Whatever Podcast - DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?!

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DEBATE w/ WOKE Feminist College Girls! Charlie Kirk HATER?! ANTI-TRAD Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #263

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
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	Hi.
	My name is Shona.
	I'm from the Bay Area.
	I'm a freshman at UCSB and I'm majoring in psych.
	Okay.
	Age?
	I'm 18.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	And what do you want to do after you graduate?
	I'm interested in healthcare, so like specifically psychiatry, mental health care in general.
	Okay.
	And let's see, psychology.
	Are you just getting your general classes out of the way now?
	Is that how it works at UCSB?
	Yeah, I mean, I have a lot of them already because of high school.
	Like, I took advanced classes, but I'm taking like science classes for like pre-med and things like that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name's Daniela.
	I'm from Alaska.
	I'm 20 years old and I major in econ and accounting.
	At UCSB?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And any, do you do work or anything like that?
	Yeah, I work at my apartments leasing.
	A little closer.
	Sorry.
	I work at my apartments leasing office.
	Gotcha.
	And you're from Alaska.
	Can you say which part of Alaska?
	Fairbanks?
	Anchorage.
	Anchorage, okay.
	That's the capital, right?
	Wait, what's the capital?
	Yes.
	Those are the only two.
	Wait, hold on.
	There's Anchorage, Fairbanks.
	How do I know Fairbanks, but not the capital?
	Juno.
	Juno's the capital?
	Yeah.
	Wait, really?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Cool.
	And then once you're done with, are you, wait, are you a junior?
	I'm a third year.
	Third year.
	Okay.
	You have a sense of what you want to do after graduation?
	Not really, but probably audit.
	I don't know.
	Audit?
	Audit?
	Like taxes, stuff.
	Okay.
	Like maybe a CPA, accounting.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And I detect a bit of an accent.
	No.
	You're just from Alaska.
	Yeah, some people tell me that, but I don't know where it comes from.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Do you speak any other languages?
	I speak a little bit of Portuguese.
	Portuguese.
	I took Spanish, but I don't know it that well.
	Was Portuguese your first language?
	No, but my mom's from Brazil, so she taught me a little.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	My name is Mari.
	I'm 24.
	I do content creation.
	I do OF, but it's also my last year in my university.
	So I'm going to get my bachelor's soon.
	It's coming up.
	I feel like it's taken forever, literally.
	Yeah.
	Well.
	Leave me alone.
	Sorry.
	Wait, so where are you from?
	Orlando.
	So if you can.
	Yeah, I got you, Orlando.
	And you grew up in Florida?
	Yeah.
	Are you a Florida woman?
	Uh-huh.
	You know how there's Florida man?
	Yeah.
	Are you a Florida woman?
	What's the definition of a Florida woman, though?
	There's just some people from Florida, you know, some of them, not all of them.
	We shouldn't be racist towards Floridians.
	They're a race of their own.
	We shouldn't be bigoted to the Floridians, but they're built different.
	Well, I was born in New Jersey, so does that help?
	Not whatsoever.
	Sorry, what were you studying at a university?
	I feel like I shouldn't really say what?
	I don't know.
	Just making it public like that.
	I feel like I keep that a secret.
	I think it'd be like.
	Okay, that's fine.
	It's easy to find if you really are.
	And so when you say you're a content creator, you said you do OnlyFans.
	Yeah.
	But it's your last year.
	Yeah.
	Didn't you say that a year ago?
	No.
	What?
	I had to do that.
	I had just gotten my associates when I was here.
	So I had just moved into a university when like I went from community college to university.
	I've just been moving a little slow.
	All right.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name's Love.
	I'm 21.
	I'm from SoCal and I'm in my fourth year at UCSB.
	All right.
	And what do you study at UCSB?
	Sociology.
	Sociology.
	Okay.
	And do you have a job or anything like that?
	Yeah, I'm a hairstylist and I work at a hotel.
	Hairstylist, okay.
	Yeah.
	Any girls here need, she's the hookup.
	Can you give them a discount, like a 10% discount?
	We can talk.
	Yo, we got a discount for the whatever podcast, code whatever for her.
	Do you use what's it called?
	Squarespace or Spotify?
	Spotify with a, Squarespace, Square for your, for your.
	I just ask everyone to just DM me.
	Okay.
	Do you have like, you don't have like a booking website or whatever?
	Not yet, no.
	Okay.
	Damn.
	Discount code won't work.
	Okay.
	And you study sociology.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And can you tell me, I mean, you're in your fourth year.
	I imagine you've taken some sociology classes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Tell me like just one thing that you've learned in sociology that you can relay to us.
	Well right now in one of my classes we're talking about identity.
	So that's a big topic about how like media, for instance, right now like influences your identity and stuff like that.
	Okay.
	So how would media influence?
	I don't disagree, but how does it influence identity?
	Like what you watch.
	So like if you watch a lot of like, I don't know, like, I don't know, if you're like into hip-hop and stuff, I feel like your identity, you embrace that part of your identity, if that's what you're into.
	Okay.
	Makes sense.
	Makes sense.
	What about you?
	My name's Kira.
	I'm 20.
	I'm from SoCal.
	I'm a third year in college right now, and I'm a barista.
	All right.
	And what are you studying?
	I'm studying film and media.
	Film and media.
	Okay.
	What do you want to do after?
	I want to edit, not specifically in film necessarily.
	Although that would be cool.
	But yeah, marketing, anything really, yeah.
	Okay.
	Any in-front of camera stuff or just behind the scenes?
	Yeah, I'm not usually in front of the camera.
	So this is new.
	Yeah, I'm usually behind it.
	All right, Nick, you can hide that one.
	It's Argentinian.
	Not because it's just, that's like three bucks.
	It's $3.
	The Argentinian currency.
	You got a super chat in USD.
	And both of you said, SoCal, you guys find sharing your city or like where you're from?
	Yeah, I'm from San Diego.
	San Diego.
	What about you?
	Like Riverside.
	Riverside, okay.
	What about you?
	Oh, me.
	Okay, so I'm Swanny.
	I'm 23.
	I'm from Tallhasse, Florida, home of Florida State.
	You're looking straight at me.
	How do you not know this?
	Well, I was talking to you.
	No, but when I do this, it just means speak into the microphone.
	Like, get closer.
	I wish you told me that.
	But okay.
	I'm Swanny.
	Wait.
	Sorry, repeat that.
	You wish I told you that?
	Yeah.
	But hold on, we told everybody multiple times before the show to speak into the microphone.
	Wait, wait.
	You wish I told you that when I do this, that means to speak in...
	Okay, well, I was just trying to tell you personally.
	Nick, add that to the pre-show.
	Like, we need to be really clear.
	If I do that, it's too vague.
	We need to explain to people that that's just, what does that mean?
	How could you ever expect that, right?
	Add it to the pre-show, Nick.
	All right.
	Understood, but okay.
	I guess I'll speak directly into the mic.
	All right.
	I'm Swanny.
	I'm 23.
	I'm from Tallasse, Florida.
	I used to go to FSU for marketing, but that shit honestly made me want to die.
	So I am now going to online school through my other John.
	You don't look too impressed, Brian.
	Don't worry about me.
	You know, the whole wanting to die.
	The whole wanting to die thing kind of threw me off a little bit, but okay.
	No, you're good.
	I feel great.
	That's why I'm here.
	That's why I'm here, Brian.
	But yeah.
	I hopefully want to become a PR manager in the future.
	Okay, cool.
	Yeah.
	Dope.
	And so you're from Florida?
	Yes.
	Are you a Florida woman?
	Yes, I am.
	Perfect.
	Born and raised.
	All right, cool.
	And then are you also a content creator?
	Of course I am.
	Do you also do OF?
	I mean, I do, but I also don't really get that out, you know, like I don't really go publicly about that, you know.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Any other kind of sex work, stripping, anything like that?
	I mean, if you technically want to go there, I'm an English teacher on Telegram, so you.
	Yeah, I teach English on Telegram.
	In the nude?
	No?
	But I'm talking in code.
	Oh, is that like code for?
	I mean, what do you think?
	You teach English on Telegram?
	What do you think?
	Maybe I'm just so innocent and naive.
	I'm just like, she fucking teaches English classes.
	You teach underprivileged Floridians how to speak English.
	Not Floridians, Ukrainians, Belarusians.
	Excuse me.
	I got that wrong.
	You're all good, Brian.
	I forgive you.
	I appreciate it.
	I forgive you.
	Okay, that's cool.
	And by the way, I want to pay you a compliment.
	Your lashes are the longest I've ever seen.
	Like they're going to fly off of my face or something.
	No, I feel like to like you need to have really strong eyelids to keep up the big lashes, you know, because like I've seen fake lashes.
	Like, are you wearing fakes?
	They're like extension.
	Or I don't know what the.
	What's the difference between?
	Sorry, sorry.
	They're like, they're like, you put them under.
	It's like individuals.
	Oh, versus like the would be like a whole face.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no.
	They're like really big.
	The lashes.
	Yeah.
	Like, I'm impressed.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	They're my Wayne since I don't have any.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Katie.
	I'm 36.
	I'm originally from...
	You're 36?
	Yes.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, what?
	I thought she was one of the college girls.
	What the hell?
	No.
	Holy shit.
	No, fucking.
	36?
	Yes.
	I know.
	Fucking study this girl over here.
	36.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	I'm originally from Northern California.
	Just moved to LA in February.
	Okay.
	And then I'm a cashier.
	Bro, you gotta, one of these scientists gotta figure out what's going on.
	Wait, so okay, 36.
	Sorry.
	I was so distracted.
	Occupation, sorry.
	Cashier.
	Cashier.
	All right.
	And you said you're from where?
	Sorry?
	Northern California.
	And then education.
	Did you say that?
	I'm just high school.
	Like a tiny bit of college decided it wasn't for me.
	Dropped out.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Bella.
	I'm 20.
	I'm from Sacramento, California, and I'm a third year at ECSP for econ and accounting.
	All right.
	And then any work or anything like that?
	I work remotely right now, like as a hiring manager and HR stuff.
	So back in work.
	All right.
	And Bella, after university, do you have a sense of what you want to do?
	Yeah, I want to get an internship this summer.
	And then like a big, what do they call it?
	Like the big five flaw firm, big four flaw firm.
	So like meet the firm accounting firms, yeah.
	Investment baking is really hard, but if you do it for like two to three years, I'm pretty sure it opens a lot of doors for other things.
	Okay, all right.
	Cool.
	And what about you?
	Hi, my name's Cody.
	I am from Fresno, and I am 42.
	I am a bartender, and I am starting a school back in the spring for drug and alcohol counseling.
	All right.
	Rock and roll, rock and roll.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	What is your current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Really quick, though, we have a chat coming through that we're going to read.
	I'm going to let that come through.
	Thank you, Adzils.
	Adzils donated $200.
	Yo, thank you, man.
	What's up, Brian?
	Your favorite Brit is back.
	Loved from the UK as always.
	Quick question.
	When are we getting Q back on this show?
	The Q pill has been missing, especially within the last panel.
	Yeah, we're going to try to get him back on soon.
	Yeah, but I've been kind of just soloing.
	You know, it's been like solo.
	I'm skipping the dungeons and stuff.
	Just solo, like doing solo questing.
	Anyways, yeah.
	Anyways, so okay, relationship status.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And longest relationship, starting with you.
	Okay, so right now I'm single.
	I've been single my whole life.
	And coming to college, I'm prioritizing my education because that's what I'm here for.
	It's obviously fun to have fun and this is a fun area, but I want to stay focused for sure.
	And also, like a lot of the guys here, they don't seem very interested in long-term relationships anyway.
	And school, just for those of you guys who go to UCSB, it just started, right?
	Like last week.
	Yeah, two weeks ago.
	So, okay, gotcha.
	So you've been single your whole life?
	But I mean, have you done any dating?
	I've liked guys, but I've never had a mutual pursual or like anything go on with a guy.
	So there's guys you liked, but then maybe I like guys who don't like me back.
	And then the guys who like you.
	I don't like you.
	You don't like them.
	Like I like the chase.
	Tail as old as you like the chase.
	What would happen if you actually got one of these guys though?
	Would you just lose interest?
	I'd probably like freak out too much.
	You'd freak out.
	And like run away.
	You'd be like, why would you freak out?
	Because it's like kind of scary.
	Like that's just too like, that's just too much to think about.
	So I think I'll focus on long-term dating either like towards the end of college or like in grad school, like when I'm older and I feel like I have my own stability a little bit.
	Okay.
	So I'm in a position to like make the best decisions I can.
	But have you have you ever been on like a date?
	A date?
	Should I?
	A date.
	Like you went to like hung out with a guy where there's mutual interest, I guess.
	Honestly, I just kind of went because why not?
	So you weren't really interested.
	I wasn't really interested, no.
	What did you, you guys got dinner?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you weren't feeling that.
	You weren't feeling that.
	Well, they're all nice.
	I just, I don't want to lead people on, you know?
	Don't want to lead them on.
	Yeah.
	So nothing then with a guy.
	Like, have you held hands with a guy?
	Well, yeah, I guess so.
	Like, have you had like more casual stuff, like any casual hookups or anything like that?
	Like, a little bit, but like, not like, no, like, body count, anything like that.
	Like, I would never, like, I would never go anywhere I would regret with a guy I'm not dating.
	So, that's always been true.
	Okay, so you're a virgin.
	Right.
	I just, it's kind of weird to just, like, say that.
	Right.
	Not think it's weird, but no, so no situationships, anything like that?
	No.
	Okay.
	That's a strong term, I think.
	All right.
	If an amazing guy, though, came around, I know you said you're primarily focusing on school.
	If a really fantastic guy came around, would you maybe?
	Sure.
	I would really have to see it through.
	Like, for me, like, I don't really like the whole dating culture of, like, you know, men shoot like a million shots on Instagram and then you see what lands and it's just very like superficial.
	I like something more organic where you kind of get to know the person first, like your characters, you become friends, and then see where things go from there.
	Like, it's less fake to me.
	Okay.
	I know that you're wearing a cross.
	Are you Christian?
	Well, no, but I went, I mean, I've grown up in like a multicultural family.
	Like, I've been surrounded by Christianity my whole life.
	I went to Catholic school.
	I respect Christianity a lot, but this is a stylistic choice.
	Does that offend you?
	No.
	Okay.
	So are you atheist, agnostic?
	I'm Hindu.
	Oh, Hindu.
	Okay.
	And when you say you grew up multiculturally, like your, was it your mom who was one culture, your dad another?
	Both are different cultures.
	So my mom's, she's from India.
	Your mom's from.
	My dad's British.
	I grew up in South Africa and then I moved here in 2014.
	You grew up in South Africa?
	Yeah, to like seven.
	From like born there?
	Zero to seven.
	Yeah, I was born there.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	I have a global perspective.
	If you stayed there longer, you would have kept the accent.
	I used to have a South African accent.
	It's not even really funny.
	It's a cool accent.
	It's so funny, but I got clowned when I came here.
	So you, yeah.
	So now I sound American.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Same here.
	I've never dated.
	Never dated.
	Okay.
	So you're single?
	All right.
	Any, I guess what's the extent of have you hung out with a guy?
	Yeah, I'm kind of on the...
	She's good, she's good.
	I'm kind of on the same page.
	Like, certain things I'd only do with someone I'm dating.
	But.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So have you been on like a date or?
	Yeah, and I've had dating apps and everything.
	Okay.
	But it's never like been serious.
	Okay.
	And I think, hold on.
	I think you wrote something specifically in your notes.
	Let me just pull that up.
	You had written, wrote in, written, wrote.
	Oh, damn.
	How long?
	How many notes do we have?
	You wrote.
	Never dated.
	Okay.
	Can you tell us the experience to the point that you have had then?
	I've held hands.
	I've kissed, hugged, like that kind of stuff.
	But yeah, nothing more.
	Okay, so you're also a virgin?
	Nope.
	Okay.
	And have you had a first kiss?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's an unfortunate story.
	Unfortunate story?
	Good times.
	Not good times.
	Good times.
	Well, the first kiss can sometimes be a little awkward.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, so my longest relationship was three and a half years.
	Okay.
	He passed away.
	All right.
	And I've been single for about almost two years.
	Two years.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Single for two years, and I'm assuming the three and a half year relationship is the one that ended two years ago?
	Or was that a different?
	No, no.
	I had already broken up with him and then I got with someone else for like a year.
	So it happened like a year or two after our breakup.
	I see.
	Can you tell us what happened there?
	Yeah, he already on what?
	On you really want to know?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Fent?
	Fent?
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry about that.
	Thank you.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, sorry to hear about that.
	Were you...
	No, I was not.
	Were you there?
	No, I was not in his life during that time period.
	You've been single for two years, though.
	Yeah.
	Properly, like, properly single or you're a little bit more single.
	Yeah, properly single because like I was literally ever since I was I've been dating since I was 15.
	I would like jump and jump and jump like three different relationships, 15 to like 22 or something like that.
	I don't know.
	Sure.
	So sure.
	Why are you saying sure?
	I don't like sure.
	No, it wasn't like a I doubt you sure.
	Okay, okay.
	It was a I acknowledge what you're saying.
	Just making sure.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Fashion.
	Sure.
	For sure.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been in relationships before, situationships.
	I'm currently single right now, though.
	Currently single?
	Longest relationship?
	Like 10 months.
	10 months.
	And would you call it a relationship or was it more of a situationship?
	It was my first relationship.
	Okay.
	So it was a relationship, but yeah.
	Gotcha.
	And was it monogamous?
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you said you sorry, you've been single for how long?
	Like technically three years.
	Technically three years.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship right now.
	We've been together for about a year and a half.
	And my longest relationship was almost three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	That three-year relationship, when did that end?
	The start of my senior year of high school.
	So we were together throughout all of his schools.
	It was mostly, yeah, majority of high school.
	Yeah.
	It ended the start of your senior year.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I see.
	What happened?
	Cheating or just no, no, not cheating.
	We, yeah, we'd just been together for a really long time.
	And he, I didn't like the way that he let his mom dictate our relationship.
	His mom did the relationship.
	What, if you can, maybe give us two or three examples.
	What were some ways the mom was dictating the relationship?
	She didn't want him to be with me.
	She liked me as a person.
	She just didn't want him to be in a relationship.
	And she made that very clear.
	She, and like, he was not allowed to come to my house hardly ever, even if like my parents were home and my parents were like super communicative with her.
	And I remember one time she had told him that my mom had emailed her and told her he couldn't come over, which is like my mom didn't have her email.
	So that was kind of funny.
	And, you know, if he'd like asked her to see me, she would bring up like a chore or something he had to do instead.
	It just, it just wore on me after a while.
	I really did care about him, but it just got to a point.
	I was like, I feel like I'm moving into adulthood and I don't want to feel like I'm being held down by your mom.
	So sure.
	Although all love to her, though, I love her as a person.
	She's awesome.
	And you've been in a relationship for a year and a half.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Okay, so I've been single for like a year, but I have my reasons behind it.
	Basically, I was with a guy and it was a trauma bond rather than, you know, a real relationship.
	And I'm not going to like go through the whole turmoil because it's going to take like three other episodes to explain the whole thing.
	But long story short, he literally ended up fucking my roommate from the psych ward.
	Yeah.
	What?
	So it was nice to know that he had a type.
	Psych ward type.
	Yes.
	Nice.
	Yes, and he took her on my dream date as well.
	Wait, question.
	Have you been to the psych ward?
	That's an odd thing.
	Well, what do you think?
	I don't know.
	You seem very well put together.
	Yes, well, now I am.
	But obviously it plays fixed to me.
	You said he has a type, so I feel like that would indicate that he's dated multiple women.
	I mean, he probably likes crazy girls, but like, obviously he wants me, but he can't get me anymore.
	So he's going to have to get, was he in the psych ward?
	He fumbled you.
	Let me.
	Did he fumble you?
	Oh, absolutely.
	What does that mean?
	Can't believe.
	Can't believe that guy.
	Let's fumble.
	Just fumbled.
	I was like, he made a big fucking mistake.
	Big mistake.
	Because after that, I went along to visit seven other countries.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Good times.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	My longest relationship was a year and two months.
	A year and two months.
	Yes.
	And I'm not sure if you want to hear this, but the reason why we ended things is because I'm not sure if we'll get monetized, but I snuck out of my house when I was like 17 just to see him.
	And then that was literally the same time my French student from Nice, France, was going to come over and sleep in my house.
	But I was just like, no, I literally don't care.
	She can just come over and sleep there without me knowing that I'm there.
	But my parents knew that I snuck out already.
	And I ended up doing tabs with this guy.
	And then, yeah, that basically just broke off the whole entire relationship because, yeah.
	Nice.
	Good times.
	Yeah, good times.
	Good times.
	I had a good trip, but the aftermath was not good.
	Okay.
	But that's a whole different story for later.
	Sure.
	All right.
	Wait, so that's why you broke up with him?
	Because you did acid with him?
	No, he broke up with me.
	Because you did acid?
	Yes.
	What the fuck?
	He saw God.
	he broke up with me.
	What about you?
	Bro, who picks these?
	I'm married, and my longest relationship was about eight years.
	All right.
	Is that your current?
	No, we just got married in June.
	We've been officially dating since last November.
	Wait.
	And so you guys have been together for just a year total?
	Yeah, like we've known each other for about like nine years.
	So we've been friends for a long time.
	Oh, interesting.
	Okay, so your longest relationship, eight years.
	And were you married or no?
	No.
	Okay, so this is your first marriage?
	Yes.
	Okay, from start of dating to marriage, how long were you guys together?
	We were kind of, I guess, unofficially dating since like, well, November 2023 is when like we kind of reconnected.
	So I was just driving back and forth from Norcala to LA to see him.
	Okay.
	We just weren't, you know, I guess, like I said, it's like unofficially dating more.
	Like I was like chasing him.
	And you said you guys have been friends for a long time.
	Yeah, we used to work together.
	The eight-year relationship, from what age to what age was the eight-year relationship?
	It's 24 till, I don't remember when we broke up.
	Yeah, 32.
	Yeah, somewhere around there.
	Okay.
	And you said you've known your current husband for nine years.
	Yeah.
	So it's been a while since I did math.
	Hold on.
	We have a couple econ accounting people here.
	Maybe they can help me out.
	So would that be five years into your eight-year relationship, you met your now husband?
	Is that correct?
	Well, I'm not saying anything happened, but you met him.
	I guess, yeah, I think when did we meet?
	Was he friends with your ex?
	Yeah.
	Ooh, okay, here we go.
	Let's dig a bit.
	I'll dig a bit.
	I know where I'm going.
	So, okay.
	They were friends.
	Actually, we all worked together before.
	Oh, you worked together?
	Yeah.
	What was the work?
	It was like a restaurant kind of setting.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	You guys were like servers or kind of.
	I mean, because it was like in a food court sort of setting.
	So it was a food establishment.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So, okay, y'all knew each other and they were friends, but you were also friends with him too.
	Kind of.
	Like, we didn't really talk when we worked because he was actually my manager.
	It's like I just didn't really talk to him.
	They were more friends.
	And that was just kind of just working.
	Question for you.
	Yeah.
	Was your husband biding his time?
	Oh, you mean for me?
	For you?
	No, no, no.
	He, like, when we first started talking, and then I told him at that, like a few months in, like, hey, I like you.
	And he actually turned me down.
	He had other priorities.
	He didn't want to relate to you.
	So when you were single, you tried to date him, but he, okay.
	Well, like, but he was dating somebody at the time, you said, right?
	My husband.
	He was dating someone like a year before I reconnected with him because he was in the Bay Area and then he moved to LA in 2020.
	Okay.
	So I didn't see him again until 2023.
	I see.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	Well, and you've been married for how long?
	A couple months.
	A couple months.
	All right.
	And you guys planning to have kids?
	Yes.
	Do you have any kids?
	No.
	No kids.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	Okay.
	How long have you been two weeks?
	Two weeks?
	All right.
	Longest relationship?
	No.
	Or what's the longest one?
	Oh, what's the longest one?
	A month.
	One month.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	See what?
	No, I was remembering the notes.
	There was somebody in here who said no relationship has lasted more than a month.
	How many past relationships would you say haven't lasted over a month?
	Because you say all your relationships.
	So how many?
	Probably like a couple.
	So this one's my third, so technically two.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Haven't lasted over a month.
	And when you call them relationships, so these are like official boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Were there periods like before where it was more casual situationship, or it was you just immediately you meet somebody, we're boyfriend, girlfriend?
	Yeah, it was it's like talking and then immediate like pretty quick.
	Yeah, not really a situationship, kind of like, oh, let's date or exclusive two weeks.
	So listen, Bella, I want to, I have a challenge for you.
	Let's make it to two months, okay?
	I know, I'm really excited.
	Look, if it ends after two months, you know, that's, you know, 2x, the longest relationship I've.
	So if you make it to two months, we'll actually give you a prize.
	We'll give you a.
	Who do I reach out to?
	You reach just at whatever on Instagram.
	We will.
	What do we get her?
	I don't know.
	We get you a coupon.
	DoorDash gift card.
	I don't know, something.
	For hair.
	For freezing your eggs or something.
	I don't know.
	Anyways.
	So, okay, question though.
	You say all your past relationships haven't lasted over a month.
	Why do you think that is?
	Because I was, well, my first one was when I was 15.
	It's like high school.
	I'm just going to, you know, immaturity, probably.
	Yes.
	Yeah, just probably immaturity.
	And then no bad blood with any of them.
	I feel like I like to be friends with the people.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	My longest relationship, well, I'm single right now, and my longest relationship was five years.
	I actually just met a dude last night that lives in LA, and he's probably going to come pick me up from this podcast.
	So we're going to hang out.
	See where that goes.
	Yeah.
	Longest relationship?
	Longest was five years.
	Oh, five years.
	And you've been single for no, I've been single for about four and a half.
	Four and a half.
	Okay.
	Any kids?
	Yes, I have an 11-year-old son.
	All right.
	Is that from the five-year relationship?
	It's from one of the five-year relationships.
	Okay, there's been a few.
	There's been not a few, but there's been two.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	Okay, cool.
	How did you meet this LA guy?
	Facebook dating.
	Boom.
	There you go.
	Rock and roll.
	Yeah.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's see if there.
	No, that's everything.
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	All right, we're going to just jump right in, guys.
	So we have a couple different topics to talk about.
	We're going to keep it mostly dating related tonight.
	But Shona here had a specific request to talk about a recent event.
	So why not?
	I'll bite for a little bit, but we'll keep it mostly dating.
	Shona, you had written that, let's see, quite a few dating-related topics, but you wanted to talk about Charlie Kirk.
	I knew it.
	So we'll touch on it briefly.
	So you said that, well, I'll just let you put it into your own words then.
	Yeah, so I think I have a lot of thoughts when it comes to Charlie Kirk.
	Do you want me to just say everything I think?
	Sure.
	Is it like a five-minute monologue or a few minutes?
	That'll come.
	A few minutes.
	No, no, no.
	You can come me off.
	Feel free to cut me off whenever.
	Do try to condense it.
	Okay.
	If you can.
	Sure and sweet.
	Okay, so first of all, I saw Charlie Kirk hater in the title of the video.
	And I want to say, I think hater is a very crude way of defining my thoughts on him.
	I think it's a lot more nuanced than that.
	I certainly did not celebrate his death regarding the super chat.
	I saw earlier, I think it was horrible.
	My stomach dropped the day I saw it, and I feel for his family.
	I have empathy for his family, which is something he actually didn't believe in.
	He believed empathy was a new age term.
	But overall, I'd say that he promoted a lot of really dangerous and harmful agendas and rhetoric throughout his career.
	Really quick, what are those?
	I think one that stood out to me specifically was the Islamophobic things he would say.
	So he said, Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America, which is just no context.
	He just tweeted that.
	Additionally, he said, in relation to Mamdani running for NYC mayor, and you can have whatever thoughts you want on Mamdani, like I lean left, but some of the things he talks about, like even I, I have questions about that.
	But he said, in relation to him running, he said, Muslims, they bombed America on 9-11, and now you want a Muslim in office.
	Nothing to do with his politics, just straight up Islamophobia.
	He calls Muslims conquerors, invaders.
	Mind you, I mean, like, I respect Christianity and all religions.
	I don't think we should generalize religions like that.
	But he said that thing, those about them, when mind you, Christians have in the past, like the Trail of Tears, the treatment of indigenous people, Chateau slavery justified by the Bible, the encomienda system, the crusades.
	Like, there's so much that all religions have done that's harmful.
	And I don't think you can suddenly say things like that about Islam.
	So, I mean, there's a lot there.
	Sorry, I have a lot.
	You've kind of shotgunned a whole bunch of points.
	Some of these are not my particular wheelhouse.
	And obviously, Charlie Kirk has like thousands of hours of content online.
	And I'm not necessarily prepared to defend like every single thing he's ever said, just because I would have to know the precise points.
	Really quick, though, just off the top of my head, an immediate rebuttal to your point, this idea that Christians did crusades.
	Most of these crusades were actually in response to Muslim conquest.
	You see like Muslim conquest in like Spain, for example, reaching into Europe, going to Vienna.
	So most of these Christian conflicts as it relates to Islam and Muslims were actually repelling invasions into Christian land.
	So Muslims did conquest all the way up to Vienna.
	So this idea that Muslims throughout all of history have been a completely peaceable people is ridiculous.
	I don't think, well, you could look at pretty much any group throughout history and say, no, no group has really been a peaceable people.
	No group has.
	No group.
	That would include even, for example, Native Americans.
	But because you did mention the Trail of Tears, I would point out, though, that, you know.
	And the re-education of Native Americans.
	Well, okay, well, hold on.
	We're getting into a whole bunch of different wheelhouses here.
	In any case, though, I think it's valid to have specific criticisms over things Charlie has said.
	Again, I'm not a, I don't know what the right word is.
	I'm not like an encyclopedia of every single thing he said.
	I'm not an encyclopedia of all the defenses of everything he said.
	Also, people tend to mischaracterize his arguments, leaving out critical comments.
	I just, I quoted what he said, Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America.
	And you don't have to be an encyclopedia, but I'd love for you to tell me what you think of that statement specifically.
	Again, I don't know the specific context.
	That is just a tweet.
	Well, hold on.
	You do realize, though, Charlie Kirk would be live streaming and he'd be speaking for hours on end.
	So for you to just throw out a statement.
	This was standalone, right?
	Standalone.
	Standalone.
	Yeah, like he didn't say this in the context of a long conversation.
	He tweeted this.
	What did he say?
	Islam is the knife.
	Can we just forget?
	Pull it on, pull it up.
	Just pull it up.
	Then I can give my thing.
	And he also tweeted the thing about Mamdani.
	Like, oh, Muslims, they bombed America during 9-11.
	Now you want to vote a Muslim into office.
	Those were standalone tweets.
	I would say that that's a fallacious argument, if that's what he said.
	I think that'd be fallacious.
	that's completely but also my understanding is islamophobic my My understanding would be that Charlie Kirk, as a Christian, he would want Christian doctrine and values to have influence in the way we govern the United States.
	Like a theocracy?
	Well, I don't know if that was necessarily his prescription, but he would want the guiding principles and values of Christianity.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	Like personally, growing up around Catholic school, I think Christianity has many values, and you don't even have to specifically tie them to Christianity.
	Like just overall morals that should be incorporated into the government.
	But I just, I can't, again, like, it's fine that he's Christian and he promotes those values.
	You know what, though?
	Before, look, I think it's fair to say that Charlie Kirk has said things that you object to or that you might even.
	That you object to?
	Well, hold on.
	That might even could be objectionable across the board.
	Absolutely.
	If you presented to me something that Charlie Kirk said, I could be like, I disagree with that.
	So can you please tell me that you disagree with him saying Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America and that so hold on.
	Is that what he repeat what he said?
	I've said it so many times.
	Islam is the knife that slit the throat of America.
	In reference to 9-11.
	Like the context.
	Not necessarily just in reference to all his feelings about Muslims.
	But is it in reference to 9-11?
	Wait, hold on.
	Do you deny that, wasn't it like who were the hijackers?
	I think Donald Trump is the knife that slit the throat of America.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	I'm so glad we're on the same page about that.
	Disagree on that.
	You said fair enough, though.
	I'm saying fair enough, not in agreement with you.
	Okay.
	I'm saying fair enough.
	You can, fair enough, you can say that.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Don't say that.
	Don't agree.
	Disavow, disagree.
	Yeah.
	When he said like Islam is the knife that slits the throat of America, did he mean like Islam or did he mean like ISIS and like the bad?
	He did not.
	Did you find it?
	I found a picture.
	I can't 100% verify this, but it's a screen grab and it's pretty close to what you're saying, but if you guys want to read it, it is real, by the way.
	Is this the right one?
	Okay, yeah, I paraphrased it.
	I can't confirm that this was.
	I'm still looking for it.
	Okay.
	But again, like, I've mentioned a lot of things he said about.
	This is the sword the left is using.
	Okay, so you did misquote him.
	I do want you to acknowledge that.
	Okay, I did not, I do not remember all the things he said word for word, but I mean, overall, he's just said a lot of harmful things about Islam.
	Do you think he's also very xenotech?
	I'm just curious, do you think that you're against like a theocracy, right?
	A full-on theocracy.
	Like, so, for example, would you be against Sharia law in this country?
	Look, I think it depends on, it would depend on how it's implemented.
	What do you mean how it's implemented?
	Listen, listen, listen, can I expand on that?
	I think there are countries that have Sharia law that don't treat women well.
	For example, Afghanistan, I'm completely against the treatment of women in Afghanistan and certain Sharia law, the same way I would be against like a government completely controlled by Christian values, like not incorporated, but like a full-on Christian theocracy.
	I don't think religion should rule the government.
	I think you can incorporate values of a religion into the way you live with the government.
	Why can't you just answer the question?
	Repeat your question.
	Do you think that there should be Sharia law in the United States?
	No, not necessarily, no.
	But why?
	That won't even make sense.
	Why the need to muddy the waters there?
	Okay, well, I because you're saying, so what if there was a manifestation of Sharia law that you personally found acceptable?
	Because I can agree with you.
	Like, there are various Muslim-majority countries that don't treat people well.
	Sure, yeah.
	Well, no, I was about to say that have varying degrees of liberties and freedoms for their populace.
	Some of them are less oppressive, some of them are more oppressive.
	In my ideal world, I don't think religion is playing a role in government.
	I found the actual quote, by the way.
	Sure, we can pull it up.
	It's a response to a video.
	Oh, there we go.
