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Evil Girl KICKED OUT Who Wants Brian KlLLED Like Charlie Kirk?! WTF! Feminism DEBATE! | Dating Talk #264

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	I'm Avril, but my friends call me V or V Ann.
	And I'm originally from Pennsylvania, but I moved to LA four years ago to study audio engineering.
	And I'm a stripper right now, but I also do music and audio engineer.
	Age?
	Oh, I said, I think it's 22.
	Okay.
	Any other kind of sex work besides stripping?
	I mean, I have OnlyFans, but like, I don't really like, I don't like promo audience.
	Wait, what was that?
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	Yeah.
	Philadelphia?
	No, no, State College where Penn State is.
	Okay, gotcha.
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	My name is Claire.
	I'm 18.
	I'm currently a student at UC Santa Barbara.
	So I'm a student and I also am a barista, I guess.
	I'm from Orange County.
	From OC, all right.
	What are you studying at UCSP?
	Pre-PoliSci right now, but I'm thinking of switching.
	I don't know yet.
	Why are you thinking of switching?
	Because of any reason?
	I just don't know what I want to do yet.
	Okay.
	What makes you, I guess, what made you choose poli-sci or pre-poli-sci, I guess?
	Well, because I'm hoping to do like pre-law and go to law school after this.
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	So you want to become a lawyer?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have a sense of what kind of area of law you'd like to practice?
	Not really, no.
	So anything.
	What would you, if you were to change your major, what do you think you would change it to?
	I was thinking like communications.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But still do law.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Rachel.
	I'm 37.
	I am from Utah, so drove out.
	I own a yoga studio and I'm also a yoga instructor on a campus.
	I went to college for a year, then dropped out.
	Then went to beauty school, then quit that, then went to yoga.
	Did you get a degree at all from college?
	No.
	And sorry, you're from where again?
	Utah.
	Utah.
	Like born and raised?
	No, I was born in England.
	Oh, in England.
	When did you move to the U.S.?
	When I was two.
	When you were two.
	Okay.
	Did you have dual citizenship?
	I did, but I didn't.
	I was 18.
	What's that?
	Until I was 18.
	Okay.
	It was revoked or I if I'm honest, I don't know how it works.
	My parents said I had dual citizenship.
	Oh, okay.
	But I don't know how dual citizenship works.
	Is one of your parents their dad was in the military, but we were not on a military base.
	We were just like out.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And you're from Utah.
	How long have you been in Utah?
	20 six years.
	Are you LDS?
	I grew up LDS.
	So your family's Mormon?
	Some.
	Some.
	Okay.
	There's seven of us.
	So some are and some are not.
	Were they?
	Because there's like two sects, I guess, of LDS Church.
	There's the fundamentalist Mormons and then like the mainstream.
	They are mainstream.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Are you Mormon or no?
	Are you Christian?
	No.
	Okay.
	Atheist, agnostic?
	I don't know.
	I just live yoga lifestyle.
	Just love everyone.
	Spiritual.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if I'm spiritually.
	Okay, well, you're not.
	I just like to love people.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Ophelia Perr.
	I'm a professional porn star and an online slut.
	I am 20 years old and I moved to LA about four years ago to be a greater slut.
	Wait, you're how old are you?
	20.
	You're 20?
	Yeah.
	You moved to LA at 16 to be a slut?
	Well, fake ID.
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Hold on.
	I got a fake ID at 16.
	What did you use the fake ID for?
	Because you can't do porn until you're 18.
	So I had a friend and we both got fake IDs and then we got into porn and it kind of just went from there.
	So like there's definitely an underage footprint of me somewhere that the daddies are jerking off too.
	That's actually not funny at all.
	It's disgusting.
	I kind of love it.
	Hold on.
	You're 20?
	Oh, I'm from Albuquerque, New Mexico.
	Okay.
	Maybe that makes sense.
	Sorry, drug use there.
	And you said you moved to LA to become a slut?
	Yeah.
	Life goals.
	Do they run ads for that on Craigslist?
	Yeah.
	They were recruiting and I needed a job.
	So you were shooting porn at 16?
	Well, it was more like 17.
	Okay.
	I'm not like the only girl that's ever done that.
	Like a few of my friends just like teamed up and we were like, we're down.
	The guys were hot.
	I think that's a first that I've heard.
	Oh, dear.
	Well, I'm definitely not going to happen.
	Were you doing like any escorting underage?
	No.
	Were you using it to like, were you on dating apps at this time?
	Well, I was on Tinder creating like fake profiles and then they all got banned.
	So I needed to like actually get some real money.
	And then like this porn guy was like, hey, like, he actually found us at a mall and he was like, he was like, hey, like, I do porn.
	You guys are cute.
	We were like making TikToks.
	And then he kind of just like recruited us into the porn military.
	The porn military.
	Yeah.
	I've never heard of that.
	Yeah.
	Were you like hooking up with men?
	Yeah.
	And you were lying about your age to them?
	Yeah, but I don't think they really cared if I was underage or not.
	Then why would you lie?
	I didn't.
	I just was like, whatever you want, daddy, I'm down.
	But that was.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I don't think in terms of any sort of civil or criminal liability, that would mostly fall on the men in that situation.
	Yeah.
	However, willingly and knowingly producing child porn and you were willingly engaged in it.
	I mean, you've just admitted to distributing child porn.
	Nobody's going to be able to do it.
	Well, technically I wasn't really willing to do it.
	That's not a technical you were doing.
	Well, there is a technical.
	pretty disturbing because like technically like and you're proud of it well Or she's lying about her age and this is bullshit.
	No.
	How could you lie about that?
	You lied about that.
	Like, that happens all the time, though.
	But that happens all the time.
	Like, there's a lot of people that fall victims.
	That doesn't mean you should be proud of it.
	But you're not a victim if you're bragging about it.
	I wasn't bragging about it.
	He asked me to do it.
	No, you just bragged about it, actually.
	You just did.
	And being a mother myself to LA to be a slut, which just makes LA look bad, period, because it just makes it seem like LA looks as bad.
	I mean, it is, but that just, like, that's crazy.
	Good.
	Best to you.
	I really do.
	I hope the best for you.
	It's like, I mean, people even have qualms about people starting at 18, you know?
	Yeah.
	But it's like, you just.
	We have these laws in place for a reason.
	Like, couldn't you have just waited like a year or so?
	Well, I was like three months away from being 18, but like rent was due.
	So like I had to do what I had to do.
	Like God forgives.
	But you said you were 16.
	You did start with you were 16, but I think you're like, 16, 17, like same thing.
	That's so dirty.
	Trying to troll.
	So if a man checks her ID and believes the ID to be true, is he legally liable?
	Yeah, there's, I think it's called strict liability.
	So even if you've been, as the man, you genuinely thought she was like 21, she showed you an ID, she showed you a birth certificate, but she, what's the term when people like fake something?
	There's a term for it.
	Nobody.
	We have nine brains here.
	Nobody knows the term.
	I'm just like, when you like forger it.
	Oh, forgery.
	You forge a document.
	Technically, yeah, you would, you know, you would be found, you would be, it would be statutory rape.
	Akon got in trouble for that because he, like, he made a, I think he made a song about it too, but like there was somebody that came into the club that was under the age and it's a 21 and over club, but she was because she was in the building.
	Okay.
	So he got in trouble because she was under the age of 18.
	Just like businesses that serve liquor, if somebody comes in under the age and they get caught, they still potentially can lose their liquor license.
	Now, I personally think if you've genuinely been duped and you like this is just a predatory woman or whatever, that should, I think that should be some sort of defense if like she's presented you a fake ID.
	I agree.
	I mean, Bonnie Blue does it all the time and nobody seems to have a problem.
	She's like a hero.
	She doesn't.
	She does what?
	Is she 16 or 17?
	But like she sleeps with barely legals and they're 16, 17.
	Like is that okay that she does that?
	No.
	No.
	We're not talking about it.
	Not at all.
	I thought we were supposed to like all introduce ourselves.
	I don't think we finished introducing ourselves.
	I think this is too juicy to skip over.
	Yeah, lead off that you were 16 years old producing porn.
	Corn.
	That happens all the time though.
	Like that's why I feel like that doesn't make it right.
	It doesn't make it right at all.
	That's like so disturbing.
	To use the word slut in the same sentence of talking about being 16 and you're young and beautiful, and I don't want you to feel like we're all attacking you because it might seem like that, but you should just want better for yourself than to just say, I'm a slut.
	I came in at 16, I'm a slut, and I can do it.
	Want better for yourself because I guarantee when you're 30, you're not going to be feeling the same way you're going to be able to do it.
	Well, I did want better.
	That's why I said that.
	But you don't, because right now you said that.
	That's something to not romanticize.
	Like, we don't want to romanticize that.
	I was just like addicted to the fact that you are a 20-year-old porn star, which is great.
	Like, more power to you.
	Do what you want to do with your body, your life.
	But you really should just want better for yourself and shouldn't be so proud to just be going out and saying, oh, I started at 16 and I was tricking these people into thinking that I'm 18 and doing porn.
	That's not okay.
	And just because other people do it, I don't even know who Bonnie Blue is because I don't pay into that shit.
	So don't compare one thing to another and say, Well, so-and-so is going out and stealing.
	So how come I can't do it?
	That doesn't mean that it's not right.
	That's all we're trying to get a point across.
	Okay, I'll take that into consideration.
	Yeah, you're a fucking liar.
	In your pre-show notes, in your pre-show notes, you wrote when we asked your age.
	I knew you were fucking lying.
	We asked your age, you said you're 23.
	And now you're sitting on the podcast saying you're 20.
	Ew, are you going to be annoying the whole show and make up who you are?
	All right.
	Because I don't have time for it, girl.
	That's a yellow card.
	That's pretty early.
	That's a yellow card.
	You get a red card.
	Admitting to child porn isn't a red card right away.
	Yeah, admitting to child porn.
	Definitely be.
	It is 100% rage baby.
	No, I actually don't consent of child porn.
	That's honestly fucked.
	So did you tell the truth in the last 10 minutes?
	Hold on, let's explore this, though.
	Let's actually get an admission from you that you just lied about your age.
	Yeah.
	Is she even 21?
	Or do we want to double-check her ID to make sure she's legal to be on the podcast at this point?
	Does it matter what you see in Pearson?
	Hey, what does that yellow card mean?
	You're in trouble.
	Have you seen like sports like soccer?
	Probably not.
	There's a yellow card.
	No.
	You get the red card, you're off the field permanently.
	It's a slut demotion.
	What's up?
	Oh, wow.
	Literally, like, the makeshift.
	Check her ID.
	That sounds like a good punishment.
	All right, you get to wear the dunce hat for 10 minutes.
	I cannot.
	And then let me have you spin the helicopter on top.
	All right, spin it.
	Spin it.
	Keep going.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Nice, good.
	Good skills.
	Look at this.
	Wow.
	Great space.
	Nice, well done.
	All right.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	Good job.
	Investigated.
	The fuck.
	Ridiculous.
	Crime busters.
	It's nice to meet everyone.
	Oh, my God.
	I don't think we met yet.
	Probably the video is probably demonetized now because she fucking.
	All right.
	I'll probably red card her.
	I'm going to make a note to just fucking red card her later.
	But once you talk about that shit on stream, it's just, yeah, it's probably demonetized.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Let me just let this come through.
	Actually, we'll do intros that.
	Er, no, no, no.
	Here, I'll do it.
	Thank you, Adzils.
	Adzils donated $200.
	Hey, Brian, your favorite Brit is back.
	Love from the UK, as always.
	If Chair 4 is 20, then I'm Michael Jackson reincarnated.
	A big possibility of being old but having no brain power.
	Chair 7.
	Taste.
	Who's Chair 7?
	Oh.
	Hi.
	Thanks.
	What?
	So does he think she's older or younger than Tony?
	She looks younger to me.
	I think he was implying older.
	I think we need to do an ID.
	All right, Ben.
	What?
	Okay, we're.
	Are there mods in chat?
	Hello?
	Okay.
	No mods in chat, I guess.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	My name is Jeanette.
	I am 43.
	Born and raised in Coronado, California, and I now reside in Orange County.
	I am a former adult content creator, and I've been a housewife for the last five years.
	And you used to do OF, is that it?
	I was a CAM model, and I was in the early stages of OnlyFans.
	I got out right before COVID started, right before the big boom.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Olivia.
	I'm 23.
	I came from Virginia, so I came kind of cross-country.
	And then I went to the University of Arizona.
	I graduated with a bachelor's in veterinary science.
	And then I am now, I do fitness coaching, and then also I bullettend.
	I'm a boista, and then I also serve.
	So.
	Okay.
	And hold on.
	You said you're from Virginia?
	Virginia.
	Like you grew up there?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	And I had a question for you, but I'll have to remember it later.
	What about you?
	My name is Lindsay.
	I am 37.
	I live in Orange County, California, and I moved here from Illinois about 14 years ago.
	And I'm a national director for a cosmetic medical device company.
	All right.
	Any college, university?
	Yeah, I did do cosmetology school and then business.
	You have your CLC in the College of Lake County.
	No, just business courses.
	I don't have my bachelor's.
	College for you?
	A University of Arizona.
	What did you get your Bachelor's of Veterinary Science?
	Gotcha.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm Tina.
	I'm 30 from originally Arizona.
	I moved out here like 12 years ago and I live in Oxnard.
	It's about 45 minutes to an hour outside of this area.
	And I am currently a medical assistant.
	I work for one of the best bariatric surgeons in the entire country and actually world.
	He goes worldwide and teaches people, other doctors, how to do the surgeries he does.
	And I'm currently working on my bachelor's in nursing.
	All right.
	And sorry, could you just repeat age?
	I missed that.
	30.
	30.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single and longest relationship?
	Go ahead.
	Sing.
	I'm single.
	I think I've been single for like six or seven months.
	I don't really know, but I just got out of like a three-year relationship, and that's my longest relationship.
	All right.
	And sorry, when did you get out of it?
	Like six or seven months ago.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Any rebounds?
	Honestly, not really.
	Like maybe like a couple.
	Okay.
	But not serious.
	Like nothing serious.
	What about you?
	I'm currently single too.
	I haven't really dated that much.
	My longest relationship was maybe like six months.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	So you have had a relationship?
	Yeah.
	You guys called each other boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Okay, six months.
	Who broke up with who?
	I think it was mutual.
	All right.
	How long were you?
	Have you been single?
	Probably like less than a year.
	Maybe like since like December last year.
	And was that the six-month one?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	But in the one year you've been single, you have been dating, having situationships.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What's the long in the past year, what's the longest period of time you've been seeing a guy?
	A couple weeks?
	A couple months.
	Like six months also?
	I think that's maybe my like.
	There's been another six months?
	Yeah, just like it was a situation ship.
	Okay.
	Are there any guys currently in the picture?
	No.
	Nothing.
	Are you on dating apps?
	No.
	No guys.
	Zero.
	Not even texting.
	You're not texting a guy.
	Not messaging a guy.
	Not occasionally checking in with an ex-boyfriend, ex-guy, ex-fling.
	Hello?
	So have you been celibate or what's going on?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, I don't, I'm kind of like busy.
	I have like my own life and like school and work.
	So, yeah.
	And is there a guy in the picture for you currently?
	No, no.
	Nothing?
	No.
	I've been like sober and celibate.
	You know?
	You've been sober and celibate?
	Yeah.
	Are you currently sober?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm four months.
	This is just how you are?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, I know.
	Is it California sober or?
	No, no, sober sober.
	California sober isn't real sober.
	Wait, where are you from again?
	You're from Pennsylvania.
	Oh.
	What's that?
	You sound like Minnesota.
	Oh my gosh.
	Well, I live by the Canadian border, kind of, so I think we like pick up a bit of a Canadian accent, you know?
	I think the piercing.
	I can hear it, you know.
	It's good.
	Hey, yo, Pasty George, where are you at, man?
	Pasty George, I think, is here.
	He's one of our viewers.
	He's Canadian.
	Okay.
	So no guys in the picture.
	No.
	Okay.
	Relationship status.
	I am married.
	I've been married for eight years.
	We've been together for 10 years.
	It's tied for longest relationship.
	I've had two ten-year relationships.
	Were you married to the previous one?
	I was.
	So two marriages?
	Yes.
	Two marriages.
	Okay.
	Any kids?
	Two.
	Two kids.
	From current?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So just one father?
	Yes.
	All right.
	Two kids.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And it's like a normal, it's not like poly marriage or something like that.
	Nope.
	No, I've got a lot of money.
	Not like an open.
	I would not be.
	Nope.
	Not open.
	Okay.
	No, he's nope.
	Got it.
	Mine.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship.
	Me?
	Probably like a week.
	I don't really date.
	I think it's kind of overrated.
	So.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, guys.
	How long you been single?
	Probably like five years.
	Yeah.
	Are you is there currently a guy in the picture?
	No.
	Just all my hoes.
	What does that mean?
	Like all my hoes are my guys.
	So you have a hell of guys.
	Yeah.
	How big is the roster?
	How many hoes do you have?
	Maybe like over a hundred hoes.
	I just like rotate them out.
	I just like rotate them out.
	So like technically those are my boyfriends because I like I want all the boyfriends, not just one boyfriend.
	So like could you count that as a relationship?
	Because I have one like individually with each other.
	How about this?
	In the past three months, of the hundred hoes that you have, how many of them have you seen?
	All of them?
	Everyone.
	And you've slept with all of them?
	Yeah.
	Well, like, it would be boring if we didn't.
	See, now the problem is with...
	What are the stats on that per day?
	Well, see, you're giving her but a bit too much credit here.
	She's obviously trolling, right?
	100% she's trolling.
	Well, when we do porn, we have a lot of bodies, so I definitely, like, do have the hoes, you know, that I see outside of porn.
	Yeah, but he asked relationships.
	But those are relationships.
	No, they're not.
	Yes, they are.
	In this, yes, they are.
	They're not.
	See, if you're going to troll, you have to do it like in a semi-convincing way where somebody can kind of question it, but you've gone so exaggerated with it.
	It's just so obvious.
	I'm so monotone.
	Like, I'm not.
	Like, come on.
	But I'm actually not trolling about the 100 boyfriends.
	Like, I'm really not.
	All right, that's fine.
	So, in the past, like, week, how many of them have you slept with?
	Well, as of now, they're on timeout.
	So, probably, like, just like me, I'm on my best behavior.
	Do you want me to spin the thing again?
	I was going to ask you.
	What does this even mean?
	This feels like a humiliation ritual.
	Yes, dear.
	It's well deserved.
	Can you take it off or though?
	Take it off.
	Just pass it back here.
	You play some music.
	All right, thank you.
	Here, oh, you want music?
	I got you.
	Hold on.
	I'm spinning.
	Is the audio all the way up?
	Is this the theme music for my dating life?
	I think it is.
	It's okay.
	I can give you some of my hoes.
	I don't want your hoes.
	So, do you have a main hoe?
	Yeah.
	Do you have multiple main hoes or just one?
	No, it's just one right now.
	He's kind of growing on me, I'm not going to lie.
	How many side hoes do you have?
	Since there's one, like 99 is the rest of the side hoes.
	You have exactly 100.
	Exactly.
	Good.
	Name them all.
	Okay.
	There's John.
	Well, they're just like basic daddy white names, like John Garcia.
	There's Terry Brad.
	I think it would be not appropriate to say their last names.
	Well, you said to name them, but you're right.
	I actually respect that.
	I think they rather stay confidential.
	But yeah, no kids either.
	Maybe one day.
	Like, I do have a breeding kink, so I might be down for that, but as of now, I don't think.
	Okay.
	And in the past, you said they're on timeout.
	They're on timeout.
	What does that mean?
	Because I just want to see my one hoe.
	Okay.
	How long have they been on timeout?
	Like two weeks.
	Okay, so two weeks ago in the past week, so I guess two weeks to three weeks ago, that time period.
	How many of the 100 men you're currently dating have you did you sleep with in that week period?
	Just the one, because I'm trying to be like a conservative woman now and just like, respect the one guy and get to know him and really bond with him and like, and I'm trying to think, have you in a 24-hour period, what is the most of men, most amount of men that you've slept with in a 24-hour period?
	Well, I just said one it's.
	I've not slept with a hundred men, although that would be fun because I have seen girls doing that and, I'm not gonna lie, they're kind of inspiring.
	You just said that your roster consisted of a hundred men.
	It did consist of a hundred men, but right now I'm focusing on the one guy, because you said you had slept with all of them.
	Well, I did sleep with all of them throughout the course of a year.
	So that's a hundred dear.
	So did in a 24 hour period.
	Did you ever like hook up with two guys in a 24 hour period?
	No, just the one guy.
	I feel like you really can't love yourself if you just give yourself to everybody like that.
	Okay, what about the?
	But that's what I was born for.
	I was born to sleep.
	I feel like she's just full of shit on everything she's saying.
	Stop, don't engage her on that.
	How about in a week?
	What's the most amount of men that you've slept with in a week?
	The one If you've slept with 100 men.
	That was like in the past, that was 100 men.
	But now, like I said, I'm trying to be.
	I'm not saying the past week.
	I'm saying in a given week, what is the most amount of men that you slept with?
	Oh, maybe like 20.
	Okay, in a day, what is the most amount of men you've slept with?
	Two.
	Okay.
	In a month, what is the most amount of men you've slept with?
	100.
	In a month?
	In a month.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I'll come back to you in a moment.
	I don't think I've done it.
	What about you?
	How do I go after that?
	I am in the middle of a very contentious divorce.
	So newly, new into the single world.
	I am not on dating apps.
	I don't like to be part of the hookup culture.
	I like monogamy, so it's a new fun future.
	Okay.
	Wait, so you're married?
	I'm still currently married in the process of divorce.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	So how long were you guys together for?
	Five years.
	My longest relationship was six.
	Gotcha.
	Is this your only marriage?
	I have been married before.
	How many times?
	Twice.
	Twice.
	Okay.
	Engaged four times.
	All right.
	Who initiated the divorce?
	I did.
	Both times?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can you guys tell me, those of you who've been divorced, do you have to, when you file for divorce, you have to put a reason or something, right?
	In California, it's a no-fault state, so you can just say, you know, it recognizes.
	Okay.
	And then you've been divorced once, right?
	We were split up for over a year, so we printed papers, went to the courthouse, and then went out to lunch afterwards.
	So we didn't have to write a reason or anything.
	We just weren't together anymore.
	And you initiated the divorce?
	It was mutual.
	Who filed the paperwork?
	He printed it.
	We went together.
	Okay.
	Was there a reason for why you guys got divorced?
	He was my high school sweetheart, and we were Mormon and young.
	And so we got married.
	And I think we just grew apart as we got older.
	But I have only good things to say about him.
	I wish I was Mormon.
	I wish you were too.
	Me too.
	Lucky.
	That would be fun.
	I'd like a Mormon daddy.
	You walked right into that, sweetie.
	And then for you, you initiated both divorces.
	Yes, the first one, I was the breadwinner, and I didn't want to be that.
	I realized that I couldn't maintain that forever, and I didn't want to have to support him.
	The second one, he was the breadwinner.
	It was my first time not having my own income, and I would have preferred I had chosen someone a little bit more responsible and ready to be a husband.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Going back to you here, did your husband pay you alimony?
	No.
	No alimony.
	And then was there like a distribution of there's, I don't know exactly how it works, but did he have to pay you anything divorce?
	You guys pretty much went separate.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we just split our stuff.
	For you, sorry, kids?
	I have a son.
	He is 12.
	Is that from your...
	No.
	Nope.
	Any of your marriages?
	One of my engagements.
	One of your engagements.
	Okay, because engaged four times.
	Okay.
	Does he pay really quick on the kid?
	Does he pay you child support?
	I pay him child support.
	Okay.
	Custody is at 50-50?
	It is $50-50.
	When we separated, I was not doing well financially, and I became quite successful after the fact.
	And so then he came to take his piece of that.
	Okay.
	But you pay him child support.
	May I ask how much?
	It's fluctuated over the years.
	You know, as a housewife, the last five at its peak.
	At its peak, probably like $1,500 or $1,700 a month.
	Okay.
	How do you feel about that?
	Does it you feel a bit upset?
	I just found it was crazy because I hadn't asked for child support when I was not doing well financially.
	I was willing to take care of my side of things, and it's 50-50.
	You take care of your side, I'll take care of mine.
	So I thought it was pretty equal there.
	So when he found out I was making so much money, he came after a cut that was pretty disheartening.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	This is why we need abortions.
	Do you have sole custody?
	No, it's 50, it's absolutely 50-50 shared.
	But in California, whoever's making more money has to pay.
	Yeah, I know.
	Huh, okay.
	And you think I should have had an abortion so I don't have to pay my ex-child support?
	I just think in general, like the world's overpopulated.
	So I think we need abortions to decrease the population of unwanted pregnancies.
	Because, yeah, like, why would you ever pay a man your money?
	It's actually a lot lower now than it was in the past.
	I'm just wondering.
	There are a lot less people having babies nowadays, and the population is actually much lower than what it used to be.
	Yeah.
	Thank God.
	Shout out hookup culture.
	What?
	So funny.
	Haha.
	So, okay.
	I'm trying to think.
	Oh, alimony from either of your divorces.
	No, from the first.
	And I am in the process of figuring out what the alimony will be for this second one.
	It's been a battle.
	Okay.
	I was a housewife, so I had no income.
	So leaving the marriage with no income, you're entitled to a certain amount.
	And that's what we're going to find out.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	My longest relationship was like six, seven months.
	And then.
	How long have you been single for?
	Let's see.
	Probably a year and a half.
	All right.
	And are there any guys in the picture currently, even just texting?
	Yeah, I mean, texting.
	Any like a guy you're been on dates with?
	Yeah, I've been on dates.
	And this is, you're in, wait, hold on.
	Virginia, right?
	Virginia, yes.
	Are you by DC?
	No, I grew up near DC, but I'm more in Central Virginia.
	Okay.
	So, yeah.
	How long have you been seeing this guy?
	I would say didn't go on a date until March, May, March, April, but I met him February.
	So you've known him for six, seven, eight months.
	No, I so February I met him and then May no March March of April I went on a date with him for the first time.
	How many dates have you guys been on?
	I don't know.
	How often do you see each other?
	Not often.
	When's the last time you saw him?
	Probably July.
	So July.
	We just, it's kind of, it's kind of like because he, so I'm in Central Virginia.
	He's in like DC area.
	How far is that?
	That's like two and a half hours.
	And then it's just like medium distance.
	Yeah, it's a medium distance kind of thing.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have you guys tried to meet up?
	Yes.
	When's the last time you guys spoke?
	The last time we spoke.
	Have you texted today?
	No, not today.
	Yesterday?
	Probably like two days ago.
	Two days ago.
	Okay.
	Have you said I love you?
	No, this is a also just a casual thing.
	So just sex?
	Not even just sex.
	It's just like sometimes dating and just going to dates.
	Wait, so no sex?
	There is, but it's not every single time you meet up.
	Right.
	That makes sense.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Are there any other guys in the picture?
	Not really, no.
	What do you mean, not really?
	I feel like, I mean, I. There's no one, I guess.
	Are you on dating apps?
	Yes.
	Yes, you are?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	When's the last time you went on a date with somebody from a dating app?
	Oh, that's been a year.
	Okay, maybe.
	You'll message them.
	I'll message them on dating apps and stuff.
	Okay.
	It's not like there's nothing really that comes out.
	Honestly, there's nothing that really comes out of it.
	This guy you're currently seeing, how did you guys meet?
	Dating app?
	No.
	I was at a gym and then we just started talking.
	Okay, you guys went to a gym.
	All right.
	Okay.
	If you started seeing somebody else, would you cut things off with him?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Are you like emotionally available?
	Like, what do you mean by that?
	Oh, I don't know if you have feelings for this guy.
	Are you like emotionally available?
	Or are you attached to Mr. Washington, D.C.?
	I'm not.
	I'm not.
	Yes, I'm emotionally available.
	I'm not attached to him.
	Okay.
	That makes sense.
	You guys just occasionally go on dates.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am single.
	My longest relationship was three years.
	I've been single for just shy of two years, and I am not currently dating, seeing, or hooking up with anyone.
	Okay.
	You were married, correct?
	No.
	Or, okay.
	You have a kid, though.
	Yes, I have a two and a half year old son.
	And is that from your ex said three years?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Does he pay you child support?
	Well, we weren't.
	We he helps out.
	We don't have anything through the legal system.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's just you guys have an understanding.
	Sure.
	Does he so he doesn't have there's not formal child support, but does he send you money?
	He pays half of my son's little school, and then when I do ask and need help with other things, he will help and support.
	Yeah.
	My son lives with me full-time.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm currently in a relationship with a wonderful man.
	Shout out to you, baby.
	I think you're watching.
	We've been together for a little over a year.
	My longest relationship was a situationship.
	And that was like five or six years of my life.
	Situationship for five to six years?
	Yes.
	Ever married?
	Any kids?
	I have one kid.
	It happened after my situationship.
	With a different guy.
	Yeah, just not your current.
	No, no, no.
	Just hookup era or hookup, whatever it's called.
	Wait, question.
	The five to six year, you said it happened after the five to six year situationship.
	Yeah, he was.
	So, and when you say it was a situationship, are you talking it was on again, off again a lot?
	No, it was like I wanted to be in the relationship and I wanted to be monogamous.
	And I made that very clear to him, and he kind of gaslighted me a lot of the relationship.
	And when you say gaslighted you, how so?
	Like, he would lie to me about certain things that he did, or like he would portray things to me and like make it seem like we were in a relationship, but would also like under his breath be like, well, we're not together, so it doesn't matter what I do.
	My confusion here, though, is you yourself have characterized it as a situationship.
	No, it was.
	I knew that after a question, though.
	Yeah, so during the course of the five to six years you were with him, while you were with him, would you have characterized it as a situationship?
	I think I didn't really know what a situationship was.
	So I like I knew that we didn't have a label on it, but I very much wanted to be committed to him and be with him.
	But he didn't obviously want the same in return.
	And did he make this known to you during the course of the relationship?
	Yeah, he did.
	I would say he did.
	Okay.
	And then at any point during the relationship, did he refer to you as his girlfriend?
	Between me and him, he would, but like on the outside, no.
	He definitely, it was just, oh, this is my friend.
	So he would, at some points, he did overtly refer to you, explicitly refer to you as girlfriend.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And however, you guys also had explicit, overt conversations about, like, it doesn't sound like he actually verbalized that he would be monogamous.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	At no point.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Not pretty much.
	Okay, so he was overt in saying he basically wanted it to be an open relationship.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	During this course of time, were you dating other men during the five to six years?
	No.
	At any point?
	No.
	Even short term?
	No, I was not.
	So you were loyal to him?
	Yes.
	However, he was not loyal to you.
	Is that correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	My confusion, though, is exactly how he gaslit you.
	Because I understand that you wanted commitment, and perhaps it's a sucky thing that he didn't want the same.
	However, frustrating as it may be, it seems like he did tell you what the deal was.
	He did say, and you might say, well, that's wrong, objectionable.
	But he doesn't sound like he lied.
	He did say, I'm not going to commit to you.
	On the outside, looking at like after the fact, and I'm older now, so I understand it more.
	And yes, that is true.
	But when I was actually actively in the situation and going through the relationship, I was young and dumb.
	And I thought that I could change a man and make him be faithful and who I wanted him to be.
	And now I understand that you can't do that.
	Like a man brings to the table what he wants to bring to the table.
	You can't force him to be any type of way.
	Okay, and just curious, from what age to what age did you date him?
	21, 22 to 27.
	Had you had relationships prior?
	Yeah, I did.
	And were you boyfriend, girlfriend in those relationships?
	Yeah, we were.
	Well, you said, sorry, 21 to 20.
	22 to 27 because I have my son at 28.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, 22, you're still on the younger side, but it's not exactly, I don't know if we can defer to naivete entirely here, but I don't know if I agree with your gaslighting characterization, at least the way you've described it.
	Perhaps it's the case, but as you've explained it thus far, I don't know if I it's just because we would go out and we would do things that you do in a normal relationship.
	Like we would take vacations together, we would go to dinner together.
	Like I've met his son, I've met his mom, and maybe not gaslighting, but that's what it felt like to me during.
	I don't think we can always assume, though, that just because you engage in certain activities with somebody you're spending time with, that it would necessarily infer that you're in a relationship.
	I understand how it could potentially be confusing.
	You know, I've heard this complaint from many women.
	They say, well, he introduced me to his parents.
	Okay, maybe the introduction to the parents thing.
	I can probably get on board with that.
	That's like, I don't know, that's probably like somebody on a little bit, you know?
	But I don't know, like going out to dinner, going on vacations.
	You could do that with somebody who's like friends with you.
	It's like more casual.
	But, okay.
	Question though.
	The guy you ended up having a kid with.
	Yes.
	How long were you seeing him?
	We weren't seeing each other.
	We would just like hook up off and on.
	Okay.
	Like before the situationship, and then the situationship kind of really fucked me up mentally or messed me up mentally.
	Sorry.
	And I was just on a drinking bender, drinking a lot of Hennessy, and one day, yes, it gets you.
	Good ways or bad ways.
	And one day we just ended up happening.
	I took a plan B too because I was not trying to be like that.
	Like I didn't want a kid with him, but God had much different plans.
	Life finds a way.
	So wait.
	Young, dumb, and dumb.
	That was so good.
	Good job.
	You made a funny Ophelia.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	So, but how soon into like knowing a baby daddy, I guess, how soon into knowing him did you get pregnant?
	Oh, I knew him for like seven years, eight years.
	Well, but you guys hadn't been wait, hold on.
	Because we hooked up.
	Was he friends with your ex?
	No.
	Okay.
	No.
	But you were, okay.
	We were just hooking up off and on, like, just randomly, literally, before the situationship.
	Oh, okay.
	And then after a situation.
	Oh, okay.
	This was a backup guy.
	Wait question.
	Like a recycler?
	Yeah.
	Wait question.
	You can say that.
	So before the five to six year situationship, you had already hooked up with baby daddy.
	Yes.
	And then, but then during the course of situationship, he was completely out of the picture.
	Yes.
	Would you guys talk though?
	No.
	No, because he had like a girlfriend or whatever else.
	I see.
	Gotcha.
	But so then you got back with him sort of or were hanging out with him.
	How soon into the second time hanging out with him, reconnecting, did you get pregnant?
	Like two months.
	Two months in.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like that's when you knew you were pregnant or when you think you got pregnant?
	Because doesn't it take a couple weeks, like six to eight?
	Six to eight before you started pregnant.
	I could count to the to the time that it happened when I got pregnant, like a month into it happened or after it happened, I already knew I was pregnant because I was just so regular and I have an app and stuff like that.
	So I knew exactly the day that it happened.
	And that day that you got pregnant was two months in.
	Yeah, about two months.
	And how soon after the end of the situationship did you reconnect with baby daddy?
	Right away or like a month.
	So yeah, kind of right away.
	Okay, so about two to three months after the end of five to six year situationship, pregnant with friends with benefits, guy.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now, did he want to have the kid?
	He didn't, and I actually gave him the option to not to like sign his rights away because I, while I do believe in abortion, I knew that God gave the baby to me for a reason.
	You know, I needed love that I didn't have and I never got as a child.
	So I wanted to keep it for myself.
	And the whole nine, ten months of pregnancy, even up to actually right after I had birth, I gave him the option, you can sign your rights away.
	You don't need to do this.
	I don't want anything from you.
	If you want to be a part of it, be a part of it.
	Okay.
	So did he sign his rights away or is he in the picture?
	No, he's in the picture.
	He's an active father and he does what he can.
	Does he pay you child support?
	He doesn't pay me.
	He pays the babysitter.
	Oh, he just pays the babysitter.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm full-time mom.
	Okay.
	Does he, there's no court-mandated childcare.
	No court-mandated.
	No, I don't want to go through the court system.
	I don't want, especially because I know I make more money than him, and after school, I'm going to make more money than him.
	Okay, so he would just get child support from you then.
	And the process is just so expensive to begin with.
	What you end up getting in the end doesn't even make it worth it.
	I don't want the government to tell me when I can and can't have my kid.
	Like, I want to make that decision myself.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And you, but now you're in a relationship.
	You've been in a relationship for one year.
	It's not the baby daddy.
	No.
	Is he like acting as a stepfather or?
	Yes, actually, he is a great stepdad.
	Acts as honestly very present.
	And my son loves him.
	Loves him.
	Okay.
	Did you find it difficult dating having a kid and being a single mom?
	Yes, because I was worried about bringing people into the situation or around my son, especially.
	And you don't know people.
	You don't know how they are.
	But it just, honestly, it worked out.
	Everything worked out the way that it was supposed to.
	I'm very lucky because I know it doesn't happen like that.
	And the kid, I don't know.
	I'm just curious.
	Has it presented?
	Because I looked at your Instagram.
	Mixed race baby?
	Yes, he is.
	Has that ever been an issue for any people?
	Any people?
	Honestly, no.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's everybody's relationship status.
	We have a chat here from Epirus.
	Kick her off, please.
	Your podcast is way above this.
	She is pathetic.
	Thank you, Epirus.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you for that.
	We'll see what the rest of the show holds, but it's probably coming.
	All right.
	She already got the yellow card.
	So, all right.
	We're gonna just get right into.
	Actually, I need to get up here in just a moment.
	Pasty, are you in the chat?
	Are you in the chat, Pasty?
	I need to shout pasty out here.
	Let me see if he's in the chat.
	Hey, yo, pasty, are you in the chat?
	Hey, Pasty George.
	Is this the Canadian?
	I want to see if I'm.
	Yeah, I want to make sure.
	Oh, he's here.
	Yo, Pasty, you want me to do the unbox now, or should we save it?
	Just write in the chat, Pasty.
	You want me to unbox now or later?
	Just write in the chat.
	It's fine.
	I'm looking at it.
	Oh.
	I want to see that card.
	Pasty, Pasty George.
	Oh, we can't see.
	It's up to you, yo.
	I'll do it in a little bit.
	I'll do it in a little bit.
	But Pasty George, I'll just say this, guys.
	So I don't know.
	Those of you who might not know this, it's episode three.
	I just started something called Whatever Wednesday.
	And then I just, it's not as long typically as the dating talks, but I just sit down.
	It's not a panel.
	And last week I had Felicity.
	The week before I had Cinna.
	Sina?
	Cina?
	Cinna?
	And it's just kind of like reacting to shit on stream, chatting with you guys.
	It's a little more chill.
	Whatever Wednesday is afternoons.
	Pasty George, though, showed a lot of support on Wednesday.
	So I got a little present for myself.
	Hold on.
	It was kind of like, where is it?
	One sec.
	Congrats to me, boy!
	Congrats to me.
	Grats me.
	Thank you, Pasty George, man.
	You're a legend.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to get into some of the pre-show notes here in just a sec.
	You know what, though?
	I do need to get up momentarily.
	So, Felicity, what I'm going to have you do is ask this one and then this one, and I should be back.
	One sec, guys.
	I'll be right back.
	Hi. Hi.
	Where is it?
	It's right there.
	Oh, sorry.
	Bright green.
	I'm used to it being under.
	Okay, guys, I have a question.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband starting with you?
	I said $96,000.
	Okay, what about you?
	I said like six figures, like $100,000.
	Okay, what about you?
	I put $75,000.
	What about you?
	I put $10 million.
	Oh, my God.
	Why?
	Well, because like rich daddy things, like, I don't want no brokey absorbing my energy.
	So I said 10 million.
	That sounds like a, in this generation, 18-year-olds are making 10 million.
	So I don't see why this dude can't make 10 million.
	How many 18-year-olds are?
	Can you name at least two that are 18 years old that you actually know?
	Where do you live?
	Crypto Boys.
	Okay.
	Where do I live?
	I live in Los Angeles.
	Okay.
	In West Hollywood.
	You said Crypto Men?
	Yeah, the Crypto Boys.
	They've been making hell of a shit.
	How old are they?
	Yeah.
	Probably like 18, like 24.
	I'm saying probably.
	Do you know two 18-year-old crypto boys that make $10 million?
	Yeah, that one kid, Malum, he made like, what, like $300 million off of crypto?
	Like in a year.
	He did.
	He made that in like in a year.
	Do you know?
	Well, he did scam.
	That's like really rare.
	Really, really rare.
	Well, I think that's like top 1%.
	You interact with them?
	Yeah.
	I've seen some of their like little crypto schemes.
	I don't know.
	It seems cool.
	Like, dated any of them?
	Like, one of them, yeah.
	They're like, did you date, date, or did you just like?
	We just like casually date it, like, culturally.
	Culturally, culturally, like hookup culturally date it.
	Okay.
	So you just like had sex with them.
	Yeah, we just like braised each other.
	Oh yeah, you guys are gonna get married.
	He didn't me?
	No, no, no.
	You don't make 10 million.
	Yeah, I do not.
	Maybe you do.
	You're just not telling us.
	I mean, the bop house girls, what Sophie Rain made like $56 million in like the span of a year.
	Like, what?
	It's totally dual.
	She's what, like 18, 20?
	Mind you, like, these people are super rare.
	Super, super, super rare.
	There's Sophie Rain.
	There's only one Sophie Rain.
	Like, you don't see, it's not very common to see like OnlyFans girls making like millions and millions and millions.
	Like Sophie Rain level.
	I mean, there are pretty successful OnlyFans women, but you said for a man.
	Which is a lot.
	They don't really do OnlyFans.
	Well, like, no, I don't do OnlyFans.
	Oh.
	What do you do?
	This.
	I'm just like Brian's bodyguard.
	Oh, cool.
	That's cute.
	I love that.
	Kidding.
	It's 10 million.
	But do you understand that net worth is not equal to like yearly salary?
	But what about like, okay, actors make like 10, 20 million.
	So it's like, what if I fumble into an actor?
	I don't think many people.
	I mean, let's say Mia Khalifa, for example.
	Mia Khalifa is probably making around that.
	And she's like dating A-list actors.
	So it is.
	And she's also slightly canceled.
	Well, Mia Khalifa's really famous.
	Yeah.
	I mean, she did do porn, you're right.
	But like.
	I just think it's possible.
	If it's been done, why can't another person fall in that if they really want that drive and ambition?
	Does Mia Khalifa marry?
	No, I don't think so.
	She's also like lost like so much money in brand deals after.
	She also stopped doing porn.
	Yeah.
	But like you understand that like net worth is not equal to yearly income.
	Do you know what that is?
	Like yearly income.
	So like yearly income is like how much you make in a year.
	Let's say you invest in a bunch of properties and you're bringing in that from multiple sources of income and you bring it in that number yearly.
	Like it's doable.
	Like I don't know why.
	No, I'm saying like that point that it's a lot harder than you think.
	You can make.
	You asked a question.
	I just answered what I thought would be my number.
	10 million is quite a bit.
	Well I can say it's 10 million.
	This shit's fake anyways.
	You can just say 10 million.
	Do you think you're a $10 million woman?
	I do.
	Do you think you are?
	She didn't say anything.
	I didn't say that I was, but I don't think that a man that makes $10 million would want a woman that has busted it wide open on the internet and come to marry her.
	I mean there is somebody for everyone considering you like got manipulated and like cheated on.
	I think there's somebody for everyone.
	Getting manipulated and cheated on is besides the factor you came in here bragging about being 16 and lying about it and saying you did porn.
	I also see the problem.
	I might have gotten manipulated and cheated on, but I also have a man that is way above your caliber and would never date somebody like you.
	And I am the happiest I've ever been in my life and I'm comfortable in my own skin that I don't have to bust it wide open on the internet for thousands or millions of people to see and possibly your future children, which let's hope you don't procreate.
	I hope my future children see busting it open on the internet.
	I think that's empowering.
	I think that's empowering.
	No, I genuinely think that's empowering.
	How will that empower yourself?
	But like back to the question, like do you understand the difference between net worth and salary?
	No.
	Well, net worth is like how much you're worth and then yearly is like what you're bringing in.
	So I do understand it.
	I do understand.
	But you still pick.
	10 million, period.
	Next question.
	Okay.
	She's ready, guys.
	I would like someone to have a yearly salary that exceeds what I've earned myself.
	So $350,000 to $500,000.
	Dang, girl.
	That's how much you make?
	Well, I used to, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Um, like 70 to 80,000.
	Okay.
	100.
	Okay.
	Um, I said 80,000, but actually I also wouldn't mind being the breadwinner.
	Oh, I dropped something.
	Um, I like going to work, but I like being a mom too.
	So if I had somebody that wanted to be a stay-at-home dad and was willing to do that, and he still provides for me and takes care of me in other ways and takes care of the household in other ways, then that's fine with me.
	But realistically, in California, you have to be a two-income household.
	You can't be a one-income household unless you're making millions.
	But yeah.
	Honestly, you're all pretty agreeable besides, sorry, 10 mil is no offense.
	Maybe offense.
	I don't know.
