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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	We are coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California every Sunday and Tuesday at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	I am your host, Brian Atlas.
	Without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves one more time.
	So please tell us your name, age, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	My name is Azalea.
	I'm 31 and I'm a flight attendant and content creator.
	What kind of content do you Twitch streaming, OnlyFans?
	And yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Lexi.
	I am 22 years old and I'm a full-time sex worker.
	Okay.
	And when you say sex worker, what do you mean?
	I do content creating on OnlyFans as well as stripping at strip clubs.
	And I work as a legal courtesan in Nevada.
	A courtesy?
	Meaning a legal prostitute.
	Okay.
	So, is there, have you ever been to a court, like, not, not like, uh, for criminal reasons, but like, uh, have you ever been?
	You know what I meant.
	No, no, no, but like courtesan.
	You know.
	I mean, there's still kings out there that have a court.
	So you could like the Philippines, do they have a king?
	Do you know?
	I don't think no.
	some kings out there there's the king of sweden king of so like an actual you know court Courtesan.
	Okay, all right.
	She's a courtesan, folks.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	A legal prostitute.
	That's the term for it.
	Okay.
	Hi, my name's Pixie.
	I'm 24 years old, and I stream politics on Twitch.
	All right, welcome back.
	I'm Essie.
	I'm 24.
	I have two jobs.
	My passion is social media management, and then I do OnlyFans as well.
	Hey there, I'm Olivia Bentley, and I am an intimacy coach.
	I am a legal sex worker, and I am an OnlyFans content creator.
	Did you say age?
	46.
	46, okay, got it.
	Hi, I'm Tara.
	I'm 22 years old, and I'm an EEG technician and research assistant in the field of clinical neuroscience.
	I'm Lily.
	I'm 23 years old, and I'm a couple of things.
	I'm a student at Belmont.
	I'm graduating soon, and I'm a personal trainer, and my goal is to be a worship artist.
	Gotta make money, though.
	I am Candace Owens.
	I'm a wife.
	I'm a mother at first.
	And I also obviously have a political podcast, documentary filmmaker, and I just create a ton of content regarding what's going on in the media landscape.
	Sweet.
	And you have tomorrow a documentary coming soon.
	Yes.
	Convicting a murderer.
	Very exciting.
	What time does it draw?
	You can watch it live on X tomorrow night, so we're super excited about that.
	It also will be available on Daily Wire Plus.
	The first two episodes will be free.
	And yeah, it's jumping into kind of building on Netflix made making a murderer.
	Made it seem as if Stephen Avery was guilty.
	I don't know if you guys watched that.
	It was very, everyone was obsessed with this idea that the justice system got it wrong.
	We kind of went in, re-examined the case, and created Convicting a Murderer, which is a 10-part series, first docuseries I think we've ever done at the Daily Wire.
	Extremely proud of it.
	It's apolitical, first and foremost, and it's, you know, it's been a labor of love.
	So I'm super excited to bring it to everybody and to change people's minds about what they thought they originally knew about the case.
	So, yeah.
	And you went, if I, you went boots on the ground in, was it Man at Towalk?
	Yeah.
	County.
	Went to Stephen Avery's junkyard.
	Yep.
	And yeah, just, I like to get my hands dirty in terms of really understanding what's going on and talking to people in the town and seeing how they're impacted.
	Because for us, we scroll through our cell phones aimlessly and we comment on these cases, but real lives are impacted when something goes viral, and especially when something goes viral and produces the wrong answer, lives can be destroyed.
	And in this particular circumstance, you have a man and his nephew that are in prison, and they get love letters, and they've got fiancés and adoring fans and people writing songs about them.
	And that's all because Netflix was able to produce a docuseries, and people believe that everything they watch is real.
	And so I'm really interested in dissecting the deceptive media narrative in a bunch of different circumstances.
	Just, you know, what they're feeding people, what people think is the norm, what people think will bring them happiness, what people think is true.
	And so that's kind of been my shtick, so to speak, for the last 10 years.
	I remember seeing Making a Murder when it came out.
	I think it was 2015.
	Correct.
	And then they came out with like a part two a couple years later.
	And basically, my understanding is your documentary is saying, nah, he did that shit.
	That's about and that's the most eloquent way to put it.
	I mean, there's obviously you would go into some details and you've reanalyzed the court footage and the documents.
	Yeah, just showing people what they didn't want you to see, essentially.
	Because when people decide in a narrative, the media gets fully behind it.
	It's a full court effort.
	It's supported by the usual pundits and suspects.
	Alec Baldwin got behind the Stephen Avery Innocent Train.
	Nobody thought about the woman who actually was killed and murdered.
	Trevor Noah got behind it.
	You know, I kind of say anything that goes from Netflix to Alec Baldwin to Trevor Noah, you should immediately have your radar up and just go, Am I hearing the truth or am I listening to propaganda?
	And I'm fascinated by the impact of propaganda.
	I've been impacted by propaganda.
	You know, I'm obviously a person that started with liberal tendencies.
	I think everyone knows that part of my story.
	I was left-leaning, so to speak.
	And now I'm super conservative.
	So it's right on par with everything that I do and everything that I've learned in my life about, you know, not just accepting what the media is trying to spoon feed you.
	One question.
	So, and I don't know if you want to save some of this for what's in the actual documentary, but what would you say is like the most egregious thing making a murderer did that they just either something that was deceptive or something that was omitted?
	If there's one thing that was just the biggest smoking gun or yeah, well, I think I can definitely tell you this because this will be within the next 24 hours, people will be able to see this.
	But just skipping over who he was before he they believed was wrongly convicted of this murder.
	People tend to tell you who they are early on.
	And a person that's torturing animals and cats and dogs and in a relationship that is with a minor who's crying and talking about that.
	He just had a very long, thick packet of crimes that they decided not to mention or to entirely diminish and make it seem like, oh, that was nothing.
	Yeah, so what?
	He threw a cat in the fire and doused it in gasoline, the family pet.
	Not normal behavior, not something that we do when we have a couple of drinks.
	And I think that was kind of the most egregious thing, really unpacking everything that they chose to leave out about who he was.
	Can I make a pitch to you and to the Daily Wire for the next documentary?
	Can you guys look into the Tiger King?
	Can you guys maybe put Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles on there?
	Oh my God, Matt Walsh and the Tiger King needs to happen.
	I'm fully behind you on this pitch.
	Yes.
	I will bring this to the right people who can make the right decisions.
	Please, can I get like a little special thanks?
	Matt Walsh and the Tiger King is irresistible.
	Do you think that'd be Matt Walsh would be the best Daily Wire to tackle the there's just something about the fact that Matt's a cat and he always kind of gives you the impression that he doesn't want to be there and he just has to kind of lecture us all.
	Like he's like the classic dad.
	Right, right.
	But I just find him to be so funny, even when he's not trying to be funny.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Cool.
	Well, we'll go around the table once more.
	So what is your, everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single?
	Are you in a talking stage situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule?
	Are you in whatever, maybe?
	So if you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's your longest relationship?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I'm in a relationship.
	I have been for about a year and a half.
	And my longest relationship is two years.
	Okay.
	I am single.
	And my longest relationship was probably about four years.
	How long have you been single?
	I've been single for about, I want to say a year now.
	Okay.
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship was like around three to four years.
	And I've been single since like February around there.
	Okay.
	I'm single.
	I've been single for six years almost now.
	So.
	Since you were pretty much 18, you've been single?
	Right.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Did you have like a high school boyfriend or anything like that?
	Yeah, I think I dated two guys in high school, but it was very, okay.
	Okay, gotcha.
	What about you?
	So I just got out of a relationship of six months with a federal agent, and I am single, ready to mingle.
	Federal agent?
	Yeah.
	CIA?
	FBI?
	Coast Guard.
	Oh, wait, that's not a federal agent down in Texas.
	So, yeah.
	Got it.
	And what's your longest relationship you've ever had?
	I would say seven years.
	Seven years.
	Were you married or?
	I was.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	I'm currently single.
	My longest relationship was a little over a year, and I've been single for about one year.
	I just started talking to somebody a couple weeks ago, but I guess I'm single.
	And my longest relationship was about three years.
	Wait, sorry, you just started talking to somebody, but you're.
	I've been single since February 2022.
	And so this is, it's really fresh.
	Okay.
	I would still consider myself single.
	It's early on.
	Okay.
	Candace.
	I'm married.
	I'm married.
	Third child on the way.
	Third child will be here in 10 weeks.
	Oh, you're pregnant right now?
	Yes.
	You could have been very pregnant right now.
	That's good of you not to assume, right?
	Yeah, I don't want to get into any trouble.
	You're how far along?
	30 weeks.
	30.
	Oh, wow, okay.
	Yeah.
	Any thoughts on that?
	Thoughts on whether it's a boy?
	No, I have a biological understanding that it's a boy.
	Okay.
	No, I didn't mean that that was.
	Keep the thoughts out of it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's definitely a boy.
	And I have one boy already at home who's two, and I have a little girl that's one.
	So we're on the back to.
	I've basically been pregnant for three years, so this is kind of my permanent state at the moment.
	Well, I mean, it's congrats.
	And it's certainly impressive that you still are working like crazy.
	Yeah, well, otherwise, you'll just drive yourself crazy.
	Sweet.
	And how long have you been married for?
	Four years.
	Four years.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And you said earlier on that you used to be kind of left-leaning or super left.
	Definitely left-leaning.
	Okay.
	Yeah, which I think is pretty, no, no, there's no old photos that are going to surface of me in a pussy hat screaming about aborting my children.
	I'm safe in that regard.
	But I would say I was definitely on the left, held liberal perspectives, which I think is actually really normal when you're young.
	I think when you're young, you kind of associate liberalism with freedom.
	And you're like, well, I mean, even the word sounds better to be a liberal than to be a conservative.
	So I think that's why they have that quote: that if you're not a liberal when you're young, you don't have a heart.
	If you're not a conservative when you're older, you don't have a brain.
	So it turns out I had a heart and I do have a brain.
	So now I'm a conservative.
	But I'm actually happy that I used to be a liberal because I think I understand why people gravitate toward it.
	And it helps me better able to communicate to people because I can understand where they're at.
	Got it.
	And since we feel like politics is sort of related to dating because obviously you want, I assume most people want to date and partner with someone who has shared values.
	So let's go around the table.
	What's everybody's politics?
	Would you consider yourself, let's say, liberal, moderate, conservative, apolitical?
	I mean, I guess I would have liberal stances or what people would call liberal stances.
	I don't like to call myself a liberal, but that would be where I guess would put me.
	Progressive would be a good word for it.
	I guess liberal Okay.
	Or liberal.
	I consider myself a progressive.
	Okay.
	I would say I'm an independent where it's like in between, but kind of more so leaning right, just based off of how I was raised.
	How were you raised?
	Super conservative, super religious.
	Okay.
	So.
	So maybe moderate politically?
	Maybe.
	Are there some things you're a bit more progressive on?
	Other things you're a bit more conservative on?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	So when I started out in my early 20s, I can relate to Candace.
	I was a little bit more on the left.
	And then as time has gone on and I've worked real jobs and I've been out in the real world, I'm more to the right.
	I am independent and I don't like our two-party system.
	I think it's failed.
	But I would say I lean more to the right.
	Okay.
	I was raised very liberal, but I found myself becoming more conservative, especially over the past three years.
	But I wouldn't fully call myself a conservative yet.
	I would just say I'm still centrist.
	Good place to be.
	Same, I used to be pretty liberal, but I am very, very conservative.
	Oh, you already answered.
	Okay.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	So I have a first question here.
	So I'm trying to, hold on.
	I'm seeing where I want to start here.
	Actually, wait, we had one chat come in.
	I'll just read it while we have it.
	Goodest boy.
	Thank you for being on the show, Candace.
	But the world is effed.
	Can already tell from the panel that your views will not change their outlook.
	Never say never.