	See, that's kind of more what I said, right?
	Or no, it's not.
	Is it?
	No, it's the same thing.
	There's a clip.
	Okay.
	So.
	Again, regardless of a clip, I don't think that's a very great statement to make.
	I think like you said, oh, Islam's not a fully peaceful religion or something like that.
	I think.
	Well, I suppose this could apply to all religions.
	Right.
	I think the vast majority of Muslims are not for terrorism and not for ISIS and not for 9-11.
	That's not like liberal Islam, which is like widely practiced today, is normal and acceptable and peaceful and should not be subject to the things that he said about Islam.
	That's what I think.
	Okay.
	I hope you can agree with that.
	Agree with what specifically?
	That Islam as a religion is not inherently religious.
	But I'm a little bit confused.
	Wouldn't you make a criticism if there were Christian nationalists who wanted to govern the United States under a Christian doctrine?
	Would you object to that?
	I completely objected to that.
	Would you think that that would be like potentially slitting the throats of liberty in America?
	Yeah, sure.
	So how would it be, then if that's your position, how could you possibly have an objection to somebody saying, well, this other religion over here, that would be slitting the throats of Americans if used by the left?
	Because the left isn't even using Islam to slit the throat of America.
	That doesn't even make sense.
	No one's trying to incorporate Islam values into the government here.
	Are they?
	Please correct me if I'm wrong.
	I mean, perhaps not at full scale, but like if you look at Dearborn, Michigan, for example, it's like a completely Muslim majority area.
	You have women walking around, and I don't know what your position on this is, but women walking around in like full burqa, full, is it niqab, I think?
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, yeah, that's the one that covers everything under your eyes.
	Yeah, so I don't know how that's completely acceptable, by the way, for someone to wear that clothing.
	Did you say it's inacceptible?
	No, it's acceptable.
	You think it's acceptable?
	Yeah, okay.
	I mean it's freedom of religion It's in the First Amendment, right?
	Okay, sure.
	I suppose.
	What do you mean, you suppose?
	Yeah, people are free to do it.
	Is it?
	But would you like to see that being the status quo for the entirety of America?
	But the entirety of America is not Muslim, so that would never be the status quo.
	I know, but I'm just talking hypothetically.
	Okay, if the whole of America was somehow Muslim and practicing Islam and chose to wear the niqab, which is like a very far-stretched hypothetical, then yes, because we have the right to practice whatever religion we believe in.
	I have a question for you, though.
	Let's say, for example, you realize that there's different jurisdictions, right?
	So you have like local jurisdictions where it's like the city level, then you have county, then you have federal, then you have state.
	Would you object to assume there was a Muslim majority in a county, Michigan, for example, and they said, you know what, we're going to pass a law that requires women to wear the nika.
	I would disagree with that.
	You would disagree with that.
	You would not.
	What I'm advocating for is the freedom to practice your religion, practice your speech, your beliefs, whatever that is.
	So no one could enforce a certain belief or anything like that on you, right?
	Okay.
	So I understand that you have specific criticisms of things Charlie Kirk has said.
	But I do want to ask another thing because xenophobia, he was very xenophobic, like against immigrants.
	How so?
	Okay, so there's this reporter who used to...
	Wait, really quick, can you define xenophobia?
	Discrimination against immigrants, prejudice against immigrants.
	So if you were, if just by virtue of being, let's say you, as an American, you have an anti-illegal immigration stance.
	Would that make you xenophobic?
	No, not necessarily.
	Not necessarily.
	And I want to get into that.
	But what if you point to, for example, like potential negative outcomes of illegal immigration?
	Is that xenophobic?
	No, because I'm, I, like, I recognize the potential negative effects of illegal immigration, which is why I kind of am more moderate when it comes to the topic of immigration.
	So, what's the problem?
	But that still doesn't make me xenophobic.
	What specifically has Charlie Kirk said that's xenophobic?
	Yeah, so Mehdi Hassan, he was reporting at MSNBC, and I forget what he was reporting about, but out of context, Charlie Kirk, he heard his like British accent, and he said, Someone send this guy to wherever he came from, like, send him back, deport him for what he was saying, like his take that he disagreed with.
	And mind you, this guy, Mehdi Hassan, he's an American citizen, completely naturalized.
	He also, he said something about if you criticize Israel, I won't talk too much about that necessarily if it's not allowed, but you should be deported.
	So he kind of had this stance of like, oh, you say something I disagree with, get out of this country.
	Like, that's just, that seems kind of a little bit xenophobic to me.
	Yeah, sure.
	So, I mean, what I ultimately want to do, though, I'm sure you can listen to it.
	I'm sure you can list a documentary.
	Not even cherry-picking at all, right?
	That's fine, but that's fine.
	I just hear this all on a bunch of people.
	That's totally fine.
	And look, myself, I could probably point to things that Charlie Kirk has said that I would be like, you know, I disagree with that, or I have disagreement on policy, or that specific thing he said, you know, wording, not great, wrong, whatever.
	I want to bring it back to the central point here, though, is that you're saying that he said these bad things.
	Radical statements.
	Extreme, vulgar, kind of dangerous radical statements.
	Also the stuff about gun violence.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Well, okay.
	Again, I don't want to get into the weeds with you.
	I don't want to, because then we're just going to have like a debate on all his political takes.
	We're going to talk about gun control.
	It's my dream date.
	We're going to talk about everything, right?
	I know.
	He doesn't want to talk about it.
	It's okay.
	Well, but what I did want to talk about, the central point here would be, is it sounds like you're about to make a justification for assassination?
	No.
	Okay, well.
	No one should ever be assassinated for their speech, no matter how crazy and harmful.
	But where's the butt?
	Is there a but?
	Well, there's a period at the end of that sentence.
	You know what?
	Sure, I can add a but though.
	I don't think he could be separated from the agendas he chose to promote.
	With that said, I still don't think he should be killed.
	And again, like, it's horrifying and disgusting, and I condemn it.
	And it's really harmful to democracy for someone to be killed for the things they say, no matter how outlandish.
	You say he ultimately contributed to the dangerous political environment that led to his demise.
	I don't think he can be separated from the systems he spent his time promoting.
	Like, for example, I think if Charlie Kirk was, let's say you had a son.
	Wait, I don't even understand this logic.
	So, for example, if anybody who ever votes for a politician, like how can you ever be separated from the system that you promoted through your vote and through your own agency?
	What I'm saying that about Charlie Kirk specifically.
	Well, question.
	If somebody voted for Donald Trump and they were assassinated, or they believe in like, you know, they're like really pro-Second Amendment, would you be like, well, you contributed.
	We can't separate you from that system because you are pro-Second Amendment.
	Well, I mean, it's, again, it's not supposed to be a justification.
	It's supposed to be a nuanced look at.
	You're doing a bit of hand-waving.
	Also, with Charlie Kirk, it's different than voting because he was funded by billionaires.
	He was very influential.
	He had like all these viral clips and moments.
	So he should be assassinated?
	No.
	I mean, you're trying to like.
	You've just made the argument, like these Democrats, by the way, extremely, extremely bought out by major corporations, Kamala, massive, massive contributions.
	I don't think billionaire don't.
	I don't believe in that.
	I don't believe in that.
	I don't believe in billionaires playing a huge role in politics.
	When you say you don't believe in that, you're saying you don't believe what I said to be true, or you don't believe that billionaires should be contributing politically.
	I don't think they should be like pouring all their money into these media amounts.
	That's a separate conversation.
	Okay.
	But that's what I believe.
	I just don't think they should be like funding what.
	Right, but then you would have to argue that, well, okay, because Kamala raised billions of dollars from donors.
	She's not my but she should, I don't think she should be assassinated for it, but your logic would seem to have been assassinated.
	It seems to follow that she's contributed to the system of violence.
	What I wanted to say about that statement in the context of Charlie Kirk is that he constantly kind of like excused and brushed over gun violence every year.
	He's like, oh, it's collateral.
	Oh, it's just like car accident deaths every year.
	That's the consequence of us getting to drive a car.
	Yeah.
	And I think if it was, if it was, if you had a son who was in first grade and that son was the victim of gun violence, Charlie Kirk would not bat an eye in the direction or care about that at all.
	It was just collateral to him.
	Gun violence was just collateral to him.
	Well, I think Charlie Kirk would absolutely be broken if one of his children was killed by gun violence.
	Yeah, but when it's other people's children, like when it's the people, there was another school shooting the same day Charlie Kirk died.
	If he had lived past that, he would have been like, oh, it's just collateral.
	It's just so we can bear arms.
	It's just like the conversation.
	I think you can still want to maintain your constitutional rights, specifically the Second Amendment, and also abhor unjustified killings, violence, school shootings.
	But at the expense of how many things, but believing in the Second Amendment and wanting to uphold the Second Amendment and giving people access to robust ability to protect themselves and to prevent a tyrannical government.
	Without even the consideration of any sort of gun control.
	Let me just finish my point.
	I think these two positions are not contradictory.
	So you can be like, hey, we have a major issue in our country.
	Gun violence of any kind is, we shouldn't have any, but we should also be able to own firearms.
	Right.
	But then if you think that, if you are, if you are so horrified by gun violence, but you want to protect your Second Amendment right, then shouldn't you believe in some sort of gun control, some sort of checks and measures?
	There are.
	Not enough, clearly.
	There are.
	If they're getting into the hands of people like sure.
	Well, I mean, I can talk about my own experience.
	For example, if you go to a gun shop here in the United States, or well, sorry, in California, the first thing you have to do is you have to get a safety certificate.
	It's like a 25.
	To be fair, I studied for it.
	I passed it the first time.
	It's pretty simple.
	And then there's a 10.
	It's pretty simple, right?
	Anyone could.
	Well, then, but if you make it too complicated, because for example, there's like questions on there.
	I got 23 out of the 25 questions correct.
	Two of them were related to like, if you're a firearms dealer, something about being a firearms dealer, which like I'll never need to know.
	And then there was something about like, what age do you need to be to be able to buy like a specific type of gun?
	And I'm like, I'm well above the age for that to ever be relevant to me.
	So it's like.
	I just want increased background checks and things like that to make sure that if you want to uphold your Second Amendment right as an ethical, normal person who is law-abiding, that you can get that gun, but that it can't get into the hands of people who are not ethical and law-abiding.
	I just want increased amounts of people.
	Well, there's a 10-day period, at least in California, 10-day cooling off period.
	So you go to a gun shop, first you have to pass the test, you have to get the background check, make sure there's nothing that's going to come up on that.
	And then you have to wait 10 days before to get the firearm.
	Different jurisdictions, different states have different laws.
	But I mean, I guess my question I would ask you is: even if there's an outright, and practically speaking, I think it's just going to really never happen.
	Do you think if we were to actually fully outlaw guns?
	Like, would that be your hope to fully outlaw guns?
	That's not necessarily my take because I, again, I don't think you can start like compromising on amendments.
	I just want like increased measures to where, again, people like you can get guns, but people like school shooters can't.
	Just increase safety and hopefully less gun violence as a result of that.
	Because if you look at other countries, I think.
	So what checks would you, what things would you want to be in place to prevent someone from purchasing a firearm?
	Because I mean, just to let you know, like a lot of these people who do commit these abhorrent, disgusting acts, most of them don't have a criminal history.
	Most of them don't have any negative check mark that could be discovered on a background check.
	So they have mental health issues per chance.
	Well, I do believe.
	I think I'm not an expert on this topic, but I do believe if you have some history of being committed to a psych ward, then you shouldn't, right?
	Well, my understanding is if you have been committed to a psych ward, I do believe I'm pointing in this general direction.
	I do believe that could preclude you from getting a firearm.
	Now, again, I'm not.
	Well, I think it does.
	So the law already, but again, this isn't my wheelhouse, so I don't know, like in each state what the laws are on this specific thing.
	But this idea that it's just like, you know what, one day you can just go to a gun shop and they just hand you a gun.
	In a lot of states, it's not the case.
	I don't know the details in every single state.
	In any case, though, do you think that if we were to get rid of guns entirely in this country, do you think that that would really solve any of the problems?
	Okay, I mean, if you were to suddenly say you can't buy a gun, like there's already so many guns in circulation that that wouldn't really do much.
	Like, yeah, yeah, so check this out.
	So somebody who owns guns, like, would you be in favor of the government rounding up everybody's guns, like by force, by the police?
	If, like, in a magical world, all guns in the city.
	In a real world.
	Okay, well, this isn't really possible, which is why I'm saying that.
	Well, Australia did it, for example.
	But would the government be effectively able to do that with the amount of guns that are in circulation?
	I don't really think so.
	Let's say they could effectively do it.
	Okay, so that was every single gun was in the government's possession right now.
	Well, not necessarily.
	People would obviously have issues with this, and probably some people would actually like have gunfights with the police trying to confiscate their guns.
	But you do agree it's possible, like it would be plausible for a government to send out even its army or law enforcement officers to confensate guns.
	Like they could do this.
	I don't believe in compromising like constitutional amendments.
	I think I take a lot of issue with that.
	Even though personally, when I think about the amendments, the Second Amendment, I think it's just like, it's just frustrating to me because, oh, you want to bury your guns?
	Wait, your refusal to get rid of the Second Amendment is, we can't separate that from the system that you've promoted.
	That's really harmful rhetoric.
	And you know what?
	Innocent children's lives, because of your refusal to just do away with the Second Amendment, it's on your hands.
	Innocent children's, you won't get rid of it.
	Again, I can have the take of believing in increased gun control measures without believing in getting rid of the Second Amendment.
	Because I'm trying to respect Republican values of wanting to uphold the Second Amendment while wanting to reduce the amount of gun deaths that happen in the United States.
	I love guns.
	Thank you for sharing that.
	Would you love them if they killed someone you loved and cared about?
	I've actually gone through that before, but I think it's the person who kills it.
	Yeah, it's not the gun.
	It's not the gun.
	It's not the gun with the deadly bullet and that's designed for murder.
	But you can kill someone with a bat.
	It's a person that had a gun.
	But their mental illness is causing it.
	But the whole point of the weapon is that it's designed for death right now.
	Of the person pulling the trigger.
	Whoa.
	Well, so really quick, though.
	You can go to the bathroom again.
	Just, yeah.
	I don't need to add it.
	It's okay.
	Just go that way.
	Here, we won't linger too long on the gun thing, really quick.
	But I guess we're talking about policy here.
	Putting that aside, practically speaking.
	But can I just say one more thought on that?
	I just want to hold on.
	Let me finish.
	No, no, no.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	This way, this way.
	We're good.
	We're good to go.
	We told you before the show.
	It's okay.
	We just don't want you banging into the cameras and stuff and tripping over wires.
	It's okay.
	It's okay.
	Okay, so.
	My question is.
	Can I say one thing?
	No, hold on, hold on.
	My turn.
	Okay.
	My turn.
	Go ahead.
	We've outlawed a variety of drugs in this country.
	Most hard drugs are completely outlawed.
	There's steep punishments for distributing them, steep punishments for owning them.
	You would agree, though, that despite robust laws, complete, not just, oh, you can go to the doctor and get a prescription for methane.
	No.
	It's completely outlawed.
	It's criminalized.
	You would agree that people can still obtain these drugs.
	And the vast majority of the time, despite it potentially landing you in prison or jail, people who are drug addicts quite easily possess drugs and hold onto them for periods of time and they never get caught and they consume the drugs.
	Yeah, and I think that's like the really complicated part about controlling drugs and controlling guns.
	They're so widely circulated.
	But my question then is, even if we had if we had an outright complete gun ban, my argument.
	Which I don't believe in, but right.
	But even if we did, and practically speaking, oh, I lost my guns in a boating trip.
	Like people, oh, the police come to try to take your gun.
	Sorry, I lost all of them.
	People aren't going to relinquish their guns.
	Which is why that's not a good solution.
	Right, and it just...
	I wish I had a very clear solution.
	It's a very complicated question.
	Right, right, right.
	But my position is, even if we were to implement everything that you say, which I didn't say, no, even not just what you say.
	Sorry, even if we implement things well beyond what you're willing to do as it relates to gun control, if we were to outright ban guns, how would this prevent people?
	Like you can make it, you could make it death penalty.
	You own a gun, you get the death penalty.
	That's how severe you could make the crime of owning a firearm.
	How would this ever stop somebody from getting a gun if they were sick enough in the head and motivated enough to get a gun?
	We know that people are motivated enough to get drugs.
	Trust me, if somebody wants to do a disgusting act, they have already abandoned humanity.
	They've already abandoned decency.
	It's gone.
	And so this idea that, and by the way, a lot of these times, sometimes we apprehend the shooters.
	Sometimes they unalive themselves after they've committed these horrific acts.
	Or, you know, there's somebody who takes them out.
	Right.
	They're prepared to die when they commit these crimes.
	So why would, even if it was that extreme, you get the death penalty if you own a gun.
	Why would that stop somebody who's prepared to die anyways and who's sick in the head?
	Why would it stop someone in countries where there are not the same rates of gun violence as America?
	Like, for example, if you look at, okay, sorry, that was like a very wordy sentence, but like other countries where gun death rates are not the same as America.
	There's sick people everywhere.
	There's sick people in, like, say, the UK, for example.
	The UK does not have the same rate of gun deaths and they have stricter gun control, right?
	So, like, what would stop the sick people in the UK?
	It's just like, I mean, they.
	If somebody is motivated enough in the UK or Australia, for example, where guns are outlawed, then they'll do that, right?
	Do you think people can't access guns illegally?
	They can, but I'm just.
	Sure, it makes it harder, but you're not even in favor of an outlaw.
	But they're not looking at the same rates of gun deaths as the U.S. is.
	They're not looking at the same rate of school shootings and all that.
	Sure, I suppose that makes sense.
	But my point would be that this most recent assassination, you think he wouldn't, like even he wouldn't be able to get a gun?
	I mean, I think that this kind of thing is more characteristic of America than it could be of other countries.
	And I think, I just think Charlie Kirk, like, again, this would happen to countless people throughout history: gun deaths, gun violence, school shootings.
	Charlie Kirk, he didn't really do anything to advocate against that, which is all I believe in, advocating for some kind of solution.
	I don't know the exact solution to cause less gun deaths from happening.
	So, is your position people who are pro-Second Amendment are more deserving of being killed because of their own?
	I don't understand the criticism then of Charlie Kirk.
	If it's just like, well, he was pro-Second Amendment.
	Okay.
	It's not that he was pro-Second Amendment.
	It's that he didn't really advocate against the school shootings and everything that would happen each year.
	He just kind of said, oh, it's just collateral.
	And I think writing it off as just collateral damage each year and drawing an equivalent to car deaths kind of, I think that was kind of dismissive and invalidating.
	But by no means does that justify him dying.
	Again, I know you're trying to like, you want me to say that, but again, I don't celebrate Charlie Kirk's death at all.
	What do you think about other people who celebrate his death?
	I think that's disgusting.
	And I think that you can't be against gun violence and then celebrate certain gun deaths.
	I think it's disgusting.
	I was just curious.
	Anybody else?
	Me and her have had quite a bit of background.
	Anybody else want to weigh in?
	Do you have any thoughts?
	Feedback?
	Yeah, any thoughts?
	Do you have any thoughts?
	Any thoughts?
	No?
	Go ahead, go ahead.
	It looks like you're hesitant.
	No, I really wasn't.
	Oh, okay.
	Gun violence is never justified.
	It's really like.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Is anybody like it was justified that he was assassinated?
	I feel like a lot of people.
	I don't think he was just violent assassinated.
	I don't think he was just violus assassinated.
	Assassinated.
	Wait, hold on.
	One sec.
	I apologize, guys.
	I gotta let some chats come through.
	Yo, Pasty, sorry for the delay.
	George Devil, $200.
	In short, CK was a puppet who denied the genocide going on in Gaza.
	Doesn't anyone realize that Israel owns and controls almost everything in the world?
	Why are they still getting USA funding?
	It's a good question.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're talking about Greta Thurnberg.
	She was abducted.
	She was tortured.
	Do you know what happened?
	Oh, my God.
	Greta Thurnberg.
	She was not tortured.
	She was like wrapped in the wisdom donated $200.
	Oh, my God.
	She cares about human life.
	Deport illegals, bare arms, fuck gingerly.
	Carly's lost.
	Make it great again.
	I'm a GI Bill student making college unwoke again.
	Fuck yeah, America.
	Saluting face emoji.
	That's so corny.
	There's a conspiracy theory about his death.
	Have you heard about it?
	I haven't heard about it yet.
	There's a bunch.
	There's a bunch.
	What's the main one, though?
	Chair one, you seem to see the truth and not what everyone else eats up without critical thought.
	A lot of people are acting like indoctrinated feminists for CK and not really looking at the evidence.
	All right.
	I'll take that compliment.
	I do try to get away from that.
	Everybody, look, people have different opinions on this.
	Pasty, by the way, Pasty, I sent you a DM on Discord.
	What the fuck?
	Respond to me, dude.
	200 bucks.
	We're going to set you up with something.
	There's some chats coming through.
	I'm going to have you read them.
	Okay?
	So you're just going to read them.
	As they pop up.
	Hold on.
	Yeah.
	Read this.
	I don't know if I want to read them.
	Okay, Shona, can you read them?
	Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.
	Zero people from Gaza.
	Two, zero people from Gaza should be allowed to come to America.
	Period.
	This is what I found on X. All right, Pasty George coming in here with the.
	Zero people from Gaza should be allowed to come to the U.S. is very like, that's not nice.
	Can you read this one?
	Here's more.
	Three.
	No, Israel is not starving Gazans.
	They are.
	The deaths of women and children in Gaza are the fault of Hamas, not Israel.
	There's more.
	Thank you, George.
	Thank you.
	He's doing my work for me.
	There's another one coming here.
	He said, all right, Pasty George is on, he's on roll there with some of the chats.
	George, oh my gosh.
	Just like the deaths in Japan during World War II were the fault of Japan, not America.
	When a government engages in unprovoked, murderous aggression, they are to blame for everything that results.
	Okay, George is on the right side of history.
	Okay.
	Charlie Kirk wasn't.
	R.I.P. Charlie Kirk.
	Hipper.
	Yeah, R.I.P., but his rhetoric starts.
	Do you think violence can ever be justified to achieve political aims?
	Are we talking about the death penalty?
	No, no.
	Then, no.
	Okay.
	We have another one if you can read this one.
	Ah, yes.
	Chair one wears a cross, is Hindu, and wants to defend Islam, even though a lot of the Quran calls for the unaliving of Christians and butterfly and tries to justify by misquoting Charlie.
	What a clown.
	Oh my gosh.
	I can't.
	How could I, as someone who is not Islam, defend another religion that has people who are not terrorists?
	A Hindu defending Islam while wearing a cross.
	Beculiar.
	Like I said, I have a multicultural perspective, guys.
	I don't think you need to be a certain religion to defend a certain person.
	Read this one.
	The UK gave up their guns and now they're subjugating people under essentially.
	They're not under Muslim rule.
	That's ridiculous.
	Crazy how that works.
	Okay.
	Again, they're not under Muslim rule.
	You need to read the news properly.
	That's crazy.
	I can take off the cross, though, if it's bothering people.
	Do you think you think I'm unreasonable with what I'm saying?
	Like, you can disagree with me.
	I disagree with you.
	I think you're being pretty.
	I'm trying to.
	I don't think you're being bad faith or anything like that.
	We have this one if you can read.
	Criminals won't give up their guns.
	Only the good Americans would give up their guns.
	And to read the rest.
	Charlie Kirk was a true patriot and American.
	I have a question for you.
	Do you think the one that came in previously about the UK, that UK gave up their guns and they're subjugated people?
	I don't know the full history of gun lawyers.
	They don't really have freedom of speech in the UK.
	I don't know about that.
	Yeah, you can just tweet something and it can be, you'll get arrested for having an opinion, basically.
	I don't know if that's necessarily true.
	I've been to the UK plenty of times.
	My dad's British.
	I don't think he's ever faced any kind of.
	I mean, not even him, but that's not something that happens in the UK.
	It's pretty democratic there.
	Entailment there would be every single person must be prosecuted of a sort of anti-free speech crime in order, like your argument is, well, my dad's from the UK.
	He's never been arrested.
	Okay, no, no, again, I'm not trying to generalize, like, specifically talk about him.
	I don't believe it's the case that you can't say what you believe in in the UK.
	I don't believe that's true.
	Could I put my two cents in about the UK?
	Didn't they recently ban porn?
	Oh, did they?
	There was some, no, it's not outright bans, but I think there's some age.
	You have to be over a certain age to access it, but there's a whole bunch of workarounds or some shit.
	But as far as it goes to the UK, do you think it would be racist for England to not want robust immigration to their country?
	Absolutely not.
	Well, thank you.
	Sorry, I know you were talking to them, but I was giving myself a single thing.
	When you say robust immigration, do you mean legal immigration?
	Would it be racist?
	But let's say, how about this?
	I don't think it's racist.
	Do you want England to remain English?
	And not having, like, even like through legal process, like other nationalities.
	I mean, I suppose the country could allow some degree of legal immigration, but they might just say, you know what, we don't want to take in people from, it could be, it doesn't have to, you know, could be African countries, it could be Middle Eastern countries.
	We don't want to take in people from these countries.
	Do you think that that's problematic?
	I think I would have to look at the reasoning behind that because it could be a thing of like, oh, white nationalist English, we want this like one identity in our country.
	Is that wrong?
	Is that wrong, though?
	I think that's very, I think that's wrong.
	I think that's kind of racist.
	I think if you looked at it in a way where it's like, oh, a lot of illegal or even legal immigration is like disrupting like other things like the economy or anything like that, then I think, I mean, that's like more complicated, but that's not necessarily racist.
	I see.
	What about, for example?
	I think white nationalism is kind of racist, but yeah.
	What about Japanese nationalism?
	Oh, yeah.
	Japan during like World War II?
	No, no, no, no.
	So what I'm talking about is, like, you realize that the majority of people who live in Japan, they're an ethnic group.
	They're Japanese.
	Right.
	Right.
	So would if the Japanese, through their majority political will, said, we want to keep Japan Japanese, ethnically Japanese, we don't want to allow in immigrants.
	That's bad.
	I think that that's bad.
	So every single country ought to allow in immigrants and they should lose their ethnicity, essentially.
	I don't think, like, when it comes to legal immigration, when it comes to, like, what, like, like, who we should accept legally, I don't think you should start discriminating based on ethnicity and race.
	Well, let's say the Japanese, it wasn't like, well, you know what?
	We're going to let in other, you know, Asians, we're going to let in whites, but we won't let in, you know, these other people.
	They were just like, you know what?
	Nobody can come in.
	We don't, we want to keep, I mean, obviously tourism's okay, right?
	We want to keep Japan Japanese.
	Is that wrong for the Japanese people to want that?
	I think it's kind of, I don't think it's the best thing.
	I don't think it would benefit Japan.
	Like there's clearly, like, there's a lot of people who go to study in Japan who like work in Japan, like expats.
	And I think, like, I think people from other countries can bring a lot to Japan.
	So I don't think it's a good thing.
	I don't know.
	I don't believe in like this whole like ethnocension.
	What's wrong with Japan as it is?
	Nothing's wrong.
	And with their own culture and their own people.
	What's wrong with them that they're failing?
	Nothing's wrong with Japan actually.
	But you said it would be bad to exclude what these other people are bringing.
	That would indicate some sort of failing amongst the Japanese populace.
	That's definitely not what I said.
	Again, what I'm sounds like it, but okay.
	Okay, what I'm saying that I don't agree with is this stance of, okay, when it comes to who we want to allow in our country, we're going to start discriminating based on ethnicity, based on race, based on like identity things, things to do with that.
	Like, we have certain metrics in the U.S. of like who is allowed in legally.
	Like, you look at what you're contributing to this country, what kind of job you have.
	My family's had to go through the whole process.
	Like, those are not based on your ethnicity, your race, anything to do with your identity.
	Those are reasonable, right?
	Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
	If you're discriminating based on ethnicity or identity, then I don't agree with it.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Well, I think the United States is different insofar as because there's so many different populations that have been in the United States.
	But I'm speaking specifically about Japan.
	The Japanese, they are their own ethnicity, right?
	And so Japan is not purely Japanese.
	Well, sure, yeah, there are some people that have moved there.
	But like, I don't think, for example, if I went through the process and moved to Japan and I even became a citizen, I'm not even sure if that's even possible, really.
	It probably is.
	There's people who there's people who like live there long term can move there.
	I don't know.
	I think they can gain citizenship.
	Can you?
	In any case, even if I've been there for 20 years and I do gain citizenship, am I Japanese?
	If you've lived there for 20 years, like you've really assimilated into your life there and the culture there and everything, and you have a job there, and it's like your nationality now, then yeah, to a degree.
	But I don't think I'm Japanese.
	I mean, I would kind of consider myself American.
	I'm not like ethnically a white American or an indigenous American, an Indigenous American.
	So again, I don't think it depends on your identity.
	What do you call it when a bunch of white people go to Asian countries or African countries and they want to take the jobs there?
	They want to start owning lands there.
	They want to dictate into that culture.
	They want to bring their culture to that culture.
	What do you call that when white people do that?
	Well, you just mentioned like business ventures and now you're talking about culture.
	Well, you said like, oh, they want to own land there?
	You want to own that?
	Well, wouldn't you?
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's not bringing your culture there, is it?
	Well, these are all separate things.
	But my question is: when white people go to various countries all over the world, what would you call that historically?
	I think you're okay.
	Like, okay, if you're talking specifically, like in this case about like a white person like pursuing a business venture in Japan, I think that's just somewhat.
	But let's say there's a lot of white people that were going to these countries.
	Okay, if they start like if they start conquesting the country and like overriding the government and treating the people badly, then that would be colonization, but that's not what you said earlier.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	But do you have any issue with if there was like, you know, say, I'm trying to think of a small country with a small population I can reference.
	If like the populace of an African country became 25% white that would mean like a huge large-scale influx of immigration.
	And I think you could cap that for other reasons because that would probably be so disruptive to the country in so many other ways.
	You know, getting more into their politics and wanting to be elected and wanted certain protections for themselves.
	Okay, well, again, any huge influx of like a group immigrating to another country would cause like repercussions for that country.
	I think people would call that colonialism when white people go to.
	If they started like taking over and like overriding the government and like the people there and treating them badly, then that would be like colonists.
	Okay.
	So, what you see currently, for example, like skyrocketed and branched out from me purely saying that I don't think we should discriminate against immigrants based on their identity.
	That's all I said.
	And now it's like it's gone way beyond that.
	Well, I'm responding to the super chat that mentioned the UK.
	And so, for example, you said your dad's from British.
	He's from well, he works in London, but he's from a different part of the UK.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, my position is that the British people have lost their capital.
	So, I don't keep up much with British politics.
	You may have to clarify.
	As somebody who's traveled recently, I've been to Amsterdam, so forth.
	It's fine.
	I've seen these countries firsthand.
	Aren't they beautiful?
	They don't look much like how they looked like 20, 30 years ago.
	But I mean, it's plausible that with all the immigration that's coming in, and not just the immigration, you know, there's a whole bunch of reasons for this.
	But for example, I guess I would call them like native-born people in these countries.
	So, actual like British people.
	Birth rate super low.
	Immigrant populations, they're having six, seven, eight children, right?
	So, what are we going to see in 30, 40, 50 years, 100 years in a lot of these European countries where there really isn't a coherent national identity, and these countries are basically become Muslim countries?
	You think in 30 years, European countries?
	Perhaps not in 30 years, but you said 20, 30 years now.
	Well, there's going to be a trend.
	I think that people have immigrated to the UK, to the U.S. for a long time now, and it's not really become an issue, and it's not defined long time.
	This is really a pretty recent thing starting in the 2000s.
	There was obviously immigration in the 70s, 80s, 90s, but for the vast majority of human history, Germany, France, England, Scandinavia, all these countries, they've been white countries.
	Now, you might say, Brian, this is a bit racist.
	I would point out.
	I would point out, though, that white people globally are a minority.
	So, there are like statistically, like if we compare all of 8 billion people, white people are a minority.
	Sure.
	There's more.
	Isn't in that, like in that same sense, like, isn't every race kind of a minority?
	Because Chinese people, that's 1 billion out of 8 billion.
	So, that's like the minority of people, right?
	Like, what's the logic in saying that?
	So, it'd be the total number of all the people that belong to that race.
	So, my understanding is white people are the there's the least amount of white people if you compare them to black people, Asian people, like what would be by a huge margin?
	Or, like, I don't think by a huge margin there's the least amount of white people.
	I don't know.
	Can we find Nick find the stats?
	Find the stats.
	I guess my position would be if various African countries were to say, or Asian countries were to say, we want our country, we don't want to allow immigration from these other countries, whether it's if you're an African country, you say, We don't want a bunch of white people coming here.
	I'm that's I think that that's fine.
	I don't see a problem there.
	Or if you're Japan and you're like, We don't want to let in these other immigrants, we want to remain Japanese to maintain our ethnicity.
	I don't actually see a problem with that.
	I actually think it would be racist if we said, as this global population, we had to imprint our views and dictate to the Japanese people how they ought to govern their country.
	I think that that would be racist and for us to say, you need to do away with the Japanese ethnicity and have this homogenous, you know, fucking Waysian, Blaysian, just fucking mix it up.
	And then the Japanese ethnicity is completely diluted.
	I think your argument that I can see a little bit is like, okay, the ethnic national identity is still important to the country and should be preserved to some degree.
	So I think where our viewpoints can kind of coalesce there, where we could maybe both see eye to eye is like, okay, you can have your cap of legal immigration.
	We want to let this many in per year.
	And then like within that, you don't discriminate based on ethnicity and identity, right?
	So you can say, we only want this amount of people coming into our country per year in order to preserve like our national identity, our economy, or whatever it is.
	But then within those, within however many people they're letting in per year, they don't start being discriminatory and prejudiced.
	That's what I, that's where I think we could maybe.
	I mean, okay.
	Okay, that's, see, that's a win.
	But this, I mean, see, I'm trying to like get together.
	I honestly think the United States is, there are valid issues and criticisms, you know, of how society is.
	But like, you go to almost any other country and like the racism there is robust.
	Oh, totally, yeah.
	Like, it's insane.
	Like, you think the U.S. is bad?
	Like, I'm, I'm not, this isn't really.
	Did I ever say that I think the U.S. is the most racist country?
	Oh, heck yeah.
	There's certainly racism in the U.S., but I'm not trying to do like a race.
	Like, Japanese people, they're racist against other people.