	No hard feelings.
	And then 350.
	What do you do?
	So I used to be an online content creator.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I spun that into other businesses, apparel, sales, and whatnot.
	So, okay.
	See, she's an example of self-success.
	She's an entrepreneur and like there's a long story after the fact, though.
	I mean, I didn't do it for very long.
	I didn't do it the same way you did.
	And I have many debts to pay because of it emotionally.
	So, yeah, I did try to do the best I could with it.
	I did run a legitimate business.
	I spun it into, you know, going to DC to meet the president.
	There was a lot that happened.
	She's a president.
	But she's super successful.
	I worked a turning point when there's a long story there, but the way that you're presenting yourself publicly and bragging about being a slut, like your time is limited and the clock is ticking and it's not going to age well.
	And she can talk from first-hand experience.
	900%.
	Secondary.
	I think you're very admirable.
	Oh.
	Me?
	Oh, thank you.
	I just, you know, we all make choices, especially if you're going to go into that industry that you think are empowering you.
	And in some ways, it does.
	But the overall long-term consequences is that you're going to be viewed through a very specific lens for the rest of your life.
	And that is a debt that is very hard to pay.
	So I just want to be a warning to all of you that the money is great.
	And when you're in it, you think that that price is totally worth it.
	But there's a lot that's going to come up in ways that you cannot even imagine that will haunt you.
	So I just, you know, taking the short, fun ride is not worth it long term.
	Maybe some of us just like sucking dick on camera.
	Like, I don't see why that's.
	Next question.
	How tall are you and what is the minimum height of a man you would date starting with you?
	I said five five.
	I'm 5'5 and I also said 5'5 because it's like, I don't know, I wouldn't want like a dude shorter than me because it's weird cuddling a dude with like shorter legs than you.
	You're shaming, but like, you know, if they like.
	Save nights like fine, you know.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, I said the same thing.
	I'm 5'7, so somebody like 5'7 or above.
	Okay, what about you?
	I'm 5'4.
	I dated someone who's like 5'6, 5'7.
	This is a little short.
	So maybe like 5'5.
	5'6.
	Oh, 5'8 ⁇ .
	I think I put 5'7, but.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'2.
	I just sought a guy that's taller than me.
	I just like maybe like 5'9, 6' like skinny Timothy Chalamet boyfriend.
	I'd be down for that.
	But when you say, so when you say taller, you mean like?
	Like, just like taller, because I'm short.
	So it's like a guy that's just like a little bit taller.
	Okay.
	You're 5'2?
	Yeah.
	You want someone 5'9?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, I like short kings.
	That'd be fun, but I don't know.
	How short, how short.
	Maybe like here?
	That'd be cute.
	You would date someone shorter than you?
	Well, maybe, because I can like cradle him like a little baby.
	Be like, come here.
	I can cut him easier.
	I'd be like, okay.
	A midget?
	Yes!
	That would be so cute.
	I would love to date a midget.
	I think that might be offensive.
	I think it's worth it.
	I don't know.
	I think it all depends on each one.
	They all have different categories.
	Yeah, some.
	Yeah, some like it.
	Some don't.
	Yeah.
	A small person.
	I wouldn't mind dating a small person.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Better wording.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm 5'8, but in heels can be up to 6'1.
	So I do like someone taller than me, which can be challenging.
	So, yeah, 6' at least.
	Okay, I get that.
	I feel tall.
	You're very tall young.
	I'm actually only like 5'5 and a half.
	Oh, you don't seem that tall person.
	You're much taller than you.
	You have a long torso.
	Yes, I'm slim and I have a long torso.
	Anyways, not about me.
	I'm 4'9, so honestly, it's kind of easier to be tall.
	It doesn't take much to be tall.
	She's like 5'2 as tall.
	Yeah, so I, yeah, I would just date someone.
	I was, I'm, I am attracted to like taller guys, but I would date Antwerp.
	All guys.
	Which is all guys.
	Technically, all guys, yes.
	Have you noticed the trend that super tall men love really short women?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I have a friend that's 4'9 dated someone that's 6'4.
	And they loved it.
	I have so many questions.
	Yeah.
	Yes, 6'5.
	It's probably like a fetish.
	Like they're into super.
	It actually, it wasn't a fetish.
	They kind of just like met and hit it off.
	I have logistics questions.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	So you would date someone like five feet?
	I guess.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Four inches taller than me.
	To be honest, my ex, he was like 5'4, but he was still like half a foot taller than me.
	Yeah.
	So it was, I don't know.
	Short, short queens.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay, next.
	I am 5'4 or 5'5.
	We're kind of, it just depends on the day.
	And I don't know, like 5'10 and up.
	I know, I'm gonna be honest.
	I'm not really a big fan of someone shorter than me or same height.
	But you know what?
	Maybe you never know.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I'm 5'4, and I said 5'8 just because if I don't wear heels anymore, but if I did, I at least want to have you a little bit taller than me.
	Just a little bit.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What years were World War I?
	1910 to 1918 to 1940?
	I don't know.
	1918 to 1910.
	Maybe 1920.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	You should have everyone go back.
	14 to 1918.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	14 to 18.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	What was the question?
	What years were World War I?
	I don't know.
	Probably like the 1600s.
	Pearl, come on.
	You were so close.
	So close.
	Oh, if it's just like the 1700s?
	No.
	Did you drop out of school?
	Well, see, that's a serious question.
	Well, see, I'm Native American, so like.
	I don't remember that.
	So like my people got colonized, so I technically got colonized.
	So I'm just trying to think, like, wasn't World War II or near like when Christopher Columbus was colonizing guys?
	No, World War I. One.
	Not two.
	And I don't really care about the war.
	I'm not going to lie.
	It's kind of overrated.
	Overrated.
	It's overrated.
	So many lives were lost.
	Oh, wait.
	Yeah, but I forgot who we're talking about.
	Honestly, I unfortunately didn't pay attention to history class.
	Yeah.
	I really didn't.
	So final answer is 1600s.
	How long?
	Like, how many years do you think it was?
	Like, it was like five years.
	Okay, next.
	It's been a long time since I learned that.
	I'm going to say 1912.
	Okay, next.
	19, I think it stood in 1912 to 1914.
	Next.
	1914 to 1918.
	Next.
	I think like 1918 to 1922.
	So the answer is 1914 to 1918.
	What about World War II?
	Pass?
	You have to guess.
	In the 1940s.
	Okay.
	Next.
	1930s to 40s.
	Next.
	39 to 45.
	Next.
	Come on.
	You got me.
	Well, it's everyone saying the 1940s.
	Maybe it's like 1960s.
	Okay.
	Next.
	40 to 45.
	Next.
	Somewhere in the 1930s to 1940s.
	Should I go?
	Oh.
	1939 to 1945.
	42 to 46.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	Good job, guys.
	I was listening to all those answers.
	He's back.
	Really stunning work.
	We're going to get into some.
	One of you had specific criticisms for me that we're going to get into here in just a moment.
	But from what I was listening to, I wanted to just touch on it very quickly.
	Okay.
	Same as I.
	Okay.
	10 million for you.
	Make it rain, baby.
	Come on.
	Okay.
	Yeah, you'd probably be lucky to date a McDonald's worker.
	And then for you, $350,000 to $500,000.
	Okay.
	How much do you make currently?
	I've been a housewife, and he made well over a million dollars a year.
	Okay.
	So $350,000, that's the bare minimum.
	You know, it's circumstantial.
	It's not the bare minimum.
	I mean, if I meet the love of my life, I'll take a lot less.
	But, you know, in general, that would be a preference to have someone that has reached a certain financial status that I've already experienced on my own and a certain standard of living that I become accustomed to, yes.
	And when you were making good money, how much were you making?
	At the height, probably $70,000 to $100,000 a month.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	But is that, do you have savings or is that all gone?
	Well, I had plenty of savings when I met my husband.
	So I do not have that anymore that went into our lifestyle, our businesses and whatnot.
	Okay.
	I mean, you don't have any stocks or like anything?
	I have crypto and whatnot, XRP.
	So yes, but we're all battling this through the divorce right now.
	Okay, so he's going to get something in the divorce element.
	He was, no, well, he, again, I'm going to get something out of this.
	We're splitting things.
	Better not have signed a prenup.
	We didn't sign a prenup.
	And when I met him, I didn't know, I didn't think he even had a job when I met him.
	But he was in cannabis, and it was very successful.
	We lived a very comfortable lifestyle.
	I had 22 carats of diamonds on my finger.
	So we'll see.
	Cannabis is really lucrative out here.
	I mean, everyone the lost, you know, certain things, they flooded the whole system with a lot of different licenses and gave everyone a permit to grow.
	And it became very expensive to grow, more so to produce it than to sell it.
	She was also a part of Turning Point.
	I didn't make money with Turning Point, but I did sell my maggot hats.
	So.
	You're a Trumpy.
	Does it matter?
	No, I wasn't say that's hot.
	Oh.
	We love a woman who stands in her politics.
	I did.
	I did.
	My experience at Turning Point was interesting.
	You're honestly really cool.
	Like, aside from all the troll content, you're actually really cool.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	Let me see who else.
	300 or 10 mil, 350 to 500, 80,000 for you, 100,000 for you, 80K for you.
	All right.
	Would any of you consider, well, I mean, you say bare minimum.
	You guys all say minimum.
	Sounds like you wouldn't settle for less.
	Maybe we'll get into the salary stuff a little bit later.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to just dive in to the criticisms.
	I apologize, guys, that I step away for a moment.
	So let's see.
	Where do we begin?
	We're going to start.
	One sec, guys.
	Oh, really quick.
	I just wanted to ask.
	We've had Charlie Kirk on the show.
	Quick question.
	How do you guys, I know it happened like it was about a month ago at this point.
	Do you guys feel like how do you feel about his assassination, starting with you?
	It's terrible that I don't think gun violence should be fought with more gun violence.
	Wait, like, you know, like he was against.
	Sorry.
	I'm like so tired.
	For gun riots.
	I got two hours of sleep.
	I'm not going to lie before the show.
	Bro, I don't know why these fucking.
	No offense.
	I'm going to call you.
	Like you've asked to be on the show, like you willing, you.
	You could have tried to get some sleep before.
	I tried.
	I will.
	Instead, you were out.
	Okay.
	I worked a shift till five in the morning.
	Oh, you were.
	All right.
	Well, your lack of preparation doesn't constitute some obligation for me to relinquish any expectation that you show up to this engagement.
	Like, coherent.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Well, I don't think.
	Why don't you just answer the question, please?
	I don't think.
	Holy fuck, it's like a challenge.
	It should be a political debate.
	I do not think it should be a political debate.
	I don't think a death should be a political debate.
	I agree.
	What do you think about his assassination justified?
	Well, again, I don't think it should be a political debate.
	People make it a political debate online.
	Okay.
	Do you think it's justified that people were celebrating his death?
	No, no.
	Okay.
	Were you celebrating his death?
	I don't think anyone should celebrate any death.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Obviously, I don't think that it should be celebrated, but for me, it's just kind of like indifferent.
	Like, yes, it is sad as any gun violence is.
	Indifferent.
	Okay.
	Do you think justified, though, the assassination?
	No.
	What about people who are celebrating?
	Do you think you can understand why?
	Or do you abhor that?
	I don't think it should be celebrated, but I mean, people are just kind of saying, like, from what I've heard, that, like, he was for, you know, he said that, like, sorry.
	That, like, there should be deaths every year.
	Like, you know, he was not for gun violence.
	He was for the Second Amendment right, which is to bear arms.
	He was not for going out and senselessly killing people.
	Well, yeah, obviously.
	Well, and so consequentially, that would entail that conceivably there could, by granting people the Second Amendment right, a consequence of that, consequentially, there would be deaths in the same way that we let people drive, but a consequence of that is there's, what is it, 50,000 car deaths per year.
	I don't know if it, anybody have the exact numbers.
	There's car deaths a year, injuries all the time, but people can still own cars, people can buy cars, people can drive, right?
	So that's essentially his argument.
	What do you think?
	Quick answers on this if you can.
	Oh, man.
	I think it was awful.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What do you think?
	I didn't know who Trelli Kirk was.
	I thought he was an actor who played in SpongeBob Musical until I Googled him.
	And that's kind of it.
	I was like, damn.
	But also, I don't think celebrating his death is like that should be celebrated.
	But also, I don't agree with gun violence.
	But also, like, that goes to show that we don't actually have as much freedom of speech as we think we do.
	Because if we did, then he would still be here.
	What do you think?
	I think it's a huge loss for our entire generation.
	He was one of the most brilliant minds to have existed.
	I thought it was awful.
	Horrifying.
	I don't agree with it.
	I think that it's terrible that you get gunned down for what you say.
	All right.
	Somebody got some merch.
	Looks like you bought a hoodie and a t-shirt.
	Thank you, whoever that was.
	Thank you.
	Shopped out whatever.com if you want to get yourself something.
	Okay.
	I need somebody to be a reader.
	Can you read for me?
	Can you see the I'm not that old?
	How much do you want your man to make as a garbage man?
	I take home just above $100,000 a year.
	Is that enough for you, knowing I smell like garbage every day and you have to do my laundry?
	So take home, that's what, like $60,000, $50,000.
	Taxes out here are insane.
	You're really selling yourself with the garbage.
	For everybody here who wants a guy who makes $100,000 or more, would you date a guy?
	You know what?
	I'll make it a little flowery.
	Who's in the waste management business?
	Like Tony Soprano?
	Tony Soprano.
	No, like actually a garbage man.
	Okay, so that's the best.
	I mean, telling me that you're going to smell like garbage and I have to do your laundry, I'm going to say no.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm not doing that.
	I'm.
	No.
	I'll take it situationally.
	Situational.
	All right.
	Okay.
	And then we have.
	I'm going to have Claire.
	You're going to read this one.
	I like chair five, but requiring 350k at age 43 is pretty unreasonable.
	You're not trying to get that guy.
	I make that much, and none of my peers are going to be enough for you at that age.
	Your response?
	I'm sorry.
	She apologizes.
	Yeah.
	Maybe it's a little bit like this.
	I'd like to take this chance to apologize to absolutely nobody.
	All right.
	Okay, let's get into.
	Hold on.
	Rachel.
	Uh-oh.
	You said generally, overall, you like Brian, though there's no chance in all hell you would ever bow for a man.
	That's true.
	You think it's degrading.
	I do.
	And it's disgusting and weird that anyone would want that.
	So disgusting and weird that I would want.
	So I'm disgusting and weird.
	Let's dive into that, though.
	Great.
	So first, tell me, let me just see.
	Well, you're currently married, right?
	Yes.
	If your husband, tomorrow, I hope he's watching because I'm going to tell him that he's now going to demand that you bow for him.
	He's also Japanese, so he's going to be aware of that.
	Oh, well, he definitely should.
	He definitely got to get on that shit.
	Part Japanese.
	He watches this show.
	He becomes a big fan.
	And he's like, you know what?
	Brian's on.
	He's on to something with the whole the bow thing.
	You go home after this podcast to your husband.
	And he's like, you know what?
	I was watching the podcast.
	Brian makes a lot of sense.
	And he asks you from now on to bow.
	Are you divorcing him?
	No, I just won't do it.
	You won't do it?
	Are you Christian?
	No.
	Oh, right.
	That's right.
	You're not.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	All right.
	Okay.
	There's no circumstance under which you would bow?
	No.
	No.
	What if your husband said?
	What if your husband said, if you don't do this, I'm divorcing you?
	Not saying that you should do that, but would you do it then?
	Like, it's that much of a deal breaker.
	No, I would not.
	So it's demeaning no matter what the circumstance?
	Like if my I don't know that it's demeaning, especially because it's like part of the maybe, well, he's not, he did not grow up in Japan.
	He's only part Japanese.
	So it is like part of that culture.
	It's not part of our culture.
	So why?
	I mean, if I'm married to a man, I want to please him.
	I want to make him happy and I want him to do the same for me.
	So if I asked him to bow because I enjoyed it and it made me happy and we could have a laugh, I would hope that he would say yes to that.
	Can I make him happy in a thousand other ways?
	Sure.
	But if that's what their particular request is, I just, I don't, I don't think it's hurting anyone.
	I'm not saying you're wrong for your answer.
	Just question.
	Just curious.
	I did already ask him, and he said if I did it, he'd laugh in my face.
	Well, yeah, I understand the bow thing seems, at least in American culture, seems a little out of place, especially as a pale white man asking for it.
	Although it's not like, to me, it's not like trying to appropriate what I'm doing.
	I'm not like trying to be Japanese or some shit.
	However, it is an interesting tell on, I think it's like a great temperature check for how that relationship's going to go.
	But before I get into my position as to why I'm for it, I'd like to understand your position a little bit better.
	So you say it's degrading.
	You say it is, hold on, I got to find the notes again.
	You say it's degrading, disgusting, and weird.
	I did say that.
	Yeah, perhaps I would grant that it's weird insofar as it's uncommon in that way.
	How's it degrading, though?
	Because why do you want me to bow to you?
	Like, am I your servant?
	Do I serve you?
	I do sort of do a lot of stuff.
	But if he asked me to do anything else, he calls me, can you make dinner?
	Can you do laundry?
	Can you make sure that my socks are ready for work?
	Whatever.
	I will do it.
	Well, I don't understand the bow.
	I won't do it.
	Okay.
	I'm definitely not the only person.
	Sure, a lot of people seem a little bamboozled a little by.
	I don't know why you would want it.
	Yeah, I'll explain it in just a bit.
	But what about it?
	That would be funny.
	Removing the intention or motivation behind the person who wants it.
	What in and of itself, like doing the actual action itself, what is disgusting about it?
	Disgusting might be a not good word to use.
	I was just like, degrading and disgusting.
	Okay, well, how's it degrading in and of itself?
	Because I don't, there's no purpose at all other than that you want me to bow to you.
	There's no other purpose.
	Okay.
	And okay, let me ask you this.
	Do you believe in chivalry?
	Yeah.
	What purpose does chivalry serve?
	I don't know.
	Just but women quite frequently want men to act in a chivalrous way.
	They want men to be chivalrous.
	For example, would you want a man or would you at least acknowledge that it is under the purview of chivalry for a man to open a woman's car door?
	Sure.
	Why?
	Women expect that, but while women are not as physically strong as men, women have the physical capacity to open a car door.
	They can do it.
	It requires more effort for the man to do it.
	He has to walk out, you know, get out of the car.
	I mean, it depends the circumstances.
	Either he's already outside the car, has to open the car, go around the car.
	Why should a man do that?
	Well, I don't expect that, but I do think it's nice.
	And I think it's nice for a woman to bow.
	But there's other forms of chivalry where there's much higher expectation.
	I almost think we should maybe watch the bow video just to show the guests here.
	Maybe some aren't familiar.
	Why don't we pull up the bow video just to give people context?
	Oh, it's your ex-girlfriend.
	Yeah, this is a video.
	I do this because it's like a tutorial, an instruction manual for future girlfriends.
	Instead of having to explain it, it's just, I feel like it's helpful to give women a visual aid.
	Show them a video, you know, that way they know.
	Like a, you know, so I took this video so I could show future girlfriends expectations.
	I recorded this after a long day doing a podcast.
	Go ahead and play it.
	Huge bow.
	Great depth, submissive hand posture.
	Love to see it.
	And of course, you know, I getting my laundry.
	Yep.
	And then my dinner's ready.
	Gotta love that.
	Dinner's ready, unprompted.
	Don't have to ask.
	Ready to go.
	Cracks open a beer for me.
	I don't even drink beer, but I just have it there anyways.
	I dumped her, though, for the, you see that in the corner right corner, there's like those tomatoes.
	That's disgusting.
	I had to dump her because of that.
	Absolutely ridiculous.
	Play the bow one more time.
	Huge bow.
	This is expectation.
	I get home.
	I'm handling everything, by the way.
	She's not working.
	I'm handling all the finances.
	I just want to bow when I get home.
	What the fuck?
	I'm at home fucking.
	I'm not the only one.
	That's fine.
	Nick, do you remember those memes of like, yes, I, oh, wait, where would it be?
	Why would anyone bow to a man?
	It's going to be in the Discord, Nick.
	Why would a woman bow to a man?
	Where is it?
	Hold on.
	I'm trying to find out.
	Well, I would bow for my man because he stepped up, first of all, to be a father to a child that is not his.
	He provides for me in ways that other men have never.
	And if it makes them happy and that's something that he wants, then yeah, why not?
	It's just like cooking dinner for him.
	It's yes, you are all wrong.
	Do you feel like you're lesser than him?
	It's like forcing the top of the middle.
	You have to being lesser.
	He will even tell you that he is my equal.
	Will he bow?
	He would.
	He probably would.
	That's cool.
	If a dude bowed to me, I would be gross.
	I don't want him to.
	I'm so.
	But just like if you were to open my door for me, because that's chivalrous, I would bow for him.
	Tab over to the other one.
	I don't know.
	I think I'm.
	No, I'm not.
	I really would.
	We already have a chance.
	Yes, you are all wrong.
	Tab over to the other one.
	I think I'm going to.
	No, just, yeah, that one.
	Yes, you're all.
	That's me.
	I don't care if a million people think this is silly or whatever.
	Don't care.
	I'm willing to stand up for what I believe in.
	So, Yeah, my position is simply if I'm going to be hustling to the point that this woman I'm with never has to work ever and I'm taking care of everything financially, everything is taken care of for her, then my expectation is yes.
	Yeah, I'm honestly like too gooned out to say nothing.
	I feel like the thing that comes to my mind about the bowing is like that Asian girl is kind of hot and I low-key just like would want to see her like squirt those cherry tomatoes out her vagina into her man's mouth.
	What does gooned out mean?
	Okay.
	So that is what I would expect that from like my other.
	Does that make sense?
	Vulgar lady.
	Gooi, can we not cuss on this?
	No, it's just like this is a non-cussing thing.
	No, you don't have to cuss to something that was the vulgar sex.
	Talking about putting tomatoes in the giant.
	What the fuck, dude?
	Well, that's a real woman, though.
	I'm going to figure it.
	I'm going to get to my point and then I'm going to address you.
	So back to this.
	Go ahead.
	Anything else, almost anything else, I do not want to bow.
	Why not?
	But can I ask you a question?
	You acknowledge it takes, it's completely benign.
	Like the actual, it takes no effort.
	Maybe that's why.
	But it takes no effort, right?
	No effort.
	Is there anything in terms of chivalry that men should do?
	Should men pay for dates?
	Sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	You're currently married.
	Is your husband the breadwinner?
	Nope.
	Okay, does he pay for dates?
	We pay for dates together.
	We make about 10 years.
	When you guys first met, would he pay for dates?
	We didn't really go on dates, actually.
	We just hung out.
	Never ordered food.
	Never.
	We probably split it.
	Like, probably sometimes him, sometimes me.
	All right.
	Have you ever, with other men you've dated, have you ever had the experience that typically they tend to pay for dates?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And would you acknowledge that while your situation might be unique, I would argue overwhelmingly the majority of women, whether they're conservative or even liberal, even feminist, do typically have an expectation or at least strongly prefer men to pay for dates?
	Can I make a comment about that?
	Well, answer my question first.
	Yes.
	Then make your comment.
	Definitely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think most women do.
	Right.
	Now, and I know lots of people say the person who initiated the date should be the person who pays.
	But generally, who asks who on a date?
	Generally, it's going to be the guy.
	But if you say, will you go on a date with me to this really expensive restaurant?
	And I say yes, that is not something I was planning to pay for until you asked me.
	So what if I don't $200 to go on the date you asked me on the date?
	It's not something I'm like budgeting for.
	You asked me.
	Yeah, I totally agree with you.
	That's irrelevant, though.
	How?
	I'm just saying, if you're then you.
	Yeah, so I would agree with you if you're like a 30-year-old going out with a 21-year-old and you're going to go take her to Nobu or some really expensive restaurant.
	Yeah, you should pay for it.
	If you're of comparable ages, well, look, actually, I think generally speaking, men should pay across the board.
	It's just like the most, even though I can make like a bird's eye view analysis of like, yeah, that's inequality.
	Men, for the most optimum chess move on the dating board, you should just pay as a guy.
	That's the most optimum move.
	But my point would be to this idea that, okay, well, men are overwhelmingly the askers, right?
	So, this idea that whoever asks should pay conveniently does ignore that women really don't take that level of initiative, generally speaking.
	Now, that's not to say some women shoot their shot, some women will ask the guy out.
	Really rare.
	So, it's kind of like this whole whoever asks should pay thing.
	I would agree with that sentiment if it was the case that men and women asked each other out at comparable rates.
	If it was like 50-50 or 40-60, then I'd be like, Yeah, you know what?
	Whoever asked should pay.
	But it just conveniently ignores this really obvious thing that women don't shoot their shot.
	Women don't ask, don't generally don't ask men out for first dates.
	And you might say, Well, I was dating this guy for three months and I asked him, Well, okay, talking about like first, second, third dates.
	Women overwhelmingly are not initiators.
	I don't think that's true.
	100% true.
	100% true.
	I think statistically it's true, but yeah, there are women that will ask, you know, guys out.
	But if we look at like women, like men are going to ask women out more.
	Tell me what is.
	Has anyone here asked a man out of share?
	Oh my God.
	I made it so clear that he's talking about women.
	Oh my God.
	Holy shit.
	generally if we all have then how is it rare statistically like that's like yeah no I love that.
	Here's what we do.
	Women in a row.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter.
	It wouldn't matter if every single one of you have had an experience where one time you asked the guy out and you paid for the date.
	We would then have to say, of all the dates you've ever been on, if the breakdown is 90% of the time the guy pays and 10% of the time you pay, my point would still stand.
	Does that make sense?
	You're doing a...
	How...
	What?
	Oh, my God, bro.
	What?
	Just because we've done it once doesn't mean that makes it the majority of time.
	My point was not, there's never in the history of the world has a woman ever asked a guy out.
	That wasn't my position.
	My position is overwhelmingly, generally speaking, women don't initiate.
	And I would put that number at probably, I'm almost being generous, 90%.
	90% of the time is probably higher.
	90% of the time, the guy's the one asking.
	The guy's doing the initiative.
	The guy's going to pay.
	Is this counter to your own experiences?
	No, no.
	I mean, not really.
	Like, I guess.
	You've been on how many first dates?
	A lot.
	How many?
	Like probably more than 50.
	Okay.
	And then of the 50 first dates, by the way, not like you've been dating a guy for three years and you guys went to dinner.
	Yeah.
	50 first dates.
	How many of those did you initiate?
	I don't know.
	Maybe like 20%.
	I guess.
	Yeah, I guess you're right then, like 10 or 20%.
	So you're, I mean, you're reinforcing my point.
	Yeah.
	No, I get it.
	I guess I just said from the dates.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Who paid for those dates?
	Honestly, I'm a 50-50 girl.
	Sometimes, like, I'll make the guy pay if I'm not that into him.
	But, like, but you make the guy pay if you're not into him?
	Yeah.
	That's interesting.
	Usually I hear the reverse.
	I hear if the girl's not feeling it, she'll want it to be 50-50, but okay.
	Well, because then it's just a waste of my money if I wasn't in.
	Right.
	But again, I'm a bit confused.
	So even in, here's my confusion.
	Even in your own experience, you would say 20% of the time the guy initiates.
	No, no, opposite.
	Sorry, yeah, I mixed up my words.
	20% of the time you initiate.
	80% of the time, the guy initiates.
	Yeah.
	So wouldn't that bolster my position that women don't initiate?
	I mean, I guess, but I think like generally women have initiated the first day, but I guess overall, like.
	Yeah, I don't dispute that whatsoever.
	It absolutely is the case that women do initiate.
	Yeah, yeah, I think it's a lot of people.
	But what I'm talking about is like, I think it's probably 9010.
	I don't know if it's rare.
	I feel like all women have at least once, though.
	So they just want free food.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, have, sorry, women all have one what?
	They all have at least once, like, initiated the first date.
	Right, but if they've been on 100 dates and one time they initiated, that means 99% of the time.
	And in this case, I've had many women on the show who said, I've never initiated.
	Never once.
	Never once.
	Anybody else?
	Never.
	Anybody?
	Okay.
	Let's get back to the bow thing here.
	Oh, hold on.
	Pasty George.
	I apologize.
	My bad.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Chair one.
	Why should a woman vote to a man?
	You say.
	Well, why should a man vote to a woman when proposing to her for marriage?
	Is that standard practice?
	Because I haven't heard of that.
	Yeah, like getting down on one knee, but that's not bowing.
	I kind of think.
	I think he meant the getting down on one knee thing.
	That's easy to do.
	Yeah.
	That is a good point.
	That's a good point.
	That's a really good point.
	Yeah, but this happens one time.
	Twice.
	But the bow every single day you propose to order.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I would actually, here's my argumentation here.
	So if the expectation is the guy should pay on the first date, right?
	He pays for the whole bill.
	And let's say it's not a super expensive place.
	Let's say $100 total for the date.
	And that could be, I think that's pretty reasonable.
	That might even be a little bit on the, slightly on the low end, even.
	That's like chilies.
	You'll pay $100 at Chili's for two people.
	Not exactly like the most romantic.
	It's $100 at Chili's is a lot.
	It's no ottoman.
	No, I don't want to do it.
	I don't know a dude.
	No, I don't know.
	I have a lot of octails.
	Like $40.
	Appetizers, two drinks, main course, dessert.
	Coupon?
	Tip.
	You're getting to $100.
	I mean, they got some.
	They're in Yogurt Land now.
	They got some deals.
	But like my thought process here, let's say a guy makes $20 an hour.
	$20 an hour.
	In order for him to take you on that date, he has to work five hours.
	Well, that's before 10, whatever.
	Let's say he just makes 20 bucks an hour.
	We're not going to complicate things with tax.
	He has to work five hours to take you on the date.
	Now, you might say, well, hold on.
	Half of it is for him.
	So that would be two and a half hours, right?
	50 bucks for you, 50 bucks for him.
	He has to work two and a half hours.
	If a woman bows every single time, that takes three seconds.
	That's like equal to one, like total time.
	If we're doing the math here, total time.
	That's like one date, maybe over a lifetime.
	If she's bowing to me every single day for like 70 years or well, 50, 40, 50, whatever.
	However many, I don't know how I might die.
	Who knows when I'm, whatever.
	Who knows how long I'm going to live?
	Kind of like, and I'm going to be taking her on all these dates and when we're together, when she has kids, she's never going to have to work.
	I'll take care of everything.
	But what if I don't want you to take care of everything?
	I like working.
	Well look, there is a financial and economic reality that there are men and women out there who, while the man isn't going to earn a high enough income for that, and maybe you're going to have more of a 50-50 relationship.
	But there are a lot of men who are going to want to be sole breadwinners, who do want to take on more of a leadership role in the relationship.
	Also, even this idea that if you both are financially providing for the relationship, and perhaps that is the financial and economic reality for the vast majority of people, you're still going to look to your man, I assume, to adhere to certain traditional gender roles.
	Like, you're going to want a man who's a leader, who's decisive, who's masculine.
	Like, I hear this complaint even from liberal progressive women.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, you know, he just asks me, I ask him what about dinner?
	And he's like, oh, whatever you want, babe.
	You pick.
	And some women are okay with that, I guess.
	But a lot of women are like, I'd prefer a guy who's like, no, we're going here.
	Be ready at 7 p.m.
	Wear this.
	I'm picking up.
	Some women want that, right?
	So I would argue, even if you guys are both financially contributing equally, even in those relationships, you're still going to look to your boyfriend or husband to act in a certain way that is more within a masculine traditional gender role.
	But I still act in a pretty consistent gender role as well.
	Like I stay home with the kids every single day.
	I take my daughter to school.
	I make dinner.
	Like I do pretty much fall into, like I'd say, gender roles are a good fallback, but they don't always have to be this exact thing.
	Like exact.
	Like maybe some things.
	So like what?
	What's negotiable?
	Like my husband helps me with the laundry and the dishes.
	Generally would probably say, generally as a gender role.
	You'd probably say the woman's doing the dishes and laundry.
	But he always helps me every day.
	Yeah, my ex did that too when I lived with him.
	He like did like the shit I didn't want to do, you know?
	Okay, look, I think it's okay for you to, you guys, to want to be 50-50, but like I think you should genuinely be 50-50 in all dimensions, at least attempt to in all dimensions in all realms.
	I don't see women abandoning the benefits of more traditional or the benefits of gender expectations and gender role dynamics.
	So for example, when it comes to initiative, even like hyper-progressive liberal women who want to be like boss babe 50-50 career women still probably going to look for the man to take initiative.
	Why aren't we having this push for women to take a more proactive approach to dating?
	Why don't women shoot their shot at comparable levels to when there's nothing preventing, there's not a law that prevents women from doing this.
	Women are more free now than at any other point in human history.
	Women have more rights, more freedoms, more everything, more opportunity, more privilege than at any other point in human history.
	Women absolutely can shoot their shot.
	In fact, it's incredibly easy.
	You can even do it online now.
	And sort of having to skate around like a more upfront in-person rejection.
	How many women have shot their shot with you first?
	Do you think?
	Recently, I guess like do a lot not a great example because I'm out there publicly I have this popular podcast.
	But yes, I do get DM'd by women.
	Yeah.
	Would you know what you're saying?
	No, why don't they?
	Yeah, but I think, like, okay, you know, the numbers for people are different.
	You know, like Brad Pitt when he was 30.
	Oh, God.
	You know, all these women coming up to him.
	Let's map on Brad Pitt's experience to the experience of like average men.
	The reality is, I'm in this unique situation where I'm out there in the public.
	But the average guy, women aren't like sliding into his DMs.
	Women aren't doing that.
	But like, I would say that.
	I feel like if you're a good-looking guy, women will just like do that nowadays.
	Some do.
	That's true.
	There's a lot of women.
	But the majority is men, or men have to pursue women for sure.
	But like you're saying that might be the case.
	Why don't they?
	But they do.
	Right, but okay, so what about like average men?
	For example, average, I would argue that in terms of the sexual optionality, if in order to get the same sexual optionality as an average or even below average looking woman, you have to be a top 1% guy.
	Well, what do you mean?
	Oh, yeah.
	So the frequency with which a top 1% guy is going to get DMs or like women approaching him in public is probably like if he is equal to an average or below average looking woman.
	That makes sense, yeah.
	So like the frequency with which even average looking women get approached or hit up in the DMs.
	So you're just calling men dogs, right?
	Because like not necessarily, but do you think men have standards when it comes to women?
	Yes, men do have standards.
	Although there's a differentiation between men who are just trying to have sex with women and then men who want relationships.
	But yes, women are pickier.
	I don't disagree.
	Women are pickier, yeah.
	But like, I still think it depends on the woman's like morals and values in a relationship.
	Like if they genuinely like a guy who's like super insecure and they know that, then they'd probably be like, like they'd at least drop the hint.
	You know what I mean?
	But you don't know if a guy is insecure or like that.
	You can tell if a guy's insecure.
	No, you not every single man.
	Some men carry themselves at a really high until you make it.
	Think of women super easy to tell if a guy's insecure.
	I can speak from experience that some of the most what I thought were confident.
	The coffee house men are hella insecure.
	But I couldn't tell that at first.
	That was a present I got much later.
	Everybody can fake it till they make it.
	Pasty George Donate told me.
	Yo, Pasty, thank you.
	Chair three.
	Based on your answers and replies, I can already tell that your marriage won't last long and that you might be afraid of it.
	Totally wrong.
	My husband's the best person ever.
	R.I.P.O. husband.
	Oh.
	Just for the sake of this conversation, then I think it would be helpful to point one thing out.
	When I'm saying these terms, when I'm saying something like women do X, this is a generalized statement.
	Yeah.
	So when I say women don't initiate, and sometimes I'll even preface it, I'll say generally.
	This isn't to say that women never do it.
	So if I say women don't initiate, that's a general statement.
	For example, hide it because they're going to be distracted.
	If I were to say that humans have 10 fingers, it is the case that some people are born with an extra digit.
	They have an extra finger.
	It's not wrong of me to say that humans have 10 fingers.
	Yeah.
	Now, yes, it is true, but just for the sake of the conversation, I would implore you not to do the, but I know this exception to the rule.
	I'm talking about the general idea here.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Where was I?
	What was I?
	Thank you, Pacey George, for the TTS, man.
	I appreciate it.
	We're finishing up with the bat.
	Does anybody, maybe I can ask this?
	Thank you, Tosh.
	My bestie.
	I guess related to the whole date thing, though, that's kind of where the segue started.
	I actually think women have higher expectations of men.
	No.
	Not in this day and age.
	I think definitely not.
	You want a $10 million man, but you don't have high expectations.
	That's why I want a 10 million man because nowadays guys are just like willingly giving out their money because they're just so gooned out.
	Like RollyFans and Pornhub.
	Men's standards have dropped.
	Like there are, there's no such thing as like, oh, I'm like, wow, you're such a high-value man.
	And you look at his browser history and oh, there I, oh, hi.
	Now I see you.
	That's not his value for marriage, though.
	That's his value for sex work.
	But marriage is also overrated.
	Nobody's getting married in this generation.
	All right, let's stick to the topic, please.
	So the bow.
	What were your bow?
	Will it ever be?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Can I respond to Pacey George from earlier?
	Yeah.
	Well, I disagree.
	We've been friends since 18.
	Like, so we've known each other the majority of our lives and very, very, very, very happy, both of us.
	So I disagree.
	Let me ask you.
	If I say to my husband, bowing seems embarrassing to me, why would he make me do something that's going to embarrass me every day?
	If I'm like, I think it's embarrassing for you to come home and ask me to bow.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, well, obviously there's a difference here because this sort of thing would, for lack of a better word, would typically be negotiated and it wouldn't be negotiated, but it would be established early on in the relationship.
	You guys have been together for eight years.
	Ten.
	Oh, ten.
	Married eight.
	You know, it's kind of like, for example, if you date a woman who's a sex worker and you knowingly you marry her, you kind of signed up for that.
	He's signed up for you.
	This is obviously something that you would want to present early.
	Early on.
	Although there's probably arguments that could be made that.
	Yeah, but why is that a big deal if a woman is a sex worker and a guy wants to date her?
	Being in a marriage, you're already a sex worker.
	So it's like you're just a free sex worker.
	No, it's true.
	You're just a free sex worker.
	So basically all you who are in relationships, you're all sex workers, but you're just getting fucked for free.
	So that's your only download.
	How is a woman in a consensual relationship with a man a sex worker?
	Because she's having sex and she's working.
	She's a sex worker.
	Isn't he a sex worker too?
	You're all sex workers.
	Exactly.
	So you're all sex workers.
	So for you shitting on a sex worker for a guy dating a sex worker, technically marriage, you're also being a sex worker.
	Being in a committed relationship and having intimacy does not make you a sex worker.
	You are a sex worker.
	You're just a free sex worker.
	I'm absolutely rich coming from.
	So under your perspective, nobody can have sex.
	Like anybody who has sex is immediately a sex worker.
	Yes.
	So the two virgins, they have sex.
	They instantly become sex workers.
	Yes.
	By virtue of having sex workers.
	Yes.
	I think it's sad that you can't differentiate the two at this point.
	Yeah.
	Well, you're having sex, so you're going to work, and that's definitely a lot of fun.
	I know you'd like your attention.
	Back to this.
	We're finishing up the conversation about the bow.
	Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I would say, in terms of what women want men to do for them, I think it's way more than the bow.
	But privilege is invisible to those who have it.
	And I would say that a lot of the things that men do, women just sort of expect it, really haven't given it much thought.
	If we look at the marriage ritual, the man has to get down on one knee, buy a ring.
	Like, I think kneeling, kneeling, that's worse than a bow.
	To kneel?
	Like, a bow, at least you stay on your feet.
	A kneel is really subservient.
	Same thing.
	You do that one time.
	You want to bow every day for the rest of your life.
	Yeah, but the other component here is that he's got to buy the ring, his money.
	Sometimes the reports are.
	I bought it.
	I bought his ring.
	Okay, well, you're a moderate.
	Congrats.
	Isn't that, don't you buy the man's ring?
	She bought mine.
	Okay, okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	What percentage I get...
	What percentage of the time when a ring is bought, is it bought by the man?
	Can we not do this thing?
	I already told her.
	No, yeah.
	Can we not do this thing where, like, well, I'm the exception to the rule.
	I'm speaking in generality.
	I actually figured that if he bought my engagement genuinely, I bought his wedding ring.
	Is that different?
	Like, do you actually not think, to her point, do you think it's uncommon that typically the man pays for the ring and is the one who proposes it?
	He did.
	He did.
	That wasn't what I was saying.
	Wait, what were you saying?
	But I bought his wedding ring.
	She has a wedding ring, too.
	I bought if it's common for the fiancé to then return the favor and the finger.
	I was already financially supported by my fiancé at the time.
	So when we paid for his ring, it was he bought it.
	I've never bought it.
	Yeah, but that's a great question.
	I actually agree with that.
	I think most men buy both of them.
	I could be wrong.
	I've never been proposed to remotely.
	I'm a million, but I think that's surprised by the mass majority of men.
	And a man's ring costs a lot less than a woman's ring.
	Let's be clear.
	Yeah, the question is, did he spend more on the ring that he gave you than what you spent for his?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	We should try to avoid doing these like exception to the rule arguments because it's not really productive.
	But okay.
	So I'm just trying to get an understanding here.
	Guy should kneel.
	Guy should spend thousands of dollars on a ring.
	But bowing bad.
	We can't guarantee a guy's going to propose.
	So why bow to a man every day who might not even like?
	Well, why do anything for anybody then?
	Amen.
	Yeah.
	Well, but like, I just don't see how that's like.
	I'm just, I guess my question.
	My question is: so in a relationship, there are things that you expect to go both ways.
	Yeah.
	You expect good communication.
	I mean, these are sort of bare minimum things.
	I understand that, frankly, I think both men and women are lacking in this regard.
	But women certainly aren't shy about complaining about men's poor communication skills, although perhaps it's the case that men and women communicate differently.
	In any case, good communication, loyalty, treating each other well, being kind to one another, caring about the other person's needs, these sorts of things, right?
	Being there for your boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, husband, whatever, wife.
	However, on top of all that, it occurs to me that there are things specifically expected of men.
	provide and protect would be the primary ones and then shouldn't we expect the same from a woman though Like, shouldn't for women to protect?
	Provide and protect women.
	Like, emotionally, if in your eyes, you know?
	Like, wouldn't you want to protect emotionally?
	Yeah, protect their, like, emotional state.
	Like, I feel like that's, like, like, no, I don't agree with that.
	Like, I think more absurd.
	But that wouldn't really.
	Women.
	Yeah, like, you should have.
	I think it goes both ways, but like, you should have to emotionally rely on your partner both ways.
	And, like, that's in a way protecting each other because you're protecting each other's emotions, you know?
	So, you don't think when it comes to the ways in which men protect women, that's not uniquely male?
	I mean, I think a woman could do the same for a man.
	Could and should.
	Well, however, there are some circumstances just due to the physiological differences between men and women.
	Men are just physically stronger than women.
	Oh, I know one woman.
	She's stronger.
	Okay.
	I'm not even.
	So typically also, there is an expectation.
	And I understand that these scenarios are pretty rare.
	Yeah.
	Like, most people are not going to encounter situations where there's like a physical violent threat.
	But they do happen.
	And the expectation, even if it never happens in your lifetime, there's an expectation that the man would intervene on behalf of the woman.
	Even if it never happens, the expectation is there.
	And women do not like cowardly men.
	No, but like, I don't think a woman should do the same for her man, too.
	The difference is, though, and maybe that might be true.
	Men don't expect it of women.
	And men wouldn't, men, that's not an attraction trigger in men.
	Like, for example, if like some shit is going down, if my girlfriend, like, I don't know, there's like a situation or whatever and my girlfriend were to run away, the girl I'm dating were to run away, like scared, I wouldn't lose attraction for her due to her cowardice.
	Like I wouldn't lose attraction for her due to her lack of like heroism or bravery in a situation.
	I don't expect that.
	However, I think most women, if they saw their boyfriend, husband act cowardly, to cower in some way, to run away, to not act in a heroic way, to not display bravery, would, either consciously or subconsciously, lose attraction for him.
	And I hear this all the time.
	There's, look, it's not the case for all women, but if you see your boyfriend just get the shit kicked out of him, and this is really probably a rare occurrence.
	Most women, you know, most people go through life and they're not getting into fights all the time, right?
	But if a girl, I mean, we could ask you guys, maybe.
	Before we do, though, let me let some chats go through.
	Pasty, George donated $200.
	Chair 3, does your husband not do things that are embarrassing and humiliating for him for your sake?
	But he does them anyway and suffers silently through it because he loves and respects you.
	Like what?
	By tampons?
	No.
	I mean, if he did, he probably wouldn't be embarrassed.
	He doesn't care about.