	Brian, you could be an amazing psyoper just saying.
	I've had a couple accusations that this show is a psyop.
	By the CIA, believe it or not.
	I've had a couple.
	If you have any show, that is an accusation that you get.
	Have you had a piece of the show?
	Oh my god, yeah.
	Candace Owens' show is a psyop.
	By who, though?
	Who is psyoping?
	Okay, I don't know.
	But goodest boy, thank you very much for that.
	And then we had a couple.
	We had this one.
	Seven deadly simps donated $200.
	Can you boost the audio line?
	Dear Candace, what are your thoughts on Proverbs 21, 19?
	Better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and nagging wife.
	777 Decillion, 777, no nillion, 770.
	7 octillion, 777.
	He's just kind of joked.
	He's kind of meaning because 770.
	The TTS voice will read anything.
	Thank you, seven deadly since 7 billion.
	It's almost done.
	777,777.
	Welcome to the whatever podcast.
	So your thoughts on Proverbs 21, 19?
	Yeah, I like that we just jumped right into the Bible.
	That's awesome.
	Yeah, there you go.
	I would say that, yeah, you should aspire to marry the right person, definitely.
	Okay.
	Without question, you should aspire to marry the right person.
	And part of that is making sure that when you're dating, you're dating somebody of value.
	And that also, when you're considering looking for someone of value, you also take a second to measure yourself and see if you are a person of value that's worthy of marrying.
	Because I think people forget that part.
	And that's almost the most important part.
	Got it.
	So recently, a video went pretty viral on the internet.
	And Candace, you actually tweeted about it.
	Something about Shashuka.
	I don't know if I'm saying that right.
	So Nick, if you can pull up a video, we're going to just have the panel react to it.
	And then before you go full screen on that, so Matt Walsh posted it, and I saw this everywhere.
	I saw it yesterday.
	Her life doesn't revolve around her family and kids.
	So instead, it revolves around TV shows and pop stars.
	Worst of all, she's too stupid to realize how depressing this is.
	And then Candace, quote, X'd it, quote, tweeted.
	I don't know anymore.
	Okay, quote X'd it.
	This is what this is what was future.
	Wait, this is what was what a future depressions annex and wine combo nights alone looks like.
	But hey, the shashuka.
	It's going to be amazing.
	So let's play the video.
	Nick, if you can go full screen on it, and then we'll get the panel's reaction.
	It's 10.45 a.m. on a Saturday.
	I'm 29 and single, and I don't have kids yet.
	Here's what your Saturday morning looks like when you're single at 29 and you don't have a kid running around the house.
	I didn't rise from my bed until 10.15.
	Every time I thought, I should probably get up and do something.
	I thought, why?
	Nobody's making me.
	I'm not missing out on anything.
	I went to Beyoncé last night and I didn't get home until 1 a.m.
	And I danced and drank my little heart out and I didn't pay a babysitter to watch my kids as I did that.
	And I woke up a tad hungover this morning, which is probably why I was in bed for so long.
	And I was just scrolling on my phone and I saw a picture of Shakshuka and I thought, you know, it sounds really good.
	Maybe I'm going to learn how to make Shakshuka today.
	Because I have no plans and I don't have kids and I don't have a husband and I don't have errands to run.
	I can go to the grocery store and learn how to make Shakshuka.
	So that's on my agenda today.
	Also on my agenda, probably a rewatch of some Real House Eyes of New York.
	I'm also doing a rewatch of Normal People on Hulu, which is really spicy and I highly recommend.
	Deirdly, I'm into this documentary on Netflix about blue zone countries.
	So I've got a pretty stacked day.
	Anyway, I say all this to say, whenever I'm hard on myself about why I'm not married and I don't have kids and I should be further along at 29, almost 30, I wouldn't want to do anything else this Saturday.
	And I know that you can do all these things when you have kids and you're married and I understand.
	But the effortlessness and ease of my life, just kind of focusing on myself and the Shakshuka I want to make or the Beyonce concert I want to go to really pays off when I'm hard on myself for not being where society tells me I should be in life.
	I thought I thought it was going to be really her going, shut, shut, shut.
	So what why do you guys think that this video went kind of crazy viral and what's the analysis here?
	I mean it went crazy viral because Matt Walsh tweeted it.
	Let's be real.
	That would have just gone into the ethosphere on TikTok and no one would have talked about it had he not picked that up and tweeted it.
	Well was Matt I don't know if Matt Walsh was like the first person.
	Oh, was he really?
	Okay, I didn't know that.
	But I guess my what's interesting to me is that this woman has actually even said, you know, she gives herself a hard time.
	She wants to be married.
	She wants to have children.
	So I don't think that it's right to demonize her and act like she's going to have a depressing life when she just hasn't found the right person because clearly she wants those things and she's trying to make herself feel better and other people in that community feel better about not being that far along.
	Because like you said, you wanted people to settle down with the right person, take their time, figure out if that's the right person.
	So just because she's 29, you're saying that it's like too late for her and she's going to be doing Xanax and drinking wine at night because she hasn't reached that point.
	I didn't say that.
	That's not what my tweet said.
	That's not what I'm tweeting.
	You said the future.
	Yeah, because she's obviously a narcissist, right?
	Why is she?
	First and foremost, let's not pretend this is one video that she made.
	It's her brand on TikTok.
	It's her brand on social media.
	She talks about these are this community known as dinks.
	We're happy and we're childless.
	She talks about how great it is to be childish.
	So she has developed a, she's a social media influencer that talks about childlessness.
	So let's not pretend this is one woman making a video who just said, oh, I had a great Saturday.
	There's absolutely no reason if you had a great Saturday at 29 years old and you learned to make shashuka and you slept in at 11 until 1115 or 1015, whatever she said, that you need to bring up children.
	There's absolutely no reason.
	You just say, here's what I did today.
	I laid in all day.
	I did this.
	I did that.
	The fact that she has to correlate it to saying, and this somehow makes me better than people that have children is the problem.
	She started.
	She literally goes on to talk about not having children.
	It wasn't necessary in this video.
	So it's not like people are just shaming single women on the internet.
	You could go on right now and talk about what you've done all day.
	And there's no reason to bring up, but, you know, having a child or not.
	She's actually doing the shaming.
	And now we're trying to pretend that she's the victim.
	She's not.
	She has a brand where she talks about childlessness and she talks about leaning into selfishness and all the things that are amazing about not having children.
	Again, this is not the first video that she's produced.
	So the reason why, and if you're a man watching this, don't marry this woman, she's basically telling you she's selfish.
	She's telling you she's a narcissist.
	Everything she says is about me, me, me, me.
	Even if you're single, you don't have to make your whole day revolve around you.
	You don't have to.
	You can get up in the morning.
	You can go help others.
	You can do other things.
	You can say, now that I have free time as a single woman, I can go dedicate time to the church.
	I can sing.
	I can do this.
	I can help people find God.
	That particular woman that you just looked at is a selfish bitch and men should not marry her.
	That's my personal opinion.
	Yes.
	I wanted to answer your question real quick as to, you said why it went viral.
	I think it went viral because it's like nowadays, it's like it's relatable in our day and age.
	You know what I mean?
	Like 22, 23 years old.
	I don't know how old this girl is, but like 29 or whatever.
	But in my day and age, like it's relatable to be like, ha ha, we don't got kids.
	Like you're with them kids.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like, I'm glad you're admitting that.
	It's like that.
	I'm glad you're admitting that.
	It's like a term that people use, you know what I mean?
	And it's like, it's just relatable.
	Like, that's why it gets so many views is what, to answer your question.
	I think that's really honest of you to say that.
	You want them to come and go?
	F them kids.
	Yeah.
	No, I said what they say.
	Yeah, but you're admitting that she's starting the fight.
	You're looking at people that are moms that are trendy.
	When I'm with my kids, I don't post videos and say, F them single chicks with no kids.
	Right.
	She did the baiting, okay?
	And we responded.
	That's it.
	I don't know.
	The first thing I was going to say.
	Hold on, let's just let go ahead and go.
	The first thing I noticed about the video was that she was putting people with kids down.
	It'd be fine if she was talking about how her day was and sporting it differently, but it seemed like almost immediately from the beginning of the video that she was belittling people with kids, which I think is like the part of the problem.
	Pixie, go ahead.
	Yeah, no.
	I think this is like up to interpretation because personally when I saw that video, my interpretation was like, oh, she's putting herself down because she's saying like, oh, you know, when I tell myself, why am I not further along in life?
	You know, it's okay because at least I'm enjoying these things.
	So I could definitely see, like, depending on how you're looking at it, or if you have further context, why you would think she's putting kids down.
	But when I saw that video by itself, I was thinking like people are kind of going a little bit overboard in the sense that she says she's being harsh on herself.
	She doesn't have children.
	And these are just the things that have made her happy today.
	And I don't think that by itself without additional context is inherently wrong.
	Anybody else?
	Tara, did you?
	Yeah.
	Did I say it right this time?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't know the background of what other types of content and messaging she puts out, but just from that video alone, I don't think she ever, to me, I never got the impression she was shaming people that did, that women that were married had kids.
	It felt like she felt bad that she wasn't already there and she was just trying to be optimistic about it.
	And so I think it sounded more like her content was about making women who are childless and not married yet and are approaching the end of their reproductive years to like look on the bright side.
	But I really, and I'm the, I, all my friends know I'm like so eager and ready for like marriage and kids.
	But I really honestly just didn't get that impression from that video alone that it was she was in any way.
	So when she was talking about I got to go to a Beyoncé concert and I didn't have to pay for a babysitter.
	You don't think that is valid?
	It's so selfish of her to say that.
	Yeah, she was getting selfish and she was being rude.
	And if it was flipped and a conservative woman with children said the opposite of that to single women, it would blow up.
	It would blow up.
	And they would say, how rude of you to why are you even mentioning single women?
	Just say your hat, you had a good day with your kids.
	That's fine.
	If I said, oh, I got home to the projects, my kids did that.
	Okay, chill.
	Why are you correlating it to children?
	It doesn't, you know, it doesn't make any sense.
	So, and like I said, she's produced more content.
	So the context is important.
	She's leaned into this as a brand and as an influencer.
	So then you're going to expect the people that influence people to have families to respond, Matt Walsh being among them, me being among them.
	And I do would like to, again, warn men against marrying a woman who holds those sorts of perspectives because she's ultimately just selfish.
	Like I said, you can have a day and you can be single.
	You don't have to dedicate your whole day.
	It's me, me, me, me, narcissist.
	Me, here's what I did for me.
	It's just not a woman that you want to marry full stop for leaving apart, leaving the kids totally separate from it.
	I wouldn't marry a woman like that.
	Go ahead, you want to do that.
	And all I'm saying is, like, it is.
	It's sad, but it's crazy that, like, it's a trend.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's why they're getting so many views on TikTok or Instagram or whatever they're posting these things on.
	It's like, it's a trend.
	And yeah, you know, it's crazy.
	Just a show of hands.
	Who here wants to have kids one day?
	More, yeah.
	This is my third, but I love it.
	Besides Candace, does anyone here have kids?
	You got kids?
	How many?
	I have a son.
	He's 21.
	Okay, gotcha.
	He's perfect.
	And I'm good.
	Okay.
	But one thing I noticed, a trend, like, I agree that it's a trend, and she's doing that to brand herself and go viral and get a lot of attention and maybe monetize that.
	When I talk with other girls and they're younger, and I'll say, are you married?
	Are you planning on having children?
	Sometimes that's a hot button for them.
	And it's maybe perhaps, you know, these kind of trends are like it's a rebellious thing because sometimes it's expected for people to get married right out of the gate and have children and that kind of traditional lifestyle.
	If it's an expectation that parents have that they put on their children and younger generations aren't having it, especially these days when it's so hard to, I mean, it's so expensive, people are having to work a lot, you know, I mean, that's just one thing I've noticed.
	A little pushback on that question, even when I ask it.
	And I love children.
	Gotcha.
