Whatever Podcast - RAGE QUIT CRASH OUT?! She REJECTED 3 Billionaires?! Hater DEBATES Brian?! E-GIRLS!

Oct. 20, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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RAGE QUIT CRASH OUT?! She REJECTED 3 Billionaires?! Hater DEBATES Brian?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #265

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	Welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	Ooh, wow, completely scuffed.
	What?
	Who it is the fuck is that?
	What is that?
	I'm sorry.
	It's me.
	I'm sorry.
	I had to mute it, but I didn't have that.
	Grid, the stream is...
	We have the stream right in front of you.
	Why are you watching it on your fucking phone?
	By the way, guys, Grid 1's in the studio.
	I'm controlling the chat.
	I'm sorry.
	He's literally watching.
	Grid One is watching the stream on his phone.
	When he literally, he has the, we've got the computer monitors, he sees.
	He sees us in 4K live.
	Okay.
	That's the fucking 50-day money!
	Oh, my goodness.
	What the fuck wants that shit?
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	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from, and education.
	Go ahead.
	My name is Soph.
	I'm 19.
	I'm a seasonal stagehan and traveler, and I'm originally from South Florida.
	All right.
	And any education?
	Are you going to college?
	Yeah, I recently graduated for a trade school for audio engineering called Conservatory Recording Arts and Sciences in Phoenix, Arizona.
	And you're a musician, right?
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	What kind of music do you do?
	Really anything.
	Recently, I've been experimenting more with ambient drum and bass, but I like to branch out into whatever I can.
	Okay.
	Like recently, I just kind of.
	Do you sing?
	Yes.
	Can I sing?
	No, but I do it anyways.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	And you also do urban climbing, urban exploration?
	You call it that, yeah.
	Well, do you do Urbax?
	It's called Urbax, right?
	Yeah, so it would be Urbax for sure.
	But you mostly do climbing, right?
	Yeah, that's my thing.
	So whether it's like the side of a boulder, I really like going up.
	You know, South Florida doesn't really have any mountains.
	So did you email us the video you took earlier today?
	No, I didn't.
	I'm sorry, man.
	Well, maybe, like, not now, but when you get up, you can email it to us and we'll show the stream.
	But Nick, we do have a video of some of her climbing in the Discord.
	It's actually quite impressive.
	So, Nick, it's going to be in the hmm.
	Where did I put it?
	Where did I put it?
	Oh, I think it was behind the scenes tab.
	Yeah, the first one.
	You'll click the first video, make it full screen.
	And you sent us some voice notes too.
	Here's what I did.
	Pause it.
	I created a montage of some of your climbing, and I overlaid the voice note that you sent to me.
	Oh, God, this is a good thing.
	So it's going to be very.
	Let's pull it up.
	Got politics.
	Trust, trust, trust.
	I know I'm not that like womanly, but you said you're casting girls.
	And I'd be girling.
	I'm pretty dude-ish.
	Pretty dude-ish.
	But I got tits in the pussy.
	Makes me a woman.
	Type shit.
	You know what I mean?
	Type state.
	Type shit.
	Type shit.
	I literally fly out.
	Like, I'm in Florida right now, but I literally fly out just to ramble.
	Ramble tower.
	Talk about towers and shit.
	Or whatever the fuck y'all talk about.
	Oh, God.
	On the whatever podcast.
	My fault.
	This is all jokes.
	My fault.
	But if you want me, I'll fly out.
	No joke.
	Just for fun.
	Fuck you, why not?
	The only payment I ask is that you let me climb on the roof of your facility.
	Can I still do it?
	And I'll take a video from the roof.
	We'll talk after this.
	And promote the whatever podcast.
	Got it.
	No balls, you won't get an urban climber on your podcast.
	No balls?
	No balls, I don't even know what no balls.
	But yeah, I don't know what it is that y'all laugh about.
	I just saw one of your videos.
	Y'all talk about dudes and things.
	I don't know.
	I got a boyfriend.
	He's pretty dope.
	I don't think he's allowed on the podcast, but if he can come.
	He's great, dude.
	I love my boyfriend.
	Shout out, my boyfriend.
	Shout out my boyfriend.
	I don't even know what I'm saying.
	You're not going to respond, but if you want to respond, you want to get probably one of the most androgynous people you've gotten on the podcast.
	Shout out.
	That's 19 and from South Florida and was living out of her car for two years and climbs big ass towers.
	Oh, God.
	Hell yeah.
	Count me in, bro.
	I'll fly out just for it.
	I saw that you got a Kybra on there.
	Shout out, my girl.
	I'll be down.
	You can stop it.
	All right, we get the idea.
	We get the idea.
	That's cool, though.
	How long have you been doing urban climbing for?
	I mean, not that, not that long.
	I mean, when I was young, I would always just be scaling palm trees and climbing, you know, Public's rooftops.
	You kidding me?
	Oh, God.
	Sorry.
	Hearing my own voice, like, scares me.
	But it hasn't been too long.
	I mean, it's only been like a couple years.
	But it's not, I'd say, my niche, but it's accidentally what got this whole algorithm thing started up.
	I was just like a small town ranch girl in rural Colorado until, what was it, late May?
	And then I made one little video.
	And then next thing I know, a couple months later, boom, 200K.
	Boom, I'm in LA.
	It's weird.
	I'm not used to it.
	That's why I don't really know how to act put on like a persona.
	I'm just me on voice memo and right here, you know.
	What's the tallest structure you've ever climbed?
	I think tallest.
	Well, there was a 500-foot that I topped out with my friend that was somewhere in Pennsylvania.
	There might have been, I might have hit like a bridge in Germany that was a little taller.
	Ooh, I cannot do the conversion right now, but I did hit a 100-meter windmill with my friends.
	They took me up.
	Are there girls that, like other girls that do this?
	Because I feel like it's mostly guys who are urban climbing stuff.
	It is mostly dudes.
	Is there a fear response in you when you do that stuff?
	Not anymore.
	I mean, like, you're 500 feet up, no harness, right?
	You don't hook into anything.
	Not really.
	You're climbing some tower that's sometimes not even meant to be climbed, right?
	It's just bars, you know, but it's not like a ladder.
	No fear.
	Well, I mean, there is the automatic amygdala response of like, yo, don't fall.
	You probably will die.
	But there not is the looking down and getting.
	When you look down.
	In place of it, there's just like an adrenaline rush.
	Like even me, if I watch like a, have you done any free solo stuff?
	A little bit.
	When I was out in Colorado, I was, you know, driving from stage gig to stage gig, and there would be some, you know, cliffsides, and I'll be like, I don't really have a harness.
	I'll just, I'll just free solo it.
	Like, would you ever, what, what's his name?
	Alex Honold or whatever?
	You know who that is?
	Yes, yes.
	I don't know if I said his name right.
	Like he free soloed L Cap.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Would you ever do that?
	If, okay, I would need training.
	Or you're not like a rock climber.
	I want to be, but I've never really had much rocks growing up.
	You know, it's probably a different skill set.
	It is, yeah, because I guess urban climbing is very mechanical.
	It's just like peg, for like a good half hour.
	I feel probably for rock climbing, the grip is a bit more because the bars, it's just whatever.
	Yeah, it's mechanic, exactly.
	But like, I would love to truly get into rock climbing and free soloing and just send something crazy.
	Because even for me, though, watching those videos, like my hands get all clammy just even watching it.
	So I can't even imagine doing it.
	Have you ever slipped and fell?
	Knock on wood, sorry, that's a Slav thing.
	Slavs say tutu when they say knock on wood.
	But knock on wood, no, not yet.
	Hope I don't, you know, life is worth it.
	And you're from Florida.
	Yes.
	Born and raised.
	Yes.
	So you're Florida woman.
	You know how there's Florida man?
	You're like Florida woman.
	Yes.
	She knows.
	You're also from Florida.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, that's cool.
	All right.
	So, oh, one quick thing, guys.
	I forgot to mention this during the intro for the merch stuff.
	If you guys do buy something, it comes through Streamlabs.
	So we can actually see when you buy something.
	So we just had a couple purchases there.
	Jasmine, thank you.
	I don't know why these didn't come.
	It's shop.whatever.com.
	So we'll shout you guys out.
	Veroxies.
	Sounds like a House of the Dragon dragon name or something.
	We'll give you guys shout-outs if you guys get something at the merch shop.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Shay.
	I am from San Diego.
	I am currently a UCSB student.
	I am going to be doing PoliSci major with a minor in math.
	And then what was the other question?
	Are you a freshman year, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And you said you're studying PoliSci with a minor in math?
	Okay.
	What do you want to do after college?
	Politics or lawyer?
	We will see.
	I don't think I want to go into law, but I'm just so interested in it.
	I also am kind of considering sociology, though.
	So we'll see.
	Okay, changing your major.
	Yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And so no idea what you want to do.
	Not even a suspicion or hint.
	Maybe like something with sales.
	Sales.
	I was kind of thinking about like medical device sales.
	Obviously, that is so different than my major.
	So we definitely have to see.
	But I feel like interacting with people is something that I really want to do.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	My name is Mahi.
	I'm from the Chicago suburbs, and I'm also a UCSB student.
	And I'm 18.
	And my major is psyched and brain.
	Psych and brain.
	What do you want to do with that?
	I want to get a PhD in clinical psychology.
	Okay.
	You want to be a psychologist, psychiatrist?
	Clinical psychologist.
	Psychologist.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And sorry, you said you're from where again?
	The Chicago suburbs.
	Chicago.
	Okay.
	Chirac?
	Sorry.
	Chicago suburbs.
	Okay.
	Like born and raised or?
	I was born in North Carolina, but you spent most of my life in like Illinois.
	Spent most of your time in Illinois.
	Yeah.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hey, my name's Bree.
	I'm originally from Los Angeles, born and raised in the San Fernando Valley.
	Okay.
	I have been a matchmakers/slash dating coach for the last five plus years, taking a break now to care for my mom who's sick with stage four cancer.
	Sorry to hear that.
	Thank you.
	Age?
	My age?
	I just turned 36.
	36, gotcha.
	Yeah.
	This month, the 5th.
	And any college education?
	I studied communications.
	Yeah.
	Got a bachelor's?
	No.
	Sorry, which college?
	I went to Pierce.
	Pierce?
	Yeah.
	Pierce.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Where's that?
	Where's Cliver?
	In the San Fernando Valley.
	Okay, gotcha.
	In Woodland Hills.
	Okay, so you got your bachelor's.
	Like you completed.
	Okay, dropped out?
	I dropped out.
	I had a child at 20, almost 21.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And let's see.
	So your kid is 16?
	15.
	15.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And matchmaker.
	I'll dive into the matchmaker stuff once we get, well, a little later on in the show.
	What about you?
	My name's Hannah.
	I'm 26.
	I'm from San Diego, and I studied entrepreneurship and architecture at NYU.
	And I kind of used my degree.
	I went to go to business school, and now I work at a fintech startup doing operations.
	Gotcha.
	So you live, are you living in California?
	I live in San Diego.
	San Diego.
	And you're from New York, did you say?
	San Diego.
	Oh, yeah.
	I went to NYU.
	Okay, there's my confusion.
	And so you got your degree in entrepreneurship and architecture.
	And architecture.
	Yeah, I went to a weird school.
	It was Gallatin.
	So you sort of take your interests and merge them together into a degree.
	Mainly went there for business school.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	I'm Bella.
	I'm from Los Angeles, also the San Fernando Valley.
	I go to Santa Barbara Community College and I'm studying communications.
	First year, second year?
	Second year.
	And so are you 18, 19?
	I'm 19.
	19.
	Gotcha.
	Studying Calm.
	Do you have a sense of what you want to do for work?
	Are you going to transfer to a tag to UCSB?
	Go to UCSB.
	Continue with Calm?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And then from there, do you have ideas of what you'd like your career to be?
	No, I'm very much like a people person, so obviously Calms is a good major for that, and we're going from there.
	Okay, cool.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Kennedy.
	I'm 20, and I study communications in Santa Barbara at SPCC, and I own a clothing line.
	All right.
	And you said you study Calm?
	Yeah, communications.
	Gotcha.
	And where are you from?
	I'm from Dana Point, California.
	Dana Point, California.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	I'm Karina.
	I'm 33.
	I just turned 33 last week, this past week.
	Happy birthday.
	Yeah, I'm a repossession agent from South Florida.
	I've been doing that for five years.
	I recently got saved, so I'm a newborn, born-again Christian as of a year and a half ago.
	So I do a lot of ministry work via social media and online coaching.
	All right.
	How long?
	You said you've been doing repo for five years?
	Yes.
	And you're repoing cars.
	Do you repo other stuff?
	Just cars.
	Just cars.
	So you have like a tow truck?
	Yeah.
	And how quick can you like?
	What's the process for repo?
	How does that work?
	Well, so we use an application on our phone and they give us accounts and we run these accounts to try and locate the vehicle.
	And if the vehicle is there, we hook it and book it.
	Hook it and book it.
	Yeah.
	And so like you just back your truck or whatever into the thing, you slide the thing under.
	Yes.
	And so what, gone in 60 seconds, basically?
	Yes.
	Have you ever had any altercations?
	I've had a few.
	I had a bouncer come out with a gun.
	I had a whole family lock me in their driveway.
	Like I hooked up to the car and they closed the gate on me.
	So yeah, that was interesting.
	Did you carry?
	No.
	Not at this company.
	Oh, okay.
	Because I feel like it can be kind of a dangerous job, you know?
	How did you get off?
	Yeah, what did you do when you got locked in?
	Well, the daughter swung on me a few times, but the brother kept blocking it.
	So every time she would lift her arm to swing, the brother would hold her back.
	So it was fine.
	In those kinds of situations, I tend to get a little bit snarky because, you know, yeah, so I didn't really help the matters or make them good at all.
	But I did.
	I did, I did get out eventually.
	The father opened the gate for me.
	Yeah.
	So.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	And do you get a commission?
	How does that work?
	I'm paid salary here.
	Yeah.
	At this company.
	At the other company I used to work for, it was a commission per car.
	All right, cool.
	Well, welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What's your current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And longest relationship, starting with you?
	I'm currently taking.
	I love my boyfriend.
	He's dope.
	And my longest relationship, about three months.
	So is that your current boyfriend?
	We're actually pretty new.
	Oh, how long have you been seeing your current boyfriend?
	About a month.
	One month?
	We met each other at a show back when I was in Florida.
	It was like deep in Miami.
	And he was visiting in from Pennsylvania.
	And he was with all his friends.
	And he's like, oh, we're just driving in for the show.
	And I was opening.
	I was opening for this emo band called I Set My Friends on Fire.
	And they were like, you just want to come with us?
	I'm like, yes, please get me out of Florida.
	So I joined them on the road trip.
	And then from that day up until when I flew out to LA, we were literally jointed at the hit for like the past month.
	Shout out.
	He's flying in like on Wednesday.
	I love you, ladies.
	Sorry.
	All right, cool.
	Does he also do the urban climbing stuff?
	Not as much as I do.
	So our first day, I did take him on a tower, but it wasn't really that high up.
	It was only like 100, 100 feet.
	Wait, was that his first time?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Did you tell, you told him what you were going to do, right?
	Yes.
	Like, imagine showing up to a date with a girl and she's like, all right, we're climbing this shit.
	It was literally first day.
	Actually, our first kiss was on that road trip up somewhere in like North Carolina.
	And it was at a hole.
	Wow.
	So romantic.
	Just climbing the tower.
	Oh.
	We kissed that little bandit.
	Wait, question for you.
	Let's say he showed up to the date, right?
	I know you told him what you're doing, but he shows up.
	He sees it.
	He sees the thing he's about to climb.
	and he's like, eh, you know, I'm not really, I'm not going to do it.
	Are you, is it deal breaker?
	No, no, not at all.
	What if he's like, he's like, I'm scared?
	He says, you're fine?
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	Okay.
	Of course.
	No, it's totally understandable.
	It wouldn't be like...
	It's not a deal breaker.
	A deal breaker for me is like intellect.
	Like, if you cannot intellectually keep up with whatever conversation I got going on, if something I'm rambling about is quote unquote too deep, that's my deal breaker.
	But if you don't want to join me on whatever risk-taking bullshit I do, dude, understandable.
	Protect your life, you know?
	Makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I have been in a relationship for six months at this point.
	And my longest relationship was like one and a half, two years.
	All right.
	So the current relationship, six months.
	Does he also go to UCSB?
	No.
	Is it long distance?
	Yes, it's long distance.
	Wait, remind me, you're from.
	San Diego.
	Is he in San Diego?
	Yes.
	Where is he, though?
	Right now, he's a senior in high school.
	So he's graduating next year.
	Over here.
	And then NYU is where he's trying to go.
	I see.
	Okay.
	So you guys went to the same high school?
	Sorry?
	Go for it.
	Sorry?
	You guys went to the same high school then?
	We met at work.
	Hell yeah.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	And so he's 18 or yes.
	Okay.
	But he's just a grade below you.
	Okay.
	We're like the same age.
	Gotcha.
	And wait, hold on.
	So, okay, he's in San Diego.
	Yeah.
	Are you planning to like go back to visit him?
	I visited him actually two weeks ago and that was really nice.
	We went out, we went to like some restaurants.
	That was super fun.
	We actually went rock climbing.
	No way.
	Yeah.
	Let's go.
	But it was an indoor one.
	We don't do all that risky stuff.
	Still, though, it's hard.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you think that the fact that you guys, you know, I wouldn't even say it's long distance.
	I would say it's medium.
	Medium for sure.
	You're in a medium distance relationship.
	You think it's going to present any complications or issues for you guys?
	It has a little bit, but I feel like our communication is really strong.
	So we just talk through our problems.
	We have like little date nights every once in a while where we just like call, watch a movie or play video games.
	And that has been, it's honestly been really good so far.
	I can see this definitely improving our relationship.
	Improving the relationship?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	We have a chat coming in here from Adzils.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Adzils donated $200.
	Yo, thank you.
	Hey, Brian, your favorite Brit is back.
	Give me a salute fine, sir.
	Hashtag free felicity, hashtag Brian ICFite, hashtag Michael Jackson is king.
	Amen.
	Adzils, appreciate it.
	Thank you, man.
	Michael Jackson is king.
	Sure.
	Michael Jackson is king.
	You're a really big Michael Jackson fan.
	By the way, I think I've shared this a few times before on the show.
	When I was young, I actually went to, don't worry, nothing happened.
	Went to Neverland Ranch when I was like 10.
	And I met Michael and he was chill.
	He was cool.
	Nothing weird, you know.
	Got a bunch of free food.
	Neverland Ranch.
	Oh, yeah, the hard.
	Yeah.
	So, W. Michael Jackson, or R.I.P. Anyways, good talk.
	Relationship status for you?
	I'm currently in a relationship of a little over two years.
	Two years, okay.
	And longest relationship, I'm assuming.
	Okay.
	And you guys met in high school?
	Yeah, we met junior year.
	High school sweethearts.
	Does he go to UCSB?
	No, he's back in Illinois.
	He's at Urbana-Champaign, UIU.
	He's in Chicago, kind of.
	Oh, no, Urbana-Champaign.
	So that's not.
	Different part of Illinois.
	And so long distance then.
	So it's been, wait, you're first year, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you just moved here.
	Okay.
	Any issues with the long distance?
	A little bit, but we were used to being like five minutes apart.
	So like going from that to like long distance, obviously there'd be complications, but honestly, it's been going pretty well.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And are you guys planning to try to see each other?
	Like he comes here, you go there.
	Or are you guys going to kind of more so wait maybe till the holidays?
	Like, I don't know if you're planning to go home.
	Yeah, the next one is going to be Thanksgiving because he's also a biomedical engineering.
	So it's kind of hard for him to come visit and like ignore school for a long time.
	But I know in May for sure he'll come visit because he gets out earlier since UCSB is on a quarter system.
	So he'll come for like the one.
	Yeah, I want to see what's saying.
	That's why I want to like do long distance because he's like halfway across the country.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Funny you ask.
	It's a little complicated at the moment.
	Tell us.
	Been with my current partner for over five years.
	We got engaged actually in New Zealand this February.
	But I'm not wearing my ring at the moment.
	Taking a little bit of space.
	Yeah.
	Just to, I don't know, reassess, I guess.
	And I have bigger fish to fry, honestly.
	So.
	What do you mean, bigger fish to fry?
	Like, as far as my personal life is concerned, romantic love isn't at the forefront of my mind at the moment.
	So, so just taking a little space, I mean, yeah.
	But five plus years, not my longest relationship.
	My only other relationship has been with my son's father for seven and a half years.
	And those are the two relationships I've had.
	Were you ever married?
	Never married.
	Okay.
	But definitely planned to be.
	Really quick, just on your son's father.
	Yeah.
	Are you guys co-parenting?
	We are now.
	Yeah.
	It took us a really long time to get there, but we are now.
	Okay.
	Does he pay you child support?
	No, he doesn't.
	Do you pay him child support?
	No, I don't.
	Okay.
	Has this been litigated in the court or has it been handled informally?
	Informally.
	It's a long story, but yeah, no, it's just not worth it, too.
	Okay.
	And you said you were 19 when you got pregnant?
	Technically.
	And then you had your kid when you were 20.
	So he was also young?
	Correct.
	He was 24, and I was, I think, 18, 19.
	So not too big of an age difference.
	My current partner is 18 years older than me.
	So quite a bit of a 53.
	Okay.
	And you're 36.
	It's complicated, though.
	How long has it been complicated?
	And how long have you not been wearing your ring?
	It's been complicated for a bit.
	He has a child from a previous marriage.
	He's been previously married.
	I have not been married, but, you know, long-term relationship.
	And I also have a kid.
	So it's been really hard to do the blended family for us.
	So that's been quite a challenge, I would say.
	Among other things.
	And among other things.
	So you said you took the ring off because you guys are or were engaged.
	Yeah, I mean, technically.
	So how long have you had the ring off?
	Recently, like a few days ago.
	A few days ago?
	But this is not the first time I've taken it off, so.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Not the first time you've taken it off.
	No, it isn't.
	What is there specific reason you guys are fighting?
	Yeah.
	Things are just clashing, you know?
	And I would say that I don't feel like he necessarily knows how to provide certain things that I've very vocally tried to, you know, get him to provide.
	As far as like emotional support goes, things like that.
	Because like I said, my life is at a pretty rocky moment.
	And yeah, and he just doesn't get it.
	He doesn't get it?
	He doesn't get it.
	There is also a cultural difference.
	So he's Bulgarian.
	So he's from Bulgaria.
	So they're, yeah, it's a...
	What's the difference?
	Um...
	I think he was just raised very differently.
	How so?
	I have a way more traditional understanding of love and relationships based on my personal life experience with my parents, my grandparents, etc.
	He also has his own kind of version of that, and it's just very different.
	And it's not necessarily wrong, it's just different.
	And so we sort of clash in that way.
	Just a reminder for everyone, please don't read the chats as they come on the screen.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So You say he's not providing, you say he's not providing okay, yeah, emotional support.
	What does that mean?
	You know, it's so funny.
	I think a lot of guys don't necessarily know what that means.
	It really just means to be present, like present, present, like emotionally present.
	Not just there's a there's a very distinct difference between being physically present and actually being emotionally present and saying, Hey, I recognize and acknowledge, you know, what you're going through in your life.
	You know, my mom is very sick, you know, very sick.
	And, you know, my son is also having some of his own personal issues as well.
	Teenager.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Difficult periods.
	Totally, totally.
	So I just really require a certain level of support, and that's what I mean by that.
	And I'm just not receiving it at the moment.
	And I'm at an age where, I mean, I don't have my biological clock ticking because, once again, I already have a child, so I'm okay with not having any more children.
	But marriage is impaired.
	Like that, that is very important for me.
	And so we've been together for long enough where I feel like it's either you do or you don't.
	And that's that.
	Oh, so he's.
	You guys have been.
	How long have you guys been engaged?
	Since February of this year.
	Oh, okay.
	So wait.
	Are you saying that he's not wanting to pull the trigger on the actual marriage?
	Correct.
	Okay.
	And he's not providing you the emotional support that you need at this moment.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	We'll come back to that a little later, but what about you?
	I'm currently single.
	My longest relationship was five, maybe five and a half years.
	Yeah, and it was just my honestly high school boyfriend, and he was not great.
	So sorry, you've been single how long?
	Since maybe three years ago, yeah.
	Single for three years, gotcha.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	The five-year relationship?
	I broke up with him.
	Broke up with him?
	Was it ever on again, off again, or was it pretty much?
	It was on again, off again.
	How many times?
	I don't know, maybe five or six.
	And in each of those instances, was it always you ending it?
	No, it was the other times it was him mostly.
	And I think part of it.
	All the other times.
	Except for the final one.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Why would he break up with you?
	I think part of it was maybe emotional manipulation, honestly.
	And I had him.
	I didn't manipulate him.
	No, he didn't.
	Oh, sorry.
	Did I get that in reverse?
	I think I was very attached, and we met when I was very young.
	And I was looking for marriage and kids and family.
	I took steps towards that, and I just felt that he didn't over that time.
	And you don't have any kids?
	No.
	No.
	So he also didn't want that?
	Yeah, he was just honestly abusive and cheated on me in the end.
	Cheating.
	You said you met him when you were very young.
	Was he about the same age as you?
	He was four years older.
	So I was still 17 and he was 21.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	This is in California, right?
	Yeah.
	Because you're from California.
	I'm pretty sure that might have been a crime.
	I know there's like Romeo and Juliet, but I don't even think California has that.
	California does not have that.
	Not in California yet.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	A little, so you were a junior in high school?
	Yeah, I was a junior in high school, and I was selling weed on college.
	No, city college.
	So, I took college classes since I was 15 and a half because my school didn't have AP classes.
	I went to sort of a charter school that worked like a college.
	You go in twice a week, get your homework, and I supplemented that with college courses at night.
	Okay, a little bit of a yikes there with he was 21 when you were 17.
	A little bit of a yikes.
	A bit of a yikes, I guess.
	Okay, and you said he was abusive.
	Um, may I ask how so?
	Uh, emotionally, verbally, physically, physically, yeah, it got that way.
	All right, uh, was that reciprocated?
	Um, honestly, at the beginning, yes, but to me, at that time, I would consider it more so like fighting back.
	Like, I would yell back at him, and then I sort of got to a point where I grew a lot, and I stopped doing that, but he sort of continued with what he was doing.
	So, you know, he treated me badly, and I ended the relationship.
	Gotcha.
	Um, any police intervention at all where police ever called for because you said it got physical a few times, so yeah, no, okay.
	Um, and then you've been single for three years, anything in that time period, like a situationship or um, not a situationship.
	I was in one other relationship during that time, so I've had two boyfriends.
	Okay, um, when did that end?
	That was last year, around this time.
	How long had you been dating this other guy?
	Uh, maybe like three months, three months, okay, not very long, yeah, not very long.
	But you guys did call each other boyfriend, girlfriend, yeah.
	Okay, I did.
	So, you've been and you said earlier this year?
	Uh, last year at this time, so a year ago, yeah, okay.
	So, you've been we could say you've been single for one year instead of three.
	Any besides this three-month guy, has there been anything long or just him?
	Um, I sort of have gone on dates and seen maybe one other guy, but not really a boyfriend.
	All right, gotcha.
	But you, you've been dating, and are you on any dating apps currently?
	I used to be, but I sort of had a bad experience with that, and I guess ended like my time on the apps.
	Fair enough.
	Did you put that in the notes?
	Yeah, I did.
	I'll get to that later.
	Okay, cool.
	All right, so single for one year, three years-ish.
	And I had another question on this, but maybe he'll come to me later.
	What about you?
	I've been single for all 19 years of my life.
	All 19 years?
	Girl blossoms.
	Yeah, I'm mad about it.
	Keep it that way.
	Have you had a situationship?
	I mean, of course.
	Never like an official boyfriend.
	No.
	What's the longest period of time?
	I guess, regardless of how you would categorize it, longest period of time, you've seen a guy.
	Yeah, so I was exclusive to a guy that I lived with in a co-ed house for about six months.
	Six months.
	Okay.
	But not boyfriend, girlfriends.
	No.
	And when you say you were exclusive to him, are you saying it was one-directional?
	No, it was, I mean, I'd hope it was both directions, though I don't know for sure.
	Well, did you guys ever have like any overt conversation?
	Like, yeah, I mean, they were definitely seeing each other people.
	Yeah, I mean, we know that.
	We both knew that we didn't want to be like sleeping with other people because it's just like our personal preference.
	So that's what we did, but there were no labels or anything.
	Okay, got it.
	And besides the six-month, any other kind of situationship?
	Two-month, three-month, one-month?
	I mean, yeah, maybe a few weeks at most.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And with there's has there been a couple of these few week ones?
	Yeah, I'd say two.
	Three, two, three.
	Okay.
	And they last, what, two, three weeks?
	Yeah.
	And then is it you lose interest, they lose interest, mutual?
	I mean, one was they lost interest, and the other one was I lost interest in the fact that they wanted other people, you know, all the time.
	Sure.
	The six-month one, who ended that?
	I'd say it was mutual.
	We both were going to the same school, and that's why it was exclusive.
	But he lives in Utah, so during the summer, it kind of got hard.
	I went to see him in Utah, and it all kind of like collapsed there.
	Wait, was the six-month one?
	Was this here in Santa Barbara?
	Yes.
	Okay, I see.
	All right.
	Any guys in the picture currently?
	No.
	Nobody.
	Not even texting.
	No.
	Sneaking.
	Nothing.
	No, not at all.
	Okay.
	And then for you, since you're also single, any guy in the picture right now?
	Not right now.
	Nothing.
	Not even a little flirtation, not a, you know, nothing.
	The guy you nothing?
	No.
	They're married to the bag.
	I'd rather be single than just date someone I'm not going to marry.
	Pretty much.
	What about you?
	I'm single for all my life, so 20 years.
	All my life.
	Okay.
	Longest anything.
	I've never been in a situation.
	Nothing.
	Okay.
	Wait.
	Like a week?
	No.
	Not a week?
	Have you been on a date?
	No.
	Have you held hands with a guy?
	Also married to the bag.
	For a first kiss?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	First kiss.
	Okay.
	Like hookups, anything like that?
	Yeah, I mean.
	Here and there.
	Yeah, I mean, college.
	No.
	College stuff.
	But no boyfriend, no.
	No boyfriend, no situationship.
	Okay.
	With the hookups, have you ever like, is it just like a one-time thing or one?
	One-time thing?
	I've never done a two-for-one deal?
	No.
	That doesn't even make sense.
	What's the one that you get?
	So it's a one and done.
	So you're like a little player, you know?
	Like, you're breaking these guys' hearts.
	Like, they're all trying to wife you up, and you're like, nah, I'm good.
	I wouldn't say that.
	Okay.
	I think, you know, kind of what she said, there's been opportunities for people to, or men to take me out, but I just realistically, like, realistically, I don't think it would, those options would have worked.
	Are these guys for the streets?
	Is that what you're telling me right now?
	We're dealing with college boys, so not everyone is.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And what about you?
	I'm single.
	All right.
	How long have you been single?
	A year and a half.
	Any guys in the picture currently?
	No.
	All right.
	A year and a half, longest relationship?
	Two years.
	Two years.
	Who broke up with who?
	Me.
	All right.
	Any ever married?
	No.
	Any kids?
	No.
	All right.
	And you're, I think in your notes, if I recall correctly, you're celibate.
	Yes.
	You've been celibate for a year and a half?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Since my salvation.
	That's a year and a half ago.
	Tell us the story on that really quick.
	So you like something about it in your notes.
	You went to hell.
	Yes.
	Tell us that story if you can.
	Okay.
	The long version or the short one?
	Short one?
	Give me one sec.
	I'm going to let this chat come through.
	Adzil's donated $200.
	Good man, not a bad word on the king.
	I was worried.
	I thought I'd have to come to Santa Barbara to stomp on your dumpy.
	All jokes aside, all is well, Brian.
	Great run of shows recently.
	Yo, Adzils.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	What do you guys think?
	Yo, Adzils, you want me to ask the.
	Do you guys like, I don't know what he's got some obsession with Michael Jackson, the king of pop.
	Do you guys like Michael MJ?
	Hell yeah.
	You guys like Michael Michael Jackson?
	Oh, Adzils knows what's like.
	Does anybody know how to moon?
	No.
	Wait, what's it called?
	Moon Dance?
	Moonwalk.
	No, exactly.
	Anyone know how to moonwalk?
	Wait.
	I can toast it.
	No dancers here?
	No.
	Oh, no.
	I can throw it out.
	Okay.
	Like, I can slam dance, but moonwalking.
	No.
	All right.
	Sorry, Adzils.
	I was going to see if anybody can bust a moonwalk for you.
	Yo, Gene, thank you for the looks like you bought some merch here.
	And then Raid knows Brooke.
	Brooke, thank you for the t-shirt purchase.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead with your story.
	Okay, so essentially, I was on drugs.
	I did a lot of cocaine for two months of my life last year.
	One night I just did way too much and I actually died and I got sent to hell.
	All I can say to describe what hell was for me, because I do believe that hell is going to be different based on everyone's life here on earth and the way that they sinned and their weaknesses and everything.
	But for me, it was a dark, black abyss of nothingness.
	Demons were laughing all around me.
	I was being tortured.
	It was like I was being held down and I couldn't move.
	It was just a whole blackness away from consciousness.
	It was consciousness away from God is basically what I would describe it as.
	And while I was down there being tortured, it felt like forever.
	Don't really know how long it was.
	God's voice came in through the darkness and said, You can wake up now.
	And when he spoke, the demons started to tremble.
	Just like in the Bible, it says demons shake at the sound of his voice, right?
	So they started to tremble, and I woke up on my bathroom floor.
	I still thought I was dead.
	I walked around the house completely, like, didn't even know what was going on.
	And then when I got back to the bathroom, I looked into the mirror.
	I saw blood on my face.
	I must have like cracked my face.
	I have a scar actually.
	I must have cracked my face open on the counter when I went out and fell down.
	But the blood is how I realized I was still alive.
	Damn.
	Yeah.
	So you OD'd, basically.
	Yes.
	Damn.
	Crazy.
	Yes.
	So you're.
	Were you religious before that?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	But then you found God.
	You found a Christian.
	What denomination?
	I'd like to say more of a charismatic Christian.
	What is that?
	I don't know what that is.
	Is that a denomination?
	Well, so basically, it's just we're very into the miracle working power of Jesus and the Holy Spirit and you know, deliverance, healing, speaking in tongues.
	Do you know how to speak in tongues?
	I mean, it's a gift of the Holy Spirit.
	But you have the gift.
	Yes.
	Can we get a demonstration?
	Can I ask something?
	Is it hold on?
	Hold on.
	Can we get a demonstration?
	Ah, you're going to put me on the spot like that.
	Go ahead.
	Bars. Bars.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I totally understood everything you just said.
	So you can interpret the tongue.
	I'm an interpreter.
	I interpret.
	I'm an interpreter.
	Do you have a question?
	Oh, I just wanted to know if it was similar, the charismatic Christian to like Foursquare or like Pentecostal, because I was like, that's how I grew up as well.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	And do you consider yourself, so you're born again?
	Yeah.
	Were you ever?
	Do you have to be Christian first to become born again?
	I don't know.
	You're born again?
	Are you born again Christian?
	Is that what it's like?
	Born again is just you're dying to your old self and you're reborn with Christ.
	You could be a Christian before and then be born again.
	I see.
	Are you a born-again virgin?
	I had no religious background prior.
	No, but like, are you now?
	Are you a born-again virgin?
	Oh, well.
	Is that how that works?
	I don't know.
	I mean, I get nothing.
	You've been celebrating.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	Yes.
	Waiting until marriage.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Gotcha.
	Now, it doesn't like wipe away everything that I've done, which is what?
	Which, you know.
	Well, I have my OnlyFans.
	You used to do OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	But you stopped a year and a half ago?
	No.
	When did you stop?
	So it took me a few months after becoming a Christian to actually shut down the page.
	It wasn't like a change like that.
	And then just curious, nobody else here does OF.
	OnlyFans?
	Any sex work stuff?
	Okay, so nobody here.
	I mean, you.
	I'm just going to say, don't do it.
	I can be your role model.
	You did in the past, but you don't do it anymore.
	So nobody here does any of that stuff.
	Okay, cool.
	Sweet.
	Nobody on the panel does OF.
	All right, rock and roll.
	So that's everybody's relationship status.
	We're going to dive right into the show here.
	Let's see.
	Where do we begin?
	The matchmaking stuff.
	I want to touch on that.
	How did I know?
	I want to touch on that.
	So I think we've had one or two matchmakers on the show before.
	You said you've been doing matchmaking for five years, is it?
	Yes.
	And you work with quite a variety of clientele.
	Most of your male.
	Is it primarily men or it's predominantly men, yes?
	It is.
	We do have some female clients as well.
	And so basically, somebody comes to you, hey, dating apps suck, dating sucks.
	Help me out, basically.
	You know, it's rather be set up.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	Okay, I'm just finding your notes here.
	And you're also a dating coach, too.
	So you're a professional matchmaker and a dating coach.
	Yes.
	I mean, my first, actually, wait, before I get into that, you actually know, we'll just dive in.
	If somebody tells me they're a matchmaker and a dating coach, the question that it always begets is, why aren't you married?
	I know you're engaged.
	That's a valid question.
	Honestly, I just had a really unconventional start.
	Like I said, I met the father of my son very young.
	I actually did not date in high school.
	I was a professional.
	I was pursuing professional modeling.
	I was kind of getting my career going.
	And then lo and behold, I met my now ex and it was kind of a whirlwind to be honest.
	And I was young.
	I was 18, 19 years old.
	You know, what do you know at that age?
	I don't know anything.
	Like, honestly.
	No, but like, honestly, you're just like ignorant.
	And I would say that I was raised in like a very extremely sheltered household.
	Like my, excuse me, my dad was, you know, the breadwinner.
	My mom basically oversaw everything else.
	And she is Latin, so she was very like present, but almost suffocatingly so.
	So I didn't Puerto Rican, correct?
	Dominican, Puerto Rican.
	Yeah, both.
	Both.
	Same thing with Eastern European parents.
	They're suffocating.
	Yeah.
	They're right at you.
	My mom's Romanian, Moldovan.
	I mean, God, God love her.
	And I know she meant like super well by it.
	But, you know, when you're raised in like an extremely sheltered household, a lot of times you tend to rebel.
	And that's kind of what I did.
	And so I met like the probably worst candidate of a person for me.
	And like I said, it was like this whirlwind.
	And yeah, I met him through my best friend at the time who I had known since kindergarten.
	She was like, yeah, she was like a sister to me.
	Yeah.
	And then the rest is history.
	So that's why I'm not married.
	I just, I was young and dumb, honestly.
	Okay.
	You also in your notes, you say you've turned down a handful of billionaires and very, very wealthy, high-level executives.
	You say some of them are very down-to-earth and act like regular people.
	Money and power only changes people.
	If you allow it to, and it certainly doesn't equate to happiness or having an easier time, finding love.
	You say some of your clients want and try to date you.
	You're flattered.
	That's normal.
	But you've always kept things professional, never crossed that boundary.
	Never.
	On the billionaires, though, so you, when you say you've turned down a handful of billionaires and they're very wealthy, high-level executives, you're talking as clients or you're talking as men who are interested in you?
	Both.
	Both, okay.
	Both, yeah.
	Really quick, though.
	So from the client angle, just why would you turn someone down?
	Are they like they smell bad or something?
	No, not at all.
	No, honestly, most of the clients that I've worked with have actually been a pleasure to work with for the most part.
	Of course, you always have, you know, the stragglers.
	There's always the exceptions to the rule.
	But to be honest, I've had really, really good relationships with my clients.
	It's just ethics as far as I go.
	I just don't ethically.
	Oh, no, when I say like you've turned down a client, not for dating, but as your client, you turn them down.
	No, no, I don't want to work with you.
	That's what I mean.
	I keep them as clients.
	I just.
	I see.
	Okay, so moving.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Moving off of the clients, then just purely romantically, not even clients, you've turned down a handful of billionaires.
	I wouldn't say actually there's been at least two, and then there have been extremely high-level executives for like billion-dollar industries that I have also turned down.
	Yes, I have.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Yeah.
	You turned down a billionaire.
	I swear, yeah, I have the proof.
	Yeah, I have.
	Shit.
	Yeah.
	I feel like I would.
	Like, what?
	Why?
	You know, just that, you know, wasn't feeling it.
	It's not.
	I would, if a girl billionaire was like hitting me up, you know, I'd probably feel it.
	I'd say go for it.
	I'd probably feel it, you know.
	Although there are all the female billionaires are a bit on the older side, you know?
	I guess the male billionaires are too.
	For me, it's not about money, status, power.
	It's not.
	No, it's honestly not.
	No, I really, I really truly care about like how, like, how the person is, like, their values, their morals, like where they come from, how they grew up.
	Can we have, you know, long, intimate conversations, things like that.
	Like, I gen, and I care about looks as well, I'm not going to lie.
	Looks important.
	Looks are very important to me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Assuming they're a good person, let's say they're a billionaire.
	They're a good person.
	Yeah.
	But you don't, like, they're not abusive.
	They're not going to mistreat you.
	Yeah.
	But you mentioned you want to have those long, deep, deep convos.
	Yeah.
	What if everything else about them, I'm not saying they're perfect, but they're good.
	Okay.
	But you can't have long, deep convos with them.
	But they're a billionaire.
	Do you take the trade?
	It really depends on the person.
	Good person, but you're never going to have some deep philosophical convo.
	Can I tell you something?
	Sure.
	My current partner, I don't have deep philosophical conversations.
	Oh, okay.
	Is he a billionaire?
	He's not.
	Oh, well, shit.
	Okay, then there you go.
	Okay, so to be clear then, if you can't have those, you would date a billionaire.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah, I would.
	Because I know some people say...
	Yeah, no, I would make the trade.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I'd do that trade.
	I'm literally currently experiencing it.
	Dating a female billionaire, but...
	Although he's not a billionaire.
	Although, truth be told, even if she worked at Chick-fil-A and there was a lack of capacity for really deep convos, I think I'd be okay.
	I think I'd be fine.
	But all right.
	So how does that go when you turn down a billionaire?
	Is it on their private jet or in- No, no.
	Where do you typically turn them down?
	Literally via text or.
	You know, I just politely decline.
	I'm never, I'm never disrespectful.
	I always maintain a level of respect and professionalism.
	I mean, that's very important in anything you do.
	But ultimately, yeah, you just have to sort of set the line and the boundary, and that's that.
	And my partner knows all about those.
	Just have to.
	Wait, question.
	The billionaires that you did reject.
	Yeah.
	Were they like terrible people?
	No, not at all.
	They were chill.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And they were like trying to like date you for real?
	For realsies?
	I swear, yes.
	No, no, I believe you.
	I'm just saying they were, okay.
	Yes.
	And you turned down a billionaire?
	There's like...
	Yes.
	That's rare, though.
	I can show you that.
	That's like. Yeah. Yeah.
	You marry a billionaire.
	No, because it's not...
	It's like thousand-year dynasty levels of wealth, you know?
	When you think...
	Never have to work.
	Can I say something?
	When you think of billionaire, you think of, oh my God, this person has Boku money and Boku this and Boku that and clout, etc.
	And they do a lot of the times, obviously.
	They're a billionaire.
	However, that doesn't necessarily equate, and I think a lot of people get this wrong, but just because you have wealth and affluence and influence doesn't necessarily equate to being generous, being, you know, wanting to share that with somebody.
	And for me, you know, like you're in it together, you know?
	So.
	Wait, so you've been on dates with billionaires and they're trying to split the check or?
	Um W. That's such a power move.
	Like imagine being a billionaire.
	Not with the check.
	No, no, never that.
	But the one that I'm specifically referring to now with you literally was like, oh yeah.
	You know, I don't, what did he say?
	He was like, I'll help you with your business, but like, that's as far as it goes.
	So like he wanted to maintain like a very distinct line between like.
	So he wasn't interested in marriage?
	No, and he wasn't interested in marriage.
	And that was like the deal breaker of all deal breakers.
	I think generosity has nothing to do with how much is in your bank account.
	I think it truly comes from the spirit because when I had no money to spend to buy flowers for my partner, I literally went down the street and handpicked my favorite bouquets and gave it to him.
	And the same exact thing goes.
	I don't think your status financially has anything to do with your heart and your innate sense of generosity.
	Then again, what do I?
	That's absolutely.
	Thank you, man.
	No, only fans.
	They love Michael, can't complain.
	Kind of cool chair for is a dating coach.
	Would have been cool to see Jiquan here since he's one too.
	Yeah, we'll get him back soon.
	Thank you, Adzils.
	Appreciate the TTS.
	By the way, I totally agree with you.
	Absolutely.
	On the money.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No pun intended.
	Pun intended.
	The pun was intended.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so but I mean, like.
	You look perplexed.
	Are you sure they weren't just like trying to do something casual?
	Potenti, you know, honestly, potentially.
	I'm not going to say that that wasn't the case.
	I mean, I was propositioned as a person that they literally asked if they could date me.
	So I don't think it was necessarily casual.
	However, however, I made the specification that marriage was an extremely important factor, non-negotiable for me.
	And then they very transparently said that that wasn't on the table for them.
	So, I mean, everything was super transparent and open.
	Yeah.
	And how many, you said a handful of billionaires.
	So was it two, three, four, five?
	Less than four, more than two?
	Okay.
	So three.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Give or take.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Turn down.
	I'm trying to think what kind of trade-off.
	You know what?
	This is a good segue.
	Opening it up to the rest of the panel here.
	I know a lot of you are currently in college.
	I'm sure most of you have career ambitions of some sort of or the other.
	Assuming this billionaire is a good person, but you know, I don't want to maximize all the potential traits.
	So good person, treats you well.
	You know, maybe nobody's perfect, but he's a billionaire.
	And you like him.
	He likes you.
	You guys are dating, whatever.
	Here's the trade-off, though.
	You get to be with a billionaire.
	You get to marry a billionaire.
	But he says, I don't want you.
	I know some of you are first year, second year in school.
	He wants you to drop out of school.
	And he doesn't want you to work.
	He's rich.
	You don't need to work, right?
	But you're going to go work from some corporation, make 70K.
	So essentially, I'll offer you like the trad life dream.
	A little closer to the mic if you're speaking, please, but yes.
	Got you.
	So if you have hobbies, you can still do them, but you can't like, I don't know, if you're in music, you can't pursue it as a career.
	You can do it as a hobby, but no career, no college, marry a billionaire.
	Do you take the trade?
	Hell no.
	Hell no?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	So I can't monetize anything.
	I mean, why, though?
	He's a billionaire.
	He's a billionaire.
	My hobbies include turning my lifestyle into businesses, honestly.
	Yeah, I actually have a couple different ones.
	Well, what do you mean their lifestyle?
	So I own a classic car and I turn that into a car rental business where I rent out my car and other people's classic cars around San Diego.
	Oh, yeah, that shit.
	I mean, you can collect, you can have your own private collection of amazing cars, and assuming you're dating a billionaire, every single car you could possibly ever want, you could possess, but no, you can't rent out.
	Why do you want fucking random people farting in your car, sitting in your car?
	Just for photo shoots, and it's like their special moment in their life.
	Like, it's fun.
	It's there's other people who do that.
	Yeah, they can see somebody else, but not you.
	Do you take the trade?
	No.
	Don't take the trade?
	Wait, hold on, really quick.
	What are some of the other lifestyle things?
	Is it just that?
	I sell vintage clothing onto mine.
	So you go thrift shopping and I just enjoy making businesses out of things.
	Like, I had a shopping addiction, honestly, when I was younger, and I turned that into a clothing business for now cash flows.
	So if I buy things and you know, don't use them anymore, I turn it into cash.
	Are you on Dehawks?
	Deepop.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	No.
	I wouldn't take it.
	What about you?
	I would say no.
	Well, don't take the trade.
	What about you?
	Do you take the trade?
	Is he a follower of Jesus on the narrow path to eternal life?
	Matt.
	He's Christian.
	Is he Christian, like following or just believing?
	Wait, here, speak, try to be straight with the mind.
	He's equally yoked.
	Oh.
	I like that you have that terminology.
	So yes?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so yes.
	Yes.
	The rest of you know.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	Okay, so why?
	Starting with.
	Well, actually, we'll go this direction.
	Why?
	I don't feel comfortable having someone hold me back that much.
	If I enjoy making money, it excites me more than spending money, honestly.
	So if that's the only thing they can offer is their money and kindness, then that just wouldn't do it for me if my partner is holding me back.