	And we have another one coming from Pacey George, and then I'll ask him a question.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Chair 3, it sounds like you are taking your husband and what he does for you for granted.
	That is one of the first steps that women take before climbing the rest of the ladder to divorce.
	Wow.
	Oh, fuck.
	I just won't bow, and he thinks we're going to get divorced.
	My husband is the best.
	He does everything for me.
	He's lovely.
	He's wonderful.
	Best friend in the world.
	Best person I've probably ever met in my life.
	But no bow.
	No bow.
	Okay.
	Maybe.
	Thank you.
	Can I say one thing?
	Yeah.
	You said, had it been established early on, if it had been something like in the beginning when we were dating, he's like, just so you know, this is something I want, maybe it would be different.
	But if it was now and he's like, I have this new expectation that I want you to start bowing for me every day, I would think that was weird and I would not want to do it.
	So you divorce him?
	No.
	I already said I would not divorce him.
	Oh, he would.
	Okay, but he might divorce me.
	Yeah, let's say it was like a deal breaker for him.
	Okay.
	The question is, I guess going this way, if you saw your boyfriend just get beat up, just the shit kicked out of him and he's all knocked out, all fucked up, would you lose a bit of attraction for him?
	Knowing who he is at this point, no, I think I would just be more upset at the situation.
	Okay.
	It happened to me.
	And I stayed with him.
	He got beat up.
	No, no, no, no.
	I don't care.
	And I stayed with him.
	But, okay, you stayed with him, but did you...
	And I, like, iced his face and everything.
	Did you, like, lose some attraction for him?
	No.
	No, it was like he was jumped.
	What about you?
	Have you had that experience?
	Have you had the experience and what would happen?
	I've had an experience of like being with a guy at ball and like he was going to start a fight, but didn't fight.
	But no, I would lose attraction.
	You would lose attraction?
	My only question is: is it a one-on-one or a group setting?
	Because if he gets jumped by 10 men and he gets his ass whooped, I'm money.
	One view.
	One-on-one.
	Yes, I'm losing respect for him as a man.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	No, that has not happened.
	And I don't think I would lose respect.
	Or attraction.
	Or attraction?
	No, that's never happened.
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	But I don't know.
	What about you?
	I don't think so.
	It's never happened to me.
	But I don't think I would lose any attraction.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't think it's happened to me.
	And I don't think I'd lose attraction to him.
	And honestly, a feminine trait is like nurturing.
	And, you know, you want to nurture your man.
	So if they get their shit kicked, then you're like, the nurturing instinct comes back.
	You can lose attraction and still nurture them.
	I just have a question.
	How do you not know if he's like, how you don't know if that's ever happened to you?
	I care about it.
	Like, did he hide it?
	Like, did he get beat up and then kind of hide it maybe?
	I feel like a few situationships maybe have, maybe.
	But I don't know.
	You know, there are definitive things in life.
	Like, yes, this happened.
	No, it didn't.
	But if he got beat up, he would have been a bit more.
	I guess I can't think of a specific example.
	Well, how about this?
	Maybe that's not the best question, but let's say, hmm.
	Trying to think.
	Would there be an expectation on your part if you were out with your boyfriend and I don't know, you're in like kind of a restaurant bar environment and some guy walks by and like says like, hey, babe, nice ass, or like something inappropriate.
	It's the bare minimum.
	Do you want your guy, maybe he doesn't get in a fight, but you want him to confront that guy?
	That's the bare minimum.
	Bare minimum is what?
	To confront him?
	Yeah, of course.
	If he's not sexually, like, that's sexually harassing your woman.
	So what does she say?
	Say something.
	And it'd be the same if like, he got sexually harassed by like, I'd say like, I'd say something.
	The stakes are, my man got sexually harassed by a woman.
	Although women tend to like, female conflicts tend to not as frequently result in physical conflict.
	Yeah, and then the stakes are way higher when men are fighting.
	Yeah, just because of force like, but like like, men walk away with like.
	I've honestly never gotten in a physical fight with a woman, like right so, but.
	But here's the thing though like, as a woman, you could tell a girl off and maybe it leads to a.
	It could lead to a physical confrontation, but it's less likely.
	However, if I step to a guy, even if I'm in the right and I'm like, yo, what the fuck, knock it off, that's my like, you know.
	I tell him, hey man, that's not.
	You know, whatever it is, there's a risk, anytime you're dealing with men, that it could get to physical.
	There's a risk, way higher risk.
	Well, you said I'm not.
	I can't even get engage with you.
	I'm actually frustrated talking with you.
	What's your point?
	That there's a risk?
	What was your point?
	But in every verbal confrontation that you've ever had with a man how, what percentage of times has it became physical?
	I attempt to avoid un completely unnecessary verbal altercations with men and how many times, when you have gotten in it, has it escalated to physical confrontations?
	You know like?
	How many times has that escalated to a?
	Well, because my goal is to avoid like street violence.
	I have a perhaps a bit of smarts to myself.
	I don't go around picking verbal fights with with men good, but I don't see how that has anything to fucking you're in, fucking la la land.
	What do you mean you were saying?
	You literally said that, like generally it lead to a physical confrontation.
	So I'm asking you what?
	I didn't say that you did.
	No, I said.
	I said the risk, Risk as compared.
	Okay, as compared to when two women are verbally arguing, sometimes that could escalate to physical confrontation.
	However, women typically are less likely to resort to physical violence.
	Men, on the other hand, if you're in a verbal altercation with a man, two men, that risk is higher in men, it ending up into a physical violence situation than it is in women.
	Unless it's like role play and you're like role-playing like a CNC scene, you know?
	And I think it could be kind of hot to get that.
	Thank you.
	That's really helpful.
	I think it's just because men tend to be more aggressive.
	Hasty George donated $200.
	Chairs 5 and 6.
	Thank you for being honest about losing attraction for your boy, friend, or husband if they got beaten up in a fight.
	You two are based for that part.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't know where we were here.
	We were talking about like protection, and you were saying, well, hold on, protection goes both ways.
	Okay.
	The point is, is that typically there is going to be a larger gendered expectation on men to fit the role of protector in a relationship.
	Men don't look to women to be protectors.
	Don't look to women to protect.
	The security and protection of the household, if I'm living with a girl, if we're married, that falls on me.
	Now, look, I have no problem.
	If she wants to own a firearm, all the better.
	Good for her.
	But most majority of women probably aren't on that page.
	So the protection of the household, the protection of her, eventually the protection of our children.
	Like, for example, if there's a noise in the night, the general gender dynamic is not, I'm not going to look to my girlfriend and be like, hey, go downstairs and check that out.
	Most women be like, what the fuck?
	You're bitch made.
	I'm going to see what's up.
	And if there's a home invader, I will dispatch the home invader.
	I'm not going to look to my girlfriend, who's fucking 110 pounds, to go deal with that.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, in that context, yeah.
	Okay, so explain to me, though, if it's the case that this is a one-directional gender expectation for men to be protectors, that's something exclusively that men do.
	And then, as it relates to providing, also, I believe protecting isn't just physical threats, but you need to protect your girlfriend, wife, whatever, from threats of mind.
	So there's massive amounts of propaganda in society.
	Massive propaganda.
	It could be political.
	It could be socially.
	It could be culturally.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Like, for example, and look, I know there's some women at this table might be upset by this.
	But for example, I think there is a motive in society to make women as insecure as possible in their physical appearance.
	And this is so that billion and trillion dollar corporations can leech, leech, there's a better word than leech, can siphon money from the pockets of women as it relates to the cosmetic industry.
	This is multi-the trillion-dollar industry.
	They want you to be insecure so you can buy that blush.
	They want you to be insecure so you can buy that foundation and that everything for life.
	They have you for life.
	They've had you before you could even conceptualize, before you can even reason, before you can even rationalize.
	They have most of these women when they're like 13.
	Totally.
	Women are wearing makeup very young.
	And there's a very strong incentive to keep people feeling insecure about how they look.
	And it's, again, trillion-dollar industry.
	This goes into the plastic surgery industry.
	So from my purview, if I'm dating a woman and she doesn't have any plastic surgery and she comes to me and she says, you know what, Brian, I have an A-cup.
	I want bigger boobs.
	My job is to say, you're fine how you are.
	I think you're beautiful.
	Don't go and get a dangerous and unnecessary surgery that's, you know, there's all kinds of issues with plastic surgery.
	Look, most of the time it's fine, whatever.
	It's expensive, potentially dangerous.
	And you don't need it.
	You don't need it.
	There's no medical reason, you know, except for rare, you had a breast removed due to cancer.
	There's really no medical reason for breast implants.
	I think men have a duty to protect not just physically, but of the mind.
	So I need to guide her and protect her from the malevolent and evil influences of society and culture.
	Yeah, you're not even listening.
	Good talk.
	No, no, I was.
	I was.
	And I agree with you, actually.
	But I also think you should be supportive no matter what.
	And that's protecting my mind is not allowing my girlfriend or wife to be bamboozled by the best way to phrase this.
	The psyop of society and culture.
	Humans have got on just fine for thousands of years without painting your face or getting plastic surgically cut into you and implanted.
	Women have got on just fine.
	Now, it's one thing if, look, I meet a girl, look, if she's already had it done.
	Yeah, your ex look like she had some.
	That, she's not my ex, but what?
	It's going to be a hard sell.
	It's going to be a hard sell to be like, hey, get that shit taken out.
	However, if she comes to me and I'm already dating her, and I would hope that she would look to me to give her guidance on decision making.
	Yeah.
	I would guide her away from doing that.
	Would you not date a girl if she had?
	It depends what.
	It's not a deal breaker, but it's my preference.
	To not.
	But also, just to be clear, like when I say it's not a deal breaker and preferences, like it would be my preference to date a woman who's a trillionaire.
	Right.
	That would be really good for me.
	Right.
	Like, I would love that.
	Right.
	That's not to say, like, I would have, I wouldn't be dissatisfied if I dated a girl who worked a chick-fil-a.
	Is it now our turn to break down why a trillionaire would never date you?
	Yeah, for real.
	Well, no, but the difference here would be my bare minimum is she has to earn zero dollars.
	Okay.
	So.
	Preference, though, would be no implant.
	Yeah, so I guess when I say it would be my preference, like we, when we're dating, obviously it would be our preference to get like the most like in every single thing that matters, looks, money, personality, you know, all the characteristics that everybody cares about.
	We would want to maximize all those traits, right?
	So like you want a guy who's successful.
	Well, the ultimate manifestation of that is like the richest person in the world.
	Sorry, I might have spit there a little bit.
	No one saw.
	Yeah, it's okay.
	I'll look it off the table.
	I knew it was coming.
	I knew it was a matter of time.
	Okay.
	But of course, all of you would, well, most of you would date a guy and have, there would be no issues in the relationship whatsoever if he earned way less than billions and billions of dollars a year.
	So when I say preference, like, you know, I'm using it more so not as a bare minimum, but the ultimate manifestation of what somebody could potentially want.
	My boyfriend actually doesn't like body piercings.
	That's just something he's not a fan of.
	And I had my belly button pierced since I was like 16.
	And he had mentioned it a lot.
	Like, hey, I don't like that.
	I don't like it.
	And so I took it out for him.
	And I'm happy.
	Like, I don't.
	If it makes him happy and he likes it, then more power to me and to him.
	Sounds like people settle for what they can get versus what they really want.
	Yeah.
	Because like, that's like your choice.
	Why would you need your husband's validation?
	Like, is it really that important?
	If your husband said he didn't like your tattoo, would you get it removed?
	Yeah.
	Like, would you cut nipples off?
	If he was like, I don't like your nipples, I think they're too large.
	That's completely different.
	Do you think she should end the relationship because of this small thing?
	I mean, if he checks all these other boxes and he just wants the piercing out, yeah.
	Bye-bye piercing.
	No, he's bye-bye boy.
	Yeah.
	That's probably why you're saying that.
	I mean, the other component.
	Well, I didn't get manipulated.
	The other component.
	How do you know she's unhappy?
	Okay.
	Let's.
	I'm not even going to call that.
	Can we stay on topic here, guys?
	Holy shit.
	Ridiculous.
	You guys are all over the place.
	The other component of protecting is if eventually, and look, maybe some of you don't want kids, you have to protect the family.
	And there are threats from society, from society, that will impact your children and your family.
	Yeah.
	So, oh, I'm not going to get too political with it, but oh, okay.
	Your kid goes to school and makes a passing comment like, I think I'm a girl.
	And it's a boy.
	Kids are easily confused.
	Most of them grow out of that.
	Maybe they're joking.
	Oh, the teacher.
	Oh, okay.
	Go talk to the counselor or go talk to like, I don't know what they do in fucking school.
	I don't know what they do.
	Oh, we should get you with the school psychologist.
	And then they go, I need to protect my child from that.
	There's other things too that you need to protect your children from.
	So you're transphobic?
	You don't have to be transphobic.
	How would that be transphobic?
	Because you're already shutting down your child Sexy Wild before they can discover.
	Your child is not known.
	Yeah, your child is.
	You're not going to put that label on him.
	I have a two and a half year old, and one of my biggest fears is something being put in front of him that he doesn't.
	Kids are meant to play.
	They're meant to learn.
	Keep all the other shit out.
	Maybe the kids want to touch themselves.
	Let them know.
	Can she go?
	Like, seriously?
	That's not enough though now.
	You're disgusting.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	We're not talking about the kids.
	Fuck.
	Okay, that's.
	I have to wait one moment.
	I am going to have to wait one moment.
	What's your body count?
	Probably like 100.
	Okay, hold on.
	You also said that, hold on.
	We're going to come back to this, but you said you got involved with an older guy.
	You were together for two months, and the first night you guys hooked up, what happened?
	We may have done a little too many drugs, and I got knocked up.
	Okay.
	What else?
	What else?
	I don't know.
	I decided to have an abortion because I didn't want to have a kid.
	That's it.
	And then what about the STD?
	Oh, yeah.
	So that's a crazy story.
	So imagine getting knocked up and then you also get chlamydia from the guy.
	Like, that's just like crazy.
	Like, that baby could have had chlamydia.
	So, like, I was like, I'm going to abort this baby because I just feel like that's not in my morality to like bring a child into the world considering the current day that we are living.
	Like, this is not.
	Because then you have questions like this, where it's like, if my child wants to be a boy or girl, like, it's better to just avoid that in all.
	Okay.
	That's all that happened.
	That's just like normal.
	I'm sure you've had chlamydia.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I got it.
	I got it.
	Final thing here.
	Should a guy pay if he takes you on a date?
	Yes.
	Do you think you deserve chivalry?
	Yes, but also, like, I wouldn't care if a guy didn't open the door for me.
	Like, okay.
	Would you agree that only women who are ladies deserve chivalry?
	What?
	Women who are ladies?
	I think everyone deserves children.
	All women deserve chivalry.
	Okay.
	So men should be gentlemen.
	Yeah.
	If you pick up a girl from Figarora, open the door for her and give her a few extra hundred dollars.
	She deserves chivalry.
	So, I mean, my point would be: you expect men to like pay for dates, do chivalrous stuff.
	I would just point out you're not a lady.
	You might find men who are simps who are willing to treat you like one.
	You don't deserve it.
	You're an active sex worker.
	You do OnlyFans.
	You do hardcore porn.
	There's a photo on your Instagram of two glass butt plugs smushed into your face.
	You've had at least one admitted STD, one abortion, and you do drugs.
	I think the fair trade-off is: if a man should be chivalrous, the woman should be virtuous.
	You don't deserve it.
	Nick, just be careful on this one, okay?
	Here's your red card.
	Red card for you.
	So, kindly asking you to get up and leave.
	Thank you for coming.
	Appreciate it.
	I just want to say that you make money off of be really proud of your life.
	Sorry, repeat it.
	I said you make your money off of trolling women.
	You must be really proud of your life choices.
	How am I?
	I'm engaging in conversation in good faith.
	Well, because you're trolling me, but you make your money off of trolling women over what they decide to do with their bodies.
	And you're transphobic and you're racist.
	You know, I wouldn't be surprised if you got shot like Charlie Kirk.
	I'm going to say.
	Whoa.
	No, leave it, Nick.
	Whoa.
	Ciao.
	Video.
	Video, Nick.
	Can we spread out?
	You're probably going to put her in here.
	Sorry, guys.
	We're going to wait.
	Felicity.
	Here, we're going to scoot everybody down a seat and then Felicity, or everybody just scoot down a seat.
	Take your cups with you.
	Oh, she has to leave.
	I think leave the mics.
	Oh, yeah.
	Everybody else?
	That's my.
	Okay.
	Can you make sure she doesn't take anything?
	Sorry, guys.
	That was hers.
	Yeah, this cup's not going to.
	We'll take care of it.
	We'll take care of it.
	That sounds weird.
	All right.
	Holy shit.
	Nike.
	Yikes.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I think that was the goal.
	Did you?
	I mean, you probably shouldn't have gone the intro.
	Did we miss that, though?
	Oh, okay.
	Chat, did you guys hear the whole thing or did it cut?
	Because he went intro.
	Chat, were you able to hear what she said?
	I'm sorry if we're going intro, but I got scared.
	Chat, did you hear what she said?
	I think it cut.
	Chat, what did she.
	Did you, when did you, did they hear the Charlie Kirk part?
	Yeah, they were in the city.
	That wasn't that like a death threat.
	Yeah, essentially.
	I don't know if that would be criminal.
	I don't think so.
	She wouldn't be surprised.
	I don't think it was a threat.
	I mean, it was really rude.
	I don't know if that would be.
	I don't know if there's a criminal liability there.
	She would.
	Yeah.
	The chat is saying, yes, they heard it.
	Yeah, that's, I mean.
	Fun.
	Yeah.
	Well, is that the first time I've used the red card?
	Yeah.
	No.
	No, is it really?
	No.
	I mean, normally I just kick people off, but.
	Oh, shit.
	You know what?
	I forgot to.
	I need to say Tata.
	I forgot to say Tata.
	Fuck.
	Can't you edit that in?
	Bring her back to kick her off.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Let me change it.
	I need to do something.
	Guys, sorry for that.
	I need to do one thing on my phone here super quick.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to have to wash my hands.
	Did she miss everything?
	Yeah, I did.
	You missed everything?
	What happened?
	Oh, wow.
	She was just waiting for that guy around.
	One sec, guys.
	Uno memento.
	Poor friend.
	Oh, shit.
	Now she gets to go viral of her coming on here to get more men to subscribe to her.
	Like, literally, nothing was cool about anything.
	I mean, it's pretty obvious.
	She just really wanted attention.
	She's probably trying to grow her.
	She probably just doesn't like, she probably doesn't like the show, and she wanted to, you know, try to sabotage it in some way.
	A little uncomfortable and talk about.
	Yeah, just make everybody uncomfortable and try to throw wrench in it.
	I mean, I kind of, from the very early get-go with the yellow card, I knew that the kick was coming.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	Here, one sec, guys.
	I'm just kind of getting some stream stuff going here.
	But yeah, guys, that's, by the way, didn't say anything transphobic whatsoever.
	You can not, you can wish the best for people who are trans and also not want children to take puberty blockers.
	You cannot want children getting like surgery.
	So that's not transphobic.
	Not sure where she put, not sure where she pulled the racist thing from.
	I don't know where that's coming from.
	That was me.
	It's just the script that she has to put down.
	Yeah, they just, these words really don't mean anything.
	They're just buzzwords.
	Don't mean anything.
	So sorry about that, guys.
	Pasty George, do you have $200?
	Careful talking about kids and each other.
	Don't even joke about that, please.
	Yeah, that's I had a kicker there.
	So I was like, all right, she has some notes.
	I'll just do the notes and kick her.
	But hopefully, the convo is a little more better.
	Sorry that we didn't get this in the TTS in before she got kicked off, but I had to get the kick in.
	There was one other thing I had to do.
	Hold on.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	And chair for who just left is what the next generations of women are turning into because of being infected and influenced by feminism.
	Definitely think feminism is part of the reason.
	That's also sex work as well.
	It's also a really weird take.
	Like she was trying to make some virtue stand that I'm a racist and transphobic when like the preceding statement was she was advocating for allowing children to be active and to watch their be active.
	She also stated she would be fine with her kids watching her be active online.
	She said way too many things and there's no way she thinks that way.
	No, there's no way.
	Yeah, actually unhinged.
	Pedophilic.
	Yeah.
	Well, exactly.
	That's yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.
	Let's see.
	Hold on one sec, guys.
	I need to change a few things here.
	Yeah, can you pull it up and I'm going to have Claire read it?
	If a man asked you to go through gun safety classes to help protect the home, would you?
	And why wouldn't you?
	I would.
	I would.
	Yeah, of course.
	I have.
	I have.
	Yes.
	I would.
	I would.
	All right.
	Camon, if I'm going to ask you to go through.
	Cam man.
	Camon, thank you for the super chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I need to do something for my good friend Pasty George.
	Pasty George here on my new show, Whatever Wednesdays.
	We do it live on this channel.
	Not a set time yet, but it's going to be Wednesdays afternoon, probably between eventually.
	I'll probably set a precise time, but it's around like three to four is when I'll start doing it.
	This guy, Pasty George, he is a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	This guy, very supportive, longtime patron.
	Maybe our, I think he might even at this point have overtaken grid one motor.
	Wait, Pasty George.
	You haven't been doing the special TTS thing.
	Oh my God, Pasty George.
	200, you have to do exactly 204 cents.
	200.04 for the special TTS thing.
	Pasty, am I talking to an imposter?
	Okay, so Pasty George, hold on.
	I got the new iPhone 17, but I got the silver.
	When I was a kid, orange was my favorite color.
	I thought the silver, I don't know if you guys can tell.
	No.
	iPhone 17 Pro.
	I regret getting the silver.
	I should have got the orange.
	And so this fucking legend, Pasty George, I'm like, donates $2,000.
	And he's like, you know what, Brian?
	Go get yourself.
	So, so I he got he basically.
	I mean, I bought it, but he gave me the money to buy it.
	An iPhone 17 Pro, one terabyte, bigger than this one.
	So this is going to be my new primary phone, Pasty, your fucking legend.
	And then this one will just be for the hose.
	No, this one will be.
	I'm going to have what I was doing earlier, is I'm just going to have it up.
	I've been having it here, and it's just going to read the TTS.
	So I'm going to unbox that.
	I'm going to unbox whatever.
	This is the first ever, whatever podcast unboxing.
	I'm MKBD.
	What's his name?
	Can you do like ASMR?
	I need like the overhead.
	I need the overhead camera, you know, so I could, you know, show, show the.
	I'll do an unboxing, but I'll keep the conversation going.
	So I don't know where we were.
	that kind of threw me for a loop.
	The girl saying that she, what, I'm not going to, don't repeat it, but.
	You were discussing if your child was being told that they might possibly be trans.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, we don't.
	Yeah, basically, I'm just saying men need to be protectors in their families and look out for their children.
	Look out for their wife.
	Look out for their girlfriend.
	And, you know, not necessarily listen to what society is saying, not listen, and just have a grounding in what is best for your family and children.
	This is a fucking beautiful.
	The exposure is a little.
	Oh my gosh.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to take it out.
	I can't.
	I won't be able to use it now because I got to set it up.
	Oh, it's got this.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Fucking beautiful.
	I should have.
	I don't know why I didn't get it.
	I should have got orange.
	Favorite color when I was a kid.
	Thank you, Pasty, George.
	Guys, W's in the chat for Pasty.
	He got me.
	You know what?
	He got me.
	He got me an iPhone.
	He's a fucking legend.
	Is this going to be Oprah?
	You get an iPhone 17 Pro.
	You get.
	Just kidding.
	He's not.
	Pasty.
	Let's do it.
	No, don't do that shit, Pasty.
	But you know what?
	You know what?
	I did want.
	Is Pasty in the chat?
	Is Pasty even in the chat?
	Pasty?
	I want one.
	Be quiet, Felicity.
	You can have my old iPhone six.
	Wait, hold on.
	Are you in the chat, Pasty?
	Pasty, type in the chat.
	Let me see if you're in the chat.
	Is he?
	Oh, he's here.
	Look, Pasty, I, fuck, man.
	You know, I was thinking, though, like, here's my problem.
	And maybe the ladies can confirm.
	Like, you know, my old phone, it was an iPhone SE.
	Like, I have really dainty man hands.
	I don't have big, strong hands.
	And like, when I'm just like, you know, in bed, my hands get kind of tired.
	They get cramped, carpal tunnel.
	If I'm just like holding it or I'm in the pool or whatever and I'm holding my phone, like, I'll get my hand kind of hurts after a while.
	You know, there's this, there's this iPhone 17 Air.
	No, it's not even, it's just the iPhone Air.
	It's the sl it's the slimmest, the thinnest iPhone.
	This is not, this is not sponsorship.
	Are you pitching for another phone?
	This is not an Apple sponsorship, by the way.
	I, you know, I need like a really lightweight thin phone because I get cramps in my hand.
	So maybe like I need, you know, if you want to do an iPhone AirPop.
	I'm kidding.
	It's a joke.
	It's a joke.
	Is this heavy?
	Hey, uh.
	And no, my phone's heavier.
	Look, I'm just saying I have dainty gamer hands.
	I don't, I'm not supposed to, you know, be lifting up.
	Oh, you poor thing.
	It's so heavy.
	I get, you know, carpal tunnel.
	Get a pop socket.
	Get a pop socket.
	So, you know, Paste.
	No, it's just a joke.
	It's a joke.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	You are a fucking legend and a scholar.
	I appreciate it.
	Imagine that.
	An iPhone AirPop.
	That would be crazy.
	I would actually, that would be my.
	Oh, my God.
	That would be my whole, like, I'm going to look at my phone for 30 minutes phone.
	And then this would be like my.
	You're just like, you're going to make him send you more money for your.
	I'm joking.
	It's a joke.
	He doesn't.
	Yeah.
	I mean, if he wants to, I'm not going to say no.
	I'm not going to say no.
	I'm not going to say no.
	Okay.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Anyways, segue.
	Guys, we're going to get back into it.
	Shall we address what happens?
	I mean, I think they can watch.
	Or I don't know if the girls had any thoughts on that.
	I don't know.
	It was just a little bit of a- I had thoughts.
	Go ahead.
	You could tell when you start.
	Like from the beginning when she said she started at 16 and then she was like, I had to pay rent.
	And my mind was just like, what happened to you that made you like she's a troll?
	She's a liar.
	Anyways.
	But you don't think she's, do you think she's 20 or do you think she's older?
	She had.
	Hold on.
	I know she said have you seen her?
	No, but did you miss her?
	But then she said 23 there.
	But which one was the lie?
	Who knows how old she is?
	But I think everything she said was bull.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But did she change that or once you said that someone she changed it once you said that someone could get like arrested and in trouble for it?
	Yeah, but 17 is still underage.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	When she messaged us and we asked her her age, she said 23.
	No, no, I know.
	Is she really a porn star?
	Yeah, she had confirmed that she wasn't.
	She's a degen.
	Yeah, she is.
	Okay.
	Okay, anyways.
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Pasty donated $200 and $4.
	Is it okay?
	I totally forgot about that LMFAO.
	I gave him a special.
	Our top TTSers, top TTSers get a little special ding, as it were.
	Whatever happened to Low Paladins.
	Oh, yeah.
	Where is that guy?
	That was like one of your big supporters.
	He got a special one.
	Hey, Brian.
	Yeah, Lopadalin.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Thank you, man.
	That iPhone was a reward for Brian for hosting such an essential podcast for men, especially nowadays in this crazy world.
	Enjoy your reward, my friend.
	Yo.
	My niche.
	Thank you, man.
	What's a niche?
	Yo, Pasty George.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Your support for the show, like, because of you.
	I mean, look, we appreciate even if you just watch, we appreciate everything.
	But we couldn't do the show without the patrons, the supporters.
	We got girls like that who are the girl who was sitting there who are like intent.
	Honestly, I think some of that shit she was saying, she like that kind of conversation, that's demonetization.
	Like that, the video is demonetized.
	In the first 10 minutes of the show, demonetized.
	You can't talk like anything related to like children and like anything related to corn.
	She did multiple times.
	Yeah, there was a couple keywords.
	She used some keywords maliciously.
	So it was uncomfortable.
	It was just gross.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's just uncomfortable for the guests, too.
	But that shit happens.
	And then also, yeah, we're not, you know, we're not exactly getting like mainstream sponsorships here.
	We host a controversial show.
	So, yeah, fucking.
	Cheers to Pasty.
	Athletic Greens isn't coming around.
	And Audible's not coming.
	Nord VPN isn't.
	Even the VPN companies aren't coming, boys.
	It's honey still.
	It's hard out here, huh?
	Honey?
	Is honey still around?
	No, not even honey.
	They'll sponsor anyone.
	Nobody.
	Nobody sponsors.
	We've had like a few here and there, typically some smaller.
	But we've had 200.
	I mean, if you count the debates and some of the other stuff, we've had 300 episodes.
	We've had less than 10 sponsorships.
	That's rare, boys.
	So I appreciate everybody who supports the show.
	Whether you want to, you know, send something.
	Maybe we'll just go through the thing really quick.
	Guys, Read is 100.
	TTS200.
	That's streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	Venmo Cash App, whatever, pod on both.
	MC Rocker, thank you for the 25, man.
	And then Rudy, thank you for the five on Cash App.
	Twitch.tv, guys, this is a really simple way.
	Guys, that woman just threatened my life.
	Like, I mean, the least you can do, sort of.
	Kind of.
	I mean, she wouldn't be surprised.
	She wished for my unaliving.
	So, guys, here's what I need.
	So I can buy, I should, I need to get security, honestly, at this point.
	Guys, I thought she was here.
	Yeah, your security's next to you.
	I'm not doing anything.
	All right.
	If you guys have a Twitch account, just drop us a follow on Twitch and then check if you have a Prime sub available.
	So what a Prime sub is, a lot of you have Amazon Prime, which is great.
	Amazon Prime is great.
	All you have to do is link it.
	You can link it super easily to your Twitch account.
	And you obviously have to pay for the Amazon Prime, but included in your subscription, you get Twitch Prime.
	So every single month, you can drop us a Prime sub.
	And, you know, it's just a small little helpful way to support the show.
	If you just have an Amazon Prime account, you link it to your Twitch.
	And, you know, we get a couple bucks from it.
	But if enough people do it, it's helpful to us.
	It takes about a minute to link up.
	And every single month, you can do it every month, by the way.
	Every single month.
	You don't even have to do it while we're live.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Blah Fest, thank you for the 10 gifted subs.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	You're a legend.
	Thank you, guys.
	Appreciate the support over there.
	Okay.
	And then, oh, shop.
	You can get some merch.
	Shop.whatever.com.
	Get yourself some merch boys.
	I personally love the Big Labia Matter t-shirt and the hoodie is a great one because all labia can't matter until a big labia matter.
	Discord.gg slash whatever.
	Guys, we go.
	Oh.
	Although.
	I'm dying.
	Although they saw it.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Like, guys, like the video.
	But discord.gg.
	Guys, join the.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Actually, hold on.
	Let me see if I can see it.
	Guys, we have.
	Hold on.
	Can I see?
	I don't know if we can see.
	Hmm.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Oh.
	Okay, that's fine.
	And just like the video.
	Just like the video, guys.
	Like it.
	Hit the like button.
	You see what I do for you guys?
	I'm dealing with unhinged prostitutes and shit.
	Well, just her.
	There are hinged prostitutes.
	That is true.
	That is true.
	I mean, I appreciate you getting her off sooner because I do see a lot of dragged out times.
	And this time, you weren't playing around.
	Hey, you know, look, she had to go.
	Yeah.
	And that's even before she threatened your life.
	Good point.
	Good job.
	Good job.
	Lindsay, good observation.
	I like that you had to finish the questions, though, just to make sure you squeezed out.
	Oh, yeah, I got.
	And I hear him on the he said on the side, like, I got it.
	And I'm like, okay.
	Rapid fire.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Look, I'm going to, if, if she's, I'm going to milk something.
	That's what I was saying.
	I'm going to be like, you know what?
	I'm going to get you on camera saying some dumb shit.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, every small shit.
	Actually, I could have probably, hold on, let's not give her too much credit.
	I should have milked a bit more.
	You know what?
	I should have been like, just got her on camera saying some ridiculous.
	You did.
	I didn't get worse than what.
	I mean, I don't think that could be worse.
	You didn't really have to milk it.
	I mean, she did it all on her own without any, I mean, you didn't really even come at her.
	Had it not gone down the child route, I mean, yeah.
	Did you hurt her?
	Like, what?
	Did you hurt her feelings?
	Like, it sounds like a hundred.
	She came here with an agenda.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, it was pretty.
	It was pretty transparent.
	The thing is, is like.
	She wants pedos to follow her.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let's avoid.
	Let's just avoid going there.
	Pediatrics.
	Pediatrics.
	But hold on one sec.
	Let me just check something.
	One sec.
	Okay, we're good.
	If you're going to troll, you can't make it so obvious.
	You can't make it so obvious, you know?
	Are you challenging people?
	I don't think she was self-aware enough to realize that it was.
	The things she was saying.
	Like, you don't talk like that.
	Anyways, we're going to just, you know what?
	We're going to get back.
	We have you guys here.
	I want to give you guys, you know, some attention now.
	She's in the rear view mirror.
	Command 500 donated $200.
	Yo, thank you.
	You kiss unicorn.
	Love you, brother.
	Love you too, Brian.
	Woman like the don't deserve your attention.
	You have a very reputable show and it's fantastic.
	I look forward to it every week.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	Yo, Camon.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, dude.
	You know, you're being a bit generous there with the reputable.
	Look, you know, it's a controversial show.
	I do appreciate, though.
	Thank you for that characterization.
	But maybe I'm being a bit self-deprecating there.
	But thank you, man.
	I really appreciate it.
	And thank you, everybody else.
	What does Andrew call it?
	An obscene profit break.
	Nah, we won't do that.
	We're going to get into the content.
	Maybe later, though.
	Maybe later we need to do it.
	You know, chat.
	I think we could, me and Andrew, when we get Andrew back on the show chat, me and Andrew should try to do, I don't know if it'd be a 24-hour stream.
	We should try to do a super chat world record.
	So that YouTube, we won't do Stream Labs.
	Me and Andrew are going to get on whatever.
	We're going to do a Super Chat World Record speed run.
	We're going to try it.
	We're going to try it, boys.
	That could be fun.
	I don't know.
	Anyways, whatever.
	Whatever.
	Too much meta conversation.
	We'll get back to the topics at hand.
	Why don't we just jump right into this?
	So, ah, yes, I need to change a few things.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.
	You can't pick seven from I Show Speed.
	Obviously a fan of the show.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting with you.
	I hate that I have to go first every time, but I don't know, I guess, in like what standard just looks on the scale of one to ten.
	But I feel like everyone has a different like preference, you know.
	Yeah, what do you think you are?
	I guess a six or an eight.
	A six or an eight?
	Yeah.
	Because you can't pitch this.
	Yeah, it depends on the guy.
	Pick one.
	Pick one.
	Eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'd say eight as well.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	Six.
	All right.
	I'm 43.
	I know I'm depreciating, so I'm going to say six.
	All right.
	Five or six.
	I'm going to adjust your microphone a little bit.
	Just tilt your mic down for me.
	Yeah.
	A little more?
	Yeah, and then scoot into the table a bit.
	Sorry, what was your, what did you say?
	Six?
	Five or six.
	Pick.
	Six.
	Six.
	Okay, what about you?
	Six.
	All right.
	With makeup, my hair done, looking good.
	I'm an eight.
	Six.
	Wait, going back to the eight here.
	What about without your makeup?
	I would say a six.
	Okay.
	And then, Felicity, you said.
	Six.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Nothing too unreasonable.
	Sometimes we get some.
	Nobody's a ten.
	Well, the ten.
	Nobody's a ten.
	Yeah, she would have said fucking ten.
	She would have definitely said ten.
	She would have said ten.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, you know, nothing too crazy here.
	So what is that to yourself?
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Thank you for reminding me.
	I give myself a five.
	I am the least attractive person here.
	Well, at least I don't know if, well, that.
	With a penis or just at the table, I guess.
	Okay.
	That's kind of you to say.
	That's very humble.
	Well, I don't know if I agree with that.
	I think it's humble.
	According to the ratings, I would have to be.
	I mean, if I give myself a five, the only question would then be: do I disagree with your ratings?
	But because you guys are somewhat reasonable, I don't really feel the need to give you guys too much pushback.
	Just curious, what do you rate me?
	I won't be upset.
	You can be honest.
	Looks-wise?
	Yeah.
	You can't include, like, obviously, you probably think I'm like super toxic and a piece of shit, whatever.
	No, no, no.
	Just look at that.
	You can't include that.
	Just looks.
	Just looks.
	What's your age?
	36.
	Okay, okay.
	I give you like a.
	Can I do like a six or a seven?
	I guess this is a little bit more.
	You can do whatever you want, whatever you want.
	Six or seven?
	Okay.
	You don't look 36, so you look a little younger for a 34-year-old.
	I feel like you look like a 30-year-old.
	You know?
	Yeah, okay.
	With these glasses on, though.
	Yeah, the red.
	The rose colours.
	Do you want to take them off just for a few minutes?
	Let's see the eyes.
	I kind of have yellow eyes.
	I got a share thing going on now.
	Why?
	Genetics?
	I don't know.
	Those are real?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's your real eye color?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's super cool.
	My lights are yellow.
	No, no.
	My like is actually yellow.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Well, it looks like Hazel.
	Yeah, it's Hazel.
	Hazel?
	Yeah.
	They're like, technically, anyone ever noticed how blue Brian's eyes are?
	Yeah, he has a blue.
	They're like really piercing blue.
	It's kind of like hard to look at him sometimes.
	Oh, wow.
	You want me to kiss?
	You don't remember that?
	Oh, I heard about the rumor.
	You said, like, I'm intimidating or something?
	Yeah, because your eyes are just so blue.
	Like, piercing?
	Yeah.
	Is it like the guy from Game of Thrones?
	Yeah, Oceanite.
	Wait, can you do a favor very carefully without bumping this camera?
	Okay.
	Because the people want a close-up of your eyes.
	Yeah.
	I want you to stand right here and then just stare at the colours.
	They have so many pretty eyes.
	Oh, focus.
	Scoot back a little.
	It's just the focus.
	Take your veins out of your eyes.
	You know what'd be funny is like at some points during the show, somebody just like popped up.
	There you go.
	Oh, there you go.
	Focus.
	Wow.
	Focus it once she sits.
	Okay, they are younger.
	All right.
	Let me see.
	Your turn.
	Oh, everybody's now.
	I'm going to do it.
	I'm going to go.
	I'm going to have close to a camera to make it.
	That's my nightmare.
	Name a country.
	Our name: three countries.
	Good.
	Germany.
	You guys can't repeat answers.
	Germany, Italy, and France.
	Canada, United States, Mexico.
	Peru, Brazil, Argentina.
	Iraq, Japan, and Finland.
	Okay.
	Um, Bosnia, um, wait, did we say England?
	England, and Nigeria.
	We're doing country.
	Three countries now.
	Uh, China, Thailand, and did somebody say Afghanistan?
	No.
	Okay.
	You did.
	Okay.
	Um, Russia, Canada, and Australia.
	I think Canada was already Australia is a continent.
	Also a country.
	It's a country.
	It's a country.
	It is.
	What's the continent called then?
	Oceania or just Australia?
	Yeah, it's Australia, yeah.
	It's a continent and a country.
	Yeah.
	what was your last answer um russia australia and oh my gosh You got this.
	Just think, don't overthink it.
	Jamaica?
	I could be wrong about that one, though.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	You can go.
	Okay.
	Name a continent.
	You already said Australia or whatever.
	Oh, I'm out.
	No, no, no.
	Name a continent, starting with you.
	A continent?
	North America?
	Okay.
	Europe.
	Asia.
	Africa.
	South America.
	antarctica you guys are all how boring are we I guess we need to have that girl back.
	What was her name?
	I don't even know her name.
	Can we call her have her continue?
	No, I had a dog that name, and that's not a diss on her.
	Her name was Ophelia.
	Oh, it's a fake name.
	No!
	There's no way that's gonna be.
	Uh-uh.
	Ophelia.
	Off of her.
	We don't know.
	Oh.
	Well, we were just freaking out her dog.
	Seemed the same.
	Oh, okay.
	Do you want me to just go down the questionnaire?
	Are we going to make this worse?
	Did you do continents?
	Yes.
	Yep.
	We all passed.
	Yeah, they did.
	I memoized.
	I'm like, oh.
	Okay, would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	Okay, I wrote on my answer.
	It kind of depends on the species of bear and the time of day.
	Because if I went into a man at like three in the morning, I'd be scared.
	People typically hike in the morning or afternoon.
	Hey, Felicity, can you take my seat for a sec?
	I feel like I'd be more scared to...
	I don't know.
	I mean, I guess it kind of, again, depends on the time of day.
	Like if we're going hypothetically, like generally, I guess.
	Like afternoon, when people usually hike.
	Then like a like I really wish I could be like bear, but like a man because why would you wish to say bear?
	Because like I don't know.
	Like I feel like if it were a bear again, it just depends on the context.
	Like if I ran into a man at three in a mor three in the morning.
	No, no, not three in the morning.
	But like, yeah, the man.
	Okay, but you said you wished you could pick bear.
	Why?
	Yeah.
	Because I feel like the point of that is like, you know, like rationality.
	Do you think the bear will be less of a raper?
	The point of that.
	Yeah, like the point of that question is like, yeah, that's the point of the question.
	Why would the man sexually assault you?
	It's very common.
	How common.
	Well, I've read it's one in four, but I think it's a lot higher because every woman I know has been sexually assaulted and a lot of men I know have also been sexually assaulted by men.
	So what do you think the percentage is?
	Like documented or undocumented.
	Just what do you think?
	I think it's got to be like, I don't think anyone in their life hasn't been sexually harassed or assaulted.
	In some way.
	Women are aware of that.
	So what do you think the percentage is?
	Yeah.
	My best friend was just sexually assaulted by a woman.
	Yes.
	Okay, but what do you think the percentage is?
	Did I ever say that?
	That's not possible.
	No, she didn't.
	What do you think the percentage is?
	No.
	Probably like 99.9%.
	What do you think that is?
	Wait, come on.
	Undocumented.
	99.9%.
	Out of 80%.
	Wait.
	Everyone.
	Like, out of everyone else.
	No, no, I'm not asking, like, who do you, how many people do you think have been assaulted?
	I'm asking, like, how many men do you think are likely to sexually, or have sexually assaulted someone?
	That's, like, a very, probably all of them.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Really?
	Even if it were unintentionally, like, yeah.
	So you think every single man that you've passed on the street, you think your dad has sexually assaulted someone?
	Do you have brothers?
	No.
	Do you have nephews, uncles?
	Yeah.
	You think they've sexually assaulted someone?
	I don't really trust that they haven't.
	Why?
	Why would you think that they have?
	Well, I wouldn't be like, oh, like, I wouldn't accuse them of that, but, like, I just think it's very, very common and unlikely that it wouldn't happen, you know?
	But you're saying you think 100% of men.
	Yeah.
	Do you know the actual statistic?
	I don't know the documented statistics, but also I know a lot of survivors are very scared to open up about it.
	Yeah, there's like undocumented, but what do you think the statistic is?
	Okay, again, 99.9.
	No, like real statistic.
	Do you think it's 99.9?
	No, 25%.
	I think the other panelists.
	Okay.
	Man or bear on a hike, random or random man or random bear on a hike.
	Well, I've been on hikes and I've come across random men, but I haven't come across a bear yet, so I would say the man.
	Okay.
	Man.
	Absolutely a man.
	Man.
	Man.
	A man.
	Okay, so you're the only one with a pick bear.
	I didn't pick bear, though.
	Well, you said bear.
	But why would you wish that?
	Because I get the point of that question is to, like.
	The point of that question is to, like.
	What's the point of the question?
	The point of the question is to, like, show that, you know.
	But what do you really feel if it is bear?
	I mean, because her response was basically around bear.
	It's like death or like trauma.
	Yeah.
	That's what you think.
	That's a bad or trauma.
	So you're saying that like every man that you pass on the street, you think they've sexually assaulted someone or would like to sexually assault you?
	Not necessarily me, but women probably, yeah.
	You said 99.9%.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that your career option that you have right now kind of like skews?
	That's a great point.
	You are constantly around men who are probably not like the nicest people on the planet.
	Yeah, but also every woman outside of it that I've met has been sexually assaulted and like a lot of men I've met have been sexually assaulted by men as well.
	But to say that every single man on the planet has sexually assaulted somebody?
	I'm not saying that's outrageous.
	Well, she asked if they have or have thought about it.
	No, I didn't say thought.
	I said, how many men do you think?
	And you said 99.9%.
	Sexual predators.
	That's ridiculous.
	Okay.
	But like you're saying that like you think even like your father has done that and like your uncles and nephews and such.
