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Alex's Tech School Adventures 00:01:31
Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
We're just going to dive right in, have the guests introduce themselves.
Go ahead.
Yep.
So my name is Alex.
I am 24 years old.
I am from Oklahoma City.
I do stand-up comedy, basically just in Oklahoma, and I'm an online whore as well, sometimes.
And then what else we got?
I went to a tech school in Choctaw, Oklahoma for mechanics, and I got all my certificates in that.
And that's about it.
Okay.
I also have a split tongue.
And you're a mechanic.
What kind of, did you work on a specific kind of car?
No, so what it was for, I was on an engine building team for 350 small block motors.
And we went around the United States and see how fast we could tear them down and put them back together.
So that was really cool.
And then just the basics, of course.
Okay.
All right.
You did the tongue thing on the ground?
I did the tongue thing.
Okay.
I did it.
There you go.
Just for y'all.
How long ago did you have that done?
That was like June, I believe.
I was just really bored with myself.
What's the healing time on that?
It was like a week.
It was pretty gnarly.
I definitely regretted it in the very moment because I was just drooling all over my fucking self.
Okay.
But I think it's pretty cool now.
There you go.
There you go.
What about you?
My name is Kitty.
Share Age, Keep Private 00:05:44
I'm 25.
I'm an influencer.
I would like to go back to college because I'm not very good at college.
But I'm going to try again.
Where are you from?
Oh, and I'm from Los Angeles.
All right.
And you say you're an influencer.
What do you do for content?
I like to bully men online.
You bully men online.
Okay.
And you do OnlyFans, is that correct?
Yep.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Char Shar Gates.
I'm from Oklahoma as well, Oklahoma City.
My career is I'm an adult entertainer, mattress actress, online comedian, whore online, bully white men for money, all the above.
Yeah.
And no, I don't go to college, obviously.
Don't go to college.
No, sir.
She's a slut and she knows it.
You guys are really with the online whore thing.
You guys are just owning it.
Okay, there you go.
Here comes the whore.
Love that.
Hey, it is what it is.
What about you?
Well, I'm going to continue the chain of I also do OnlyFans.
My name is Lavinia Roberts.
I keep my age and location private, but I do live on a farm.
Well, the location doesn't really matter, but why the age?
Well, because I already show everything online, I can keep some things private.
Is that like an age play thing?
You want it to be.
Oh, fuck.
I'm joking.
What's your age, by the way?
24.
24.
But I do OnlyFans, and I did a year and a half of college, and then I dropped out.
But I went for media and marketing, and I was going to be a producer.
Well, we need to know the age.
I don't need your location, but we'll have to do a compromise then.
How old do you think I am?
Mid-20s.
I can go with that.
Yeah, I need an exact age.
An exact age?
Yeah.
So you're 22.
You're 22 today.
Not a minor.
Off to a good start so far.
Okay.
Okay, what?
Do you want to just, so we can move the show along?
Can you just share your age, please?
I don't share it.
Sometimes it's dangerous, I feel like, giving out your date of birth.
I'm not asking for a date of birth.
I'm just asking for her age.
I don't share it.
Why not?
For privacy reasons.
I like to keep some things private.
How would that have an impact on privacy?
How would it not?
The more information someone has about you, the more they can.
Yeah.
I don't see how maybe date of birth could do something, but your age seems kind of.
I mean, I already like post very explicit things online.
I try to keep as much private as I can.
Because I'm not going to give you my age.
Genuinely?
I mean, look, you're already trolling.
It's the first time.
I swear I'm not.
I don't do it anywhere.
I mean, it's not just your age refusal.
You're kind of doing a troll along with it.
Wait, what makes you think I'm trolling?
Do you believe in tonality?
Oh, sorry.
Yeah.
I'm an eldest daughter.
I don't see how that's relevant.
Thank you for sharing that, though.
Do you want to just go ahead just for the sake of moving things along?
Do you want to just share age?
I don't need your date of birth.
Okay, we'll go with 21.
Doubtful, but okay.
What about you?
I'm Brianna.
I'm 19.
I'm from Los Angeles, but I go to school here.
I'm a college student, and my major is business administration.
All right.
Welcome, welcome.
What about you?
My name's Brooklyn.
I'm 22.
I went to college and got my degree in human services, but now I do OnlyFans.
Oh, I live in Florida.
All right.
And you graduated, you said.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Faith, and I am 26.
I am from Washington State, and I work in government.
I have a little bit of college experience, and I studied psychology.
Okay.
Do you have a degree or?
I don't.
Okay.
Sorry, remind me where you're from again.
Washington State.
Washington State.
Got it.
What about you?
Yeah, my name is Olivia.
I am 27 years old from Orange County, California.
I work as an event coordinator, social media manager, and basically design manager for a luxury fitness company or club.
And then I have a degree in visual communications and design and another degree in business entrepreneurship.
All right, cool.
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Okay, going around the table once more.
What is your relationship status?
I am a single mommy.
I'm a single mom.
Okay.
How old is your kid?
Juxy.
MILF.
Sorry.
Yeah, I am a MILF.
He's two.
Going on three in November.
Okay.
He's six.
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Okay, so you have a kid?
Yeah.
And you said you're single?
Yes.
Okay.
Nobody, no guy in the picture?
Yeah, I mean, obviously his dad, but we're not together.
What's the story there?
I just wanted to get married and settle down, and he didn't want to get married.
And I thought that it would be a good idea to get married before I even had the children, but obviously that's not how it went.
He thought it was too much money to get married.
Obviously, we could have just went to the court and got married, and it just never happened.
And I didn't see it going long term after that whole thing.
And then he cheated on me.
After the marriage when I was two weeks postpartum with an OnlyFans bitch.
So it kind of runs deep there.
Yeah.
And that was a three-year relationship?
Yeah, it was.
Three-year relationship.
About three, four years.
Okay.
And how long have you been single?
About a year.
And that was a year ago that you broke up with the father of your child?
Yes.
Okay.
Single for one year, any rebounds?
Yeah, here and there, but not really anything like too solid just because I don't want to introduce anyone to my son because it's weird.
Yeah.
You want to make sure it's the right person.
We're going to get there when the time comes.
Okay.
So, question though, had you, before you got pregnant, had you.
By the way, was it a planned pregnancy?
It was a planned pregnancy.
Okay, so you guys were trying to get pregnant.
I was, yes.
Yeah.
I want to have a bunch of children, and I was like, let's go.
Because I had it in mind that we're going to get married.
We're going to live a beautiful life.
La And so I got married.
No, not married.
Got pregnant and I was like, oh, yeah, he's going to marry me.
Nope.
Psych.
And I was like, oh, shit.
Okay.
And so just one kid, though, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
And the kid is one year old.
He's two.
Two years old.
Okay.
And so, let's see.
How far into the relationship did you get pregnant?
About two years ago.
About two years, yeah.
Two years.
Okay.
And you broke up about a year later.
Yeah, he was about six months old when we had.
Now, prior to having the kid, had you guys broached the marriage conversation?
Yeah.
And it was like clear as day.
We're going to get married.
You know, he.
He said that.
Yeah.
He had his grandma's ring picked out, resized for me.
So in my head, I'm like, okay, so anytime now, you know, we were obsessed with each other, it was no problem.
And then I fall pregnant.
And I was like, okay, so he's going to propose to me.
Never happened.
So I was like, okay, well, now what?
And then when I became two weeks postpartum, he lost his job because he couldn't keep his mouth shut.
And then I had to go back to work with stitches in my vagina because I had to go back to work.
Did you panic or no?
I was a bartender.
Bartender.
For a long time.
I see.
Okay.
Huh.
Yeah, so it was very strange and not something that I expected to happen.
But things happen, and now I have a beautiful son out of it.
And hopefully I could have more sons and more daughters because I want a daughter next.
Hopefully married.
Besides the marriage dispute or the dispute over wanting to get married, was the relationship otherwise good?
No, it was wonderful, yeah.
It was great.
It was just like, it was just kind of like a slow downfall.
You know, you get pregnant, things start happening, there's money issues, you know, when am I going to quit my job to stop working?
Blah, And so, and then, you know, the porn came into play when I was like two weeks postpartum.
You know, we obviously can't have sex for two months.
And then I caught, you know, like OnlyFan stuff, porn, the whole nine.
And I was like, oh, fuck.
Okay.
And then it just slowly downhill from there.
Wait, when did you start doing OF?
This was in March.
So.
March.
So after the breakup?
Pretty close.
A couple months after the breakup, about four months after the breakup or something.
Prior to that, you'd not done any kind of sex work?
Not really, no.
Not much.
Maybe like.
No.
Okay.
I worked at like a bar called Twin Peaks, which is kind of exploitive.
But, you know.
Is it like Hooters?
It's kind of like Hooters.
But I was a bartender.
Okay.
I made decent money.
Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting.
And do you think what precipitated the breakdown of your relationship was the dispute over marriage, wanting to get married?
Yeah, probably that and just like the.
On his end, or do you think it was kind of you driving that?
Probably both.
Probably a little bit of both.
Like him thinking money is everything and me being like, no, we can just go to the court and get married.
He's like, no, that's like a whole nother situation.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
So we're like on two different paths here.
I thought you wanted to get married to me.
Okay.
So it's just like, very strange.
Very strange.
Interesting.
Yeah.
But besides the dispute over marriage, the relationship was mostly good, it sounds like.
I mean, we were broke.
Don't get me wrong.
We were poor.
You know, we're living in the ghetto of Oklahoma City and we weren't making that much money, but I thought that was just fine because, you know, we had each other.
Now I'm having a child and it was great.
It's interesting.
And then, you know, somehow you're too broke to get married, even though it's a $40 document.
Well, here's a question for you.
Do you think had you not pushed on the marriage issue, you guys would still be together?
Probably not.
Just because also the postpartum stuff with, you know, having to go back to work because he couldn't keep his mouth shut at work and got fired.
What do you mean, keep his mouth shut?
Did he have like he had like an altercation?
No, he had an altercation at work and it was like this whole thing that got him fired.
And if he would just shut his mouth and worked, I could have been a stay-at-home mom for just a little bit more because I feel like I definitely missed out on the postpartum of getting to bond with my child.
And that was just something I couldn't forgive.
And it really ruined the marriage.
Okay.
The relationship for me.
Also, I noticed you have a, I think it's a nine-inch nails tattoo.
Oh, is it my Empire of Dirt?
This really shitty one?
Yeah.
You should have worn something to show some of more of the tattoos.
Oh, some of them are garbage, let's be honest.
Why did you get them then?
Well, you know, a lot of drunken nights.
Okay.
A lot of drunken nights.
So there's some tattoos that you regret?
I regret the placement of them.
I mean, I have beer and whiskey on my Ankles.
Okay.
No, they have stories.
I don't really regret them because they're hilarious.
Hold up the see the sleeves, I guess.
Look at that.
Okay.
Amazing work.
Crazy.
The tooth on the elbow ones is kind of interesting.
The teeth.
Huh.
Okay.
Enough about me.
Yes.
Enough about me.
Okay, but in the year that you've been single, have you had been seeing a guy one month, two months, three months, anything like that?
I had one guy that I was kind of seeing, but with the kid, I just was like, I don't really want to introduce anyone to my son.
And even like my friends, I feel somewhat uncomfortable with them meeting my son just because it's such a like, dear and close thing to me that I feel like no one else should have access to it unless I'm like, absolutely positively sure that I'm going to be with this person for God knows how long.
And he's a redhead, so I don't want him to be the ugly, red-headed stepchild.
So your kid and uh, wait.
I had one more question on this, but I ask her a question, how do you trust a man after that?
It's fairly easy.
It's fairly easy.
I love men.
I have a lot of men in my life.
My dad's awesome.
He takes care of my son when I'm.
I can't obviously right now even just to be here.
My dad is probably watching my son right now.
So, and I have an older brother, I have a little brother.
I respect them very much and they've showed me that it's not all men, but some men who are horrible.
But at the same time, I know how to forgive people and that's why today I have a good relationship with my baby daddy, because I don't take it as a fault and just feel like okay yeah, time to learn again, time to run it back.
What's the custody arrangement?
It's just 50, 50 yeah.
Is it through the court or is it informal?
No, it's just kind of informal.
Okay, he gets him.
I drop him off Thursday at daycare and he picks him up that Thursday evening and he brings it back to me Sunday.
Does he pay you child support?
No, okay.
Do you pay him child support?
No okay, it's 50 50 50, 50.
Well, sometimes in 50, 50 custody, there's still child support flowing one way or the other.
That would be insane.
But if he needs anything because at this point I make more money than him and I always tell them if he needs anything diapers wipes, clothes I will be more than happy.
Okay, to give him child support if needed.
So you guys are uh, we have a good relationship uh, good.
Uh co-parenting yeah, very well.
Situation, well, that's good.
And um, you're also comedian yeah, and I looked at your instagram.
It's uh, it's actually funny.
I'll give you that.
There's some funny stuff on there.
Thank you uh, how long is your typical set?
About 30 minutes 30, 30 minutes, 30 minutes.
Now, I could do five.
I could do ten three three, maybe.
Uh, we should don't, don't put me on.
Well uh, you know what we'll do when I, at some points during the show I have to get up.
Uh, we'll have you do your comedy set when I get up okay yeah yeah okay, all right, i'll do that.
Uh, relationship status for you.
What do you single single, how long you been single for?
Um two, three years, two to three years.
Longest relationship, um Two years.
No, a year?
A year and a half?
It was a little hazy.
Yeah, forgot.
Yeah, I did.
It was like after high school.
Drugs.
Meth.
So 1.5 years.
Was that the one that ended two to three years ago?
You said you've been single for two to three years?
No, that was after high school.
So I was like 18.
Okay, got it.
So you've been single for two, three years?
Yeah.
Any prospects in that time period?
Yeah, I have.
Like, what's the longest period of time you've seen a guy in the past two, three years?
A couple months?
Yeah, a couple men.
Any of them that you called boyfriend?
Taking Advantage? 00:10:08
No.
Any that you said I love you to?
No.
No?
Okay.
Single for two, three years.
Also, you, and I don't know if this is a bit of like an act or whatever, but you dominate men.
I do, yeah.
Okay.
So you're what you think you refer to yourself as a domi mommy.
Is that correct?
Yeah, a little unassuming, huh?
Okay, so you, you, uh, I can see it.
You make men wear leashes, apparently.
In fact, before the show, you proposed.
Well, why don't you tell them?
Do you want to put on a leash?
Well, I'll pass.
Thank you for the offer, but have you tried it?
Like, I think you should try something put a leash on me?
Yeah.
No.
What about on a girl?
On a girl?
Not a leash.
I'm not a collar for sure.
What we're talking about.
But certain aspects I'd keep a little private.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, but okay, so that is interesting.
And then you said you bully men.
I do, but it's all consensual.
All consensual.
I wonder if, I don't know, maybe I'll open this to the panel.
Even under a consensual framework, can there still be things that are problematic, even with consent?
I think there can, but I don't have a specific example at the moment.
I think it would probably have to be in the moment.
Like, say if they withdraw consent, then it's like, oh, okay, like, we can stop now.
Yeah.
I mean, look, people have their kinks or whatever.
Like, I think certain sadist, sadistic acts, even with consent, I think are can be a bit problematic.
I agree.
Yeah.
Especially when it comes to like a lot of the physical stuff where there's like punching and slapping.
Where you're causing harm.
Yeah.
I mean, it's hard to say, though.
Where do you draw the line?
But, okay, so you bully men.
Because on one hand, I'm sure you get paid for it, right?
They give you money.
You're like a fin dumb or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you drain their bank accounts or do you do that?
Oh, I did.
Some dude got mad at me.
I drained three of his credit cards and then I never heard from him since.
Have you bankrupted somebody?
I don't think so.
They've never told me if so.
Like, okay.
For example, we've had some girls come on the show who say that they do fin dumb and they drain men and the guy wants to be to the point of bankruptcy.
And I wonder even under a consensual framework if this is copacetic to fucking bankrupt somebody under the guise of a consensual kink.
I don't know.
I just don't know where they're going to be.
How do you bankrupt somebody?
I don't get it.
Like, you drain them?
What does that mean?
Well, they like have a fetish or a kink.
And so part of their kink would be to be financially dominated, and they send so much money to the point that they like, maybe they stop being able to pay their rent.
They end up homeless.
They, you know, go into so much debt even that, yeah, they become bankrupt because they're willfully giving their money to a FinDom.
Yeah.
So I mean, I think it's like an addiction.
It is.
Yeah, there was a guy.
It definitely.
Would it be funny if we did it to a woman?
Oh, yeah.
So if I financially dominated a woman and she was homeless because of our consensual hilarious.
Yeah, but I think it does have a point.
At what point could I, the FinDom person or even external observers, at what point can we be like, okay, we're taking advantage of somebody who's mentally ill.
Yeah, maybe.
That's exactly what that sounded like, actually.
It is.
I agree.
100% is.
And so, I don't know.
I don't know.
Have you seen someone walking around on the leash?
You know how funny that shit is?
Well, I don't think people should do that in public.
Oh, no.
They shouldn't.
But have you seen it in person?
I've seen it in person.
And I think the leash stuff, while it's peculiar, if you do it in private, not something I'd be interested in, but I don't think that it's crossing a line of some form of abuse, really.
That's gotta be something.
I mean, they think they're a dog or a cat walking around or barking.
But some people do that shit in public.
Yeah, they do.
Do you do that in public?
I do, but it's not like sexual-ish.
It's more like a funny thing.
Like people will see and they go, oh, ha ha.
But they wouldn't.
But like the guy you're doing it to is being sexually gratified, right?
Well, yes and no.
seen the guys actually do have fun but i've never seen like a boner or something like i've never seen You acknowledge that it's a sexual fetish.
Yeah, but I think they mostly don't show it around me.
I think they go home and they're like, yeah, I really enjoyed that.
Thank you for this session.
Like, I've never continued.
Sorry.
Continue.
Oh, I just said I've never had like, they never moan or anything.
If someone walks by, they're like, oh my gosh.
Do they wear a gimp mask?
No, they don't.
Do they wear just normal clothes?
Yeah, they can wear a mask if they want, if they like want to be anonymous.
And so you'll walk them down the street like a public street.
I don't do public streets often, but I have done that.
You have done it.
I have, yeah.
Now, I know you want to jump in.
I'll just make my point quickly on this.
So in the BDSM community, it's you're not supposed to involve strangers in your kink, in your fetish.
So like you're kind of, you shouldn't be doing that shit in public.
I don't know.
For me, it's not really BDSM.
Well, I mean, it is.
It is.
Yeah, that's BDSM.
It is, but it doesn't really feel like it.
doesn't feel weird and it's more like what do you feel about like the children that are like watching you walk a dog oh Oh, I've never been around children.
Because like BDSM, it's all on the framework of consent.
And so if you're going into public, the people who are like observing you engaging your like cuck or whatever, I don't know how you would describe these guys who do this shit.
Yes.
How you describe they're like, it's part of their fetish.
They're sexual fetish.
So they're being sexually gratified in public.
Kind of a big no-no in BDSM to be doing that shit in public.
Hey, do it in private?
I don't give a fuck.
Probably should, you know, there's children out in public.
Even if it's adults witnessing it, I don't think you should do that in public.
Yeah, it's just funny to me and I don't know, they're not naked or anything.
Well, yeah, I mean, absent even nudity, I still don't think people should be doing like BDSM displays in public because they're not, these strangers aren't consenting to it.
Yeah, I guess so.
Food for thought.
Food for thought.
But going back to the FinDom thing.
Oh, I know.
The question for the panel was, can you um uh, when it comes to draining these men's money, is it uh, crossing a threshold into taking advantage of somebody?
I've actually seen this with um relationships, when a woman makes more money and the guy doesn't have a job and he's taking advantage of her money, and that's I don't know, because she's consenting to it, but he's also I don't know if that's the same thing you.
Not the same thing.
I don't know if it's the same thing.
No, but you talked about like taking advantage of a woman's money.
So that's what I thought about.
Did you have something that you wanted to jump in on?
Yeah, absolutely.
So first on the performing in public, I noticed that you mentioned a lot about how it made you feel and how you felt about it.
And it seemed like there wasn't a lot of consideration about how other people feel about it.
So I just would take that into account.
Because how you feel about it is one thing, but that choice is within your control.
So if you were uncomfortable with it, you would be able to not make that choice and do it privately.
However, because you're doing it in public, other people don't have that choice.
As far as the FinDum thing, I would say there is a line where you cross where it is taking advantage of someone that's vulnerable.
I know that it's voluntary, but it's voluntary to a point, especially when people have these fetishes that become addiction-like.
Similarly to how you get a certain amount of plastic surgery and doctors will refuse to operate on you for ethical reasons because it's clear that some people get addicted or it's not good for their well-being.
And additionally, you're not just considering the person, the man or whatever, who's consenting to doing these things, but that man may have a family.
And so not only are you putting, are you taking advantage of him being in a vulnerable position, but you're putting his family in a vulnerable position.
And when you are bankrupted to that degree, it is very hard to come back from.
And so I just think that it's unethical to take it to that point.
I get that you think it's funny.
I get that you don't think it's that deep.
But maybe as you grow up or widen your perspective a little bit and take others into account, you will realize that a lot of stuff's actually deep.
Curious About Cash? 00:03:02
Anybody else want to weigh in on the topic at hand?
I think we should bring back mental institutions and start fucking packing it in there.
That's a good idea.
Why did we get rid of them?
Ask them, who got rid of that?
What was it?
Was it Reagan?
Yeah, Reagan.
Ronald Reagan.
Yeah, I think that's it.
Ronald Reagan defunded the.
And now there's homeless people everywhere on the streets.
We need them back.
I think we should just bring them back.
Bring them back.
You know what?
Since we're on the topic, we have a segment kind of related to this.
That's a fun, fun little segment.
And then we'll get the rest of everybody's relationship status.
Just curious, who here has cash on them?
Like, I know you guys have your purses back there.
Who has like cash in their purse?
Anybody?
I do.
Cash?
Cash?
No cash?
No, no, cash.
We spend it on the guy outside painting.
Okay.
Cash.
I got a dollar for you.
No cash.
You need a dollar cash?
Yeah, I have a cash.
You want a dollar?
Do you have cash?
You want a dollar?
You got cash?
How much cash do you have?
$100.
100.
Well, you know, this is a fun little segment.
So it's kind of a Uno reverse.
So, you know, a lot of you here have OnlyFans.
You get men.
Even if you don't have OnlyFans, maybe you've had the experience of a guy just sending you money or buying you, getting you an Uber, buying you gifts, just sending you money just because you exist.
Role reversal.
This is a bucket list, just a little funsy thing you can do just to say you did it.
Reverse simping.
So you guys, you got cash.
I know you got more than a dollar.
Don't be stingy.
Can you, yeah, I'm just going to fin domming you guys.
So can you guys go get some cash?
Give me the cash.
I want the cash.
You can give me cash?
Yeah, to like, be like, give me the cash.
Do give you.
You have to be like, give me the cash now, kitty.
All right, listen.
Is that actually your name, by the way?
It's been my nickname for like ever, so it's kind of what I go by.
Okay.
You want a bit more of an assertive.
Act like me, act like me.