	Well, I suppose they would offer you some of the other positive traits that you would desire in a person.
	Right.
	But the trade-off is just you can't work.
	I personally enjoy working, and I do.
	Do you have a job currently?
	I own a clothing brand.
	So I've been handmaking clothes since I was 14, and I've been selling them online ever since.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You said no?
	I said no because not even with holding someone back from working.
	I'd love not to work ever again.
	It's more of the power of like the fact he could change his mind or find something better and then I'm just stuck.
	Well, let's assume: does it change anything if you, in the hypothetical, you know, he stays with you?
	Does that change anything?
	Possibly.
	Yes.
	Possibly.
	Yeah.
	If I know that it's going to be a forever thing, then let's say it's even five years.
	Even five years.
	Yeah, I'd do it for you.
	That's a lot of money you're going to get in the.
	What's that?
	I do it for five years.
	She'd actually prefer five years because she can get the money.
	And then I'll go back.
	She can do whatever she wants.
	No, so I guess then the hypothetical would have to grant you he stays with you forever, but you stay with him forever.
	So it's not like no loophole where, well, okay, I divorce him in five years and then I get to do my career in college and all that stuff.
	If it's for infinity, infinity, I'll say yeah.
	You do it.
	You take the trade.
	Okay, I see.
	The concern there was the cutoff.
	Why?
	You said no, why not?
	I think no, because it's kind of a part of my personality, honestly.
	Renting out cars?
	Not just cars, but I just love business.
	I love working.
	I think it's enjoyable.
	It's part of your idea.
	That's something I'd want to do, but I would honestly take, yeah, a five-year break or like 10-year break to raise kids or something like that.
	But I enjoy it.
	Okay.
	And I think he would be supportive of that.
	What about you?
	I really want to work.
	Like, that's something I see for myself, like, doing it most of my life.
	And I think it'll be like fun and I want to help people.
	And you said you wanted to be a psychologist?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Want to work?
	What about you?
	I want to build a life for myself.
	I want, I love learning.
	So if I didn't have college, then I would just be stuck.
	And I think that building your own career is so rewarding.
	And being successful enough to support yourself and support those you love is so important to me.
	But assuming in this situation, in the hypothetical, you would stay with this person for your whole life, wouldn't you be able to manifest these things through the wealth of your husband?
	I want to build it myself.
	I don't need someone else doing that for me.
	Wait, what do you want to do for work again?
	You said sales.
	I'm.
	You said medical device sales.
	I am also, I'm like on the fence.
	I don't know exactly what I want to do.
	I know I want to help people.
	Does that require a lot of traveling or can you stay local?
	It depends where you, it depends where you're at.
	Like if you're in a major city, maybe like LA, you could maybe stay local.
	Yeah, but there's probably traveling medical device sales people.
	Right.
	Do you think that like when you're 60 or 70, 80, whatever, you're on your deathbed.
	You think you're going to look back at life and be like, man, that one time I sold that MRI machine, that was the pinnacle of fulfillment.
	It's like, I sold that fucking MRI machine and I, you know, he gave me this rebuttal and then I, he raised this objection and I countered it with my sales tactics.
	It's not just that though.
	What is it?
	What is the ultimate fulfillment of medical device sales?
	Okay, so someone I know who's in medical device sales, she works for a company that takes placentas to use them as arm grafts.
	Like that is, it's a life-saving thing.
	And being able to bring that into other hospitals to help people who don't have access to that like currently, I think is so important.
	And obviously not just, you know, the placentas, there's other technology.
	But I think expanding on that and furthering that is really important.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	See, don't get me wrong.
	I understand that historically there always have been divine masculine and feminine roles that naturally we fall into.
	And maybe us being at our young age and also having like a Gen Z mindset of hyper independence, the girl boss mentality, I don't think that's fundamentally wrong because I think we all should embody that.
	But I think it also should be a role of a man.
	And I can say this firsthand.
	For example, the first time I ever had a door held open for me, I resisted it.
	This is with my current partner.
	I was like, stop, bro.
	Let me be like a hyper-independent, strong woman in peace.
	I think it is part of a man's job to break that.
	Now, I agree with all these people.
	I want to build a life for myself.
	And I don't like being given things without working for them.
	I don't think autonomy should be assigned a gender.
	You know what I mean?
	But then again, when I'm 80 years old and I got my cottage in the middle of like rural Colorado with the love of my life and we're tending the goats, hell yeah, I'll take care of my grandkids.
	He can go work the fields.
	I'm going to go milk the goat.
	But I like the idea of harmony.
	I don't think this is necessarily so black and white.
	Like I need to be entirely, isn't that the point of a relationship?
	Unity and harmony?
	Like I said, I might be too young, but my ideal life would be building a business with somebody, pursuing a creative endeavor or a financial endeavor with somebody.
	In my case, it'd be traveling the world or pursuing something that we aspire together as one.
	Now for you.
	Just really quick.
	Oh, we got food for everybody.
	Anybody not want pizza?
	And is anybody like vegetarian?
	Thank you.
	You want pizza?
	Yeah, I do.
	Everybody pizza?
	Thumbs up, thumbs up?
	Yeah.
	Good.
	You're good.
	Chair five, no pizza, please.
	Okay.
	So my follow-up question is this.
	So most of you won't trade your college, career, educational ambitions for a billionaire.
	What about this, though?
	Would if, hypothetically, we presented to you a scenario, new hypothetical.
	Okay.
	You get to work, you get to have a job, but it changes a little bit.
	You have to drop out of somebody, I don't know, some eccentric, I don't know, the owners of Walmart, really eccentric, right?
	Not actually, I don't know, but the owner of Walmart is super eccentric, approaches you and just really likes you for some reason.
	And they say, I want you to drop out of college, forget your career plans, but I'll pay you $1 million per year.
	That's a lot.
	Honestly, I'd be surprised if, no offense.
	I'd be surprised even if at your peak, any of you ever even end up making a million dollars in here.
	No offense.
	Don't take it the wrong way.
	All he wants you to do is be a door greeter.
	You just greet people at the door.
	Welcome to Walmart.
	You get paid a million dollars a year.
	You can't quit after five years.
	Oh, I've made five mil.
	I'm going to retire.
	No, you got to work until retirement.
	All right, you know what?
	We can even, you work till you're 50.
	I don't know, whatever.
	50, retirement.
	They pay you a million dollars a year.
	Over the course of your, you know, you'll make 30, 40 M. You can pursue any kind of romantic relationship you want.
	And you get to work.
	You're working.
	Do you take that trade?
	To be honest, I'm sorry.
	I still know.
	And that's not because of my relationship ideals.
	It's because of fundamentally who I am.
	If I am a door greeter for five years of my life, disregarding the whole man thing, I consistently crave change, adaptability, adventure.
	And naturally I fall into like, I'd fall into a crazy depression.
	Screw the million dollars.
	Average 40-hour work week.
	So it's like you can still climb towers and shit on the weekends, after work, before.
	It's not like, you know, you get breaks and shit.
	It would time you down locationally.
	No, I think it's all.
	I think it's optional.
	You know, maybe if it's somebody that I'm deeply intertwined with, I would, my stance would be a maybe.
	I think it's a lot more specific than you could build your own tower and climb that shit with a mil a year, but okay.
	Do you take the trade?
	We go to different Walmarts.
	Different Walmarts?
	Yeah.
	You can work at the Walmart in Hawaii if you want to.
	You can work at whatever Walmart in the country you want.
	I mean, maybe you can't move every two weeks, but if you want to move, you can move.
	Oh, yeah, you guys can eat.
	Feel free.
	I need a good slice.
	Fine, I'll break the seal, bro.
	Just try not to.
	Yeah, try not to be a little far back.
	Do you take the trade?
	Honestly, probably.
	You take the trade.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Why is that?
	Because it's, well, okay, it's not given.
	I'm not getting it for free, it's not just, I'm working on it.
	Obviously, it's not worth a million dollars to be a door greeter.
	Yeah, it's like maybe 30, 40K a year in reality.
	So you're kind of kind of getting it.
	Getting a real good deal.
	But you said you'd do it.
	You said you take it because you're earning the money.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you take the deal.
	What about you?
	You take the deal?
	No.
	Don't take the deal.
	Does it change if we up the price?
	10 mil?
	No, not the price.
	Doesn't matter.
	10 mil?
	No.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Why?
	Like, I'm genuinely really interested in psychology and I want to do that.
	Like, I want to help people.
	I have a pitch for you.
	You can psychoanalyze the people as they come into Walmart.
	A lot of characters in Walmart.
	You know, here's my couch.
	Sit down.
	You can do some Freud shit.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	You said you took the husband, so.
	Do you take the deal?
	Oh, man.
	Maybe.
	Do you take the deal?
	The Walmart deal?
	I don't think so.
	You can't do your little car thing, your clothes thing.
	I don't think so.
	To me, it's more about the freedom of choice.
	It's the autonomy.
	Well, you still get to work, though.
	Is the work fulfilling or not?
	Matters, I think.
	I mean, you get to smile at people and be pleasant, but not super fulfilling, I would say.
	What if you're just really bad at greeting people or don't want to be on your feet all the time?
	I don't know if you have an RBS.
	Show us your normal.
	I can't because you're making me laugh now.
	Okay.
	But yes, I do have RBS.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you don't take the trade.
	Don't take the trade.
	A million dollars a year is a good thing.
	Curious, you do have your own business.
	How much do you make per year currently?
	Maybe like 80 to 100.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	And then like at your peak of your career, I guess, what do you think you'll be earning?
	Over six figures?
	100k?
	I'm guessing, well, I work at a startup right now.
	You have stock options or?
	Yeah, I have equity.
	Equity, okay.
	So if that does well, I will do well.
	Okay.
	So, but no, you don't take the trade.
	No.
	What about you?
	Do you take the hard page?
	I took the husband.
	Oh, wait.
	Did after the pastor?
	I see.
	Okay.
	Question though.
	Between the husband and this new thing, which of the two do you prefer?
	I'd still take the husband.
	Still take the husband.
	And then for you, still take the husband?
	Absolutely.
	The billionaire?
	Okay, what about you?
	I think yes.
	You take the $1 million greeter job at I wouldn't take it because since I do have my own business and I do feel confident that I will work hard enough to do well, hopefully I'll be making more than a million a year.
	And you know, but I also think the job, like she said, could be pretty boring.
	Question: How much do you make currently?
	Currently, as a student?
	Well, you're active in your business with your clothes, your clothing brand.
	How much do you make currently?
	I would say about seven to ten currently.
	A year?
	Per month, monthly.
	You make seven to ten thousand per month?
	Yes.
	Okay, so you make six figures.
	Oh, that's pretty good.
	You're 20, right?
	Yes.
	Okay, that's pretty good.
	How long have you been doing the business?
	I started on a selling platform like Shopify?
	No, like Depop.
	Me too.
	Yeah, my freshman year of high school, so I was 14.
	That's where I got the ball rolling.
	And then I created my own website.
	Wait, question though.
	Clarification.
	Profit or revenue?
	The $7 to $10K, is that revenue?
	Profit because I hand make all my clothing.
	So my profit margins are pretty good.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, but your calculus here is you plan to go on to make a lot of money with your business.
	So you think you'll actually out-earn this Walmart $1 million a year greeter gig.
	What if we boost it, though?
	Let's just say, you know, maybe, okay, you do go on to be very successful and you make a mil or more a year with your clothing brand.
	Let's boost it to 10 mil a year at Walmart.
	Do you take it then?
	I would absolutely take that deal.
	Oh, you take the deal then?
	Okay.
	I think, yeah.
	She takes it then.
	I would take that deal.
	Okay.
	So here's my confusion with all of you guys.
	Not all of you, but some of you.
	Some of you take the 1 million a year greeter job, which requires you to kick it in the Walmart for 40 hours a week.
	But you won't marry.
	And you have to give up all the other stuff too, right?
	You'll give up college, give up your career, preferred career for the Walmart greeter $1 million a year gig.
	But you like, I don't know, do we need to type out how much a billion is?
	There's like really good videos on how much a billion is.
	I don't know if we can.
	That's a lot.
	Nick, I'm going to see if I can find a video.
	I think it's hard to conceptualize.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, fuck.
	I have to do a few things.
	Don't mind if I interject, but why are we placing so much stress on finance and money?
	A billion versus a million when it comes to your lifestyle.
	It depends what your dream lifestyle is.
	Hold on, a billion versus a million.
	It's a lot.
	Don't get me wrong.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But at the end of the day, you might think a million is a lot, but like probably, I mean, if you're really frugal, that could, it'll set you up really well.
	But after a certain point, your lifestyle can only get so good.
	Oh, hold on.
	But okay, million, that's like you're going to buy a fucking condo in Southern California and you're still going to have to have the job.
	You're still going to have to work till you're retired, even if you get a million dollar windfall.
	Now you can invest it and blah, blah, blah.
	But a billion, you're good.
	Yeah.
	You're fucking good.
	You don't have to worry about money for the rest of your life.
	The only reason I say this is because I'm so sorry.
	Some people crave lifestyles that require higher wealth.
	You know, obviously, I've just recently seen some of these Beverly Hills mansions.
	Yeah, they cost a lot.
	I've just dropped into California.
	It costs a lot.
	But the reason that I have the answers that I do are not because of any feminist basis or any hyper-independent basis.
	And don't get me wrong.
	I am feminist.
	I think we all are.
	I think we go Boston over here, but it's just on a matter of the panel on that one.
	It's, I mean, that's for you to open up.
	That's not my.
	But at least my standpoint is, sorry, I just crave a simple life, and the life I crave does not require a billion dollars.
	It truly doesn't.
	So I don't put so much emphasis on a man's financial status or how much I'm making.
	As long as I'm making enough to lead a life that makes me and my long-term partner happy, that's truly all I care about.
	So that's more traditional than I guess you're letting us to believe because it's down to the fundamentals.
	I just want a simple, happy life.
	And I don't think that there's so much stress on money, money, money.
	It's like, come on, bro.
	Is this like a dating podcast?
	Let's talk about love, man.
	Well, I mean, it's interesting you bring that up.
	Although, if we look at divorces, the primary thing cited to for the reason for divorce is financial issues in the relationship.
	So this idea that finances are completely separated from relationships are ridiculous.
	Even feminist, liberal women frequently want men to be providers despite their claims of desiring equality.
	In fact, we can go around the table on this.
	Who here would consider themselves more liberal or would consider themselves feminist?
	Starting with you?
	I would say I'm pretty liberal.
	I'm not, I'd say, as far as the political compass goes, right or left.
	I don't think I'm either.
	I'm just straight down.
	I'm just very anti-establishment.
	But I guess.
	So you're like an anarchist?
	Yes, I'd say so.
	You're a feminist, though, correct?
	I'd say so, yeah.
	What about you?
	I would say I'm more liberal and a feminist.
	And feminist?
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say I'm liberal and a feminist.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say I lean more towards traditional values and conservatism.
	Sorry, wait.
	Repeat that first part.
	I missed it.
	More traditional.
	Traditional values.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Conservative.
	And not a feminist?
	No, I wouldn't.
	What about you?
	I'm the same, more conservative.
	More conservative, not a feminist?
	Non-feminist.
	What about you?
	Same.
	As who?
	As these two.
	Right next to you.
	More conservative.
	Yes.
	Not feminist.
	Less feminist than most.
	What does that mean, though?
	Less.
	It's a spectrum.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't be all the way up there, but you know.
	Equal rights.
	Should we smash the patriarchy?
	Yeah, why not?
	Okay, you're a feminist.
	What about you?
	I would say I lean towards more the conservative side.
	Conservative.
	I'm not all the way feminist, but I do agree with some of the values.
	Some stuff.
	Okay.
	I understand it's not completely black and white.
	What about you?
	Conservative, not a feminist.
	Not a feminist.
	Okay.
	Question going around the table.
	Where do I start?
	Let's start over here.
	Even if you're a feminist, not a feminist, everybody can just answer the question.
	You might want to scoot into the table a little bit just so you're closer to the mic.
	Should men pay on first dates?
	Yes.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yes.
	Yes, if he asked me out.
	Yes.
	Well, okay, I'll come back to that really quick.
	Go ahead.
	That's a hard yes.
	Hard yes.
	Okay.
	If he asked me out, yes.
	Well, you're currently in a relationship.
	I don't know if you went on like a formal, not formal, but you went on a first date with your boyfriend.
	Did he pay for the date?
	I don't even remember what our first sale.
	We were like really young.
	It was like a drink.
	Well, currently.
	Currently?
	Does he still pay for dates?
	Honestly, no, we do split pay.
	Like, if it's my favorite pay for you, guys are, to be fair, you guys are both.
	We're young, yeah.
	I don't expect him to pay for me.
	So it's kind of a bit more common when you're both young.
	What about you?
	Should the guy pay?
	Depends on who asks who out.
	So if a guy asks me out, then he should probably pay.
	Okay.
	I'll come back to that.
	What do you think?
	Doesn't matter to me.
	It truly doesn't.
	I paid for a couple first dates.
	I'm okay with that.
	That's fine.
	Going back to you and you, you guys say, well, whoever asks should pay, if he asks, he should pay.
	How many times have you, how many first dates would you say you've had?
	Couple or?
	Yeah, a couple.
	What?
	Three, four, five, six, seven?
	Ten, twenty, thirty, forty.
	I don't know.
	I guess we'll say like seven or eight.
	Okay.
	Of the seven or eight first dates, did you ask first dates?
	First dates.
	Did you ask the guy or did he ask you?
	I feel like it's less formal the way, like, it's just kind of like, yo, let's hang out.
	Yeah.
	It's, it's, you know.
	Okay, I understand that, you know, it's not like dinner in a movie, especially when you're young, you're not always doing like a really formal date.
	But who's the one who's taking the, I guess the easiest way I could frame it, the sort of initial initiative of requesting some sort of romantic rendezvous?
	I'd say it's probably half and half split.
	50-50.
	Yeah.
	First date?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Or sorry, no, this is for you.
	You say men should pay.
	If men ask, they should pay.
	Do you ask men out on dates?
	Yeah, more informal like that.
	Just a hangout.
	But I haven't really.
	Well, have any of you had a formal date where the guy's like, hey, let's go.
	Or I guess you could have said, hey, first time hanging out, really, or whatever.
	Let's go grab coffee.
	Let's go grab some food.
	Yeah.
	You've had more formal, not just, I don't know, Netflix and chill or let's hang out.
	You have formally asked a guy out for dinner.
	First date.
	I'm not talking about your boyfriend.
	Not for a first date.
	I haven't formally asked like that before.
	So how many formal first dates have you been on?
	I don't know.
	Three, three.
	I'll need, you don't need to tell me exact, just an approximation.
	Three, four, five?
	Somewhere in that.
	Three, four, five.
	And was it always the guy who asked for the formal date?
	Yeah, I guess.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Maybe 10.
	10 formal dates?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did the guy ask?
	Yeah.
	Every single time?
	Okay.
	So this idea, well, whoever asks should pay does conveniently ignore the fact that de facto men are initiators, men are the askers almost all the time, the majority of the time.
	So it's kind of, look, I would, this idea of whoever I should pay, I could be on board with that if it was the case that men and women asked each other out at comparable rates, but they clearly don't.
	It's probably like 90, 95, 5.
	Can I add?
	Sure.
	Sometimes if there's not going to be a second date, I will pay half, usually.
	Because, you know.
	That's fair.
	And I've definitely paid for dates as well.
	Well, first dates.
	Yeah.
	Like, I get if you're dating a guy, you know.
	Okay.
	You had something?
	Yeah, I just want to say that I'm like, I don't, me and my boyfriend was a really weird way we met, but I just want to, like, it started because I kind of like told him first that I liked him, and then the guy kind of did that.
	So.
	Because you said that.
	I guess I kind of initiated us like talking, getting to know each other more.
	Okay.
	Yeah, me too.
	I literally asked my boyfriend out.
	Wait, do you want the pizza or?
	I'm good for now.
	Okay, let's maybe, Felicity, when you get them on.
	Are you guys done with your pizzas?
	Yeah, I'm done.
	Okay, maybe we'll leave.
	We'll move them eventually.
	We'll leave them there for a little bit, but just if you guys want to nibble.
	Nibble, yeah.
	Wait, sorry, you were saying something about you hit on your boyfriend.
	Yeah.
	So you guys went to school together?
	We did.
	We met through a mutual friend, and the person who introduced us also liked me, and we all kind of knew it, but I was interested in my boyfriend.
	So we kind of, I confessed to him like secretly, and then we kind of started seeing each other for a month until we told everyone.
	Sure.
	Matt, thank you for the merch.
	Chris, thank you for the merch.
	Appreciate it, guys.
	Okay, so wait, hold on.
	Let me just get back to the original point here.
	Oh, right.
	The whole like feminist thing or whatever.
	I'm trying to remember where I was going with that.
	You were making a point about how you're more feminist.
	Yes.
	And because of this, you don't care as much about money, right?
	Not really, no.
	Then again, to be fair, I've never really had a formal date.
	I mean, most recent one was I got taken out to David Busters, you know, on some books.
	I'm not sure how that's relevant, but thank you for sharing that.
	So going back to this, who here said they were feminist and also said men should pay on first dates?
	I think it was you.
	Oh, that's not what I said.
	I think you said men should pay, right?
	No, she said it was conditional.
	It was like based on the circumstance.
	And I've also paid for dates, like first dates too.
	And I literally asked.
	Is it the majority?
	Or you said 50-50?
	50-50.
	And also, I was the one who asked my boyfriend to date me.
	Yeah, this does happen.
	Although I would say there's no dispute that women do ask men out.
	There's no dispute that women do pay for first dates.
	But what I'm trying to get at is I'm talking more so in averages.
	Gotcha.
	So, and it's not even average.
	The majority experience would be men are going to be the initiators and men are going to pay for dates, right?
	Not to say that there aren't instances where women will initiate, where women will pay for dates.
	I don't have exact, you know, there was a study on it.
	I would put it to be conservative.
	95% of the time the guy initiates, 95% of the time the guy pays for the first date.
	I'm curious, though, to hear from any women here who, like for you, for example, have you ever paid for a first date?
	Not that I can recall, no.
	And you're 36.
	How many first dates do you think you've been on?
	Dozens.
	Oh, my God.
	Hundreds, maybe?
	I don't know about hundreds, but quite a few.
	Yeah, maybe like 40, 50, 60.
	Probably around that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, if you've been dating since you were 18, you know, you go on two or three dates a year, you're at 40, 50, 60.
	I was single for five years.
	Sure.
	So, yeah.
	And sometimes people go on 10, 12.
	Yeah, I went on a lot.
	A bunch of dates in a short period of time.
	Never paid for a first date.
	I split.
	I split a first date one time.
	The guy actually reached over and grabbed my food, which I was disgusted by.
	And then we split it, and I blocked him.
	Good times.
	And have you ever asked the guy out first?
	I've never asked a guy out.
	Never asked a guy out.
	Anybody here never asked a guy out?
	Never.
	Never asked a guy out?
	Is that sorry?
	Are you saying no?
	You have?
	Like mutual hangout, but like not directly.
	Have you ever been on a dating app?
	Yeah.
	On a dating app, did you ever say to a guy, hey, let's go out?
	Or was it always the guy asking?
	Usually the guy.
	Usually the guy.
	Anybody here? Never asked a guy out?
	No.
	Never asked a guy out?
	By the way, guys, just people audio podcasts.
	So instead of just no, I have not.
	Okay.
	No?
	No.
	Ever asked a guy out?
	Never asked a guy out?
	Now here's the real kicker on this.
	Has a guy ever asked you out?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yes.
	Is that a trick question?
	like what hundreds of men have probably i'm not saying you went out with every guy You guys have probably rejected tons of men, but hundreds of men have asked you out, thousands even maybe.
	This includes like Instagram DMs, dating apps, in person.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah, fucking some dude, you're repoing his shit.
	Actually, that has happened.
	We got to talk about that.
	Have you ever like you're fucking repoing?
	I feel like that's a media red flag, though.
	It's like, fuck, I'm repoing this dude's car, but he's kind of cute, you know?
	In South Florida and Miami, I get a lot of the old men.
	Oh, those old men.
	I repo their car.
	Like both.
	Going to you, how many times have you been asked out?
	Social media and in-person.
	And by the way, not saying you actually went out with, you could have rejected them, but how many times total?
	I would say.
	A couple dozen, 100.
	I would say a couple dozen.
	A couple dozen?
	What about you?
	100 plus?
	Yeah, a couple dozen.
	A couple dozen, 100 plus.
	100 plus, probably.
	1,000 plus.
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	What about you?
	100 plus.
	How many guys?
	A couple dozen, I guess.
	A couple dozen.
	Like 40, 50.
	40, 50.
	Online, a couple dozen, but in person.
	Into the mic.
	Sorry.
	Online, a couple dozen, but in person, it was always like we were friends, and then it just fell in naturally.
	So there was, it's a hard conversation because it's like, I didn't ask him out.
	He didn't ask me out.
	It just grew naturally.
	So I've never really been on like a formal date.
	That's why this is so hard for me to answer.
	Okay.
	I guess to kind of wrap this all together, link it all together.
	I was asking you guys about, would you give up college and career for a billionaire?
	Would you give up college and career for a job that pays you a million dollars?
	I'm just so confused.
	Like, who doesn't?
	Why would you not pick the billionaire?
	That's my confusion.
	Like, you want to rent your car out?
	Seems like a, hold on.
	All you guys wanting to do all this work and I got to go to class and study for my final.
	I got to, I have to play this for you guys.
	Hold on.
	Wait, hold on.
	Where is it?
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	It sounds like a lot of work.
	You meet a billionaire.
	You never have to work a day in your life.
	I hate that.
	You're taken care of.
	Your family's taken care of.
	Your kids are taken care of.
	Your grandkids are taken care of.
	Maybe dozens or hundreds of generations of your future, well, great-great-great-grandchildren taken care of.
	Generational wealth.
	Which is kind of interesting.
	Why is that?
	I've never seen what wealth does to people generationally, especially being from South Florida, going to school and living in like a very, very, not just, you know, actual status, like how much you have, but the money mentality.
	I'm just not a fan of it.
	You already have the money.
	So then ultimately, though, this wouldn't have really anything to do with the money.
	It would come down to your parenting.
	You can still be obscenely wealthy and you could raise your kids in such a way.
	I'm not suggesting that, I mean, you can take care of your kids exceptionally well, but you don't have to spoil them.
	They don't have to be little spoiled brats.
	In fact, you can hide the degree of your wealth.
	You know, you don't need to let on to your children.
	By the way, you know, we're super rich.
	You can, I mean, they might get some hints through your life.
	I'm not going to raise them simply with financial stability.
	I understand that.
	It's just a matter of locking myself down to a Walmart.
	Now, if you were to tell me, like, hey, or to a billionaire man, it's personality-based.
	I would rather struggle with somebody.
	I would rather be sleeping on the streets with somebody if that somebody aligns with myself.
	I'd rather be homeless.
	No, that's not what I'm saying.
	You said sleeping on the streets.
	What I'm saying is, it's about the character.
	Aren't you homeless currently?
	Technically?
	Kind of.
	Well, you do like the travel shit.
	I mean, conditionally, I guess.
	But what I'm saying is: look, if the billionaire just so happens to be my aligned karmic soul twin, the other end of my red string, and he just so happens to be a billionaire, beautiful.
	But that's not what I, that's not what I think about when I think of relationship and marriage and long term.
	I just, I just want a soul that okay, what about the other?
	Let's hear from the other girls too.
	Sorry, my fault.
	What do you guys think?
	To me, it's just like not a fulfilling life.
	Like, I love shopping and I love like doing it.
	You love shopping.
	Yeah, but how long can I do it for?
	Like, my whole life?
	Just shopping and doing nothing, traveling.
	No, like, that's it.
	No, but that's not like, that's not fulfilling.
	Hang out with your billionaire boyfriend, husband, whatever.
	Have kids eventually if you want to have kids or not, whatever you want to do.
	But that's just like not fulfilling.
	Like, what?
	What's fulfilling?
	Like, working.
	I want to help people.
	I think that's a fulfillment.
	Why is work?
	I don't understand why this idea of work as fulfillment.
	Well, why is it actually helpful to men?
	Why is work fulfilling?
	Yeah, well, sure, sure.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, well, first off, if even I, if we're going to view it from the frame and lens of it is more so within the male traditional or male gender expectation, traditional gender roles, that men are primary breadwinners or men are supposed to get fulfillment from work.
	Even I take the trade.
	Even I take the female billionaire over my really fulfilling job.
	The reality is, the reality is, now some of you may go on to have fulfilling careers.
	I think careers can be fulfilling.
	However, I would wager for the vast majority of people, 97, 95% of people, You're going to be slogging away, slaving away for some mega corp, some corporation, doesn't cold corporation, doesn't give a fuck about you.
	Your boss is going to say, be here at this time.
	These are going to be your hours.
	Some of you may go on to be self-employed, whatever.
	Then you're a slave to somebody else, which would be your consumer or your client or whatever it is.
	This idea that ultimate fulfillment comes from career seems a bit misguided.
	I don't think even really successful people who have had fulfilling careers, they sit on their deathbed and they think, wow, I closed that fucking sale.
	I did, you know, I did X, Y, Z.
	I think ultimate fulfillment from life will come from family primarily, will come from friends, will come from those sorts of one.
	Again, not to say that you can't enjoy and get fulfillment from a career, but in terms of ultimate fulfillment.
	And to finish my point off, I think most people don't even have careers.
	I think most people have jobs.
	And like, unless you're some rock star or, you know, you're doing some really, I can maybe see like if you're a doctor or like in healthcare or something, there can be some degree of fulfillment where you're like, there are some jobs where there's like a component of actually helping people.
	But if you're just like, I don't know, an HR manager for like NVIDIA or like you're, you're some like project manager for what's like kind of like a like Microsoft.
	Really?
	Oh my God.
	I didn't hire that one person.
	Deathbed reminiscing, like you're on your deathbed reminiscing about, wow, I sat in a cubicle.
	I sat in an office for fucking like 30 years of my life.
	Like, look, some of y'all might have cool jobs, I guess.
	That's the exact thing.
	Most people aren't.
	Most people aren't.
	Y'all can be hustling and grinding.
	Work is stressful.
	Wake up at fucking 7 a.m.
	Get off at 5, 6 p.m.
	Do it again, repeat it every single day.
	Shit, I don't have enough free time.
	Is that not the circumstance you gave us with the Walmart question, though?
	Like, yeah, you're earning mega bread, but at the end of the day, it's the same exact thing.
	You're greeting people out of Walmart 40 hours a week.
	Is that not the same feel?
	Unless you truly enjoy greeting people out of Walmart.
	Is that not the same exact thing that you were just talking about with your office job that you're slaving away?
	Aren't we?
	Just slaving away out of Walmart too?
	Well, that is to assess, that is to assess if.
	So what I'm trying to achieve there is the billion, if you're married to a billionaire, the sort of passive wealth that that passes on to you and opens up to you far exceeds if you just earned a million dollars per year.
	But some people get bogged down in, well, I want to earn it and I want to work, blah, blah, blah.
	So I just ask, okay.
	But I guess the reason I bring that up is, well, if you're married to a billionaire, you're going to have probably have a maid.
	You're going to have a private chef.
	You'll never have to work.
	Your husband, who's a billionaire, is never going to be like, okay, show up.
	You got to wake up at 7 a.m. and you got to stay here and you can't leave until like that's essentially what a job is.
	Show up 8 a.m., 9 a.m., 10 a.m.
	Stay there, do your job.
	Sometimes you can have a chill boss or whatever.
	Or sometimes you have a boss like me who's a little snarky sometimes, a little snappy, a little snarky.
	And then, you know, show up here, do this, do that.
	Your husband's never going to do that.
	So that's my confusion.
	You can open yourself up to obscene levels of wealth through marrying a billionaire and never having to work, but some people pick, oh, yeah, I'll just do menial, like for 40 years, I'll just greet people at a Walmart, which is like low-skilled job.
	I mean, that's my confusion.
	That's the reason for the comparison.
	I see, I understand, misunderstanding.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, if I was going to do a nine-to-five job, I would have picked the billionaire, but I'm not picking a career that's nine to five.
	So that's why.
	I mean, you'll be working a lot, right?
	I'll be working a lot, but after I get my PhD, then I can pick what I want to do.
	I can become a professor.
	I can do my own practice.
	I also kind of want to write, like try writing a few books.
	So that's why I think it's fulfilling.
	I think I'm helping people.
	But if I know, like, if I wasn't doing psychology, if I probably would have gone into like marketing or something, I probably would have, yeah, married the billionaire because then I didn't want to do a nine-to-five job.
	And that's something, also, why I pick psychology?
	Because I don't want a nine-to-five job.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Your car rental, like really?
	People did used to work in agricultural societies where they would all work together as a family on the farm.
	So I think working is a fundamental part of life that we're kind of ignoring here.
	Wait, but hold on.
	It's not throwing out all your work to marry some billionaire for money.
	Like there are other parts of life that work together that I think the questions ignore.
	Well, so you're saying, so if I were to go back in time when we were like an agrarian or agricultural society or even like industrial, I don't even know.
	And we went back, okay, some family's living on the farm and all the kids fucking wake up at 5 a.m.
	The wife wakes up.
	Everybody's working.
	The boys, the girls, the wife, they're all working, milking cows or some shit, whatever.
	I don't know, tending to the crops.
	You think if they were given the opportunity, hey, you guys can live on your farm, still live on your farm, but like all the shit will just be automated for you?
	You don't think that they take the trade?
	I think living like that makes you sluggish and kind of messes up your brain.
	I think there's good things about work that you can find fulfillment in that too.
	So you think if I went down to like, went back to like, what is it, fiefdoms or like surf serfs in the like in the Middle Ages or some shit?
	I mean they're just like in the some like super rainy place in Europe and there's just like muddy ditches like in England and it's just fucking cloudy and miserable all the time.
	And they're just shoveling.
	Their entire life is just shoveling fucking dirt and mud.
	You think they wouldn't like they wouldn't take, not even for a million dollars.
	They're just like, hey, somebody can come do this job for you.
	And all your benefits, you keep your benefits, but you just get to kick it.
	You don't think they take the trade?
	They're like, nah, I want to shovel this shit.
	Well, why do older people get jobs even if they don't need the money?
	I think there's fulfillment.
	That's a fair point.
	That's a compelling argument.
	I would say that has to do with a lack of imagination.
	So these people, when they're older, they get bored.
	I think that that's just, there's things to do absent work.
	I think that that's a lack of imagination.
	If you're, I mean, you might say, well, traveling eventually gets boring.
	What do we define as work, though?
	Are we defining work as something that gives us a salary, something that is earned?
	Or is work, let's say, building a homestead, volunteering?
	It's still labor.
	You know, you're still sweating, you're still grunting, you're still slugging around logs, but you're working towards something.
	I think work is fulfillment.
	You're kind of missing a huge port because it's such a Western mindset that work is fulfillment.
	It is fulfillment if you're working towards something that brings you passion.
	So her conversation about psychology, absolutely.
	Do I want to be a stagehand slugging around amps for the rest of my life?
	Is it what I want to build my whole career on?
	Is that my identity?
	No, but you know what?
	I slug around gear for four hours a day and I get to see a beautiful show.
	And that is like in that moment, it brings me peace.
	It brings me joy.
	Think, I don't know, man.
	Is this like a dating podcast or a money podcast?
	Let's talk about I already answered your question.
	You know, this is completely, it's literally baked into the question: is would you date because she turned down billionaires?
	And then it segues into like, because I think, and this is actually, you say it's not about dating, but I'm actually prepared to completely refute and destroy your point here.
	Is it's actually, this is probably one of the most pressing issues as it relates to dating, as it relates to marriage, and as it relates to, I mean, the propagation.
	I mean, you can't really extract having children from reliable.
	Well, I mean, people can be child-free or whatever, but for the furtherance of humanity, people need to have children, obviously, super important.
	If we have put propaganda out there, which if we've put propaganda out there to propagandize women to put career first and say family comes secondary, which has been the case, which has been massive amounts of, unfortunately, extremely successful feminist propaganda, then that's going to have an impact on how late people get married.
	It's going to have an impact on fertility.
	If you start having kids, look, to be clear, you can have kids into your late 30s, even 40s.
	It becomes harder.
	Some people face fertility issues.
	We're below replacement, at least of the, I mean, it depends which country you're looking at.
	If you look at the so-called native populations of a lot of European countries, feminist propaganda below replacement level, going to be massive population collapse, massive demographic changes in not just the United States.
	Well, sorry, I should say not just in Europe, but also in the United States, Western countries, we see this happening in Korea, Japan, etc.
	It's going to be massive, massive societal issues.
	The reason it's related to finances is women have been propagandized.
	I'm not saying, oh, just become a trad wife and get married and have kids at 18.
	That's not necessarily.
	That's not necessarily what I'm saying, but there's been a massive push to be like, okay, boss babe, boss babe, boss babe, career, career, career.
	That's ultimate fulfillment.
	And husband, marriage, secondary.
	And then it has a negative impact on the children too.
	Because if you want to be a boss babe, career woman, you also need to be a mother.
	That's great.
	Well, that's where it becomes complicated.
	So I personally think, look, to be clear, I'll preface this by saying both parents can work, and that doesn't mean your child's going to turn out terribly.
	That's not the case.
	However, if we're talking about maximizing results, if we're talking about min-maxing, if we're talking about what's most optimum, what's most optimal, I think the most optimal thing would be you have the parent taking care of the child.
	Absolutely.
	Not, here's a, okay, go to childcare where some minimum wage worker isn't going to change their diapers as frequently as they should, isn't going to feed them as frequently as they should.
	I think the ultimate thing would be: honestly, look, if you're rich enough as a woman and your husband's cool with it, even better for the husband to be staying at home than pawning your child off to some fucking daycare or nanny or whatever it is.
	But the economic reality, due to a bunch of reasons, in order to actually, for most people, the financial and economic reality, two people will have to work in order to have a family.
	There's a bunch of reasons for that that we don't have to get into, but I do think it is the best for the child if we do approach it from a more traditional dynamic: is husband breadwinner, wife stay home and take care of the kids.
	That's the best thing for the children.
	And I believe once you do have children, your selfish, ego-driven desires for fulfillment from career, I believe, and this applies to men too, right?
	Your selfish desires as a man ought to take a back seat to the interests of your children.
	You had something good.
	Yeah, so as a woman that works in a male-dominated industry, I've been a repo agent for five years.
	So I work 10 to 12 hour shifts.
	I used to do night shift and then I switched over to day shift.
	When you're young, it looks and appears like this is how you're going to find fulfillment is by having a steady career and be able to take care of yourself, right?
	It's something that like it gives you that independence to where, oh, any man can come into your life and they can leave and you'll be all right, right?
	But that is not how we were designed.
	We were not created to have that kind of discord.
	The woman was actually created as the helper to the man, okay?
	They are created to be an emotional support to the man while the man provides because they are actually built for that 40, 50, 60 hour work week.
	And so now that I'm older and marriage and I have found a new perspective on everything, there's no way I'd be able to take care of a family.
	I can barely take care of myself because I get home so tired that cooking even just a steak is like a whole chore.
	So I end up with ramen or something super fast and go to sleep just so I can do it all over again.
	There is no fulfillment.
	It's like being in a hamster wheel.
	And I would absolutely, if somebody wanted to go out on a date with me that was a billionaire, that had the same values as me and was supportive in me being able to minister to people, even financially supporting my vision with God, then yeah, I would absolutely take that over working 40, 50, 60 hours by myself.
	I understand where you're coming from, but I think that also kind of, there's a difference between job and career like we talked about before.
	Well, even if you have a job or, well, sorry, even if you have a career, I don't think this actually challenges anything that I said as it relates to what's best for the children.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'd also like to, you know, I went on for a bit there.
	In response to what I said, does anybody have any objections?
	I feel like I don't agree because I grew up with like two working parents and my mom, like, she loves her job and she's a food scientist.
	And obviously, like, she's a food scientist.
	Food scientist.
	Yeah.
	And she obviously, like, I mean, I could say in elementary school, I was kind of sometimes felt like sad because I had to take the bus and some parents would drop their kids to school.
	But then as I grew older, I realized like my mom's her own individual.
	Like she is still a very good mother.
	We had dinner as a family every night.
	We on the weekends, they would spend as much time as they could.
	And I feel like they had a very both my parents worked, but they still treat us like really good.
	And even in high school, though, my mom actually would have to drive an hour to work and drive an hour back and would do like full days.
	And my dad was actually like cooking us dinner and he was doing a lot for us.
	But I didn't ever feel like neglected by my mom like growing up.
	I still think she's like the best mother she could have been.
	So I feel like it depends.
	Like maybe if some, but if you are a parent and you're not giving enough attention to your children, yeah, then I could see you'd feel neglected and that's not the best parenting.
	But coming from a person who's both parents worked and they both worked a lot of hours, I still never felt neglected.
	And I think I grew up to be like pretty good.
	Yeah, and just to be clear, to reiterate here, the suggestion is not that, you know, oh, everybody who's grown up in like a two-parent household where the man worked and the woman stayed home and took care of the kids, that all the children under that dynamic always turn out like perfectly.
	And then in the other dynamic where both parents go out and work, the children always turn out awfully.
	That's absolutely not the case.
	But I'm just looking in terms of what is optimal, what is best.
	And again, my position would just be: while it works, it can work.
	Things can be totally fine.
	Again, I do think, and it sounds like it was perfectly fine for you.
	There's no disputes there.
	I do think it is the best to have at least one parent there who's taking care of the kid.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's the most optimal.
	That's the most optimal.
	And especially, I want to send my kid to daycare, to childcare.
	Don't want to do it.
	So any objections from anybody else on the panel?
	Wait, actually, sorry.
	Before you do, keep that, save it, save it.
	I need to let some chats come through.
	Sorry for the delay, guys.
	Teddy Westside.
	I apologize.
	I should have gotten in sooner.
	sorry man i'm donating brian i love yours and andrew's work i saw your post of that evil woman wanting to hurt your innocent cat oh yeah that's crazy happens to your cat me and the boys are ready for war Yeah, there's some wicked, evil people out there, man.
	Say some weird shit.
	But thank you, Teddy Westside.
	Sorry for the delay on that.
	Thank you for appreciate your first time sending a dono here.
	Thank you, man.
	Doc Venabilis has misdonated $200.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	These young ladies have been sold a bill of goods.
	Did you mean a false?
	How many of you value motherhood over boss bimbo?
	You will reach age 50, childless shriveled who ha.
	And Olaf dependent.
	I just walked.
	Anybody want to respond to Doc Vanabilis?
	Yeah.
	I do want to be a mama.
	I do want to be mama self.
	I absolutely.
	So there will, but I also do want to work.
	Maybe it's not as much as in the future my husband works, but also keep in mind our age groups here.
	We just left.
	I'm talking 17, 18, 19.
	I left home a little earlier than usual.
	I left home at 17, and I've been living alone since then.
	We just barely stepped into adulthood.
	I get it biologically.
	We're fertile.
	We can pop out kids now, but that's really not the move.
	And we've seen it several times before.
	It's good to wait until you're in your 20s.
	Our brains are developing.
	So you know what?
	I'm seeing this.
	If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
	33.
	33.
	How old are you, sir?
	36. 36.
	You guys are coming from a perspective of a decade over us.
	Yeah.
	So it's not like we're inherently wrong.
	You're inherently right or vice versa.
	We have to take into account, we're still developing.
	I'm still, and this is to prove your point.
	I do want to be a mama.
	And I do have those random spurts of, damn, I don't want a kid right now.
	I'm kind of on baby fever, bruh.
	I want to be sitting there making pies for my kid.
	But at the end of the day, I also still want to fulfill something for myself.
	So why can there not be both?
	Why can I not build something along with my partner?
	And when the time comes, you know, if the split is, okay, we're going from 50-50 work, building something for our family.
	And then once we build that family, maybe my work is a little bit less and his is a little bit more.
	It's not so black and white.
	It's not about some boss bimbo shit.
	It's about just general autonomy.
	It is all in our divine nature.
	It is, as you were saying, I'm not inherently Christian, but I do believe in that value that while they're, look, I'm androgynous.
	I'm super androgynous.
	But what does that have to do with anything?
	But okay, go ahead.
	I'm saying I have a masculines, so I have a lot of masculine aspirations, but at the end of the day, it's natural.
	It's in our DNA to want to nurture.
	I'm sorry, I talked about it.
	Continue.
	Go ahead.
	But you got to give us at least a little bit of the slack of we're still developing in ourselves.
	That's just a good question.
	Let me do a quick response and I'll let you go, then I'll let you go.
	So, you know, I understand that I'm a bit older than some of you.
	However, I also was also once 18, 19, 20.
	And if somebody asked me when I was 18, 19, 20, slogging away through college, and they were like, hey, Brian, you know, you have your little, you know, your ambitions with, you know, you want to do career, you want to get an education.
	Mind you, at least Mike's, I know people have varying experiences in college.
	I found college to frankly be a massive waste of time.
	I always thought, well, at least after I dropped out, never to let college get in the way of your education.
	In any case, I'm sure the college girls are going to love that one.
	If somebody proposed to me, Brian, if at 18, some billionaire woman came along and was like, hey, I'll marry you.
	You don't have to work.
	We're good.
	There's no question.
	I don't, you know, back when I was 18, who knows what I could have, you know, who knows?
	I would have taken it.
	And you might say, well, Brian, retrospectively, trust me, at 18, I would have taken that shit.
	Even, even though the male biological imperative is to provide, still take it, still take the trade.
	Of course.
	So that's just what's in.
	I don't know.
	It's kind of interesting.
	It's kind of interesting.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Well, hold on.
	I want to go in order here.
	But really quick, wait, did I?
	Did the one from Pasty George come in?
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty George.
	I'll let you guys go after this.
	Hold on.
	Sorry for the delay, Pasty.
	I'm sorry.
	Since ancient times, men have worked for the sake of their families.
	Their actual fulfillment is knowing they have a legacy, which is their kids.
	Women have lost that because of feminism.
	Good point, Pasty George.
	Thank you, man.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	Sorry for the delay, man.
	My bad.
	I was in the midst.
	So I think you go, you go, you go.
	So, going back to what we were talking about before, the world is also changing.
	You can work from home now.
	There's things that depends where we're at.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
	Go ahead.
	But you can work from home.
	Both parents can have a job, work from home, and still take care of their children.
	And they can still be attentive, too.
	Like, you can have different schedules.
	Like, for example, my mom works at 4 a.m. to like 12.
	And then my dad is always working.
	But that's always worked for us because she's still there to take care of us.
	There's always been like the point is, you can have two parents working and it can still be beneficial for the kids.
	And you have extra income as well.
	Okay.
	What did you have?
	I would just say that I would honestly give up my businesses to raise kids, you know, if it worked for our family.
	Like my want and need to build something for myself has almost zero impact on situational choices.
	But I think after your kids age out, when it's 25 years down the line, I'll still want to keep working and do something productive.
	And I want to ask everybody here if you would do that as well.
	Yes.
	Yes?
	To an extent?
	Yes.
	Do what?
	Yeah, sorry, what was the question?
	If you would give up just for a time your careers to raise kids and then go back to it, if you were given the choice, I think that's.
	The answer is yes, how long?
	Are we talking career pursuits long-term?
	Like, you know, her studying for her PhD?
	Or are we talking careers in your day-to-day job?
	Like, wait, wait, hold on.
	Let me make this simpler.
	Who here wants kids?
	Show of hands.
	You don't want kids?
	No kids?
	Maybe it'll change.
	Who knows?
	I already have one.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You want more kids, maybe?
	Kids?
	No kids?
	Don't want kids.
	Okay.
	Maybe it'll change.
	Who knows?
	As of right now, no.
	Well, no, no.
	So just to be clear, I don't mean like kids right now.
	You know, I totally understand that.
	But maybe.
	Down the line.
	Yeah, as of right now, down the line.
	In your late, mid-late 20s, early 30s, even then?
	No.
	100% certain?
	I mean, maybe it would change, but don't even see it down the line.
	No.
	Why?
	Just curious why.
	I'm just curious why.
	That's just not the life I see for myself.
	I like kids and everything, but I kind of just want to work and I would want to get married, but I'm happy with just those two.
	What's the point of getting married?
	Anyways, I mean, I want a partner, though.
	I want a partner for life.
	Just have a boyfriend for life.
	Well, I don't, I kind of like that.
	You've been dating a boyfriend for two years.