	I'm not going to accuse them again.
	But I'm just saying that it's probably like more likely than not.
	You know?
	Everybody answered.
	They all said man besides.
	But I did say she said man.
	She's a man.
	She just said that 99.9%.
	No, she said man.
	At first she said man, then she said, I wish I could pick bear.
	And then she went on to say that she thinks like 99.9% of men are sexual predators.
	I see.
	Even her family members.
	Oh.
	I'm not saying like they are.
	I'm just saying it's very like, I don't want to think they're not.
	Do you think they would be offended if like they heard you saying that?
	I'm not accusing them of anything.
	I'm just saying I don't trust men.
	You're not accusing, you're not accusing what you're saying you wouldn't be surprised.
	It's like because they're men.
	Like what if I was like, I wouldn't be surprised if you were a neo-Nazi?
	Isn't that kind of weird?
	Right.
	I mean, but yeah, you don't know like.
	Based on her experiences and where she works, people she surrounds herself with, I can understand where she comes to this conclusion.
	Unfortunately.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	So, that's just from my trouble.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	...up to $500 in super chats per day.
	Yo, Pasty George, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Guys, if the TTS has come through, please don't talk over it.
	That is a good point.
	I know that YouTube has limits, but I think we could still do it, I guess.
	Sorry, guys, I had to step away there.
	So some of these are coming in a little bit late.
	Azil's donated $200.
	Brian, you're a six.
	Don't be so harsh.
	Height is a factor.
	Six FT1 is beyond above average, so it evens out.
	Thank you, man.
	Billy Jean.
	Go.
	Thriller.
	Yeah, I know Billie Jean.
	Thriller.
	It's October.
	I guess thriller.
	Do you know who Michael Jackson is?
	Yes, I do.
	Yeah, you're 18, right?
	So I don't know.
	Do they?
	I think everyone knows who Michael Jackson is.
	But I feel like...
	How is he not...
	Do you know the Beatles?
	Oh, God.
	Yes.
	Is this patronizing?
	Is this picture?
	Wait, where are you?
	I've talked to younger people and they're like, Nirvana, who's that?
	Well, I just said a Michael Jackson song and we're like the same age.
	Well, Felicity, you are weird.
	I think I'm normal.
	I have like four Aussie Osborne tattoos.
	Corey, thank you for Corey.
	Thank you.
	Did that come through from Corey, Nick?
	Corey, thank you for the, it looks like you bought on Mert a hoodie.
	Thank you.
	Oh, that was.
	My point is.
	Hey, you need to send in $200 to actually have that question be read out loud and then have it be said.
	$200.04 to be exact.
	That was.
	My point is, because of my trauma, I don't trust any man no matter.
	You only gave $10, buddy.
	You need to step up your game and then we'll talk about your question.
	Here's my issue with that.
	Is what if we extend this justification to race?
	Say somebody's been traumatized by a black person.
	Does your statement that you made about men all of a sudden transmute into a racist one if you say, Well, I've had trauma from black people.
	Therefore, I think this about black people, is it racist?
	Definitely.
	So, are you sexist against men?
	I guess this specific view comes from trauma and it is misandry.
	Oh, it is misandry.
	Yeah, which is sexist.
	Are you misandrist?
	Not like generally, no, but I think when it comes to trusting men, my trust for men's at a zero, which could be viewed as sexist or misandrist, you know, okay.
	So, you would consider yourself a misandrist then?
	That's not necessarily what I said.
	Well, okay, in some, you're not, you don't take on the title in total, no, but you have misandrist positions.
	Is that one which is my lack of trust for men?
	I think in any other regard, no, but I think I've had a lot of negative experiences with men that makes me think that way.
	And I think misogynistic men also have trauma with women that make them misogynistic.
	I think also statistically, though, like your point of view is supported because you can fact-check me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure 82% of like minors who get assaulted are women, and 90% of like assault cases are women, and like more than 95% of sexual assaults are men.
	So, I feel like if you do have like a distrust for men, like it's it is backed by statistics, yeah, but this justification, um, even if it is the case, and mind you, a lot of these uh, you know, these stats are misrepresented, they're they can oftentimes be false, but just for the sake of argument, I'll go ahead and grant that, yeah, men are overrepresented in certain crime statistics.
	Sure, let's grant it.
	I, yeah, we'll grant it, it's probably true, although I do think a lot of these statistics are mischaracterized.
	For example, women will say, Well, the majority of people who commit the crime of rape are men.
	Well, if by the definition, the legal, the criminal legal definition of rape prevents women from being deemed as committing that crime, while we as a society might say, Well, somebody who's, you know, like a woman who takes advantage of somebody, like we would call her a rapist.
	Criminally, it doesn't always work out that way.
	So, if you actually look in these jurisdictions, women can't be convicted for the crime of rape.
	Are you joking?
	No, are you joking?
	That's fucked up.
	I'm just saying, that's really fucked up.
	You can look into it.
	So, if the crime of rape, you as the perpetrator have to penetrate them, then women, I guess, technically, like if you were to stick, I don't want to get detailed.
	If you want to, like, put your finger, you know, whatever, like if you penetrate somebody as a woman without their consent under that circumstance, but like, for example, made to penetrate wouldn't be, wouldn't constitute rape.
	The fuck?
	That's just how it is.
	But so, when these statistics are presented, and like when I see the definition of a fact-check you, like, I'm sorry, I just like that's mind-blowing.
	Do you think it's not the case?
	I think it's so fucked up.
	That's fucked up.
	Yeah, it is fucked up, but it is the case in a lot of jurisdictions where women can't be found criminally liable, criminally guilty for the crime of rape.
	It's definitely harder.
	I think unless they be.
	They can be found guilty of other sex crimes, but the specific crime of rape in certain jurisdictions, you have to penetrate something of your own body parts.
	I mean, you can penetrate a man with something forcibly.
	You can.
	But like, for example, like if a woman holds a guy's arms down and he's clearly not consenting and she has a gun and she forces him to penetrate her under threat, like coercive or violence.
	Yeah, that's different.
	That would not be considered rape.
	Yeah.
	It would be considered some other sex rape.
	But if she held him down and forcibly penetrated him with something, would that be rape?
	My understanding, yes, that would be rape.
	But most rapes that, well, I would view it as rape if a woman forces a man to penetrate her.
	But criminally speaking.
	You're saying no reverse rape.
	Reverse rape doesn't exist is what they're saying.
	Well, there, and by the way, the definitions vary by jurisdiction.
	But in any case, to the central point, you were saying a little bit of a tangent there.
	You were saying, well, it is the case that men commit these crimes more frequently.
	Well, my first point would be, it's a really small proportion of men.
	And so while it is in this, I'll grant it, while it might be true that men commit these crimes more frequently, a really, really small percentage of men commit these crimes.
	And I think it is bigotry to attribute to the group the behavior of a criminal minority of that group.
	In the same way, like, for example, the other complexity here is it then creates the opening, I guess you could say, for racists to say, well, hold on.
	This race commits more crimes than this race.
	This minority group commits more crimes than Asian people.
	And there are crime statistics that do account for race, right?
	Well, they factor this in.
	And so what is stopping an Asian person from justifying their racism towards black people by saying, well, hold on.
	And by the way, when it comes to almost all crimes across the board, Asian people commit these crimes the least, right?
	But they could look to white people.
	They could look to black people.
	They could look to Hispanic people and say, well, hold on.
	I'm Asian.
	Black people commit these violent crimes more frequently than Asian people do.
	You would agree, though, that to say, make some sort of blanket general statement about black people would be racist, right?
	Do you?
	I don't know.
	Maybe you're like, I'm fine with it, actually.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not racist.
	No, no, but would you agree that it wouldn't be fair to paint all black people as, you know, to start having bigotry or contempt or racist sentiment towards black people despite the factual crime statistics that per capita, they do engage in certain crime more than other races.
	I just kind of forgot the question, but I'm just saying.
	We were talking about, it sounded like you were saying, well, she's kind of justified.
	Even if she didn't have her own trauma, I have stats.
	I have crime statistics, and it shows that men commit these crimes more often than women.
	98% of perpetrators of this crime are men.
	And you're essentially trying to get to, well, that's the justification for women's lack of trust in men or whatever it is, bigotry.
	The difference is, is I would say, while we can acknowledge that crime statistics are true and that there are discrepancies between men and women, even between races, that I would never go, even though, for example, black people commit more violent crime than whites or Asians.
	I would never say, well, we should treat the entire group.
	We should treat this entire group and appraise them generally and appraise an individual black person who we don't know anything about as potentially being more violent.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you have a counter to this?
	Or?
	Well, do you want to like revise your position or do you think it's what do you think?
	I don't know.
	I don't really have any more comments on it.
	But I mean, so I guess what were you trying to get at by saying, well, men commit these crimes more?
	I just wanted to bring up the statistic that it is like a 90% plus statistic for like sexual assault and that it's like committed by men.
	So like if you do take that into account, I'm not saying that all men do this or that woman can't be like sexual predators.
	I'm just saying that like I would understand why she has trust issues just based on like statistical maybe like you know her own experiences.
	Can I ask you this though?
	If a white person had their own individual traumatic experience with a black person, maybe one, maybe two, maybe three, and then they also showed you, hey, look at these crime statistics right here.
	Would you understand their racism?
	Not really.
	Like, would you just, do you think their racism is justified?
	No.
	So why is sexism towards men justified?
	I don't think it's sexism.
	I think it's just.
	Well, you tell me what it is.
	i wouldn't call it sexism i'm not saying that all men are like well here was your framing you You said you understand why she doesn't trust.
	Was that the right word?
	She doesn't trust men.
	Well, I'll just use the exact same language, but input race.
	Would you say you understand a white person who doesn't trust black people because they've been victimized by a black person and they would show you, and they can show you, trust me, crime statistics that show that black people per capita commit certain crimes disproportionately and commit crimes more often than white people or Asian people.
	Would you understand why somebody wouldn't trust a black person?
	I guess logically, yes, I would, but for me personally, like it would be different.
	It's different.
	Well, it just, it's just different.
	But that's where you and me differ.
	Where I would say, well, no, I don't think you should make generalized statements about black people or any other minority group, just as you shouldn't make these statements about men.
	Look, I think your position is a bit untenable.
	You're going to have to either revise your position and say that, you know what, Brian, you're right, we shouldn't make these bigoted comments or whatever.
	Or These attitudes towards men are not really justified, or you're going to have to open the floodgates to justified racism.
	There's no way around it.
	I mean, that's the logical extension of your position.
	I had bad experience with this group of this person who belongs to this group.
	I have crime statistics that show this group does this, commits X crime more often.
	That's the opening.
	So will you stand with me against racism and sexism?
	Or will you allow for exceptions to sexism and racism so long as somebody has personally been victimized and they can show you crime statistics?
	I guess I'll stand with you and not allow any sexism.
	Okay, all right, there we go.
	All right, good times.
	Okay.
	Well, I have a question.
	Into the mic if you can.
	Oh, sorry.
	Would you, like, are you a feminist?
	No.
	So you're misogynistic?
	Well, how does that mean?
	Explain that, though.
	What do you mean?
	Do you know the definition of feminism?
	I have two of my own definitions for it.
	Three different phases of it.
	Hold on, let me.
	Wait, hold on.
	Let me play this.
	Absil's donated $200.
	And then we'll get into that.
	Don't test me.
	Michael is the most famous person to step foot on earth to this day.
	Thriller is the GOAT album.
	Still the highest selling.
	Knew you were a Swifty Bryant.
	Okay.
	Hashtag free for listeners.
	You're right.
	I'm a Swifty.
	Thank you.
	That's not nice.
	So sorry, what were you saying?
	The definition of feminism.
	You tell me your definition and I'll give you mine.
	The advocacy of women's rights and equal rights between genders.
	Okay.
	Well, I disagree with your definition, but I'll give you two.
	I'll give you the charitable definition, which I don't think is actually the case.
	The first definition of feminism that I would give is women's advocacy, period.
	So that's the first half of your definition.
	So even my charitable definition, feminism absolutely is never about equality.
	Feminism is about women's advocacy.
	And to be clear, there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy.
	However, let's not parade around feminism as if it were actually at all interested in equality.
	Why is it not?
	Well, for example, I don't typically hear feminists ever doing any advocacy for men.
	The advocacy that they support, again, nothing wrong with this, but if we're using terms like equality, it should actually meet the criteria and definition for equality.
	Feminists never really advocate for men.
	Feminists dismiss, downplay, omit ways in which men could conceivably have things worse.
	There's plenty of statistics that actually can back this up: that in many, many ways, men things have it worse than women.
	I think men and women each respectively have their own difficulties and struggles in life.
	100%.
	Right, but feminists actually refuse to acknowledge them because it would completely dismantle and crumble the fantasy of what they've attempted to construct as women victims, women oppressed, men perpetrators, men predators, men oppressors.
	Let me finish really quick though.
	In any situation, and here's the really the killer.
	If there was a scenario where achieving equality came to the detriment of women, feminists wouldn't fight for it.
	And there are ways in which equality, like we're not equal, that would equalize us, where feminists would actively, because it's women's advocacy, right?
	Where women would stand to it would come to the detriment of women in some way.
	So for example, often in the court system, there's massive bias against men.
	There's a lot of bias against men.
	If we saw, for example, while we wanted to try to equalize, you know, the when we dispense punishments for crimes, well, there seems to be clear evidence that men receive harsher punishments for crimes.
	More fines, more jail time, longer probation, more likely to be convicted, all these sorts of things, right?
	Also, in the like the family court system, civil court system, when it comes to family law, there is quite a bit of bias in the law against men.
	You see this in divorce.
	Now, I'm not saying some women here have been divorced.
	I'm not, maybe your divorce didn't go so great.
	I'm not saying that it's always the case, but there's definitely, for example, when it comes to child custody, there's a lot of assumptions made about the shoot, what's the word?
	There's a lot of assumptions made about men's trying to think what the right word is here.
	Capacity.
	No, not capacity.
	Yeah, I agree.
	What's that name?
	I agree with you.
	No, not that.
	There's a lot of assumptions made about men's, I guess, lack of... Duty, capability.
	No, that's not it.
	Fuck.
	Describe what it is.
	Like ability, capacity, but it's not quite that.
	Oh, shit.
	It's on the tip of my tongue.
	And I'm the type of person I can't move away from it until I figure it out.
	Men's aptitude.
	Give me synonyms for aptitude.
	Yo, you're not, I mean, you're Googling it.
	Maybe the, where's the chat?
	I'm trying to see.
	Come on, Nick.
	Come on, Nick.
	You should be a blocking dictionary here.
	Proficiency?
	Maybe, whatever.
	Anyways, yeah, there's massive bias.
	And so, for example, in Florida, I recall the court system was trying to make it so that when there's like a split, like, you know, there's a child custody dispute, there are court systems in the United States where the courts would defer to giving the mom custody.
	And they were less likely to give husbands custody.
	I don't know the exact, obviously there's so many jurisdictions.
	It's very bad in Pennsylvania, too.
	Right.
	And so we saw women's organizations and really big ones.
	I don't want to misquote.
	I believe I could be wrong.
	I think it was a national organization for women or maybe one of these other ones in Florida fighting against equal custody.
	What?
	Sorry.
	You don't have to.
	Okay.
	Equal custody.
	Distribute.
	That's not the right word.
	Equal custody in Florida.
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't it be equal if men and women, when they're going through a dispute, shouldn't it just default to 50-50 custody?
	I think so.
	Okay, it wasn't the case in Florida, and feminists fought against it.
	That's fucked up.
	Yeah.
	So this idea that feminism is about equality, and then obviously the big one, military conscription.
	Women have had the vote for 100 years.
	For men to get the vote, they had to fight and die for their country.
	Men are subject to the selective service system.
	In order to be able to vote, you have to register for the selective service system.
	This is something that only applies to men.
	Women have feminists have had 100 years to equalize the draft.
	I don't see any feminist organizations ever saying, hey, you know what?
	We really don't want to go to war, but for the sake of equality, we're going to try to equalize the draft because that would be equal.
	Equal.
	That would be equality.
	Yeah.
	So feminism is women's advocacy.
	It definitely doesn't give a fuck about equality unless that equality benefits women.
	Then you'll fight for equality.
	I think any equality that could conceivably detriment women, child custody stuff, draft, military, all this shit.
	They don't give a fuck.
	Well, I think you're speaking for corrupt groups, to be honest, and those are chauvinists.
	Well, hold on.
	They think women are better than men.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	Feminism is equality between genders, and a true feminist would fight for equality.
	Okay, well, we're doing like no true Scotsman.
	I'm not interested in dictionary definitions.
	Dictionary definitions can be wrong.
	I'm pretty sure, like, I don't know if one of these woke dictionaries tried to change the definition of what a woman is.
	In any case, I'm interested in the fruits of feminism.
	I don't care.
	Like, for example, right?
	Politicians lie.
	Can feminists lie?
	100%.
	Everyone can lie.
	So it's very like a virtue signal to say, I believe in equality.
	But if you look at their fruits, the fruits of feminism, the product of feminism, I never actually see any advocation towards any sort of equality where women could be disadvantaged or inconvenienced by equality.
	They won't fight for it.
	They won't fight for it.
	I mean, I'm going to have to say that's chauvinism, though.
	Because like, okay.
	That's like a radical feminist, you know what I mean?
	Because like, I don't know, like true, true feminists would fight for equality between genders, and I think that's like a misconception in the media.
	Well, I mean, it's just a, it's a no-true Scotsman fallacy.
	This idea that, well, you know, those feminists, like the 99% of feminists that you're talking about, Brian, there are those like few good feminists.
	Eh, no.
	I've never seen feminists ever advocate for military conscription for women.
	I've never seen feminists ever advocate for equality where women somehow are disadvantaged or inconvenienced or it strips them of some privilege that they've had in society.
	Well, then that needs to change because that's not true feminism.
	Well, feminists have had well over 100 years to do this, but they don't.
	None of the mainstream feminist organizations.
	Mainstream.
	Yeah, shouldn't the mainstream feminist organizations that like have the political capital and the influence and the funding and the money, shouldn't they be the ones who are advocating for equality?
	Yeah, because that's true feminism.
	Okay, so 99% of feminists are not feminists then?
	Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying because true feminism is like fighting for equal rights between the genders.
	Yeah, but that would just be egalitarianism.
	Like it's funny.
	It's in the word itself, feminism.
	Feminism, feminine.
	It's in the word.
	The word itself clearly would point towards we don't care about equality.
	We want, again, nothing wrong with it.
	We want to secure benefits, privileges, rights for women.
	We want to do women's advocacy.
	That's it.
	It's not about equality.
	It's fighting for women's rights to be equal to men, but we're already equal to them.
	I have a question about the draft.
	I guess for Brian and everyone else, do you think, like, if, say, women were drafted, do you think they should be on the front lines?
	No.
	Or like more in hospitality type or like the kitchen.
	Administrative or something.
	Something else.
	But do you think they should be on the front lines?
	I guess I don't have a stance on that, but like, why not?
	If they're more qualified than others, then yeah.
	Well, I think that's more about like physical strength.
	Yeah.
	Our bodies don't, we're different from men.
	So XD donated $200.
	Sorry for the delay, man.
	If you normalize for sexually coercive acts, forced to penetrate acts, etc., women account for 30 to 50% of perpetrators of grape.
	I'm sure this will shock many women, which is your privilege talking.
	But Brian, what do you think about my question?
	I'm genuinely curious.
	Your question being that should women be on the front line if they do get drafted?
	Yeah.
	Well, by the way, a curious guy, I think for the merch, the merch thing came up, Nick.
	Yeah, thank you for the, it looks like you bought a hoodie.
	Thank you, man.
	Well, first off, I think it's really unlikely that we're going to ever equalize the draft.
	If, like, if it would still be unequal, because even if we did, I think what we would see is that even if women did get drafted, they would overwhelmingly be put in support roles by the military, unless there was like some, as part of the draft, women were also compelled to fight.
	Well, I was asking, like, do you think they should be on the front lines or in like other positions?
	So practically speaking, no.
	They shouldn't be frontline.
	But if you're the opposing party, you're going to want them on the front line, but I wouldn't want that.
	For the sake of equality, and if equality is important, put them on the fucking front line.
	But we're not, men and women are not equal physically.
	Like, men are typically generally stronger than women.
	So could that possibly make the military weaker?
	I think as an American man, do you want women fighting on the front line to protect us as American citizens?
	Yeah, in terms of combat readiness, yeah, you typically don't want women on the front lines.
	They're just, they're not as physically strong as men.
	They're more prone to injury.
	You know, it's just, we see this in sports even.
	You look at like really fast, is it fast twitch?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Women are more prone to certain like knee injuries, these sorts of things, just because men are a little sturdier in terms of skeletal, skeletal, musculos, muscular.
	It's a word sallie.
	Muscular.
	Musculoskeletal system.
	So, and you know, you're in certain military situations, you're fucking sprinting and running and carrying a backpack and all this shit.
	But in any case, yeah, men are better suited.
	But I mean, if we want to live in a feminist utopian society, then yeah, women should probably die.
	I don't want to live in that kind of society.
	I do not.
	I mean, if we uphold equality as this virtue in society, and it's like, should female soldiers even be paid as much as men?
	Like in the volunteer force?
	Like, I'm pretty sure, look, I'm not a military guy.
	Maybe any military people in the chat can weigh in.
	My understanding is, is if you're in like active combat, right, guys, you're getting paid higher, correct?
	You're getting paid more if you're actually in combat, right, chat?
	Military guys.
	But like, if you're a, I don't know, sergeant first class and you guys are just kicking it, whatever, and there's a woman who's, or is it sergeant first class or private?
	This is the wrong thing.
	Wait, hold on.
	Bro, sorry.
	I don't know if you're a fucking...
	I don't know the ranking.
	Is it sergeant first class?
	Is that even a fucking rank?
	No.
	No, hazardous combat pay, hazardous duty pay.
	I don't know.
	If you got two captain.
	I'm trying to think of non-officer roles.
	Oh.
	Private first class?
	Private first class?
	Sergeant first class?
	I don't know.
	I know that.
	I know that's the derogatory term, boot, when they call someone.
	But like, if you're not in active combat, military people in the chat, men and women get paid the same, right?
	In the military.
	Like, if you're just the same rank, you get paid the same, right?
	All right?
	Chat.
	I wish I could see this.
	I'd love to know that.
	I would love to see the chat.
	So anyways, what was the question?
	Okay, well, you're a feminist, right?
	I'm into the mic.
	I'm not getting an equal rights.
	Into them.
	Into the mic.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	But yeah, yeah.
	And number two, please.
	I believe men and women should definitely have equal rights.
	Should men or should women be drafted?
	Yeah.
	Okay, but they're not.
	That's not equal.
	Yeah, it's not equal.
	Okay.
	Why wouldn't, like, why would I say no to that?
	I'm just saying, and I do think that it should be 50%.
	Should women in the WNBA be paid the same as men in the NBA?
	Yeah.
	No, they shouldn't because the viewers.
	Let's get everybody's answer really quick.
	Yeah, fuck you.
	What do you think?
	No, I don't think so.
	No, because it loses money, right?
	No one watches the WNBA.
	No.
	No one.
	No.
	If they have the same viewership, yes, but they don't.
	They don't.
	And that's why it's lower.
	No, they shouldn't.
	Okay.
	So you think they should be paid the same?
	Yeah.
	It's the same sport.
	But the way they get paid is on popularity and viewership.
	Orthons are different too.
	Lose money for different players.
	The NBA helps support the WNBA, don't they?
	Yeah, they take the money to the business.
	What's the least paid team?
	I don't know.
	On which in the NBA.
	What's your point?
	I don't know.
	What's the least paid team?
	It just depends on the team.
	Depends on how many of them are.
	I think the Golden State Warriors.
	I don't know how to do it.
	No, I don't think so.
	I don't know.
	If they're the least viewed, then they should be getting paid.
	I mean, I think they all get paid based on their viewership in general with any sort of budget of the New York Times.
	I mean, the Lakers.
	Actually, let me go to baseball.
	The Chicago White Sox are not going to be paid the same way as the Dodgers unless.
	Unless the White Sox win.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	What is the base pay of a WNBA player versus the base pay of an NBA player?
	I know it's substantial.
	I think NBA is double and or no, triple is going to be way more than WNBA is double digit.
	I think some of them get paid like, I don't know, 70,000, 80,000 in the WNBA.
	yeah but it's okay you're asking though about what's the least paid team in the nba what does that have to do with well if they have the least amount of viewers then do you think every team deserves to be paid differently in the nba well Well, different teams and different players are compensated differently.
	Like LeBron James gets paid way more than some rookie.
	You think that's fair?
	Yeah.
	Of course, he's a better player.
	He's bringing eyeballs.
	He has.
	It's like the same thing in any career.
	You're going to have to work your way up.
	Question for you.
	Should an extra on the set of a Quentin Tarantino movie be paid the same as Brad Pitt?
	They're doing less work.
	But you're a dancer, so when you go to work at night, do you think everyone should pull tips or do you think that you should keep what you earned based on your performance?
	Everyone should pull tips for sure.
	Oh, hell no.
	Do they?
	Wait, what do you mean pull tips?
	Like, get money?
	That means everyone puts their money in the middle.
	Oh, no.
	Hell no.
	Okay, that's the same thing.
	Yeah, but they're doing the same job.
	They're also fucking taking their clothes off and checking their buddies.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's performance-based.
	Yeah, I guess you're right.
	Like, what if you're just the best stripper at the strip club and you got some rookie girl in there that doesn't know how to finesse these dudes into getting the private dances?
	You know, she doesn't have that.
	She doesn't have the fucking aura.
	You have the aura.
	All the men, when they come to the step club, you get the dances.
	She's a rookie.
	She's like, you know what, though?
	I want to be paid the same as you.
	But we get paid hourly in California.
	Yeah, but you also get your payment.
	But you get your tips.
	So I worked at a nightclub in Miami.
	It was called Live, and we used to make a ton of money.
	And each section depended on, I mean, you could make 30 grand in one night.
	Were you a bottle girl?
	Yeah, I opened the nightclub.
	I went there and I ran the bottle service program.
	I trained all the girls myself.
	So it was great.
	I made 30 grand in one night.
	It was fantastic.
	And the other girls in other sections started to get a little pissed off.
	And they ran to the owner.
	I said, Gretman, I want to make more money.
	So then they changed the rules after the Super Bowl.
	And they're like, you know what?
	No matter what section you're in, no matter how much service you're doing, everyone's going to put their tips all together and everyone's going to go home an equal amount.
	That's annoying.
	No one wanted to work hard anymore.
	No one wanted to work their clients anymore because what's the point?
	Right.
	That's the same thing with the sports aspect.
	But granted, maybe you didn't realize that because I kind of think it's like a little different.
	I don't think it's a job.
	It's a career.
	What about you said you do OF kind of?
	Fucking barely, yeah.
	Well, okay.
	Like, you know, Sophie Rain, that girl who's allegedly made like tens of millions of dollars.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Kind of briefly.
	There's this girl, OF.
	She's made millions of dollars, millions of dollars, right?
	Can I start an OnlyFans and go to Sophie Rain and say, you know what?
	I want to be paid as much as you.
	She'd probably be like, if you work for it, then you can.
	No, but I want equal pay from OF.
	Is it because I'm not as I don't have as many followers as Sophie Rain?
	Is it because she's offering a different product?
	Maybe she's a better person.
	Work straight away.
	Men probably do.
	And some men probably make far less money in sex work than women do.
	100%.
	Well, yeah, like men probably should get paid half of like and the women should subsidize the male sex workers.
	There we go.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm just saying.
	Wait, what's subsidy?
	Sorry.
	She's considering that.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just saying that men should be like, paid half of like, if you make a porno with a woman, she should give you half of what she makes off of that porno.
	What I mean, like why, though?
	What do you mean?
	Why your body's in it, like you're yeah, but if like, that's what the market you know, if it costs more to she's getting you the exposure you know with that.
	No, that Sophie, what was her name?
	Sophie Rains.
	So if, let's say, you're doing like a little thing with her and she's got a bunch of viewers that she built up over time, but it's still half yours like, it's still the porno, still half the gun with her, I could be wrong, but I think so from the government of Canada.
	I need to fix that delay.
	Thank you, Men.
	Butting the, once a prominent feminist but now an advocate for men's rights, states that feminism is no longer about equality but about advantaging women at the expense of men and demonizing men.
	That's misandry.
	Well, can I ask you a question?
	Let's, let's dive into this a little bit here, off of the way.
	Fix it.
	Yeah, we can probably know.
	I like, I.
	I want to give you props because I see you actually like diving deeper, beyond what you feel in a conversation when you first initiate it or talk into it, and I appreciate it.
	Yeah you're you're, you're being reasonable um, not gonna be under this mark my words.
	Yeah, in your notes you say you'd love to talk about how Brian gets feminism confused with misandry.
	Yeah, feminism is equality of the sexes and the advocacy of women's rights, and misandry is hatred of men and ultimately, you can't be a feminist if you don't advocate for equality and put one below or above the each other.
	Well, this is kind of like communism.
	So like in a perfect world, I guess, you know, with perfect actors, communism I guess could work, but humans are imperfect, right?
	So this utopian society or whatever like, how do you factor for greed?
	How do you factor for crime?
	How do you factor for people who are corrupt?
	How do you factor for people who are going to abuse the system that you know requires everybody to be acting like, in a really perfect or close to perfect manner?
	Um, so it's kind of like feminists really aren't that way.
	I do disagree with your definition.
	I gave you my first definition.
	My second definition is, feminism is women's advocacy and then, bundled in with that, is misandry, and the two are basically inextricably inextricable, blah blah.
	Inextricably linked.
	They're intertwined.
	You can't you ever had like Chinese finger trap.
	You can't pull your fingers out they're, they're connected and you can't remove it.
	You can't remove it.
	You can't remove the anti-male component of feminism.
	Oh, yes, you agree?
	No, no, I was just like, listening to you.
	Oh, you're listening to the pressure.
	Okay, sure, sure, sure.
	Sorry.
	So, practically speaking, even if feminism isn't inherently male, which I would argue it is, I said that the fruits of feminism are totally contrary to this.
	Why is it the case that so many women who are exposed to feminism end up having sexist views towards men who hold anti-male positions, who espouse anti-male rhetoric?
	Ultimately, we can talk about definitions all day.
	If in practice, what we see, the fruits of feminism are the product, the end result of feminism, is, hey, this is a really good method to basically make women hate men.
	That's what we see.
	Well, I can see how, like, I've been hearing you speak, and I can hear why you feel that way, because you haven't witnessed it any other way.
	I've had a lot of self-proclaimed feminists on.
	I mean, look, we can just test it out, though.
	Let's test it out.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy?
	Like, do I believe it exists?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Is patriarchy and the patriarchy theory a core tenant of feminism?
	Yeah.
	Like, if you take a feminism 101 class in college, you get an introductory feminism textbook, it's going to talk about patriarchy.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Perfect.
	Okay.
	So that's the patriarchy is the overarching framework that feminist, the feminist lens views everything through, right?
	What is patriarchy?
	It's the hierarchy of men, right?
	Yeah, what about the hierarchy?
	Like, I'd say we live in a very male-ran society.
	Male-ran society.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Under this patriarchy, under this male-ran society, are women as a group oppressed?
	I'd say yes.
	Okay.
	Like in history, yes.
	Historically.
	Historically.
	Yeah.
	Historically, yeah.
	Right.
	And even if it might not be the case now, although many feminists still claim that women are oppressed, even in the United States.
	I do think in some countries, very much.
	Yeah, for sure.
	What about the USA, though?
	Are women oppressed in the U.S.?
	it depends on like the context you know i think like in some way are women oppressed I'd say yeah.
	Okay.
	And then historically and then current day, even though you seem to acknowledge that in the past women were more oppressed.
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	Sure.
	And now they're still oppressed, but not as much.
	Is that fair?
	Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
	Who's the oppressor?
	I'd say it's society as a whole.
	But it's a patriarchy.
	So men?
	Not necessary.
	I think it comes from men and women.
	Well, but if I'm just going to be honest, but you said male-run society.
	Yeah.
	If the men run the patriarchy, if women as a group are the oppressor class, men as a group are what?
	Are they the oppressor class?
	Yeah.
	Or sorry, did I say women are the oppressor?
	Women are the oppressed class.
	I might have misspoken there.
	That's okay.
	Are men the oppressor class?
	I'd say yes, but also women oppress each other.
	I see.
	Okay.
	What are you supposed to do and think about your oppressor group?
	I think.
	Are you supposed to treat them well?
	Why not?
	You're oppressed.
	Why not educate them?
	Or, like, try to do that.
	Maybe that's your perspective.
	But do you think if you tell somebody, hey, by the way, you are being oppressed by this group, they want you to be slaves, they want you to have less rights, they want you to be subservient, and you know, they want to hold you down while elevating themselves.
	Maybe you're like this, you know, hippie, peace, love, blah, blah, blah.
	But do you think if you tell some people that, they're going to be like maybe have bad feelings towards that group?
	Oh, yeah, I definitely think that's a thing for sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	So if you wholesale tell women, and this is this isn't like some fringe thing, like women who go to college learn this.
	It's all over social media.
	Feminism is the mainstream narrative.
	If you tell women that, by the way, men throughout all of human history have been abusive, they've been predators, they've mistreated you, they've taken away your rights.
	And even still today, today, they still think XYZ bad thing about you.
	You're oppressed.
	Men are oppressors as a group.
	You must strive to overcome.
	You must strive to overthrow.
	You don't think that, you know, maybe the women are going to not have a really positive attitude towards men?
	Yeah, but I also think there's a different approach to it.
	Like, if I was genuinely oppressed, genuinely, genuinely oppressed, not through the framework of like feminism, oh my god, oppression, blah, blah, blah.
	I would be like, yo, we're slaves.
	We're going to overthrow these people by any means necessary, even if it means violence.
	Well, I don't ever, I mean, I'm a hippie, but I don't think violence is ever okay, you know?
	Like, I think.
	But I'm talking genuine oppression here, not like, oh, like, not like these sort of vague, like, I really want to be a victim.
	Like, oh no, I a man wants to take care of me and I don't have to work.
	Oh, that's a that's a big story.
	That's a big component of feminism.
	Uh, freeing, you, you've uh you've basically fought against this traditional dynamic that men and women used to have.
	Women were central to the household taking care of the children, men went out into the world and worked.
	Hey, look, I'm fine with women working, but I don't consider like men, I don't consider it necessarily oppression that women didn't have to work and men had to work.
	Like, in fact, I think that's actually perhaps even more oppressive.
	Okay, men didn't have the choice either.
	Like, you think men back in the day when it was deemed oppressive could be like, you know what?
	I just don't want to work.
	I just want to rely on a woman.
	I'll raise the children.
	Men don't didn't have a choice either.
	And women, like if back in the day, they wouldn't entertain that sort of gender dynamic.
	So women upheld this, their own, I guess, from your purview, their own oppression by refusing to date men that didn't want to work.
	We weren't allowed to work.
	We weren't even allowed to work, though.
	Well, that's not actually.
	What are you saying?
	Stop.
	That's actually not true.
	Women were never legally barred from working.
	Women could work at any point in human history.
	We weren't even allowed to get an education.
	That's not true.
	That is true.
	Not true.
	Women could go to college.
	There was no legal prevention from women going to college.
	There are some institutions that I guess didn't allow women in.
	But also, if you look at how many people actually went to college, you know, college was reserved for like the mostly like pretty elite people.
	It depends how far back in history we're going.
	Depends how far back.
	But like, think about it this way.
	If back in the day there was a gender expectation for women to get pregnant, and hundreds of years, like 100 years ago or whatever, if we look at the mortality rate of women who give birth, like just practically speaking, let's say you have one daughter, one son, and back then the expectation for both your children is they're gonna have they're gonna get married and have children in their early to mid-20s, maybe even younger.
	If knowing back historically that women did run a risk of death when giving birth to children, like should we then invest that money?
	Like if you could only send one of your kids to college, but we know for certain both of them are gonna have children, does it make sense to send the person who's more likely to just die while giving childbirth?
	Does that make sense?
	That is so morbid.
	I don't even know how to answer that if it wasn't.
	But these are real.
	But hold on.
	Historically, these are just realistic considerations that people took in terms of how should we invest our money into our children?
	How should somebody invest their money?
	And then just beyond that, if the expectation was, societally back then, you might say you disagree, but if the expectation was, well, hold on, this woman's going to have like four, five, six, seven children.
	Let me, as the man who doesn't have to carry the burden of carrying a pregnancy for months, giving, you know, recovering from childbirth, wouldn't it make sense to be like, you know what?
	Let's send the men to do work and let's set the men up so that they can do that?
	Wouldn't that make sense, sadly?
	I kind of don't think so because like I think, I don't know, just women deserve to be as educated as men, especially back in the day because we're very important to them.
	Yeah, so me personally, I'm fine with women having the choice.
	Yeah.
	But I don't care.
	I don't categorize women.
	Like I almost view it as a bit of a privilege that women didn't have to work.
	Now you've basically found yourselves in situations.
	And also, I don't really understand this.
	Would you trust relying on a woman for your living?
	What do you mean?
	Like today, modern society.
	In the modern day, say you were jobless and you had no one to go to but your hypothetical girlfriend.
	Yeah, but this is interesting because I would argue that your husband is, I mean, look, there's a lot of issues currently with dynamics between men and women with marriage.
	But I think your husband had lost a job, though.
	What if you lost your, what if you, yeah, what if you lost your job?
	You can lose your life.
	And the girlfriend had a job and you were, you'd both have to rely on her.
	Do you think that's right?
	And would you trust that?
	Like, would you trust financially relying on a woman entirely?
	Wait, are you trying to be like, well, this is what women go through?
	Not necessarily.
	I mean, I'm just playing the devil's advocate here, I guess.
	Like, roles reverse, do you think anyone should have to financially and entirely rely on someone?
	Because what if they're like a shitty person?
	You don't love them.
	They're abusive.
	Like, there's so many with them.
	Yeah, you shouldn't have to be.
	You should not entirely, like, financially rely on someone.
	They can hold it over your head.
	Financial abuse is real.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, of course it is.
	There's so many things that could go wrong.
	But I don't understand this argument because all sorts of bad things can happen in corporations.
	You can be sexually harassed in a corporation.
	You can be, I suppose, there's ways in which, like, you know, your corporation goes bankrupt and they can't pay you your wages.
	Like, bad things can also happen when you're working.
	Ultimately, though, you guys have traded being submissive to your husband to being submissive to an employer, to being submissive to a cold, heartless corporation that will absolutely fire you.
	Like, corporations will never show you.
	Like, look, I know there's bad men out there, but there's also wonderful, good men out there.
	And a corporation will never, ever, if you have a good man, will never approach the kind of goodness, I guess you could say, that you might receive from a man.
	Corporations care about their bottom line.
	They care about money.
	The moment that you, you know, whatever the circumstances change, corporation will get rid of you.
	That's not always the case when you're married to somebody.
	It could happen when you're married.
	Not always, but it's not always the case.
	Yes, but you've traded this idea that I don't need no man.
	Congrats, you've traded it.
	You're dependent on some fucking mega corp.
	You're dependent on a corporation.
	Great trade.
	And then the difference is, most husbands are just glad you cook a little food for them, you're pleasant, you have sex, whatever.
	Boom.
	Keep your man happy.
	Most men really don't ask for that much.
	Instead, your job, your corporation, is going to boss you, literally boss you around.
	Say, and a lot of men, honestly, they're kind of simpy.
	A lot of men don't know how to put their foot down in a relationship.
	Most men are not, are honestly, there's a lot of nice guys out there.
	They're not going to boss you around the same way a corporation is going to boss you around.
	You've traded the husband for the corporation.
	You're married to your career.
	You're married to your boss.
	Well, not literally your boss.
	Married to the corporation.
	And your corporation's going to say, show up here, 9 a.m., 6 a.m., 7 a.m., 8 a.m.
	You're going to stay here in this office and you're going to do this work.
	You've traded it.
	But you've traded it.
	That's a choice.
	Sure, it's a choice.
	It's a choice.
	Can I speak to this?
	Because I'm the only person here I think that's actually done both.
	I made my own money.
	I made a ton of money on my own.
	And I chose to stop working and then I let a man take care of it.
	I chose to be subservient, submissive to a man.
	I will say, it is much better to be taken care of than to have to take care of yourself.
	Although my marriage wasn't perfect, just the stability of knowing that he's got it and I'm safe and I can become feminine and not have to be in my masculine and always fend for myself.
	That is much preferred to having to figure out how to reach that net every month, take care of those bills.
	Again, you just have to choose the right person to support you because it is a miserable experience if you choose the wrong one.
	Having to ask for money if you've never had to do that before is not fun.
	Yeah, but it is much better in life to have someone that you know who's got your back, who is there to protect you, absolutely by far.
	I think the women's movement honestly kind of screwed us because now we like, yeah, we get the choice to go to work, but in some sense, like we have to to make our living.
	But then when you have children, now I work 40 hours a week.
	I go to school.
	I have somebody that has to watch my kid all the time.
	And I don't, while I do get to raise him, I don't, I'm not always there for the most important moments of his life.
	So we're just sending them off to other people to be raised when I want to just stay at home.
	Like I would love to be a stay-at-home mom and watch my kid grow.
	You're working to pay for child care.
	Yeah.
	Also, that's a good point.
	Also, look, I think women should definitely have the choice, right?
	I think they should have the choice.
	I would love to see, honestly, I'd love to see women more in like in STEM fields where we can, I use this term in the best way possible, exploit the intelligence and labor of women so that they can be studying, you know, can we throw both men and women at cancer research, at studying illnesses.
	You know what?
	Cancer affects everybody.
	Let's throw all our manpower, and that would include women.
	Let's throw as much of our collective brainpower towards solving some of these serious issues.
	I would love women to get into that.
	But I think one thing when you talk about choice, when you double the labor pool, you have taken choice away from a different subset of women.
	What about the women who previously, they wanted to be stay-at-home wives, but now due to the economic and financial reality where you really can't, you know, unless the guy's a really high earner, you can't really raise, have kids, have a house on one income.
	It's really hard.
	And part of that, again, women should have the choice, but there was so much propaganda that pushed women to like career boss babe.
	I think there should be also propaganda saying, hey, also, it's also really good and totally fine.
	And you're not less of a woman because you want to just have a family and be a stay-at-home mom.
	There should be propaganda in that direction too.
	But the feminists have taken the choice away from the women who would love, love to just be a stay-at-home mom.
	And you know what?
	Leave the work to the men.
	I just, I want to raise kids.
	I want to be a good wife.
	I want to take care of the household.
	Let my man work.
	He can be the breadwinner.
	That's taken away from the majority of women now.
	So you've granted women one choice, but taken away another.
	Are you saying that women are the cause of the economic downfall?
	Like the recession?
	I guess.
	Well, so, you know.
	So, I mean, when you would agree that there are cause and effect, right?
	Yeah.
	Like certain actions, even if they're overall good.
	Like, for example, you drive your car, right?
	Do you have a car?
	Not right now.
	I used to, but people drive cars all the time, but we realize that this does create like pollution, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's a trade-off, right?
	In this case, there's definitely going to be an economic impact.
	I'm not saying we shouldn't have, you know, necessary.
	I'm not saying we shouldn't have given women more choice.
	But one of the cause and effect scenarios, one of the consequences of doing this, if you double the labor pool, you double the labor pool effectively.
	There are women who are working, but basically you double it up.
	You make it like the social status quo, the cultural zeitgeist that it's like, oh yeah, boss babe it up.
	Wait till you're 30 to have kids.
	Yeah, that's going to have an impact economically.
	If you double the labor pool, that drives wages down.
	Like if we just had an influx, like if every, I don't know how else to explain it, but yeah, that's going to make it so that wages get driven down.
	That puts more power into the hands of corporations.
	Corporations love feminism.
	They love it.
	Love it.
	They can pay their employees less because there's more competition.
	That's not feminism, though.
	Like, you shouldn't.
	I mean, yeah, it is feminism.
	Equal pay is feminism.
	No, feminism is the sort of generalized push.
	Again, I'm not saying that it's wrong for women to have labor force participation, but it is this propaganda push.
	No, don't have children.
	Don't get married.
	Don't read.
	Guys, guys, focus.
	Ignore that.
	Don't get married.
	There's literally feminist propaganda.
	Pursue career over marriage, over family, over children.
	Family bad, children bad.
	Wait until you're 30.
	Wait until you're 35.
	Freeze your eggs.
	No.
	No.
	I think it's choice still.
	That's what matters.
	Okay.
	But it is the case that, yeah, you double the labor pool of people.
	That's going to have an economic impact.
	Whether you think it's like worth at what cost, like if it's worth it to you, that's fine.
	But that is a, it is quite a direct result.
	Do you think some men are less capable of working than women?
