a talking stage or sleeping with someone without a relationship label.
Would you consider them to be single?
They're not in a relationship, but I don't think they're single.
Okay.
So what would you categorize that as?
In a situationship.
A situationship?
Okay.
Talking stage.
Right, right.
Not single, though.
Not single.
I think if another man's penis has been inside you within the past fortnight, 14 days.
Two weeks.
What if it wasn't?
You're not single, huh?
What if it wasn't sex?
Like, what if it's just like a...
BJ's will count, too.
Still 14 days.
Oh.
What if it's just like a talking thing?
Like, would you consider someone also count towards a hand job?
Not that a guy should ever want a hand job.
What's the point?
Oh, okay.
What about if you had just been on a date?
Like, I would have to do it.
If you had a date of fun getting at, yeah, like a date or just like even like texting, you know, talking on the phone, hanging out, just, yeah.
Yeah, so I think, no, then you could probably claim single if you've been on a date with a guy.
What about multiple heavy petting?
It's a gray area.
If there's heavy petting, gray area.
Kiss, probably still single.
But is it the second date, the third date?
Yeah, no, no.
I don't think situationships are real.
I think the person just doesn't like you that much.
Like either you're single or you're not.
There's either a label or there's not.
What about that like beginning talking stage before you're when you're getting to know someone before you're like ready to fully commit to a relationship?
Yeah.
Right, but that's I wouldn't say that's a situationship, right?
Because this isn't a situation where you do like relationship type things, but with no label and you guys don't even talk about it.
But I challenge that to say like some people maybe aren't in the right headspace for a relationship or not looking for a relationship.
Yeah, so I feel like that's just they don't want to fully commit to it.
I feel like that's just friends with benefits.
Like you guys are just hanging out.
I wouldn't call that like a situationship.
What would you call a situationship?
I don't think that's real.
Like, I think if you're talking to someone, and they're also talking to you, but they don't want to date you, but they claim to like you, like, they're just not that into you, I feel like.
Mm-hmm.
What about you?
You got...
Is there a guy in the picture in any capacity whatsoever?
No.
Well, it was kind of similar to what she mentioned earlier.
Like I don't have any like situationships or anything going on.
I'm just single and I don't know, focusing on myself, doing the things I like.
When's the last time you were you hung out with a guy Where you at least liked him, let's say.
Okay, well, actually, like a month ago, like it was kind of like a like a friends with, like, we were friends.
It was kind of like we were friends with friends.
Yeah, friends with benefits.
But, um, yeah.
And how long were you guys seeing each other?
Friends with benefits, I guess?
Um, like three months.
Three months.
Yeah.
It was like, yeah, he um just wasn't ready for a relationship and I respect that.
But that's like adding on to what she said.
Like they probably just didn't like me as much.
So there's, yeah.
Were you dating other guys at the time?
No.
Was he dating other girls?
No, it was.
We weren't like that, but yeah.
How would you know though for sure?
Did he tell you he was exclusive to you or whatever?
Yes.
And I mean through observation, you can kind of just tell if someone were to be seeing other people and it just didn't seem like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
And okay, so did you say I love you to him?
No, absolutely not.
There's, I think there are some things that like I draw the line with between like someone I'm just seeing or someone that I'm dating.
Like I'm not gonna we also didn't crack.
Like I'm not gonna do that to sit with someone that you're friends with benefits.
But you didn't have sex?
We I don't hook up with people.
That's something about me.
But we mean by that?
Like I don't I'm not just gonna well going to UCSB there's a lot of parties, you know, the life there.
I'm not just gonna find a random guy at a party and take them home and then crack them from there.
I get I want to take the time to like get to know someone.
So during that period it was kind of like kind of like working up to it, but we just never got there and then yeah.
Okay.
So wait you're friends with benefits, but you didn't have sex?
But there was like other to it.
Like I don't think like you have to okay well if you have to have sex to be friends with benefits then I guess you could say we weren't friends with benefits.
But it was like a situation kind of thing going on.
Okay.
I don't know if they're watching right now so I'm not trying to say too much.
I guess my confusion is, if you're friends with like, he didn't want more, so what was it that you were building up to?
Well, he was kind of figuring out if he wanted more during the time that we were talking and then like, when he realized it wasn't um, it happened very abruptly.
That's why like, it caught me off guard because up until that point, like we were like sleeping together and like we were like hanging out sleepovers blah blah, blah.
Wait, when you say sleeping together, not like having sex, but like we, there was like other, you know it, just yeah, but i'm sure the girls can know like, what i'm talking about.
Like third base or what huh are you saying?
Like third base, third base?
Like third base is like oral.
Second base is like petting and mess, like hand stuff.
First base is like making out.
Fourth base is like no answer to that.
Cracked Quickly? 00:09:22
Okay, but yeah, i'm not trying to, I don't want to say that out loud, but yeah no, I understand.
Okay, I think we understand.
Um okay, that's interesting.
Um huh, what about you?
Um, so I enjoy sex.
Um I, the sex that I have with guys is on camera and off camera.
So the only men that I have on my platform.
With me are guys that I have dated before, so yeah, I i'm known as hard to get in the industry because I don't actually do commercial porn interesting.
Won't find me anywhere, so go to the link.
Question for you though, So during this period of time when you were seeing this guy, you were friends with benefits, partial benefits, I guess.
Partial, yes.
Partial benefit, half benefits, quarter, three-fourths benefits.
Would you have described yourself as single?
Loki, no.
Like, I didn't, I wasn't open to talking, talking to anyone else.
And if someone asked me if I was like seeing anyone, I'd be like, oh, like, I'm talking to someone, but like, we aren't together.
So I wouldn't categorize myself as single during that period.
I see.
If a guy, say a guy who you thought was attractive, walked up to you and hit on you or whatever, would you turn him down?
Like say, oh, sorry, I'm seeing somebody.
Yeah, actually, I would.
Okay.
Is that unexpected?
Wait, question on this.
So, okay, moving on.
I guess I'm shifting the topic a little bit.
Okay.
So you said, okay, the term you used was crack.
Cracked?
Cracked.
Okay, sorry.
No, no, that's no, that's totally fine.
Okay.
Cracked.
And it was three months.
Three months.
No crack.
When does one crack?
What?
Three months?
What was that?
Well, when do you crack the first night?
I think it depends on where your boundaries are, you know?
Ooh, that's a good one.
Wait, wait, that depends on who.
It depends on where your boundaries are.
For me, I cracked.
Have you ever cracked?
But just to be quick, let me start first.
Okay.
I've cracked very quickly.
Okay.
See, and that's where your boundaries are.
Very quickly.
I've cracked first day, first couple hours.
So I'm not going to judge you if you've cracked quickly.
I've cracked quickly.
Cracked.
They cracked.
If there's an attraction going, if there's no way to do it.
But is it I cracked her?
She's the one with the crack.
Did she crack me?
She cracked you.
And I cracked her.
Yes.
Mutually.
We cracked.
You could have also cracked what she was using with you.
Cardinal knowledge.
Cardinal knowledge.
Okay.
So three months.
Yeah.
Have you had carnal knowledge before?
Yes.
And those were with my boyfriend.
My boyfriend that I actually dated for both over a year.
How long until they cracked?
I'd say, okay, no, that's fine.
I'd say like four months into the relationship.
You said you had two boyfriends?
Two boyfriends.
Okay, so the first one was four months.
Yes.
And then the second one.
Around the same time, like four or five months.
Four months.
This guy really, he was at the end of the finish line.
This most recent friends with benefits.
He just had one more month to go and you guys would have been there.
Oh, you see, no, you totally.
We weren't dating.
We were never dating.
Like, I make my boyfriends wait a little bit too.
Like, I will not just crack them just before we're dating.
Like, I meant like four months into the relationship.
But with this recent one, we never even got there.
So, okay, with the relationships, you're saying there was a period of time before you considered it the start of the relationship when you were dating.
Is that with your boyfriends?
Is that what you're saying?
Wait, can you?
Well, you said you make your boyfriends wait too.
And you said it was four months, four months about.
Yeah.
But are you saying that, okay, there's a period of time before you're officially boyfriend, girlfriend where you were dating your boyfriends too, also?
So, like, okay, let's say you meet the person and then like a month in, you're like, we're boyfriend, girlfriend.
So would it be five months until the crack cracked?
Cracked?
Well, I don't crack in.
I don't really consider like the time I met them before.
Like, I just like, I don't know.
I don't have like a dead timeline.
I don't think you can put a timeline on it of the two boyfriends.
How long did you hang out with them before they were your boyfriend?
Like two, three months each.
Okay, so you got to add two to three months to the cracking.
Okay, so like waiting time period.
Half a year.
Half six months.
Okay, so let's say, yeah, six months.
Is that bad?
Okay, so he was three months away this guy.
He had another half of the race to go.
All right.
Okay.
Nothing's bad.
It's just your own preference.
It's your preference.
Yeah.
I think everyone has different personal preferences.
You can meet one person and be comfortable having sex with them within the first week of meeting them.
And you can meet another person and then need a lot more time getting to know them.
You know, some connections are just different.
Yes.
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How long do you typically wait before the krakening happens?
Typically, I would say until I feel comfortable enough with that person that I feel safe with them.
Now, can that happen within like three hours?
No.
Not for me.
No.
24 hours?
No.
48 hours?
No.
I mean, I'm not going to put a time limit on it and say typically a couple months, but have you cracked quick?
I've cracked quick.
I have.
I have.
Quick crack.
Right.
And I realized it wasn't for me.
A quick crack.
And I realized it wasn't for me.
It wasn't for you.
Okay.
What about you?
How long do you typically wait before having carnal knowledge with?
I don't have like statistics on this.
I'm not looking for an exact amount.
Obviously, it's going to differ a little bit from guy to guide, but like your recent boyfriend, your current boyfriend, how long until he's not going to give a timeline, but I always wait a while.
Like three days or what are we talking about?
Like months.
Months?
Yes.
Has that always been your standard?
Yes.
Really?
Can I add something?
Of course.
I also don't think there's anything wrong with having casual sex.
I think it's all personal preference and it's all what you are comfortable with and what your partner is comfortable with.
I think, yeah, I think that there's no like, you don't have to wait a certain amount of time.
It's whatever you feel, like your boundaries, your morals, whatever you feel is right.
I slightly disagree.
So I think a quick crack is fine.
Okay.
You want a quick crack?
Quick crack.
So you agree with that?
Do you think that's fine?
Well, I disagree with the casual part.
I think if you sleep with somebody, whether you're a man or a woman, there should be some moving towards a relationship.
Yeah, yeah, like that should be, even if you guys sleep together quick, that should hopefully be the intention for both of you.
I think it's personal preference, right?
Some people can do casual sex.
Some people can do casual sex.
That's not me personally, but like some people out there, like they're comfortable with that.
And we call them hoes.
The casual sex I have is with girls.
The intimate sex I have is with men.
So all of the filming I have with guys on my platform is all intimate because I don't want to have sex with a guy.
Because guys don't know where to touch us in the right places at the right time.
You need someone you can trust.
You could teach him.
I mean, yeah, and I have, of course.
But like with a woman, I think sex is more fun, casual, because nine times out of ten, we all know what we like and you know what you're doing.
Even if you think you don't, you do.
Yeah.
It's not for everyone.
Casual sex is not for everyone, but I'm not one to judge other people for what they do with their sex life.
I personally like my When talking about myself, like that's not for me, but I would never judge another woman for having just like a casual sexual relationship with someone else.
What do you think about fuckboys?
Just do your thing.
Anyone, you know, fuckboys is like a, it's like a term, right?
But like, then we could say that girls do the same thing.
Like, there's a lot of people that like sleep around like that, like fuckboys and then like girls that sleep around as well.
So I would say there's like a double standard there.
Like, you know?
But like, yeah, no judgment.
It's just not my thing.
Well, there's a double standard because it's objectively harder for men to get laid.
They kind of have to have some sort of like charisma.
Charisma and Laid 00:02:46
They have to be rich.
They have to be something.
They have to have some sort of game where it's like for women, it's like, it's like, it's always available for us, you know?
Does anybody disagree with her?
Nobody?
Okay.
Interesting, interesting.
Mary, pull up Twitch really.
Actually, no, I just have to do the intro.
We got to do the intro.
So let's do that.
All right, guys.
Let's see.
What's the first thing we have to do?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Quick public service announcement: I'm the founder of the non-profit and grassroots movement, Big Labia Matter, or BLM for short.
I'll labia camera until Big Labia Matter.
As someone who only dates women with large labia, this is a very important issue for me.
10,000 women undergo labia plasty procedure a year in the USA alone.
You know, there's a lot of stuff going on.
There's stuff with ICE, the illegal immigration, deportations.
There's the conflict about maybe going to pop off with Iran, Middle East, fucking Venezuela did pop off.
Fucking Ukraine still happening.
Fucking the files, all that shit.
This is the labia plasty thing, that's really the pressing issue of our time.
That shit is just a distraction.
They're trying to distract you from the real issues.
Okay.
I wanted that surgery at one point in my life.
For the labia?
Yep.
You're rocking.
I'm rocking.
Have you ever been questioned for you?
Well, any other that takes a lot of courage, by the way, to admit that me too.
Any other women have an Audi, as they're called?
An Audi?
Yes.
Okay.
Have you guys ever experienced shame?
No, genuinely.
No.
No.
I've got a great compliment.
Has a guy ever said an inconsiderate thing?
No.
No.
I've heard from some women that they get a little bit of, you know, some shame for it.
You'd think with my platform, I would as well, but I really don't.
No.
A guy told me who wants a sandwich without any meat in it.
I'll take that.
I like that.
That's a good one.
I like that.
I'm going to steal this.
It was my ex-husband.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
That's interesting.
Who looks like me, by the way, apparently.
But yeah, you know what grinds my gears though?
Some women labia fish.
Like they claim they have an Audi, but they don't.
That bothers me.
I've met girls that think that they do.
But they don't.
And I'm like, what?
What are you talking about?
And he's like, it's there.
And I'm like, no, girl.
No.
You don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's kind of similar.
Like, it's a body dysmorphia or something.
Like, you know how somebody who might be like anorexic or bulimic and they think they're fat, but they're like really skinny.
I feel like that's the same.
Like these girls think they have an Audi, but they don't.
It's like maybe it's a MIDI at best.
Yeah.
I'm embarrassed to ask this, but what is big labia?
Like, what does that look like?
Because I like, I can just draw it.
I would appreciate that.
Eod, thank you for the gifted five memberships.
Appreciate it.
Anyone else wondering?
You could follow the link in my bio.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Sorry, it was appropriate.
Mary, pull up the photo.
Yeah, find it in the Discord.
We'll show you a sandwich representation of what's an under me.
I think it's media or memes.
I'm pretty sure it's media.
But okay, so this is your postmaster.
And then there's the lips that are here.
Uh-huh.
Just below.
So this is your postmaster.
Yes.
And then underneath, you have your lips where your keyhole is.
Yeah.
All right.
Go ahead, Sean.
You can see them.
They're visible.
It's right there.
It was my middle one.
Yeah, I don't know what they're trying to do with C, but yeah, so A, any, B, Audi.
And it's nothing to do with, it's just your body's biology.
It's nothing to do with how often you true.
Yeah, no, that's true that's another gender name.
Some people say, oh, if you have an Audi, you've been ran through.
No, you could be a virgin, have an Audi.
You could have fucked 10,000 dudes and have a total any.
So good times.
I feel less confused.
Thank you for the clarification.
You're very welcome.
Very welcome there.
But yeah, there's some labia fishing going on.
And it is, yeah, so, anyways.
Why is that your preference?
Like, do you know why?
Do I know why with the underlying reason?
Do you want you want the details?
Yes.
I mean, it's pretty basic.
I think, look, it's not a deal breaker for girl has in any, but I would say this.
I think it feels better, it looks better.
I'll just leave it at that.
Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.
I love that.
Aesthetically, I think it looks better.
Like lips that grip, if you want to get detailed, and then feels better.
Just saying.
All right.
Thank you.
You're welcome, I guess.
What else was there, Marrington?
Marrington, the Kanye.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Pull that up.
I ratioed Kanye on this topic.
He said that labia plasties should be government-issued, and I ratioed him.
He deleted it, though.
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Why Reparations Matter 00:03:22
You know what I mean?
No?
Yeah.
We got some.
We have a Chinese woman.
We have.
I'm Indian.
You're Indian.
Black, Indian, Latina.
Okay, you guys can all be my Caucasian.
Right?
Like, for example, I can only ask you this.
Okay.
Could I be your.
I'm not going to say it.
Yes, you can.
But can here.
You fill in the blank.
Can I be your.
You want me to say?
You fill in the blank.
Can I be your.
Can I be, as a white man, can I be your.
Yes.
See?
She can be my Caucasian.
There it is.
By the way, just curious since I brought it up, I guess.
Who here is a bit more, by the way, no, no shade, a bit more liberal, more liberal politically?
Anybody?
Come on.
Just you?
Oh, boy.
Really?
No, liberal?
You're a Trump voter?
Okay.
No, I would say I'm neutral when it comes to it.
I take a neutral stance.
Just you?
What about your girlfriend?
She's a Trump supporter.
Well, I can't even vote.
I'm not a citizen.
Oh, that's right.
But it's just about your stance on the issues, I think, is what he's asking.
Yeah, yeah.
Even if you can't vote, you probably might lean politically.
Yeah, probably more liberal.
More liberal.
What do you guys think about reparations?
In favor?
Mahi?
Did I say your name right?
Yeah.
Into the mic?
Reparations, I mean I understand the concept, but I guess it's not really my place to say.
I don't know.
Well, of course it's your place to say.
Of course.
It hasn't been anything.
Nothing's been done to Indians.
No, but should we pay reparations to African Americans?
What is the term foundational?
African.
I don't know what.
Should we pay reparations to African Americans in this country?
No.
It's not a very liberal.
I just, I feel like we should acknowledge that they were at a very big disadvantage for most of our history.
And like.
So you're anti-reparations?
I'm not anti-I just, it's literally not my place.
Like, I don't know.
I mean, I know some people believe in it, but I feel like no one really says that.
Like, it's not like people are going up to white people saying you owe me money.
No, but like, you know, there were, well, sometimes.
Who's anybody in favor of reparations?
I'm out of love if that happens.
If I got it, I'd be like, yeah, give it to me.
Nobody?
Really?
Damn, I was trying to hook you up.
I was going to.
Nobody.
Who has some cash on them?
Anybody have cash?
Give this girl some fucking reparations.
Can you rephrase for me?
Black History Month.
Please rephrase.
Please rephrase.
I have, like, what you're saying.
In the United States, there was slavery of black people.
Of course, yes.
And American.
Yes.
And this, you know, and there were obviously.
It's actually Black History Month, isn't it?
I think so.
It is.
Even better, this is why those of you who do have cash on you ought to go get some money.
But obviously there were other grievances that African Americans experienced throughout even after slavery ended.
And continue to.
And so for this reason, there is an argument that African Americans should be paid some sort of amount of money to make up for the term is reparations.
For the trauma.
For the long-standing.
Want Cash Now? 00:09:34
100%.
That should be happening.
Yeah.
There was like a promise that black people would get 100 acres and a mule back, like, you know, when slavery was abolished or whatever.
And it just never happened.
Oh, Mr. Pickles, thank you for the, it looks like you bought something on the merch store.
Thank you very much, man.
Appreciate it.
You could have done a message, but thank you for looks like you maybe bought two shirts or a shirt and a hoodie.
So thank you very much, man.
Appreciate it.
No, nobody's gonna.
Okay, well, how about this?
Related to money, who has cash on them?
On them?
Cash, you got cash?
You got cash?
No, on this output.
No, no, no.
Like in your purse?
You got cash?
Anybody else have cash like in your purse?
Like a few dollars.
A few bucks, you got cash, you got cash.
Cash.
My.
Am I saying your name right?
Yeah.
Cash.
No cash.
Really?
Cash.
Here.
Okay.
Every time I say really, you fill in the blank for me, okay?
Really?
My nikke.
No, not.
Don't get rid of my.
You get cash.
Oh, really?
Nikki?
Yes.
For the rest of the show, let's do that.
Okay.
All right.
Black History Month, everybody.
I'm wielding power right now.
Okay, so.
Well, I want to do.
By the way, you're the only one here who has OnlyFans.
Is that correct?
Nobody else here has OnlyFans or has ever done OnlyFans?
I have a page.
I just never posted anything.
I never posted anything.
I just made it to look.
That probably doesn't count.
There was an attempt many years ago.
Nothing ever got posted.
It was supposed to be for nude yoga and feet stuff.
Oh, then go through with it.
Nude yoga and feet.
Yes.
Did you record nude?
No, I tried and I didn't like how I looked.
It never got posted.
No, you would have done so well.
Yes.
Why are you camping?
Wait, hold on.
Virgin Mormon was attempted.
Contemplating nude yoga feet pictures.
Yeah, is that a problem?
Well, it's kind of like the, for example, let's say you've never even smoked a cigarette or never even tried weed once.
When it comes to drug use, I think there's like a escalation.
So with drug use, it would be, well, maybe they smoke weed.
And then you usually don't jump right into like mainlining heroin as your first drug.
Yes.
Like usually you smoke some cigarettes, you smoke some weed, you did cocaine, you find whatever.
And then not to say logically, it's of course possible.
Like yes, you never smoked weed once, but you went straight to mainline, like doing fucking fentanyl or some shit, right?
Logically, it's possible.
Practically, it's pretty close to pretty close to being very unlikely.
So it's like, for me, I think you don't go from chaste, Mormon, virgin, waiting until marriage.
Like usually before you get into sex work.
You have sex before you get into that.
I feel like there's a little bit like, okay, there's some degree of promiscuity.
You're like having one-night stands.
Not to say, again, it's logically possible a woman could be a virgin on OnlyFans.
It's logically possible that, you know.
But it seems like the escalation ladder from virgin, chaste, religious, LDS, Mormon, Christian.
I don't know.
This is when I was practicing different religions and I was questioning things.
Can I ask?
Was it lockdown?
Was it COVID?
It was around COVID, yeah.
Yes.
Yep.
That'll do it.
And I wanted money.
When you say you're a virgin, you're not like born again.
Not born again.
No, no, that's BS.
It's not BS.
I mean.
So proper virgin.
Proper.
I haven't had sex.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
I have a question for you.
Sure.
What's your stance on OnlyFans?
What's my stance on OnlyFans?
I mean, it's quite detailed.
Let me come to that in just a moment.