Like a petite Asian woman?
Yeah, yeah.
And then you have to like have a tone and be like, okay.
Be like, give me your money.
You can tell her what she wants.
$3, I'll take it.
I'm taking it.
Thank you.
Thank you, dear.
Appreciate it.
All right.
And if you can.
Oh.
Oh, you want me to.
You have to act like me.
Roll reversal because I'm simping now.
Just curious, what's your, are you Cambodian?
Filipino.
Filipino.
Yeah.
I don't speak Tagalog.
That's okay.
I don't need it.
I'm not afraid of demanded in Tagalog.
That would have been funny, but I wouldn't have understood you.
Oh, you don't speak Tagalog?
Okay.
Listen up, fucking piece of shit.
You fucking.
I want you to get up out of your chair right now.
Go to your purse.
Mid-cry.
Lost Eyesight, Gained Insight 00:06:46
You need to start crying on your way over there.
Get me the money.
All of it.
All of it.
Drained.
You're about to be drained.
Okay.
That was good.
That was pretty good.
Ta-ta.
That was really good.
Was it good?
Amazing.
That's got to be bitch.
I'm excited.
That's kind of crazy.
It was exciting.
Okay.
Interesting.
Okay.
Wow.
That was.
Show us the tongue split really quick.
Let's.
Yeah.
Is it, was that like a revenge thing on your husband?
Like, you're missing out, bitch?
No.
I was just bored.
What does that feel like?
What is it?
Does it feel like in my mouth though?
Yeah.
No.
I may have lost my wallet.
Fake.
She's lost.
Bullshit.
Dude, I lost it.
Bullshit.
She doesn't want.
Hey, okay, whatever.
It is what it is.
Let's continue on with the relationship status.
What about single?
Single.
How long have you been single for?
Almost a year.
One year.
Yeah.
Okay.
About 11 months.
Longest relationship?
Three, four years.
Three to four years.
It's like three and a half, yeah.
Okay.
And is that the one that ended a year ago?
Yeah.
Okay.
Who broke up with who?
It was like mutual.
Mutual.
Okay.
I don't know.
I kind of like ran away from Florida to get away from him because he's a little crazy.
He's crazy.
Okay.
And in the past year, have you dated anybody?
Dated?
No.
Anything?
Okay.
And then I do have a question about the exotropia or the lazy aisle.
Of course.
Okay.
And so you weren't born with it.
What's the story there?
I have a twin brother and he stole some of my money and wouldn't give it back.
So I, you know, shoved him and he just knocked me.
Yeah.
He knocked you out.
Yeah, like punched my eye out quite literally.
Like he tore my retina.
Like I have like, like in this eye, it's 20, 20 in this one.
This one is 20 over 280.
So I can barely see.
Shit.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And peripherals are amazing, though, I will say.
You got good peripherals.
Peripherals.
You can be over here, think, I don't see you.
I see you.
That's like a survival adaptability thing.
Oh, 100%.
Now it's.
You can see it.
Um, and so which it's the, can you guess?
It's the left eye that's the more functioning.
Which left?
That.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And is there a way, is there like a surgery for that?
So I've actually, I am signed with like a modeling agency and they've like tried having me go and see if I can get a surgery.
And I've had three doctors not recommend it.
It's not definitive for one.
And every time they do it to straighten it out, I could lose more eyesight in that eye.
Yeah.
It's not worth it to me.
It's a sensitive area.
Yeah.
Damn, that's crazy.
Your brother, you, are you guys on good terms?
I mean, we cool.
Yeah.
Stab him afterwards or something?
No.
Did you get revenge?
Not yet.
Oh, oh, shit.
Not yet.
And how long ago was this?
I was 17.
I'm 17.
Okay.
So that was like seven-ish years ago.
Shit.
Yeah, I'll know if my sibling fucked my eye up.
what's it called when you like distance yourself from like a estranged estranged yourself yeah i'm like i'm pretty i i don't like talk to him normally Like when I see him, it's like at family shit.
Wait, so he stole some of your money.
Yeah.
And then you confronted him.
Yeah.
And then he knocked you out.
You put hands on him.
I shoved him, so therefore I deserve to get my eyesight knocked out.
God forbid.
The white girl catches emotion.
Well, I mean, shit, family.
Look, people shouldn't put their hands on anybody, but kind of a fucked up situation.
Yeah.
And how are some guys into it?
Like in terms of dating?
It's a dating podcast.
Does it present any issues?
So, I mean, as somebody who doesn't honestly give a fuck about dating, I don't, I wouldn't know.
I honestly am the one that lets down more men than I get let down.
You reject.
Yeah, that's normal for women, though.
I actually think it could be a positive for like an autistic guy.
It's a kink for a lot of men.
Some guys might, it could be a kink, but I think like, because autistic men, like eye contact can be an issue.
So I almost think like sometimes, you know, also sometimes.
Okay, I look, I'll.
Oh, listen, you're not even lying.
Continue.
I'm listening.
So I'll go there.
Like, sometimes girls just be like looking at you during sex.
And it's like, sometimes that's okay, but also it's like, can you just, can I just cover your face with like a my t-shirt or something?
And so I feel like you're halfway.
Like, I feel like it'd be less if you were looking at me.
I wouldn't feel as much.
Yeah, you probably wouldn't feel as bad.
Yeah.
Well, as bad.
That's understandable for sure.
No, but it's just like sometimes she's just looking at me.
I'm like, can you look away?
You know, so I feel like that's when you put your total mindset.
I'm trying to silver lining this.
I'm trying to, you know, the silver lining of the situation.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
But are you looking at me, Rob?
I mean, I'm trying to.
Can you tell?
But because, okay, I'm, by the way, we talked before the show and she totally cleared this convo.
Because it kind of looks like you're looking at her.
I'm sure.
I'm trying to look at you.
Yeah, now you can see, can't you?
Oh, okay.
Yeah, okay.
It's I feel like that's it's actually a kind of a come up.
It is for sure.
Most people think I'm not looking at them.
I am.
Yeah.
She's looking at her.
I'm looking at her, you, her, the wall, maybe?
I am looking at the wall for sure.
Oh, yeah.
Everything.
It's a full 280 almost.
Yeah.
And you're a comedian also.
Unintentional, yeah.
Unintentional comedian.
Yeah.
Damn.
Russian Complications 00:05:09
I don't know.
You got to do something, your brother.
Like an eye for an eye.
Literally.
Like, you got to take one of his balls or something.
Just kidding.
Not just kidding.
Okay.
Relationship status.
I've been single for two, three-ish years.
Okay.
Longest relationship?
Three and a half.
Maybe four.
It was a while ago.
Three and a half.
Okay.
All right.
And is that the one that ended two to three years ago?
Yeah.
When did you start OnlyFans?
A couple years ago.
Was it before the breakup or after?
It was after the breakup, but the reason that we ended things was because he found out I was a stripper.
You're a stripper?
Okay.
Before OnlyFans, yes.
You didn't know that, like, Dary?
Well, it was really toxic.
We would like break up, get back together, break up, get back together.
He was slightly abusive as well.
He actually called the cops on me one time and then like, got really close with my grandma and my mom went through my grandma's phone and found out.
She was like texting him under like a broken heart emoji.
It was really messy, it was weird.
It was really weird.
Um wait, did you say your ex liked your grandma?
I what?
Or your grandma liked her ex?
I think it was a little bit of both.
Both ways.
He had mommy issues and my grandma has issues as well.
And did you have issues?
Probably okay, and my parents didn't want us together anymore because he was abusive and I like told him about it, but my grandma would let us hang out together at her house.
So i'd like go to her house to like hang out with my boyfriend on the couch, and then I broke up with him because things were bad.
I guess grandma and him kept hanging out though.
Um yeah, so when, on one of the weeks that we weren't together, I decided to go to the club and audition and I got accepted.
And then the next week, when we were back together uh, he told me that his dog needed surgery.
So I offered, Offered to pay for the surgery because I loved his dog.
And he was like, How do you have so much money?
And I told him I started stripping, and then he wanted nothing to do with me after that.
And he would like chase after me.
I'd be like, I'm done with you, like you're toxic, leave me alone.
And he'd like, come for me.
Like, get me back, like, determined to get me back.
And as soon as he found out I started stripping, he wanted nothing to do with me.
And it was definitely a blessing.
Okay, got it.
What about you?
I have been in a relationship for two years now.
Yeah.
Two years?
Okay.
Well, it's going to be two years on the 11th.
Yeah.
And is this your longest relationship?
My first and longest, yes.
First and longest.
So like high school.
You guys met in high school?
So we were actually best friends for, I would say, three years almost.
Like best, best friends.
We actually met in March or February of 2022, if I'm not mistaken.
So actually a little less than that.
But yeah.
Okay.
Best friends, and we both really liked each other, but we didn't think that the other reciprocated the same feelings.
And then one day we just confessed it at the same time, and he asked me to be his girlfriend 10 days later, and we've been together ever since.
Okay, got it.
And what's your tattoo say here?
It's my grandparents' names in Russian.
Okay, so are you Russian?
Yes, I'm Russian and Ukrainian.
Okay.
Do you speak Russian?
It was my first language.
Oh, were you born?
No, but I didn't speak English until I was about almost seven years old due to me going to Russian daycares, preschools, and kindergarten when I was younger.
And remind me, you're from California or where you're from?
Los Angeles.
Okay, got it.
Interesting.
All right.
Do you have Russian citizenship or Ukrainian citizenship?
I do not.
I've never been.
But are your parents there?
Did they first generation immigrants?
Yeah, they left at the split of the Soviet Union.
1989?
I believe so, if I'm not mistaken.
But my dad left, my mom left around the same time from Kiev, Ukraine.
And then they met in the middle of the day.
They have been together for 20 years.
Okay.
More?
25?
Gotcha.
And this boyfriend of yours who said only boyfriend, first boyfriend?
I have had little situations in the past, but nothing I would really consider a boyfriend, maybe on the other person's end, but definitely not mine.
Six Years Embarrassed 00:04:34
Gotcha.
100%.
What about you?
I've been single for like six years.
Six years?
Yep.
I haven't dated since I tried to date in college, but it was not successful.
Interesting.
single for six years uh have you ever well uh you've had a boyfriend though I had one.
For how long?
I think two years, maybe.
It was my sophomore year of high school.
Two years.
Okay.
Who broke up with who?
I broke up with him.
Any reason?
Was it the end of high school?
I was kind of controlling.
Controlling.
It was the end of him.
He was graduating, but he was really controlling and would say he's embarrassed by me, like in public.
He was embarrassed by you?
Yeah, I'd act like silly or goofy or do something cringy and he'd say I was embarrassing.
Just wasn't good.
Okay.
Single for six years.
So in that six, and you said you tried to date in college.
Yeah, so I.
But unsuccessfully.
Yeah.
So like would you hook up with guys, but it wouldn't go further, kind of?
Yeah, I went to a Catholic school for high school or for college.
And I went a little crazy and Catholic school.
Yeah, and no one liked it.
Can you say the school?
No, I'm scared too.
That's fine.
Yeah.
You went a little crazy.
What does that mean?
I hooked up with a lot of guys and I probably should have spread.
No, I should have spread it out.
I was on the track team and I did too much track, guys.
You did too much track.
It was a mistake.
Too much track, guys.
What about well, track and field encompasses a lot of different events, you know?
Javelin?
Yeah, fuck it.
That was good.
What about the disc toss or whatever?
He did that too, yeah.
What's the rock throw?
What is that?
Shot put.
Shot put?
The shot put?
Yep.
Sprinters or any sprinters?
More distance.
I was a distance.
You were distance.
For the distance, they last longer.
And any other athletics?
I liked rugby a lot.
The rugby guys, okay.
Yeah.
Did you do the whole basketball team?
Basketball.
We had a really good basketball program.
They weren't, we didn't really go out that much.
Okay.
So you just fucking ran through these track dudes.
What about and the rugby team?
The forwards or the backs?
I don't honestly know anything about rugby.
Yeah, yeah.
It was rugby union.
What's that mean?
Well, there's rugby.
I mean, I'm assuming it was rugby union, if it was played in the U.S.
But there's rugby union, rugby league, rugby sevens.
I don't know.
It was a college team.
We were division one.
Okay.
Wow.
Good times.
A lot of partying too.
Was there alcohol or drugs involved?
Alcohol, yeah.
Just alcohol.
Yep.
Okay.
Meth?
Damn it.
Heroin?
No, no, no.
God damn it.
Cocaine?
Okay, a little bit of cocaine.
Here, I'm going to, I have more questions, but we have a TTS coming in.
Vector donated 100.
TTS is 100, by the way, guys.
Therefore, we'll share her intimate parts to random degenerate men for money.
But her age is a no-no.
Age is not as private as your private parts.
At least it seems that way to me.
It's kind of like, you know, party foul.
Spilling my drink over here.
It's kind of, you know, you said you stripped, right?
You're a stripper.
It's like they don't share their real name, you know, but they'll show you their hoo-ha.
Yeah, it's just like the opposite for me.
Most people, their age is more public and not their body parts.
But because my body parts are not private, I keep what I can.
And, okay.
Thank you, Vector, for the TTS.
Reminder, guys, TTS is $100 today.
$100.
TTS, it is lower than usual.
One of my fans gave you something.
Oh, yeah, we'll get that pulled up.
He sent a super chat, so we'll pull that up in a moment.
Okay, so you went wild in college.
What about after college?
Still wild?
So I started OnlyFans my senior year, so unfortunately.
Of high school?
Of college.
Oh, of college, okay.
I mean, some people, hey, people do that.
Someone hacked my Snapchat and leaked me all over these forums and these revenge porn pages.
And I was really broke in college working minimum wage on the weekend while also doing sports.
And I was like, you know what?
I'm going to try OnlyFans, see if I make a little bit of alcohol money.
And the rest has been history.
Six Years Single 00:02:52
Okay.
And so you've been doing OF for how long?
Again?
Like two years?
Two years.
And wait, you graduated college?
What did you get your degree in?
Human services, which is ironic.
It's one way to service humanity, I guess.
Okay.
Started OF.
Wait, are you actually 22?
I'm 23.
Okay, you got me.
I'm actually 23.
I just don't know.
People are crazy.
I feel like this might be like this bad.
My socials been hacked.
Like, like a Ployd Act, 18 all the time.
It's fine.
That's fine.
Okay, so single for six years, but you know.
What's the longest period of time in the past six years that you've seen a guy, even if it's casual, off and on, longest period of time?
Like in the past year?
Six years.
Oh, six years.
Because you said you've been single, right?
For six years?
Yeah.
It would be a couple months.
I'm not sure exactly how long.
Maybe like five months.
Five months.
But never like a year or anything.
Have you called any of these guys who you've seen in the past six years your boyfriend?
No.
Have they called you girlfriend?
Nope.
Have you said I love you?
Mm-mm.
Ever.
Well, I have a lot of people.
To the two-year guy, okay.
But not in the past six years.
Yeah, no.
Okay, I see.
What kind of content do you do on OF?
Is it boy girl?
Yeah, I do everything.
You do BG content?
Okay.
All right.
Interesting.
What about you?
I'm married.
Married?
Okay.
Longest relationship?
A little over six years.
Is that your current relationship?
Yes.
Okay.
Married for how long?
Seven months now, I think.
So together six years, married seven months.
Okay.
Do you have kids?
No.
No kids.
All right.
And any boyfriends prior to your husband?
Yes.
I kind of, yeah.
Kind of, okay.
All right.
What about you?
Yeah, I am in a relationship with planning engagement for within the year.
So you guys are engaged?
No, we've discussed marriage and we're planning on getting engaged within the year and married within the next two.
How long together?
Surprisingly, only four months, but it was like a love at first sight kind of crazy deal.
Interesting.
Buy Something, Get Shouted Out 00:04:01
Okay.
Longest relationship?
Three years.
Three years.
When did that end?
That ended back in 2021.
2021.
Okay.
Four months together.
Already planning the.
Do you have any kids with anybody?
Nope.
And then do you have any kids?
I don't have any kids.
No kids.
Okay.
All right.
That's everybody's relationship status.
We have a super chat here.
You get to read it.
Guys.
To make up for the money Kitty shorted you on.
Also, Kitty let herself get walked like a dog by a 5'3 Mexican guy.
5'3.
5'3, yeah.
Oh, man.
Interesting.
Explain yourself.
Yeah, he had to cover me.
Sorry.
But the money's in the money's there.
But no, because my knees hurt if I'm on my knees.
So I wouldn't get walked.
It actually hurts.
I'm sorry.
It wouldn't.
Daniel, thank you for the super chat.
Appreciate it.
We have a message here from.
EQ Marda donated $100.
Thank you, man.
Alex stands out like a sore thumb on the panel, but I've never wanted to be a band-aid so bad.
I need a selfie while you're still in LA, bro.
Who's Alex?
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I want a selfie.
You can come get a selfie.
Okay.
Do you know this person?
Thank you for the TTS, man.
Really appreciate it.
Okay.
Thank you for that underline.
Very nice.
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Public Service Announcement 00:04:17
I'm the founder of the nonprofit movement and grassroots movement, Big Labia Matter, or BLM for short.
Because all labia can't matter until Big Labia matter.
As someone who only dates women with large labia, this is a important issue for me.
Like, sometimes I cry at night thinking about it.
These women, they're chopping off their labia.
10,000 a year in the United States alone.
You know, there's a lot of stuff going on.
A lot of instability.
Iran, Middle East, Ukraine, ICE, riots, fucking dis all kinds of crazy shit.
But this is really the pressing issue of our time.
All that other shit is noise.
All that other shit is to distract you from this problem.
But, you know, it just grinds my gears, you know.
Yeah.
If you go like down on a girl and you see that she has like a small labia, you're like, no, absolutely not.
Oh, boy.
Well, save that for later.
Save that question for later.
I'll answer it, though.
But look, it's not a deal breaker, but yeah, I almost exclusively only date women with large labia.
So does it, but I don't know.
I feel like some women get shamed.
They get shamed.
Matt Rye.
Oh, show the tweets.
Show the tweets.
I fucking ratioed Kanye West on this.
He said labia plasty should be government issued, and I had to ratio Kanye.
Rare L from Kanye.
What's that?
Oh, and then Matt Reif, apparently, he's a hater.
There's all these haters, right?
I don't know.
Any women here ever been shamed for having a large labia?
No?
No?
Okay.
All right.
Sometimes women labia fish me.
That pisses me off.
If I say yes, are you going to be into me?
Well, have you experienced labia shame?
No, but when I was growing up, like it was like a big thing.
I remember in like middle school, everyone.
In middle school?
It was like a thing.
Everyone.
Middle school.
Yeah, it was like a thing.
Like how so they were like saying not like me, obviously, but like it was just like, oh, I bet she's got a fucking mousse knuckle on her or she's got a sandwich roast beef pussy down there.
And you'd be like, oh shit.
In middle school?
In middle school.
How do you define yourself like that?
Hey, we're from Oklahoma.
What more could you say?
Well, I mean, obviously, my coochie wasn't, you know, on display, of course, in middle school, but that would be insane.
But it was just like people would talk about it quite often for some reason.
Interesting.
I feel like in middle schools, when everyone just learns that other people have different body parts and they're so excited, but they don't have anything valuable to say about it.
So they just start guessing.
So then I'd be like, oh my God, does that mean I have a roast beef pussy?
Am I going to get one?
And I got nervous, you know?
Yeah.
You're sitting there with the lights.
I don't like these words.
I don't like the roast beef term.
I don't like the term, you know?
It was just a term.
Like, it was a shameful thing to china.
Yeah, wizard sleeve.
Wizard sleeve, roasty.
I don't like that shit.
Can we just bring that foreskin then?
The what?
Foreskin.
Can we bring it back?
Bring it back?
I'm free.
Yes.
Yeah.
We shouldn't be doing circumcisions.
Is the labia the foreskin of the woman?
That's one way to put it.
Kind of, not really.
But it's the lips, the lips, you know?
Lips, foreskin.
I think we should, you know.
Everyone should have some skin down there.
What's that?
Everyone should have their skin.
I agree.
I agree.
I don't know how we got there, but there's a fucking mosquito or something harassing us.
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We'll see.
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Links in the description.
We have a Discord, discord.gg slash whatever.
Post our stream, excuse me, stream schedule, behind the scenes, hate mail.
Bro, this fucking thing.
It's not a mask.
It's not a mosquito.
It's like one of those.
It's a crane fly.
It's a Mayfly, yeah.
I need a fucking.
Alpha Male Dynamics 00:15:29
Hold on, let me see if I can.
It's just a paper.
I'm pretty good at killing bugs.
You want me to try?
Yeah, can you give it a crack?
Give it a crack.
Give it a crack.
Discord.gg slash whatever.
Just watch out for the cameras and shit.
Oh, there it is.
All right, chase that shit down.
All right, she's our fucking mission.
She's, yep.
Fucking shit.
Fuck that shit up.
Oh, shh.
Wait, did you get it?
She clapped it in her hand.
She clapped it in her hand.
Let's fucking go, boys.
Well, first of all, hey, add that to the cookies.
Add that to the cookies.
We will go mash you.
What?
She just fucked that bug up.
Okay, cool.
So, continuing on, I'm hiring for three positions.
New helmet girl sidekick, new soldier sidekick, and then we need a second assistant producer, production assistant, however you want to.
Assistant to the producer?
Productionist?
I don't know.
You need to be able, you need to already be living in Santa Barbara if you want to do it though.
Okay.
I think that's it, right?
Is that it?
That's it.
Okay, we have a TTS coming through.
Thank you for doing that, by the way.
I appreciate it.
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Consent governs private BDSM and discretion governs public space.
When both are respected, there's no legal or ethical conflict, just adults exercising autonomy responsibly.
With that said, I'm down.
We got some freaks in this chat.
Oh, yeah.
There's no ethical conflict.
You better just ask kitty.
Well, so there's not a legal.
I agree with you that legally, yeah, you can walk someone on the leash in public.
That's not, it's not illegal.
It's not a crime.
But there is an ethical, I do actually think that there is an ethical component to it.
I mean, the BDSM community itself would typically, I think, typically is not in favor of public displays of that sort.
So, by the way, full moon.
No?
Disagree.
Full moon.
You guys see it right over there.
Full moon.
That's why.
It can be 50-50 for sure.
Like, it depends on who you're asking because, like, I feel like there's definitely two kinds of BDSM community.
Like, there's, you know, the BBC cuckhold community that's BDSM as well.
And they are definitely down to do shit in public.
Well, I mean, obviously, I don't think there's one centralized governing body of what is or isn't acceptable.
No, I get it.
Like, I personally, like, I've been in FinDom in my past.
Like, I used to be a cuck holderist.
That's definitely in the past.
But I don't do it in public.
I genuinely think it's morally wrong, in my opinion, because if you have other people that don't want to see that around you, how do you know if they don't want to see that you don't?
So just keep it in your room, in my opinion.
Exactly.
Or in the dungeon.
Yeah, in the dungeon.
Keep them in the chains, in the dog cage.
All right, guys, we got a full moon.
It's going to be that.
I don't know if that's a good sign or a bad sign for tonight.
What do they say when it's a full moon?
It's the freaks.
Oh.
Come out.
Freaks come out.
Or it has an impact on people.