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, there's men who are lazy.
	There's women who are like insanely motivated and hard workers.
	Yeah.
	And everyone has a different IQ.
	So technically, like.
	What do you mean?
	Well, like some people are just smarter than others, you know, and can be more productive in society than others.
	And it doesn't matter the gender.
	That's just kind of.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think on the balance of probabilities, I think men are typically more motivated to make money than women are, though.
	And that might manifest itself.
	Well, I mean, my argument against the wage gap: first off, there isn't a wage gap.
	If you account for all variables, if you count for all these variables, men work longer hours, men work more overtime, men get more hazard pay, men are more likely to relocate, men are more likely to be in a geography that fucking sucks, men are more likely to work dangerous jobs, men are more likely to be injured on the job, men are more likely to think what else.
	Did I say die on the job?
	Injuries, deaths.
	Men go into fields that happen to pay more, all kinds of variables.
	If you control for all these variables, the wage gap shrinks.
	However, I would argue that women's expectation that men pay for first dates and men be providers, that actually is the, I would argue that the wage gap could be explained away by women's own dating preferences.
	If it is the case as a guy that, and look, I agree, some women are fine going 50-50, some women, you know, they don't mind.
	I would say most majority of women, so that would be at least 51% or more.
	Majority, strong preference that the guy pay for first dates, the guy maybe pay for subsequent dates.
	I don't know if it's a majority where it's a deal breaker.
	Like if the guy's like, let's go 50-50.
	I don't know if it's a majority, it's a deal breaker.
	Let's say it's a 30% deal breaker.
	30% of women, if the guy doesn't pay for the first date, and we've had these women on the show, that's it.
	If he doesn't pay for the first date, it's over.
	Won't date him again.
	Deal breaker.
	This puts a massive pressure on men that never exists towards women.
	Like women, maybe you go 50-50.
	You almost never will.
	Women will almost never pay for everything on the first date.
	Almost never.
	I agree with that.
	Right.
	Like, yeah, maybe sometimes women go 50-50, don't pay for the first date.
	So if it's the case that the barrier to men getting romantic attention, sexual access, girlfriend, wife, is I have to have my, financially, I need to be in a good spot as a man.
	I need to pay for dates.
	And women put this burden and pressure on men that never gets reciprocated.
	Like, most men are not like, well, if she doesn't pay for the date, it's a deal breaker.
	No more dates after that.
	Men don't say that shit.
	That's never.
	I've never.
	Oh, my God.
	Honestly, never heard that shit.
	She won't pay for the whole date.
	Deal breaker.
	No, never heard a guy say that shit.
	And you guys would probably laugh if a guy said that shit.
	You'd be like, what the fuck?
	Yeah.
	That's like.
	That creates, because of women's own traditional gender role expectation, that would just explain away the gender pay gap.
	Men are simply, because of women's own expectations, it's like basically like this.
	Do you think men are highly motivated to, well, let's start it simple.
	Are men really motivated to get laid?
	To get laid?
	To get laid.
	That's like their number one fucking thing.
	Right.
	It's like self-evident.
	Like, men are these horn dogs, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you think it's helpful in getting laid to pay for the first date?
	Yeah.
	And do you think it would be harmful when it comes to getting laid if you're like, you made a stand?
	You know what?
	Let's get 50-50.
	You think it would hurt his chances maybe a little bit?
	A teeny bit.
	You think?
	I think so.
	Well, in any case, it helps his chances if he pays for the date, right?
	Yeah.
	Maybe also just helps his chances if he appears to be doing well financially.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, and then beyond that, like if a girl's looking for like long-term, like if she's trying to figure out if this guy's good long-term potential, she probably wants a guy who's like, you know, not some, you know, doing well, right?
	Yeah.
	He's not struggling.
	You know, it might, it'd be more attractive if he's doing well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Do you think it's the case in the reverse for women?
	Men probably think more successful women are more attractive.
	No, don't really care.
	Not at all.
	But like, at least for the first date, like, do you think a woman's income when a man's like, let's say it's just even keeping it to casual sex, not even relationship.
	Yeah.
	Do you think a man cares if she pays for the date?
	Oh, no, not pays for a date.
	Doesn't care, but like, yeah, it doesn't care.
	Eventually, probably, but not on like the first, you know.
	Yeah, so women can be, I mean, look, broke guys definitely get pussy.
	Yeah.
	But it's maybe a little harder.
	Maybe he'd do a bit better if he was doing a little better.
	Is it really such a priority for men that they're like, I'm going to get laid.
	Like, I need to get laid.
	Is that what they're thinking when they're going on first dates?
	Have you met men?
	I think so.
	Yes.
	I would say a lot of men.
	Yeah, a lot of men, their motivation, not to say that they only want that, but they want the total package.
	And yes, a lot of men definitely want that.
	They don't.
	They have testosterone.
	Are they also thinking, I want a partner?
	Or is it like more simple?
	If a man's looking for a partner and considers you to be an eligible partner, it's less likely that they'll attempt to sleep with you on the first date if they actually like you in that way, in my opinion.
	I know they want to.
	Yeah, that doesn't mean they don't want to.
	Partners, obviously, they have sex, but is that really like the main thing for men?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, definitely.
	If you have bad sex with a woman, I mean, sex is important.
	But regardless of the primary motivation, maybe sex is secondary or tertiary.
	Would that be third?
	Yeah, that's tertiary.
	Good word.
	Ultimately, if the calculus is men need to have something going when it comes to money, or they need to make an overt gesture that has a financial component, women are upholding the gender wage gap because it's basically like, I mean, I don't think that I'm, I don't know what the solution is.
	Like, I'm not saying like, have sex with homeless dudes.
	Like, don't do that.
	Don't give pussy to homeless dudes, you know.
	But maybe.
	But maybe I'm just saying the reason men, conceivably, hypothetically or theoretically, could be the case, the reason men earn more is because we are motivated to.
	Because I think, look, women are romantically motivated.
	Obviously, I'm not saying women don't want boyfriends.
	Women don't want to have, you know, sex.
	Women don't want a partner.
	But in order for a woman to get that, the state of affairs of her money and finances is completely negligible.
	Completely negligible.
	A woman's finances is never going to stop her from getting laid.
	It's never going to really stop her from getting a boyfriend.
	Whereas a man's state of affairs as it relates to his finances, his money, definitely will.
	Definitely will.
	Ultimately, the argument here is women create the gender wage gap because you motivate because men are really romantically motivated to make money.
	I mean, doesn't Jordan Peterson talk about the also the fact that men were willing to work longer hours.
	They don't have to take breaks for childbirth.
	I mean, there was a lot of things that could.
	But since it's a dating podcast, I do think that this, this actually, I think it's an, and I don't actually hear anyone else out there ever making this argument that it's one of the variables could just be men are just like, I don't know.
	I don't know if people don't know this.
	Men are really motivated by sex and by women.
	Yeah.
	Super motivated.
	That's what causes war.
	Like if, like, if, trust me, if we could fuck y'all in a cardboard box, we would.
	We would.
	I know.
	Have you seen like how a single guy lives?
	He does it.
	Like, you know, we are very minimal.
	You know, we don't need much.
	You're not seeking to feel protected or cared for in that sense.
	So you're not seeking any sort of financial dependence.
	So it makes sense.
	Yeah.
	Okay, we have some chats.
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	We know that you think and believe that the feminism out in the world right now is about equality.
	But what Brian is trying to explain is that it is not.
	Current feminism is not about equality.
	Yeah, true.
	Yeah, also, like, to your point, Pasty, I'm not interested in these dictionary definitions.
	I'm interested in outcomes.
	You can say it means equality all day long.
	But if you look at the behavior of feminists, the messaging in feminist spaces, how the ideology is weaponized, media, politics, culture, I think it overwhelmingly manifests as hostility towards men.
	Point blank, period.
	I've definitely seen that sign.
	I have.
	And I've also seen, but I just was trying to say that's not true feminism.
	Well, I mean, that's just no true Scotsman.
	But I mean, do you question?
	I can see what you're saying.
	But have you heard the term toxic masculinity?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, is that like kind of a feminist talking point?
	Do you think it is?
	Yeah, it's probably within the purview of the feminist framework.
	But why, I guess, why does feminism tolerate rhetoric that frames men as inherently toxic, predatory, dangerous, oppressive, just for being men?
	I think it's trauma-based, again, on both.
	Like, that's, in my opinion, misandry.
	And, like, putting even societal norms and expectations on men that, like, you can't, like, cry, or you have to be the strongest man in the room.
	Or, like, you know, there's a lot of sexist things pushed on men that shouldn't be.
	And, like, I think that's, like, you know, men should be allowed to like express their emotions and stuff, and that should be pushed more in feminine.
	And, like, I guess the toxic masculinity is coming from like society pushing on man, men, this toxic expectation that they shouldn't feel and they should have to be like the strongest and make the most money.
	That's like toxic.
	It's toxic, you know, and it's not right.
	And I guess.
	But they, feminists oftentimes want to paint masculinity inherently as toxic.
	And I don't find that distinction particularly helpful.
	I would much, like if feminism was about true egalitarianism, I would frame it like this.
	There are toxic women, there are toxic men.
	Let's combat specific toxicity.
	I don't think we need a gender toxicity.
	Like, look, to be charitable, perhaps it's the case that toxicity manifests itself differently between men and women.
	Yes.
	But I think attaching, using the term toxic masculinity unnecessarily muddies the water and makes it confusing and sort of points to or suggests that masculinity in and of itself has a toxic element and is toxic.
	Like when you say toxic masculinity, there is some degree of suggestion there.
	I mean, you could argue a bit over the semantics and the word choice here.
	I think a lot of people will interpret that as a sort of condemnation of just masculinity as a whole, generally speaking.
	But I do, I mean, my next point would simply be, you know, you want to say, well, that's not true feminism.
	I would argue the main feminist framework and ideology is misandrist.
	If you look at mainstream, you know, we talked about schooling, education, feminist thought leaders, writers, thinkers, ever since the start of feminism, there's a really clear track record of anti-male rhetoric.
	I mean, I guess.
	Like, do you know Valerie, what's her name?
	Valerie Solanos?
	No, I know.
	She was like a feminist.
	I think she's still alive.
	She tried to kill Andy Warhol.
	She wrote a book called The Scum Manifesto.
	A lot of these feminists advocate for things.
	I think one famous feminist said we should coal, is the coal the right word?
	Coal the male population to 10% or something?
	What the fuck?
	But these are men's.
	That's horrible, but that's not feminism.
	Question: Should men work their way out of prison?
	Work their way out of prison?
	Like, should men start in prison?
	Start in prison.
	Yeah, like they have to prove them.
	Men have to prove themselves.
	I've heard feminists say this.
	Men should start off in prison and have to prove themselves and work their way out.
	What the fuck?
	Because we know I don't agree with that.
	No.
	Okay.
	That's crazy.
	That's literally crazy.
	Well, you wrote just because you wrote feminist misandrist, which isn't possible.
	Well, I think there's radical feminists that are not even feminist.
	You know what I mean?
	Can a feminist be misandrist?
	I don't think so.
	No.
	How about this?
	That's a chauvinist.
	Let's test out the logic.
	Can a men's rights activist be a misogynist?
	Yeah.
	Wait, I don't understand though.
	So you could argue.
	Actually, you know, I the men's rights, the men's rights activists, I think, are way more ideologically pure than feminists.
	Well, there's radical ones, though.
	You know?
	Sure.
	But I think men's rights advocacy is like way less toxic or problematic than feminism because I don't think in men's rights activism, it like cakes in all this like class warfare shit.
	But testing out the logic, can a men's rights activist be a misogynist?
	Well, okay, men's rights.
	Tell me what you like.
	Is that like is there men's rights activists like commonly?
	I guess I haven't done enough research on men's rights activists.
	Well, you're aware of the term, right?
	Yeah, but I'd have to do more looking into that side.
	For simplicity's sake, for simplicity's sake, men's rights activists would be like sort of again, I think the men's rights framework is way more palatable.
	Well, some people, obviously, feminists would dispute this.
	I think it's more palatable because it doesn't smuggle in as like really anti-female rhetoric typically.
	I'd have to look into it.
	Okay, men's rights.
	I'm not educated on that.
	Men's rights activists would be the mere opposite of feminists.
	Yeah.
	You've never heard the term?
	I have, but I haven't like re like from the groups I have seen, they're all misogynistic.
	So I guess it's like the opposite.
	Answer the question, though.
	Well, I mean, maybe that's the answer.
	Can a men's rights activist be a misogynist?
	I think if they don't push for women's rights too, then yes.
	And it's the same.
	Like why would that be?
	Okay, hold on.
	But the answer is yes.
	Men's rights activists can be misogynist.
	So why can't feminists be misandrist?
	If they don't push for equal rights, then it's like they're misandrists.
	So it's not logically, if a men's rights activist could be a misogynist, then a feminist could be a misandrist.
	I said if they don't push for equal rights, then it's chauvinism.
	You know.
	Wait, hold on.
	You could be a feminist and want equality, but also hate men.
	But two things aren't mutually exclusive.
	How can you hate men while pushing for equal rights, though?
	You know?
	I don't think these are contrary.
	Okay, well, I'm just saying, I said my stance on it.
	I think like it's like feminism is about equality, though, is the thing.
	You're saying modern day feminism isn't, but okay, people who assume the title of feminist, you think it's impossible for, like, you're trying to stick to the dictionary definition.
	Yeah.
	You don't, you don't think that there's ever been a stated feminist who is a misandrist?
	Like, is that impossible?
	Yeah, like, that's not in feminism, but I'm sure they self-proclaim, like, self-proclaim feminists.
	There's no true Scotsman.
	They self-proclaim feminism.
	That isn't feminism because it's misandry.
	Okay.
	I mean, the logic isn't logicking, I guess.
	Well, if you're a self-proclaimed feminist and push for women's rights over, like, don't push for equal rights.
	And you're a misandrist and hate men, then you're not a feminist because you're not pushing for equal rights and like gender equality.
	Feminism doesn't push for equal rights, though.
	That's what he's saying.
	I hear that.
	I hear that.
	But I'm just saying, I'm going by the definition and what I was taught as a person.
	Yeah, even using your definition of feminism, I don't see how it would be impossible for somebody to like you can claim to be a feminist and also be a misandrist.
	But I just don't.
	You can also basically be a feminist and hate men.
	Like, yes, you can.
	They do it all the time.
	It's chauvinism, though.
	You can be a this is unrelated.
	Do we still get food?
	Yeah, we're getting food later.
	Okay.
	It's coming a little bit later.
	You think women can be a misogynist?
	Yeah.
	Fuck yeah, of course.
	So many women I know are misogynistic.
	Like it's wait, question.
	Let's say like a feminist scholar doesn't hate men, but then one day she starts hating men.
	Is she no longer a feminist?
	But she's she's still pushing for gender equality.
	Yeah, but she really hates men.
	Like she's like, we should be equal, but she hates men.
	Does that translate in her actions?
	Like does she like you said one of the one of the things you said is 50-50 custody in custody like battles.
	You know what I mean?
	You do realize that.
	Okay, what?
	Check this shit out.
	Let me make this super simple.
	I don't know how else to do this.
	You know criminal defense attorneys, right?
	Criminals should have rights.
	But I think even criminal defense attorneys probably genuinely hate like genuine murderers, but they still will probably have a position.
	Like even me, I'm not a criminal defense attorney.
	Yeah, I think even criminals, even criminals who commit murder, should be afforded certain rights in the justice system.
	But I hate criminals.
	But they can also, I can also advocate for the rights of criminals.
	Does that make sense?
	So as it relates to feminism, I think a feminist could be like, you know, look, men and women should be equal, but I hate men.
	Does that make sense?
	No, because that's a job.
	And he's getting paid to fight for criminal, like, you know, that's like a criminal.
	Oh my God, you're totally missing.
	That just went over your head.
	No, but I get what you're saying.
	I get what you're saying.
	What about the example I gave where I said I'm not a criminal defense attorney?
	I hate people who commit murder, but I acknowledge even people who it's clear they've like it's not just a who done it.
	It's like they definitely killed somebody.
	Even they should be afforded rights under the justice system.
	Why do you believe that?
	Well, I'd question that honestly over it, but I get what you're saying.
	I guess I just have a different stance on it.
	Yeah, but I don't think these two positions are contradictory.
	As a woman, you could be like, you know what?
	I think that men and women should have equal rights, but also you hate men.
	Like, those two things are.
	I don't think women should hate men, but they're kind of compatible.
	I already said my stance on her, though.
	Okay, let me dumb it down even more.
	I'm not going to change my stance.
	Just listen.
	Just listen.
	Like, I'm not.
	Just listen.
	Listen.
	I'm not going to change my stance.
	Okay.
	I think pineapple on pizza is disgusting.
	I fucking hate it.
	I fucking hate it.
	But I think people should have the right to order pineapple on pizza.
	I still have the same stance.
	I get what you're saying again, but I still have the same stance.
	You know what I mean?
	I still have the same stance.
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	Yeah, my God.
	Really?
	Oh, my God.
	Felicity, read this.
	Stop panhandling.
	Why should a woman that initiated a divorce get child support or alimony?
	These are the types of women who are destroying the Western society and making men like Brian not want to get married.
	Okay, can I?
	I mean, as a.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Okay.
	So just because my soon-to-be ex-husband has behaved in a way that was not suitable to continue the marriage, he therefore does not have to pay me anything because I'm choosing to leave the marriage.
	Is that the reasoning there?
	Am I getting this correct?
	I don't think it was direct to you specifically.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm just trying to use it as an example.
	There's so many reasons why a marriage ends, but if a man behaves completely perfectly and this woman out of nowhere decides to leave him, I understand your point, but that's not always the case.
	I think alimony and child support should kind of be divided up too, because if a man willingly had a child with you and you are still the primary parent and you don't make as much as the other person, like, why wouldn't that money get spent either way, married or not married on the child?
	What does child support have to do with that specifically?
	By the way, I just want to explain the no-true Scotsman thing.
	So saying it's not real feminism, that's called a no-true Scotsman fallacy.
	So if you build an entire movement, that movement becomes mainstream.
	If you watch what it produces, you can't then constantly disown the effects of that movement.
	So if an ideology consistently breeds anti-male rhetoric and anti-male sentiment, it's just you can't remove that from feminism.
	So the problem is with the ideology, not just the followers.
	Does that?
	All right.
	I just don't.
	I guess I got to do my research on your side because I get what you're saying and what you're trying to say, but I haven't personally seen that in feminism.
	I'll break it down again.
	Something different, a different approach.
	So when we were talking about the patriarchy, right?
	You said you believe in the patriarchy.
	Women are oppressed.
	Men are the oppressors.
	So if you believe men as a group are oppressors and oppressors, would you agree, are inherently unjust, powerful, and dangerous?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Then how are you not going to end up viewing men negatively as a group?
	Because true feminists would be like, but some men fight for it.
	There's male feminists.
	No, no, but the framework and ideology of feminism, the lens is patriarchy.
	It looks through life.
	Put on those rose-colored glasses.
	Okay.
	So the framework, you put those on, those are the feminist glasses, right?
	Okay.
	Now everything's red to you.
	Yeah.
	Feminists look at society.
	They look at the dynamics between men and women.
	They look at culture.
	They look at everything through the feminist lens.
	They look at, okay, patriarchy theory, right?
	And patriarchy theory paints men as a group as oppressors.
	If, again, I think you would have to categorize true oppression.
	You would categorize oppressors unjust, powerful, dangerous.
	If this is what feminism is propagating, wouldn't anyone start resenting the oppressor, the so-called oppressor?
	I think they could.
	And so that resentment breeds contempt, and that definitionally would be misandery.
	Ergo, feminists, not always, feminists are misandrist.
	Some, sorry, I should say, some feminists are misandrist.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, I'll compromise with you there.
	I still don't think that.
	Okay.
	Definitely.
	But okay.
	Sure.
	What do you think of men?
	Just curious, like in general?
	Generally, what do you mean?
	How am I supposed to answer this?
	Oh, like for example, ask me the question about women.
	How do you feel about women?
	I think women are great.
	Love women.
	They're great.
	Don't always agree with certain women on certain things.
	But overall, I think women are great.
	I would say the same thing.
	If you ask women that question about men, that's not quite as positive.
	Not typically a very positive response you get from them.
	Let me ask you this follow-up question.
	Yeah.
	Do we need men?
	Yeah.
	Do you need men?
	Like in what context?
	I'm not talking romantically.
	I'm just talking like societally.
	Do we need men?
	Yeah, yeah, for sure.
	What do you mean?
	Not just for me.
	You need both.
	You need both genders.
	Yeah.
	Well, not just for reproduction, but here, why don't we just, I want to open it up to the table.
	I'm saying, yes.
	Me and her have been talking quite a bit.
	What do you think of men?
	I mean, just the same how I feel about women.
	Like it's really no different.
	You don't have a bit of a in-group bias?
	Like women are a little better.
	I enjoy being a woman and I love all the women friends.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I think they're great.
	Awesome.
	Okay.
	I absolutely adore masculine men.
	Yeah, I do like men.
	Same.
	I like men, obviously.
	Do we need men?
	Yes.
	I think so, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	For sure.
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	Let's see here.
	I'm almost done with this feminist back and forth here, I guess.
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	I don't know.
	Look, if an ideology reliably produces resentment toward one group, I ultimately, I don't care what a dictionary says.
	I don't care.
	I don't care what your dictionary definition is.
	It's not about equality.
	And I think that's what modern feminism has become.
	It's a sort of resentment towards men.
	Like, let me ask you this.
	And the other women can answer too.
	Well, who here's a feminist going around the table?
	Feminist?
	I would consider myself a feminist by definition of like feminism as a movement to end sexism and gender equality.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	What about you, feminist?
	Just say yes or no because audio.
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	What?
	Do men have any rights in this country that women don't?
	Yeah.
	As the two feminists will have to answer this one.
	Rights that women don't.
	Well, so your position, feminism is about equality.
	Yeah.
	Well, what is the lacking of equality as it relates to rights?
	I mean, there's different forms of equality, but is it your position?
	Well, do women not have equal rights?
	Let's start there.
	I don't believe so, no.
	Not fully.
	So women don't have equal rights?
	No.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Do women not have equal rights?
	I think in the U.S., like by law, yeah, we have equal rights, but it's like, for example, we can all have like equal rights in terms of race, but racism can still exist.
	And like, so I feel like sexism can also exist.
	Even though there are equal rights.
	Yeah, definitely.
	There's absolutely sexism.
	Men can be sexist towards women.
	Women can be.
	Well, I don't know if you guys think women can be sexist towards men, but um you seem to think though that in the you what is a right in the U.S. that because you write in the questionnaire, women do not have equal rights reproductive rights.
	I'll engage there, but is there anything else?
	Any other rights?
	That's the one off the top of my head, but I yeah, but is there even if you can't think of it, is there any other right?
	Oh, I'm 100% sure.
	Yeah, I just have to like think more on it before I give you a full response, you know.
	This is what I'm prepared to well, just give me one.
	I don't need a laundry list.
	Give me one other thing besides reproduction.
	Well, again, equal pay.
	Well, I guess that's not like a right, but women have the right to work under law.
	Women have to be paid the same as men.
	What is the right that is being infringed upon?
	Okay, I guess that was like, but it's an unfair thing.
	That's not right.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Well, my position, we already engaged on wage gap.
	Wage gap doesn't exist, but it wouldn't be evidence of an inequality of rights.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	That was my bad.
	Okay, one besides reproduction, one other way women don't have equal rights.
	Fertility.
	I guess that's like the same shit.
	But reproductivity.
	And I want to say, like, still to this day, it's harder for women to get medical care.
	That's not true.
	not like without like how so Like, demonstrate it.
	Like, women are taken a lot less seriously in, you know, medicine and stuff and like going.
	That's not true.
	All right.
	Tell me how.
	I work in the medical field.
	There are plenty of women that have high-paying positions, are super smart doctors.
	I think she's talking about like getting care received.
	When a woman goes to a doctor, receiving care, the doctor is going to take her complaints less seriously.
	Yes.
	Are you going off of a personal experience?
	If so, can you give an example?
	Because I can give multiple experiences.
	And from what I've heard and seen with other women, they have to do that.
	Isn't it the case that women actually get more health care?
	Like, women are more likely to go to the doctor.
	They're more likely, you know, there perhaps is a debate over the quality of the care as compared to men.
	But isn't it at least true that women are more likely to go to the doctor?
	Yes.
	I mean, could it actually be the case that because women are more likely to go to the doctor, when men finally do choose to go to the doctor, it actually is the case, could be the case that men actually present with more clear-cut symptoms of like, holy shit, I've got a bullet wound.
	Whereas like maybe women's come, like when women go to the doctor, and look, so I don't dispute that maybe a doctor thinks the woman's malingering or, you know, he's not taking it as seriously.
	Maybe that's an example.
	Maybe that happens.
	But the fact that I think it's actually the argument could be made: women get better health care than men because men don't fucking go to the doctor.
	I disagree.
	What's your experience?
	My lymph node was hardened and swollen for three years, and I've been getting a lot of symptoms, and I didn't get the proper care I needed for three years of an escalation.
	You know, this idea that with like proof and like hold on one thing though, one thing though how would you demonstrate that if it was a man in your position that he would like the doctor would be like, you know what, we have to solve this.
	It took me multiple doctors.
	Yeah, but where is it a comparison between men and women?
	It's less common for men to not be taken.
	I mean, you're just pulling this completely out of your ass.
	But you're going off of a bad experience that maybe you have encountered that that justifies the care for two things here.
	Two things here.
	That has nothing to do with rights.
	Women have access to health care.
	So it could be the case.
	Maybe there's like rampant sexism in the healthcare industry, which I think it's a bit dubious because typically on intake, on intake, you have a female nurse.
	And so unless you're prepared to say that like these female nurses are like, have are sexist towards women.
	It's a terrible experience.
	Are you at an urgent care?
	I'm assuming you don't have any health insurance.
	I hope that's not offensive.
	I don't know, I do.
	You do?
	Okay, so were you...
	No, okay.
	Not everyone does.
	A lot of jobs don't provide really good health insurance.
	But what does this have to do with rights, really quick?
	And then like women can't get certain surgeries.
	Women can't get certain drugs.
	Some surgeries you can't get without a doctor's input, like to identify.
	But that's a part of a protocol.
	Men or women.
	Yeah.
	Totally fake news.
	I think you're going to say, well, you know, getting your tubes tied is, you know, it's harder for a woman to get her tubes tied versus a vasectomy.
	This, of course, ignores the fact that for that kind of much more invasive medical surgery procedure.
	Like if you have an ectopic pregnancy where.
	An ectopic pregnancy is always, is always taken very seriously.
	It's a medical.
	But there have been so many cases where doctors are scared they will lose their jobs.
	We're in a top no.
	A topic pregnancy will take somebody's life.
	Yes, no, that's what I'm saying.
	Where I'm like so educated on this.
	Okay, I believe.
	So where are your statistics coming from that that's not taken seriously?
	I've seen cases online where it's like you could put that any women's scared.
	So they're scared to give prescribed people drug like opium.
	They're scared to get a bigger repercussion from prescribing pain medication than the fact that an atopic pregnancy is a medical procedure that you have to procedure and they could lose.
	They cannot tell you no.
	That is against the Hippocratic oath.
	But what does it mean?
	But in certain like red states, women have been like put in extreme danger because doctors will wait until it's too late to give the procedure or abortion that they need medically because they're scared to lose their job.
	Those are states where it's illegal, I'm pretty sure.
	Yes.
	Well, hold on.
	First of all, there is no state that is essentially illegal.
	So the standard of care is going to be observed by doctors and healthcare professionals regardless of the gender of their patient.
	Also, this idea that women are receiving worse care.
	Oh, shit, I had something good on that, but it just slipped my mind.
	I mean, I don't know how that really relates to rights.
	How?
	How would that relate to a right?
	That's like basically your rights to medical care.
	Do you have a right to medical care?
	But doctors have been too scared.
	So, are you saying that when we both go to the same doctor, when I go in there, the doctor dabs me up, he's like, Yo, what's up, Brian?
	You know what?
	You get 50% off your treatment.
	And hold on, let's do these blood tests and let's do this.
	Let's do this.
	You step in, you walk into the doctor's office, he slaps you across the face.
	He's like, Bitch!
	No, you're a fucking idiot.
	I'm saying, woman hopes because of lack of care and lack of care.
	But I think what you're saying is not based off of being a man or a woman.
	You're just going off of your own personal experiences and then saying, can men have better health care?
	Because nothing you've said has actually given proof that men actually have to.
	Men don't have ectopic pregnancies.
	So then you can't.
	But that is also one quick thing here.
	Also, the medical field is not like, I don't know what the right term is.
	It's not like a silver bullet.
	Is that the right term?
	Like, you could go to the doctor and you could present with like, you said you had something going on with your.
	I've gone to the doctor and sometimes you do realize there are problems that you can be having.
	Yeah.
	There's not a solution to your problem.
	So women can go to the doctor and say, I have like chronic pain issues.
	I have chronic pain issues.
	I don't know if you know.
	Like I've got, I ice my back.
	I have, well, I have a back injury, neck injury.
	I have severe chronic pain issues.
	Been dealing with it for 10 years.
	The medical institution does not have a good solution for chronic pain sufferers.
	So when women go to the doctor, but right, but when women go to the doctor and they're like, well, I have this pain issue, but it's not being resolved.
	The medical, the healthcare industry, sometimes it's just like there's not a fix.
	There's not a drug.
	There's not a thing.
	Look, there's pain management stuff that they can do, but it's not the medical field is not like some silver bullet that will fix all, cure all.
	Sometimes there's things that the doctor is going to be like, you're just going to have to deal with this.
	It's just that's your life.
	Abortion.
	But I don't say when I go to the doctor.
	Some statements are getting life-saving care.
	But your claim is that you went to the doctor and they didn't have a solution to your, sometimes there's not a solution.
	Well, I got the solution in three years, but like I've been dealing with the healthcare industry for 10 years.
	There's not a solution, really.
	Women just don't get taken as seriously in the medical.
	That is not true.
	I work in the medical field.
	I've been in the medical field for over 10 years.
	There are more women that come to the doctor.
	I have more women patients that come to my doctor than I do men.
	That is not true.
	I mean, statistically, men don't go to the doctor.
	They don't.
	They don't because they're afraid that when they go to the doctor, they're going to get told, oh, you have cancer.
	You know, and usually that doesn't happen.
	But it's not a rights thing.
	Like, that has going to the doctor has died.
	Because abortion is illegal.
	Women are being denied.
	So that's women's rights, right?
	We don't get access to life-saving care in red states because abortion is illegal.
	Wait, abortion is not life-saving care.
	If you have an ectopic pregnancy, it's literally called a medical abortion.
	And I'm pretty sure, even in red states or whatever, life of the mother, it's allowed.
	It's allowed.
	But hold on.
	Is it your position that if we were to grant that abortion would be justified in the case of ectopic pregnancy, that you would be against like the 99% of abortions, which are just for like oops, oopsie.
	Like, are you fine banning those?
	What do you mean?
	Well, you're trying, okay.
	So you realize when it comes to abortion, the majority of abortions are not for incest.
	They're not for life of the mother.
	They're not for SA.
	Yeah.
	They're for a form of birth control.
	It's just oopsie.
	Let's go.
	So make birth control more accessible and tubal.
	Birth control is free.
	Accessible.
	It's not ready.
	Yes, it is.
	If you don't have both controls, it's a thousand percent free.
	At Planned Parenthood, it's around $15 to $300.
	You can literally get it for free.
	You can get it for free.
	Hold on, really quick, though.
	The overlying thing here is if we're talking about equal rights, so I don't, I kind of fail to see how it relates to equal rights because while you might say it's like a woman's advocacy thing, men don't have any reproductive rights.
	So what's the, well, when we're talking about equal rights, equal to who?
	Equal to men?
	So the comparison you have to make is, well, hold on.
	You would agree that men can't, under law, force women to get abortions, right?
	Men can't force women to get abortions.
	Men can't force women to you agree, right?
	By law?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, technically it's possible.
	The guy could be a fucking abuser, fucking drag arassed to an abortion clinic, and like they can't even come in the room.
	Yeah, it's like if you want to take that legally knowing by law, no.
	I asked by law, that's all.
	Yes or no?
	That's why I said that.
	Okay.
	Not by law.
	Can a man in a state where women can get abortions, can he force the woman to keep the child?
	Can he force the woman to keep the child?
	Yeah, so in California, let's say I knock up my girlfriend and she wants to get an abortion.
	Can I force her to not get the abortion?
	In California, no.
	Yeah, in fact, probably in no state, really.
	Men don't have a say.
	So this has anything to do with equal rights because the only way you could have equal rights would be men would have to have some reproductive say and they don't.
	Men definitely like have well.
	No, we don't have a say.
	There's no legal say.
	When we're talking about rights, we're talking about legal rights.
	So in reds, yeah.
	So in states where abortion is illegal, what state is abortion illegal?
	Texas.
	Idaho, I believe.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Those states, whatever.
	We'll grant that there's states you can't, women can't get abortion.
	Men, in those states, they can't force a woman to get abortion.
	They can't force a woman to keep the child.
	So what does that have to do with equal rights?
	How about this?
	It would...
	I'm so...
	I made up...
	I made the point.
	No, no, this would be unequal.
	In a red state, if a man could tell his woman, you have to get an abortion, you go get an abortion, and he could force her to do it, and she couldn't choose to get an abortion, like on her own.
	The man had to give her permission.
	That would be unequal rights.
	With tubaligation, if you have a partner.
	You're all over the place.
	Hello?
	That's an example in reproductive rights.
	That's like a bad thing.
	Does a man force a woman to get tubaligation?
	No, but they can be the reason she isn't allowed to.
	That's false.
	That's not true.
	It's not.
	It's not true.
	That's false.
	Doctors will refuse tubaligation to some women because of the rights.
	So here's what I think is true.
	I think when a young woman wants to be sterilized, some doctors are hesitant to do the procedure.
	And perhaps, like, I don't think a lot of dog, I don't know the details.
	Maybe some women here on the medical field, I think a lot of doctors who would otherwise give a woman sterilization procedures, they might be hesitant to sterilize like an 18-year-old woman.
	I think there's actually an age range within the 2020 or 27.
	We change our minds, unfortunately, especially as we start to go deeper into our biological clock.
	The thought of, oh, I should have a baby.
	I should, this is what really what I'm like made to do.
	I'm made to have children.
	And to get a tubo-ligation at 18, it's much harder to reverse a tubo-ligation than it is a vasectomy.
	Yeah.
	That's why men are more easily accessible to that.
	But no, you do not need your husband, your partner, your dad, your brother to give you the consent for tuboligation.
	Yes, you will go to the doctor and they might not do it right then and there because they want you to really weigh the pros and cons of it.
	But there's related to equal rights, men don't have reproductive rights.
	The only like obviously there's no scenario where a men, a man should have really have a say in either direction, right?
	Like a man shouldn't have a say, but like perhaps the man could like perhaps the equitable thing would be if a woman can get an abortion, a man should say, oh, well, if you want to keep the child and the man doesn't want the kid, he can relinquish his child support duties and parental rights.
	It's called legal paternal surrender.
	But that doesn't even exist.
	So for example, a situation where Brad knocks up Stacey at the club and she wants to keep the kid and he just wanted a casual sex.
	She can force him to pay child support for 18 years and he didn't want to have the kid.
	So perhaps the equitable equality that could exist would be, well, in states where women do have abortion rights, men can relinquish parental responsibility, but even that doesn't exist.
	So there's not an equality that can be achieved, really.
	Well, currently there's no equality.
	So women not having rights to actually for equality to this is actually a funny example.
	You know how we were talking earlier about feminists won't fight for equality?
	Yeah.
	So this would technically be a form of equality.
	In order for women to be equal to men, since men have no reproductive rights, technically the equality that you could achieve would be nationwide abortion ban.
	Since men can't since men can't escape fatherhood, the only form of equality that you could really achieve would be to make women be incapable of escaping motherhood.
	So you'd have to have nationwide abortion ban, and that would technically be equal.
	That would create equality between men and women.
	You're looking at me all confused, but logically this is sound.
	This is ridiculous.
	Well, hold on.
	I'm not, just to be clear, I'm not advocating right now currently on a position on abortion.
	Yeah.
	But your standard is feminists fight for equality.
	So if men lack reproductive rights, you either need to give men reproductive rights or for there to be equality, I know you might not like that form of equality.
	Women, no woman in the entire nation could get an abortion, and that's equal.
	You're going to fight for that then?
	Aren't you a feminist?
	Don't you want equality?
	That's still literally.
	But hold on.
	I thought feminists fight for equality.
	That's not equal.
	But remember when I said feminists won't fight for equality if it comes to the detriment of women.
	Women are dying because of the abortion ban.
	What?
	Look it up.
	No, but what does that have to do with my point?
	Answer my point.
	Because when you take away abortion too, they're dying to really dangerous methods to like.
	I'm not having an abortion debate with you.
	I'm having an equality debate with you right now.
	Stay on top of that.
	I'm responding to them.
	If there isn't.
	No, no, no, no.
	Let's not get bogged down into the weeds of an abortion debate.
	We're having an equality debate.
	Address my point.
	You think we'd have to ban abortion nationwide for men and women to have reproductive.
	Why don't we?
	Equality.
	Do you know what equality means?
	Equal.
	Well, men can get a vasectomy because they're very easily reversible instead of women being on birth control.
	So that should be the equal.
	Okay, but hold on.
	The equality in that.
	Okay.
	Well, women technically can sterilize themselves, but you do acknowledge that women have unpleasant.
	Vasectomies are reversible, though.
	Logic is evading you at this point.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I know that women have.
	But you're not going to be able to do that.
	Vasectomies are reversible, though.
	What does that have to do with the point?
	The equality, because they can.
	That's not, no.
	That's right over their body to get a vasectomy.
	All men should get vasectomies so they don't get women pregnant, you know?
	And all women should be on birth control.
	Okay, great.
	Your point is completely incoherent.
	No, because you said there should be a ban on abortions.
	If men don't want to get women pregnant, then they should get vasectomies.
	And that's their right.
	That's their right.
	I do acknowledge, though, if you'd like to use these extreme examples of ectopic pregnancy.
	How about I use an extreme example?
	Women rape men.
	And you know, it's funny.
	Some of these teachers will actually do this to their students.
	And then they conveniently, well, I shouldn't say conveniently.
	The women get pregnant.
	And then the victim, the boy, has to pay her child support.
	Are you kidding?
	It happens.
	That's true.
	It happens.
	You can try to contest it in the court.
	The court will say, you know what?
	Don't care.
	Yes, she raped the boy, but she got pregnant.
	She kept the kid.
	He has to pay for child support.
	The parents are responsible, correct?
	And of course, that's not exactly for underage kids, no?
	Well, I mean, if we're talking about a 16-year-old, by the time he turns 18, yes.
	But he would be, he would be.
	So I'm using an extreme example here.
	Of course, that's not right.
	But you do acknowledge, like, how about this?
	Sometimes birth control fails.
	Sometimes vasectomies even fail.
	Yeah.
	And sometimes women lie.
	Sometimes women, if I'm going to use an extreme example, can lie about their birth control status.
	Can try to trap a guy.
	Yeah.
	Can go into Drake's bathroom, get a condom, and try to inseminate themselves.
	Yeah.
	Ew, what?
	So consent is not always, it doesn't seem like it's always needed for fatherhood, right?
	So same with motherhood.
	Like a guy can cover a woman without telling them.
	Sure.
	But your argument about, well, men can get vasectomies, that does nothing to men can lie about getting vasectomies suit.
	He's playing devil's advocate.
	That doesn't nothing to rebut or dispute my point.
	You're off in the weeds here.
	But I'm not.
	It's the same thing, but the opposite.
	Like, you're telling me, like, men, you know, I don't think there's like women force men into child support every single day.
	Men baby trap women every single day.
	Baby trap.
	Okay.
	Well, I think this is getting away from the central point.
	What if a man pokes holes in a condom without telling her?
	So that she still has to be aware that they're actually yours.
	What if their religious affiliations do not allow them to birth?
	Well, their religious affiliations probably are also saying they shouldn't have sex in the first place.
	This is a total fucking red herring.
	So do all Christian herrings.
	You can't actually stick to the point because you know you're wrong.
	You know you're wrong.
	So you need to obfuscate and do red herrings that aren't central or material to the actual conversation being had.
	We're talking about equality.
	Yeah, and I'm telling you the equal thing.
	The woman being on birth control is men getting a vasectomy.
	That's not the equal thing.
	It's not the equal thing.
	First off, some women don't want to be on birth control.
	They still engage in sex.
	And they can still get a woman, regardless of her birth control status.
	You would acknowledge if a woman has had sex and regardless of whether she's on birth control, whether she's had her tubes tied, if she gets pregnant, you would acknowledge that at least in the states where it's allowed, she can get an abortion.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so my point was men should have in a state where abortion is legal, men should also have some sort of escape from fatherhood.
	But you're saying, no, they should just get a vasectomies as a preventative measure.
	Yeah.
	But that's great in your utopian fucking fairy, woozy-doozy society here.
	That's your argument.
	That's mine back.
	Just saying.
	Yeah, yours is unrealistic, though.
	Because why is it realistic for a woman to get an IUD, but a menu?
	No, you're actually not a vasectomy.
	Vasectomies are sometimes irreversible, oftentimes irreversible, especially over time.
	They're also far more invasive than an IUD.
	It actually requires cutting into the man.
	You have to snip the vas deferens.
	It's much more invasive.
	And there's a chance of permanent sterilization.
	I suppose some of these female birth controls are not available.
	They can cause you permanent damage as well.
	Yes, but it's far less likely.
	In any case, a vasectomy is a vasectomy.
	Hold on, you're actually birth control can cause like permanent reproduction.
	Especially if a woman starts it too young.
	Oh my god, dude.
	Especially if a woman starts too mean.
	Not everybody can take birth control, but I don't think there's a zero comparison between a vasectomy and a birth control.
	That's crazy.
	I don't know how to.
	You know what?
	This is what you're doing right now.
	This is what you're doing.
	Somebody who gets a cast that's as invasive as brain surgery.
	That's what you're doing.
	But it's still like.
	It's the degree of the invasiveness.
	Like getting.
	I'm just saying, I'm arguing back to your argument because you say that men don't have the same reproductive rights, but if they want to do that.
	We also want to be circumcision.
	Men, first off, let's be realistic here.
	Unwanted, unplanned pregnancies happen all the time.
	This idea that we're going to get, and also, by the way, people who are underage have sex, like 16, 17, 18-year-olds have sex.
	I don't think it's medically indicated for a 16-year-old to get a vasectomy.
	That's fucking insane.
	Yeah.
	In addition to that, but we do acknowledge that, like, teenagers do have sex, right?
	Teenagers have sex.
	Maybe we can have a separate conversation, maybe they shouldn't, whatever.
	In any case, we have to acknowledge that that's the reality.
	People don't practice perfect protection, whether that's condoms, whether that's women on birth control, whatever it is.
	It's never 100%.
	Women get pregnant, unwanted, it can be unwanted on both sides.
	Vasectomy is not really a prescriptive thing here.
	The question is, though, in the event of an unwanted pregnancy, which is the current status quo, your utopia, it wouldn't even be utopian.
	It would be dystopian to have every single man get a vasectomy.
	That's ridiculous.
	In any case, yeah, your solution is completely absurd.
	In the event that let's go back down to earth, let's go to operate in reality.
	Take your fucking rose-colored glasses off so we can talk reality here because that shit is melting your brain.
	Oh my god.
	The reality down to earth, down-to-earth reality, unwanted pregnancies, unplanned pregnancies happen all the time.
	All the time.
	Of course.
	Right.
	In this situation, men have no means of escaping fatherhood if the woman is intent on having the child.
	But they don't have to be in the kid's life.
	The woman can compel the state to well, the woman can go to the state to compel the man to pay child support.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	You've just taken away a man's bodily autonomy.
	How?
	It's paying money.
	Two ways.
	So forcing, so financially crippling somebody for a period of 18 years, or maybe you won't categorize it as crippling, but you might.
	Based off of income.
	There are somebody.
	Right, yeah.
	So taking like 20% of somebody's income when people are already paying, like rent is insane, cost of living is insane.
	That can absolutely financially cripple somebody.
	But in addition to that, if you don't work or you make minimal money, the state does have a Trump card where, and by the way, we've done away with debtors' prisons.
	If you owe a debt to somebody, you can't be sent to prison.
	There used to be, if you owed a person or a company money, debtors' prisons, you could be sent to prison, right?
	We've done away with it with one exception: child support.
	Child support is the only debt that you can owe, financial debt that you can owe.
	That if you don't pay it, you can eventually, you know, get sent to prison, sent to jail.