Where was I going with the OnlyFans thing?
Oh, who here has cash?
Who's down to...
So, okay, really quick, I'll answer your question in a moment.
When you say it's cash, I don't have, like...
I'll take British pounds.
It's in the bank, mainly.
Do you guys have Euros?
No, you're not.
No, it's British pounds.
I'm still doing pounds.
Yes, but I get paid in.
I will take Euros.
I will take British pounds.
So here's what I'm going to do.
So I feel like as women, y'all get, men will just buy you shit.
Men will give you gifts.
Sometimes a guy, you could, you don't even have to be a sex worker.
Some simp guy will just be like, here's $100 just because you have a vagina.
Well, he's doing that because he wants to get laid by that girl.
Well, sometimes there's like pay pigs that have no expectation of ever sleeping with you.
She's shaking her head.
Have you had that experience?
Some guy, because you're an attractive person.
That's like a minority, isn't it?
Yeah, maybe they've had some guys just be like, oh, here's 50 bucks.
Have you had that?
Yeah.
What was the story?
Tell us what happened.
Really no story, honestly.
But they kind of like just hit me up on social media and with absolutely no expectation, they'll say something, be like, oh, let me send you money.
Just like straight up.
And then you wouldn't really have, I've never done anything with these guys, never sent them anything.
I don't even talk to them, but they'll just like random times of the day.
You don't even have to ask.
They'll just like send you money.
Sometimes it's just like worship.
How much though?
How much have you gotten?
I'd say like total.
Not that much, because at one point it messed with like my mental health and I cut them off.
Like I didn't feel right.
Even though I wasn't doing anything, I didn't like the fact that like I was receiving money from random people because I didn't like really need it.
It was just more so like, oh, like sure.
But then it got to me in the head.
But within the course of like two months, I'd say probably like a few hundred dollars total.
Nothing crazy.
How many about, how many different guys would you say sent you sent like how many of pay pigs I had or yeah, like how many like three, four, five guys or less?
No, it was like two.
Two guys.
Yeah, just two.
And they contacted you on Instagram or they reached out to me on TikTok because I would post like videos off the little dances.
I just post like lip sync like face videos.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
I don't post any like explicit content.
And I respect for anyone who does, like, that's not my business.
But yeah, they just reach out to you on that.
Okay.
Pretty much any platform is like possible.
Why was it messing with your mental health?
Because I just like didn't like that I was even in contact with men like that in general.
Like it was just like, okay, like.
Sure.
Did you have to send them pictures like of your feet or anything like that?
I never sent them anything.
I think like it was just them knowing that like they were able to like provide for me or whatever like made them feel better.
But you would like text them and stuff.
No, I honestly wouldn't.
It would just even hide or how's it going?
Well, if they asked, I'd respond, but I never initiated anything.
I see.
You would give kind of maybe dry responses.
Dry responses and then like they'll send money.
Yeah, it was purely transactional, I would say.
Well, I want to do a role rehearsal.
So as a little bucket list thing so that you as women, many of you have, maybe you didn't take them up on the offer, even if you don't do OnlyFans, but you've maybe been offered, oh, let me be your sugar daddy.
Let me send you money.
Send me, maybe you have, whatever it is.
I want those of you who have cash right now.
I want some cash.
Just for existing as a man.
I want.
So who's going to do it?
You're going to do it?
You're going to do it.
Who had the cash?
You had the cash?
No, I said no.
You had the cash.
I'm the nose goes.
I'm nosing the ghost.
That's the worst I can do.
You got cash?
Yes.
Because women, y'all have the experience of men simping for you.
I want to give you a taste of the reverse.
I want y'all to see.
Yeah, but I don't demand it like that.
You just demanded it.
I don't do that.
Yeah, I'm financially dominating right now.
Fin dumb.
This is FinDum.
This is.
Get up.
Give me some freaking cash.
Yes, daddy.
Oh.
Good girl.
Go ahead.
Up you go.
Go ahead.
It might not even be that.
I'm being serious.
I'm dead serious, by the way.
No.
It's mine.
I earned it.
You're loss.
Okay.
Would you feel better if I went up and gave you a 10?
I think I have a 10 on me.
He would.
He would probably fold it up somewhere.
All of it.
I'm an all or nothing kind of guy.
You know, I'm not going to be wish on the fence.
You know, with dating too.
I'm not like wishy-washy with a girl.
I don't know.
It's like all in.
Let's go.
We're together.
When it comes to your money, all in, let's go.
That's my money now.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
How much?
You got what?
12?
There's the 20 and there's a 10.
I've got 30.
I will take the 30.
Do I get up, guys?
No, don't get up, girl.
Think of this as a tithe, okay?
Oh, no.
This is a Mormon church.
Well, you offered, so you have to get up.
That is true.
I asked him if he would feel better.
Yeah, I do have a few books.
An ultimatum.
Just a few books.
Are you going to, do you want to, should Mary get your purse for you so you don't even have to get up?
Girl, there's people in the chat giving him money now.
You don't need to, he's fine.
Oh, no.
I'm a starving college student.
Yeah.
But I asked you if it would make you feel better, and you did not say yes.
Is this yours, Mary?
She feels better.
Oh.
All right.
Thank you for the fucking $8.
What a pick-me.
Yeah.
Why is she giving you money?
All right.
Okay.
Well, that seems like a no-go.
Okay, moving on then.
You had a question for me.
Go ahead.
OnlyFans Frauds and Relationships 00:15:18
What is your stance on OnlyFans?
What is, I mean, it's big, but so, okay.
Generally, I would say I think as a general idea, I think porn is bad for society.
I think it's bad for the individual people who do it.
I think it's bad for the consumers.
I think it's moving us towards, I guess, a greater, more degenerate society.
Now, I want to balance this with, I think somebody who, like a man, for example, or even a woman who consumes porn in moderation, I think some of the harms of porn consumption are overstated.
Now, if you're addicted to porn and it has massive impacts on your relationship, I think that's bad.
My personal view, though, I don't believe if I'm in a relationship with a girl and it's not like long distance and we're seeing each other regularly, I don't watch porn in a relationship.
Don't think you should be masturbating in a relationship.
You should save that for your partner.
If you're not in a relationship, then whatever.
You're fucking, you're not seeing somebody.
You want to watch something 30 minutes, an hour, whatever.
That's fine.
Do you believe that for all relationships or just are you talking about your personal relationships?
Well, I mean, I'm talking for my personal relationships, but I would be prepared to prescriptively say I think porn consumption in men or women is going to be harmful for the relationship.
Now, even outside of a relationship, I would say porn consumption will be generally harmful to you as an individual also and will have downstream impacts on future relationships.
I mean, and it can manifest in different ways.
It could either be this person, whether man or woman, has an expectation of either how sex should be or how attractive somebody should be.
And this would go both ways.
It would apply to men and women.
Women who consume porn, typically, they're watching really degenerate stuff.
They're watching really rough, violent sex.
And it's like, I think the average guy, you women have basically bullied men into this rough sex thing, which I think is a bit peculiar.
Look, if people have kinks, if you want to be choked a little bit, you want your hair pulled, you want to be spanked, whatever, that's fine.
But some of this shit, I feel like it can be a little intense.
I don't know.
Mary laughed.
And you don't think men are watching the extreme stuff?
Well, men are definitely watching extreme stuff too.
But women watch in terms of what women consume, it's like a lot of it's like really rough stuff and like having an expectation in a relationship that a guy does this.
Look, I mean, look, people have their fetishes, kinks.
There's a degree of, look, if it's consensual, it's fine.
There's some stuff that I think is probably okay.
Other stuff I don't.
But so there's that component.
But, okay, now, as far as OnlyFans goes, OnlyFans is another layer, though.
So all that stuff I just referenced about the nudity, I personally, like, the nudity, I don't think is that big of a deal.
Like, I can sit here and say it's generally probably bad for society.
I think it's bad to be consuming.
It's bad for the individual.
Probably bad.
That's kind of when it comes to OnlyFans.
It's not that big of a deal.
Like, watching is not that big of a deal or partnerships.
Like some girl taking a fucking picture of her poster or whatever.
I don't really care that much about that.
So my, because my criticism of OnlyFans goes beyond the nude content production component.
Okay.
Because I think some people can make compelling arguments for the acceptability of nude content.
They're going to make free speech arguments.
You're not going to be able to, it's going to be very difficult to, for example, pass laws to prevent people from producing nude content.
So from a politically tenable position, I think probably most likely pornography is here to stay.
I don't think there's really going to be an avenue political.
I mean, never say never.
There's all kinds of political things that we can do to potentially ban it.
But I think it's unlikely that it will be challenged from the political angle.
So I'm kind of less concerned about that.
I think some of the harms are overstated.
But with OnlyFans, I think the bigger thing is, which I think is completely indefensible, is the scam component of OnlyFans.
So it's one thing if you're a porn producer, like, okay, you know, you're making nude content, whatever, whatever.
But the scam component is, and there's a couple different components.
So we have one OnlyFans girl here.
Do you have a management company?
Manage myself by the way a lot of women who and who do only fans even if they I'm also a creative director.
Even if they do have a management company, even if they do have a typer or chatter, they're not going to admit that they do have one.
So the scam component of OnlyFans is twofold.
One is if you make a representation on your OnlyFans platform, you're talking to me, the girl.
You're talking to me.
I have a friend that's responding to all my messages right now, and the only things that are being sold are just like pre-made videos.
Right.
So my position would be that's some degree of fraudulent activity.
Oh, no, she's saying, she's saying Lola is on whatever.
You can go and see her now.
Well, that's different.
So it wouldn't be fraudulent if you disclose to the person, the person you're communicating with who is paying money to engage in messaging, you're not talking to the girl.
You're talking to this person who makes $5 a day in the Philippines.
Some accounts, I would say.
And who's typically a man?
Now, now they're probably using AI, I would imagine, to do all the typing and chatting.
But so these OnlyFans girls, who many of them, some of them, especially the higher earning ones.
I have to prove myself with voice notes.
I literally voice note every day.
Well, you could.
Because people, there's so many girls that are out there.
You could pepper those in, and then like 95% of the other work is some dude in fucking the Philippines making $5 an hour.
You don't know about this?
The typers and chatters?
No.
You don't know about typers and chatters.
So it's the way women on OnlyFans make money is through messaging.
Understand.
Right.
Obviously.
And so there's this component and messaging sometimes with dozens, hundreds, and even thousands of different people.
One person typically, especially.
Unless you have a VIP page.
So on my free page, I had like 19,000 fans, and it was genuinely just you buy something from the wall and I'm probably not going to talk to you because how the hell am I supposed to do it?
Well, even if you don't do it, this is still true for most OnlyFans girls.
I know, I know it is.
I know for fact.
So I mean also it's like how are you going there fucking online 24 7 constantly was Or they'll buy a video and it's meant to be like nude and then it's going to be them like covering up the girls.
With like little pieces of tape and stuff and it's just, yeah, it's inauthentic.
I think.
Or there's some girls, like recently I've heard there's some girls that are doing OnlyFans that don't even enjoy sex and they're not doing it for that reason.
I'm like, girl, if you don't enjoy your job, get a new job.
What are you doing?
So you enjoy what you're doing then?
Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, I have sex for pleasure.
I masturbate for pleasure.
My videos are authentic and real.
And yeah.
But don't you feel some amount of shame that you're doing this?
I feel no shame.
No shame.
Oh, why not?
I'm sorry.
I just don't.
You don't have to.
So let's just finish off the point here.
So there's the typer chatter fraud where you're basically, look, if you're a company and you could say, like, let's say Justin Bieber offered up a service for his fans, not a sexual thing, but not on OnlyFans.
But like, hey, if you pay $50 a month or you pay for individual messages, you can actually be corresponding with me.
And that's the advertisement.
And it turns out that it actually wasn't Justin Bieber who was actually talking to his fans.
It was an assistant.
Maybe somebody overseas.
This would open Justin Bieber up to a lawsuit for fraud.
So that's one of the components of fraud with OnlyFans.
The other component of fraud is that this is even a deeper level, which I think is more insidious, is the women are a lot of women on OnlyFans claim to be single, but they're actually in relationships.
So they claim to be single and they do what I consider a romance scam.
They sell a girlfriend experience and they, through the parasocial relationship that they develop with their typically male clientele, they're going to bait these men into thinking that they are developing and building a relationship,
a romantic relationship with the man in an effort to siphon money from them without any actual genuine intention of like dating the guy, but they lead these men on as if, yes, I will, you know, we're pursuing it and they will do as much as possible to delay, delay, delay meeting.
And then they try to siphon as much money as possible under the guise of, oh, we're dating.
We're in a relationship.
So that's another layer, I think, worse below the one that I just mentioned as to the fraud component.
That's really despicable.
Well, why are you talking about these guys?
Sorry.
And then you can imagine, though, like imagine if it was the reverse.
Imagine if, you know, if you're a man and you induce a woman into a romance scam and siphon money from them, you get a Netflix special made about you.
What was it?
The fucking Tinder swindler?
So it's interesting that we have wholesale, massive scale of romance scam happening on OnlyFans, typically in the direction of men, that basically just is accepted.
People are just like, oh, they deserve it.
They're stupid.
I take a bit, perhaps a bit more empathetic approach to these men.
I think most of these men tend to be incredibly lonely, incredibly desperate.
To some degree, yes, buyer beware, but they're being misled by these women.
I'm a companion to a lot of guys that I talk to, and I genuinely love chatting to them.
I think that you like chatting to them.
Yes, I do.
I video chat.
I voice note.
I like, yeah.
How much do you charge for that?
I'm not disclosing my prices.
You do charge for it, though.
Yes, I do.
Yeah.
But that's trying, like, you know, it's not something that I'm forcing anybody to do.
I'm not forcing it.
They come to me and I provide a service.
But maybe if they're like their widows or they have disabilities.
You're single, right?
I am.
Do you know any, are you aware of this phenomenon?
Do you know any OnlyFans girls who claim they're single, but they're actually married?
But they don't say that publicly?
Or they actually have a long-term boyfriend?
I guess.
I don't think these guys are the victims you're making them out to be.
I think they need to live in reality at some point.
Like they know what they're getting into.
They willingly sent their money to like someone on the internet.
I have a question.
Well, I mean, real talk.
So I'm not taking full accountability away from them.
So I think as a man, I mean, with any sort of purchase, there's a degree of buyer beware.
Although that actually isn't totally the legal standard, like corporations have a duty to not mislead their customers.
So yes, yeah, they should have some diligence when it comes to this.
But I think you have to understand a lot of men can be very naive, especially men with minimal or no dating experience.
Maybe it's some older men.
Right, but an OnlyFans model?
Like, that's like thinking the stripper actually likes you.
That's like thinking the waitress actually flirted with you.
Sure, but you're you.
But that's the game.
That's the game that the OnlyFans girls are playing.
And like, do you think that that is the biggest issue with OnlyFans?
It's like you said, like, this is worse, like, this is next level, right?
When don't you think the first level, the worst level, is OnlyFans just existing in the first place?
Because that's misleading men to seek validation and security in something that is not going to be present.
It's an artificial sense of security.
So, personally, I'm going to disagree with you.
I think that the existence of porn in general leads men to believe that they're going to find a sense of security in a woman who is getting monetary gain out of it when they're getting nothing but getting deeper into the fucking rabbit hole that's pushed onto them by the oversexualization of everything in society.
And OnlyFans is like the peak of that.
Well, but so my because OnlyFans is unique in the sense that it's adult content, adult content packaged with the parasocial actual, like for example, before OnlyFans, if a girl was a porn star, like the consumer did not have access to them on a parasocial level.
So absent OnlyFans, there was porn before OnlyFans.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying it's tied to that.
But you're saying the nude content is the issue.
I agree.
It is an issue.
But the unique issue I have with OnlyFans is the frauding, the frauding, the typer, the chatter, the messaging, but it's not actually them.
But then the girlfriend experience where they're siphoning money from men who these women are misleading them to believe that a relationship is being developed when there actually isn't a genuine intention on the woman's part to actually see through that relationship.
They just know, like, for example, if a girl's in love with me, if I was inclined to be a piece of shit, it's really easy for me to manipulate a woman.
It's easier for me, much easier for me, to manipulate a woman who's in love with me than a woman who's not.
It's much easier for me to siphon money from a woman.
Not that I'd ever do this unless you're on the podcast.
I could definitely siphon money from a woman who was in love with me.
Of course.
Versus just some random woman on the street.
And so with their girlfriend experience that they do on this thing, they do lead the men down this.
We're building a relationship.
And for a guy who has very little dating prospects, maybe the only attention they're getting from a woman, positive attention, is this OnlyFans girl.
It's really easy to make that guy get really invested in the woman.
Why is your biggest issue with how it's affecting the men and not the fact that a bunch of girls are getting groomed before they turn 18, like the minute they turn 18 to start an OnlyFans?
I reject the premise.
Quick, easy money.
I don't understand.
I don't know why you're bringing it to this underage thing.
Although, look, well, first off, in order to be on OnlyFans, you have to be of age.
Now, yes, there are some women who like, it's my 18th birthday, gonna drop the OnlyFans right on my 18th birthday.
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That does happen, but the majority of women on OnlyFans is not always a first choice.
The majority of women on OnlyFans are not being sex trafficked.
They're willingly do it.
They want to be making $100,000 a month.
I mean, not all of them make that much, but they want the quick money.
They want it.
So this idea, I mean, I don't understand your criticism here.
Do I, of the women who are or maybe being trafficked into OnlyFans, do I object to that?
Yes, absolutely.
It's wrong.
However, the majority of women are doing it willingly.
Right, but like, yeah, like, I guess I'm just wondering, why do you think, like, when you talk about your biggest gripe with OnlyFans, you're talking about how it affects the men.
Like, what about how it affects the women's mental state?
Like, they have to deal with talking to weirdos all the time or just the fact that just like these girls probably have like something else going on.
Like, you know, like they don't respect themselves.
That's why they're like selling this content.
Well look, yeah, I mean sure I'd be willing to grant.
It's not that I'd be willing to.
I do in fact grant that women who do sex work, it's harmful to them too.
It's harmful to them too.
I think a lot of women who do sex work actually end up having typically they typically don't while in it or after they leave it, they see a dark side of men sometimes that is not so great.
So that has a negative impact on them.
They've traded their soul for money.
I'm like a nymphomaniac, so I actually love sex if you can Google it or somebody can.
Well, I know what nymphomaniac is, but you can be in.
I love sex.
Well, how do you know you don't have a sex addiction?
I probably do have a sex address.
Hold on, but this is a girl.
It's under safe.
I'm in safety.
A woman can be aniac and not be a sex worker.
So we're getting into a different topic here.
Okay.
You think all nymphomaniacs must be sex workers?
No, no, of course not.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying I enjoy what I do because I believe that I am a bit of a nymphomaniac.
Okay.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't think that I'm going to come away from what I do.
I don't believe I sold my soul.
don't think I'm gonna come away from it like a shell of a woman like I'm genuinely yeah okay you can whatever but yeah How long have you been doing sex work?
I've been on OnlyFans for two years almost.
Is that the only form of sex work that you've done?
Yes.
I need to get up momentarily, but if you guys want, it seemed like you guys wanted to have a bit of back and forth on this.
Feel free to continue.
Yeah, I did love my job beforehand.
I worked with animals and I was doing my veterinary nursing degree, but it doesn't pay well.
And I was being paid a lot for what I was doing and my catwalk shows and my bikini modeling.
I just started to do my work on OnlyFans.
And now when I get my payout and when I retire, I want to open a sanctuary to actually help the animals that I have missed out helping whilst not doing my veterinary.
So do you not have a fear that you're going to age out of the industry?
Like by the time you reach like, I don't know how old you are, but like, how old are you?
I'm 23.
I'm 24 in a couple of years.
Okay, so like by the time you're like 27 plus, they start saying that you hit the wall.
I'm not going to be doing it anymore.
So you have enough money, you think, to retire by then?
Soon.
I hope so.
And I want to open my animal sanctuary.
Wait, why will you not be doing it, do you think?
Just because I might, because I enjoy putting out my own content, I may still do that.
And like to my loyal fans, I probably still, I might like still use my site, but I won't be like hustling as hard as I hustle now.
You said that you it gives you pleasure doing what you do.
Do you think that we should do anything that gives us pleasure?
Is there like a line that you draw there?
Like whatever.
I say that we should, aside from sex, like we should all do what we love because predominantly you're in a job for however many years and all of your week is spent at your work normally.
So I do believe that we should all do something that we love in life.
This is a hard time.
I think that's important.
Question to ask.
Yes, but do you feel Like you're adding like value to society, and that you're like making the correct butterfly effects, you know what I mean?
So that you're not just like other than yourself, but like other people are also being better versions of themselves, you know what I mean?
Like, is that her life purpose?
Are you asking if that's her life purpose?
I do, what I don't like about it is when men go behind their partner's backs to go on to OnlyFans, and like I do, there is a sense of like guilt that I find, and I'm like, Why are you doing that?
Just and they'll be like, Oh, my wife's upstairs, and I'm like, Well, get off this fucking platform.
Like, I don't want to talk to you, like, you know, so yeah, so um, what if, because just to go along with what we were saying, yeah, um, what if do you think that you can something can please you, but be bad for you?
And if that's the case, then should you not do what pleases you in some circumstances?
I respect what you're saying entirely.
Um, like, like anything, like drugs or any addiction that anybody may have, like, it may give them pleasure for an amount of time, but then it could be detrimental to other people around them.
I absolutely understand that, but I feel that what I do is like I don't think I'm, I don't believe I'm hurting anybody, um, and yeah, I'm have not hurt any of my fans yet, they're all happy.
Um, so I've not scammed anyone, nobody's got angry, nobody charges back, I don't have any um, I don't have a bad rep on OnlyFans for being a scammer.
Um, yeah, there's a lot of my friends as well are like are not in the industry.
Um, yeah, I'm not sure.
And I haven't even said my opinion or anything.
I'm just kind of being devil's advocate, but if someone were the only OF girl, so it's only me.
I probably expected this, but I mean, yeah, to an extent.
Yeah.
Um, so if someone was able to convince you that you were harming someone, then in that case, would you think twice about what you do?
Yeah, I would, I would probably rethink if it was something that was genuinely extremely detrimental to somebody's health or their life, then of course I'm so like if a cheating boyfriend does reach out to you and like messages you and be like, oh my girl is upstairs, my wife is upstairs, do you then cut off communication or do you still engage?
I'm just respectfully like curious.