I don't know.
Werewolves?
We are going.
We have something to react to here.
Actually, you know what?
We'll save some of the reacts for later.
Let's see.
What's the first thing I wanted to get into?
While we do, let's just dive into disagreements.
Some of you have some disagreements with me.
Some of you have seen the show before.
So anybody want to jump in on the disagreement?
Or should I prompt you?
I don't like big labias.
She has that one.
I don't know why she's saying that.
That's not true.
That just means they're probably on testosterone.
I've never seen it.
That could work out a little bit.
Are you bisexual?
No, I'm just saying not.
I'm just saying.
You don't.
You have an aversion to them on principle.
Yeah.
I feel like a lot of people with big labias are probably on testosterone.
Hey.
I'm just saying.
I got some big labias.
I'm not on testosterone.
Allegedly.
You got papers to put it in.
How big are we talking about?
Are we talking about clit enlargement?
Is it like the lips?
The lips.
Yeah, that flaps.
He don't mean you're clit.
He means the lips.
The bits that hang on.
Oh, okay.
I thought we were talking about like testosterone coochie.
I mean, I think it can have an impact on the lips too, but more so the clit.
It grows the clit.
It does.
If the women are like, you know, big labia, you know, you might be messing around with something you might not want to get into.
Big clit?
I'm okay with Big Clit.
It sounds like you're trying to say that you're attracted to men, and that's okay.
Me?
Yes.
Obviously, I'm attracted to men.
I'm just saying.
I'm just trying to prove his point: he might be attracted to men with a big clit because they're all testosterone.
Oh, like you can suck the clit.
Everyone knows that, you know?
And then instead of going like, I knew that was coming.
Yeah, you're like sucking the touch that pop.
That's an interesting theory there.
You know, I'm just trying to gauge red.
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
Why are you getting so red and nervous all of a sudden?
I'm just red in general, I think.
I think I've just got to be a little bit more.
Oh, you just blushed a little bit.
Am I?
He's like, I think I have a pee.
That's what he is.
I'm holding that shit in.
I got a pee in the moment.
Just because we're talking about big Oscars.
I think we're talking about big labias.
He likes the big labias.
I'm just very bashful over here.
Big labias matter.
BLM.
BLM.
Yeah.
It is kind of sad, though.
You know, I'm liking shit.
As long as they're born with it.
They're born with it.
I don't know.
Oh, shit.
As they're born with it.
As long as they're born with it.
You know, I'm not a fake lap drone.
Vagina.
Labias.
You're talking like trans?
Yeah.
She just.
I feel like if you're trans, it's not going to be an Audi.
I wouldn't fucking know.
You know, I wouldn't know either.
But.
I mean, but that's not even fun.
Let's be real.
For real here.
That's not pussy.
Like, whatever that is, is not pussy.
But what if it feels like it?
But it's not a pussy.
It's like an inside-out dick.
Have you seen the surgery?
I've watched the surgery of it.
But that's actually what vagina is.
It is an inside-out penis inside out.
I think they like tuck it in.
Yeah, and they tuck it in.
Yeah, no, but like naturally.
Like naturally, like when you're in the womb.
It's like dick and balls.
It's a dick and ball shoved inside of your fucking shit.
Like, and when you're a baby and you switch, everyone starts out as female or one of the two and it like literally inverts.
Yeah, and then so that it's technically what it is.
It's not tech one.
Like what?
Yeah.
You're saying transgender post-op surgery.
No, no, like when you're like in your mother's stomach as a baby, I believe we all start out as female or male.
I don't know, one of the two, but through the process, it's like, I think everyone starts out as female and then it literally grows out.
And it's like the same vaginal opening is the same as like the penis.
It's just because it's a urethra there.
It's not just because it's a penis or a vagina.
It's very, very two different things.
But the urethra goes out the same way, yes.
So wait, what are you trying to say, though?
Well, because you guys are like, it's the same thing.
And I was like, yeah, in a way, it is.
Actually, I believe you said it's not the same thing.
I said it's not pussy.
Whatever the trans people are doing, that's not pussy.
But if it feels like it, would you?
Like, most likely.
It's like fucking a pocket pussy.
Like, feels like it's not.
It wouldn't feel like it because it just is not similar in any capacity.
But no, even if it felt like pussy, looked like pussy, it ain't pussy.
Tastes like piss, and who knows what else is leaking extremities?
Would you try it, at least?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
No.
No.
Although I wonder in the future, I could see if there's like some crazy transhuman humanism shit.
Like people could genuinely change their entire biology.
Like some futuristic scenario.
Like it's I suppose it'd be possible in the future with like super advanced technology.
Like when they get like a uterus, that's just a damn to give up.
Once Trini started getting uteruses and they started giving birth, I'm giving up.
I'm up.
Just call it.
Throw in the towel.
I don't know if that would be possible.
Well, currently.
Like, even if you were to transplant a uterus into a man, I don't think one day, maybe.
You never know.
You've never done that.
Well, maybe one day there's like advancements or some shit, but I don't want to be here for that.
You're going to have to ask a Jew.
They might know.
Fuck.
Okay, so what the fuck?
Oh, fuck.
They know stuff.
They're scientists, bro.
Here we go.
Good talk.
So, anyways, where were we going?
Disagreements.
You had some disagreements.
Why don't we start there?
You said that you side with sex workers and you don't really like alpha males.
And you said that's a disagreement.
Okay.
So there's two things there.
Why don't we just do the alpha male one thing first?
You don't really like alpha males.
Well, why would that be a disagreement?
I don't know.
I just felt like whenever I watched a podcast like this, I didn't really do my research, but it seems like a lot of guys, like your audience, would side with like alpha males, I think.
What does that mean, though?
What does that mean?
Side with alpha male.
Like, so I don't, first off, I kind of reject the alpha beta.
I mean, it can be useful in some context.
I guess I do.
But I don't refer to myself as an alpha male.
Some people want to do a straw man and like paint you.
Oh, it's an alpha burrow podcast.
But I never really talk about the alpha beta thing.
Oh, then.
I don't call it, I don't, it's super cringe to refer to yourself as I'm an alpha male.
Okay, super cringe.
Guys who do that, super cringe.
Typically, you'll have opposition want to use that as an effective label, so it's easier to try to like slap on an identity, slap on a label, so they can kind of dismiss you.
But yeah, I don't consider myself.
And also, the study that that's drawn from, where they were looking at wolves, alpha wolf, beta wolf.
It's actually like the study or something was pretty much bullshit.
Essentially.
So it's flawed in its inception of the idea of what that is.
So, okay, but you don't like alpha male?
Like, I don't understand the real thing.
Yeah, it's basically what you explained, but you did kind of clear it up for me that you don't like really refer to yourself as alpha male or something.
No, I'm a sigma male.
Fucking sigma mindset.
Whatever the fuck.
Yeah, I only did it based on like the comments and stuff.
So that's what I assumed.
I assumed wrong.
Okay.
So, okay, you don't like alpha male.
Okay.
So, like, who?
Who do you think is an alpha male?
Andrew Tate, Donald Trump?
Yeah, probably.
Probably them.
Or like, they'll like.
Why do you dislike alpha males, I guess?
I don't like when they really show off.
Like, how so?
I don't know.
It's not coming to my mind at the moment.
But they're flexing their cars.
Yeah, it's like flexing their money.
That's materialism.
You're trying to preach something.
But even though it's materialism, they like to say, like, oh, I'm alpha male because I have these cars.
I have this money.
Yeah, it's cringe.
Yeah, that.
Okay, well, no disagreement then, I guess.
You side with sex workers.
What do you mean?
Do you want to elaborate?
I do.
And I think you don't really side with OnlyFans and sex workers.
I'm assuming all of this.
Yeah, I have some issues with it.
I don't hate people who do OnlyFans, but yeah, I have issues.
Okay.
I just side with them, and that's it.
I don't like when people really talk a lot of smack about them.
Okay.
But I do understand a lot of issues that people have with it.
Really?
What are they?
I can't explain what it feels, but I'm sure like maybe the two of you at Day of You could probably say a point, and I can it's not really coming time.
Yeah, let's start with the first one.
So just show of hands, just to re-establish for the audience.
Show of hands, who here has OnlyFans?
We got five.
That's actually normally we actually only have one, two, or three, but kind of disproportionate panel tonight, which is fine.
But, okay, so five of you have OF.
And then who here has done other forms of sex work?
Stripping, sugar daddy, straight porn star.
Porn star.
There you go.
You've done, what is it called?
Professional professional work, yes.
This is professional work.
I've worked with production companies, yeah.
We have a tweet on this.
I think it's wait, hold on, let me look at my notes really quick.
This is actually kind of funny.
You have a tweet.
You sent a tweet to Blacked.
We can't show it, but you recall what it said.
Yeah.
I'm going to be so honest.
I don't remember what it said, but it was probably when my ex ran my account and he was reaching out to a lot of people.
Maybe I can prompt you.
I don't even want to repeat most of it.
Oh, shit.
You want to get you finished.
You state the whole thing.
Go ahead.
I can't say that shit.
Is it the gangbang one?
Sort of.
I basically wanted a train to get ran on me by a bunch of BBC men.
Okay, I'll just say you said that you wanted to get you wanted to get filled up by every black man on the blacked roster at the same time.
Yeah.
That would be like the best.
That's definitely mainstream.
So my birthday is coming up in March.
I actually am planning like a 25 to 30 man gangbang for that.
That is 20 to 30 for your birthday.
25 to 30, yes, sir.
You're just nodding your head.
That sounds like a great birthday.
It's a typical birthday party for a woman nowadays.
Yeah.
100%.
Okay, so I have somebody setting it up for me.
Was that a sigh of like, oh my goodness, or was it like a dang?
I think there's no sad man.
So, okay, but we have five girls here who do OnlyFans.
OnlyFans And Beyond 00:06:16
Now, I imagine even if I asked the phone question, you guys aren't going to even give me an honest answer.
Who here has a management company?
Me.
Me.
I just joined one.
Okay, what about you?
No, they take too much.
They take too much?
All right.
Now, part of the way women make money on OnlyFans is through messaging.
The guys message you and you make money through the messaging back and forth or whatever.
Is it you guys?
I do it.
I'm proud.
I promise.
You, Brooklyn.
How many subs do you have, Brooklyn?
Currently at 6.2.
Thousand?
Yeah.
And you're messaging?
I only get to a message probably twice a day, if that.
Okay.
You'd be surprised, though, how many people don't want to talk.
What do you mean, talk?
Like, a lot of people message you.
Yeah.
Like, people get shy.
Whereas some people are just not comfortable and it feels too personal to them.
I found out.
Well, I'll say this.
So the reason I asked this question, and even if you did have a management company or you had a typer or a chatter, maybe you would, well, at least the typer chatter, I don't think you guys would admit to it.
Even if you did have one, some of you might admit to having a management company.
So I think, for example, defense of nude content.
I think that there can, I can make arguments against it, but I think there's also can be strong arguments in favor of producing pornographic content.
I'm going to actually go ahead and push that completely to the side because I feel like it's, I can make arguments against it, but it can be defensible in some ways.
I think, I mean, if it got banned like tomorrow, I probably wouldn't give a shit.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like if I was like, well, I don't have to do that.
Yeah, exactly.
Now, however, the reason I asked about your typers and chatters, now we're talking about something that I don't think anyone can really defend, which would be what I would categorize, and you might disagree, as fraud.
Now, so what a lot of these OnlyFans girls are doing, and I'm not saying that you guys do it.
I don't know if you do it or not.
When you're advertising on your OnlyFans, saying, chat with me, I'm the only, I'm the one running the account.
You're talking to me.
Some of you offer the girlfriend experience, where when you're offering the girlfriend experience, you're perhaps offering the hope of something more developing, and then you are siphoning money from these men.
And I think there's also a component, there's two components here.
There's a component of the girlfriend experience, but under no circumstance, let's be honest, would you ever fuck or date the men who you're offering the girlfriend experience to.
It's completely performative, but you're doing it because once these men build a degree of connection with you, even if it's parasocial, you can siphon a lot of money once they have become romantically invested in you, even if you have zero romantic interest in them.
So that's a degree of fraud and deception, which I find objectionable.
And then the other thing is just if you have a management company, you have some fucking person.
I guess now it's probably AI, maybe, I don't know.
But before like AI kind of came about, these women would just have some dude in fucking Singapore, maybe not Singapore, fucking Vietnam, Thailand, typing, chatting for you and pretending to be you.
And if asked, am I talking to you?
They would lie and say yes.
So I think that that's fraudulent.
You know, if you're advertising it as it's me you're talking to, but it's actually some type or chatter or the type or chatter is portraying themselves to be you, absent a disclosure.
I'm actually surprised there hasn't been lawsuits on this.
And maybe there are.
I mean, the women are, they're basically committing fraud and OnlyFans turns a blind eye to it.
So that's that's one of my objections.
Do you have anybody, OnlyFans girls want to?
I actually do check my messages every day.
I talk to like a lot of people on my messages, but I do see where you're coming from from that standpoint.
That's kind of why I didn't want to get a management for the first three years of it.
But my situation is a little different.
It's more like our manager kind of helps us, you know, make our comedy reels and stuff like that.
And then, you know, my OnlyFans, I still go live on my OnlyFans, it's me, usually me chatting.
I am chatting.
Sometimes it's not, though.
I will say that.
Okay.
Yeah.
And look, not all OnlyFans girls do this.
I think probably a lot of them do.
And look, even if asked, I don't think you guys would admit to it because it would be contrary to what you're trying to do, which is maximize profit and make as much money as you can.
If the guy that you're typing with knows that he's typing with some like 5'4 Filipino man or some shit, he's like, that's gonna break the dynamic there.
I'm actually surprised.
I mean, maybe men are just naive.
How could you not know?
Like, if you're some of these, like, top-tier OnlyFans girls, how do you not?
Like, of course, it's not them.
And they're online 24-7.
That's obvious.
Like, how do you not know?
I mean, I think that's less obvious than like the AI models that you see on Instagram.
Yeah, they have that too.
And people can't even tell that it's AI sometimes.
Crazy.
Hey, the AI girls are coming for them.
Oh, they are.
steal videos yeah so i mean uh yeah i mean i would argue probably the the ai people who are well if the ai creators are representing it as a real person which i think they are then i would i would make the same argument that you're uh Does there need to be a disclosure?
I mean, there doesn't need, legally, need to be a disclosure that it's AI.
I think there does.
I think there is too.
STD Testing Debates 00:05:36
Yeah.
On OF or AF doesn't allow because you need a real identity.
You need a face thingy.
Yeah, and even on Instagram, there has to be like a label.
You're like legally required to disclose if something's AI, but a lot of people don't because there's no way to regulate it.
Yeah, how do you check?
And people probably just get away with it.
So that, I mean, that's one of my arguments.
I guess my objections to OnlyFans.
I don't think, I don't hate or I don't hate OnlyFans girls, but I think there are some objections there.
I feel like, sorry, go ahead.
Oh, nothing.
I was just going to say over time, maybe I would find something to disagree with.
To what?
Something to disagree with.
Oh, something else to disagree with.
Like throughout the podcast.
Yeah.
Just to kind of like go off of what you were saying.
I think that's with anything, though.
Like, people will always abuse something, like drinking.
It's healthy, you know, or not healthy, sorry.
It's okay, right?
And small amounts.
But there are some people that abuse alcohol and become alcoholics.
And the same with drugs and many things.
And also including any type of porn.
Okay.
Yeah, I guess.
Sure, yeah, people can abuse it, I guess.
But I think my next argument would be STD risk.
So that would be for the sex worker themselves.
If you're doing mainstream content, pretty high risk of STD.
You have to get tested before.
I have a lot of friends, them, and they get tested almost every like, what is it, two weeks, four weeks?
Yeah, so since I'm a professional model signed with an agency, I actually have to get past certified testing, meaning it is a full panel test.
I pay $250, $300 every two weeks.
But, wait, you wanted to win?
I think it's less risky.
If you have to get testing every time, most guys never get tested.
STDs are more common with the regular population than they are with sex workers.
Well, you said full panel.
Now let's make sure when we use the term full panel, we're being precise in what we're talking about here.
Your supposed full panel STD test, does it test for herpes and HPV?
And Mgen.
Do you know what Mgen is?
It's not my understanding.
Even mainstream porn people, they don't test for herpes.
They don't test for HPV.
Do you want to show me your most recent test?
And I can.
I'm not trying to argue.
I'm just trying to think real quick.
Because genuinely, I can't remember if it says herpes or not.
Because I know it tests for Mgen.
And I know.
When I was pregnant, the full panel they gave me was blood drawn.
For your pregnancy.
But I took blood.
They take my blood too.
But for people in the industry, they don't test herpes.
They don't test HPV.
I actually do want to check that.
Yes, like genuinely.
The reason they don't check for herpes and HPV is because if they were testing mainstream people, or maybe even non-mainstream, whatever, they're going to hit for herpes.
They're all going to hit for herpes.
You're not wrong.
They all have it.
I actually do know a few people in the industry who they keep it like non-disclosed, but like some have a pill you could take.
Yeah, there is a pill you can take as well.
Also, herpes is only spread when there's open source and there's a lot of like you can be pre-symptomatic.
Yeah, you can.
So it can be like just the teeniest, like right before it's about to have a, you have an outbreak, it could, you know, you can.
Like you think it's a pimple and it's not kind of thing.
Well, I mean, it could be even like, I don't know if microscopic would be the right term, but I mean, if you think about something developing, it has to start at a really small.
But it has to have an open sore.
Isn't it like one out of five people?
I mean, I would, would you have sex with, well, I mean, I don't know your herpes status or whatever.
But like, would you have sex with somebody who has a non-open herpes sore?
No.
But that's like.
Like, you're going to take that risk?
Well, I guess I don't mean non-open, but like if you have any.
So is that what you're saying?
Like if you have any presenting?
Well, I mean, there's HSV1, HSV2, and then you would have oral herpes, genital herpes.
So, yeah.
Does anybody here have herpes?
I have a question.
Anybody?
I don't even get laid.
Oh, well.
Outside of work, I don't either.
So I assume it's probably.
Go ahead.
I assume it's probably a lot less likely if you're working with a management company, I think you're calling it.
How common is, like, how do you do they get tested?
No, like, how do you authenticate these tests?
Like, can people that aren't working with these companies, like, produce fraudulent tests?
Yes.
I have, like, I have definitely, not me experience, but I've, you know, being on Twitter, having 100,000 followers, you see other people go through kind of horror stories like that.
I've never gone through something like that, but I have heard of people kind of faking their tests and they basically put it on Chat GPT or whatever and kind of just edit it out.
Isn't there a QR code?
Yes.
Now, that's what I was about to get to.
If you use talent testing services or Clear or there's another one, Pro 13, it's all PAS certified.
So usually what that means is like it is a full panel.
From my understanding, it has tested me for herpes in the past, but I don't want to say it has and maybe wrong.
So I would have to check.
Faking Tests and QR Codes 00:02:51
But yeah.
That's so scary.
Like, I feel like if you have that knowledge going in, but my mind immediately went to an 18-year-old who's not super familiar, who's working on her own, which I've seen it happen.
It's terrifying.
I've seen it happen.
And there's definitely, and it is one of those things, like, even in the past, I've been asked, would you recommend, you know, this industry for anyone?
Fuck no.
I think that HPV is a way bigger deal than HSV.
I heard that talent testing doesn't test for HSV because it is so common.
And I don't know.
I still don't think that's right.
But HPV is like, like, can kill you.
I think that like ruins like your life.
Yes.
I'm pretty sure it's miracle cancer.
Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Yeah.
Literally everything, I would assume.
But I also go to the gynecologist once a month to stay safe.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's good.
I mean, you kind of have to, I feel like when you are in the industry and you know what you're putting yourself into, you kind of have to like be safe or be gross, you know?
If you guys had A job presented to you that was not in the porn industry or OnlyFans or anything like that, and you were just given a job.
Equal pay, everything, would you still want to be in porn?
Or would you feel like you have to do it?
Or both?
Or would you just take the job that isn't porn and do a regular job?
I love my job.
Oh, no, I would definitely.
I mean, you would.
Oh, well, if I could do just stand-up all the time, I would.
That'd be sick.
But at the same time, I got bills to pay.
I want to buy a house.
So I'm like, yeah, it's a little fucked up.
Let me just say it.
I'm very selfish.
I'm going to put that on the platform.
I'm a selfish human being.
I like the money.
Now, will I get out of it eventually?
Yeah, of course.
But I want to at least get enough money raked up to pay for my son's college because I didn't have the opportunity to have my college paid for.
And that's the one thing that I'm after: to rake up enough money to have my son's college and private school paid for.
And after that, you know, hopefully I can just do stand-up full-time or have a different job.
I don't really, I'm not really necessarily in the porn community, and I wouldn't categorize myself.
I mean, obviously, I have an OnlyFans, but I don't do collabs.
It's just me, myself, and I, and I don't really promote it.
Everything that's promoted is a link in a bio, and there you go.
So at the same time, it's like, oh, yeah, sure, here's, you know, because it's, you know, there's hardly any work to do.
I like the freedom that comes with it.
But what if you still had the freedom from just a regular job?
Like, if I said, here you go, here's a job, equal pay, and you get all the freedom.
Like working from home.
Honestly, genuinely, like, I have had that before, but it wasn't like if I weren't equal.
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So I don't know.
If I actually got presented a job that I wanted, yeah, because this wasn't my first choice.
It's like an art phone.
Sorry, go.
It's like an art form.
I'm really creative and I express that in my videos.
And I like, because a lot of people think that OnlyFans is just like the porn aspect when it's not.
Like it's content creation and social media.
I'd say like 75%.
And I really enjoy that.
And it pays really well.
And I also enjoy making the films.
Like I was going to school for production.
I made like a legit porn production film.
I can't release it, but it was gorgeous.
Can't release it.
Why is that?
Oh, God.
What did you do?
I started a business with someone, a friend.
Friend.
And it failed.
Boyfriend?
No, it was a friend.
And it was just a little unfair the way I was treated.
We're a lot unfair.
I did all the work.
And I said I wanted to step away from the company.
And it ended very, very badly with they wanted to take the film basically and leave me with what was left in our bank account, like our shared bank account, and kind of screw me over.
They hired a lawyer, tried to fight me with it, and I set up for myself.
Kiwi 8 donated 100 jobs.
Brian, I have the biggest crush on you.
Where is your girlfriend application?
The fuck?
I should have read this before I let it come clear, bro.
One inch, 121 pounds, body count three, no SW.
Peace, I hope this makes you smile.
Do you have a big laby?
Yeah, she forgot the.
She omitted the most important thing.
I should.
You're going to have to send another one, Kiwi.
Brooklyn, you were saying something, right, Brooklyn?
Where's your girlfriend application?
I should, you know, what would be really interesting?
By the way, Kiwi, thank you very much for your TTS.
I really appreciate it.
I actually do have a girlfriend application that's like really autistic.
And I should fucking, it can't be tonight because I'd have to review it, but I should actually show it.
If we all filled one out, I was going to say.
Can we all fill one our girl?
I want to fill it out now.
Just to see what you're saying.
I don't have.
Sure, I'll send you.
I'll send all of you the girlfriend application.