	So, in sort of two ways, you would be taking, and by the way, child support, like 97% of the time, goes from men to women.
	So, while it is the case that some women can pay child support, we do have an example of that.
	I haven't worked in five years and I still have to pay child support.
	I don't have an income.
	Yeah, the system's fucked.
	The system's fucked.
	Yeah, women are fucking crazy.
	Overwhelmingly, men are the ones who pay child support.
	Literally.
	So, you can force a man to work, and if he doesn't work, you can do another attack on his bodily autonomy.
	You can send him to prison.
	You're depriving him of his freedom of movement.
	That's related to bodily autonomy.
	So, yeah.
	It takes two to get pregnant, though, so each should take account.
	Let's use those arguments for abortion.
	You know?
	Oh, Donia, Donia.
	I mean, you're literally a bronze age prisoner.
	But it takes two Both have to take the accountability and a mistake.
	Yeah, but why can women escape from their responsibility?
	How?
	They're the ones having a kid.
	Abortion.
	Okay, the opposite, the opposite side.
	An abortion.
	Yeah, women can escape from responsibility.
	Escape from responsibility.
	Yeah.
	Men can't.
	You're also allowed to go and drop your child off like after you have them if you can't handle it.
	You can go.
	But men don't have that right.
	If a woman wants to put him on child support and wants him to suffer and pay for the child that he didn't want, but she wanted, that's not equality.
	They're not the one carrying the kid.
	That has nothing to do with it.
	As somebody that carried a kid, and that's literally nothing to do with it.
	Having sex is a risk, guys.
	Yeah.
	So with that being said, you get pregnant.
	Everything comes with consequences.
	It's kind of a guy's fault for coming in a woman.
	You don't have to be.
	Someone doesn't have to.
	I don't understand this logic, though.
	So, like, would you be fine if the woman lied about birth control that he can evade responsibility?
	He's definitely fucked up.
	Like his motherfucker.
	Yeah, but can he evade child support?
	Or should he be able to evade child support?
	Yeah.
	But they can't.
	It's impossible that's not.
	No matter how malevolent and evil and scheming and whatever other term you want to use the woman is, the court doesn't give a fuck.
	The woman can, the woman, you don't even have to fuck the woman.
	She can be Drake's groupie who doesn't fuck him.
	I don't know, whatever.
	Go into the trash bin with his condom, inseminate herself.
	He's on the hook for 18 years of child support.
	Isn't it once it touches air?
	It's like, can you know?
	It doesn't lift like seven.
	Yeah.
	Well, the effectiveness of like trash can insemination, I don't know, but there's a lot of things.
	Yes, that's like so fucking.
	No, it was a legit thing.
	When I lived in Miami, that was a lot of those athletes were really concerned about that.
	Women were literally hunting them down.
	Even in the 90s, in the 90s, the NBA advocated that the players, when after you have sex with a woman, first off, be sure to use a condom.
	Make sure that you get a hold of it.
	Tie a knot in the condom and flush it down the toilet.
	Yeah.
	They're like, or turn it in at the end of the night.
	Because so many women, they were literally, the NBA has to warn the players.
	Yes.
	Because so many women would, the guys are like, you know, would rifle through the trash can to try to, because NBA players make good money.
	They're breaking it in.
	They were teaching him not to accept the condoms from them.
	So sorry, I'm being on the table.
	Not to accept the condoms from the women, not to let them dispose of it, not to make sure they kept their eyes on it.
	It's absolutely true.
	Yeah.
	We have chats coming through.
	I apologize for the delay on these.
	I'm dead.
	You got me, big dog.
	Fair play.
	Well done, just kidding.
	Shut that mouth of yours.
	No shit.
	Proof you're a Swifid since she has fans that fake stats trying to dethrone Mike.
	Love if our bro calling a truce.
	You know what?
	I don't know.
	I apologize.
	You sent this in a while ago.
	I was distracted.
	My phone wasn't showing.
	She has who's accidentally clicked off.
	She's trolling buttons.
	I don't know if you're still here watching because I know you said you had to go.
	Janet Jackson better than Michael Jackson.
	Ooh.
	A message from the government.
	Horrible pasty George donated $200.04.
	In Canada, women are considered more than men in the courts and hospitals, including when prescribed certain medications by doctors.
	Men have to jump through hoops just to get what women get easily.
	I hear Canada's kind of there's a lot of issues.
	You know what, Pasty?
	One story I heard.
	It was called sort of a different topic here.
	Oh man, what was it?
	Basically, this man was never married to this woman in Canada, but he was like dating her or something.
	He had to pay her, oh, wait.
	It was called, I think, called palimony.
	They were never married.
	Yeah, I've heard that.
	They were just boyfriend, girlfriend.
	He had to pay her alimony.
	Never married in Canada.
	Were they together for how long?
	Oh, I don't know, a couple years or something.
	But like, if you're not married, maybe, Nick, can you Google that story?
	Yeah.
	Like, that's missing something.
	I mean, there are women that try to sue men here all the time for that same thing.
	It's a standard of living they were used to, but no marriage.
	Hold on.
	Truth bomb donated $200.
	Eptopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion, so she flat out wrong.
	Men are the ones with less rights.
	We get mutilated at birth with no choice at all.
	Oh, that is true.
	I mean, that's another bodily autonomy thing, circumcision.
	Absolutely.
	Thank you, Truth Bomb.
	Appreciate it.
	I'm just going to let these come through.
	I think she's using the bathroom.
	Thank you, Truth Bomb.
	Like trying to pay attention to the business.
	Wow.
	Brian, debating with Chair One is like trying to debate with a KK.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	He's being funny.
	I think it's funny.
	I don't know if it's a total one-to-one comparison, but she has an issue with understanding the concept.
	It's not.
	I don't know.
	Felicity, can I read it?
	Actually, let's have Claire can have you read this one.
	Yeah, it's insane that Chair 5 only pays $1,700 a monthly in child support while she made over $50K a month at one point, but is looking to milk her now husband through feminist family court.
	Men don't know.
	Oh, wow.
	Wow, that's really, this is really funny.
	Well, they dictate what you pay based on what their salary is as well.
	So they take the discrepancies between the two households and then they come up with a price.
	It's not like a flat, one-flat rate for how much I made a month.
	Does that make sense?
	And I'm not trying to milk my ex soon-to-be ex-husband for anything.
	We built businesses together and there was a lot of money invested.
	And I was with him for a long time.
	I think I really knew your staff, right?
	I wonder if it was, you know.
	Hi, maybe my accent, right?
	Please check merch purchases.
	Hold on.
	Oh, wait.
	Is it this?
	I think I found the story.
	That was personal.
	There it is.
	It was.
	Yo, Diego, thank you for the purchase, man.
	I don't know if this is you.
	Is this you, Diego?
	Maybe it is.
	Sorry for the delay on this.
	Thank you for the merch purchase, man.
	Yeah, we should probably do that.
	Hold on one sec.
	And then Claire, can I have you read this one?
	Chair six, do you think that chair one can still be saved?
	Timu, Yoko Ona, your worldview is collapsing every minute that passes.
	Just concede and say you are wrong.
	Can she be saved?
	Just say from back there.
	You said she can be saved.
	Can she be saved?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's fine.
	I can't believe it.
	Alright.
	I don't know if that's you, Diego.
	Thank you, man.
	Am I the Timu?
	No, no, I'm the Timu Yoko.
	Guys, read 100, TTS200.
	Get them in if you'd like.
	Sorry for the delay on some of those recent ones, guys.
	My notifications were not popping properly.
	Hmm.
	Trying to think here.
	I want to get into some of the dating stuff, actually.
	That would be nice.
	Trying to think here.
	I need to get up really quick.
	Felicity, a what?
	A story?
	oh my god what the uh felicity why don't we hold on um why don't you run one through one through five okay
	Do you guys think men should pay on first dates?
	It says men should pay on first dates, and you agree.
	You agree.
	Just ask them the question.
	Do you?
	Just ask them the question one by one.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Why should men pay on first dates?
	I think it shows initiative.
	I agree, especially if most men are like the ones initiating things, then I would say yes.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	I got roasted on this earlier.
	Chivalry.
	In some small way, look at it as it's an investment.
	They're showing that they're willing to invest in the time with you.
	It's kind of like an engagement ring.
	If he's not willing to pay for your dinner, he's not really that interested in you.
	So, yes.
	Okay.
	I do agree with that too.
	If he is really not willing to pay for like dinner, at least on the first date, I think.
	Yeah.
	He's not really into you.
	Okay.
	I think the initiative thing is a good way to describe it.
	So like if a guy, if you were out on a date with a guy and he was like, two checks, would there be another date?
	There wouldn't be two checks either.
	Well, if he's like, let's split.
	No, thank you.
	Would there be another date?
	You just say no.
	It kind of depends on their financial state.
	So you would go on another date, depending on the situation.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I could have understanding if they were like super broke and tried their best, you know?
	Yeah.
	What do you think?
	I'm not opposed to splitting.
	It's just like it would just throw me off a little bit.
	But you would go on another date?
	If I really liked him, then yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, same.
	Depends how the date goes.
	Feels really cool.
	Sure.
	I have snuck and paid for many a meals, but not on a first date.
	So no, absolutely no second date for that.
	For me, that kind of signals like we want to be more just friends.
	Like that's a friends kind of vibe than wanting to date.
	So like for me, that's why I wouldn't be opposed to like splitting 50-50, but that would not be considered a first date for me.
	Okay.
	No.
	I mean, honestly, if I enjoyed the date and I enjoyed the conversation, even if he was like, oh, I'm sorry, I can't get it this time, I personally don't mind paying for it and going on a second date.
	Okay.
	The next statement is: men should provide and protect.
	I think, yeah.
	I think so too.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, who wouldn't bow?
	Who wouldn't bow?
	I fucking win.
	Men should be chivalrous.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	What do you guys think women do?
	Like, if men are chivalrous and they have to provide and protect, like, what do we do?
	Should be reciprocated.
	You think we should be chivalrous too?
	Like, I mean, like, be polite and like respectful and kind and giving as well, you know?
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think that, like, chivalry can also just mean like respect and like showing that you care.
	And so that can go the same way for women, but just like in other ways other than like opening the door and like doing those kinds of things.
	Bowing to the house.
	Bow roast.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Asking.
	So I was like, you guys all think men should be chivalrous and they should provide and protect, but what should women do?
	Well, I mean, I do all sorts of things for my husband.
	Like I clean the house, do the dishes, make dinner every single night.
	I also am home with the kids every single day taking care of the kids.
	So I think you submit, you support, you provide a stable home life for them so they can go out and conquer the world.
	Yeah, I think we should, I don't know, just, I feel like, kind of agree with what everyone was kind of saying.
	Okay.
	Everything that was said by, you know, provide peace and not chaos.
	Right.
	Okay.
	I think the respect thing is a really big thing.
	Like, if, for instance, if my boyfriend told me, you know, I told him I was coming on the podcast and he was against it and he didn't want me to do it, I wouldn't have done it.
	And that's something that I bring to the table with him is I understand that he is a provider and a protector and a great man.
	And honestly, at the end of the day, he would be the head of the household and what the head of the household says is what should go.
	Okay.
	Will you take your husband's last name when you get married?
	Hell no.
	Oh, wait.
	Fuck yeah.
	I don't like my last name though.
	Sorry.
	I almost said the wrong.
	I have a horrid last name.
	Okay, well now you have to tell us.
	Come on.
	Yeah, maybe if you don't.
	Is your last name on your socials?
	I no, no, no, I'm very annoyed about, but I will tell you guys after.
	Okay.
	You'll all laugh.
	I like my last name, so probably, yeah, if he has like a really bad last name, I'm not going to want to change it.
	But I'm not opposed to like, you know.
	Either way.
	It just depends if I like his name better.
	But you think men should be chivalrous and provide and protect and basically be masculine.
	Right?
	Like traditional.
	But you're not going to get married to that.
	That's like traditional to not take his last name.
	Oh, well.
	Would you hyphenate?
	Maybe, yeah.
	It just depends.
	But you want him to be traditional, basically.
	But you're not willing to be traditional to him.
	Well, I think it's different.
	I think just being like chivalrous and showing respect is different than giving up your last name.
	It just depends if his last name sounds better.
	That can be offensive to him if he's like, damn, my wife won't take my last name because she thinks it's ugly.
	I mean, how can you respect a man to be traditional if you're not willing to be traditional?
	I'm not saying that he has to be like traditional in that sense, and then I will also conform to my role as a traditional wife.
	I just think that for the last name thing, I kind of like my last name.
	So, okay.
	Wait, what was the you love your last name?
	I like my last name, yeah.
	Wait, question.
	I don't know how you responded to this, but should men pay for first dates?
	Yes.
	Yes, on all.
	Well, I love my wallet.
	I love my money.
	Why should I give it to you?
	Or well, why should I spend it on you?
	Why should I move to the mic, please?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Okay.
	But you say you like your last name.
	Why should you give it up?
	I like my money.
	Why should I give it up?
	You want guys to pay for first dates?
	You want a guy to be a provider, right?
	I didn't know that not taking the name has that much of a connotation.
	It's just what's traditional.
	It's traditional to take the last name of your husband.
	I didn't know that it was that big of a deal.
	Wait, what's your last?
	Do you have a hyphenated last name?
	You don't have to tell us your last name, but.
	No.
	Do you have your father's last name or your mother's last name?
	They both have the same last name.
	Oh, yeah.
	Before marriage?
	Loophole.
	Loophole.
	That's interesting.
	Are you Korean?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What is that?
	Is it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You're kidding, really?
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	Okay, I guess that's all.
	Hold on, we have this.
	A message from the Government of Canada.
	Thank goodness.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	I don't know about palimony, but there are spousal support cases in Canada where women take their spouses to court for financial assistance and or compensation.
	However, it varies for common law cases.
	Common law is what, 10 years or more, or is it more than I don't even think we have common laws?
	Not everybody recognizes common law.
	Do we have that in California?
	I think that...
	Not in California, but some states there's common law marriage.
	Pennsylvania does.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And Pennsylvania.
	It's like eight years, I believe.
	Seven to eight?
	Seven to eight.
	Yeah.
	Careful, guys.
	In some states, if you live with her long enough or you hold yourself out as if you were, I don't know, you live with her, cohabitate, she can come after you.
	Even if you're not married, she can come after you for child support.
	Just saying.
	Bowsal support.
	Just saying.
	Or wait, what did I say?
	You said child support.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Misspoke.
	Nick, you had an article?
	Yeah, it was sort of a comment on when they got it.
	I'm also going to send you a link.
	Felicity, can you read the title?
	Yeah, but they're common laws.
	Unmarried.
	So they're common law.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Unmarried Ontario couple had no children and no house, but man must still pay support appeal court rules.
	Okay.
	But they're common law, so.
	Okay.
	I sent another one, Nick.
	Pull that up super quick, please.
	Years.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you guys.
	Guys, read is 100.
	TTS is 200.
	Court awards spousal support in case of unmarried partners who lived in separate homes.
	Make it bigger, please.
	Bigger.
	Scroll down.
	Lasting 14 years.
	They lived in separate residences in Toronto, stayed together when they traveled.
	They did not merge their finances or jointly own property, but they presented as a couple in public.
	The man was wealthy.
	She stopped working.
	That's why.
	From the beginning of, as soon as she entered in the relationship, she didn't work.
	So she was dependent upon him for 14 years.
	So I can see how this is a.
	But I see that as a bit of a windfall.
	She didn't have to work for 14 years.
	You know?
	But she has no skills now.
	How's she going to, I mean, how is she going to then go forward after 14 years of life?
	She already had a kid, though.
	She already, like, with a different man, I think.
	I don't know.
	If a man, like, I don't think it's nothing that a man fully provides.
	Like, you don't have to work, live rent-free.
	You don't think you should help her if the relationship ends and you've supported her for 14 years.
	You don't think she needs a little, like a little oomph to get back into the real world?
	If I'm feeling nice, you know.
	But if, I don't know, if I'm not married to her.
	But it's selfish.
	Like, if I still was working, making a huge earning, like I did prior to marriage, I wouldn't be asking for support right now because I financially?
	Oh, was that?
	Like, if I was not supporting a woman financially, I would be better off financially.
	Maybe she should pay me, even if I'm the wealthy one.
	Oh, my God.
	You're crazy.
	She has no skills.
	Can you put those glasses?
	Oh, please.
	Put those glasses on.
	Yeah, put the rose.
	That answer was yes.
	That answer deserves a lot of time.
	Put it on.
	One at a time, one at a time.
	Okay, let me put it to you this way.
	So she didn't work.
	How about 14 years?
	I feel like the scenario, sure.
	Okay, she didn't go to college and she got pregnant at 18 and she didn't gain life skills.
	Okay, what about if I date a hairdresser and she has zero ambitions of ever doing anything more than cutting people's hair?
	And then, yeah, I know.
	No, wait, why are you using that example?
	This woman didn't work for me because in my thought process here is if you cut hair, you have the skill set, and then when you get out of the relationship, you can just go back to what you're doing.
	You can't build clientele.
	It doesn't work that way.
	You can't just get what doesn't.
	And Brian wants her to be homeless.
	I think literally.
	You know.
	I'm just saying, like.
	It's kind of like, it's decent, human decency.
	You take someone for so long.
	Thank you.
	And you don't have to pay them for the extent that you were together.
	They have a smaller range of time that you need to assist them and maintain that lifestyle so they can get back on their feet.
	It is really what it is.
	Parents kick out their kids at 18, too.
	It's kind of like a short.
	Yeah.
	I only get support for a year and a half.
	58 months.
	Huh?
	58 months.
	I don't know what that depends on how much he was making.
	It really isn't.
	There isn't calculation.
	She needs subsistence.
	She gets bare minimum.
	Why am I going to, I'm wealthy and I dated a fucking Chick-fil-A worker.
	And now, all of a sudden, and she was never like just on her own.
	She would have never amounted to ever earning $50,000 a month.
	Now I got to pay this chick $50,000 because we used to fuck.
	That's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Like, what about my needs?
	I'm used to getting pussy.
	Do I still get alimony pussy?
	Do I still get pussy?
	What do you get?
	Do I get court-ordered pussy?
	Do I get some paper?
	Can that be a shirt, please?
	That needs to be a shirt.
	Look, I'm just saying, like, why.
	After 14 years with someone, you're not going to feel bad sending them back to Chick-fil-A.
	They probably still do fuck.
	It depends.
	If she cheated on me, she can get fucked.
	Okay.
	If she cheated on me, she can get fucked up.
	Yeah, I think it's a good thing.
	Yeah, okay, that's fine.
	What should be?
	she's being a fucking pain in the ass probably can still get fucked but if it's like what if it's your he's like you being the pain in the ass I'm perfect.
	Oh, wow.
	No, but look, if it's like mostly amicable, like if it's mostly amicable and she's genuinely like financially, I think, sure, there's a fair argument that you can support her, right?
	For a period.
	Not like 22-year-olds.
	But the current status quo, like, look, I think people can, I don't know, a couple months.
	She gets a couple months, six months.
	Six months.
	Six months.
	You can get a job.
	You're good.
	Okay, you cheated.
	I agree.
	Six months is a good thing.
	If you'd 14 years with this woman, she loved you, relied on you, she was all in, and you're like, you know what?
	I'm done.
	I would like this young piece of ass over here.
	Adios farewell, ta-ta.
	Are you going to give her some support?
	I might like get her some Chili's coupons or something.
	Here's some coupons.
	Starbucks.
	Starbucks coupon.
	Okay.
	Here's, you know.
	No, no alimony pussy.
	Okay, got it.
	Look, look, I mean, these are crazy hypotheticals we're throwing out here.
	That's what you do here.
	Yeah, you do it.
	This whole episode you've been doing it.
	Look, I mean, look, people break up all the time.
	If I'm not, look, if I'm not married to her, if I'm not married to her, if I was supporting you for 14 years and I dropped your ass tomorrow and you were used to me making a million dollars a year.
	I would be like, holy startup, whatever.
	I would like my perspective.
	Maybe this is like just the male perspective.
	I'm like, oh my God, that was so fucking dope.
	I didn't have to work for 15 years.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	I got everything for free.
	And now you're home.
	And I just had to give her some dick.
	Yeah, but okay, but now you have no home.
	When?
	You have nothing now.
	You get nothing.
	People lose their jobs.
	People lose their jobs.
	They find a way.
	She flees.
	I would find a path.
	I would find a path.
	I am finding a path.
	I'm just, again, from my own experience, I'm in the process of finding a path, but like I also contributed to the path that we built.
	So now like.
	Wait, how old were you?
	Or how old were you guys when you got married?
	We were only married for three years.
	But he made all his money after he met me.
	I'm just trying to give you an example.
	No, he did.
	I can let's not act, though.
	There's no acting.
	You were like 18 and naive.
	I could have gone to college if it wasn't for you.
	I could have been a corporate slave.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	You'll get back on your feet.
	Oh, I know.
	I will.
	Again, there's lots of different examples we can set.
	Look, you were married and the laws will protect you.
	Not necessarily, believe me.
	Not necessarily.
	And you know how much it costs for me to even get proven that I believe me, it does not protect you.
	I could still walk away with nothing after spending $50,000 to $100,000 in court fees.
	Believe me.
	Doesn't he have to pay for your lawyer?
	Not always.
	If he can hide them, believe me.
	Okay, well, it is a fun story for another day.
	Sure.
	I want to hear.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	In Canada, there is the child tax benefit for men and women with no skills, and you get more for each child that you have to support.
	Well, what if you don't have to do that?
	It's not that much, though.
	All right.
	Felicity, I'm going to have you read this next one.
	Pasty George, thank you very much.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	We have this next one coming up.
	What was the other thing we had to do?
	AI.
	Yeah, we'll do that super quick.
	Does Pacy take out like a payday loan before every episode?
	I had a friend at uni whose girlfriend often say that he was at a student share house because it was sorry, I'm having a hard time reading the white font.
	It was closer to uni after they both graduated, claimed.
	Hold on, I'll pull it back up.
	One sec.
	Rational.
	Thank you, man.
	A de facto settlement and got half of his inheritance.
	That's fucked.
	That's fucked up.
	Really?
	Inheritance, though?
	I thought inheritance wasn't something that you can actually get a dip on.
	That famous streamer XQC, didn't his girlfriend, like try to get him for this?
	Like, they weren't married or something.
	And like, she tried to get some of his money.
	Chat, are you guys more familiar with the case?
	But basically, not married.
	They were just dating, living together.
	And she like tried to go after him for money.
	I don't know the details on it, though.
	California, you can't go after inheritance.
	Apparently, she's suing them pretending.
	Jesus.
	Yeah.
	Oh, she's claiming common law.
	Yeah, it got dismissed.
	But apparently, she's like reopened the case or something, or she's tried to sue him a couple times.
	WXQC, we should get this guy on the podcast, by the way.
	Imagine that.
	Imagine him on the podcast.
	That'd be fun.
	I'd love to actually, even not on the dating talk, just interview him.
	Anybody in the chat know that guy?
	XQC?
	I just want to interview him about the whole lawsuit or whatever.
	I don't know if he even would talk about it, but okay, let's get into some of the notes here.
	We've talked about some crazy shit.
	Crazy shit.
	Let's see here.
	Going to you.
	Oh, God.
	You said your first, actually, no, I should.
	I'll come back to your notes because I've already given you a lot of attention.
	Let's do Claire.
	Claire.
	Let's see, one sec.
	You said you really, you haven't really officially dated that many guys.
	You've just been caught up in a lot of situationships.
	Not a lot.
	Just like.
	Well, you wrote a lot.
	Yeah.
	What's a lot?
	How many situationships have you been caught up in?
	Well, more than dating, so maybe like three situationships and then two actual official relationships.
	Okay.
	You said you're an avid, avid hinge user until you got permanently banned.
	Yeah.
	What?
	It was like such a stupid choice.
	It was because I deleted my account and then I made a new one and I just put my name as like, I think it was like Gorlock the Destroyer, which is funny because she was on here.
	I know.
	And then I just like put some random pictures and then like me and my friends are just like trolling people.
	Oh, that's not nice.
	Yeah.
	People love that.
	Yeah, that's pretty low.
	That'll get you banned.
	You said that you loved.
	Wait, one sec.
	Let me let this come through from Pasty.
	A message from the Government of Canada.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	I also forgot to mention that there are more support programs and funding for women than men in Canada.
	There are hardly any support programs and funding for single fathers.
	Yeah, I mean, you see that in a whole bunch of different ways, you know, like DV shelters, just all kinds of different varying differentials when it comes to support.
	Also, Pacey George, you now need to run for prime minister because of the little noise ding thing.
	Government, you're gonna, you're the new PM, I guess.
	You love to use Hinge as a tool.
	What does that, what does that mean?
	Yeah, well, just if I needed like a question, like that about like maybe like, I don't know, something that it was about like cars.
	Like homework or something?
	Yeah, like homework or like that.
	Like you'd match with a guy and be like, I'll go on a date with you if you do my job.
	No, no, just like, I wouldn't even say like, yeah, like we'll go on a date.
	It's just like, oh, I need help with this.
	Or like, do you know like about cars?
	Because I'm not sure.
	Like change a light bulb or something?
	Wait, so question.
	So what were some of the things that like you actually had them do though?
	So did a guy actually come and help you with your car?
	No, no, just like researching about like what kind of car I wanted or like if it was worth their like what models were like the best because like I don't know I just figured guys about talk about cars.
	Yeah exactly.
	But why Hinge specifically?
	Like I feel like Instagram or any other social media more like available there like they're they want to talk to because if I just DM'd random guys like I feel like they wouldn't get back to me in time.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Or like I was in New York with my friends and then we were just kind of like, we were like oh like, who wants to come hang up with us?
	And so we got this guy to like buy us like karaoke and like Ubers, like to the hotel and stuff.
	So any any other examples like that where, like you did maybe meet up with the guy and you got him to do things other than that?
	No, just like, just like help.
	And was the guy cool or weird?
	Um, he didn't really speak good English, so he kind of just sat in like the background, took advantage of an illegal immigrant.
	No, he was Korean.
	Actually, why does he have to be illegal immigrant?
	No, he wasn't illegal.
	He went to.
	He's just bad at speaking English.
	Do you speak Korean?
	Not that well oh okay, so he spoke Korean and bad English.
	Um yeah, what?
	Um, not that that matters, but it's just like he wasn't, like he wasn't the life of the party per se, like he just kind of hung out.
	Either of you interested in him, either of me or my friend.
	You said you were with a girlfriend.
	I was with one of my girlfriends, but she's in a long-term relationship with her boyfriend, who was there too, and then their friend.
	So it's wait.
	So this poor New York Korea man, he ubered around you your girlfriend and her boyfriend boyfriend and their other guy friend.
	Yeah, so two girls and two guys yeah.
	So he shows up and there's two girls and two guys.
	Yeah, did he know that there were gonna be two guys?
	Yeah, I was just like oh, like me and my friends.
	Did you say explicitly?
	But did you explicitly say that?
	No, I wasn't like me and my two male Male friends and then one female friend.
	I was just like, oh, me and my kids are out right now.
	First off, I would never fall for this trap.
	But if I showed up and I'm like, oh no, I'm on a date with two girls and their boyfriend.
	Well, I said, like, I didn't say it's like a date, like, one-on-one with him.
	Well, it's kind of implied if you meet on a dating app.
	Well, I think he had a good time anyway.
	Like, it's not called friend app.
	It's called dating app, you know?
	Did either of you.
	Well, I guess you were the only single one.
	Did you like hook up with him?
	No.
	Were you even into him?
	No.
	Wait, before you made him come out, were you into him?
	No.
	He's just the first one to reply.
	So was he into you?
	I would assume if he did all that, then yeah.
	Did he try to make a move?
	I think he was like, oh, like, you owe me something at the end of the day, but I never ended up.
	That's weird.
	That's weird.
	Yeah.
	So he said that.
	I'm not.
	I'm not.
	I'm not like that.
	But I was just like, I think he got too nervous.
	And it's because I'm with my guy friends too, I think.
	And the language barrier, I don't think he was confident enough to be like, oh, yeah, like now you have to give me a kiss or something.
	He might have been saying it in Korean.
	You had no idea.
	Were you just not attracted to the guy?
	I wasn't, no.
	But so why?
	And he paid for your shit?
	He paid for Ubers and did he pay for food?
	Well, like karaoke and stuff like that.
	Am I just karaoke?
	I don't know.
	I would left it up to him.
	Romance scam.
	Romance scam.
	You romance scam this poor and you did it to your own kind, too.
	Like, you know, it's like this poor Korean guy, you know?
	Like, he's like, he's like one of those rich ones.
	Like, he was like decked out in Rajala.
	You have no guilt.
	Race traitor.
	I don't.
	I'd never said I liked him.
	I just want to hang out.
	Traitor.
	Bro, you can't, how you gonna, come on, man.
	You can't finesse your own race.
	I guess you can, but.
	I feel like that's fair game then.
	Wait, it's like mind my game.
	You feel like it's better to like.
	I don't know.
	You met on a dating app where it is implied that you are going to meet up because you're looking for a connection.
	So I do think that that's.
	How about this?
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	Well, I don't know how the reverse.
	I suppose the comparable.
	But guys do this all the time.
	So I feel like it's not a good example.
	I think it's wrong.
	But the example I would give, how would you feel?
	Well, I don't know if you're even opposed to this.
	A guy leads you on that he's interested in a relationship to get in your pants.
	But he just wanted sex and then he ghosts you.
	Would you feel like used?
	Well, yeah, but it depends.
	Like, was he like upfront about it?
	Like, this is, like, I don't want a relationship, whatever.
	It's, like, casual.
	But I'll know if you're, because I think in some of your notes, it sounds like you're kind of a bit more open to, like, more casual dating.
	So I don't know if you'd actually even have a problem with just having like casual sex with a guy.
	I mean, I haven't, but I feel like I don't know.
	I think that if it's clear on both sides and they're not like telling you that they want a relationship and then just.
	I'm trying to think what, like, because I feel it's hard for a guy to finesse a woman in this way early on just because we got some pizza here coming out for you guys.
	Oh, my gosh.
	I'm sorry.
	Damn, you gave her, and she was asking about the food.
	You gave her the poverty slice.
	Those are some thin fucking slices.
	It's too put together.
	I don't know.
	They gave her.
	There's two pieces.
	They gave it.
	Well, look at it.
	Hold that.
	Wait, show that to the camera.
	Look at.
	What the fuck?
	Just don't spill it if you can, but damn, what are these fucking pizza slices, bro?
	So Zempic pizza.
	Like in grade school, you know how there were 30 kids.
	Poor girl is going to starve here.
	Well, there's more.
	Oh, there's more?
	Okay.
	Gave her the smallest slices possible.
	So, okay, so you kind of used one of the things that I've done.
	But to be fair, I asked her.
	Hers is way longer.
	Mine's smaller.
	I don't have a big baby, I know.
	But to be fair, I did ask, like, who wants to go and get biased stuff, like karaoke and like whatever.
	It's okay.
	You finessed.
	You used the guy.
	Well, not okay, but have you done that?
	Have you ever done that other times, or was that the only time?
	No, that was the only time.
	Okay, poor Korean guy.
	R.I.P. in the chat for Korean NYC, man.
	You said that you don't think dating is a necessity.
	Oh, you just passed.
	I'm just passing it down.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	I just watched mine.
	Oh, no, you've won.
	It's okay.
	You don't think dating is a necessity.
	You said you've always seen love around you and wanted to be in love and be loved so badly, but you think focusing solely on romantic love distracts you from feeling and appreciating other kinds of love, especially love you receive from family and friends.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	I stand by that.
	I think that it's not like necessity.
	No, talking to her.
	Go ahead, keep going.
	Oh, I don't know.
	I agree with what I said.
	By the way, I like did this all in the span of like five minutes, so like I don't know how well it's written.
	No, it's fine.
	I know it was last minute.
	So when you say you don't think dating is a necessity, what do you mean?
	Like, are you fine just having more like situationship, casual things?
	Well, I just meant dating or like having any kind of relationship in general.
	It's not a priority.
	It's not a priority.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	And it shouldn't be the number one thing that you think about.
	What should be the number one thing?
	I think just like your future, like maybe your job or like, you know, where you, what you want to do in your life.
	Should it ever be a priority at like certain stages of life?
	I think so, yeah.
	Okay.
	When do you think it'll be a priority for you?
	I think when the time comes, like I'm not actively looking for it, but like I would like to meet someone over there.
	Like not at 40, right?
	No, not at 40.
	Maybe younger, yeah.
	Maybe mid-20s.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not opposed to waiting.
	Like it's not like I need to rush and get into something that you said.
	Your general thoughts on modern dating is that people take it way too seriously, especially when you watch shows from the 90s and early 2000s, Sex in the City.
	You said you see how differently people view dating as more casual.
	So you're saying like if you look at certain media like Sex in the City, dating was way more casual.
	Yeah, it's like you date somebody not to marry specifically, but just like, you know, to see what you like, what your likes and dislikes are in a relationship.
	And the girls would be dating multiple guys.
	Yeah, and the guys would be dating multiple girls until they established, hey, like, I really like this person and I want to make it exclusive with them.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, Sex and the City, it's obviously fictional Hollywood production.
	Well, I mean, it's produced in New York, but and it's probably somewhat close to like how dating was.
	Oh, you know, the thing is, though.
	Because like back then, there weren't like situation shifts and like talking stages and like I can't call like I can't date this person because I think we've moved.
	While there's always been people who were like, you know, kind of dating around or whatever, I think we've moved more towards the direction of people not like I think it was more common in the 90s and early 2000s for people to not be dating multiple people.
	I think that that's more common now than it was in the 90s and 2000s.
	I think it was not to say it didn't happen, but I think it's more common to be like you meet somebody and you see where it goes and sometimes it goes nowhere.
	Then you go date somebody else.
	But I do think it's more accessible.
	Now, yeah, in the 90s, you couldn't just go like on your Instagram.
	There was no Instagram.
	You couldn't go like hit up 20 chicks and be like, what are you doing?
	You had to meet organically.
	Yes.
	You had to meet organically.
	Hit me up on the pager.
	Maybe you're in MySpace.
	Yeah, MySpace, Facebook.
	Yeah.
	Well, that wasn't in the 90s.
	MySpace is in the 2000s.
	Oh, yeah, MySpace, like late 2000s, mid-late 2000s.
	Maybe a senior in high school when MySpace was really cool.
	I was a lot older than that.
	Okay.
	And wait, question for you, Claire.
	Because maybe I or wait.
	Hold on.
	Actually, here, I'm going to do a panel question.
	A woman's past should not matter.
	To which you agree.
	Claire, you agree.
	This is related to body count.
	Oh, let's get rid of her, the fucking girl who wants me on the lives.
	Jeanette.
	Me.
	Agree.
	Okay.
	And then Christina, Tina, you agree.
	Why is that?
	Why should a woman's past not matter?
	Why is that?
	You're eating.
	That's fine.
	Anybody want to weigh in here?
	I'll speak for her.
	I'm just kidding.
	Get it, Lindsay.
	Anybody?
	Anybody?
	A woman's.
	I mean, I think it should matter in certain.
	I don't even know what it is.
	Are you a murderer?
	That matters.
	I mean, I think it matters because I think it's a really good understanding of how someone is.
	But also, it matters if, you know, you've got a certain moral compass.
	And, you know, I'm going to wash my hands.
	I guess I just wouldn't hold against a guy with his body cult, so I'd expect him to not, if we've both grown and changed as people over time.
	You know, like people grow and people change, and you know.
	Okay.
	By the way, is there more pizza?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	How much?
	How many slices?
	Anybody want more?
	We might just want to feed the guests.
	I don't think anybody, it's fine.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Well, if anybody wants more later, we can give you fit.
	Okay, well, you know, if a woman's past should not matter, I have to, I'm going to wait until everybody's back at the table for this.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Unless she has those TDs.
	Shit, that would fucking suck.
	Oh, here, really quick.
	I'm going to dive into this.
	Women are just as physically strong as men.
	Claire, you circled that you agree with that statement.
	Olivia?
	What?
	That's you?
	Yeah.
	You said women are just as physically strong as men.
	I think generally, no.
	I do think, like I said, being in the fitness space, I definitely know there's like.
	Have you seen her?
	Yeah, she's fit.
	Here, double by.
	Let's see, double by.
	She's not on the camera now, no.
	She's sturdy.
	See?
	I wouldn't mind watching this like an arm wrestle right now.
	You mostly train legs, right?
	I trained quad flex.
	I do have you know that Jay Cutler where he like the Olympia just happened too.
	Yeah.
	But you know that Jay Cutler Cutler clip where he like shakes the leg and he like he like stomps down.
	Can you do that?
	I mean, you can, but it's not going to have the same effect.
	Yes.
	Cutler's quad is the size of your whole body.
	I like C-bombs.
	Well, Chris Bumps did.
	His.
	Yeah.
	I can't go on for that.
	But yeah.
	I think generally overall, I think men are definitely stronger than women.
	There's always, like I always say, there's always exceptions to the rule.
	There's always going to be like those one outliers, but generally, I think men are stronger.
	Yeah, I mean, I would agree.
	There are women who are stronger than men.
	Your take, though?
	Yeah, I said they can be stronger than men, like certain women, but men are stronger than women.
	Yeah, like physical.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	No debate there then.
	I'm waiting for everybody to return for my next thing here.
	You know what?
	I think what we'll do while I'm just waiting here, I'll do a little admin.
	Oh, we needed to do.
	Oh, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time, starting with you?
	I hope so.
	I get that you hope, but do you think?
	I'll be 32, so maybe not, you know, unless I get a little Botox.
	You're 18, better looking in 10 years' time at 28?
	Yeah, I think so.
	38?
	I don't know.
	I'll have to see.
	What do you think?
	I think, yeah.
	Why not?
	48?
	Better looking than now?
	I don't know.
	I just know I already have good aging genetics.
	So I would hope so.
	What is it?
	Asian don't raisin or something?
	I've never heard that before.
	It is a thing.
	I've heard black don't crag, but not Asian don't raise.
	Okay, well when do you think your peak physically will be in terms of looks?
	I would hope in my like 20s to 30s, but I just know that like like after a certain age for like Asian women, like they kind of turn into like a Jamaica.
	I don't know if you know what that is.
	Like they get the visors and like the yeah.
	So I think that's that's went on though.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	No.
	Oh better, sorry, better looking in 10 years.
	And then you're 37, better looking at 27.
	Sure.
	I think I peaked at like 29.
	Okay.
	And then 18, better looking at 18 versus 37.
	No.
	Better looking now.
	Yeah.
	At 37?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Oh, she's gone.
	You're 43 better looking in 10 years time?
	53.
	Definitely not.
	And then you're 43 better looking at 33.
	I peaked at 37 was my absolute peak.
	That was the height of it all.
	I'm sorry.
	Was I better looking at 33?
	Versus 43, yeah.
	I'm sure I would assume most people would think I looked better at 33.
	And then 23 versus 43?
	I don't know.
	I looked better at 33.
	But 23 versus 43?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Fuck, I'll take 43 over 23.
	Personally.
	So you'll take 23?
	I'll take what I look like at 43 over what I look like at 23.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	And 23 versus 33?
	Yeah, I looked better in my 30s and 40s, honestly.
	All right.
	What about you?
	23, better looking 33?
	Yes.
	43?
	Possibly yes.
	53?
	No.
	Okay.
	37, better looking 47?
	No.
	37, better looking 27?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Better looking 18 versus 37?
	No.
	Closer to the mic?
	No.
	Okay, so better looking at 37 versus at 18.
	What about 18 to 20?
	I would take my youth back, I guess.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Yeah, to be honest.
	What about you?
	30, better looking 40?
	No, probably not.
	White people don't age very well.
	Okay, better looking.
	Better looking at 20.
	No, I think I'm better looking now.
	Better looking now at 30?
	Okay.
	Felicity, what about you?
	No.
	All right, guys, we've lowered the TTS to $69, $69 TTS if you want to get it in.
	A message from the government of Canada.
	Oh, my lord.
	Pasty George donated $200.04.
	Is anyone up for coffee or tea?
	I can do a pop for that.
	What do you think, Brian?
	Could do this.
	Should I do a coffee?
	Where is my iPhone AirPop?
	I have dainty manhands.
	I can't carry this heavy iPhone 17 Pro.
	I need the iPhone Air so I don't get carpal tunnel syndrome.
	This is incredibly rude, Pasty George.
	But does anybody want coffee or tea or something?
	He wants to do a coffee?
	Yeah, Crystal is not an option.
	Crystal is for an Ethereum.
	I don't know if Pasty's a crypto guy, to be honest.
	Otherwise, we could do an Ethereum.
	I feel like the women, you guys would prefer champagne over...
	Yeah.
	Well, first off, who would actually drink champagne?
	I think everyone at the table.
	Well, she's.
	Oh, she's not.
	Oh, I'm so sorry.
	But everyone else.
	We have sparkling cider, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Well, if you want Pasty George, you know, the Ethereum.
	The Ethereum option is there for the Crystal.
	Otherwise, you can pop a regular champagne bottle.
	Can you make those an Ethereum just for once?
	Like, let's do a record thing.
	Because I don't think it's ever happened, has it?
	No one's ever crystal.
	I think we've done what is that, 10.
	She joins a very, no, Ethereum's at like 4,000.
	It's fluctuated.
	It's around 4,000.
	So, actually, but wait, I think the.
	He got the club prices in here.
	No, Ogo popped the Ethereum or popped the Crystal.
	Hold on.
	Well, actually, the Crystal Pop is half an Ethereum.
	So to pop Crystal, it's about $2,000.
	That's literally what you'd pay in a nightclub.
	Welcome to the whatever.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Welcome to the like 20 years ago.
	And they're pricey.
	They're like 500 bucks or something for the Crystal bottles.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait, we were going around.
	Oh, look better.
	Oh, guys, fun segment.
	Fun segment.
	We've put all of you through AI.
	Do we have gender too or just?
	Oh, is this mean?
	We've put all of you through AI.
	$69 TTS, boys.
	Get it in.
	$69 TTS.
	Is this like a character?
	What do you mean, put me through AI?
	of you guys say better looking but we are yeah this will blast through this segment quick Okay, go ahead.
	This is like an aging.
	We've aged all of you.
	Because some of you, you know, better looking.
	We've aged all of you.
	All right, next.
	Oh, that's mean.
	Took some milk.
	I look really skinny.
	Yeah, I just feel like nice.
	You feel like I do.
	All right.
	Next.
	I'm already worried.
	Oh, wow.
	They made you dirty.
	I'm going to be the worst.
	Hey, you know, look, aging, aging, you know?
	All right.
	Oh, that's what we saw the inside of her heart.
	Oh, right.
	You see?
	I don't think I'm going to be.
	Oh, my God.
	Look cute.
	I think you look cute.
	I don't lie.
	Serious.
	Into the mics if you can, if you're going to speak.
	Okay.
	Oh.
	Oh, you little.
	You look like a little chicken nugget.
	Look at you.
	Wow.
	I don't know if that's a compliment or.
	No.
	How do you feel?
	Cute.
	Watch out.
	She's got.
	Are you mad?
	She might beat you up.
	That's fine.
	I think she's funny.
	I don't know.
	Hold on.
	You're going to let her call you a little chicken nugget?
	I mean, I don't think these look good in general.
	You're like a chicken nugget.
	Brian, you're a chicken nugget without the age advancement.
	Okay.
	Next.
	Here we go.
	Oh, cool.
	Cool.
	Lindsay, you look great.
	Thanks.
	We love it.
	Next.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, yeah.
	Next.
	Did you dirty on this one, Felicity?
	Yeah, what did they do?
	Oh, that's cute.
	Oh, they got Brian.
	She kind of looks like a turtle.
	All right, when's Brian?
	Who's the third?
	So fucking mean.
	What?
	She said, you look like a turtle.
	Yeah, no.
	Turtles are my spirit animal.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Oh, wow.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	All right.
	Okay, Santa.
	Looks like Father Coon.
	He looks like Earl down at the looker store.
	No.
	That's accurate.
	So much worse.
	That's crazy.
	Okay.
	That was so fun.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you're welcome.
	Thank you for that.
	But hold on.
	Gender swap.
	Great.
	Oh, Lord.
	Would you date?
	Why is your nose?
	Like, what do you date yourself?
	What I can do is your nose.
	Made it bigger.
	What would they date that guy?
	The question is: would you date the male version of the girl?
	No.
	I would not, actually.
	Oh, there.
	Okay.
	Would you date the male?
	What did they do to your ear?
	Maybe.
	She's the one with the beard.
	The other one?
	With the beard?
	Beard.
	You're bad.
	All right.
	Oh, question for you on this.
	Do you have like a preference when it comes to dating?
	Like, would you date an Asian guy, white guy, black eye?
	Yeah, I would date anyone.
	Anybody?
	I feel like if they're hot, they're hot.