I will cut off conversation if I'm like, okay, this really isn't right.
And like they'll tell me that they have children or whatnot.
And I'm just like, no.
Like genuinely, like, I pick and choose who I talk to because it's actually me talking.
really hard for people to believe but it is um but you don't think sometimes these guys that have partners i'm not gonna like entertain people that if they talk to me like shit if they come on and you're like and they like are very vulgar and they're calling me names or they want me to do certain things that i'm not comfortable with i would never do it I have my own boundaries and yeah, that's important.
Can we all agree that people in general, not just women, but women and men, should do whatever makes them happy as long as it's not hurting themselves or other people?
I agree.
No, I'm sorry, I don't know.
I feel like sex work has been a thing for like centuries.
Like women were getting exploited.
Like there was prostitution.
It's been there for so long.
I feel like OnlyFans, honestly, I could say is like a kind of good thing because women are finally being able to take control of what they want to do.
They're not getting exploited like they were on like Pornhub or anything like that.
And like OnlyFans was created by a woman because she wanted like women creators who owns it now.
No, I have no idea.
Isn't it kind of like a pyramid Jewish person who donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Israel war right now?
Yeah, the whole purpose of it.
I'm just saying like it's like sex work will always be a thing.
At least now women are finally getting something out of it.
Like they're getting what they deserve.
Also, honestly, like OnlyFans and Pornhub, there honestly might be a better option because women aren't having to meet men in person.
Obviously strip clubs are still a thing.
But if you're not, if you don't want to do that, like there's still a way you can do that.
It might be more ideal than other forms of sex work.
And I would like.
But sex work will always be a thing.
It's under first sense.
But you can still have a standard or like you can still think it's harmful to society.
And just because it's also what is that going to do?
I don't know.
I don't disagree that it's always been a good thing.
Yeah, but so has murder.
But that doesn't make murder okay.
But no matter what you do, you'll never get rid of like sex work.
Yeah, even if she sets her boundaries, these men are just going to find someone else who doesn't.
Yeah, and I think that's what I think.
Yeah, I think there's individual responsibility that we should place on the men who are consuming it.
Absolutely.
And I think there's responsibility because I'm of the belief that sex work is wrong in any form or type.
Correct.
So I think that there's a tremendous amount of responsibility for those who are producing it as well.
So, and just because something's been here for a long time, I don't think that necessarily means like, okay, well, let's just turn a blind eye or support it.
It's just at least these women aren't being exploited as they were.
I think they are, but they're exploiting themselves.
But they're choosing.
But they're choosing to do something.
But just because you choose to do something doesn't make it exploitative.
But some people would say that people that go to work for 12 hours a day and they work potentially like on a building site or in construction.
I do believe that they're doing their bodies a dishonor.
And I'll probably live a longer, more healthy and happier life than those people.
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Okay.
Yeah, and that's true.
I think.
Thank you, Brian.
Yeah, and it's also about hard work too.
It's not about like being lazy and just taking a picture of your tits.
Oh, girl, it's, I promise you, it's not that.
A part of me kind of wishes I could have your moral compass because if I did, if I wasn't mean, if I was like you or had a part of like, you know, your moral compass, I would have done my OnlyFans thing, like I mentioned.
I would have done the nude yoga.
I would have full sent it, but I knew a part of me would have felt destroyed.
And this is just the natural man speaking right now.
But the part of me that's, you know, not godly right now, I just wish I could be like you, but I can't.
And if I tried, it would destroy me.
And like, I feel weird admitting that I'm jealous in a way.
Thank you so much.
Like, there's a Bible verse, and it's interesting that you mentioned animals.
And I have to share it because you've mentioned animals.
The good are kind to their animals, but the good acts of the wicked are considered cruel.
And I'm not calling you wicked, but like, I hope, and I really hope one day you don't wake up and like look at yourself, like the picture of Dorian Grain, realize, oh my gosh, look at me, look at this person I was, and like have like this big regret.
Like if you, like, you're genuinely like, that's your epistemology.
Everything you've said, that's your own epistemology.
Your dating epistemology, your career epistemology.
I respect that, you know.
Thank you.
And I can't, I cannot argue.
And that's coming from two people that are completely polar offices.
Yeah.
And I have my own.
I cannot switch your epistemology with mine despite what I do.
And I've tried.
Wow.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm judging you or anything like that.
I think at the other day we came on here to share our morals and our values.
I was hoping I may have one.
Yeah.
And I respect you as a person.
I don't think that means I need to agree with what you say.
But one of the points you brought up was like the 12-hour workday.
Let's say you're working.
I'm very sorry to influence you.
It's probably good.
I have to move the topic.
Thank you, guys.
I need to get back up, though, here in a moment.
But just while we're waiting, you had some hot takes.
While I step away, I'll let you have a little girl session if you want to dive into that.
I don't remember everything I sent you, but yeah, one thing I did send you was that I think a woman's right to vote should count as three-fifths of a man's vote.
I'll be back.
Why?
Because I don't think women are nearly as competent as men are.
Like, I've been around girls and they say these things like, oh, I don't want to go there.
And I'm like, why?
I've never driven that far before.
I'm scared.
It's like you've never heard a man ever opt out of anything out of fear because they don't have that option to.
I just, or like, you just hear, like, women tend to like rely on men a lot too.
Like, they basically want like a surrogate father figure.
Like, they, they think it's cute to be.
Generalization.
Yeah, but I'm, I am talking generally.
I'm talking about like how women, like most women, honestly, like, they tend to think it's like cute to be weak and incompetent and they want like a man to stereotype them.
But stereotypes are true for a reason.
Like they form for a reason.
It's like pattern recognition.
It's important to not generalize and say like most women, some women, you know?
Well, and competent at what?
Like what are you referring?
You have to be specific there.
Because it is a generalization, but it's hard to say that just women in general aren't competent.
like at what well i just like there's tons of women i know you're You're a woman yourself.
You can start with yourself.
What do you think you're not competent in?
Break it down.
Well, I don't think I'm the most athletic.
So what if I told you I can run a mile faster than my brother, who works out every day?
So she's not going to be able to do that.
I bless you.
I also finished technical college and he didn't.
I'm the first person in my family to do that.
I think there are competent women that exist.
I'm not saying they don't.
Right.
So what's the generalization when there's record-breaking surgery?
And I'm not a feminist.
I'm not a feminist.
But I'm telling you, for me, personally, with my religion, in the Bible, it says God created men and women equal.
Yes, with different roles, different roles in society.
But physically, I'm not as strong as my brother, but I can run faster than him.
That's great.
But to say that it's like almost like three-fourths of a man is almost like derogatory to your own self.
It's almost like some self-projection going on there because I don't think that way.
I don't think some of these other ladies here think that way.
And it's honestly kind of offensive.
You're basically saying we're worth like three-fifths of what a man is.
But do we do the same roles that men do in society?
Like they're most likely to get drafted into war.
Are we?
Not all of wait.
I think it should be different for the war.
There's definitely different gender roles in our society.
Obviously, yeah.
Right.
And you don't think men do more of like the harder work in society?
In this generation, it's honestly starting to break.
Like women are just as good.
So you think like there's a lot of women in blue-collar work?
I wouldn't say blue-collar, but there's in lawyers, doctors, surgeons.
Like women are showing that they're as competent.
It's just how we wrote, like, raised.
But now women are starting to raise stronger women.
And it's like, we can see that we're not.
But you think that's like all women?
You think every single woman is women?
But again, with the generalization, we can't say all women, all men.
There's an exception to every stereotype, to every gender role.
Yeah, I believe that.
I think there's always exceptions to every step.
Exactly.
So we can't say like most women act weak and incompetent and we want a man to provide for us.
So that's not most women.
You don't think women think it's cute to be weak and incompetent.
Maybe that's you, but no, it's not me.
It's me getting fed up and jaded with my own gender acting that way all the time.
What's your idea of a competent woman then?
Right.
I guess someone more rational, someone that doesn't let like fear overtake.
Do you believe in gender roles?
To some extent, yeah.
Do you believe that men are naturally more logical or rational?
I think there are like feminine men out there for sure, but I think on average, yeah, like there's probably more men that are typically more rational than women.
Do you know that scientifically, a woman was created by God to think harder and rationally about situations?
While men, before the age of 26, when their brain, their frontal cortex, is fully developed, they are statistically more inclined to take risks.
That's why a woman can rent a car at a younger age than a man can because her brain develops faster.
I'm just, that's just how it is.
Doesn't mean that he's not going to be accelerated at certain things earlier on in life, but it's like that specific part of the brain with critical thinking and risk assessment is developed much quicker in a woman.
So I'm trying to figure out like where like the logical like ground here is.
Like I said, I'm not a feminist, but it's like just scientifically, it just doesn't make sense.
Well, it's also confusing because you kind of just conceded the point that men on average are probably more rational than this isn't my belief.
I'm just, this is what you had conceded to.
Generalizing.
But you also said in order for a woman to be competent, she needs to be more rational.
So it's like, how do you believe in gender roles?
If you're saying in order for a woman to be competent, she needs to act like a man, which in your opinion is someone who's more rational.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
But I don't know what you're asking.
So are you being?
I'm just saying it doesn't, it's like a con well, it's like you're asking girls to be, or women, to act more like men in your belief in order to be competent.
But you also believe in gender roles and that women should act like women and men should act like men.
I think like, I don't know, I feel like I can't control other people, right?
Like if there's a feminine guy out there, if there's a tomboy out there, like that's just who they are.
Like people, like everyone's their own person, you know?
So if there's a really strong woman, is that just who she is too?
Yeah.
So technically the same, it should apply to both genders, what you're saying about incompetency.
Yeah, I mean, I've definitely met like just really, like, like typically like the quote-unquote incels, like guys that are just like feel really entitled to a girl's affection, but they don't do anything but play video games all day.
Like I think guys like that are incompetent, you know, for one example.
Right.
So stereotypes do exist, but like does that make generalizing okay?
Like what you said earlier about most women being weak and incompetent.
No, I said they liked, they think it's cute to act that way.
Right.
You think it's like it's like weaponized incompetent.
Well, there's no statistic that proves that.
I think it's maybe you need to like if you know more women that act that way, you could say that.
But to generalize.
To generalize a gender and say that most of our gender acts that way, it's offensive.
And I think probably a lot of the women here would take offense to that comment.
And act weak in what way?
Like physically like, I can't lift anything.
Probably because the person is like weak-minded.
I guess weak-minded, yeah.
Okay, so I think it's just vague.
I would disagree with you because I think you definitely can make generalizations, but if you're going to have the stats, right?
No, no, I agree with that.
And then it shouldn't be.
I agree with that.
Well, also, to be fair to women, I do want to point out, like, I do think part of it comes from the fact that it's not just that women aren't encouraged.
They're actually actively discouraged, whether they're good at school or good at their hobbies.
Like, a lot of times, like, the whole concept of male mediocrity, like a guy will be not as talented as a girl, but he gets all the attention because he's a guy.
Like, I do think that there is that in society.
Like, people kind of just push back on women a lot and don't give them enough credit.
I don't think that's true either, really.
I feel like nowadays.
I'm sorry for disagreeing with you on a lot.
But no, I don't feel like men get most of the attention nowadays.
I'd say it's.
I think they get much less.
Yeah, I think they get a lot less.
I would agree.
So I think we also highlight women because usually we don't choose to do, for example, blue-collar work and stuff like that.
So we tend to highlight women who do do those things, like girls or women in STEM.
It's like a novel piece.
Yeah, they want to.
Sweden versus common, which is like male blue collar, right?
It's what you're saying.
Yeah.
There's definitely some cultures, like I can talk like personally, that are like more patriarchal.
So like when a girl gets born, everyone's like kind of like, oh, sucks for you.
But when a guy gets born, like everyone's so excited.
Like, I know it's like that in my culture.
I know I've heard of something called machismo in like Latin culture too.
So I know that is a thing, but I don't know about America.
I mean, that's a thing.
But it's just that.
It's a thing.
It's not like that.
Like, I've had it happen to me in person where like I'm out with my dad and people will say hi and greet him, but not me, you know?
Like, that could be a respect thing, too.
Respectful thing.
Right.
You know, like that happens with me and my dad, but it's like because some men don't like my dad might not want some one of his friends talking to me, you know, and I know that, or they don't want to cross that line, that boundary and make a mistake.
So it's like a respect thing, I think.
I have a question for you.
Going back to like gender roles and stuff like that, do you believe that it should be more socially acceptable and it should be okay for men to show emotion?
Show emotion, how like crying?
Crying, expressing their feelings, emotions besides like anger, you know?
I think it's okay for men to be nurturing and vulnerable, but I don't think men should cry, no.
Do you think women should cry?
Yeah.
Why?
What's the difference between women crying and men crying?
Because I think like men kind of have to, like, I know like in my household, for example, like men kind of like have to make a decision for a household or something.
Like you kind of have to know that this person's like reliable or mentally strong.
So that sounds like a very like culturally based take.
And I'm going to agree with you on that because like, not agreed, sorry, disagree with you on that because I was also raised in a very culturally based family, German, hardcore.
My dad was born there.
He's a sergeant sheriff.
Same exact way.
He was taught men don't cry, boys don't cry.
He is now two divorces later crying doing AA because he didn't express that for all the years he was with me.
And now at the age of 21 with me, I was taught word for word.
I was raised.
I was supposed to go to military school, didn't I?
Because of a surgery, is that men don't cry, get on your toes, stand at attention.
He's now teaching me all these years later, he sat us down.
We just got back from a beautiful trip.
We have a beautiful relationship.
He's apologized for everything he told me.
That was some place where I went wrong because that's how I was raised.
I passed down the generational trauma and it had a huge effect on me to the point where it broke two different marriages.
Because if men don't express their feelings, it comes out in other ways.
Abuse, mistreatment, emotional abuse, whatever it is, divorce.
And later on in life, they have to deal with it.
I've lived that.
I've experienced it.
And it is a very culturally based thing.
Not as much in general American households anymore, but with more traditional families, that's how it works.
But I'm just want to show you what from my perspective and from all the other aspects of my family, because it's happened in other branches of my family, that that's their outcome.
As well as my brother ending up in jail twice.
And anyone suppressing their emotions.
Like as a woman, you know, if we're feeling distressed or our mental health is, you know, not good, we're told to like go to therapy or open up to someone about it or talk about it.
Right.
But like men aren't like openly allowed to cry or allowed to like show emotions.
And like what does that do to a person's mental state?
What is therapy doing for women though?
Like you're just talking in circles about something that's never going to change.
Like what can a therapist really do for you?
They can't change your situation.
That's not true.
You would expect them to hand you a tissue and pat you on the back.
Coping mechanisms and like new ways of looking at it.
They can open your eyes on different perspectives.
Yeah, but there's other ways to do that.
There is other ways to do that.
And I totally respect your view.
If you don't agree with therapy and you don't agree with that for yourself, you know, that's fine.
That's like, I respect your opinion.
But I think to generalize and say that therapy doesn't work is just like, you know, it's another like big generalizing statement because it does work for some people.
It does help some people.
And I feel like if you're talking in circles and you're not getting anywhere, that's a bad therapist.
That's a you problem too because you should be willing to change if you actually want to make a difference in yourself.
There's different ways to help yourself besides therapy.
You know, it's not for everyone.
Some people might go to therapy and be like, you know, this isn't working for me.
I don't feel like I resonate with this.
And then they'll go on and do a different form of something to help with their mental health, whether that's like art or, you know, a different form of expressing themselves, talking to someone that they care about.
Like there's different ways.
Therapy is not the only option.
And I respect people having like their own opinions on that.
But what I was going back to, like that got off topic, is like, I don't think it's healthy for anyone to suppress their emotions and what they are going through.
It's going to lead to bigger problems in the future.
I think you should know how to control your emotions, though.
And I think maybe we should give women a little bit more leeway in terms of, because, I mean, hormonally, we just are different.
Like, there are certain times in the month that I'm crazy and there are certain times where I'm not.
And so I think like there is some validity to that.
And I, I don't, I know, I was raised with a dad who was like very traditional too.
My mom, same.
And I like respect him a lot because of how he controlled his emotions.
And it taught me a lot as well.
So I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to, I don't want to say full-on suppress your emotions, but control them, learn how to control them.
Controlling and suppressing your emotions are two different things.
Regulating is then the next level up from that.
Yeah, and that'll look different for everyone, right?
Yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't want my husband constantly coming to me crying, and I don't think he would want the same for me to him either.
Yeah, that's different.
Yeah, but I think a lot of women would say that, but I don't know that they would necessarily respect a guy that came crying to them about something that, you know.
I 1000% would.
I would think that I would actually see the man as being a lot stronger for being able to open up to me and come to me about something and like express their emotions to me in that way.
I'd see them as being 1000% stronger for that.
Different Approaches to Emotion 00:15:05
So has a man ever cried to you before?
And how did it make you feel?
Many times.
And it made me feel, okay, happy that they were able to come to me and confide in me.
Happy that, you know, they were able to come to me.
I was able to be there for them and listen to them.
And also just like glad that, you know, things are changing in our society so that they didn't feel like that pressure to keep it all pent inside.
It's really important that you're providing that space for a man to come to you because I want to be a therapist.
Oh, yeah.
And male suicides are higher than any other suicide rate.
And I think that it's, yeah, opinions like that of men not being allowed to cry or express themselves that would lead somebody to, yeah.
And I have a question for you.
What would you do if a man that you really cared about, a friend, someone you loved, a family member, came to you crying about something?
Are you going to make fun of them and be like, oh, that's not manly of you?
Or I would never make fun of someone like while they're crying or something like that.
But men aren't supposed to cry, right?
Yeah, I mean, like, I would definitely like ask what's going on and like try to figure out what's going on.
But I have to be honest and admit, like, there is a part of me that would kind of get the ick and be kind of like, ugh, like, what?
Would you think they're weak for crying in front of them?
Yeah, probably.
But when you cry, it's okay.
And you're not weak for that.
Because you're a woman, right?
I guess, like she said, like women have like hormonal stuff going on too, sometimes.
But men also have feelings.
What you're saying right now is emotions.
Their feelings are not valid to cry when we're on our periods.
What?
She asked if it was okay to only cry when we're on our periods.
I think it's definitely okay for men to cry.
But if you're doing, if you're just as emotional as me, it's going to be harder for me to respect you because I need someone around me.
Like, I'm not asking for him to be like my therapist or anything.
But like, I don't know.
I feel like it is harder for a woman to respect a guy if he's just as emotional as her.
And that's why I think like something can be true for a woman.
Like it might be okay for me to constantly cry about things because I just happen to be an emotional person.
But if that was the same for a guy, because he's a guy and this might seem unfair to some people, it's just, it would be harder, at least speaking for myself, it'd be harder to respect him.
Not to say he can't come to me if he ever needs to or he can't be vulnerable because I think vulnerabil vulnerability is like very important in a relationship.
But there is kind of that double standard, if you will, but it just goes back into the different roles.
I'd like to challenge that though, because that gets into different people in different connections.
Every person has different needs and wants in a relationship, in a friendship, whatever.
If you have your own mental health stuff, like say you're struggling with depression, anxiety, whatever, and you're going to your partner a lot crying or, you know, just expressing that to them that you're in like emotional distress, you might not be able to take on the emotional distress of your partner being in that same headspace.
Right.
And I think that's person to person.
That's not like man to woman.
Like the man needs to stand up and be the bigger person.
Like I don't, I just think like if two people are both in mental, like bad mental headspaces, like it's not, it might not work out because I think, but even if they're in an ideal mental headspace, I don't think it changes anything for me.
Like there's variations, but I think there is usually a role.
Like typically, if a man is just as emotional as his partner, then typically she, it's going to be harder for her to respect him.
I think there's like different times you might be going through different things in your life and it might make it, you know, harder to balance.
There's a balance in different relationships, but I think, again, there's usually a general rule that applies.
And I, just from what I've experienced and seen with my girlfriends and stuff, I just find that to be true.
I agree.
That's kind of like a biological thing almost that women are like most women, again, a situational, are like programmed to want to feel safe and protected.
And like, yes, like I said before, I believe that men should be able to cry when they need to express their feelings in a vulnerable space with the right person.
Again, situation to situation.
For me, I don't want a man that's crying every day all the time.
I wouldn't accept that.
That's a personal question.
Exactly, right?
Yeah.
And it's like, that's, for me, that's really rooted on I value masculinity a lot.
Not that I really fully believe to like the stereotypical definitions of that.
But for example, a long time ago, I went on one date with this guy and then I went on another one.
And on the second date, he just started breaking down crying in my arms, like bawling about how he misses his mother that lives in Florida.
And I was out after that because I don't tolerate that because I am more of a strong personality and I don't want the roles in that category to be reversed for myself.
It is a to each their own thing, but I think just biologically, at least I'm stuck to my biological components that that's what I need.
So for some people, it might be different.
The woman might be more masculine and that's a whole nother conversation.
But I am, yeah, just I think it's sad that we're saying that like, well, some people are saying that it's masculine.
It's less masculine to cry.
That's crazy to me.
It's a human emotion.
It's a human emotion.
It's like I'm sweating right now.
And people are like, oh, she's sweating.
You know, like, I'm a human being.
I have sweat pours.
That's kind of like saying girls don't fart or poop.
Exactly.
It's crazy.
Well, they shouldn't.
I wish I didn't, but I do.
Because that's important.
I don't know that.
And I feel like saying that a man who cries, I mean, I understand if it can.
Anybody crying too much is annoying.
Like even from a child.
Trauma dumped.
Like that, you know, there's a time.
There's a time of children.
Did anybody else want to weigh in on the women should have three-fifths of what?
I disagree with that.
What do you think?
I totally disagree with that.
Why is that?
Why do you disagree?
Because it's like women are equal to men.
There's no reason why we should have three-fifths of a vote.
But her reason, I guess there's some way I can empathize with her.
Maybe she's just not surrounded by whatever competent women, like she's saying.
But like, I grew up in a very educated area.
Most people, their parents were both worked.
I see women in a very high light.
I see that are capable of doing anything just as much as a man.
And like, yeah, obviously men are stronger than women, but like mentally, women can be as strong as men.
Like, there's nothing about our gender that has any difference with that.
Well, I have some slight disagreements, a little bit there.
I think on average, men and women are equal in intelligence on average.
However, there's something called the, and it's, I don't even know if it's a theory anymore.
I think it's been proven.
There's something called the greater male variability myth.
Sorry, did I just Freudian slip that shit?
Myth?