	Yeah, Indians are super racist to like Chinese people, black people.
	African countries.
	I don't know.
	I have an Indian mother and a white father.
	Was it within Rwanda?
	Well, maybe that was more a little bit religion-based with the, whatever.
	Was it like the Sunni and the Shiite or whatever?
	I don't fucking know.
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Sure, all countries have a lot of racism and there's some with more than others.
	Sure.
	But like, for example, like, I think about Sweden.
	I think about Norway.
	I don't actually see the problem with them.
	And they've brought in a ton of immigrants.
	Right.
	I don't actually see the problem with them saying, you know what, we want to maintain like our Scandinavian national identity and heritage.
	We don't want to bring in any more immigrants.
	I don't actually see a problem with that in the same way that I don't see a problem with if African countries don't want to bring in other ethnicities.
	I don't see if you're completely completely capping immigration like that.
	That's one thing.
	But then if you're having a certain amount of immigration and you're like, again, you're picking and choosing and you're discriminating and you're being prejudiced, kind of, then that's where I take issue, right?
	And I think when you look at the U.S., which is not like ethnically like one single ethnicity, right?
	Then to suddenly be discriminatory has a lot different implications because we are not just one ethnicity.
	Like the United States, to quote Charlie Kirk, is a propositional nation.
	So it's not strictly just white people, you know?
	Right.
	So I think the implications of being discriminatory against certain types of immigrants here is a lot worse.
	Well, no, I think just you could be against immigration across the board.
	It wouldn't have to necessarily be at all related to race.
	You could just be against it.
	You could be, yeah.
	But I mean, I don't agree with that stance either for separate reasons.
	I think immigrants, they do bring a lot into the country when it is optimized.
	But that is a separate point.
	And that's not necessarily as white nationalist if you don't agree with immigration.
	Well, I could debate you on that, but I feel like we can't.
	I want to let these other girls have a chance to talk.
	We've gone through.
	So, okay, here, we have some chats coming through.
	You know, it's fun though.
	I like that.
	Hold on.
	You get to read these for me, please.
	Oh, God.
	At least 12 Sharia courts in the UK.
	Sharia courts.
	Okay.
	Muslim mayor after Muslim mayor.
	I don't see that as any different than Christian mayor after Christian mayor.
	Okay, sorry.
	And more and more draconian behavior by the police.
	But sure, they aren't a defeated people.
	You want to talk about draconian behavior by the police?
	Look at this country.
	And also, I don't see how the religion of a mayor is at all relevant to their job as a mayor, so long as they're not completely dictating their political views and what they're doing based on the religion.
	Really quick, what's draconian about the police in the United States?
	Police brutality, perhaps.
	I acknowledge that that would occur, but is there widespread?
	Like, is this policy in the departments?
	I'm not saying majority of police commit police brutality, but in instances of police brutality, which are not like, there's more than one case of that occurring.
	There's a lot of cases.
	I think that is draconian when they're not following protocol.
	And like Sonia Massey was a woman who got shot in the head when she when she was holding up a pot of boiling water to check on if it was cooking.
	She got shot.
	Yeah, I saw that video.
	That was pretty disgusting, right?
	A clear example of police misconduct.
	Right.
	And an unjustified calling that draconian.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I'm on board with you.
	There are absolutely instances of unjustified police killings, police brutality.
	There's no dispute there.
	Yeah, sure.
	But across the board, draconian police practices and laws, I'm not so sure.
	I'm not so sure either, but I'm talking about in cases where they're not.
	I'm talking about in cases where police are not following protocol, which again are not like one off standalone events.
	There's many standalone events.
	Yeah, and I would join you.
	Do you agree with me?
	I would join you in condemning instances of police brutality or police overextending.
	Right.
	So I'm kind of calling that draconian, but okay, anyway.
	I'll happily bite the bullet on this one.
	No one, not on should we discriminate based on ethnicity and culture of immigrants.
	We have a duty to.
	Each nation has a duty to maintain cultural cohesion.
	So I guess this person just believes in like complete ethnic nationalism for every country.
	No immigration, no diversity, nothing of that sort.
	Cultures should not even interact with each other, probably, according to this person.
	I mean, I'm not even really on immigration.
	I'm not really interested in that.
	I wouldn't be here.
	It would just be, it would just be like the three white people here, according to this person.
	Well, I'm not, I'm more so interested.
	Like, there's much more compelling arguments, at least in the United States, as it relates to immigration.
	And I would argue, really, even for Japan, for example.
	Right.
	It's not even an ethnic argument.
	That's like way down the list.
	Like, whatever.
	It's more so, what are the impacts of immigration?
	And other impacts, aside from ethnicity, like I completely agree with you there.
	Like, even in the U.S., I think when you have like complete unchartered, whatever, like, let's let everyone in, that has adverse consequences for sure that we could both agree on, right?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	It's definitely adverse.
	Yes.
	That's why I'm kind of moderate when it comes to certain people.
	Can I have you read this one for me?
	I live in Minnesota and I've witnessed the lack of assimilation from the Somali people.
	We had the most.
	It's become the paradox of tolerance and they don't assimilate and it's a problem for both sides.
	I mean, I don't know much about like Somali people immigrating into Minnesota, but my guess is that they're refugees of some sort.
	And I would assume that their situation in Minnesota is probably better than their situation back in Somalia, right?
	Yeah, probably.
	Probably.
	So I don't think it's bad for Somali people to be safer than wherever they were before, because Somalia is not a very safe country.
	Well, in that case, wouldn't the entailment of your position be we should transplant the entire population of Somalia into the United States?
	I know.
	That's a very...
	Well, why not?
	It would be better here.
	Because again, like a huge influx of immigration from any given group is obviously like it's hard to accommodate a huge amount of people just like that, right?
	I think, I mean, I really, like, I wish there was like a way to like help as many refugees as possible.
	And I mean, it's hard, though, because there's not always the space for that, right?
	So like in a controlled manner, then I hope that we could help out more Somali refugees, of course.
	I mean, I would also point out that while there are refugees who are genuinely fleeing some sort of persecution or something like that, a lot of immigrants, they're actually just economic immigrants.
	Okay.
	They're just a lot of people.
	I think people, they want to move on from this topic in the chat.
	Yeah, probably.
	Right.
	Probably.
	I'm not trying to drag it on.
	I want to let everyone else have a chance to speak.
	We have some chats, though, coming through.
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	A lot of countries have a birth rate crisis and a work of shortage, so everyone better get used to immigrants for a while.
	Okay.
	I mean, I think there's a dress, you can address like birth rate crisis stuff without necessarily resorting to immigration for it.
	Thank you for the message, though.
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	Hold on, we have some other chats, too, coming in.
	Hold on.
	And then, yo, Diego, did that come through?
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	Hold on.
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	Then we have super chats.
	You guys are sending in a bunch, so we're going to get it back to dating here in just a sec, guys.
	We should, yeah.
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	Got a little political there for a bit, but I'm sure I've pissed off the entire panel talking about politics here.
	Sorry, guys.
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	Blame Sean.
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	It's all her fault.
	We already saw that.
	I had to wait three months to get my handgun.
	Oh, can you read these?
	You'll be reading these.
	In Washington, I had to wait three months to get my handgun after FBI and ATF checks.
	A criminal can rob a house and have a gun in one hour.
	How's your gun control working for you?
	I think that means that we need more effective gun control methods if it didn't work for some criminal.
	Again, you can just obtain it illegally.
	Well, then more should be done so that people can't obtain it illegally.
	Your solutions are to legal protections in place.
	But illegal would suggest that, regardless of what the R's are, excuse me, regardless of what the laws are, it wouldn't prevent somebody from getting a gun.
	And I hope there's a solution.
	Are we having a muck thing?
	Can we?
	Okay.
	Read this for me, please.
	Thank you.
	I can't wait to annihilate Andrew Wilson in the debate November 10th on your channel.
	Keep making a difference, Brian.
	You're legendary.
	Holy glaze.
	Okay.
	Yeah, just lean back a little bit just while you're chewing.
	Andrew Wilson says some crazy things.
	Roma Army, thank you.
	I'm going to stay neutral on that.
	But thank you for the super chat.
	Appreciate it.
	We will be having you guys do a debate.
	We have this.
	Oh, God.
	Chair One.
	Do you think it's right that the government is giving immigrants $3,000 a month in free money and free phones, but we can't help homeless Americans and veterans living on the streets?
	I think that means we should do more to help homeless Americans and veterans living on the streets.
	Or what if we just redirected all that money to the homeless?
	Why don't we redirect the money we're sending Israel every year?
	The 18 billion we sent them last year.
	Sorry.
	That's my response.
	We don't have to give it away.
	I mean, that's a great what aboutism.
	But it's yeah, it's a completely different thing.
	But if we're taught, like that sort of help that the greater relation here is that the sort of help that we're providing to immigrants, it's the exact same help that could be going to homeless people.
	So like homeless people in the America, we can't like send them ballistic missiles.
	Like we can't give homeless people ballistic missiles and all this other sort of like firearms and shit.
	I guess you could give homeless people firearms if you like if you wanted some entertainment like bump fights or whatever, that shit would be fucking lit.
	But the aid that we're giving to Israel doesn't align with like what we could, the actual similarities that we could be providing to homeless people.
	Also, I don't believe all immigrants are just getting $3,000 a month.
	I'm an immigrant.
	My family's not getting that.
	Is this like every single person who's immigrants?
	Hold on.
	You were born in, do you have United States citizenship or no?
	No, I have a green card.
	Okay.
	I think typically when we're talking about immigrants receiving payments, we're talking about like just arrived and you have your green card.
	So yeah.
	Okay, regardless, I still think my response to that, this person clearly thinks more should be done for veterans and homeless Americans.
	I also agree that more should be done.
	And the U.S. does have the resources and money to help homeless people and veterans.
	Okay.
	Can you read this one?
	Each country is allowed to police the standards they want for their country, whether it's religion, politics, EDC.
	Otherwise, there's nothing but a colonial mindset.
	Good times.
	Thank you.
	I don't think you should push things that have to do with religion and identity too much as a democratic government.
	What about in countries where they do have like a theological rule?
	I mean, like, ultimately, I can't see everything from like an American perspective.
	Like, there are other countries that have their own history and ways of doing things that I can't necessarily disrespect.
	So I guess in those cases, then that could potentially be true.
	But when talking about the U.S., I don't think that should dominate the government and the way that he thinks.
	Can I ask you a question?
	If I wanted to move to Mexico and live there, and I overstayed my visa, whatever, because I don't know, the cost of living there is like super cheap and there's like really beautiful, there's really beautiful places in Mexico, fantastic beach towns, et cetera, et cetera.
	Would you have an issue if Mexico deported me?
	If you overstayed your visa?
	Yeah.
	No, but I want to stay there.
	But then you have to go through the legal process of staying there then.
	Okay, so just to be clear, then you're in favor of deporting all illegal immigrants in this country?
	Not into throwing them into like that prison in El Salvador with deadly gang members.
	I'm not a fan of the methods that ICE has been using to deport them.
	I think most people are not receiving that sort of treatment or whatever.
	I don't think that's a good idea.
	A lot too many of them detailed.
	Are they from El Salvador?
	Then we should probably deport them to El Salvador.
	No, no, no.
	But people in the U.S. who, like, they've overstayed.
	But should we deport people who are here illegally?
	I think that's a very complicated question.
	But hold on.
	Why should if I go to Mexico and I'm there illegally, why don't you have a prescriptive take on the Mexican government against deporting me?
	Now, if you had said that you have your whole life in Mexico for a long time and you have kids there.
	I've moved there.
	Right.
	You have like kids there.
	You have grandkids there.
	I can buy a fucking burrito for $1.
	You have a whole family.
	I fucking love it in Mexico.
	You have a whole family.
	She is beautiful.
	No, no, not just like your enjoyment.
	Like you have family there.
	You have a life settled into there.
	Do I think you should suddenly be thrown out the way ICE throws out?
	So to be clear, what's your threshold for like if they've been here under a year, you're fine with them being deported?
	It's hard to draw a line there, but my overall take away.
	Okay, then I shouldn't be deported from Mexico then.
	If you've just got, like, you've overstayed your visa for six months?
	That's not.
	Yeah, I flew there and I was like, you know what?
	Mexico's fucking dope.
	I'm just, I'm going to stay there.
	Fuck the Mexican laws.
	Fuck their laws.
	I don't give a shit.
	I think you can be ethically deported.
	What's that?
	I think in that case, you can be ethically deported and not.
	So why wouldn't that be the case of people who've been here for six months?
	Who've been here in the U.S. for six months?
	Yeah, who came here illegally, whether it's crossing the border or they overstayed their visa or whatever.
	So what has happened to people in the U.S. who are like, okay, I'll go ahead and grant that, sure, there's been like bad things that have happened.
	I don't think it's the majority of the people.
	Should they be deported?
	Have you heard of the prison in El Salvador?
	It's called Sikot, and it's like this prison where they throw deadly, like gang members who have killed like 30 people in El Salvador, like tatted, like dangerous people.
	They're throwing people who've overstayed their visitors.
	Okay, so you think like somebody, like a Canadian who's overstayed their welcome here gets deported to El Salvador?
	People that have, yes.
	You have to look into it.
	Canadians have been deported to El Salvador.
	No, because, you know why?
	Because, well, no, no, not really.
	Because there's not.
	So the Canadian immigration deported to El Salvador.
	Mexican, Mexican immigrants.
	El Salvadorians?
	There are many different ethnicities.
	They're not necessarily El Salvadorian at all.
	There's no relationship.
	Is it possible that mix-ups can occur?
	It's not a mix-up.
	It doesn't matter.
	No, there's not robust, just we don't give a fuck your country of origin.
	We'll throw you there anyway.
	That's what it is.
	No.
	Whether, yes, someone pulled out.
	Also, that prison has very limited, like it has a limited population.
	It's already full of not even immigrants, people in El Salvador who have committed crimes.
	Okay, Trump is trying to put anyone who is like.
	Okay, how many illegal immigrants are in this country?
	I don't know.
	How many of them have been deported to El Salvadorian prisons?
	I'm not saying all of them.
	Even if there was a thousand people, answer my central point.
	Should illegal immigrants in this country be deported?
	Not the way ICE has been doing it.
	And not in ripping people away from their families and throwing them to like a bus and taking them back.
	Okay, so what should back to like a dangerous situation because they saw one tattoo on them that was maybe connected to a gang?
	Okay, great.
	But then maybe it wasn't even connected.
	One example, and I think there's actually robust evidence he was gang-affiliated.
	In any case, I'm asking, look, if I go to Mexico, you seem to agree that the Mexican government has the authority to, I overstay my visa.
	I'm like, no, I want to stay.
	And who knows?
	Maybe I knock up a little senorita while I'm there.
	I knock her up.
	I got a little mama sita baby mama in Mexico.
	You have a family there.
	You have Charlie Regina.
	You got a Buddy Latina kicking it in Mexico.
	And I got a family.
	Then I don't think you should suddenly just be thrown out.
	And look, my solution to that to Capital is like, look, look, my solution is preventing.
	I need to just fuck a Mexican woman, get her pregnant, and then I can stay in Mexico.
	That's your sign, yeah.
	Anyways, to kind of like to make this more concise, what I think the ultimate solution when it comes to illegal immigration to do is to prevent it in the first place with like secure borders and control in that regard.
	Okay.
	Rather than having to like throw and rip apart families the way ICA has been doing it, because I don't believe in that.
	I hope that how would you want them to do it?
	Like, these people are clearly resisting.
	They're here in the country illegally.
	That's a crime.
	So people who have families and who are now law-abiding and have jobs here because they came here illegally.
	So can I just move to Japan?
	Like Japan's super dope.
	Can I just move to Japan and just say fuck you to their laws?
	You mean like not following their laws, breaking laws there?
	No, no, I can be law-abiding, but they have immigration laws in Japan.
	Can I just say, you know what?
	Fuck the laws that the will of the people of Japan have determined they want for their country.
	Can I just move there and be like, you know what?
	Yo, Japan's fucking dope.
	Can I just kick, stay in Japan?
	I don't think that's right of you if you did that.
	I don't agree with that.
	Okay, so is it wrong for people who are here illegally to do what they're doing?
	Again, I would rather them.
	Okay, sure.
	Right?
	I don't think people should immigrate illegally.
	And so is it within that?
	I believe that there should not be bad treatment of people once.
	I agree with you.
	Right.
	And I don't believe in how ISA's treated people who have immigrated here, whether it be illegally right.
	I totally agree.
	But if you start with that.
	You agree that ISA is treating people badly?
	There's probably exactly.
	No, no, no, hold on.
	I agree with you that they, hold on.
	No.
	I agree with you that if you're under arrest, you're owed certain, whether you're a citizen or an immigrant, you're owed certain protections.
	We obviously can't police brutality immigrants.
	However, if you're going to resist arrest, then the police, like, if I, if I, a cop is trying to arrest me for, I don't know, pimping or something.
	I don't know what the fuck.
	He's trying to, a cop is trying to arrest me and I resist arrest.
	Police have authority to use an escalation of force to secure my arrest.
	And I don't know what else to tell you.
	Like, do you expect cops to just be like, please, will you please come?
	No.
	The cops are going to use the necessary force to secure the arrest.
	So.
	I don't think great measures of force should be used on people who are like a mother who like is being torn apart from her family.
	Well, is she resisting arrest?
	In which case they're going to...
	When someone has their whole life set up in America, I don't think that should suddenly be just disregarded.
	Okay, but then.
	Because suddenly you're not treating.
	I believe the overall principle of the government and our leadership is that we should be treating people right and we should look out for the betterment of society.
	And when you have so many immigrants in the U.S., I don't think you can suddenly turn around and treat them badly because they broke a law.
	Again, Mike's take on immigration is that we should prevent illegal immigration in the first place so that eventually we don't have to do this to them and we don't have to rip them up.
	So you're in favor of like robust order.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	You believe like build the wall.
	Like, I don't understand how clearly illegal immigrants get into the country, and it's extremely difficult to prevent it at the border.
	But people can be apprehended once they're already into the country.
	I hope they can be apprehended as soon as possible.
	So, what's happening to people doesn't happen in the future.
	Okay, so you're just saying we should reward the people that are the most sneakiest, I guess.
	I mean, I don't understand.
	I'm saying we shouldn't rip families apart and throw them into vans and then just send them to like a dangerous situation.
	They should come here legally.
	Well, then there's processes to do that.
	And then that wouldn't happen.
	Processes that are maybe more ethical than what's being done?
	Sure.
	But not what's being done.
	I'm sorry, like, is my argument that like tiring to you?
	My whole family came from Colombia.
	So, like, my mom is from Colombia.
	She was born there.
	And they were all able to do the proper things to become legal.
	I don't think it's that.
	All you have to do is attest.
	Come here legally.
	Like, you just become legal.
	Yeah, like, it is a lot of money, but all you have to do is attest.
	It's so easy to gain legal status in the U.S.
	So I'm just saying this.
	Exactly.
	It's so easy.
	If sarcastic.
	For example, local jurisdiction, if the Santa Barbara County Sheriff can, like, enthusiastically pursue charging college students with minor possession of alcohol, and trust me, they robustly out there, like specifically out there to catch some like naive 18-year-old holding a white clock.
	Oh, tell me about it.
	And they want, and they the district attorney's office fucking loves getting that fine money from 18-year-olds who had a fucking can, like a can of beer.
	If they can enforce that, then yeah, I think we can enforce our immigration laws.
	And I don't know.
	In better ways than what's being done?
	Sure.
	Hopefully.
	I wish.
	Okay.
	In any case.
	I just want, I want to, again, I don't believe people should just come in here like unchartered.
	And I would rather people be prevented from coming in the first place.
	I just want people to be, like, if they have a whole family here, whether or not they immigrated legally or not, that they should be treated better than how they are.
	I guess— Again, I want to give all the other girls a chance.
	Yeah, yeah, final thing on the immigration thing.
	So my understanding is, Nick, remember that, can you Google the, I think it's the Mexican Constitution.
	You can't protest unless you're a citizen.
	Can you, where's Nick?
	That's bad, by the way.
	I don't believe in that.
	Also, everyone should have the right to say that.
	For example, you would agree that there are expats, like ex-U.S. citizens that live in Mexico.
	Sure, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so let's say there are probably illegal immigrants living in Mexico.
	Like people who just went to Mexico, they're American and they just stayed, right?
	Right.
	Imagine if there was a bunch of like Americans in Mexico rioting in the streets about Mexico deporting Americans.
	Do you think that, like, you think that would go over well?
	And do you think like Mexican citizens would like also join and be like, no, keep the Americans?
	Okay, wait, sorry.
	Can you say that again?
	Well, so there's a law.
	I believe it's in the Mexican.
	Do you have it, Mary?
	Yeah, can you pull it up?
	If there are lots of American immigrants in Mexico, in Mexico, foreigners are legally prohibited from participating in political protests and risk detention and deportation under Article 33 of the Mexican.
	So you can't even protest, right?
	You said rioting just now.
	I don't believe, I think there's a difference between rioting and protesting peacefully.
	So if these people are peacefully protesting about whatever they believe in.
	If you're in Mexico and you're peacefully protesting, but you're not a citizen, they're just going to deport you.
	So even if you're not.
	That's kind of bad.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that.
	All right.
	Why is the criticism always towards the United States and not towards other countries who have way harsher punishments?
	I don't agree with if Mexico says that you can't peacefully protest if you're from another country, then I criticize that.
	And I have plenty of criticisms for many other countries.
	I think it's fine, actually.
	I criticize, like, I would criticize any country.
	Why should you be?
	It's a privilege to be visiting a country.
	It's a privilege to be a tourist somewhere.
	You should, while you're a tourist somewhere, I don't think you should involve yourself in the political happenings of that country.
	If it's a democratic country, then you have the right to, though.
	So I don't think democracy doesn't pick and choose just because you're a tourist there.
	Well, citizens are afforded more civil liberties and protections, typically.
	I have my two cents.
	So like, what if you literally have a birthright trip to Israel?
	Yeah.
	Wait, what?
	Like, what if you have a birthright trip to Israel?
	Like, despite the whole thing that's going on between Gaza and yeah, many people do.
	Yeah, like the birthright trip.
	Yeah.
	What about it?
	Like, do you think that's still insensitive to still go, despite all the shit that's happening?
	I don't see how it, I'm not understanding the point you're trying to make.
	No, because I'm just like, yes, I guess it's a birthright trip and everything, but it's a fact that there's a whole genocide and there's a whole war going on, but you're still choosing to go to Israel.
	I don't see how that correlates to what we're talking about.
	Yeah.
	Wait, but I do have something to say.
	I feel like the United States is literally like one of the easiest places to get, like, to be legal.
	And like, it shouldn't be easy to become legal in another country.
	You should know about the country.
	And that's the test they take.
	And like a lot of people were capable of doing it.
	So I don't think it's that hard to become legal.
	We have some chats coming through here.
	Can you read this one for us?
	They don't assimilate, though they are trying to change our ways into their ways.
	And they're rude to us.
	Even my left-wing mom hates it.
	I don't think immigrants are going up to American citizens and telling them to subscribe to their beliefs and their culture.
	I think most of them are trying to just make a living for themselves and raise their kids properly.
	Okay.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	This man has money to spend.
	Middle Eastern immigrants get wage subsidies from the government to encourage businesses to hire them.
	Many of them also get grants to start businesses, which are very hard to get.
	Thank you, Pacey George.
	He has three more in a row coming.
	Sorry for the delay on these, brother.
	Oh my God.
	By the way, Pacey George, I'm going to hook you up with a special TTS noise.
	But you got to respond to me on Instagram, okay?
	Special TTS noise.
	Guys, read 100 TTS 200.
	Pacity George donated $200.
	There's a reason why many immigrants are coming from the Middle East to countries like Canada, America, Britain, etc.
	But nobody seems to notice or think critically about it.
	Everyone just reacts.
	Maybe because they're trying to flee dangerous situations, not because they're trying to take over and rule other countries.
	You know what?
	I'd be open to investing in these other countries to build up these other countries.
	Me too.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	It's very unfortunate that ICE is breaking up families in America, but that is the only way right now to deal with illegal immigrants.
	They can't all detain them, and America is already in high debt.
	I'm glad you think it's unfortunate.
	It's very unfortunate.
	No, continue.
	I was like, what does death have to do with breaking up families?
	Scoot the mic to the edge of the table.
	No, just don't touch the mic.
	George just scooted to the edge of the table.
	A lot of the corporations, companies, and businesses in America were taking advantage of illegal immigrants and saving on taxes by paying them lower wages and giving them zero benefits.
	True.
	True.
	All right.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	We have Mr. Bassman.
	You're going to read this one once it's come up, once it comes up.
	Guys, read is 100, TTS 200.
	Get it in if you'd like.
	We're going to, guys, we're going to get to dating.
	We're going to get to dating, okay?
	No, I feel bad.
	I blame Sean.
	I blame him.
	You keep asking me these drawn-out hypotheticals, and I just have to answer them.
	It's all your fault.
	Okay, do I read it?
	All your fault.
	Oh, yes, read it.
	Brian, you must render a most severe.
	Here, I'll pull it back up.
	Look, I've been trying to move the conversation too.
	It's okay, it's okay.
	We're good.
	Go ahead, read it.
	You must render a most severe rebuke to your chat.
	There's a disturbing amount of simping.
	Disgusting/slash/unacceptable.
	Likewise, I hereby rebuke you for being a Mac with big ears chair one zippet idiot.
	Okay.
	You just spent $100 to say something to me.
	So I feel like you look at it.
	Rebuked.
	I rebuke the chat, I guess.
	Let's see here.
	Okay, we'll do those later.
	All right.
	And then we have the soup chat here from Pelagic.
	Let me have you read this one.
	Oh, God.
	The fantasy land she lives in was created by the very things she loathes.
	Men fighting with guns for freedom.
	We live in the good times on the precipice of the downturn.
	Pelagic, thank you for the soup chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Guys, if you want to get your own message in, read is 100.
	We do those in batches, and then TTS gets priority.
	That's 200 for TTS.
	That's streamlabs.com/slash whatever.
	Only streamlabs.
	I don't think men with guns gave me access to education and things that actually helped me in my life.
	I certainly don't think their guns had anything to do with it, but okay.
	Well, force everything boils down to force.
	So everything, like almost everything that you enjoy is because there's rough men that are anonymous that are ready to do harm on your behalf.
	I don't have a problem with men who have guns.
	I have a problem with men who have guns and then shoot up schools.
	Yeah, that's bad.
	Okay.
	I'm saying that's what I have a problem with when it comes to gun violence.
	But this person's saying, like, oh, I loathe men with guns.
	I don't loathe men with guns.
	I loathe gun violence.
	That is bad in a way.
	Yeah, gun violence bad.
	Do you think that's reasonable for me to say?
	Yeah, I think gun violence is bad, of course.
	Right.
	Okay, so I'm just saying I don't loathe men with guns inherently like this person is saying.
	Okay.
	I loathe gun violence.
	Cool.
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	Okay.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Let's get to some.
	I apologize to the panel.
	You know, look, you had a little political convo there.
	The blame is totally, it's her fault.
	All her fault.
	Blame her.
	Don't blame me.
	It was fun, though.
	It was good.
	It was good.
	So we'll get you guys into the convo here.
	I want to talk to Andrew Wilson.
	Now she's going to be like, all right, let me tell you all my, every single one of my dating tips.
	Lack of relationships.
	Yo, Kai Baka, thank you for the gifted 20 subs.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you guys for all the support.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	We have, we're going to get into some of the pre-show notes.
	Actually, really quick.
	Okay, we did that.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	Oh, I wanted to ask everybody's orientation.
	Like straight, bisexual, lesbian, whatever.
	Gay, pan, whatever it is.
	Orientation?
	I'm straight.
	Straight.
	I don't have one.
	I'm just whatever.
	Okay, so you'll like, you'll date women, you'll date men.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Bisexual.
	Okay.
	Is your current, you're in a relationship with a man with a man?
	Okay, what about you?
	Personally, I don't like labels, but a little closer to the mic, if you could.
	I personally don't like labels, so I go by anything.
	Okay.
	All of the above?
	What about you?
	Yeah, straight.
	Straight?
	Okay.
	Straight.
	Okay, what about you?
	Straight.
	All right.
	That's cool.
	I wanted to, oh, for you, I noticed, I wanted to ask, you have armpit hair.
	Okay.
	Does anybody else here have armpit hair?
	Like, you know?
	I mean, all women naturally grow armpit hair.
	Well, Brian, I have a question about that.
	Okay.
	Okay, so what do you think of pubic hair?
	What, like, what do you mean?
	Like, if a woman has pubic hair, would you care?
	What are we talking about?
	Like, full bush jungle?
	What are we talking about?
	I mean, because clearly you care about armpit pair.
	So, like, would you care if a woman has pubic hair?
	If you're someone who's, I didn't even give my position on armpit hair, but I'll tell you my preference.
	I prefer minimal or bare.
	Okay, that's valid.
	Landing strip.
	Yeah.
	That's valid.
	Yeah, that's my preference.
	It's okay if women have preferences too on that, you know?
	But I was curious, has that ever been an issue with dating?
	That's never been an issue with me.
	No, I was talking to you.
	You weren't talking to me.
	I was just giving my opinion.
	That's all good.
	No one I've ever been with has expressed frustration.
	See it, by the way.
	No one I've been with has ever expressed any frustration with it.
	And sometimes I'll get curious and I'll ask and be like, have you always bothered you?
	Or how long have you had it?
	You know what?
	I did shave my armpits for a little bit.
	Like, what made you?
	Yeah, well, I started shaving them because that's what my mom told me I was to do.
	And then I was like, sick of it.
	Do you shave your legs?
	I do because I like how it feels when my legs are shaved.
	I don't like how it feels when my armpits are shaved.
	That's really all there is to it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	Whatever makes you happy.
	And let's see here.
	Okay.
	Oh, who here has a septum piercing?
	We got one.
	We got two.
	Anybody else?
	Septum piercing?
	I used.
	Have you guys, you two, encountered men who dislike the septum piercing?
	Because I have heard, you know, nose ring theory, septum ring theory.
	I've heard some complaints from.
	I've never heard about that before.
	Heard some complaints.
	I don't think all guys have an issue with it, but just curious, your own experience.
	Any issues?
	Okay, so I actually just got mine last month.
	Oh, it's new.
	Okay.
	But before, when I was in high school, when I wanted one, my boyfriend at the time told me that I would look ugly with it if I had gotten it.
	And so I kind of was just like, okay, I won't get it anymore.
	But then I, you know, turned 18 and was like, I can get whatever I want.
	So I finally decided just to get it.
	But I did have problems with it before.
	Okay.
	But that was when I didn't have it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Any issues or no?
	This is this is boring.
	No one has ever said they don't like it.
	And I have also asked and been like, do you wish I didn't have nose piercings?
	And people usually just say that they suit me.
	Well, you're a very pretty girl, so for all the women here at the panel, would you have an issue if a guy had a preference, like he didn't want to date a girl with nose piercings?
	Do you think that that's immature?
	Do you think it's unreasonable, silly preference to have?
	Your thoughts?
	So I could see why they wouldn't want that because when I used to have way more piercings, my ex, his hair was really curly.
	And when we were like making out and stuff, my piercings would get caught on his hair.
	And so we would have to literally have to cut his hair and he would get pissed.
	Oh, he would get caught.
	Yeah, it would get caught in his hair.
	Yeah, that's what we're doing.
	Yeah.
	Did it ever yank?
	Yes.
	So it would hurt you.
	Well, you'd get hurt.
	It hurt me and it hurt him more.
	Because of the hair.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's why I barely have piercings now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That checks out.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Anybody else?
	You know, Daniela, is it kind of immature for a guy, you know, to care about that?
	I don't really care.
	I mean, there's a lot of preferences, so it's I'm not like too nitpicky about other people's.
	Okay.
	I think, I think honestly, like that makes I think that's fine.
	Sometimes when people have a lot of piercings, I think that can be like a bit of a turn off for people.
	And I really don't think that's like immature.
	Just some people don't.
	Same with like tattoos.
	Some people really don't like when people have a lot of tattoos.
	That's just, I think that's kind of an extreme to not date someone because of it.
	Like if you're really into them, but they have a nose piercing.
	That's so bizarre to me.
	But I wouldn't necessarily be offended.
	I'd be like, okay.
	Okay.
	Do you think, as it relates to tattoos, do you guys, what would you say about a guy who didn't want to date a girl because of tattoos?
	Would you take an issue with it or no?
	I mean, if it's like tattoos, sorry, hold on, there's a chat coming through.
	I'll be right back.
	I understand what Chair One is saying about guns and having better control.
	Unfortunately, criminals have illegal underground weapon manufacturing sites.
	So criminals will always have access to them.
	Yeah, and I think the issue there is how many guns are in circulation.
	And I wish more could be done to stop underground weapon manufacturing sites.
	That's why I don't think we should bang guns.
	Okay.
	What years were World War I?
	Started with you?
	World War I?
	That was in the 19th century?
	Like specifically what you were doing.
	I don't remember the exact years of World War I.
	That was sophomore.
	Your history.
	Guess.
	Guess.
	Is this a super chat?
	No, this is just me.
	Coming in.
	Yeah.
	Okay, that was after the guy in Austria got killed and then it caught.
	Okay.
	Just guess.
	1900?
	So just 1900 to.
	I don't have an exact estimate.
	I forget World War I history.
	I know a lot more about World War II history.
	No, so just 1900, like before the 1910s, is what you're saying?
	Yeah.
	Okay, what about you?
	If you know it and you know for sure, don't answer.
	Just tell me that you know it.
	Oh.
	So, do you know it for sure?
	No, but I guess I know when it ends.
	When?
	Yeah, closer to the mic.
	Oh, which one ends 1945?
	That's World War II, too.
	So, it has to be before.
	Yeah, I think you're pretty close then.
	So, like 1910s.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, sorry.
	I honestly asked me this question last time I was here.
	You don't remember?
	No.
	Um, 1920s.
	I don't know.
	History books lie.
	Okay, what about you?
	1915 to 1920?
	I don't know.
	I was gonna say 1910s.
	Okay.
	Um, don't hate me.
	Can we all elaborate?
	World War I.
	So, the years that World War I started and the year that it ended.
	World War I. 1920s, I okay.
	Okay, next.
	I have no idea.
	I saw one of the podcasts when you guys talked about this question.
	I don't remember the answer.
	Guess?
	I don't know, 1910.