	He's also on board, I'm assuming, with the no kids.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he, we've talked, I mean, I don't know.
	He like, he isn't pressuring or anything.
	I mean, he maybe wants kids, but after being with me, I think he's also realizing he maybe doesn't want it.
	So, like, have you guys had the convo?
	I mean, we had a convo, like, nothing serious.
	It's just I said, like, if I were to marry someone, they have to be, they have to respect that.
	I probably won't have kids, and I don't want to feel pressured about it.
	So, and he said, and he was fine with it.
	And, I mean, I don't think he, I mean, we don't really know yet.
	I know I don't really want kids.
	He doesn't think he wants kids either.
	Sure.
	Why don't you guys want kids?
	I just don't see it.
	Don't want to push out a football out of a lot of people.
	It's pretty babies are big, you know, might be painful.
	What about you?
	I just don't see myself being something that a child, like, not needs growing up, but I don't, as of right now, I'm not kind of that nurturing, loving person.
	I do believe that a child deserves to be 100% cared for and nurtured to the fullest.
	And I think as of right now, I'm not someone that would be very empathetic if something I don't really know how to explain it, but it was your child that came out of your body.
	I don't think you would have to say that.
	George donated $200.04.
	If women are still developing mentally until the age of 25, then why do they have the right to vote at 18?
	Shouldn't they be incompetent and thus denied voting until age 25?
	Humans, Pasty George, humans are still developing mentally until the age of 25.
	Men actually take longer to develop mentally.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That doesn't mean anything.
	Well, so then should we, including both men and women, should we raise the voting age to 25 for both?
	That leans into a whole different conversation.
	I'm okay with that.
	I'd be okay with that.
	With that in mind, can we still buy a gun at 21, but can't vote until 25?
	Or are we changing all these to 25?
	Hold on.
	Please don't make me have to remind you once more.
	How many times has it been?
	Five, ten?
	You got to speak closer to the mic.
	Sorry, sir.
	Just do.
	Just make the fix.
	I'm sorry.
	Finish your thought.
	Well, this is leading to a whole other conversation, but if we're going to be changing voting age to 25, why don't we change all the other things that come with adulthood to 25, including Rachel Wilson?
	Read that from Rachel Wilson.
	Stop the cope.
	You don't want the responsibility and don't want to have to think of anything but yourself.
	Shame.
	Appreciate that, but I do want the response.
	I respect your opinion, though.
	Somebody else had something I think you wanted to jump in.
	I'm going to step away for just a moment.
	Go ahead, though.
	Yeah, I just wanted to say, actually, when I was 18, right before I actually met the father of my son, I met someone who was much older than me at the time, too, but who wanted, who actually gave me the offer to settle down.
	And I didn't take it because I just wasn't attracted to him and he was much older and all of these things.
	And he told me, like, I'll put you through school and I'll do all these, you know, these things.
	And then I, you know, kind of refused it and went on to meet my now ex.
	And I can just tell you that being older and a little bit wiser, that if, not that if I could go back in time because I would never not want to have my son, but I will say that that choice of me refusing that, like an easier life, as opposed to like the struggles that I endured for decades and the trauma that I endured for decades after,
	it changes you.
	You know, it really changes you.
	So I would just, I know you guys are all very, very young and you don't have, you know, you don't have as much life experience, but it really does change you as a person.
	And yeah, that's all.
	And I think had I gone through or had any of us had that retrospective stance that you have, and it seems like you have a little bit as well, we probably would agree with that.
	However, I simply is myself.
	So when I was like younger, like you got your age, 18, 19, 20s, whatever, I never wanted kids either.
	And I was all about like the feminist movement and moving towards, you know, just a career, figuring my life out, like no guy's going to come in the middle of that.
	Like no kids, never wanted kids ever.
	But there comes a point when you get to a certain age where like you realize it was kind of backwards the way that you were thinking and the reality of like all those years wasted kind of hits you.
	And I'm not saying it in a way that I'm going to, I'm trying to say that I don't agree with your perspective because I've been there.
	I've been there.
	I've thought those same things.
	And I'm not arguing that I'm better than or worse than anybody.
	I am just saying out of my experience that I hope it resonates with you now.
	And maybe one day you'll look back and be like, oh, you know, I was just like trying to give you loving advice for the future.
	Yeah, same for me as well.
	Like, because when you're young, you know, you don't see the foreseeable future.
	You're thinking about, you know, your present moment and how you want to, you know, thrive.
	And as you should, I mean, I don't want to take that away from any of you.
	You should focus on yourselves and your life and your betterment and your personal growth and development.
	But honestly, like when you're in a car scrounging for change because you can't afford McDonald's, you know what I mean?
	As opposed to like having your school paid for and And like, it's just a completely different lifestyle.
	Once you're living it, you know, you guys have a wisdom.
	And I can't speak for the rest of the ones who are, you know, 18, 19, you know, our age.
	But at least the way I see it is, I don't know this.
	I haven't lived through this circumstance yet.
	But I can look in your eyes and I can tell that there is truth in this.
	It's just not a truth that I or any of us have experienced yet.
	And maybe that's something we just naturally have to go through.
	I think, because I'm already getting baby fever, man.
	You know, if I were given that opportunity, that he was the hypothetical that he was talking about, marrying a billionaire.
	It was a pretty weird hypothetical because it was all based on money.
	But let's say my karmic, you know, the love of my life, you know, same with y'all, the love of your life, your absolute dream, man, also happened to be grinding and give you that easy life when you're in the midst of the struggle that we haven't experienced yet.
	We'd probably take it too.
	We're just not there yet.
	That is the beauty of feminism.
	It's not, it's to have the choice.
	It's to have the choice of to be a stay-at-home mom or to be hardworking and everything in between.
	That's truly what it is.
	It's to have the free will.
	If you want to be a child wife, hell yeah.
	I can see myself being a travel wife when I'm like 80, cooking pies for my grandkids, milking the cows, you know, bringing some cereal.
	My dad comes home.
	Not my dad, my God.
	By the way, to your point, it's never too late to find love.
	I just want to let you guys know that.
	Because I feel no it's no honestly.
	It's truly not No, I've met people personally.
	I've worked with people who are significantly older in their 60s, 70s, and they've gotten married and they found love.
	So like, I wouldn't say that there, if you want to have kids, there is obviously a very biological timeline.
	Of course.
	Yes.
	You know, but to find love and to find like a meaningful connection, you can find that at any point in time.
	So.
	I met an 80-year-old the other day who told me that he just got married.
	Yeah.
	And also, there's always adoption and other options as well for having a kid.
	True.
	I'm 19 and I want kids.
	I find it really strange when I meet other women that are not maternal and don't have that instinct, but like to each their own, I do think some women should not be mothers.
	I agree.
	But it's weird and unnatural to not be maternal.
	Like, do you know what I mean?
	To not crave that is, that's like literally in our DNA.
	It depends on how you're raised.
	Yeah, so for me, I was raised.
	No, no, no.
	I'm saying wanting a child or not wanting a child.
	It really depends on how you're raised and like, you know, the nature versus nurture type thing.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I suppose, I don't know, I just find it a little sociopathic when I meet a woman that's not maternal at all.
	Maternal in nature, I think we all have, but she does bring up a good point.
	Extensive family abuse and trauma can warp your perception of what family means.
	That's what I mean.
	Our nurture is all.
	I don't know about y'all, but I've been taking care of little animals since I was like four years old.
	I got a Gator tattooed on my foot because I took care of a little gator.
	I called, he was my son, right?
	We all have that, but a lot of people go through traumas that turn them away for the same reason that a lot of people are opposed to love, opposed to marriage, because there's a nurture and nature dynamic.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	But I agree with you.
	I'm 19 and I also want kids.
	And this is coming from someone who, like you said, is pretty dudish, you know, in demeanor.
	I got a fair amount of androgyny, but the other day, I'm a girl.
	I want to soulfleet scrambling around.
	I teach them how to climb towers.
	That's my train of thought.
	Yeah, for me, I feel like I came from a house that wasn't very nurturing.
	So obviously there's a lot of love, or there was a lot of love in my household and everything, but there wasn't, like, let's say I'm like, I lost a tennis match or something like that.
	There's no like, like, like, there wasn't, like, okay, I'll take you guys to go get pizza or I'll make you cookies.
	Like, when you're sad, it's more get up, thug it out, and life goes on.
	I was also raised similarly.
	So, it's not that, you know, I don't feel like, um, like, obviously, like, I would love to have children, things like that.
	But where I'm at currently, in like kind of my headspace, is I wouldn't want to give a child like a disservice because I can't do that for someone else.
	But that's just my take.
	So, what I had said earlier, I'll let you come in.
	Your mindsets of not wanting children will eventually kill off the species.
	South Korea is a prime example of this.
	Quit drinking the feminist Kool-Aid.
	You will regret it later in life.
	Trust me.
	Yo, Teddy Westside.
	Wait, is this like a How I Met Your Mother?
	This is how I met Mother.
	Teddy Westside.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Teddy Westside.
	Appreciate it.
	Send in another one.
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	We got Pasty here.
	Pasty George donated $200 and $4.
	Many women infected with feminism should heed the warnings from women like Kate Mulvey, Nora Vincent, Candace Sewings, Rachel Wilson, Battina Aunt, and more.
	Their stories and advice are gold.
	Yo, Pasty George, thank you, man.
	By the way, Pasty George here, he's a Canadian.
	He's a very intelligent Canadian man, very intelligent.
	So, you know, you should always listen to a Canadian.
	I don't know what that is.
	I'm Canadian.
	You're Canadian?
	Yeah, whoa, whoa.
	Both of my parents were born there.
	Oh, do you have citizenship?
	I could get it, but I don't actively have it.
	Oh, I have a question, but I know you wanted to come in.
	What did you have to say?
	Yeah, no.
	I guess I kept getting interrupted every time I tried to say this.
	It's okay, just no.
	So I understand feeling like you don't have the nurturing ability.
	I was raised by my father, right?
	My mom left to Argentina and then I got involved with drugs really young.
	And I just was always trying to be like my dad, so that's why I have more of that masculine side to me.
	But when it comes from you, when the baby is in your body and it's being formed, I definitely think that it would just naturally come to you.
	And I think we get in our own headspace about how we're supposed to feel and if we are actually built for this, but like you are, you are built for this.
	And until that time comes, when like there's no way that you're going to see your own flesh and blood and not have love and affection and empathy for it.
	There is something spiritual about it.
	Yeah.
	There is something absolutely spiritual about it.
	Right.
	But the point of feminism, I'm a feminist, but I want to be a mother.
	And I am, if this is the situation, willing to try that same home lifestyle.
	If that is what's best for my family.
	But I don't want to give up not my, but our creative pursuits for this.
	I know identical twin sisters race equally.
	One wants children, the other does not.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Sorry.
	But it's, I've seen it firsthand.
	You know, I watched my little sister be born, and that was, and like I said, I'm not inherently Christian, but I am omnistic.
	So I believe in your faith.
	I believe in, I believe in a God, a creator, and there is nothing more pure and holy than seeing a newborn child, and that awoke something in me at a very young age.
	And I want that.
	Just not it.
	Yes.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	Can I say, I want to say something controversial.
	Is that okay?
	To your point?
	Yeah.
	It's a little bit controversial because as a mom, I can tell you.
	Yes, having a child does change your life, and it does make you look at the bigger picture, of course, because how can you not?
	You know, you're literally alive to keep another human being alive.
	However, I will say not everybody is inherently born with a maternal instinct.
	I've seen it, I've experienced it, even myself, because of the things that I would say I am very nurturing, but because of what I endured in that relationship, it deeply affected me and traumatized me.
	And it really actually affected my son.
	And it affected me being a parent to my son because of the previous experiences.
	So it's all like a learning curve and experience.
	And to your point, also, I think it is wise for you to know your limitations and for you to know where you're at to have that self-awareness because I myself didn't.
	And I think now looking back, it potentially caused my son a lot of unnecessary harm.
	So, yeah, I think you're both sharing that.
	I think you're both right.
	Yeah.
	So, next question here.
	Okay, would you rather clean sewers for $100,000 or have a high-profile, fulfilling job, but you make zero, you make no money?
	What do you mean by a high-profile, fulfilling job?
	You're an attorney, you're a doctor, you're, but you can't make any money from it, can't make any money.
	So, clean sewers for $100,000 or whatever, you can pick the job.
	Whatever would be, you can't be like rock star or like, it can't be something like where the status is like insane.
	Wait, are you getting any money from anywhere else?
	Yeah, good question.
	No, so like you're not surviving then because you need money from unless you marry a rich guy or you just have, I don't know, yeah, you're not making money.
	So it's like a high-profile, unpaid internship versus a dirty work job, but you're getting paid fast tax.
	No, it's not an internship.
	You're not fetching coffee for a doctor's office.
	You're the doctor.
	You're the lawyer.
	So it's volunteer work, basically.
	Sure, it's volunteer.
	Interesting one.
	I'm gonna get back to you on that.
	I'm gonna get back to you.
	You gotta pick one.
	Here else.
	Can I start?
	Can I start?
	Okay, we'll come back.
	Which you pick?
	Well, I mean, you need money to survive in this world, so I would obviously pick the one paying you money.
	You can't live without the money.
	Okay.
	What do you pick?
	Yeah, I'd have to do the sewer because how can I survive?
	Sewer.
	I think.
	Oh, sorry.
	My bad.
	I meant the opposite.
	I would do the non-paying.
	Okay.
	Just live in poverty, but yeah.
	Yeah, I think the fulfilling job, you said if you have a husband, you know.
	Maybe, does that kind of destroy the purpose of the hypothetical a little bit?
	Chat, should, let me ask the chat.
	Hmm.
	Should there be chat?
	Do we do we allow them to like have a rich?
	I mean, I don't know.
	Yeah, we gotta break all the hypotheticals into what if you're a doctor and you take donations.
	How about this?
	Let's just fast forward.
	You are married, but your husband isn't earning enough.
	Like he earns enough where you guys are just getting by.
	You're just getting by, but you guys are gonna have like face certain financial issues, blah, blah, blah.
	So you're not like destitute, but yeah, how about that?
	Sewer work.
	If it means taking care of not just myself, but the family that I build, I'll do whatever.
	I'll do whatever it takes.
	I'll clean up dog shit.
	Sorry for my language, but I will do what I have to do to take care of the family that we'll have down the line.
	What about you?
	Yeah, second.
	Yeah, sewer still then.
	I stick with my choice.
	I think just getting by is just getting by, so I'd stick with my choice.
	I'd take whatever gives the most money, which is sewers.
	I agree.
	Sewer.
	I don't like this question.
	I feel like this is like setting up for some sort of like chick meat that's kind of like already on a very intricate basis.
	No, it's definitely a setup.
	It's a setup.
	That's what it feels like.
	It feels like a setup.
	How is it?
	I think you're overthinking it, to be honest.
	I got to overthink it.
	We're on the whatever page.
	I think the root of the question is money versus the fulfillment.
	Look, here's the question.
	Here's the point of the question.
	Here's the point of the question, I guess.
	If you ask men and women this question, men are far more likely to pick the sewer job, and women are far more likely to pick the unpaid, but like, you know, kind of more glamorous, let's say, career.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah, I mean, that checks out.
	Because men are a bit more money-motivated than women are.
	Providing motivated.
	I think let's shift that mentality.
	We're talking about traditional providing.
	You know, let's get money out of this.
	Money is here to provide, right?
	So that's easy for as a woman to say.
	But let me explain why this will never go away.
	Okay.
	So this idea.
	So just to be clear, your contention is with me saying men are more motivated to get money.
	Okay, yeah.
	Motivated.
	Do you disagree?
	Is that your contention?
	No, actually.
	Do you think women are just as motivated as men are?
	I think recently we've been getting more and more motivated, but if we really zoom out on the time scale, no.
	Yeah.
	So men have historically been more on the must provide for my family.
	Well, I would even argue modern day today.
	Yes, no, I agree.
	Well, men are more motivated to make money.
	Because of the binary that we've established for several millennia already.
	It's kind of ingrained within us.
	Who established it?
	Ourselves.
	Is it men?
	You think so?
	Yeah, that's how it started.
	I'll frame it like this.
	So I think when it comes to survival needs, I would argue that men and women have comparable motivation as it relates to making money related to survival, right?
	That's the most important thing.
	You need money to survive.
	You need food, you need water, you need a house, you need shelter, et cetera, et cetera.
	Both men and women need those two things.
	Both of them, whether you're a man or a woman, you're paying the same rent.
	You're paying the same, well, men actually, maybe I'm being a bit pedantic here.
	Men probably pay a little bit more for food because we have a higher calorie requirement.
	Anyways, that's kind of irrelevant.
	Very minor fucking nitpick on myself, I guess.
	However, I would say the second most important biological imperative next to survival would be to have kids, to reproduce.
	And the mechanism by which people reproduce is engage in monogamous, well, I suppose it doesn't have to be monogamous, but you need to have a relationship.
	You need to date.
	You need to be appealing to the opposite sex.
	Women's finances are nearly completely irrelevant to your attraction to the opposite sex.
	Men overwhelmingly don't care for certain, you know, to be charitable.
	There are certain economic and financial realities to like most people, both people are going to need to work.
	That's the economic reality.
	But a woman's money or her success doesn't make her more attractive to men.
	Whereas the same isn't really true in the opposite direction.
	Now, I know most of you, a lot of you are young, you're in college, you probably don't give a fuck about, oh my God, he's got a great job.
	You don't care.
	You're dating college guys.
	They're broke.
	You probably don't care.
	You're just like, he's fun.
	He's cool.
	He's hot.
	That's probably all you care about.
	Maybe he's a good person.
	The dream.
	You know, not very few men at the college age already are millionaires.
	If they are, fantastic.
	But it's at least the dream or the ambition of, hey, I'm broke right now, but I want to start a business and I want to care for you and your family.
	And I am 19 years old, so I don't have that yet, but I'm going to start that.
	That's what my boyfriend is.
	I would argue perhaps ambition as a woman gets older becomes a bit more of a priority.
	I think most 18, 19, 20 year old women are going to prioritize fun, good personality, hot.
	I don't think most really you.
	No, I have dated people who have had no ambition and it is terrible.
	I need someone who I'm not suggesting that they have no ambition, but I don't know.
	Well, that's something I definitely look for, that and intellect.
	You need to be emotionally emotionally intelligent too.
	You need to be able to communicate.
	You need to have a plan for a future.
	We'll talk about emotional intelligence.
	I also think that also depends slightly on the way that you were raised and brought up, in my opinion.
	But just to finish my point here on this, so as a man, if you want to get romantic attention from the opposite sex, not to say, look, you could be broke and fucking pulling, but for most men, women place, I would say women, it's actually women who uphold this.
	We were talking about who set that up.
	Women, even in 2025, women have had the vote for 100 years.
	This idea that there's some evil patriarchy that's like insisting that men pay for first dates.
	It's actually just women's own individualistic preferences, that there's a tendency towards wanting men to pay for first dates.
	You enjoy the benefit of not having to pay for the date.
	Women uphold this.
	There's no like evil male conspiracy to be like, hey, men, we all want to waste money on dates.
	Not at all.
	It's actually women who uphold this.
	So for a guy to be able to, and really from pretty much anywhere across the board, for a guy to get laid, for a guy to get romantic interest back from a woman, for a guy to get into a relationship, for a guy to get eventually get married, he has to, there's a financial component to that.
	Like, if I want to go on a date with a girl, maybe, look, I'll frame it like this.
	Let's say 50% of this country is conservative.
	99% of conservative women want men to pay for first dates.
	And then the other 50% of women are liberal.
	Even liberal women, progressive women, Kamala voters, Democrats, even liberal women love the benefits of traditional gender dynamics so long as it benefits them.
	So even liberal women, yeah, a guy should pay for the first aid.
	I'm not saying all, but even if I were to be conservative and say, you know what, it's of the 50% of the women who are liberal, 20%.
	Well, so I guess, here, let's just say 50% of liberal women want men to pay for first dates, right?
	You can bicker with me on that if you think it's less or you think it's more.
	That means 75% of women have an expect one-directional gender expectation that men pay for first aids.
	Okay.
	You've just introduced finances mattering when it comes to dating, getting laid, getting a relationship.
	So finances are absolutely inextricably linked from dating, even casual dating.
	So I see the paradox you're trying to bring up, and I cannot speak for myself.
	The paradox of, no, no, no, I understand what you mean, like feminism or providing for yourself, but enjoying the benefits of traditional values that are seen in conservatism.
	I cannot speak on that.
	I can only speak from my own experiences.
	I have never, like I said, never had a formal date.
	Every time something has happened, I've paid for it just out of the love and care.
	Money does not matter to me.
	It is loyalty because that is harder and harder to find, especially knowing that in our generation, materialism, it goes both ways.
	On a broad generalization, like I said, there are exceptions.
	We have a lot of exceptions in this room, including myself, including her.
	There's materialism that goes both ways.
	You know the reason I haven't had that many partners?
	I've had two or three.
	I don't really show my body.
	And that is what men seek out.
	That is what men desire.
	I'm a little stinky.
	I do fairly quote-unquote boyish masculine stuff.
	But when it comes down to I am loyal and I'm feminine in my essence when I am loved and cared for.
	We, how do I explain this?
	I did not develop masculinity, or in other words, this cover, to gain male attention.
	It was to avoid male advantage.
	You know what I mean?
	I cover myself up to avoid objectification.
	That's a whole other train of thought, but the materialism itself goes both ways.
	There is, I guess, on a very broad sense.
	So, just to be clear, you're like, what do you think about Muslim-majority countries where the women cover up?
	I mean, I'm not sure.
	Are you in favor of?
	I mean, the United States is pretty liberal on this.
	Like, we don't have requirements to wear hijab.
	We don't have requirements to wear that sort of Muslim garb.
	So, would you be, are you, but there's rampant objectification in the United States.
	So, are you just curious?
	Are you more, which way do you lean?
	Like, well, on one hand, how do you balance women's freedom to dress as they like?
	The United States, women can dress however they want, but that entails like some degree of objectification.
	There's objectification either way.
	I was dressed exactly like this when I was sexually abused when I was 12, and I don't mean to start like trauma dumping, but it does not matter your clothes.
	I'm sorry.
	But I mean this to say, Muslim women will still get raped, they'll still get sexually assaulted, they'll still get abused no matter what you're wearing.
	I'm covered head to toe, and that abuse will still happen.
	So, objectively.
	The reason in these Muslim countries they do this is to prevent.
	Well, I mean, there's actually quite a bunch of reasons, but one of the, even if it's an unintended consequence, would be the limiting of sexual objectification of women.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, well, I'm a little bit confused here, though.
	You said that it's so, so men, you dress the way you do, so men don't objectify you.
	You said that that's what men do.
	Men just objectify women if they're wearing like a tank top.
	I guess I don't know why that's.
	I don't mean that entirely, but the generalizations go both ways.
	So, are women like perfect angels that don't objectify men?
	No, not at all.
	That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
	On a broad sense, now, like I said, there are exceptions on men's case and women's case.
	It is human to have bias and to have very fast assessments because It was about survival.
	Let's date back millions, let's sorry, not millions.
	Let's date back several millennia to hunter-gatherer situations.
	Men looked at the size of a woman's hips to determine if those hips could bear his children because back then it was about survival.
	Same thing with a man's strength, with a man's ability to carry a deer on his back.
	This is some amygdala.
	I don't know how to explain this.
	This is innate, you know?
	So I don't think it's the bias that we should keep attacking on each other.
	Men objectify women.
	Women objectify men.
	This and this and this.
	There's a middle ground to this.
	And I believe that's what should be focused on in saying that.
	Where are you right now?
	I don't know.
	You're not really addressing any of my central points or arguments here.
	I'm just trying to make a statement and try to find some sort of middle ground.
	So this is.
	Yeah, but the width of women's hips, birthing hips, I'm a little confused.
	Because I'm saying generalization and bias and judgment.
	It is innate.
	Okay.
	You were talking about materialism with finance.
	Well, yeah, I was going to make my motivation point, but I'll get to that in a moment here.
	Message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Many ambitious men are now older, divorced, and lost half, if not most, of their hard-earned wealth to women who wanted men with ambition.
	Others gained families with traditional non-feministic women.
	Good point.
	Yeah, maybe just don't get married, gentlemen.
	Don't get married.
	I disagree.
	Yeah, I mean, wholeheartedly.
	Well, I guess really quick, once she's back from the bathroom, I want to finish up my point about men's and women's different motivation because I didn't finish my point on that.
	But really quick to do a segue on marriage.
	Tell me what I, as a man, what do I get in marriage that I can't get from a long, like forever girlfriend?
	Tax benefits.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Sex for some people.
	Sex?
	Yeah, some people wait until marriage.
	Oh, okay.
	Sure, if you're Christian.
	What about from a secular perspective, though?
	Are you Christian?
	I'm a Christian, yeah.
	Do you wait until marriage?
	So you're a virgin?
	Yes, I would like to.
	Are you a virgin?
	I'm not.
	What denomination of Christianity are you?
	I'm non-denominational.
	Non-denomin.
	I just, I'm not.
	How long have you been celibate?
	I don't know.
	Oh my gosh.
	Maybe three years since my three years?
	Wait, so hold on.
	You were.
	You said you were initially you said you were single for three years, but there was a guy who you dated for like three months, six months, and then so neither of those two guys you referenced.
	Okay.
	Okay, well, that's a different topic, but so you are 100% waiting until marriage then?
	I would like to.
	You would like to.
	Okay.
	Well, okay.
	I suppose that's a compelling argument if you're a Christian man, but I think the greater argument if you're a Christian would be, I mean, that's it's beyond just sex while you get married as a Christian man.
	So what about from a secular perspective, though?
	What can I get out of marriage that I can't, if I just stay with a girl for the rest of my life, but we never get married?
	I'm not secular, so I don't know.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, so I guess, so then aside from what do get men get out of marriage besides fulfilling like a component of their religious faith and sex, I guess.
	I think marriage represents the highest version of love.
	I think marriage in and of itself is sacred and there is sanctity in it.
	And it's not just about religion and it's not just about children, but it's about mission and it's about purpose.
	And if you are married to the right person, key word, right person, then it can be a very beautiful and fruitful thing, not just for you yourself, but for everybody that you're surrounded by or who's surrounded by you.
	It's greater than just two people, in my opinion.
	But I mean, from a secular perspective, if I just, I can't actually think of a difference if I just stay with my girlfriend for the rest of my life and we have kids versus get married.
	Like, there's actually no difference.
	I think there's putting a higher amount of trust into that person.
	It's the ultimate form of commitment.
	It's sacred.
	It's spiritual bonding.
	I think there's a higher level of trust if you don't get married.
	How so?
	Oh, sure.
	Well, once, so I think when there becomes a basically, if you get married and you're the breadwinner, and a woman could be the breadwinner.
	So this could be an issue for women too.
	And women do end up sometimes paying alimony and this sort of thing.
	It does sort of put an extra incentive.
	So if you're vaguely unhappy in the marriage, if there's this idea of, well, if I leave, I'm going to reap certain financial benefits through alimony, community property.
	I almost feel like that that pushes can actually be the thing that pushes someone over the edge into getting a divorce, into the breakup of the marriage.
	So I actually think that there can be a compelling argument in the other direction that if you can't get anything financially out of breaking up with your boyfriend, you're less reason to do it then.
	See what you're trying to say?
	Like the binding can lead to being trapped and shackled in this.
	Whereas with a boyfriend, you can break up with them at any time.
	With a husband or a wife, there's it's almost like you're locked in, you know?
	Well, I mean, people get divorced all the time, but I think the thing is, is that, like, let's say you're dating a guy and you're not married, it would seem like, you know, maybe you're just vaguely unhappy.
	There's no abuse.
	He's not cheating.
	He takes care of the kids fine.
	But you're just vaguely, you know, whatever.
	I'm a bit unhappy.
	Vaguely unhappy, right?
	Oh, and if I divorce him, I get alimony for 10 years and I get 50%.
	That what could have been worked out in just a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship, maybe, ooh, that money looks really good, and I can fuck new people.
	I mean, okay.
	I think if you're only intending on being married for materialistic reasons, like assets, like homes, like whatever the person has, and you're one either with the wrong person or your intentions are not right to, you're not in the position to be married.
	Does that make sense?
	Okay, well, hold on.
	Right.
	Okay, so everybody here, all the women here are fine signing a prenup?
	My current situation.
	My current situation said, asked me to, and I said yes.
	I mean, we have some really angelic women here at the table, but if I actually draw my attention to what actually play like realistically plays out when it comes to divorce, women don't seem particularly generous when the lawyer gets involved and the lawyer says, by the way, you're owed, not just your husband can be a nice guy.
	No, no, no.
	You're entitled to and you're owed alimony for this many years.
	Thousand bucks a month, two thousand bucks a month.
	You get fifty, and fifty percent of the house, fifty percent of the car, fifty percent of XYZ.
	Lawyers are going to be very convincing.
	Lawyer, you know, maybe you're a really, as a woman, you know, you're very angelic and you would never think about demanding or wanting your entitlements when it comes to divorce.
	But invariably, it seems to be the case that when women do get divorced, all of a sudden they start talking about what they're owed.
	So we can, you know, maybe you guys are all outliers here and you would never demand anything in a marriage, but it seems.
	Go ahead.
	What if they're like a stay-at-home mom?
	Then I feel like the assets should be divided because perhaps.
	Yeah, then I think.
	I think situations such as those are only acceptable, like if, you know, you guys are high school sweethearts, for instance, right?
	And then you go through life and you have your kids and everything is la-di-da, but then, you know, you guys stop having things in common, you know, life starts lifing and your kids grow up and then you have like nothing in common and like one party chooses to seek out another person, for instance.
	You know, I then think that that's an acceptable reason if you're older, if you're not, you know what I mean?
	For things like that.
	But if any other circumstance, then I do think it's wrong.
	Then I do think it's wrong.
	What's wrong?
	Sorry.
	To go after somebody for monetary reasons alone.
	Well, I mean, you might say it's wrong, but it seems like women are not shy about doing this in the event of divorces.
	Women frequently attempt to get alimony, do community property.
	And look, maybe you're a good-hearted woman.
	You're like, you know what?
	I'll go my way.
	You go your way.
	Except when that lawyer who has a financial incentive, because he'll get some sort of, either he'll get paid more hourly or he'll get some, you know, I don't know if they do portions of it.
	They get some degree of the settlement or whatever.
	They have a massive incentive.
	Lawyers are incredibly convincing.
	They're skilled in the art of rhetoric.
	And like a naive woman who's going through the divorce process who's not familiar with the family court system, she's going to probably defer to him on this.
	Or, well, whether the lawyer's a man or woman, she's going to defer to the lawyer.
	And the lawyer's going to be like, hey, look, you know, I know you're not really, you know, but you are entitled to XYZ.
	And we're just trying to protect you and look out for your financial interests.
	Your husband's trying to screw you over here in the divorce.
	Lawyers are going to be very convincing.
	And law women who might otherwise have good intentions.
	You know what?
	Okay, go ahead.
	And the other thing here is even if even if you're a Christian woman, in the event of a divorce, really your faith isn't what oversees the divorce proceeding.
	The state oversees the divorce proceedings and the state dictates that there's certain laws.
	And, you know, you're sighing over there.
	Why is that?
	Why are you sighing?
	If I get married, divorce isn't on the table.
	That's what I was going to say, also.
	Okay, well, same for me.
	Same for me.
	Absolutely not.
	You know, the amount of restoration that has to go down in the spirit, like the spiritual realm, God has to restore everything that is broken in a divorce because a marital covenant is a sacred act under God.
	That's right.
	That represents the love Jesus has for his bride.
	I mean, just not going to happen.
	To me, divorce is not on the table unless there's like actual real harm being inflicted to either you, the other party, or children.
	I think that's the only acceptable.
	Sure, if there's abuse, absolutely.
	Yeah, that's it.
	What if, though, under your guys's perspective, well, I'll actually just ask everybody: how about this scenario?
	You're married to a guy, you have kids.
	He's not abusive.
	He's not emotionally abusive, verbally abusive.
	He's not physically abusive, none of these.
	He's loyal to you.
	He treats the kids fantastically, but you're just vaguely unhappy.
	He's a nice guy.
	He treats you well, but you're vaguely unhappy.
	Two questions.
	Have you ever been in a relationship or dating a guy where the guy was loyal to you?
	He wasn't abusive in any sort of way, but you just were vaguely unhappy.
	Let's start there and then I'll ask the follow-up question.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And I think that had to do with me.
	Well, I've never been in a relationship.
	Well, whatever.
	Any guy?
	No.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	Vaguely.
	Can I ask?
	Did you break up with the guy?
	Well, it wasn't just because of that, but we did end up breaking up, obviously.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	No, I'm currently in it.
	So no.
	Okay.
	But never?
	No.
	You've never.
	There's a guy you were dating.
	You know, he wasn't abusive, treated you well, loyal.
	No.
	So every single guy who hasn't abused you and has been loyal, there's never just been like a loss of something, loss of connection.
	Of course.
	There's always been abuse.
	Of course.
	No, I think it's not.
	I mean, listen, we're people and we're humans and we go through things and we have experiences that take from us and that give to us.
	And there are always going to be points in our lives when, you know, we feel better than normal.
	I'm at a super low low right now.
	You know what I mean?
	In my personal life.
	However, I'm still maintaining whatever relationship I have because to me, it's more worthwhile to save something than just to move on, in my opinion.
	Okay.
	Well, I guess the question here is then the follow-up question.
	If you're married, assuming all those things, he's loyal, treats the kids well, he's not abusive to you in any sort of way, but you're just, you've fallen out of love with him.
	Is divorce warranted?
	Sorry, you lost me.
	I'm still trying to stay awake.
	I'm so sorry.
	Say that question one more time.
	I'm trying to stay locked in.
	I've been up for like 24 hours.
	I've had three energy drinks.
	All right.
	Come back to me.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	I'd say, like, obviously, it depends on situation to situation.
	You're married.
	I'm married.
	You're married and you have.
	I know some of you said you don't want kids, so whatever your circumstance is, but let's assume two kids treats the kids well.
	He's loyal, treats you well, but you've fallen out of love with him.
	I think does it warrant a divorce?
	If you try to fix it and you can't fix it, then yeah.
	Yeah.
	Maybe I'm just like really young, but I feel like if I'm whoever I marry, I know like I know they're gonna meet my partner for life, and I feel like I would be with them for a long time before I get married to them.
	So like I don't know if I could ever two years, three years, four years, five years later, things change, fall out of love.
	I mean, yeah, if I wasn't happy, then I would, but I don't know if I would ever have married that person.
	The divorce rate, I think it's what, over 50% or something.
	You know, some people probably make mistakes when they get married, but I feel like most people when they get married, I don't think they're thinking like I think they're pretty certain.
	Like, this is my person.
	One, two, three, four, five, six, however many years goes by.
	Nope.
	So like, I don't think people get married like going in with the expectation of like, by the way, I'm getting, I'm going to get a divorce.
	I don't think they go into it with that expectation, but what about you?
	Absolutely.
	Divorce warranted?
	Absolutely not.
	Okay, no.
	Stay with him.
	What about you?
	I wouldn't get a divorce because I think that you can work on those things.
	I think you go in and out of happiness throughout a very long relationship.
	I think my happiness is based on my own mental state and that I'm responsible for me.
	He's responsible for him.
	And I think you can work at falling back into love.
	I think even if it takes 10 years, 15 years, I would keep working at that because we'd probably have a family and a life built together.
	And I think things like loyalty and commitment are more important.
	That's exactly.
	I think it warrants for divorce.
	Warrants for divorce.
	I agree.
	What do you think?
	No.
	Stay with him.
	Okay.
	Here, I want to get back.
	There's one thing I wanted to finish off on.
	We had some chats coming through.
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Sorry for the delay, Pasty.
	There's another one, too.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Such a...
	Such a pessimist.
	Totally.
	However, if they do, let's hope they at least do a prenup.
	Otherwise, they're fucked.
	Pasty, have you ever been married?
	Have you been married?
	How many, to Pacey, you're, oh, such a, oh, so.
	Pacey, you probably dropped like 2,500 already just on this night, dude.
	Hey, this is nothing.
	This is like a couple bucks to him.
	Maybe he's a billionaire.
	He's got some money.
	He's got Buku Bucks.
	Buku, he's Canadian, dropping a little French there.
	Buku Bucks.
	Pasty, do you also speak a little bit of French?
	Just a message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty.
	George donated $200.04.
	Thank you, man.
	Chair one.
	My mother was a residential school survivor and became a feminist because of it.
	You claim that you suffered similar trauma, and that is why you hide your femininity and embrace feminism.
	Where did residential school survivor come from, Mr. Pasty George?
	I had my feminine for a long string of reasons, and because, you know, don't want drama dump, I'll just keep it planned for it.
	Oh my lord, crazy.
	I was bullied out of my femininity.
	I was actually a very feminine kid.
	Very, you know, my birth name's Sophie, but I went by Sophia.
	I wore tiaras and everything, and I was bullied for it.
	I was called too weak, too sensitive.
	I had man up that I was a crybaby.
	I was too emotional.
	So I had it bullied out of me.
	So I lost touch with my femininity at a very young age.
	This is just to answer your question.
	This is on a whole different ramble.
	So I developed a masculine coat because it wasn't girls bullying me.
	It was dudes bullying me, saying, I'm too girly.
	I got to man up.
	And so I did man up, but I was still taking advantage of my femininity.
	So it doesn't do anything at the end of the day.
	part of my coming of age experience in the past like 17 18 19 has been trying to embrace my feminine from the inside out from more of a oh jayek in donate yo Yo, Jay, thank you, man.
	Shout out to Grid One Motorsports in the studio.
	Can we get him on the panel?
	Shout out to the Discord gang.
	Yeah, we'll do JC for tomorrow.
	Yo, shout out JC.
	Thank you, Jay.
	Yeah, we'll have Grid One do a little cameo later.
	A little later in the show, we'll do a little cameo.
	He'll come say hi for a sec.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Darius Monk with a Canadian 200.
	Chair Theory is an example of Brian's point about the need to be raised by a stay-at-home mom.
	Her mother selfishly prioritized her career over raising her.
	Therefore, she imprinted the same.
	Monkey see, monkey do.
	Mother avoiding responsibility begets daughter avoiding responsibility.
	Don't shoot the messenger.
	Do you have a response to Darius?
	I mean, I don't know what, like, if there's anything wrong with me.
	I think I'm an independent woman.
	I'm in college and I did well in high school.
	Like, I don't think it's anything wrong with what I've been doing in my life.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There it is, Darius.
	I don't know if you have a follow-up for her, but there it is.
	Okay, I need to get up momentarily.
	Felicity is going to...
	Felicity is going...
	Oh, wait, no, I need to finish my point about motivation, and then we'll get into some of the other questions here.
	So I guess we kind of got a little sidetracked there.
	I was finishing the thing about motivation.
	Just really quick, though.
	So my original claim was men are more motivated to make money.
	Some of you disagreed, just curious going around the table.
	You disagree?
	I didn't disagree, but I neither agreed.
	I think men are more motivated by the binary to provide.
	I don't know if that necessarily means material in the modern day.
	That does mean money.
	But I think I agree and disagree, but that's a whole other train of thought, but you can continue.
	Similar.
	And then also, I think it really depends on how you're raised.
	Like, I'm way more motivated by money than my twin brother.
	So.
	Yeah, I understand that there are women who are super motivated and there are men who are lazy.
	I would say, just as a sort of average or general principle, I would say that I think men are more motivated, generally speaking.
	Not to say there's men or there's women at this table who are probably more motivated than plenty of men, but your thoughts?
	I would say yes.
	I feel like you have to give it a few more decades to see because I feel like only the past few decades women have really been finally encouraged to be motivated and to seek out more than they ever been used to.
	So I feel like right now, yes.
	But if you give it a few more decades in time, you'll see a difference.
	Yes, I think men are primarily biologically wired to protect, provide, and lead.
	However, I will say that nowadays in today's current society, I definitely see that things are changing.
	And I think they will continue to change and adapt.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	Yeah, I agree that things are changing, but there still is that society.
	There's too many agrees.
	So you agree with her, you agree with her, you agree with me, men are more motivated.
	What do you agree with?
	I agree, men are wired to provide.
	I agree with men are wired to provide.
	Yeah, I think they're wired to provide.
	And that, yes, there has been an uprise on women becoming more motivated to do more entrepreneurial things and make money.
	But I do think that there's still that societal pressure that, you know, men kind of grow up learning like you need to be the provider and make money, things like that, along with like a biological and a biological way as well.
	Your thoughts?
	Yes, I agree with you.
	Okay.
	I'll give a quick response, then I'll let you go.
	My primary argument here as to why I think this is the case, I think I kind of basically already made it, but if we look at our biological imperatives, survive, reproduce.
	So both men and women, you need to make money to survive.
	Food, house, etc.
	All those things.
	So I'd be prepared to grant that the survival motivation is probably equal between men and women.
	But added on top of that would be the, I guess, the reproduce side of the biological imperative.
	Men, generally speaking, are not assessing women for their ability to financially provide.
	It can be a nice little extra bonus.
	Like if she, sometimes it can actually be a detriment for some men who are more traditional minded.
	The career boss babe can actually be a negative versus a positive.
	Overwhelmingly, though, I would say men prioritize other things in terms of what they find attractive in women.
	I'm not even talking about looks necessarily.
	I'm talking about other characteristics, other personality traits than like ambition, success, et cetera, et cetera.
	Well, I think men can want a woman who's ambitious, just perhaps ambitious in other ways, like family ambition.
	You know, you could be health-oriented ambition.
	But career ambition, typically not a massive priority for men.
	Also, there's just a women, not all women, but a good amount of women.
	I'd say the majority of women do have certain gendered expectations that men provide.
	Even if it's just he pays for the first date, then we're 50-50 from there on out.
	Even this would create enough of a shift, enough of a motivation, I think, albeit minor, for men to just be more motivated to make money.
	Because I think both men and women, but you could even argue, I think men are more romantically motivated.
	Men are more, like for, well, I think you could word that a little bit differently.
	Romantically motivated.
	I take issue with what you said.
	Wait, I didn't hear him.
	Sorry.
	You say men are more what?
	Well, you said men are more romantically motivated to do what?
	To provide?
	No, no.
	So I would say I think men.
	Well, how about this?
	This is an easy one.
	I think men are more sexually motivated.
	Oh, for sure.
	And so, like, for sure.
	Sorry.
	Like, for most men, probably like first few steps to even if you're just like strictly looking for casual sex, but there are men who want the tilde package.
	They want the girlfriend, but obviously they want sex too.
	Men are just testosterone.
	Men are have higher sex drives than women.
	Not to say that women love sex.
	I'm not saying that men generally, on average, have higher sex drives than women.
	Yes.
	And like if the bottleneck to getting sex is, okay, well, take me on three dates and you have to pay.
	I'm not, by the way, I'm not saying that that's like verbatim what women are saying, but just an approximation of the dynamic.
	If the bottlenecks of getting sex as a man is you have to be somewhat financially coherent and like be able to afford the first date and pay for the first date.
	And also I think women are, you know, there's other factors that can make a man appealing besides just his willingness to pay for the first date, but being also financially secure is another component.
	Then men will do the thing that gets them the girlfriend or do the thing that gets them a sex.
	Whereas for women, I don't think you're like, if you want to just get laid, your money, I know most women, you probably want the boyfriend too, but if you're just trying to get laid, the man does not care whatsoever.
	He's not going to praise you on your money when it comes to getting laid.
	If that's what I'm saying.
	He can praise you on your body and how you do yourself up and how you dumb yourself down.
	Dumb yourself down.
	I don't know.
	I just wanted to bring up the point that seems like a trope.
	No, I mean, at least I've seen men want a physically attractive woman, but submissive to the point of being stupid because women having intellect, I'm not talking about feminine, I'm just talking about intellectual women, scare men.
	No, I completely disagree.
	I think actually high intelligence is incredibly attractive for a couple of reasons, but I think primarily if you want to, well, if you want to, at least when it comes to having kids, if you want to confer the maximum benefits to your kids, it would be like good looking and smart.
	Like, I want high IQ children.
	So, like, this idea that men just want like drooling, dumbass women, I'm not actually sure that's the case.
	Like, maybe for casual sex, maybe.
	But, like, actual long-term relationship, if she's a pleasant woman and she's high IQ, not a problem whatsoever.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so going back to what a few of you guys said, I actually disagree that it is a biological thing.
	I think that men learn this through their environment.
	And men learn what?
	Like that they need to be providers.
	Like you guys are saying that they're wired to do that.
	And I think that it's something that goes back so far in history.
	It's conditioned.
	It's conditioned, exactly.
	And that also kind of relates.
	No, I'm talking.
	That kind of relates to your point as well.
	Clarifying question, Brian.
	That relates to your point as well, that you're saying women have these expectations because men force that kind of.
	They enforce it.
	Yeah, they enforce it.
	Men enforce it.
	Enforce and the force.
	How do men enforce it?
	This is completely gynocentric thing.
	Can I finish talking?
	Well, I was responding to your point.
	I'm not done, though.
	So finish your point.
	What I was saying was that men have these expectations.
	They're learned, they're conditioned to want to provide.
	Okay.
	So that being said, women are then kind of forced into that as well, to being the more submissive or the person who doesn't go out, make money, provide.
	They have these expectations.
	So they are telling a woman to stay at home or to not get a job.
	Like this is, you're kind of saying that it's all on women, but it's really not.
	Well, I didn't actually say that it's what you've been implying, though.
	Well, I'm saying that this is something that women do tend to uphold.
	But I'm not saying it's strictly women or strictly men.
	I think there's a shared responsibility as it relates to this.
	I think that's just important to keep in mind, though.
	You were responding to them saying they said that there's a nature component.
	So I think that it's, I don't know if it's exactly 50-50, but I think that there's both a nature and a nurture component.
	But you think when it comes to like men paying for dates and women having an expectation that men pay for dates, do you think it's only nurture?
	I think it's a very high percentage nurture.
	We can all agree that this is a mix of nurture and nature.
	It's just the perception that is there.
	Why do women find tall men attractive?
	Well, that is a biological thing.
	I love my short games, actually.
	I'm with the perspective of that.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	But women have higher faculties and women have intellect, and they can come to a determination that, well, hold on.
	A man's height has actually really no bearing on really anything.
	It has no bearing on his goodness.
	It has no bearing on his virtue.
	It has no bearing on really anything.
	He can be a high earner.
	He can protect you, et cetera, et cetera.
	So it's interesting, though.
	Women's attraction to tall men, That's nature.
	Right.
	Like I said, it's both.
	I think it's a very, very high percentage nurture, though, in your environment, how you grow up.
	Well, I mean, if it's nature there, then I would say it's also nature that women are drawn to men who can provide and protect.
	Just going to chime in and say that I love my short kings.
	Thank you.
	It's not, by the way, to be clear, I don't know the exact breakdown, but I think it's a combination of nature and nurture.
	I don't think it's just social programming.
	It's both.
	And can I say that I think that to your point about how most men don't necessarily care about like how much, like how much a woman earns, for instance, like in her career, in her job, et cetera.
	Maybe it's controversial.
	I'm sure it is.
	But I think that if a man does put a very high emphasis on this, that it shows signs of femininity.
	And I'm just going to say what I said.
	I mean, I also, it's a fair point.
	It's a good point.
	I think that the more money a man makes, in fact, the less he cares.
	Whereas it's a bit the reverse, actually.
	The more money a woman makes, even if she has the capacity to fully provide, like, let's say she's a super high earner, she makes a million dollars a year.
	She's a high-powered attorney.
	She's not going to go date a male barista.
	Right.
	She's going to look for somebody who's also high-powered and high-earning too.
	She's going to say, I want equal to or more.
	That's right.
	Whereas a man's like, so when a man makes a bunch of money, his dating pool just opens up massively.
	When women start making more money, their dating pool shrinks because I mean, unless you're willing as a woman, high-powered attorney to go date.
	Like, for example, the doctor, he'll date nurses.
	He'll date the receptionist.
	Right.
	Female doctor, she wants another doctor.
	She wants an attorney.
	Now, look, there's exceptions.
	There's always exceptions to the rule.
	But once women make money, they want a guy on her level.
	Like, I'm a pretty decently high earner.
	I'll date a girl who works at Chick-fil-A.
	Don't care.
	It's not even.
	Look, don't have like an insane amount of debt or something.
	Of course.
	But I mean, look, if she's really amazing, whatever.
	You got 100K of debt, whatever.
	But like, you would really be okay with that?