Sorry, theory.
Greater male variability theory.
So on the averages, you actually have more women in terms of where the average IQ lands.
Mary, can you Google greater male variability hypothesis or theory or whatever?
We'll show you the thing just to demonstrate it.
But what you have happening, though, is on average, men and women are about equal in terms of intelligence.
But you have a greater proportion.
Like there are more really, really stupid men than there are really, really stupid women.
However, coinciding with that, you have more really, really intelligent men than you do have really, really intelligent women.
Interesting.
On the average, if you average it out, it's the same.
Yes, pull it up, please.
Click on the thing.
Click on it.
So the blue would be women and the green would be men.
So what you end up having is there's more really stupid people as men.
There's more really smart people as men.
But there's more women who have, you know, in that center.
So this is why, for example, in certain endeavors where it's not physical at all, like chess, for example, you don't see women.
Now you might say, well, it's women have less of a propensity to want to play chess.
They're less interested in it than men.
But they wouldn't really explain in a game where there's actually no physical component to it.
It's all mental.
Why don't we see any like in terms of like grand masters and stuff?
Women can't really compete with men on chess.
Why is that?
They can't.
Now, by the way, I don't agree with her on her little voting thing, but just wanted to at least provide that clarity.
I don't know if you disagree with me on that, though.
What do you think?
I mean, how many like women, though, are like raised to are like encouraged to play chess?
Like, that's the thing.
Like, I feel like chess is something that, I mean, I grew up to play chess, but it was never like to.
Well, doesn't your own anecdote defeat?
Well, but it was never, I was never taught to be that passionate, just so I can be able to play it, like, play pool, play chess, like, and any, I can just have those talents.
But, like, what woman is pushed and like to only pursue chess and to like make that like her only goal of life?
I mean, my counter would be what women are precluded from exploring chess.
It's kind of funny because, like I said, this is European household I grew up in.
My brother was taught from a very young age to play chess and I was not invited.
In general, like you see in the chess like competitions, it's a lot of people from like Eastern Europe, young men.
It is kind of like a traditional thing, actually, believe it or not.
But this is just one very obscure, tiny example.
We're talking about chess, but I think in general, certain hobbies are pushed more on men.
Certain hobbies are pushed more on men.
If it was the case, you would hope that you would see, like, it's perhaps it is the case that there's, well, it is the case, that there is a higher proportion of men who play chess.
I wouldn't just default to, well, women aren't being pushed into it.
I would say women have a lacking of interest in those sorts of things.
In the same way that there's no preclusion from women having an interest in women's sports, explain to me the great societal conspiracy that prevents women from caring about women's sports.
There's absolutely none.
Yet it is the reality, both for men's sports and for women's sports.
Women just overwhelmingly seem to not care about viewing sports in general, whether it's women's sports, whether it's men's sports.
So, look, there may be a case that, yes, maybe they're pushing the boys a little bit more, but you still have some women.
You would expect to see some women who did get pushed at an early age, who have been playing since childhood, who are highly intelligent, who are exceptionally skilled at chess.
You would expect to see some of them have the capacity to occasionally beat some of these top chess players, but they just don't.
They're incapable of doing it.
Now, look, I'm not saying it's impossible.
There could be some superstar female chess player that comes along again, but this idea that just to dismiss the physical realm, well, of course, when it comes to sports, men are physically stronger than women.
But I do think that we do see some variability in terms.
And by the way, I mean, you're going to have to determine, those of you who are upset by the following statement, I mean, that's on Wikipedia if you want to look into it, the greater male variability thing.
You're going to have to determine what's actually more sexist.
Because on one hand, I'm saying, well, there's more men who are way fucking dumber than women, but there's also men who are way smarter than women.
So you got to kind of.
Am I the sexist against men, against women?
I don't know.
But I think the most important thing, like an average person, like the roles of like a doctor, a lawyer, like all those average roles, like, yeah, chess, but like, how much does chess really like impact society?
I feel like day-to-day roles, like women and men, they are both equally equipped to do what those.
Like if I'm saying like, yeah, that theory honestly makes sense.
Like, yeah, there are more stupid men and they're probably a lot more like geniuses that are always more going to be more men.
But then day-to-day, like who's like in society and who's like really contributing to society, it's men and women have equal roles in that regard.
Well, so you mentioned doctors, lawyers, I guess.
I think I overheard maybe previously.
I think just I'll give you like, I guess, one charitable position.
I think sometimes female doctors can have sometimes have a tendency to have a better bedside manner, which can be good in a medical setting.
They can sometimes be a bit more open in some ways.
But I don't know if I totally agree with the men and women equally contribute to society.
Well, more just like we can work the same jobs, like in those, like just like the average day-to-day job.
We can work the same jobs, but we have certain strengths and certain weaknesses.
Well, I mean, I would say that it depends what we mean by keeping society functioning or running.
My position is a lot of the jobs that women occupy, I mean, it depends what we mean by important.
In terms of having society function, though, I'm not actually sure that women participate nearly to the same degree that men do.
So, for example, telecommunications, water systems, waste collection, firefighting, you know, physical labor jobs, transportation jobs.
So, how is it that you guys get the ingredients for your boba?
Well, do you think that women are so the farmers, the men who transport it, the men who work on oil rigs, that women are definitely not have offshore oil rigs?
Women have zero interest in doing that.
I don't even think they physically can do it.
Actually, you know what, Mary?
Pull up, Mary.
Go to Discord, go to Men at Work tab.
It's under resources, okay?
Men at Work, you're going to play.
We're going to look at the most recent three.
When it comes to the critical infrastructure jobs, the proportion of men that are in the jobs that actually make society function, it's overwhelmingly men.
Anywhere from 80% all the way to 100%.
But it takes a village, right?
So like, what about like the nurses when they get hurt?
I'm pretty sure, like, at least in my industry, it's female-dominated.
Yeah, there's a preeminent predominance of women in health and healthcare positions.
But people, however, comparing blue-collar jobs, yeah, that's different.
That is like a male-dominated, but then there's also, there are like industries where it's woman-dominated.
Critical Infrastructure Gender Gap 00:05:05
Like, I feel like it's equal in that regard.
And also, like, I don't know if you can.
I feel like more like it's equal, like, there's women-dominated industries and then male.
And, like, as a society, it equals out.
I think.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Let me finish a few points here.
It doesn't equal out, though.
So, it doesn't equal out in the following way.
And look, I'm not saying that women's contribution, obviously, women are a necessary function of society.
But in terms of women's careers and professions, if, for example, without any preparation, we were to snap our fingers and we did a comparative analysis.
If all men disappeared versus all women disappeared and the impact that that would, let's put aside, like, that would obviously suck to lose mothers and wives and girlfriends and daughters and friends and et cetera, et cetera.
That would obviously be terrible, catastrophic, and there wouldn't really be a way to reproduce the species from there.
But putting all that aside, in terms of the representation of the various professions that men and women...
What?
How's that?
Okay.
Don't distract me, please.
In terms of the varying professions that men and women are in, because of men's over-representation in critical infrastructure, so what you would have happen if men and women were to just instantly disappear, doing a comparative comparison of both, it would obviously suck, but society would, you know, there'd be disruption in certain fields, the medical field, education field.
But these aren't typically quite as critical as something like people who work in telecommunications, people who manage the electrical grid, people who manage water, people who manage, you know, how do you make sure your water's clean?
How does it get to your house, et cetera, et cetera?
My boyfriend works in telecommunication, and my boyfriend works in telecommunication with Frontier, and there's not a single woman who works with him.
I mean, I've got your own eyes.
When you pass a construction site, when you see men who are working out in the heat, you ever see women?
Every time I pass it, like men who are in the high-viz jackets and the hard hats, I never see women.
So my position would be: if you were to get rid of all men, you'd basically have complete catastrophe, cascading failures to the point where women will be basically have to depart en masse, all urban centers within a few days.
And then you'll have like within a month, I think 50% of women are dead because you just aren't involved.
You think the modern city woman is going to survive?
Like, look, some women will survive, but it's going to be complete catastrophe.
All women disappear.
Again, it's going to suck.
That'd be a terrible thing.
But in terms of their lack of representation in critical infrastructure jobs, you're going to have impacts in like the medical field a little bit.
But like society as we experience it and enjoy it in terms of food supplies, oil supplies, electricity, lights, air conditioning, or if you're in a really cold region, heaven forbid this were to happen in the middle of winter.
Yeah, any woman in a cold area is dead within four days, five days, maybe.
So I think that's the difference here.
Now, I don't know if you agree with that.
I don't know if you think the women are going to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be boss babes and figure out how to run electrical plants, nuclear plants.
They're going to figure out how to figure out the wastewater.
They're going to all of a sudden become truckers and be able to figure this out.
There's a level of knowledge that uniquely lies in men that women would not have the requisite time to be able to prepare for some sort of...
Now, look, if you prepared women, you gave women a year to...
Okay, all men are disappearing in a year.
Then I think it might be okay, but snap your fingers.
For men, yeah, I mean, it's the end of the species, but all the comforts of modernity, those would be maintained if all women were to disappear.
All the comforts you guys take for granted would disappear within a week.
Your internet is gone within a few days.
Electricity, gone.
Gas, gone.
Drinkable water, gone.
Running water, gone.
Firefighters, fires are going to break out eventually within 24 to 48 hours.
You're not going to be able to fight the fires because that's predominantly men.
You're going to have to evacuate major urban hubs because of the fucking rampant uncontrolled fires.
And your water and electricity is going to be off.
And there's going to be massive food shortages.
Probably some badass women are going to go to Costco and take fucking everything and have some guns.
And they're going to keep that shit.
And then the other women, I don't know, you're going to have to forage in the fucking concrete jungle of Los Angeles.
You're going to be mega fucked.
I don't know.
Anyways, I was rambling there.
I don't know if you have any thoughts on any of that.
Feminine Pressure Collar Jobs 00:10:05
I feel like, well, wouldn't it be harder for a blue-collar, like a person who has a blue-collar job to work like in the medical field or like a white-collar job rather than someone who's in the white-collar or like medical field to transition to a blue-collar job?
Would it be harder?
Yeah, like wouldn't it be harder for a blue-collar person to transition into the medical field or like a white-collar job rather than someone who's a white-collar or like in the medical field to transition to a blue-collar job?
We still have men that do both white-collars.
We have men who do both.
But if you're, I mean, like, honestly, the equivalent of a man who works a blue-collar job is women who are estheticians or like hairstylists.
That's just what we're pushed into.
But I feel like if you are picking a blue-collar job, it's more.
Well, I don't know if you're pushed into it.
You pick those things.
No, I think we are.
I think gender is a performance to some extent.
I think like women, because they prioritize like group order and social harmony, there's this peer pressure that they have when they're amongst each other to be kind of fake, like say things like, oh my God, girl, you look so beautiful.
And like she's a whale.
I'm talking about gender is a performance.
Like I'm talking about how women feel peer pressure to say things that they don't really mean.
Like that's one aspect of it.
Like for example, like how certain hobbies are pushed on to certain genders.
Like every time a girl gets a birthday gift, it's either like jewelry, fuzzy socks, or lip gloss.
But when a guy gets a gift, it's like video games or like a book about science or history.
I want jewelry, fuzzy socks, and lip gloss.
But there's some girls like me that don't want that.
Yeah, there's, but a lot of them do.
And then there's a guy, but how much of that is peer pressure by society?
How much of that is peer pressure from society?
So are we just not allowed to like it?
If you don't, that's on you, but like, like you said, this.
Sorry, really quick.
Who wants pizza?
Oh, thank you.
We have some pizza.
One, two, three, four.
Anybody else?
Can you get gluten-free pizza?
Sorry, I have cediac disease.
I don't choose to.
Mary, can you hand out the pizza for the people who raise their hand?
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Can I just scoot your mic this way?
Yeah.
And then straighten your mic, tilt it down a little bit.
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Do you want to finish your point?
I don't remember my thought.
Sorry, my bad.
No worries.
I just realized the pizza was getting cold back there.
Oh shit, there's no good.
You were asking her like.
Does anybody remember what?
We were talking about how she was making the point that she thinks that women are pressured into certain fields, right?
Yeah, by like each other mostly.
What do you mean by that?
How do we pressure each other?
You don't seem very pressured because, like you said, you don't like that things, and that's okay.
Yeah, I mean, I don't feel pressured, but I wouldn't say I'm like, like I don't represent all women, you know?
Like, I just feel like when I'm around other women, there's always this like pressure.
There's like restraint that we can't say what we really think.
Maybe you're just not around like people who like the same things in you.
Maybe you just haven't found your opinion.
Clarifying question for you.
Are you saying because women feel like we because we feel like we need to perform, because we want jewelry and fuzzy socks or what have you, that tying in with what Brian was saying with industry.
Is that because that's why we choose jobs because of our of what we gender orient ourselves towards?
Does my question make sense?
Like, so we like fuzzy socks.
Does that mean we're like choosing a girlier job, like being like a makeup style?
Yeah, I think so.
Okay.
But I think they did studies on this, and I don't remember what country specifically, but it was a country that was heavily pushing women to do traditionally masculine jobs.
And it actually showed that even when we're pushing for women to do, to be in STEM, to be cops, to do whatever, they actually chose still to do what we were already doing, just being teachers, nurses.
They still chose overwhelmingly professions that historically women traditionally have done.
So even, I don't know that.
So you think it's a biological component?
I think we just have different interests.
And I think, again, in countries that have that even when you push women to do certain things, sometimes you just have a piece?
Did everyone get a pizza?
Is there four?
Did you guys want it?
Yeah.
There's one more, right?
You want it or who wanted it?
You wanted the piece, right?
Yeah, but then she also wanted to get it.
You wanted the piece?
No, there should be one more, right, Mary?
I think that's extra.
Okay.
That one's yours, right?
Did you want one?
No.
Wait, we have one, two, three, four.
I thought we won.
Oh, so maybe pass that one to her?
No.
No, that's for her.
Oh, that's for you.
Okay.
Yeah, so one more, Mary.
Here, we have a chat, but we'll continue on with the conference.
Thank you, Based Justin.
Justin donated $100.
How many of these ladies have run a 240-volt circuit in vent pipe or sweat copper for plumbing or dug trenches or engineered anything mechanical or even started a fire?
On purpose.
Yeah.
Yeah, Justin, thank you for the TTS.
Appreciate it, man.
Base Justin.
W's in the chat for him.
By the way, this isn't like some dunk on women.
Like, I just think it's the reality.
There's a nature and nurture component to it.
So I think for a lot of these jobs, the reality is I think there's a nurture component.
So like a societal thing where women are either not pushed or, you know, but there's also, I think in Sweden or one of the Scandinavian countries where you have basically the most egalitarian viewpoints and the most egalitarian societies,
you actually see a tendency for women to actually, in terms of the job differences, women tend to actually go more towards the, I guess, I don't know if more feminine jobs is the right characterization, even in societies that are more equal.
So as the society gets more equal, You actually see women going more towards the more traditionally feminine careers.
Whereas, like in a country like India, for example, my understanding is that's when you actually end up seeing more women like engineers.
You see more women in sort of the fields that were viewed more historically as male-dominated.
I think culturally in Indian culture, the men tend to like they kind of tend to be like pussies, for lack of a better word.
They're like mama's boys.
And so the women tend to be more macho for that reason than their men.
Well, I don't know anything about that, but ultimately, where were we with all of that?
Well, also, I just think women just don't have the physical, they don't have an interest in a lot of these things, and they just don't have the physical strength to do it.
They don't have the physical strength to do a lot of these jobs.
Well, men are like physically stronger than women.
Yeah, can I have you tilt your mic down and straighten it?
Yeah, I think that men are physically stronger than women.
And I think that, yeah, that's a main reason why these jobs are more predominantly, you know, done by men and maybe performed better by men.
But I do think that there are, you know, to every, I mean, to every like stereotype or to every like, you know, that it's a field predominantly run by men.
Like there are women in it.
Like, you know.
Well, I guess the question could go.
Hmm.
I'm wondering how to phrase this.
Can I jump in?
Hold on.
Let me think this.
Here, let's play the videos really quick, Mary.
Let's play those videos and then I can have you jump in.
The three videos?
Just play it.
I don't even know if there is sound, but.
So, like, look, women don't want to do this.
They don't want to do it.
Most people don't do it.
Like, it's not just evil.
There's a conspiracy theory of men who are holding women back from doing these jobs.
Even if it was like completely, there were, or completely everything's fair in society, women still just wouldn't want to do these jobs.
And look, I think maybe that points to, it could be a bit of a privilege, but they actually, hey, I don't want to do that.
I don't want to do that shit.
That shit is dangerous.
So maybe women are smarter.
Women are more aware of their own self-preservation.
By the way, we talk about wage gap.
We talk about the women are paid less than men.
As a gap observation, there's a different gap observation called the workplace fatality gap, the workplace injury gap.
Men are like 93% or something of workplace fatalities are men.
90-something percent of workplace injuries are men.
So there's all kinds of gaps, but play the next one.
Yeah, start from the beginning, I guess.
Play it.
All right.
So these guys are in like, I don't know where, I think they're in a, it's going to pan down here in a sec, but they're in like a, it looks like a, some sort of silo of some sort.
I don't know if it's an, I don't know, anybody in the chat know what that is exactly?
I don't know.
They're in some kind of silo of some kind.
Now, I'm, I'm not a fan of Heights, but that's fucking insane.
Okay, these guys have, and look, there's all kinds of videos we could show.
Let's just do the next one.
Yeah, that's fine.
This one, so it's raining on a, I believe this is an offshore oil platform, I think.
Go ahead, play it.
Wait, wait, wait.
Pause it.
Audio, please.
Yeah, give us audio, please.
Video time.
That's hot.
Men Can't Replace Women 00:06:35
All right.
Women don't want to do that.
I don't even think they can physically do that.
Maybe like looking at that last video, see how the guy's friend was like cheering him on in the back.
Maybe like men doing these jobs, it also comes with like a sense of pride and ego that they're able to fulfill these responsibilities.
So maybe like, like you said, most women don't want to do that, and that's true.
But maybe some men do want to do that because it like, like I said, it helps their ego.
So well, I mean, yeah, sure.
But I don't think it, I guess we were, she was talking about, she like, and I don't really agree with her totally on this.
She wants women to have three-fifths of the vote that men have.
And then we were talking about, I think you were mentioning, Mahi, that women's, in terms of profession, professional contribution to society is equal to men.
I don't think it is.
I'm not saying women don't contribute societally through their profession, but I mean, can I ask you a question?
Knowing, I mean, maybe you disagree about the representation of men in these fields, but would you, I don't know how to frame this.
Let's just say we were to instantly, and I use this not literally, but figuratively.
Let's say we just instantly, we didn't get rid of any of the people, but we got rid of their jobs.
Like, and I don't know, it was some weird hypothetical.
We instantly nuke figuratively all of women's professions.
Like that, that all the, not women, excuse me, not women's professions.
All jobs that women currently have, we just nuke them.
Like they just disappear, they're gone.
But no women disappear.
The demographics stay the same.
Nobody dies.
Or you nuke all men's jobs instantly.
In which society would you rather live in?
You mean male-dominated or female-dominated?
Well, you're not getting rid of the entire job.
Just whatever job all women in the world currently have, those jobs are just, and you can't replace them.
Just instantly go.
Like, no more nurses.
I think both of them will eventually die out.
Like, maybe the one where you nuke the women's jobs.
Because women will most of the nurses teach.
Like nurses, like, if you go to hospital, then men, they're just dying.
Like, it's done for them.
But then, yeah, women, like the blue-collar jobs, men work them, maybe will die more fast.
But that woman men will eventually also die.
Like, there's no society that's a little bit better.
I think that the menu.
Why can't a man be a nurse?
Well, I think in this, they can't.
I'm not saying they can't.
Men and women can be whatever they want, but there are women.
Yeah, there are women.
That's a woman dominated.
Well, I think in this hypothetical, I think in this hypothetical, we would have to grant that you can't replace with the other gender.
Like, these jobs are just gone.
So there are some male nurses, they remain, but yes, you can't refill the female jobs with men.
But also, there are some women, like blue-collar jobs, no, there are.
But I'm just saying, like, each society is like doomed.
I would rather, I would do neither because each of them are doomed.
You had to pick one though.
The man's society would last longer because a lot of women- No, you don't kill your- You don't understand yourself.
A lot of women's jobs exist solely to serve other women, like eyelash extensions, facials, hair.
I believe that the men's world where all the women got evaporated, they would last a lot longer because there are still male nurses, I know, because I see them, but not as many as women.
But I think that the overall arch of like what men are capable of doing, like they can cover a day-to-day woman's job much easier than a man, than a woman can go working on the oil rig, which doesn't even exist any way you can.
Well, so like it seems like this just boils down to Mahi, to your point.
Let's say we just actually, the entire healthcare field was completely figuratively nuked.
Wow.
So even men, there are no men in the healthcare field either.
This would obviously be really bad.
People would die really catastrophic.
But ultimately, I don't actually think that there would be a great deal of disruption actually to society as compared to if it's like, okay, well, let's just go ahead and nuke the people that work in those who oversee the electrical grid, telecommunications, oil refinery, transportation, farming, all these things.
Like, yeah, it would obviously, a lot of people would die.
People wouldn't be able to get medical intervention.
A lot of people would die.
Even people who are in those critical fields who have cancer, who have ongoing medical needs, yeah, that's going to have an impact.
But I think society, as we enjoy it, running water, electricity, plumbing, cell phone, internet, those things persist.
So like it would be catastrophic.
It would be very bad.
I wouldn't say catastrophic.
But I feel like.
But then I feel like a lot of blue-collar people would not want to go to work.
Because if you just know there's no healthcare system, like, oh, if I get hurt, I can't be treated.
A lot of people wouldn't want to put themselves at risk.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I feel like I've been doing physical labor jobs throughout all human history.
And there was not good health care like 300 years ago.
I don't know what to do.
Yeah, but I mean that's not like, okay, I'm just going to get some leeches put on me.
Okay.
But I don't know.
I feel like if there was, like, obviously maybe it wouldn't immediately, society wouldn't immediately be gone, but it would slowly, like, people wouldn't want to take as many risks.
Like, people wouldn't want to put themselves in danger.
Like, even, yeah, there's always been dangerous jobs, but you always kind of knew, like, oh, I can get help maybe in a way.
But now, if that whole thing is gone, people wouldn't want to put themselves in danger for nothing.
Maybe.
I think men, I mean, obviously the economy chugs along.