	And I don't recall if you had a response to Candace or.
	I mean, I was just going to say the opposite content does exist.
	And I would say that it's more prevalent.
	And usually there's more of it than there is the opposite.
	And whatever community she wants to represent, I think that somebody that is single, and obviously, like I said, she closed out the video saying, I know that women that are married and have children can do all of these things as well, but this is what makes me feel better because I'm not that far along.
	And I think if she's giving comfort and solace to women that want to be in that position and aren't quite there yet, whether you took it that way or not, I think that that's okay.
	I don't think anything that she did in there was meant to be charitable.
	It was all about her.
	So, I mean, just a different interpretation, but I'm just happy that you were honest and admitted that it is becoming trendy to put down women.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And, but by the way, speaking to what you were saying about it being an act of rebellion, I used to be a feminist.
	If you had found me, you're 22, right?
	Found me at 22, I would have probably had the same perspectives as you about family.
	It is something different, and you will realize that when it's someone that's 29 years old and saying that, it's not the same intention.
	It's not, I'm young, I'm free, I'm wild, and I think I'm going to live forever.
	What she's doing is something different.
	And also, just recently today, actually, Emily, Emma Rodriguez-Tchakowski came out with a quote about, I think getting divorced before you're 30 is chic.
	That's something else.
	And that a woman at 22, a woman at 29 saying something that is appropriate when you're at 21 or 22, it's a little different.
	And she knew what she was doing.
	It was intentional.
	And like I said, if you look into her content, this is not some innocent woman that was posting just to boost herself up on the internet.
	She's trying to get clicks.
	She's trying to get views.
	And she got them, for better or for worse.
	I want to come back a little bit now to people's relationship status.
	So, or not even so much relationship status, but perhaps it's related.
	So both of you do court courtships.
	Sex.
	Courtesan.
	Courtesan.
	That's an old-fashioned historical term.
	Back in the day, courtesans were able to own property, whereas the little miss didn't have that ability the way the laws were written back in the day of ancient years.
	Like the wife was toddlerized.
	And then the courtesans were able to go and attend the meetings with the politicians and the business owners and actually state their case and be influential.
	But, okay, so I'm just trying to differentiate here because courtesan, that's, when I think of it, I think of people who are in the court typically, there's a kingdom.
	There's a kingdom, there's a monarch, and there's, you know, maybe some of them are dukes, maybe.
	They're from that era.
	Viceroys.
	There's some viceroys in there.
	There's a couple of, I don't know, some other terms.
	Lords.
	Lords, ladies.
	But, okay, so you guys work in Nevada, is that correct?
	What's the place that you guys work at?
	There's different brothels.
	The Bunny Ranch, I've been at the Bunny Ranch.
	We've both been there.
	We've both worked at the world famous Mustang.
	Okay.
	Those are more normal.
	Oh, so you guys both don't work there, or you don't work there anymore.
	Do you still work at the, what is it called, the Bunny Ranch?
	So, hold on.
	We're independent contractors.
	Take your time.
	So, like, when we're on tour, we contract ourselves out, you know, with whomever.
	Okay.
	So that might change.
	Sure.
	So a couple questions here.
	So I don't know, maybe it's changed throughout the course of your life, but how many maybe you see men, maybe you see women, how many per day or per week?
	Do you call them clients?
	What do you call them?
	Tricks?
	Clients, friends.
	No, not tricks.
	Marks?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I don't know the terminology.
	I'm not sure.
	I mean, some providers may, but they're not maybe the most respectful.
	I like to deem them friends as soon as I get to know them.
	Gotcha.
	And we are like friends.
	Sometimes we're like married couples.
	But it can be, it depends, anywhere from like two just three a day.
	That's a lot, but maybe five a week.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	So anywhere between two to three.
	Oh, sorry.
	It's fine.
	Anywhere between two to three.
	Okay.
	And sometimes four or five, depending on per day.
	Yes.
	Do you know what the most is in one day?
	Like, was there one day of the day?
	Does it always fluctuate?
	Okay.
	Is there ever like a ten, a dozen?
	I don't, yes.
	I mean, it can happen.
	I don't personally.
	When coming off the heels of Dennis Hoff's cat house, there were, I mean, nickname, hide, Okay, close.
	Okay, we're fine.
	We're fine.
	Okay, all right.
	All right, welcome to the whatever podcast.
	Always something.
	Where were we?
	I was mentioning after Dennis Hoff did his famous show, Cat House on HBO, he drummed up a ton of mainstream media.
	He got one of the girls on Oprah and whatnot.
	There were so many people coming in.
	Those were the days where maybe you'd be seeing like 10 clients, 12 clients in a day.
	Okay.
	That was a lot.
	Gotcha.
	And for you two, has being involved in prostitution, has it had any impact when it comes to your romantic prospects?
	Yeah, I've got to be able to be myself and fully disclose, and I need that person to accept me for who I am.
	Bottom line.
	I have had no issues doing being a legal prostitute.
	I've had no issues being a legal prostitute just because I haven't been dating anybody within this time for that year.
	As for everything else, it's hard dating.
	I've ran into a lot of insecure men.
	Typically, those are the ones that can't handle me doing what I do for work.
	And.
	Just a point of clarification.
	So you've run into a lot of insecure men.
	And are they insecure because they don't want to date you because you are currently active as a prostitute?
	No, I'm saying I've never dated a guy while I was working at the brothels at the Bunny Ranch or the Mussing Ranch.
	But I've been dating guys like between me doing camming and dancing.
	So that's what I'm talking about.
	But you mentioned insecure men.
	What specifically are they doing that makes them insecure?
	Is it because they're insecure about your work?
	Yes.
	Like I've had exes in the past that would cry about me going to work to dance at the strip club.
	I've had guys try to control what I wear and say that I can't work at strip clubs or do OnlyFans or whatever.
	Oh, sorry, was there more?
	No, and that's.
	Okay.
	Is it because they're insecure or is that just them having boundaries and standards?
	I feel like that's, I mean, you knew what I was doing before you met me, right?
	So all of them knew exactly what I was doing before they met me, which brings it to, yeah, if you have a problem with what I do before you meet me, maybe don't get involved with me.
	Sure.
	I'm very open.
	I'm a very honest person.
	You knew what I was doing before you met me.
	If you don't like it, there's the door.
	Nobody's making you stay.
	I think too, gentlemen love the idea of dating us and then once we go to do it, then it's not really realistic.
	It's almost like fetish, fetish, fetish, like you're right.
	Right.
	It's like, oh, it's so hot.
	I have a girlfriend that does this, that, and the other.
	And then when they're really at home and I'm like on OnlyFans or on a call with a client or whatever, they're like, no, this is weird.
	This is weird.
	You know what I mean?
	And that, I think it's an insecurity, yes.
	Because you knew where I was coming from, you knew what I was doing, and you weren't okay with it, then you should have made a point.
	I mean, I suppose you have a point that, I mean, if they knew going in that this is what you do for work, you're a stripper, or you're doing OnlyFans or you're doing sex work, then I think it's a little bit of a stretch that all of a sudden a couple weeks or months into a relationship, then they start changing up.
	But I think to differentiate the conversation a little bit, for example, like let's say, and I don't know if you mentioned this when it comes to like posting, perhaps revealing photos online, not intended for commercial, like they're just on Instagram, but they're not monetizing it.
	They're not content creators.
	Or like, for example, if they go to the bar, club, party a lot, would you consider it insecure if a guy, maybe three months into a relationship, at that point he started having issues with you or with another girl?
	Hey, he starts saying, hey, I don't want you to go in the clubs and bars anymore.
	And he already knew.
	You're saying he already knew this?
	Well, like, I assume he knew.
	Yeah.
	So if he already knew, then...
	Well, I guess my framing is prior to dating, he had no problem with you or with another girl engaging in what he considered to be single behavior at the time.
	But once you or whoever it is started dating, he wanted his partner to act in a way that he thought was more consistent with being in a relationship.
	So perhaps it's okay to go out to me personally.
	Even if I'm single, I'm not really interested in going to bars, clubs.
	And I don't post revealing photos online.
	But I don't know.
	I feel like men don't do that too much.
	I mean, there's certainly men that post like whatever.
	Anyways, but once you get into the relationship, there's expectations that certain things change.
	Well, with the sex worker.
	Well, yeah, I mean, I'm just differentiating when it comes to like posting revealing photos.
	If it's not for your work, then yeah, like I can separate my work identity from my personal life.
	Go ahead, you wanted to come in?
	I think, I mean, if we're talking to somebody that's not a sex worker and is posting revealing photos, I think that that's something that you talk about before getting into a relationship with somebody.
	Because then if you're talking, you know, and a guy is like, you know, my expectations for my girlfriend are XYZ.
	I don't like these kind of revealing photos for my girlfriend.
	I don't like you going out all the time.
	And then I think from then on, that's when you decide whether to make a relationship serious or not.
	Because if she doesn't want to restrict where she's going or what she's doing or the type of photos she's posting for him, then that's her decision.
	But I don't think that it's wrong for a partner to ask her, you know, hey, if we're in a relationship, this is what I expect.
	And then, you know, she makes the decision, yes, I will do those things or no.
	But do you think that so early on, like say on the first date or second date, that there's enough of a relationship established for a guy to have enough, I don't know if leverage is the right word, but like enough pull or influence to be like, hey, listen, I don't want you doing this anymore.
	Absolutely not.
	Absolutely.
	But that's what she just said that you should early on, you should say.
	Not date number one.
	Dating number 10.
	Not date number one.
	Not date number two.
	Maybe date number three for wait.
	I think there's two things going on here.
	I think you can date someone, and then as a relationship evolves and changes, some things that you thought you were comfortable with, you're like, hey, I'm not really comfortable with this anymore.
	I think that's reasonable.
	But I think that's very distinct than going into a relationship thinking, oh, I don't like the fact that she posts this types of photos.
	I'm going to make her stop.
	You know, I'm going to change her, basically.
	Because you're setting up, I think, everyone for disappointment.
	You're setting up yourself, her.
	There's a difference between going into something, having feelings change, talking from there, and intentionally trying to change before you even date, really.
	I have a question.
	If you ever fell in love with somebody, would you be willing to delete all of your stuff if they asked you?
	Would I be if you, as a sex worker and everything that you do, if you fell in love and you found someone and they asked you to stop?
	So with that being said, I am currently single because of what I do for work.
	I am very much so busy doing my work and I'm full throttle, like wanting to make money and capitalize off of this industry to the best of my ability and make it to the point where I can retire.
	And then it's like also making this much money and doing what I do for work, it puts me in a position to be able to meet the type of guys that I want to meet, right?
	The higher end type of guys.
	And maybe later on down the line, not anytime yet, I would be open to it.
	If I find everything happens for a reason, you know, never say never, but like if I found Prince Charming or something one day and he didn't want me doing this anymore, like the or I wouldn't be doing this anyways.
	I want to retire from it at one point.
	And then yeah, eventually maybe.
	And when you say high-end men, what do you mean by that?
	Like high-value men?
	Yes, high-value men.
	Or men with a lot of money.
	High value.
	Okay.
	I have a question for you two here.
	So both of you do OnlyFans.
	Having done OnlyFans, continuing to do OnlyFans, has it had any negative impacts on your dating prospects?
	Does it make it harder to date?
	Has it been maybe not an issue at all?
	Some guys like it.
	I've never had an issue with it dating-wise.
	No one has ever, because I'm very upfront too.
	You know, first date, if this is what I do, if you don't like it, this is how I make my money.
	Unless you're going to pay me the same amount of money I'm making, then I'm not going to stop supporting myself.
	But yeah, I never really ran into issues.
	But again, I don't do full pornographic content or anything like that.
	So it probably is a little bit different for somebody on OnlyFans that does do that type of content.
	But I personally have never ran into an issue.
	My boyfriend at first was, you know, I told him and he was like, okay, well, if I'm going to date you, I have to be okay with this.