	If she's like amazing otherwise, 100K, whatever.
	If she fits all, like, checks their box, fantastic.
	Yeah, yeah, if she's nice, wants kids and values.
	You'd be like, you would expect.
	100K of debt, whatever.
	Don't care.
	Okay.
	Don't care.
	Okay.
	But I mean, that's fair.
	Like, ideally, at least no debt.
	Yeah.
	But okay, you have like 100 bucks in your savings account.
	Don't get, don't care.
	Can we have a career?
	You work at Chick-fil-A?
	Don't care.
	I think that the fundamental male need to provide is a very rocky gray combination of nurture and nature.
	We can all agree that it is both.
	Now, the percentage varies.
	I think it is, but I think other people think it's mostly there is a nurture aspect and there is a nature aspect.
	Can we all agree that to some way or another, there's a nurture and nature aspect?
	I agree.
	Well, I think she thinks it's mostly nurture.
	Okay, we're talking about a combination.
	But we're saying that whether the percentage is 10 and 90, 80, 20, it doesn't matter.
	There is nurture and there is nature.
	Well, I'm like this common ground thing.
	So this idea that, okay, well, if there's a massive difference between isn't this how debate works?
	We try to find some sort of like there's a massive difference between it something being 99% nature and 1% nurture and something being 50% nurture, 50% nature.
	That's like massive.
	99% is basically 100%.
	I know.
	Sometimes it's nice to establish what it is we agree on so we can kind of get more into the specifics of Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
	We agree that it is nurture and nature, correct?
	Can we just say that?
	Yeah, I don't even understand this line of logic, though.
	So, okay.
	Like, can we find some common ground between Republicans and Democrats?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Like, should we like get rid of, like, should murderers go to prison?
	Like, 99% of Democrats and Republicans probably agree.
	Like, who cares, though?
	I don't know.
	Just something about this feels so cyclical.
	Like, I'm trying to sit here.
	Like, isn't the point of a debate to find, okay, agree to disagree?
	Nope.
	You know?
	No, no, no, not at all.
	That's not the point.
	Any sort of compromise, any sort of, hey, you have a differing opinion that I do based on your experience.
	You have a differing opinion than I do based on your experience.
	Here's where we are alike.
	Here's where we differ.
	Here's why we differ.
	It just feels like we're just trying to argue instead of debate.
	Let's find some sort of common ground and understand.
	Conversation might be the common ground thing, but when you're actually debating, unless through my rhetorical prowess, if I can change your mind, but this whole agree to disagree, nah, I'm good.
	What's the point?
	What does that even mean?
	Agree to.
	Okay, so you still believe what you believe.
	I believe what, but we agree that we both disagree.
	I think she wants to find, you're trying to find a common ground.
	I'm trying to find some sort of way.
	Like, I've been able to, from what you have explained, I'm understanding a little bit of the male perspective more, but it seems like through all the women that have come through your podcast, it seems like we haven't been able to show you at least a little bit of what it is like to be a woman.
	Oh, I've heard from thousands, over a thousand people.
	Yet you still uphold a lot of these like art complications.
	Wait, so I don't understand the entailment here.
	So the entailment is, I need to change my position.
	Why can't they change their position?
	How about we both do it a little bit?
	That's kind of a whole common ground thing.
	My mind has changed a little bit.
	Let's hope yours is too.
	That's kind of where we meet in the middle.
	This is cyclical.
	No, I believe you can be firm in your beliefs and stay true to what you believe in.
	There we go.
	So I don't understand this virtue signal of like, well, we can like sing kumbaya and like agree, like agree to disagree and all come.
	Okay, yeah.
	Let's find common ground.
	It's like, I'm fine with common ground, but your common ground seems that you're trying to establish with the like nature versus nurture thing seems like a token.
	It's like technically true, like, but the difference here is she might think that nurture is 90% and I think it's, or 99%, and I think it's 50%.
	So go ahead.
	I think what the main point that she's trying to get across is that this is starting to feel a little bit like an attack rather than a debate.
	And I think we need to kind of have a conversation.
	Yeah, we're having a conversation.
	It doesn't feel like an attack.
	It just feels like we're going in circles.
	And I think let's try to bring some other thoughts in the, not some other, I guess.
	Yeah, we've got other.
	Well, I mean, we have other topics, but to your point, the point of debate is not, I'm going to completely change my worldview to accommodate your differing position.
	And mine vice versa.
	That's yeah, but the point of debate, I mean, unless your debate opponent is.
	Most people, even if they can be like proven wrong logically, are going to stick to their guns.
	The point of debate, I'm not here to convince any of you.
	I'm here really to put on a fun show, but to convince the audience, to convince the audience.
	I don't go into these ever expecting to change somebody's mind.
	If I do, great.
	But most people are so, so hopelessly inured to their own.
	You're so hopelessly a nerd to your worldview that you're not going to, like, even if I provide compelling logic, you're not going to change your perspective.
	I don't really care, though.
	How do you know that?
	I just haven't seen proof of that compelling logic yet.
	If anybody has noticed, I've already shifted a little bit of my mentality to understand some more traditional values that maybe I didn't see at first.
	Isn't that better than good?
	I love you for that.
	Good, congratulations.
	Can I just say, I think men and women are inherently different.
	However, so both things can be true.
	However, we each need each other.
	I mean, let's face it, like a world full of women alone is going to be caddy BS.
	You know what I mean?
	No, it truly is.
	And then a world full of women.
	We should ask the other women that.
	Okay, well, can I ask you a question?
	Because let me just finish on it.
	And then a world full of men alone is going to be completely lonely.
	Well, I'd actually like to ask the women this because I actually hear this feminist talking point.
	Like me as men, I would never want 50% of the population to disappear.
	Women are great.
	Don't think the world would be better without women.
	We need women, et cetera, et cetera.
	However, I hear a lot of, and you guys might object to this, but feminist position that the world would be better without men.
	I'd like to ask that question: Would the world be better without men?
	And assume, you know what?
	I'll be charitable.
	Women can just asexually reproduce.
	So you can still have like baby girls, I guess.
	Would the world be better without men?
	No, but the world would be better without toxic masculinity.
	Oh, no.
	But the world would be better without hardcore toxic masculinity and hardcore toxic femininity.
	But to put it shortly, no.
	So better with men.
	Yeah, I think men just need to chill the fuck out a little.
	What do you think?
	That's my standpoint.
	Which wording are you going with?
	Better or worse without with men?
	Would the world be better without men?
	No.
	No.
	Absolutely not.
	No.
	No.
	Definitely not.
	No.
	Okay, pretty reasonable then.
	I don't know where even we're here.
	We have some chats.
	I got to let some chats come through.
	We have Teddy Westside.
	Sorry for the delay, man.
	Appreciate the message.
	You met Ted?
	Some of these women just proved that they are willing to sacrifice their family for their happiness.
	Most men will sacrifice their happiness for their families.
	They chair for that.
	True.
	That's an interesting saying.
	Men will sacrifice their happiness for their family.
	Women will sacrifice their happiness, or sorry, sacrifice their family for their happiness.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Teddy Westside.
	Legend.
	Wait for it.
	Dairy.
	Teddy West.
	How about your mother?
	If a man could sleep with a woman in box, he wouldn't buy a house grape panel tonight.
	Chair one, I can smell the cigarette smoke.
	I can't even disagree with you, Mr. Teddy Westside.
	25.
	You can hear it.
	I can confirm that she does not smell like cigarettes.
	I can confirm that I do smell like cigarettes.
	She's quite lovely.
	I like that.
	Thanks, man.
	Should we debate if she smells like cigarettes?
	H.T. George donated $200.
	Oh, God.
	Many men find intelligence in women very appealing and attractive, but they are turned off by intelligent women who are turned into knee tards when infected by feminism.
	Fire.
	Yo.
	Can we go back to the cigarettes?
	Appreciate it, man.
	Feel free to roast me.
	I love it.
	Appreciate it.
	Keep it coming.
	Yeah, man.
	No, you don't.
	It smelled like asbestos, though.
	I explored some abandoned buildings earlier.
	Okay, I could do it.
	You should definitely not smell it more.
	Yeah.
	It's okay.
	It's not good.
	Wait, what?
	It smells like asbestos?
	What?
	Oh, I was exploring some abandoned buildings.
	Oh, you have asbestos?
	Asbestos.
	Great.
	Wonderful.
	That's great.
	Wait, so I had a question for you.
	Yeah.
	So you had said that you would be okay with if she had $100 in her bank account.
	Oh.
	$100 in her bank account and nothing else.
	But you were kind of on the fence and not okay with her having $100,000 in debt.
	Wait a month?
	That's what you said.
	No.
	Wait, yeah, so you said that you were okay if you dated this girl at Chick-fil-A, but you made a lot of money, but the girl at Chick-fil-A only had $100 in her bank account.
	You said that was 100% fine.
	Yeah.
	But you had a slight inclination, like a problem, if she had $100,000 in debt.
	How are these?
	I just want to know.
	are these conflicting no it's for my because i struggle with the debt piece ever since i left onlyfans So I want to know why the $100 is different from the debt to you.
	Well, the difference would be that if she has $100 in her bank account, I guess the entailment there is she doesn't have $100,000 in debt.
	The two are not the same.
	You do realize that, right?
	Yes, yeah.
	I'm just asking why the debt piece was so important to you to just, you were almost to say no, you wouldn't date her.
	Well, okay, I guess I could put it super simply.
	So you have two guys, right?
	One of them has a net worth of $100 and then the and zero debt, and then the other guy has a net worth of negative $100,000.
	That's the issue.
	Okay.
	Well, so I'm just wondering why the debt was just so important to you.
	That's it.
	Well, like in, let's say it's like a traditional marriage dynamic.
	I think, do you take on your partner's debt when you marry them?
	I think.
	I think you do.
	Can.
	I don't know.
	In any case, that would be a financial liability in the relationship.
	I don't really understand what is not.
	I just wanted to know why it was important to you.
	That's all.
	Well, yeah, it would be.
	It's not like a positive thing to have.
	It's not ideal.
	It's not ideal.
	Yeah.
	But because when I left OnlyFans, I had a 780 credit score from last year, but this past year of my life, I've dropped down to a 470 because I had to give up that huge chunk of income and I had like a lot of stuff go wrong.
	Okay.
	So I really would kind of, it would kind of suck if I met someone and they turned me down because I had all this credit, this credit debt that I just obtained.
	Right?
	Okay, I see.
	So that's why I was asking.
	It wasn't anything against your question or why.
	I'm just like for my personal, I'm like, wow, if that's really that important, maybe I should work on it a little harder.
	Well, I mean, I don't know what kind of, I'm assuming you want like a more traditional dynamic.
	You said you're Christian.
	Yeah.
	So like a guy is going to be looking at the liabilities of a woman who he's interested in long-term relationship with.
	Like coming into a relationship with $100,000 of debt.
	And if you're going to be looking to him to like help you with the debt, that's going to have some sort of impact financially on you, the family, on if you're planning on having kids.
	He's going to look at that as a liability.
	And he might say, for example, okay, well, I can just date a woman who has zero debt.
	It would detract her, I would say.
	Yeah, but I don't think it's an imminent no for some guys, depending on how much, you know, depending on the type of guy they are.
	So just depending on what you're doing.
	But what if she was actively working on it?
	Like, I get it.
	I don't know if it's going to be a deal breaker necessarily for a guy, but it depends his financial standing.
	It depends what you're, if you're looking for him to save you, basically.
	I mean, it really depends.
	But I wouldn't say having debt is ever a positive.
	No.
	Like, I don't think it's ever a positive.
	Some guy might be like, whatever.
	I mean, if he otherwise likes you, but that will be that, I mean, it's literally going to be a financial liability in the relationship and in the marriage.
	So I'm trying to think of like a, yeah.
	No, that's fine.
	I just had that question.
	I mean, but I even said like if the woman's perfect, that wouldn't be a deal breaker.
	But the point I was trying to make there was not make a statement about my willingness to date women who have debt.
	My position there was more so to articulate that men really, like in terms of a woman's finances, even if you're a really high-earning guy, it is like the 100K in debt.
	That's obviously less than ideal.
	But men don't care about women's money, really.
	Like if like to the same degree that women care about it.
	Like if again, if you're a doctor, if you're a female doctor, female attorney, really good chance, I don't care if the guy's really cool and good looking, whatever.
	You're probably not dating the guy who works at McDonald's, even if he's like a great guy and good looking or whatever.
	Because I'm so mad at him.
	I'm speaking in generalities here.
	Generalities, yeah, but there are exceptions.
	Some super successful cutthroat lawyer is going to date a manager at McDonald's, I guess.
	I mean, it happens, I guess, but it's the, I'm just doing a comparison here.
	It's way less likely.
	Of course.
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	I don't know that that was directed towards Pacy, but I don't feel attacked at all.
	I feel this is just a normal conversation and debate.
	So I don't know where that came from, but I don't feel attacked at all.
	I don't think anybody here feels attacked.
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	And okay, I need to get up for a sec.
	Felicity, if you want to sit here and then as I get up, you can switch to my seat when she's back.
	If you want to do like this, this stuff, this string of stuff.
	Okay.
	What years were World War I?
	World War I?
	Yeah.
	I'm gonna be dead honest.
	I do not remember.
	1914 through 1917.
	Yes.
	1917.
	Guess.
	1914.
	You're not smart, dude.
	So, and you said 1914 to 1917?
	Yeah, it might have been 1919, but what do you think?
	1914 to 1918.
	I don't know.
	Guess.
	1914.
	Guess.
	Guess?
	Whatever she said.
	She sounded the most accurate.
	Between 1914 and 1918?
	That.
	What do you think?
	1914 to 1918.
	1914 and 1918.
	I'm not sure.
	I know.
	Oh, wait.
	Go.
	Sorry.
	I know that it's early 1900s, so I'm going to say like 1910 to 1915.
	Okay, how about if you know it, for sure?
	Don't say anything.
	Okay.
	Yes, it's 1914 to 1918.
	What about World War II?
	Girl, I don't even remember.
	You gotta guess.
	You gotta guess.
	1931.
	I really couldn't tell you which.
	1931 to when?
	I truly don't know.
	You have to guess.
	This is fun.
	May I ask why?
	The answer is: I don't know.
	I don't remember.
	I'm off zero sleep, and I can't think back to what I learned in freshman year high school.
	How many years do you think it lasted?
	God.
	You're putting me on the spot.
	I don't know.
	Let's give it like five years.
	I truly don't remember.
	I'm not a history buff.
	I don't think you have to be a history buff.
	I just think I remember what happened in high school, which I really don't remember because I all blocked it out of my brain.
	My school was rough.
	Okay, next.
	Around 1939 to 1947.
	Eight.
	Okay, what do you think?
	You know it.
	1938 to 1945.
	Okay, what do you think?
	30 to 45.
	1938 to 1945.
	When you say 1940 to 1945, I think nobody had a right answer.
	What is it?
	1939 to 1945.
	45.
	I said 1940.
	Not too bad.
	Not too bad.
	I said 30.
	One year off.
	Can we not do this?
	Okay.
	More math, please God.
	Don't math.
	Name three countries.
	From what continent?
	Any continent.
	Algeria, Romania, Philippines, Moldova, Germany.
	Only three, only three.
	Don't repeat, guys.
	That's why only three, only three.
	Okay, Philippines, Romania, Moldova.
	Okay.
	Chad, Taiwan, and South Africa.
	India, Japan, and China.
	Italy, France, Spain.
	I was going to say Italy, France, Spain.
	Ireland, Great Britain, or, I mean, Britain, depending on your opinion.
	Portugal.
	Italy, China, France.
	I think China was already said, and Italy.
	And France.
	Oh, well, are we supposed to name ones that aren't?
	You can't repeat.
	Well, I don't know what was said.
	I don't remember.
	Just throw out three new ones.
	Nope, nope.
	Trying to help.
	I don't know.
	I mean, there's a lot of countries.
	You got this.
	You go to UCSB.
	I don't go to UCSB.
	Oh.
	You go to college, right?
	Yeah.
	You go to college.
	They both go to UCSB.
	Yeah.
	Maybe that's why.
	Yeah, that's why.
	I'm just kidding.
	Okay.
	But you have to guess.
	Italy, China, France.
	That's all I know.
	That's all.
	That's all I know.
	Do you know what country you're in right now?
	United States.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and like, what's the one above the U.S.?
	Canada.
	And what's the one below?
	Yeah.
	Below the United States?
	What's below us?
	Um hmm Alaska Antarctica, whatever.
	No, I'm sorry wood.
	No no, like what is below the United States.
	What country?
	I don't know, you don't know.
	No wait, I'm sorry wood.
	Is that like the border?
	You definitely don't know.
	Mexico is not to the side, but well it's, it's there.
	Okay, I helped you with that.
	What's your guess?
	Let's do three, three countries.
	I'll do Korea, Croatia and London's.
	Oh sorry, let's do Korea, Croatia and Kenya.
	Okay sorry, you're so funny.
	Chile, Argentina and Brazil.
	Okay now name, name a continent.
	Let's do Antarctica, get it out the way.
	Asia Africa India, North America.
	We can't skip that.
	What did you say?
	You said India oh, my god yeah, North America.
	I just said North America, South America.
	Okay, you're up.
	Okay, we're not gonna get to all the countries, but there's one left, Russia, or not?
	Countries continents, my bad.
	What'd you say Russia?
	No that's, that's not a country, that's a country.
	I'm gonna make an observation about the way this podcast is set up and designed.
	Australia yeah really, really not a single break it's.
	It's very interesting.
	I've actually, I talked to some girls.
	I was like, is there something I should know about this podcast?
	What's then?
	So I can address it?
	Heard, I just really got a pee okay um, should I do the minimum yearly income?
	Wait, what did you say, Brian?
	That's okay uh, what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	Minimum yearly income?
	Yes uh, if he makes 50 and I make 50, we can make it work.
	So, 50 thousand a year yes yeah, okay.
	Well, that also depends where I'm living like, are we assuming we're living here or wherever you want?
	Where do you want to live?
	I don't know.
	Okay, let's say you're in, you're here, you're in southern California.
	That really just depends on what I'm making, like hopefully similar items, which is like, can you give me a range, hopefully?
	Like well, I mean I want to be making at least like 100k.
	So a hundred probably okay, what about you?
	200 to like 400k?
	Dang girl, that's a lot in southern California.
	I mean I'm not really from here, I don't really know the prices, I'm from Chicago, but I mean like, are you planning to live in southern California?
	Like, is that what your answer is based on?
	Because she was like, oh, the local.
	I mean, it's just in general, it's kind of what it would.
	It would just match my job.
	So, just similar to mine okay, what about you?
	Minimum 80.
	Okay I've dated guys making 200 to millions of dollars so maybe like 200 honestly okay or less 80 to 100.
	I would say in Southern California 3,000 to 500,000 okay next probably 150 to 200 there was some high answers there But honestly, I can't re I'm not gonna debate you guys on that.
	I'm not good at that.
	What's your answer?
	I put 150, I believe, because I'm I live here and I'm from here and I plan on living here.
	I feel like 150 is good for Santa Barbara.
	My answer is lower because I can never see myself living in California.
	I would live in, even if in the States, I'd live in like a rural part of either Montana or Idaho, Colorado.
	But to be honest, I might not even live in the States.
	Montana's beautiful.
	Montana is beautiful.
	I actually applied like complete conversation change.
	If I get this job, oh my god, I'm gonna be a rancher in Montana, dude.
	I'm so stoked.
	That's what I do.
	I do seasonal work.
	Can I just say the cost of living like is exorbitant and absolutely insane?
	And I think we should talk about it because it's truly not okay.
	It's pretty bad.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, come on.
	Yeah, that's kind of why I picked the amount that I picked because I make between 80 and 100K by myself.
	You're scraping by.
	And I can.
	Yeah.
	So it's like to have a whole family and a house and like totally not enough.
	Okay, I have another question.
	Okay.
	Listen.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	Random, random.
	Okay.
	Starting with you, chair one.
	Set me out on the hike.
	How far am I from civilization?
	I mean, black bear or brown bear?
	Doesn't matter.
	it's random um you're let's just say you're on like a bear got kids is the man like Is the man like a gay?
	Like, hey.
	Or is he like a scrumpy guy?
	The man.
	It's like a random man that you would pass on the street.
	Which street, bro?
	There's a lot of types of men out there.
	There's a lot of bears out there.
	Polar bear versus random, like San Francisco gay dude.
	I know.
	We'll choose the gay dude, but if we're talking black bear versus some random Chicago tweaker, yeah, I'm going to choose the black bear.
	The point is that it's random, so you don't know.
	It's random, so I don't know.
	Yeah, it's totally.
	Do I have a weapon on me?
	Well, you're hiking.
	So probably on my hikes, I have taken knives with me.
	Okay.
	No weapon.
	No weapon?
	Whew.
	Okay.
	Fuck.
	It's like a regular hiking trail.
	Okay, I can outclimb a bear.
	Yeah, you're a good climber.
	I'm a good climber, so I'm actually going to choose the bear simply because I have more survival.
	I have a higher survival rate with a bear.
	Why do you think that?
	I can climb like a motherfucker.
	But you're not.
	You know, bears can climb.
	And I can't.
	They can't.
	No, you make a good point.
	I've actually come across a bunch of bears in Colorado, and most of them have been chill.
	They're pretty similar to Gators, actually.
	They just kind of square you up.
	Unless they got kids or unless they're a brown bear.
	But if we're thinking average bear, average bear is a black bear.
	Black bears, as long as you ain't fuck with them, they ain't fuck with you.
	So I'm going to go with the bear.
	Okay.
	That's just my standpoint.
	What's your answer?
	The person.
	The man.
	Yeah, the man.
	The man.
	The man all day, every day.
	The man.
	Man.
	The man all the way.
	So I actually got chased by a black bear up a mountain in New Hampshire.
	So I know firsthand that I'm going to choose the man.
	So you're the only one that picked bear, and you picked bear because why you think the random man is more of a threat?
	It depends.
	If both of them had a threatening demeanor, I'd rather, I think I could outrun a bear before I could outrun a man.
	You know what?
	You're probably right, because I've never been chased down by a bear, so I truthfully don't know.
	I truthfully don't know.
	You might not be able to outrun either, honestly.
	Yeah, good point.
	But I'd rather die from bear than die from man.
	What did you do to like?
	Did I survive the bear attack?
	So, literally, I ran for a mile up this mountain.
	It took forever, and I almost like gave up and sacrificed myself to save my dog.
	Like, I was just so tired.
	But I was with a man, a guy, and he chopped up a branch and started just whipping them at the bear.
	And one of them got the bear in the forehead and it ran up a tree and left us alone.
	Okay, so you, but you think the random man is more of a threat?
	Basically, is what you're saying?
	To an extent, yeah.
	I mean, it's very situational.
	Why, why do you think that?
	I've maybe it's because you ever this is you ever like walk through the Fort Lauderdale Bright Line station at like three in the morning?
	Yeah, it's pretty bad.
	I mean, then again, though, actually, you know what?
	I will have to change my answer if it's a hiking situation.
	Most male hikers I've met, they're pretty chill.
	They're pretty chill.
	So, if it's a hiking situation, I guess I choose them.
	If you're on a hike, like, yeah, I was gonna say, what type of men do you typically see on a hike?
	Like, usually when you're- You're right, yeah, yeah.
	I guess I'm like, and they're very frequently.
	I was thinking like average city male and city bear, but like, male hikers, they could be chill.
	I've had some great conversations with male hikers on the top of a 14er, dude.
	What if it's a koala bear?
	Aha, didn't think of that, did you?
	Don't, don't.
	Yeah, don't, don't read them.
	Awful, awful, awful.
	Um, so, but, like, a city man is like a regular man, too.
	What do you mean?
	All I'm saying is that when I randomly walk down the streets of Fort Lauderdale and I see a man, I'm in a lot more of a threat than I'm walking down a random trail and I see a man.
	So, I didn't put that into perspective: we're on a hike.
	So, you know what?
	Sure, I'll choose the man.
	I could probably juke out the man, but when it comes to like threat, a man can do a lot worse things to me than a bear can.
	But, like, why do you think the man would potentially be a threat?
	It's just the way that I was conditioned.
	I don't hate men at all, but I naturally fear men.
	Why?
	Because of what has been done to me by men in the past.
	It's not all men, but in my case, it's always been a man.
	How many men do you think would be a threat?
	You want me to give it like a percentage?
	Sure, yeah.
	20%, but that's enough for me to be afraid.
	That's pretty much it.
	Because it's happened before.
	And I'd rather just not take the risk.
	I'd rather just get ripped to shreds than the bearheaded to-do list.
	Oh, wait, sorry.
	All right, I'm back here.
	I couldn't help but notice.
	Conveniently, you say you claim you're not very feminine, but well, I'll get to that in a bit.
	It was convenient when I stepped away.
	It was only at that moment when I wasn't here to defend myself, defend the podcast, that you wanted to do this sisterhood thing of basically trying to throw the show, my name, myself under the bus.
	I find that very convenient.
	Typical feminine strategy, reputation destruction, especially when somebody's not there to defend themselves.
	Now that I've returned to the table, though.
	That was not my intention.
	I apologize.
	You seemed like conveniently when, and Felicity's not, no offense to Felicity, but she's not particularly equipped to make a defense of the whatever podcast.
	So, again, conveniently, while I was gone, you chose, despite what are we at?
	We've been streaming for nearly four hours now.
	You've had plenty of opportunity to raise your criticisms.
	The moment you chose to raise your criticism happened to be the moment I was briefly away from the table.
	Why don't I engage you on your criticism then?
	Go ahead.
	For sure.
	Okay.
	For one, it's everything down to all bright white lights.
	I understand we're given water and everything, but something about being in here for maybe this is just because of my ADHD brain, but like seated here for seven hours at a time in constant interrogation and constant conversation and constant debate.
	That's the reason I've taken a couple steps out.
	It's just because the way my attention span works, I really, I really can't stay like this for a while.
	And I've talked to a couple girls and they kind of say the same thing.
	Like I said, I understand that this is supposed to be a discussion, but it seems like every question has some sort of ulterior motive.
	But you know what?
	To be fair, then again, I didn't look at any of these podcasts coming in before.
	I thought this was a dating podcast.
	Like, y'all were going to ask me, like, ask us some silly, crazy questions about some dating experiences.
	But we're really doing like a deep dive into feminism.
	And to be honest, I'm not equipped for this.
	I was not mentally prepared to dive into a whole debate on gender roles.
	And you know what?
	Although I'm rolling with the punches, to be honest, my brain's fried, dude.
	I've been traveling non-stop.
	This has fried 10 hours straight.
	Okay.
	10 hours, dude, 10 hours total sleep over the course of a week.
	So every time I pause on like an answer, it's like, oh, you're done.
	I'm like, no, dude, I'm just tired, man.
	Like, I don't know.
	There's something a little like, I don't know, there's a lot of like police interrogation tactics, like the bright overhead lights going right on you.
	Like seven hours straight, you're sitting here just having the same exact conversation.
	It's like, damn, man.
	Let me have a smoke break or some shit.
	Oh, you're right.
	Maybe I do need a smoke break.
	Okay, so those are my just general criticisms.
	Feels like you're in a police interrogation.
	I mean, the lighting is so bright in here.
	Typically, like the first off, this is like a Hollywood movie trope.
	The swinging light at the dark room, total trope.
	Maybe that was the case in the 80s.
	Maybe.
	If you actually look at like modernity, you look at modern police interrogations, the room is lit.
	So I don't understand that.
	The bright lights, I don't know if you've ever been on a film set, but these are actually while bright.
	They could be brighter.
	I'm aware of that.
	Actually, there's way more, like, I don't know if you've ever done anything on stage where the lights are literally blinding and you can't even see the audience.
	Yeah.
	I don't really understand the criticism about the lights.
	You said you were anticipating talking about dating.
	Yeah, I thought it was almost everything.
	I thought it was going to be like some really silly conversation.
	I was not equipped to dive right into all this.
	So you kind of caught me off guard with a lot of these questions.
	And I will be honest with you.
	So I'll address that.
	So, I mean.
	I should have done my research.
	That's on me.
	I thought this was going to be like some real silly, just casual banter.
	I was not equipped.
	How could that possibly be the case when you even admitted yourself that you talked to three girls or a few girls who had been on the show before?
	So on one hand, you're playing the sort of game where you say, well, Brian, I didn't know what I was getting into.
	But on the other hand, you talked to girls who've been on the show who told you what you're getting into.
	Secondly.
	I talked to them literally a couple hours before then.
	So I have like two hours to be like, oh, shit.
	Now, I actually dispute, though, that we haven't been talking about dating.
	We've actually pretty much only talked about dating for the vast majority of the show.
	All that stuff about money, I made it, I presented a really compelling case for why it's actually really related to dating.
	Money is related to dating.
	All the feminism stuff.
	It was still within the lens and framework of a dating conversation.
	I could go, like, if we're having a feminism debate, if I started going off and like, oh, the 18 whatever Seneca Falls Convention and blah, blah, blah.
	And I'm trying to think of some other stuff.
	If we start getting into like draft conversations and like women's suffrage in 1920.
	It's all in the lens of dating, and I understand.
	Then we could be like, okay, we're getting a little bit off of dating.
	Yeah, no, I understand.
	But the conversation has been pretty much about like gender roles, dating, et cetera, et cetera.
	So there's a confusion there.
	I guess though, I mean, I think, I don't know if you reiterated this.
	People are free to get up and step away from the table if you want to use the bathroom.
	We're not.
	So people can take breaks.
	It sounded like when I was away, you were saying, we are not allowed.
	People can take breaks.
	You've gotten up a couple times.
	Other people have gotten up a couple times.
	We have food back there.
	We fed you guys.
	Appreciate that.
	So I don't really think that this is really a fair characterization at all.
	Got pizza.
	There's a bunch of snacks back there.
	Actually, I might take you up on that.
	I have not eaten today.
	So, but like, is it typical in police interrogations that you're provided with breaks whenever you want?
	You have a really schnazzy bathroom.
	You're given food.
	You know, you do make a valid point.
	I don't have any rebuttal against that because you do have a good point.
	Any of you, if I mean, we'd like you guys to say, but if any of you were like, you know what?
	Fuck this shit.
	I'm leaving.
	You're not detained.
	None of you were detained.
	And are you here?
	Like, you can't just walk out of a police interrogation.
	Well, I guess there's, I'm not going to get into the.
	I mean, if you can be arrested and being interrogated, in which case you're not free to leave.
	Anyways, that's kind of besides the point.
	What were your other criticisms?
	Honestly, that was pretty much it.
	Then again, it could be a factor of my ADHD brain and my sleep deprivation.
	So I will actually take you up on the bathroom break and the energy drinks.
	And I do appreciate it.
	Thank you, man.
	Yeah, we're really just a jail here.
	We're just, you know, with our energy drinks and our pizza.
	And I'm just confused about the bright lights.
	Didn't you say something about water?
	Like, Felicity's gotten you refills like four times.
	No, no, no, that's not what I mean.
	I said, no, I said, we absolutely do get water and we do get food, but there's just something about the environment and the atmosphere that it, I don't know, man.
	That's fine.
	Maybe I'm just not used to the Hollywood shit, dude.
	This is probably how every podcast is wrong, but this is the first time I've gone on an eight-hour long podcast like this.
	So maybe this is how it's all supposed to be.
	Maybe that's why the wage gap exists.
	Well, I don't think it actually exists, but I think most men would be just chilling, having a conversation for eight hours.
	In fact, shouldn't women be better attuned to just sitting around having a conversation?
	I don't think it's particularly physically hard.
	No, I'm not that good at sitting in one place for too long.
	I get very jumpy.
	My other question here is: you had reached out, you DM'd us asking to put you on the show.
	You know, as far as you not, there should have been perhaps an effort on your part to have watched the show that you requested to be on and flew all the way from Florida to be here to do and took a train and did XYZ to be here.
	Don't you think that says more about you than it would say about me?
	It could.
	Yeah, what is going on with the mic?
	You got to make me aware.
	I can't see the mic, so you got to let me know.
	Yeah, just leave the mic where it is, please.
	So isn't that more a lacking on your part than anything that I'm doing on the podcast?
	To an extent, yes.
	Like you asked to be on the show, you know, you saw Kybra's clip.
	Like that was clearly the clip that you saw with Kybra.
	Clearly like a contentious adversarial conversation that we were having with her.
	So I don't understand where the confusion here is.
	Yeah, you're right.
	To an extent.
	I'll be dead honest with you.
	I knew exactly what I was getting into.
	And I knew exactly there would come a point where I was like, oh, so you lied?
	What do you mean I lied?
	Well, you hold on.
	I didn't do like intentional research.
	But you said you knew exactly what you're getting into, but then also didn't.
	I'm a little confused.
	Well, I already see a pattern.
	For example, when you were setting up the table, I noticed that in the interview with Kybra, you had Kybra sitting specifically right here, which is very interesting that you put me right here as well.
	It seems like you also made comments about, well, aren't you homeless?
	Bringing up a lot of personal things that had nothing to do with the concept of anything we were talking about.
	It just seems a lot of it was.
	Well, what's the criticism of the positioning of where people, what's the issue with the positioning?
	And then I'll adjust the weird alignments to it.
	Weird.
	Either way, weird alignments?
	What does that even mean?
	Where we're running in circles.
	No, we're not running in circles.
	I'm asking for clarification.
	What is your next question, man?
	Oh, are you stonewalling?
	Is this what you do in relationships?
	So I think it's perfectly fair if you're, yeah, I know, shocked.
	That's exactly what you're doing.
	I think it's perfectly fair if somebody accuses you of something to at least have some sort of evidence to be able to back it up.
	I'm simply asking what you brought up.
	Brian, you're toxic.
	You put people in certain positions.
	Okay.
	Can I say something?
	Hold on, one sec.
	No, actually, I would like to listen to our talk because we're having a back and forth and we keep forgetting that there's a whole panel, man.
	So I'm going to take back and let you say what you have to say.
	No, you speak.
	Look, you're the one who brought this up.
	You conveniently, again, brought it up when I was gone and Felicity was here.
	Conveniently wanted to make a criticism when I was away.
	I'm here now.
	I think I'm not being particularly belligerent, but I'm challenging you on your assertions.
	I think it's fair for you to explain your criticism.
	I mean, this is really milquetoast pushback here.
	I have the kid gloves on conversationally.
	I already said what I had to say, man.
	But what about the positioning did you object to?
	I'm confused there.
	Is there some grand conspiracy?
	No, there is no grand conspiracy, man.
	There is no grand conspiracy, to be dead honest.
	I am really exhausted.
	I'm going to grab another energy drink if that's okay.
	And I'll let y'all continue the conversation.
	I have to use the bathroom.
	If that's a bit like that.
	Avoidant.
	Well, I've been having to be for the past while.
	And I'm honestly so done with this, dude.
	You're done because I'm giving you a little bit of pushback on your criticisms of the show?
	No.
	I just need to take a break.
	Is that okay?
	I'm just asking you, what is the objection to the placement of people?
	I'm trying to understand what the objection there is.
	No, it was just one of the weird alignments I noticed here.
	What does that mean?
	I don't know what alignment means.
	What does that mean?
	It's just something I noticed.
	It feels like it's just the vibe.
	Yeah, just the vibes, dude.
	No, dude.
	I'm sorry, sir.
	I think it's a valid question.
	It was your claim.
	I'm just, I'm asking for you to explain your position.
	I'm, I have to do that.
	I haven't even given you pushback on your position.
	I'm just asking.
	If you want to talk about it when you come back, I'd love to, man.
	I think she brought it up because the questions were about geography and World War's history, so a lot of us haven't been in that.
	Well, for 10 plus years, which, you know, that seemed like a gotcha.
	I think that was just her point in bringing in.
	Felicity asks, but you would acknowledge that that was like a three-minute filler conversation that she undertook while I was gone, and the 99% of the rest of the time of the podcast has been mostly about dating, yeah.
	Dating-related.
	So, hmm.
	You got something?
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, look, I think she's young and I think she's inexperienced.
	And I've sisterhood.
	Go ahead.
	I mean, no, seriously, though.
	I want to stand up for her because she's obviously brought up the fact that she's had issues with men.
	And look, I think you've been nothing but respectful.
	I think you have done your part as a host.
	Like, I have absolutely nothing bad to say about you or anything that you've done.
	But I also want to kind of stand in the middle for her as well because she's clearly uncomfortable.
	She's clearly young.
	You know, she's clearly inexperienced.
	She wasn't uncomfortable when I was gone.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	And she had no problem amongst the women.
	She's uncomfortable with men.
	She's talked about it.
	I'm not saying.
	I'm going to ask you a question.
	If I was black and she said she had a bad experience with a black person, that that would be ever justification to say you're uncomfortable with a black person.
	No, I'm not.
	And I'm not saying you've never been to her.
	I haven't victimized her.
	I haven't victimized her.
	I'm not going to allow you to do this feminist thing where we're going to say because somebody has had a bad experience with men, that they can then map that onto all men in the same way that I would object if somebody's had a bad experience with a black person, that you can then map that onto all black people.
	That's racism.
	I'm against that.
	I'm also against sexism as it relates to men.
	I understand.
	I'm just trying to quell things, and I can see that you're clearly irritated, which is fair.
	A little bit.
	And which is fair.
	I'm like validating your feelings.
	Well, I'm more upset that she won't.
	How is this funny?
	This is not funny.
	She's clearly uncomfortable.
	She's like about to cry, you know?
	And I get, and I get you're also uncomfortable and you're also perturbed.
	Like, I get it.
	I get both sides.
	However, like, she just try to give her a little bit of a break.
	That's all I'm saying.
	That's all I'm saying.
	It's not about feminism.
	I am not a feminist in any regard.
	That's up for debate.
	I'm not.
	Can anybody else tell like I'm not pointing you out and I'm not saying that you have done anything wrong at all?
	At all.
	I do think she is being very respectful and it is her.
	Yeah, she's not being disrespectful.
	At all.
	I think just like we should just tone it down a notch and like restart.
	Yeah.
	Well, the thing is, I think none of you, like, if somebody's coming and making a claim against me, none of you here are going to come to my defense.
	I think it's perfectly reasonable that, like, I don't think it's, it's, my frustration isn't so much with the content of what she's saying.
	It's that she's refusing to engage like I'm you think I'm a jerk.
	Why am I a jerk?
	I'm not going to tell you.
	Okay.
	Well, I can't do anything with that.
	I want to explore why she thinks.
	Can I give you a little feedback?
	I think it's...
	Sure, go ahead.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I think it's based on your delivery.
	Once again, I don't.
	It's a tone.
	I don't know.
	It's a tone.
	No, it is your delivery.
	And once again, I don't think you've done anything wrong necessarily.
	I just think that she's extra sensitive.
	Well, I didn't like her tone either.
	I didn't like her tone.
	That's fine.
	When I was away from the table and she was like, you know what? Fuck this podcast, basically.
	She didn't say that verbatim, but that's the impression I'm going to do.
	No, I think that's fair.
	You're in the right as well.
	I'm not telling you.
	Okay, well, whatever.
	Her tone was her tone.
	I wanted to actually explore the content of what she was saying.
	The tone is kind of secondary to me.
	Okay.
	Did you have more?
	No.
	Okay.
	You want to start with a different question?
	Maybe some levity?
	Maybe, like, I don't know.
	That's good to be.
	No, it's always good to get for things to get interesting.
	But, yeah, I mean, look, my position is if somebody is going to forward a criticism, I think it's a bit cowardly when you ask them to back up.
	Why are you doing this?
	Oh, because of what this person's saying, which is crazy.
	Oh, the super chat.
	Okay, I didn't see the super chat.
	Oh, yeah, not you.
	Not you, not you.
	I do think if you ask somebody to defend their position and they like run away and they won't actually back it up with any evidence for the claim, yeah, I think that's a bit cowardly.
	Fair.
	Like, I would have, I didn't want to get bogged down in this meta-conversation.
	She brought it up.
	So if you bring something up, I'm going to want to address it.
	Like, simple as that.
	Okay.
	If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
	No, understood.
	I get it.
	I mean, we're literally in a open forum, like, debate setting.
	So, like, I get that.
	I get that.
	Absolutely.
	If she didn't want to receive pushback, she probably shouldn't have voiced her criticisms.
	I hear you.
	Like, if somebody accuses you of murder, are you supposed to just say, you know what?
	Yes.
	Even if you didn't do it.
	You're right.
	I did commit murder.
	Guilty is charged.
	Put me in the execution chair.
	No, of course.
	You would defend yourself, right?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So in this case, I disagree with her assessment.
	I think it's fair for her to mount a defense of her position.
	I think we should leave it there.
	And do you want to ask us another question about the relationship stuff?
	You said you had some stuff written down.
	Did you want to start with that?
	Well, I think is she did she is she returning?
	I think she just needs a little break.
	A break.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, I will want some explanation upon return, but for the time being, I'm going to move it on.
	There's some chats here.
	Yo, someone, thank you for the looks like you bought some t-shirts.
	Felicity, one.
	Bye bad.
	I'm actually rescuing a bee.
	The fuck are you.
	Rescuing a bee.
	A bee.
	Okay.
	Just it was a bee, so I'd rescue it.
	At the table or on the floor.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Trying to move things on, but draws my ire once more.
	Teddy Westside 29 donated $200.
	Felicity, you can take this.
	You look you drive a utility van.
	Chair two looks like she wants to punch Brian.
	She gets a great smile.
	Felicity runs from police.
	Chair 4-5 are based.
	Thank you.
	Chair 2 looks like she wants to punch Brian.
	I actually went to college to be a cop when I was totally see that.
	Good job, Teddy.
	Well, I'm not going to punch you.
	Sounds good.
	Cool.
	We do not condone violence on the whatever podcast.
	I don't love that either.
	Nashu Nabo donated $200.
	Thank you.
	Roe Brian WTF.
	Why?
	C1, please.
	For the love of all that is holy, shut up.
	You are complaining about being tired, but you won't shut up.
	attention-seeking drama kids are the worst types of people on earth uh oh is this is this a rage quit I think it is.
	Milquet toast.
	Milk toast pushback.
	Do you want to at least explain the rage quit?
	You want to come back for a moment?
	Don't quit.
	Don't quit.
	Yeah, listen to her.
	Don't quit.
	Come back.
	It was a fun convo before that thing.
	Look, are you.
	We have your back.
	We have everybody's back.
	Let's just no, they have your back.
	Don't worry.
	They don't have my back.
	They don't have my back.
	No, that's okay.
	I just validated feelings.
	Validate.
	Yes, I did.
	No, you guys.
	Look, I don't need you guys.
	Don't need to have my back.
	You can have her back.
	I don't care.
	I want to have her.
	It doesn't have to.
	Okay.
	Can I say something?
	It doesn't have to be one or the other.
	It can be both.
	I know.
	I can see your side.
	I'm a Libra, man.
	I just had a birthday.
	Like, come on.
	I can see both sides.
	Okay.
	You want some applesauce?
	We have some applesauce.
	What do you want?
	Applesauce?
	What do we have?
	We have.
	I want her to come back.
	You can have a popsicle It would cause some conversation.
	But just take a break.
	Yeah.
	You listen to the music.
	That's okay.
	I am rage, but I'm just taking the breath.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's all good.
	Take a breather.
	I want to give her a hug.
	She's crying, man.
	I want to give her a little bit of a goal.
	Don't you want to say?
	No, no, no, no.
	It has no gold.
	But it does sit there for a while.
	Take some accountability.
	That's not the goal.
	The goal is not to make people cry.
	You're doing that shit on your own.
	Take some fucking accountability.
	It doesn't have to be.
	My goal is never to make anybody cry.
	That's a completely ridiculous, ludicrous fucking accusation.
	You continue your bullshit.
	I was perfectly polite there, and I said, if you need to take a break, take a break.
	But you double down on your fucking bullshit accusations.
	Never is it ever the goal to make somebody cry.
	Never, ever.
	That's on you.
	That's on you.
	Don't put that shit on me.
	I think you should just give her a minute.
	She can say that I'm trying to make people cry, but I defend myself and I'm the bad guy for.
	I mean, yeah, defend yourself, but give her a minute.
	I literally said, go take a break, and I was about to get into it.
	And then.
	Was it my questions?
	There's this.
	There's an idea of instigation here, I guess.
	So, anyways, I was literally trying to move it on.
	I was trying to move it on.
	Wait, I want to say the World War II, World War I questions are not to make you guys feel stupid.
	It's just fun and a change of pace.
	Like, it's just lighthearted because Brian's not here.
	I'm not a debater by any means.
	And it's just fun.
	I think she felt it was a gotcha.
	It's not.
	We do it every single show.
	I know.
	I've seen it.
	I think she just felt like that.
	No, I mean, I needed a break.
	Those are just the questions that I typically ask because I'm not a debater.
	That's fair.
	You know what's actually kind of funny about this?
	If she didn't, like the chair four, if she didn't say anything and I was just like, yeah, take a break.
	Go on the balcony, whatever.
	She actually made it worse.
	Actually made it worse because it's kind of like affirming the I don't know.
	Like, should have just honestly just let her go on the balcony.
	I was, well, can I go?
	Anyways, whatever.
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Brian is correct.
	As soon as he left the table, she went off to trash talk his show while in the company of other women.
	Sisterhood ball boop.
	I don't know.
	Also true.
	I mean, technically, that's exactly what happened.
	Pacy George never misses a message from the government of Canada.
	pasty george donated two hundred dollars and four cents hey brian if some panelists feel tired should i do a coffee pop to help stimulate their minds and improve their focus we have energy drinks we uh We don't like require somebody to send in like a pop.
	We just have energy drinks back there for the guests.
	We've had that for a super long time.
	Most people, I mean, most people just opt to not have the energy drinks, I guess.
	But yeah.
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Chair 1 running away from Brian's simple questions is what feminists do.
	They always run away when their viewpoints and positions are challenged.
	Then the sisterhood jumps in to ruin the day.
	I mean, I just don't understand why that was so escalated.
	She brought up the criticism.
	You came back and you asked about it, and I feel like it just got really out of hand.
	And I don't understand why.
	Well, I think there's a tendency sometimes if you feel like you're on the back foot.
	Like if you've said something and you're not really prepared to defend it, you're going to resort to my feelings.
	So I think that's what happened there.
	Hold on.
	We have a super chat here from Pelagic.
	Pelagic.
	I don't believe her.
	This came in like 25 minutes ago.
	Thank you for the super chat, man.
	Don't believe her.
	I don't know what this is in reference to.
	Pelagic.
	You can include more with 100 super chat.
	You can put more words there, man.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Let's see here.
	Guys, $200 TTS, $100 read.
	Venmo Cash App, whatever, pod.
	Twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Shop.whatever.com.
	Get yourself some merch.
	Discord.gg/slash whatever.
	Like the video.
	I show speed.
	Chat.
	Who's ready for me to come on the podcast?
	Any week now.
	It's happening.
	I show speed.
	Coming on the show.
	Chat.
	Who's ready for me to come on the podcast?
	Here, I'll just get rid of that.
	That's already come up.
	Yo, Dan, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Nice duck photo, by the way.
	Also, hashtag Big Labymatter, BLM.
	Very important movement.
	All right, now that everybody is thoroughly uncomfortable, what was I saying?
	What were we talking about?
	What were we talking about before all that?
	The drama.
	Yeah, her criticisms of the show.
	Criticisms of the show.
	Oh, like the seat placement and everything.
	Oh, the seat, just malicious seat placement.
	I mean, I know why.
	I don't even understand.
	Most people, like, isn't it kind of a privilege to get chair one?
	Like, you get to go first?
	I mean, I think it's whoever is the chattiest.
	Yeah, I mean, I sometimes have a general read on people, and I'm like, okay, who's going to be like more chatty?
	I'll put them in chair one.
	I mean, but like, what can you infer that she said, like, her friend was in chair one, right?
	Maybe she's thinking there's some like ulterior motive.
	Like, you have some, I don't know.
	I'm just guessing that you want to.
	I mean, I put the person who I think is going to, like, I tend to put the people who I feel get a sense who are more conversational.
	I'll put them here, but that can vary.
	That can vary.
	Yeah, I know this.
	I just don't know why she's.
	I don't know.
	I mean, she doesn't know this place.
	So, what was the other one after that?
	It was the lighting.
	No, no.
	There was the chair thing.
	The ordering of the chair?
	No, no, it was after the.
	Eh, whatever.
	We have a message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Entitlement, tone policing, sexism, misandry, false allegations, etc.
	These are some of the reasons why men are moving away from women influenced by feminism.