See which one is the cringiest.
But do we need to have a big labia?
What the heck?
Well, hold on.
Wait, hold on.
Hold on here.
Only the OnlyFans girls are single at the table.
So it's like, that's crazy.
I don't think we fit the criteria.
I'll quit.
Always shut your shot.
I'll quit tonight.
Alex is going to quit my eyes.
For the memes, I'll send all of you the girlfriend application and see where you guys.
Okay, if you like.
Stack up.
Imagine you were on a date with us.
How would it go?
Us?
Sorry.
Sorry.
One, one of the things that I'm going to do.
Everyone, all of you.
Yeah, everyone.
All of us.
Go around the table.
Like, how would it be dating her?
How would it be dating me?
How would it be dating her?
What do you mean?
I'd be pregnant every year.
You met us like an hour ago.
I don't know if you can make that assessment.
How would it be?
What do you mean?
I don't understand the question.
Like, based off of first impression personality.
Like, what would you rate that date if you could off of a hypothetical imaginary date?
Yeah, that's what she's trying to do.
How would I rate the date that hasn't happened yet?
Yeah, she's trying to ask.
Yeah.
I feel like, okay, if I was on a date with you the entire time, you'd be like, can I put you on a leash?
And I'd be like, we're in a restaurant.
What are you doing?
Yeah, it'd be a bit probably a bit strange.
Yeah.
What was the question?
I don't know.
But you said date with all of you.
No, like individual.
I meant like.
That would actually.
Do you think that would fly if like say either gender?
But let's say it wouldn't fly.
But fuck it.
I'll ask the question.
You set up a date.
Maybe you should tell them ahead of time.
And it's a multi-person date.
But like, it's not a group date.
It's not like five guys and five girls.
It's like one girl, five guys, one guy, five girls.
This video is like a poly type thing.
A what?
A poly?
No, just like sister-wise.
I'm a busy guy.
I don't have time to take all five of you on individual dates.
Let's just all go on like a fucking love island.
That'd be a train wreck.
Can you do a video like that?
I should actually do a dating show.
A dating show, yes.
Where I have the girls, and it's actually, I'm trying to date them or something.
Yeah, be dating for one person.
Well, or even just be a one-on-one, like a one-on-one, but I stream it.
I'm surprised you still have hope to even do that.
Oh, I'm pretty blackpilled, but to even do what?
To date women?
Yeah.
As opposed to dating women.
Even be willing to the time, the time of day.
Wait, what do you mean?
Just you've had so many women come through here on your show.
Yeah, and I'm just surprised that you're still willing to want to put yourself out there to give them a very organized man.
You can organize.
You mean after everything I've heard?
Yes.
All the crazy shit I've heard.
Yes.
Fair it up.
Well, look, I mean, there's good women out there.
Hey, her man literally traumatized me for, like, I'm traumatized by your man.
And if you can, like, forgive him and find someone else, I'm pretty sure Brian can too.
Yeah.
Has like the podcast affected your dating life at all?
Sure.
Yeah.
Do you want to elaborate on it?
Well, I guess what are you kind of getting at?
Like, I don't know.
I'm just wondering because like, I mean, like, my job affects my dating life, obviously.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Yeah.
Well, I could answer it in a couple ways.
So, I mean, in terms of dating prospects, the way I date has changed a little bit.
So, I mean, I'll still shoot my shot, but, and I have, I started the podcast four years ago, but most of the women I've dated, they contact me.
So, I, my dating situation is completely divorced from the reality of how most men experience dating.
I'm basically just sourcing entirely from women who contact me, which is basically what all women do, essentially.
Even if you're, you could have a following of nothing or you could be really super famous, whatever.
Way better, by the way, way fucking better.
But so that's one way it's changed.
The other way is you compare it a bit to OnlyFans.
So I'm not ignorant or oblivious to this.
So when you have a controversial show like this and you say retarded shit like I say, yeah, it definitely closes the door for some women.
So in the same way that when a criticism of OnlyFans girls is when you do this, when you're involved in sex work, that will close the door to you to some men.
Like some men, it's just 100% going to be a deal breaker.
Even if you quit it, they're going to be like not okay with it.
I'm not saying that you won't be able to find a boyfriend.
Most of the OnlyFans girls, well, not, I shouldn't say most, but a lot of, Mary, close the door, please.
A lot of OnlyFans girls who come on the show, they'll say they're single.
I'm not, sometimes after the show, I'll ask questions like off the record.
What's, come on.
And I would, I, I always keep it off the record, so I wouldn't actually say who, but a lot of times they'll be like, oh yeah, I've been, I'm like engaged.
But they come on and unfortunately lie and say, oh, I've been single for blah, blah, blah.
So I don't think OF girls are prevented from finding a boyfriend, but it does close the door for you.
So comparing it to my situation, sometimes we dive into political stuff on the show.
Obviously, I have opinions that are probably not appreciated by a lot of normies.
I have high expectations.
Well, I don't know if I have high expectations, but I have unorthodox.
What are they?
Expectations of women.
What's the right unique?
I don't know what's the right word.
Something along with that.
Eccentric.
He does like to get bowed at.
The how to add, that's not, I wouldn't frame it exactly like that, but that is, yeah, that is something.
He likes a submissive woman.
Oh, you like the praise, Kink.
Got it.
What do you mean?
The praise kings.
You like to get praised as a man.
Well, I mean, if we're talking about the five love languages, acts of service.
Yeah, exactly.
Words of affirmation, sure.
Physical touch, and then gift giving.
Quality time.
Oh, that's my favorite.
Wait, what is quality time?
I'm not totally sure.
Staying beside each other, even if you're not doing anything.
I completely disagree.
Is that quality time?
Wait, I feel like it's like...
What is quality time to you?
Quality time is like doing an activity.
Like, let's go ice skating, let's go rock climbing, let's go kayaking, let's do something, make memories.
But you don't like that.
I don't even consider watching a movie like quality time because you're just watching something.
You're not even talking to each other.
True.
You're just kind of watching the same thing together.
No, I think that's quality time.
I like it.
Watching a movie, watching a TV show.
I like it, but there's a lack of connection, and I really value connection with the people I date.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
And I also agree in some way, shape, and form because kind of just laying around together doing nothing doesn't really progress or build a relationship.
I think it does.
That's my go-to.
I mean, not all of us.
You want to go on a date?
I mean, if you can avoid it, I mean, why not?
You want to spend time with her?
No, spend time with her.
But, you know, look, the great Patrice O'Neill, rest in peace, he was a famous comedian, passed away young.
He said something along the lines of, and I'm about to fucking butcher it.
So let me Google what he actually said before I fuck it up more than I already have.
Patrice O'Neill went in around.
Wait.
What is it?
Quote.
Hold on.
While he's looking it up, I like playing like video games with another, with another guy.
Even if it's different.
Somebody in the chat send it.
I love playing Clash Royale.
Yeah, that too.
Or like, even if it's like separate, like, you don't like separate, but if I'm cooking or like someone, like, he's on the couch, I feel like that's still a little bit of quality time.
I disagree.
I feel like you shouldn't have to be speaking if you have a real connection.
Like, I feel like it should just be silence.
Yeah.
You don't necessarily have to, but it's definitely more engaging in a relationship.
Yeah, you don't have to.
Like, there doesn't need to always be talk, but I wouldn't consider that quality time.
Okay.
I'm still looking for it.
I think it's different for different people.
Like, I am way more of an introvert, as is my boyfriend.
And we both have like a million hobbies, a million things we like to do.
And we can be doing different tasks or different activities, but in the same room.
And I think the difference is whether or not you are, you know, taking breaks to engage with the other person.
So I'll go to his shop.
He'll be fixing up his truck.
I'll be sitting and crocheting like a little basket for it.
And I'm just adoring him, watching him fix up a truck.
He's adoring me, just kind of sitting and crocheting.
That's hot.
Yeah, then we can like chat about it.
And so I don't think you always have to be talking.
And I don't think you always have to be experiencing the same activity as long as there's a difference in your perception of, you know, that when you're together and doing that activity when you're alone.
And even the topics of conversation that are shared can also in some way be a shared experience when talking about new things or getting to know each other in some way, shape, or form.
So I'm kind of on both sides of it.
Yeah, like if you watch a movie together, you know, it might not be considered quality time, but if you sit after and like talk about the movie and like treat it as like a true piece of like media consumption versus just kind of zoning out, then that's when it becomes quality is the intentionality behind it.
I agree.
I found the quote: men want to be alone, but we don't want to be by ourselves.
So it's kind of nice, like, you know, if the girl's like around the corner, like she's there, but like in the kitchen or something.
So you don't like clinging girls.
Or in the laundry room?
Huh?
You don't like clingy girls?
Clingy?
Clingy, like attached.
Clingy.
Physically, like attached and stuff.
What do you mean?
Like clingy girls.
Like, yeah, like she always wants to hang out with you, always wants to sit next to you.
Always missing you.
Yeah.
To be around you.
That you have to be engaged every moment that you're together.
And when you're not together, she wants you to be engaged.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's good for a woman to be obsessed with you, but that needs to be like an internal thing that she copes with.
Like, I don't, like, I don't know.
I don't want it to be encroaching on my autonomy and my too much of my time.
Yeah, like she gets jealous.
Sorry, go ahead.
Like she gets jealous easily, but like won't let you know when she's jealous because she knows that maybe she shouldn't be jealous at times.
Or just not be jealous to begin with.
It's a little harder set than you.
Yeah, that's gotta be like if you cheated on me in my dream, I'd be mad.
Oh, but that's kind of weird, but I've heard girls say that, though.
They get all upset at you because you cheated in a dream.
It's like, shit, I can't.
What was I supposed to do?
It feels really real.
It does.
You guys can be mean in dreams.
And that's what you guys have to apologize for.
It's still hard on the bottom.
We have to apologize for the dream cheating.
Can we own it over?
Yeah.
Brian, you cheated on me in my dream.
I'm really upset about it.
Put him in.
Put him on a leash.
Yeah.
He's a role player.
Five minutes documents.
Like, do you need to apologize?
But yeah, quality time?
Yeah, I don't know about quality time, to be honest.
I don't know what that means, though.
What does that mean?
Hanging out.
I think quality time is just time together that to me it's quality if there's no bad vibes.
So it doesn't matter if you're like caught up in whatever you're doing as long as like the energy isn't bad.
I think that's quality time.
Yeah, phone down.
Phone down, just hanging out.
We're having some quality time right now.
Yeah, we're having some quality time right now.
Oh, yeah.
I think a more general explanation of it, in my personal opinion, is just enjoying each other's presence.
You know?
Okay.
Yeah, I guess you want to enjoy it if the vibes were bad.
Yeah.
But yeah, the other four love languages, physical touch, words of affirmation, gift giving, acts of service.
Yes, to all those.
Quality time, eh, whatever.
Eh.
What does, you know.
You don't have a top pick?
Acts of service.
I knew it.
Acts of service.
I feel like that's.
She's doing shit for me.
That's a common one for men.
Yeah.
If she can, if she can make a quilt or something.
Don't men like being like acts of service for women too?
They like feeling like useful and powerful.
I like to be as useless as possible for a woman.
That's crazy.
Just at the beginning, just to see, just to get a little temperature check, you know?
Make sure she.
Roster of Sexual Partners 00:14:52
No, I'm just kidding, sort of, but you'd have to ask my ex-girlfriend about that.
Do you like quilting?
I quilt.
I don't at all, but when you're missing out, then I can just buy one on Amazon of Superior.
No, they're made with love.
Would you accept one from her?
You should have honestly brought one with you.
I'm kind of upset that you didn't.
I'm sorry.
I'll give you my scarf.
Only, by the way, shout out to you.
She made cookies.
She did make cookies.
Scarlet cookies.
I've already had two and they're very good.
You already ate one.
Is that what you sink off to do?
Yes.
I also use the bathroom too.
The trick is to swap one quarter of your flour with oats and then extra brown sugar, less regular sugar, and extra vanilla.
I should be demanding all the women to come on the show to bring me some sort of food item.
Some gift, like a king, like we bring you.
Yes, like exactly sourdough bread.
I don't know.
The women, very rarely the women will bring a gift and it's very upsetting to me.
I gave you $3.
I was pissed off at all of you bringing a gift.
It was upsetting.
wait what were we talking about how did we get to the acts of your standards Like, what else are your standards?
Oh, no, no.
You're asking me, okay, Brian, with the podcast, has it impacted dating?
Yeah, definitely.
Some women, no-go.
Because I lean more conservative.
I wouldn't consider myself a radical, unlike Chair One over here.
But wouldn't that be more beneficial for you because you would like your partner to have the same views as you for them to?
Yeah, no, that's a good point.
That is a fair question.
I obviously would want to be with somebody where there's an alignment of values, but I think that obviously I think even for maybe people who it's going to close the door for some people just because they don't want to, what's the right term?
Proxy drama?
Like if you're doing online shit.
Like I get death threats.
I get hate mail.
I have fucking major publications.
Hey, we're, they don't say this, we're.
We're writing a hit piece on you.
you care to comment like so then it's like okay they're gonna do some fucking they don't want to be in a splash zone Yeah, someone did tell me to kill myself in the street today.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah, nice.
Yeah, so I mean, I think nice.
I mean, I'm very private with my dating life, but there's still, it can still have some degree of impact.
And, but, yeah, no, it's, it's closed the door, I'd say, for some people.
Yeah.
Like before, you know, back before I started the podcast, I was, and I actually have become more conservative, a bit more conservative.
I don't think I'm too crazy with it.
Depends on who you ask.
But before I started the podcast, I considered myself a bit more moderate.
And, you know, trying to date in Southern California.
Look, I'll be honest.
If you want pussy, you got to hide some, you got to hide a little bit of your political leanings.
You can't be like, listen, listen, okay?
You know, you got, look, I'm not trying to be fucking celibate here.
I can't just fucking first date.
By the way, I don't know.
Look, I've had some bad dating experiences with some liberal women.
I'll tell you that much.
Had some bad experiences, you know.
One time I brought a bottle, not this one exactly, but plastic.
Literally, I'm not even joking.
It's not even like I made this up.
The girl torpedoed the date because I brought a plastic water ball to the date.
She was like, that's really environmentally inappropriate, or I don't know what the term was.
Was she vegan?
I'm not sure, honestly.
And then I argued with her for 10 minutes and then, yeah, that didn't go well.
And then one time, oh, a girl I was seeing for a brief period.
This was the summer of love during the BLM riots.
I didn't post a black square.
And she, she, this girl I'd been seeing for it was short, like one or two months.
I didn't post the black square.
She's like, you know, post the black square.
I was like, nah, I'm good.
And then she broke up with me.
Oh, shit.
I didn't post the black square.
I think the black square was very performative.
I agree.
Yeah.
Did you post regularly on Instagram?
Nah, not really.
I wasn't really.
That's a green flag, I think.
Yeah, I don't really.
I agree.
If I didn't do content, I probably wouldn't even have an Instagram, to be honest.
I love Instagram.
I have my real fix, you know?
Yeah, you got some funny shit on your Instagram.
Thank you.
You got some funny.
Can you lay on the accent a little thicker for us?
I mean, if you want to.
Let's hear it.
That was it.
How do you want me to, what do you want me to say?
Have you ever wrangled a cow before?
I have.
On horseback?
Yeah, actually.
Have you ever had chuned tobacco?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
You got a bucket for that.
I got a spit bucket right here for you, buddy.
You got a spit bucket right there.
Shit.
I just want a plastic water bottle.
Plastic.
Oh, you do the drip.
No, you got a handmade one.
Someone sent.
You got to make sure that you put a napkin in it so it's not all, you know.
Well, that's good.
But I should write that down.
Run it down right now.
I should, I should, next show, Mary, remind me, I'll show my girlfriend application.
It's intense.
It's like I've had some girls DM me and I send that shit.
And they're like, I'm good.
They change their mind.
I'm like, oh, it is what it is.
Like, what are the three weirdest criteria from it?
I'm not sure.
It's really long.
Well, like, I name three.
I want to see if I need to manage it.
It's just very here.
Let me see if I can pull something up.
Let me see if I can give you something.
Let's see here.
One sec, guys.
I'm pulling up.
Question for the girls.
Do you guys approach the guy or you wait for the guy to approach you?
I'll approach the guy anytime.
I don't care if he's got a mustache and blonde hair, just know I'm on it.
I usually approach as well.
I approach the guy.
I love approaching the man.
I give the signals, but I like to be approached like traditional.
I would typically kind of just wait for them to come to me, honestly.
I'm picky.
I gotta come to them.
Because if it's a dude that's coming up to me, I'm like, I like it if a girl makes the first move.
Depends on the situation.
This is because I'm really picky.
I usually like wait, and if they don't make a move, then I'll make it.
Yeah, I'm usually willing to initiate more if I feel like there's an attraction there, maybe a hesitancy or nervousness.
And I kind of sometimes you have to give a more like you know, straightforward green flag, and then they feel more comfortable.
But it needs some sort of like a signal or something.
100% for the other person or else.
Oh, yeah.
I would never.
I'm not a shot in the dark kind of person.
Yeah.
Now, here's a question that you have to ask.
One of the questions I ask, because when we went around the table, everybody here said they're single, or not everybody, but some of you said you're single.
Now, what in 2026 does it even mean to be single?
Because if you asked somebody if they're single 20 years ago, as an example, that meant like they're single.
They're not fucking somebody.
They're not talking to 20 other people.
They're single.
Now, you could ask somebody if they're single and they could be having sex with three other people, have a roster, be on a dating app, have 300 matches.
So what does it actually mean in 2026 to be single?
I'm a jealous girl.
You cannot be talking to anybody.
Yeah, I agree.
Well, in reverse.
So I think the question you have to ask, this is what you need to ask.
You can't just ask somebody if they're single, and I'll read it.
Are you currently talking to dating parentheses?
This would include casual hangouts, seeing, involved with, or maintaining contact with any other men in any capacity, whether casually or seriously, online or in person, including, but not limited to, texts, DMs, dating apps, or social media.
You need to ask that question.
I agree.
Me too.
Because you ask somebody, you think they're single.
It's like.
Yeah.
They got their guts rearranged last night.
I'm way too jealous.
What makes me even more mad, too, is like you think that you're going steady with someone.
Steady.
Is that why you wore the prairie dress today?
This is just what I wear.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
You don't like my dress?
I wasn't hating the dress.
I was just you said steady.
Yeah.
Steady.
Okay, go ahead.
Fucking 1950.
So like you think you're going steady with someone and then you find out that they're seeing other people too.
And I feel like that's a common occurrence.
Yeah, you gotta ask right away.
Right away.
What happened to me one time when I worked at Taco Bell, but it was my manager.
He was like just two years older.
And then another girl I worked with and I found out and we were all working together.
Damn.
Tennisy.
Nice.
Fucked up.
Gotta watch out for those Taco Bell managers.
Yeah, early on in high school, he wasn't really my boyfriend or anything like that, but I had kind of mentioned this when questions were sent over.
There was a man that at first was super normal.
Turned out to be very crazy, but to sum it up, he was single.
We were involved for, I would say, like a couple months.
Found out he had a girlfriend of over two years.
Oh, fuck.
And then a couple months later, him and my closest friend at the time for like three months were doing stuff.
So, I mean, I totally agree with all of these other questions.
do definitely have to be asked because yeah that definitely doesn't yeah getting cheated so for me personally i feel like i've never been able to date or like have interest in more than one person at a time just because i a lot of work It seems like a lot of work, and I have difficulty reducing levels of intimacy or balancing different intimacy in different areas.
Have any of you guys had a roster or experienced that balance?
Am I the only one that that feels difficult to?
Because it seems like a lot of people make it seem normal.
And to me, it like.
Like to have a roster?
To have a roster, like having more than like, you know, people, whether you're talking to, whether you're like dating people.
But yeah, basically.
I honestly find that quite difficult for my personal perspective.
I mean, besides like at one point in my life texting like multiple people at a time, I've never personally had multiple like physical relationships because it just goes against yeah, it just doesn't vibe with you.
Yeah.
It's difficult.
I feel like not even like with time management, with like energy management, but just to emotionally kind of develop two different relationships simultaneously.
Like I feel like for some people, maybe they can make it work.
For other people, maybe they're trying to pretend that they're making it work.
But I feel like someone's always missing it.
I would crack under, like crack under.
It's hard to get one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What is a roster?
I'm sorry.
I just don't know what to do.
Totally.
Yeah.
So roster usually will refer to someone having a couple people.
Sometimes, you know, some people will boast big rosters.
Some people might see it as like three, where you flirt or engage with them in a romantic or sexual nature, whether it's talking, whether it's sex itself, whether you just kind of, you know, date and hang out, whatever, at the same time.
And or it can be people that you can go to either for dates, sexual needs, sexual interaction, or romantic interaction over a period of time.
So think of a list.
Yeah, it's basically.
I thought it was just like sexual.
In my head, a roster is like people you're just having sex with.
Yeah.
I've heard that.
I've heard some people where they're like, you know.
That's what I think.
When I hear roster, I'm thinking like, oh, you have a roster lined up ready at your door.
That might be, yeah.
Does anybody here have one?
I did in college.
How big was it?
It wasn't necessarily like I wrote down names or anything, but it was just like on the weekends I'd go out and then might hang out with this guy and then the next day might the other guy or I went crazy.
Got it.
Holly bussing.
Thank you for the 20 on Venmo.
Appreciate it, Holly.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
All right.
Did you have another question?
I feel like you maybe asked me something, but I don't remember.
I was asking your other standards, but I think.
Oh, the other.
Just give her the list.
Just give her the application.
All right.
I want to know.
I want to ask.
I ask, okay, here's maybe a crazy one.
It's like literally HIPAA violation type shit.
Okay.
Have you been in therapy?
Yeah.
Are you in therapy?
Do you have any mental health diagnoses?
If so, list them.
Shit.
How many different therapists have you had if you've been to therapy?
I'm trying to think of what else.
Are you on any medications?
List them.
So that's a few.
Those are good ones.
I like it.
Yeah, but do you realize how insane that would be?
If you were just on a date with a girl that you met on a dating app to just ask those questions, you can't get away with it.
I don't think you could get away with it.
Maybe, I don't know.
Got to go through a panic.
Sneak inner house.
You got to organically and just be like, so where are you coming from?
Therapy.
Who here is in therapy?
You're in therapy?
Okay.
How long have you been in therapy for?
Oh, years.
Years?
How many different therapists have you had?
She's only a couple, but only a couple.
One of them was because she got pregnant, so I couldn't go to her anymore.
The other one was because she wasn't helping.
There's different therapists do different things, and she was the roster of therapist.
I did a roster of therapists.
She wasn't what I necessarily needed, so I moved to somebody else.
And I've had him for like two years now.
Gotcha.
I had a therapist try to hook up with me when I was younger.
And he lost his business.
Sabotaging Relationships? 00:04:09
When you say younger, you mean I was 18, I think.
I mean, that's still wrong, even if you're an adult.
Yeah.
Because it's like an ethical thing.
You're not going to be able to do it.
Or abusive.
Because it's vulnerable with your therapist.
It's illegal.
It's like, I think, yeah.
They can definitely get in trouble for it.
Yeah.
Like lose their license.