	I have no idea.
	Decade?
	Did you say 1910?
	Yes.
	Okay, next.
	Like 1912.
	I don't know.
	I want to say 1840.
	Okay, next.
	Yeah, I was going to say like 1913 or 1915.
	Some of you were close.
	It's 1914 to 1918.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	Yeah.
	What about World War II?
	You know it.
	It's like 19.
	It's in the first half of the 1940s.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Same.
	I don't know.
	It's not too many years between 1940 and 1945.
	Okay.
	I remember that from the last episode.
	Yeah, 1940.
	Yeah.
	Around that area.
	1940.
	I mean, you'll find it.
	But like specific years.
	Does anyone know that exact answer?
	Is it 1939?
	Or is it 19 or is it in the 40s?
	I always mix it up.
	I think it is 1939.
	It started in 39.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Name three countries.
	So you can't.
	Just three countries and you can't repeat answers.
	By three countries in general?
	Just, yes, three countries.
	Brazil.
	No, no, no, no.
	Starting with Earth.
	Okay.
	Bulgaria.
	The Philippines.
	And Estonia.
	Okay.
	You?
	Thailand, Korea, Japan.
	Colombia, United States, and Canada.
	China, Australia, and Africa.
	Wait, what?
	Africa.
	That's a continent.
	Oh, sorry.
	Jordan, the country?
	Okay.
	Chile, Vietnam, Norway.
	Okay.
	Saitals, Italy, and Egypt.
	Wait, the last one, Egypt?
	Egypt.
	Okay, I thought you said something else.
	I was trying to pronounce Saichelles.
	Okay, next.
	Bolivia, Georgia, El Salvador.
	Next.
	Indonesia, New Zealand, Hong Kong.
	Wait, no country.
	Oh my god, I'm so stupid.
	I'm so sorry.
	Is Philippines said?
	Yeah, that was already said.
	I don't know what was already said.
	Australia.
	I think that was said, too.
	Shanghai.
	Wait, I don't know.
	Can you leave the mic where it was?
	Where it was.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Oh, wait.
	Shanghai?
	I don't know.
	That's a city.
	It's a city, but I don't.
	I passed her one.
	No.
	Sorry, I'm really tired.
	I'm not stupid, I swear.
	I'm like, I'm not stupid, I promise.
	Well, we're econ and accounting.
	That's like.
	I just, I'm good at math.
	Oh, yeah.
	I already said Indonesia, so no one really thinks about that.
	Okay, so what were your answers?
	New Zealand and Indonesia.
	I just don't know what was already said.
	One more.
	I mean, there's a lot of countries.
	There is a lot of countries.
	You got this.
	Oh, my God.
	Think about the countries in the United States.
	Like, what's around?
	Wait, there's only.
	Wait, what?
	I mean, not the countries in the United States.
	Sorry.
	Wait.
	Like, around the United States.
	Like, think of it.
	Guatemala.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	I'm really next.
	So, um, Turkey, Kazakhstan, and Romania.
	Okay.
	Trying to think of more questions.
	Um, everyone names one continent.
	We might not get to everyone because there's a lot of people.
	Asia.
	North America.
	South America.
	Europe?
	Yeah.
	Africa.
	Okay.
	Australia.
	Asia.
	No.
	Antarctica.
	Good job.
	I'm trying to think of more rapid-fire questions.
	What are the other rapid-fire questions?
	Make a machine gun.
	Okay.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	It would depend on how much I'm making, but I'll say off the bat, given that I assume that I'll be making above six figures, I would say also above six figures.
	So, what's that though?
	Yeah.
	Like $100,000, $200,000.
	Sure, $100,000.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I'm on the same page.
	Hopefully, it'd be around how much I make, and maybe down the line, around $100,000.
	I'd probably say $50,000, honestly.
	$50,000?
	Okay.
	$130,000?
	Probably $100,000.
	I don't really have a number.
	Not something I really thought about.
	Not like a range.
	Like, would you want him to make more than $50,000 a year?
	Sure, yeah.
	More than $100?
	It doesn't matter to me, really, honestly.
	Could he work at like McDonald's?
	Huh?
	Could he work at McDonald's?
	I mean, my ex, like, we both just worked in, like, basically a fast food establishment.
	So you wouldn't mind if you worked at McDonald's?
	Probably not so much.
	I mean, as long as we can survive, even I don't make that much, to be honest.
	So money's never been like a huge factor for me.
	Like, okay.
	What about you?
	Um, enough to be comfortable, so maybe, like, 150 to 250.
	Okay, what about you?
	I would say 30,000 to 40,000, honestly.
	So the highest number we got was 250.
	Where do you live?
	To the person that said you said 150 to 250.
	Sorry, I don't remember your name.
	I live here.
	Santa Barbara?
	Well, like, I live here currently, yes.
	But I'm like a student, so I'm not there yet.
	Do you plan on staying here?
	Um, yes and no.
	I might move to the Bay Area or maybe New York.
	I don't know.
	Whatever job opportunity.
	Okay.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?
	Not my favorite.
	Really?
	Is it a black bear or a brown bear?
	It's totally random.
	Okay, that means it's most likely a black bear because they're more common.
	And black bears are mostly benign.
	No, there's no, like, more likely to be.
	There is more likely.
	Black bears are more common than brown bears.
	Random.
	Random.
	So then it's probably a black bear.
	It's totally a bear.
	It's random.
	I'll take the bear.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Uh I'd probably take the random guy.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'd take the random guy too.
	Okay.
	Yeah, the random guy.
	I'd take the random guy.
	Okay.
	You?
	The man.
	Yeah?
	The bear.
	100% the man.
	So you.
	And you said that's so hard.
	Anything high on the income one?
	$250 for Bella?
	Okay.
	I don't know.
	Nothing really there for me.
	Bella, how much do you think you'll end up earning?
	I don't know.
	I'll have to get my degree first.
	Well, I mean, if you had to just, I'm sure you maybe have done some research, like, okay, this profession pays this much.
	Well, realistically, I want to be an entrepreneur.
	So, like, I would want to have a stable job to fund that eventually.
	But it's not a need for $150 to $250.
	That's just a like at the end of the day.
	Anybody pick bear or was it who?
	Her and her.
	Shona and Bella.
	All right.
	I'll buy it.
	I'm not going to linger on the bear thing really quick, but I'll buy it really quick.
	Why bear?
	Why not man?
	Well, okay, let's say I'm like hiking in Alaska.
	I probably want to see like a bear from the distance.
	You have somebody from Alaska here.
	Have you hiked?
	No, I just was in Alaska this summer.
	I saw so many bears when I was out, and it was so nice.
	Okay.
	They're so nice to look at.
	Okay, so you were there in Alaska.
	Yeah, it's great.
	You'd rather come across random bears.
	I wanted to come across the bears.
	Are you kidding?
	Because why do you think I'm going to Alaska?
	I want to see the wildlife.
	But you're like stuck in the woods.
	Well, okay, if you're asking me if I would rather come across from a close proximity a dangerous, aggressive brown bear or a safe, normal man, then sure, I would choose the man.
	The question is, you don't know, right?
	So the bear could be safe.
	The man could be dangerous.
	The man could be safe.
	The bear could be dangerous.
	When you come across the bear.
	Totally random.
	Do I have bear spray on me?
	No.
	No.
	No?
	Do I have pepper spray on me?
	You have your fake nails on you.
	I don't have fake nails on you.
	In the hypothetical, you have fake nails.
	And they're pink.
	Okay, I'll bite bear.
	Okay, bear.
	All right.
	And Bella, why'd you pick bear?
	Why not men?
	Well, I'm from Sacramento.
	I go to Tahoe a lot.
	So there's always bears.
	And like, they're all just roaming around.
	Aren't there also a bunch of men in Sacramento?
	No, I was saying Tahoe.
	Well, okay.
	But aren't there also a woman?
	I mean, there's always men and women.
	Yeah, but like we have a cabin, so like there's not men I don't know there.
	There's bears.
	So I'm like more, I'm like okay with it.
	You'd rather fight off a bear than bear.
	Well, I didn't know we were fighting.
	Well, they're not really aggressive.
	They just kind of stay there.
	They're hungry there.
	And we also didn't specify the bear also.
	I mean, you're going to fight a thousand-pound bear or a 25.
	But it's like more than you're prepared for bears.
	Like men are like more unsuspecting.
	But if you're like, my idea was if I was like going to go hiking and I would prepare for bears and the same preparation applies for whatever else I see, I feel like.
	So I don't know.
	I think I could just take on a man bender maybe.
	Well, yeah, effects.
	I mean, it's pretty cut and dry when you come across a bear.
	They're probably going to, I mean, if they're hungry enough, they're going to eat you.
	You know, they're going to attack you.
	Or if their young is around or whatever, you know, like, yeah, I'd rather fight off a man than a bear.
	You could also run away from a man much easier than a bear.
	I feel like the bear answer.
	All right.
	Let's see if we have any chats here to get caught up on.
	Would you rather be trapped in a cage with a bear or a man?
	Bella, would you rather be trapped in a cage with a random bear or a random man?
	And you get out of the, I don't know, after 10 minutes.
	I feel like if the I want to be friends with a bear because I like animals.
	I'm not even trying to be funny, too.
	Like, I would be more scared of a cage.
	A random man?
	Like, that's scary.
	In a cage.
	Yeah, trapped in a cage.
	But I feel like there's, I've met really friendly bears throughout my life.
	I've been like camping all my life.
	I've been introduced themselves.
	Hey, I'm you.
	Yeah, they do.
	Okay.
	I'm just kidding.
	But no, I get what you guys are saying about fighting off a man.
	It's a lot easier to run away, but I also like bears.
	Okay.
	Let's see here.
	I'm not much pushback to give on the bear thing, I guess.
	If your man made just around $100,000, Felicity, why don't you sit there for a moment while we wait for her?
	Tears sweat blood and worked hard every day to further his career and his life with you.
	Would you bow to him?
	Okay, they want to do the bow thing.
	I'll wait till Sean is back for that.
	Bring him a beer when you hear his truck.
	Absolutely.
	So I'll pull it back up when she's here.
	And then we'll wait for everybody's response.
	But while she's gone, I have some pre-show notes that we're going to dive into.
	So we have, let's see, her.
	Oh.
	Wait, hold on.
	I'll let this come through.
	Adzil's donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	Third and final Dono, love as always, Brian.
	Question time.
	Brian, are you a fan of Michael Jackson and what is your favorite song?
	I like his music.
	I wouldn't say I'm a fan of Michael Jackson.
	He's got some great hits.
	Favorite Michael Jackson song?
	Billy James.
	I'm going to find him in the shower.
	Oh, thieves.
	Yeah, just put it on.
	Can you put it on the pillar behind you or whatever?
	That works.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Hold on.
	Daniela, you're from Alaska.
	Have you, I mean, you said you haven't really dated at all.
	So have you dated in Alaska?
	No.
	But you haven't dated is the thing.
	It's different in Alaska.
	Are the guys different?
	Oh, yeah.
	Totally.
	I like them better there.
	You like the Alaskan men better?
	Why is that?
	My friends make jokes about like, oh, lumberjacks, like manly men.
	But I think it's true.
	Just the environment.
	I think they have more record qualities.
	I guess it depends though, but like I think I just like that better.
	Yeah, what's the, if you could list maybe two or three differences?
	Like, what do you see with, because you're in California, right?
	Have you been to California before, by the way?
	What year?
	I mean, yeah, I visited, but I've been here since my first year.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	You're 20, so you're in your third year, right?
	Okay, so you've been now here for like going into your third year then.
	Yeah.
	Differences between Alaskan men and California men.
	I feel like they're willing to do more, like bigger on acts of service.
	Okay.
	They're like they'll do more favors.
	They'll make the initiative, you know?
	Okay.
	Set the pace, I guess.
	But here it's like, I think guys kind of, to a degree, expect you to, or at least I know that guys like girls making the first move and everything.
	I get the appeal, but I think maybe just my preference is not that.
	Okay.
	And would you say, are the men more masculine in Alaska?
	Yeah.
	They can like be scrawnier, but it's just like the aura is definitely, I don't know.
	I think it's, they're more masculine.
	Okay.
	The aura.
	The Alaskan aura.
	Yeah.
	Aura aura borealis.
	How would you describe then if the men in Alaska are more masculine, more initiative?
	How would you describe California men?
	Are there any negative things that you could say?
	Yeah, I think they don't care about like doing, and this is like not all of them, of course.
	But I think a pattern that I've recognized is that a lot of them don't.
	I think their main interest is their attraction is primarily based on like physical appearances, and then the interest comes after that.
	But back home, I feel like it was the other way around.
	Sure.
	You're saying the men in Alaska were more interested in the other things that you could bring to the table.
	Yeah, or personality.
	At least that came first priority.
	What are some of the things that they wanted women to bring in Alaska?
	Not even like to bring, but in terms of character, intelligence, like interests, things like that.
	All right, cool.
	We have a lot of people here who are single.
	So to those of you who are single, I wish to ask, right after this message from Pasty George.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	City folk never realized the difference between city bears and wild bears.
	I was attacked by a black bear one year when I was out trapping.
	Luckily, I had bear mace with me, which saved me.
	Last year, there was a black bear that was kicking it on UCSB campus.
	Trapping.
	Well, like last school year, I guess.
	I think it was in the, I don't know, spring or something.
	But yeah, man, black bears kill.
	A woman was killed in California recently, like a year ago by a black bear.
	Question for the single woman here.
	What does it mean in 2025 to actually be single?
	Because people say, I'm single.
	It's like, well, you start digging a little bit.
	Well, you know, I'm seeing this guy and I got a roster, blah, blah, blah.
	Shona, you say you're single.
	I just wanted to say men also kill women every year.
	Anyway, I am single, yes.
	Thank you for men.
	Okay, cool.
	More men kill more women.
	Sure.
	We'll grant it.
	We'll grant it.
	That's true.
	It's the fact more men kill women.
	Okay, well, more women killed.
	And more men kill women than by the way, I'm not talking about abortion.
	I'm talking about infanticide.
	So like already born children, women are more likely to kill children.
	What are you asking about how I'm single?
	Thank you.
	Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
	She doesn't want to engage there.
	Well, look, you tried it.
	You said, oh, Shona, you're keeping the conversation on politics.
	I'm trying to shift it back to dating.
	For everyone else's sake, I'm trying to be mindful.
	By pointing out that men kill women?
	Okay.
	So you're talking about the man and the bear argument.
	Well, I'm not sure.
	You're saying bears kill women.
	I'm also saying men also kill women.
	Well, I was responding to the super chat, and we were talking about bears.
	My position that a woman was killed recently by a bear isn't contrary.
	Like, it doesn't suggest that men don't kill women.
	Okay, so then me saying men kill women shouldn't be contrary to what you're saying.
	Okay, should I don't know.
	What else should we you want to talk about?
	Ask me the question about we should talk about the brain-eating amoeba.
	That kills everybody in small.
	Right now, you're the brain-eating amoeba.
	We're going to do a little switch, actually.
	Wait, just you're going to come sit here.
	And then when she comes back, she's going to take that seat, I guess.
	Actually, you know what?
	Here, musical chairs.
	Bella, you're going to take that seat, and then you're going to take this seat, and then she's going to be there.
	All I was saying was bears cause harm, men cause harm.
	It's not the ones super, super safe.
	Would you rather leave your child with a saber-toothed tiger or a woman?
	A woman.
	Okay.
	I would do the same.
	My criticism.
	I was half joking with my whole bear argument earlier.
	Yeah, just my criticism with the bear thing.
	It's like, yeah, there's absolutely men who are violent and do all kinds of crazy crimes.
	And there's, you know, men who kill, kill women.
	And there's safe men, and there's dangerous bears, and then there's bears that mind their own business.
	So the whole bear argument boils down to, okay, well, men are disproportionately commit these crimes, more so than women, right?
	Well, then it would just be, I could point out that women are more likely to kill infants.
	And then if I were to ask this question, well, would you rather leave your newborn child with a woman or saber-toothed tiger?
	It's like, despite women being more likely to kill children than saber-toothed tigers.
	Well, hold on.
	There's more women who kill children than do saber-toothed tigers.
	I'd still leave my newborn child with a woman every single time.
	In fact, even if she like previously murdered, I might even be more willing to leave my newborn child with a woman who's been convicted of murder than with a saber-toothed tiger.
	Okay, so my whole take on the man and the bear thing is that the whole like essence of the hypothetical is just to say that, like, okay, like bears, like, they want to like protect their cubs or whatever.
	Like, they don't have the intention of causing like women harm.
	That was funny.
	Can we?
	Can you pull that outside?
	We got to read this one.
	Normally, it's below the threshold, but fuck it.
	Oh, God.
	What's the essence of the bear thing, though?
	It's to say that, like, men who cause women harm and a bear who causes a woman harm, they're doing it for two completely different reasons.
	If it is the case that a man causes harm to a woman and a bear causes harm to a woman.
	And it's to say that the way that men, a man could cause a woman harm if she's left alone in a forest could be a lot more disgusting than a way of bearing.
	Sure.
	But obviously, your point here is like the average man is not going to like maul a woman, whereas an aggressive bear could do that, right?
	And so obviously, if you look at it that way, then sure, like the average, safe, normal woman.
	She's back.
	I thought she was taking her seat.
	No, she's going to stay there.
	well she's going to what she's you're gonna You're going to be there.
	Okay.
	And then when Belle is back, she's going to be there.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random MS-13 gang member or a random ICE agent?
	That's just for you.
	A random ice agent, which still doesn't mean I agree with everything ICE does.
	Okay, thank you for piano.
	I believe MS-13 gang members should be convicted.
	The essence of the bear question.
	I lost my track because there's obviously I'm rational enough to say that the average man is not going to kill a woman, whereas bears are unpredictable and aggressive.
	I mean, again, my position would simply be: yes, there are absolutely men who commit crimes, who want to do really disgusting things.
	Yeah, sure.
	And worse than that.
	Worse than murder.
	Well, there's dispute that.
	Worse than murder.
	Yeah.
	There are men who do things that are worse than murder to women.
	Some women will make that assumption.
	But a bear wouldn't do anything worse than just murder to a woman.
	Right, sure.
	And that's where the hypothetical comes in.
	But again, like, obviously, being rational, the average man is not going to kill a woman.
	I would argue, though, that if women encountered just as many bears as they did men, then all women would just be dead.
	So like all you women here have encountered thousands of men throughout your life, tens of thousands, maybe more, walked past them.
	I would rather encounter a group of bears than a group of men who are like doing what men do to women in like Congo, for example.
	Like there's like cases of like mass like rape and killing that like that women deal with in Congo, right?
	Yeah, that's terrible.
	Right.
	Like the men I've encountered in my life, like I live in a privileged area, like I'm safe, but there's women who don't deal with safe groups of men.
	So, well, yeah, sure.
	I mean, this hypothetical typically relates more so to like there's obviously different geographical regions and different nations which have way higher crime statistics than the United States.
	Yeah.
	And in fact, there's other countries that have lower crime statistics than the United States.
	But ultimately, I do, I think it's, oh, the bow.
	We have to do them.
	That's right.
	Thank you for pointing that out.
	Okay, well, we'll.
	Oh, wait, the single thing.
	Azil's donated $200.
	Okay, we'll do the bow thing in this one.
	Question time.
	Are you a fan of Michael Jackson and what is your favorite?
	Oh, my God.
	This is not the right one.
	Hold on.
	I'm actually.
	I really want to answer that.
	It was.
	Okay.
	I pulled the wrong one.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm going to have you read this next one that comes up in just a moment here.
	And then Pasty has a message after that.
	So we have bow, then we have to go back to single.
	If your man made just around $100,000 a year, tears, sweat, blood, and worked hard every day to further his career and life with you, would you bow to him, bring him a beer when you hear his truck?
	So we're going to ask that of the panel.
	And then Pasty George is coming in.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	While it is true that a lot of women are killed by men every year, more male babies are killed by women via abortion every year, more so in countries infected with feminism like America and Canada.
	Pasty George is Canadian, by the way.
	That's only the case.
	You can only consider that murder so long as you believe abortion is murder, which is a completely different debate and topic.
	And I don't believe it's murder anyway.
	There is.
	We're not.
	We don't have to do it.
	You can ask me the question about data.
	Yeah, yeah, we're not going to have an abortion.
	We're not going to have an abortion debate on the show.
	Yeah.
	That's okay, unfortunately.
	But let's see here.
	You can have it with Andrew, though, when he comes in.
	Let's see.
	Oh, the bow thing.
	And then there's the single thing, too.
	Okay, so keep in mind the question that came in.
	The guy makes $100,000 a year.
	Tears, sweat, blood, works hard every day to further his career and his life with you.
	Would you do a bow for him?
	Now we're going to show you.
	We're going to demonstrate.
	I took a video of my ex-girlfriend.
	You know, just your ex now.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So you're single now.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So I took a video, like as an instruction manual for future girlfriends because like I feel, you know, there's like a training process when you get a new girl.
	Like you gotta, here's how you fold my laundry.
	Here's how you, you know, like don't like you've got a bag.
	You have to relearn everything.
	You've got a 25-pound bag of rice from Costco and she's gonna like dip like the water-soaked scooper into it.
	No, then you're gonna get like die from the rice thing.
	Anyways, you gotta, look, there's there's a program.
	You gotta have, anyways, play the video, Nick.
	Play the bow video.
	I took it just so I could show this to my future girlfriend's instruction manual.
	Boom, boom, huge bow.
	She has to bow as soon as I get home from work.
	This was after a long podcast episode and got to do the laundry.
	So would you make your ex bow for you?
	Well, she wants the they want to do it, okay?
	But they wouldn't.
	They want to do it.
	But they wouldn't.
	Look, she's got my dinner ready.
	She cracks open a beer for me.
	And then this is your dream life right here.
	Actually, you see those tomatoes there?
	They were just raw tomatoes.
	I actually broke up with her because of that.
	Play the bow again, really quick.
	Like, boom, huge bow.
	Do you see the depth, the submissive hand posture, the bow at the beginning?
	Question for you guys from the super chatter.
	Would you bow for a good guy, a good man, who's your boyfriend, I guess?
	No.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	I don't think a good man would ask me to bow, so probably not.
	Good man wouldn't ask you to bow.
	Okay, what about you?
	I wouldn't bow.
	Wouldn't bow?
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	Wouldn't do it?
	Okay.
	No.
	Wouldn't do it?
	Wait, it's audio.
	People, audio, audio.
	There's people who are just listening.
	So I would not have it.
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	Okay, what about you?
	Absolutely.
	I would.
	I wouldn't.
	You would hit the bow?
	I would absolutely.
	Brian, I have a question.
	Right, man.
	Hold on.
	Absolutely.
	You said more.
	You said you would do more.
	Yeah, I would look up new ways to bow, like different ways of bowing from different countries.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Yeah, whatever he wanted.
	I'd have his dinner ready.
	Yeah, all that.
	That whole video you just showed, absolute fucking relief for the right man.
	What about you?
	Yes, and it wouldn't be weird because my husband's actually from Japan.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	All right.
	What was your question?
	I was just going to ask you, if a woman was working blood, sweat, and tears, making more money than you, like giving you peace, cooking all your meals, taking care of all of your needs and everything, would you bow for her?
	So I think this is a gendered thing, right?
	There's different sort of expectations when it comes to dating.
	So like expecting women to bow, apparently.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	So the scenario you presented, so I've said though on the show, for the perfect woman or like an exceptional woman, but caked into that, she's like obscenely rich or whatever.
	No, no, no, she's everything you've ever wanted and she's also like really rich.
	Or like even if you would bow for her?
	Sure, yeah.
	Okay.
	And that's a bigger indictment is the right word.
	Like submissive hand posture, like all the way like nose touching your knees, like full-on bow.
	Sure, why not?
	Okay.
	That's really nice.
	Well, my calculus here is hold on.
	My calculus on this, and you might say, Brian, that's ridiculous.
	Your calculus on this is almost nobody is going to get the perfect person.
	So in my mind, in terms of what I think the perfect woman is, is so exceedingly rare that there are men who would kill for that.
	Now, I'm not going to, I wouldn't kill somebody for that.
	These standards must be crazy.
	But, well, it's not standards, but I'm saying that in life, we're not going to get everything that we want, right?
	I think people find their person for sure.
	You can find your person, but people have flaws.
	And this idea that whoever you end up with is going to be perfect in every single regard is a fantasy.
	But I think that's the concept of being like imperfectly perfect.
	You know what I mean?
	Like loving someone else.
	I don't know what that means.
	But my point is simply that, yeah, sure, I would do certain things that maybe I wouldn't otherwise do for like this sort of unicorn fantasy land woman, right?
	Obviously, that doesn't exist.
	So, I mean, the entailment here would be, okay, bro.
	But a woman should do that for a man who might not be perfect, but it's a hundred.
	But here's my framework for this.
	Okay, the perfect woman, she's like exactly physically what I'm looking for.
	She meets all my like personality and value characteristics, and she's like a trillionaire.
	So like if the entailment is, okay, I have to bow, but then I never have to work a day in my life and we have generational wealth.
	Yeah, I'll do a fucking bow so I can like just surf all day and never have to work.
	Yeah, sure, I'll do it.
	But the man in this hypothetical isn't like some perfect, unrealistically ideal person.
	He's just a man who makes 100K a year.
	Sure.
	So that's not perfectly ideal.
	Yeah, right.
	So that's maybe.
	So why would a woman bow for him?
	They wouldn't.
	Well, that was his question.
	My second follow-up question, though, would be, for the perfect man, would you bow for him?
	If he was the, again, what she said, if he was the perfect man, he wouldn't ask something like that.
	Well, but so the entailment here is every single other characteristic and trait that you would deem to be perfect, he possesses.
	Like, ironically, unseriously, I would bow for him.
	Like, we'd be laughing about it, but not seriously in, like, some kind of weird, submissive way.
	Okay, so I'm taking that as a no.
	You wouldn't bow for the perfect man.
	What about you?
	Perfect man.
	Again, for me, like, he would not ask me that.
	I just think it would create a weird dynamic.
	No?
	Not one that I would want.
	Okay, well, not even the perfect man.
	If he asks me seriously, then he's not the perfect man.
	How about this?
	It's not him that's asking you.
	It's a magic genie.
	But the magic genie has a condition.
	And the condition is, I'll give you your perfect man.
	And it's not something that is in his mind that he's desiring this.
	But it's something that as a condition of you accept receiving the perfect man, you have to do this action.
	Would you do it?
	Yeah, well, that's different.
	The whole.
	So the issue is his desire for it is the issue.
	Yeah, because if it was like, again, a joke, but it's the intention.
	If his intention was like yours to make the other person submissive, then that's not what I want.
	I agree with that.
	What about you?
	Would you bow for your perfect man?
	No, I would not bow.
	I think it's weird.
	No.
	Okay.
	For the perfect, perfect.
	Keep in mind, money, looks, share, commonality, everything can be perfect.
	Absolutely not.
	Okay, what about you?
	I think if he was my perfect man, then the only way he would ask me to do that is if he does it for me too.
	No, it's one directional.
	One directional.
	I don't think, yeah, my perfect man wouldn't feel that.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	Okay, so for me.
	Do me a favor, just scoot into the table, please, just so we're.
	Okay, sorry.
	It's all right.
	Just scoot into the table a little bit, just so we can hear you.
	Audience can hear you.
	Okay, for perfect man, will you bow?
	My man, it honestly doesn't matter, like, what he gives me, as long as he's giving me the equal, you know.
	I know exactly what you're talking about.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, can I?
	We're just going to adjust your microphone a little bit.
	Yours.
	Bella, can you scoot it this way a little bit and then tilt the microphone down just a tad?
	Thank you, Bella.
	Appreciate it.
	No, won't bow.
	Okay, fair, fair.
	What about you?
	Absolutely.
	For the perfect guy, and then you said, well, you guys already said yes.
	I'm going to respond.
	I'm going to give you guys a scathing rebuke, but first there's a cheat.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Most of the women on the panel saying no to bowing for their ideal man is why a lot of good Western men are going overseas to get women who are traditional and bow for their men out of respect.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Hasclaw bros are not good Western men.
	And we're going to.
	You had some thoughts on this, the traditional gender roles thing.
	We're going to have the whole panel weigh in.
	We have one for you to read that's coming up in just a sec.
	Pasty George, DM me on Discord.
	I'm going to get you a TTS hookup.
	I ask this to hear your input.
	She works hard as well.
	She does my laundry, makes my dinner, but I take care of the house.
	I make this house a home.
	Every luxury she has comes from my hands.
	What's the question there?
	Oh, I think he's just, that's a statement there.
	Okay.
	So back to this.
	It's interesting.
	Well, I guess before I give my full take, just a couple questions for you guys.
	Normally we have a questionnaire, but we didn't do it today.
	Just really quick answers as we go around the table.
	Should men pay for first dates?
	In college?
	I got the age I'm at.
	Because I don't expect a college guy.
	What if he asks you out on the date?
	I think it's the masculine thing to do, so I'd prefer it.
	It's the masculine thing to do.
	I think it's masculine.
	I thought you reject traditional gender roles.
	I think there's like masculine and feminine things, but I don't think depending on your preference, everyone has to subscribe to like every so you think if a woman went 50-50 or paid for the date, that would be masculine?
	No, again, like I think, especially in the situation I'm at, like I would, you know, I'll backtrack.
	I think, I think it's acceptable to go 50-50 on the first date.
	Okay, but should men pay for first dates?
	It is masculine.
	So if a man wants to prefer it, I would prefer it.
	You would be more impressed or it would be brownie points.
	Yeah.
	Brownie points.
	Okay.
	And then you said, like, I understand the college point you were making.
	It's like, well, we're both broke.
	We're both in college.
	So in that case, I would be fine with going through.
	But I suspect the entailment there is, well, once we're both professionals, then the man should definitely pay.
	When we're both making money, the man should pay.
	Like on a date?
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So to be clear, there'd be a greater expectation once you're both working.
	Now it's like, well, he actually has resources.
	He has money.
	And once I advance my relationship with this person in the future, and like I'd, I guess, be the one having kids and like playing a role there.
	Like I would also have greater expectations in doing what's considered feminine, right?
	Sure.
	Should a man pay for the first date?
	Well, I think it'd be nice, depending on their financial situation.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Should the man pay for the first date?
	I think as I'd go as low as 50-50.
	I agree with 50-50.
	At least.
	What?
	A small percentage of dudes pay on the first date.
	I say at least 50-50.
	Okay.
	Oh.
	I talk like that all the time.
	You totally do.
	Okay.
	Should a man pay for the first date?
	If he's asking me out on the date, I feel like that's implied.
	If I were to ask a man out.
	Do you ask men out?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm not.
	Who should pay on the first date?
	I was actually going to have the same response if the person who initiates the date should pay for the date.
	But in your own experience, is it typically the man who asks?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Who should pay?
	Or should, sorry, should men pay on first dates?
	I feel like that would be the best way for them to do that.
	Because honestly, it's like, yeah, you're showing, oh, you're a gentleman.
	You're paying on the first date.
	But it's gentlemanly.
	Yeah, but if he's like going through some financial shit and he's like, honestly, I need you to split this bill with me, you know, type shit.
	Type shit.
	Type shit.
	Yeah, then I totally understand.
	But that's my opinion.
	They should always pay on the first date if they're trying to impress that girl.
	What is, by the way, I'm what is type shit?
	Is that like yes?
	Is it like, is it affirmative?
	It's another way of me saying, you feel me, right?
	Okay, okay.
	You feel me?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Bella, should men pay on first dates?
	If he asks, yes.
	If he asks, okay.
	Yeah.
	If you ask.
	Absolutely.
	What do you think?
	I think so.
	It would be nice.
	Would be nice.
	It would be nice.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Not quite yet at my point, but should men be protectors?
	And let's just do yes or no on this.
	Should men be protectors?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Just.
	Okay.
	Can I just say, can I just say yes and no?
	Because I can't tell.
	I'll accept it.
	I accept it.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	Wait, sorry.
	One more time, Bella?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Should men be providers?
	Yes or no?
	I mean, that's kind of more complicated because, like, personally, I would want to also provide for myself financially, but I would assume both people are bringing money and like bringing in wealth also for your children's future one day.
	Okay.
	But I mean, will there be, do you want kids one day?
	Yeah.
	Do you know how many?
	Ideally, maybe two.
	Okay.
	Do you want to take any time off from work?
	I mean, yeah, someone.
	Years maybe?
	I mean, I don't know about years, but I would take some time off when it's necessary to be more present in the household.
	Okay.
	Mary, can you do upstairs?
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And should men be providers?
	Should they?
	I don't know, but it'd be nice for me.
	Would be nice, sure.
	Okay.
	Yes or no?
	Should men be providers?
	No?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	Nope.
	I personally think.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	I personally.
	Just yes or no.
	I personally think if you're providing me with a child, then you should man up and actually be providing for man up.
	Yeah.
	Got provide.
	Okay, that's a yes.
	All right, Bella, what about you?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Should men be chivalrous?
	This kind of relates to these other points, but should men be chivalrous?
	Quick yes or no?
	What's your definition of chivalry?
	Yeah, for real.
	I'm just curious.
	It could be like rape.
	Like opening the door.
	Like gentlemanly treatment.
	So, I mean, it would encompass like provide, protect, paying for first days, but it could also be certain actions like opening the car door for you, opening the car door, observing the sidewalk rule where the man walks closer to where the on the on the sidewalk, closer to the cars.
	These sorts of kind of actions.
	Are you asking me if I expect that all men should do that or if the men that I would choose to date should do that?
	Both.
	Well, I guess you could break it down like what you want and then what you think prescriptively.
	If you want to be nonchalant and not really chivalrous and not doing those things, then you have the right to do that.
	And a woman who doesn't really care about chivalry can find you.
	But personally, for my dating life, I would prefer a man to do those things or just be thoughtful.
	You should sit straight.
	I feel like you're just cutting off Daniella over there.
	Sorry about that.
	Just boxing her out.
	To me, like the word you're like chivalry or what you're saying, the examples you're giving just point to being thoughtful.
	And I think men should be thoughtful the way I would also want to be thoughtful.
	The thing is, though, is that these specific actions as it relates to chivalry are typically one-directional.
	So it's not like both men and women can be thoughtful.
	I think but with those specific acts, the expectation is not for the woman to open the car door for the man, not for the woman to walk closer to where the cars are, not for the woman to I don't know if people do like the restaurant pull-out seat thing.
	That's kind of like whatever.