	Well, there definitely was tone policing.
	Was there misandry?
	False allegations, I guess.
	Well, you got a little irritated, but I don't think tone policing is because you weren't irritated before until it started becoming like a back and forth.
	Well, I wasn't all that irritated.
	Like, people have criticisms of the show.
	I think you know, I don't really care.
	I was irritated that she kind of started wanting to put on the tears.
	And, like, was she crying?
	Well, not maybe that's an exaggeration, but like, but getting emotional is like an escape.
	I'm so tired, blah, blah, blah.
	Oh, my God.
	It's like at least back up your position, you know.
	Anyways, some people, I don't know, just more sensitive, I guess.
	Do you think so?
	Yeah, some people are more sensitive.
	I know girls that I would like never invite here because they're just way too sensitive and would get offended.
	All right, we have Pelagic here.
	Brian, it was clear, bro.
	This was such a mistake that this girl said, the chair force said this.
	Because now it's like, okay, I'm going to console you for 30 minutes in the bathroom.
	Yeah, where do you have a panel?
	This is why I'm like, whenever I'm upset, I don't want to be consoled.
	Just let me chill out for like 10 minutes and then I'm good.
	Like, I don't want to, oh, let's talk about it.
	No, no.
	Brian, you want a hug?
	No, but this is a big bear hug from the hype.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, but like that thing, I feel like sometimes if somebody's upset, just let them fucking cool off for like five, ten minutes.
	Now she's like, I'm going to affirm all your feelings and let's have a fucking therapy session in the whatever podcast bathroom.
	Therapy doesn't work.
	What's that?
	Validate.
	Yes, validate.
	Oh, validate?
	Yeah.
	It's just, I don't think it's productive, especially in this scenario where it's like, just listen to your music on the balcony.
	That's totally fine.
	I mean, she's seen a message from the government of Canada.
	I'll pull this back up, Pelagic.
	Pasty, George donated $200.04.
	If Chair One is not used to sitting in one place as she claims, then why did she come on the podcast when she was informed before the show on how long it could last?
	Bull poop.
	Yeah, she knew.
	She knew the details.
	Is she here?
	Are we just like shit-talking her while she's not even here to defend herself?
	Funny how she was on the I'm just asking because like it's like we're talking about her well we're talking about the situation that just happened.
	No, we're having like all these kind of fair game and she's not even coming back to like defend herself.
	So I'm confused.
	Like is she coming back or not?
	I'm not sure honestly.
	I was just listening to this.
	Oh no, there's some long therapy session in the bathroom.
	Pelagic 6.
	Brian, it was clear she was reading the chat, so I called her out, Chair One.
	Okay.
	Pelagic, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	All right.
	Well, I'm going to get off the meta conversation then.
	We'll get back into some of the topics here.
	I know some of you guys sent in some pre-show notes, so we'll just do that.
	Let's see here.
	Shay.
	If it's the first one, I'd prefer not to talk about that.
	But I'll talk about two or three.
	You don't like, can I read it and you just say no comment?
	Is that cool?
	Loki, prefer if not.
	That's fine.
	I'll respect that.
	Thank you.
	Let's see.
	Situationships.
	You say people are scared of commitment.
	You said lots of mismatched expectations in relationships.
	Parentheses, who is expected to pay, etc.
	Who is expected to pay?
	Just remind me, I know we kind of talked about that, but what's your position on that?
	Like what we all talked about, it seems like there's a general expectation that men should pay.
	That's what I was talking about.
	But obviously, that's not how everyone feels.
	Okay.
	I mean, do you think that that's wrong?
	Do you think that shouldn't be the case?
	What do you think?
	I think we should move more towards like an even split.
	I don't think it should be.
	Even if the guy asks?
	If the guy asks, that's totally different.
	But I think that having that.
	But somebody has to ask, right?
	Wait, I'm sorry, ask what?
	Somebody has to ask.
	Somebody, right?
	Oh, are you talking about paying?
	No, for dates.
	Somebody has to ask somebody out for the date.
	Right?
	Yeah, but I think people should just communicate that more is what I was trying to get with that.
	Communicate what more?
	Expectations.
	And also when you're in a relationship, how you're feeling, where you stand.
	Like we talked about earlier, having kids and stuff like that.
	I feel like that conversation can come up too late into relationships.
	Nick, can you close the door for a bit?
	Just fully close.
	Okay.
	And would you like to see a point?
	Like, do you think, like, what about the other things, though?
	Like, paying for dates should be equal.
	Should women initiate as frequently?
	I think women should initiate more.
	Should initiate more?
	Okay.
	Obviously, that's not going to happen overnight.
	I don't know if it'll ever happen.
	I think we're moving closer to that.
	I don't think it'll be equal necessarily, but I think it should be more common.
	I mean.
	Well, like, for example, I asked my boyfriend out.
	I told you this earlier.
	And I think that that was 20 years ago.
	That probably wouldn't have happened.
	I mean, not necessarily.
	Perhaps it's a bit more common now.
	Yeah, that's what I'm trying to imply.
	But you guys weren't like mutual friends or something first?
	We were, but I like officially asked him to be my boyfriend.
	Oh, so you guys had already been dating though?
	Not like you guys had.
	Well, not like officially.
	So you guys never even like hung out romantically and well, yeah.
	But I'm.
	You confessed your interest in him.
	And the point is.
	Will you be my boyfriend?
	The point is that I officially asked him to be my boyfriend when that's not a very common thing.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I actually don't know if that's the case.
	Have any of you guys asked a guy out officially?
	Well, hold on, there's two different boyfriends.
	There's like been dating a guy for three months, but you're not boyfriend, girlfriend yet.
	And then there's like making those initial efforts and initial moves.
	So if you've already been dating the guy for a period of time, like you'd agree, you can be dating somebody and he's not your boyfriend?
	I wouldn't call it dating.
	I would say like you're in a situation shape at that point probably.
	Or that's just like talking.
	Yeah.
	Well the talking stage, right?
	Yeah.
	Right, but somebody can be in a talking stage for one, two, three months.
	Right.
	Let me go around real quick though.
	Like has anyone officially asked a guy to be their boyfriend?
	Well, the better question is, would be proportionality.
	So if you've asked a guy out a hundred times to be your boyfriend, or sorry, if the guy asked you, or 99 of your boyfriends or whatever.
	Sorry, I'm getting my words mixed up here.
	The point I'm trying to make is just that it's not as common as I think you're thinking it is.
	So, like, have you ever asked a guy out to be your boyfriend?
	Nope.
	Nope.
	No, no, no.
	You got to say it.
	You got to say it.
	Never.
	No.
	I think I answered this earlier and said no, but I might have when I was in high school.
	Okay.
	But the point is that's two of how many people are we ignore or something.
	So that's all.
	Doesn't that bolster my position?
	She's also saying it's not common.
	Yeah.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Oh, you're saying it's uncommon.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, I mean, there's, I agree with you.
	I think you guys have the same position.
	That women ask men out less.
	Yeah, way less.
	I don't know why you're arguing with me.
	Oh, no.
	Okay, maybe I'm asking you.
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Someone bought a hoodie.
	Hold on.
	Why does that not pull up?
	Hold on.
	One sec.
	Thank you, whoever that is.
	Oh, you don't have to show.
	That's okay.
	Thank you, men.
	Okay.
	In your opinion, dating apps seem to be more about finding male validation than actually finding a relationship.
	People don't see online people as real individuals.
	So they'll just ghost them.
	So wait, you've been on a dating app?
	No, I haven't.
	Oh, you haven't even been on a dating app?
	I'm speaking from like a menu.
	Like your friends.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	And so are my moments.
	I met my fiancé on a dating app.
	I'm not going to say which one, but I did.
	Wait, so you're saying dating apps, it's about men finding male validation and not the reverse?
	That's not what I was saying.
	In my opinion, dating apps seem to be more about finding male validation.
	I think that, well, both, I think that women seek male validation and vice versa as well.
	Oh, okay, wait, wait, wait.
	Sorry, I wrote that really quick.
	Let me clarify.
	I think I see what you're saying.
	So you're saying that women are looking for male validation?
	Both people are more.
	Okay, let me just clarify since no one else is reading this.
	What I wrote was: I think dating apps are more about people finding like validation or like hookups rather than actually a relationship and building a solid foundation and a connection.
	I would say that's true.
	Agreed.
	I would say that's true.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think both men and women can use dating apps for validation or to receive validation from the opposite sex.
	And I don't know if this is how you've meant to frame it, but my, like I said, I wrote that in like two minutes.
	Maybe my original misinterpretation was that men use the dating apps to like get validation from women more so than women use it to get validation from men.
	No, I was saying both.
	It's just.
	My only gripe there would simply be I agree with you.
	Both men and women do get validation from dating apps without any genuine intention of like meeting somebody or whatever.
	I would argue though that it's more so the case that women use dating apps for validation than the reverse.
	I agree with you.
	Agreed.
	Like it's way, for example, I think if you're a guy on a dating app and a girl's like, hey, I'd like to go on a date with you.
	I think it's way more likely that the guy's going to take her up on that than like you're a girl on a dating app and the guy's like, hey, I'd like to take you out on a date.
	A lot of women, they just enjoy the attention, the validation.
	Not to say that men don't do it, but to say that this is more pronounced in women.
	I somewhat agree with you, but I do think that the standard of modern dating is, I just think that people in general have just become a lot more flaky, less reliable, and less dependable.
	You know, because I know plenty of people who, you know, have maybe reached out via, you know, Instagram or social media or whatever to a guy, for instance, you know, to show interest.
	And then the guy, like, never responds, you know?
	So that also does happen.
	It also does occur.
	Does it occur less than a guy to respond to or a guy to approach a woman like online?
	Yes.
	I also agree with you on that.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	Speaking of which, you know, I think it's fair game.
	I was asking you before.
	So you were originally supposed to appear with a friend on the show.
	And she, like, by the way, I didn't say this before the show.
	This is, she's been trying to be on the show.
	We've been talking to her to your friend since 2023.
	Okay.
	So this is the third time that she's flaked on us.
	Last minute, by the way, last minute.
	So, you know, whatever.
	It's the third time we gave her chances.
	Strike?
	So, yeah.
	She was supposed to be on the show today, and then she claimed she fell off a horse and hurt her rib.
	That's what she told me.
	Yeah.
	Verbatim.
	Chat.
	Do you guys think?
	Verbatim, that's what she told me.
	I don't believe it.
	I don't know.
	I looked at her IG story.
	She's all, she's, unless these are from like are you going to show it?
	No, I'm not going to show it.
	But she looks good.
	She's on the walk at the beach with a dog.
	Chilling.
	I saw her.
	She looks good.
	Last Sunday.
	She's eating a burrito wrap lied to you.
	She's walking around with her dog, just walking around her.
	Maybe that's from a different day.
	I don't know.
	Her loss.
	I don't know.
	Maybe she's lying.
	Maybe she's lying.
	But she looks good.
	She looks like she's doing okay.
	Actually, should I just go?
	Not the IG.
	I don't know.
	I hope she's good.
	Who knows, though?
	Who knows?
	Sometimes with the.
	I don't know.
	I just thought it was related to your thing here.
	You're being pretty good about it.
	Usually girls are.
	George donated $200.04.
	When women say stuff like we should base the relationship on our feelings, she wants the relationship to be focused solely on her wants and needs.
	Traditional non-feministic women do not think that.
	What should the relationship be based on?
	I never even thought of it like that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Moving on here in the notes, we have, let's see here.
	Hold on.
	Nope, no faith.
	Yeah.
	So you're eliminating her from ever coming?
	Is that how it goes?
	Honestly, she'd have to pay like a $300 deposit if she wanted to.
	Wow.
	Sorry, not even a deposit rebooking fee.
	This is the third time she no-show, well, flaked, no-show, whatever.
	So she'd have to, she'd have to pony up.
	We're not normally after one, flake.
	No, yeah, I mean, that's how it typically goes.
	But we gave her a few passes already.
	So that's kind of you.
	Okay.
	Hannah.
	No, it is.
	It is.
	You're a non-denominational Christian.
	You said you had a man try to scare you by talking about serial killers and punching at your face inches away.
	Yeah.
	And not hitting you.
	I stopped using dating apps because of it.
	I just, yeah, he tried to scare me.
	I didn't give him the satisfaction.
	I just went in stone-faced and he was, you know, punching inches from my face.
	And I just.
	Like multiple punches?
	Yeah.
	Like trying to get a reaction.
	And yeah, that's a good example of, you know, evil masculinity out there.
	But I think most men in general have a positive view towards women and want to protect them.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You got to be careful on the dating side.
	Just a bad experience.
	Why was he trying to do that?
	He was talking about boxing or something and was just drunk?
	Not that that excuses it.
	I think so.
	I think he was just crazy.
	So, like, you met up with him.
	Like, show us how close to your face he was.
	It was an inch, I'd say.
	That's a little yeah.
	That's a yikes.
	What was he trying to demonstrate?
	I think he was genuinely trying to scare me at a power thing.
	But like, were you guys just like on a date, and then all of a sudden he starts being like trying to punch you and serial killers?
	Yeah, started off talking about, you know, death metal, serial killers.
	He started saying, like, what if I was?
	And yeah, it was a crazy experience.
	But it just seemed to me, like, what I read from it was he was trying to get a response, a reaction out of me.
	And I just didn't give it to him.
	And then it ended there, yeah.
	We were in a public place.
	There were people around.
	What the fuck?
	Sorry.
	That was my bad eyes.
	It could be my dad.
	That was on me that time.
	Grid one redeemed.
	Redemption arc there.
	I just felt he treated me as not a person.
	Like it was a date so that he could get something out of it.
	And I think people treat relationships as transactional now rather than, you know.
	What was he trying to get out of it?
	Like a fucking power.
	Like a sparring match or something?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	He's trying to spar with you.
	Yeah, maybe that's just weird, man.
	Someone he could steamroll, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Damn.
	Okay.
	He's just an extremely weak person.
	You also say women are to blame for hookup culture.
	Yeah.
	You say it's largely women's fault.
	Women control, you say this, women control access to sex.
	And when it's given away so easily, it conditions men to expect it instead of valuing it.
	You want to elaborate a little bit there?
	Yeah, I think when women just allow men to access their bodies with nothing in return, no commitment, nothing, it sort of ruins dating for the rest of us that have high standards and are waiting for people that will treat us with respect and value us for more than just our bodies.
	I think it creates more men that seek out women's bodies instead of a relationship.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Anybody on the panelist?
	I agree.
	I think that women, they think like.
	Maybe let's hear from disagrees first, okay?
	Agree?
	Do you agree?
	Are women to blame?
	That's her position for hookup culture.
	I don't know.
	I feel like it goes both ways.
	I feel like.
	I mean, I agree with what you say, but also I feel like it's also, you could also say that, but like sex work and like OnlyFans and stuff like that.
	I feel like hookup culture itself, I feel like it goes both ways.
	Like I know a lot of men who treat women really disrespectfully and like they are the ones who always were getting with multiple women and I don't know.
	I just experienced it.
	The punishment for that would be you never have a fulfilling relationship with a woman though.
	I think if men act like that towards women, they should be punished for their actions.
	And I think when men act like that, yeah, that's their reward.
	But when women, is that a Coke spoon on your neck?
	No, it's a tennis racket.
	Whoa.
	I thought it was like one of those little spoons.
	I'm sorry.
	I was just staring at that.
	Thank you, though.
	No, I've never done drugs.
	Sorry.
	I have bad vision.
	I'm blind in one eye.
	That's all right.
	Yeah, it looks like a racquetball.
	It has, yeah, it's a tennis racket with a pearl.
	Yeah, like the little spoons.
	How do you know about that?
	I don't know what that is.
	How would you know about that, Felicity?
	Because you see them on the internet.
	Oh, yeah.
	In Minecraft?
	Yeah, and Minecraft.
	I think you can't change men's nature, though.
	Chill out, Brian.
	Chill out.
	Yeah, that's all I was making my point with that statement.
	I think a lot of women tend to think, like, if I have sex with him, he'll want to date me.
	Yeah, I agree.
	And it's not true.
	I think you can't change a man's nature.
	Like, if you offer him sex, he's going to say yes.
	He's going to take it.
	You're giving it to him for free.
	You know, he doesn't do any work.
	Why would he want a relationship with a woman who's going to give that out to anyone?
	I think men always naturally have the expectation of getting sex in return for something.
	And I think you're completely right in the fact that it's up to us to decide whether to allow access or limit that.
	So I agree with you there.
	So did she leave or what's going on?
	Hold on.
	I'm confused.
	What's the situation?
	What's the situation, Mary?
	Hello?
	Is Mary there?
	Yeah.
	What's the sitch?
	Just help me.
	Okay.
	No, just hang tight, Nick.
	Well, I'm going to continue on with the notes.
	I'm not going to linger on that.
	Hold on.
	I need to change one thing here.
	Let's see.
	No, I think we're pretty much done with your notes, Hannah.
	Yeah, that's going to forgive me if it's Mahi.
	Yeah.
	Mahi.
	You said that couples in college shouldn't restrict each other.
	Your partner's not your parent, should not tell you what you can and can't do.
	If you want the best for your partner, you shouldn't tell them they can't go out.
	So like going out to parties, I'm imagining.
	Maybe also like what to wear, that sort of thing.
	No, just like parties.
	Oh, no, just like parties.
	Just parties.
	Okay.
	So you're fine with a guy saying, boyfriend saying, don't wear that?
	No.
	Like he shouldn't be able to.
	Oh, he shouldn't say that either.
	You say, because you should want them to have as much fun as they can.
	As long as they're respectful, they should be allowed to do whatever they want.
	Okay.
	Anybody here just agree with her position?
	Who agrees?
	Agree, agree, agree.
	I agree.
	Yes, yes.
	I think you should be able to wear what you want, but I also think men should be able to do that.
	Let's set their own standards.
	Okay.
	And, you know, if they don't want a girl who's going out and partying, they should not be with that woman.
	I agree.
	Whereas other men do appreciate that and want that.
	Okay.
	Maybe less, but.
	Okay.
	I think you should be able to wear whatever it is you want and have the autonomy to do that.
	However, I do think that if you're in a respectful partnership and your significant other does have an issue with something you're wearing, they should be able to freely vocalize that and then at least have some kind of a maybe conversation or something.
	Okay.
	Because I mean, with the going out thing, right?
	Like, I think it's reasonable that if you meet somebody and they're single, you perhaps expect them to be acting in a way that's commensurate with being single.
	But once you're in a relationship, I think the thing, like, for example, when it depends how we approach the logic here.
	So if the logic is, well, things that are acceptable when you're single, can they ever become unacceptable when you're in a relationship?
	I think we would agree.
	Like, for example, you can technically sleep with whoever you want when you're single.
	But when you're in a relationship, that would be cheating.
	In this case, it's like, what is the sort of acceptable behavior that you can and can't do once you're in a relationship?
	And so I guess my question is, maybe this might help paint a picture or articulate the male position.
	Would you be okay with your boyfriend going to a strip club?
	No.
	Why not?
	That's really controlling and insecure of you.
	I mean, I would never go to any type of strip club filled with all men.
	All I'm talking about was more just like the college aspect of it, like going to frat parties and going to house parties, especially like I came.
	This is UCSB is known as a party school, but my boyfriend has no problem with it because he does the same.
	He goes to frat parties, he goes to house parties.
	All I'm saying is I think people do it in a way like they're trying to prevent their partner from cheating.
	Like they think I'm doing this, so I think it's more they're trying to prevent cheating, even though I don't, if someone's going to cheat, they're just going to do it.
	I feel like putting these like preventative measures in place doesn't give any like use.
	And also like you were saying, like if you don't want someone who's partying, like you shouldn't be with someone like that.
	But I have a lot of friends who now are struggling because their boyfriends knew they partied in high school and they knew they went out.
	But now all of a sudden it's a problem that they're in college, even though they knew that's how they always were.
	I think if you're scared of your partner cheating, you shouldn't be with them.
	Yeah, that's it.
	So then what's the objection to the strip club?
	I just think it's just like half naked women.
	I don't know.
	I just would feel uncomfortable with it.
	That's it.
	I mean, but in terms of like the cheating component of it.
	Well, strip club is mainly just for like sex and not having, obviously, but like it's very sexual appeal.
	Yes.
	Like what's the reason he's going there?
	Like I don't, like most men.
	He's got a bunch of frat boyfriends and I wouldn't go there.
	I wouldn't consider going strips.
	I'm going to go to a strip club compared to a frat.
	Like I don't think it's at all like measurable.
	Like a lot of people have broken up with their boyfriends just for going to strip clubs.
	Like even if they didn't engage in anything, it's just kind of like, why are you there?
	Well, I mean, my position on this would be I think it's far more likely that somebody cheats at a bar or club versus cheats at a strip club.
	Because the difference is, when you go to a bar or club, there's people who will fuck you there.
	You go to a strip club, strippers.
	I mean, but you want to do it for a price.
	Strippers do not want to fuck.
	Well, sure, then we're getting into prostitution.
	I mean, even if you're not.
	But those strippers aren't prostitutes.
	I mean, but you go to the strip club.
	Trust me, the strippers definitely don't like the male clientele.
	think they're pathetic they would never even they're they think the the male patrons are pathetic They think they're lame, whatever.
	They're tricks, they're marks.
	It's just money.
	They'll give the men attention, but it's just they're trying to get money out of these guys.
	They're not, they, like, there's a better chance.
	If I step into a club, there's a better chance of getting laid in the club than getting laid at the strip club.
	Well, why do a lot of young guys go to like house parties?
	Because they want to get some.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I would indeed someone to parties a lot.
	You can party sometimes, but I don't know.
	Oh.
	So she's not coming.
	Like she's, I'm assuming when you say she's not coming back on the show.
	I'll come back to this topic really quick, but I just have to address this.
	Like, she's not coming back to the table.
	Is she still in the building?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Nick, camera up.
	One sec, guys.
	Can she hear me?
	She has a big problem.
	Yeah, I mean, well.
	All right, guys.
	I mean, it's probably not going to be a rage quit on camera, but I'll film it, put it on the Discord, I guess.
	But you got your camera, Nick?
	Sorry, guys.
	Guys, I have to step away from the table, Felicity, if you want to continue the conversation momentarily.
	So, yeah, that's a delayed rage quit, but yeah, okay.
	Be right back.
	Go ahead, Felicity.
	I honestly think that like girls, we don't always go out for like, oh, I want to get some, I want to have sex, you know?
	Whereas guys, I think that's more of their goal when they go out.
	Like, girls, you're right.
	We kind of were like, oh, I want to go out with my girls.
	But like, when you walk up to like a group of guys that's out, especially here, very lustful.
	I think it's fine to go out every once in a while, but like, I don't know, just the values that someone that parties a lot has, it doesn't align with mine.
	Like, not someone that I would date.
	Partying once in a while is fine, but if they're like doing it every weekend, not my thing.
	What do you guys think?
	I think if somebody's out partying on a consistent basis, it clearly means that there's a disconnect going on in the relationship that should be further looked into, I would say.
	I mean, to be fair, like college age, they like people.
	All the time.
	Yeah, I mean, when you're young, it's different.
	But like, as you get older and you mature and you grow, that sort of becomes less of a priority because, like, we talked about, it's typically, like, you know, family, it's typically like that type of thing.
	Not for everybody, but for majority, you know?
	So if that is to occur, like on a very consistent basis, then there's probably some underlying issues, I would say.
	I think it's about balance.
	I agree.
	I have to go out sometimes.
	Yeah, like if somebody has the freedom to go out and do whatever you want and you have that trust with your partner, go for it.
	No, totally.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	And also like UCSB, like, I honestly, I like going out every weekend.
	Like, I have fun.
	And especially like it's all me and my roommates.
	Like, I don't have my boyfriend here.
	And he's probably, like, he's not going to be here the whole year.
	So it's just me and my girlfriends.
	And a lot of them are single and we like going out, especially I'm a freshman.
	Like we, I worked a lot in high school and I came to a good college.
	And then, but also UCSB is known as a work hard, play hard school.
	Like all the parties here end at 12.
	And then you're young, go live your life.
	Well, and may I ask you, like, how is your relationship now?
	Like, you started off being like normal distance and now you're long distance.
	Like, has that changed anything in the relationship?
	Like, has it made anything harder?
	Or like, what is the dynamic of that?
	Obviously, it's made stuff harder.
	Like, we, we lived like five minutes away from each other.
	We went to the same school and that was how it was for two years.
	And this summer, right before we left, we were together all the time because we have also a lot of the same friends.
	But it has been hard, but I wouldn't say it's been super difficult.
	Like, we call when we can.
	He's really smart.
	So he honestly helps me with a lot of my chem stuff right now.
	So we've been calling a lot because of that.
	But I feel like I honestly would not recommend this, though.
	Like, I'm doing it just because I can see myself marrying him.
	I don't think for sure like I'll be marrying him.
	Like obviously there might be things that come up, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't be putting this effort in for anyone.
	Like if I couldn't see myself marrying him, I wouldn't have done it.
	I would have just ended it and then done whatever I wanted here.
	And you think he's the one?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's cute.
	Yeah, I mean, usually, honestly, I hear really bad things about relationships that end up being long distance in college, but I'm happy for you that like I'm also in a long distance relationship.
	Oh, really?
	How's that?
	And I honestly feel like it's gonna improve our relationship like in the long term.
	Because now that we're apart, we have more time with our friends and doing things that are actually really important to us versus like seeing each other every day.
	Because when you're near each other, that's like what you want to do.
	You want to see each other and hang out.
	So I feel like it's kind of good for us to have our independent lives a little bit more and then also reconnect like at the end of the day.
	Like distance makes the heart grow for the moment.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	And then, like, when I went back home and we met, it was so nice.
	It was like, it was amazing being able to see them in person and, like, you know.
	So, how long have you guys been dating?
	Not that long.
	It's only been six months.
	But, okay.
	Yeah.
	So, keep me fresh.
	Honestly, I agree with you, though.
	Like, I don't think, obviously, like, it's halfway across the country.
	I would have preferred if it was closer, but I don't know if I would have wanted to go to the same school with my boyfriend either.
	Even if we had the chance to, I feel like it's just you're too close together.
	Like, you need to grow.
	And that's why also a lot of high school college relationships don't work out because you're not letting your partner grow and you're always clinging to each other.
	Like, you need to have independence.
	And obviously, it would have been nice if you were closer, but I mean, that's what we're getting.
	And it's also been, I guess, nice getting used to a different life, but then also knowing when I go back home, I have him.
	Yeah.
	And the next time you're going to see him is Thanksgiving.
	So when was the last time you saw him?
	Like mid-September.
	Damn.
	You're like a trooper.
	I could not do that.
	So you're comfortable.
	I could never.
	Wait, so you are?
	You're not comfortable with him going out and partying?
	No, I'm completely comfortable.
	Honestly.
	I think like I want him to have fun.
	Honestly, like, he's also really not the type of person, to be honest.
	Like, he'll go out maybe, maybe, honestly, like, no, maybe every, not every, he doesn't go out every weekend like I do.
	He goes out maybe like every two weeks.
	But honestly, I told him to join a frat.
	I told him you should be going out every weekend.
	Sometimes he'll be texting me, like, oh, like, I'm just going to stay in.
	I'm like, what are you doing?
	Like, you should be going out.
	And I don't know.
	I think he just should have fun.
	Like, all of high school, he worked so hard.
	He didn't really go to a lot of parties.
	When we started dating, I actually started taking him with me to a lot of the parties.
	I think it's just like fun.
	Like, I feel like you should have a balance of life.
	And he wants to go to med school.
	And I know in med school, he's not going to go to parties.
	He's not going to go clubbing and stuff like that.
	Like, in college, you should enjoy it.
	That's cute.
	Wait, so did he end up joining that frat?
	No, he didn't.
	Okay.
	He really didn't want to join a frat.
	Honestly, I would not encourage, and this is just me.
	Like, this is not, I would not encourage my boyfriend to join a frat because I don't trust frat guys.
	Not like the stuff that goes on in those houses.
	The more of them there are, the less brain cells, you know?
	That's why he didn't want to join.
	Why did you want him to join?
	And why didn't you join?
	Because for a guy, for a guy to go out, it's so hard.
	Like, in welcome week for a lot of colleges, like they can go to every party.
	But now, like, he has a hard time getting into a lot of parties because like either he has to pay like $20 or they just don't let him.
	They always let girls in because I mean, obviously.
	I just thought it'd be nice for him to join a frat because like he could easily like party like a lot more.
	But also like he's in a lot of like really hard classes and that's how it was in high school.
	But he had like his sport.
	He had like track to meet other guys who are more similar to him.
	So obviously in a frat, I didn't want like he shouldn't have been like a top frat because they're usually not really the smartest guys.
	But if he was like a mid-tier kind of, he would have probably found people similar to him that would be different in his classes.
	So I thought like it would have been nice for him.
	It would be more similar to in high school for how it was.
	Why not a hobby though instead of a frat?
	I mean, I mean, he did join like a track club, but honestly, a lot of it was just because it's easier for him to go out.
	Like now it's kind of like he's struggling and it's like no fun, honestly.
	Like I know in college, like if it was hard for me to go to parties, like what do you really do?
	Can you open the door for me?
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	Okay, so finishing off this, I did want to come back to this conversation about men should not be controlling in this way.
	They should, you know, you're saying men should not try to control their girlfriend.
	Like, just let her go to bars and clubs and parties, etc.
	I would, yeah.
	I say if they're respectful, then of course.
	Like, I would, I know for me, and I know a lot of the people around me, like, they would be loyal.
	Like, they like to go out, they like to party, but I would, they would never cheat.
	But obviously, that's not fully true.
	Like, sometimes women go out and they do cheat, but at least for me, I know I won't cheat.
	So, I don't really want like any limitations preventing me like thinking, like, oh, like, this is gonna help her, like, not cheat, like, this is gonna help her not cheat, but I don't really need any of that.
	Like, I know how to be respectful and still do what I want to do.
	If your boyfriend, like, let's say you texted your boyfriend and you go out next weekend, and you, here's my outfit, babe, and he was like, hey, you know what?
	You're fine to go out and party, but, like, can you wear something less revealing?
	Would that become an issue in your relationship?
	Or would you, I guess, at the least have a conversation about it?
	I mean, I feel like I would never really wear anything like too revealing.
	Like, he does know, like, I do like to dress, like, I guess.
	But if you did, if you wanted to.
	Maybe Halloween's coming up.
	People tell me that.
	I mean, Halloween is coming up, yeah, but like, I mean, it's literally next weekend for us for UCSV.
	Yeah.
	It's our whole weekend.
	So I will be going out a lot more.
	I don't know.
	What are you?
	Like a sexy cat or something?
	I'm Piglet from Winnie the Phil.
	Sexy Piglet.
	And I mean we have a few, but that's like one of them.
	Okay.
	You have a couple different outfits.
	Yeah.
	But okay, how about you have the conversation?
	He's like, look, babe, I'd feel way more comfortable if you wore, you know, he doesn't want you in a burqa, but he's like, hey, can you, you know, put on something less revealing, I guess.
	Like, what am I wearing?
	That's.
	If I found it reasonable, maybe.
	Well, like, you've been out to parties, right?
	These girls were walking around in lingerie.
	Yeah.
	Basically.
	He was like, you know what?
	Maybe can you put a jacket on or something like that?
	I mean, yeah, sure.
	Can you do it?
	Yeah, I mean, if it really is like reasonable, then sure.
	Would you feel the type of way about it, though?
	I mean, I really don't think I would ever dress a certain way where...
	Because I feel like I never...
	There's a limit, and I would never exceed a limit.
	Like, even I don't want people looking at me in a weird way.
	Like, I do it where I feel like good about myself, but also like I don't want any unwanted attention.
	So.
	What do you think about?
	Would you date a guy who plays video games?
	Yeah, I date him.
	Do you think it's okay for a girlfriend to tell her boyfriend to not play video games or play less video games?
	Like, you think that's reasonable?
	I mean, if he was only ever playing video games and nothing.
	Well, if it was his hobby, then no.
	It wasn't catastrophic to the relationship, but there were times he wanted to play video games that she wanted to spend with him.
	So he gave her some attention, but it would be a little weird.
	I feel like I could understand why the woman would want that because she feels kind of ignored.
	But I feel like if he does it in moderation, if that's his hobby, you shouldn't be able to really stop him.
	I think a lot of women have a strong preference to date men who don't play video games or just really in moderation.
	I guess this is a bit gendered, though.
	It's a bit of a gendered issue as it relates, not the video games, but as it relates to going out, partying and why men, perhaps more so than women, have a more vested interest in not wanting their girlfriend to party.
	Even if that's how they even met, I think things can change once you're in a relationship.
	It's like, okay, well, you're like the guy could go in thinking, well, she's single, she's going out, whatever.
	Now that I'm in a relationship with her, I kind of like don't want her going out because, and well, there's a few reasons, but because the experience that men and women have when they go out is really differently.
	Like if I go out to a bar or club and just mind my business the entire night, no girl's talking to me.
	I could go out 10 nights, 20 nights, 30 nights.
	I just have my beer, whatever, just at the bar, not scowling, but just, you know, open body language, whatever.
	No girls are coming to talk to me.
	No girls.
	Maybe if you're a really good looking guy, maybe occasionally like a girl might come up to you.
	Well, if you're really good looking, that's different.
	But you put any girl in a bar or club, average looking, good looking, really good looking.
	She's getting approached.
	She's getting hit on.
	This doesn't mean she's going to cheat, but I do think it's a bit of a different dynamic that, and we do have to factor in like, okay, the differences here.
	So I think the big thing is, I guess I would paint it like this.
	Would you be okay with like your long-term boyfriend going to, I know you say he goes to frat parties, right?
	But like we understand the dynamics in these parties.
	Not to say that women never like will flirt, never initiate, but like usually the guy has to make the move and like he has been hit on actually.
	Sure.
	I don't deny that it has.
	No, but like, I mean, and it doesn't feel anything.
	If a guy gets hit on once a night, the woman gets hit on 10 times a night.
	I mean, you also have to think about it, though.
	There's like, especially here, there's so many beautiful women that go here.
	And all of, like, everyone, I don't know, like, it's just, I think people overestimate how much their girlfriend will get hit on because in reality, you're surrounded by beautiful women.
	Like, you have to be able to show maybe just a little interest.
	Obviously, like, guys will come up, you shut them down, they leave you alone.
	But also, some guys, I feel like here, or at least what I've seen, like, they want you to show a little interest, and then they'll go up to you, they'll keep talking, whatever.
	Yeah.
	And I look, I think things have changed quite a bit, you know, with social media, dating apps.
	There's let, like, before dating apps, I mean, before social media, if you wanted, you can slide into somebody's DMs, you can match with them on a dating app.
	You had to approach somebody, whether that's at a party, whether it's after class, whether it's on camp, whatever it is.
	You had to approach somebody in person or you can meet through friends, whatever.
	But now, I think it is the case that men are going to, at least in person, are going to shoot their shot less often, but it definitely still happens.
	But I think you take like an average girl, average guy, you put them in the bar.
	Nobody's like, the guy's just going to sit there all night twiddling his thumbs.
	And the girl, you know, she might get a couple guys hitting on her.
	So I think there's just this difference we have to be aware of as to why men more so than women will like have an issue with it.
	And I think the other thing is, is that men, like we, I get that women will shoot their shot, but it's so, it's really rare.
	And so I think when you're in a relationship, like for example, do you think the way the majority of women go about putting themselves out there, it's not to do the thing that guys typically do, which is, okay, I'm going to hit on 10, guys, might be like, all right, I'm going to hit on 10 girls tonight.
	I don't think women do that generally.
	I think women will be like, I'm going to go to the place and put myself in the situation to then be approached.
	Right?
	Not to say some women shoot their shot, but so I think men and women, men are salesmen, women are marketers.
	So y'all make yourself, you put yourself in the environment that would facilitate a man approaching you, but you won't actually generally like go and shoot your shot or you won't hit on like 10 dudes in the night.
	Whereas men will, maybe you guys have seen some dude at the party bouncing from girl to girl, shooting a shot, rejected, rejected, rejected.
	Okay, boom, this one.
	And so.
	I mean, it's literally like that on like dating apps, for instance.
	Like I know a lot of guys who will literally go on dating apps and just swipe, Like that's like totally normal.
	Whereas women, you know, it's like we only swipe for the guys that we're somewhat interested in, you know?
	Yeah, it's a different dynamic.
	Yeah.
	And so, but I think though, when you get into a relationship, obviously the guy needs to give up his strategy.
	So the guy gives up his strategy of, I'm going to just flirt with a bunch of girls.
	But we don't ask women to give up their strategy, which is meaning.
	What do you mean?
	Well, the woman's strategy is put yourself in these environments to be approached.
	That's the woman's strategy.
	But you continue doing this strategy, even in a relationship.
	I know you're in a-just going to parties.
	That's how people meet each other, right?
	But I don't agree.
	I mean, I know a lot of girls, like, we just like to go out and we just like to dance.
	Like, we don't really want male attention.
	Also, I feel like it's more than just that you say like we market.
	I agree with that we market ourselves, but I think it's more strategic than that.
	Like, we'll put ourselves in the guy's eye line.
	Like, we'll be closer to them.
	Like, just us going isn't like marketing ourselves.
	I feel like a lot of times, like, I like to go out because I actually have fun.
	I like to dance.
	I like the music.
	Well, I think it's a combo.
	So, I'm not going to say women only go out to get male attention, but I'm not going to say, especially if a woman's single, she's not only going out for fun.
	Otherwise, my objection there would be, my objection there would be what if it's really the case, these women hate it when they get some guy comes up to them, they fucking hate it, right?
	Why aren't there like just female-only nightclubs and bars?
	If it's just, I want to dance with my girlfriends, there is some component of the mixed, mixed-sex dynamic.
	Otherwise, women, or you would just go to your girlfriend's house.
	But it's like, it's not just like a different environment, though.
	Like, it's like you're with a bunch of people, you meet people.
	Like, I am meeting like a lot of girls who are like a lot nicer, like in these parties, but also like at my, I can't go to clubs and I can't go to bars.
	Sure, yeah, you go to the parties or house parties and these rats are like what we have.
	Well, I guess, um, but I mean, once people turn 21, there, you know, there are these environments and nothing's actually, and I would actually say overwhelmingly, the people who do throw the parties typically the men.
	Um, but what is stopping like even women who are under the age of 21 from them hosting or throwing the parties and saying, you know what, just women, only women can come in, never see it.
	Um, and then I guess the other, uh, is anybody here in a sorority?
	I lived at a sorority house, but not in a sorority, you're in a sorority.
	Why is it the sorority girls, you guys have great better houses than the frat?
	They're going to get trashed.
	Yeah, so why don't the sorority girls, if it's just about, well, let's cultivate the environment to party, why aren't the sorority houses just having parties at the sorority houses amongst your sisters?
	They do.
	We do.
	Like, literally, my friend last or on Friday night was at a little get-together with her.
	Well, a kickback or a pre-game.
	But also, it's like these.
	Are the sorority houses throwing parties at scale that the frat parties are doing?
	No, but I also really can't answer.
	Like, historically, like frats have always just thrown, I can't name a single, like, I don't know any sorority that would go to parties.
	Right, but so that would, I think that would speak to my point, which is it would speak to my point, which is nothing is stopping sororities from just hosting girl-only ragers.
	Girl-only ragers, let's go.
	You can even have non-sorority girls come over.
	But also, none of the houses are built for it, though.
	Like, these frat houses are like really are actually built for it.
	I mean, you can throw a party kind of wherever, I guess.
	But I don't know.
	There is, I think there's a dynamic here where it's like people do go to these parties.
	Yeah, sure, to have fun.
	But I think there's a component there of, am I going to meet, am I going to meet a guy?
	If you're single.
	If you're in a relationship, then yeah, it's like probably 99% you're just there for fun.
	But maybe there's still like, ooh, I get to reject guy.
	I don't know, whatever.
	You don't have to go to a male validation, I guess.
	You have to go to a party or a strip club or a sorority or whatever to meet somebody.
	I mean, you can literally go to the grocery store.
	You can literally put gas like in your car.
	You know what I mean?
	There's always a time and place to meet someone.
	So that's why I didn't.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	I agree.
	Like, for example, a girl could get hit on at Trader Joe's.
	For sure.
	Should the boyfriend be like, no, you're not allowed to go to Trader Joe's because you might get hit on.
	No, I wouldn't say that.
	But I think I would say that when it comes to parties, bars, nightclubs, these are like very purposeful, intentional social gatherings.
	And like, you know, I've I've never seen some girl getting finger banged in the middle of a Trader Joe's.
	I was young.
	I was young.
	I know I'm boomer Brian over here, but I was young once and I saw some crazy shit go down at college parties.
	I'm from Santa Barbara.
	Trust me, I saw some insane shit.
	People like fucking in the corner over there, fucking crazy shit.
	I believe you.
	Just crazy shit.
	I believe you.
	When I was in my 20s, I also saw some stuff.
	Yeah, and these were like sex parties.
	It was just like, here's a keg.
	It wasn't like some weird sex party.
	It's like house parties and all kinds of things.
	Some like house, random house party.
	People like fucking in the fucking bushes or some shit.
	People fucking on the beach.
	Y'all know what I'm talking about.
	I know.
	Not that you do it, but you've seen it.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's just go down to the beach.
	And anyways, I don't know.
	I'm just saying, like, it's a different vibe at Trader Joe's.
	And also, there's like a component of, when it comes to cheating, there is a degree of, in any scenario, of temptation.
	So like there are circumstances that could be tempting.
	And secrecy.
	Yeah.
	So, well, I think.
	But then why would you want to be a partner who gets tempted like that?
	Like, I feel like these, honestly, I feel like you should be.
	Why would you want to put yourself in a position though?
	But I feel like you should want to, you would want your partner to experience these things to see how they react.
	And I feel like I would, if my like boyfriend is getting.
	Sorry, you're good.
	Yeah.
	Like, I kind of also want to see like how my boyfriend responds to things because then it also shows me who he is as a person.
	And if I don't like what he's doing, then I don't want to ding.
	Like, I don't want to take away all these scenarios from him.
	And then later, when we're more serious, I find out that he actually can get tempted pretty easily by other women.
	So, I think people can make mistakes, regret those mistakes.
	You throw alcohol into the mix.
	You throw a bunch of factors.
	Question: Do you have a celebrity crush?
	No.
	No.
	Anybody have a celebrity crush?
	Brad Pitt.
	Question: If anybody was like, question, would you, if Brad Pitt hit you up, he's like, you know what, leave your fucking fiancé or whatever.
	Yeah.
	You leaving your fiancé?
	No.
	No.
	Offer Brad Pitt.
	Okay.
	Who's like a younger?
	Come on.
	The like.
	Come on.
	Well, no, you're in an age gap.
	So, I mean, you're probably fine with Brad Pitt.
	Yeah.
	I'm like, yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm like my own men.
	I don't know.
	Who's a bit younger?
	Henry Cavill.
	How about Henry Cavill?
	Oh, no.
	No, no.
	All right.
	I'm just saying there's certain temptations.
	Yeah, you're not wrong.
	You're not wrong.
	You throw alcohol in the mix.
	I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but here we have some chats come through that I got to read here.
	Sorry, guys.
	I was.
	Did any?
	Oh, no, I think we're good.
	Or wait, let me double check.
	Then we're going to continue on with the notes.
	There it is.
	Sorry, Pace.
	Oh, just came in.
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	Felicity, why don't you take that seat?
	Well, how about this?
	Final thought on this.
	This is, I'm going to do, I'm going to read it off here because I wrote it down.
	Dream world hypothetical scenario.
	I'm going to create a dream world for all of you.
	Do I have a sound for this?
	I don't think I do.
	Whatever.
	Hmm.
	Okay, here it is.
	Dream world scenario.
	So would you be okay with your long-term monogamous partner going to a nightclub bar or party type environment where throughout the course of the night he's going to get approached, flirted with, and sexually pursued by numerous attractive women, some of which might be more attractive than you, could potentially be a better partner than you.
	These women are buying him drinks, getting him drunk, and enthusiastically, enthusiastically want to sleep with him that night and steal him away from you.
	All the friends he is going out with are single, by the way.
	And they're all kind of fuckboys, you know?
	They want their friend back.
	They want to do some hood rat shit, but he's like wife, wifey with you, you know, not actually married, but whatever.
	So they want him back.
	They're like, our boy is all locked up with his girlfriend, whatever.
	Maybe they don't have the highest opinion of you either.
	Sometimes is the case.
	And he does this regularly, once or twice a week, I guess instead of spending time with you.
	Would you be okay with that scenario?
	No.
	If he would go for them, then I don't want him.
	Felicity, you can come.
	Go ahead.
	If he would go for that, then I don't want him.
	No, no, no.
	It's not that he would go for that, but that's the position that he finds himself in.
	Oh, well, what is his response?
	I don't know.
	I mean, like.
	The only thing that bothers me about that is just like he prefers to go out than spending time with me.
	That's like the only thing.
	Like, and also, if this was like, if he did this, obviously, like, I can't help that if he would have single friends and whatever.
	So, if he did this every, like, two, three weeks, like, sure, if this is how he wants to spend his time.
	Well, how about he you spend as much time with him as you want then?
	But, I mean, you guys are long distance.
	So, he's doing this at whatever school he's high school parties, I guess.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	I mean, yeah, then I'm fine with it.
	I would want to see how he reacts to it then.
	Hell no.
	Hell no.
	Free will doesn't bother me.
	It's what you do.
	Okay.
	So if he put himself there, no, I probably wouldn't be with that man.
	Okay.
	I don't like the situation.
	You don't like it.
	Okay.
	I don't like the situation.
	Obviously.
	I mean, as a partner, like nobody just wants girls harassing their boyfriend just in general.
	Like, I just find that so annoying.
	But I would expect the reaction out of my partner to respectfully decline.
	Right.
	And also mention, like, hey, I have a girlfriend where the person does like stop pestering him.
	It sounds like he's being harassed.
	What about you?
	I don't understand why, if you're in a relationship, you want to put yourself in a position to be tempted in any way or a mistake could happen because there's not always going to be a consistency.
	There might be one night where, you know, he's feeling a little weaker.
	She's feeling a little weaker.
	You guys just had an argument.
	It's like, yeah, it's like, why are you going to put yourself in a position where lust can take over?
	The Bible says, I'm going to bring it to the Bible because this is the truth, right?
	The Bible says that it's not.
	Yeah, but not everybody here is Christian.
	So that's lust.
	I know, but I have to bring it up because that's where I'm going to be.
	That's not going to be compelling to an atheist.
	Well, I have to plant the seed.
	Okay.
	That's my job.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, we have to flee from lust.
	That's just the thing.
	And I don't know why, if you're in a relationship that you would put yourself in a position to be tempted, especially if it's consistently.
	What I find interesting is, I forgot your name.
	Sorry.
	It's Mahi.
	Mahi.
	Rude.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	I think you were over here.
	I asked her.
	That's so.
	I'm sorry.
	Forgive me.
	Go ahead.
	No, how she actually says the opposite.
	Like, I find that super interesting.
	She's like, I want to see what my guy's going to do and like how he's going to react.
	I 100% would not be that confident.
	Like, personally, I'm like, oh, oh, no, no, no.
	You stay home.
	Whatever.
	But she's totally on another, you know what I mean?
	So to each their own.
	I think it's like, it's nothing to do with confidence.
	It's just like, if I would want to find out sooner than later.
	Like, say he didn't go partying.
	Say he didn't do anything and then we get married.
	And then 10 years later, like he somehow ends up at a party and then he ends up cheating on me.
	Like I just, it's not like I want him to be constantly tempted, but I want to see how he acts in these situations just so I know he's the right one.
	Like I don't want obviously someone who's lustful for other women, but if he's not put in these situations, how will I ever know?
	To play the devil's advocate, Phil, like, how would you know?
	I mean, if, I mean, I mean, just like, I'm just playing the devil's advocate.
	I don't know.
	I feel like if you find out your husband's cheating on you, maybe you don't find immediately.
	Sometimes people don't find out at all.
	But I mean, with social media with like all our apps and everything, I feel like you could find it on his phone.
	Lust is inevitable at this point.
	So it's better to find out sooner than later the temptation of lust that you were talking about.
	Like I said, I'm not Christian, but I do, I like the truth in that statement.
	It's like if you detach yourself from lust or from any temptation, this could go with drugs or in this case, it's going with love.
	You don't even have to deal with it.
	But let's say in that situation, I'd rather find out sooner than later.
	I could let my boyfriend roam free with dozens of models.