So people still are going to go to work.
They still need to make money.
They still need to buy food, have housing.
So it would be bad.
It'd definitely be bad.
A lot of people would die, but I don't see a total societal collapse is what I'm getting at.
Whereas if you start chipping away at the jobs in which men disproportionately have, I've already mentioned them, you know, telecoms, those who oversee electrical grid, water systems, trucking, farming, et cetera.
You do see societal collapse if we nuke, figuratively speaking, male-dominated jobs, but not female-dominated jobs.
I Want To Be Remembered 00:04:38
I disagree.
You disagree?
I feel like if all the men disappeared, things would be horrible for sure.
But, I mean, things haven't always been the way they are now.
Society has existed before all of these jobs.
So things will get figured out eventually.
Well, here's, I guess, my, so some women will be able to adapt, but I think I think all the women sitting at this table, most of you have probably lived comfortable suburban or urban lives.
Most of you probably have never foraged for food in the fort.
Most of you are not survivalists.
So I would say, like, yes, historically, we didn't have a lot of the comforts that we have now.
We didn't have electricity.
We didn't have running water.
We didn't have agriculture.
We didn't have farming.
We didn't have all these things.
But people were adapted to it hundreds or thousands of years ago.
They knew how to live under those confines then.
But it's like you have so many.
And by the way, men also have lived very comfortable lives too.
I'm not saying, like, okay, if all if this happened in a scenario where men and women were affected, a lot of men are not survivalists.
A lot of men don't know how to start a fire.
I think men might fare a little bit better because of their physical advantage.
Jesus Christ.
Wait, catch it.
Bro, are you drunk?
What the fuck?
Can you fix it, please?
Can you put me in the chair that everybody has to do with screenspot and no?
It's Mary, Mary.
You do.
Can you just scoot behind her so she can fix it?
Mary, just fix that, please.
Sorry, guys, one sec here.
That was absolutely normal.
It's not your fault.
It's a tight situation.
It's okay.
Hold on, let me let some chats come through.
Sorry for the hell.
Mary, audio.
Josh donated $100.
Can we go around the table and answer when you die?
What do you want to be remembered for and by who?
Most of us are forgotten by everyone except our families in death, so what's important to you?
We'll do that in just a moment.
Josh, thank you for your message.
Hold on.
Yo, Josh, I appreciate that.
Thank you.
I'm going to let this one come through from Justin.
Then we're going to answer that one.
Okay, Josh.
I hope I didn't trigger it twice.
We're about to see.
Based Justin donated $100.
All women's jobs are gone.
Men then get paid more.
And we can now return to establishing families like raising children on a single income.
Imagine that.
Can you pass it down that way?
I was thinking that same thing: like, okay, I work in child care, and if you and it's predominantly female, if it disappeared, then more women would just be at home with their kids, which is not a bad thing.
Justin donated $100.
Can you take that?
All women's jobs are gone.
Men then get paid more.
And we can now return to the family.
So going around.
Going around the table.
When you die, what do you want to be remembered for and by who?
Quick answer, please.
Okay, I want to be remembered by the people that I love as someone who feels free to be creative and express myself no matter what that means, you know, and to be someone that's loving and caring and accepting.
All right, quick answers, please.
Well, can you come back to me?
Yeah.
I want to be remembered for taking care of other people and living like Jesus did.
I want to be remembered for being fun and a good friend and taking care of animals.
Okay.
I want to contribute to psychology and how like everlasting.
I want to be remembered for like just someone who tried.
I want to be someone who tried and someone who was kind.
I want to be remembered for being a loving person.
Okay.
You were skipping.
Go ahead.
I want to be remembered by my kids for being a loving mom.
What about you?
The legacy I pass down, specifically the values I pass down to my children and the faith in God.
All right.
Thank you for that.
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Gendered Lens on Coal 00:12:35
Men have force, bricks and based.
Okay.
Thank you, Brandon, for your super chat.
Appreciate it, man.
I am trying to remember where we were on all of that stuff.
Jobs disappearing.
Oh, yeah.
Jobs disappearing, yeah.
You were saying something on that?
I'm trying to remember.
You talked about it.
I said, you know, things haven't always been this way.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it would be obviously a terrible thing to happen, but look, it is what it is.
I'm so tired of the whole men versus women thing.
It's so old.
It's like, we need to work together.
That's like the bottom line.
I think the algorithm pushes it a little bit.
You should tell that to the feminists.
They need to get over it.
They need to get over it.
Well, I would say this.
I would say this.
So when you start viewing things and forwarding to society and then infiltrating academia and then forwarding it upon institutions and governments and media and journalism and the news and corporations, when, look, it is true that throughout history women have had specifically gendered grievances.
What feminists have done is said women have had specifically gendered grievances.
And some of those are valid, some of those are true.
But they have done a sort of what's the best framing for this?
They've completely forsaken or done any investigation as to compared to what.
And the comparison would be, was just, we're only considering and analyzing the ways in which women have been disadvantaged without a sort of comparative lens of at what price and as compared to who, compared to men.
And they wanted to, I mean, feminism is basically women oppressed, men oppressors, men are to be blamed in a sort of Marxist way.
It's basically class division between men and women, where women are the oppressed group, men are the oppressor group.
And when you view things through this lens, it's actually really damaging.
But what ends up happening is if women, or rather I should say feminists, do an analysis of society and say, how is this impacting women?
Well, that invites men, or I guess you could say men's rights activists, to look through society through the exact same lens that women use, but to analyze the ways in which men are disadvantaged, which is something that feminists completely disregard or don't acknowledge or downplay.
And so, but feminists really don't like that.
Feminists really do not like when men say, actually, maybe it's not the case that men throughout all of human history have had it really easy and really great and life's been easy for men and women have had it so hard.
I mean, that's basically the feminist construct.
And that's a framework feminism started.
Men were not like viewing society through this lens ever.
Feminists came and said women have all these grievances, XYZ, some of which were true, some of which exaggerated, some of which fabricated.
And so a lot of these things going on, by the way, if we're doing a comparison of like, you might even say my podcast is forwarding some male-centric viewpoints.
Any men who are using this framework, the same framework feminists do, which is in group gendered disadvantage in society, you have, what's the best way to put this?
I would say we don't have nearly the same amount of widespread societal acceptance or institutional acceptance that does feminism have.
So, I mean, the gender war, you have feminists to blame, and then men are doing a reactionary thing of basically like, yeah, feminists have, let's say, been greedy in overstepping.
And the great overreaches is perhaps the best way I would put it.
The great overreaches of feminism, men are men combating it is a reaction to the feminist overreach.
I think whether or not it's a reaction, it's annoying when men do it.
It's annoying when women do it.
I think it's just victim mindset.
It's not productive.
Like, it's like we're keeping Tally at this point.
And it's.
Oh, sorry, continue.
Yeah.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that, yeah, there are certain ideologies that are pushed heavily in mainstream media as well as educational institutions.
But it's like, it's just been so tiring lately.
I feel like it's this back and forth of, well, as a woman, I can't do this and we're not represented in this field as much.
And then the men respond by saying, well, you also don't have to go to war.
And there's a lot of truth to that, but it's like, it's just so exhausting to hear.
It's like.
It's so exhausting.
And feminism has changed.
It went from women should have a choice, which women should have a choice to now.
I feel like it was like, oh, you should have a choice.
You should be able to stay at home if you want to.
To now, women are being shamed for wanting to stay at home.
And feminism is more like, no, you should go out and do everything a man is doing.
And it's just like, there's no, there's so much focus on gender and not enough on the individual.
It's just so, like you said, annoying.
You wanted to go?
Yeah, I just wanted to, to me, like the way I say I'm a feminist, to me, it's just, I feel like women should have the choice to do what they want.
If you want to stay at home and take care of kids, or if that's what you want to do, then you should do that.
If you want to go and be a doctor or a surgeon, you should be able to do that.
Like for me, it's like women should have the choice to do what they want.
Like they, the same as men, like men can choose whatever they wanted.
Like there was no, and the thing is, I would say, like, men have.
Sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead.
I just said men have, yeah, they do have like, they have been through a lot.
And like, but the one thing about them is that they could have always, they, they had the option to do whatever career they wanted to.
And I just feel like women should have that as well.
Well, I have some gripes with that.
There's a couple different gripes.
So you said men always had the choice, women didn't have the choice.
But so women would have, by the way, this idea that women were like full-blown barred from being in professions.
Well, no, they could have been a good idea.
Even 200, 300, 400, women were definitely had jobs.
Women worked.
Women were able to make money.
Now there were some differences here and there and there were societal components.
But so women had the, if we want to talk about choice, women didn't have to work.
Now, men never had that choice throughout history.
And I would argue men with very rare, even in 2026, men can't realistically, dating podcasts, men can't realistically go out there in the dating market and be like, I want to be a stay-at-home husband.
That shit will not fly with even liberal women.
Liberal women who might have good career ambitions, their standard, even though they are feminists and believe in 50-50 equality, blah, blah, blah, they will never be in a position.
By the way, when I say never, yes, there are some women who are, okay, you want to be the house husband and take care of the kids and I'm going to go out to work.
There are some, very, very few women who are okay with that.
Most women, even liberal progressive women, their standard is going to be, I want a guy who makes as much money as me or more.
He has to earn as much as me or more.
So there is never really a choice for men to want to actually step back and be more taking care of the household.
That's a choice women have.
Now, in terms of careers, I think you also, you have to have a really strong understanding of what the world looked like 100, 200, 300 years ago.
300 years ago, women's lack of representation in the workplace, you have to remember 300 years ago, there wasn't air conditioning.
There wasn't like lunch breaks and HR and there wasn't pregnancy leave.
There wasn't like, oh, we're going to live in a, I'm going to go to work at my corporate job for some tech company and have all these benefits and they give me free food and there's cupcakes and they do, there's entertainment at the work and there's like a, there's a meditation studio.
No.
100, 200 years ago, life was pretty difficult.
Life was really hard.
I don't even think most people, if we got, men included, to be fair, if we got transported back 300 years ago and we had to like live and survive, we'd be most modern humans would be probably incapable of doing it, but also just like, whoa, this sucks.
I can't doom scroll on TikTok.
I just got to sit here in my fucking cabin for what the fuck am I supposed to do?
Like, so there, I mean, that's an entertainment component.
But so women, in terms of, oh, so unfair, women themselves either didn't have the physical capacity to do the jobs that were available 100, 200 years ago.
You go 200 years back, you think there was HR ladies?
You think that there was project managers in some swanky air-conditioned office job for some tech company?
No, that shit did not exist.
100 years ago, 200 years ago, as a man, you go into the coal mines.
Sorry, maybe 200 years ago, that's a bit too far back.
But this idea of like lacking of access to the workplace, the workplace was physical.
It was labor.
There wasn't coding.
There wasn't these jobs that required more brain than brawn.
So it's like, I think actually, if we go back to say like 1930s, 1940s, I mean, there was coal mining before then, and women started getting a bit more involved in the workplace.
But let's go back to the 1910s, 1920s coal mines.
You could be the wife and stay home in the comfort of your house, take care of the kids, or you can go into the coal mines and your lungs completely gigafucked by the time you're 40.
And then you're dying of like brutal, literally gasping for air for the last five years of your life.
You can't even fucking breathe.
You've got black lung.
I think women, it wasn't evil men preventing women from the workplace.
It was benevolent, sacrificial men willing to do the dangerous, difficult labor jobs and insulating women and protecting women.
And I guarantee you, if you women had the choice and we transported you back 100 years ago, and the choice was stay at home, take care of the house, raise the kids, or go in the coal mine.
And there wasn't, there wasn't, what's the organization that OSHA, thank you.
There wasn't fucking OSHA back then.
You go in the coal mine, you work 12 hours, you piss in a corner, there's no bathroom breaks, no one-hour lunch break.
And I don't know, you die at 40.
For the last five years of your life, you can barely breathe your fucking oxygen.
What is it, oxygen level?
Your O2 levels or whatever.
You're fucking.
You guys ever had like pneumonia or been sick or some shit?
Fucking COVID.
You're fucking can barely breathe and shit?
Five years of that, then you die.
High Body Conditions 00:07:49
Like shit, I think women kind of had the good deal.
Now, look, there's obviously jobs now that are more comfortable and safe.
That's kind of a hot take with this.
Back then, I agree exactly with what you're saying.
It wasn't safe.
There were clear roles.
Notice the time when feminism really started to begin getting pushed was around the time when comfortable workplaces started evolving.
Sure.
And I believe that it was a psyop by the government that was designed with paid actors to come in and riot and do things like that to mentally like, again, like psyop us into thinking that women are equal to men in the workplace, which they, the jobs were still not the same back then.
They still had crazy conditions, but it's becoming slowly more accessible and comfortable, so to say.
Now you have double taxes.
You have two parents out of the home.
I said this last time I was here.
Your kids are in a public system that got taken over by people who, God knows what they're teaching.
It's the perfect destruction of the original American dream or whatever.
And it's ended us here with like we've lost the plot of feminism.
There is no more feminism.
It's just radicalization of evil.
And here you are, however, we're pushing 50 years later.
And it's a whole new idea.
It's just not even, it's exactly what they wanted.
We're playing right into like liberation of females, the over consumption of porn and OnlyFans.
It was just a setup.
Like, I know that's very base thought tape, but that's honestly what I believe because it just makes sense like on the map, the history books.
I think that too, because you were saying that it's really, it comes down to choice, right?
And I don't think that's necessarily true.
I don't think that's what feminism is anymore because if it was just about choice, it would be okay that sometimes women just choose to do other jobs.
We just choose to, you know, be teachers and that's fine.
But I think it's, it's not equality of opportunity anymore.
It's equality of outcome.
Like we need to force women into the, or we need to lower standards.
And I'm so against lowering standards so that women can be part of certain jobs.
It's just a bad idea all around.
I agree.
And I think that we've done that in many instances.
Kind of like any idea or any kind of group, there's going to be always radicals who push it.
Like you, I feel like everyone now always like generalizes like, oh, they, I think they now think feminists are like misandrists.
Like women.
Yeah, they are.
They are.
I mean, I think women and men are equal.
But I just feel like now like there are feminists who just believe like they we just want a choice and that that's what it is.
And yeah, there are also radicals who push for more, who want for more, but then that shouldn't just kind of make everyone look down on the whole idea.
Cause like the whole basis of it is just women just want a choice.
And that's how I look at it.
That's how I think about it.
And the extremes of it I don't agree with.
Like I feel like we're pushing too hard for all of that.
Like, I feel like right now we've made good progress, but like now, like, since the radicals are like pushing so much of it, and then everyone just looks down at the whole cause and thinks that it's taken too.
Why don't we reach the goal so long ago?
So, it's like, what are we doing now?
We reached the goal so long ago.
You can nuclear items.
I guess what is the point of feminism?
What's the point anymore besides to split up families and like make these like crazy women?
But what is the purpose of feminism today?
Like, so women can work, women have choice, women have freedom, women have the vote.
So, what I guess what is the purpose of feminism?
So, can create division?
You said that.
Well, there's a lot of double standards for women and men.
There is, for me, there's still a lot of double standards.
Like, it's not like I'm preaching for anything.
It's just I say, like, I'm a feminist, like, I still believe.
And like, when it comes to hooking up and women having a high body count versus men having a high body count, like, you can't legislate men to not have double standards.
It basically just feels like in patriarchy that men never face consequences for their actions.
And because that women are kind of scapegoated, like, okay, for example.
They don't face consequences in patriarchy.
Yeah, no, they don't.
Men invent it.
Hold on.
Like, people minimize what men do all the time.
Is there a justice system that can operate under a patriarchy?
Yeah.
And even, wait, wait, wait.
I actually believe there's this concept of the women, women are wonderful effect.
I actually believe that typically, even in a patriarchy, which I, to some degree, reject, but it depends how we define patriarchy.
I actually think society is gynocentric.
You actually see, for example, when it comes to being held accountable, if we look at crime, for example, women actually get let off way easier in their studies on this.
Women receive far less harsh punishments when it comes to crime.
They're much, much, much less, much more likely to either get probation, their charges reduced.
If they do get charged with an equivalent crime, they're going to serve less time.
Their prison conditions, prison conditions for women are much better, much more safe than the conditions for men.
So, I mean, this idea that men aren't held accountable if we're in terms of, are you talking about crime?
No, I'm talking about like socially.
Like, if a guy complains, it's seen as, oh, he's just speaking his mind when a girl does it.
It's seen as nagging.
Like, even like with Kendrick and Drake, when they went at it with their rap beef, everyone was praising them.
But the minute Taylor Swift writes like a slight diss track against another woman, it's why can't she act her own age?
Nobody was telling those guys they need to act their own age.
Like it's just stuff like that.
Hey, when did you get it?
Women are the, hold on.
Women are the consumers of female pop music.
So that's women who are being critical of other women.
Men don't know or give a fuck about the beef that Taylor Swift has with whoever.
What are you talking about?
How would that be evidence of the patriarchy?
The evil patriarchy.
The men have a double standard when it comes to male and female pop stars.
What?
Men don't know about the Taylor Swift beef?
What?
I didn't know about it.
I don't know.
It was just an example about how women always get told to act their age, but men don't.
That was just the example.
I mean, I reject that.
I've never heard of that.
I mean, doesn't like anyone who acts kind of immature get told to ask their age?
Like, I don't know.
I've never really emphasised.
Right.
I think there is.
I think if you're at the age, let's say probably from like 19 to 26, I think there's a way heavier emphasis in society to overachieve, to have performance anxiety, versus like a woman who's just cruising.
She's like, oh, you know, I'll start beauty school a little bit later on in life and be done.
It's like a man might be like shitting his pants because he's thinking all these extra things like, how am I going to provide?
How am I going to live up?
Like, I think it's honestly, that's just the way it is, no?
I would agree with that.
I live with it.
I have a younger brother.
Like, the pressure on him was astronomically different than the pressure on me, and I'm the eldest sibling.
Well, like, there's also a double standard where, like, I feel like when men are a little bit quirky, no one cares.
Like, they're like, oh, that's just Steve.
But when, like, a girl's quirky, it's like, she's annoying.
She's evil.
She's this, that, and the third.
Like.
Is this from personal experience?
Because I don't see that.
I've never been called annoying for me.
I mean, I see people like, like, they make POVs on TikTok all the time, like, mocking women that are a little bit quirky.
Is this your reference right now?
I mean, I'm just giving an example.
You guys can't nitpick every example I give.
I feel like you're not giving good examples.
Like, I feel like if you look at body count, like, women with high body count are disregarded more than men with high body count.
Like, women's sexuality is still the same as how men's sexuality is looked at.
Like, if I'm bringing examples of double standards, I would look at that.
Like, sexuality, most importantly, like, men can express this however they want, but women are still judged greatly for if you're going to name a stereotype, then you have to have an example to back it up with.
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You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, you guys got mad in my example.
Well, unfortunately, I don't think we're getting mad.
It's just a lot of generalizations that are one, vague, and then two, when we ask you to give an example, it's like, well, this one time this happened.
And it's like, okay, well, that was one experience.
Like, and we all feel that.
You are also talking about your experience.
What?
When have I cited it?
Well, like, multiple girls on here have.
You just said I was like, I was citing an experience.
So when did I cite it?
So there you go, splitting hairs again.
But she's not trying to convince us of something.
Yeah, I'm having a conversation.
I'm asking questions.
And you're saying, like, this is my experience, or don't you guys think this?
And we're all saying no.
Yeah, unfortunately, not.
Not a mean way.
It's just it's vague and there's not much to that relationship.
That's okay.
Sometimes you'll have an experience or something that you believe in that maybe other people won't have that same experience or won't, you know, agree with the generalization.
To talk about what you were talking about, the pressure that's put on men to perform and provide and protect and all that, I kind of feel like if anything, what modern feminism has done is give women that same type of pressure too.
Because if anything, I feel like I don't really have a choice.
Like I have to go to work now.
Like I can't afford my, I have to like take care of myself and hope that one day I marry someone that makes enough to provide for the entire family, but that's not the case for most women.
So if anything, I feel like in that regard, it's kind of taken our choice away.
Because before, yeah, like, yeah, I guess that was my point.
She makes a fantastic point.
You mentioned choice, right?
So yes, there's more freedom for women to pursue various professions and making money.
But she is right that it has taken the choice away from women who might have otherwise been inclined to stay home.
Like that choice is gone for 97% of women.
Because of the economic reality, and by the way, I'm not saying that, just to be clear, I'm fine with, I think it's fine that, well, it's not just fine.
I agree that women should have the choice, but we have to, what are the consequences?
Even with good things, there are perhaps unintended or negative consequences.
In this case, when it comes to women's equal participation in the workforce, and look, there's other economic components to why this is the case, but if you double the labor pool, you are corporations love that because it drives wages down.
And so now we live in a society where historically you could support a family on one income.
And typically the job that could support a family wasn't, it wasn't like, you know, you're some high powered attorney.
You could have like a farm.
In fact, I think perhaps even historically, you could even have a minimum wage or close to minimum wage job and support a family, like wife, kids, wife doesn't have to work on that income.
And so, look, I'm not saying women shouldn't be able to work, but it is the case that through feminism, that is perhaps an unintended consequence that you've taken the choice away from women who otherwise did want to just, hey, I don't want to work, I want to stay at home, have some kids, raise the kids.
Now it's like you force, you're sort of forcing the women to go to work, I guess.
Because you can't, the economic reality for most people, you can't have a family and raise kids on just one income for most families.
I mean, if you're a really high earner, then you can.
But it has taken another choice away.
How do we reverse it?
I wanted to ask that with like the psyop, how do we reverse what we've done?
Like, I don't think you honestly.
The only way to reverse it is women don't work again.
Like, it's either or.
Yeah, but we had an unintended consequence, but at least women have the choice now.
But like, it's either women never worked and only men did and they just were the ones who provided, or now women have the choice.
And maybe, I mean, I'm sorry for the women who don't want to work and they do, but then there's also women who want to work and who also I honestly like the pressure of having to do well in society because why should I be any different from a man?
Like men have the pressure and they have to perform well.
I also want the pressure to perform.
I think you can do well in a society without having to having a job, like an actual job.
I think you can be like, I think women that raise their children to be good people are doing the best thing that they can for society.
That's also like, we should also be uplifting people that choose to do that.
But again, you said like, well, at least we have the choice.
It's, there's no choice.
I have to work and it doesn't empower me.
I don't feel good that I have to like slave myself every week at work.
I do even just women don't work then.
Like that's at this point.