Did he lose his business because of that?
Yeah.
Damn.
Got it.
Good luck.
Thirsty therapist.
Thirsty therapist.
I think therapy is good, though.
it's sometimes a bad wreck because it's like oh why are you in therapy but if you're using it correctly then I feel like what do you go for I just go to chat.
That's not the right reason.
Okay, well, I have ADHD and I have like trauma from my past abusive relationship as well as like my parents.
How did you abuse me?
What did you do?
He abused me.
I mean, I definitely got, like...
What did you do, though?
What did I do?
Did you do anything?
I don't know.
I mean, I feel like there gets a point when you're in an abusive relationship where you kind of like come become a product of your environment and you fight back a little bit, you become toxic as well.
And I had to like unlearn those traits.
And I think I've succeeded.
I'll share a little bit of an anecdote on this.
Now, I've had a couple long-term relationships.
And I, of almost every single girl I've dated, nothing bad to say about them.
Great women, great girls don't have anything bad.
Sometimes things don't work out.
However, there was one girl, and I'm pretty sure she had borderline personality disorder.
And I don't know if anybody can relate to this.
I've never, all my other relationships, super low conflict, super low friction.
But that particular relationship, maybe somebody in the chat can relate.
She was toxic, okay?
And I would, I would get upset.
I would get upset, you know?
To the point where I'm like, you're driving me crazy here.
What are you doing?
And, you know, there are a few times I'd raise my voice.
Never, you know, nothing more than that.
But I don't know if anyone can relate to that where it's like, this person is so causing so much conflict.
You're just you, in all your other relationships, you've never been like that.
You've never been like that after the toxic relationship.
But in that one thing, they sometimes a man or a woman can draw that shit out of you.
Yes.
I don't know.
Can anyone relate to that?
I don't know.
Self-sabotaging type thing.
I wouldn't date no one mentally.
I don't think self-sabotaging.
That's mentally ill work.
They don't need to be in a relationship at all.
I think they need help.
I think people with BPD need like a lot of validation and they feel they need help.
Like some girls will like self-self like sabotage to like test you to like be like, would you stay through all this?
Or I think if they're depressed, they might just be self-sabotaging and not knowing it too.
But that's not healthy.
One of the, I feel like, gnarliest things about BPD, it seems like, is that accountability and taking ownership of what's going on with you is one of the best and only ways to kind of work through some of the things.
But it also is the toughest thing because you have such a fragile sense of self and you have such a fragile, you just don't have an innate sense of like general safety or like general, I don't know, cohesiveness with reality.
But I haven't experienced it in relationships, but I've experienced like in a romantic relationship, but other relationships, I've experienced people where they're just so crazy, you feel like you're going crazy.
You can't even be friends with them.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm not their yeller, but like you just, you make no sense, dude.
And like if we can't even talk about you become a product.
Why did you leave me?
Why did you leave me?
Why didn't you text me?
What's the matter with you?
It's just nuts.
It's just been 12 hours.
Grow up.
Yeah, grow up.
Get some balls.
Go to therapy.
Yeah, go to therapy.
Therapy is cool.
That's it.
Just go to therapy.
Therapy's cool.
Get your mental health.
Brian, have you been in therapy?
Have I been in therapy?
Yeah.
Supporting Choices 00:07:06
Trying to think.
I had a grandparent die.
No, actually, I didn't, not for that.
When I was in, I think my senior year of high school, I started getting panic attacks.
And I saw a therapist specifically to treat that.
I saw him for two or three months.
He gave me tools to be able to help with that, stopped having panic attacks.
So, yeah, that was pretty much it, though.
One time.
Yeah.
But like talk therapy, where I'm just like, oh my god, my life is miserable.
No.
It was just like, oh shit, panic attacks.
What's going on?
I mean, that's not how talk therapy is.
I mean, for some people, maybe.
But.
Mary, can you open the door, please?
Who here is on any medications?
An inhaler.
Only medically.
Inhaler.
Yes.
Can you abuse an inhaler?
Yes.
Like, does it get you high?
No, no.
Just it can be bad for you if you use it too many times.
Any medications?
Medically, only.
What does that mean?
What is that?
I had a thyroid infection, so I have to take antibiotics, right?
And it's in my bag right now.
So I hope I don't forget to take it.
I'm on Adderall.
Adderall?
Yeah.
Me too.
Adderall.
Okay.
Good times.
Further disagreements.
Brianna, you wrote that.
Wait, hold on.
Where the heck is it?
Oh, my God.
You disagree in some ways, especially when it comes to belittling women.
Okay, let's explore that.
What are your thoughts there?
How do I belittle women, et cetera, et cetera?
So most parts I really do stand and agree with you on due to the way that I was raised in my beliefs that also do lean a lot more conservative.
But some women are in the position from a young age where it's very hard for them to support themselves financially.
And I guess in that realm of things, I do kind of support, not support, but understand maybe being in the OnlyFans or sex worker industry.
Because, I mean, again, you can always go and get a normal, I mean, not to say that it's not a normal job, but like more so of a normal job.
But a lot of people don't have maybe the knowledge or the access to be able to do so in some way, shape, or form.
A lot of it is by choice.
But I feel as though I kind of kind of stand with the side of it that doesn't really have as much of a choice, if what I'm saying makes sense.
Are you saying like, like you're sold into it?
No, no, no, no, not at all.
Just Like maybe schooling and college isn't as accessible to a lot of people.
I don't know.
You could just work at McDonald's.
You gotta sell your pussy online.
McDonald's is hiring.
I feel like that's awesome that no one has.
I disagree.
I started because I was trying to pay for my school because I was, I was working at Subway, but I was working 40-hour weeks and I didn't have time to study or go to class.
I was so exhausted.
So I got into the industry because I wanted.
I'm not going to get a loss.
You're always getting a loan.
I had to get my own loans and I couldn't qualify for everything.
Didn't like one of the presidents wipe out student loans?
Yeah.
No, I wish.
I'm still paying.
I think Biden.
He didn't need it.
He wanted to.
He did not, I promise you.
I think I got challenged in the cool.
Maybe I don't recall the details.
But, okay, so you understand why some women go to OnlyFans for financial or economic reasons.
But what specifically, because you mentioned belittling, what would you say is an example of a time I belittled a woman?
I've seen clips here and there off the top of my head.
In full honesty, I can't give you a response, but I feel like there have been some times where you've disregarded somebody's reasoning for doing so.
For doing OnlyFans.
Or any type of sex work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Again, although I really don't necessarily agree with that whole industry as a whole, I feel like some people have different reasons for doing so.
So.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I don't know if I typically belittle.
Maybe I have, though.
I don't know.
But I'm not asking for a verbatim quote, but is there something like that in your memory that you could point to and be like, Brian, this one time you called a chick a whore or something like that?
I don't know.
Something like that.
Something.
I mean, I would say that.
Can I play off of that?
You call yourself one.
Same.
Do you think that it's like less morally wrong if a woman does OnlyFans based on the reason why she does it?
Feels very demoralizing to a woman.
Just wondering.
Is it less wrong?
In your opinion.
Is it less morally wrong based on the reason?
But you know, look, there's a lot of opportunity in the United States.
You can work.
Look, it might not be a glamorous job, but there's plenty of jobs.
And honestly, if you're an attractive woman, even you can do things outside of sex work and even use your pretty privilege.
You know, a lot of women will get into like medical sales and you can get into something even without a college education and still make a good income and enough money to survive.
I don't know if it's actually the case in the United States that any woman has to do sex work.
Like, I understand it's appealing in the sense that some women can make a lot of money doing it, but I don't know if it's actually true that any woman in the United States has to turn to sex work for purely financial reasons.
What about like a mom that has like two under five at home and has no support system and no time to take care of the government system?
Yeah, but does welfare pay enough to support a family of three?
I have a kid and when I was a bartender, I was on food stamps and they had everything good.
I didn't have to really pay for anything.
They paid for my insurance, food in my fridge, and by paper, I was, you know, single mother.
You know, I was still living with my baby daddy at the time, but they paid for everything, and I still had a job and I was making $5,000 a month.
Government Help and Separate Identities 00:02:25
And OnlyFans was a choice.
It's a choice.
I guess I just didn't really consider the government help aspects of that.
Not just government help, but even religious institutions.
A lot of churches have a lot of different programs that they run through that subs that can be like free diapers.
I would get a box of diapers every month from the church for everyone else.
What about food pantries?
They gave me food, wipes, diapers, everything you really needed.
It's just handed to you.
What if she doesn't want things handed to her?
Well, then that's her.
Then she's a choice.
Just like with your school, respectfully, you didn't have to do sex work.
You just didn't have to go to school.
And sometimes.
You didn't have to open your legs to have a kid either.
But yeah, it's just like, and I will say, I think one of the issues is that people automatically equate behavior with moral value or worth of the individual.
So I will look you in the face and say, I probably wouldn't call you a hoe because I don't think that that's a permanent state.
I hope it's not a permanent state.
Maybe it is a permanent state.
Maybe you die and I call you a hoe then, but you're doing hoe shit.
And I will say, like, I think that like ho shit is difficult both for the individual engaging in it and I don't think anyone would say, hey, it's all peaches and cream.
I think that some of the damage or the difficulty extends deeper than some people are willing to admit.
Both between one, you're essentially creating a separate identity.
You become a performer.
And that kind of shit on your psyche, especially when you're going into a separate and essentially disassociating.
And you could say, oh, no, this is just me.
But no, in order to be successful, you have to create an alter ego or some kind of character.
Because if you're just your normal person self, no one's going to tune in for the most part.
And you're disassociating into that character during one of the most intimate acts that people can engage together.
I think that over time, that can fuck with you.
I think that a lot of women either get into it because they think that other people objectify me or are going to objectify me.
So I'm going to objectify myself first and that way I have control over the situation.
Some people might think, oh, it's all fun and games.
Lightsabers and Misdemeanors 00:14:45
I love sex.
It'll be cool, whatever.
But I think that there does come a time in everyone's life, with the exception of maybe like a handful, like truly minute numbers that this shit's going to have an impact.
And you're going to be sitting at one day.
And that breaks my heart for anyone that's going through that because I think that some people go through not knowing.
Some people go through willingly, like willfully knowing and not caring.
But it makes me sad.
I don't think that it makes you a bad person.
I just think that it's sad to see someone put themselves in a bad position.
And what if it helps people get out of the bathroom?
I'm going to move to the next topic here, but I have a question.
So would you date a guy who has a nerdy collection of something?
100%.
I do.
That's tons of reasons.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
Why do you have one?
Mary, play the YouTube clip, the YouTube short.
We'll put it in the video tab.
I have something to show you guys here.
Seems like you guys are all open to it, though.
NEEDS FOUR FUNCTIONING LIGHTSABERS.
Who said we need them?
Who said we need four lightsabers?
I wanted them.
I don't need them.
I want them.
And you want to know a secret?
I don't have enough.
I want more.
And I know I shouldn't.
I got a better question.
Why would I go on a date when I could just stay home and just do this all day?
This is way more fun.
What grown man needs four?
Would you guys date a guy who had four lightsabers?
Yeah, that's cute.
That's like a dude.
I mean, if he had 10 lightsabers, yes.
Anything less?
Probably no.
Yeah.
That's that's a men need whimsy.
I don't know.
I like Star Trek a little bit better.
Fake poser if you have less than 10.
We have a let's see here.
We have some tweets from you guys.
We're gonna.
These are I got some tweets.
We got the show.
So I looked at some of your guys' Twitter accounts.
We got some tweets to react to.
Go ahead, pull up the first one.
Oh, Kitty.
Wait, zoom it in.
Is that a felony?
Can you zoom in?
You posted this on your Twitter.
So, is this you?
Yeah.
So you got charged with.
Wait, let me put it back.
You got charged with felony, assault.
You looked at my Twitter?
It was on your Twitter, yeah.
Okay.
It's public on that.
I forgot about it.
So, what's the story there?
So I can't really.
Can I talk about it?
Wait, when was that, by the way?
That was.
I think it was two years ago.
I don't know.
The non-consensual one.
Wait, the what?
The non-consensual one.
Yeah, but I don't know if I can.
I don't know if you can.
Was it a boyfriend?
Yeah.
But that was like the one two years ago.
I don't know if I can talk about it.
It was.
No, it was brought down to a misdemeanor, so it's fine.
But it's all finished or whatever.
But I really don't know if I can talk about it.
I want to.
You probably can.
Are you sure?
I don't know.
Why did you post it?
Because it was funny.
I was like, look, but I never really elaborated it on the internet, though.
So.
Yeah, but it's on your ex, but that's fine.
It was brought down to a misdemeanor.
Were you on a leash when you did it?
No.
It was.
Leashes are more for like Sim Sarah fans.
And yeah.
Did you fucked him up?
That happened.
What did you do?
Did you give him a lazy eye?
No.
Oh my God.
I should have.
I wish.
I mean, it should have happened to her.
Damn.
That's fucked up.
Yeah, it was brought down to disturbing the peace.
Yeah.
Because eyewitnesses.
Oh, was it in public?
No, no, no, no.
My roommates.
They saw.
Was it a guy or a girl?
It was a guy.
They were able to like.
Was it the guy you were dating?
Yeah.
So they were able to, like, they were able to like defend me a bit.
And so it was brought down to a misdemeanor.
And I had to do a lot of community service.
Damn.
Yeah.
But, like, so was he, like, attacking you?
Or?
Um, yeah, sort of, he got a little aggressive, and he thought I was going to be more of like the submissive.
It was a new thing.
He thought I was going to be submissive.
Like, sorry, sorry, I know.
I went, bam, and I started doing it more.
And then the neighbors, I think the neighbors called her.
It happened really fast, right?
And then there was like sirens, and then I got arrested.
Was he bleeding?
Yeah, so they thought they thought.
Did you use a weapon?
No, they thought it was assault with a weapon.
That's why there are helicopters all over the thing and multiple cop cars.
Yeah, so I don't know what happened, like what somebody said, but my roommates, they said they were talking to the neighbors and they thought like.
Did you break his nose?
No, I wish.
Where was he bleeding from?
Like, all here.
So you could have given him the lazy eye.
You don't know, though.
Yeah.
And this was like a guy you just met?
No.
So what happened was I was dating him and then three months later, all of a sudden he had a problem with the OF when in the beginning he said it was fine.
totally fine supported it and then yeah that was and then she beat his ass Yeah, because I wasn't like, I'm not.
I don't know.
I just fought back and stuff.
And it didn't.
You didn't even hurt.
Yeah.
Didn't hurt you.
No.
Because usually they're like, because I remember in my mind, it's like slow motion.
In my mind, it's like, don't tuck in, don't tuck in the thumb, don't touch it.
You gotta be careful with the Filipino women.
Yeah, so.
It can be a little spicy, you know?
And he thought the dominance was like a, it was like an act.
Like, no, like, I'm very soft-spoken, but I'm still...
Is this your first altercation you've had with a guy?
Yeah, yeah.
I've never, I've never dealt with that before.
I've never had a man disrespect me ever.
Even as an OF girl, even like in public, nobody just, like, people at the climbing gym, they know about it.
They've never disrespected me like that.
i've never felt that before so damn it was like a i forgot about that It's there.
That's all I forgot.
Next tweet.
What do we got?
Holy fuck.
Yep.
You need a man.
Wait.
Holy fuck.
Wait, can you, Mary?
Can you just hide us temper?
Or wait.
Actually, zoom it out.
So wait, can you read the top one and then the bottom one?
I need a man to dominate DM.
And then what's the bottom one?
Heartbroken, because I'll never get the feeling of pressing a man's head onto my dick so he can gag on it.
Like, I really want that feeling.
You want to be pretty crazy.
Hey, you know, look.
And then there's another one.
You might have to.
Let's see the next one.
Zoom it in.
Read that.
I'm so bored that I want to step on men, which I do, and it's really fun.
You step on them?
Yeah, there was a guy at my apartment.
I had him wash my dishes, and then I stepped on him after.
Nice.
Because I don't clean very well, so sometimes I have my fans clean my apartment.
Your fans?
Yeah.
I feel like that's kind of sketchy, don't you?
It's really not, because a lot of my fans, surprisingly, they're very respectful.
Do you have one a gun?
Yeah, I was going to say they could also, I feel like put cameras in your home and do like weird shit.
Technically they could, but they don't, they don't, like, you would see them put cameras and stuff in there.
Or not.
Are you watching them clean all the time?
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
I'm like sitting in the kitchen and stuff and they should be doing the dishes.
And they're more like scared of me.
So they're not like.
I don't see why.
Well, I'm still kind.
I'm still very nice to them.
So they're still like, you know.
And yeah, they've never done anything weird.
You know, I get flack because I want women.
The very first time a woman comes to my house, I want her to bow.
I want her to fold my laundry.
And I get flack for that.
And we got girls over here stepping on dudes, beating them up and shit.
Hey, forgot.
For the funeral.
I don't know.
It's like, why do I, I'm just trying to be wholesome over here.
Just want a girl to do my laundry and to, you know.
Wait, praise goes in?
Do I praise her?
After, yeah, do you give me a paper?
I pat her on the head.
Good job.
Yeah, like that.
Good girl.
Good girl.
But does she walk in and she's like, yes, hello, master.
I've come to New York.
Another gold star.
I should actually get stickers.
I just take it away this time.
Would you guys like bow to a guy like that?
We have a video.
I have a video of my ex-girlfriend doing it, actually.
I would in a role play.
Pull it up once she's back, but what's that?
Like in a roleplay situation?
Yeah.
No, super serious.
Oh, it was super serious.
Were you paying the bills?
Huh?
Are you paying the bills?
What do you mean?
Were you paying the bills?
The rent.
Well, initially, I'm not.
No.
But if we're far enough in a relationship, we've decided to move in together, then I'm taking care of everything.
So if, yeah, long term, I'm taking care of everything in the relationship.
Well, I'd be bowing.
Well, there you go.
For sure.
But like second date, third date.
No.
But if we're living together, everything's taken care of.
Fair enough.
We have kids, everything's taken care of.
Everything's taken care of.
That's how that's what I want, but reversed.
You want to take care of everything.
Me too.
And you want, both of you want to.
You want to.
I would like a house husband.
Me too.
If I get a boyfriend, I want him to just hold the camera.
Oh, boy.
I want to go.
Even for the BG content?
Or he'd be in if he wanted to.
Well, if you got a boyfriend, would you do scenes with like other men?
It would be what he's comfortable with.
Let's say it was no.
Then no, I wouldn't do it.
You wouldn't do it.
Okay.
What about you?
Would you do?
You do BG content, right?
Okay.
Yeah.
Do you do boy girl content?
Only solo stuff?
Okay.
What about you?
I don't solo.
You've never done boy girl?
No, I don't.
I don't.
I don't know.
I just never thought of setting up a camera and then she's got that dominance thing, you know?
She can't have messing it up.
I feel like even because I go after submissive guys.
So if I bow to them, they'd be like, ew, what are you doing?
Interesting.
Yeah.
Well, there's switches out there, I guess, you could find, I guess.
Okay, let's play the bow video, though.
So this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend, and I explicitly told her the old one.
I actually show this video to future girlfriends, new girls I'm dealing with, like as a template.
Does she know?
Instructional, huh?
Does she know you do that?
Huh?
Like, does she know you're showing me?
Oh, yeah, I told her.
I was like, look, obviously it's not going to work out between us.
Here, let's do, let me film this video because, look, you do a pretty good job at it.
Not the best, but I'm like, let me use this as a tutorial for future girlfriends so they can get with the program.
So, all right, let's go ahead and play it.
So, mind the bow at the beginning.
Go ahead.
Boom.
Of course, huge bow.
Deep, deep bow.
This is after a long podcast episode.
And yeah.
And then she has my dinner ready here, as you're about to see.
And I like the scampering.
I don't know if that's the right word.
That's always good.
Cracks open the beer for me.
I don't even drink beer, but she does it anyways.
Stirs my noodles.
And then very attentive.
Very attentive, as you'll see.
Good.
And then play it one more time from the beginning.
Just the bow.
Boom.
Do you see the depth?
Do you see the submissive hand posture?
So this is my expectation.
I want a girl who I get home, dinner's ready, hits a bow.
Does she chew your food for you too?
Does she chew it for me?
Yeah.
Like a bird and regurgitates it and stuff.
She does everything else.
No, she doesn't do that.
Maybe you should tell her.
She does.
No, she doesn't do that.
Does whatever she does.
Do you need a man like that?
Yeah.
But so that's what I would appreciate.
Also, first time ever a girl comes over to the house, she should do my laundry.
First time ever.
You want her to see your undies?
I actually freeball, so I don't really have much underwear.
Oh, you want her to see the stains on the inside of your jeans?
There are no stains.
I have zero stains.
I am a bit of a clean freak, so hygiene, very important.
Yeah, trust me, no skid marks on anything.
Okay, wait.
You said you don't like, You have to use baby wipes.
If you're, you can't, or a bidet.
You need a bidet or baby wipes.
You can't.
If people who only dry wipe no, you're fucking up.
Okay, go ahead.
Um, you said you don't like um, what was the thing?
The fit the, the spending time together, what was that?
Quality time, quality time, you said you don't like quality time.
So when she does all this for you, do you just like, ignore her, or like, or like, do you like?
All right bye, and just sit there, are you did us that.
Uh well I, I mean, do I ignore her?
I don't know if I ignore her, but like, you're like okay, I might gaze upon her for a few seconds like, like that, but that's uh yeah, that's pretty much it.
But what are you doing in return for all of that?
Your, your presence, I am the table i'm, I am I, I am the table.
Interesting, what do I bring?
I, i'm the table.
Um, would you think it was wrong if a woman thought like that, oh absolutely, why is it different?
Double standards?
That's completely ridiculous.
No, I mean what?
So what was your question though, originally what?
What do I do?
Yeah, and especially if you guys are not in like a committed relationship and you're not acting as a provider.
If she's coming to my house, she's committed to me, but you're not providing anything for her.
Well, here's my, here's my standard.
Uh, I understand, it depends on the context a little bit.
If she's reaching out to me, she's 100 single.
If we're gonna meet at all uh, but like, let's say i've, you know, i've shot my shot with a girl uh, or we, you know, back in the day, if we matched on a dating app, i'd be really explicit about it.
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Um, if we go on a first date and you want a second date, it has to be a wrap with the other dudes, if you want.
If there's other guys in the picture, you you kind of like this guy, you're on the fence with me, that's fine.
I'm not interested though, and that's okay she, she's on the fence about me, or.
But I don't want to be in a situation really, where i'm uh pursuing a girl dating a girl uh, beyond the first date, and she's fuck another, another guy.
She's solid, but is this the same for you as well?
Is it the same for me?
Yeah yeah uh but um, where was I going with that?
Um, so no quality time oh commitment, and what am I?
Yeah yeah, so from the get-go.
Yeah, first date.
Yeah, she should fold the laundry, absolutely first date.
I shouldn't even unprompted.
She should just I mean, i've done that for immediately done their laundry on day.
Yeah, it's like you get home to my place, especially if they let me stay over there.
We shouldn't even like have pleasant chit chat.
She should just be like Brian, where's the laundry room?
I'm going like make their beds when you're.
What do you need?