	And I know that at the end of the day, because we are built on a foundation of trust, he'd still choose my stinky ass.
	Because it's down to the soul, you know what I mean?
	So I'd rather find out sooner than later.
	It's down to the soul, man.
	I guess the point of the dream world hypothetical is to articulate the point of the gender difference.
	So, what I described there, where your boyfriend goes to the club, and all these girls are hitting on him and trying to buy him drinks, and they want to fuck him that night.
	That doesn't happen.
	The reverse happens.
	Women go to the club and men buy you drinks.
	They're flirtatious.
	They want to sleep with you that night if they can.
	Or it's a party, whatever, if you're not 21.
	That's the reality.
	And so it's like when you flip, when you kind of put it in that paradigm, it's like, I don't know if I'd feel comfortable with like hordes of women just like enthusiastically offering up sex to my boyfriend.
	Yeah.
	You can kind of see, but you can maybe better see the perspective because from us men, it's like if we go to the club and we're being good, girls ain't coming.
	Girls aren't coming up and talking with us, generally speaking.
	They might.
	I mean, like, look, it depends on the man.
	And also, like, as far as you go, I mean, okay, I'm not going to even talk about like looks, but like, because you are sort of like a notable figure, women will 1,000% talk to you, you know, try to associate with you because they know who you are.
	That's a very real thing.
	My audience is mostly men.
	So, I mean, it's like 80-20.
	It's like 80% men.
	But, girl, look, I think for that level of clout, like, you need to be either like it has to be an interest of hers or like you have to be proper famous and be like a musician, actor, like something else.
	Like, girls don't really, like, girls don't really, I think they don't really care that much.
	Like, if you're like semi-famous on YouTube, like girls don't really give a shit.
	Unless they're a fan.
	Now, that's different, though.
	But, like, if I was at a club and some girl was like, hey, yo, that's that guy with that pod.
	First off, they'd be like, fuck that guy.
	They'd be like, fuck him.
	But they're not like the girl be like, oh, okay.
	Cool.
	I don't think they're going to, like, I think, unless, again, unless she's a fan, then that's a different dynamic, though.
	Then you got a groupie.
	That's different.
	But like, a girl could see somebody who's got real high status, like famous athlete, musician, actor, whatever.
	Even if she's not really familiar with him, that status will become attractive in that context.
	But a YouTuber, I don't think girls give a shit.
	I don't know.
	I've seen girls give a shit.
	I've seen a lot of girls just go up to guys, like, especially at like the parties that UCSB.
	There's a lot of girls going up to guys.
	Sure.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was actually going to say that.
	Like, you said, like, it's a lot, like, the majority is men, but I was going to say, what I've seen, like, I would say it's like maybe like 30, 70, 60, 40.
	That was ultimately my point: is even if women will go up to guys, I would say, and I think that attention is a bit skewed.
	So, like, you'll have, say, you have 100 girls in the club, 100 guys in the club, 100 girls in the party, 100 guys in the party.
	The tension will be skewed.
	Like, men will more proportionately distribute the romantic or sexual interest to all the girls.
	Whereas, like, I think the girls are going to like hyper-focus in on like 10 of the dudes out of the hundred.
	And you actually see this with like dating apps, for example.
	I feel like recently men get shyer and shyer and like more and more scared of to talk to women.
	Probably for a good reason sometimes.
	But I would argue though that if you do look at the frequency of which people get approached at the bar or club, to your point, that even if it is the case that women do occasionally approach men, what I'm trying to talk about here is even though that happens, it's overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly the case that women are going to be the ones who get approached.
	Like, I would say you put an average dude, like, think about the last time you went to Target or Walmart or CVS.
	You put the cashier at CVS in a nightclub, no girls are, that guy's not talking to anybody the entire night if he's just kicking it.
	You put the girl who works at CVS in a nightclub, bro.
	She's getting, she's seven dudes, ten dudes are coming to talk to her.
	Coming to talk to her.
	That's how it is.
	I just want to, like, I know women, it's, yeah, if you look at it, majority women get hit on more.
	But if your partner is respectful, why does it matter?
	Like, she would reject him and go on with her night.
	Like, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, I know so many people who, their boyfriends still limit them, but I've seen them, like, like, they reject the guy.
	Like, they've never even played into it.
	Yeah, sure.
	And that's what all, like, that was what I said.
	Like, I feel like you shouldn't, relationships shouldn't be like that.
	Like, you shouldn't be restricting your partner, especially if they're respectful.
	I don't understand really what they're worried about.
	I feel like they should also be not like happy, but like, they should be, I don't know how, like, they should be happy that their partner is also rejecting and they should have more trust in a relationship because of that.
	That was just like mostly my point.
	Do you think like in all instances of somebody cheating that like there was major issues in the relationship?
	Or could it be the case that like alcohol, hot dude, hot girl, oops, made a mistake, cheated.
	But then also, shouldn't if you found out your partner cheated, shouldn't you, I guess, kind of be glad that you found out and you aren't like putting a lot more effort into the relationship or spending more time with them?
	Like, at least that's how I think about it.
	I think that's how my partner also thinks about it.
	Like, we are kind of like, we don't, we're putting each other, like, we don't care that we're putting each other, like, we're in these situations is because if one of us ever messes up, then that kind of just shows the type of person we are and that we wouldn't want to waste any more time or effort that we're putting into the relationship.
	Well, I think that's a compelling point, and it's a good argument.
	I think what I would point to, though, is that people make mistakes.
	People fall into temptation.
	And hold on.
	Somebody's saying something in the chat.
	I have no idea what.
	I think people make mistakes.
	People fall into temptation.
	You throw alcohol in the mix.
	I think it's okay for people to, in a relationship, to do, it's called like mate guarding.
	So like trying to, you might consider controlling or whatever.
	I do, I personally consider more so having boundaries.
	I think that's kind of normal.
	And it's like, hey, I don't want you doing XYZ.
	I don't know.
	We're going to move on to a new topic.
	We have Pasty George here.
	from the government of jorge donated 200 and four cents that's the thing about today's modern women influenced by feminism it's all about them and a man can never have a hobby she will often sabotage or guilt trip him from enjoying his chill time Wait, can you just, again, just, if you're going to speak, please speak into the microphone.
	Do you want to repeat it into the mic so we can who hurt you George?
	George, who hurt you, George?
	George.
	Who hurt you, George?
	I love how he's just like putting out statements and like there's not really any questions, but it's fun.
	No, it's cool.
	I think it's fun.
	It's cool.
	He's welcome to ask questions, though.
	Who hurt you, Pacy George?
	Was it some it was a it was a uh it was a Vancouver chick, wasn't it?
	He's Canadian.
	Some girl from Vancouver broke this guy's heart.
	Broke my heart, Vancouver.
	Okay, anyways.
	Oh, whoops, what the fuck?
	Why did I play that?
	Okay, we're gonna get into this thing really quick, but you're uh welcome back.
	Uh, welcome back to the table.
	I did tell you, though, we would try to at least finish off your criticisms when you did rejoin.
	Uh, did you want to finish that convo off?
	Sorry, say that again.
	Did you just spaced out for a second?
	I'm genuinely sorry.
	I spaced out.
	Can you repeat that, please?
	Yeah, just again, though, can you just speak closer to the mic?
	I'm sorry.
	Can you repeat that again, please?
	Yeah, you stepped away for a moment.
	You said when you came back, you'd be fine to finish off the converse we're having.
	I don't intend on lingering it.
	Lingering.
	It's all good, man.
	It's just been a long week.
	I had to take a little moment.
	You know, I'm not really used to sitting in one place for like eight hours at a time and just talking and talking.
	So I had to take a little step out, but I'm not.
	Your ancestors.
	Wait, did you say you were Eastern European?
	I'm Moldovan, yes.
	Moldovan.
	Your great-great-great-great ancestors before they came to the United States.
	Do you know your family tree?
	Vaguely, they're from this tiny little Moldovan village called Chilukani, and we all got fucked by the Russians.
	Not like actually.
	Do you know when like your when your family like immigrated here?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm a first-gen American.
	Both my parents are fresh out Moldova.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	I was going to say, if you've been here a couple generations, I was going to say, like, shit, going back to like 17, 1800s, 1900s, whatever.
	Your ancestors came here on a boat, and the journey took six to eight weeks, and half the people on the boat died, and you're sitting, and fucking, you got scurvy and shit.
	It's like, come on.
	You know what I mean?
	I wish that was the case, but my dad smuggled my mom across the border by plane.
	Yeah, that's also kind of a little crazy, right?
	There's a lot to unpack.
	Your dad.
	She's legal now.
	Your dad sat on an airplane for 20 hours coming from Moldova.
	You know, you got to transfer in fucking Paris.
	I was just out there.
	Moldova's fucking beautiful.
	Shout out.
	I was planning on staying there and just becoming like a goat farmer.
	Yeah, Europe's cool.
	Europe's dope.
	What were we talking about?
	Yeah, just I wanted to, again, I really don't want to linger long.
	I just wanted to get through the conversation super quick.
	Hey, your criticisms.
	I just wanted to get through your criticisms.
	Do you want to at least elaborate a little bit?
	And again, I'll literally, we get through it.
	I'll be off of it within five minutes.
	Correct me.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	Maybe this is just because sitting in one conversation and talking about from what it seems to me are very superficial, frat, sorority, boy girl, boy girl, at least from my perspective on my life for like eight hours straight.
	I'm offended on her behalf that you're throwing sorority girls under the bus.
	This is that you're like really rude to Greek life, okay?
	Greek life.
	Nothing wrong with Greek life.
	Plenty of high IQ conversations happening at SIGAP.
	Trust me.
	Big, big high IQ conversations happening at SIGAP, at what is it, ATO, at, I don't know the other frats here.
	The beta Zeta.
	Mahi knows her geography, though.
	And history.
	Like she's A1 when she like.
	Yeah, she, yeah.
	I love my sorority homegirls.
	It just kind of feels weird for like 36 years old, sir.
	You don't mind me asking?
	And he's just kind of like sitting here like asking about the intricate dynamics of like Greek life.
	I don't know.
	It's just new to me.
	I wasn't asking about the, you brought up the Greek language.
	It's just for eight hours straight.
	I can't really concentrate on it much.
	And I'm constantly recorded.
	It's just all new to me.
	So I need to take a step back.
	But hey, man, this is your show, and you let me in on here.
	So I'll take breaks as needed.
	But it's like, it's each their own.
	I appreciate being here.
	I just had to take a little moment out.
	I'm just not used to yapping for like seven hours straight.
	But you wanted to continue the conversation, so that's just me finishing it up.
	But like, appreciate it, man.
	No, but what does any of that have to do with your original criticisms?
	We wanted to talk about this.
	What's the problem?
	Wait, you invoked my age.
	I'm a little confused there.
	What was the issue with the age thing?
	I don't know.
	It just feels kind of off to me.
	We have a 33-year-old, 26-year-old, 36-year-old.
	Don't remind me.
	Like, sometimes the panel's younger, sometimes the panel's older.
	We try to diversify the panels a little bit, just so it's not just like it's not just 30-year-olds, it's not just 20-year-olds for sure.
	But what's weird about it?
	I don't know.
	It just kind of rubbed me off the wrong way, considering why.
	Why can professors who are like in their 50s, 60s, and 70s talk to them for hours on end?
	But I can't have a one-time.
	Good point.
	And by the way, they have to like pay the professors.
	Like they probably, some of them are going into debt, taking on student loan debt.
	I mean, I don't actually see the issue with somebody who's older talking to a younger adult.
	What's the actual criticism?
	You want to walk that one back?
	It's all good.
	We can just talk about it.
	It's all good, Brovsky.
	It's all good, Brevski.
	No, it's.
	What is it?
	It gives you the ick.
	No.
	So is it like if a father talks to his adult, like young adult daughter, that's weird because he's older than her?
	Listen, man, it's.
	I gotta go.
	Don't get in your feelings about it.
	Wait, don't get me wrong.
	Don't get in your feelings about it.
	I'm not, man.
	I'm not, man.
	I'm just ready to move on to the next conversation.
	Well, you bring these things up that you beget.
	No, well, you're like, you brought up, Brian.
	It's kind of weird that you're 36, blah, blah, blah.
	It's like, okay.
	You beget the conversation.
	So you don't want to explain why it's weird?
	Like, I'm just trying to understand.
	She said fair point.
	Like about the professor comment.
	Yeah, I said fair point.
	Well, about the professor comment, but she still thinks it's weird.
	Could we just move on, please, man?
	You brought up this conversation.
	I spoke my thoughts.
	You spoke your thoughts.
	I said fair point.
	Let's move on to the next conversation.
	What about the other criticisms, though?
	There was the other stuff.
	This was like an hour ago, dude.
	I said my points.
	You said your points.
	I said fair point.
	Why are you getting in your feelings about it?
	I'm not upset.
	Neither am I. You seem a little upset by it.
	You're like, move on.
	If it wasn't a big deal, you wouldn't be like, just move on.
	You're pouting.
	Now you're pouting.
	I'm not pouting, man.
	I just don't know about something else.
	Your tones completely.
	I just genuinely want to talk about something else.
	We just want to talk about it.
	Okay, but now we're in a meta conversation.
	If I say, hey, I'm just going to, I want to hear your criticisms.
	I'll address them, then we'll move on.
	But now you're doing a stonewall where you're like, eh, I'm just not going to state my criticisms.
	But I already did several times, and you're just kind of picking at them, so I'd rather just continue with the conversation we were having before.
	I spoke my mind and that's all I really asked.
	I was asking for clarification on what your criticisms were.
	I don't know why I'm really not even pushing all that hard here.
	Dude, me neither.
	I'd rather be afraid of that.
	But you're like, oh my God, you're like floating in.
	But you brought all this up.
	This originated with you.
	I stepped away.
	You got up.
	Come back ready to talk about, join the conversation that we're having.
	But the moment I step back in, it's like I was trying to contribute to their conversation.
	Yeah, no, but when you were back there, I said, hey, when you come back, and before you left, you said you needed a breather.
	I did.
	We said we would revisit the conversation so you could have the breather and then finish off the conversation.
	I'm being good faith.
	I said, I just want to have the convo and then we'll move right.
	You're just stalling.
	You're delaying.
	We'll move right back into the dating conversation.
	But I think it's fair when you like, I step away from the podcast.
	It's just a lot of this to me seems like really superficial, especially considering that like a 36-year-old man is leading a full-grown conversation, almost like really like gritting into like 18, 19-year-old girls about our relationship with birth and sex.
	And we're still discovering this process.
	And every time we make a remote flaw and lapse in judgment, it's just, look, maybe I have this wrong.
	Maybe I have this incorrect.
	Like I said, I'm not really used to Hollywood or being filmed for eight hours straight.
	Trust me, if you're on the Hollywood film set, they film for 12 hours.
	So I don't know I know.
	No, I know.
	Major shows.
	Like if you look at Game of Thrones, it's an absolute fucking grind.
	I don't really understand the objection.
	But again, the age thing, I can't really change my age.
	You guys can't change your age.
	It is what it is.
	I don't see why that's a criticism.
	Like, you think this would be a more productive conversation if some like frat boy who's never had a girlfriend was leading the convo?
	No, I just, I wasn't like he'd probably be talking about eight hours straight conversation about just pretty superficial topics.
	I don't know.
	I thought.
	I think this has actually had the conversation has had massive amounts of depth.
	Superficial would be like, what's your favorite sex position?
	Which we've got.
	Get point.
	Get point.
	I think this is not super fit.
	What's the opposite of?
	Chat, what's the opposite of superficial?
	Like deep depth?
	I apologize, man.
	Let's just keep this going.
	I think that the nature of the conversation has actually been quite deep.
	We've talked about all kinds of different things.
	We've talked about, I think oftentimes I have criticisms that people find the show is superficial.
	You know, we talk about what's your body count or, you know, what do you rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10?
	We haven't even got there yet.
	We've been talking about, I think, deep shit.
	We've been talking about children, marriage.
	I think that that's actually pretty valid conversation.
	Good point, for sure.
	It's just, at least on my shoes, it's been eight hours straight of this.
	And I really have admiration for these guys' stamina because, to be honest, I'm ready to knock out.
	I'm ready to go to sleep.
	So I'm just want to let y'all take the rest of the conversation.
	Yeah.
	Like, I've spoken my mind.
	I spoke my truth.
	So have you.
	I've taken a breather.
	I'd rather just go back to the conversation we were having because you got me corn.
	Look, man, like, I had my critiques.
	You had your objections to those critiques.
	And I said fair, valid point, and now I think it's time to move on.
	Like, we've been ruminating on this for too long.
	Look, you got to understand, it's not your podcast.
	I'm the host, so you're not going to really dictate the terms of what we talk about, what we don't.
	I think it's fair game, especially as the host, if somebody raises a point for me to engage them on that point.
	If I want to talk about banana bread for the rest of the show, you guys will be hard-pressed to actually prevent me from even doing that.
	It'll be so down to talk about banana bread for the rest of the show.
	In any case, though, I guess the final question here is: you said that it's very superficial conversation.
	Why don't you ask a profound dating-related question that's actually profound?
	Go ahead.
	It doesn't have to be profound, but I thought this was too superficial for you.
	I thought you were bored.
	It's not that I'm bored.
	Okay.
	Okay, well, it's too superficial.
	Can y'all tell me some sweet stories about the hardest you've fallen in love or what love means to you?
	What?
	Womp, womp.
	I don't know.
	I just wanted to lighten it up a little bit, man.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	Sorry.
	That's it.
	That sounds more superficial than what we've been talking about, but can you guys tell me a little moment where you spooned your boyfriend and he was small spoon, little spoon?
	And you pegged him afterwards?
	I don't know.
	Good talk.
	All right.
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	To answer Chair One's question, I'm just quoting facts from the statements and experiences of many men who had relationships with feminist women.
	Also, we all know you are hurting, and you show a Tello L.
	Oh, for sure.
	Not going to argue with you on that.
	Like, yeah.
	I just want to keep the conversation moving.
	I want to hear these girls' opinions.
	I spoke my truth for the past, like, seven hours.
	This is not something I'm used to.
	I don't know.
	What does that mean?
	Speak your truth.
	I spoke my mind.
	I don't like that.
	Speak.
	Speak my truth.
	I believe in the truth.
	I don't believe in individual truths.
	I believe in the truth.
	Like objective truth.
	No, I know it's something that's...
	It's just a saying.
	Everyone has their own truth.
	It's my truth that the earth is flat.
	Well, objectively, the earth isn't flat, you know?
	Can we just continue this conversation?
	Like, I don't want this to be that long.
	I want to.
	You can brought me back on here, and I'm trying to, like, have a group discussion, and then it's immediately back to boom, Like, dude, you want it?
	It's cool.
	I was off of, I was making a jab at your my truth.
	Yeah.
	By the way, five hours is not eight hours, just saying.
	Okay.
	It feels like it, man.
	God, these lines have feel like.
	Shit.
	Shit.
	Here, we're going to do a little, okay.
	Andrew Tate, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Andrew Tate.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	So rate your own looks, scale of one to ten.
	Can't pick seven.
	Bye-bye.
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I'd say three on an average day.
	If I do myself up correctly, I could work my way up to a five, and that's about it.
	Lovely.
	What about you?
	6.5?
	Let's avoid like half decimals.
	No.
	Six?
	I guess it's going to have to be a six or an eight if you have to pick one.
	Can't pick seven.
	Eight feels high, six feels low.
	That's why he doesn't want us doing seven.
	Um, six.
	Okay, what about you?
	Eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	Is this actually Andrew Tate asking?
	A little old.
	Yes.
	Boy bye.
	I refuse to answer this question.
	Okay, it's not actually Andrew Tate asking.
	Now, do you want to answer the question?
	I abhor this question.
	I don't.
	Because Andrew Tate asked it?
	No, no, just in general.
	So if it was Kamala Harris who asked it, would you be fine?
	Anybody who asked that.
	It would be worse if Kamala asked it.
	Not gonna answer.
	I returned to it.
	Because I think you're conservative, right?
	So you're like, I'm not gonna answer that.
	I love that.
	Why?
	Just curious.
	Because we as people are so multi-dimensional, and it's no, it's the truth.
	No, not in looks.
	I mean, the question is about looks.
	This is the most like basic of the basic of questions in my life.
	I love it now.
	I don't, and I refuse.
	I am becoming superficial like she accused me of.
	I refuse.
	What's that MM lyric?
	Like, I am whatever you say I am.
	If I wasn't, then why would you say that?
	This is exactly the same quiet.
	This is exactly the same response that I would give to anybody who asks.
	Is it because you're a 10?
	No.
	Who asks, what do you bring to the table?
	What's wrong with that?
	Boy buy.
	What is wrong with that?
	Boy buy.
	This is the most.
	I love that question.
	Offensive, the most.
	Why is it offensive?
	Why would it be offensive?
	No.
	Okay, we'll come back to the table thing.
	All right, what about you?
	I'm not offended by the question in the chat.
	Yeah, I think people judge on different scales depending on what you're attracted to.
	I'd say eight.
	I don't know.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	I'd say eight.
	I would also say eight.
	Eight.
	Ten.
	Ten.
	Oh, I should have started over here on this side.
	Yes, queen.
	I'm a girl's girl, okay?
	I'm a girl's girl.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	So we got a 10.
	And I think you want to say you're a 10.
	Is that it?
	No, no, that's not it.
	No, that's not it.
	I just, I absolutely hate the question.
	I don't.
	She hates it.
	I hate it beyond measure.
	I will not answer it, period.
	Sue me.
	I will litigate this.
	I'm filing a lawsuit tomorrow.
	And that is the response of the truth.
	I am there.
	Here.
	How would you rate yourself on what's going on?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	I forgot to rate myself.
	I give myself a five.
	Nice.
	Give myself a five.
	Cool.
	You should bump that up.
	Can you go?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I always say a six.
	She's a ten.
	Eight.
	Give myself a five, yeah.
	Question: Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	I am engaged to a guy who's shorter than me.
	In heels?
	No, he's two inches shorter than me regularly.
	Shit.
	That didn't work.
	But he doesn't like me to wear heels, which I think is ridiculous because I love my femininity.
	I love to wear heels, so I don't like that.
	I wouldn't.
	Girl, I wear heels whenever I'm not with him.
	Let's put it.
	But he doesn't like it.
	Would you date a bald guy?
	No, I can't do the bald man.
	Oh.
	I can't do it.
	I was the bald guy.
	What if he goes bald, like eventually?
	Is that a deal?
	Okay, that's no, that's different.
	That's different because you're like, what do you need to get?
	Some people can really like pull off the ball.
	We'll go to Turkey and we'll fix it.
	We'll fix it.
	Like, I got you, boom.
	We'll go to Turkey.
	But no, I can't do balds.
	No.
	You can't do balds.
	No, no.
	Why?
	Why is that?
	It gives me the A.
	It gives you the A.
	It really does.
	Wait, my dad's bald.
	Maybe that's why.
	Maybe that's why it's like some kind of childhood thing.
	No, no, I can't do it.
	No, shorter, though.
	I love me a short king.
	I'm with her on that.
	I'm 5'10.
	Me too, my God.
	I'm 5'10.
	I can't do short.
	See?
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	Well, I guess.
	So, okay.
	You would then assess.
	You would then assess a guy with a perfect full head of hair is up here, right?
	Like, there's a hierarchy.
	Like, full head of hair, up here, ball, like, full-on bald.
	Or maybe Larry David.
	I don't know if you know who that is.
	Of course.
	I love Larry David.
	Curb your enthusiasm is like.
	Like, he doesn't shave his head.
	He's just got the hair on the side.
	I can't.
	And he's down here in terms of hair.
	Like, he's down here.
	I can't do it the no way.
	Wait, question.
	Would you date Larry David?
	No.
	I just like him.
	Who cares?
	I already told you.
	I told you from the start.
	I'm like, looks matter to me.
	Looks do matter.
	Of course they matter.
	Oh.
	Of course they matter.
	So some men are better looking than other men.
	Of course.
	I mean, duh.
	Duh, of course.
	Yeah.
	But you could maybe, like, let's say you had a hundred men in a room.
	Okay.
	You could.
	Bring them out.
	Bring them out.
	Good song.
	You could maybe be like, like, if I were to ask you, not rate them, but you could be like, could you put them in order of which ones?
	Ah, I see what you're doing here.
	Could you do that?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes, I could.
	And so maybe.
	Yes, I could.
	A hundred.
	Well, I mean, it wouldn't exactly work out this way.
	I'm trying to get at Brian.
	But, well, essentially I'm saying you're able to establish a hierarchy.
	You're able to establish this guy's better looking than this guy.
	Based on my subjective preferences, though.
	Because look, she just wouldn't be picking up.
	She just said we're literally the same height.
	I'm a tall girl.
	She's also, I'm 5'10 and a half.
	She's 5'10.
	I said, 'I love me a short king.' I literally let a short king put a ring on it.
	Okay, amongst like...
	What about the baby daddy?
	Was he a short king?
	No, he was my height.
	Okay.
	My height.
	But, but she won't do a short king.
	But see, I can't do bald.
	So it's like interchangeable.
	It's all subjective.
	Well, yeah, but I would say.
	Personally, I love my long hair.
	Maybe that's just because I like emo boys.
	Hold on.
	I thought you wanted the other girls to get involved in the condo.
	I know.
	I feel you're quipping.
	Do you know what a quip is?
	I feel like you're quipping a little bit.
	I just wanted to add a conversation.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, it's one thing that's like, okay, you want the other girls to have their time, be able to participate, but you find the need to like quip about.
	I just call it ad-libbing.
	It's like somebody says something, I'm like, retweet.
	I get it.
	Or like she says something, I'm like, yeah.
	I just said something.
	I'm like, yeah.
	You add up all those ad-libs.
	It ends up being like 30 minutes of quips.
	But anyways.
	So, okay.
	Hey, look.
	If you engaged in the debate earlier, I would have been just like, that's fine.
	But you're like, you want, hey, move the conversation on, Brian, talk to the other woman.
	Okay, well, then maybe reduce the quipping.
	Anyways.
	Okay.
	I'm still here.
	Of course.
	Saw that coming.
	Lil Rage quit again.
	It's not.
	I'm just taking a break.
	I really can't sit in one place for too long.
	Okay, for listening to me.
	I'm still engaged.
	I appreciate that.
	So ultimately, the point I was trying to make here was that you would be able to create a hierarchy.
	And then if we were to look at that hierarchy, we would be able to attribute some sort of ranking to the hierarchy.
	Sure.
	One, two, three.
	And it could be the case, for example, it wouldn't be like, well, you know, if it's a one to ten scale, 10% are 10, 10% or 9, 10% or 8.
	It could be like, You know, there's three who are ten, five who are nine, ten who are eight, uh, ten who are seven, twenty who are six, twenty who are five, twenty who are four, five who are three, five who are two, one who's one.
	It could be something like that, right?
	Sure, you would be able to rank order it.
	So the point is that you abhor you abhor the conversation, right?
	You abhor the question.
	I find it banal.
	I find it.
	Yes, I do.
	With my vocabulary.
	No, I do.
	I find it banal, and I just don't.
	I think there are way better uses of our brain cells.
	Let's put it that way.
	Well, I guess my objection here is just simply.
	I mean, look, I know I'm not ugly, and I know I'm not Adriana Lima.
	Like, I was a professional model, assigned model at that.
	So I clearly am above average attractiveness, and that's literally all I'm gonna say about that.
	That's it.
	Okay, sounds good.
	We have a chat coming.
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	Chair 4.
	What do you bring to the table?
	It does not seem like much.
	Also, you are a five on the attractiveness scale of 1 to 10.
	You won't answer because you do not have much to offer.
	Neat hard.
	Please.
	That is objective.
	And that's why you're behind the screen and I'm in front of it.
	Oh, shit.
	Pasty George.
	Hi.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	Oh, shit.
	She got you, Pasty George.
	Why don't you come?
	Yeah, did you get paid for your looks ever in your life?
	I don't think so.
	He's a very handsome guy.
	Okay, well, he needs to get a drink.
	Very tall, very handsome.
	Couldn't care less.
	Huge penis.
	Could not care.
	How would you know that?
	How would you know?
	Couldn't care less.
	Wait, he just has anticipation.
	Is there something you need to tell us?
	Yeah, right.
	Is this like a rhyme?
	Wait, I have a question.
	Has anyone ever noticed how blue Brian's eyes are?
	Wow.
	Is there something you need to tell us?
	Look, look.
	They are blue.
	But they were, I feel like they were more blue when he was younger.
	It's true.
	Can we see a picture?
	I like how you segue.
	They've become colder.
	Can we see a picture?
	I've aged.
	Wait, just wait a little bit, Felicity.
	I know you're trying to goon over my young pictures or whatever.
	Just wait, okay?
	We'll get to it later.
	Look, I've been like, I was bullied, okay?
	Like, since I was a child.
	Like, well, let's not drama dump.
	Let's talk about the table thing.
	No, but I'm just saying.
	So, like, this is not new to me.
	Like, your opinion is totally cool and fine.
	You can think however you want about my outward appearance, but like, I don't need anybody's validation for how I feel about myself, period.
	I see.
	Okay.
	But you also didn't like the question, what you bring to the table.
	Yeah, I don't like that.
	What's wrong with that?
	What do women bring to the table?
	Is my question.
	I can think of things, but I'm curious what you guys think.
	You want our children, apparently.
	Yeah.
	You've been talking about Gipper, like quiet back there, please.
	I know it's not your fault, but you guys don't be whispering back there fucking and shit.
	No, I didn't mean it like that.
	I said fuck in, and I didn't have anything to follow it up with.
	All right.
	What do women bring to the table?
	Is that like a legitimate question right now?
	What is pretty funny?
	Anyone bring to the table?
	We literally are the portals to life.
	You know that you would not be in existence right now without one of us, correct?
	Yes, I'm aware.
	What kind of a question is that?
	No, but I'm a little bit confused.
	So you, like, for example, she doesn't want to have kids.
	Okay.
	She's in a relationship.
	She doesn't plan to have kids at any point.
	I assume she brings something to the table for her boyfriend to want to be with her unless she is the table.
	I don't know.
	But like this idea that women, like that's the ultimate defeater, women have children.
	Are they first off?
	No, that's not.
	Are women actually doing a good job of having children?
	Do you want to be in a relationship with a woman and why?
	Do you want a man?
	Do you want a man or a woman?
	And why would you want a woman?
	I guess he's asking for like what positive traits do you bring?
	Aside from childbirth.
	Yeah, like personality.
	Pause.
	Wait, do you want a man?
	No, I'm straight.
	Wait, so then are you?
	Are you straight?
	Yeah.
	Does anybody here like die or anything?
	Just curious.
	No?
	Women quickly.
	Okay, so here's a better way to put it.
	Yeah, I can articulate.
	Here's a better way to put it.
	What positive characteristics do you have as an individual that you could bring to a partnership?
	Well, really quick before you answer that question, you said like this: women bring children, but okay, how about like when a guy is dating an 18, 19 year old, 20 year old woman, there's not an expectation that she gets pregnant anytime soon.
	So it's like, what is a woman bringing to the table beyond just children?
	Femininity, nurture, loyalty, exactly, loyalty.
	Thank you.
	Intelligence, intellect.
	Also, men, guidance, insight.
	I'm bringing these things too.
	No, I was going to say men also.
	Men, it's like you need men to have children also.
	Intuition.
	Men would bring that to the table.
	Intuition.
	Like spiritual intuition, once again.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Women bring intuition?
	Absolutely.
	Wait, let's test this out.
	Of course.
	Who here has dated a bad guy?
	Show of hands.
	Bad guy.
	Yeah.
	Abuser.
	Narcissistic.
	Psychopath.
	Sociopath.
	Some would say.
	I don't know.
	I feel like every girl has like I did a narcissist story.
	I mean, that doesn't.
	Intuition.
	That doesn't negate intuition.
	Thank you.
	I think that's what you're saying.
	Thank you.
	And also ignore those signs at the same time.
	And then when you're older, you learn not to ignore the signs.
	How is a man going to benefit from your intuition?
	Like, how does that benefit your partner?
	She has an intuition.
	Making life.
	Making life choices.
	I mean, I'm having a great intuition.
	I'm saying, like, what?
	Having a solid support system.
	Why are the majority of men dealing with loneliness with higher suicide rates?
	How is your intuition going to help that?
	Because you are bringing something that a man does not innately have.
	Men don't have an intuition.
	They have, they operate from a different operating system.
	They have more logic.
	We have more spiritual, emotional intuition.
	That's my take.
	I don't know.
	I know plenty of women that are like, I'm not spiritual.
	I don't believe that's fine.
	So that doesn't apply to every woman.
	Are you talking about yourself?
	I'm speaking, yeah, of myself.
	Yeah.
	Ultimately, though, look, if women can ask men what they bring to the table, that's fine.
	I think it's fun when men ask women what they bring to the table.
	I think the difference is, is that men tend to better answer the question.
	What do you bring to the table?
	Yeah, answer the question then.
	How did I not?
	You answer the question first.
	I did answer your question.
	I thought you hated the question.
	What you bring to the table?
	Oh, I personally, I just answered the question for myself.
	What do I bring to the table?
	Yeah, sure.
	I'd be happy to go into that.
	So, I mean, I think people bring all kinds of different things into a relationship.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm going to get to that.
	So, I think that obviously both men and women care about looks.
	We care about personality.
	We care about certain things.
	So, looks-wise, I think I'm pretty average-looking, but I think I do have one or two things in my favor.
	I'm tall, six foot one, blue eyes.
	That's probably positive characteristics on looks.
	But again, average-looking guy, don't think it's like most of what I'm bringing.
	The other thing I bring, though, is in terms of my success.
	I'd probably put myself in top 1%, top, well, I guess are we using percentile or percent?
	Top 99 percentile in terms of my success.
	This would mean that I am more so looking for more traditional dynamic.
	So, whoever I'm with never have to work a day in their life.
	Everything will be taken care of.
	Not to say that I don't have any expectations of a woman.
	I definitely do.
	But everything will be taken care of.
	You might not value that, but there are plenty of women who highly, highly value that.
	And then the other thing I would say is I have my head on pretty fairly straight.
	Don't drink, don't do drugs, don't smoke, don't gamble, don't really participate in any vices.
	Some women might not care about that, but I have my head on fairly straight.
	So all I'm hearing is money and no addictions.
	And so, what else?
	Oh, yeah, I'd say I'm massive amounts of ambition.
	I'm very creative.
	Hardworking.
	What's that?
	Hardworking.
	I've heard you say that before.
	Yeah, I'm very hardworking, very ambitious.
	I'd say I'm generally pretty good leadership.
	Can I ask you a question?
	How much of your personal success can you attribute to a woman?
	I don't really understand the question, but zero.
	Zero?
	Yes.
	So your mom having you, raising you, caring for you, you would say that contributed nothing to who you are today.
	Is that what you're saying?
	You've totally shoehorned in this.
	I mean, your question is completely incoherent.
	You're talking about my success with my business.
	In terms of my, hold on.
	Like, you, okay, your argument is incoherent, and I'll explain why.
	So, and you wanted to do this like straw man, basically.
	So you wanted to do a little gotcha there.
	I see what you're doing.
	No, I didn't.
	No, I'll explain that.
	You said, how much of your current material success is related to your mother?
	Not material, just personal success in general.
	Just things that you described.
	Your parents are like probably the number one influence on your life.
	But you wanted to not make it about my parents or my mom.
	You wanted to make it about women in general.
	So my parents raising me would entail both my mom and my father.
	Fair.
	Okay.
	Okay, but you're trying to do some gotcha.
	Well, your mom's a woman.
	So, but however.
	Did you interpret it that way?
	Because that's not.
	That's exactly how I interpreted it.
	Okay, well.
	And also, I don't see how it's relevant.
	How is it relevant?
	Like, yes, I'm prepared to sit here and say, yes, both my mom and father shaped me and helped craft me.
	That's all I'm asking.
	But I mean, a lot of it is also, like, I'll give them props, like, had great parents, wonderful parents, but I also believe in having my own agency.
	And I would attribute my success to, look, I had wonderful parents.
	They brought me into the world.
	They raised me.
	They took care of me.
	Fantastic, still fantastic relationship with my parents.
	They're great.
	Love them.
	But like in terms of, I don't even know how to quantify this.
	My parents didn't give me a million-dollar loan.
	Okay.
	You know, like Trump did.
	I'm self-made.
	Okay.
	And so perhaps, I don't know how do we extend this to any other.
	So then by this logic, anybody who's ever successful ever, what percentage do we attribute that to their parents?
	I don't know how to.
	I mean, yes, we all came from someone.
	I don't, what was that was sort of my point of view?
	Also, even if you had shitty parents, that can motivate you.
	Okay, my drugs and my drug.
	My dad's an alcoholic.
	I'm never going to touch alcohol.
	I'm not going to ever have a sip of alcohol.
	My dad was, you know, my mom.
	She was abusive, and I used that pain as motivation to become rich.
	Okay.
	So I don't really understand that.
	I don't know.
	I just don't understand the question.
	The conversation has been totally derailed.
	We're talking about what you bring to the table.
	And you said what you brought to the table, and it was like, well, all of that.
	I don't know why.
	My mind is blank.
	Yeah, I don't know why.
	I was kind of like belittled your reasons.
	Oh, all I'm hearing is that you have no addictions and that or whatever.
	I didn't say that.
	Your reasons are your reasons.
	That's all.
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm just trying to there's obviously like, I don't know if you guys want me to just like list some of the givens.
	Like, I don't know, I like treat my girlfriend well and like will care about her and love her.
	Like, but I feel like that's just like, it's not even worth saying.
	I'm trying to think of specific things outside of just like the bare minimum givens.
	Like, so I don't know.
	Well, you just listed your positive.
	There's probably other items.
	I'd say like, I'm like a, maybe a six or seven on the funny scale, but sometimes my humor is like, that was funny.
	Some people, you know, humor is kind of a, some people might think I'm like fucking Krinz, but I think I'm probably like slightly above average when it comes to humor.
	And like women value humor, so I don't know.
	What do you bring to the table?
	You.
	You asked me what I bring to the table.
	What do you bring to the table?
	I know how to communicate.
	I feel like that's just like given, though.
	No, it is not.
	It is not a given.
	Well, no.
	I am very emotionally intelligent, and I'm also intelligent, period.
	I have ambition.
	I have an IQ test.
	Sorry?
	Have you taken the IQ test?
	No.
	Half of those are like fake.
	Bull.
	I am a very nurturing person.
	I have a lot of goals and ambition.
	That's what you bring to the table?
	Yeah.
	That's very useful, though.
	I'm a very caring.
	Yeah, that can be a pro for me.
	you say you have goals and ambition you're talking about your career right i'm talking about wanting to make like what is your question You're not going to be able to do that.
	When you say you have goals and ambitions, that's related primarily to education and career, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, men would not view that as something you bring to the table.
	That is something I bring to the table.
	Your perspective to my perspective?
	I have a Pokemon card collection.
	I bring that to the table.
	That is a very different.
	That is not a good idea.
	I don't think women don't give a fuck about it's not worth anything.
	Women don't give a fuck about my Pokemon card collection.
	I don't actually have a Pokemon card collection.
	But I don't think men want someone who's lazy.
	They would want a woman who.
	Oh, she can be.
	Well, I just, you know, I know a lot of men who wouldn't want someone lazy.
	Like, they think ambitious is a good thing.
	Like, they want to do something.
	Men don't care about your money, your career.
	They don't care about yourself.
	I don't know everything I know, but out of the people I know, yeah, that's a very important fact.
	So whenever all the frat boys care.
	I don't care how she is.
	Oh, yeah, man.
	She's a STEM major.
	Yeah.
	That's hot.
	Yes, intelligence is hot.
	Yes, being intelligent is hot, but your ambition and the money that you're going to reap from said ambition.
	I'm not talking about money.
	What about Ben Shapiro?
	He brags about how his wife is a doctor all the time.
	He's successful.
	His wife is a doctor.
	It's a running joke.
	Yeah, I'm familiar with that.
	Again, you can point to the exception to the rule, but I think...
	Yeah, it's not number one.
	I'm just saying, like, I feel like the type of menu factor that I go for, I'm probably guessing that she goes for, like, they want ambition.
	Like, they like that we're ambitious.
	And that's what they'll tell you because feminism has sold you on a lie that you must put career above all else.
	That's not what we're doing.
	I'm telling you, your peers, even if they're your friends, are going to be terrified to ever challenge any of the mainstream narrative related to this.
	I'm telling you, I don't know if you have any honest male friends.
	Well, there's two things here.
	There's your male friends, and then there's the guy who's the guys who you're dating.
	I'm telling you, I'm telling you, especially living in California, living in a liberal area, going to a liberal college, trust me, men are really uncomfortable being honest.
	I'm telling you, men are really uncomfortable actually even putting forth even like milquetoast conservative positions.
	You are 20 years older than me.
	You don't have to be.
	There's 18-year-olds who are more conservative than me.
	I know exactly who I'm around.
	You don't know what our generation is like, and you don't know who I surround myself with.
	You're blatantly wrong.
	Sure, that's fine.
	I think it's nurture and nature.
	So I think just you can say that there's a nurture that's occurring where these men are like basically brainwashed into believing this sort of thing.
	But I would say that if we're having a conversation about nature, not nurture, then men don't really care about the intellect is different than like your career.
	And also, here's the other thing I would say.
	Do you think men lie?
	Everyone lies.
	Like, let me ask you a question.
	Let's say you as a woman or any woman is like really, really big on like college and really big on her career, and that's her primary focus.
	Do you think if what do you think if a guy's like trying to have sex with her, you think it's going to help him to be like, honestly, I like your personality.
	I think you're attractive.
	Don't give a fuck about your career.
	You think that's going to help him get that?
	What are they trying to get with someone who's just trying to have sex?
	I want a relationship.
	But the point is, is that men, like, for example, if a girl has tattoos and the guy doesn't like tattoos, it's not going to help him.
	Then he's not going to get with her if he doesn't like the tattoos.
	Men will sleep with women that don't meet certain factors that are criteria.
	Okay.
	Well, she's like more liberal in a liberal area.
	I think liberal men actually do care if a woman has a job.
	Let's go 50-50.
	You have to work.
	I work.
	I don't want to provide for a woman.
	You're thinking like ambition as just like career.
	Like, we're just saying like we want to do something with our lives.
	Like we are striving to do something better for ourselves.
	But even that, men, that doesn't.
	So if we're talking, that's good for you.
	Like, I think it's fantastic.
	But like you're just saying, like, oh, we're putting our career over everything.
	Like, you're making it seem like you're so ambitious that like.
	But I'm not saying it's bad for you.
	Like, I'm not saying it's bad for you guys.
	That's great.
	Fantastic.
	It's good for my partner.
	Except.
	Do you think that my boyfriend in 2025 wants to be the only person bringing money to the table and I can just spend whatever I want whenever?
	No.
	They want someone who's also contributing.
	That might be the economic reality, but what I'm talking about here is attraction.
	And it doesn't.
	I don't think it's an attraction trigger in men.
	Men don't care.
	Like, they might care from a pragmatic economic financial perspective.
	Shit, rents expensive, but not like I'm more attracted to that woman because of her career.
	Whereas I would argue you look at hyper success, like status, for example.
	Status can do a lot of heavy lifting for a man.
	If he's rich and he has status, it can do a lot of heavy lifting.
	But, like, for example, Beyonce, billionaire, I think.
	Beyonce's a billionaire, massive amounts of status, one of the most popular music artists of all time.
	You put her in a club next to like some baddie 21-year-old who has no money.
	I'm telling you, the guys in the club aren't looking at Beyoncé like, I can promise you they are looking at Beyoncé.
	Well, if they're gonna pick, they're picking the 20-year-old.
	21-year-old.
	I don't agree with that.
	They are a lot of young guys, they're like the cougars nowadays.
	I'm just saying, genuinely speaking, they really do.
	Yeah, the times have changed, honestly.
	They have, but also, I kind of associate like intelligence also with ambition.
	Like, if you're so intelligent, I feel like you would want to do something with that intelligence, and therefore, you're trying to do something with your life, and that kind of equals like ambition.
	Like, if you're saying, like, oh, like, men don't like woman who are ambition, you're basically saying, like, they don't like women who are intelligent.
	It's just not part of the equation.
	I'm not saying it's wrong that you're ambitious.
	My primary argument here is that it's great for you if you're ambitious, wonderful.
	But a guy's not going to be attracted to someone who's lazy.
	If you just lay around and you don't do anything, you're not going to like that.
	Well, so this question: what do you bring to the table?
	The only reason that I don't like it, and I don't know if this is the reason that you don't like it, is because every time that I have been asked this question, it had to do with my finances and my career.
	And that was why I didn't like to have that question asked.
	Yeah.
	Oh, well, that's, I mean, yeah, no, no, she's right.
	I would agree with you on that.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Then that's a guy who actually cares about the finances or I would agree with you on that.
	Yes.
	To her point, yes.
	Generally speaking, though, even young guys, it's really not a factor.
	It doesn't make you more attractive.
	I mean, attraction comes first.
	It comes first for women as well.
	But that's not the only thing that anyone looks for in a relationship.
	Well, okay.
	So do you guys think that there's perfect in terms of what men want, what women want?
	It's just men want the exact same things as women.
	No.
	Is it fair to say that there's differences between what men find attractive, what women find attractive?
	Absolutely.
	Right.
	So I think in this specific regard, I believe an asymmetry exists.
	I think women place way more value.
	I'm not saying it's the only thing.
	I'm not saying women are gold diggers.
	I'm not saying any of that.
	Women place more value on status.
	They place more value on ambition.
	They place more value on money, et cetera, et cetera.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Men care far less.
	That is true.
	That is true.
	Men are extremely visual, and women, you know, I mean, once again, things are definitely changing.
	But yes, fundamentally, I think women do tend to like men who are masculine or exhibit masculine qualities who want to lead, provide, protect.
	And I think you're one of those guys.
	I mean, you just said, like, you know, my woman is not going to have to worry about anything.
	Like, to me, that shows that you're a masculine man.
	You want to lead your woman.
	You want to provide for her.
	You want to protect her.
	So I agree with that wholeheartedly.
	Okay, cool.
	We have a chat coming in here from our good Canadian message from the government.
	There we go.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Wow.
	Why would I waste my valuable time showing my face to used up 304s with high body count?
	Especially to feminist ones.
	I had to work hard for my money and never lived on easy mode until now.
	Good fun, you.
	Do you want a cookie?
	All right, we have multiple.
	Okay.
	Bye.
	Oh, do we have the gender swaps?
	Do you have them pulled?
	All right, really quick, we're going to go around the table.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Oh my gosh.
	In 10 years' time?
	Yeah, better looking in 10 years' time.
	Oh, I don't know.
	Wait, how do you get it?
	Let's get you want to beckon her back on this.
	No.
	No?
	Okay, better looking in 10 years' time?
	Same?
	No.
	Okay, better looking?
	No.
	No.
	And you're 36.
	Were you better looking at 26?
	No, I wasn't actually.
	So better looking now?
	Yeah.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	Okay.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	Better looking?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How about 20 years' time?
	40?
	No, but I don't think there'll be a big decline.
	Not a big decline.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	You're based off my mom.
	33, better 10 years.
	Like fine wine.
	Okay.
	20 years?
	You are a 10 girl.
	53.
	I'm going to consistently say just like super 10 all the way to the 10.
	Still 10.
	Oh, yeah.
	I didn't.
	I should have dug in on the 10 thing a little bit.
	And then better looking now or better looking 10 years ago at 23?
	At 23.
	Yeah.
	No.
	Wait, so better looking now?
	33.
	Will you be better looking at 43 than you were at 23?
	Were you like...
	Yeah, because I was strung out at 23.
	Well, just your looks, though.
	Just your looks.
	Like, if you weren't strung out.
	I feel.
	So, listen, I'm going to explain that the 10 is going to be a 10 from when I was born to when I go into heaven, all right?
	Because I see you.
	Yes, I'm going into it.
	You're going to ask anyway, so I'm just going to explain.
	I'm created in the perfect image of God.
	Okay, that's it.
	Okay.
	Would you, um, so you don't care when it comes to like who you would date, though?
	Do you not care about looks?
	He's going to be a perfect image of God, too, and he's going to be the one that God chooses to send to me.
	So, are you going to date an obese 4'11?
	Listen, my track record, I've never had a type.
	I mean, I've had some questionable ones, so we'll see.
	And then you, better looking in 10 years' time.
	Me?
	I feel like I'm going to be uglier in 10 years' time.
	Okay.