I couldn't answer now that like all of this has happened.
I don't know what we would do at this point.
And because we're in today's economy too, I don't know how you would change that.
So I really don't think that there is currently a solution.
I think once the toothpaste is out of the tube, you can't really put it back.
I think there could be societal changes in the future because of automation, robots, AI, where we could potentially be moving towards or even get to a post-scarcity society where you basically nobody has to work.
I mean, I guess people could still work, but I'm not, but this could be decades or even much further down the road.
So, I mean, that's a bit too far in the future.
I mean, what I think, at least short term, is perhaps less of a negative sentiment towards motherhood.
It does seem like there's like, I think the propaganda that women receive is more career, career, career.
Not even necessarily saying that that's bad, but there's like sometimes a corresponding motherhood, wife, family, bad.
So I think that there should be at least as much, maybe propaganda is not the right word, but there should be as much push, perhaps, for women to re-examine having a family perhaps a bit younger, not waiting until you're in your late 20s or 30s to have kids, get married, start a family, etc.
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C3 nailed it.
Women in the workplace has destroyed the concept of the nuclear family.
Instead, women are fed into the college soft science career scam, avoiding the trad roll at all costs.
More C3.
Exactly.
That's what I'm talking about.
Like, I think that feminism has, we were sold a propaganda of feminism where it's like empowerment and freedom.
And here we are, all these years later, where it's not, like I said, it's not feminism anymore.
It's just evil.
And the literal outcome has been the polar opposite of what the women were fighting for way back in the beginning.
And like I said, yes, nuclear family, it's done.
It's destroying.
Now we have double income.
Your kids are being raised by the government in public-funded schools.
And it's honestly just like, think about the happiness levels and the cortisol levels and everything.
It's all planned and intended.
And I just believe that I think the outcome, the end outcome, is more A, lesbian relationships, which have a hot hey, listen, higher domestic violence.
Okay.
Kids being raised to take on what their parents think, gender roles swapping, and just the complete transformation of society to like this weird dystopian place where we've completely lost the plot that God put for us way back in the beginning.
Well, how about this?
Who here is currently in college?
Show of hands, who's in college?
College, college, college.
Okay, you three.
What do you guys prioritize more for yourself?
And I'm not speaking, I guess looking long term a little bit.
Do you prioritize one day having a really killer career, great career, or do you prioritize having a family, a husband, and children?
Which one would you prioritize higher?
Out of the two, am I allowed to say that I prioritize them equally?
Sure, you can, yeah.
I would say that I prioritize them equally, but like now, right now is a time in my life where like what I'm prioritizing the most is just like doing the things that make me happy and like tilt your mic down a little bit for me.
Okay, what about you?
I think like adding on to what she said, it really depends on like what part of time I'm in.
Like right now, I'm obviously very focused on like trying to get my degree and my career starting, but then hopefully later on in the future, like my priorities will shift to be having like a family and marriage.
But as of right now, like I understand right now, obviously you're in college.
Yeah.
But if we're like whole life in totality, do you think do you uphold like career and academic achievement over family, kids, husband?
I think I'll.
Can I have you tilt your mic down, please?
Yeah.
I think I'll pick family and kids if we're speaking long term over career.
But yeah.
Okay, what about you?
Equal.
I want a successful career and I want a husband and I don't know if I want kids.
Okay.
What would you say women should pick?
What do I think women should pick?
Family.
Family, husband, children.
Not in that order or anything, but that should be a priority over career.
What's the point of getting married if you're not going to have kids?
Love.
I want a partner for life.
You can just live with them.
There are some people that are infertile too.
Marriage is more than just having kids.
You should be able to adopt.
Also, I can have kids.
Maybe it's our upbringing.
Say your last part again that you said, the last phrase.
I don't know, just something I didn't hear what you said.
She said something about adoption you can adopt too.
Yeah, because she says people were infertile, so I said those people can adopt.
So I can't have kids because I have a metal spine.
Does that make me not any less interested in getting married to my current artist?
No, my question is: just what specifically, like, what's the difference between getting married versus just living with each other?
Like, that's kind of what I'm trying to get at.
Like, what commitment?
A commitment until death do us part.
How is it still not a commitment if you guys are like in a long-term relationship and living together?
It's not the same level mentally.
Yeah.
Maybe we've just seen different because I remember earlier you mentioned your parents are arranged marriage, and I think that changes the picture a lot for what we've seen growing up.
But I think like marriage is really important in a woman's life.
And it's not just about like coexisting and like it's not transactional, if that's what I'm trying to say.
It's about love and it's not and like, yeah, like what's the point of having a marriage if you don't have like a job is what you're saying.
But like what's the point of having like a job and enslaving yourself at work if you don't have a nice family to come home to if you're just alone and miserable every day?
Another point I want to make is like we are all in college or college aged.
Like we're all like in our like early 20s, late teens.
Like we are still figuring out like everything about life, like what we want, like who we are and everything.
If we're putting all that energy into like finding a lifelong partner, we're not putting any of that energy into like ourselves and like doing the things that we love and like becoming more and more ourself every single day.
Just to I mean people can your lifelong partner should support you in you doing those things too not just it shouldn't be one or the other.
No, no, I don't think so either.
Really quick just on the economic financial component, you know, both people having to work.
I mean, to me, do you guys think that this makes sense?
Let's say there's a man and a woman, they're together, they're married, and they have a kid, and the woman has a job and she makes $40,000, $50,000 a year.
The man makes $100,000 a year.
Let's say the woman makes $50,000 and they have two kids.
Child care for the two kids, like to send them off to a child care facility or whatever.
Let's say it's $40,000 a year to do that.
Do you think that makes sense economically?
No, not financially.
Like, so, okay, she makes an extra.
So if she makes $50,000, the child care is $40,000.
She ends up making $10,000.
Women And Military Conscription 00:04:37
Just on the economic basis alone, I think that kind of makes no sense.
Of course, a woman can make more than that.
She can make $100,000 and the child care is $40,000.
Yeah, I also think it's important for like a woman or a mother to bond with her children and raise them.
Yeah, I think a mother's going to do way better than some fucking minimum wage, $20 an hour consuela.
Something taking care, taking care of the kids.
Wait, really quick, I guess getting back to the origination of all this is the three-fifths vote thing.
So actually, I think we should just do away entirely with what's the right term.
It's universal suffrage for men and women.
I think we should maybe move to a system where the vote would be accessible by both men and women.
But we move to a system where you either need some sort of stake in the country or you have children, maybe you own a house or you opt into military service.
I think that should be the way you get the vote.
I agree with that.
I don't think just okay, you turn 18, you get the vote.
I think that's kind of bullshit.
Also, sort of tying into the three-fifths thing, I think there is an argument to be made here that women have secured the vote for over 100 years without any duty or responsibility to this country.
Men have responsibility, men have duty, women have no duty.
So I think there's an inequality, unfairness that exists there, which should be truthfully Should either be remedied, remediated, is that the right word?
Should be cured either by making women subject to military conscription or truthfully acknowledging that there is this inequality that exists.
I think there's a compelling argument that we, if we're not, if we're going to make a determination that no, we are definitely not putting women in the selective service, we are not allowing that to ever happen.
I think there's actually a compelling argument that under that circumstance, if we make a final determination, no, women are not going to be drafted.
Yeah, I think we can probably argue to just take away women's right to vote.
But that under that circumstance.
I would assume that we earn our right to vote.
Everyone earns their right to vote through the duty of serving your country, right?
Is that like well, so there's other examples like no taxation without representation.
So yes, men and women are taxed.
However, actually, interestingly enough, if you look over the lifetime of both men and women, men pay into the tax system.
There's a net benefit to the tax system through men.
Women actually take more from the tax system than they put in.
So I mean, there's a bit of an argument there that can be made.
But and then also, like, yes, are women subject to the laws of this country if they commit a crime?
Are they subject to the laws just as men are?
Yes.
However, on this specific dynamic, as it relates to military conscription, women are completely exempt from it.
Men have a duty, women don't.
In order for men to be so in order for men to be able to vote, it is tied to a duty to the country.
So are you saying that because there are legal repercussions which would preclude you from voting if you didn't sign up for the selective service as a man?
So if as a man, if you do not register for the selective service, you basically essentially can't register to the vote.
You can't vote.
You don't have any voting rights as a man unless you make yourself subject to and register for the selective service.
Even if you didn't register for the selective service, the government could still mandate in a military conscription circumstance to draft you.
That's not unique to registering for the selective service, though, right?
Because if you were to commit any crime and you go to jail or prison, then you can't vote because you're in prison.
So I don't know that it's unique to that.
And I also just, I'm very hesitant to agree with you just because I don't trust the government enough to allow them to dictate what groups of people can and cannot vote.
I think that they already do.
Can people under 18 vote?
Well, I think there are lines that you draw.
Why can't we draw?
Can illegals vote?
Well, that's debatable, actually.
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Well, technically, no.
It's all rigged anyways, but it's like, it's just.
But I mean, look, my personal position is not, I personally, as an egalitarian, I don't think that we should take the vote away from women, but we should definitely make them subject to military conscription.
I think we should definitely draft women.
What do you think?
What do you think about it?
Should we draft women?
You'd be a good soldier.
Do you think so?
Oh, okay.
Maybe.
I mean, I well, realistically speaking, like, nobody wants to go to war.
So no.
Like, I don't think we should.
We shouldn't what?
Draft women in the war.
But so I understand that war is bad.
Ideally, there never is war.
Knowing that sometimes, no matter how strong our society and values, there could be a belligerent external nation that wants to invade us, that wants to attack us, that is causing havoc on the world stage.
So, either we need to defend ourselves or we need to intervene in some external conflict that, you know, who knows?
In any case, so knowing that governments and nations and states are never going to demilitarize, they're never going to revoke their ability to call upon and sometimes force its citizenry to, you know, be part of the military.
Wouldn't you agree that if the current situation is men can be forced to go to war, shouldn't we also force women?
If you believe in equality, I think so.
Well, you have, I mean, it would be an entailment of if you believe in equality, you would basically have to agree.
Do feminists fight for that today?
I'm curious.
They definitely don't.
Then, what is about equality?
Well, feminism is not about equality.
I think it's about selective.
Well, you want equality on the surface.
Obviously, it's not anymore.
Feminism is, in its most charitable sense, I give the worst definition, but it's women's advocacy.
Now, there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but it's definitely not about equality because it won't.
In instances where a form of equality could somehow negatively impact or detriment women or burden women, feminists will absolutely fight against achieving said equality if, like I said, it comes to their detriment in some way.
Exactly.
I think that they also fight for things that do come to our detriment as well.
Like, they say that, you know, doing this will make us more equal and stuff, and it will give us more choice.
But we've seen that it doesn't do that.
It does the opposite.
So, like, there's unintended consequences to some of what a lot of feminists have been pushing.
And, yeah, I think there's that side of it as well.
But, any further thoughts on that?
Should we draft women?
Is it still a no, I think?
Yeah, still a no.
Why is that?
Well, do you believe in equality?
I do, but I feel like things just aren't equal in reality.
And like, what do you mean they're not equal in reality?
Well, well, I feel like in some aspects, I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Men just have more, like, men or women just have more of an advantage in some ways.
So, we should like, we should even bar women from volunteering to join the military.
Well, if they want to, that's a personal thing.
See, now that's different.
But if the argument is men are better soldiers because of just their natural physical strength, then shouldn't we just bar women from joining the military or becoming police officers?
Because it's a physical statement.
But if they want to, but if they want to, women can still build that physical strength.
But biologically speaking, yes, men are built to be more muscular and more fit for war.
Hence, they're more advantage if they were to be.
But so, why can't we force women to be soldiers then?
In the same way that we can force men to be soldiers.
Well, you can, but it just doesn't happen.
And it's just never been like that.
But maybe it should.
I'm in favor of it.
Well, you can make it happen then.
But it almost seems like I'm more of a feminist than you are in this regard.
Well, I never said I was exactly a feminist.
How about that?
You believe in equality then?
Sure.
Yeah, I'd say so.
But why not in this regard?
Not maybe not equality.
I believe in equity.
Hold on.
So what is equity in this situation?
Well, what would be equitable?
Well, like you said, if a woman is like voluntarily wanting to do like labor and like military work, then go ahead.
Like by all means, go for it.
Men can also volunteer.
But so what's the equitable solution?
Or what is equity in this context?
Because men don't want to be forced to go to war and die.
Well.
Men.
What is equity, by the way?
Isn't it like giving someone resources in accordance with their needs instead of giving the same amount of resources to everyone blank slate or whatever?
I don't know.
Well, if women can volunteer for the military, then I can't actually see an objection to forcing women into the military.
Fact, I mean, shit, we should equalize combat participation too.
Because even though women can volunteer, they overwhelmingly are not in combat roles.
Now, look, you want the realistic answer.
Men fare much better in combat.
They're more physically attuned to being able to have the capacity to be effective and have lethal ability.
But again, I don't know, I guess explain the equity thing.
Should we just draft the women?
I think we should just draft them.
No.
We should just draft them.
Well.
So maybe that girl was.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
No, I didn't have anything to say.
Oh, well, she was saying that she didn't want to get rid of women's right to vote, but she wanted three-fifths.
So maybe if men have a duty that women don't, men have responsibility that women don't.
I mean, look, maybe we don't fully get rid of women's right to vote, but she's saying that maybe three-fifths.
No?
Disagree?
What do you think?
See you shaking your head?
By the way, this is just a thought experiment here.
I mean, when would a draft ever happen?
Like, honestly, like, that's the thing.
I feel like if you want equal rights and it has to be equal, then yeah, women should be drafted as well.
Well, I mean, I don't know how that would actually be relevant.
So it might never even happen, but.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, it's never going to happen.
But, like, if it is, like, that's the thing.
Like, if we're fighting for equal rights, then we should do the same, like, as what men are doing.
And, like, I agree with that.
Like, women should be drafted.
Right.
Yeah, well, then that would just be a separate conversation, though.
What is the likelihood that the United States would enter into a military conflict where a draft would be necessary required?
That's beside the point.
But so you are in favor of the draft for women, military conscription, forcing women to.
I mean, we force men.
Right, we do force men.
Or, I mean, we theoretically could force men, so we should theoretically be able to force women too, right?
Yeah.
Okay, so you're on board with the person.
I never said I wasn't on.
You're on board.
Why is that?
Why is there?
Why are we considering just like no one being forced?
I understand people are like, oh, we need to have the military.
But why is that not a consideration?
Like, men shouldn't be for no one should be forced to join the military.
I wasn't born.
I didn't ask to be born into this country.
Like, why?
I don't think it's right.
I don't like war.
I don't like the idea of it.
Or I don't think it's necessary.
Like, some people believe, why not just abolish that whole thing?
Like, no one has to.
Well, I mean, if you lived in a sort of idealized utopian world or society, that might be possible.
But I don't think it's ever something that will go away.
It's not something that's unique to the United States.
Almost every single country can call upon its citizenry and force them into the military through military conscription.
I don't think any government or nation or state is going to give up the power to forcibly raise a military to defend itself.
And I think just all platitudes about ending selective service just seems like a bit of a waste of time and energy.
It's kind of like we might as well just say, well, there shouldn't be war.
There shouldn't be.
Okay, well, there shouldn't be crime, but because there it there shouldn't be crime.
However, because there is crime, we should have police officers.
We should have a prison system.
We should have a justice system that can bring justice to those who commit and perpetrate crimes, right?
But crime is bad.
Nobody should be murdered, correct?
Right.
But people do commit murders.
Who do?
Are we going to.
I feel like if people didn't have to do it, maybe the issue isn't like forcing people to do it, but giving people more incentives to maybe that's the issue that they do.
But they do that, though.
More incentives.
Like, it's not enough, obviously.
But could there be a situation where I mean, there definitely could be a situation where even beyond just incentive, well, either the incentives would have to be so immense that it would be economically unfeasible.
Like, yes, okay, you could give soldiers a million dollars per year and people would be fighting tooth and nail to become soldiers.
Like, there would probably be, say, there's a limit as to how many people the military can have in its ranks.
And you just paid soldiers a million dollars, but I don't think economically that'd probably be feasible to do.
Is that the only option?
Like, I don't know.
There are other incentives we can.
Everybody smart can come up with things.
I think they do that.
You pay less taxes.
I don't know.
You can get a school.
Yeah, you get free school.
You give them free education.
They exist already.
Well, yeah, those incentives do exist, but there are definitely situations where you probably, well, not, I mean, historically, there's been situations where, not just in the United States, but other countries, you have to force the men.
You literally fucking abduct them in the street.
Man, if you got you guys upset with this ICE shit, you should see what they're doing in Ukraine.
They're driving military police driving around Ukraine and no, nobody's here.
You don't hear about it because it's men.
They're literally abducting men in the street, dragging them into vans.
They get some like base level military training and then they ship them off to the front line and they're just cannon fodder.
And it's like, yeah, governments do that shit.
That's not okay.
That's wrong.
I don't agree with that.
But look, so I guess back to the point, I think women, we should draft them.
And you can keep the vote.
Or we have to, look, if women don't get through the law, they don't get forced to, at least in the United States, to have to register with selective service within the next, by 2030, I think we got to really start looking at women's right to vote.
Because you guys have had the right to vote for 100 years without any duty to this country.
I think it's about time we have a serious conversation about this.
Do you think that's because women didn't have the right to vote before?
Maybe it's like a, well, we didn't let them vote before, so now they don't have to give up.
Well, there are actually women who were actually anti-suffragettes who were against wanting the right to vote because they thought if they did get the right to vote, it would open them up to the same burdens and duties and responsibilities that men had.
Of course, I guess women quite luckily managed to secure a right without any corresponding responsibility.
And that's sort of the genesis of feminism.
Secure as much privilege and right as possible without any duty or responsibility.
I mean, I don't really vote, and I get a lot of shit for it.
But I feel like a lot of people are.
Justin donated $100.
No one needs female soldiers.
Only American married households with children can vote in U.S. elections.
All incentives aligned.
Cultural carnage recedes.
Simple as.
It's not a bad point.
And I don't disagree.
My position completely.
My position is women should continue to be able to vote, but they should have to register with selective service just as men do.
You're saying that because if a man does not register to vote, I mean, if they don't register for the military, they can't vote.
I don't think that's okay.
I feel like if you, that's messed up.
It's not an okay system.
I don't think that's a problem.
But that's how it is.
So either, I mean, we either, I guess another solution would be to completely get rid of the draft, but I think that that's, I think that's less likely than having women become subject to the draft.
So, look, I think, hey, women, keep your right to vote, but y'all gotta get drafted.
Y'all gotta be subject to the draft anyways.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it should be fair.
Y'all are some badass women.
You guys can do it.
I believe in you.
I'm more of a feminist than you guys.
You guys don't want to get drafted.
I would never claim to be a feminist.
I guarantee you, though, if there was something trying to be passed in Congress or whatever to equalize the draft, all these feminist, all these feminist organizations are going to fight that shit to the death.
Wait, I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second here.
Yeah, sure.
You just said that all those jobs, right, that are predominantly run by men would not be done as good as women, right?
Like you said that those jobs, like such as like blue-collar work or like the clips that you just showed, that women couldn't do as good of a job as men, right?
So do you think women could do as good of a job as men in the military?
And then how is that benefiting our military?
It doesn't matter.
Why not?
It doesn't matter because it all comes down to equality.
And also, women can volunteer.
Look, ultimately, even if we did draft women, it would be the same standard that currently exists with the volunteer military force.
So even when women do join the military, overwhelmingly, they are not placed in combat situations.
They're not placed on the front line.
There are perhaps some examples you can point to, and there are women who die in the military.
But women, there are plenty of jobs in the military that do not involve being frontline soldiers.
There's a lot of people.
So are you saying women shouldn't be frontline soldiers?
Well, honestly, look, if we're elevating equality above all else, yes, make women frontline soldiers.
But then how is that affect, like, how is that?
It would be less effective.
Yes, it would do that.
Yeah.
But if, look, if the virtue, if the value here is equality above all else, then look, ultimately my point is, if women have a privilege or a right, that men have a duty or responsibility in order to have said right, if women have access to said right, they should have a corresponding duty or responsibility.
So why don't you agree with my take on the three-fifths that?
Well, I was actually saying that arguably, if the status quo is going to continue where women just enjoy rights and privileges without responsibility, then actually perhaps your position is compelling in the sense that maybe a woman shouldn't have quite as much of a say as man.
Why should women be able to vote for people and vote to send us to war when they have no, they don't face the same level of peril that men potentially do?
Three-Fifths Sounds Equity 00:02:43
Sounds like equity.
I don't disagree with that.
No, So like what you were saying, like it, like three-fifths to me sounds better than not having the right to vote.
So like, but like if we're being stereotypical and we're making generalizations and we're saying women should be, you know, like stay-at-home moms or whatever.
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry, Brian.
No, you're good.
I just have a headache.
Oh, okay.
I thought I was saying something annoying.
Go ahead.
Okay.
So like if we're making generalizations and women don't contribute as much as like men do and specifically in combat situations, I don't know the statistics, but I think three-fifths sounds good.
And I'm not going to lie, I don't know what the commander-in-chief fully does or all our military operations or the whole thing in Ukraine.
I had no idea that was going on.
And I feel kind of weird being a citizen, a female citizen, having to vote.
I haven't voted because I'm subject to indiscriminate empathy.
I don't know.
And for that reason, I kind of like the three-fifths idea.
When you brought it up, I like the spirit behind it.
That's not the society we live in.
I can empathize with it.
And you could argue it's actually the centrist position too, because there's people that want to full-on repeal the 19th Amendment.
I'm not even saying that.
Well, I don't know if you're here when I was saying this.
I think we should just get rid of universal suffrage in general.
So I think we claw back the right to vote from both men and women because you have a bunch of like really low information voters.
You just, huh?
How would our society function if nobody's okay?
So there's pathways to getting the vote.
So that would be military service, which would be available and open to both men and women.
So that would be one pathway.
You'd have to be a stakeholder in some sort of way.
Maybe if you have children, that's another way.
Maybe there's a civil service component where maybe you're not, you don't join the military, but you do some form of civil service for the country.
But yeah, or you could just, I was going to say raise the voting age, maybe.
That's one option.
25, potentially.
Prefrontal cortex, blah, blah, blah.
Fucking bullshit.
But yeah, I mean, I think I don't know if like our founding fathers, this is really what they had in mind where just we had this degree of universal suffrage.
So what do you think they had in mind?
Oh, people who had like a stake in the country.