	And I think like women do thoughtful things in like a different way too, right?
	Yeah, sure.
	So actually in that sense, which ways?
	No, just curious.
	What are the ways?
	Like, what are the thoughtful things that women uniquely do?
	Like taking care of the home, raising children, cooking meals.
	Well, but now we're talking about way down the line.
	I guess I'm more so looking like if you're not living with the guy, are you doing some of these things?
	I mean, if you're dating a guy, you can certainly be thoughtful.
	You can show up for him and like care for him.
	He would show up for you too.
	Which is why it's a mutual thing to be thoughtful and caring.
	But there are, societally, there are specific things that seem to be like specific acts that really seem to only be placed on men.
	Well, I as it relates to dating.
	Don't men have certain expectations for women when it comes to dating too.
	Like what?
	You tell me, do you have expect like certain expectations?
	I'm asking you.
	It's your claim.
	I mean, I think men expect women to look a certain way, to present themselves a certain way, to carry themselves a certain way.
	Yeah, but this would go both ways.
	I mean, perhaps women, to be charitable, I think women are a bit more forgiving in some ways on the physical front.
	But this idea that women, hold on, but this idea that women are like wholesale just tolerate complete slobbery from men is ridiculous.
	It's completely ridiculous.
	Both genders want good hygiene.
	Both genders want people to be presentable.
	So, I mean, also, some of the things that women do to be presentable, that's for the female gays.
	Like this excessive makeup, plastic surgery, fake lips, that's female gay shit.
	Men don't like the fake lip shit.
	Men don't like that.
	But a lot of women do that because maybe they think men do.
	Well, I think women like so big lips are typically deemed attractive.
	Right.
	But men, from what I've heard from a bunch of men, and my own personal preference, is I think the fake lip thing looks really weird.
	I think Kylie Jenner became a lot more conventionally attractive to men after she got lip filler.
	I think it makes a lot of people look older.
	I mean, there's like bad lip jobs and good lip jobs.
	I mean, they're mostly bad, but okay.
	Does somebody.
	Anybody?
	Sorry, am I like talking shit about somebody here?
	Is anybody, anybody here have lip filler?
	Yes, try to see.
	Yes.
	Daniela, do you have lip filler?
	Yes, yeah.
	Charity.
	No, not at all.
	You have lip filler?
	No.
	What?
	Sorry, Bella, you wanted to come in on something?
	No, I don't have lip filler.
	Oh, I thought you wanted to add.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait, hold on.
	Blazk donated $999.
	Men are expected to die to protect their wife.
	If you can't do a simple bowal, make him a sandwich for the men.
	You are a future cat lady.
	That's lip.
	I'd make my men a sandwich if you wanted.
	Thank you, man.
	Here's what I'm going to do, though, just because I want to finish off this segment.
	Are you cool if we delay it like the champagne pop five to ten minutes?
	Nick, can you just give me a reminder to do the champagne pot?
	I just really want to get through this without an interruption.
	Okay, where were we?
	We were talking about chivalry.
	You can try to speedrun it if you want.
	I love it.
	Chivalry.
	The question was: should men be chivalrous?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I guess.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Every woman would prefer it.
	Okay.
	And then, let's see here.
	Who here wants to get married?
	Just show of hands?
	Wants to get married?
	Boom, boom, boom.
	Everybody except Bella?
	No, I do.
	Oh.
	Okay, you do.
	And then just you, you don't want to get married?
	Okay.
	When you do get married, will you take your husband's last name?
	Yeah.
	Or I would be interested in doing like a hyphenated kind of thing.
	So no?
	You know, you can like combine two last names.
	Yeah, I was going to say.
	But so.
	So no, you wouldn't take his last name, though.
	You would take your name.
	I'm still taking his last name.
	It becomes a part of your name.
	But I'd like to give my name and his name.
	Like, you can do like Alan Smith.
	But you wouldn't take his name.
	No, I might.
	It depends how I feel eventually.
	Completely.
	Just like Haley Road Bieber, like that.
	Right, like that.
	I kind of like that idea of that.
	But you won't, just to be clear, you wouldn't.
	I would have to think about it.
	I wouldn't outright refuse it, and I don't think anything's wrong with wanting to take your husband's last name.
	It would just be my preference.
	But you would lean towards hyphenation?
	Yeah, okay.
	Most likely.
	What about you?
	Will you take his name or hyphenate?
	I'm not against it, but I think I like my last name, so I might hyphenate.
	Like your last name?
	Yeah, same with both of them.
	So I'd either take the last name or I'd also hyphenate it.
	Well, is anybody here prepared to say no?
	You asked me.
	It depends on the last name.
	Just take his last name.
	Because if his last name is Lane, Lynn.
	I'm not saying that.
	Okay.
	Well, here, just going around really quickly.
	Do you outright refuse to just take his last name?
	No.
	I don't refuse to last name.
	But you'd want to hyphen.
	And tell me if you'd want to hyphenate.
	No, but I'd like to hyphen.
	What if he says no?
	Well, it's not so important to me that if I met the right person that I couldn't negotiate on that.
	Like, what if he insisted?
	He's like, look, I want to adhere to this tradition.
	Yeah, I'd do it.
	Okay.
	Will you take your husband's last name?
	Yeah, but I prefer to hyphenate.
	Prefer to hyphenate?
	Okay.
	That's an acceptable question.
	Answer, sorry.
	I'd prefer to hyphenate.
	Prefer to hyphenate?
	Would you absolutely not take your husband's last name?
	Like, 100% no?
	It's negotiable.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Or you don't want to get married, right?
	I don't.
	Okay, so it doesn't matter then.
	Yeah, it doesn't matter.
	What about you?
	Hyphenate.
	Hyphenate won't, under no circumstance, take your husband's last name?
	No, I would if I have to think about it.
	I'm 20.
	Well, sure.
	I don't expect you to get married anytime soon, but you would prefer to hyphenate.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I want his last name.
	What about you?
	I took my husband's last name.
	You took his last name.
	You are married.
	Okay.
	And then, secondly, this should be the last question related to this traditional stuff.
	Well, then we'll get into the open convo.
	Do you want your children to have your last name or to hyphenate?
	I think it would make more sense if they took my husband's last name.
	Oh, okay.
	Interesting.
	I don't know.
	Pick.
	Pick one.
	Pick one?
	Yeah.
	Do you prefer your children be hyphenated or take your husband's last name?
	I'd probably give my last name to be their middle name or something just to keep it in the family.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	But also give it to their, like, give it, give them his last name.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'd give it to my kids.
	All right.
	I'd hyphenate with my kids.
	For the kids, okay.
	What about you?
	Definitely not.
	Okay.
	For your kids?
	Husband's last name?
	Husband's last name?
	Husband's last name.
	It's going to be his last name.
	Okay.
	So, interesting.
	This whole bow thing, talking about all these things, the reason I bring it up is it seems like a lot of women want men to hold to their tradition, to men's traditional gender roles.
	But you want to completely abandon, forsake, relinquish any traditional gender roles that relate to women.
	So it's like you guys want men to pay on first dates, men should pay on first dates, men should provide, men should protect, men should be chivalrous, do all these things, right?
	But why shouldn't women do like why is there anything that we can place on women where we can say women should?
	I think you can place certain things on women.
	I just think the idea of bowing specifically is kind of weird and not the same as like chivalry on the male level.
	So the bow thing, I'm bringing it to just generalized traditional gender roles.
	I'm happy to go back to the bow for a little bit.
	Is a woman bowing for a man like the whole generalization of femininity and like what a woman should do for a man?
	No, that's not the claim.
	That's not the claim.
	Okay.
	Well, the bow is a really easy way to gauge the degree to which women are willing to do anything that could possibly, even slightly inconvenience them for the sake of a man.
	And it's interesting to me, though, as it relates to the bow, that you won't even do it for the perfect man.
	It's not because I don't like him enough.
	just bowing is like it's just like this ultimate act of submission and like there's nothing hold on It seems like it's an act of submission, but it's definitely not the ultimate act of money.
	Okay, sure.
	Like, wouldn't you agree, like, the actual act of bowing, like completely benign and super easy?
	Sure, it's easy, but it's just, like she said, there's like a weird dynamic behind that.
	And it's like the degree of what I'm asking or like what I like that's masculine is kind of different than like the action of bowing.
	Like if a man has certain expectations for me as a woman, I wouldn't believe those expectations to be like me bowing.
	Like there's other expectations that men have.
	What are women expected to do?
	To be nurturers and to take care of the home and to like carry themselves in a feminine way, no?
	Isn't that like feminine?
	How long do you reserve all those things?
	Because a lot of these things, like you expect men to front load almost all this behavior.
	The expectation there is immediately, guy has to pay for the date, guy should be willing to provide, protect.
	Okay, maybe not provide.
	Like obviously first date, the guy's not going to buy you a house.
	When I'm dating, like if I'm like going into dating with a man, I don't have like a checklist.
	Oh, he needs to do this.
	He needs to do this.
	He needs to do this.
	Like I'm not approaching dating like that, even when it comes to men.
	Do you think the guy should open, like the guy picks you up on a first date, picks you up in his car?
	Should he open the car door for you?
	I mean, that's a nice thing for him to do.
	That's a thoughtful thing for him to do.
	It's like almost exclusively something that men do, like a traditional gender expectation on men, right?
	But my question is.
	But what is there for a woman to do immediately?
	I can give you some.
	Well, I can give you a couple examples.
	If you give me examples, I can address them for sure.
	But I mean, to actually your point, there's not really a ton.
	So then what is a woman supposed to do?
	I'll get there.
	I'll get there.
	My criticism, though, is you guys all had this like visceral, like, uh, bow.
	But it's, if we even compare it to the, I guess, a male comparison, which I would say is opening the car door, that takes more time and effort than the bow does.
	Opening the car door, get out of the car, walk around the car, open the car door.
	Like, women are capable of opening car doors.
	It's like women drive all the time.
	They have their own cars.
	I guess my confusion, though, is like.
	Like, what am I doing in return?
	No, it's, it's, I wouldn't frame it as tip for tad.
	I guess we have these expectations that we place on men that, in comparison to the bow, take more time, more effort.
	Even, for example, the paying for dates, the man paying for the date.
	If the, so, okay, um, what do you guys think would be like a realistic?
	I know you could just go get pizza and it's like 20 bucks or whatever.
	But if a guy takes you to like a medium-tier place or whatever, maybe he'll spend a hundred bucks total.
	Like, I think that's pretty reasonable.
	You, even you go to Chili's, you get an appetizer, you both get drinks, you get a main course, you get a dessert, you tip the waitress.
	That's probably about a hundred bucks, right?
	I don't think it'd be unrealistic for somebody.
	And Chili's is not like the most preeminent dating venue, like first date venue.
	Some guys will spend less, some will spend more.
	But using this $100 dinner example, the baked-in expectation from women then is in order for you to go on a date with me, you let's say the guy works a job and he gets paid $20 an hour before tax, by the way.
	He has to work five hours to take you out to dinner.
	And you could say, Well, okay, well, what about the portion of the meal?
	It's 50, you know, say it's 50 for him, 50 for you.
	He pays 100, okay.
	So then the entailment is just instead of five hours of work, he's working two and a half hours.
	To reiterate, I did mention earlier: if both people are like in a situation where they're kind of not on their feet yet, like money-wise, like especially in college, I could be more forgiving than that.
	I mean, sure, I would say maybe in college, women are a little more forgiving on that front.
	Yeah.
	I still think it would also be fair to say that even in college, women, not all women, but a large proportion of women will still have this expectation on men.
	So the expectation they're baked in is, and let's say the guy works some like super physically laborious job, like he's a laborer, he's digging ditches or whatever, or he's working like a really shitty retail job or some shit.
	Not fun, right?
	Okay, in order for him to go on a date with you, it's got to work two and a half hours.
	So that's my confusion with the objection to the bow is it's free, it takes it takes three seconds, no effort, but you is that really what men want in return in terms of all like chivalry.
	They want a bow, is that like the ultimate expectation of women in like dating culture that men want secrets?
	Most men probably don't want this, right?
	They don't really care about that.
	I'm looking at this from a bird's eye view.
	I'm like, I'm looking at it.
	I'm looking at the chessboard and I'm like, hold on.
	Every single woman here, except for I think you two, ew, visceral response, the bow, what wouldn't bow?
	That's what weird, whatever.
	Because that's not even what most men are looking for, like you said.
	It's just kind of this weird, outlandish thing.
	I feel like it's not the best support for your argument.
	Like, the bow is not comparison to a man opening the door.
	Like, I feel like.
	I think it's comparable, but go ahead.
	Oh, well, I think it's a lot less casual.
	But I think there's certain compromises, and you kind of figure out it's not like women aren't doing anything.
	Like, I pay for dessert instead of them, or you'd be conscious of their financial situation and not spend as much.
	But it's like there's certain actions that I feel like women also compensate in the same way.
	So it's not such a harsh, like, oh, these are all the expectations like women have.
	Like, men have just as much.
	So I don't know.
	I don't really get that.
	Well, the comparison is quite simple.
	It's you object to the bow, would never do it.
	But like, if we look at the duties and burdens and traditional gender role expectations of men, if it is the case, and look, some women are fine going 50-50, whatever.
	Most women will never pay for a full date, though.
	That's exceedingly rare.
	That's besides the point, though.
	There is quite a bit of an expectation men should pay on first dates.
	Again, that means that men should, if he makes $20 an hour, some men make way less than that.
	He has to work two, three, four hours to take you out.
	And I'm thinking in my head, it's like, imagine if I were to verbalize to a woman, you know what?
	I don't need the bow, but go work for some corporation for two, three, four hours.
	So you have, so I'll even consider going on a date with you.
	You women would be like, the fuck?
	You want me to like, I don't know, go work at Nordstrom's or some shit for two, three, four hours?
	So I can go on a date with you?
	You would laugh.
	You guys would think that's ridiculous.
	I guess what I'm pointing out is the bow thing is a really small ask, I think.
	Whereas women have, you probably, privilege is invisible to those who have it.
	You probably haven't even considered the reality of some guy.
	And there's a lot of people who work retail, who work service jobs, who really don't get paid a bunch.
	Should we just like do some, should we bar them from dating because they don't make a lot of money?
	I think, well, I mean, I've worked plenty of jobs.
	Like, I've paid for men.
	Like, these things don't, I think I would not ask for something that they weren't willing to give in the first place.
	So it's, I'm not expecting them to pay, but if they do, then they do.
	And then where that goes from then on is just how compatible, like, who we are.
	There's no asking, I think.
	Or I don't know, that's not how I approach relationships.
	Well, okay.
	I guess, again, though, my confusion here.
	I mean, how about this?
	Is there, what is something that we can say women should do?
	Like, should a woman, when she's in a relationship with a man, should she do his laundry?
	Yes.
	I don't think there's like shoulds.
	Like, I think if the woman wants to and she does, and then the man likes that, then yeah, because not all relationships are built under this like structure.
	But the thing is, is that male traditional gender roles don't seem quite as negotiable.
	So it's like, look, there are women who are fine with 50-50, although even a lot of these like liberal, feminist, progressive women, they still prefer, still want men to pay for dates.
	So I mean, I okay, but I want to understand like overall, like you have this frustration with like women wanting certain things, but then like, oh, man.
	I'm not frustrated by it.
	Well, like, you think it's like one-sided, like, oh, like, women want chivalry, but then men can't want anything.
	So I'm just curious, like, what is it that men, like, today, like, within dating culture, want that women should provide?
	Because like the bow, again, that's not, you already said that's not representative of what men overall want for women.
	So what is the expectation that men have?
	Well, I think men have very low, honestly, it doesn't take much to please men.
	Doesn't take much.
	I don't think you got to do all this extraneous shit the same way that men do.
	But you do have this like frustration about it being one-sided.
	So I'm trying to like reconcile that and understand.
	So I don't.
	Well, my frustration stems more so from I'm fine with traditional gender roles.
	I'm totally fine with it.
	But my issue comes from when women hold men to their traditional gender roles, especially when these women tend to be more egalitarian or progressive or liberal in all other regards.
	But as it relates strictly to dating, they want modernity for themselves, but they want tradition for men.
	They want the benefits of modernity.
	They want the benefits of tradition.
	And they want to, but in a way, they want to pay, like, equality is a buffet to women.
	You want to pick and choose the equality that best suits you.
	And if any form of equality could somehow come to your detriment, paying GoM50-50, like taking a more proactive role when it comes to dating and courtship, which like even super liberal women, like really not that proactive, then yes.
	Well, I would say, like, I mean, I don't believe you can hold someone to like a full-on traditional standard and then completely reject it when it comes to you.
	Like, personally, again, like you've mentioned the whole thing about men being providers.
	I don't expect a man to completely provide for me.
	Like, I plan on earning my own money.
	So that's me having my own financial stability.
	The whole protector thing, like, it's nice if a man has protective instincts, but I also plan on being able to protect myself.
	So it's not like I'm going to do that.
	Aren't you?
	Would you ever do you own a gun?
	Would you have a gun?
	I own pepper spray.
	Like, again, but like, is a man like pulling out a gun to defend me?
	Super quick segue here.
	Oh, God.
	You, you live, you, you, you live alone or whatever, and somebody breaks into your house and it's a man.
	You don't know if they have a knife.
	You don't know if they have a gun.
	How would you best be able to go about defending yourself in that situation?
	I likely wouldn't be able to, but I don't plan on owning a gun because I'm not comfortable with that.
	I would just try and call 911 or something or escape as soon as possible.
	Like, that doesn't mean I have to own a gun.
	I mean, if you could even get to the phone in that time.
	Yeah, I might die.
	I just don't plan on owning a gun.
	Like the thing with police, right?
	The thing you have to understand when it comes to self-defense, after you've been murdered, the police will show up and investigate the crime scene.
	But police will take four, five, six, seven, ten, fifteen minutes to show up to the active home invasion.
	If someone invaded my home and tried to kill me, I'd probably die.
	Well, seconds matter in this situation.
	Unless the police are gone.
	Even if the police were kicking it outside your house, I'm probably dead.
	It's somebody inclined to murder you.
	Yeah, then I would probably get murdered.
	Does anybody else, off of the gun thing, though, want to weigh in on the ongoing conversation about anybody have thoughts on this?
	My point here is basically just we say men should do.
	Are you fucking snoring?
	Hello?
	Are you snoring, bro?
	No.
	My turn to talk.
	Chat, what do we do here, bro?
	We can't have people snoring on the show, man.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	All right.
	And then your girlfriend over there is also snoring.
	I'm not snoring.
	I'm giving you a yellow card.
	I'm giving you a yellow card.
	Okay, fine.
	When you get the red card, everything here.
	So, hold on.
	Where's the fucking dunce cap?
	Hold on.
	Oh, God.
	You get to wear this for five minutes because you snored.
	That's your punishment.
	Yellow card, yellow card.
	Punishment.
	Literally getting kicked out.
	And, but hey, you're on warning because I have a red card ready to go.
	So, okay, where was I before the fucking we're talking about gender roles or guns?
	We moved on.
	I was asking, I think, the other panelists, if anybody else wanted to weigh in on barely fit on my head.
	Interesting how that works.
	Nobody?
	Come on, you got something.
	I think your yes or no questions don't properly encapsulate what goes on.
	I don't think I'm expecting a lot from a man in this case that I can.
	Let me interrupt you super quick.
	Do you see the cop, the helicopter on her head?
	Actually, I'm going to have Bella do it.
	Bella, I need to spin her helicopter for me.
	I can spin it.
	Spin it.
	No, Bella's going to do it for you.
	You got this, Bella.
	All right.
	Bella.
	Bella.
	Nice.
	Okay, sorry.
	Continue with your point.
	I apologize.
	You're good.
	Yeah, I think that it's nice to pay on a first date, although I wouldn't expect it.
	And I would go on a second if it went well if I was to pay for the whole thing.
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	No, you're fine.
	Behind the scenes stuff.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	My apologies.
	Yeah, I just think I'm not expecting that much more out of a man in this case than I expect from myself.
	I think like the relationship I'm in right now is pretty even.
	We've like talked about it, and I think he said like he thinks he's maybe like spent $200 more than me in the relationship.
	And we've been together for a while.
	So chivalry is nice.
	It's not expected.
	Providing is nice.
	It's not expected.
	So.
	Well, look, I'll absolutely grant that there are relationships that are pretty equitable.
	But I don't think that this is the majority of relationships.
	I do think that there is a tendency to place certain more chivalrous, traditional gender roles on men.
	Just because there are examples like yours where don't deny it, 100% the case.
	There's absolutely like super egalitarian relationships.
	Although I would probably say, like in terms of who front-loaded the initiative, like who made the first move?
	Was it mostly him?
	Yeah.
	Like he asked you out.
	He approached me.
	He approached you.
	Did he plan the first date?
	He did plan the first time.
	Did he pay for the first date?
	He did pay for the first page.
	So even with you, you're very, it sounds like you're very egalitarian person.
	But at least during the initial stages of the relationship, it did play out in a more traditional way, I guess you could say.
	So I would point that out.
	But again, I just, what are the shoulds that we can place on women?
	Sure, go ahead.
	I feel like when a guy, when you said gender roles, like they open the door and stuff, I feel like they enjoy doing that.
	Like, I don't think they expect anything.
	But why have we propagandized women to not enjoying their traditional gender roles?
	Oh, sorry.
	I didn't mean to cut you off if you wanted more.
	I just, so what exactly would you say in this day and age is our gender role?
	It's just like laundry and food.
	Oh, I mean, there's a whole bunch of different things.
	I mean, there's a whole bunch of different things.
	But if we were looking at specific actions, you could say some of the household duties, absolutely.
	This obviously would manifest itself more so when people are like living together pressers.
	So like for right now in our age, like if they just were both making our own money, both doing school, but not like having a full job and living together, I feel like just opening the door and doing those chivalrous things are just kind of like, I mean, it's your boyfriend or girlfriend.
	I mean, that's what you should just do.
	That's a fair point.
	There's not, there's not a whole bunch of things that women can do early on.
	I mean, one of the key things would be at least being feminine, I suppose, and being submissive.
	But women, I think, want to reject being submissive.
	But what is realistically being feminine in like the dating phase of a relationship?
	Because, again, about this outlandish example.
	So, like, realistically, like.
	I feel like bowing was also not a great example for today.
	Yeah, like, what are most men that women can do in the dating phase to like reconcile the different standards?
	Yeah, so as it relates to the bow, I don't think I understand that it's unique, but the essence of like the underlying essence of it, it's not something that just coalesced out of the ether.
	Like, there is some greater component to the bow that is rooted in a more submissive dynamic.
	And this idea that you in the bedroom?
	No, it's not even a sexual thing.
	It's this idea that women will defer to male leadership.
	So, there's this component of dating.
	And women say they want men who are decisive and take action and are leaders.
	I've heard that, and look, maybe not all women.
	By the way, everything I say, it's not all men, not all women.
	Just want to throw that out there.
	General principles here.
	Can I add to that?
	One thing.
	Hold on.
	One thing.
	And so you'll have women who say, Well, my boyfriend just constantly, I'm like, he's like, I ask him, what do you want to eat?
	And he's like, oh, whatever you want, babe.
	Like, they'll dislike that sort of indecisiveness in men.
	But I think that women want men to be leaders.
	To have like that nature, right?
	That nature to them.
	But I see a lack of women willing to be followers.
	Because I can't lead somebody who there can't be a cooperation.
	Like she, if she's going to be like mutinous or maybe that's a crazy word, like have a mutiny or some shit.
	I can't lead somebody that's not willing to follow.
	So if you want to follow my lead, if you want me to be a leader, then you want to follow.
	Followers.
	Which means you need to defer to my leadership.
	But the leader-follower relationship is not the equal dynamic that you're advocating for.
	I'm not advocating for equal.
	But where I would say, in terms of like women being just as chivalrous as men, like equal expectation.
	But that's I get what you're saying.
	So you're saying like, okay, like women want men to have like this kind of decisive leader nature, right?
	And like women should have the nature that corresponds to that of being like kind of followers.
	And I think that like women being like kind of having like a soft, gentle, caring kind, I think that nature that women can have, which is reasonable.
	I think that that's something that like I'd be willing to do in a relationship.
	I think that's reasonable.
	I think, and that's like the underlying nature, I guess you're pointing out behind bowing, if I'm not wrong.
	True.
	Like the submissiveness.
	So I don't think there's anything wrong with, I can agree with women, like the expectation of women having that nature, so long as it's not something weird like bowing that I wouldn't be comfortable doing.
	So I think that's how women could correspond to the expectation for men.
	Right, but I don't see women doing that.
	For example, I mean, even the things that you would expect even deepen the relationship.
	You want to get married.
	That's super traditional, but hyphenate.
	Keep my last name.
	Kids hyphenate.
	And if the man I'm with like talked to me and was like, oh, I would really prefer it if you took my last name.
	Again, earlier I didn't say I'd outright refuse to do that.
	But it would be a conversation, right?
	But it's, again, like, isn't that healthy to have a conversation about that?
	Well, it seems like again women's roles are negotiable here.
	So for example, for the women here who said men should pay on first dates.
	Hold on, hold on.
	For the women here who said men should pay on first dates and that's your position, you're going to have a massive issue if the guy wants to negotiate that role.
	He's like, hey, I know I asked you on the first date, blah, blah, blah, but like, how do you feel about going 50-50?
	Some women might be okay with that.
	I feel like a lot of women are going to be like, you want to negotiate?
	Like, you want to have a con women are not going to tolerate the, but hold on, let's negotiate.
	Let's have the conversation.
	Or it's like, babe, I want to negotiate if I'm going to protect you.
	I want to negotiate the protection.
	I think taking a man's last name is a bigger action than a man opening a door for you.
	That's like your name.
	That's like your identity.
	That's kind of a bigger thing.
	Sure.
	I agree.
	Which is why that's more of a conversation than like little acts of chivalry that I'd prefer.
	Well, hold on.
	I mean, that's one comparison, but if we're looking at like, I would argue the total act of being a provider is a way bigger ask than the woman taking one day to go to the courthouse to apply to get a name change and doing the corresponding.
	Okay, you got to change some shit with your bank, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
	It's really not that difficult.
	In my life, I don't expect a man to financially cover all my needs.
	I plan to cover my own needs too.
	Didn't you say you want to take some time off when you?
	Yeah, and in return for that, I'm going to be raising a child, right?
	Yes.
	So that makes up for that.
	That would be one of your feminine duties, which I said is acceptable for there to be feminine duties.
	Right, but it seems like there's a complete rejection of some of the more traditional dynamics.
	Like, for example, when the guy proposes to you, you said, do you want the guy to propose?
	Like, should he be the one who proposes?
	Should he get down?
	Ah, here we go.
	This is the perfect one.
	Should man get down on one knee to propose like you wouldn't want?
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Answer the question.
	I mean, that's kind of like the image of a proposal.
	The tradition, right?
	You wouldn't want a guy to just Daniela, just throw it at you, hits your head.
	You wouldn't want that.
	I would want that.
	You want a guy to just catch.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought you meant kneeling.
	I'm engaged now.
	I thought you meant kneeling.
	I would like it if a man like kneeled.
	Yeah.
	Got down.
	But that's something that is common and expected.
	You know what's crazy?
	That's something that's interesting.
	Getting down on one knee is way more submissive and like bitch made.
	Is it really?
	Oh, yeah.
	Do you think a man?
	Getting down on one knee, please, will you marry?
	It's way fucking.
	If you propose to your wife one day, would you?
	Wait, she's laughing because she's like, wait, hold on, that makes sense.
	But it's way less.
	It's not really submissive.
	Would you, okay, question.
	Would you rather bow or would you rather get down on one knee?
	Get down on one knee.
	Then bowing.
	Yeah, because bowing is like, oh, like you're my master or some weird shit like that.
	Like getting down on one knee, like, that doesn't have the same connotation.
	It's just to like show that you care and like your intentions.
	If you do it so casually, then it's like, oh, it's not.
	I just slide that shit across.
	I think it's a big ask.
	We're engaged now.
	Well, I mean, if that's your relationship with each other and then you know each other that well, then I guess.
	Oh, how about this?
	How much should a guy pay on the for the ring?
	Like if you just bought, like, this is from Amazon, right?
	Like 10 bucks.
	Would you guys be happy with a $10 ring?
	I would.
	Okay, well, my point is that I love rings.
	I don't care how they love it.
	Okay.
	I'm willing to take on a degree of feminine duties so long as the man is willing to be aware of the power.
	Who are you talking to, by the way?
	You've just been looking down here the entire show.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	I was just saying, I think it's acceptable for women to take on feminine duties the same way it is for a man to do that.
	And it doesn't have to be like a complete set of things that you have to do on both sides.
	Okay.
	Can I chime in on something?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	Okay, so with the traditional male roles, I can kind of see what you're saying on the topic of like there's not a lot for women to do outside of living with one another.
	Like in order to do someone's laundry, you kind of have to go to their house and do that.
	Like that's a lot more work than just opening the door per se.
	Well, I believe the girl should bow.
	Or sorry, not bow.
	Well, she should do the laundry like first date.
	What?
	First date?
	Are we going to date to the laundry room?
	No, no, like, well, okay, let me refresh.
	The first time the girl comes over to my house, she should do the laundry.
	I feel like that's crazy.
	That's so valid.
	But it's not that important.
	If I go over to the water, you want to do it.
	You want to go do it?
	The laundry?
	You want a bunch of people.
	No, but like, why your laundry?
	Why not you do your own laundry?
	Because you know what?
	You know, like how when you can take the hat off, by the way.
	I mean, I'll like to keep it on.
	It's cute.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let me clip it.
	So I'm just like, if it's your own laundry, it's fair for you to just do it yourself, right?
	Look, a woman will.
	Not get your girl to do it.
	A woman will fold laundry with love.
	And it's just when I put that t-shirt on that she folded, it just warms my heart.
	And I, you know, it's better that the woman does it.
	So do your laundry, but let your girl fold it.
	No, well, look, I'll be nice.
	I'll be nice.
	So I'll put it in the wash and then maybe I'll put it in the dryer, but she folds it first time.
	Second time, though, she does the whole thing.
	Because I'm a gentleman like that.
	Okay, now that sounds better.
	Bella, you had a strong reaction there.
	No, I just into the mic a little closer.
	Sorry.
	I think it's funny.
	It's funny because it's true.
	Private chat.
	Private chat.
	Okay, hold on.
	We have some chats coming through.
	We're going to stick.
	We're going to come back to this convo, though.
	Can you read this one for me?
	Sorry, Brian, but bowing for a woman is insane.
	That act in itself would ruin the gender polarity attraction.
	Submissive behavior from a woman is attractive, not the other way around.
	Massive L-take.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Blake donated $200.
	Ephesians 5:22.
	Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands as unto the Lord.
	1 Timothy 2:12.
	But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
	The thing is, though, is I don't think any of the women here are Christian.
	I am.
	You're Catholic.
	Well, I was a.
	Wait, hold on.
	Christian.
	You're Catholic, you're Christian.
	What's a non-Catholic?
	Oh, you're both Catholic.
	I was baptized.
	What, yeah.
	I was Catholic, but I used to be a Buddhist and then I practiced Hinduism.
	Fuck yeah.
	Yeah.
	I love that for you.
	You were the best Buddhist ever.
	Anyways, we have more chats coming through, but hold on.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on, let me try to find that again.
	Where is it?
	There's more chats coming through.
	Where was it?
	Ephesians 5:22.
	Wives, submit yourselves onto your own husbands.
	And by the way, like, you guys won't take your husband's last name, but you're Catholics.
	I didn't say that.
	You said you want to hop in.
	I said I would hyphenate it.
	I wouldn't know because I'm 20 in college and don't have to say that.
	But scripture is clear, Columbian survey.
	I wouldn't get married.
	I wouldn't.
	It's outdated?
	A little bit.
	A little scripture, I guess, or whatever.
	Or not even, really.
	It's just outdated.
	Everything changes.
	Well, isn't marriage just outdated?
	Just don't get me.
	Are you religious?
	Yeah.
	Am I?
	So I have very pro-Christian sentiments, but I'm actually agnostic.
	Oh, yeah.
	I get agnostic.
	I think you're agnostic.
	That makes so much sense.
	Okay, cool.
	That's crazy.
	Why do you take that as a bad way?
	Like, I wasn't even saying it.
	I think Christianity is a massive positive force.
	What the fuck?
	But my belief isn't there.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Maybe one day it will be.
	But at this point, I'm agnostic.
	On my word.
	I was pretty open-minded.
	Like, in the sense.
	Oh, go ahead.
	In the sense that, like, you're kind of a skeptic or like you're open to other beliefs being possible?
	Or like, what kind of agnosticism?
	I know some people think of it differently.
	So I guess just the belief, the actual belief in God.
	Like, I don't, my, maybe it's something that'll come to me eventually.
	But in terms of the actual, like, the benefits to society as it relates to Christianity, I think really good.
	Very, I think Christians are great.
	Don't have any issue with it.
	But part, and you know, it's interesting.
	Part of being a Christian is you shouldn't lie as a Christian.
	So it would like benefit me in various ways to claim I'm a Christian.
	But until I actually have the belief, then I would never call myself a Christian if I don't actually believe.
	That's it.
	But maybe one day it'll be there.
	But yeah.
	Do you have any other support or like positive sentiment with other religions?
	Just out of temperature.
	Do I?
	I mean, I probably have some favoritism towards Christianity just because it's more familiar to you, maybe.
	Sure.
	Perhaps it's more familiar.
	But I think the actual doctrine itself.
	And by the way, I'm not like a theologian, so I'm not an expert.
	But the actual compelling to me than other religions.
	So if you found religion one day, it'd most likely be Christianity.
	Yes.
	What about Judaism?
	Because Judeo-Christian values kind of go hand in hand.
	They're pretty different religions.
	They're like super different.
	But there's some.
	I mean, yeah, but I don't want to like get into like criticisms of different religions and stuff or whatever.
	But if yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyways, okay, wait, we had to get back to the oh, the last name thing, last name, Christian, Catholic, but also won't be submissive.
	Wait.
	What?
	Go ahead, Bella.
	You got this.
	We believe in you.
	Bella.
	No.
	I think vowing is.
	Oh, sorry.
	I'll let you come in.
	Sorry for the delay, dude.
	Sorry for sorry.
	I'm going to be weird things for women, such as vowing during a proposal.
	Wouldn't a woman wanting to bow occasionally for the man she likes and respects be considered a lovely and romantic thing to do?
	It would.