	Is that the question?
	Yeah, that's the question.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, my lineage ages horribly, dude.
	Hasty.
	George donated $200.04.
	After this, we have a good segment.
	Especially the young ones don't care about women's degrees, ambitions, and careers.
	She likes relationship.
	Only brainwashed, simple epitard men do.
	People are stupid.
	Oh, my God.
	Look, it's just a...
	He has a lot of time on his hands.
	And a lot.
	A lot of bread.
	Let me just tell you.
	Helen Lord.
	You have nothing better to do.
	Oh, a lot of time.
	There is nothing better to do than watch the podcast.
	Each their own, I guess.
	And you must have a lot of money to spend on this.
	That's curious.
	Sorry.
	I'll just drop it like that.
	I'm definitely not interested in him.
	Why not?
	He's.
	Absolutely not.
	Never.
	It seems things are on the fence.
	Things are a bit on the fence with your fiancée, you know?
	Even so, never.
	Okay.
	Look, ultimately, you might hate to hear it.
	It's an uncomfortable truth, maybe, for women.
	There's not like because I think women will attribute how they feel towards men and think men must feel like there's reciprocity, there's symmetry.
	There's not men don't care about your money, they don't care about your career, they don't care, they don't care from an attraction point of view.
	Now, they could care about well, now I won't get into that, but um, guys, we got a fun segment coming up here.
	We have put all of you through AI, we've put all of you through AI, and we've aged, advanced all of you, although most of you don't think you're gonna be so whatever.
	Um, but we'll do it anyways, just because it's fun.
	Oh, no, uh, Nick, we're gonna blast through it if you can pull it up for me, good sir.
	Oh no, all right, go ahead.
	Oh, oh, you know what?
	She ex out that's what my grandma looks like.
	I'm not gonna look at it.
	That is exactly what I'm gonna do.
	I'm not gonna parse.
	All right, next.
	Oh my god, that's not you're cute.
	Yeah, okay, yeah.
	You know what?
	Slay queen.
	Guilf status.
	I took some MILF.
	All right.
	Oh.
	Who said that?
	All right, next.
	Aging, like, find one.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, it's pretty good, you know?
	Yeah.
	Not bad.
	You know what?
	I'm not going to do that.
	All right.
	She doesn't like it.
	Next one.
	You're going to be prettier than that.
	Not looking.
	Oh, my God.
	Guilf.
	Oh, it's not terrible.
	No, it's good.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Total guild.
	Next.
	I'm going to still get it.
	Guilf.
	Guilf's across the board.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hillary Clinton over here.
	No, she looks like what's the one in Barbie?
	Margot Robin.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I get that.
	Do you get tired of hearing that?
	It's always hi, Barbie.
	Okay.
	That's the line.
	It's the line.
	Very original.
	Does it get tiring, though?
	No, it's kind of nice.
	It's a compliment.
	I like how tall guys.
	Oh, do you play basketball?
	Yeah, that happens too.
	Volleyball, basketball.
	Next.
	Oh, my god.
	Guilf.
	Guilt's across the board.
	Cute.
	Crazy.
	Next.
	Cute.
	This is how none of us are going to look finalists with plastic surgery and like don't get plastic surgery.
	We're going to be looking fine as hell.
	Oh, don't do that.
	I don't think we will.
	I wasn't planning on loving to see 20, let alone.
	Wait, what is it?
	80?
	Look at Chris Jenner.
	She looks incredible.
	She looks incredible, though.
	Yeah.
	Like, come on.
	Lindsay Lowen, incredible.
	Come on.
	Just age gracefully.
	I don't know.
	Just accept it.
	Accept it.
	Accept the wrinkles.
	If I have the money.
	Oh.
	Cute.
	Okay.
	Ex-cop.
	Lunch lady.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Oh, next.
	Next.
	Wait, where's you, Brian?
	It's coming.
	Oh, hell yeah.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Oh, cute.
	Next.
	Oh, y'all.
	Again, like, find one.
	Oh, that checks out.
	Oh, that checks out.
	Sex?
	What?
	Where's the other one?
	I like the other one better.
	I don't like that one.
	You still have those right animals.
	They screw me over, bro.
	Find the fucking.
	No, be honest.
	That's accurate.
	He looks accessible.
	And now, the next AI we've done, we've gender swapped all of you.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	We've made all of you men.
	Made all of you men.
	Let's do it.
	All right.
	So fuck you.
	You ready, Nick?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oh.
	What?
	For real?
	Wait, run that button.
	Hold on.
	I was trying to find something here.
	Wait, there's.
	Whatever.
	Maybe, Nick, hide us a little bit.
	Get it?
	Oh, yeah.
	He's cute.
	My brother do not.
	He's cute.
	I have a twin, so let's see.
	He's chopped as fuck.
	I don't know what y'all talking about.
	He's calm.
	If you're single, would you date the male version?
	Absolutely lutely not, bro.
	He's cute.
	Is that for real?
	What I'm gonna run with.
	Next.
	I see what's going on.
	Oh, how adorable.
	I'll let him in.
	I'll let him in.
	Does your twin brother look like?
	Not at all.
	Would you, if you were single, would you date the male version?
	Wait, pause.
	Let me see again.
	Sure.
	Super cute.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Yeah.
	I don't love the hair.
	All right.
	Next.
	Would you date the male version?
	Not bad, right?
	He's good looking.
	No, you wouldn't date.
	You only date white guys or what?
	What's going on?
	What?
	No.
	What?
	What?
	You even said what my boyfriend was.
	Is he white?
	I mean, he is white.
	He knew.
	He was the one before.
	He was men.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	Next.
	Hey.
	No.
	You wouldn't date the male version of you?
	Honestly, he looks Middle Eastern.
	He's like Gumby.
	He looks sort of like my little bit, but way better looking.
	So maybe.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I probably would.
	Oh, there you go.
	All right, next.
	I don't like children.
	He might be a Giga Chad.
	You don't like blondes?
	I don't like blondes, so this is a pretty good one.
	Do you like white guys?
	Huh?
	White guys?
	Most guys I've dated have been like Spanish, Tan, Italian, lots of Italian.
	All right, let's see.
	Okay, well, the eye got a little fucked up there.
	Assume his eye is normal, I guess.
	Looks very good-looking guy.
	It's a good-looking guy.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, you don't like blondes, though?
	I don't like blondes.
	Probably not.
	You'll get them the fats.
	He kind of looks like a jerk, not gonna lie.
	He looks very Eastern European.
	He looks like his name looks super Eastern European.
	It's like Kyle.
	Kyle looks gay.
	Yeah, he looks good.
	He's so blonde.
	It's the frosty tips.
	You know, nothing wrong with that.
	Just a little just tumor-like moment there.
	Do girls ever get frustrated?
	Like, you meet a guy and you're like, damn, he's so handsome.
	And then you're like worst personality?
	Yes.
	Oh, all the time.
	Gay guys, these guys are the finest.
	Gay guys are in shape.
	He's good looking, and you're like, I have the best look with Biben.
	Frankfurt, like, damn, I like men.
	Gay guys are almost always gorgeous.
	All right, next.
	Get one.
	Combination.
	Ooh, you.
	Yeah, why not?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Chisel jawline there.
	All right.
	They made all almost like beard.
	Wow.
	I don't know.
	They did you so dirty on that way.
	AI.
	He's so broke.
	AI is bad on that.
	Like a cleft lip.
	Something so dirty on them.
	He looks like Kamzat a little bit.
	You know what I mean?
	Kamzat, Kamayev, UFC finder.
	Okay.
	What do you do?
	I like Tears.
	Yes, he's the cutest.
	Do you have a preference?
	Do you like white guys, black guys?
	I don't have a preference.
	You'll date anybody?
	Okay.
	I think just a height preference.
	Okay.
	He's a little taller.
	All right.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Would you date him?
	Yes, because I almost have.
	He looks like one of the guys that I've dated.
	It looks so funny.
	You dated your brother?
	No.
	You said you.
	No, like that person.
	That guy.
	I have dated that person.
	Oh, shit.
	Before.
	Maybe you guys might be related, though.
	You might want to.
	Yeah, that's weird.
	You should do a DNA test before you.
	Oh, the rest, I guess.
	There's more.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Hey, Felicity.
	Felicity's divorce, right?
	Yeah, he was cute.
	Yeah, he's cute.
	You don't really?
	His hair's not all fucked up like it usually is.
	I guess your hair.
	He's cute.
	Really?
	That's creepy.
	Okay.
	Next.
	There we go.
	Yeah, I would date myself if I was.
	Yeah?
	Gary girl next door.
	Myself.
	Girl next door.
	I guess.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure.
	Let's do it.
	I feel like you're using a different app for you.
	That's an honest thing.
	Yeah.
	Do you think you're cheating?
	I mean, to be fair, though, it has to make up for like the other one.
	The age advance one was way more favorable for you guys and really harsh.
	Not really.
	Really harsh on me.
	You know what I mean?
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Oh, my God.
	HT George donated $200.
	Yeah, thank you, girl.
	Keep spending that money, honey.
	love the messages if we were the last man and woman on earth because she's a strong independent woman who doesn't need a man LOL.
	What?
	i'm not listening hmm why are you he keeps spending his money So keep spending your money on me, honey.
	Keep spending it.
	Keep spending that coin.
	Okay, we got more notes.
	We got to blast through.
	I think we got, let's see, we have Karina.
	You're repossession agent, repo agent.
	Did you repo your soul?
	What?
	Because the whole thing.
	You know how you like the whole.
	Me too.
	I also feel that way.
	It's been going on for the past like two hours, but he's about there.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	What about repoing my soul?
	Yeah.
	What do you can you can you explain what you mean?
	Because you're a repo agent and you like found Jesus or I actually made a shirt that says that yes.
	Okay.
	You said delivered addict.
	What does that mean?
	Delivered?
	I think it's in your IG bio.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Because I've been delivered from addiction.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Was it you said it was cocaine or other stuff too?
	This time around it was cocaine.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	You said you're single and celibate.
	Wait, hold on.
	You're homeless and living for Jesus.
	Oh, hey, look.
	This is not that hard.
	I know.
	I was waiting for you to bring that back up so that I can chime in.
	Gotcha.
	So, okay.
	How long have you been homeless for?
	Four months.
	So you're just like crashing on couches or what?
	I was hotel hopping for a while.
	That's not homeless.
	Well, I have a job because I'm a repo agent.
	But you live in a hotel?
	I was hotel, but I'm homeless.
	I don't have a home.
	I'm not on the street.
	I'm not in a tent.
	That's homeless.
	But I'm still, like, I don't have a place where I reside.
	So I'm hopping.
	Have you ever slept in your car?
	In my whole life, yes.
	I have.
	Right now, no.
	I don't know if that...
	Is that homeless?
	I don't think that's homeless.
	That's not homeless.
	She doesn't have a home.
	Wait, so hold on.
	If I lived in a hotel for a year, am I homeless?
	Technically, yes.
	A hotel is not a home.
	She's not like, she doesn't have to be like a home.
	Well, hold on.
	By this extension, renting is not your home either.
	Renting?
	Well, renting is your home.
	You signed a lease.
	Your name is on the paperwork.
	Wait, what?
	I can't stay in a hotel for a year anyways.
	You have to switch it up.
	In a hotel, you're living day by day.
	So if you don't have money per day or per week or whatever for that hotel, you are.
	How long have you been home?
	Homelessness.
	So, so hold on.
	Let me explain the whole thing.
	I'm not going to explain the whole thing, but let me explain.
	So, I was homeless hopping from hotels to Airbnbs and all over the place for a few weeks.
	And then I was gifted a place to stay for the last few months.
	So, how long total have wait?
	So, you are homeless or you're not homeless?
	I don't have a home, but I. How long have you been staying at this?
	You've been gifted the place like it's your own place?
	No, it's just a temporary stay while I find a place to live.
	So, you're like living with a friend?
	Yeah.
	Do you have a bedroom?
	Yes.
	Do you share the bedroom or is it your own bedroom?
	That's my bedroom.
	You have your own bathroom?
	Yes.
	You're not homeless.
	That's ridiculous.
	But it's not my home.
	Yeah, actually, it's a temporary.
	That's even better than renting.
	You're not paying money, right?
	You said it's gifted to you, right?
	Yes.
	Own bedroom, own bathroom.
	For three months.
	I have to be out by the end of the month.
	You're not homeless.
	I would like that.
	Yeah, no, you're living in the hotel and you're not.
	It's a fun situation to be stuck in somebody else's place.
	I mean, it's not.
	Well, I think it's better than having to pay rent.
	For three months.
	She's not paying rent.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right, whatever.
	It's not super bad.
	The Lord's hand was on it, okay?
	So that is how that happens.
	You're not homeless, though.
	You're not homeless.
	For four months, I didn't have my own place.
	You have, you're living in a home?
	It's not my place.
	Like, I couldn't afford to.
	So if you have roommates, you don't have a home?
	Why?
	We don't got to argue the definition of home.
	Oh, the definition of semantics.
	It's just like, I don't have a home to live.
	I think, like, hotel hopping is homeless, but I mean, you have a place to stay temporarily.
	You're not homeless.
	Who's a homeless homeless?
	So if I'm hotel hopping for three years, I've been homeless for three years in the same way that somebody who's been living on the streets for three years is homeless.
	Well, there's obviously a difference because you're not living on the street.
	I'm going to ask the chat.
	Chat, if you've been hotel hopping for, and by the way, she'sn't, she's been living rent-free at a house for three months.
	Where's my boy George at?
	Chat.
	Chat, if I'm staying at the Ritz-Carlton and I'm switching between different Ritz-Carltons.
	Oh, she's not Ritz-Carlton.
	Who cares?
	If I'm going from Ritz-Carlton in Miami to Ritz-Carlton in New York to Ritz-Carlton in Santa Barbara and I'm switching up the hotel, am I homeless?
	Wouldn't you say she has a home?
	Someone's not a bad person.
	I'm eating caviar at the Ritz.
	I'm eating caviar at the Ritz-Carlton.
	Am I fucking homeless?
	George, put it on a Ritz, man.
	How does this rage fade?
	How does this rage fade?
	She's not alive.
	Pull up the fact that you're not living.
	You're not at Ritz Carlton.
	If you're hotel jumping and every single night you are paying for a hotel, you're not homeless.
	I can't hold it.
	But if she loses her job tomorrow and she does not have money to pay for the hotel, she is then homeless.
	So technically, yes, she is homeless.
	Well, they might still have to get it.
	It depends on.
	Where are you going with this?
	I don't want to talk about fucking hotels and homelessness.
	I want a concession that she's not homeless.
	That's all I want.
	I want to temporarily not residing anywhere permanently.
	And also, she's been living in the house.
	She's not a hotel hopper.
	That is like different.
	Okay, how about this?
	Is she homeless?
	Like she said she's been living in a house.
	No, I don't think that's homeless.
	Thank you.
	W, lawyered.
	What the fuck?
	Wretch guy donated $202.02.
	Men need resources.
	Experience should be taken seriously.
	Women just need to be submissive, peaceable, have reasonable morals.
	But feminism is leading to become the mandate.
	You really seem to object to what he had to say there.
	What?
	Wretch guy.
	Thank you, man.
	Why are you laughing?
	What do you disagree with?
	Oh, this is just so funny.
	Well, what's funny about it?
	All of this.
	All of it?
	Okay.
	No need to expand.
	But what's this point?
	Who knows?
	Oh, freaking lovely.
	We have Pasty George here.
	Where he at?
	Where he at?
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Spending that money, honey.
	Being homeless means not having a house or apartment and actually living on the streets.
	That is not homelessness if you are staying in a hotel.
	BNB, temporary home/slash house, etc.
	So why don't you give her a house then if you have so much money to drop?
	Well, I guess, like, it's not living on the streets, but I do see it as less secure.
	Period.
	Like, like, going to home.
	That wouldn't mean she's homeless.
	Well, yeah, I see the difference.
	Less secure living.
	Less secure living.
	Yeah, but hold on.
	Wait, I don't even understand this.
	So, why are we arguing?
	Hold on, hold on.
	Final point on this.
	So, how about this?
	I live hypothetical scenario.
	Can we get a campaign?
	Stop, stop.
	Stop.
	Let me get through my thought, Felicity.
	God damn.
	Okay, so who's more or less secure?
	A billionaire who's hopping from luxury hotel to luxury hotel or the person who has a mortgage but has a house, but they're living paycheck to paycheck.
	Who's more secure?
	Billions of dollars.
	Right, but he's he doesn't have a house.
	The billionaire.
	He's not a billionaire.
	Obviously.
	Right, but I don't understand.
	The reason I was given a place to stay was because if I can't disclose who it is because it's just like a conflict, I don't want them to see it on this show.
	But I wouldn't be able to work anymore with, I have my dogs.
	And if I couldn't continue to like, like, I could have ended up on the streets, but if I had to do that, I'd have my dogs and I wouldn't be able to go to work anymore.
	So I needed a place to keep my dogs.
	But like, what is the proportion of people who are paycheck to paycheck in this country?
	Like, this idea that it's the degree of secure.
	Isn't it the case, like, a majority of people live paycheck to paycheck?
	This means they're one paycheck away from like complete catastrophe.
	Yeah, they're less secure, but that doesn't mean they're homeless.
	I don't understand.
	I don't even understand that.
	I don't know.
	I thought we like discussed that it was not secure living.
	Pacity George donated 200 hours.
	They love it, Pacey George.
	Every time you send one in a little boy, my mother was homeless for a year and was actually living on the streets while I was put into a foster home because she lost her job over a bullshit reason.
	Here's what I want you to do.
	Pacey George, is that why you're hurt?
	Hold on.
	Here's how I can do it.
	Here's what I want you to do.
	I want you to go to Skid Row in Los Angeles and be like, we're the same.
	I relate to you.
	That's not what she's saying.
	We are both homeless.
	If I go to Skid Row, you know, I'm going to minister to everybody over there.
	I'm going to evangelize.
	I'm going to bring Jesus to the streets.
	There's homeless people in Santa Barbara.
	I want you to go up to a homeless person in Santa Barbara and just be like, man, I relate, dog.
	I relate, homie.
	She's not even saying that.
	Yeah.
	That's what she says she's doing.
	You're totally taking this.
	How else am I supposed to bring up this?
	Chill out, Brian.
	Chill out.
	Yeah.
	Are you mad from early?
	Are you good?
	Oh, I'm just having fun.
	Chill out.
	Chill out.
	Okay.
	So there's that.
	We talked about the that stuff.
	Okay, you think OF is demonic, but we're not going to get nobody here does OF or whatever.
	Currently celibate.
	Mickey.
	Wait, who's Mickey?
	Mouse?
	Mickey?
	Who's Mickey?
	Oh, yeah, that was a flake.
	never mind um okay did we do oh mahi Let's see.
	No, we did already did that.
	Some of her.
	We didn't finish them.
	There's only a few more.
	Hey, you know, honestly, I blame, I blame.
	I blame George.
	Yeah, it's all George's fault.
	The reason the show's going long.
	So anyways, okay.
	Let's see here.
	You say relationships only work when the guy loves the girl more.
	It doesn't mean the girl loves him very little, but the guy has to love the girl more.
	Yeah.
	Why is that?
	I think if women are internally done with the relationship, they still will keep trying and holding on to the relationship.
	But I feel like when men are done in a relationship, they are just done.
	Like they will leave.
	I think it's the opposite.
	I think that I think men, they'll just linger in that shit.
	They'll linger.
	I think when a girl's done, I'm not saying she's going to dump the guy right away.
	I don't know.
	I feel like what I've seen majority, I feel like women will stay in it and try to keep it working.
	But if a man is just done, they will just break it off.
	They'll go on to somebody else.
	That's what men do.
	They just hop.
	No, that's what women do.
	Both people do that.
	No, but yeah, both people do do it.
	I think women do it more often.
	Women, I think it's way more often the case that when there's a breakup, the woman's already got the next guy in line ready to go.
	Guys take a lot longer to get over a breakup, a lot longer to get a new chick, generally speaking.
	I think it's the case.
	What?
	That's actually scientifically proven that men are emotionally more damaged by breakups.
	And I also think that...
	Let's go, Hannah.
	Cook.
	Go off, Queen.
	Go off, Margo.
	Don't call me Margo.
	Okay, Barbie.
	Good.
	Oh, Barbie's fine.
	She likes it.
	Yeah, I just think that both parties usually have difficulty with breakups.
	I also know men that will lead women on for sex as well.
	Of course.
	So men stay in relationships too for different reasons.
	Fair enough, but I will say that when the partner of a man, like let's say they it's old age and the woman dies before the man, the man will immediately, I've seen it many times, immediately find somebody else as a replacement.
	They waste no time.
	No time.
	And women are not that way.
	They're not that way.
	I don't know.
	I feel like girls, like girls are more likely to have guys in the friend zone.
	You have guys waiting in the wings.
	And I don't know.
	But look, it varies.
	Oh, look who it is.
	George.
	A message from the government of the world.
	George donated $200.04 to Chef 4.
	I was stating what actual homelessness is, and I never blamed my mother for losing her job because her boss was racist.
	But since you laughed at him, Felicity just stayed for her.
	He's really giving you a lot of money.
	I know.
	Send it to my bank account.
	I think he's a little obsessed with me.
	I think he loves me.
	You want to give me a ring?
	Go for it.
	You guys have to stop arguing.
	Oh, he's going to keep sending it.
	Okay.
	It's better for you guys.
	You said body count shouldn't define who you are as a person.
	For the whatever podcast?
	Not me.
	I'm trying to rush through this, guys.
	If you just let me get through.
	Body count shouldn't define who you are as a person.
	The people I know with high body counts, well, you know, with high body counts are still very genuine people.
	Your own boyfriend, your own boyfriend doesn't agree with you on this.
	However, W boyfriend.
	Yo, can we get some W's in the chat for Mahi's boyfriend?
	W, can we free him?
	Just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	I love you guys.
	You guys have a great relationship.
	But you guys fight on the body count thing.
	I don't say we fight about it, but we just disagree about it.
	And so, just curious, though, you said that your friends, you know girls who have, or maybe guys, I don't know.
	You know people who have high body counts?
	Is it girls, guys, both?
	Yeah, a few girls, honestly.
	I mean, I know, I think I've got a lot of people.
	How much curious for the girlfriends?
	I know one of them has like eight or nine.
	Okay, and is that the highest?
	Yeah, for our age.
	Maybe for your age, just a bit.
	A little bit, I guess.
	I mean, who knows?
	Some people be putting the freshman quarter, you know, first freshman quarter.
	You know, shit.
	Sorry, you know what?
	Like, obviously, like, sometimes maybe it does reflect your personality if you are sleeping with a lot of people.
	But I feel like a lot of people like to generalize if you have a high body count that it automatically means you're just like a bad person, like a lesser person.
	But like the people that I've seen is like they're all like still very intelligent.
	They hold on one sec.
	Hold on.
	Guys, hold on.
	We'll be right back in 10 seconds.
	Okay.
	Sorry about that, guys.
	We had a Okay.
	Sorry.
	So you were saying.
	I just feel like people automatically assume that they're lesser than or like they don't want a lot from life.
	Like, I just think like I've seen people who are like the exact opposite.
	Is she coming back or are you coming back?
	If he doesn't scoop me up now, he's easy to leave me here and he's my only way to get housing.
	To LA?
	Is anybody driving to LA?
	Like are you going back?
	No, this is all.
	Do you need a ride?
	We can get you a ride from one of the gals.
	Okay.
	He drove all the way here.
	Do you want to just say goodbye into the microphone or whatever?
	Felicity, if you can.
	Yeah, I got you.
	I appreciate it so much.
	Nothing has to do with this.
	It's just like I got a lot of other stuff going on.
	And this is kind of like the worst time to have it all going on because there's like three cameras with all of this going on.
	But you guys are incredible people.
	Even me.
	You know what?
	Yeah, even you.
	Even you.
	Aw, thanks.
	Yeah, you're cool, man.
	There's just a lot going on in outside world while this is.
	He needed the validation.
	So it's like, there's literally like cameras and people watching while I have all this shit going on.
	So it's, it's just that.
	But my ride's down here and he's been waiting for me for the past half an hour.
	And if I don't catch it with him, he's going to leave me here.
	I'm not going to be able to find a way back or a place to stay.
	So he's my only way out.
	We'll let you leave.
	One final thing.
	One final thing.
	Stop, One final thing here.
	We were talking about body count.
	You said that, you know, body count shouldn't define who you are as a person.
	We often, you know, just go around the table on this.
	I could tell you how to do your body count.
	If I'm correct, it's three.
	And all of them, I did.
	We were going around the table.
	Body count?
	I'm not going to share that.
	Do you want to do, you don't have to give an exact number?
	Would you feel more comfortable doing a range?
	Like range?
	Less than 10?
	Yes.
	Less than 5?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Four.
	Four?
	Okay.
	Also, not going to divulge.
	Range.
	More comfortable with a range?
	Less than five.
	Less than five?
	Okay.
	Don't want to say.
	We talked about this earlier, though.
	We did?
	Yeah.
	I don't think we did.
	Range, do you want to do a range?
	Less than you want to do a less than?
	More than?
	No.
	50?
	100?
	200.
	I'm not implying.
	I'm just.
	No, it's okay.
	By the way, Pacey George has a nice comment for you after.
	I'm not trolling.
	Wait, seriously?
	Yes.
	Seven.
	Finally.
	Seven?
	Okay.
	Less than 10.
	Less than 10?
	I honestly don't know.
	Did you lose count or lost track?
	I stopped counting.
	Stopping.
	Probably in my 20s.
	Do you know where you stopped counting at?
	Like at 100?
	No.
	20?
	No, it's definitely low 20s or he hasn't even made it to 20.
	And when you used to do OF, were you like you didn't do, did you do hardcore stuff?
	No, the only men that I brought in were my actual boyfriends at the time.
	Do you want to stay for the roast session that we're about to do?
	I think she really has to issue.
	I'll go text him in the limit.
	Oh, the Pasty George TTS come through here?
	Message from the government of Canada.
	Do you want to guess?
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Hey, C. Appreciate that.
	Nice guy.
	It's all love.
	I know it's all love.
	There's nothing you did wrong.
	There's nothing any of them said.
	There's just other stuff going on.
	It was like the worst timing.
	So I'm just here for the free food.
	Damn, what the fuck?
	So can I be dead honest with you?
	This was, I hit y'all up as a joke.
	I wasn't even planning on coming out to LA for this date.
	I was probably going to like bail out last minute and be like, hey, man, I couldn't make it because I was stuck in Florida and I was stuck in like a conservator situation.
	And literally on Wednesday, I like fled from that shit and used like the last little bit of money for my last seasonal job to go to the one place where I knew I could probably couch up and make something work out.
	And I thought I was making money from this and I realized I'm not getting paid for this.
	Wait, hold on.
	Hold on.
	You asked to be on the show.
	I don't know why the assumption would be anything to the contrary.
	So I last minute said, okay, you know what?
	I'll make it work.
	I'll come in.
	I'll just survive these eight hours of getting roasted so I can get.
	You barely, trust me, I've had way more intense debates with people.
	This was light work.
	This was.
	Usually it's not like this.
	Like, I don't cry like this.
	It's just, there's other stuff going on.
	I understand.
	So it's like, I sat here and I'm trying to hold myself together.
	I'm like, all right, bro, five more, four more hours, four more hours, and then you can get free food.
	But I don't really.
	Well, we had the food pretty early on.
	Yeah, but you didn't, hold on.
	You didn't travel all this way for a fucking free pizza.
	But anyways, I thought it was like a little bit of a title.
	Genuinely speaking, though, I know we disagreed.
	I know we had a heated moment earlier on the show.
	It's this cool, man.
	Yeah, I mean, I just want to say I know, look, we disagreed.
	It sounds like there's some other stuff going on with your life.
	You mentioned the conservatorship.
	I'm sure there's a lot going on there I have no idea about.
	Again, I know we had a little heated moment exchange.
	I genuinely wish you nothing but the best.
	I hope that if you're, I don't know if you're moving to Cali or heading back to Florida or whatever.
	But I genuinely wish you the best and despite our disagreements.
	So it's all cool, dude.
	And if there's anything else beyond just the disagreements on the podcast going on in your life, I wish you godspeed in resolving all those things.
	Appreciate that, bro.
	Yeah, take care of yourself.
	Thank you, guys.
	Go get your ride.
	Appreciate it.
	You guys are fucking awesome.
	And by the way, also another compliment for you, another compliment.
	The urban climbing stuff is actually quite impressive.
	Oh, super impressive.
	It takes a lot of courage.
	Like, I get uncomfortable.
	I get uncomfortable.
	Yeah, so, and that's super cool.
	So I appreciate you.
	Thank you for coming on.
	Appreciate it.
	You guys are fucking awesome.
	Felicity, if you want to.
	All right.
	Get home safe.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate that.
	All right.
	Speaking of, we have.
	Nashunabo donated $200.
	Go ahead, Felicity.
	For what it's worth, sorry, C1.
	Brian, belaboring the point with his tism was more triggering.
	I am autistic, so that's probably part of it.
	Yeah.
	Good talk.
	Anybody else here autistic?
	Anybody?
	Nobody?
	Really?
	I have ADHD or ADD.
	You have ADHD?
	That's practically autism.
	Okay, so sure.
	I'm not even sure if that's true.
	I'm just making shit up at this point.
	Okay, body count.
	Did you want to do range on the body counts?
	Get in a little bit.
	Oh.
	I really, I think it's like low 20s.
	I don't, I think that's what it is.
	All right.
	But really quick on the finalize the body count conversation.
	Do you think men are insecure if they do care about a woman's body count?
	They're like, oh, she's got a body count of 15.
	I wouldn't date her.
	No, but I do think like some I understand it, but I think some men take it to like a level of just like disrespecting the woman as a whole instead of just kind of respecting what she's done.
	I mean, instead of like, I don't know, I feel like they just kind of disrespect her of who she is and doesn't, and just judges her like completely.
	Nick, hold on.
	Sorry, I gotta go one sec.
	I just gotta do some private cons here really quick.
	Guys, we'll be back in five seconds.
	Okay, sorry about that, guys.
	Just had to do a private calm there.
	Okay, well, I actually don't, I don't actually see the issue with guys caring about this.
	Women have all kinds of preferences, standards, whatever.
	If a guy doesn't want to date a girl because she's hooked up with X amount of guys, I think that's fine.
	I don't even think it doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad person, but you do acknowledge that.
	I feel like people.
	I don't really know.
	Like, I feel like people just kind of look down on them for their body count.
	I wouldn't say a bad person, but they do look down.
	Curious on this, maybe going around the table.
	Would you date a guy?
	I know some of you guys are in a relationship, so hypothetical, if you were single, would you date a guy who previously had sex with men?
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No?
	He's bi.
	He's bi or whatever.
	So he's not like gay.
	He's not.
	If he was open and transparent about it and didn't hide it in like secrecy.
	Yeah, he just told you.
	He's like, you know, when I was younger, I'd slept with a couple dudes, S the D. Potentially.
	Maybe.
	Okay, what about you?
	I don't think so.
	Don't think so?
	No.
	No?
	Personally, no.
	We're going around the table.
	Currently, by like right now, in this moment, how about this?
	Just for the sake of it, used to be bi.
	No longer doing that, but used to be.
	Okay, then I would.
	You would?
	Yeah, but it was in the past then.
	In the past.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But why not?
	He's.
	I mean, if he's bi, then.
	Yeah, I wouldn't.
	But you.
	No, no, no.
	That's why I said that.
	Yeah, but you said it after.
	Oh, exactly.
	Sorry.
	Maybe I mixed up.
	Yeah, but if he was bi, then, yeah.
	Then you'd be fine.
	Does it change if he was the top or bottom?
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Like, imagine your boyfriend.
	Can we not think that?
	In your mind's eye.
	Oh, my God.
	Are you guys?
	What do you guys have against gay sex?
	Nothing that I like.
	Fucking bigots.
	We don't have to go in.
	What did I just say?
	Shea, you are such a homophobe.
	Door, do you have any more money to do that?
	How dare you, Shay?
	I just said that.
	Are you homophobe?
	Huh?
	You're funny.
	I'm messing with you.
	Actually, oh, no, y'all are the one who, oh, don't make me think about gay male sex.
	Oh, my God.
	In depth, you know.
	What's wrong about thinking about that?
	You just took it.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Next level.
	I'm just saying, imagine your boyfriend, like doggy by another dude that doesn't do anything to you.
	Oh, Lord.
	I would question.
	I think you're trying to think about this.
	Yeah.
	You're on to me.
	You're on to me.
	She got me.
	I'm gay.
	Yep.
	I really think it.
	She got me.
	Got me.
	Are you bad?
	No.
	No.
	Although I have a really good gay voice.
	Oh, my God, Shay.
	You're just so cute sitting over there with your little necklace and your little polka dots or whatever the fuck that is.
	It's very natural for you.
	Mahi, you're just so elegant.
	I love it.
	You're just so poised and elegant.
	And I just think, you know, you're going to be a great psychologist when you're older.
	Oh, my God.
	Slay queen.
	I think this is the real you.
	Oh, yeah, this is the real me.
	Also, Hannah, Hannah, oh my God, my little Margo Robbie.
	Oh, my God.
	You were just like the perfect little Barbie.
	You should have just been her stunt double.
	10 out of 10.
	Okay, I got the rest of the table.
	Hold on.
	Oh, my God.
	My little cutie little Christian girl.
	You are just so fetched.
	And then.
	Pretty good.
	I love that you have your little clothing business.
	That's so amazing.
	Wow.
	And then over here with you.
	I feel like you didn't really say that much.
	I don't know what to say, Tim.
	Your curls, oh my God, to die for.
	You.
	You're speechless?
	I'm just trying to think of something.
	Oh, my God.
	You are the best MILF at this table.
	I think you specialize.
	I think you're the only mom.
	Oh, my God, Felicity.
	You are like just the cutest little felon ever.
	Sorry, misdemeanor.
	Was it a misdemeanor?
	No, it was a felony.
	What did you do?
	No, guys, I'm just kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	She's the cutest little.
	I was never convicted, so.
	Yeah, you're fine.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Moving on.
	Innocence.
	Moving on.
	If you can't see yourself marrying your high school partner, you don't think there's any point.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Skip that.
	Attraction matters a lot in a relationship.
	People say as you grow older, you shouldn't focus on looks, but you personally, you want a partner you're super attracted to.
	It makes it harder for you to stay mad at them.
	Your precious, my precious boyfriends.
	No, I had my previous.
	Oh, you, okay.
	I thought, okay, okay.
	Previous, not precious.
	I was like, okay.
	Maybe he was gay.
	You said you weren't attracted to them, and it was so easy for you to stay mad at them.
	Ooh, a little toxic.
	You're a little toxic then?
	I mean, I was like, I was super young back then, so that's also a lot what had to do with it.
	I think I was very insecure, so I thought they were the best I could do.
	But I think I've grown since then.
	But also, I still do think like attraction matters a lot to me, and it is like an important thing that I want in a relationship.
	Okay.
	Look, I think whether you're a man, you're a woman, I think women care about looks, men care about looks.
	Totally acceptable for both genders.
	I actually don't have any issue with your position.
	What's that?
	You want me to argue with her?
	Okay, fuck.
	No, don't.
	You're 11:45.
	Yeah.
	Let's see here.
	We have school tomorrow.
	Thank you.
	Oh, my goodness.
	8 a.m.
	So Thathy.
	Wow.
	Shea.
	Stassy Shea over here.
	I love her.
	Well, Stassy Shea.
	I like that.
	You deserve that.
	You deserve the cattiness.
	Okay, thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Here, I got something for this.
	Where's that?
	Mine was better.
	Whatever.
	Okay, Hannah.
	We did.
	Hold on, we're almost done.
	Guys, I'm telling you, we're almost finished.
	We're almost finished here.
	Okay, we did Hannah's notes.
	We did.
	Oh, we forgot to do.
	I guess I'll just have to read it.
	The girl who was sitting there.
	Hold on, I think that's okay.
	No, it's one thing.
	She says she wanted to talk about, by the way, superficial.
	She said she has some fire past sex locations, LMAO, like Taco Bell backshots.
	That's literally what she wrote.
	She's getting back shots of the Taco Bell.
	At least, like, let it be.
	I'm sorry, that's hilarious.
	I don't know.
	Like, at least do it at a Chipotle.
	Not to be rude, but that's like fucking really gross.
	Like, that's like bottom of the barrel.
	Like, why is that a fire past sex location?
	That makes her really good.
	I mean, maybe it was really good sex at the Taco Bell.
	Good for her, but that's just like Taco Bell is just dirty.
	Yeah.
	What are some other like chains?
	No, Mexican restaurants.
	Chipotle.
	Chili.
	El Torito.
	Chilies.
	Chilies.
	El Torito, yeah.
	Del Taco.
	Chili's is like fusion.
	Oh, yeah.
	Del Taco.
	El Torito.
	Yeah.
	El Pollo Loco.
	That's a new one.
	A Matt, man.
	She should have.
	She's forgetting about the El Pollo Loco back shots.
	Let me tell you.
	Okay.
	Do we have Holly?
	Who's Holly?
	Holly?
	Oh, no.
	Sorry, those.
	Okay.
	Boom.
	Bree.
	I think we have your notes.
	Uh-oh.
	That's actually it.
	Just Brie's stuff.
	Okay, we'll do Brie stuff.
	Do fun things, and then we'll get this right.
	Actually, you know what?
	Here's what I'm going to have to do, guys.
	We're going to do, we're going to lower the TTS.
	Hey, y'all.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Hey, come on.
	You guys are in college.
	You know, you guys stay out 2 a.m., 3 a.m.
	You guys got.
	Get these girls a slice of pizza.
	You guys want, you want pizza?
	I'm going to feed you.
	Shea, I got you.
	Mahi, you want some pizza?
	Get these girls some food.
	I want pizza.
	Are you guys okay with cold pizza?
	How dare you?
	Absolutely not.
	I'm sorry.
	Shay, I apologize.
	Very inconsiderate of me.
	You should apologize for all of this microwave.
	We can't use the microwave as the issue because it interferes with the Wi-Fi.
	I swear.
	It's fucking hot.
	What about the oven?
	We can't fuck this shit up.
	I see an oven.
	If you want, Nick will use friction, rub two pizzas together, and just warm them up out of the way.
	That's what he brings in.
	Yes, I got you.
	I got you.
	Guys, here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to lower the TTS.
	We're going to do $69 TTS if you guys want to get a roast and $69 TTS.
	The girls are giving me daggers with their eyeballs because they're like, Brian, oh my God.
	So I got to feed these girls.
	Feed these girls.
	I'm going to feed Mahi.
	I'm going to feed Shay.
	Who wants some pizza?
	You want some pizza?
	Pizza?
	Maybe.
	Okay, feed the girls.
	They're hungry.
	They're hungry.
	Hungry.
	They're angry.
	Okay.
	I haven't eaten.
	I should probably eat, but I'll wait.
	I'll wait.
	Pizza?
	Pizza?
	Yes.
	For you?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So, one, two, three, four, five, six.
	Did you count me or not?
	Oh, wait.
	One, two, three.
	Wait, you want or don't want to?
	Oh, okay.
	One, two, three, four, five, six.
	Six slices pour for big slices.
	Don't be stingy, Nick.
	Nick, give them, don't, don't, you know, save the big slices for you.
	Give them a big slice.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, Nick.
	Wait, is that a piece of glitter on your mustache?
	What?
	It's maybe a flake.
	It's a sines game.
	Is it food or glitter?
	Where have you been?
	Either way, clean your mustache.
	Is there actually glitter?
	It's like a piece of glitter.
	Okay, I'll have to go to the bathroom and fix it then.
	Thank you for delaying the fucking Felicity.
	Stop with your quips, bro.
	I'm trying to wrap the show.
	Hello?
	Be considered a fucking broken.
	You're the one derailing it.
	You're talking about fucking glitter on my beard, lady.
	Calm down, lady.
	At 8 a.m. I'm holding you relax.
	Okay, can you pass me?
	Hey, Felicity, is that like a little hair grown from your mustache?
	Okay.
	My mustache is probably bigger than yours.
	What else is a lot?
	Never mind.
	So you're.
	Do you have a penis?
	Is what you're saying?
	Oh, yeah.
	That's fine.
	Good times.
	She, Felicity's got a giant wing.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	$69 TTS if you want.
	The bow video.
	Okay, we'll do that.
	We'll do that.
	Hold on.
	I need to change a few things here.
	Why don't you play the bow video?
	Felicity, you run them through the bow video.
	Yeah, explain it to them.
	Explain it to me.
	Okay, so this is a video of Brian's ex-girlfriend.
	The question is: Would you bow for the perfect man?
	Would you bow for the perfect man if he asked you to?
	I bow to Jesus.
	But would you bow for like the perfect man?
	Sure.
	Yeah, show the video.
	Show them the video.
	Just window tab.
	It's fine.
	Window tab.
	Thank you.
	All right, go for it.
	Guys, watch the video.
	It's very short.
	Go for it.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Huge bow.
	This is my expectation for my girlfriend.
	She's got to hit a bow.
	Got to hit a bow.
	And then I had my dinner ready.
	Very nice of her.
	She had my dinner ready to go.
	Very, very based, submissive housewife.
	I had to actually dump her, though, because disgusting.
	Yeah.
	Dumped her.
	Oh, wow.
	Dumped her.
	Over.
	That's quick.
	One more time, Nick.
	One more time, just the bow portion.
	Boom.
	Boom.
	All right.
	So, would you, for the perfect, I guess the perfect guy, would you bow?
	Would you do that for the perfect guy?
	Perfect guy.
	That's kind of silly.
	Is he doing it for me too?
	No.
	Oh, no, man.
	She.
	Next.
	Okay.
	That's a joke.
	I think that'd be hilarious.
	Like, every time they walk through the door, they just bow.
	We're going around the table.
	One at a time.
	One, one at a time.
	No?
	Sure, why not?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay, W.
	No.
	I don't think so.
	You wouldn't do it?
	I don't think so.
	Question for you, though.
	So you're Christian, right?
	You're Christian?
	You said you would do it or?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	So this is just for you then.
	Go ahead.
	So you're Christian.
	Yeah.
	So what does it say?
	Should wives in the Bible, right?
	You like to cite to religion.
	I will cite to religion also.
	The Bible does tell wives to what?
	Submit.
	Obey your husbands.
	Yeah.
	So if your husband said, hey, babe, I'd like you to bow for me.
	Why would you not do it?
	Well, I would hope that he wouldn't ask me that.
	But if he did, I would have to if he was my husband.
	But I don't feel like God is going to send me someone that's going to make me bow to him.
	So God will only send you a husband where there's never any disagreements, where he just agrees with you 100% on everything?
	I don't think the guy that God has for me is going to make me bow before him.
	I think also it says submit to your husbands as Christ does the church.
	It also says submit to one another.
	And it also says that husbands should die for their wives as Christ died for the church.
	Yeah, to say that.
	If you look at it in holistic content.
	So the final part you said there, yes.
	I'm not sure about the submit to each other thing.
	I'm not sure entirely the context.
	I'd have to see the actual Bible verse.
	And I'm not a theologian, but there are specific.
	So, okay, who submits to who?
	Does the husband submit to the wife?
	In the biblical marriage, does the husband submit to the wife?
	No.
	It says submit to one another.
	No, look, I'm not going to argue that specific theological point, but from a Christian perspective, Christian worldview, the wife should be submissive to the husband.
	It does not go the other way.
	It also says he asks you to do anything that goes against what God asks you.
	You're not allowed to go against what God says.
	So if he's asking you to do something immoral.
	Oh, yeah, of course, of course.
	Just to be clear.
	So if you're a Christian.
	So he's supposed to have this positive view and only ask good things of you as God would the church.
	Sure, sure.
	Of course, whether it's biblical submission or even regular submission in a secular relationship, if your boyfriend or husband says, okay, well, I'm dominant.
	You're submissive.
	Go jump off that building.
	Of course the woman can say no.
	There's no dispute there.
	Or she, okay, smuggle these drugs for me.
	Do these drugs.
	The woman should say no.
	But like, okay, I want you to bow.
	I probably should bow.
	I said no.
	If you're Christian.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	Okay.
	What was the next thing that we had?
	Oh, breeze notes.
	Breeze notes.
	Thank you, Felicity.
	$69 TTS guy, $69 TTS rose.
	Get them in, boys.
	Get them in.
	Speaking of, it's everybody's.
	It's Shay's favorite Canadian.
	Oh, my goodness.
	I prefer my parents.
	Thank you.
	Third favorite Canadian.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Hey, Brian, remember when Thin Brows wasn't your Caucasian when she refused to retune her makeup so you could get an opportune air?
	It was such an easy, simple act of kindness.
	It's so true.
	Oh, I was on whatever Wednesday, Pasty was about to drop.
	He was going to do an iPhone AirPop for me so I could buy an iPhone air.
	But then the girl wouldn't do something that he asked, so he didn't do it.
	Yep.
	Yo, but W. Pacy George Man, hey, you know, she didn't, yeah, whatever.
	She could have been the homie, but she wasn't the homie, so whatever.
	Oh, we have our good friend Wisdom.
	Barrier Wisdom donated $69.
	Thank you.
	Great show today, Brixon.
	As a Woodland Hills local and valley homeboy, I've analyzed Chair 4's liberal sass ego inflation.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Nice. Good times.
	Good times.
	Thank you, Wisdom.
	We have Wizard here.
	Hold on.
	Tsar7er underscore wizard donated $69.
	Which of three?
	CHR3 has a lot of trauma.
	If you need to see his reaction to other women, if you really knew men, his reaction today means nothing ten years down the line.
	Imagine him checking up on you when you go out each time.
	Do you want to respond to that?
	I didn't read it properly.
	It was spoken.
	Do you have trauma?
	No.
	Okay.
	W. W, no trauma.
	Okay.
	Oh, it's our favorite Canadian.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	If all of the panelists do this easy, simple, selfless act of kindness of removing all of their facial makeup, then Brian gets a free iPhone air.
	If not, this says a lot about them.
	What if I just don't want Brian to get a free iPhone air?
	Yeah, she could be malicious.
	She could just do it out of space.
	Do it out of spite, Pasty.
	And she was going to take her makeup off.
	By the way, Felicity doesn't.
	Who wants to take their makeup off?
	Anybody?
	I don't wear makeup.
	I'm not makeup.
	You want to take it off?
	Makeup?
	Anybody?
	Nope.
	Hannah?
	They said if any of the women?
	Wait, did he say he said all of any orders?
	Wait, does that include Felicity?
	Yes.
	Yeah, so if one of us doesn't agree, I'll give you guys a kickback, though.
	I'll give you guys a kickback.
	You're going to give us a kickback for taking off our makeup.
	Each of you gets a $2 bill.
	Bro, that's lame.
	Do you know how much a $2 bill is worth?
	$2.
	Do you know how much a $2 bill is worth, Shay?
	$2.
	You can go to a bank and ask for them.
	Yeah, or you could just get it for free.
	Wow, free $2?
	Huge.
	Huge.
	Also, these $2 bills are special $2 bills that you can sell for like $250, probably.
	That's right.
	$2?
	Sorry, Pasty.
	I don't think it's happening, Pasty.
	But you know what I think if, you know what I think we can do, Pasty?
	If, you know what?
	If you don't do the iPhone airdrop, I'm going to have my homegirl here come to fucking Canada and repossess your fucking Lambo, dude.
	He's got no big deal.
	He's got Lamborghini.
	My homegirl here is a fucking repossession agent, son.
	We know, we'll find you, Pasty.
	If he wants to give me the Lamborghini, I'll remove my makeup.
	Hold on.
	Yeah, if he wants to pay us.
	Pasty George.
	He was like, hey, I'm going to take off my makeup.
	Pasty George, that's a good deal for me.
	None of it goes to you.
	Pasty goes to Georgie.
	Hey, fuck that shit.
	Pasty George, Pasty George, we're going to fucking repossess your fucking maple leaf.
	We're going to repossess your what do Canadians hockey?
	We're going to take your hockey pucks, Pasty George, take his hockey pucks, poutine.
	We're going to fucking repossess your poutine.
	How did you say that term was?
	You ship it and flip it.
	What was the thing you said?
	Hook it and book it.
	Hook it and book it.
	She's going to hook it and then book it.
	She's going to get all that poutine.
	She's going to hook it and book it.
	She's going to take your Lambo.
	She's going to take maple syrup.
	Pasty George.
	You know how Diddy had like a hundred can, a thousand cans of like baby oil or whatever?