	And that was that.
	And it's never been an issue.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, I was asking a question.
	What kind of content do you do on OnlyFans?
	Mainly topless content.
	Okay.
	So you currently have a boyfriend?
	Yes, I do.
	Okay.
	Just that's the extent of it.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about you, Essie?
	I've also never had an issue in my dating life.
	I don't date that often though.
	Right, because you've been single for six years.
	But it might not necessarily be related to that you're now doing OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	I also don't do nudes on OnlyFans, so it's just like lingerie content.
	Okay.
	So I think that also maybe helps because I so yeah.
	Okay.
	Question here for Candace.
	So what are your thoughts on OnlyFans sex work?
	And do you believe that a woman doing OnlyFans or porn might have an impact on her future romantic prospects?
	And if so, how and why?
	I can repeat.
	That was a lot, so let me know if you need me to repeat.
	I talk about this extensively on my show.
	I mean, the truth is that if you are going to engage in sex work, you are going to probably make a lot of money, especially if you're young.
	You're on a very tight rope as you get older.
	Your value goes down, and men are going to want women that are younger and available to them.
	I'm talking about in terms of just making the person who will subscribe to your OnlyFans page.
	You know, obviously, women, you're declining as you age.
	And the truth is that high-value men don't want to date women that are sex workers or even women that aren't sex workers and lean into the whole talking about how sexy and then are freely available on the internet for other men to see.
	What we're talking about is biological proclivity.
	What men are doing when they first say, this sounds amazing to date a stripper or to date a prostitute or to date a sex worker is there's this instinct to have sex.
	It's going to be amazing.
	We're going to have sex all the time.
	But then when they realize that actually a form of wanting to be in a relationship is feeling that there's a mystery to a woman, that there's something that's yours, there's something that's sacred, there's something that's powerful and beautiful that just you share.
	And when they realize that they have to share that with other men, it completely diminishes the man.
	A recent cultural example of that, obviously, is what's happening with Nina Agdahl.
	She's not a sex worker by any means.
	She just kind of said some sexy things on the internet about wanting cock.
	And look at what was not expecting that from Cancer.
	I'm quoting her directly.
	So this is purely academic.
	Purely academic.
	It's purely academic.
	And look at what happened.
	You know, now Logan has become the laughing stock of other men as they piece together everything that she's ever said that's overtly sexual.
	And again, she's not a sex worker, but what happened is her value just completely plummeted because this thing that men need to feel.
	And I don't want to say possession in a way that sounds bad because it's not bad.
	It's actually really beautiful.
	And I'm lucky and fortunate that I get to experience that in my marriage.
	And it's something that women should strive toward.
	Women that make those exchanges in their youth, I think that's sad, and I do feel bad for Nina Agdahl, is because she said a lot of those statements when she was really young.
	She's probably your age.
	And she had a camera and she said it and it lives forever.
	And now every man that she dates is going to say Dylan Danis has made her available to everyone.
	And I hope things work out between her and Logan.
	But if you don't think that that's going to impact Logan or that's not actively impacting him as a man, it is.
	So with women, it's a trade-off.
	First thing you said was, I make money, this is about money.
	It's about money.
	But when it comes down to marrying these women, men just don't want it.
	And that's exactly why I said that in this industry, I'm single until I retire.
	I don't, but it will still matter.
	I don't plan on doing this or getting married or finding the love of my life until I retire, like truthfully.
	And then after that, you see what happens to Nina Agdahl.
	No, no, no.
	And then after that, I will be honest and truthful with the person that I will be getting married to or whatever.
	And it'll be up to him to accept that, right?
	So I'm just saying that men's natural proclivity is to not accept that because it brings them shame.
	Men are biologically proud creatures.
	I understand that.
	And so everybody can be like that.
	No, I know.
	I'm just telling you what is happening and why people are talking about cultural events, Nina Agdahl thing.
	And if you look at people like Emily Rodzkowski, she's obviously hot.
	But this is a woman who's now trying to make divorce chic.
	And I think that the understanding is in Hollywood is, you know, sleep with her and move on.
	She's not marriage material.
	Her husband, when he had her, cheated on her because they didn't have that thing.
	She was, I feel like I've slept with the girl.
	I've seen her naked so many times, right?
	So there's nothing special about Sebastian Baer marrying her because we've all seen her naked.
	There's nothing sacred in that relationship.
	And I'm just speaking on telling you, you know, this is why women struggle to get married when they've made themselves available on OnlyFans because other men don't want to share.
	They don't want to share their wife.
	They maybe will share their girlfriend.
	They might think it's been a data stripper for a little bit.
	They might think, oh, this means I'm going to have sex 12 times a day.
	But then when it gets down to just their biological instinct, it's actually quite embarrassing for them as a man because they can look up your girl and here she is.
	So that's what I think is happening.
	Yeah, I'm just curious about your opinion on this because I've seen like a couple of people in like Red Spill Spaces, like Pates or people similar to that, talking about how they should marry a young woman.
	Would you agree or disagree that that might not be the most rational course of action?
	To marry a young woman?
	What do you mean by that?
	That I hear a lot of men talk about how a woman inherently loses value as she gets older.
	And that's why they should seek out young women.
	Well, I live in the South and a lot of people get married young and I think it's really beautiful and wonderful.
	They preserve this sort of innocence.
	I have people that work for me that want to get married at 22.
	They drop out of school.
	So I don't think there's anything wrong with marrying when you're young.
	I'd have to see the full context of what they're talking about because I do think obviously the longer you wait and especially in this society that's creating this simulation that sexuality equates to freedom when it doesn't, that what he might be suggesting is that the longer a woman runs free, the more partners that she's gathering and her worth is being diminished.
	And I think that there is some veracity to that.
	But if it's said in a way that sounds a little crass, like seek out younger women because they're not as used.
	And I can see why people would be offended by it, but that might be underpinned by a little bit of logic.
	So I'd have to see the clip in its entirety.
	Yeah, the reason why I'm asking is because in general, I think men do have a biological proclivity.
	I can't pronounce that right.
	Proclivity proclivity.
	You know, to seek out youth and beauty.
	But I also think when it comes to settle down, you want a mother who's going to be responsible and good towards her children.
	So I think the idea that men seek out beauty is true.
	But I also think men seek out a level of responsibility and maturity that only comes with age.
	So I was just curious because of the other stuff I've heard from people.
	And also it's like they, sex is just sex.
	Like it's just sex.
	Oh.
	And just when you have a partner, you have an emotional connection with them.
	And so like the guy on your last podcast, he was on here a few days ago.
	He was saying how like men, for men, sex is just sex.
	But like spending time with a woman and like buying her things and like going on trips with her is like different than having sex with just random people.
	And that's why they were like in an open relationship or whatever.
	I'd just have you scoot your mic that way.
	Yeah, perfect.
	I mean, I definitely wouldn't say that like swapping DNA is like just sex.
	I mean a man leaves a piece of himself inside of you.
	But man, that's the way they think.
	And like for women, we get attached to them emotionally having sex with them, which is more of a when women have a lot of partners, it is different.
	It is worse in a way, and people don't want to admit that.
	But because we are more emotional, there is an attachment.
	It isn't just sex for women.
	I think women are damaged by those relationships.
	Women like to think because of the social simulation that it can just be sex, it's whatever.
	Non-committal, the only people that benefit from that lie are men.
	It is not great to have sex and have a man not call you back.
	It doesn't feel good.
	It doesn't matter if a BuzzFeed article says it does.
	I had a wonderful weekend and this is why I had sex and didn't worry about it.
	You feel used, and especially, I would say, if you're not a sex worker and you're, you just, a man does that and never calls you back, and you don't even have money to show for it, I think it diminishes your self-worth even more than your worth to a man.
	The reason why I say sex is just sex is because in our line of work, we see it as transactional, right?
	Especially when we're working.
	And then at the end of the day, they go home to their wives or whatever, right?
	And it's like emotionally, you're emotionally being there for them and taking care of them and doing all this out of the other.
	So then sex clearly isn't just sex.
	It's also emotional.
	It can be.
	It can be, yes.
	But I was saying, according to the guy that he had on the last podcast, he said that for men, sex is just sex.
	I kind of, sorry, I disagree with the idea that sex doesn't harm or casual sex wouldn't harm a man or does harm women or that sex is just sex.
	I think a lot of people tell themselves that, but I think it can like lead to a lifestyle of just like pure hedonism, whether you're like a man or a woman.
	And that can be like dangerous because then you're losing sight of other things that you value or other aspects of life.
	So I don't really think like, I think for some people that can be true, but I think for the majority of people, there's a reason why a lot of people are only into monogamy or why that's been like the norm for a lot of cultures.
	And I think most people are a little bit hardwired to kind of seek out those intimate relationships.
	And I'm not saying it's impossible.
	I'm just saying I think that's how most people are, where casual sex can be harmful.
	And I think it can definitely be harmful for men.
	I want to be clear.
	I'm saying that it's different for men and it's different for women, but I don't agree with the statement sex is just sex at all.
	And it's natural to be attracted to a lot of different people.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's like, but that comes with self-control.
	I think attraction is one thing and acting on those needs or wants by sleeping with multiple people.
	I just, I don't understand that.
	Did you want to come in?
	I guess I don't.
	What do you mean?
	Like, I don't understand why.
	I don't know what to her, but just the in general?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the idea that sex is just sex.
	When I was younger, I definitely had a lot more, you know, like casual sexual relationships, not one night stands or anything by that measure, more like situationship.
	And as I got older, you know, my views on it kind of changed.
	And, you know, you do feel differently when, like you were saying, it doesn't feel good to hook up with somebody and not have them call you back.
	So I actually was celibate for about two years before I met my partner doing OnlyFans and everything else.
	Yes.
	I wasn't sleeping with anybody.
	I like stuck to it very hard because I just didn't really like the feeling of sleeping with somebody and then getting an emotional attachment to them.
	So I think that certain people, because everybody is different, I don't think that it's that black and white.
	But I think to some people and to some women and to some men, casual sex really is just sex, whether they're leaving DNA or not.
	I think that there are people that do actually feel that way because I've met women that are like that.
	But for me, it is not that simple.
	And I don't think that it's that simple for most women.
	Can I raise a possibility just because it's something that I've sort of seen?
	So I do think it's possible that for some people, sex may be detached from romantic emotions with that person, but I do think there may always still be an underlining part, an underlining psychological part there of at least an ego boost, at least some sort of like grab for validation, some sort of grab for emotional intimacy, even if you're telling yourself,
	I'm just doing this because having casual sex is empowering and sex is just sex.
	I think even in most of the cases where people genuinely believe they're just having sex because it's sex, if they ask themselves a little further, why am I really doing this?
	Is it just for, is it perhaps just, you know, to placate my ego or for some sort of male validation or for some sort of like intimacy or connection?
	Because maybe I'm not getting it romantically otherwise in a more like serious relationship.
	I am.
	I would also press for that as a possibility, even in those cases of people who genuinely do think for themselves that it is sex is just sex.
	Well, I mean, I guess we can look to the people that do it professionally.
	I mean, do you feel that there's some underlying male validation in your work or no?
	I find it very meaningful.
	I find it meaningful when couples come in and they want to work on something.
	They're working on a goal.
	Maybe he's got a mental block and we're working on that.
	The gentleman that comes in that's having issues with erectile dysfunction and he's trying to troubleshoot that and we actually create success for him.
	It's meaningful to me.
	Wait, just one point of clarification.
	So you're a sex therapist?
	As sex workers, we're basically sex therapists.
	I mean, I don't have a counseling degree.
	I have a master's degree in education.
	We have an article.
	You recently kind of went viral.
	Nick, can you pull up the article?
	Like, New York Post.
	Yeah.
	New York Post, I'm a sex therapist.
	I sleep with clients to save marriages.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I got somebody.
	I favored this person.
	I did see it for this person.
	Did you reacted to this?
	Almost did, but I'm here.