	It would be it.
	Would it make your heartbeat a little more, like that kind of romantic?
	Or like, is it like a, ooh, it feels good?
	The truth, you know, honestly, the truth is, I don't actually care for the bow.
	I can tell.
	It sounds like you do, though.
	I want it, but it's not necessarily because I'm like, I must have this.
	It's a temperature check for, like, even if she were just to verbalize, oh, yeah, I'm totally fine with the bow.
	Like, I would absolutely do it.
	If she showed enthusiasm there, I actually like probably, like, if she doesn't do it, I'm not like, I don't care.
	But it's a temperature check for, is she going to be submissive to me in other ways?
	Is she going to defer to me in other ways?
	If she won't defer to me on this, she's not going to defer to me on pretty much anything in the relationship.
	So it's like a bow if you care about me kind of thing.
	Or like, no, not even.
	It's just, I want to see the willingness there.
	And like, if she's not willing, then I'm going to be questioning, well, what else is she going to fight for?
	Well, that's a better intention, like, just to see like their devotion.
	Like, I get that.
	But if it was to like show an act of submission, like, forceful, like, in that kind of sense, then I think that might force a woman's subject.
	Well, I feel like a submission thing is like, oh, you're like, I don't know.
	I feel like it kind of alludes to maybe that kind of dynamic.
	But, yeah, I don't know.
	I feel like the intention is important.
	So it's like, if that was the case, then I think a lot of people would give maybe different answers.
	Same, yeah.
	Okay, we have Pasty George here.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	He's got a crush on it.
	I think.
	It's cool that you question CK and the events surrounding him, as well as other things.
	But the feminism that you clearly are infected with is going to be your downfall.
	I think the feminism I believe in is women having agency over the decisions they make and pursuing what they want to pursue.
	And I don't think that's going to lead to my downfall.
	We have another one from Pasty George, and then another one.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	A man getting down on one knee to propose marriage to the woman he is in love with is a traditional humiliation as well as a submission ritual.
	And that's just one of many.
	What do women do?
	There's nothing wrong with that.
	Women's children.
	Are they?
	I mean, I would want to in my relationship one day.
	I'll get you in in just a sec, Bella.
	That's like the whole thing with the children.
	No, we can't just skip over you, Bella.
	Have you donated $200 to the Catholics on the panel?
	Did you go to Mass this morning?
	I asked.
	I was going to go to church, and then I said it was at 7, and then you guys said I wouldn't be able to make it.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, same thing.
	Also for home.
	But I went last Sunday.
	That's fine.
	I met the Pope.
	Like, just a little bit of wrong.
	Wait, like, the.
	Well, he let me know.
	Wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	You're talking about the Pope of the Vatican?
	What other Pope?
	Oh, you met the Pope.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I thought you were talking about like a local priest or something.
	Okay.
	Moving off of that, though.
	Really quick question, though.
	You said, you know, you've never really done anything with guys.
	You're a virgin.
	Are you waiting until marriage?
	I'm waiting until I see that kind of commitment.
	Where it's like that kind of devotion.
	Like, I want that in any sense of dating.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There was a chat just before that went away.
	Yes, I'll have you read it.
	Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
	Chair one was asking what men want.
	Most men want non-feminist, submissive, home-oriented, like cooking, low body count.
	Chair five's ex-boyfriend's mom was spot on about her.
	All of them are toxic, except for chair nine.
	All of them are toxic.
	Are you guys going to allow that?
	I think if a man wants a woman who is home-oriented and has a low body count, that's okay.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	I can accept that.
	And then, can you read this?
	Nobody wants a gender.
	We want a real woman.
	Men are willing to give you their whole world.
	Why can't you give that back?
	A bow is the least that we ask for if you're bringing nothing to the table.
	I think value is relational.
	If you add something to a man's life and he adds something to yours, you're both inherently valuable to each other.
	So I don't think women are bringing nothing to the table in a relationship.
	Thank you for the soup chat.
	Appreciate that.
	And let's see here.
	We had, oh, Bella, you had something.
	Go ahead.
	I forgot.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Hold on.
	I want to double check.
	Was there another one that came through?
	I feel like we had one that.
	Shit.
	Did we miss a hundred?
	Did we read this one from Dave?
	Yeah, we read that one.
	Did we read it?
	Okay.
	Kablask, I promise you we're going to get the champagne.
	I just, I got to finish up a few more things related to this because it's all related, but I promise I'll get it.
	We have a couple chats here.
	Sorry, this one's below the threshold.
	Then we'll do 100.
	I'll have you read the 100 one.
	Oh, wait, maybe I did pull this one up earlier.
	Go, Brian.
	Thank you for that.
	Oh wait, we might have, did we?
	Do you want to just read it?
	I think we might have pulled it, but whatever.
	We did read that.
	And then did this one come through?
	Are you sure we read that?
	I think we did, yeah.
	Okay.
	And I might have.
	Who is this?
	Who sent this one in?
	It's coming in.
	Just sorry, guys, for the delay.
	$200 TTS.
	Read 100.
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	coming in uh can you read this one from andrew tate would you falsely accuse accuse a man of Would you falsely accuse a man of for there's a grape emoji, but it's not showing it.
	Oh, for $100,000, for a million dollars, what about, oh.
	What about if you could go back in time and stop Donald Trump for becoming president?
	I would not falsely accuse a man of rape for any amount of money.
	That's disgusting.
	Or even going back in time and Trump wouldn't be president.
	I mean, if there's a way for Trump to, I mean, he got Democratically elected, so as much as I don't like him.
	That's like misinformation.
	Why are you not?
	No, no, no.
	Sorry.
	He got quoting that.
	I just don't like Trump.
	Okay.
	But anyways, he got Democratically elected, so I wouldn't go back in time and prevent that from happening.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Would you.
	I wouldn't never.
	Can I just have you scoot into the table just a little bit?
	Yeah.
	You wouldn't what?
	I wouldn't never falsely accuse someone.
	Okay, even for money.
	Even a million.
	Okay, what about you?
	Falsely accuse.
	Wait, accuse someone?
	I literally just got back.
	Would you falsely accuse a man of SA for $100,000?
	No.
	A million dollars.
	To prevent president.
	To prevent Trump from becoming president.
	Okay, what about you?
	No.
	No.
	Nothing?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So to prevent Shrent from coming president, I'm like, he's already a felon.
	So what does that even make?
	Law fair.
	New York State law fair.
	And it was petty financial shit.
	I'm just saying he's already a felon.
	So what good does that make if he raises it?
	I choose to make it.
	Oh my God.
	Why do you got to go there?
	First off, no, he didn't.
	So you're saying he's an autofelon?
	All 34.
	So you're saying he's an autofelon?
	No, I'm responding to her.
	She says Trump was never convicted of rape.
	She won the case.
	It was a civil case.
	Massive lawfare going on against Trump.
	He wasn't convicted of rape.
	As far as I'm talking about.
	Well, he wasn't convicted of rape.
	He had 30 charges.
	It were like financial.
	He forgot to, I don't know the details on that.
	It was completely fucking political theater, lawfare.
	There's some like financial, I don't know, what was it, Nick?
	He paid for something or didn't do proper accounting on some shit, whatever.
	So would you say Trump has never sexually harassed or assaulted a woman ever?
	Well, I couldn't say that definitively because I don't know.
	But there has to be signs point to yes.
	Okay, what prevents somebody from accusing you of having like been a pedophile?
	Signs point to yes.
	Nothing, but I'm saying there's a lot of claims against Trump and there's a lot of charges that have been brought up.
	Do you realize Trump is like the most hated man in the world?
	And like I wonder why.
	Yeah, well, so there's himself about the colours.
	There's massive amounts of political motivation.
	Do you think people just don't lie?
	What is that pointing to?
	People will murder people for like totally political.
	Billionaires are never good people.
	People will absolutely lie about a bunch of things.
	If it's politically expedient to like make a false claim about a politician, we saw this happen with a bunch of politicians.
	And it happened with Democrats too.
	But as it relates to Trump, as it relates to Kavanaugh, these claims, like if you actually look into these cases, and look, there are valid claims of these crimes.
	But if you look at these specific allegations, these are like happened 20, 30 years ago.
	And the claims are so ridiculously vague.
	It's completely lawfare.
	These women are politically motivated and they're kind of mentally unwell.
	So, okay, most politicians don't have as many charges and claims about relating to like.
	Donald Trump is the preeminent politician for the past decade.
	Most presidents haven't had that many charges and claims relating to sexual harassment and assault.
	I'm just talking, hold on, hold on.
	Let me just one point.
	There's a massive political machine that wanted to do pretty much everything they possibly could to ensure that President Trump could not become president again.
	Massive, massive political machine to do it.
	So they tried to assassinate him more than two times.
	It was twice, but I think maybe even other attempts.
	So, look, we don't know the truth of what happened here, but if you actually looked at the specific person you're referencing, and then especially if we look at this Kavanaugh thing, I don't know if you recall what happened with the Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, massive political incentive to lie about this.
	As far as my understanding goes, and that I'm aware, there was a woman who brought a charge against Trump about him.
	A civil claim, which, by the way, the threshold for evidence.
	So in criminal cases, it's beyond a reasonable doubt.
	The threshold is far lower.
	Not to mention, who knows, the jury selection in New York.
	Massive political interest in making sure this person was prosecuted.
	So, or not prosecuted, excuse me, found guilty of this.
	Like, would you acknowledge that somebody could be, well, in civil cases, it's found liable, I guess.
	But even in found guilty for criminal cases, I don't think they use the term guilt in civil cases.
	Would you agree that you could be found guilty of a crime, but not have actually committed the crime?
	Like, is it possible?
	Yeah, false incarceration happens all the time.
	Exonerations all the time.
	We see this all the time, especially if this is something that's important to you.
	We actually see black men frequently thrown under the bus by white women who either experience regret or social shame for having had a consensual sexual encounter with a black man.
	There's all kinds of reasons why these fake allegations are made.
	There's also allegations.
	Sure, there are.
	Absolutely.
	This crime is absolutely something that happens, but we see a disproportionate impact on black men, for example, where they've been in prison for years and years and years, and they have their life ruined by a false allegation of this sort.
	I mean, again, like when it comes to Trump, I'm just like when I'm considering, okay, what could be true?
	And I see a large amount of claims brought up against Trump regarding sexual harassment, sexual assault.
	And I've also heard the statements he's made, like, oh, grab them by, you know, that kind of thing that he said.
	Also, like, the weird stuff, he's the weird ways he's acted towards women.
	Actually, in the high school I went to, they had like a school trip where they visited like a Trump convention and he like touched one of the girls slightly inappropriately and it became like a whole article.
	Oh, you'd have to point to Joe Biden being a fucking creepy weird.
	Yeah, I don't like Joe Biden.
	I don't like Joe Biden.
	So that's definitely not something that anyone.
	But like when I'm evaluating, okay, what kind of person is Trump?
	And I see the amount of these claims.
	I've seen his statements and I've seen his behaviors.
	Oh, that's kind of the direction I go in evaluating that.
	Like there's an overall pattern.
	There's an overall trend.
	Okay, but I think you would need to provide, at least me, you need to provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
	And these civil cases, the level of evidence required is very, very low.
	There's massive political and shut up back there.
	There's massive political incentive to get this guy, muddy this guy's name up.
	It's a political hit job.
	This happens on both sides of the aisle, these political hit jobs.
	It's a really effective way to tarnish somebody's reputation.
	It's been done on both sides of the aisles.
	Trump obviously has like a massive bullseye on him.
	So ultimately, nobody was really there when this happened.
	I personally, after having extensively reviewed the actual complaint and actually hearing like this woman explain everything that's going on, there's like inconsistencies in her story.
	She doesn't seem totally there.
	There's massive incentive for this to be a political hit job.
	I also do believe he probably did something.
	It's like he probably hid at some point.
	There's no evidence.
	There's no evidence for it.
	The evidence I'm pointing to is just the amount of claims that have been brought up against him, the things he said and his behaviors.
	It points to the fact that he's likely made women uncomfortable.
	Well, hold on, making women uncomfortable.
	Sexually harassed.
	Isn't a crime.
	Sexually harassed woman.
	Okay, but now we're shifting the goalposts here.
	First, it was Trump's a rapist, which, by the way, wasn't even true in the civil case.
	He hasn't been convicted of any sort of criminal offense at all related to any sexual assault.
	There was a civil case.
	Again, the burden of evidence, it's way lower.
	What is it?
	A preponderance of the evidence, preponderance of the evidence, massive political bias in the New York, I believe, is in the New York state court system.
	So did that not happen?
	Did he, for sure, definitively not?
	It's unfalsifiable.
	I can't definitively say one way or the other if it happened.
	But in terms of like, do you believe in innocent until proven guilty?
	I mean, like, when it comes to- Hold on, you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, like the bedrock foundation of the American justice system.
	Sure, I do.
	Okay, it seems like you don't.
	But like when it comes to like sexual assault, I think it is important to believe victims.
	It's important to believe.
	Like if a woman comes forward and says she's been sexually assaulted, I think she shouldn't be like ignored.
	I think I think it should be explored by, hopefully she goes to the police.
	Right.
	And hopefully the police does a thorough investigation and there, you know, but why would you immediately jump the gun to should be believed?
	Well, again, like I would advocate for what you're saying that that should be investigated and explored.
	So your own personal standard is not innocent until proven guilty.
	I believe in okay, hold on.
	I believe in innocent.
	Again, I'm not saying straight in your mind.
	I'm not saying the person she's accusing is definitively guilty, but I'm saying that that should be paid attention to and investigated.
	And that you shouldn't immediately.
	Okay, so we're on the same page about this.
	If a woman brings a claim that something's happened, absolutely.
	The police should do a thorough investigation.
	I think she should go to the police.
	I don't think going to social media should be your first, you know, that shouldn't be your first go-to.
	I think you should immediately go to the police for the sake of if there's any like DNA evidence, absolutely.
	That should be like the first thing you should do.
	Try to do it immediately.
	Right.
	But that's what I mean when I say like giving victims a chance.
	Do you think all women who make these allegations, they should always be believed?
	Like it's always true?
	Well, it's not technically always true.
	Like a woman could lie about that.
	Okay.
	Which is why it needs to be investigated and explored, which is where we're on the same page.
	So I don't see like why you're arguing against me right now.
	Well, you brought it up.
	I'm asking if your own threshold is you believe in innocent until proven guilty.
	In this case, she brought it to a civil court.
	And even in the civil court, he was not found liable for rape.
	There was some other low-level thing that he was found liable for, but it definitely wasn't rape.
	What was it?
	I'm just curious.
	I don't know the exact, I forget the exact thing, but it definitely wasn't rape.
	I think there was some, look, he was found liable for like what some other form of SA or something.
	And you're kind of just dismissed.
	Are you just well, it's factually true that the totally, totally unbiased New York justice system and the jurists in that jurisdiction, they did find him liable.
	They found him liable for sexual assault, which means they.
	By a preponderance of the evidence.
	By a preponderance.
	Okay, well, wasn't your whole thing about like courts finding someone liable for something that is beyond reasonable doubt?
	She said that he did something.
	That's the extent of it.
	And they found evidence, which is why he's liable.
	Where is the evidence?
	Well, I mean, I don't know the exact court case, but if he was found liable for it, there must have been evidence.
	What she said he did.
	Do you think that that's a good threshold for finding someone liable or guilty of some sort of sort of evidence if he was found liable for that?
	What's the evidence?
	Well, again, I don't know the exact court case.
	Okay, but if you want me to believe that somebody has committed like a really severe thing, I want some degree of evidence.
	What woman is, like, what evidence is a woman in that situation supposed to have at that point?
	Like, if it happened to her, was she supposed to like take photos somehow?
	Like, what?
	Oh, I mean, like, not waiting three decades before making a complaint, waiting until it was perfectly politically convenient and expedient to only bring this claim when there was some political motive.
	Okay, look, well, what you're saying is that we don't know exactly what happened.
	Sure, we do.
	And I can say that too.
	But again, I wouldn't default to the man did it absent evidence.
	The reason I'm saying that it's likely that Trump has sexually harassed or sexually assaulted a woman at some point is because the amount of claims that have come against him, the things he said, and his overall.
	They can bring it to the police.
	And if the trust me, there's plenty of jurisdictions where the prosecutors would absolutely love to prosecute Trump for various sex crimes.
	They would love to do it because it would be politically expedient because there's massive political bias and mostly.
	He lived in New York State the majority of his life.
	Democrat state, Democrat prosecutors, massive prosecutors.
	Why can't they prosecute him?
	I don't know.
	Maybe for lack of evidence.
	Have there not been presidents with lower approval ratings than Trump and like politicians with lower approval ratings?
	Like even in other countries, most politicians don't end up having that sheer amount of claims up against them.
	You would have, I mean, look, I'm not aware of every single claim that's been made against him.
	What we can judge based off is the singular civil case that there was.
	But as far as I'm aware, there's been more claims and accusations brought up against him than just that one civil case.
	Okay.
	And so if there's many claims of something that come out, then that points to that fact that it could potentially be.
	Okay, okay.
	So if a bunch of people, like if I, in some political cabal, was scheming and doing a conspiracy and we're like, you know what?
	Shauna, is that Shona?
	Shona, she's politically dangerous.
	She, we cannot allow Burr to come to political power.
	We're going to slander and destroy her reputation.
	We're going to do every single thing we can to try to paint her in such a way that the that will taint the opinion and view of her.
	And we're, you know what?
	I'm going to get 20, 20 men to say that you grabbed their tushies back at back at UCSB 30 years ago.
	So just because a lot of people say something, like said that they happened, does it mean it actually happened?
	It doesn't mean it actually happened, but when you have a lot of, okay, what I would say to that is that there's been a lot of politicians that people want to plot against and want to take down and who people hate.
	And this is not, it's like the way that things have happened with Trump has not happened in other instances that I've seen.
	Yeah, Trump is a bit of a wild card.
	But there's massive.
	There's massive political incentive.
	And he's, hold on, sorry, sorry, sorry.
	Oh, my God.
	Peyo's going to be pissed.
	He raided me 12 minutes ago.
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	Oh, Brian, you did not.
	Yo, Peyo, I don't know if you're still in the chat, man.
	Thank you for the raid.
	I apologize.
	I was in a heated debate about Trump and all this stuff.
	So thank you for that, man.
	Thank you, Peyo.
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	Well, I would like to, honestly, I'll finish off on this thing, but I would like to bring it back to dating.
	You kind of shoehorned this in here when it was kind of like completely really just this secondary, irrelevant thing.
	If the will of the people, like for example, if the majority of the United States population, hypothetical here, is against abortion, then clearly, like, you're fine with that then.
	So long as a majority of the country wants their political will, then you can't have any counter opinion.
	Are you asking me if I believe if, can you rephrase that?
	Well, you're doing this appeal to the majority.
	So it, or not even the majority, you're saying, if there's enough people that believe this, appeal to consensus.
	No, no, if there's enough claims of something, then it potentially.
	Like, there's a bunch of people that are pro-life.
	I'm assuming you're pro-choice, right?
	I'm pro-choice.
	Okay, that's political opinion.
	These are accusations of a crime.
	That's kind of different.
	I'm saying if there's a lot of accusations of a certain crime brought up towards someone, and there's also certain statements that they've said that kind of align with that in some way, then it is likely that part of that could be true.
	Hmm.
	Okay, so you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty then?
	Well, that's not what I'm saying.
	There's, I mean, I would even argue that this would be actually the fact that there, I would argue that it's actually damning for your position.
	This idea that there's so many claims, so many claims, yet not one prosecutor who would have massive political incentive to prosecute him.
	Not one prosecutor has been able, has brought, has even tried to prosecute him.
	Not one prosecutor.
	This would actually be a problem.
	Have you seen how powerful Trump is?
	He can like, he could defend himself very well.
	Like he can access the, like, you think he can pull strings himself too?
	Okay, that's fine.
	But in New York, where I would assume he lived there for most of his life, that would probably be the jurisdiction for most of these claims.
	I think it would actually bolster my position, your argument, that there's been so many claims, but why hasn't anybody actually pro there's been actually zero for his entire life?
	No women have brought, I get that some women wait or whatever, but for so many, wouldn't you expect, by the way, rape has absolutely been prosecuted in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s.
	So yeah, some women don't feel comfortable going to the police.
	I get that angle, but you'd think if there were so many claims, at least one of them would have opted to have pursued a prosecution of him that didn't happen at a really politically convenient time.
	It's not that easy.
	It isn't that easy when the figure is as powerful as Trump is.
	I don't think that's it.
	Explain to me how Trump's power would preclude you.
	How would it preclude you from going to the police?
	What's he going to do?
	I don't have anything to do with Trump.
	I'm just saying it's not that easy to like.
	I understand it can be absolutely difficult after experiencing a trauma to go to the police.
	And perhaps, you know, that can be difficult.
	I get that.
	But women do do that.
	And you would think, according to her, there's all these cases of accusations.
	perhaps at least one of them would have done what other women do, which is to immediately go to the police, even if it was one out of 20.
	But it's interesting to me that...
	So all of the women waited three decades?
	Yeah, because like I didn't immediately go to the police when it happened.
	I was scared.
	I was in panic.
	Sure, that absolutely.
	I don't deny that that happened.
	And it also happened in high school.
	I didn't want to be looked at as the girl that got assaulted by the rest of my life.
	How do you hope to keep rapists accountable if you won't go to the police?
	That is the mechanism by which we can prosecute and punish rapists.
	I understand that it's a difficult thing to go through, but any other crime knew he wasn't going to get punished.
	He was the number one football player on his team.
	He was not going to get punished.
	So you think football players just because they can.
	I'm not just saying just football players.
	I'm just saying like any dude.
	Look, just to be clear, rape is a fucking disgusting crime.
	Rape is a terrible crime.
	It should never happen.
	I think we should actually have stricter punishments for these kinds of crimes.
	I wouldn't rule out the death penalty for proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
	I wouldn't rule out the death penalty for a rapist.
	However, you need to go through the appropriate channels if you want to hold these people accountable.
	So, given that there's not been enough definitive evidence that's come out soon enough, and women who've gone immediately to the police when it comes to Trump, do you think that all the claims against him, like all the people?
	Wait, let me ask my question.
	It's unfalsifiable.
	I'm asking, do you think it's like all like some kind of scheme to take him down and it's all politically incentivized?
	Are you willing to acknowledge that perhaps at least one of these women are politically motivated?
	Could have been.
	Okay.
	But I hope you're willing to acknowledge that at least one of them could be to some degree true.
	I don't know.
	It's possible.
	And I don't know if it's possible to say.
	At least from my own perspective, I would believe in the burden of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt.
	Beyond a reasonable doubt.
	And so far, no jurisdiction.
	Okay, and I'm not saying he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
	I'm saying that there is a decent chance that he has done something.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I'm glad we're on the same page about that.
	Do you think that there's a decent chance that he could have committed something in the list of claims that he's been accused of?
	No, I wouldn't say there's a decent chance.
	I would just simply say I don't know.
	It's possible.
	Women have made accusations, but to me, in terms of my own perspective, that doesn't reach the at least the burden of proof that would satisfy me to believing something.
	What do you think about the statement he made that I mentioned earlier?
	Like, grab him.
	Yeah.
	Disgusting.
	Completely gross.
	Do you think that's someone who maybe has sexually harassed women in the past would say?
	Do you think those that statement and that action could potentially have some overlap?
	Logically, that wouldn't compute whatsoever.
	Really?
	So just if a man said, grab her by the pussy.
	Do you think, like, is the action of a man grabbing a girl like grabbing a woman in that way, is that sexual hate?
	Hold on.
	So, again, I think it's a really gross thing to say.
	I would never say something like that.
	That wouldn't be evidence that he's ever raped somebody.
	I'm not saying it's evidence.
	I'm obviously not saying it's evidence.
	I don't think you should.
	Yeah, terrible thing to say.
	Do you see how those two things are kind of somewhat maybe have a correlation?
	If a man says, grab him by the pussy, you know what?
	Like the action of groping a woman.
	A man says, grope a woman.
	That's not, no, that's not what he said.
	You're being disingenuous.
	What did he say then?
	What was that?
	What was the exact quote?
	It said they let me.
	They let me.
	Yeah, completely disgusting thing.
	Disgusting thing to say.
	Locker room talk or whatever.
	Super gross.
	I would never say it.
	Why is it disgusting?
	It's just a gross thing to say.
	And do you think it's kind of like violating towards women's?
	Do you think it's possible somebody can say that and has never grabbed a woman by the pussy?
	It's possible, but do you think it's more likely that someone who says something like, do you think it's more likely that a normal person would say that or someone who sexually harassed women would say that?
	Which is more likely?
	The two, which is more likely?
	Let's say there's a person who has never sexually harassed a woman, just a normal person, right?
	And let's say there is someone who has sexually harassed a woman.
	Who is more likely to have said that?
	Logically, it doesn't make any sense.
	That does make sense.
	It doesn't make sense.
	Is someone who has groped a woman more likely to say that statement or someone who has not groped a woman?
	I don't know.
	I genuinely can't answer.
	I think you're refusing to answer it.
	I'm not refusing.
	Okay, well, I'll say that.
	I can't definitely say that.
	I think someone who has groped a woman is more likely to make that kind of disgusting statement.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	You're switching it up here.
	The claim would have to be, has somebody very disingenuous.
	I see strange.
	Disingenuous.
	No, no, no.
	The claim would have to be, has somebody who said X, are they more likely to have groped a woman?
	You want to do a reversal, this very, you're very rhetorical sleight of hand there.
	You want to say, is somebody who's actually committed the sexual offense, are they more likely to say X?
	That's not what I'm arguing.
	Let's get on the same page.
	I don't think my question was that distinctive.
	No, no, no, no.
	I just don't think you like it.
	I think it pokes a hole in what you're saying.
	How?
	Because all I'm asking, like, okay.
	Bro, can you not keep bringing it to like you do realize we're having a conversation and you like had to throw in, by the way, Trump's a rapist.
	Okay, we can move on.
	Isn't this a debate?
	Yeah, but it's like I wanted to talk about other shit.
	We were talking about it.
	I mean, you've been engaging in that conversation too.
	So if you're not going to be able to do that, but I can't just like if you just throw out a first off, it's false.
	Your statement was false.
	Like, can you walk it back?
	Okay, take a chill, Paul, honey.
	Are you mad at me?
	I was just trying to.
	I'm a little frustrated just because it's not fair to the rest of the guests that we've been bogged down.
	Okay, I'm happy to move the topic along.
	Yeah, but I would at least, like, factually, you're incorrect.
	Insane.
	You said he was found guilty of rape.
	He wasn't found guilty.
	From my understanding, I think that he has been.
	You corrected that.
	I'm not, I'm willing.
	If he's not been found guilty of rape, I'm willing to backtrack on that.
	He hasn't.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Do you want to move on from this talk?
	I don't want you to get too heated.
	Do you want to attack, Brian?
	No, I'm good.
	I didn't mean to make you angry.
	I thought we were having a conversation.
	Well, it's just, it's, I wouldn't say I'm angry.
	It's just like a sort of a frustration.
	Because he's like, bro, let the topics move on.
	Like, we don't.
	Well, because we were talking about it and then like a little side thing came through and you want to like, like, if somebody forwards, I feel like it, it would not be fair for me to just allow somebody to assert such a serious claim without confronting it.
	Like, if you throw out something that's an accusation, I feel like I have some duty to counter misinformation.
	Okay, the way I phrased it before, the way I meant to phrase, I'm trying to speak like very gently right now.
	The way I, I'm aware I phrased it.
	I don't care about your tone.
	Okay, what I believe I said is that to my understanding, Trump was found guilty of rape because that's what I believe.
	That was what my understanding was.
	You believe in fake news and misinformation.
	You can Google this after the show if you want to send us a message, be like, look, I Googled it.
	Not the case, unless you want to take my word for it.
	Not found guilty by either a civil or criminal court of rape.
	Do you dispute this?
	I'm not disputing that.
	Again, my overall stance with Trump and all the claims was that he's probably done something that aligns with those claims.
	I mean, that's a really dangerous, slippery slope moving away from innocent until proven guilty.
	How do you determine the truth?
	Yeah, Brian, like, my question is: do you have these sources to back up your statement?
	Yeah, there was literally the actual determination by the judge.
	There's a literal judge.
	Yes, the judge made the determination that he was not found liable for rape.
	Yeah.
	There's no criminal prosecution of him.
	He wasn't found criminally guilty of rape.
	A judge under his administration, of course.
	No, it was a Democrat judge in New York.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You want me to pull up the actual fucking if you like to.
	No, I'm good.
	Throughout that conversation, I did not.
	Okay.
	Throughout that conversation, I did not keep asserting Trump definitively raped this woman.
	I did not keep asserting.
	All right, that's fine.
	We'll move it on.
	Blaze donated $200.
	Question for the ladies.
	Have you ever provided a man oral sex and let him finish on your face?
	If so, why would you do that but be against the boat of the man, which is clearly less disparaging?
	Yeah, this is an argument.
	Thank you for pointing that out.
	We're still going to do the champagne pop.
	I apologize.
	It is interesting.
	Like, my argument with the bow: women will refuse to do the bow, but they'll do all kinds of various sex acts with men.
	They'll let a guy come on their face.
	Like, just, hey, look, whatever.
	People can do what they want to do, whatever.
	You're into that as a woman, whatever.
	But it's like, won't cook and clean, won't bow, but will let a guy will like let a guy come in the back of your throat after knowing him for an hour.
	Like, you guys will acknowledge like massive hookup culture in college, whatever.
	I don't know.
	That's just kind of weird to me.
	Yeah.
	I think it's pretty weird too.
	Well, no, it's, I mean, look, people can do whatever they want to do that, but it's like, object to the bow, but let a dude come on your face after knowing him for like three hours.
	It's like, okay.
	You know?
	Gross.
	Okay.
	Is there a question there?
	No, just echoing what the chatter had to say.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	In short, a lot of men nowadays, especially Western men, do not want women infected with feminism and are tired of being demonized, humiliated, and falsely accused by strong, independent women.
	Oh.
	Word.
	By the way, sorry for the delay on these guys.
	It was, you know, a little back and forth there, so I wasn't paying attention to the messages coming through.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Many U.S. taxpayers in America were counting on Trump to cut all funding to Israel, but he didn't.
	And instead, he traveled to Israel and kissed the Western Wall and then gave them more funding.
	Oh my god.
	All right.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Thank you for the message.
	Thank you for the message.
	Question for you: Do you think a prosecutor, if they ever withheld any blue collar man?
	I need to go to bed.
	I look forward to listening to this in the morning.
	Thank you, man.
	I love your show, Brian, and I love you, brother.
	Here's an extra hundred to put Kirk's picture in the middle.
	I don't actually.
	Where is it?
	Well, I'll just, I don't want to get up and we'll leave it there.
	We'll leave it back there for now.
	But thank you, man.
	I do appreciate it.
	Thank you, man.
	There was like 30 potential scandals under Obama's administration, including the Big Benghazi one.
	So should all the Democrats involved go to prison like Hillary, Obama, Biden?
	Huh?
	I mean, are these like, I don't know what these electrical scandals are, but I understand what your question is, my guy.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	I don't know if Trump is guilty of what he is being accused of, and I don't really care.
	But I will say that he does have a lot of money and has financially elite connections.
	And me, why would you ask that question?
	The first list, if you don't care.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Pasty George.
	Appreciate it.
	Were you going to ask me something earlier?
	I don't think so.
	I mean, I did want to finish up.
	Can we just be cool, though?
	Because I sense a lot of frustration coming from your direction.
	No, I'm totally fine.
	You're not mad.
	I was a little frustrated there, admittedly, but I've already moved on.
	I'm not upset.
	Are you mad at me?
	No, really.
	I don't like.
	I wasn't even trying to be frustrated.
	I was just giving my honest opinion.
	No, no, I didn't mean to offend you or anything.
	No, no, I'm not offended.
	It's more so just it's more so just I think somebody sent a super chat in and then it I feel like we derailed a little bit there.
	But I felt like if somebody throws something out there, sometimes there's just certain things I can't just be like, I have to address certain things.
	No, I understand.
	I just earlier you were saying like, oh, I'm trying to keep it on this topic.
	Yeah.
	I'm not letting things move on.
	Sofa underscore king underscore high donated $200.
	Ladies, fit check.
	Question for Brian.
	You often ask the girls what they bring to the table, but what do you bring to the table?
	Okay.
	All right.
	First, we'll do the fit check.
	If everybody wants to, I guess, stand up and show the fit, I guess.
	We can do that.
	A little fit check.
	They want to know what you guys are wearing.
	That's beautiful.
	If you're wearing some Chanel or fit check.
	Oh, whoops.
	Didn't mean to press that.
	Spin?
	Should we do spins?
	You guys want to spin?
	Show the whole fit?
	Is there room?
	I guess not.
	Okay.
	Sweet.
	Okay, whatever.
	Sit down.
	I'll answer the thing really quick.
	What do I bring to the table?
	I have some notes here.
	I'll just read them off my notes.
	What do I bring to the table?
	Her chair is.
	It's what?
	It's like on something important.
	Uh-oh.
	What's going on?
	Her chair was caught on the other chair.
	Oh, okay.
	It's fun.
	All right.
	What do I bring to the table?
	Let's see.
	Tall, six foot one, blue eyes.
	Although, I wouldn't say looks are the primary thing I bring.
	I'm pretty average looking, which reminds me we have to do the looks rating.
	I think I have my head on fairly straight.
	Don't drink.
	Don't smoke.
	Don't do drugs.
	Don't go to bars, not clubs.
	Don't party.
	Don't gamble.
	Unless you consider crypto gambling, I guess.
	Financially successful to the point that whoever I'm with long term will never have to work a day in their life, which I think very few people will ever have to do, or excuse me, will be able to do.
	Just the economic reality that we're in.
	So whoever I'm dating long term won't have to work.
	Ambitious, go-getter.
	Strong work, very strong work ethic.
	Creative problem solver.
	Decisive.
	So if you ask me what I want for food, I'm never going to be like, oh, I don't know.
	Whatever you want, babe.
	I'll be like, I know exactly what I want to eat.
	Let's see.
	Yeah, those are just a few things.
	There's probably more.
	Yeah.
	King.
	Yes.
	Yep.
	Period.
	Period.
	Okay.
	Moving on.
	Let me see if there was other chats or something.
	No, I think we're good.
	One sec.
	Okay, we're all caught up on chats.
	There were so many things we had to get to.