So you have like first and second dates at your house uh, or you just bring your laundry with you.
Well, so it's uh the phrasing is first time at my house.
I guess that could be the first date, or it could be a second or third time meeting.
But um yeah, first time at the house.
If you want that, I think that's totally like valid.
Yeah, as long as you provide the correct environment.
Oh, the nurture environment is provided right, correct environment, definitely provided 100.
How can you ensure that?
Like, what is it?
What is the proper environment for you?
Proper environment, what do you mean?
Like well, it's good, you just said it's in, I bring the table.
It's obviously not just the table.
Like, all right, like you said.
So you said you'd provide, what about like creating that trust, stability and genuine connection?
Because I do think that's very possible for any partner of any sex to provide that if they're in a nurturing environment Yeah, I pat her on the head afterwards.
Good girl.
Thank you.
That's part of it.
But do you say like that?
Do you say good girl?
How do you say it?
How do I'm trying to get something out of me?
That's a very intimate thing.
So I'm not going to reveal that.
Yeah.
What about in bed?
Like, is there like a reward?
You know what, actually?
It is a turn on when the more chores a woman does for me, that absolutely you're 100% spot on.
She does get rewarded.
Trust me.
God.
But like how?
Like how, yeah.
Well, I mean, first off, it's nephrodisiac to witness a woman doing your laundry, cooking for you, cleaning the house.
Nothing gets me going.
Like, you know, you guys think fucking lingerie, I don't give a fuck.
I don't care.
Lingerie, I don't care.
But like, she's like cleaning, like vacuuming or some shit.
Holy instantly hard.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Hard.
Stiff.
Do you have mommy issues?
Do I have a mommy?
What the fuck?
Mommy issues.
I don't think you should be bringing that up, bro.
It's giving like a caregiver.
Oh, it does.
I'm the same way but Tell me I'm the same way, but opposite in a sense.
I like to feel taken care of.
I like when a guy cuts up my steak for me.
Little things like that.
He cuts it up for you.
That's true.
My dad used to cut my stick up.
Yeah, me too.
I like to be taken care of.
And you're giving me the same kind of vibe is what I'm getting.
I have daddy issues.
Oh, well, I don't have daddy issues.
No, no mommy issues.
Parents still married.
Great relationship.
No mommy issues.
Yeah, just.
Did your mom do a lot of like the household chores?
Actually, no, not really.
I mean, she did do things in the household, but I think my parents actually have almost to...
Like, for example, my dad did the cooking.
My mom did not cook much.
So I want to say they had to even some degree a bit.
I mean, there were some roles.
It was for my mom, some for my dad, but probably more towards an egalitarian dynamic than a more trad dynamic with my parents.
And do you believe there are specific roles for specific genders and relationships?
I think I think people can negotiate whatever they want in their own relationships.
But as a general principle, I think the more traditional gender roles tend to be, I think, the most conducive to a good relationship.
Yeah.
And at least that's my own preference.
Look, you got a fucking domi mommy here.
She wants to fucking peg a dude.
Hey.
I love it.
Good for her, right?
Each their own.
Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.
But I think in general, I think what tends to work the best is the traditional roles.
Yeah.
I agree.
I won't take the trash out, but I'll put the trash bags in.
Well, I think the woman should take the trash out too.
Yeah.
That's not true, bring it to the streets.
That's the man's job.
Well, hey, listen.
That doesn't seem like you're providing, you know?
I'm providing.
I'm providing all the food that went into the trash can.
I don't know.
That's a big, strong man job.
I don't know.
You better have a bucket.
are you a big strong man like can you like yeah i mean the uh look the trash bags are not that heavy Like, this idea that, oh, the trash is the man's job.
Listen.
I can have a woman who's 97 pounds and 5'1 can do the trash, okay?
It's heavy and it's standard.
She can, but shouldn't.
Mowing the lawn, I'll mow the lawn.
She can, but she.
I don't want to take an album.
What about changing an alternator?
Changing an alternator.
Is that a man's job?
That's a mechanic's job.
You don't know how to do like an oil change or something?
I know how to oil change, but I'd rather a professional do it.
I don't want to fuck something up.
I could do it.
I know how to do it, but yeah.
I do have a question.
So is the.
Sorry, I don't like, I don't want to offend you.
I'm not sure it's hard to offend me, I think.
Was the toilet seat thing?
Was that like you establishing dominance?
Toilet seat thing?
What do you mean?
I went to the bathroom after you and you left the toilet seat up.
And I also was the first person that went to the bathroom when I got here and the toilet seat up was up again.
So I'm wondering, because like there's a bunch of women here.
Are you like, yeah, this is my toilet?
Leave the toilet seat up.
I don't get the whole toilet seat thing.
Look, I think whoever, whatever the state of affairs is in the bathroom, you put the toilet seat where you want it.
I don't, I, are you suggesting that men should put the toilet seat down for women?
Yeah, absolutely.
Bullshit.
Absolutely not.
No.
It's a consideration thing.
Not very considerate.
Actually, you know, it's funny.
I have an anecdote.
I actually, after hooking up with a girl, first time, right?
And I liked her.
And she comes back out of the bathroom and she's like, oh, you didn't put the toilet seat down for me.
And gave me attitude about it.
Never talk to her again.
Don't you know if the toilet seat's open?
Never talk to her again.
Cracked.
Never even talk to her again.
Oh, wow.
You gotta be careful.
You gotta be careful, ladies, okay?
Pick your battles.
You gotta understand with men.
I'm gonna, look, I'm gonna be, this is, this is girl talk right now.
I'm gonna have some game.
You hope men can't be honest with women, but I can.
So I'm gonna put you on some game.
Say you're dating a guy.
Let's say you really like this guy.
Maybe he really likes you.
The minute you cause friction to a certain degree, he doesn't like you anymore.
Now, hold on.
He still wants to fuck you, but he doesn't like you anymore.
So he'll keep you around for a couple weeks, a couple months, but he no longer likes you.
You know, if you're just bitching about a toilet seat 24-7, I wouldn't like the rest either.
I would highly, strongly encourage you, women, if you're like, this guy's a catch, you need to be on your fucking A-game and not cause any friction.
I'm sorry.
You got to delay friction for as long as humanly possible, preferably never.
You want a woman to fold your laundry, cook for you, take out the trash, and you draw the line at her asking you to put the toilet seat down.
The toilet seat is for, so germs don't get out.
Like, germs are like, you know.
Oh, yeah.
And you're breathing it in.
Privately, like, okay, for, I mean, not to be graphic.
Number two, yes, fully down.
The cover, fully down, and then you flush.
A piss?
Nah, come on.
Come on, you leave it up.
What if your woman's love language is also accessorious and all she wants you to do is put the toilet seat down?
Would you do it because you love her?
My.
Look, as the man in the relationship, my needs.
You're going to hate this.
The man's needs supersede.
You princess.
Can you elaborate on that?
No, I think there's some leeway if she's pregnant.
Sub leeway.
Subly.
There's some leeway if she's pregnant.
She's carrying the child.
She's carrying the child and there's only seven.
However, if she isn't pregnant with my kid, supersedes.
Is chivalry dead?
And women killed it.
I disagree because you're proving the opposite right now.
And women killed it.
You talk about women being sensitive and causing friction over subjects that don't honestly seem that big of a deal, but it's a huge deal.
My perspective, it seems like you're the one causing a big deal about something that's really easy to do.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Make an argument for why men should put the toilet seat down.
It's a dirty consideration.
Why would women have it up and want to touch a dirty toilet seat?
You put it up because you put it down.
You get a lunch.
Put it down with your foot.
You want me to drive?
You put it up.
You put it up.
Are you guys for real?
Like, you.
Wait, hold on.
You've been dating a guy for two to three years.
Yeah.
Do you guys live together?
No.
Okay, but spend and is it long distance?
He lives like two shoes.
Stop, Okay.
You guys live together.
No.
Sorry, sorry.
Okay, you threw me off there.
Let's just location stuff.
Let's not.
Okay, so when you go to his house or he goes to your place, well, which is it typically?
Do you go to his place?
I go to his.
Okay, he leaves the he puts the toilet seat up for you.
Well, he has like one of those fancy Japanese toilets and it does it on its own.
Automatically?
Those are so good.
I feel like cutting around brothers.
But I mean, in any other case, you have to be able to do that.
Yeah, literally.
Common decency at the bare minimum.
I have bare minimum.
That's crazy.
I have two brothers, and I still think it's just a very nice thing to do for the woman in the relationship.
It shows you care and you're considerate about her when she has to sit down.
If you pick it up, you put it back down.
Luckily, I have two bathrooms, and she also, this is another topic that we can probably touch on that I'm sure you guys will love.
So maybe she can just have, she just walks across the house to the other bathroom.
But also, I mean, this relates to having separate bedrooms.
So, yeah, she has a separate bedroom.
Oh, that sounds like you're lazy, kind of.
I would want to be lazy.
Well, because why can't you walk to another bathroom?
Well, we're kicking it in my bedroom.
My bedroom has the bathroom attached to it, and then the separate bedroom or a separate bathroom, excuse me, is over there.
That's her bathroom.
It's called being a gentleman.
I feel like that's fine.
Being a gentleman.
I think it's fine.
I understand what the separate bathroom is.
Get your vagina water.
It is.
Got all your stuff in your own bedroom.
It's giving roommates.
Yeah.
Like a roommate situation.
Giving roommates.
Yeah.
Giving.
I don't know.
I feel like I want a pretty pink bedroom and same.
Nice lights and fur on the floor.
I don't think a man would like that at all.
So if he wanted a separate bedroom, shit, go get your nasty ass over there.
But of course, I like to cuddle and do this.
And at the end of the night, if I want to stay in there, if he lets me stay in there, I don't get the separate bedroom thing.
I understand having separate rooms.
Like, you know, like, okay, you know, maybe like a man cave and like a craft room or something.
Separate, separate rooms, but to sleep in different beds, I feel like lacks intimacy severely.
I feel like if I want to masturbate by myself, that'd be good to have an extra bedroom.
And also, like, I've always told myself, if I ever decide to date again, I'm having my own bedroom or I'm not living with the motherfucker.
I feel like that's the very important part of being in a relationship.
Because what?
Going.
Sleeping in the same place.
Yes, like your nighttime routines together, going to sleep together.
It's very, I'd even say it's like a sacred place.
And I agree.
I feel like that's also very important, but it's also very important to have an additional extra space that if there is some tension or an argument, you guys have your alone time.
It's just weird that it's a bedroom.
Wait, what do you mean?
Like, I agree with the separate space.
Like, I do think it's important in a relationship to like have your own spaces.
But the bedroom being it specifically, I think just.
Why can't I just fuck my husband and then go to my other room and play some video games?
Having like your own separate space, like your own bathroom, makes it to where you don't have to fall in the toilet because he left the toilet seat up.
Yep.
That's fair.
But the bedroom?
Like you're just mitigating issues you don't like that he's doing.
You have your own space.
Even if there was only one bathroom on the toilet seat thing, I'm not putting the toilet seat down.
Even if it was one bathroom.
But I'm such a benevolent, I'm such a nice guy.
I happen to have a house to myself with multiple rooms and another bathroom.
So, you know, I'm obviously considerate of the toilet seat situation, having two bathrooms.
But what were you getting to?
Like having separate bedrooms.
Oh, the separate bedrooms thing.
Well, I mean, so my position on the separate bedrooms thing is, so it's not arbitrary.
And I understand that sleeping together in the same bed, that's bonding.
That's a bit more intimacy.
Although, I think you could make an argument for it can reduce intimacy in the sense that, like, I don't know what you guys think about this, but like farting in front of each other or burping in front of each other.
Well, I think it's okay for men to do it, but if a woman, women should not be doing that shit.
Farting in Bed? 00:05:30
Women should not be burping and farting.
Yeah.
Like, we can have three kids together.
Maybe it's okay to fart.
One kid burp.
But if it, like, I've had a girl burp on the first date, cracked, never talking to her again.
They don't poop either, right?
Women should not poop.
Yeah, exactly.
So you want to date a doll?
What the fuck?
No.
But so, oh shit, we have some.
Okay, I'll get the chats in just a sec.
But for the bedroom thing, for the bedroom thing, she is shocked.
She can't believe it.
Burping or farting?
Well, you've just revealed to that.
Now they know that you fart.
I have stomach issues.
You got it.
What's that called, bro?
Pretty girl on the IBM.
Yes, you're not going to be able to do it.
No crony.
Pretty girls always have stomach issues.
How can you truly be in love with someone and intimate with them?
Wait, whoa.
That's just farted on me.
Did you actually just fart?
No.
Straight up.
Did you guys smell that shit?
What?
I didn't do it.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Come back at a good time.
Excuse me.
That's fucking disgusting.
Dikes.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Ryan's lock or something.
I'm just kidding.
But wait, really quick on the bedroom things.
Here's my simple argument on the bedroom.
Oh, yeah.
I was saying how it could actually decrease intimacy when you're too familiar, too in each other's spaces like that, you know?
I think my main point would be the reason I want separate beds is purely sleep quality.
I'm not averse.
I can sleep with a woman, but and some women, you know, it can be different.
You know, some women are like super still and don't move at all and make no noise.
And that's more ideal.
Some women can fucking flail.
And I had a girl, I think a girl fucked my nose up one time.
She like flailed, like tilted her head back and it was, I was spooning.
This is why I actually never spoon anymore.
I will not be big spoon.
I'll be little spoon.
Little spoon is where it's at, by the way.
You guys have had that shit on lock for too long.
We're fucking coming for your little spoon.
We're coming for it.
We're fucking taking it.
Okay, we're taking little spoon.
Yeah, we got you, princess.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
But sleep quality.
And I believe that even if it is true that it's like an intimate thing sleeping together, I think the sleep quality supersedes 1% extra intimacy points.
That's understandable.
I dated a guy that was a sleep somniac.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, sleep or a sex somniac is what it was called.
Fuck.
Fuck me in his sleep, yes.
Like dead ass.
It was crazy.
And I didn't realize until like a couple weeks into the relationship after it happened a couple times where I like talked about it with him the next day.
And I was like, yeah, that was like really good last night.
I like when you did this.
And he was like, last night.
What do you mean?
I'm like, you know, we had sex.
And he was like, I do not remember a thing.
Wait, question.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
No, go.
Oh, I've heard, did he growl?
What the fuck?
No.
I've heard that they, this, the sex, sleep sex people, they growl during the growl, but I did wake up to him like slapping me like this one time.
Oh, interesting.
We have some chats come through that we're gonna let's play these.
Thank you guys.
Appreciate it.
Jack Ryan, she had donated $100 TTS.
Get him in, boys.
Lisa Trollops wanting a man to put the oil at seat down because it's gross, but out here tongue-punching fart boxes and swapping sex toys.
Give me a break, you hypocrite.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
That's not hypocritical.
I clean my sex girls.
Don't go clean their sex toys.
You want the woman to clean your pee on the toilet seat.
I think you wanted a clean.
Would you hold it?
Who would hold it?
Yeah.
I'm holding it.
Have you held it?
Yes, while he peeves.
Many times.
Yeah, that's kind of weird.
I like to draw shapes on the ground with it, too.
Don't you want to go like a heart?
Or your name in curses?
But let's see.
He does bring up a good point.
It's like, I'm the bad guy because I won't put the toilet seat.
Is it down?
Yeah, I won't put the toilet seat down, but you guys fuck men on camera for money.
And then it's like, I'm the bad guy.
Well, that's like, you don't even date OnlyFans Girls.
So, you know, I wonder if I, you know, it'd be funny.
Do they deserve that?
You know what'd be funny if I started a what's it called?
I did a, not a retreat.
Like, I should, you know, could I, should I date, like, a redeemed OF girl?
Like, she quit that shit.
Um, me first, me first.
You know what'd be funny?
I should, not that, um, like, I'm, I'm nothing special, you know, so I think most OF girls, like, most, most women in general, just despite my charming wit and charisma, uh, most, most women, well, never, not, not that keen on me, but probably the autism.
Um, but uh, I like myself.
Never Go Eye Contact 00:05:25
I should do uh, you know, I was thinking I should maybe like try to impregnate some of these like high top-tier OF girls and then get child support from them.
Like, if I impregnated, like, Sophie Rain, like, chat, should I, look, chat, obviously, she would never go for me.
She'd never go for me, right?
Um, but it would be kind of like just for the for the lore, I kind of think I should impregnate, like, a top-tier OF girl and then get her to pay me child support.
I feel like you could segue into a reality TV show.
I really think that's possible.
Like, just get a couple kids in.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Should I do that, chat?
Should I, I feel like I should.
Look, Sophie Rain, I will get you pregnant and I will collect child support from you.
Wouldn't that be a big W, though?
I've had this adversarial, you know, thing with OnlyFans Girls for years.
It's like a Romeo and Juliet.
And it's like, you know what?
Wouldn't this be like the biggest or would it be an L for me?
It might be.
It's so great for the kids.
Would it be an L for me?
I can't tell if it's a W or an L.
An L. Are you taking care of the kids at least?
I grew up a fan to get her.
Take care of the kids?
I think I'd get full custody so I can maximize the child support.
Yeah.
And like, she is kind of, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.
Good luck getting OnlyFans girls pregnant.
Our body's our job.
Your body.
I have always wondered, how do you guys not get pregnant?
Like, control.
Who here's on birth control?
I need it medically.
You're on birth control?
Yeah, but what?
I take progesterone or whatever the fuck.
Helps with my.
There's lots of pregnancies that happen even when people are on birth control.
Well, it's good because then they'd be getting abortion, so I'm glad they're on fucking birth control.
I have an IUD, so it's a 99.9%.
Perfect.
But if I got pregnant.
Your hands are a little shaky.
Yeah, you make me nervous.
Are you nervous about the business?
It's my start of a scarf.
It's just a little, a little baby.
So I'm going to go to the bathroom so she can cover up her.
My what?
Your thing.
My way.
Birthmark.
No, I'd rather.
Reese Ravich donated $100.
C3.
Oh, she's here.
I'm playing for her of two convos at the same time.
C5, Jews.
Wait, what?
Oh, who the fuck is paying for your OnlyFans?
Two combos at the same time.
C5, Jews, or Black Lives Matter people.
No, you're true.
You're triffing.
Who's buying the OnlyFans?
A lot of people, probably.
Pirates.
Probably.
I think pirates might.
Pirates.
Our autistic guys, like you said.
Yeah, probably.
No eye contact.
Reese, thank you for the TTS, man.
I do appreciate it.
We were talking about the putting the toilet seat down, separate bedrooms.
Oh, can I ask a question for you?
Sure.
Do you not like eye contact?
Wait, you're fine with eye contact, but only in bed you don't like eye contact?
Depends on the position, I guess.
Depends on the position.
I feel like it's awkward.
But like talking to the person.
Like other times, other times it's fine, but other times, I don't know.
It can depend.
It would be awkward with me.
I'm a friend.
I like some eye contact.
Just talking to people in general.
Like, I like to look people in the eyes.
Like, if she's giving head, yes.
Yes, eye contact.
During sex depends.
Are you insecure?
Am I gay?
Oh, what?
Am I insecure?
Yeah.
What do you mean?
About what?
Like, I mean, maybe because a lot of the times men might have certain insecurities and they don't want a woman to really stare and point them out.
I mean, I like sex with the lights on, so.
No, I mean, as someone that's a little bit autistic as well, my dad got diagnosed at like 50 and we're pretty suspicious.
But yeah, eye contact can be weird in a variety of circumstances because it just kind of adds another level of sometimes you feel like visibility or too much visibility or it's like can be distracting to a point.
Yeah.
And so it's less that it's like, yo, I don't want you to look me in the eyes.
But in certain occasions, like even if I'm having a hard conversation, I can't have a difficult conversation and make eye contact.
Anytime I'm talking, even on this podcast, I'm looking at the table.
Well, I'm the same way.
Like, if I'm talking, I kind of want to, I tend to look up.
I'm not always looking at somebody in the eyes when I'm speaking.
If they're speaking, I can look at them.
But I tend to, like, in order to think, I tend to need to, it's weird.
I need to, like, look up to the left or the right or something.
Have you ever like looked at a girl in the eyes and said, I love you?
Uh, yeah, like during sex or just in general, both, yeah, sure.
Like, yeah, yeah, while my hand's on her throat, just kidding.
Cold Sores and Vulnerability 00:03:33
Do you think it's because you're in a very vulnerable state?
Like, when you're having sex, like the eye contact.
I'm not, just to be clear, it's not all, it's like certain instances, it can be awkward if she's if she's looking at you, you know, it can be awkward.
It depends, though.
It depends.
Yeah, I feel like this has become Brian therapy.
Is it?
I feel like we've learned a lot about you.
We have learned a lot about you.
Yeah, I know you guys are going to use it against me now.
Let's see here.
We have.
Did we do all the tweets or was there more?
No.
Katie's tweet?
No.
It's your guys's.
Oh, no.
All right, let's.
Yeah.
Yep.
Oh.
Read it.
Liviana.
Read it.
Read it.
Really?
Yep.
I need a psychonic.
Wait, wait, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Oh, my God.
I need a bunch of men to come in my mouth, like, right now.
I'm trying to strengthen my immune system.
That's how it works, right?
I've been sick three times in the past 30 days.
Touch a toilet seat and your immune system will be stronger.
Wait, so hold on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I was getting flack for not putting the toilet seat down for my lady.
She also downplayed herpes.
Come on.
Come on.
What did you say?
Who are you to cry?
I said that you also downplayed the seriousness of herpes and said that it's pretty much fine as long as there's not an open wound.
I never said that.
No, I did not.
You said that it's not, it's only an issue if there is an open wound or an active breakout, which, yes, can be true.
But once again, when we're talking about safety and something that you have to be pretty serious about.
I said it only spreads with an active wound, which is true.
Yeah.
I never said it's not a big deal or it's not serious.
I just said it doesn't spread.
I apologize.
I'm referring to your tone.
Your tone was very kind of dismissive about it and kind of, it seemed to me that you were downplaying it.
No, I didn't mean to.
I just, there's a lot of like mis There's not a lot of education when it comes to herpes.
So a lot of people get very scared about it and spread misinformation.
And basically, I guess I'm not saying it's not a big deal, but a lot of the population has HSV-1, which is cold source.
And I do think the education is very, very important about it.
And I don't think there's enough.
And yeah, like I don't think there should be such a big stigma around it.
Do you want to tell us something?
Yeah, so it can only be spread when you have open source.
The way that HSV-1 becomes HSV-2 is when people with open sores participate in oral sex.
You can have HSV1 and 2 and be completely asymptomatic.
There's medication you can take.
It's very common.
A lot of people have it.
Do you have the herpes?
I have HSV-1, yes.
That's the oral variable?
Yeah, so it's cold sores, but I've never gotten a cold sores.
On the genitals region, have you had an outbreak?
No.
Okay.
Good talk.
Does anybody else want to disclose any sensitive health information on the whatever podcast?
Just throwing it out there.
Bowel Obstructions and Beyond 00:15:14
I get bowel obstructions.
That's why the farting happens, right?
You have to.
The bowel obstructions.
How's your fiber intake?
Is it good?
Yeah, I think it's fine.
What do you do to get that taken care of when it happens?
I have to go to the hospital.