	They're hot, they're hot.
	Because we've had a couple Asian women who are like, don't want to date Asian guys.
	I don't know.
	So it's kind of a phenomenon, I guess.
	Obviously, not all of them.
	That's right.
	You're married to me.
	My husband doesn't want to date an Asian girl because he says it reminds him of his mom.
	No.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	All right.
	Oh, wow.
	What the hell?
	Oh, that was good.
	Leave it there.
	They're being so mean to me.
	That's a good one.
	It looks like his name is Felipe.
	They look like they extended your original face.
	Bro, what are you guys doing?
	Fucking caricatures here?
	What the fuck?
	Would you date him?
	No.
	Somebody said he looks like a little bit of a music.
	Next.
	Give me a redhead.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, shit.
	Yikes.
	Oh, wait.
	Wait, okay.
	Actually, yeah, not bad, right?
	Yeah.
	That's actually not bad.
	Into the mic, into the mic.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, wait, can I have you scoot your mic that way?
	This way?
	Yeah, like scoot it that way.
	So, yes, you would.
	Would I bang the male version of myself?
	It looks like my brother, so no.
	I guess you don't think he's attractive.
	Oh, yeah, he's attractive.
	My brother's attractive.
	So, you whoa, okay.
	Pump the brakes.
	I can acknowledge my child's attractive.
	I can acknowledge my it doesn't mean sexual.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm giving you a hard time.
	Next, yes.
	Would you date him?
	You're cute.
	You are a really cute boy.
	Would you date him?
	Into the mic.
	Closer, please.
	Yeah.
	Maybe, maybe I'd ask him for help on him.
	What's wrong with him?
	Tell me what's wrong with him.
	That's this one.
	Oh, yeah.
	Just that's a no.
	Yeah, that's a no.
	No, no.
	Why not?
	What's wrong with him?
	Just what?
	He looks so nice.
	Does he look too nice?
	Yeah.
	Let her speak.
	Let her speak.
	Okay, so this is kind of strange, but like, so I am adopted, but he kind of does remind me of my dad.
	Wait.
	It's this is.
	I don't know.
	He doesn't all look like my dad, but just it's like.
	Never mind.
	Never mind.
	What?
	Nothing.
	How many don't need a repeat of last time?
	Oh, come on, relax.
	So no, you wouldn't date him.
	Like, do you not date Asian guys?
	Or are you not attracted to Asian men?
	They're all, I would say, attractive Asian guys, but usually they aren't my type.
	Have you ever dated an Asian guy?
	I've went on foot states with Asian dudes, but no.
	Have you, you've never just a first date, never a second date, even?
	No.
	Hookup?
	No.
	Have you ever dated an Asian guy?
	Um, like come close, yeah.
	Come close.
	So you went on a first date?
	No, just like, just like, that's like your situation.
	You said you've had a few situationships, like two or three or something?
	A lot, I think, or no, you said a lot.
	I said a lot, but I don't really.
	Have any of your situationships been an Asian guy?
	Yeah, one of them was like half Japanese.
	I don't know if he's watching right now.
	Like Washington?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But no Asian guys.
	What's your go-to?
	White guys?
	Black guys?
	Like Italian?
	Italian?
	White, I guess.
	Yes, they are.
	Yeah.
	Italian guys.
	So maybe I'll be your type.
	Was she your type?
	Was her?
	Both Italian.
	Was she your type?
	People are attractive.
	Oh, yeah.
	How do you do it?
	Next.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yes, one.
	So you would date me.
	Yeah, I would.
	I would.
	So she isn't too Italian.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	I mean.
	Kind of like Jim Carrey a little bit.
	No, it doesn't.
	Yes, it does.
	Like a little bit.
	I know it does.
	What?
	The eyes?
	Can we take a moment and look at the second picture that the lipstick is draining down his face to make an out?
	Next.
	He's a whore.
	Oh, you're cute.
	You look very Republican.
	Yeah, you do.
	You look very Republican.
	Totally.
	Answers, please.
	No, I would not.
	That's not my type.
	Okay.
	That's cool.
	I didn't even see that one.
	Oh, that sucks.
	You should have been paying attention.
	I was.
	Clearly, you weren't.
	All right.
	It's like first split second.
	Wait, hold on.
	Here, this one's just going to be a read, Felicity.
	I need to change the second.
	It is phenomenon with Asians in America that don't date their own for some reason.
	Is it mostly mostly the case with the women, though?
	Like, isn't it the case that Asian men less so than Asian women date outside their race?
	So, this phenomenon seems to be a little bit gendered.
	But, okay.
	Hold on, let me.
	I need to fix the TTS.
	Technically, the read is a little better than the TTS.
	You get to hear Felicity's deep voice.
	Thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Good talk.
	Tag donated $69.
	Thank you, Tag.
	Can you ask Felicity as a former guest and now an employee to say a few things about what she's learned about women from being on the podcast?
	Keep up the great work, Brian.
	No pressure.
	I've learned to get to the point.
	No point in adding extra bullshit details that nobody cares about.
	It just makes the show go on longer.
	Good morning.
	Pasty George donated 70.
	Thank you, Tag.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Unfortunately, I haven't dealt with crypto for the last five years.
	I suggested coffee and tea for those who don't want or cannot drink champagne.
	So, what'll it be?
	Well, everybody here wanted champagne.
	No, no, I'm sober.
	How long have you been sober for?
	Four months.
	This is the time.
	What the?
	Oh, my God.
	You're so bad.
	What do you mean?
	That's a horrible thing.
	I'll give you this much champagne.
	No!
	You can't do that.
	Here, we'll hold you.
	Well, Claire, if we do get a champagne pop, Claire will get some apple cider.
	We can just give you apple cider.
	Yeah, I'm okay.
	Yeah, okay, but where's your AI?
	Where's your AI?
	Your picture.
	Oh, yeah.
	Thank you, Felicity.
	You're welcome.
	You have it?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	No problem.
	Okay.
	No, no.
	All right, next.
	Oh, there we go.
	This is the good lady.
	Oh, she's cute.
	Yep.
	Definitely would date.
	Has anyone noticed how Brian's eyes are?
	I date the girl you, not the guy you.
	Did you guys hear me?
	No.
	Has anyone noticed how blue Brian's eyes are?
	Have you noticed?
	Have you guys noticed that?
	No.
	Have you noticed?
	I'm like looking in the eyes for a little bit.
	Or where's the.
	What about when you were younger?
	Can we see that?
	Oh, my gosh.
	Maybe.
	Maybe later.
	Maybe later.
	Maybe later, Felicity.
	Thank you.
	Not appreciating it.
	Thank you for that.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it, Felicity.
	Okay, back to the show notes here.
	Okay, we got to blast through.
	Hold on one sec, guys.
	Blasting through.
	Oh, we were doing the body count thing.
	Okay, woman's passion not matter.
	Oh, yeah.
	So some of y'all said woman's passion not matter.
	If that's the case, what's your body count?
	Like, I think it's like 40.
	Okay.
	I'm being like, I'm going over from what I actually think.
	Sure.
	Can I pass?
	You gotta answer.
	You gotta answer.
	I have no idea.
	Do I have to?
	Give us a range.
	Range?
	You want to do range?
	Like, no, it's just two.
	Oh.
	Yeah.
	Wait, what?
	Just curious.
	Just curious.
	What was the hesitation?
	Do you feel like two is high?
	Do you think it's too low?
	What do you think?
	No, it just feels weird saying that on a live stream, but no, I think it's.
	I don't think that's crazy or anything.
	And okay, what about you?
	Two.
	Two?
	Okay.
	Yep.
	Two?
	Two.
	Two.
	Yes.
	Two?
	Two.
	37?
	Two.
	Dan, bro.
	You're like double arrange.
	I've been married.
	Same boys.
	Shit.
	Two.
	Sorry, player.
	I didn't mean to throw you under the bus there.
	Body count?
	I've been in monogamous relationships for like 15 years, so maybe 20.
	Did you, when you were doing like the content stuff, were you doing like mainstream corn?
	No, not at all.
	Like I was by myself.
	I was very, I was not promiscuous in any way outside of that.
	My life didn't match the fact that I was doing that.
	It was a whole conundrum.
	So, no.
	Gotcha.
	Yeah.
	Body count.
	Greater than one.
	Range.
	Do you want to do range?
	Come on.
	Everyone's a good sport.
	But range?
	I'm not going to say.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Be a good sport.
	Is it more than mine?
	No.
	Oh, you're good then.
	No, no, no.
	So it's 39.
	Do you want to ballpark it?
	Like, if you, I don't know.
	Here, a couple clarifying questions.
	Have you forgotten what it is?
	No.
	So you do know what it is.
	Like, you haven't lost track or something.
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you want to do a range this to this?
	That's fair, right?
	That's fair.
	Um, it's like 20, 21.
	Okay, 20, 21.
	Okay.
	I'm going to give the same answer I gave before.
	It's between me and my partner.
	I'm not going to say it.
	There's nothing you can say.
	Ballpark range.
	Not going to happen.
	Not even if you ask me a million times in five different ways.
	Private, between me and my person.
	How many women have you been with?
	Can you answer that?
	None.
	Okay.
	Went nowhere.
	Not after tonight, Lindsay.
	Oh, shit.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Have you brought Kistogra?
	Eight.
	Felicity.
	One.
	Okay.
	There it is.
	Really?
	No, it's two.
	I just love it.
	Brian, your turn.
	Barrio Wisdom donated $69.
	I definitely date female Dixon a weekend.
	Wow.
	At first, I did expect a boat from her.
	Oh, she would not do that.
	She would be like a boss babe.
	She does look a little feministy, though.
	The male, the female version of her.
	No, no, I dated her.
	That's why.
	Woo!
	Yeah!
	Yo, pasty!
	Here you go.
	Enjoy champagne.
	Yes.
	Thanks, pasty.
	Come on, you know, you want to see drunk Brian.
	Wait, does that happen?
	Oh, it's happened.
	Does it?
	Thank you, Pasty Man.
	Thank you.
	Sorry, I was a little distracted there.
	You're a fucking legend, sir.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	You're a legend.
	Champagne poppier.
	We should all do it.
	Freaking legendary.
	And then can you guys get going one of the apple ciders for the other peeps?
	And then let's also get some cups for Favour.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Thank you guys.
	This is going to take me about a minute to get opened.
	I'm really good at it.
	Oh, wait, is this one of the shh?
	The shitty ones?
	Lovely.
	Yeah, I guess we can tap those.
	Boom.
	They're cool cups.
	Can I say something?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I mean this very respectfully, but I had a time limit that was given to me, and I have to go because he is my ride and my lover.
	So well, I mean, in the thing, it does say, like, we may have to go later, and we didn't even get to your notes.
	Like, should we just at least get to your notes here?
	How about that?
	Can do that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I don't mean to run.
	This is why the wage gap exists, by the way.
	No, it doesn't.
	Like women see that.
	Oh, I've been to bars and nightclubs and stayed up till 3 a.m.
	But oh my god, it's oh, she's been a good sport.
	But it goes to like the respect thing of what you bring to the table for your man.
	And one of the things you live an hour away, right?
	And he's your ride home.
	He's my ride and he gets up at 5 a.m.
	So he came to support me.
	All right.
	And I don't want to be in trouble later.
	Wait, do you have like a local hotel or something?
	I'm just confused.
	No, I live in Oxnard.
	Oh, you're local?
	Yeah.
	But he drove me.
	And you don't drive?
	I do, but he wanted to be supportive of me and bring me and protect and provide.
	Yeah, he did.
	He was worried about me coming out here by myself.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, your notes here.
	Hold on.
	Sorry, I'm trying to find it.
	Christina, right?
	Yeah, that's me.
	Okay.
	You said you were in a situation for five years.
	You broke into his house, caught him cheating.
	Wait, why did he start with this?
	I was a retired crash out, or I am a retired crash out, I guess you could say.
	We were supposed to hang out.
	It was late at night.
	He told me to come over, and then I got to his house and he's like, oh, I have to take my mom to Chew Mash.
	And basically, something just instinctively told me to go check the back door.
	And I went into the back door.
	It was open.
	I went upstairs and I found a female's purse on the bed.
	And I just tore it open and tore, like, threw something at his TV that he loved very, very much.
	And I like literally just saw red.
	There was some chocolate cake.
	I spread it all over the bed.
	And then after I destroyed everything, he came home and he found me or like I came downstairs.
	We intersected each other.
	And then he's like, it was crazy.
	And at some point, I made it to the back where he keeps his weed.
	And I took an ounce of weed for him from him as like my collateral damage.
	Wow.
	Yeah, and he dragged, he had to drag you out of the house.
	Yes, he did.
	Because, okay.
	Was there like, did you get in trouble with the law or anything?
	They called me when I was already home and they asked me, oh, were you there?
	Did you go into the house?
	And I pretty much was like, no, I've been home.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	So bad.
	Okay.
	Also, you said that the episode you just watched, Brian said that pregnancy wasn't a disability, but you disagree with that and a couple other topics.
	Yes, the pregnancy thing, just because you can't actually get state disability if you're unable to work because of the pregnancy, like nausea, severe nausea, you can't get out of bed, you're on like a high-risk pregnancy.
	So in those terms, I consider it a disability.
	Well, but typically, like pregnancy, most, my understanding, most women recover from their pregnancies.
	There might be temporarily, temporary.
	I mean, for example, when you have food poisoning, arguably you're disabled, right?
	You can't work.
	You're vomiting.
	You're in a temporary state of disability.
	What are you fucking making faces about?
	Speak into the microphone kindly.
	Food poisoning versus pregnancy is so different.
	You're like carrying a whole child.
	It actually maps on pretty well.
	So there's a period during pregnancies where, yeah, you're to some degree not able to operate properly, whether that's morning sickness or you're like a day await, you're having contractions and shit.
	Yeah.
	But I wouldn't categorize pregnancy, broadly speaking, like as a disability.
	I mean, women do work up until they're like literally then a pop.
	Right, but wouldn't this bolster my position?
	The state gives you disability, like if it's just a normal pregnancy, routine pregnancy, and you are working, they give you up to, I think when you're eight months pregnant, you're at eight months pregnant, you're allowed to go on to disability because it is a lot on the body to carry, like my baby, he was a big baby, you know?
	I wish I would have known that.
	When I think of a disability debilitating, can't function.
	Like, I think something that is typically long-term.
	So I guess it would be a short-term disability in some way.
	And like there's an expectation and an anticipation that it will resolve on its own once after you give birth or like some period after the birth.
	Yes.
	But like I wouldn't characterize pregnancy as a disability like in the same vein as a paraplegic.
	I would agree with that.
	Yeah.
	Because it's not the same, obviously.
	Yeah, it's different.
	But so like under this purview, I guess you could also argue that somebody who has food poisoning is disabled.
	That's a short-term.
	But in the same way that a pregnancy, I mean, look, sometimes there's like long-term complications of pregnancy or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Well, I just agree.
	Silently.
	Yeah, but you're giving me weird looks like this guy's fucking crazy.
	No, I'm just an expressive person.
	Okay.
	I just, I don't, I don't think it's like I acknowledge that there are periods during the pregnancy, especially close to birth, where women can be incapacitated either from pain or, you know, whatever it is.
	Bedridden, yeah.
	But like, I don't know if I, at least in my mind, I don't know how California governments will categorize what constitutes like technically legal disability.
	But like most women recover from their pregnancy and they're not disabled after the pregnancy.
	California's pretty generous when it comes to, especially moms and their disability.
	So I guess it's just a semantics thing, I guess.
	Yeah, okay.
	You said there were other topics that you disagreed on?
	I honestly don't even think that it was necessarily topics that you had brought up or that you had an opinion on.
	It was, I think the other panelists more say.
	Okay.
	And then, okay.
	That's pretty much it for your notes then.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you.
	Thank you, guys.
	I appreciate all of you.
	Pasty George, thank you for the champagne pop.
	Let's do a cheers.
	Did we get one for Claire?
	Did you want?
	Why?
	Hello?
	We don't have apple cider.
	Oh, we don't?
	It's Topo Chico.
	Oh, I thought we had apple cider.
	Okay, whatever.
	Cheers to the people who can.
	Salu.
	Salu.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Cheers.
	Hello, you want water?
	Sure.
	Oh, we're at the bottle.
	All right.
	Is this some Andre?
	One of the mannequins here?
	No.
	Wait.
	Oh, that's below the threshold.
	Charlie.
	What the fuck?
	Your username's ridiculous.
	You're below the threshold.
	It's 69.
	We're not doing 30.
	Barrier Wisdom donated $69.
	Holy Fook, big W's for Pasty George.
	Great show today.
	Thank you, man.
	Now I got to sleep.
	For I have class tomorrow.
	We'll be putting the fear of God to these woke professors and feminists.
	Good night.
	Enjoy the clinking glasses emoji.
	Yo, Barrio, thank you, man.
	Thank you, wisdom.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Let's see here.
	Hmm.
	We've done a lot of these.
	Do you guys think that men are bad communicators?
	Well, that's a loaded question.
	Generally, yes.
	Are women better communicators?
	Not necessarily.
	Okay, what do you think?
	I think it just depends on the person more than gender.
	But generally, do you see a trend at all in your own experiences?
	I don't know.
	I think I'm a bad communicator myself.
	How so?
	I just like bottle things up and like don't tell people what's bothering me until it's like too late.
	And it explodes.
	Yeah.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think we're equally poor communicators.
	I think men communicate in black and white and we communicate in all the colors of gray.
	So there tends to be a lack of understanding.
	I think we're equally as bad communicators.
	What about you?
	I think I'm kind of on the black and white and gray then.
	I think I'm right there.
	Okay.
	Show of hands.
	Who here has faked an orgasm?
	Come on.
	Don't be shy.
	I'm being dead ass.
	I haven't.
	I really haven't.
	Dead ass.
	I know.
	Oh no, man.
	I think it's a horrible practice.
	It's a horrible practice.
	Faking orgasm.
	I feel like that's pretty bad communication.
	Encouraging bad behavior.
	I'm a horrible communicator.
	Oh, okay.
	Let's see here.
	We have, we're going to blast through these notes.
	Oh, Olivia.
	Olivia.
	Oh, wait.
	There were some.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	You said you have multiple dating stories.
	One specific one was you got flown at by an NFL player.
	Yes.
	And I'll try to keep it as anonymous as possible.
	Okay.
	You said he went to the same college.
	You guys got each other snaps.
	He kind of went MIA on all social media platforms.
	All of a sudden, he hit you up last year.
	Yeah.
	Wanted you to come out.
	So you did.
	And it was less than a 24-hour trip.
	You ended up finding he has a baby mama and got in some shit with her.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's a great story.
	Question, though.
	So you guys, you knew each other in college?
	Briefly.
	We did not really know actually.
	Had you hooked up?
	No.
	Okay.
	But you guys went to college together.
	He slides into your Snapchat, was it?
	Okay.
	And this also kind of segues into another question I know you've had before, but yeah, go on.
	Oh, what is that question?
	So like, I know previously, like, you've asked people, like, is having having social media or no social media like a red flag or not?
	And I think, just from my experience, having no social media is a red flag.
	I'm so opposite.
	Yeah.
	At least from the male perspective, I'd probably green flag for women to not have social media.
	So, how soon?
	He flew you out.
	Like, he paid for it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Less than a 24-hour trip.
	Did you guys hook up?
	Ended up no.
	No.
	But that was.
	I mean, if a guy's flying you out, I mean, what else does he want?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So you show up and you weren't feeling it?
	I honestly felt off about it.
	Like, when I got there and I met him, I was like, being weird or a little bit, yeah.
	What if you were being weird?
	I mean, I'll be completely honest.
	I am kind of strange and awkward.
	So, like, I don't know.
	Like, I'll say usually when I do talk to guys, like, they yeah, they're just weirded out by it.
	No, no, no, no, they're not weirded out.
	Not weirded out, but, like, just, I don't know.
	Uh, what position did he play?
	Just curious.
	Um, he was also, uh, he, what position?
	I don't, I honestly don't want to get like honestly, though.
	He was not, he was not a started.
	He was not started.
	I feel like you've already provided enough information that somebody could probably figure out who the NFL player is because you said he went to your same school.
	Oh, shit.
	So it means he's probably your same age range.
	So it's like, okay.
	Wait, did she say where she went to school?
	Yeah.
	Arizona.
	Arizona.
	Well, you don't have to repeat it.
	Let's see what the fuck.
	Sorry.
	Ooh, yeah, you can narrow that down to like five players.
	Everybody in the chat is fast-forwarding.
	Uh-oh.
	You're winding.
	Chat is going to be fine.
	Chat, who is it?
	Who is the guy?
	Well, no, we don't.
	She doesn't have to ask him, but.
	Have you been flown out other times?
	No.
	Okay.
	Anybody here been flown out by a guy?
	Claire?
	Dubai?
	Dubai?
	Anybody?
	You've been flown out.
	Come on.
	been flown out um it's part yeah i've been flown out Flown out?
	Not to Dubai.
	Blued out.
	Not to Dubai.
	Blued out.
	Okay.
	Have you dated any other famous people?
	Athletes, musicians?
	Or is this the only like famous?
	Well, I don't know if you.
	No.
	Well, I would say yes, yes.
	Well, I wouldn't even say he's kind of famous, but I mean, he plays in the NFL.
	No, no, no other like, no, no, the name's kind of like that.
	No.
	Okay.
	And then you want to talk about age gaps.
	Oh, did I?
	I don't know.
	I don't even remember when I was in the middle.
	I don't remember what I was saying.
	Bro, wait, wait.
	Actually, no, I don't want to help people figure out who it is, but.
	But you do.
	No, no, no.
	I won't do it.
	I'm not going to do it, but it's like literally there's no, no.
	Okay.
	Age gap.
	Are you against, for age gaps?
	What's your age gaps?
	You're four?
	I mean, I don't necessarily think it's a like a like it has to be, but like.
	Okay.
	But like, I can see.
	Well, I understand.
	Like, if the age gap thing.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So you're fine with it.
	I'm fine with it, yeah.
	What's the oldest guy you've dated?
	Like oldest age gap?
	Yeah.
	17.
	17 years.
	So you were, what, 21?
	I was 22.
	22 and he was 39?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Age gaps for against?
	I'm not usually into it, to be honest.
	But are you, maybe you personal preference, don't like it, but do you think they're icky?
	Are they weird?
	Are men creepy, predators, blah, blah, blah.
	It really, really depends.
	Like, if an 18-year-old is getting with like a 60-year-old man, it's a little predatory.
	How about 20-30?
	20 and 30?
	Yeah.
	That's not bad.
	Okay.
	18, 28.
	18 and 28.
	That's a little weird.
	20, 35.
	20 and 35.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's just different stages of life, like, in my opinion.
	That is true.
	That's true.
	Like, you're freshly 18, you just stopped being a minor.
	You can't even legally drink.
	I think anything past 21.
	Like, if you can legally drink an age gap, so okay.
	Okay.
	Claire, what do you think?
	For me, I think it's such a red flag when like a guy is like, oh, like that doesn't matter.
	Like, because I did meet this one guy and I told him like I just graduated high school.
	And then he told me he's 28 and then he still asked me to hang out after that.
	And I told him like I don't feel comfortable with the age gap because you're like what almost 30.
	And I told you I just graduated high school.
	And then he sends me this whole paragraph saying how like he's like a trusted godfather to his friends' children and like he like all of his like lady friends like trust him and stuff like that.
	And he was like mad that I like said no.
	And so I feel like that's like that's like kind of like weird for me because I didn't even say no in a mean way.
	I just said I don't think I would feel comfortable with that.
	Yeah, well I think regardless of his age, that's weird once you've like dispensed with the rejection to be like super pushy with it like that and be like, well, you're wrong.
	And that's weird.
	Like just take the L as a guy.
	If you get rejected, take the L, move on.
	Plenty of fish in the sea, plenty of other women who would be interested.
	But I don't know if that's like him being weird like that is really related to his age.
	But in any case, it sounds like you wouldn't date an older guy.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, I feel like even like I've talked to guys who are like 20 and like that like the two year age gap, even then like they're like very hesitant about it.
	The guys are hesitant?
	Yeah.
	And like, you know, it's just, it's just like if you are 20 and you're saying like, I don't feel comfortable a two-year age gap for me, like the 10-year age gap is kind of crazy to be like pushing it.
	I mean, a 20 and an 18-year-old.
	I don't think it's that crazy, but don't.
	I see no issue there.
	But I mean, I don't know if we can use that as an example of like because these people over here, even these guys who are young, wouldn't date somebody younger.
	That we can like draw from that, infer from that, that, well, of course, well, then it's definitely doubly, triply, way weirder if it's an older guy.
	But I do have a question for you.
	So like, like in high school, if you, I know this happens often.
	Like you're 16.
	Let's say you're a woman and you're 16 and then you get in a relationship with someone that's 18 and then they go off to college and you're still in high school.
	How do you feel about that?
	I mean, me personally, since my friends are 18, if they were dating a 16 year old in high school, I would just be a little iffy because I feel like it's just such a big transition from being in high school and like living sorry with your parents, like living alone and like, you know, doing all those things.
	It's like a pretty big gap in just like terms of life stages.
	Well, I guess sticking to what's the oldest age you would date?
	Like 20.
	You wouldn't go over 20.
	Maybe 21 old age.
	Maybe 21.
	Okay.
	And it would be icky if, like, for example, if you saw a 20-year-old dating a 30-year-old, weird?
	Not as much.
	I think it's just because I'm 18.
	Me personally, I wouldn't want to date anyone that old.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Thoughts?
	Age gaps?
	Yeah, I'm pretty cool with it because I'm accustomed to it because I'm from Utah, where everyone gets married, like not everyone.
	A lot of people get married right out of high school to older people.
	All right, you're cool.
	Big fan.
	Big, big fan.
	Big.
	Big guy.
	Big fan.
	Biggest fan, maybe.
	I've only been with one person younger than myself.
	And not, it was three years.
	I was married to him.
	I just hated it.
	Yeah.
	No, I actually have always, always preferred a large age gap.
	I just feel more comfortable.
	Sure.
	Well, it sounds like you're fine with it, Lindsay.
	Age gap?
	Sure.
	Mike, Yeah.
	Okay.
	Both my husbands were younger than me.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	So that's Olivia's notes.
	We finished those.
	Let's see.
	We have Claire.
	I think we, yeah, we did yours.
	Rachel.
	Oh, no.
	You were 23.
	You were in a band.
	You married to the guitarist years later, stroking out your divorced him and married the lead singer.
	Oh, I'm that same man.
	Mic drop.
	Literally.
	Utah.
	Welcome.
	Not that.
	Why did we start with all this stuff?
	Busy talking about other shit, I guess.
	Wait, so he's.
	Wait.
	Was he paying you alimony?
	No.
	And your two kids are from your current kids.
	Okay, okay.
	Yeah.
	So, wait, you were in a band.
	Yes.
	Married to the guitarist.
	Yes.
	Famous band?
	No.
	Like in my town, the music scene is pretty sure.
	It's fun.
	But a few years later, you divorced him and you married the lead singer.
	Yeah.
	Is the band broken up?
	It is now, but we stayed together.
	Wow, you're fucking Yoko Omega.
	The band.
	You Yoko Oak.
	We stayed together for a really long time as a band.
	You were in the band?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	What did you do?
	I was also a singer.
	Sing.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no.
	I'm not a good singer.
	Was it like a screen band?
	It was like a punky.
	Yeah.
	Good for you.
	I love this for you.
	Yeah, this is a good one.
	You dated the musician when you were 20.
	Yeah.
	And he said he was going to tour with Jack Johnson, which was a lie.
	And you thought it would impress you, but you don't like Jack Johnson either.
	No, I hate Jack Johnson.
	And he was trying to take a look at it.
	I like Jack Johnson.
	It's like feel-good upbeat music.
	Banana pancakes.
	My least favorite singer I know.
	Ever.
	Can't stand it.
	I've got some Jack Johnson on my phone.
	Play it.
	I'd rather not.
	Oh.
	No, I think he thought it would impress me.
	He was like, I'm going on tour with Jack Johnson.
	It did.
	I did.
	You end up dating him a little bit.
	Disavow.
	I like his music.
	You know, it's a little, it's like, feel good.
	I don't know.
	It's feel good music.
	But I was like a punk emo kid.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, he's a little different.
	Yeah.
	More sure guy.
	I was a emo kid, too, at one point.
	He actually went to UCSB.
	I'm a screamer that they're all.
	You're a screamer.
	All right.
	Great.
	You guys are having sidebars about music.
	Great.
	You said if you ever get divorced again, you would stay single AF as fuck.
	Yeah, for sure.
	You said dating is crazy.
	You're scared you'd get serial murdered.
	Wow.
	Oh, wow.
	That's like a me thing because I'm scared of everything.
	I watch lots of true crime.
	You said everyone is banging everyone and everyone has an STD.
	No shame.
	You just don't want one.
	Yeah.
	Who here has had an STD?
	Not me.
	Olivia?
	Oh, you're pointing out.
	Olivia?
	Have you had an STD?
	No.
	No.
	Ophelia did.
	Ophelia did.
	That is so true.
	Ophelia.
	Everyone.
	Yeah.
	A hundred men.
	Yeah, 100 men.
	I still can't believe that happened.
	I still clip that shit and ship it, boys.
	That's crazy.
	She literally wanted to unlive you without saying it in that exact form.
	Everybody watching, if you didn't watch in the beginning, everyone needs to rewind once we are done and see the Brian's a victim.
	I'm literally.
	We're all victims.
	We all be on YouTube shorts, but I don't think I ever.
	We should have disinfected that chair.
	I know.
	I was thinking about that.
	You need to get checked after this.
	Hang on, Joe.
	Is that what that itch is?
	I almost lost it.
	It's the fast acting.
	I couldn't keep it together because it was just so she's going to start swinging.
	She was being so sweet.
	Oh, she liked the animals.
	She really liked it.
	She wasn't like the gals.
	But no, but she was being really sweet.
	And she said the picture.
	I was like, sure.
	And then I said my thing and she said hers.
	And I was like, say what?
	Insane.
	Yeah.
	You said generally overall you like.
	Oh, we talked about the bow already.
	Yeah.
	We already talked about that.
	I think we mostly covered that.
	I think I didn't finish my final point on that, though.
	It's just ultimately, look, when it comes to the bow, I think women expect certain things from men.
	I think the bow is pretty benign, takes no effort.
	What if I'm like, I will do anything else?
	I do not want to bow.
	I mean, I would call into question.
	So, like, my ideal dynamic, and I acknowledge that people want different dynamics in their relationship, would be, and by the way, it's not even like a sexual thing, by the way.
	No, I understand.
	My ideal dynamic would be one where my girlfriend, whatever, she is just, she is deferring to me on various things.
	And I think if she's unwilling to do this one small thing, I have to think, what other sort of feminist programming does she have in her mind where she won't do that?
	So I'm maybe I'm wrong.
	I could be wrong.
	But you know what?
	A lot of men, like, for example, right?
	Women do this all the time.
	Oh, if the guy doesn't pay for the first date, then that means he's not going to be a good provider.
	Well, like, logically, that it could be the case, but logically, for example, could it be possible that a man who's a billionaire would want to go 50-50 on the first date?
	Like, it's maybe it's unlikely.
	It's going to be unplausible.
	But logically, right, he could.
	Like, there's nothing stopping a billionaire from being like, you know what?
	Let's go 50-50 on this date, right?
	Yeah.
	But so some women would be like, well, you know what?
	He wants to go 50-50.
	Deal breaker.
	Yeah, if I know you're a billionaire and he made me split it and you're like, I'm probably going for the second date.
	Yeah.
	You're going for the second date.
	Well, yeah, if I know you're a billionaire and you're like, hey, let's go 50-50, I'm just going to be like, okay, I mean, long game.
	This is a test.
	Right, but long game.
	Yeah.
	But so women have this like sort of threshold of, well, he won't pay for the date.
	They're saying in their head, it's not so much about the 10, 20, 30, 40 dollars that I would have to spend on the date.
	It's about what does it mean for the future?
	In this case, if a woman's unwilling to do this thing that I think is complete, it's effortless, right?
	You know, if it's something that would make me happy, I have to call into question what else is she going to fight me on?
	I know it's stupid, I know it's silly, I know it's culturally like kind of odd and peculiar or whatever.
	But if she fights me on this, I just I'm going to assume, and maybe I'm assuming wrongly, that she's going to fight me on other things.
	So it's a temperature check, really, for how submissive she is.
	What does it mean to you to be bowed to?
	Like, does it mean love?
	Does it mean respect?
	Like, I feel like if you were to define it to your spouse, as this represents this to me, doesn't mean, you know, but I feel like your definition is very harsh as opposed to what his is.
	But the thing with that is, I don't want to have to even negotiate with her on it.
	Like, I want her to be like, yes, sir.
	Yes, Brian.
	Okay.
	Like, there's because in the same way, like, you don't want to help her understand your point of view if for some reason there's a discussion.
	I want to just get it.
	Okay.
	I want her to just get it in the same way that women don't want to like have a like.
	Imagine, I don't know if we brought this up on the show.
	If the guy wanted to have a conversation with you about paying for the first date, he's like, hey, can we talk about this?
	Like, let's negotiate this.
	Like, tell me why you want me to pay for the first date.
	I feel like a lot of women, they wouldn't even entertain that.
	They would be like, eh, never mind about the date.
	That's a great point.
	They wouldn't want to, and maybe he's open to hearing your perspective and maybe he's open to hearing his mind changed.
	But the moment he questions having to adhere to his role, or sorry, the moment, sorry, the woman hears this questioning of him having to adhere to his role, I think a lot of women immediate ick.
	Oh, you want to negotiate that you have to pay for the date?
	Nope, never mind.
	Not interested in the date anymore.
	Wait, where does the bowing thing come from, though?
	I'm kind of confused.
	Like, is it like borrowed from like Asian culture?
	Because, like, no, no, I mean, you know, look, the bow hasn't just coalesced out of the ether.
	Bowing has actually been used in Western cultures.
	For example, to kings, for example.
	People do bow.
	Hey, look, y'all women want to be treated like queens.
	Shit.
	Y'all, princess treatment.
	Queen tree.
	He's ah, tree.
	I'm a queen.
	I'm a king.
	I will.
	And by the way, massage, rub his feet.
	Yep, that's a good one.
	Massage his head.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Don't get the bow.
	You know what's actually interesting, though, is I say this, but like the reality is, I'm not going to be bent out of shape if she honestly like rarely bows.
	I'm not going to be like, what the fuck?
	You missed your bow today.
	Get with the program.
	It's the willingness to do it up front.
	And if she does it, I don't know a couple times, honestly, could fucking care less if she actually does it.
	Could care fucking less, but it's just the temperature check in the same way that women have this temperature check when it comes to paying for the first date.
	And it's like, if the guy wants to, well, explain to me why I should pay for the first date.
	Oh my God, bro.
	The girl, it's over.
	She's going to, it's done with that guy.
	So I'm like, women do this, men do this.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Also, like, I guess my confusion is, I think it's wholesome.
	Like, for example, I don't know, maybe this is better.
	Like, would you cook for a man?
	Yeah.
	Would you clean after him?
	Would you do his laundry?
	Maybe sometimes.
	I think it's just like different.
	Like, I mean, if we can ask Gram, would you bow to him?
	Hell no.
	I wouldn't.
	You wouldn't do it.
	Would you bow?
	Oh, well, you said no.
	That's fine.
	Would you bow for a man?
	Yeah.
	You were not.
	You're thinking about it.
	You might not depends.
	On what?
	I don't care.
	You like the guy.
	Like you said, if it's just like a courtesy thing, it's not to be like.
	Well, I'm asking him because he's the only one.
	You're the only guy I've ever heard be like, oh, my girl needs to bow to me when I come back.
	Same, for real.
	So I don't think it's like an issue with other guys where it's like, oh, like.
	Lindsay?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	How about this?
	For the perfect man, not just a guy you're attracted to, not just a good man.
	The perfect man, would you bow?
	No.
	The perfect man wouldn't make me bow to him if I didn't want to.
	But hold on, but hold on.
	So this would be: you have a magic lamp, a genie, and the genie says he'll grant you, you get only, well, the one, you don't get to choose your wish.
	He's willing to do a trade.
	The genie says, I'll give you the perfect man.
	But in order to, for me to give you this wish, you have to bow once per day or every time you see him.
	Well, is it like a white guy like you, or is it like an insa, like where it's like a cultural bow?
	Because like in Korean culture, like you do this.
	Wait, did you say insell?
	No, insa.
	It's like insa.
	Inso is like the word in Korean for like a like a respectful bow.
	Oh, I don't know what you're saying.
	Is it like a culture thing or is it just like a weird like?
	It's just a weird white guy thing.
	But it's the genie that wants it.
	I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	So it's so easy.
	It's so easy.
	For the perfect man.
	Perfect guy.
	Just, I know you're young, but I mean, maybe you've already had some experience, right?
	Have you found the perfect guy yet?
	No.
	I'm going to tell you this.
	I'm not doubting that you'll find a good guy, but most of us are never going to find or get.
	We might find our person.
	That person won't be perfect, right?
	For the perfect man, think about how rare that might be.
	And also think about, well, the perfect man in my mind, would he want me also, right?
	So the perfect man, that means everything you want when it comes to looks, when personality, perfectly loyal, every single characteristic that you could maximize, perfect.
	That man, first off, that man doesn't exist.
	It's a fantasy.
	We will all meet.
	Well, actually, I shouldn't even.
	We'll find our person, but that person won't be perfect, right?
	So for the perfect man, will you do that trade?
	Do I have to do it every day?
	Yes, every day.
	Every day.
	Oh, my God.
	Three seconds every day.
	Does that really take anything away from you?
	I just don't get it.
	Perfect man.
	Would you do it?
	I don't know.
	Maybe, maybe.
	Perfect man.
	Can I be, I'm going to be really cheesy.
	I think I am already with the perfect man.
	Daniel.
	Not around me.
	Okay.
	But I'm sure he does.
	He does around our daughter.
	Perfect man.
	Just no gastrointestinal issues.
	Okay.
	Perfect man.
	Would you hit a bow?
	Yes.
	Perfect man?
	Yes.
	Perfect man.
	I'd bark like a dog if I was really in love and it made him happy.
	I would.
	Like genuinely.
	It's not that hard.
	You're into this and I care about you, done.
	But that's like, I'm kind of giving this like the bow thing.
	Even if you know, I was thinking, like, even if the guy, like, his intentions behind it are like kind of weird.
	I mean, like, I almost feel like so.
	Do it anyways.
	He's not acting for, he's not asking for like anal.
	I mean, he's asking for, he's asking for this.
	I mean, it's really nothing.
	I'll get out of him right now.
	Hey, good point.
	Good point.
	But I mean, the interesting thing with the bow also is I almost feel like it's kind of wholesome.
	Like, maybe a more relatable one is the first time a girl comes over to my house, I would like for her to do my laundry.
	Are you joking?
	The first time.
	First time she's at my house.
	Not in your relationship or joking.
	I'm dead serious.
	Would you go through her phone before she leave?
	You really test submissiveness.
	What?
	I would.
	I would go.
	But think about it, right?
	Like, okay.
	I know the feminist programming's like, whoa.
	I'm not feminist at all, but I see this game.
	I see this.
	Hold on.
	Well, hold on.
	I actually, I mean, at least with the laundry, you could argue that I'm actually tangibly getting something.
	Like with the bow, you're like, wait, what?
	What does the bow do?
	But folding my laundry, like have you even bought her dinner yet?
	It's first time at his house.
	Okay, so you've already gone a couple dates and you're like, hey, do you mind throwing my laundry in for me?
	Although sometimes when it comes to dating, people are just like going over to each other's house right away.
	You know, you guys know what I'm talking about.
	I genuinely did laundry to house.
	But like, what's worse?
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, let's the hookup culture.
	People will, they won't even go on a date first.
	They might just come over or hook up pretty quickly.
	Like, I feel like I'm kind of wholesome over here.
	Whereas like other people, it's like, okay, this guy's just going to like do all kinds of, you know, you guys are going to fuck and he's going to blast in your face or whatever.
	Yeah, what's more offensive?
	Sex on the first date or laundry on the first date, right?
	I think I'm whole.
	I think I'm white.
	I'll just watch his load, but you'll take his load.
	Like, I almost would rather the girl like do my laundry.
	I would prefer that.
	Like, I would be like, that's kind of dope.
	Have you found a girl that's willing to do your laundry and bow to you?
	What?
	Yes.
	The thing is, if a guy, if a girl really likes you on the first date.
	She'll.
	Yes.
	Now, maybe the feminine's programming, you know, but if she sees a future, yeah, bro.
	I'm telling you, if the girl, if you're really into the guy, look, I know some of you, whatever.
	I'm telling you, if your girl really fucks with you, she really likes you, she'll do a lot more than fold your laundry.
	She'll do a lot of things.
	Why don't you want to fold his laundry?
	I'll do the laundry.
	First time.
	I'll know.
	First thing.
	Oh, first time at his house.
	Well, have you ever, the first day you met a guy, have you ever let him deposit his semen into the back of your throat?
	No, no, I don't do head in the first month.
	Oh, okay.
	Classy, virtuous woman ever.
	Okay.
	Has a man ever.
	Okay, have you ever let a man insert his phallus balls deep?
	Have you ever had a hookup?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's like a hundred.
	We need that for details.
	That's like a hookup.
	That's like a dude.
	But I'm over here.
	It's wrong for me to want a woman to cook, to clean, to do all these things.
	I didn't say that.
	You will chug, chug on.
	Wow, these words.
	This is alcohol, Brian, huh?
	Wait, that's good.
	That's good, Philip.
	You won't do his load, but you'll take his load.
	That's so fucking good.
	That's another shirt.
	That's so funny.
	That's another shirt.
	A girl will take his load, but she won't do it.
	That is a shirt.
	That is a shirt.
	That's a shirt.
	That's good.
	Did you make sure?
	Come up with that.
	I said that like that's a good one.
	You won't try to blow, but you'll take it as a woman.
	When you care about a guy, you really want to show him that he has a future with you.
	I feel like it's natural for one, you want to prove that you're a good caretaker.
	Yeah, I think that naturally comes out.
	Why don't you want to take care of him?
	Like, I just don't get it.
	Like, no, not the first date.
	The first time you're at his house, or like dating someone.
	So, if you were dating someone, like, would you do their laundry?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Not the first time.
	But what if he's like, I just really need help?
	Well, then, okay, yeah.
	I guess I would if they like weren't it like I'm so busy working providing for you.
	I need help.
	I think that's the word I know because if it's like this is a requirement for delivery, but yeah, like he means I will say something.
	So maybe this is also kind of because my view is kind of skewed, but like I enjoy doing laundry and like W.
	Well, it's also like, I know guys, they just kind of like ball things up and throw it.
	Like I have OCD, so like for me to like see that, like just bought a clothes to me, like that's stressful.
	Like so like I don't mind having a guy's house, like you gotta fold your laundry kind of stress me out.
	I don't know.
	I'm just trying to be wholesome Brian over here.
	It's like, you know, you just were talking about loads and backs of throats.
	Wholesome my ass.
	So wholesome.
	Look, I just, I don't know.
	What's your body health?
	What does that have to do with that?
	I'm not revealing that.
	Well, you never all of ours.
	I'm a virgin.
	I'm a virgin.
	Are you joking?
	What do you think?
	He's married.
	Oh, you're married?
	Oh, my God.
	I'm not married.
	I'm trying to help you out here.
	Will you accept one bow one time?
	It's got to be 100 because you're not telling us.
	One bow one time.
	Would I accept it?
	No.
	If I say I'll do it one time, I'll do that.
	To your boyfriend?
	Sorry, husband.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	She went from absolutely.
	Absolutely not.
	This is a huge win.
	Yeah, W for me, I guess.
	W.
	I do it as a joke.
	Grats me, boy.
	Grats me.
	Grats me.
	I don't know.
	Look, I think that I know it's kind of like out there.
	It's a little eccentric, whatever.
	It's a weird cultural ask, especially from a pale white guy.
	But it's a temperature check, temperature check.
	And I mean, I don't know.
	I think.
	Oh, here's a good one.
	Also, I do think women should also sometimes, you know, I'm nice though.
	Like, I have a really good laundry machine.
	You know, I've contemplated buying like what are those things called?
	The clothes washboard.
	Like a hundred years ago, I want the woman to come washboard.
	You know, the washboard where they were like dragging.
	I've done that.
	Yeah.
	Oh, who question?
	This is a good one.
	Who here is like wants to pursue a career?
	Like, you want to be a lawyer, I think you said.
	Career.
	Yeah.
	Career.
	Career.
	What's that?
	I have a career.
	You have a career.
	For the perfect man, instead of the bow, for the perfect man, I think this is more realistic.
	Perfect man, and he's wealthy enough to fully cover.