	You're here now.
	Perfect.
	Nick, can you pull up the article really quick?
	Yeah.
	One more question.
	Sex therapist Olivia Bentley, wait, wait, takes a hands-on approach with her clients by sleeping with them.
	I've saved marriages.
	The Boise Idaho native told Kennedy News calling her work life-changing.
	I get physically involved with the majority of the people I see.
	I think that's part of the appeal.
	The veteran sex worker who's spent 15 years in the industry claims that women have asked her to demonstrate sex acts on their husbands, while some wives grant their eager hubbies a hall pass to pay Bentley a visit.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Is that pretty accurate?
	I mean, so you save marriages by having sex with the husband?
	I think the tabloids went a little crazy.
	Oh, they did the whole, you know, but.
	New York Post is known to you.
	They really, you know, went wild with it.
	But I do help a lot of couples that come in.
	One right now is asking me to lend a hand and he's more of a beta and she'd like him to be more of an alpha and she wants me to work with him on being more just outwardly in control and aggressive in the bedroom.
	Things like that.
	There's a lot of different psychological needs and reasons why people would want to come and work with professional sex worker.
	Sure.
	Candace, it sounded like, seemed like maybe you had something.
	I think it's the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.
	It's so in the realm of like dragons and mythical creatures that it's mythological creatures.
	It's hard to respond to the idea that she's saving marriages.
	It's just there.
	You're in disbelief.
	I'm actually in utter disbelief that she is saving marriages.
	Here's another example.
	Sure.
	So like, and this has been, there's multiple clients that do this, where the wife will not have sex anymore.
	She went and said, look, you know, during the, when they were courting each other, she was down for sex.
	She's a sexual person.
	She was all about it.
	Then, let's fast forward, they're married.
	We're married now.
	Contract solidified.
	I don't want to have sex anymore.
	Ooh, oral sex is gross.
	Oh, that's demeaning if you're asking me to do that.
	So you're not saving marriages.
	You're helping people to keep up a farce that they are in a marriage.
	Because at the very moment that you let someone else into your marriage is no longer a marriage.
	No.
	Yeah.
	These women know these women have turned around and said, I will allow you to see a professional.
	So they are not in a marriage.
	That's so good.
	Some of their wives are like dying from cancer and this, that, and the other.
	If I'm dying from cancer, I might sleep with somebody else.
	hold on just one at a time please um kansas were you i just would like to make the point that at the very moment that you loan your spouse out Especially if you're dying of cancer so they can get, you know, get off, you're no longer in a marriage.
	So it's just a farce.
	It's like when you, it's like comical.
	You're pretending for people that you're in a marriage, that you're in a loving relationship.
	That's not what a marriage is.
	So to say that I help marriages, no, you help destroy marriages and they can go out and say that we're still married because what we've done is we've essentially said, you take care of this aspect of the marriage.
	It's like saying you raise the kids, you have sex with him.
	This isn't a marriage.
	It's the whole thing is fake, right?
	What do you think that they should believe in this?
	What do you think that they do?
	They should work on their marriage together.
	The union between a husband and a wife should work on their marriage together to fix it.
	You don't bring out an outside person to sleep with your husband or your wife.
	She's saying, I'm not down for sex.
	And she might be down for a divorce.
	I don't want to outsource the sex.
	I want to die from cancer.
	And she wanted him, and she allowed him to do that because he needed to get off some way or something.
	While she was dying of cancer, one of the last things on her mind was a real life counselor.
	This is a real life.
	Yeah, this was a real, I'm asking you.
	Is that what he told you?
	Yeah.
	That his wife that's dying of cancer wanted him to come have sex with you?
	Not with me.
	Like, this is from what I've heard.
	Yes.
	Somebody told you that.
	As a dying wish, my dying person.
	So how would you want to go have sex with a prostitute?
	I saw it on TikTok.
	I'm just going to call bullshit on that altogether.
	No, just don't.
	Because he does have dying of cancer.
	Going through locum.
	People will literally bring their guys here.
	Please bring them on the podcast.
	I just want to say I've ever heard in my life.
	A lot of crazy shit.
	There's marriage counseling where they can take you through sex therapy where you don't have to sleep with somebody else.
	If it's about a woman not wanting to have sex anymore, what's the underlying reason?
	Are her hormones messed up so she's not wanting to be sexually active?
	Is there not enough foreplay when they're having sex?
	Like, there's other avenues you can take for sex therapy.
	Normal couples counseling.
	Yes.
	Real couples counseling.
	Where you try to solve the problem and you release it and you don't just source it out to a prostitute.
	Go ahead.
	The cancer thing is crazy.
	Yeah, that is the most absurd.
	The cancer thing is crazy.
	But outside of that, I don't think that it's up to any of us what constitutes a marriage because every relationship is different.
	the bible if a husband okay but his words have meaning But not everyone is religious.
	Wait, hold on.
	Is that a cross necklace?
	Doesn't constitute like what do you mean?
	Okay, really quickly.
	Not everybody's related.
	We're talking about religion really quick.
	Okay, you have a cross necklace, but then your shirt says made in hell.
	I'm a little confused.
	Can you tell me that the stone is red, so it matched, you know?
	Why are you wearing a cross on your neck?
	Coordinating with your neck?
	Because I don't see a cross as religious.
	Okay, you don't see a marriage as religious.
	I don't think that a marriage has a meaning.
	This is why it's like we're at a stage.
	People are like, what is a woman?
	Because they just go, well, we're going to call it a marriage, but we're going to sleep with other people.
	We're going to bring in prostitutes.
	We're going to outsource raising the kids.
	We're never going to have kids.
	You're calling it a family.
	It's not a family.
	And this is what it is.
	The words have no meaning, right?
	I'm wearing the cross.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	I don't think of it as religious.
	Okay, well, Jesus Christ died on the cross.
	You think that.
	That's what you think.
	That's what you think.
	So why are you wearing the cross?
	Because I think it's true.
	I think that the design is cute.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait.
	I grew up Catholic.
	I was religious.
	That's right.
	And I'm not anymore.
	I don't have to believe in what you believe.
	And I can say that if you're not.
	I didn't say you had to, if I asked you a question, but you're tired of wearing the cross.
	Okay, and you're saying that the religious aspect of marriage is the only thing that matters.
	It's not because people don't follow what you believe.
	Okay, I asked you why you're wearing the cross and you said because you thought it was cute.
	Yeah.
	I'm glad we got an answer.
	She's wearing the cross around her neck because she thinks it's cute.
	I do.
	Would you not religiously?
	Would you also wear like a Star of David?
	It's cute.
	Like, if it was cute, would you wear it?
	I just mean like that because I wonder.
	Like, my guess is that you would think that maybe you wouldn't wear a Star of David because you're like, oh, this is maybe disrespectful to people who are.
	Are you making the argument?
	Maybe.
	I mean, no, I'm just saying.
	It's a very good question.
	I'm just saying.
	I'm a devil's advocate here.
	Secular argument.
	Someone might just say that the cross is just maybe it's more aesthetically pleasing, even for an atheist.
	I don't know.
	Sure, but these are all about having respect to cards.
	So I'm just wondering if you're not.
	I'm asking if you wear a yarmulke.
	I think those are very good.
	What are you talking about?
	Why is the cross different from the yarmulke?
	I'm just raised Catholic and that's just a matter of fact.
	Would you wear an ibramica if you thought it was cute?
	No, I wouldn't wear.
	I mean, a yarmulke is completely different than a cross that's been adapted in a colour.
	You can buy a cross necklace anywhere.
	There's symbols of a race.
	The argument of why it's different basically would come down to like how Catholicism has been practiced versus Judaism in the sense that Catholics did use the cross symbol, tried to emplace it like in indigenous populations, tried to spread it as much as possible.
	And that's why in modern day, a lot of people think that's more okay because it was meant to be popularized.
	It was meant to be a symbol that the masses should look up to and should see in general versus Jewish symbols.
	Okay.
	I would argue they didn't go through that.
	I think we're kind of derailing a little bit.
	You wanted to come in and go.
	Yes.
	So back to the interesting brothel stories.
	I wanted to say we do actually have men coming in with their parents.
	Yeah, this actually happened.
	So I had a time where a guy came in with both his parents all the way from England to come to the Mustang Ranch because he wanted to lose his virginity.
	Wait, is this really where we left?
	His parents.
	I'm just not following the relationship for him to have sex with legal prostitutes.
	Hurrah!
	I want your stance on that because what's your stance on that?
	And if I may, and wait, now can I just say like for me, I enjoyed the experience of sex workers, not prostitutes.
	Yeah, actually, she said she said prostitutes.
	Yeah, because they keep it.
	That's because they keep it.
	Yeah, you said prostitutes or prostitutes a little bit more.
	She said that at the beginning of the show, legal prostitute.
	She said legal prostitute.
	I don't want to offend anybody.
	Is prostitute like a it's old school?
	It's still on the books, like on Nevada's books, but like the hipper hipper way to say it is sex worker.
	But here's the thing with sex workers.
	Personally, me, you can call me a legal prostitute.
	Yes, I got you.
	But the thing with the term sex worker is that is such a broad, it includes strippers, it includes women who take lingerie photos who aren't naked.
	Wait, question.
	Steward?
	Is stewardess okay?
	Because you're a flight attendant, so I'm just curious.
	It's not the term that we're talking about.
	Would you be offended if someone referred to you as a stewardess?
	You get any older.
	Older, older people do all the time.
	Doesn't bother you.
	No.
	All right.
	Just curious.
	Just wanted to make sure, since we're not a big deal.
	Earlier, it was talked about how sleeping or letting your husband or wife sleep with someone else is irresponsible or it's not a marriage anymore.
	Like, I'd be kind of curious of what you believe a responsible marriage is like.
	Or I understand that you have a religious view on marriage, but when I think about a marriage, I think like I could see somebody saying they're married if it's like completely romantic.
	Like you're not allowed to do romance with anyone else.
	Like basically, what does responsible marriage mean to you?
	Marriage is not just a contract.
	Like it wasn't just like the government came up with a contract for people to get married.
	You know, the history of marriage.
	You can't separate that from the church.
	The problem is people are trying to make things cool and trying to update and make them modern.
	And now people are saying you can have a polygamous marriage and you can bring in other people on the outside of a marriage.
	What's the point of getting married?
	Literally, I'd like to ask the question.
	If you think that if you want to marry somebody and then outsource the sex, you know, outsource the responsibility, outsource what the labor of love is actually supposed to be about, why not just stay single?
	So you wouldn't do a threesome with your husband?
	Absolutely not, because he's my husband.
	Do you believe you'd have to ask that?
	To get the answer, I mean, there's married couples that want to have threesomes.
	And these ladies are bicurious.
	You should jump into those Reddit threads because every single time that marriage ends in divorce, there's so many Reddit threads.
	No, they don't.
	And a lot of them.
	five years okay and they're not divorcing do you believe atheists can get married i I think atheists get married because they want a tax break.
	I don't see the point in an atheist getting married.
	Why don't you just live with your partner, okay?
	Whoever it is that you're dating, you're at the stage you said, I don't know if you live with your boyfriend or wherever it is.
	Why take the next leap?
	If you're wearing crosses for fun and you know, I mean, if you're actually asking the question, I mean, because then I would just be pledging the fact that I would want to be with them forever.
	I don't want to.
	And you can just be with them forever.
	So why, what is it that you crave when you want to get married?
	What's that next step for you?
	What does it mean?
	What's the difference between dating and marriage?
	Because it's a commitment.
	Is dating not a commitment?
	It's a commitment, but it's saying it's solidifying it.
	Okay.
	Solidifying what?
	Solidifying a bond between two people that love each other.
	Okay, but what is solidified?
	If you can then jump into that next commitment, which is the exact same as dating, and you can sleep with other people and you can put topless photos on the internet, what are you getting married for?
	Pictures on Instagrams to say you did it?
	I mean, I'm not sleeping with other people.