	We kind of touched on the bow.
	I want maybe duty, that condo.
	Wait, work car.
	Oh, let's do the champagne pop.
	Let's just do it right now.
	We'll do the champagne pop.
	Do you want champagne?
	Who here is.
	Wait.
	You're 23?
	Yeah, but you guys are already blasted, so I don't know.
	Me.
	You're 21?
	Yeah.
	You want champagne?
	Yeah, I'll champion.
	Okay.
	Everybody else is under 21.
	It's just me and me homegirl.
	We're going to get lit.
	Honestly, just get me one cup because.
	Are you crazy?
	I can't.
	You can be?
	She's like, give me the alcohol.
	No, we can only give it to people who are 21 and up.
	Shit, what was the other thing we had to do?
	There was the bow.
	What was the other thing?
	The looks.
	Damn, they wouldn't.
	Thank you.
	Okay, those of you who are single.
	Good question.
	What does it actually mean to be single?
	Because, like, a lot of y'all are single.
	I get to solo.
	Like, is there a guy in the picture for you?
	Like, there's no guy in the picture?
	Oh.
	No.
	I get to solo travel more.
	Yeah, let me start on this side of the table.
	Is there a guy in the picture?
	There's no guy in the picture.
	I mean, for me, right now, being single just means focusing on other aspects in my life, on myself, on my education, that sort of thing.
	All right.
	No guy.
	Not even like yours.
	I've been here two weeks.
	That's enough time.
	Shit.
	Oh, so I should have bagged some.
	I mean, I've like talked to guys at like parties, but like.
	Oh, no.
	I'm not really interested.
	Scared me.
	Okay.
	I know, right?
	I didn't think it was going to go.
	All right, so it's just me and Homegirl over there drinking.
	I can also drink.
	Hello.
	You are already.
	Sorry.
	I can't.
	I can't.
	I must be a responsible.
	I'm not responsible.
	Felicity, I want you to get up to give it to her, okay?
	Go around.
	Don't pass it, please.
	One moment here while we do a cheers.
	I guess I'm just fucked dude.
	Kablask.
	I'm not going to drink the whole thing, but thank you, man.
	I don't really.
	The only time I drink is if we do a champagne pop on the table.
	All right.
	And you're single.
	Any guys in the picture?
	No.
	No.
	No?
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Single?
	Guys in the picture.
	Bella, guys in the picture?
	I'm single.
	Guys in the picture?
	Oh.
	Can you speak into the microphone, please?
	I have no guys in the picture, and I'm single.
	How long have you been celibate?
	Celibate.
	Yeah, celibate.
	So you know I don't like labels, but yeah, I've been alone for two years.
	So you've been celibate for two years?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	By celibate, I mean you haven't had sex in two years.
	That's how you define celibacy.
	Wouldn't that be abstinent?
	Okay, no.
	Kind of the same.
	If you want to get technical.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Bella, all right.
	Or wait.
	No, you've been dating a guy for two weeks, right?
	So, okay.
	Not single.
	Not single.
	All right.
	No guys in the picture, Daniela?
	Nothing.
	No.
	Nothing?
	Wait, is anybody here in a sorority?
	No?
	Nobody?
	Nobody.
	Okay, all right.
	We're going to do a cheers.
	I know some of you don't have alcohol.
	True.
	We're going to do cheers if you guys.
	Salu, cheers to Kablask.
	Thank you for the champagne pot.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Cheers.
	Is anyone getting drunk?
	Can I reflect?
	That's probably.
	I think that one hasn't been drinked.
	It's just.
	Or you can just drink from that water.
	It's a fresh water.
	I'll just.
	Felicity, could you grab the hat?
	We're going to take it off the table.
	Okay.
	Oh, here.
	Looks rating, since it's topical, I guess.
	Or was there anything left with the bow?
	Let me just see if there's anything here.
	Oh, the laundry.
	Really quick.
	I think first time the girl's over at my place, she should do laundry thoughts.
	If that's what you want from a woman, then go find a woman who wants to do that for you.
	That's great.
	Exactly.
	But is it a bit much?
	Bit much?
	You're entitled to your preferences.
	That's okay.
	Okay.
	Like, if you're not.
	But is it a bit much?
	Like, from a bird's eye view, are you like, you know what, Brian?
	Personally, I wouldn't be into that, but there's other women who might be, and I'm sure you'll find one who does that for you.
	Let's say this was your dream guy, and unbeknownst to you, unbeknownst to you, you didn't know he wanted this.
	So the first time you go to his house, he's like laundry.
	He's probably not my dream guy, then.
	Not your dream guy.
	Just could have been the one, but you won't do his laundry.
	Could have been the one, won't do his laundry.
	Okay.
	I mean, once we get, once we start dating, if he wants to be due to his laundry, I can do that for him.
	Daniela, you had a looked like you had a reaction.
	Well, I just think that's like, you gotta be like so forward to say that.
	Like, you know, that's not, oh, here, my mom does this.
	This is my first time meeting you.
	Do the same.
	Like, it's, I don't know.
	It's so romantic, don't you think?
	Maybe if you're dating.
	Isn't it romantic for a girl to do a guy's laundry?
	I think it's romantic.
	If they didn't, would that be fine?
	Oh, man.
	They hate me.
	What?
	If they didn't, would that be fine?
	Like, you're saying that's your preference?
	Is that like a honestly?
	So, okay, first time the girl comes over, right?
	And she didn't do it.
	That's a deal breaker.
	I don't know if it's a deal breaker, but I'm very disappointed.
	I don't think I'm so disappointed.
	I'm like, I gotta read.
	I gotta be thinking, because here's me, right?
	I have no interest.
	Like, if I'm interested in a woman and we're taking those steps, I'm going on a date with a girl.
	Like, a lot of guys will move like this.
	They just want pussy.
	My motivation when I'm dating a woman, I would never waste my time or spend my time just pursuing a woman just to get sex.
	Like, if I'm dating a woman, I want there to be continuity and I want there to be long-term.
	Now, of course, just to be clear, look, sometimes you meet somebody, things don't work out, whatever.
	But I am assessing this person for long-term compatibility.
	I don't think, what if they just don't want to impose themselves on your mom?
	She can impose.
	Please impose.
	You should let them know that then.
	Impose.
	Most people wouldn't think that.
	If that's your preference, you should let that be known because otherwise no one's going to start using your laundry.
	I don't even have to ask.
	I'll just be like, you can look.
	If you want to be a scoundrel as a guy, you could do it a bit more like, oh, first time she's at your place.
	You can do something like this.
	Be like, forgot to do my laundry.
	Shit.
	I really got to do it.
	I wouldn't do that.
	Altogether, I'd probably be Bonnie.
	I'm super upfront.
	I won't be devious about it.
	I'll just be up front.
	But as a guy, you can be like, you know what?
	And first time, you know, you should be nice.
	It's already in the dryer.
	It's already dry.
	She just has to fold it.
	What do you say specifically?
	Like, what are the exact words you say?
	Non-verbal.
	Bella's going to love this one.
	I'm just like, I'm really romantic, right?
	So I'll take her hand and I'll be like, let me give you the tour.
	I don't give her the tour.
	I just walk straight to the laundry room.
	I look at her, look at the machine, the washing machine, look back at her, look back at the dryer, and then I walk out of the laundry room.
	And then it's just like.
	What's the success rate on that for you?
	So high.
	Really?
	So high.
	Like, what's the ratio on that?
	They love it.
	They love it.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Oh, my goodness.
	They're just like.
	Are these all the one for you then?
	Like, how many girls are doing this?
	Are they all because I'm I have had more than one woman fold my laundry?
	How do you meet them?
	So how do you meet these women?
	Oh, you know, just the usual like the usual.
	Tinder.
	I haven't been on dating apps in a long time.
	They spoke.
	I'm banned from all.
	I mean, I'd say, look, I'm banned from all of them.
	So I have like normie.
	I have a bunch of normie dating experience.
	I have used dating apps.
	But honestly, I feel like I want to.
	Maybe my advice is unique.
	Like the majority of women I've dated in the past, I don't know, three years or whatever, they've all reached out to me.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Some women I've pursued, but most of them, they reach out to me.
	Very chivalrous of them.
	Through like Insta DM.
	Yeah, like they just, I don't know, they watch my show or whatever, and they're like, wow, I love this toxic guy.
	Oh, they're like, I love how toxic.
	They love red flags.
	I like that.
	Yes.
	Yeah, so I mean, almost prior to that, every single relationship I had, I was the initiator pursuer.
	But I mean, I'm in a unique position where I'm like somewhat out there publicly or whatever.
	So, yeah.
	But, you know, that's, you know, it's a privilege that women have that you guys don't like to let on because I haven't had sort of the experience.
	There's like a lot of leverage if the person's coming to you.
	And that's like the default setting for women.
	The guy's trying to get, you can kind of dictate the terms a little bit.
	If the guy's trying to get with you, like you can kind of set the standard.
	You can be like, I want this and I'm this and I like that.
	I feel like girls flirt back too, no?
	What's that?
	Like girls like flirt back and like also give guys the signs.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	They're interesting.
	Sure, but there is a dynamic that exists when it comes to dating where it's kind of like the pursuit the men are pursuing.
	Yeah, more so.
	And like this applies to business too.
	If somebody comes to me and says they want to work with me, like we want to sponsor you, I'm in a way stronger negotiating position and I have way more leverage than if I'm like reaching out to a brand and I'm like, hey, I want to work with you guys.
	So that's kind of like how dating is a little bit.
	Because men are the initiators typically and women are a little less proactive, you have like a bunch of options you can pick from.
	You can kind of dictate terms a little bit.
	You can be like, you know what?
	Yeah, it's nicer, isn't it?
	It's super dope.
	But I feel like I don't mind if women initiate.
	And by the way, women can initiate and you can like initiate and then just immediately defer leadership back to me.
	Like you can just be like, hey, what's up, Brian?
	Yeah.
	And you're cute, whatever.
	The men does the rest of the thing.
	And then I'll take care of the rest.
	I feel like a lot of men, like, they take some like pride or like they kind of enjoy doing that, right?
	Because you're saying it's like this burden kind of.
	But I think some men enjoy it a little bit.
	Yeah, sure.
	I think some men, some men definitely do, maybe a lot.
	But like, I think if men could trade, for example, like if the roles reversed a little bit, at least in this dynamic, if women were just like throwing themselves at men.
	Oh, men like that, don't they?
	Men would take the trade.
	Men would so take the trade if like all you women were just like trying to fuck me.
	Like that's what it is, right?
	Like all these guys are trying to have sex with you.
	And just to be clear, they probably also want to date you too, right?
	I'm not trying to be.
	I don't know about that here.
	Well, maybe that's a fair point, especially the children.
	When guys are age, like, I don't really think they initiate.
	Guys, our age.
	I've only really been hit on organically by older guys, not ever guys my age.
	Well, that's because women said, leave us alone.
	Women said, no.
	I would love to meet a guy organically.
	And I don't, I'm not going to be able to do it.
	Here's the thing.
	Want the guy that you're attracted to to do that.
	But in order, and look, yeah, it's obviously you want attractive men to hit on you.
	But part of the deal was there are going to be guys who you are also interested in who are going to hit on you.
	But part of that deal also means that there are going to be guys who you're not attracted to who are going to hit on you.
	And for you, as women, that's going to feel awkward.
	That's going to feel uncomfortable.
	I don't mind it personally.
	You might even be like, creepy.
	Because here's an interesting thing.
	And by the way, I think, just to be clear, let me preface.
	There's creepy behavior across the board, regardless of how attracted you are to the guy.
	But I would also say certain things said or done by a guy who you have attraction to, yeah, give him a bit of leeway.
	Like you, like the same stuff that you would deem creepy if like a guy you weren't attracted to said it, if the guy you are, like, do think is attractive said it.
	You'd be into it.
	You'd be like, I'm into this.
	Yeah.
	It's pretty privileged.
	Although, I will say, like, an unattractive man hitting on you, there's nothing creepy about that if he's not doing anything really bad.
	Well, although I would say, even if the guy isn't doing anything like clearly creepy, like I think we can all agree, regardless of how attractive the guy is, there is some stuff across the board would be creepy.
	Right.
	Right.
	But I do think more behavior will fall into the threshold of creepy if you're not attracted to the guy.
	Like certain behaviors that you will deem creepy wouldn't be creepy.
	I mean, I guess I'm repeating myself at this point.
	No, I get it.
	I think that's kind of unfortunate, though, if it's not done with like in a creepy way.
	Yeah.
	So, and I think even if a woman is approached by a guy who she thinks is good looking or whatever, I think women, even then, can still have like a bit of a hesitancy, even in that situation.
	I don't know, like a bit of a defensiveness to them.
	I don't know.
	I think it's like flattering sometimes, actually, even if it's like an unattractive guy.
	Yeah.
	If he goes about it the right way.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We have a chat here.
	You can read it for us.
	Oh.
	Chair one is swimming in opinions and drowning for facts.
	That is a dangerous cocktail to have, and it needs to be pointed out.
	Sorry.
	Cheers, Brian.
	I think there's nothing wrong with having opinions.
	I guess.
	For the perfect guy.
	For the perfect guy, would any of you fold his laundry the first time you go to his house?
	Perfect, yes.
	I mean, how perfect could he have been in that short time you've known him, right?
	I've done that for guys that weren't even perfect.
	My ex-boyfriend.
	Yeah, girls will do a lot of things for even like retrospectively.
	You're like, damn, I did all that for him.
	I mean, do you not want to help him and like make him feel taken care of?
	But at this point, you've only gone on one date, so how perfect.
	You don't know him.
	Yeah, but here's the thing.
	Like, if he's not giving me the equal amount of care, then why should I fold up your clothes if you're not going to fold up mine?
	That's my opinion.
	But wouldn't this just be applied to like why?
	Like, plenty of women would not pay for a guy's date.
	So then wouldn't the logic there be like if you're looking for perfect reciprocity?
	Like, I don't think it's a weird double standard.
	Well, I guess technically it would be a double standard, but I don't think it's like weird if a woman says, I would never pay for a like fully pay for the bill for the man on the first date.
	But her standard would be, or her preference would be for the guy to pay the bill on the first date.
	So there are just certain things like men do, women do.
	Did you have something, Danielle?
	I'm sorry.
	Not Danielle.
	I apologize.
	That's Daniela.
	We haven't said my name this whole time.
	It's okay, man.
	It's wait.
	Kira.
	That was going to be my second one.
	Brilliant.
	I think it's just super strange to me.
	Like you would not do.
	Like that's the type of thing you do for someone when you like live with them.
	Like it's just why like I would I don't know like I would buy my friend coffee.
	I'd buy my friend food.
	I would not like do my friend's laundry.
	I would not have them do my laundry like that.
	You know, it's like not even saying that has to be the same thing.
	That's just so out of the question.
	Like if you're not like habitually like seeing them yet, you don't you can't assess if they're perfect.
	Like I think like the hypothetical is that like you already know they're perfect.
	Like I don't I honestly think first day is kind of a lot to fold someone's laundry.
	But if I know like if I already know they're perfect then I'll feel like I've done it for guys that are illegal.
	But like my perspective.
	Oh, sorry.
	Go ahead, Danielle.
	I've done more for guys and girls in terms of I've paid for my friends all the time and not gotten anything back.
	I've done their laundry, done their bed sheets, sent emails.
	Like I've done a lot.
	And I like it's not at my expense.
	Like I like doing these things.
	So it depends on the person.
	Like then I wouldn't like care about the connotations.
	But I think it depends.
	For first date, I'm thinking like that's like the first or second time you've met the person.
	But like if it's the first time you're going over to their house and it's like how Brian says, I forgot to fold my laundry.
	I think I honestly probably would be like, oh, do you want help?
	Yeah, like in a casual sense, it doesn't have to have like those connotations like, oh, like women do laundry.
	You know, it's like, okay, like, sure.
	But I can understand the sentiment.
	So I think it's per the person and situation that like determines that.
	But if they're perfect, I would.
	I just, I don't know if I'm at, I'm even asking, I don't think I'm asking for anything all that crazy.
	It's not that much.
	It's not really that much.
	Well, because from my perspective, I'm like, if we get along and you're going to be my girlfriend, I'm going to be taking care of everything.
	And then like long enough down the road, you'll never have to work a day in your life.
	So.
	Is the laundry thing like really important to guys?
	Because if it is, even I'd be willing to fold a guy's laundry.
	I just didn't even know.
	Wait, can I just have you straighten your mic like to the top of it?
	Yeah, perfect.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I was just saying, like, I didn't even know, like, because you keep stressing this thing about girls doing laundry.
	Is it like very important to guys or is it something that they all really want?
	Well, I'm unique.
	It's like, it's like your thing.
	Yeah, it's my thing, I guess.
	Like, look, I think honestly, most men, if you're pleasant, and I mean, it depends if they're like religious guys or whatever.
	But like most men, make them some food, be pleasant, have sex with them.
	Most men, like 97% of men are going to be happy with that.
	I feel like men really don't ask for all that much.
	I mean, be like, you know, they have to be attracted to you or whatever.
	That's part of it.
	But I don't know.
	I just have very high standards, okay?
	Such high standards.
	Don't settle, king.
	Such high standards.
	Just want a woman to, you know, do my laundry.
	I'm going to try that on a guy next time I hang out with him.
	I mean, look, I know you guys hate the laundry thing.
	No, I'm curious about it.
	But you could run an experiment for all of you.
	All of you could run an experiment.
	And it's like, what can you do to get the guy?
	And if I know some of you aren't really dating, whatever.
	Some of you already have the guy.
	You already got the guy.
	Good.
	But if you're struggling to get the guy.
	Hold his laundry.
	Telling you, like, unprompted, the first time you go to his house, if you like, you go in and you're like, Hey, can I help you with anything?
	Can I do your laundry for you?
	He's gonna be like in love, he will fall in love with you.
	He's you've just differentiated yourself from the other women.
	I feel like some guys I know would be offended by that and be like, You think I can't do my own laundry?
	Really?
	Just do it.
	Like, if you see clothes on the floor, just take it to the lawyer.
	Like, some dude got offended that I got paid more than him, and that's part of the reason why we broke up.
	But I don't know if it would, I mean, even if the guy's like, nah, I can do my own laundry, I don't think he would even be like if you just ask, hey, can I do your laundry?
	Hey, oh, those clothes on the floor, can I pick them up for you?
	By the way, guys, don't leave your clothes on the floor, like first time, you know, have your place presentable.
	I want to when she's your girlfriend, she can pick it up.
	No, I actually want to try this now.
	Like, I'm so curious.
	Just as a test, be like, you know what?
	I'm never going to do this again, but one time.
	I just want to see how it goes.
	Maybe something more subtle would be like, make his bed.
	Make his bed.
	Okay.
	Just start making his bed.
	I've always done that.
	Small things.
	Small things.
	I'm just saying.
	If it gets you the guy, like, is it all that much?
	All that much?
	Okay, we have a chat here from our dude, Pacey George.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	I've seen women act weird and bend over backwards for guys that they just met and liked.
	When they got the guys that they liked, they did just about whatever he asked while acting stupid and goofy.
	Okay.
	Submission.
	True, soon.
	All right.
	Yo, Pacey George, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay, let's blast through.
	We have this.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven.
	Starting with you.
	My answer is.
	Are you coming back, Marix or whatever?
	Where's she?
	Yeah, we're doing a segment.
	Can you come back for it?
	Yeah, do you want me to?
	I already did this one last time.
	Yeah.
	I would like your company.
	Yeah, we just want you at the table generally.
	I know you're, I don't know what the fuck you're doing back there or whatever, but we're not talking about politics.
	Sorry about that.
	We're.
	Oh my God, we're all right.
	Well, that's a yellow card for you.
	Fucking yellow card.
	Are you rejoining us?
	Hello?
	What card am I on?
	You already, you forgot.
	I previously gave you the yellow card.
	Yellow card for Marix back there.
	Yeah, that's your warning.
	Are you rejoining us?
	Yes, I'm coming.
	Are you guys like drunk or high?
	Like, what's going on?
	I just have not had sleep since yesterday.
	Can you speak into the microphone, please?
	Well, making an announcement to everyone.
	I have not had sleep since yesterday because I came all the way here from Tallahassee.
	What time did you guys arrive?
	It's like 1 a.m.
	It's like 1 a.m. in Orlando right now.
	Okay, can you scoot the mic that way, scoot into the table?
	What time did you guys arrive in Los Angeles?
	Like here, 3.14 p.m.
	But like before that, I did not get.
	What time did your flight land in Los Angeles?
	3.14 p.m. today.
	So just knowing that you guys flew all the way from Florida, knowing that today you were having a podcast appearance, you guys opted to go be degenerates and party in Los Angeles.
	What?
	I didn't party in Washington.
	How did you know?
	Hold on.
	Did you have a hotel?
	No.
	We're in an Airbnb.
	But you said you didn't.
	It's not as if you flew in today and you left super early.
	You had a hotel yesterday, meaning that you would have had exterior problems too last night too at the Airbnb.
	As tourists, you guys had.
	I am not notorious, okay?
	I've been to different countries.
	No, we brought somebody with us and like they were just causing exterior problems and it was like to the point that you guys had to stay up all night.
	Did you guys go to the hospital or something?
	No, you guys.
	I'm from Tallahassee, my guy.
	Like, that's literally right across the map.
	Right, but you arrived at 3 p.m. yesterday, which means that I don't understand why you're trying to be inspector gadget here, bro.
	Like, I'm just telling you, I barely have sleep.
	Well, your disruptions as it relates to the podcast.
	Disruptions.
	Yes, disruptions.
	It would occur to me that you had ample opportunity.
	Your defense is, we haven't slept.
	Yeah, and I spent most of my day getting ready to be here.
	So you arrived yesterday at 3 p.m.
	What prevented you from sleeping?
	We arrived here at 9.13 p.m., so I'm just like- We arrived at LAX.
	If you haven't slept, then why are you smoking weed in the bathroom?
	I wasn't smoking weed in the bathroom.
	But I smelled it.
	I smelled it too.
	Wait, really?
	Yes.
	I smelled weed.
	I smelled it after one of you walked in.
	I'm not trying to like be me.
	I'm just saying.
	Chat.
	It didn't make sense.
	Okay, well, it wasn't me in the first place.
	Told her.
	Who was it?
	I was sitting on that chair the whole time.
	Who was it?
	I don't know.
	One of them.
	It was one of you two.
	I know.
	I don't think it was any of the other women here who slept.
	Here, hide this.
	Guys, be attentive to this.
	We don't need this right now.
	I know.
	Who smoked weed in the bathroom?
	Was it?
	I smoke weed, but not in the bathroom.
	It's a pen.
	I smoke weed, but not in the bathroom.
	You said you went in there.
	I went in there and I smelled it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, I mean.
	Is that like normal smoke, though?
	She's saying it wasn't her and she's not denying it.
	Was it you?
	I was sitting over there.
	No, this was way early.
	You can literally check my purse right now.
	I don't have the vape on me.
	Like.
	It's like wax.
	It's like a vape.
	It's a pen.
	It's a wax pen.
	It's a wax pen, but it still has a scent.
	Red.
	I see the red card coming.
	Okay.
	I just don't understand.
	You guys clearly, like, even before you got to the studio, you guys were like clearly intoxicated, knowing that you're going to go on a podcast, which, you know, does involve the necessity of having some of your mental faculties available to you.
	You're going to take a sobriety test right now, my guy.
	Okay.
	The tone in your voice, your eyes are bloodshot.
	You guys either drank or smoked or something.
	I don't know why you have to lie about it, but.
	Bloodshot eyes doesn't necessarily mean I smoked or drank before I got here.
	There was also alcohol in your bag.
	Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean we all drink it here.
	Shares three and six are higher on something for sure.
	Like, you don't know me, my guy.
	And they definitely parted to instead of getting rested and ready for the podcast.
	Feminist women avoiding responsibility as you...
	I just don't understand life.
	Like you've been on the show before.
	You've been trying to get back on the show for a really long time.
	You guys flew.
	This is my first time on this show and not people in this predicament.
	I get you.
	You're not talking to me, but you brought me into it.
	Okay, that's fine.
	But I guess my confusion is, is, I mean, I don't know if you guys are planning to do other stuff in LA, but you guys flew from Florida to do the show and you've been back there for like hours.
	I don't know.
	I was only in the bathroom.
	And you're clearly either drunk or high or something.
	I just feel like I couldn't help with the conversation.
	I'm getting so bored.
	Okay.
	This happened last.
	I was only in the bathroom for three minutes.
	So I guess it's a rule that I shouldn't use the bathroom for three minutes.
	You know, part of your boredom probably relates to the fact that you're on drugs or you're drunk.
	And it would occur to me that it's easier to become engaged in a conversation if you're not blasted out of your mind.
	Yeah, I guess.
	I don't know.
	It depends on the conversation.
	You got to speak in the sense of that.
	It depends on the conversation, but I agree.
	I mean, we've been talking about traditional gender rules.
	I know it was political for a bit.
	Fair.
	That was maybe boring for some of the other panelists, but we've also been talking about dating.
	I get that, but we feel like we're being targeted.
	How?
	Okay, is it racist?
	You think I'm like racist?
	I just think that.
	Do you think I'm targeting you because you become drunk and high?
	No, because I went into the bathroom for three minutes.
	Then it wasn't you.
	It was her.
	I didn't say it was her.
	Did you smoke weed before the show?
	Before the show, yes.
	Ah.
	I rest my case.
	Before the show, yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	That's all I gotta say.
	That's more respectable than doing it in the bathroom.
	Exactly.
	I just don't know.
	So I was just like, that's why I was getting heated when y'all were accusing me.
	No, we're accusing your friend.
	I'm accusing both of you.
	Oh, me?
	Dunes.
	Oh, both of us?
	It's just, I don't know.
	It's like a family.
	You flew here.
	It's like, you guys could at least be like coherent for the podcast.
	You're a little better.
	You're a little better than her.
	She looks like she's about to fucking nod off or fucking OD.
	I don't know what it is.
	That's crazy.
	Don't put that on me.
	That's crazy.
	Don't put that on me.
	We do have an Arcan.
	Please get a red.
	Guys, please.
	Look, I'm just saying, bro, it's okay, whatever, whatever, whatever.
	Guys, read 100, TTS 200.
	Crazy.
	All right.
	Moving on.
	We had Stiffler.
	Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.
	Can't pick seven.
	Your answer?
	It's long and drawn out.
	It's going to be a whole back and forth.
	You should probably go to them first.
	How about this?
	Answer me.
	I reject the whole one to 10 thing.
	So you won't rate yourself.
	Yeah, because I don't believe in the whole thing.
	Okay, what about you?
	Eight.
	Eight?
	Okay.
	I want to skip two, but I want to see.
	Whoa, hold on.
	Just to be clear.
	Boy, I really hate to have to kick people off the show.
	You were complaining that you're bored and you weren't involved in the conversation.
	No, but I was.
	I'm going around the table.
	This is your opportunity to be involved in the conversation.
	Participate, please.
	I am participating.
	Answer the question, please.
	Okay, yeah, I want to say 10, but like last time I said 10.
	I mean, not.
	Okay, forget about last time.
	Imagine this is the first time you've ever been on the show.
	Okay, 10.
	Okay, what about you?
	Nine.
	Okay.
	Eight.
	Okay, what about you?
	A 10 as well.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Like a 6.8.
	Can't use fractions or whatever.
	Okay, six.
	Six?
	Okay, Felicity?
	Six.
	All right, what about you?
	I was going to say six and a half, so I'll say six.
	Okay, six.
	All right.
	You want to give the number?
	I mean, again, I fundamentally reject the whole idea of rating looks on a scale of one to ten.
	Okay.
	Which I have my reasons as to why, but I don't want to.
	I agree.
	No, it's okay.
	Well, I mean, it's not political related, so we can dive a little bit into it.
	I don't want to, we won't linger too long on it, but can you give me your plot synopsis of disagreement?
	Basically, I think with societal beauty, like there's societal beauty standards in the U.S. in 2025.
	There's beauty standards in other countries.
	There's beauty standards here from 10 years ago, and that will be different in 10 years, depending on whatever procedure is in trend, whatever Instagram model who uses filters men are obsessed with.
	And like, even if you are people's ideal of a 10, like Megan Fox, Adriana Lima, today now, like those women are receiving like are they zeros?
	Do you think they're zeros today?
	No, they're beautiful.
	I think they're beautiful women still.
	But you're saying that they were like of an earlier beauty standard.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	What I'm saying is, even if you're Adriana Lima, now you're receiving all this backlash of people criticizing how you look, saying, like, oh, why does your body look like this now?
	Why do you look like that now?
	You even have people today saying like, oh, Adriana Guilima, she's like so overly glazed.
	She's so overrated.
	So wait, wait, wait.
	Just to be clear, you're talking about body, right?
	So Adriana Lima.
	Body would be like.
	I acknowledge that there's like, I would argue, like fairly minor changes overall.
	And also, I don't think there's like specifically just one body type that dominates or not.
	Multiple body types can be deemed attractive.
	So you might argue like, okay, well, in the early 2010s, you had that like completely unachievable Kim K, plastic surgery, that whole look, right?
	But I don't think that that would mean that the body type that was also attractive in like the 90s or the 2000s is just now like a man sees a woman who previously would have been deemed a 10.
	I know you reject that sort of analysis.
	They'd be like, oh, she's a zero now.
	I mean, like, I don't think the fluctuation is that severe.
	Some people really don't like women with the Kim K body.
	One thing, though, just does anybody here also, anybody else, because I want to try to bring some other people in, have objections that echo what she's saying?
	Anybody?
	I don't know.
	Bella.
	What?
	Bella.
	Hello.
	That's not.
	Kira.
	Nice.
	I- Wait.
	Daniela?
	No?
	Okay, whatever.
	Yes.
	No, I know.
	Dude, do you agree with her?
	I agree.
	Sentiment.
	There's like a, I just don't like, I just give a number.
	It's like not.
	I'll be back.
	I'm talking.
	Go ahead, Felicity.
	You can take it over.
	But go ahead.
	Continue making your arguments.
	What I was saying is, even if you're what many people consider a 10, you still end up receiving backlash from society regarding the way you look.
	And so there's ultimately no winning in society's eyes.
	That's what I think overall.
	I think beauty is subjective, but there's also conventionally attractive people.
	And you can tell when someone is more attractive or less attractive.
	But that doesn't mean that, like, if I think someone is a 10, obviously not everyone in the world is going to think they're a 10.
	It's about preference and opinion, but there also is like conventionally attractive people.
	Yeah, it's like subjective for the person, but like society as a whole, like can pretty like generalize what that conventionally attractive look is.
	So yeah, knowing that we can all agree that like Megan Fox is a beautiful woman, right?
	But she's not a 10 or the most attractive to everyone.
	Like she's a 10 to many people.
	Yeah.
	No, I'm not saying she's not a modern.
	I'm saying to other people like some people think she's socially.
	Right, so then what is she?
	No one knows because to some people she's a seven.
	To some people she's a 10.
	And we don't have like young Megan Fox.
	People like that.
	Young Megan Fox, I would say she was a 10.
	But you just said some people would say Megan Fox is a 10.
	Yeah, some people would, but I would say young Megan Fox was a 10.
	But then there's no discerning what she really is, given that different people can be attractive.
	More attractive than the average person is what her point is.
	I think I think you can give like your opinion, and I mean obviously within reason, but without that having to be like for certain, like what I say about myself.
	It's like oh, it's whatever, means nothing, like one thing to me, something to someone else, so I don't think it's like it's gonna be different for everyone.
	Question for you, would you?
	Would you date a guy who's shorter than you?
	No, why not?
	I mean, if you look at like women biologically, we on average have like a much shorter height than men.
	So when it comes to men's heights.
	There are men who are shorter than you.
	Yeah, and they're kind of like...
	And they could be good people and have other attractive characteristics, but you wouldn't date a guy shorter than you.
	No, I wouldn't date a guy shorter than me, but I...
	We're not beholden to our biology.
	But go ahead, sorry.
	Continue.
	It's just, I would prefer a guy who's taller than me.
	And even when it comes to height, I'm somewhat forgiving, would argue.
	Like, I look at it based on average height, right?
	Like, the average height for a man is what?
	5'9, 5'5'9.
	I would perfectly, I would like, I'd be fine dating a man who is 5'9, the way I'm the average height for a woman.
	So I think that kind of balances out.
	But can I ask, would there be, would it be a little, even if it's men in school, if he's six feet, is it a little bit better?
	Okay, this is like a whole thing with my friends, but my ideal height for a guy is, I'm not even kidding, like 5'9, 5'10.
	I'm not kidding.
	A lot of girls like tall guys, but like personally, I prefer guys under 6 feet.
	It wouldn't factor in at all for you.
	Like, would it be a detriment if the guy was six feet?
	Not really.
	I don't really care much.
	It's just across the board, 5'9 and up.
	I mean, I would be willing to date a guy who's probably at least 5'7.
	Okay.
	But you are, even if you're willing to date the average, you've just created a hierarchy.
	So I don't care much.
	I don't really care much, yeah.
	Well, you said you wouldn't date a guy shorter than you and preferred 5'9.
	So for example, would it be fair to say that you'd prefer 5'9 over 5'7?
	I don't really care much, but sure, I'd say prefer 5'9.
	I'd say prefer 5'9.
	What about how tall are you?
	5'4 and a half.
	Okay, would you prefer, so 5'5 would technically be taller than you?
	Would you prefer 5'9 or 5'5?
	5'9.
	Okay.
	And even if on your own individual level, like in terms of your own preference, maybe you don't care.
	Yeah.
	But I do think that this is part of the calculus.
	Yeah.
	We all want to confer the best benefits and privileges to our children as possible.
	And it's just in the same way that there's pretty privilege, there are certain benefits to being tall.
	And like society will deem that like you look at, they've done studies on this.
	People who are taller tend to be paid more.
	I don't know if there's, you know, there's debates over the actual correlation or whatever.
	They tend to be women.
	A lot of women have more of a romantic interest in tall men.
	Obviously, other things are important too.
	So even if you yourself on the individual level were like, you know what, from my own attraction perspective, it doesn't change anything.
	You could still do an analysis.
	Like, if I'm going to confer the best benefits to my children, especially my male sons, male sons, wait, hold on.
	My male children, excuse me.
	You'd be like, okay, I want my male sons to be tall.
	Like that would confer more benefits to them.
	They'll move through life a bit, like, even if it's a little bit slightly different.
	I wouldn't really think about that, if I'm being honest.