Oh, shit.
And manual removal.
Who does she look like, Chad?
Who does Brooklyn?
Is it Brooke?
Brooklyn?
Brooklyn.
Brooklyn.
You look like Joaquin Phoenix if he was a woman and if he was, well, I'm not going to say the f***.
Dread of a compliment or is that me?
Can you pull it up?
Hey, Joaquin Phoenix, he's a good-looking guy.
No.
But you look kind of...
Chad, I mean...
Wait, is that the guy with long...
Do you...
Do you see it a little bit, Chad?
Like, she's the female version of Joaquin Phoenix.
I get told I look like Greta Thunberg a lot.
Do you see it a little bit, Chad, or no?
Maybe?
A little bit.
I kind of see who you're talking about, yeah.
Greta?
Yeah.
Here, Mary.
Google Joaquin Phoenix.
Now I gotta see that.
But you look like if Joaquin Phoenix had irritable bowel syndrome.
You look like Joaquin Phoenix if he was a woman, but if I don't know, I don't want to roast.
Holy shit.
You have like a facial structure.
Really?
Yeah, it's cool.
You look very fair.
Wait, do you have a hair and it is the deep set eyes like the strong jawline?
Bro, what do you, oh my god.
Holy shit.
Not you.
Oh my god.
She's got it.
She's got it.
Pull that shit up.
She's got it.
She's on it.
Boom.
Scroll that shit up.
Okay, he's kind of hot.
Scroll down.
Scroll down.
Yeah, I'll take that.
That's a compliment.
Scroll down.
Something's going to be a little bit more.
Do you see it?
She looks a little bit, I don't know.
Sexy.
I don't know, fucking that thing.
I don't know.
You guys know that thing?
Okay.
Here, why don't we do...
Oh, going around the table.
We played the bow video.
Would you bow for a man?
Yeah.
Yeah?
No, the guys wouldn't like it.
Would I bow for like a video or just bow for a video?
For a boyfriend or whatever?
Depends.
Switch.
Yeah, I'm a Switch.
Yeah, I'm.
Sorry, I couldn't tell.
Yeah.
It happens a lot.
Don't.
I wasn't sure where you were.
happens a lot.
Sometimes I just, just in case.
Wait, wait, yeah, wait, wait.
Can you do that?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I see it now.
I see the vision.
Now you can't tell.
That's interesting.
Is that the Dragon Ball Z tattoo?
No, it's just a dragon.
Oh, it looked like one of the... Nerd.
It looked like Shenron.
Looks like you're about to wish for your eye to be better.
Sorry, that's a good idea.
I've tried.
I've tried.
Wow, you're so Dragon Ball Z. Collect the balls.
You're kind of doing that through OnlyFans work.
A different kind of Dragon Ball Z.
Okay, all right.
I'll be here all night.
What about Liviana?
Lavinia.
Excuse me.
I would 100% bow for a man, yes.
100%.
Okay.
Your boyfriend, would you bow for your boyfriend?
Depends on what he does.
Whatever he currently does.
I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Do you think he's watching right now?
He's definitely watching.
Can you say his name, first name?
His name is Reese.
Reese.
Yeah.
Yo, Reese.
If you're watching this, Reese.
you're making pay a hundred dollars reese you you gotta um i don't know Honestly, Reese, you gotta start leaving that toilet seat up and insisting on the bow, Reese.
You've been together for two, three years.
It's time, Reese.
It's time.
Reclaim your masculinity.
Leave the fucking toilet seat up.
Assert dominance.
Leave the fucking toilet seat up, Rhys.
That's how you assert dominance.
In fact, Rhys, just to test things out, just to test the water a little bit, dribble a little bit on the seat.
Okay, dribble a little bit on the seat.
Or, well, I guess that would require leaving it down.
Well, you have to decide which one's going to happen.
I wouldn't care to clean it up, but just like having it all the time, it's a little disgusting.
But if it, there's a little pee, there's been some pee on the seat.
I've cleaned it up.
Going about my seat.
Wait, does your boyfriend piss sitting down?
No.
Like, he's just.
His aim isn't the best sometimes.
Okay, I see.
Would you bow for a man?
I'd have to like him and like respect him.
I have to like him.
Yeah.
Would you bow for Joaquin Phoenix?
Yeah.
Nice.
What about you?
Would you bow for your husband?
If he wanted me to, I would, but he wouldn't.
He would think it's silly and funny.
What about you?
Would you bow for there's very few things that I wouldn't do for the guy I'm dating.
Okay.
Valid.
There's very few things he wouldn't do for me.
Pretty reasonable group of gals here.
They all seem like they mostly do the bow, except for you.
Yeah.
You'd be funny.
Dommy.
They wouldn't like it.
I don't think I'd bow for you, though.
Vape off the table.
It's good.
You're fine.
What's that?
I don't think I'd bow for you, though.
No offense.
Just the toilet seat thing and the separate bedrooms.
What if we left the period blood all over the seat?
Women do that sometimes.
What?
Not intentionally.
No, it goes in the you guys sometimes it hits the side or gets like on the underside.
We know.
We've seen our toilet here at the studio and there's occasionally blood.
You would pull your tampon out and it slings.
Yeah.
Would you bow for a woman?
Generally, no, but if she was like so for the perfect woman, yeah, sure.
What about a leash?
Well, so I would bow under this circumstance.
No.
Let me investigate that in a moment.
So if the deal is this, Brian, you get the perfect woman.
You just have to do like a bow once per day?
Sure.
Valid.
But like, so in my mind, though, and I don't know if this is unrealistic, well, obviously perfect woman.
The perfect woman would be the richest woman alive.
She is the hottest woman alive, at least from my perspective.
Personality-wise, perfect woman alive.
Completely acquiesces to basically everything I want, so submissive.
Other factor, like all the other factors that would make her perfect, perfect looks, personality, values, et cetera, et cetera.
But I mean, even just on the money thing, okay, she's perfect, so she's insanely rich.
Okay, I don't have to work anymore.
Sure, I'll do a bow.
That's, of course.
Did you earlier state that you agree with like the more traditional roles in gender that there are?
So why would you want a woman to be the money earner and the provider for you?
Well, in this, I mean, who knows how the woman came into her wealth.
Obviously, it's a hypothetical.
In this super, in this hypothetical, if you're the wealthiest woman in the world, well, you don't need to work.
But so it's not like she's going to a woman who's a trillionaire does not have a nine to five, I guess.
So she's just somehow, I don't know, she just got gifted a fuck ton of Bitcoin, I guess.
Okay.
And she's with me and perfect.
So it'd also be like perfect to loyalty, never leaves you.
Yeah, of course.
You take the you'd make a lot.
I think a lot of people, whether they'd be willing to admit it or not, would make a lot of concessions for the perfect person.
But I mean, I'd still, in terms of the preferable dynamic, yeah, I'd want a dynamic where I'm leading in the relationship.
She's showing me deference.
She's deferring to me.
She acquiesces to me.
I'm the decision maker.
I'm the leader.
So that's the ideal dynamic I want.
But if part of that is you get all of that, but you have to do a bow, sure.
Totally arbitrary, super benign.
I would do it.
Yeah.
I'll give it, like, also, I can give a.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
I just don't, because you said what you align with more traditional values.
I don't think like having to make all the decisions is pretty traditional.
I feel like in a traditional setting, the women make a lot of the decisions as well.
I agree.
Well, so even, okay, if you're talking from a historical standard, women would make a lot of household consumer decisions and some financial decisions.
But you're saying in a traditional dynamic, the woman is making decisions as to the external, like external things outside of the household.
Like it's equal parts.
In a traditional dynamic, no.
What's a decision you make outside of the household?
I mean, it could be, okay, we're going to move here.
I have a job offer here.
Oh, you have friends here.
We're moving there.
But nowadays, it's two incomes.
So that wouldn't really just be the man's choice because you would also rely on the woman's income and job.
Well, yeah, now roles are completely inverted and completely negotiable.
And our birth rate has completely collapsed.
Men and women are completely at odds with each other.
Not to say that people aren't in good relationships, but a lot of people are high, both men and women are really dissatisfied with the current dating dynamics that exist.
So I do think it's the case a return to a more traditional dynamic, I think, would be superior to whatever the fuck we have now.
I agree.
And I feel like the big part of that is just you can't live on one income anymore.
Because if you could, then I think the dynamic of one person making the income, the other person taking care of the house and the children doesn't matter which sex, I think preferably.
But I agree with that.
It's just not possible anymore because of the financial situation.
Because if you've got an OnlyFans, well, let's be honest, we're racking up some money.
But the average person.
Shit, I could probably take care of all three of these people.
I mean, I want a household.
Especially OnlyFans.
Mommy.
I want a house husband so I can afford it, but I don't think the average person can.
Yeah, average people can't.
But that's practices, though.
This is totally different.
Well, traditional was definitely more men definitely made most of the decisions outside of that.
Well, here, I mean, here's a hot take on this.
I think even if the man's not working at all, you can still have a traditional dynamic.
But that's going to require the woman to submit regardless of the fact that she's the breadwinner.
Because I think being submissive is not strictly, it's not strictly inextricable from who the breadwinner is.
Like, you would agree with me that a woman could be obscenely wealthy, but you come across the right guy and you would be submissive to him.
I agree.
So, because I mean, I think a man can be masculine and dominant absent his money.
Now, I think it can help.
It can be a factor.
But I mean, you look at some men who Don't have money and they're still hyper-masculine.
They're still dominant men.
But I think it is a component of it, but I don't think it's completely 100% tied.
I think you can provide as a man without providing financially.
Like if a woman has a PJ, a woman has a private jet and she wants to deal with me.
Like it's my private jet.
Like it's your jet, but it's, we're on my jet, baby.
I got, I got, it's good.
These kids are cool.
So like she'll get you, like, she has a nice car, but like you're going to drive her around in it.
Yes, I'll drive the car.
I like that.
I'm going to, she can be passenger princess in her really nice car.
Brian, do you pump the gas?
Yes, I pump the gas.
I like to drive.
I'd rather drive.
She can be in the passenger seat.
I mean, look, I don't want to die.
So I don't want to die.
That's crazy.
That's fair.
Absolutely.
You know how to drive a manual vehicle?
Yep.
Actually, I do not.
Oh, wow.
I don't know.
That was my first time.
I don't know how to drive a stick.
I'll teach you.
I just learned.
Whoa, okay.
Shape.
Yeah, I mean, most cars are automatic nowadays.
I guess in the zombie apocalypse, it's like you're running away from the zombies.
Oh, quick, let's get in this car and get away.
Oh, fuck, it's a stick.
We're dead.
Sorry.
Oh, fuck.
I know my dude has to teach me how to drive his truck because, like, gosh, forbid, I have to drive a sound.
It's the sickest thing.
Dude, it's so sick.
Yeah, 100%.
It's the coolest.
It's more fun.
She's like a 1980s Toyota.
That's what I'm saying.
They're sick.
Yeah.
If a man pulled up in an automatic vehicle or like not a truck, I'd find that extremely unattractive.
You pull up in a Honda Civic, I'm going to be like, gross.
Yeah.
I think though it'd be like the, I don't know.
Look, you mentioned like house husband or whatever.
Like if a girl, I don't know, if I encountered a girl who's just obscenely wealthy, fuck it.
We're going to pump out a bunch of kids and I'm taking care of the kids.
Like, I don't know.
It's just work, this idea that work is the ultimate fulfillment in life.
Well, especially for women, that's a psyop.
But even for men, this idea that work, I can understand the drive for like building something or putting in a hard day's work.
I understand how that can be provided some degree of fulfillment.
But I think that's also even a psyop for men to a degree in the sense that, like, okay, you're going to be a wage slave for like 60 years.
You're going to break your body.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I feel like a lot of women can't don't understand what it's like to live below 50 grand sometimes.
Like, if you want to be a housewife, you got to learn how to live with one income.
You tell them you can't live off 40 grand a year.
Yeah, reducing consumption and just accepting that, like, there are sacrifices that you make.
Like, yeah, ideal world.
We could afford a nice life or same quality of life as two people.
But I also think that there's ways, if having a family is your goal, there's ways to kind of set up your life in a way that your career can be adaptable for a family.
Underground Survival Dreams 00:06:34
Like, right now, I'm doing events.
I'm doing social media.
I do photography.
I have experience in graphic design.
I do marketing for like 100 of our clubs nationwide.
And I chose this career path out of different career paths simply because it would be adaptable for me to then go freelance for me to do work from home part-time.
It's a career that allows me in the future to stay home with my kids because I want to homeschool.
And then I can, you know, contribute financially to my family.
So there's other options, but I think if you prioritize your career over your family, then like, yeah, it's not going to go.
I'm doing the same as well.
And that's like the main reason why I do OF is because I'm creating, my goal is to create generational wealth for my future family and kids.
But at what price?
Yeah.
The price of my soul.
I don't care.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, you don't care about your soul.
Come on, that's crazy.
But here's a question.
If you go to a guy's house and he has emergency rations, rations.
Am I saying that right?
Like he's got 30, he's got like a three-month supply of food, like a shit hits the fan type prepper.
Like he's a prepper.
Would you date a prepper?
Yes.
Mama's got MRE.
He's ready to go.
He's got everything.
He's got out.
Yeah, it's the sickest.
Yeah, he's effective.
Yeah, here's a question.
Who here enjoys a quality of life that, like, I don't know, if you were dating a guy and he like takes you on trips or what's there's a term for it.
I don't know if luxury would be the right word.
Who here wants that like kind of more luxurious lifestyle?
Do you now you get a pick that or you guys have a bunker?
Bunker.
But you don't get to do the luxury shit.
Which do you pick?
A bunker sounds sick.
Because I'm thinking, like, maybe the guy, he earns a good amount of money, but he can't do both.
You can't be both.
Okay, we're going to like have luxury lifestyle and have the bunker.
He only has enough to pick one.
So I think, I think you got to, I mean, if I had to make that decision for myself, I'm getting the bunker.
And we're storing, there's going to be a fucking water processing thing there for rainwater.
Well, I guess we're fucked in California.
Okay, there's going to be that.
We're going to be, I don't know what we're going to have.
Solar panels.
Yeah, underground bunker, guns, a ton of guns.
Food supplies, the last two years.
Underground bunker, though.
But we're going to live kind of a bit of a, you know, it's not going to be, you know, you're not going to drive the Lexus.
You're going to drive the Toyota.
You're not going to get bags.
It's a simple life.
You're going to buy clothes at Costco.
You don't get the, I don't know.
Chanel, what do women wear?
Prada, what is it?
What's the fucking fancy shit?
Got him right.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
You're going to buy shit at Costco, but we have the bunker.
Who takes the trade?
Do you take the trade, Brooklyn?
I'm confused by this question.
You're confused.
Like, why the bunker for like when the world ends?
I kind of want to be, I want to die when the world ends.
The what if?
No.
Like, I don't want to be alive.
Look at that.
Wait, this is a great question to ask a potential dating prospect.
I ask it of women.
Okay.
Zombie.
Zombie.
But not like slow zombie, like walking dead, where it's like, oh, okay, they're fucking like easy, unless it's like a massive horde.
It's like fast zombies.
I call it like Call of Duty.
Not gonna lie.
I fantasize about this.
You think about that shit.
I fantasize about the zombie apocalypse.
My house, there's surrounded by fields.
Do you have a moat?
I have a walk around.
You seem like you have a moat.
Yeah, and I can stand on the roof of my porch and I just walk around with a rifle.
I could see a zombie coming from miles away.
I love that for you.
You're ready.
I'm ready.
Here's the question.
Oh, what am I doing, bro?
Sorry, I'm dripping water everywhere.
Okay.
Zombie apocalypse.
Do you attempt to survive or do you just suicide?
Yeah, I'm out.
You would or wouldn't?
I would never commit suicide.
What do you do?
Zombie walks?
I would attempt to survive.
Survive?
Survive.
Survive or off yourself?
Survive.
Survive.
I always envision it.
I'm going to pull out a lawn chair.
I'm going to smoke and I'm just going to watch the world burn.
So you're just going to let yourself be too much anxiety.
Do you instinctually, though, like want to run away?
Yeah, your brain's going to want to sit there and let them eat you.
I mean, it's all hypothetical.
Would you just take yourself?
Okay, what about you?
I would try to survive, but I mean, death isn't the worst thing.
What about you?
If my family's around, I'm around.
Let's say your family's not around.
I'd love to.
Oh, no, I'd be out there just.
I'd only.
Boom, Sorry.
I agree with you.
That would be only want to survive if I could, like, do something to protect them, you know?
You'd constantly be fearing for your life.
Like, your quality of life would be so down.
Yeah.
But you're constantly running for your life.
But what if you survive and it's potentially over at one point and just dies?
You got this.
But a girl who says she would just, I think, can't dater.
Think of the pros.
Have a survival mindset.
Think of the pros.
No taxes.
True.
No work.
Yeah.
Well, you have to work anyway.
You don't have to pay taxes right now either.
I think I'd prefer to pay taxes than deal with a zombie.
I mean, yeah, but.
You don't have to deal with either right now.
We don't really have to do either.
Would you rather encounter a man?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
She's.
You know, the OnlyFans sends you a 1099, probably, I think.
Yeah.
The IRS watches.
Why, so they can send it to Israel?
No, thanks.
Chivalry Conundrum 00:15:54
Oh, my God.
All right.
Kitty, can you repeat your question?
I said, would you rather encounter a zombie or a man?
A zombie.
I could kill it.
A zombie?
Zombie.
Oh, my God.
It's like the bare question.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Ridiculous.
Yeah, I think.
Yeah, I don't know.
Kind of a red flag, though, if the girl doesn't want to survive.
Anyways, we have a chat here from Reese.
Oh, wait, what the fuck?
Reese Dravich donated $100.c2 early.c3.
Do you have 360 vision?c4 move away from my girl.c5.
Sorry, you have to sit next to whores.c6.
My HB wants you.c7.
My other HB wants you.ch.
You look too old to be here.
Dot C3 is chopped.
That's not him.
Is that him?
But he said, move away from my girl and I'm C4.
Your boyfriend's so base.
It could be someone trolling.
Is that actually your?
I think so.
Wait, is that actually Reese?
Does it sound like him?
That's his last name.
That's actually sick.
Does he watch the show?
Damn.
You date somebody like that?
Wait, does he watch?
He talks like that to women.
That's crazy.
Girl.
And you're over here trying to advocate for that.
Hey.
Yeah.
Hey.
I think it's a joke.
It's wild to me.
No, maybe, maybe it's a joke.
Maybe it's a joke.
Does he watch the show?
He is right now?
I think so.
I mean, he is right now.
No, but like.
He definitely knows the show, yeah.
Does your boyfriend call like women whores and stuff?
Besides that, never called me one.
Oh, Reese.
You might have just messed up, buddy.
Yo, W boyfriend in the chat, I guess.
I don't know.
Big L.
Okay, so let's get into.
Actually, I need to get up momentarily.
Do you want to do some of your comedy set?
Or if you guys want to pick a topic to I have a beautiful joke really quickly, I'll be back in a moment.
You know, they say that Minnesota is full of ice right now.
It's flooded with ice.
It's everywhere.
Can't go down the street without ice, you know, catching up to you.
The best I can say is, of course, there's ice in fucking Minnesota.
It's cold.
It's January.
That was really good.
Thank you.
Amazing.
You got another one, Alex?
Charlotte's got one.
Uh-uh.
How long have you been doing comedy?
Like stand-up for?
Did you just randomly get into it?
i've always been pretty much like a comedian so i was like oh this is really easy is it hard to get like gigs in terms of like oh no No.
I have a decent following on my Instagram.
It's like $250,000, something like that.
So it's just.
$250,000?
$260,000, something like that.
Wow.
Since this is a dating show.
Oh, wait, you go ahead.
Oh, I was just going to say, you have a strong stage presence.
So I feel like, like, I can imagine like dark room.
You just have a drink in your hand and you're just kind of like shooting the shit.
Like, I feel like that would go over very well.
And I definitely am like a pinpointer.
Like, oh, what do you do for a living?
Yeah.
You're very captivating.
What I can't fucking stand is a guy.
Yeah.
It's very much.
Yeah, it's fun.
I like it.
It's awesome.
Oh.
Okay, since this is a dating show, what guys do you go for?
Countrymen.
Blue-collar men.
Like physical type?
A guy with a truck.
Anything.
You said it.
Either a sticker or a truck.
You better have a fucking roll.
Country boys, same thing.
Like, there's nothing hotter than a man that does physical labor all day.
Those muscles from that, those are like they're different than the Jim Bros.
Would you still like him if he was like a twink but still did that stuff?
Probably.
I'm not going to lie.
I'm a hopeless romantic.
No twinks.
I fall in love easy, but I'd like the country boy.
And no liberals.
No liberal twinks.
Only countrymen with mullets and a truck.
Yee-haw.
And you better tell me to shut up sometimes.
Give me a little slap.
Maybe.
Maybe in the bedroom.
Yeah.
Maybe a little roughing up, you know?
Wouldn't mind that.
What about you, Charlotte?
I don't go after men anymore.
Women?
Nope.
Asexual?
Nope.
I just don't care.
Like, my job, it's so filled with it.
Like, I don't care.
So you're focusing on yourself right now?
Yeah.
Somebody that, like, I don't feel as though I'm in a relationship with, as, like, as an opposed to, like, boyfriend and girlfriend, someone that more so feels like a best friend, if that makes sense.
So looks don't matter?
They do.
But I'm more personality-based than looks.
So personality will override looks for me.
I'm low-key a chubby chaser.
Chubby chaser?
So you like Dortas except guy very much?
Like dad bods.
I like dad bods a lot.
Okay, okay.
I guess short kings, if I were to go for, like, I've never dated a guy taller than me.
I like short guys too.
It's weird.
It's really weird.
You guys have the lowest height you would go for.
So I'm six foot five six.
I've dated five six.
I don't have one.
No, no, I definitely want like six foot.
I want I want him to like tower over me.
Like look down on me.
I think that's hot.
To look up at someone.
Yeah, that's so hot to me.
I don't think like height is like a factor for me necessarily, but all the guys that I end up being attracted to are short.
Yeah, I don't want to ruin my dad's.
What short to you?
Shorter than me.
I'm 5'8 ⁇ , 5'9.
So anything below that or the same height as me, like whatever.
It's just, it's not like I go after those men.
I just find myself always attracted to them.
So it's a type, I guess.
Wait, you guys, yeah, you guys?
My type?
My husband is traditional blue-collar business owner, hard-blooded.
I bet your husband's so sexy.
Truck driving.
Does he have a mustache?
Sometimes.
My boy's got a mustache and a little bit of a mullet and gorgeous curls.
Like gorgeous, gorgeous curls.
He's very efficient and effective.
Has a lot of skills.
He was homeschooled, so he didn't have social media until he was like 22.
Didn't really start dating until he was like 24.
Super bass.
And he knows like how to do plumbing, welding, electrical work, how to fix a car.
He just kind of knows how to do everything he does woodworking.
He welded me a shell for Christmas that had like roses in the center and like two roses coming out.
And then it had a ball bearing so that I could like hang up my artwork in my room.
That's awesome.
Going off of, because you said he didn't have social media until he was 22.
Yeah.