	What's the difference for you between dating and marriage?
	I just told you, it's a bond between two people.
	You're solidifying that by law.
	You're literally making it known.
	I want to be with this person forever.
	It isn't just a simple breakup.
	Oh, I can go and do whatever the fuck I want and leave.
	It's a partnership.
	It's a bond.
	It's forever.
	But there's no difference between dating and marriage.
	There is a difference.
	There is the idea in your head that it's a bond because you're saying also.
	But it's not an idea in my head.
	It's on paper.
	Okay.
	It's a paper.
	And that was what I'm saying.
	But it's not a tape.
	But I'm saying it's not a tax break.
	It's a legal thing.
	And I'm thinking for people to be able to do that.
	I'm connecting to somebody for the rest of my life.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think for people that think about marriage and don't think about a cross as something funsy to wear, it's not a piece of paper.
	You know, it is a union between a man and a woman, a sacred union that should be protected from external forces.
	Definitely not something that you open up.
	I would feel disgusting if my husband ever came to me and said, I want you to sleep with another man or sleep with another woman so that I can fill my sexual fetish.
	I mean, it's an utter perversion of what it means to be married.
	And it will lead to divorces.
	People that have this perspective will, and I'm not saying that if you don't do it, you won't get divorced 100%, but I do want to say that there is probably a reason that a lot of sex workers struggle to find people that want to marry them.
	Well, can I say a lot of the perversion that comes, if you are not going to be acceptant with your partner, if he comes to you and is like, hey, I really like getting pegged.
	I want you to peg me.
	And you're like, ew, that's so disgusting.
	Like, I would never do that.
	You want me to eat your ass?
	I would never do that.
	Well, then, okay, what are you going to do?
	Divorce him?
	Or what are you going to do?
	Realistically, I'm asking you at all.
	I'm asking, hold on.
	I really want to, I want to know.
	What are you going to do?
	That's your husband.
	He's like, hey, babe, I think one of the things about marriage that's really beautiful is I know what my husband, before we got married, I think I know who's going to be.
	But things change, and maybe he wants to start exploring.
	He wants to start doing what?
	So say, so he wants to start exploring and he's like, oh my gosh, maybe I do want you to eat my ass.
	And I kind of want you to peg me.
	Like, I'm kind of, I kind of want anal penetration from you because you're my wife and you're so beautiful and hot and we're married and we have kids together and I'm and I'm feeling a little bit kinky and I with you since we have this special marriage and bond, how would you feel if we could just try this out just this one time, babe, please?
	I think it would probably indicate to me that my husband was involved in some perverse world, whether it was through pornography, that something else was happening on the side, because these aren't normal things that people just think of when they wake up.
	So what's he had really like a strap-on dildo?
	Okay, right.
	So what's your next move?
	What's the ultimatum?
	Are they going to divorce me if I pay him?
	I would think that that individual would probably need therapy and not the kind that you give.
	Okay.
	But you're going to stay with yourself.
	So you don't immediately divorce.
	Marriage is about working through issues and working through problems.
	We don't immediately divorce them.
	And this gets back to what she was saying about if your husband, if suddenly a woman doesn't want to have sex, which would be another huge issue in a relationship, I would hope that my husband wouldn't instantly divorce me, but I would hope that they would see.
	Some guys are terrified of that.
	And some guys don't even feel like they can open up to their wives about that.
	Sounds like they need therapy.
	They need therapy.
	You got to work on your marriage.
	But the thing is, is that they'll come to us talking to us about that.
	You know what I mean?
	So it's just like unhealthy.
	And I think that, you know, the fact that sex workers exist as this, what you believe to be a solution, when in fact that's a detriment because you're getting in the way of the wife and the husband being able to communicate.
	And so I would much rather my husband go, if there was an issue and your wife's not having sex, I'd rather him go talk to a priest.
	I'd rather him go talk to another male when males sit down and talk about, hey, man, you should talk to her about this.
	I'd rather him now.
	Let me finish my statement.
	I'd rather him, what do you mean?
	Bros talking to each other about things.
	That's a normal.
	I'd rather, if I have an issue in my hair, it's pretty normal.
	I'd rather go talk to my sisters about things that are going on in my marriage.
	There's a lot of steps you can take before you talk to a prostitute about your marriage.
	Maybe I'm crazy.
	Maybe I live in such a crazy thing.
	I'm saying what man is willing to do.
	I know I turn on a tape turn on a Taylor Swift song a little bit in my room.
	I don't know.
	I would turn to Taylor Swift before I would go to a prostitute about my marriage.
	I know, but you're not a male, so I'm just saying like...
	Men can talk to other...
	What are you talking about?
	There's all of these podcasts of men talking, you know, talking to men and being inspirational and talking about porn addiction and talking about the things that are corrupting men's minds.
	That's out there.
	And I would much rather my husband listen to those men and look for guidance, whether it's in the church, whether it's on a podcast, whether it's a spiritual leader, than to turn to a prostitute in a brothel.
	I hear you.
	So there's a lot of steps that you can take from we're having an issue in our marriage to my husband's at a brothel laying next to a prostitute talking about issues in my marriage.
	Actually, let me just step in really quick.
	I do think, though, I would like to redirect the conversation because I do think it's probably a very small portion of people who are married are seeking to bring in a prostitute for the husband.
	It just seems like such a small kind of, what's up, really quick?
	Statistically, married men are actually the highest number of clientele for prostitutes.
	Yes.
	And that's why I'm saying, please listen for me.
	I'm literally telling you guys, males come to us and say all this stuff, which is like they're first scared of you guys because how you might react.
	Two, they feel like they can't be honest and open with you guys.
	That's why they result in coming to places.
	Just so you guys know, that statistic doesn't mean that the majority of married men go to prostitutes.
	But you didn't say that.
	No, I know.
	I'm just letting her know because she said like, yes, like it was if it was a debunk.
	I don't know if you're not saying that the majority of married men don't turn to prostitutes.
	So they might get a long contingent and they might be majority married.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, I get that.
	I think that's a good reason to have, I guess, to on the point of like something was brought up earlier about like what is like a responsible marriage to you.
	So part of being a good partner as like a wife or a girlfriend to whoever you're with is making them feel comfortable telling you anything, especially if it's something that they think is serious enough to consider leaving like their relationship with you for.
	Like, if it's serious enough that they would consider divorcing you, if they can't explore the sexual fantasy or anything like that, I think that's just a part of being good on the, I agree with what you're saying here, that they, that these men don't feel comfortable that they could tell their wives, and I guess that's just a part of being, not that it's justifiable that you, as a wife, you should give into any sexual fetish your partner brings to you.
	It's whatever you're comfortable with, wherever your boundaries are.
	But I guess that's a part of that continuous conversation with them so that they always feel comfortable bringing up anything to you as a friend, as like confidant, and knowing they're not going to be judged.
	Right.
	They'll be a partner with you and funny.
	I do have to move on.
	So we have a couple chats here I want to try to get through.
	We have Beaten Cheeks.
	Candace Owens, do not hold back on these libs.
	Wipe the floor with your intelligence.
	Congrats on being prego again.
	Be easy with my Essie, though.
	She's about to get retired out soon.
	Okay, first of all, I have beef with Beat and Cheeks because he asked me on a date and then posted a photo with another girl on Twitter.
	Oh.
	So you guys loyal?
	I mean, he asked you on a date and you guys are committed?
	You're committed to beat and cheeks with his race.
	Basically together.
	So he's posting photos with another woman right after asking me out.
	He's literally breaking my heart.
	He's breaking my heart.
	Commit this act of infidelity on Essie over here, who you've never met yet.
	Okay, we have Frankie Kay.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	You know what's funny about Beyonce?
	She encourages single ladies to have fun, supports promiscuous behavior in her music, and perpetuates the I don't need a man mentality.
	And when she's done recording, she goes home to her husband and her children.
	Who, by the way, I did her.
	Jay-Z cheated, right?
	All right.
	All right.
	Good point, Frankie.
	Thank you, man.
	We have Kennedy J. Candace, the honey badger queen.
	Is that your nickname?
	I don't know.
	Or did you just get bestowed with me?
	I just got bestowed.
	Thank you for your voice and being on this.
	Wacky Space is a cultural battlefield that somehow pushes beyond ideological bubbles.
	When are Jeremy and Ben going to make Brian an offer?
	Seriously, think about it.
	I'll bring it to them.
	We've got a lot of bringing them up.
	Yes, the Tiger King.
	Yeah, Tiger King and that wall shit.
	All right, we have travel trades here.
	Oh, wait.
	I'll just read.
	Hi, Brian.
	Long time, no C. Hopefully, I can come on once I'm back from Kuwait.
	Hi, Candace.
	Thanks for being a voice when I felt odd having conversation.
	Felt odd having conservative behaviors, excuse me.
	Your bravery has helped countless people become comfortable with being conservative.
	Thank you.
	That's so sweet.
	Thank you.
	We have travel trades.
	People in this day and time are exceedingly haughty and refuse to pursue the abolition or even suppression of ego in their everyday lives.
	People appeal their own wants, needs, opinions, ideas, et cetera, above all else instead of appealing to something greater from travel trades.
	Hey, thank you, appreciate it.
	And then lastly, we have sociji.
	That's probably not, I don't know.
	Panel, please listen to everything that Candace says.
	You have a rare opportunity to see what a high-value woman is and learn from her as she's intelligent, respected, and accomplished.
	You can't justify and make excuses for your lifestyles.
	Anybody got a response to that one?
	Thank you.
	Okay, there you go.
	I like my lifestyle.
	I love my lifestyle.
	I would change it at any time.
	Being in this industry, you don't run out of opportunities.
	Men are coming all the time.
	If I wanted to settle down with one of them, I think that could have happened.
	Wait, when you say men are coming to you all the time as clients, right?
	Yeah.
	And you said if you wanted to settle down with any of them, you could.
	But do you find the men who come to you attractive?
	Because I mean, I've heard from a lot of women who do OnlyFans or even women who are exotic dancers, strippers, whatever, and women who do porn or even adult content, that the men that typically like are the fans or consume the content or come and see you,
	your clients, a lot of these women don't view these men like just by virtue of them coming to you or by virtue of them subscribing to your OF, like that in and of itself makes them not a prospect for any like long-term relationships.
	These are normal guys and some of them are hot.
	So I'm a fitness competitor.
	I'm 46 years old.
	I figured I was going to age out of the industry.
	What has happened?
	MILFs are all the thing.
	They're the calves pajamas right now.
	So I'm getting a tire.
	I'm getting a lot of youngins.
	Coming.
	The young'uns.
	The young'uns.
	Young gentlemen.
	Tons of them.
	And then, you know, fitness competitors, judges that judge in the circuits.
	And then they'll say, hey, you know, you're looking good or tighten this up.
	So there's a lot of opportunities to meet a lot of individuals now to meet them, though.
	But I mean, date them.
	And when it comes to long-term commitment, I mean, I think.
	They want, well, I agree.
	What I encounter in something what Candace said is these guys, they are prideful.
	So once they start dating you, they do, in my experience, they do want you to maybe consider settling down.
	Now, I've done real estate.
	I was vice president of business growth at an active wealth management company during COVID.
	I have a master's degree.
	I can do different things.
	What do you have a master's in?
	Education.
	I got straight A's.
	Yeah.
	So, and I taught for a while.
	So I come in and out.
	I'll go into white-colored work and then I'll go back into the industry because it's fun for me.
	I enjoy it.
	And it is good money.
	And it's an adventure.
	I enjoy going out with these guys and being a travel companion and getting to go on vacations.
	No, I just wanted to ask you, as the man sitting at this table, are you attracted to their lifestyles?
	Do you think men are attracted to their lifestyles?
	I'm just curious about your opinion, just to hear on the male.
	I don't care.
	Well, that's so rude.
	No, I just asked you your opinion about it.
	No, I said, like, good thing I don't care for what an other male has to say about my industry, though.