I think, what was it originally, like landowners or something?
Oh, yeah.
So maybe somebody who actually owns either maybe you could own a house or maybe you have, if you have children, maybe it could be like a household vote or something like that.
One household gets a vote.
You could, and through military service.
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I agree.
I feel like there are a lot of uneducated voters and that's why I don't vote because I looked at ballots.
I was reading certain, I was like, I don't know what this is talking about.
I'm not even going to vote because I feel like that's unfair.
Well, yeah, you have really low information voters.
And the way they word things too is like they're counting on you to misinterpret what they're saying or they're being very tricky.
So things need to change in a lot of ways.
Okay, we'll move off of that.
But by the way, just to be clear, I'm fine with y'all keeping the right to vote.
Women should be able to vote.
But hey, let's have a conversation.
Y'all should be drafted.
That's my position.
Let's see.
Where were we going next?
I don't know.
Let's get back.
Maybe dating would be.
Who here?
You were born in China.
Is that correct?
Anybody else like born not in the United States?
I mean, I'm born in England.
But you're not, you don't live here, so.
No, I don't know.
Anybody else?
Anyone born somewhere else?
Okay.
You're Indian and you're Indian.
Is that correct?
Do you feel strong cultural ties to your heritage or your culture, like Indian culture?
Yeah, because there's like so many different ethnic groups in India since it's a subcontinent.
And I'm Punjabi personally.
And like the big stereotype with Punjabis is you'll always know because they'll always tell you because we're really prideful people.
Okay.
What about you, Molly?
I mean, I feel a lot of like pride for my culture, but honestly, my parents had a love marriage.
And they both came here when they're really young.
And they also, I don't know any like Indian languages.
They spoke fully English in our house.
Like I know a lot of immigrant parents.
They'll speak their native language in their house and their kids are raised up on it.
No, my parents spoke fully English.
Sure.
And also they were religious, but they didn't, we never went to temple much.
Like, I don't consider myself religious at all.
So I don't, I'm not super Indian.
So you moved to the United States when you're five?
Yeah.
Okay.
And so you have Chinese citizenship.
Yes.
But you don't have U.S. citizenship yet?
I don't, and I don't plan on getting it.
Oh, you don't plan on getting it?
I could have already gotten it because I'm 18 already, but I don't plan on naturalizing.
Oh, why is that?
Because I do have plans to return back to China.
And if I were to naturalize, every time I go back would be like an hassle to have to get a visa and get approved.
But then right now, where I'm sitting with a Chinese citizenship, like a Chinese passport with a green card, it gives me the freedom to just travel freely between two countries.
So I can go back to China for like two months, which I did, and like come back and be perfectly fine, not have to sign any paperwork or anything.
If you had to estimate, like in terms of, so you're 18, in terms of total time spent in each country, what would be the ratio?
The breakdown, yeah.
I'd say like, because I go to, I come here for school.
Like the reason why my family came to the U.S. was so my siblings and I could get an American education.
So I'd say like for 10 months out of the year, I'm here and then like the summertime I go back to.
Since you were five?
Well not every summer.
Sometimes in summers like I have plans and like I have like tutoring, like I have like extracurriculars, but when I have the time, yeah, pretty much.
I'm still pretty connected to the culture over there if that's what you're saying.
Like I'm fluent in my language.
Yeah, you speak Mandarin.
Yeah.
But you lived there entirely for your first five years.
Yes, yes.
And then you came here and you spend most of the time here in the United States.
Yeah, after that.
After my thing, if you spend like one to two months.
Maybe it's like 70-30%.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah, 70%, 70-30%.
70-30%.
70% of the United States.
And your parents don't plan to naturalize to the United States either.
They don't either.
They are just waiting for us to finish school and then they're also going back to China.
Okay.
Are your parents like diplomats or something?
Or what do they do?
What do you mean?
Like for work?
Yeah, yeah, for work.
Well, my mom, she's a stay-at-home mom.
She doesn't do anything.
And my dad works at Apple.
At Apple?
Okay.
Is he like a software engineer?
No, he does something like an HR, but he, yeah, pretty much.
He's the only one that works in our family.
And he's a single-sided.
Do you have siblings?
Yeah.
I have an older sister who goes to UCSB and a younger brother who's 10 years old.
10 years old.
And are they going to stay here until he graduates from college?
High school.
And then at least high school.
So another eight years.
Yeah.
And are you going to stay here until your parents move back or you're moving back as soon as you're done with college?
Well, it depends on where I locate based on my career because I'm trying to get my CPA after my degree.
So we'll just see.
I'm not sure.
But my long-term goal is to do big four accounting in a city in China.
Oh, interesting.
So how do you, I guess, like, how do you come?
I'm just, I'm not maybe unaware of the process.
If the goal is not to naturalize, how do you come and stay in the United States like long-term?
Like, does your father have an H-1B visa or no?
I don't know what it would be categorized as, but.
I actually am not too familiar with how we really got here or anything.
I just know like we did have like we knew people who were just able to do it for us.
I don't know what you want me to say about that.
But you guys are here.
Like you guys are here legitimately, not like illegally or something.
Okay.
You can't call ice on me.
I'm here legally.
No.
No, I'm just curious what the categorization is because there's different ways to stay here long term.
Utilizing your school.
Oh, I saw that comment.
Yep, exactly.
Don't need to justify yourself.
That's interesting.
I have a question for you.
It's interesting, though, because you're not planning to naturalize.
You're not planning to gain citizenship.
Although you've lived the majority of your life in the United States, you've enjoyed the benefits of living in the United States.
You've enjoyed the prosperity of living in the United States, the education system of the United States.
Did you go to a public school for high school?
Yeah.
Okay.
Here's a question for you.
Go ahead.
So imagine a completely neutral hypothetical situation where neither the United States or China is the aggressor.
Neither has done anything unethical.
And there's no moral dimension, just a military conflict that exists.
In that value-neutral scenario, to which side would your allegiance be?
The United States or China?
China, I'd say.
Okay.
And that's obviously biased because I'm Chinese from China and most of my family's there.
But like you said, like you're confused why I don't want to naturalize spending here, being in the U.S. for like such a long period of time.
I think being here for a long period of time made me realize that I personally like my life in China better.
Like it's more convenient.
It's easier.
Like politics aside.
You can't spend your life here.
Yes, correct.
But not by choice because I go to school here.
Like once this is over, of course I want to be back home where I feel happiest.
All right.
I guess that's interesting.
And for me, home is China, not the United States.
I wonder if, I don't even know if, would that be possible for an American to do in China what your parents like I don't know if it's not possible.
And I don't know if you gave that answer or if an American gave the answer you gave in China how that would go over.
But luckily for us, America has pretty robust freedoms, especially related to speech, perhaps unprecedented on the global stage.
But okay, that's interesting.
I mean, my argument does crumble.
It crumbles a little bit in the sense that you're not actively, you're not a citizen of the United States.
You're not trying to naturalize.
So like it kind of makes sense, but it is interesting.
It's like you have lived the majority of your life here, although you're 18.
So you've been under the, I don't know if control is the right word, but like you've been under the authority of your parents for your whole life, basically.
Yeah.
So like when you're 15, you can't be like, fuck you, mom, I'm going back to China.
You can't do that, really.
Your parents have authority over you.
They're your guardians.
Correct.
But this is interesting.
It is an interesting thought.
You know, we've asked this question before to people who have like dual citizenship or who naturalized as American citizens.
Like we had one girl who came from, I think it was Colombia, was it?
Do you remember Mary that episode?
Yeah.
We had a girl who came here, immigrated here from Colombia, became a, she wasn't a legal immigrant, become a naturalized American citizen.
And she said that her allegiance was still to Colombia.
And I found that interesting.
But in your case, it's a bit different.
I don't know.
I think we're cooked in America.
Honestly, look, I gotta be, yo, chat.
Let me ask the chat.
Why do you think I want out?
Well, you know, the thing is, is that I think China is doing a lot of things in some ways better than the United States.
Like, I feel like I've seen construction videos.
Oh, yeah, construction there is insane gets done.
Like, I don't want to say the location, but like near, I mean, there's all kinds of construction around just Santa Barbara, right?
Man, that shit is like, what are they doing?
It takes fucking years for them to do a little patch of road.
It's like, but in China, I feel like they get shit done.
And I wonder if that's because there's probably a bit more of a monoculture.
I think there's an incentive here, too.
The longer you take, the more these companies that we can make money can make money.
Yeah, I think it's just the structure of how things are.
Like in China, you know, like the CCP, everything's run under one organization, versus here, like there's so many bills and like papers that have to be passed, so much paperwork that has to be done to do anything that in China, it's just like, okay, one said and done.
Like they just get straight to it.
Here, it's like so many approvals.
It's just like how the like our leaders, like our government runs, I guess.
I think like that has to be.
Wait, but here's my question, chat.
Chat, do you guys think, I'm worried, bro?
I'm worried.
I think that, you know, I feel like China is a bit of a threat.
You know, I think that they're going to surpass the Chinese.
It's already happened.
England is.
Well, she says it's already happened.
I don't know about that.
I don't know about that.
But in some ways, I do think that.
Have you ever been to China?
Let me ask you that.
No, I haven't.
But I think that there's probably a lot of social upheaval in the United States.
There's a lot of political polarization, social polarization in the United States.
The United States has multiculturalism.
Look, in China, you have like Uyghurs, and I don't know if I said that right, but there are different like, I guess, ethno-groups.
I don't know if that's even like in China, but generally, like the people in China, they're like Chinese heritage.
Whereas here in the United States, like multiculturalism.
I don't really think you have multiculturalism.
In China, you have Chinese culture.
Yes, but we do have like, in the other, we have a lot of different ethnic groups.
Majority are like the Han ethnic group, which is what I am.
But like, there's a lot of different, there's like a lot of cultures within China too.
I wouldn't just categorize like all of China into one Chinese culture.
Like depending on what region you're in, they eat different foods.
They have different practices, different beliefs.
They even look different.
Like people in the north tend to be taller than people in the south because of like climate differences.
Yeah, I don't think it's like all categorized as one.
I don't know if that helps.
Well, I don't think China's fully caught up quite yet to the United States, but I would say that China has a better, I think China probably has a better foundation for social cohesion than the United States does.
So I think like the fall of the United States, I don't think is going to be external.
I think the fall of the United States would be internal.
Internal, correct.
Which I think would be very unlikely for China, for example.
I don't think there's enough political polarization or social upheaval in China.
And so, by the way, I apologize.
We're totally getting off the fucking date fucking talking about geopolitics in China.
I don't know, chat.
What do you guys think?
I mean, isn't it just true, though?
Like, we got a lot of fucking polarization, societal upheaval in the United States.
China seems a bit more cohesive a little bit among its populace.
But isn't there education better?
So I'm just, I'm not sure.
Well, it is, but like the way they do it, like the system is like really detrimental to like students' mental health.
Like, yeah, at the end of the day, like, I guess you can say like China pumps out smarter kids or whatever.
But like, yeah, I think like their education system is something that I wouldn't really like approve of.
So like, yeah, that's why I'm studying here and then like taking this knowledge back.
And would you argue that China like values STEM more than America does?
That I actually am not too sure.
So I wouldn't say.
Also, I mean, the Chinese government has more control, way more control.
Like, for example, the Chinese government can kind of dictate, I believe, didn't the Chinese government, there's something about how the men were becoming too feminine.
Or wait, fuck, I'm trying to remember what this was.
Mary, are you googling it?
Yeah.
Something like they were like, all right, these fucking little education drive to make boys more manly.
Well, there was something like, okay, if you're on TikTok.
China bans effeminate men on TV.
Right, yeah.
Like if you're on TikTok in China, they're gonna like the algorithm on TikTok, and I guess it's named something different in China or whatever.
They're gonna show, like, they're gonna push in the algorithm like science videos.
They're gonna push educational videos.
Whereas here in the United States, the TikTok app is going to push like retarded dances and like just brain rot fucking just slop fucking content.
And that's something proactive that the Chinese government is doing to like not rot the brains of their youth.
You don't have access to everything on the internet either there, right?
Because I had a one of my exes had gone to China, and besides it being like very difficult to, you know, get approval to go to China, I remember he had to get like a VPN to access her insights or whatever it was.
Yeah, that is true for sure.
Anyways, whatever.
We'll get off of that.
I was just curious about that.
Okay, let's do.
Oh, I apologize for the delay on this.
We are going to do the Sarah Stock situation.
So we were going to do it right when the Super Bowl ended, but I think who won?
Yo, chat, who won the Super Bowl?
Seahawks.
Seahawks?
What was the score?
Chat, what was the score?
Why Women View Sex Differently 00:15:33
29 to 13.
Yeah.
Hey, chat, was it a good game?
Was it a good game?
What?
What time it was?
It's the Xawks.
I think there's something before that, isn't there?
That's the first one.
Isn't there like an article or something?
Isn't there an article?
Oh, what's before that?
Here, just do the first one after the ChatGPT stuff.
We'll get into the Sarah Stock drama here, and we'll have the girls weigh in.
All four?
There should be.
No, no, it should be the thing right after the chat GPT.
Before we're getting to the Sarah Stock thing, we have like stories, photos.
All right, we're going to react to these super quick.
Then we're going to get into the Sarah Stock thing.
Go ahead.
All right, this is yours.
This was a story you made beforehand.
Your girl's going on a dating podcast.
Pray for me.
Dating marriage is not easy nowadays.
With God, anything is possible.
You want to be encouraging on the whatever podcast?
You've made a lot of mistakes and want to give people hope.
Next one: Mormonism, religion.
Okay, I'm a little trad conservative, but not extreme.
Okay, well, we're not going to get into that.
But so, what were the mistakes you made?
You mentioned making mistakes.
So, one mistake, I already brought up the essay attempt.
I've attempted multiple times to sell myself in various forms.
They've never gone through, you know, but the temptation's there.
And all I know is when you say sell yourself, do you mean prostitution?
Yes, sir.
What do you mean you attempted to sell yourself?
So, there was, there was a, I'm going to admit it.
So, I tried selling my virginity online.
Not online, but like to meet up with a guy.
There's a place called Cinderella Escorts.
And I thought I could make money from that.
There was someone who made a million dollars from selling their V card.
And I thought I could do something similar because, you know, I need money to, you know, to live and to support a family.
So that was what I had in mind.
That's what I mean by selling myself.
And that was a mistake.
But you attempted multiple times to sell yourself?
Yeah, so I consider OF like a form of selling yourself.
I put it in like the.
I'm talking about the prostitution.
Yeah, so that was just one time?
That was one time.
And that's related to the essay?
No, Oh.
Mistakes, the mistake thing.
Like me committing mistakes.
Okay.
You had brought up the essay thing, though.
But so, okay, you attempted to prostitute yourself.
Yes, sir.
To one man or multiple men?
To someone, hypothetically.
I never met up with anyone to exchange my V card for money.
Okay.
How far along the process did you get to selling your V card?
Not that far.
I just found the website.
I attempted to make an account, but then there was just a lot of application stuff that I had to do first.
And I was just, I was like, you know what?
I probably shouldn't be doing this.
So, what?
It was like you spent 30 minutes on the website and then you backed out?
Yes, but I spent several months, actually years, thinking about doing it until I decided to get on the website.
And you were a Mormon at this point?
Yes.
Isn't that like really probably frowned upon?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
I'm not a good, like.
What was your asking price?
I was going to go for $500K or a million.
Damn, bro.
That's a lot.
Okay.
Some women get that, though, right?
Apparently.
Someone would be willing to pay that.
How did the women prove it, though?
Like, I mean, you can't, like, I don't know.
If a guy's going to drop $500,000, like, how do you actually know for sure?
I don't think there's a way to tell.
You just have to take her word for it.
Like, somebody, you could, you could have been cracked like 10 times.
Yeah.
Crack, Krakening, and nobody would know.
Like, any of you women, who here's a virgin?
Who's a virgin?
Oh, I am.
Well, I mean, obviously.
Why, obviously, though?
Because you've already told us.
Because she said she is.
Like, any of you could just claim you're a virgin, aside from those of you who have kids.
That's not going to work.
But unless it was like the Immaculate Conception or like IVF or some shit.
Like, you could claim you're a virgin.
You could claim you're a virgin.
Like, how would anybody know that you're not?
You know?
Maybe how you act in bed.
Girl configure.
You can have experience and still suck in bed, low-key.
That is true, too.
I want to say, like, the hymen thing, but like, every girl, like, even mine's probably not intact because I did sports growing up, you know?
Yeah, but not every woman has a hymen or it can get broken or if they do horseback riding or tampons or what, you know, whatever it is.
So that's not, the lack of a hymen wouldn't be indicative of lacking a virginity.
But okay, that's fucking insane.
So you tried to sell your virginity.
Damn, 500,000?
Shit.
I would sell my, if I could go back in time, shit.
Bro, a woman would not even give you a hamburger to take your virginity.
Like a man's virginity.
You would, as a man, you'd have to pay a woman to take your virginity.
That's the difference in sexual dynamics, I guess.
You don't have to.
What's that?
You don't have to.
You can choose not to.
Well, what I'm saying is, is like, I don't think there's any women.
There's no woman in the history of ever who would pay a million dollars to deflower a man.
I bet there's one.
Never.
I bet there's one.
They just you just make an internet post.
Any virgins out there want to fuck?
That's it.
That's all you gotta do is a woman.
You'll get take her because you don't get a shit.
You had something on this?
I was just gonna say, I think there's just a differentiation between how like men and women, like, or generally speaking, view sex.
Like, I feel like, well, I feel like men, they see it, they can see it as more of like a casual thing because at the end, there's not like, well, yes, like real, you should, if you get a woman pregnant, you should be accountable.
But realistically speaking, there's no like, like, he could just leave if he wanted to.
But like a woman, like, if you're having sex with someone, if you're choosing to do that, you have to sit with the consequences if you get pregnant.
And there was actually an experiment done on this I learned in one of my previous classes where someone just went around a college campus asking men and women if there was an average looking person, like showed them a photo of a very average looking girl or guy, if there were a girl, would you crack them?
I think it was the statistics where like 75% of men said yes, while zero women said yes.
And the reasoning behind this, psychologically speaking, could be like women, like our egg is seen as like a protective seed that we kind of have to protect and like we're not just willing to just give it to anyone versus men.
Like you guys can recharge, you know, like multiple times a day, every day.
So it doesn't, it's not as sacred.
It's not as like precious to you, I guess.
So maybe that explains why like men are so willing to like give more to have sex with a woman versus a woman is like, why would I pay to have sex with you?
It's like, why would I do anything to have sex with you?
I think it's because like the thing you were bringing up is like about how like the different ratings.
I think it's because women are not nearly as realistic about how men look compared to how men are like towards women.
Really?
Can you elaborate more on that?
Like what do you mean?
Like there'll be a girl that's like a five on a good day and she feels entitled to like an eight plus.
Whereas like men, I feel like they understand like not every woman's gonna look like Adriana Lima, of course, but they understand that there's like levels to it.
Like a six could be like somewhat above average, kind of mad looking, but still have a really datable personality.
And they go for that.
I feel like women are just really like, he's gotta be six feet.
So you think women don't go for personality and we just look for the looks?
I think there's some women that do, but I wouldn't say it's like majority.
Do you think that most women have unrealistic standards?
Yeah.
And you don't.
So you think men's standards are very reasonable then?
I think men are more realistic just about how women look, like physically.
Girls are going to love that one.
Interesting.
I tend to agree with that.
I kind of agree too, like, generally speaking.
But I do think that there are men out there that, you know.
Yeah, there are some men who are.
They think that they can pull Megan Fox.
Yeah.
It's just cold.
But I think that the difference is: so the men think that they can pull, but women can actually pull.
So I think here's one of the differences, and it's something we often talk about on the show.
So men will, as a woman, even if on your looks alone, the guy would never consider you for a relationship.
So there's a threshold where a man will look at a woman and he would sleep with her.
But he wouldn't date her.
But he wouldn't be in a relationship with her.
But he would, if she offers up sex and she gives him sex on a platter, wants a pussy, he'll take the pussy.
Right.
But he'll never be in a relationship with that girl.
Whereas I think typically for women, again, not saying all instances, all times, all women.
I think for a woman to be for a woman to have sex with a man, he needs to be at least good looking enough that she would be in a relationship with him.
Generally.
Now, there could be some situations.
Whereas men, men will sleep with a woman that they don't even want to be seen in public with.
But they'll have sex with her because they want some pussy.
So y'all women, you can pull a caliber of men.
You can have sex.
You have limited access, limited sexual access to men that are above your league, are more attractive in some component.
Whereas men, we don't, like, for example, if I if I shoot my shot to a woman outside of my league, outside of my looks league, here's what a woman does.
A woman needs to go to an attractive guy and be pleasant and offer pussy.
Want some pussy, sir?
And maybe he, it might not work for all guys, but you'll get a guy.
Whereas as a man, if we're making ourselves pleasant and we offer some dick to a woman outside of our league, they're going to, the fuck?
You, no.
So like, you step to a guy outside of your league, he might look at you, and here's the framing.
I'll have sex with her, but nothing else.
A man steps to a girl outside of her league, complete and total shutdown.
Nothing.
You don't get a date.
You don't get a conversation.
You certainly don't get sex.
Even if you're otherwise pleasant and just offering up, maybe the dick could be really good, offering a really good dick.
But even then, no, women are more selective.
And that's not an indictment of women, actually.
I think it's probably more an indictment of men.
But for this reason, I think because women, and also because men are their pursuers, you can be a woman, below average woman, hop on a dating app.
You have 100 dick offers right away.
You're an average-looking dude on a dating app?
No pussy offers.
Zero pussy offers.
Zero on a dating app.
Below average woman.
You could fuck even an ugly woman.
An ugly woman.
If she wanted to, not saying women want to do this.
Y'all could fuck like five dudes a day.
But for a guy to fuck five chicks a day, you got to be like top 1% looks.
You got to be, or like a famous musician, famous athlete, like top male.
Sorry, go ahead.
You want to know?
I was just saying, like, I think that just kind of like proves, like, ties back to what I was saying about like women just see sex differently as like men.
Like they do.
You guys are just.
Yeah.
Okay.
I thought you were trying to disagree or like argue against that.
Well, I think I was more so just pointing out, I think it's more in terms of the likelihood of the Dululu.
Yeah.
Like I think women, women will overestimate their attractiveness because women, even like average or below average looking women, are bombarded with offers, dick offers.
And so you like men would be completely fucking degenerate if the rules were reversed.