I have a question for the ladies.
Would you date a guy that regularly posts on Instagram?
No, I need an opposite of me.
I don't care.
I love opposites.
I mean, yes.
If I was to go out and date now, I would have to date somebody in my kind of field, so yes.
But if it was like in the future, if I ever tried to actually do something serious, no.
And not just like pics with friends, like, or if it's for work, that's like, if he has business, totally understandable.
I'm talking like selfies, pose.
Well, it depends on the selfie, I guess.
Well, I mean, even like gym dudes, they post selfies all the time.
Their progress.
I don't know.
I don't mind.
As long as he doesn't engage with like other women doing it, I don't see a problem.
I think like thirst traps, like TikTok.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's a no.
Yeah, that's great.
Absolutely not.
I think it's a red flag.
Yeah, me too.
I think it's a red flag too.
I wouldn't be able to take my boyfriend seriously.
Yeah, if he's over there.
Well, and I feel like biting the lip in everything.
I feel like your own life.
If it like invades your own life where you feel like you have to like perform or like, I don't know.
If he's just taking, like, if he was just out taking pictures of nature and like posting that up, hell yeah, dude, do your thing.
That's beautiful.
Well, what if he's being paid to like post?
Yeah.
Oh, that's a job.
That's his job.
Oh, okay.
What if they're just doing it for like female attention?
Yeah, in the nicest way.
That's a big difference.
Why do you need all that validation?
Exactly.
And if there's a bunch of quotes on there, I'm going to lose my mind.
Or like if they're just like thirst trapping because they want to, like, there's no money or no following.
So that's a red flag for you guys.
Yeah.
Other red flags?
Brian?
That's a red flag.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
He's not here to defend himself.
The toilet thing, the toilet seat thing was a huge red flag.
Yeah.
Is it the fact that it's something you feel like is small that he's standing firm on, or do you, is it actually like the toilet seat itself that you have an issue with?
Something so small.
Like my love language is like doing little things that normal like people that aren't in a relationship might not think matter as much, but they really do.
Like how, I don't remember who mentioned cutting up steak.
Yeah, that would also mean so much to me.
Like it's just a little bit toilet seat thing is kind of degrading to make your girlfriend doing it on purpose.
It's a little strange if you just leave it up on purpose.
What if it's your bathroom?
I think it's very like.
But he did say it's his own bathroom.
I wouldn't have a problem if he's leaving his own bathroom, toilet seat, whatever you want to do.
Decency.
Common, like, decency.
I don't know.
I grew up with brothers, and my dad would always leave the toilet seat up.
I'll just.
Yeah.
But that you have to put it in perspective.
Like, I'm so glad that I get to put the toilet seat down because those people are still alive.
Yes, amen.
So, um, like, even if it's like socks, I'm so glad I get to fold tiny socks all day because they're alive.
So, like, I'm glad I get to do the dishes for people who are alive.
So, I mean, you can complain about the small things all day long, but at the end of the day, if you care about someone, put the fucking toilet seat down.
I get what you're saying.
Also, like, the little things do matter, and it's not just the toilet seat.
I think that's just an example of, like, little things.
Like, is he going to hold the door open for you?
I'm sure he would.
Like, like little things like that.
And I feel like that goes along with like with putting the toilet seat down, like, gentlemanly things that I feel like are very looked over.
I think that just depends on, it just goes down to the fact: are you going to be with this person or not?
You know, if not putting this toilet seat down is like a make a break, like, you can just get out of it, you know?
Of course.
If you don't want to fold on, you can just get out of it.
So, at the end of the day, it's like, it's just up to the person.
If you don't want to put the toilet seat down, it's totally optional to leave.
I just think it's absurd when no offense, Brian.
Brian wants to be treated like a king, but Brian doesn't want to give that same energy back.
That's where the problem lies with the toilet payment for everything.
He's been saying, Does the king bow to the queen?
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Behind closed doors.
Have you ever watched any of the people?
Wait, are we using the same analogy?
If we're talking about literal royalty, the queen is subservient to the king.
Do you know how much influence women have?
How would that be relevant to your analogy?
Well, with yours.
Like, the king bows down to the woman as well.
It goes both ways.
Maybe not in front of his people, but he does behind closed doors.
No, the king does not bow down to the queen.
In your world.
No, I'm actually talking about literal royalty.
But like they have influence in other ways.
Well, yeah, there's no dispute that the queen would have influence, but that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about the specific dynamic between the king and the queen.
In this instance, no, the king is not, what's the right word?
Subservient, obedient.
I don't know.
Submitting?
Not quite submitting.
Yeah, the king is the head honcho.
I think that you're viewing the reverence as being one-directional.
So in terms of like people have to bow to the queen, queen has to bow to the king, and king doesn't have to bow to anyone below him.
I think that there is a, and by that metric, then like queen and common person would be essentially in the same category of reverence owed by the king.
Does that make sense?
Like no.
Because I feel like it's like ultimately the king is at the top.
Peasants, peasants, jester.
Okay, my bad.
Queen, king.
But you were saying how the toilet seat thing, it's such a small thing.
Well, if it's such a small thing, why can't I reverse this on you and say if it's such a small thing, it shouldn't matter?
Because you were the last person to use the toilet, so put the seat down after you're done.
There is no logic.
I don't understand the actual logic of the man should put the toilet seat down for the woman.
Because logically, it doesn't make sense.
Because you care.
What's that?
But she should care to not force me to have another encumbrance on my time.
Oh, I've got to think about it.
I need to be considerate of the toilet seat.
It's like other things, like send a text if you're busy and can't reply.
Be like, hey, babe, I'm a little busy right now.
I think that's generally okay unless you're like really busy and in the middle of something.
But this shows that you can't.
I think that's yeah, but that's a bit different.
I think that's different than what we're talking about with the toilet seat.
The toilet seat is this completely arbitrary thing.
Ultimately, the thing that logically makes the most sense is whatever the state of the bathroom is, however it is, you transform that state into the state that you want it to be in.
So if I go into the bathroom and the toilet seat is down, I put it up.
If the toilet seat is up for you, you put it down.
That just makes the most sense.
I feel like we're getting hung up on the toilet seat thing when it's a bigger thing.
You brought it back up.
It's a bigger picture.
What's the bigger picture?
Tell me the bigger picture.
Chivalry is dead.
By putting it out of the womb.
Things like that.
Killed it.
The men I need are very chivalrous.
Here's my thoughts on the chivalry thing.
Chivalry is for those who are deserving of it.
Now, I'm not saying that certain people should be mistreated or abused or treated poorly, but chivalry is a step beyond.
Like you can, would you agree that you can be polite to somebody but not observe chivalry?
Like a man could be nice to you but not be chivalrous.
Like he's not, he's not insulting you.
He's not calling you names.
He's not being abusive.
He's talking to you in a respectful tone, but he's not being actively chivalrous.
Would you agree he's still being nice to you?
Absent chivalry.
Yes.
Okay.
So now, I guess my position on this chivalry thing.
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Only some women are deserving of it.
So in order to demand or, well, here's the thing.
I think even completely strumpet, modern, promiscuous women, well, not even promiscuous.
That's not related.
Well, it's sort of related.
You can still get chivalry because men know it's most effective.
It's the meta, most effective tactics available if any of you play video games.
Now, the meta in dating, regardless of how non-traditional the woman is, women still enjoy traditional treatment.
Now, from a bird's eye view, that's fucking bullshit.
But you still, even completely feminist, liberal, progressive women, a lot of them still insist on men holding up their end of the deal when it comes to traditional gender roles.
My position is, in terms of what's bird's eye view, looking down at the chessboard, what's fair, what makes sense.
Men should not be chivalrous to a woman unless she's a lady.
Now, I'm not trying to be mean.
I'm not trying to attack you guys, but the reality is, if you're a sex worker, you're not a lady.
In the dynamic, when I say that, obviously you're female.
When I say you're not a lady, you're not a lady in the fair exchange of he's a gentleman, you're a lady.
So while I understand, like, look, we got some OnlyFans girls here.
You know, I'm sure you guys get asked out by men.
I'm sure they'd be more than happy to pay for the date and open the car door and be a fucking simp and do all this shit.
Well, I'm talking about something different.
I understand you might get it and you enjoy it.
I don't think you should.
I think it's unfair to expect it given your own position.
So, by virtue of you guys being sex workers, I don't think you should expect or you deserve chivalry.
So, because we're sex workers, we deserve less.
If you could frame it that way, I suppose, but my framing would simply be: if you are like men, you need to meet this traditional standard.
It would occur to me that it'd be fair that you as the woman, and look, I think being traditional is not a binary.
I think it's a scale, you know?
So I think you don't need to be like 100% perfectly trad.
Otherwise, no, it's completely out the window.
But I think it needs to be approximate.
There needs to be an approximation of equality in the trad trade-off.
In today, 2026, you got women who are liberal, progressive, modern, feminist, boss babe, sex worker, promiscuous women.
And that's a modern standard for yourself.
However, you want men, you basically want men to be 1950s bachelors and adhere to, okay, he's got to protect me.
He's got to be willing to provide.
He's got to pay for dates.
He's got to be chivalrous.
He's got to do all these things.
What do men get?
You want women to be 1950s housewives doing.
But this is a critique of your position.
So as the sex worker, I don't believe that you're holding up your end of the traditional deal.
And so, look, I understand you probably still want it.
You can probably still get it because, again, meta, most effective tactics available.
So I think it's, can I make arguments for why I think it's like kind of bullshit to pay for the first date.
But a lot of, I advise men to do it regardless, regardless of how unfair, a fair, whatever it is, because it's the most effective tactic available.
Now, and like it's either for some women, oh, okay, you want to go 50-50, it's going to be neutral or negative.
Pay for the date, it's neutral or positive.
Most effective tactic available.
But if we're actually having an investigatory conversation about these gender dynamics between men and women, yeah, it's a fucking raw deal for a man to be chivalrous, do all these things for a woman who's a fucking it depends what factor it is, but who's a sex worker.
I'm not saying that to be mean or whatever.
I just think it's the truth.
It is.
I 100% agree.
But that's also why I don't date.
I choose not to, because I don't.
Good for you.
I honestly don't think that a man deserves that in a relationship, like genuinely.
And that's just yeah, and that's just my opinion.
If you're going to dating, like you shouldn't be doing porn.
I listen to that.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess what I said.
Yeah, obviously, like, you can feel that way.
I disagree.
I don't think just because of my job, I shouldn't be treated with respect, especially in my case where chivalry.
Chivalry.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I'm not advocating that because a woman does sex work or she's a feminist or a liberal, that she should be treated poorly or disrespected or abused.
But no chivalry.
But I don't think you deserve chivalry.
I think at least in my case, because I guess I can only give myself as an example, I feel like chivalry is the least I deserve, especially if I am planning for my future husband to provide literally everything.
Wait, you just said you want to be the one who works and you want the guy to stay at home.
Exactly.
So they can do the little things.
Like put the toilet seat down, treat me like a lady.
Chivalry doesn't really take much work.
It does.
Yes, it does.
It depends on what we're talking about, but it can.
Do you want a guy to protect you?
Of course.
Okay, question.
Generally speaking, when it comes to the gender dynamics between men and women, is there a burden or an expectation on men that the man be willing to sacrifice himself to some degree to protect the woman?
So it might not mean death necessarily, but like he would have to put himself in harm's way to protect you.
I think it goes both ways, but yeah.
Yeah, I understand that you women might have the urge to like, oh, well, I would give my life for my husband, but I think there's a difference here.
I don't think you're going to be appraised negatively by man if you're not willing to do it.
Whereas society and the individual woman you're dating, if you're not willing to protect her in certain circumstances, you're going to be negatively appraised by your girlfriend or by society or both, most likely.
Yeah, I agree.
So in this instance, if we're talking about the ultimate manifestation of trad roles or chivalry, protect, that literally entails men have to be willing to risk their life for a woman, which is pretty much a bigger sacrifice than I think anything a woman could do.
I mean, women birth children, that's a sacrifice in itself.
Yeah, there is a risk of death when it comes to mortality from childbirth, but I don't think it's the same as like actually dying.
Like some women do die, but most women don't from childbirth.
Not anymore.
And look, it's painful and it's stressful and it has an impact on your body in various ways.
And so yes, that is a sacrifice that women do.
How many kids do you have?
I don't have any.
Okay.
I mean, this argument that, okay, well, women's sacrifice to men is that they're having children.
Most women are not doing a reality.
And a men's sacrifice to women is the hypothetical he has to protect her and jump in if there's someone threatening her.
Well, that's a burden.
That is a duty that's expected.
The burden of having to have kids and risk your life.
Right, but you would, like, how many first dates are you?
Burden.
How many first dates have you been on?
It's not a burden, but the standards.
How many first dates have you been on?
A lot.
Hundreds.
No, not hundreds.
Dozens, though.
Yeah, dozens, probably.
Have you had children with any of the men who took you on the first date and they paid for the date?
No.
I mean, look, so I don't know.
This argument that, well, men should pay for dates because women have children.
It's like, well, maybe this would make sense in the 1950s when a woman maybe went on like three first dates and the third guy she went on a date with, she marries at the age of 18.
And then like, that makes sense now.
Now women are delaying marriage, childbirth until their late 20s, 30s.
By the time, like, you take your modern urban city woman and she's married and has kids, she's done, been on 100 dates and she hasn't given any of those men children.
So it's like, well, I, oh, men should pay for first dates because women have children.
But do you expect a man to jump in front of a gun on the first date with someone to protect his woman on a first date?
I'd hope he'd have a gun.
I mean, because that was the previous argument.
It wasn't paying for the first date.
It was protecting.
I mean, I don't know if the man would do it or there'd be an expectation.
I would say that there is an expectation on men if in this rare hypothetical situation you are on a first date and some shit does go down, if the man cowers in some sort of way or he doesn't rise to the occasion, assuming in this super rare situation where, I don't know, some crazy shit happens on a first date.
Yeah, the women in society will really strongly negatively appraise the man who cowered.
I personally feel like if it's the first date, then I don't think he has any obligation to protect her.
No, but I think if on a first date a woman made a determination that the guy's a pussy, there's not going to be a second date.
No, and you're right.
That's true.
Right, so there is like, even if it doesn't go down there, if there's a sense that, oh no, I saw this video, maybe it was in Costa Rica, some streamer chick or something got her streaming phone snatched, or I don't know what it was, or he had a knife or something.
I don't know what it was, but the guy did nothing and everybody clowns on the guy, who's who knows, I mean, but yeah.
Can I ask you a question?
And correct me if I'm wrong.
Was your argument or your reason that you would deserve the chivalry is because you are financially taking care of everything, and so you deserve that respect as the financial provider?
Or was it just whether you were making money or not?
I think it's in general.
I feel like it goes both ways.
And I think it's just common decency, especially while you're dating someone, to treat them with chivalry both ways.
Well, chivalry is one directional.
I mean, what you're talking about is being polite and being courteous, which absolutely I agree.
But chivalry is the expectation that men will essentially prioritize the needs of others, both with their time, with their small actions.
And it's a show of reverence for a woman.
So I'm asking, do you think that all women deserve reverence because they're just women?
Do you think you would deserve reverence because you are bringing in money?
Basically, what?
I think I deserve it because I'd be in a relationship with someone.
Okay.
Like dating them.
Well, does he deserve you not being a sex worker?
If he doesn't want me to be a sex worker, then he probably wouldn't date me.
Okay.
I guess the idea I'm forwarding here, though, is that, look, and all things are essentially, like, if you don't subscribe to, for example, a Christian worldview, ultimately all things become negotiable.
Everything's negotiable.
So you can be the most modern woman ever and be like, okay, well, I want perfect chivalry from the man.
Tradition for the man, modernity for me.
Tradition for the man, modernity for me.
I think from an outside perspective, I think that's a raw deal for the guy, but all things negotiable.
But yeah, ultimately, my position is, yeah, I don't think if you're a sex, look, if you're a sex worker, you don't deserve chivalry.
I don't know how else to put it.
Even if you say we don't deserve it, I get it anyway.
So I don't really think some of us have a problem with that.
No, and I acknowledge, I do acknowledge that.
So you can pretty much disregard basically what I'm saying.
This is just to some extent, it's purely for the sake of conversation.
I acknowledge that there's no shortage of men.
Y'all are, you know, attractive women.
That regardless of your involvement in sex work, you'll find guys to treat you to a nice dinner and pick up the tab and open the car door and be chivalrous and be dutiful, chivalrous boyfriends to you.
I think that's a really raw deal.
I've never not been courteous to someone just because I just talking about chivalry.
I think courtesy.
I'm not talking about courtesy, but go ahead.
Isn't that the opposite?
No, courtesy would be, I would say, mutual just being polite to each other.
Shillery is typically exclusively practiced by men for women.
Well, whatever the opposite is for women, I've never...
Women don't do that.
Women.
Yeah, there is nothing.
Women are the table.
I don't believe that.
But women, you're the table.
I'm the table.
Wait, oh, there's a really good meme that we can pull up.
Mary, I think it might be in the Discord.
We're going to pull it up.
Do I have it?
Yeah, it's in the memes.
Mary, it's in the resources memes in the Discord.
So for 99% of dating dynamics, so there's a, it'll probably show them all.
Do you have it?
Yeah, I'm in here.
Oh, it's just the first one?
Just show us the Discord?
I have a quick question.
One sec.
In the Discord resources tab.
Yeah.
Click on the GIF.
The gesture.
Okay, so.
Well, yeah, you can show that.
Yeah, that's it.
And then X out and then show the one above it.
Just click it.
Oh, it's kind of small.
But anyways, just X.
So I think most, this is, that's dating.
99% of dating is that.
And I'm rejecting.
I'm doing a rejection of that.
It's fucking jester.
You're a little jester for the woman.
And it's like, what?
Discord Memes Debate 00:07:48
You tell me, what does the woman do?
Sorry, the thought popped in my head.
It's just like birds.
Like, you know, the male birds have all the feathers and they do a little dance.
Like the peacock.
Yeah, they're like, mate with me.
They do a little dance.
And the women, like the female birds, they choose the birds.
And then they raise, they lay and raise the eggs and don't get with other birds.
Exactly.
I think that in return, chivalry for woman is being a lady.
And if you can't be a lady, as in us sex workers, I agree with what you said.
What defines a lady?
Do you close your legs on camera or keep them open?
I don't think that's what defines a lady.
Look, I mean, I think it would be built into.
So look, we can try to define what a lady is, but I think perhaps our starting point is if you're a sex worker, you're not that.
Sorry to break it to you again.
I'm not saying you should be mistreated.
I'm not saying you should be disrespected.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be treated nicely.
But when we're talking about certain specific gender role behavior, if you're a sex worker, you have abandoned, you have forsaken your part of the social contract.
You have forsaken the deal.
And that deal is men have certain gender roles, women have certain gender roles.
If you're not living up to yours, maybe the men shouldn't live up to theirs.
Hey, you can still get together and fuck and do whatever you want.
Is it just like an on-camera thing?
Or what about women that sleep with a bunch of people?
Yeah, that would be a forsaking of trad gender roles.
What if the OnlyFans girl was doing OnlyFans with her boyfriend?
Like, what if they did it together?
Is that different?
I mean, it's still not trad.
So then you're just getting back to we can negotiate whatever we want in our relationship as we can mutually determine we're willing to do.
Well, because you guys said the whole reason that it's not a lady isn't a sex worker is because she opens her legs.
But if she's opening it only for her boyfriend on camera.
Or if she's opening it for multiple people, a bunch of men, what's the difference?
So even if she does solo content, even if it's with a boyfriend, it's still sex work.
It's, I think, ought to be disqualifying.
So it's just the sex work period.
That outrules.
Well, there's other things that can.
So a woman could not be a sex worker, but behave in other ways that ought to disqualify her from chivalry.
Okay.
And does that apply to the men as well?
Women don't do chivalry.
So this specific, I don't understand the question.
Is a man still a considerable gentleman.
Well, there should be an expectation on.
So if you're a man and you're fucking degenerate and you're You have no path in life.
You have no vision.
You're meandering through life aimlessly.
You have no assertiveness.
You have no leadership.
You're perhaps an alcoholic.
You're a drug addict.
You play video games all day to an obsessive degree, to an unhealthy degree.
I'm not saying, like, if you play video games in moderation, it's fine.
It can be okay.
Although a lot of women have an issue with the video game thing, but that's a separate convo.
Then I think it might be a bit unfair to a woman who, like, for example, a guy who's a fuckboy.
I don't think he's deserving of a trad woman.
A woman who's playing a bunch of, or excuse me, a man who's playing a bunch of chicks, running through chicks, and then he wants the, let's say, good girl, the virgin.
I mean, I think that that's a raw deal for the girl.
Now, she may or may not choose to be with him, but that's a separate conversation.
That's the majority of the case nowadays, honestly.
Not majority of them.
Let's be honest.
Both a lot of men, perhaps even a higher proportion of women, are not holding up their end of the deal.
So, yeah.
It's about integrity, protecting your image and protecting your partner's image.
Just like before I came on this podcast, I mean, nobody really knows who I am.
I'm not a social media person.
But I talked to my boyfriend and said, Hey, are you comfortable with me saying this, this, and this?
Anytime I go out and speak publicly or behave in any way at all, I'm representing not only myself, but my partner.
Just like he wouldn't go and do crazy stuff that would make me look bad because when you do come together, you're coming together as one entity, as one front.
I will respect his image and everything and be protective of that.
So that's part of what it is.
And it's also just, yeah, it comes down to kind of having integrity and respecting the intimacy of your relationship.
And unfortunately, there's a lot of drama when it comes to having sex online.
Like it's not really fair for a majority of dudes, unless they're the rare ones that are into it or they are willing to accept it because of the other benefits that they may get.
They don't want a bunch of other men having seen their woman's bits.
Like that's just that's not good for a man.
So I think it's just more about being realistic in what your expectations are.
And if you're saying that you want a traditional man, you want a strong man, you want a more dominant man, but you want to make the money and you want him to have no problem with how you make the money.
That's your, you want a bitch.
Like, you don't want an actual real man.
You want a bitch.
I completely disagree.
I don't think they're bitches at all.
You got to say that because they pay you.
You bully, you bully men and you stomp on them or whatever.
Like you do stomp on their marbles or something.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you're definitely a bitch, but definitely you're a bitch.
But wait, did was that your boyfriend?
I don't know if you, when you went back there, did you text your boyfriend or no?
Oh, I went to the bathroom.
I didn't even.
Oh, you didn't check your phone?
Okay.
Because there's another one that came through, but I think it's a troll.
I think so.
And it's a little intense.
Do I play it?
Do it.
This is this podcast.
I think this is the best podcast to play that in.
Maybe.
I don't know if I can.
It might be.
Yo, Reese, I'm very sorry.
I think your message is TOS.
I think it's probably maybe somebody posing.
I don't know.
Whatever.
I don't.
I really don't.
I don't think your boyfriend's given hundreds of dollars to it.
Really?
But that's his last name.
They don't know his last.
How do they know his last name?
Unless there's someone that knows your boyfriend and knows you and is trolling the both of you guys, which, especially with how hard he's going, if that's not behavior that he usually exhibits, I doubt that this would be the time he decides to display it.