	But he's been asking you questions about what you think about men.
	No, I'm going to say that.
	He's been asking you questions about your life.
	And the first thing when I ask one question is that he's not.
	I'm going to say his question.
	I'm just saying.
	I feel like I'm very hurt.
	I want to know.
	But why interrupt that?
	Like when he asks you a question, what if someone said, I don't care what she says?
	You know, I think that's a little rude.
	I'm saying because everybody's always out here.
	I see your faces that you're giving her and stuff like that.
	No, I just let her talk, but I just wanted to hear his opinion on it.
	So I just, was that like a little bit of insecurity to just jump and say, I don't care?
	Because I coach Candace from the Daily Wire.
	It was just a little rude.
	He's like, you talk so much.
	We've all been letting people talk with different perspectives.
	So I just thought it was like suddenly he hasn't even said anything and you've already diminished.
	Condescending.
	Okay, well, in any case, it's okay.
	I just want to hear from you, Ryan.
	Like, we've been all talking.
	I'm trying to let Brian continue and you're still talking.
	Okay.
	There's a bit of insecurity coming out over there.
	I'm not sure where it's coming from, but go on.
	Go ahead, Brian.
	Oh, do I have your permission?
	Is it okay?
	Okay.
	Okay, okay, cool, cool.
	So, sorry, can you just repeat the question one more?
	Yeah, I was just saying, like, it's interesting because we're all women and we're giving different perspectives and the female perspective on this topic.
	When you hear what she just said about sex work and how she feels about sex work, or you hear what she's saying, or you hear what she's saying, what is your honest opinion as a man?
	Because what we're trying to get to, I think, the nucleus of is high-value women, high-value men, what creates that, how men respond to that.
	And we have the opportunity to hear a man.
	i mean i personally would not date a woman who is involved in sex work in any of its various manifestations um just i mean it's kind of there's i i'm not really like a hater if people want to do that sort of thing when on a societal level i don't know if it's uh you know the best thing but uh i'm kind of like hey whatever go do your thing but
	But as far as my own personal preferences, standards, and boundaries when it comes to a relationship, I don't foresee myself wanting to get involved with someone who does sex work.
	And why do you think that is?
	I think most men would agree with you.
	And I think that makes sense to me, but why is that?
	Because I think it's just interesting to hear a male perspective, that's all.
	Sure.
	I mean, well, kind of going back to there being different levels to it.
	So, I mean, if she's a prostitute or was a prostitute, I mean, it's kind of, I feel like that's just common sense.
	Like, I wouldn't, no offense.
	I just wouldn't date a woman who's a prostitute.
	I'm not offended, like I said.
	And probably they wouldn't want to date me.
	I don't know.
	It's fine.
	It's cool.
	But yeah, I wouldn't, I know, if you're, because I would want monogamy, I'd want loyalty.
	And even though it's for work and they're just doing it for money, my view of sex is not, I don't think you can, well, people do, but I don't think you ought to detach intimacy from sex.
	And people who engage in a lot of casual sex or people who do it for work, you've essentially just detached intimacy from sex.
	So definitely not a prostitute.
	I mean, not a stripper, not a OnlyFans, no.
	I feel like that was just like an unnecessarily long way to answer.
	Like, no, no dude's going to want to date a hooker.
	I don't know.
	It's like, I don't think it's like that.
	Yeah.
	And I said, I don't care because it's like, and you're like, no, don't take offense.
	Like, I'm not going to take offense to something I don't care about.
	That's why I'm like, no, it's just a preempt.
	And you stated, you were like, and you looked at me and you said, and don't take offense.
	Like, baby, I'm not offended by any means.
	You know what I mean?
	Okay.
	I'm not looking for relationship right now.
	I'm not trying to offend you.
	She was just asking me.
	Yeah, I literally was just asking a question.
	Yeah, earlier it was like talked about like promiscuity.
	Like I'm assuming you guys believe like promiscuity is like bad or shouldn't be encouraged in society.
	I was wondering if what specific factors do you think encourage it most?
	Do you believe it's like media?
	Do you think like birth control has anything to do with it?
	Do you believe like I want to know what your top factors of promiscuity are and what you believe it is?
	Yeah, so I would say number one contributor is culture and the education system.
	So I remember when I was left-leaning, a lot of my ideas came from the school system and just what you're talking about, Planned Parenthood in the classroom, that effort began in the 70s.
	The majority of high schoolers were graduating with their virginity intact in the 70s before they started teaching health class, which was teaching people that everybody's doing it.
	And actually they weren't.
	And within one decade, it completely flipped.
	And the majority of teens were now graduating, having lost their virginity.
	So we ceded a lot of that to the education system, which when parents had more control over their children, what was happening in the classroom was based on arithmetic and not cultural issues and focusing on engineering children to think that sex is this positive.
	You just do it.
	Everybody's doing it.
	It doesn't matter if you have multiple partners.
	You combine that with feminism in the classroom.
	I was forced in college to take a feminism 101 course.
	And they kind of made you think that, yeah.
	Between Cheeks donated $200.
	Candace, please tell these women their past promiscuous matters to be with a decent guy that will not be beta males.
	Essie, that was just a friend.
	We still on relax.
	Just to answer my text and we good, I promise, equals D. All right, thank you, Chief.
	Was there a question here for Candace?
	Or is that these one here past promiscuous matter?
	Wait, can I do you mind if I push back a little bit on the education system comment?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Because at least from the things that I've read and that I've studied, it seems like that is true, but in a very particular context, and that very particular context was like basically abstinence only education, which I don't know about you guys, but makes complete sense to me because if you tell teenagers like, don't do this thing, this thing is like super, you know, like, don't do it.
	It feels super good, but you're not supposed to do it or whatever.
	If you phrase it that way, then teenagers are going to go out and do it.
	Because at least everything that I've seen recently has been talking about how if you talk about proper sex ed and people who have more access to contraceptives as well, as well as better sex ed tend to have like a lower body count than people who are like in like lower education, less sex ed, less access to contraception.
	So I was just wondering like your thoughts on that.
	I'm telling you, it's not true factually.
	In the 70s, before they got Planned Parenthood, went in the classroom and started funding initiatives and they started teaching sex education.
	There used to not be sex education in school.
	And the way that they got it into the classroom in the 70s was by saying, you know, it's better to teach them, which is what you're saying, because then they'll be more responsible.
	It actually, within one decade, it flipped.
	The majority of high schoolers were graduating with their virginity before there was sex education.
	And then when they put sex education in the classroom, the majority of them within 10 years were not graduating with their virginity.
	So it actually sexualized children.
	My understanding, but the reason why was because the first manifestations of sex education was abstinence only.
	And it was working is what I'm saying to you.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, it was working.
	So abstinence, it used to be, you know, considered, and I'm not at all trying to, I'm just telling you what the facts are here.
	Like when people, when abstinence was the cultural simulation, when everyone said you should be abstinent, you should not get, you should not have sex before marriage, that idea was permeated throughout culture.
	It was reflected in culture.
	There were no sex ads.
	There weren't people naked on the internet.
	And people lived their lives.
	It was considered a big thing, you know, to lose your virginity.
	You were actually considered someone that maybe a guy wouldn't want to marry because you lost your virginity.
	That was the cultural understanding, like, you know, in the 50s and the 60s.
	And then in the 70s, you had this fourth wave of feminism that reared its ugly head and started associating sexual promiscuity to freedom and things completely flipped.
	Again, I'm just giving you a historical analysis of what happened in the classroom.
	Yeah, I'd be interested in commentary.
	It's okay if you, sorry, can I just finish?
	Make it quick if you can.
	Yeah, I'd be interested to see like where exactly you're getting that from.
	If like later you can tell me what I was saying.
	Thomas Soul inside the education system.
	He has all of the sources listed in the back of the book.
	Okay, because at least modern day, do you think that any of that has flipped or no?
	No, I think we've become, you know, there was, to use a term, I was actually talking about this yesterday on a podcast.
	I thought it was pretty brilliant.
	But Paul Joseph Watson, I love his YouTube stuff.
	And he started talking about hoeflation.
	That is a thing.
	Actually hilarious, which he's saying that men used to have to do a lot less and get a very high-value woman.
	He's like, so think about your grandparents and your grandmother.
	She was a high-value woman.
	She, you know, she raised the kids.
	She was conservative.
	She was beautiful.
	All of these things.
	And now we live in this moment where everyone's kind of a hoe and you have to work harder to get a woman that doesn't have any self-respect or any value.
	And I just thought it was a really interesting video.
	It was obviously funny, but he was saying something.
	And we live in hoeflation now where everybody in their own capacity is selling their bodies.
	And unfortunately, these are the options that men have.
	Now, I'm not saying it's stunning to me that women talk about what men need to be and what men need to be, but I think just kind of the complete disintegration of when I look at what my grandfather, my grandmother, looked like in pictures.
	Passed in 2013 and just how classy and how beautiful and how much I wanted to be like her.
	And now I look at you know, women today and I just think man, I feel bad for guys like you know that the pool is getting smaller, but also it's really positive for women that are conservative and you know who it means that you're part of, you know, maybe a smaller pool of individuals.
	I see it a lot more in the South and that men should aspire to pursue those women absolutely to raise their families and, you know, to raise their kids.
	Do you co-sign on the?
	The ho-flation?
	Oh yeah, I believe.
	Yeah, the women I today are very low value and so it's funny because the simulation is like men ain't shit is kind of the thing everybody's saying, don't need a man.
	And it's funny that someone brought up Beyonce because she's living the exact opposite of what she's singing.
	She's just making money, because she knows how to make money in a ho-flationary environment.
	You know, smart woman, she's like I'm just gonna pretend to be a hoe but then actually privately, I'm gonna be like super, hold on, you wanted to come in.
	Then you please, if you can, try to keep it brief, because I need to get to chat.
	I was just gonna say that my version of sex education, or what my sex education, was literally them showing us a birthing photo or a video.
	Sorry yeah, in fourth grade.
	That terrified me and I was like, actually I don't think I'm gonna have sex for a long time, I think I'm good.
	And like speaking of hofflation, I mean we're common, we're always trending apparently right, because hoes, because without us hoes you wouldn't have like that many views to be watching.
	Right, you have hoes.
	Come on the podcast to talk about our.
	I'm not knocking hoes, I don't want to be a hoe.
	I'm saying you have hoes.
	And when I say you have hoes coming onto the podcast you, you know you're a hoe, literal hoe or like more of the colloquial which Brian's dream.
	You know what I mean.
	You have hoes Brian, so you sit here and you want to bash sex workers, but you know we can bash anybody, anybody.
	I don't think anybody's bashed bringing you on here and giving you a platform to speak.
	So I think that if he was going to be bashing you, he wouldn't even allow the hero of hoe.
	Wait, what do you mean?
	Making making, making what?
	Making us seem like?
	You know like no, I'm just talking about a video.
	We're a trending topic so it's relevant to speak on because it's interesting, it's fascinating.
	I am fascinated by hoes.
	I'll say it.
	I'm absolutely fascinated by the way the hoe mind works, the way the hoe hive works.
	I'm fascinated.
	I cover it on my show.
	You are correct, it is, it is trending and that's why when Emma gets up and does a video and says something like you know I'm, it's chic to be divorced before you're 30, it is absolutely fascinating to see how someone's mind can be so warped.
	You know, in the same way that I think it's.
	It's fascinating when anybody does anything crazy or says anything crazy, and I cover it on my podcast.
	You know I am not knocking it at all, I just tell people what the facts are.
	You can choose this lifestyle and here is where you are 99.9% likely to lead into in your life.
	Right, you are probably not destined for marriage.
	You're not, probably not destined for a stable relationship.
	Men are gonna not want this long term.
	You can say it a thousand times, you can have a thousand cultural examples and women's still got to go out there and be hoes.
	You know, because they're about they money and about a Cardi B song or whatever it is.
	So yes, I think it is fascinating and it is why I wanted to, you know, talk.