	Pasty George has like stacks on stacks on stacks of maple syrup.
	Should we be concerned?
	You should.
	Wow.
	You know what, Pasty George?
	He, you know, he loves that on breakfast, on lunch, on dinner.
	Sometimes if he's having a bad day, he puts a little hair, he puts a little bit of maple syrup in his hair.
	What do you think?
	How do you know this?
	He tells me.
	Been to his maple syrup parties?
	Yes.
	Are you Caucasians or something?
	This is interesting.
	Yes, he's my brother from another mother.
	Okay.
	He's my Canadian from another.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	It doesn't include Felicity because she is not a panelist.
	only 70 bucks so if the other girls once the tts got lowered Oh, I need to change that too.
	You guys won't do it?
	You guys won't do me a solid?
	I thought we were all homies.
	You're not my Caucasian?
	Are you my Caucasian?
	Boy, what?
	Are you my Caucasian?
	Yes or no?
	Are you my Caucasian?
	I don't think she likes you.
	Thank you, Felicity, for pointing fucking Sherlock Holmes over here, pointing out the obvious.
	Good job, no.
	Wait, Hannah's getting up.
	I was about to ask if she's my Caucasian.
	Are you my Caucasian, Jay?
	No.
	Rude.
	Rude.
	I can't say this to non-I'm half-white, but I still would say no.
	Still not.
	Are you like Italian or Caucasian?
	I'm Middle Eastern.
	Are they Caucasian?
	Well, like, racially, yeah.
	Like, well, like the caucus mouse.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Probably not.
	Probably not.
	Are you my Caucasian?
	Are you my Caucasian?
	What does this mean?
	Dab me up, bro.
	What do you say yes?
	Why would I do that?
	Are you my Caucasian?
	But what is the question?
	Just wait.
	We're almost done.
	Oh my God, relax.
	Okay, I'm relaxed, but I'm talking to her.
	I'm also Hispanic, so but you can be a white Hispanic.
	Okay, which country?
	My mom is from Argentina.
	Okay, you mentioned that.
	You're white.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You're white, bro.
	There's a lot of Germans in Argentina.
	Yeah, it's true.
	So are you my Caucasian?
	Probably not.
	I don't know that.
	I'm like, I knew it.
	Don't do it.
	Do you guys not understand the Caucasian?
	I don't know.
	I don't get it.
	You know, like how I would never say this, but I'll have to explain it.
	She knows what I'm talking about.
	So it's like, you know how black people can be like, I'm not going to say it, my N-word.
	Like, you're my N-word, you know?
	Like, you could even say that to a white person, right?
	Like, that's major props, by the way, for like a black person to say that to a white person.
	Like, do you want to say?
	Just kidding.
	Don't say that shit.
	But like, okay, Felicity, chill up.
	But it's like, it's the comparison, the, like, my Caucasian.
	Okay, good talk.
	Are you Irish?
	I don't know.
	I think I'm French and like Eastern European.
	Can you say, oh?
	Yeah, because I am too.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	That was like, I'm racist.
	Disgusted.
	Wait, what country?
	I don't know.
	Check my fucking 23 of me.
	What are you?
	Slovenian?
	No, I'm not that.
	And I'm.
	Why would you say ooh to that?
	She doesn't want to be related to at all.
	Wow, okay.
	That's kind of fucked up, but I'm actually hurt.
	I'm really hurt and depressed.
	Boy, nobody is your Caucasian stuff this whole time today.
	I don't want to hear it.
	I'm a good sport.
	I can handle it.
	Don't think people understand what a billionaire is.
	It's average $270,000 per day income.
	Most of you will be in debt for most of your life.
	Good luck.
	Glad you're faithful.
	Chance of anyone getting to $1 million in the US is 6%.
	Why is he so salty?
	Yo, by the way, Wizard, did we get I know you sent in like an 100 a while ago and you think you sent a message?
	We got it though, right?
	I'm pretty sure I got it, but it was a bit delayed.
	Oh, that's good crack.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Brian, I don't like sports, cars, or expensive cars, remember?
	Besides, I'd rather go canoeing on my reservations, Lake, than drive an overpriced car.
	However, I do like going skidooing and dating.
	Skidooing.
	Skidooing, skedaddling.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	Appreciate it.
	Why don't you pull that up?
	Eh, fuck it, whatever.
	It's not worth it.
	Yeah, just forget it.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Great night overall.
	These convos matter cause modern datings is twisted.
	We got to re-evaluate politics, manners, culture, and figure out why things fell off.
	Good night, y'all.
	Except careful.
	Anytime.
	I love you.
	Yo, wisdom.
	Thank you, man.
	They said, except for me?
	Yeah.
	Oh!
	You know what?
	He likes skidoo.
	I think they're really obsessed with the OG.
	Pasty George likes skidooing.
	Why are you all so hateful?
	Imagine if yo, Pasty George, where's the fucking BMW pop, rude?
	I don't know.
	Oh, we're finishing.
	We need to finish Bree's notes here.
	Okay, Brie, we're going to blast through these.
	$69 TTS, guys, get them in.
	We're wrapping the show up here momentarily.
	Fingers crossed.
	Unless you guys start, you know, whatever.
	Okay.
	You've turned down a handful of billionaires, talked about, yeah, I know, talked about that.
	You said that you've had a lot of clients try to date you.
	You're a dating coach, professional matchmaker.
	You said you worked with a matchmaker agency in OC, and there was one matchmaker.
	They were dating multiple clients at the same time on the side, which is, I guess, against the rules or whatever.
	Well, duh.
	Yep.
	She was supposed to be matching them with actual people, but she was just hooking up with them, dating them, whatever.
	She was dating them off the books, you say.
	She got caught and fired.
	Some of the clients complained about her, and she was using her personal girlfriends as matches and was charging the girls.
	So you're not supposed to charge the girls for charging the guys.
	You charge the guys.
	Charge the guys.
	You know what's actually interesting, related to something we talked about earlier, is the men being more.
	Well, I don't know if we really touched on this.
	I think men are a bit more motivated when it comes to dating, relationship, sex, to the point that, like, I don't think any girls here would pay money the same way men will pay money.
	Whether it's sex, whether it's a matchmaker.
	How much do these guys pay typically?
	A lot.
	Like 10K, 50?
	Minimum.
	10K 10K minimum.
	Minimum.
	And then do some men pay like 6k?
	Way more.
	Yes.
	That's how desperate.
	That's how desperate.
	Are some of you guys out there?
	You need my help?
	Hey, do you want to recruit any of these girls?
	I mean, actually, most of you.
	Not right.
	Not right now.
	She needs some help.
	She needs some help.
	Maybe Hannah needs help.
	She needs help.
	They got boyfriends.
	If you guys want help, yes, I'll point them all in the right direction.
	But it is interesting.
	Like, women would never even think about spending this kind of money.
	For sure, yeah.
	And so it's interesting.
	It's just interesting the differences between.
	I mean, I think that's actually an indictment of men.
	So I should switch careers, is what you're saying.
	If you want to, girl, you should get into that.
	We'll talk about this later.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, you were talking about this girl who's like dating the dudes, whatever.
	She was dating a very wealthy lawyer.
	He paid for her plastic surgery.
	She got an entire makeover.
	He paid for it.
	Yep.
	Man, that's crazy.
	She was supposed to pay him back, but when she, whatever, she dumped him and never paid him back, I guess.
	Damn, crazy shit.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	All true.
	You talked, okay, young mom, toxic relationship.
	We talked about that.
	You think modern dating is complete garbage?
	Pretty much talked about that.
	And then we talked a bit about your background, like Christian background, more like traditional family, so and so forth.
	Trying to see if, okay, I think that's pretty much it for your notes.
	That's pretty much it.
	Did you want to go in a little bit in detail in like the matchmaking stuff?
	Like, what about?
	What do you mean?
	Oh, no.
	Is there like a, does it work?
	Like, how about, can I ask you a question?
	I've heard from, like, there's a TV show.
	There was a woman, a female watchmaker.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And she was like, she actually didn't like working with women because she said the women were like way too picky.
	Honestly, the women are the hardest to work with.
	It's not the male clients.
	They're actually pretty easygoing, even though they're powerful, affluent, have clout, and et cetera.
	It's the women that are actually hard.
	When you say that, like, just high expectation.
	Extremely high.
	And do you ever have to break it to a woman and be like, look, you're not going to get that kind of guy.
	Do you ever have to do that?
	There are times.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There are times.
	I mean, you do it very politely.
	But like, so when a woman comes to you, like, do you ask her what she wants?
	Yeah, of course.
	Oh, yeah.
	You thoroughly interview.
	You thoroughly interview the client, obviously, because they have a paying client.
	So, of course, you prioritize them above all.
	And then, yeah, of course, you have to also interview the female, you know, potential counterparts as well.
	So you do two separate interviews.
	And then, based on those interviews, you know, and your expertise, intuition, et cetera, then that's how you make the matches.
	Yeah.
	So what, I guess, like, would a girl, would a woman come to you and say, I want a guy who's this tall, makes this much money, this kind of career, whatever?
	Like, and do you ever have to tell the girl, be like, look, you're not going to get six foot three.
	We're not going to get a billionaire.
	Yeah.
	You can do 250K and he's going to be five foot nine and he's going to be a little balding.
	You ever got to?
	Yeah, of course.
	Absolutely.
	What's the most unrealistic ask?
	We'll do both.
	Unrealistic ask from a woman and from a man.
	Okay.
	Unrealistic ask for a woman is just like extremely wealthy, no kids.
	That's, you know, height is very important for most women.
	I mean, like, literally 90% of the women I work with are like, I only want a guy who's like, so that's, that's hard, you know, to get them to agree to date, you know, guys that are not at a certain height.
	Height is a big one.
	Obviously, money is a big one as well.
	But obviously, if they're a client of ours, then that's not typically an issue.
	For men, it's usually they're much, much, much older, and they don't want, they want women who are basically super model, beautiful, no kids, certain eye color, certain hair color, certain skin.
	You know what I mean?
	Just like the whole nine yards.
	But they are not really working with that physically.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So they're like trying to.
	That sounds.
	Yeah.
	So those are it.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We have pasty here.
	Final call, guys, on the TTS.
	Final call.
	Get it.
	Final call.
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	I used the reservation reference.
	Skiddooing is snowmobiling.
	I also once thought about taking flight lessons and buying a plane.
	But I still fear hikes.
	LOL.
	Nice.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Let me just see here.
	There's like two or three more things super quick than we promise you guys.
	We're getting out of here soon.
	Let's see here.
	Won't linger long, but I want a quick thing on this.
	I know feminism came up briefly.
	Do you guys think that women have equal rights to men in the USA?
	Do you think women have equal rights?
	We'll skip Felicity.
	No.
	Women don't have equal rights?
	Okay, what about you?
	Yes.
	Yes, they do.
	I'm not quite sure, to be honest.
	I don't...
	Okay.
	I'm leaning more towards no, though.
	Okay.
	But unsure.
	I think we do.
	You think you do?
	Yes, we do.
	Okay.
	So was it you and you?
	You guys said you think women don't have equal rights.
	I'm unsure.
	Yeah, quick follow-up.
	what I guess what is the rights that men have that women don't it's not necessarily it's not necessarily like Well, okay, I guess maybe not right is the same word, but there's definitely not equal treatment.
	Like, even the Equal Rights Protection Act wouldn't get passed.
	And that has gone through many times and still equal rights protection.
	Equal rights act.
	Yeah.
	Something like that.
	I'm not sure quite what you're referencing.
	Well, what was the act trying to achieve?
	Like making men and women literally equal in the Constitution.
	Was this federal level?
	Was this in California?
	It was federal level.
	It's been tried a few times, but specifically during like civil rights movement in the 1960s.
	Yeah, I was going to say isn't it Equal Rights of 1964 or something?
	Wasn't that passed?
	Wasn't it?
	No, so Equal Rights Act of 1965 and 1964, the voting ones, those were passed.
	But there was a specific one for women and men in directly saying, like in the Constitution, women.
	Because right now it just says men.
	Obviously.
	Well, wait, hold on.
	You're talking about the Constitution?
	Like making amendments.
	But you do realize that it's sort of an English practice, but when you refer to men, like it's not, that's not actually.
	I know this might be hard to wrap your, it's not actually gendered.
	Like mankind, for example, that refers to all of men and women.
	It's not like mankind that it says, though.
	It's there is gendered language in there, and the point of it was to try to make it equal.
	And it wouldn't get passed.
	I'm not an expert.
	And also, like, wage gap and everything.
	Like, I know you said you don't think that exists.
	I think in some fields, it is 100% prevalent.
	Like, even, well, actually, I can't bring that up.
	Never mind.
	Bring one up.
	Come on.
	Just say it.
	No, like, never mind.
	We're not supposed to talk about it.
	Talk about what?
	Oh, like, SA, is that what you're saying?
	No, no, no.
	Never mind.
	Pause.
	Wait, I'm confused.
	Okay, well, I mean, as far as the etymology of men, somebody could probably break this down way easier.
	I actually don't recall the precise argument on like etymology.
	Etymology?
	Like, no, I know etymology, but there's a specific term.
	And maybe somebody, I don't know if somebody's able to send in a TTS.
	I'm not trying to bait, but there is something with Men, the term men or the term man or mankind more specifically, that does also apply to women.
	It's etymologically, it's the point is there are so many aspects of life where women and men are not equal.
	In terms of rights, though treatment, but treatment, if somebody is a jerk to you, that's not like government-enforced government isn't enforcing equal treatment either.
	Well, for example, there's so many, how do I say this?
	The difference in crimes that, well, actually, I don't know.
	That's kind of moving away from that.
	No, go ahead.
	Finish the thought.
	Finish the thought.
	I feel like you like, I think we do have equal rights with men, but I feel like you're just saying, like, societally, we're still not equal to men.
	Like, the way we're looked at, just as like a whole society view, I feel like there's a lot more that men can do that we can't.
	Like what?
	I feel like women still get a lot more slut shame than men.
	Like, I feel like women get, I think we're looked at a lot more differently than men.
	I feel like, and I feel like, like, that's one aspect.
	Like, I just feel like in aspects, I feel like women just have so much, still, a lot more expectations than, and men don't.
	And we still get more.
	There's not expectations on, like, I feel.
	Less expectations on them.
	I feel like there are less expectations on them and more on women.
	I feel like we're just judged a lot more.
	Women are judged more harshly.
	Yeah.
	Like, men are praised for like having a lot of partners, for instance.
	Like, the more partners a man has, sort of like the more clout he has.
	But then, like, for a woman, it's like there's stigma around it.
	Well.
	And also, like, men are praised for taking care of their baby.
	No, I mean, mothers are, like, expected to do that.
	And then if they take a break, they're abandoning their child.
	Well, let's just, let's examine one thing at a time here.
	And we won't examine everything, obviously, just for the sake of time.
	Like, the difference in like slut shaming or whatever.
	Me personally, I dislike promiscuity in men.
	I don't think it's cool.
	I don't think it's good.
	I think neither men or women should be promiscuous.
	I don't think it's good for society.
	I don't think it's good on the individual level, whether you're men or women.
	I do think there are some differences between clearly differences between men and women as it relates to this, the potential impact of promiscuity on somebody.
	Women carry, just because women face the risk of pregnancy, I think there's a bit of a higher burden there.
	Like if a woman is promiscuous, there is a potential higher risk there.
	But also, kind of more from a dating lens, it's actually kind of diff, it's like about the difficulty of it.
	Like any woman can be a slut.
	It's kind of like hard for a guy to be a slut, or it's harder, anyways.
	Like you take an average girl or even like an ugly, not to be mean or whatever, an ugly woman, she can be a massive slut.
	Not so sure, like an ugly guy, like who's otherwise average, and the ugly woman who's otherwise average, she can be a massive slut.
	Ugly guy who's otherwise average, he can't be a slut.
	Can't be a slut.
	So I think there's just a difference where it's like for women to get laid, you just kind of have to show up.
	Whereas for a guy to get laid, it actually takes like something, you know?
	Like you have to have game, or if you lack game, you have to be good looking.
	If you lack that, you have to be funny.
	If you lack that, you have to be, and sometimes you can be an amalgamation, but you have to have status.
	You have to be famous.
	You have to be something.
	But like, Look, I'm not, and there are, well, I was going to say there are average guys who are plowing through chicks or whatever, but he's probably got game.
	He's got something.
	A woman can have no redeemable characteristics besides that she's just offering up pussy.
	And she can, I would actually argue this.
	I think an unattractive, average, unremarkable woman, she can get laid more than a top tier guy.
	But that's not my argument.
	Well, it's sort of, it's like, well, why, what's the difference here?
	The reason why men get big upped, yeah, man, that's dope, is because if something, like, for example, if you pat your head, that's easy to do.
	But what if it's difficult for somebody to do that?
	So it's, there's a, there's a level of difficulty when it comes to getting laid that exists in men or some men that does not exist in women.
	Any women, any woman can get laid super easy.
	Just walk up to a guy.
	Hey, do you want to fuck?
	Sure.
	If I walk up, and we've done this, I've actually done this experiment back in the day.
	I had a girl do it too.
	The girl walks up to dudes.
	Hey, what's up?
	You want to have sex?
	Boom.
	Yep.
	Let's do it.
	Where's your place?
	Let's go.
	If I walk up to a girl, hey, what's up?
	I can even be like as tactful about it as one could be.
	Hey, I think you're cute.
	Do you want to go hook up?
	You want to have sex?
	Not happening.
	Watch.
	Check this out.
	Who's single hair?
	Should we?
	After the show, do you want to have sex?
	No.
	After the show, do you want to have sex?
	No.
	After the show, do you want to have sex?
	Break your celibacy.
	Do you want to have sex?
	Say exactly.
	See?
	Shit.
	I feel like y'all could go up to a, and by the way, I wasn't, that was just for the sake of argument.
	I wasn't actually rudely propositioning you guys.
	Just for the sake of to make a point.
	So it's harder for men.
	It's harder.
	That's why it's now, again, I don't think promiscuity is good in men.
	And especially what bothers me is these guys will lie to women.
	You girls can probably relate to this.
	Well, not signaling any of you out, but some dastardly thing guys will do is they'll tell the girl that he has like a more serious interest in her just so he can get laid.
	And they'll lead a girl on.
	They'll lie to the girl.
	And he has no interest.
	He just wants to get laid.
	He has no interest.
	Now, look, some women are fine with casual sex.
	But there's definitely a component of guys misrepresenting their interest.
	Yeah.
	Making them seem like they want something more, but they don't.
	They get the sex.
	Maybe they ghost.
	Maybe they hid and quit it.
	But they led you on to think that they wanted more.
	That's wrong.
	100% wrong.
	Shouldn't do it.
	So yeah, I don't think men should be promiscuous because no bueno.
	No bueno here.
	But we'll move on from that.
	We have chats.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	There were actually two constitutions in Canada in the former one.
	The government had less control than it has now.
	Also, social spending was much better back then compared to today.
	W Pacy George.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	We have another one coming in from Bug Pullout.
	What the heck?
	Bug pullout donated $69.
	What's the name?
	Equal Rights Act 2020 added gender identity language.
	Men are not women.
	Feminism, bull crap.
	But as far as rights go, okay.
	Well, I mean, obviously, you listed a bunch of things.
	I obviously don't have time to debate you on every single one of them, but I just, I haven't actually heard a truly compelling way in which men possess rights that women don't.
	Is there anything you can point to super quick?
	I won't really linger on it, but Shay?
	Like any right that the man has?
	Like what right do I have that you don't?
	Sorry, I'm actually exhausted.
	We are being kept here an hour.
	That's right.
	They're all chained to an hour and a half.
	But do you want to just engage super quick?
	No.
	You don't want to.
	No.
	One thing, just throw out, throw something out.
	Okay.
	Do you think, really quick then, do you think women are oppressed in the USA?
	I think they're, I wouldn't say oppressed.
	I would say they're oppressed is too far, but I don't think we're equal.
	That's it.
	In terms of, but not in terms of right.
	Not oppressed.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Not oppressed.
	Do you think men are more privileged in society?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, for sure.
	How so?
	I think actually women possess certain rights that men don't.
	And I actually would make the argument that in many metrics, like the worst life outcomes, men disproportionately occupy the worst outcomes in life.
	And yeah.
	I feel like women always have to like prove.
	We always have to prove ourselves.
	Like I feel like men.
	No.
	No.
	I feel like men.
	I feel we have to earn more respect.
	Like in a workplace, I feel like there's affirmative action.
	Women actually.
	Affirmative action in February.
	No, it's still there.
	Look that up.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Look that up.
	I could be wrong, but okay.
	I looked it up.
	I'm right.
	No, just kidding.
	I guess like if we look at like the most negative outcomes in life, you look at homelessness, you look at suicidality, you look at workplace deaths, you look at violence, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Violent crime, yep.
	You disagree?
	Men are more, I don't know why you're laughing, men are more likely.
	I'm not talking about SA.
	I'm talking about overall, in totality, violent crime.
	Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Victims and commit the crimes.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm not talking about the perpetrators.
	I'm talking about.
	I know, but it's true.
	It's a fact.
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	I'll grant it for the sake of conversation.
	Men are more likely to commit violent crimes.
	Sure.
	And?
	I'm just saying what you said was true.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you know, if we look at education as a metric by which men or women could have it better, even at UCSB, the school you guys go to, I believe the breakdown is 60-40, something like that.
	60% women, 40% men.
	Women are much more.
	Ever since the 1980s, women have been more likely to go to college, graduate from college, get a college education, get a degree.
	If these are all metrics that in the past...
	Because we have to to get a job where men can...
	Men can what?
	Men can get jobs easier because they don't have to prove themselves.
	People automatically assume men are going to be better at specific jobs.
	So you're saying, hold on.
	Women have to go to college to compete with men who are not college educated.
	There's definitely that.
	So she wants to be a psychologist.
	Yeah, she has to work harder to prove herself, especially in a male field.
	Demonstrated.
	So hold on.
	So your position would be that she has to go to, I don't know if you have to go to med school for You do like a graduate program or whatever.
	So the guy who dropped out of city college gets her job?
	That's not what I said.
	A clinical psychologist?
	Or does she have to go do all the schooling to become a clinical psychologist?
	What evidence do you actually have for that?
	Look it up.
	How does she have to work hard?
	So, okay, when you take a test, does the professor be like, okay, here, here's a coloring book for all the men, color in the lines, and the women, here's like advanced, here's like a 100-point, 100-point, multiple, multiple ants.
	What is it, multiple answers?
	Multiple choice.
	Thank you.
	Multiple choice question.
	The women get the hundred question, multiple choice questionnaire.
	The men, okay.
	Good boys, good boys.
	Here's a color in the book.
	You think that's how it is?
	Or the same test that she takes.
	Do you have a way of trying to just make arguments sound stupid when they're not?
	Am I gaslighting?
	You are.
	Is that what I'm doing?
	No, but is it actually the case?
	Do the men in college receive different tests?
	That was never what I was arguing.
	But okay, but if the metric, if the, and actually, well, I won't go there, but if the metric is, your argument is, well, the women have to work harder.
	They get the same test.
	They have the same assignments.
	You think the professors are just benevolently sexist towards men?
	It's not about college.
	It's not about in college.
	Ah, so there's no sexism in college, aside from the fact that women are more likely to go to college.
	I never said there was.
	Okay.
	No, but you said it's not about college.
	You were always trying to twist words.
	I've noticed that.
	No, but you said women have a harder time.
	So wouldn't this, wouldn't an extension of that, it wouldn't just be the workplace, it would also be in university.
	That would make sense.
	It would make sense to me that if women broadly have things harder, they have to work harder at a job, I would assume they have to work harder in college too, right?
	Or is there perfect equality?
	Did you go to college?
	Yeah, well, I dropped out.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And?
	Interesting.
	Again, I never let college get in the way of my education.
	I'm doing pretty well.
	Okay.
	Good for you.
	Look, I'm fine with college, sort of-ish.
	But I don't think that college is necessarily an indicator of one's intelligence or one's capacity for knowledge or wisdom or any of these things.
	Are you dissatisfied?
	I don't have the property 12:30 a.m.
	I don't have the proper bona fetus.
	How do you say it?
	The bona fides or whatever.
	If I graduated from UCSB, would that be, would what I'm saying matter more?
	Okay, she's checked out.
	If I graduated from UCSB, would my would I say hold more weight for you?
	It's 12:30 in the morning.
	Just answer the question.
	I don't even know what you said.
	If I graduated from Harvard, would what I'm saying here hold more weight?
	I'm just asking, you can answer the question.
	That's where I didn't see what you said.
	Hear what you said.
	You just asked me to repeat it, and I just did.
	I mean, okay, I mean, you can just answer, but whatever.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	I wish Rachel Wilson was on this show to put some of these delusional feministic panelists in their place because they will always be bad faith with Brian because he is a man.
	Sexist.
	Yeah, Rachel would be good.
	Oh, this is pretty bad faith.
	Okay.
	I guess.
	Can women be sexist?
	Prove them wrong that it's not just because Brian is a man that you're not answering the question.
	Just answer his question.
	Because that's actually ready to ask.
	Ready to move on.
	Oh, okay.
	I've heard seconds in this.
	I never said that.
	Actually, and to be fair, I don't think she's refusing to answer the question because I don't think it has to do with the fact that I'm not sure.
	To be fair to her, I don't think it's because I'm a man.
	Oh, he's a man.
	I'm going to stick it to him.
	I think if it was a woman arguing this, she'd probably be the same.
	How about this?
	Can women be sexist towards men?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Uh, does this also, why are we just asking me questions?
	I don't know, because you seem like you're the most the most feminist of the group.
	How about this?
	Here's it.
	I'll open up to the whole panel.
	Not dating related at all, but fuck it, whatever.
	Felicity begged me to ask this.
	If women can be sexist towards men, can people of color be sexist?
	Excuse me.
	Can people of color be racist towards white people?
	Starting with you.
	Then we'll go around the table.
	Like, can a Hispanic person be racist towards pale, pasty white men?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Yes, but it's not systematic racism.
	Like, every person of color is experienced.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Actually, yeah.
	Well, I'm just, I understand there's different categories of racism, but I think in the like common parlance, is that even a word?
	But I feel like it kind of like.
	I feel like it's not comparable, though.
	Like, obviously, there is, and I feel like you have to make that clear.
	Like, there can be racist white people, but not to the same degree of everyone else.
	Well, are you talking systemic or just across the world?
	You can't be systemic.
	There can't be a systemic racism towards white people.
	Well, it's technically possible.
	But when has it ever happened?
	Well, I guess it depends on the world that's.
	Well, how about, like, for example, if we're talking about affirmative action in the university system?
	So we've we've often often seen that with the preferential enrollment, for example, Asian-Americans.
	And I well, are you you're in the UK, for example, are you like what's your ethnicity?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm Indian.
	Indian.
	So they would, some in the UK, they would consider Indian Asian, right?
	I don't know if you would make that distinction, but you were South Asian.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Exactly.
	So I think this would actually, you would fall under this criteria at Harvard.
	In order for you to your like SAT scores, other metrics to be able to get into Harvard, it actually would be higher than a white person's.
	And it also goes in a different direction, though.
	You have to have higher SAT, way higher SATs than the black person or a Latino person or Native American person to get into Harvard.
	And so this was discrimination towards Asian people.
	But I don't think I don't really consider that racism, though.
	But if it's the case, for example, you say white people, if it's harder as a white person to get into Harvard than it is for a Latino person or a black person, just, and this is, you can look it up.
	There's a lawsuit over this.
	Harvard was doing preferential stuff with SAT scores.
	You had to have a higher SAT score as this.
	Yeah, I've seen the study.
	Like, I've seen people sue because of it.
	Right.
	But so would it then be like some sort of evidence if at Harvard it was harder to get into Harvard if you're white?
	But that's not like the systemized racism.
	Hold on.
	The university.
	It's not the scale compared to everyone else's, though.
	Wait, the university system is, by the way, university systems.
	It's a system.
	And there's, you'd agree it's a system?
	Universities?
	But I'm.
	What system are we talking about?
	Sorry.
	Like, I'm just talking about like every, like Indians, like the white people colonized us for like hundreds of years.
	And for black people, it was slavery.
	Native Americans, they were.
	Terrible stuff.
	Yeah, but I don't.
	That's never really happened to white people.
	Like no, not up what?
	Well, you know the origination of the term slave, Slav Slavic, so white people.
	But was it white, white against white?
	Though it wasn't like.
	Uh well, if you look at like the Muslim conquests into Europe, they absolutely took slaves.
	If you look at the Muslim conquest and like recent date, like in the past few, like centuries, when did they expel?
	Like when?
	When was the?
	So the Muslims made it up to?
	Um, was it the Ottoman?
	I'm forgetting.
	They made it up to Vienna, in Austria right, I believe I think that was in the 1600s, like 17th century onward, because that's really what we truly learn about.
	But then I would just turn this around at you and say well, when was slavery ended?
	Just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean it wasn't really a long time ago.
	Yeah sure, African American slavery in the United States is more recent.
	Yeah yeah, and like so, like so, and in India too, we haven't even had, they haven't even had 100 years of like a free.
	Yeah, I mean I would point out that actually Western countries, which are white majority, actually have ended slavery sooner than like other, I know, but I'm just saying like, white people have never had that type of like oppression.
	It's only been white people have it.
	But has it been the Barbary, the Barbary slave, a different type of race?
	Yes, other other races have definitely enslaved white people.
	We just like to conveniently ignore it.
	And just to be clear um, you know the, the plight of African Americans, or at least their ancestors, absolutely terrible thing.
	That happened so long ago.
	And the past few, like centuries, it's still.
	Yes, I realize that certain things are more in in recent history, but it's all been recent, like for every, mostly all every other race.
	It's been recent, except slavery is not my field of expertise, but we do see that there's in fact slavery still ongoing in certain countries.
	Um, and it's not white people who are well, i'm not saying it's all white people, i'm just saying like nothing of that, nothing has ever really happened to white people in that area in the past few centuries, like it has happened to every other race.
	Um, you know i'm again, this isn't my wheelhouse I I do think that there might actually be some, some evidence that in say, the past 200 years there probably has been.
	Uh, I look at anything like wide scale, like to the degree of every other race.
	Right now, there are more slaves than there ever were during uh, the during the slave trade, and most of them are white or Dispanical, and they are being enslaved in.
	Okay, if we want to be, if we're gaining interest in intellectual honesty.
	Yeah wait Grid, you want to just sit down really quick because we're wrapping the show here.
	So if you want to do your, do your little cameo.
	Do little cameo, Grid.
	Uh, why don't you?
	Do you want to?
	Just Felicity.
	You want to scoot over one?
	Oh wait Felicity, you scoot over one.
	And Grid's chicken chair one.
	Oh uh, have him go that way, have him go that way.
	But wait, hold on.
	Um, I don't want to.
	No, go ahead, go ahead come, come sit um.
	So we were talking about like, can people of color be racist towards?
	Well, i'm just saying here, I want to move off of.
	I do agree with you generally, like white people have certain uh, like white people are the majority of the country.
	Perhaps they confer some benefits from this, but i'm, when i'm talking about racism, I want to and I acknowledge that there are systemic, there is systemic racism, whatever.
	Um, if a white person walks up to a black person and calls them the n-word and then beats them up, is that racism?
	why are you thinking about it yeah of course right uh if a black person walks up to a white person says i you you piece of shit white person beats them up is that racism Taking a little longer on this answer.
	This isn't systemic.
	This is individual racism.
	Is that I mean adding the n-word to it is racist.
	Okay, the I'm not going to say it, but calls them the C-word.
	And I understand that that doesn't carry as much weight as the N-word.
	Well, yeah, that is also.
	But I said from the beginning, like, you can be racist towards white people, but it's not systemized racism.
	But okay, so here, I'll remove the slur component because there's a there certain slurs are more offensive than others.
	Black person walks up to a white person, says, Hey, whitey, or maybe I should not, is that hey, white per I don't like white people.
	Boom.
	Punches them in the face.
	Yeah, that's racist.
	If the black person does the white person does it to the black person?
	No, you had it right.
	Yeah, you were right.
	You were good.
	Yeah.
	So it's racist both ways.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	I just said there, it's white people don't face systemized oppression, like systemized racism like all the other races, though.
	Like, I'm not saying, I'm not denying it.
	Sure.
	But I think also, like, there's different levels to it.
	And if I were to go to India and people there were like tolerant.
	Could there be systemic racism against white people in non-white majority countries?
	Yes.
	Why the hesitation?
	Like if I went to China and you don't really understand.
	Well, if I went to China and like, what are my hopes of ever like infiltrating the CCP and like having any sort of power in their government?
	Like what, as a white person in China, you'd agree that Chinese people are the majority people in China?
	So what, I don't have, I don't have systemic power in China.
	I'm white.
	Chinese people have systemic power.
	In fact, I would argue actually America is quite.
	You can't own property.
	Grid, scoot in.
	Yeah, scoot it to the table.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, you're good.
	yeah in china you can't own property there's a lot of freedoms if you're you know but i wouldn't say that systemized racism though you can't You can't vote in your elections.
	You can't.
	I would say that's individual racism.
	Yeah.
	Wait, in China, if I'm in China?
	Yeah, like that's still not systemized racism because there's never been a period in that place where white people were oppressed.
	Like wide scale.
	Well, what if, okay, how about this?
	The Chinese government passed a law that only like, native-born Chinese people can ever have a place in the and I don't know the immigration.
	I don't know if you can like move to Canada and become a or sorry, Canada.
	You can move to China and become a citizen.
	But what if China passed a law and said hey, even if you move here as a white person and we grant you citizenship, you can never have any role in government?
	Would that be systemic racism, I guess?
	But that that's not existent anywhere in the world.
	So it's just well, hold on.
	Absolutely, it absolutely does.
	Absolutely you can't be.
	You don't think Asian countries are racist.
	They're racist against each other.
	Well, I'm Asian, I'm pretty sure I would know that.
	Yeah, Indians and the Pakistanis, the Bangladesh, I don't know that somewhere over there, you know that's more religion, like Indians and Pakistanis, that's well, it's.
	Also nationality too, but a lot of it's rooted in religion, religions or systems as well.
	Sure yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, like Indian and Pakistanis, it's not like ethnic countries are a thing, it's like a lot of it is just because of religion.
	That's why there's so much conflict between them.
	Well, I mean, you could take yeah sure, you could take the Chinese and the Uyghur, the Uyghurs, the Uyghurs and.
	And Tibet.
	I mean, Tibet, Taiwan.
	You go a little further.
	Chinese-occupied Mongolia, they took way back in the day.
	I mean, obviously, this has been a few hundred years, but they took Slavs.
	Isn't there like a caste system in India too?
	Well, I mean, they expelled the Sikh, right?
	In India?
	The Sikh?
	No, from Afghanistan.
	I don't know.
	It's slightly north of there, but they expel them.
	The Sikhs are dope.
	I like them.
	I like the Sikhs.
	They got their little daggers and shit.
	Any Sikhs?
	Do we have any Sikhs in the chat?
	W Sikhs.
	They're cool.
	Yeah, they're pretty badass.
	But yeah, I mean, I don't know.
	You can envision like a.
	You look at Latin America, you look at Africa, you look at Asia.
	White people are the minority in all those places.
	You don't think it's possible for white people to experience like systemic racism in non-white majority countries?
	Don't forget the boar.
	That too.
	Right now.
	Oh, in South Africa?
	I don't think it's very comparable to.
	Well, I think minorities actually probably have more rights in the United States than if you're a minority in any of these countries.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Like, for example, you can be Japanese.
	Well, yeah, I honestly, but also I'm not very educated about all this.
	Like, think of us as I've just known.
	It's not my wheelhouse either.
	Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, I always, like, I just, in my opinion, I just think you systemize systematic racism can't be applied towards white people.
	I'm not super educated on it.
	I don't know how it would work in other countries.
	I just know in the Western world.
	Just for the sake of convo, I'd be willing to grant that in white majority countries, this could be the case.
	But how could it ever be the case in like in an Asian-dominated country or like in Africa, they're black?
	Like, I don't really understand that.
	But for example, I actually think if a Japanese person moves to the United States and become a citizen, they become an American.
	If I move to Japan, I don't even know if I can become a citizen.
	I'm never going to be an American.
	I mean, aren't they welcoming immigrants right now?
	If I move to India and I've lived there for 20 years, am I an Indian?
	I mean, I don't think you'd honestly face a lot of racism in India.
	Well, I'm not even asking that.
	I'm just saying, if I move to India, do I become an Indian?
	No, you have to go through the right steps to become.
	No, I'm saying, let's say, I don't know the citizen, if you can even do that, but let's say you can.
	If I become a citizen of India, am I Indian?
	Technically, yes.
	By nationality, but I like if I move to I mean, I'm American, but I'm Indian.
	I was born here, so sure, but there would be a bit of a distinction here.
	I'm talking like if I'm if I move to, well, if I moved even then, though, I don't know if I would, like, I can have a neighbor who's Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, who's Indian, who's Pakistani, who's who's black, who's whatever, who's from Costa Rica, who's from Mexico, whatever.
	They can become an American.
	They can become an American.
	I can't become, if I move to Mexico, I'm not Mexican.
	And I, like, I become a citizen or whatever.
	I'm not Mexican.
	I mean, the perfect example, my wife is Chinese.
	She is now an American citizen.
	I can never become a Chinese citizen.
	Ever.
	Yeah.
	So it seems like almost like America's kind of super dope.
	We are dope.
	We are.
	I feel like America's not quite as bad as people make it out to be, you know?
	So I just don't understand.
	Like if I what systemic power if I went to like Nigeria?
	What systemic power?
	I mean, I don't know.
	I honestly, like in school, I study mostly like systemic racism in the Western world.
	So I really cannot tell you what would be in Asia, Africa.
	And I really.
	Sure.
	I mean, just you don't even need to be a study it or be an expert.
	Like, isn't it just simply purely through reason, through reason, through rationality, through logic?
	Isn't it logically possible that in like hold on?
	We're almost done.
	Hang tight.
	Hang tight.
	Almost done.
	Just hang tight.
	I can't.
	Just wait.
	Just wait, just wait, just wait.
	Sorry.
	I have a two-hour drive.
	Hannah.
	I'm wrapping up.
	Thank you so much.
	I appreciate it.
	10 minutes.
	10 minutes, Hannah.
	Very rude, Hannah.
	Disappointed.
	Okay, so I guess my final thing on this, and I'll let the rest of the chats come through.
	I just, if the country is like majority Japanese, 99%, Japan's 99% Japanese.
	White people don't have any systemic power in these countries.
	Japanese people have systemic power in this country.
	How could you not face potential systemic discrimination as a white person in a non-white majority country?
	Okay, well, I'll leave it there then.
	I'm just saying logically to the point.
	It's a good positive conversation, Anne, but it's late to have.
	Yeah, so we'll let the chats come through.
	Sorry for the delay, guys.
	I actually got a degree in psychology.
	It was the worst money I ever spent.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Yo, Pasty, it was a shaming tactic, but I'm not going to take it personally.
	It is what it is.
	Thank you, Alou.
	Alu donated $69.
	Ain't no billionaires ever looked at Chair Force Way.
	Oh, shit.
	She's a mid-feminist transformer that brings nothing but high-body count and STDS.
	What the fuck?
	Hey, be nice to my homegirl.
	Oh, wait, she's not my Caucasian, everyone.
	You want to see the receipts?
	Actually, yes.
	After you can show me the receipts.
	I'll show you.
	I want the proof.
	I'll show you.
	Why do I have to lie?
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Yes, ethnic minorities can be racist to Caucasians.
	I am First Nations Cree, and not only have I experienced racism, but I have seen Caucasians receive it too.
	Enough of the bullshit.
	Ooh, I have a scenario.
	I have a scenario.
	When Barack Obama was president, let's say he didn't want to hire a white janitor at the White House.
	Would that be racist?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And what if...
	Hmm.
	How do I?
	How about this?
	Okay, well, there's nothing to argue then.
	It would be racist.
	Yeah, it would.
	It would be systemic.
	I've said this multiple times.
	To me, I think you can be racist to white people, but it's not systemized racism like every other race has gone through in the Western world.
	Can I ask you a question?
	How about this final one on the race thing, and then I'll move it off.
	A black-owned corporation, say it's a big corporation.
	We'll just say not multinational, but we'll say that it's national.
	So black-owned company, black-owned corporation, black CEO, black, majority, black.
	Maybe there's like a whatever.
	Dole.
	We'll just say, like, in this hypothetical scenario, there are like really successful black-owned companies, really successful black-majority, like the executives, black-majority, right?
	If they were like, you know what, we don't want to hire white people, would that be systemic?
	But would it be systemic?
	No.
	But it's a national company, massive influence, massive system.
	Would that be racist?
	What's the term?
	Like, what is the definition of systematic?
	Well, you use the term, so to me, like, honestly, I haven't.
	I learned about this maybe a year or two ago, but to me, it's like a wide-scale movement.
	And I feel like one company doing that is in a wide scale.
	Obviously, it's racist, but it's not systematic to that type of scale.
	Mythology.
	Well, I would say there would have to be some broad, broad system that enabled it.
	So in this case, if there was a broad hiring policy, like for example, if a major corporation said we're not hiring black people, would this be regular racism or would it be systemic racism?
	I've got you.
	Wait, let's just have a race.
	I'm not like saying there is like different types.
	I'm just saying, like, and the generality of it, like, the racism against people of color have always been, it's always been systemized.
	And white people in the Western world have never been through a systemized racism.
	Like, I'm not, I wouldn't say be like in different scenarios, like, oh, that's systemized racism.
	That's racism.
	I would just, it is racism, but I'm just saying.
	Are Spanish people white?
	Technically, yes.
	Okay, so I mean, there were massive amounts of like North African Muslim conquests into I don't know what the historical term for the region was, into, I guess, modern-day Spain.
	I don't know if it was like Anatolia or some shit back in the day, into Portugal.
	These were, and there were mass like hundreds, centuries, centuries.
	And yeah, white people were absolutely probably systematically oppressed by the Muslim invaders into Spain and Portugal.
	And then you see this in like some of the more Eastern around like even wasn't that a time where slaves were just like normalized in general?
	Like every nation did that.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	So let's say that we had a system where she wanted a job and she wanted a job and she wanted a job and I was had a set of rules in front of me that said I could only hire her over any of these other ladies.
	Would that be systemic racism?
	Based on a race, by the way, just saying the racism that people of color face is systemized racism.
	I'm not going to be like in every district.
	It's just a lot of people.
	Well, because I've said this like so many times and you just kind of keep asking me in different ways.
	Right.
	But we have that system currently.
	It's called DEI.
	Well, didn't Trump take it away?
	That's most of it's gone.
	Not all of it.
	So we don't have it.
	It's still kind of remaining in the corporations and stuff.
	Just to be fair to the panelists, I do have to move it off of the race there.
	We're going to let the chats come through, then I'll get you guys out.
	Get these girls more pizzas.
	If you want pizza, we got to get there.
	You dumb bimbo.
	Of course, you would never call them out BC.
	They are black and black people who can't be racist in your racist worldview.
	Grow up.
	Oh, shit.
	Thank you, man.
	I appreciate it.
	All right, we have Pasty George here.
	Oh, shit.
	Nay, Pasty's going to make the next cameo.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Grid one is that really you should have sent it.
	Oh, shit.
	You guys are homies.
	Nice.
	Yo, Pasty.
	By the way, something's coming up.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	We have one from British East India Company.
	British East India Company donated $69.
	Following India's independence in 1947, the treatment of Anglo-Indians shifted from a privileged position under British rule to a marginalized one as the community faced suspicion and resentment.
	Yeah, true.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for that.
	Appreciate it.
	British East India Company.
	Oh my god.
	Yo, wait, Pasty.
	Pasty George donated $1,000.
	This is for the final appearance by Grid 1 Motorsports.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	Pasty, I don't know if you want to send in one final chat because it's the end of the show.
	I can't do a champagne pop because I need to get everybody out.
	Pastey, are you fine if I just save it for I'll do the champagne pop next Sunday if you're fine with it?
	Yeah, I don't drink anyway, so thank you, Pasty, though.
	Guys, W's in the chat for Pasty.
	What a fucking legend.
	Barrier Wisdom donated $69.
	So racism changes by zip code now.
	Hates hate.
	You don't need a system to be ignorant.
	Chair 3, please don't major in sociology.
	Don't buy that school-taught propaganda.
	Open your eyes to reality.
	Even if we go ahead and grant that there is systemic racism in white majority countries, wouldn't the logical extension have to be that there's systemic racism towards non-white people in non-white countries?
	Like, I just think that's logically consistent.
	In fact, you could even argue that minorities in white countries, they're treated better than white people are treated in non-white countries.
	I mean, right now, I mean, I don't know.
	I really don't know how it is in the rest of the world.
	I haven't done any research or anything.
	Like, for example, look, there's crimes that happen in all sorts of countries, but I believe in certain, I don't want to use like some kind of like out there woozy-wazzie thing.
	But like, for example, if you're a white person in certain African countries, like they'll just kill you.
	A white person in South Africa?
	No, not in South.
	There's certain African countries that Mali is wine.
	They'll even do this to like, for example, if you're an albino black person, there's like some witchcraft shit, voodoo shit.
	They'll kill black albinos.
	I don't know, because they're like, oh, the.
	I know that sounds crazy, but it's actually true.
	And it's such a random, I shouldn't even have gone there.
	I mean, it's an interesting fact.
	Yeah, it's just like an exception kind of argument.
	Probably shouldn't have made it.
	Kieran Markin, question for chair three.
	Who did the white slave traders buy slaves from in Africa?
	I never said there's never been like a person of color on person of color.
	Like I've never said there wasn't that.
	I just said I never like ever said, deny that ever.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, okay, we're going to get this all wrapped up here.
	Let me go.
	Thanks for being on.
	I appreciate the cameo, man.
	It was good to finally meet you, man.
	This is like two, three years in the works.
	Sure.
	Are women just as physically strong as men?
	Anybody?
	How about final one?
	I swear, I promise.
	I promise.
	Are women the primary victims of war?
	Are women the prime?
	I swear.
	I'm sorry, am I being a goblin?
	Yes, you like actually really freaking are.
	Oh my gosh.
	Shay, I thought we were cool.
	I have a flight to catch.
	I know, I'm rapping now.
	I'm rapping.
	I tell you what, if you guys are down, we'll run it back.
	We'll run it back.
	Okay, anyways, I'll wrap the show.
	All right, GG.
	Well played.
	GG, well played.
	Are we forgetting anything, Nick, or are we good?
	I think we're good.
	I think we're good.
	Yeah, we're good.
	All right, GG.
	Well played.
	Guys, last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Also, guys, guys, I'm trying to wrap.
	I'm trying to wrap.
	Let me let me do it.
	Also, please leave a nice comment once the live ends.
	I read them.
	Positivity is nice.
	Helps the algo.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Quite an interesting show.
	Kind of a weird rage quit situation.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	I know we went a bit late, but you guys were dope.
	It was very fun talking to you.
	I had a good time.
	I don't know about the rest.
	I don't know about them, but okay.
	I do appreciate you guys for coming on.
	You guys were very, very cool.
	Thank you.
	We will be live again whatever Wednesday.
	I've got a new show.
	Another dating talk Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever.
	Final TTS.
	Pasty George to Nathan's.
	Nice little message.
	I want to thank the panelists for attending the podcast and Brian, our host.
	Also, W in the chat for grid one for making a special appearance.
	Yeah, guys.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	You're next.
	You're next to make a cameo.
	Yeah, guys, W is in the chat for Grid One.
	He's been, he's pretty much, he goes back to like 2023, I think, is when you first heard.
	Episode 30.
	Episode 30, really.
	Holy shit.
	Yeah, man.
	You're an OG.
	Good to finally have you.
	Grid also has his channel.
	He streams.
	If you guys want to, it's just Grid One Motorsports on YouTube.
	At grid one-motorsports.
	Guys, drop him a sub.
	He's been a longtime supporter of the show.
	He came, did a little cameo.
	So show him some love in the chat.
	Drop him a sub.
	And, you know, I'm surprised you didn't drop a TTS during the show.
	I was thinking, man, you should have.
	That would have been like really rude.
	And everybody's like, it'd be the legend to actually drop a TTS.
	That would have been funny.
	At least once so we hear the little race car sound effects.
	That would have been cool.
	Well, next time, maybe next show, you can just come in California.
	But yeah, it was a pleasure.
	Thank you for coming, man.
	Thank you, everybody else, for coming.
	All right.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.
	Good night, guys.

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