Like to women's credit, y'all have restraint.
Like you are turning down a lot of men.
Whereas if the men, like how many dick offers do y'all get per day?
Well, I should, it depends if you're if you're not if you're like not on a dating app you're just not on social media like that's probably not too crazy I try 50.
50 per day?
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, to you guys is credit.
It's probably a good thing.
Y'all are selective in the sense that, yeah.
I don't know where I'm going with that.
Well, it's not just the pregnancy.
I would argue like women are also more at risk of UTIs, too.
That's why they're more pickier.
Yeah, I guess.
Well, not even just like the UTIs or like the medical aspect of it.
I think just how women view our bodies, it's just more of like a temple, I guess you could say.
Like it's more like sacred, and then like a men's body is just more like a regular office building.
I don't know.
I think we're getting farther from that, though, now.
Yeah.
Like, I feel like that's like the more traditional view.
Like, you know, sex is sacred, but now we're like.
But like what Brian said, even now in this reality, it's still true.
Like, men are always going to be down to crack versus like you won't be able to find a like, or maybe you can, but like, generally speaking, it's going to be harder to find a woman that's as down bad for sex as like a typical man.
I don't really like that you called a man's body an office and a woman's a temple.
I feel like everyone's body is a temple, men and women.
That's just like my Christian Mormon outlook.
Well, I mean, I think what she's trying to get at stereotypically, men behind them.
Look, there's women are promiscuous too, but I think men are more willing to play Russian roulette with their dick.
Correct.
I do think we have more than one.
Whereas women, I think, are a little like, look, women, women fuck.
Okay.
I feel like we do have controversy, like, more control in the bedroom when it comes to like the male-female dominancy.
Let's Keep Tabbing 00:04:08
And I'm not meaning because I'm a submissive woman, but if I was to say to somebody I was dating, would you like to have a freesome?
I've got a girlfriend that's like, I want to bring into the bedroom.
It'd be more likely that he would be happy and excited about that rather than if it was the other way around.
I know it's a double standard.
You'd be like, what?
Am I not good enough for you?
So going back to this thing, so you tried to sell your virginity.
You know what?
I'm not proud of it.
I'm a virgin.
Any takers?
We have some single women at the table.
Anybody?
I'll give you a discount.
My price, $1,000.
I'm charging $1,000.
You get to take my virginity.
It'll be the best five minutes of your life.
I'll give you the 30 that I almost gave you earlier.
But wait, then I'd have to lose my virginity.
That'd be awful.
No, that's right after that.
And if you're uncomfortable talking about it, so I understand.
I think you were tying in.
There's like an essay or something?
Yeah, that has impacted my dating.
And I didn't know if it was going to be brought up or if other people were going to bring up other experiences they had from traumatic childhood or something that affects their dating life.
That was the point of that bullet point.
I see.
It affects mine.
I'm sorry.
That is okay.
Yeah, well, sorry to hear that that happened.
But okay, it's not related to the selling the virginity thing.
Did you message with any potential takers?
No.
No, okay.
I'm so glad you did.
Can I join that website?
Can I sell it?
I think there might be a male portion if you want to look it up, maybe.
Sure.
I feel like it would just be dudes trying to.
Yeah.
Like it would just be dudes.
I got it.
Get your bag, Brian.
I have so many chances like that.
I'm going to put it on eBay.
I've never seen eBay on Facebook.
I'm going to offer up.
Auction it off.
See if there's any takers.
End up selling for like 30 bucks or something.
40 bucks.
Okay.
Let's get into the Sarah stock thing.
Let's get into that finally.
Sorry for the delay on that.
Okay.
So there's quite a bit of backstory, quite a bit of detail, so I'll try to be as concise as possible.
I think I need to provide a bit of.
How do I explain this?
Mary, why don't you pull up that YouTube video?
I think we're going to start there.
Okay.
At that time stamp originally.
So, okay.
Was she like an internet celebrity before she came on your show?
Yeah, I genuinely need more backstory.
Yeah, clearly.
I feel like I should have read an American history book or something.
No, no, no, like a girl.
For like four hours, I've had no idea what any of you are talking about.
I'm so sorry.
Hold up.
And you don't need to.
No, I know.
I'm like, should I get back on the name and go to England?
If you put it on video tab, it's going to move it again.
Just put it on video.
Or window tab.
Window tab.
Go ahead.
I'm on a window tab.
Yeah, you're going to have to keep it here and put it back to where it needs to go.
No, no, no.
If you put, leave it on window.
It's on window.
Move.
Now move.
Scrub it while staying on window.
Okay.
What?
Remember with the arrow keys to like move over?
No, don't press play.
Remember with the arrow keys?
Okay.
All right.
So this guy, he says his wife divorced me, took my kids, and I have no idea where they are.
Start tabbing over.
Okay.
Whoa, Okay, hold on way too fast.
Okay, we skipped over a bunch.
Let's just keep tabbing over a little bit.
Keep going.
Okay.
Keep going.
All right.
So this is what started it.
And then keep going.
What?
Sarah's Cheating Escalation 00:10:24
Keep going.
What the fuck is some of this?
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
You said it was a lot later that was.
Okay, there's so much, guys.
Hold on.
Let me think about how I want to approach this.
Hmm.
How do I do this?
I don't know if I'm.
Here, we'll start there.
So that guy is involved.
We had a woman on the podcast named Sarah Stock, and she came on.
This was about two years ago.
She was on.
She came on the podcast.
She's a Christian.
She's a Catholic.
She claimed that she was waiting for marriage.
She claimed she was a virgin.
It's not entirely clear based on the timeline if when she was on, maybe she was a virgin, maybe she wasn't, maybe it was all a lie.
What ended up happening was she currently was married to a man.
And, you know, she was this trad, conservative, right-wing, kind of talking head, influencer, content creator.
She had a 100,000 plus following on X.
She was on like the Jubilee surrounded, I think, once or twice.
And so she's building sort of a brand for herself as this sort of conservative, traditional, Catholic political commentator.
It comes out that, and she just got married a couple months ago, that apparently that guy who I know is a little complicated there, but that guy that we pulled up his tweets, that was her boss, not her husband.
Prior to her marriage, up until the day of her engagement, she was in a, she was basically sleeping with her boss, that guy named Elijah.
And this started in February, allegedly.
Wait, how did this come out?
Someone named Milo Leonopoulos sort of, maybe some other people were revealing this, but he primarily revealed there was a leaked phone call where she didn't fully admit to everything, but did admit that there was a cheating situation, that she did cheat on her.
My understanding is she didn't cheat during the marriage or during the engagement, but she was sexually involved with a married father during the course of her pre-engagement relationship with her now husband, soon-to-be ex-husband.
And so that stems back to, I think, February of 2025 is when she got romantically sexually involved with this other guy, all the while dating her now husband.
She was allegedly cheating on him up until the engagement.
So it wasn't just a one-time mistake.
Allegedly, this was an ongoing cheating situation.
Now, the other complication is she told her husband that she was waiting for marriage.
So all the while he was waiting for marriage to have for them to have sex.
She was selling purity.
She was having, she was getting cracked, let's say, by her boss, who's a Orthodox Christian, or I don't know what his faith is, who's a married man with children.
He's now getting divorced.
His wife is divorcing him.
I suspect the marriage with Sarah and her husband is also heading in that same direction.
So it is complicated in the sense that she was preaching all these conservative traditional values, claiming to be a virgin, making her husband white while she's getting cracked on the low, and just a complete contradiction of her values.
Now we're going to actually, Mary, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to pull up, let's pull up the video really quick.
Actually, that doesn't matter.
Let's just go into the tweets.
Let's go into the first one.
So when this shit went down, she basically immediately deleted her ex, which was her primary platform.
Go ahead, pull it up.
So she deleted her ex when this shit went down.
You would think that if these allegations were false, that she would perhaps defend herself, but she has completely deleted all her social media.
Tab over to the next.
Let me provide some important history.
Now, Sarah was on the show two years ago.
And the reason I'm even talking, one of the reasons I'm talking about this, aside from it being relevant to the podcast, is she talks shit about me.
Okay, she fucking talks shit about me.
She begged, pull it back up, Mary.
She talked some shit.
And she had begged to be on, pull it back up.
She had begged to be on the podcast three separate occasions, October 2023, November 9th, 2023, January 29th, 2024.
And in February of 2024, we finally had her on the show.
Now, you see down there where it says this post is from an account that no longer exists.
She said something to the effect of I was just tweeting.
I wasn't even tweeting about her.
It was something else.
I was tweeting about somebody else who's, we're not going to go down that rabbit hole, but somebody who goes by the name of Ashley St. Clair.
And I'm not going to get into that, but in response to my tweet that had nothing to do with Sarah Stock here, she says, well, your podcast does suck after she had been on the podcast, after she had begged to be on the podcast, and after she kind of a backstab a little bit.
So then scroll up.
So then I leaked the DMs because it's like, how are you going to say my fucking podcast sucks when you fucking begged to be on it multiple times?
Tab over.
So then this is me inviting Sarah to do a debate on her criticisms of the show, why she thinks it sucks.
Now, she calls, the reason I show this, she calls the podcast degenerate.
Now, notice the date, February 15th, 2025.
She calls my podcast degenerate precisely around the same time she began her cheating escapade with a married man who has children and she was claiming to be a virgin and waiting until marriage and cucking her boyfriend at the time, now husband.
And she's calling me a degenerate.
And oh, the guy who she's having the fare with is the guy who said cook.
As in, he agrees with her calling my podcast degenerate.
And they call it degenerate because, you know, we sometimes have OnlyFans girls on, although today we only have one out of ten.
And you know, we talk about sex and blah, blah, blah.
But their position is my podcast is so degenerate.
And then next one, I guess.
So that's the cheating.
Elijah is the cheating partner.
And by the way, he was cheating on his wife, who he has kids with.
And then here's her talking more shit.
This is actually before that shit talking, but so this is kind of out of order chronologically, but she writes, Let me, can you read this for me?
Sure.
There's something very feminine about a man sitting on a podcast chatting and bickering with girls about sex and dating all day long.
Obviously directed at me.
You love the talk shit.
What's that?
Sure, you love a gossip.
Oh, huge fan of it.
Love it.
Love it.
Very feminine, very feminine to be sitting here with all of you guys.
Heaven forbid a man having conversations with a woman.
So feminine.
So, anyways, I actually, I kind of scorched her with a tweet on this.
But next one, Mary.
Okay, so this is just more shit talking.
I'm establishing the shit talking because it's going to matter in a moment.
She calls the podcast total brain, brain rot.
She agrees that it's slop for low IQ retards.
Some, hey, shit, some maybe it's true.
They say it's covert advertising for OF, which is totally not true.
And then she says, yes, I've been on it.
It sucks.
Okay.
Continue on.
Next.
Ah.
Mary, go ahead and make it full screen.
Put it video tab and we're going to play the video.
Go ahead.
Oh, just scroll it back.
Okay, go ahead and play it.
Hi, I'm Sarah Stock.
I'm 20.
I'm from Newport Beach.
I'm single.
I've never had a long, serious relationship or anything.
I've had like two pretty short relationships and a lot of first dates kind of thing.
How many first dates would you say you've had?
No idea, to be honest.
More than 10, more than 20, more than 30?
I don't know.
Probably around 20 over my life.
Okay.
What's the longest period of time that you've dated a guy?
Like two and a half, three months, I think.
Would you call it a situationship?
Have you ever called somebody your boyfriend?
Yeah.
You're also religious, correct?
Yeah, I'm a Christian.
Are you waiting until marriage?
Yeah.
Have you always waited till marriage?
Yes.
You both are virgins, is that correct?
Yeah.
The chip with the helmet on is slaying.
No shame.
Just.
Okay.
What's your body count?
Yeah, it's oh my god, somebody should give it to me.
Don't fucking wear.
Yeah.
I'm gonna grab it.
I'll go.
Get it, girl.
Can I imagine this?
Can I get it again?
Oh, the helmet was cute.
I'm sorry.
I feel like it would be more interesting.
Yeah.
Were we trying to grab something?
We were appreciating the helmet in the video and then we spotted it on the shelf.
I'm really sorry.
I do apologize if this takes away from this video.
Continue playing the video.
Sure.
I 120.
120, okay.
Four.
Four.
Eight.
Zero.
Scroll, Scroll, Ring 00:16:26
Whoa.
Okay.
Surrounded by purity, yeah.
Feel it rubbing off on me.
That's between me and the man upstairs.
Okay, so that's just further establishing a few things here.
Mary, can you pull up the next tab, please?
Window tab?
All right, so that's her on the show.
Now, here's some more detail.
In that's August 4th.
So there's a, this is a secondary part of the story.
Prior to the cheating accusations that came to light, this is all in the past couple days that the cheating stuff came to light.
This is August 4th.
This kind of went viral.
We actually covered it on a previous episode.
So she posted this on X and all the e-girls attacked her.
And I actually don't have an issue really with this.
Maybe there's minor criticisms, but she says I won and showing that she got engaged, right?
And I don't have any criticisms of this, but it did get into this big controversy and all the conservative e-girls started fucking fighting each other over it.
I don't really know why.
I didn't think it was a big deal.
Maybe it was a bit performative and like sharing it online.
I didn't really fucking care.
I thought it was fine.
I actually defended her a little bit despite the beef.
And but then I, after the after the revelations of the cheating, well, I actually had a new interpretation of that photo, that viral moment.
Go ahead, pull it back up, Mary.
So this is my new interpretation of she won.
So I did that.
Mary, can you tab over next one?
Divorce attorney, she won.
And Mary, hit the X, so I just hit X up there.
So I just would write I won just to tab over.
You get the idea.
So yeah, yeah.
Tab over.
Now, oh, this is where it gets even juicier.
So this is she.
So there's something where newlyweds for Catholics, you can have your, you can have your marriage.
It's called a papal blessing.
That's the Pope.
That's the top figure in the Catholic faith.
You can have newlyweds can go to the Vatican and have their, I believe they go to the Vatican for this, but I'm not sure if they, the Pope travels, but I'm pretty sure they go to the Vatican and he blesses the Pope, the top of the food chain of the Catholic faith, blesses your marriage.
And she says, highly recommend getting your marriage blessed by the Pope.
Mind you, the marriage is because of what the new revelations, it's actually completely, I believe it can be the marriage can be annulled.
It's null and void the marriage because of the infidelity and the lying that Sarah Stock there.
Poor guy, poor husband, right?
Oh, I'm marrying a virgin, waiting for marriage.
Okay, next.
Next.
Did you tab over more than once?
Or did you resize?
Wait, what are you doing?
You just.
Okay, can you just go back to the Pope video or the Pope photo and then we'll see what happened there while we're waiting for that.
Okay, just tab over once here.
Okay, that's weird.
Okay.
Click on the image there.
So mind you, Sarah Stock, related to her being a conservative trad grifter, she writes, sex is bad for the soul outside of its intended purpose, yes.
Actually, can I have you read these, her tweets?
Again?
Yeah.
Okay.
Sex is bad for the soul outside of its intended purpose, yes.
All of them?
Yeah, all of them.
Wrong.
Real Christian men want to get married because sex outside of marriage is a sin regardless of whether or not you've committed the sin before.
No, but having sex out of wedlock is a sin against the baby that results from it.
So kind of related to that last one, but also, you know, here she is online talking about sex outside of marriage is a sin, but she's cheating on her eventual husband with a married man who has children.
So quite the sin.
While she's basically kind of being a hypocrite here and being a grifter.
And then also it's alleged, I don't know this for sure, it is alleged by others that she got abortions, which if you're a Catholic, not really supposed to do that.
And if you're a conservative, whatever.
She's pro-choice, or excuse me, she's pro-life.
Next one, Mary.
Again, sex outside of...
It's okay.
I don't know why it's being weird.
Sex outside of marriage is always a sin.
Again, next one.
Oh, is that it?
Okay.
All right.
So I'm trying to think if there's any other details.
Oh, pull up the article.
We'll just do that super quick.
think that's the final thing on this okay scroll down to the oh wait wait scroll up Keep it at the top.
Hey, scroll up all the way to the top, please.
And then you see that thing in the very top left, right?
Just hit X. Hit X, please.
Okay, so this is the final article she wrote for the company she was working for.
This is how easy it is to be a top 10% woman in 2026.
Sarah Stock, scroll down to the don't be a slut one.
What the fuck?
Jeez.
Oh my God.
Yikes.
Okay.
Scroll down, scroll down to the text.
No, Scroll up, scroll up, just to the text part.
No, scroll down, scroll down.
I just need the text.
I don't need that stupid image.
Scroll down a bit more.
Okay.
Can I have you read?
Why is it always me reading?
I'm just picking on you.
Most single young women have been deceived into believing casual prominence behavior is the best way to lock down a high-quality man.
In reality, it is it make it so that only the most desperate men are willing to take you seriously.
Even if you've been acted like a slut in the past, it's never too late to stop.
I shouldn't have to say this, but don't sleep around.
All you really have to do is put on some clothes.
When you're in public, don't wear yoga pants, crop tops, tight short dresses, excessive cleavage, lingerie shirts, etc.
We're going to skip that part and go to the next paragraph.
Regarding your history, regarding your history, it's 2026.
Most women are going to have at least a bit of sexual or romantic past with other men.
What's important is that you don't talk about it, aside from being honest about its extent if things start to get serious with the guy.
Make sure to express regret over any mistakes, but spare the details because most men prefer not to know.
Avoid talking about your exes or bragging about male attention because it actually doesn't make you look desirable.
Please don't talk about male celebrities you think are hot and pretend that the guy you're interested in is the only one that exists.
All right, so a little bit of some indictment there because she's trying, she's sort of hinting at you should suppress some of your romantic or sexual history if you're a woman.
In this case, kind of emblematic here.
She duped her husband.
I'm trying to think if there's anything else to really.
So she deleted her ex.
Who knows if she'll be back?
There's some other details there.
That's the bulk of it.
I'm curious to hear from the panelists what you guys think, starting with you.
On what exactly your reaction, your reaction to the whole thing, the article, the tweets, all of it.
Well, I definitely think she's a hypocrite.
I mean, for everything that she said, like she kind of went against all of it with her actions.
Like, she claims to be this, like, very, like, right, like, I don't know.
Her view, she doesn't align with her views in the way she acts.
Going around the table, what do you think?
Um, well, I think she summed it up pretty well.
I agree.
I think it's very hypocritical, and like, she's not, she's just not, yeah, her actions just don't match her words.
Um, I think she's just like a professional LARPer.
Either it was all for like show, like, maybe a fucking plant or some shit.
But, like, honestly, that's like you're a joke of like a representation of what like real conservatism means.
Maybe it's like to put a negative light.
Like, honestly, I wouldn't doubt if it was a plant.
It's just disgusting, repulsive behavior.
And, like, don't call yourself anywhere near Catholic.
Well, okay.
Did you say she had OniFans?
No.
No.
No, she wasn't a sex worker.
I was going to say, don't scam.
That's it.
I have.
Yeah.
Okay.
What do you think?
It's like annoying to see her tear down like other women and like telling them not to have sex before marriage and all of this.
And then she probably did the worst thing.
Like, not even just she had sex out of wedlock, but she cheated.
Even cheated with a married man who had kids.
Pretty bad.
Yeah.
So yeah.
What about you?
Same thing as everyone else.
Okay.
Okay.
Any idea?
I was going to say she's like clearly a grifter.
Like she just said the things that she knew to say in order to get a platform.
She's just a clout chaser.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Anything, Madeline?
Assuming it's true, because I've never seen this before, but just taking your word for it, it's really disappointing.
I think it's just better to own up to your mistakes.
Like she said, she should take her own advice, be honest about what she had done, say that she's not proud of it.
But now she is caught as a liar and a really bad representation of what she, a conservative, traditional, Catholic, etc.
Do you think some of it's publicity stunts, like the thing with like the ring?
Like, do you think she did that because she knew it would start controversy in order for her to get publicity?
I mean, I think, look, you just got married.
It's a big milestone in somebody's life.
I don't know if she had the intention of starting a controversy.
I don't think it was really even all that controversial, but the e-girl conservative e-girls lost their fucking mind about it.
Some of them lost their mind about it.
I mean, there could be some argument that it was like slightly attention-seeking.
Yeah, I don't really have personally the thing, I don't have a problem with it, really.
I think it's, I mean, me personally, I don't really, I'd prefer to date a woman who has like minimal or no social media presence, but I think it was pretty harmless.
Right.
The ring thing.
The ring thing.
The ring thing, yeah.
But I mean, the primary thing here is the cheating, the lying, the also, I'm just like, how are you going to call me a degenerate?
I'm the degenerate.
You're the one LARPing as a fucking conservative Catholic while getting cracked by your boss while making your husband wait for sex.
That's such a lot.
It's like stereotypically sick.
Like, actually, to call you degenerate is like, it's just like a weird projection.
They were, well, I think they were projected.
Obviously, yeah, because it's like it seems like if she really think about it, if she really actually believed even the basics of like the Catholic faith or what she's preaching about politics, it just it just seems like a bit almost.
Now, the question I'm curious about is was the boss at their wedding?
That's what I want to know.
That, bro, that's got to be brutal.
So you invite I bet, yeah.
He might have been.
The man who basically cucked you is at your wedding.
Shit, it's fucked up.
Honestly, that whole situation is probably one of the biggest black pills/slash red pills of the year.
I want to say that's going to be the biggest black pill/slash red pill of the year.
Do you think she can make a comeback in any form?
No, she's done.
She's 100% done.
She deleted her Instagram too?
I think she deleted her Instagram.
She deleted her ex.
I mean, look, she might try to do a comeback.
Oh, the crazy part.
Oh, I totally forgot about this.
I'm wondering if we can find the tweets.
Wait, Mary, can you find the guy's ex?
So do you remember that one?
If you Google Elijah Schaefer X, oh, this gets fucking crazy.
Hold on.
I totally forgot this.
Find his ex account, Mary.
I don't know if he deleted the tweets, but yeah.
I mean, I look.
Elijah Schaefer.
Yeah.
Do you have his ex?
Yeah.
Make sure it's like okay to show, but you want to just pull it up to confirm.
So he apparently he doubled down when this shit came out.
This is her fiancé?
No, no, this is the cheating partner.
This is the guy who her boss who's married and has kids.
You got it?
I think it was the wrong one.
Elijah Schaefer X, Twitter.
Okay.
Well, I think it's the wrong one, Lily.
No.
But you can find it from the, remember where he said cook?