	This is why I talk about on my podcast and why I'm very interested to talk to you guys and I hope you guys feel that I've been respectful and listening to you, know your lifestyles even though it's so different from mine, and so I appreciate Brian for hosting.
	Well, thank you for coming.
	Candace, let's see, I have a couple chats here and then I have one more question and then I think Candace will have to leave here in a moment.
	We have Yvonne.
	Okay, modern life dating donated $199.
	Hey Candace, thank you for being a voice of common sense and a good representation of being a decent woman in today's modern, perverse time.
	What are your thoughts on the passport grow movement of men leaving America for better wives abroad?
	Hey John, thank you very much for the TTS.
	Maybe a brief little snippet on this if you think that you can find higher quality women in other places.
	I married an Englishman.
	I think America.
	Passport.
	Passport.
	Not a bro, but like a passport cis.
	A passport cis.
	A passport cis.
	There you go.
	Yeah, I think that America has really lowered the cultural standards for women more than any.
	You don't see this kind of, even the way women dress in America compared to England fascinates me.
	And so, yeah, I think find a wife, do what you got to do.
	But also, don't discount the South because there are so many good women in the South in America.
	Come to Tennessee.
	They're wonderful.
	I have heard something kind of interesting on this is that you have a lot of men in the West, a lot of men in the U.S. going overseas to try to find perhaps a wife who's a bit more feminine or whatever they're not finding here in the West.
	But you don't hear of men from other countries in droves coming to the U.S. to find a wife here.
	You don't really hear that.
	All right, we have Yvonne St. Simonis.
	Candace, I know you're listening to these women with a realization that this country is doomed.
	How will you help your son navigate the swamp before you right now?
	And if we can just try to be I moved to the South as soon as I got pregnant the first time, I moved where my values aligned, and my son will be just fine.
	Perfect.
	We have Goodest Boy.
	One of them is too young to remember the movie Pretty Woman.
	Imagine a guy just wanting a better life for the both of you and maybe even a family.
	Again, the world is effed.
	Hey, Goodest Boy, thank you.
	Yvonne.
	Candace, do you think Lyndon B. Johnson has anything to do with the fact that these women that have an OnlyFans are actually able to find a relationship with a man?
	I don't know how we correlated Lyndon B. Johnson to the OnlyFans account.
	LBJ.
	Yeah.
	Are you familiar with anything with LBJ?
	Of course.
	Yvant St. Simonis.
	Candace, what specific steps will you take to ensure that your daughter does not become one of the women sitting at the panel right now?
	It would just be impossible in my household.
	We keep her away from this kind of secular living, keeping them away from tablets, not letting them be raised on Instagram and social media and TikTok, making sure that they have family values instilled in them, that they know what the cross represents, and that they are church-going children.
	And it's all about who you hang out with.
	You will become the average of the people you spend your most time with.
	And I appreciate the time here, but I definitely would say that I want my kids to be in a different climate.
	All right, we have the Cast Man 777.
	Marriage must be a closed and permanent relationship between two people for the purpose of raising children.
	Without this definition, marriage just becomes dating with a contract.
	Sending your husband to a sex therapist for sex is just prostitution with a loophole.
	Hey, the Cassman 777.
	Thank you very much for your comment there.
	Final question here before Candace has to take off.
	So would any of you date a trans person?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I feel like if I say no, I'm going to get a lot of backlash.
	But I think my personal preference, I would say no.
	Okay, that's fine.
	No.
	No.
	While you're married.
	Me personally, I would not.
	My question to you guys is: would any of you object to a man not wanting to date a transgender woman?
	I think everybody has their own personal preferences.
	And if there's one thing you're allowed to be super picky on, it's who you date.
	Like, you know, I think that's the only thing that you can 100% have free reign on.
	You can date who you decide.
	I would completely agree with her.
	Like we talked about before, I think that everyone should have boundaries, you know?
	And as long as that person's upfront and honest and they can have like an adult conversation that isn't rooted in hatred, I don't think there's anything wrong with preferring somebody that isn't trans.
	Okay.
	I have a question.
	So, and this has been like a thing that's gone viral on this podcast before, and it always seems to spark quite a debate.
	So, would you consider it to be gay for a man to date a trans woman?
	Yes.
	For a man to date?
	No, personally.
	Would you categorize him as straight?
	Probably, yeah.
	Because, what is it?
	I'm sorry.
	This is more technical.
	I'm like, I just.
	If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
	Go ahead.
	If you don't want to answer, that's fine.
	Go ahead.
	I'm with Pixie.
	I don't think that that makes gay at all.
	Essie?
	I'm like, I have to.
	I prefer not to answer.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay.
	Question.
	I mean, does your answer change based on the stage of transition?
	Like, what if this is before any transition has occurred at all, but the person has come to the realization that they are transgender?
	Well, I would assume that you have some level of like homosexual inclination if you're a man attracted to a person who looks and represents as a man, you know?
	Like if you're saying pre-transition, I would say like you're if you're attracted to those components of that person.
	Pre-transition, if you are transgender, are you a woman?
	Pre-transition, you're a woman who hasn't transitioned yet.
	So you're presenting as a male.
	What if there hasn't been any bottom surgery?
	What do you mean?
	Like there's still an appendage.
	So you're saying they transitioned everything but their bottom?
	Maybe they're in the process of transitioning.
	Let's say, fine, everything, but the...
	Okay, I feel like I'm kind of confused here, so I'll just leave it in the sentence.
	These really two people that have penises, I don't care how you feel on your inside.
	I don't care if you dress and you wear a dress, you wear a wig.
	If you come together and you have sex, you're gay.
	And I think that is homosexual, right?
	So I know that people are trying, it is convoluted, so I understand why you're like, they're trying to make it something else and it's in your head.
	Well, what if you feel like a woman?
	It's very simple.
	If you are a man and you are having sex with a man, irrespective of how you feel or whether or not you've mutilated your body or you've chopped something off, it doesn't make you not a man.
	You're a man.
	And two men coming together to have sex with their appendages intact, obviously, is homosexual sex.
	Yeah, I think it's different if you're presenting completely different because at that point, like, you know, you have men who say that they've been trapped or whatever.
	And I'm like, that person is straight.
	They literally slept with someone who was like presenting as a woman, looked like a woman.
	They couldn't tell.
	Like, I wouldn't consider that gay.
	But at the end of the day, like, honestly, I don't really care about people's sexual orientation that much.
	I feel like this is kind of a culture war issue.
	And for some people, culture war issues are important, but I'd rather talk, like, policy about something.
	I don't know if that makes me boring here, but...
	Well, I'm not sure I'm totally following, but I guess, so, what is a woman?
	I've answered this question before on the podcast.
	Here, I can start with Azalea.
	Did I say your name or I'm sorry?
	No, you never do, but it's okay.
	Go ahead.
	So what is a woman?
	I mean, I think that gender is a spectrum.
	I obviously know that you do not agree with me, and a lot of the conservative people here won't agree with me, but I guess it's just how you present and how you feel.
	I mean, I don't really, again, I don't like to structure things that way and like make it so black and white.
	I think that people should represent themselves and be what they want to be, and it's nobody else's business, to be honest.
	A female is somebody that has a vagina.
	That's what it says in the book, right?
	Okay.
	Which book?
	The button?
	The health ed book.
	Gender and sex are two different things.
	Okay.
	You answered the question correctly, so I don't want you to feel like you did.
	You answered it wrong.
	What is a woman?
	A woman is so complex sometimes.
	She doesn't need to be a woman, somebody who presents or acts as the social construct of woman.
	And the reason why I don't say biology is because whenever we look at biology, the truth is before coming to this room, I did not look at anybody's genitalia here.
	I did not look at any of your chromozoons.
	I just assumed you guys were women because of how you dress and act.
	So I think that maps on more to our reality of how we use the word woman.
	Essie.
	This is so controversial.
	I'm very like a man and a woman.
	Man has a penis, woman has a vagina, biologically, man and a woman.
	I agree.
	I think that it's like whatever biologically and anatomically what you've got going on.
	I feel like what brings out my feminine qualities the most is the thought of being a mother in the future.
	So I guess I associate being a woman with being a mother and all aspects of that.
	Okay, that's my answer.
	Your gender is decided before you're born, when you're born, and for the rest of your life.
	I'm having a little boy.
	The doctor knows that.
	I know that because he's got a penis that is growing inside of my stomach right now, which is kind of tricky to think about.
	If I get onto this table and I start meowing like a cat, I don't suddenly become a biological cat because I present like a cat and wear a tail and say meow meow.
	That probably means that I need to talk to a therapist.
	Not you, not you.
	But yeah, it's not that difficult.
	It doesn't need to be convoluted.
	It doesn't need to be controversial.
	A woman, to answer your question, is an adult female.
	Adult human female.
	It is an adult human female.
	And that is the answer to something that it's just shocking to me that every person knew, every child, every, and then within just a couple of cultural years, everyone is so confused about, you know, water being a liquid.
	It's very, like, again, I'm fascinated by it, so I love to talk to people that are confused by that.
	But if you were born with a vagina, you are a female.
	And if you were born with a penis, you are a male.
	And if you had some rare thing happen, which hardly ever happens, but people will always talk about it, where you're born with both parts.
	You might be intersex, hermaphrodite.
	But generally speaking, I think we know that that means that something genetically went wrong.
	We are born either male or female.
	Pixie, do you object to her definition?
	Yeah, because I think I understand where you're coming from, but I think when it comes to day-to-day use of words, they have to map onto our reality somewhat.
	And the truth is, like, as I didn't check anyone's like biology or chromosomes before coming here, you can say it's an act, but the truth is, it's an act that everybody plays into.
	Everybody looks at how a person looks like and says, oh, they're a woman or male based off of that.
	And you can say, oh, that person is putting on a disguise that doesn't change their real gender or anything, but everybody acts that way.
	So to me, it's like, no, like the word that maps or the definition that maps most onto reality onto our day-to-day usage is appearance-based.
	Candace does have to take off here.
	Do you have a final response to her?
	Yeah, I just, if you grow in Afro and wear a wig and put, you know, a lot of black makeup on, you're not a black woman.
	So your appearance doesn't actually mean anything.
	You are, you're not black.
	And the same way that I'm not white.
	So how we, if we can trick someone, you might be able to trick me.
	I think Rightreach of Dalazo did a really good job tricking people into believing that she was black for a long time by darkening her skin, getting super tan and wearing fake wigs, but she wasn't actually a black woman.
	So how you feel on the inside and how you present, you might be able to trick people, but that makes you a liar, not a woman.
	So yeah, that's what I would say in closing.
	Yeah.
	If you want, you could direct your further comments to me, what happens afterwards.
	But guys, please be sure to check out Candace Owens' documentary.
	Yes.
	Convicting a murderer.
	You guys will love it.
	Tomorrow.
	It's not political.
	Come and watch it tomorrow.
	It'll be live on X. Live on X and the DailyWire.com.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, be sure to check that out, guys.
	Well, Candace, thank you so much for coming.
	Thank you guys for having me.
	And honestly, I really did appreciate talking to you guys.
	Thought it was fascinating.
	I think everyone was super respectful.
	So I really appreciate it.
	And you, because you're so young, I'm just going to say a prayer for you because I do think, I really do believe that in there there's just a different life for you.
	And I'm just going to say a prayer for you tonight.
	And I just wanted to say that because I felt for me tonight.
	I don't know what that prayer entails.
	I'm going to say it anyways.
	Yeah.
	Someday you might.
	You're rejecting the prayer.
	The prayer is rejected.
	Okay.
	I am rejecting your prayer.
	The show goes on, but Candace is leaving, guys.
	Give me just a sec to say goodbye.
	Yo, guys, W's in the chat for Candace.
	W's in the chat for Candace.
	07's in the chat for Candace.
	Sorry, I'll scoot over a little bit.
	If I want to be at home, I'll be guys.

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