	But in order to be with him, he says, I want you to stop working and I want you to take care of the household and take care of the kids.
	For the perfect man, do you give up your career?
	No, that's like giving up on myself because I have like stripping.
	No, music and audio engineering.
	I like.
	Yes, for the perfect man, do you give up your career?
	No.
	What if you can do it as a hobby, but you can never like do it career-wise?
	No, that's giving up on myself.
	And that's not fair.
	Perfect man, though?
	No.
	Never have to work another day in your life.
	Won't give up your career?
	Not me.
	I mean, obviously, I'd give up stripping any day, but like music, no.
	But you can have it as a hobby.
	But that's not like.
	I would love that.
	That's not my dreams, you know.
	What about you?
	Perfect man.
	Do you give up your career?
	It depends how far into my career I am.
	If I'm like, if I'm like just beginning and I finally like, you know, get like get past law school, pass the bar exam, and he's like, now you have to just quit it all right now.
	And then you can be with me.
	I wouldn't want to do that.
	Because like I already worked really hard and like I would want, you know, I wouldn't want to give up on myself either.
	That makes sense.
	Law school stuff.
	Yeah.
	So you're, but if you were, I don't know, like three years into your career?
	No, I would, I would want to get further in my career just like just for just because I just would want that for myself.
	Like I would, I wouldn't want to quit right away.
	What kind of law did you say you wanted to practice?
	I don't know yet.
	I feel like lawyers are like super stressed out.
	I know, I know.
	And like eventually, yeah, if I was like, if I was like well into my, oh, sorry, to my career and I was like done, then yeah, I would want somebody to do that for me.
	But if it's like I'm just like, when you're done with your career, so like at 60, then you can give up your career.
	But like the idea.
	Maybe like a couple years into it, because then I could say I did it, you know, and then do something.
	How about no?
	You don't get, you don't get to pick and choose.
	Oh.
	It's at the most inconvenient time for you to end your career.
	The most inconvenient.
	So I don't know when that is, but perfect man.
	No.
	And he, perfect man, loyal, best looking, everything.
	Why is he like, why does he like want me to stop working?
	Because he wants, do you want kids?
	Maybe.
	Because he wants, he wants, he wants kids.
	And I mean, this could even apply, even if you don't want kids, this can even apply to he doesn't want kids, you don't want kids.
	He's like, you know what?
	Don't work.
	I just want you to be around all the time.
	Go everywhere with me.
	Yes.
	Usually the main reason that wealthy men want you not to work is so you're available whenever they want you.
	Yep.
	Perfect.
	Like what does she do while he's working?
	Go shopping, work out, go without with your girlfriends.
	I mean, enjoy life.
	Let's say he's just, he doesn't work.
	He's just rich.
	Yeah.
	Retired.
	So that could be, I mean, I think perhaps that would be a great argument for what a perfect man is.
	He's so wealthy, he doesn't have to work.
	He's not stressed with his work.
	He can give you time.
	He's there.
	If you have kids, he's co-parenting with you.
	But he wants you there also to take care of the kids, take care of him, take care of the household.
	But you can't work.
	I would want to work.
	Even if you were married or dating or married to a billionaire, would you still want to work?
	I mean, I don't know.
	It just depends.
	Like, why?
	When you're 18, though, your mindset's a little bit different.
	It's easy to say that now.
	Why?
	Because she, I mean, she's been a barista.
	You've worked, right?
	But she doesn't have a kid yet.
	She hasn't been in a long-term relationship.
	She's not been with a man.
	Have it super wealthy that's giving you the option.
	Or I like that.
	Please DM me if you're a billionaire.
	If you want me to just stay at home and it's the feminist programming, this idea that career should be exalted above all else when I don't know.
	The only fear, though, is if it ends and you're fucked.
	But in this hypothetical scenario, if we're talking about a perfect man, the entailment there is never cheats, never abuses, loyal, stays with you forever.
	Yeah, but realistically, sure, I know it's the hypothetical.
	Realistically, a billionaire is not going to want to marry any of us.
	So would you do that for a woman?
	Do what?
	Like, would you give this podcast up for the perfect woman?
	Absolutely.
	Part B. Part B.
	And I'm a man.
	I'm a man.
	That doesn't coincide typically with the traditional male gender role.
	Instantly.
	Was this your dream?
	Or what was your dream as a kid?
	Yeah, that's a good question.
	Yeah.
	As a kid.
	Well, hold on.
	This is unfair because the reality of life, 99% of people are not going to have their dream job.
	They're not going to have some super illustrious career.
	Most people are going to slave away for some corporation.
	Most people are going to work some like kind of shitty job.
	And they're going to do that because they realize they have bills to pay.
	They have responsibilities to themselves, to their children, to their family.
	It's really rare to get to do exactly what you want.
	And even if you do get to do what you want, there's still stress and complications attached to almost any kind of work you do.
	Of course.
	But what was your dream?
	Like, did you think you were going to get into entertainment?
	Well, I was like, I don't know.
	Two and a half hours of no job.
	Seven, seven, I was like saying, I don't know, I'm going to be a magician or some shit.
	You're kind of a magician now.
	How?
	You're.
	But you're a podcast creator.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So what's your question?
	For the perfect woman.
	But okay, so when somebody tells me perfect woman, I think, okay, looks-wise, exactly what I'd want.
	Personality, exactly what I want.
	And if we're bringing in a financial component here, like billionaire.
	So in my mind, and I just have to give up my dream.
	Let's say I have to give up my dream job.
	Say this isn't my dream job.
	And truthfully, like my dream job would maybe be like super famous, like best ever musician, best ever athlete.
	Can you sing?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Actually, I think I got pipes a little bit, but yeah.
	But, and like, I could still, I don't know, pursue those things as hobbies or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I give up the career 100%.
	Even the dream job.
	Even if I'm a professional athlete, even if I'm professional musician, top-tier musician, for the perfect woman, give that shit up.
	Because I think who you marry, who you spend the rest of your life with, is probably one of the most important decisions you'll ever make.
	You marry the wrong person, could perma fuck you for your entire life, could be a massive mistake.
	And I, again, my position is perfect doesn't exist.
	We're never going to get.
	I know some of you want to do the virtue signal.
	Oh my God, my person's perfect.
	You guys fucking argue and da-da-da.
	And there's conflict and they're not as tall or they start balding or they gain weight or whatever it is.
	The perfect person doesn't exist.
	In my case, perfect person, perfect looks, perfect personality, and she's a billionaire.
	Yeah, give me the trade.
	Absolutely.
	Give it up in an instant.
	I get what you mean, though.
	Pasty, we have this coming through.
	I apologize for the delay.
	Thank you, man.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	It's funny how many modern women freak out over the boat question when a lot of them expect men to remember their anniversary or similar and to do something.
	I'm going to make sure nice for it every year.
	Oh, Valentine's, all the other gestures.
	Me and my husband have forgot our anniversary multiple times.
	Both of them are not.
	Oh, I don't like that.
	Did we finish on the like career?
	Did you give up your career for the perfect man?
	I think everyone's in.
	Did we go around the table on that?
	Yeah.
	Fast answers.
	I don't think I could because I already have my dream job and I can still stay home with my kids while having my dream job.
	What's your job?
	I own a yoga studio.
	Well, when you're teaching a Pilates class, is it at your house?
	I don't teach yoga.
	I don't teach Pilates.
	Or sorry.
	Well, okay, whatever.
	Yoga.
	You're not with your kids, I assume, when you're teaching a class.
	In the morning, I teach before they're awake, and then I come home and take my daughter to school, and then I teach on Sunday.
	So it's a hard time.
	And then I own it, and I do it from home.
	Let's do it like this.
	Your husband becomes a billionaire overnight, but in order for you to stay with him, he says, I want you to stop teaching yoga classes.
	But it's not.
	I don't care.
	But it's not just, I'm teaching yoga.
	I live like this whole yoga lifestyle.
	And the number of people who have come to me and said, my studio changed their life, or they have all these things.
	So now I can't help people with this practice either.
	I guess, yeah.
	How about this?
	I don't know if it's great to use the husband as an example.
	If you were to become single again and this next perfect guy comes along, would you give that up for the perfect man?
	Yes or no?
	Just probably no.
	What about you?
	Into the mic.
	Yes.
	If I can still do it as like a hobby.
	Yeah.
	What's your career?
	So I kind of want to go and get my masters back in like exercise and physiology.
	So it'd be like.
	So you're like a personal trainer or?
	I coach, yeah.
	Okay, so no, you can't do it.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Perfect man.
	Do you take the trade?
	I guess, yeah, I would.
	Do you take the trade, Lindsay?
	I'm so confused by this because even as a man where like there is a traditional gender role expectation that men like work have careers, et cetera, et cetera, even in my position, I'm instantly taking like the billionaire, perfect man.
	Hello?
	Also, what I don't understand is, question for you.
	You're going to become a lawyer one day.
	Let's, I don't know, do you think you'll make like $200,000 at some point in your career?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Hopefully.
	Question for you, though.
	Somebody comes to you and they say, you know, maybe you make $100,000, $200,000, $300,000 as an attorney throughout the course of your career.
	Somebody comes to you and says, and this job offer will never go away.
	I will pay you $1 million to be a barista.
	I know that sounds silly.
	Why would anybody pay?
	But for some reason in this hypothetical, they're going to pay you a million dollars to be a barista.
	You know that this is more than you will ever earn as being a lawyer.
	You might say, well, I'm going to be mergers and acquisition lawyer.
	I'm going to make that much.
	Okay, we can bump it to they pay you 10 million to be a barista.
	Maybe some like 0.001% of lawyers might make that much or something if they're partners and own their own law firm.
	Do you trade?
	So you have to, but you, you can't, you know, you can't be a lawyer.
	You got to be a barista, $10 million a year, or do you be a lawyer and get paid $100,000, $200,000, $300,000 a year?
	I would be a barista.
	I think it's fine.
	Okay.
	That's interesting, though.
	Well, if I'm already a lawyer, it's like...
	You give up, like, today.
	Right here on this podcast.
	You have to give up your education.
	You have to give up.
	I mean, you can still go to frat parties or whatever.
	You have to give up your education.
	Can't go and work.
	Well, I guess you couldn't become a lawyer unless you got the education.
	Give up your education.
	Today, you start working as a barista.
	You make $10 million a year.
	Because it's not like I've already invested so much into my school.
	I've invested probably three weeks so far.
	Well, okay.
	Oh, and you're graduating.
	After you graduate, then $10 million.
	Have I gone through law school?
	Have I paid for law school and for everything and like study for the LSAT and password?
	Sure.
	But one-time offer.
	It's this hypothetical just to make me say, like, I don't want to work as a lawyer anymore.
	No, I'm just trying to see if you do the trade-off of stopping your career to make $10 million a year as a barista.
	You know what?
	I guess so.
	So there's a price.
	Well, my confusion here, though, is the entailment of being with the perfect man who happens to be a billionaire, that's more than $10 million per year.
	So I'm confused by won't give up career.
	Well, because it's my money, too.
	Like it's like I wouldn't be like financially.
	So the perfect guy, though, loyal, will never abuse you, treats you perfectly, never leaves you.
	If he's a billionaire, that money, you go to your husband.
	If he's the perfect guy, you go to your husband, hey, babe, I need a hundred mil.
	Sure, babe.
	Here you go.
	Spend that shit on whatever you want.
	How does his money?
	How does he get his money?
	I don't know.
	I'm just asking.
	It's hypothetical.
	I don't know.
	He crypto.
	Cartel.
	Money isn't always happiness, though.
	But that's my confusion with this unwillingness.
	Like, if we frame it differently, like, you'll give up on your career and you still have to work as a barista.
	And let's say the rule is you can't just be like, oh, well, I made 10 million.
	I'm good to live off 10.
	You have to be a barista for the rest of your life.
	But you get 10 million a year.
	You've been offered the perfect spouse that's also a billionaire.
	So I'm the billionaire barista with the billionaire husband.
	It's one or the other.
	Well, it's a different scenario.
	I don't know.
	I'm getting confused with these scenarios.
	Well, you said you would not give up your career for the perfect man.
	And that means you never have to work.
	And he would just, his money is your money, basically.
	I mean, you shouldn't bankrupt the guy, although it's really hard to bankrupt like a billionaire or whatever.
	but you would give it up and work until you're 60 as a barista i think i'm just too stubborn because i want it to know that it's like my own merit and money not just like but i mean this is like a magic genie Baristas don't make 10 million.
	I think I'm just too stubborn and I appreciate my independence.
	All right.
	You should ask her again in 20 years.
	We'll check in.
	We'll check in.
	You know, the thing is, though, when it comes to career, I don't think, even for men, but especially for women, that career is going to be the ultimate fulfillment in life.
	I don't think so either.
	Lawyers, the alcoholism rate in lawyers is very high.
	Burnout, super high.
	A lot of lawyers end up not doing super glamorous stuff.
	Overworked, super stressed, just like really mustardy.
	What's that scene from Wolf of Wall Street?
	Just like, just like paperwork.
	Paperwork.
	Just looking at reviewing fucking documents and discovery and just like mustardy.
	I remember that from Wolf of Wall Street.
	And I've seen that movie a hundred.
	Matthew McConaughey, he's like.
	I think it's called masturbation.
	Matthew McConney?
	Matthew McConney is talking about.
	Numbers, numbers, numbers.
	It's, you know, really up in the brain, mustardy shit.
	You need to come.
	I'm butchering it, but you need to masturbate.
	Yeah, that's what he said.
	You need to pump those numbers up seven times a day.
	Yep.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	When I was a little boy, my dream was to become a policeman.
	But that dream was destroyed when two cops gave me a starlight tour during winter.
	Damn.
	Luckily for me, there was no wind that night.
	I don't understand.
	So my understanding is it's this Canadian law enforcement phenomenon where, and they target, I guess they target like indigenous, Native Americans, tribal people, and they'll like during the winter, they'll give them a ride to like the fucking butt-fuck forest and dump them.
	Oh.
	What the fuck?
	Did that actually, did that happen to you, Pasty?
	That's fucked up, dude.
	So, Pacey's not Pacey.
	Ha.
	That was good.
	I like it.
	Nice.
	That was good.
	He's, uh.
	Hold on.
	Oh.
	Oh, do you want to?
	Pasty got a bow.
	Should I get you linked up with Pasty?
	You're good?
	What?
	You don't like Pasty?
	I don't know Pasty.
	He's a guy like a million casinos.
	Don't care.
	You don't like, why don't you like Pasty?
	Don't put words in my mouth, sorry.
	I don't know Pasty.
	That's all I said.
	Matchmaker.
	Are you?
	Yeah, what's your type?
	What's my type?
	Do you like sexy Canadians?
	I've never met a sexy Canadian.
	You've never met a Canadian.
	Actually, you know what?
	I take that back.
	My first kiss was from Wausau, British Columbia.
	Oh, shit.
	Hey, Pasty, what's up?
	Tell me if you want me to link it up.
	You're a Canadian.
	I'm a major.
	What's up?
	I was born in Toronto.
	Oh, shit, really?
	Yeah.
	Toronto's cool.
	Nice.
	They have a huge gay pride parade, unfortunately.
	Finishing up with your notes, we're going to get this wrapped up soon, guys.
	I know it's getting a little late.
	I have to go.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	We're wrapped up.
	I got a three-hour drive.
	I got you.
	I got you.
	Okay.
	So I'll try to move through these super quick.
	Trust me, guys.
	I got you.
	You don't love the way.
	And I don't do this every show, but tonight I was a little feisty tonight.
	I'm going to admit.
	You don't love the way he yells at the girls to shut the fuck up.
	Could be a little more respectful.
	Now, look, I've been a little snappy tonight.
	Maybe it was because someone wished death upon me.
	I don't know.
	But I didn't think you were that sick.
	No, no.
	Yeah, I actually think you were really good at sleep for three days before I came here.
	I literally thought that you were going to be very gnarly.
	I thought you were really gnastly.
	I was horrified.
	There was one moment when I was a little snappy with her, and you were like, that wasn't my.
	That's not why I was doing it.
	I thought there was a lack of comprehension.
	No, I just lack of comprehension.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I mean, look, sometimes I can be a little snappy and I'm afraid of you.
	Who's the other guy that calls in?
	Yeah, he's brutal.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's an unforgiving human being.
	He's brilliant, but my goodness.
	He's.
	I don't think he's that.
	He matches energy.
	I won't, I won't.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Yeah, the girls, yeah, yeah.
	Look, look, nobody's perfect.
	Sometimes we say things we regret or whatever.
	I will say in defense of Andrew, nobody's perfect, but many, many times he's matching energy.
	I don't know if that's true.
	His wife is scary, though.
	I don't want to know who's white.
	By the way, Rachel?
	Who's his wife?
	I shouldn't say worse than Andrew, but she's brutal.
	But she's nice.
	It's just you don't want to.
	By the way, I love Rachel.
	I didn't mean that.
	I didn't mean that.
	She's married to Andrew.
	She's been well-trained, right?
	She's spicy lady.
	Once you lose her.
	I'll say at least for me, there's definitely times where I'm just, I've not matched energy.
	Like I was just a dick, right?
	And I can acknowledge that.
	Exactly.
	I would say majority of the time, majority of the time, acknowledging that sometimes, eh, I was kind of like a little rude when I shouldn't have been.
	A lot of times I'm going to match somebody's energy.
	Like if they're being reasonable, I'll try to be reasonable.
	But also sometimes I get frustrated.
	But I think the time I said STFU was, and I've said it maybe a handful of times.
	They were not shutting the fuck up.
	I feel like it was warranted.
	They didn't shut the fuck up.
	They were interrupting.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yeah, for sure.
	A little, you know.
	He's going to ask you to bow.
	He's going to ask you to bow.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Have you ever told someone to shut the fuck up?
	Ever.
	Like maybe me and my brother joking at each other, but not like a serious one.
	Not serious.
	Have you ever told someone to shut up?
	Like, seriously?
	Not that I can remember.
	Okay.
	Maybe like when I was 15.
	I don't know.
	Have you ever raised your voice?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, for sure.
	And sometimes people have moments of frustration.
	Yeah.
	And maybe they say something in a way they didn't like it or said a specific thing that in my case, I've done nearly 300 episodes, thousands of hours of conversation.
	Look, I'm not a choir boy.
	Like I sometimes I get frustrated.
	Sometimes my words can be a bit harsh.
	I'm not, I definitely am not claiming that I'm perfect, but I think maybe three times, maybe four, I've told someone to shut the fuck up.
	I think there was one time I felt uncomfortable through my phone watching it happen because the girls got very uncomfortable.
	I was like, this is really.
	You know, look, you're having conversations.
	Yeah, here you are.
	This is a pressure cooker environment, though.
	It's hot.
	It's not, so it's funny.
	I don't know how to find it.
	Generally speaking, of course, most men will sacrifice happiness for their family, while women consistently sacrifice family for their pursuit of happiness.
	Interesting.
	Look, I'm just saying, I don't think, even for men, that the ultimate fulfillment in life will come from a career.
	I think it's going to be family.
	I think it's going to be kids.
	I think it's going to be having a bunch of grandkids all running around.
	I think that's much more fulfillment than just being some nameless cog in the machine for some corporation.
	Most people won't have their dream job.
	They're going to be some fucking HR department person policing some bullshit.
	They're going to be project managers doing fuck all.
	They're going to be pushing paperwork for the partners of a law firm.
	And look, you might be, you seem smart.
	You might be super successful.
	And who knows what life has in store.
	But even if you do have like that super high-octane, Amazing lawyer career, and you're fucking doing some trial shit, and you're like, hmm, lawyer fucked you up in the in the lawsuit.
	I deposed your ass, bitch.
	Like, you're just, you know, you're fucking do people dab still?
	I don't know.
	That shit's old.
	I don't know.
	You're just, you're just fucking.
	I don't know.
	You're just killing it as a lawyer, you know?
	You're just lawsuit, win.
	Okay.
	Dunkin', dunking on these scrubs, yo.
	Dunking on these scrubs.
	Win after win.
	I don't know.
	When you imitate anyone, you always go into this bitch mode.
	Like that's right.
	I don't know.
	I'm just saying you can't bring your money with you when you die.
	All the success in the world, everything.
	I don't know if it means anything.
	Like, I don't know.
	I don't think work is the ultimate fulfillment.
	Okay, we have chats come through.
	We're going to finish up with Pasty George.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	Shit, dude.
	Jesus.
	That happened to me when I was 11 years old.
	I was picked up in the evening while heading home from a friend's house.
	The cops laughed as they dumped me miles from home on a dirt road in the woods.
	That's awful.
	Where in Canada is Pasty?
	How far north is he?
	Is he like up there?
	I'm not sure.
	I'm just curious.
	Like, is it like in the super Indigenous area?
	I'm not sure.
	Okay.
	You said you disagree with basically everything Andrew Wilson says.
	He's not here.
	You think he's you call him a hypocrite.
	You know what?
	I'll save your disagreements for Andrew if we ever have you back.
	We might have him soon.
	But you have issues with him doing shots, smoking, and cursing.
	Only because Smoky Man bad?
	Only because he's so Christian and so religious.
	And then it just seems like a contradiction to itself.
	Sure.
	Well, I mean, I'm not within the way I grew up why religion was not like that.
	Like, yeah, I mean, I'm not the best person to ask this, but my understanding is I don't think that there's a contravention of like, I don't think like smoking is like maybe you shouldn't do it right, but I don't know if it like puts you at odds with Christianity, but I'm not the per I don't know.
	As far as drinking goes, perhaps you shouldn't like do like get super shit face drunk or whatever.
	But even then, maybe it's okay.
	But I mean, isn't the blood of Christ, isn't it wine or something?
	Yeah, technically it's wine, but it's not.
	I mean, so you should be drinking the blood of Christ.
	Wait, into the mic.
	Blood of Christ.
	I mean, at that point, you're supposed to be treating it as if it's the blood of Christ, but yes, it's watered down wine.
	Yeah, but I don't think like drinking, for example, means you're not Christian.
	No.
	No, that's more.
	Well, I grew up Mormon.
	That's what's Mormon English.
	Right.
	Word of wisdom.
	And we can debate whether or not Mormons are Christian.
	I think they're Christian.
	But within our religion, it was like, I don't drink, I don't smoke.
	I don't have all these things.
	Well, he's Orthodox, so I don't know if it differs there, but yeah, I'm not an expert on what you can or can't do as it relates to like drinking, cursing, drinking as a Christian.
	But final thing from you.
	You said you think Andrew's views on submission is gross.
	Yes, I do.
	Some of this stuff.
	You know what?
	Maybe we'll save it if you ever have a condo with.
	We already got into some of the submission talk with the bow, so I feel like we covered that.
	Aphilia.
	Ophilia did her stuff.
	Lady J, I'm like, finally.
	My favorite.
	Oh, why am I your favorite now?
	Oh, I don't know.
	I'm just saying that.
	Disregard.
	Because I vowed.
	See?
	Let's see.
	You've got endless dating.
	Excuse me.
	Endless dating stories.
	You've dated pro athletes.
	I did.
	Yeah.
	NFL?
	You don't have to say who, just NFL?
	Oh, no, NHL.
	Hockey.
	Baseball?
	I mean, I dealt with a lot of them.
	I never dated a baseball player.
	Basketball?
	NBA?
	Nope.
	So mostly hockey guys.
	Hey, you would be a good match for Pasty, Canadian, you know?
	I did briefly date an NFL player as well a long time ago.
	It was brief.
	You know what?
	Here's the crazy thing, right?
	Pasty.
	You know, he never made it to the majors, but like he was honestly, he was so close, but he got like an injury.
	So he was like a was it from Walking Back from the Woods when he was 11?
	He played college hockey.
	Yeah.
	Like he was a fucking all-star.
	Like they scouted him.
	And my ex-husband was supposed to be first-round, like first draft pick, but you're only draft years.
	Yeah, is 18 and he missed it.
	He was, yeah, so Pasty, he unfortunately had like a.
	You're really selling Pasty right now.
	No, he had an injury.
	But if you like hockey players, like he's your guy.
	I'm actually not a fan of any sort of professional athlete.
	I just, I happen to have some stories.
	I worked with them for years, so I have a lot of stories about them.
	Celebs?
	Have I dated any?
	Famous actor?
	Again, I worked with a ton of them.
	I never chose to sleep with any of them.
	No.
	Oh, musicians?
	Flirting and talking and then turned down the trip.
	Okay.
	You said you dated criminals too?
	I, yeah.
	Yeah, tell us about that really quick.
	That's the one I'm dealing with.
	Currently?
	Oh, your husband.
	What?
	Drugs?
	What?
	Drugs?
	No.
	I mean, no.
	Pablo Escobar?
	No.
	No, no.
	Cocaine?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	No, no.
	Hell no, Meth?
	No.
	What?
	Walter White.
	Breaking bad.
	He got cancer.
	Anyways.
	He had to support you.
	So he started a meth business.
	Yeah, my cancer.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's why.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	You disagree with the girls appearing on the show.
	Typically, yeah.
	I mean, I'm a pretty conservative young lady.
	You once dated a very well-known fitness influencer.
	Looked nothing like his online persona.
	Oh, this is a fun one.
	This one got brutal.
	You said he had a roommate, no money, but he presented himself as wealthy, successful business.
	Multi-millionaire, yeah.
	Spent all day in your office.
	He came to my home and stayed with me in my 5,000 square foot house, and he would spend all day in my office literally arguing with people on Instagram.
	Okay.
	Then he had a toothache and he's like, I need to go to the dentist.
	And I'm like, well, you're a multi-millionaire, but I'll pay for your dentist.
	And then I wake up in the middle of the night and he's jerking off furiously.
	Furiously.
	And I go, what the hell?
	And he's like, it helps my toothache.
	And no joke, literally.
	And the next morning, I'm like, you need to get out of my house.
	It's time for you to leave.
	Because we were not having intercourse.
	Oh.
	Because he had a toothache.
	So then he attempted to extort me for thousands and thousands of dollars.
	Wow.
	And he's now, we're waiting for his final judgment.
	Yeah, I had to.
	Wow, shit.
	That's fucked up.
	It was fun.
	So he got charged with like a... I had...
	Well, he came after...
	When I asked him to leave my house, he came after me with all these fake phone numbers and harassments.
	And he was a very large, scary person.
	And I have a recording of it all.
	But I had to go file a restraining order.
	And then once I submitted all the proof of what was happening, the five district attorneys decided to press charges with the state of California.
	Yeah.
	What were the crimes?
	It was attempted extortion, revenge porn, harassment.
	Oh, yikes.
	Yeah, it was pretty felonies, right?
	Yeah, I think it's going to get reduced.
	Unfortunately, it's really sad.
	It's taken six years for them to build this whole case, so it's been a long time.
	All right, and then we have Lindsay, and then we have V, then we're done.
	Okay, we'll be quick.
	Lindsay, hold on.
	I'm sorry.
	You want me to men who are passionate, obsessed with crystals, stones?
	Oh, no.
	Chakra, astrology, give you the ick.
	Really?
	I feel like most women are kind of, not sorry, not most women.
	But I feel like it's kind of the reverse.
	Like, guys get the ick.
	I'm not into like guys that like spiritual dudes.
	Okay, that's kind of based.
	That's based in Red Build.
	You're a legend, Lindsay.
	I don't want your man to be into that.
	I know.
	I have crystals here.
	I'm really in a weird shape, too.
	And I almost included cats in there, but then I realized you're a cat dad now.
	So it's all making sense.
	I like guys that like cats, though.
	But somebody did put something in there or in perspective for me.
	They're like, men who get cats are actually more responsible because they know that cats don't need the same attention as dogs.
	And I was like, okay, douche.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	You said that there's a growing amount of femme men in today's society.
	Huge issue along with morally disgraceful women.
	California men.
	You know, you've been living here.
	You grew up.
	Oh, wait.
	Hold on.
	You say, oh, sorry.
	You say men who grew up outside of California tend to be more masculine versus California guys.
	Okay.
	And then trying to see.
	I didn't hear anything.
	You hear.
	Should I skip it?
	I don't care.
	Okay.
	I guess the final thing for you then is.
	See, it was quick, guys.
	My girlfriend hated that.
	Sorry, that was a really bad joke.
	Hold on.
	Oh, wait.
	Whoops.
	Okay, never mind.
	Girlfriend hated that.
	Never mind.
	You had to be there.
	Okay.
	Ex-girlfriend.
	Here, several people constantly say they know they deserve the best and want to be treated like royalty, so like princess or queen shit.
	Yet they are the same exact woman who brings chaos to a relationship.
	You want to elaborate on that?
	Well, yeah, I think it's.
	I just, I cannot stand when I hear a girl.
	I mean, I would say mostly females and in the sense of I know what I deserve and I'm going to get it and I'm a queen or I deserve to be treated like this.
	And yet they are a fucking disaster.
	I don't know what to do.
	Okay.
	Stick with it.
	Final thing for you should just be a few minutes here.
	Then we'll do like a brief roast, I guess.
	Come on.
	Brief roast.
	Brief roast.
	They send in roast messages.
	It'll be five, ten minutes.
	Tell us the story.
	You got pregnant when you were 19 and you found out in rehab.
	Tell us the story.
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	So I had my first boyfriend when I was like 18 and we did it for like half a year or so.
	I don't even know.
	But I only did girls for not like only I still love girls.
	Let me just interrupt you very briefly just to get the roast session going.
	We're going to do $30 TTS $29.99 $29.99.
	You guys can start getting them in.
	Try to get them in quick if you can.
	$30 roast, $30 roast.
	Final portion of the show here.
	Didn't mean to, sorry to interrupt you.
	Please go ahead.
	Yeah, I had like two girlfriends before that, but he was my first like serious relationship, I'd say.
	And yeah, we broke up and I moved across the country a week later and went to rehab to get sober for the well, it was like my first attempt at sobriety.
	Is the stream still filming?
	Yeah.
	Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	My computer was tripping out.
	I didn't mean to go ahead. Sorry.
	It was my first attempt at sobriety.
	And I found out I was pregnant in rehab and it was a whole argument.
	He like really wanted me to abort the kitten.
	I didn't want to because I had the finances and like support for it.
	And I ended up having an ectopic pregnancy and he blocked me and never spoke to me again because I didn't willingly abort the kid.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But aren't you pro-abortion or pro-choice or whatever?
	What the fuck is pro- I'm pro-choice.
	pro-choice but it doesn't mean that like you know that doesn't mean all how old were you by the You said you were 18?
	Well, I was 18 when I first started dating him, but 19 when I got pregnant.
	But so what, I guess, what's the criticism that he broke up with you because you didn't want to have the abortion?
	No, he just never.
	Well, we were already broken up, but he never wanted to speak to me again.
	Well, you guys were broken up, so what's the problem?
	what do you mean well you're you're like what's the did he are you saying he did something wrong what Yeah.
	Which was what?
	Never spit.
	Like, he's not spoken to me in like three years because I didn't willing.
	Like, I lost his kid instead of willingly, you know, getting an abortion.
	Did he state that to you?
	That he, because you chose to keep it and you lost it, that that's the reason he won't?
	Yeah, You stated, yeah.
	Like, yeah, I have proof.
	I literally have proof of this.
	Well, he.
	Hold on.
	So he wanted you to get an abortion.
	Yeah.
	But you didn't.
	No.
	And he threatened it.
	Like, he threatened it before.
	Wait, so question.
	Did.
	He broke.
	You guys broke up before the ectopic pregnancy.
	Yeah.
	Like a month.
	Like, I was across the country.
	Well, you.
	Hold on.
	I'm confused.
	If he broke up with you prior to the ectopic pregnancy, how could that be a post hoc justification for why he broke up with you?
	No, no.
	It's not.
	Isn't that what she said?
	Go said they broke up and she was pregnant and he wanted her to get an abortion.
	She didn't want to get an abortion.
	And then she ended up having to get rid of the baby anyways.
	And then he just blocked her.
	He didn't want anything to do with her anyways.
	Because she wanted to keep the baby.
	So because she wanted to keep it, he didn't want to be with her anyways.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But she had to get rid of it because it was ectopic.
	But they had already broken up.
	So I don't see how the ectopic pregnancy, like that component of it, like, does nobody else understand?
	I don't know.
	I see it.
	Because, like, yeah, I see her.
	Just because you weren't, like, together anymore doesn't mean that he could, like, he could have supported you, like, at least emotionally or some sort of thing.
	Yeah.
	I mean, she was pregnant.
	Yeah, right?
	He didn't want to.
	I mean, look, we can have, not to get into an abortion debate, but.
	Oh, Lord.
	Well, no, we're not.
	We're not going to debate abortion, but I don't see.
	What's the actual problem?
	Well, she physically went through something kind of awful with the whole ectopic.
	That type of pregnancy is not comfortable.
	It's kind of a traumatic experience.
	Yeah.
	Probably didn't feel good to like go through something so traumatic, both like physically and emotionally since she wanted to keep it.
	And then he just wants nothing to do with her blocks or even though they were already split up.
	They were split up.
	Could still acknowledge her as a human being that went through something painful.
	Yeah, that's it.
	You know, if you would have gotten hit by a car the next day after you guys broke up and she didn't reach out, are you okay?
	I mean, yeah, sure, but I mean, like, how long were you guys dating for?
	Yeah, like half a year.
	Six months.
	Does it matter?
	It was still my first hope.
	I was 18.
	People break up all the time after knowing each other for only six months.
	And yeah, yeah, we'll get you out soon.
	But it's like women want to go no contact all the time after breakups.
	Men want to go null contacts all the time.
	No, no.
	But the point is, he tried like manipulating the situation like he was going to stay my friend until I didn't get the abortion.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm a little confused.
	I get it.
	It's pretty cut and dry.
	But there was, okay, but here's how I'm understanding it.
	He was like, okay, I'm in a shitty position.
	She's pregnant.
	She doesn't want to get rid of it.
	He's thinking, okay, I'm going to have to be involved somehow.
	No, no.
	He's going to be on the hook for child support.
	Whatever it is, right?
	Okay, I'm going to keep things like I'm.
	Okay.
	If a woman, if a woman has your kid, you're kind of linked.
	Yeah.
	You're linked.
	But like.
	You're linked.
	It's in the best interest to like have some.
	Look, some guys can just go and disappear.
	But you're kind of linked for life.
	Unless you totally, you know what?
	Don't pay me child support.
	Don't give a fuck.
	Go away.
	Right now that it was clear that that link was no more.
	He had he already broke up with you.
	He didn't want anything to do with you.
	He maybe only maintained contact because you were pregnant with his child.
	No, no, we were talking before.
	Like I moved across the country.
	We were still talking.
	I didn't know I was pregnant until like a week into rehab.
	But we were still talking like daily.
	What?
	Like we were when you were dating.
	No, we weren't like.
	Wait, what?
	We weren't dating when I was in rehab, but we were still talking.
	You know, like we were still friends.
	Like it was like a good terms breakup.
	I don't understand.
	You said that he told you he wanted for you to get an abortion.
	He said he would block you if you didn't.
	You didn't.
	What's the issue?
	What the fuck?
	That's horrible.
	What?
	You're the one who's pro-choice.
	Why can't a man is a man must like stay with you or whatever?
	No, I didn't want him to.
	I was going to raise it with my bestie.
	Then what do you care?
	What do you care if he blocked you?
	Because that's a horrible thing to do to a human being.
	Why?
	You guys broke up.
	So?
	Are you not on good terms with any of your exes?
	Oh, I mean, if I have an amicable breakup, I don't block them.
	Yeah.
	We were on good terms.
	You were on good terms.
	Yeah, when we were, you got knocked up at 19 in the rehab facility.
	You were on good terms.
	No, I would go.
	I moved across the country.
	Women who are on drugs.
	After we broke up.
	Women who take drugs and the drug addiction is so severe that they're in.
	Was it drug rehab?
	Yeah.
	Women who are in drug rehab are never, you know, never mistreat their partners.
	They're never erratic.
	There's never any negative behaviors from drug addicts.
	So in any case, I don't think it's, you know, were you perfect?
	You're a perfect woman in drug rehab?
	Hell no, but neither was he.
	I don't even think that's a good idea.
	Maybe he's a piece of shit, too.
	I think her point is just more like it was a traumatic thing, and then he blocked her, and that's kind of hurtful.
	It's not like some dude she was hooking up with, she gets pregnant.
	He's like, yo, I don't want to have the kid.
	She's like, nope, I'm going to keep this shit.
	She's a drug addict.
	By the way, hold on.
	Let's put a little accountability here.
	You got pregnant.
	It was like a meth baby, a crack baby.
	Don't even say baby.
	All things exist at the same time.
	Yes, it sucks.
	You didn't contact her.
	Question for you.
	Were you doing drugs after you found out you were pregnant?
	No.
	I told you, I found out I was pregnant in drugs.
	She was obviously in the middle.
	She wasn't ready to do it.
	People get out of reach.
	When you got pregnant, you were doing drugs.
	Well, I guess I was like a.
	Yes.
	Couple of weeks.
	What kind of drugs were you doing when you got pregnant?
	I'm sorry.
	Like upwards.
	What?
	Upers?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, the guy broke up with you.
	You were see the problem.
	That's crazy.
	His link to you, the moment that you had the abortion or whatever, the link is severed.
	Wait, there's a great point that's been missed here.
	It was.
	Oh, hold on.
	You became pregnant while on some heavy drugs.
	And that baby had a very high chance of coming out.
	It was in a really bad way.
	Say it.
	No, no.
	I was four weeks.
	Say it.
	Say it.
	Lady J.
	I was four to six hard.
	Lady J. Say it.
	No, I guess it's not.
	I was four to four to six weeks.
	I was four to six weeks when I found out.
	But I was sober for like two weeks when I found out.
	Oh, bro.
	I mean.
	Either way, it happened the way it was supposed to happen.
	Yeah, yeah, I agree.
	All right.
	Well, moving off of that.
	Hold on.
	No sympathy for women.
	Do you believe in 50-50?
	Yeah.
	Because you say first dates.
	Okay.
	Moving off from that.
	It's what?
	Insult train.
	Insult train?
	Wait, the roasts?
	You want the roasts?
	Well, we'll get there.
	We're getting there.
	We're getting there.
	There's two more notes.
	I'm going to leave.
	Final two notes.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	You say the typical view men typically view women as objects.
	I think Chat GPT maybe helps you with this on the.
	What?
	You said just kidding.
	Modern dating is so difficult.
	Hookup culture ruins everything.
	Men typically view women as objects and sex toys.
	It also ruins everything.
	I won't linger on this, but women objectify men.
	Okay.
	Men objectify women.
	It is what it is.
	If women are sex objects, men are success objects.
	Women objectify men all the time for a variety of reasons.
	Boom, roasted.
	Lawyered.
	Next point.
	Dismantled.
	Destroyed.
	Annihilated.
	Nuked.
	Owned.
	Just kidding.
	You're lovely.
	Cheating is overly normalized.
	Agree, wrong.
	Well, I don't know if it's normalized.
	What do you mean, wrong?
	No, I say it's wrong to cheat.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Rare to find somebody who won't.
	Have you ever cheated?
	Everyone has.
	Not me.
	Nope.
	Not true.
	You say the guy got you flowers once and he took you stargazing.
	Then he started growling in your ear and you never spoke to him again.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, that's.
	All right, guys.
	We're going to do the rust session now.
	Get them in, get them in.
	I need to get.
	Oh, hold on.
	$29 TTS, $29 TTS streamlines.com/slash whatever.
	Get them in, boys.
	Get them in.
	We won't linger on it for too long.
	Is this how we end on a high note?
	Yes.
	It's great.
	That's fucked.
	That's great.
	Oh, why didn't it trigger her?
	That's the best part of the show.
	Best.
	Okay, great.
	Best part.
	He's like, I had to listen to you stupid bitches for eight hours.
	We're like eight.
	Lady J is funny.
	Oh, thanks.
	She's got jokes.
	She's got jokes.
	Hold on.
	Why isn't it playing?
	One sec, guys.
	Let me see what's going on here.
	Hello?
	Is it going to freaking play?
	Oh, no.
	Uno memento, guys.
	Guys, like the video if you enjoyed the stream.
	Like the video.
	Here we go.
	Let's see.
	There we go.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Makeup removal.
	I'm not doing it.
	Would you guys take your makeup?
	Claire?
	Makeup?
	Do you want me to take my extension?
	Makeup?
	We'll skip it because it's already.
	We're a little late.
	I would, though.
	I would.
	Chore X Steam into the mic.
	Chair 1, can you please explain to use the motivation for the double eyebrow thing?
	It's been driving me nuts.
	Makeup removal, please.
	Also, who is the maniac telling women that tattoos look good?
	This is not double eyebrows.
	That's a cut.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, it's a little cut crease, but I get what you mean.
	Is it a tattoo?
	No, yeah, yeah.
	It's just eyeliner.
	Very 70s share, babe.
	I like it.
	That's so funny.
	That's the thing.
	That's the one thing that never made sense to me.
	A woman can block a man for whatever stupid reason during or after a relationship, but men can't do that.
	What the puppy is.
	You enrage me.
	It's funny.
	I didn't think it was that hard to understand.
	I mean, I'm just like- Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, you have to have human sympathy to fucking get it.
	I'm not going to give too much charity to a woman who's like in drug rehab.
	Like, I can't imagine you were like, that was a healthy relationship.
	It wasn't.
	And look, I'm not saying he was perfect, but like, if you're in drug rehab, you were probably toxic.
	Maybe he was toxic too.
	I'm not going to totally let him escape from any sort of whatever, but.
	I mean, I don't agree with the situation, but I can understand what she's trying to say.
	I get the point.
	Hold on, but hold on.
	Yeah.
	Like, who knows?
	Look, whatever.
	We're not going to comment on it.
	No, no, I'm fine with him, but.
	Let's see here.
	Let me see.
	If there was anything else, there's a few.
	I'm going to allow.
	If anybody wants to get some roasts in.
	I want to get roasted.
	Yes, roast her, please.
	Please.
	She needs to be roasted.
	Roast her.
	Roast, roast, roast.
	So we can see the full chat at a later point when we re-watch this.
	Yeah, on the playback.
	That's when the real trauma starts.
	Oh, yeah.
	I know.
	I've been going crazy this entire time.
	You guys are going to need therapy.
	You guys definitely will need therapy after this.
	Okay, there's more.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	I guess the only final thing from this questionnaire that I would say.
	Rachel, did you have an input on the like women are oppressed in the USA thing?
	Yeah, it's kind of long.
	I think everyone.
	Yeah, she's passing on that.
	It's not, I don't think, like, legally we're oppressed.
	I think we got this situation.
	Any final thoughts from any panelists before I get this wrapped up here?
	All right.
	I mean, there's no other.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	There's no other roast coming through.
	Wow.
	Look at us.
	Yeah, I know that.
	I guess if Ophelia or whatever the fuck her name is, maybe if she'd stayed, there would be more roasts.
	But maybe you guys were pretty.
	That's surprising.
	The show is gone.
	Someone called me Ozzy's stepdaughter.
	I was like, here.
	Yeah, someone called you the female Ozzy at the beginning of this, too.
	I love that.
	That's great.
	All right.
	Let me just check here.
	Okay, well, if any trickle in, I'll be sure to get them.
	But I want to say he'll text us directly this evening.
	Please.
	Oh, he's doing his outro.
	Yeah, I'm doing the outro.
	GG.
	To the panel.
	Last call.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Also, guys, wait until the stream fully ends.
	That way you can leave a comment.
	Leave a nice comment once the live ends.
	You have to wait like 30 seconds after the live for you to be able to leave a comment.
	I read them.
	Helps the algorithm.
	Positivity is nice.
	You can say something nice about me or whatever.
	Ryan deserves it.
	His life was threatened tonight.
	That's true.
	That shit was crazy.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, he put you in the same cat, put you in the same category as Charlie.
	So, I mean, you must be really cool, you know?
	I'd rather just not be on the live.
	Thank you guys for tuning in tonight.
	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	But to everybody, you could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Pasty George, I don't know if you're still watching.
	What the fuck?
	iPhone Air, my dainty Manhattan.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm sorry.
	It's just like, it's going to be a meme.
	It's going to be a meme at this point.
	Pasty George, can you go on eBay and find me a Blackberry?
	Like a 2004 Blackberry.
	I need a little, I need a physical keyboard.
	I have one.
	My hands are tiny.
	I have one.
	I can't do the digital keyboard.
	Get me a Blackberry, Pasty George, or a flip phone.
	Nokia, get me a fucking Nokia $30 flip phone.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	And thank you for the champagne pop, by the way.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay.
	We will be live again whatever Wednesday between 3 to 4 around there p.m.
	Live again with another dating talk Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
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	Very proper.
	Thank you.
	Thank you all, and good night.
	Good night.
	Bye.
	Thanks, Pasty.
	So, yeah, 07's in the chat, guys.
	07.
	Are we forgetting something or are we good?
	Nope.
	Okay, 07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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