	Because I overall, like, when it comes to.
	I mean, it's back there in the subconscious, probably.
	I mean, I don't know if that's true.
	I really don't care about height that much.
	But anyways, you've created a hierarchy already.
	Even though I think your position on height is really reasonable, super reasonable.
	But you still are saying, well, I prefer 5'9 over 5'5.
	You've created a hierarchy as it relates to physical attractiveness.
	So that would be Which is different than someone else's type, which is also different from someone else's type.
	Well, but if we universally, women prefer tall men.
	So I understand that, like, probably some chick somewhere wants to date a dwarf.
	Like, me personally, I would get with a dwarf.
	I don't know if I, you know.
	Yeah, okay, so what?
	You know, just to see, just to check it out.
	Uh-huh.
	What you're saying is like, okay, did anybody know, do you know a dwarf?
	Daniela, do you know like a cute female dwarf?
	Personally?
	Yes.
	No.
	I don't know.
	Have you been with one?
	Huh?
	Have you been with one?
	Yes.
	How tall are you?
	Huh?
	I'm just curious, how tall are you?
	Five.
	What's the threshold?
	It's four, nine, and both.
	Four, nine.
	So you could not be a dwarf, but like, you know, I do too.
	I've been trying to get around the show for you.
	Look it up.
	But I don't know.
	You've created a hierarchy.
	Most people are.
	And it's not an objective hierarchy.
	It's what I'm attracted to.
	But it's my individual type.
	I understand that.
	But even yourself, you've created.
	I also put like a man who's 6'2 below 5'9 for my personal dating preference.
	That's totally fine.
	But what I would say is you've gone ahead and created a hierarchy.
	And what we could do, you might object to it.
	What we could do with your hierarchy is be like, okay, well, if we attach numbers to it, and I mean, height is actually a literal measurement, literal numbers.
	We could say, well, okay, you might not agree with it, but we could say, okay, well, all things being equal, of all the other things you care about in a guy, personality, his other looks, whatever.
	5'5, 4, 5'6, 5.
	And we could actually put a number, a 1 to 10 number, on your looks determination.
	Or sorry, your height determination.
	Again, it would dip lower on both ends of the tall and short.
	Yeah, that's totally fine.
	Yeah.
	I don't think that.
	Also, I wouldn't even like to put, just personally, like my feelings on attaching numbers to that is that it's kind of degrading and devaluing a little bit.
	I mean, this is something we all do.
	I understand that.
	Men and women do this.
	And I don't know.
	We would.
	This person's more attractive than this person.
	This person's more attractive than this person.
	To me.
	Or to.
	But so for, I mean, if there were 10 people alive.
	In this place, to this demographic, like it just varies so much that it just becomes so hard to like.
	Well, sure, but I would just be like, okay, the USA standard.
	What's the standard in the USA?
	So if you're asking me to rate myself according to U.S. 2025 conventional beauty standards, like my answer is that I don't know.
	But like, you could rate me if you want.
	I don't even.
	No, I'm typically, unless the women want me to rate them, I don't rate the women.
	I mean, it's not that I'm trying to avoid that question.
	I just genuinely don't know.
	What about this?
	What do you think, not what you would rate yourself, but what do you think guys would rate me?
	I feel like if a thousand men were to rate you, what would the average be?
	All I'm going to base this on is what I've heard myself being rated by guys before, but I've been rated like a seven before.
	Okay.
	Seven or eight.
	A thousand guys, what do you think the average rating would be for you?
	I don't know about you.
	You gave yourself an eight, isn't that correct?
	Yeah, what do you think guys would rate you?
	I don't, I really couldn't tell you.
	Just guess.
	Eight.
	Sure, okay.
	What about you?
	You said you were nine, I think.
	What do you think?
	Seven.
	Okay.
	Eight, what do you think guys would rate you?
	And to the mic.
	Closer to the mic?
	Yeah, I'd say six or seven.
	Okay.
	You said you were ten.
	What do you think men would rate you?
	I rate myself a 10, but most guys would rate me between a 7 or a 9.
	But you're someone's 10.
	And then Bella, what about you?
	Maybe like a 6 or a 7.
	Okay.
	Felicity.
	6.
	What about you?
	6.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Oh, I give myself a 5.
	Give myself a 5.
	Give yourself more credit.
	Like, you're saying you're 5 points deficit.
	My own value.
	You are passing, though.
	50%.
	Well, no, no, no.
	Well, average.
	You're saying you're 5.
	Out of the whole scale, like, half is a bit different.
	Yeah, I think I'm like average-looking guy.
	But, like, why would you want to walk around life with that kind of security?
	It's not confident.
	It's more informed.
	It's more confident.
	Hold on.
	I think it's more confident to be like, I'm a five and accept it.
	Versus, like.
	Wouldn't you, like, if some guy, I'm sure you guys all know a guy who's a little bit too cocky, who thinks a bit too highly of himself.
	He thinks he's hot shit, but he really isn't.
	I think I believe in humbleness.
	I think it's a virtue.
	But I'm not just saying it like just to be humble.
	Like, if I actually thought I was a 10, I wouldn't just be like, oh, I'm a five.
	I wouldn't humble myself in that way.
	I would probably say, if I actually was a 10, I'd be like, shit, I'm a 10.
	But it sounds like you're saying, it sounds like you're saying like, Okay, pull up young Brian.
	Felicity is gooning over here.
	She wants to see young Brian.
	We'll show young Brian.
	Look, I was a little when I was younger.
	What would you rate young Brian?
	Seven.
	Oh, please.
	No, not seven when I was young.
	Brian, how old are you?
	Really pretty.
	Oh, scroll down.
	I know.
	I got fat.
	I'm losing weight, though, boys.
	I'm losing weight.
	It's coming off, down 10 pounds.
	Look, I'm a stress eater.
	I don't drink.
	I don't do drugs.
	I don't smoke.
	That is to you.
	I stress eater.
	I'm a stress eater.
	Scroll down, please.
	Go back.
	Go back down.
	The one with the picture.
	The wetsuit one, scroll up, scroll up.
	In the middle.
	Damn, I was thin.
	Holy fuck.
	Rip.
	But some girls like guys who are like a little bigger and bad.
	I don't care.
	Have you heard that song by Sizza?
	Bring me back to 140-pound Brian, fucking shredded, athletic.
	Bring me back.
	140, 145.
	I was trim, bro.
	I was trimmed.
	Trim.
	Athletic.
	What's your ethnicity?
	Just French or something else?
	I don't know.
	Probably some British, probably some like Southern, like Italian.
	I don't know.
	Mostly French, probably.
	Scroll up, exit of that.
	What about the whatever picture?
	All right.
	Young Brian, I don't know, it's 22, 23.
	Brian looks interesting.
	Yeah, look.
	Aging's a bitch.
	Aging's a fucking bitch.
	They said you're still really attractive.
	But you look just as good now.
	Oh, okay.
	Please.
	Please.
	Are you hitting on him?
	No, I'm just trying to get his to lift his own rating and to not walk around and say he's a five.
	Look, I just acknowledge.
	Well, I mean, this is a different segment where we say, do you think people will be better looking as they age?
	But honestly, like, older guys are cute.
	Like, what?
	Oh, no, I'm not shutting up.
	Oh, I'm not saying that.
	You know what?
	She's the kind of girl.
	She's the kind of girl, like, she wants to argue with her boyfriend.
	She wants to get into political debates.
	Wait, you're kind of right.
	You're kind of right.
	She's like, yeah, let's debate.
	I love a good argument.
	Wait, I was just messing with you, but you really like him, huh?
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I just don't like that he's walking around saying, like, half of me is not up to par.
	Like, I'm only a five out of 10.
	Why do you think he's a 10?
	What the fuck?
	I'm going to start blushing over here.
	This is cute.
	Enemies to lovers.
	That's so cute.
	Enemies to lovers.
	That's not what I want, guys.
	Like, he's getting red.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Like, what do you think makes you a five?
	that's awesome what do i um well first off i'm i'm a little bit overweight Got to lose a bit of weight.
	That's, you know, part of it.
	I used to be super fit, but look, you could probably fight better, though, you know?
	You know, like more inertia.
	Like a bouncer, you know?
	We have to be kind of bulky.
	I mean, if I was like wrestling with the guy.
	I wrestled in high school.
	If I was wrestling with the guy, my weight could be an advantage because it's harder to move more weight.
	So you could be a better protector.
	But no, I'd be, I'd, I would be a better, honestly, I would be a better protector at 150 pounds than whatever the fuck I'm at right now.
	It's, it's.
	It's over 200, which is no bueno.
	Okay, but just like convert that into muscle and you'll be good.
	That's what I'm working on.
	I'm working on.
	Look, I was stressful, period.
	I was stress eating.
	But some girls don't even like guys who are like super skinny.
	Like they like a guy with more meat.
	She's not from me then.
	I don't like she ain't the one.
	But what else?
	I mean, I don't know what makes me a five.
	Okay, that's five whole points off.
	I don't know.
	I'm pale.
	What's wrong with being pale?
	I'm pale.
	I get dandruff sometimes.
	My face is red.
	You don't have any dandruff?
	I don't see any dandruff.
	Oh, head and shoulders have been.
	So it's been working.
	So no points off there.
	Yeah, but it's, you know, whatever.
	I don't know, big nose.
	What did Deutsche Kasha say about big noses?
	I don't know how to articulate.
	I'm a five.
	Why are you insulting yourself?
	No, yeah, stop insulting yourself.
	For me, I don't like it.
	Wait, girls like big noses.
	I don't think it's insult.
	I'm not like insecure, like, oh my God, I hate how I look.
	I'm just like, it is what it is.
	I know I'm not a male model, and that's okay.
	I'm fine with it.
	You can be.
	With some makeup, you can't.
	You can know.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	We have a chat here from the $200.
	Care one, on a scale of one to ten for attractiveness, you are a five, which is average.
	But that's my opinion, and others in the chat will rate you differently.
	And I'm sure they will, which is why it's so hard to discern what I actually am.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Sure.
	You sure?
	I'm sure.
	It's not bad.
	I feel like I shouldn't have said you sure.
	Then she's.
	No, now I feel like it's bad.
	Should I not ask?
	Ask it.
	It's really not bad.
	Ask it.
	Do you pluck your eyebrows?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that was it.
	I was definitely considered less attractive by guys before I started doing that.
	Like, trust me.
	Are you saying that they were caterpillars?
	Caterpillars?
	Okay.
	Why?
	I was just curious.
	Sorry, did I make a oopsie?
	No, it's fine.
	Your eyebrows are, wait, eyebrows?
	Yeah, eyebrows.
	They're fine.
	No, it's fine if you don't like them, that's fine.
	Like, other people compliment my eyebrows.
	So, like, again, it doesn't matter.
	Like, kind of like how I noticed her armpit hair.
	I was just, I don't know.
	You're just pointing out things that you don't find attractive in women, and that's okay.
	No, I didn't say your eyebrows are fine.
	Show me a picture.
	Show me a picture of how your eyebrows are.
	My father was over there, but I promise it was not.
	Your eyebrows are Magnifique.
	Trébien.
	Trèbien.
	Very nice.
	I wasn't saying I don't like them.
	I was just asking a question.
	I'm sorry, did I, have I?
	I just, just.
	I've just put my foot in my mouth.
	Yeah, no, you're pretty.
	Just don't listen to him.
	Well, I didn't say she wasn't pretty.
	You're a very handsome woman.
	Sorry, I'm retarded.
	Sorry, sorry, I shouldn't say that word either.
	Oh my gosh.
	See, this is, I'm my, I am my own biggest.
	Never mind.
	Thanks for your thoughts and opinions.
	I feel like there's nothing I could say now.
	You look like my sister.
	You're really pretty.
	I was just asking a question.
	Do you want to ask me something?
	Like.
	Okay.
	Anyways, rating scale 1 to 10.
	Do you want me to grow them out?
	Which one?
	Oh, you're asking me if I want you to grow your.
	My eyebrows out.
	Let's see if you can see that.
	This one?
	Oh.
	We're not even dating, and she's giving me authority over her eyebrows.
	You know what?
	As the arbiter of eyebrow growth, I don't know.
	You'd have to show me a before picture.
	It was tragic.
	It was really tragic.
	Some guys are into that.
	And some guys are into thin brows, so again, this is why I take issue with the whole 1-10 thing.
	Just make things awkward.
	Yeah, you kind of did.
	What?
	Do you want me to crash out about it?
	I think Brian feels bad because he doesn't want to make you feel bad.
	No, I'm okay.
	Again, I don't base my self-worth based on other people's opinions on how I look.
	Yeah, I think Brian just feels a little bad and thinks he made it awkward.
	No, it's okay.
	You don't have to like my eyebrows.
	I didn't say I didn't like your eyebrows.
	Your eyebrows are great.
	They kind of go with your style.
	I like them.
	I was just asking if you do pluck your eyebrows.
	I do.
	I want to explore.
	You know what?
	I feel like I gotta make a confession.
	Sometimes, you know what?
	Do you have tricho, telomania?
	What is that?
	Like compulsive hair pulling or plucking or whatever.
	All right.
	I'm gonna, you know what?
	Because I feel bad.
	I'm gonna expose myself.
	Okay.
	I. Don't do it, Brian.
	What the fuck?
	Shut up, Nick.
	I get a couple little ear hairs and I pluck them.
	I'm not sure if I can do it.
	Like on the right here, I pluck.
	Okay.
	I pluck them.
	Yeah, good.
	As you should.
	Yeah.
	Clip it and ship it, boys.
	It's just like my personal style.
	That's all.
	I love that for you.
	I'm thinking.
	Yeah, the way you say things.
	I put that.
	Oh my God.
	I feel like I'm guilty of a fucking genocide or something.
	Like, I'm guilty.
	I feel like I haven't reacted very strongly for you to feel so awkward or guilty.
	Like, I think I don't know.
	Am I projecting?
	I feel like I'm projecting.
	No, no, no.
	I just, I don't really care if you don't like them.
	It's fine.
	Like, I love what you, why are you saying that?
	I don't like them.
	I think they're beautiful.
	Aww.
	They're great.
	I just noticed.
	I was just asking a question.
	Okay, moving on.
	Rating people from 1 to 10.
	Why are you looking at me that way?
	Is it just me?
	She's like daggers.
	Daggers.
	I don't know.
	I just spent all this time uplifting him and now he was taking shots in my head.
	I'm not taking shots.
	The whole reason you brought it up is to like.
	Okay, fine.
	I'll pay you a compliment.
	Your nose, 10 out of 10.
	Thank you.
	Give her another one.
	It's honestly.
	Did you get a nose job?
	She's got a great nose.
	That's like God-tier 10 out of 10 nose.
	Wait, I never actually thought that.
	Yeah, look to the side.
	Very nice nose.
	Very nice nose.
	Great nose.
	Best nose.
	Make noses great again.
	Oh, wow.
	I have a big nose.
	Shit, I can tell.
	You do.
	Thank you, Bella.
	It's okay.
	Thank you, Bella.
	This is a safe space.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm so awkward.
	Okay.
	I don't found a safe space.
	Thank you for sharing that.
	Let me say that.
	Thank you for the contribution.
	Come on.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Rating people one to ten.
	I do think that they're so beauty, I don't think is purely subjective.
	Damn, do I grow my eyebrows out now?
	Oh, you made her insecure.
	See, I.
	Oh, it's okay.
	You are beautiful just the way you are.
	I don't think you believe it.
	It sounds like it.
	Maybe you say it differently.
	No, it's fine.
	It sounded a little...
	Do you want to, like, call me fat or something?
	No, I don't.
	To make it equal.
	I don't take joy in taking shots of people's eyes.
	It's okay.
	I'm confident in myself.
	Just call me Chubby.
	Go ahead.
	You're not chubby.
	Call me Rotund.
	Call me Ruben-esque.
	Ruben-esque.
	Call me a big, beautiful black woman.
	Sorry, wait, wait, hold on.
	Big boned.
	Call me.
	Okay.
	Wait, sorry.
	Oh, did that offend you?
	Sorry.
	No, what?
	You just want to offend me how?
	I want to know how you could have offended me.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	What did you want to say?
	My stomach hurts.
	Holy shit, thank you for sharing that.
	I've been wondering all night.
	You know, I was just thinking, I was sitting here this whole time.
	Like, damn, I wonder how her stomach feels right now.
	She.
	And I feel like I can't.
	I can't.
	I don't know.
	I'm not as engaging as I usually am right now.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	What am I dealing with tonight?
	You're dealing with normal shit.
	Wait, did you drive here?
	No.
	But yeah, no.
	So I feel like I'm going to tap out just because.
	Or you could just sit there.
	You want me to sit here?
	Wait.
	Never mind.
	What?
	Sorry.
	Because they told me I had to announce it.
	No, you're fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	You're just going to just enjoy the rest of the show.
	Hold on.
	We have a message here from Pasty George.
	What do you mean, enjoy it?
	Pasty George donated $200.
	Many Western women nowadays are a generic copy and paste of each other who are always insecure, never true to themselves, and always trying to get the top guys instead of the down-to-earth ones.
	Spicy take there, Pasty George.
	Who hurt you?
	Thank you, Pasty.
	Appreciate it.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	W Pasty George, Pasty Canadian, W Kenda.
	Do we have any Canadians here?
	No?
	Okay, I didn't think so.
	Bromwire, I'm not Canadian.
	I've just been there many times.
	Where were we?
	The looks thing.
	Oh, right.
	Yeah.
	You know, I think, though, across cultures, there are like universal things that will be deemed beautiful.
	Like, for example, why even cultures who never contacted each other in history, what is it about a flower that's beautiful?
	Cross-culturally, universally?
	What is it about a sunset that is beautiful?
	There's so many different things, too, because they articulated it so differently.
	Like, it could metaphorically mean something different.
	Like, Do you not understand what I said?
	Come on.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	That made so much sense.
	Like, a sunset can metaphorically be like the end of something, like, you know, letting go of something.
	And then you're stuck.
	I agree with everything.
	I just gave you the opportunity to tap out, and I'm still trying to help you out.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate that.
	Wait, Brian, have you seen that one tribe in Thailand where they like they put rings around their neck?
	I can agree on what's going on in your head, Brian.
	Sorry, what?
	Yeah.
	Hold on, let her let her know.
	No, you go ahead.
	You go ahead.
	Okay.
	Like, there's like, in certain parts of Africa, like, women will put like really large circle plates on their lip.
	In certain tribes in Thailand, women will put like rings on their neck.
	And I think in some part of Polynesia, women will get as fat as possible to seem like healthy.
	So there's not much that's universal about some of those.
	Well, I'm not saying every single thing that will be deemed beautiful is universal.
	That's clearly not true.
	You know, and we see this across a whole bunch of different things.
	But I would argue that probably the majority of people, I mean, and these are really typically small sample sizes.
	You're talking about like the tribe, the women who have the neck thing, really small proportion.
	I think a larger scale.
	Like in China, for example, like the standards to have like a really small face, like big ears is an attractive thing, like as pale as possible.
	Whereas in the U.S., like women try and be like, or have like, be like less skinny than that, or try, they try to be like a little more tan or to have like bigger lips.
	Wow.
	And then in like Africa, like in Nigeria, like the expectation is for women to have like really big butts, like be really curvy.
	By the way, just big lips are across the board attractive.
	In China?
	No, no, no.
	Even in Asian countries.
	No, like in a lot of East Asian countries, like smaller lips are considered attractive.
	No, no, it's true.
	There's so many different Asian countries.
	I mean, I wouldn't say that.
	Okay, China specifically, like smaller lips is attractive.
	Looking at more like Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam, like Thailand, I actually think genetically, Southeast Asian women tend to have big lips.
	I was talking about smaller lips as compared to like Koreans or Japanese or Chinese.
	But I do think it is actually the beauty standard in, I couldn't speak specifically to like Korea, Japan.
	I would argue even then though, like full plump lips are deemed like it's universally attractive.
	The standard, it's I think it's to have like small like heart-shaped lips.
	That's what I've seen.
	Like I used to, I used to like be into like K-pop and like I saw like that's what like K-pop idols were doing and stuff like that.
	Like it really, the point is like there are standards that vary.
	What about for white people?
	In America?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think the standard is to have big lips.
	Okay.
	Because I mean, I would go back to like the 90s or the early 2000s.
	Angelina Jolie, big plump lips.
	Everybody was like, that's beautiful.
	Okay.
	We're going to do a fun segment now.
	We've talked about some.
	I blame her for everything.
	All of you here who had to endure all these terrible political conversations.
	Just don't blame me as the host and owner of the podcast.
	Blame her.
	Why would we blame her?
	Because why don't we blame you, Brian?
	Because she's a, she's.
	Anyways.
	I think you don't like her.
	So we're going to do a fun segment, though.
	Oh, first I have to ask the question: do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	I think women reach their peak attractiveness at like 27.
	Like if you look at Angelina Jolie throughout the years, she looked her best at 27, 28.
	And that'll be like, that's the age I'll be in 10 years.
	So better looking at 28?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about 20 years, 38?
	Better looking than now?
	I'll be less conventionally attractive in 20, 30 years.
	You're 20, better looking in 10 years' time at 30 for you?
	Better looking?
	In 30 years?
	Sorry, you're 20 now, better looking in 10, so at 30, better looking?
	I think around the same.
	Same?
	Okay.
	What about 40?
	Better looking, worse?
	Than 20?
	Around the same.
	Same at 40?
	Okay, what about 40?
	After that is the decline, I think.
	That's the okay.
	24 better looking in 10 years' time?
	So, like, yeah, because I'm going to be good looking for the 30-year-olds, and then when I'm 40, I'm going to be good looking for the 40-year-olds.
	So, yeah.
	Because everyone has a perception of good looking.
	The question isn't so much, absolutely, people can be attractive for their age.
	People can still be just generally across the board attractive.
	But the question is, compared to now, better looking at 34.
	Yeah, yeah.
	44?
	Yeah.
	About 44?
	Yeah.
	54 better looking than that?
	I don't want to talk little.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to keep going.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, I'm not going to talk Loom myself.
	Thank you.
	Save us, please.
	What about you?
	Say who?
	Not you.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay.
	Better looking in 10 years?
	Yeah, I think 20 years?
	Yeah.
	30 years?
	Yeah.
	40 years?
	Yeah.
	Where's the colour?
	Get genetics run in my family.
	Okay.
	What is this saying?
	Black don't crack?
	Exactly.
	Asian don't raise them.
	And I feel like Hispanic don't either.
	I don't know.
	Dot, Exhibit A, me over here.
	Okay, what about you?
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	No, I don't think I'm going to look better in 10 years.
	Okay, so about that whisper.
	Scared.
	I'm so sorry that was Oh my god.
	What the fuck, Bella?
	Oh my gosh, bro.
	What the heck?
	Am I dealing with her?
	I'm just chilling.
	She's better looking in 10 years' time?
	Anyways, Bella, what about you?
	I think yes.
	20 years' time, better looking.
	That's 40?
	Yes.
	50?
	No.
	Okay.
	Felicity, we've done you.
	What about you?
	You're 36, better looking in 10 years' time?
	I don't think so.
	And then were you better looking at 26?
	No, I think I look better now, actually.
	Better now.
	And just curious, like, did you lose weight, gain weight?
	Like, how what?
	I think I just kind of learned what works better for me, like, in terms of just like, you know, everything, like makeup or everything.
	Gotcha.
	Okay, cool.
	Once she got up, we got, okay, we do the segment where we put all of you through AI, and then we've made all of you men.
	We've turned all of you into men.
	So why are we fucking with AI?
	Oh, we don't have either?
	No, we have the first one.
	Oh, but not the channel.
	Is that okay?
	Oh, okay.
	When did that happen?
	Wait, how did that happen?
	We actually took these pictures a week ago.
	We just stalked you guys to where you live.
	Oh, that's nice.
	And we had like a photographer with like a zoom lens.
	Just kidding.
	No, just from the from the stream.
	From the stream.
	Hold on one sec.
	Okay.
	Here, we're going to do some.
	What's that?
	Are they good?
	You guys are.
	Did you do that?
	No.
	All of you are.
	MILFs.
	So I confirm beforehand.
	I'm a MILF.
	Wait, are you going to be rating?
	The AI version of us?
	Would you date?
	Oh, who here would date Luigi Mangione?
	Me.
	Wait, hold on.
	Okay, starting with you.
	Well, you're married, but if you're sick.
	Wait, sub this the first thing she is.
	No way.
	Just based on looks or no, like you know, that guy assassinated somebody.
	Bella.
	Wait, didn't you say yes, Bella?
	No.
	Oh, I thought I heard a yes.
	Okay.
	Would you date Luigi Mangioni, the assassin of the healthcare guy?
	CEO?
	I mean, hell yes.
	Into the mic.
	You can come back.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, you would.
	Would you date Luigi if he were single?
	Hypothetically?
	No.
	No.
	Would you date Luigi?
	No, just he's a killer.
	Okay.
	Oh, possibly.
	Can you put your feet down, please?
	All right.
	I got cold.
	No, because he's a killer.
	Okay.
	LOL.
	Realistically, no.
	Wait, hold on.
	Realistically, no?
	What do you mean?
	I get his appeal, but like.
	Oh, boy.
	That's not like dating.
	That's quite datable.
	Oh, I see if it's just based on looks.
	Yeah.
	Because based on looks, yes, but like him entirely.
	Yeah, it's the whole package.
	Whole package.
	Can't really ignore the whole probably will spend the rest of his life in jail.
	You gotta understand his motive, though.
	Let's say he got out, whatever.
	The motive.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	I won't debate.
	I'm not going to debate the Luigi Mangioni stuff.
	But do you want to debate the healthcare system in the U.S.?
	Yeah, there's definitely flaws in the healthcare system.
	I think that you shouldn't assassinate somebody.
	But that should really tell you something, right?
	You're right.
	It should tell me something.
	What it's telling me, I'm not sure.
	But, anyways, let's pull it up, Nick.
	Do we have it?
	We got it.
	Let's do it.
	What is it?
	The gender stuff?
	I think it's just the looks or whatever.
	No, I'm confused.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, they made your eye super big on the far right, but the middle one's good.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Let's just do next, I guess.
	Whoa.
	Damn.
	Wow.
	Nice.
	Good.
	I might want to see that again.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Next.
	I felt like this on the next.
	Wow.
	Holy.
	Damn.
	Y'all did her dirty.
	Now, the question you have to ask.
	The question.
	Stop, stop, stop, stop.
	I look like a hippie grandma that owns a farm and I'm trying to live.
	You're so right.
	The question I want you to...
	And she got cool ass hair too.
	I pay attention to detail.
	What I want everybody to look at is, you see the tattoo on her neck?
	On the left, it looks like the skull of the, I don't know, a bull or some animal or whatever.
	On the far right, that just looks like your neck.
	You know what I mean?
	You know how like old people get no.
	You know what I mean?
	No?
	I can still see the tattoo pretty clearly.
	All right.
	Thanks for listening.
	Appreciate it.
	Thanks for the backup.
	Next.
	What?
	That was kind of crazy.
	That was easy.
	That was crazy.
	Not bad.
	Not bad.
	She's cute.
	All right.
	Oh, but my.
	Okay, next.
	Oh.
	Wow.
	She's cute too.
	Into the mic.
	Into the mic.
	That's special.
	That's really special.
	I kind of like her.
	I fuck with her.
	No, you got a good one.
	I feel like.
	We can't, Bella.
	We can't.
	You're going to look great, Bella.
	You're going to look.
	No, no.
	Bella, you're going to be.
	No, Bella.
	No, Bella.
	All right.
	Look at this.
	Wow.
	Next.
	She's hiding.
	Bro, what the hell?
	I mean.
	Did she come with the same face?
	Yeah.
	It's not that bad, to be honest.
	I know.
	It's like no difference.
	It's like canvas.
	It looks like if I went through plastic surgery, if I decided to go through it.
	No gender, by the way.
	Just take another chip.
	Next.
	Uh-oh.
	Watch out, Bella.
	Or wait, maybe it's out of order.
	Like, hi.
	Oh, wait, I'm not in it.
	Yes.
	No, you are.
	You are.
	Okay.
	I think we're done.
	Next.
	Next.
	No, I don't want.
	Oh, she's cute.
	Bella, you gotta look at the screen.
	Bella.
	That was cute.
	Honestly, they did you really fucking dirty on tell us.
	Could have been honest.
	They did you dirty.
	They did it really dirty.
	Did you see it?
	Yeah.
	Wait, why are you doing it?
	She's just hiding behind me.
	You don't need to put it on the screen again.
	It's okay.
	Mine's gonna be really good.
	Next.
	Okay.
	Oh, well, she.
	Oh.
	She, uh, I guess her something health thing with her kids, so she had to, she had to leave.
	Yeah.
	Uh, next.
	Ew.
	Okay.
	Wait, why?
	She looks like she needs a tone or something.
	The hair is so yellow.
	Why did they make my hair yellow?
	Anyways, next.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Wait, that was the worst one.
	That one's like.
	That one's so dirty.
	Why the fuck?
	Literally the worst one.
	That's fucked up.
	Is there another one or is that it?
	That literally looks like my dad.
	Shit.
	That looks like your dad.
	That is really similar.
	Oh, fuck.
	Okay, cool.
	No gender swap, then, I guess.
	Let me see mine again.
	I'm curious.
	I kind of wanted to see him cool.
	Okay, we're going to blast through the pre-show notes really quick.
	So hold on.
	We did.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	One sec.
	One sec.
	Oh, hmm.
	Wait, you said you grew up.
	Do you have South African citizenship?
	UK citizenship.
	UK citizenship.
	Okay.
	Since birth.
	Okay.
	Never mind that.
	Let's see.
	Does anybody here have or has had a roster?
	Roster.
	Roster, like dating multiple people at the same time?
	No.
	Okay.
	Who here would date a conservative as long as they're moderate or like not radical?
	Okay.
	Probably depends on like some like details, I guess.
	Okay.
	Actually, kind of boring question.
	I'm going to skip it then.
	Would you date a guy who owns firearms?
	Most likely not, but if I really liked a guy and he owned a gun, it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
	Like responsible gun owner.
	Again, likely not, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker.
	What about you?
	I would.
	What about you?
	I already did.
	I'd love that for you.
	Yeah, I would.
	Yeah, if he was safe with it, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay, what about you, Bella?
	Yes.
	Felicity?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Love it.
	Beautiful.
	Wonder Wundaba.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay.
	German.
	Yes.
	Oh, women can't make machine gun noises.
	Make a machine gun noise.
	Like a.
	Like that.
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	I can't.
	I can't.
	You got it.
	No.
	Come on, try it.
	Try it.
	Just try it.
	Just try.
	No, I don't want pure pressure.
	Daniella, you got this.
	No, trust me.
	My voice doesn't have much range.
	You sound kind of like Russian.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I've heard of different things.
	I don't know.
	But I hear it's pretty flat, so I can't make machine gun noise.
	Yes.
	Make it.
	It'd be like, okay, pretty good.
	I used to be able to do it, but I can't do it with my tongue piercing.
	Oh, you can't anymore?
	The tongue piercing?
	What about you?
	Machine gun noise?
	Great.
	Okay, Bella.
	I love Call of Duty.
	Wait, guys, guys.
	No, the salt.
	No.
	Okay, Felicity.
	I won't do it until you do it.
	I'll do it.
	Okay, I'll just go.
	You go first.
	No, you go first.
	No thank you.
	I need inspo.
	Wait.
	Machine gun noise?
	I don't know if that's going to sound like a machine gun, but.
	That's pretty good.
	Wait, now I'm getting really shy.
	No, I used this before.
	All of us do it.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	I think mine was the best.
	I mean, I do it a little differently.
	It's like...
	Okay.
	Like that.
	I do it a little differently.
	I do it a little differently.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Oh, are you going to do it?
	No.
	Wait, was my machine gun?
	I didn't do it.
	That was accurate.
	Oh, okay.
	It's like medieval gaming sound, machine gun.
	It's not like Call of Duty sound, if that makes sense.
	The one you just made.
	Yeah.
	So true.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to think here.
	Okay, we're going to get through some of the sarcastic.
	I have no idea.
	I don't even know at this point.
	Sometimes shit just comes out of my mouth.
	I'm like, did I just say that?
	Okay, hold on.
	Okay.
	No.
	Oh, yeah, Felicity, what the fuck?
	Okay, not bad.
	Good job.
	Katie.
	That's you.
	Yeah.
	Katie, you said the fact that you've dated two guys before your husband, each for about seven to eight years, but being as naive and dependent as you were, those relationships should have ended about two years in.
	Why is that?
	Were they like cheating on you?
	Can you just skip me to the table just a bit?
	Is she okay?
	Her eyes were caught on the mic.
	Oh.
	Go ahead, Katie.
	Go ahead.
	I think they should have ended earlier just because we weren't compatible.
	I'll just talk about my last relationship.
	I feel like I did a lot for that relationship, but I don't think he really contributed as much as he could have, but I really just didn't have the confidence to walk away.
	Like he did try to break up with me many times, but yeah.
	Was there ever reasons given?
	Like were you being annoying or what was that?
	I probably didn't.
	Well, there was a lot of things that he felt like he needed from me.
	Like one thing, it's going to sound stupid, but just like, you know, he wanted me to like dress up more, for example.
	You know, I was very more modest.
	I see.
	Okay.
	So that was one thing we would argue about a lot.
	Oh, okay.
	Interesting.
	Usually you hear a little bit the reverse, but okay.
	We have, let's see.
	Okay.
	For you, how do you pronounce it?
	Is Wane?
	Yeah.
	Did I say that?
	In your Instagram, you describe yourself as MK Ultra rat.
	Oh, you actually looked at my Instagram.
	I'm surprised.
	Why are you looking at me?
	What the fuck?
	I'm sorry.
	I've been studying MKLegs since I was a kid.
	Oh, boy.
	My head blew up.
	Are you an MK Ultra rat?
	What does that mean?
	That was just a joke because I feel like I'm a targeted individual.
	I'm sorry, a what?
	That was just a joke because I felt like I was a target individual.
	So I just put that in there.
	By MK Ultra?
	Yeah.
	The government brainwashing program?
	Okay.
	You also, yeah, targeted individual.
	You call yourself a separate entity.
	What does that mean?
	That I'm like no other being.
	Oh, okay.
	I see.
	Yeah.
	Like, why do you think my name's Divina Seduce?
	It literally means divine god in Latin.
	I love that for you.
	Thank you.
	That is dope.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We have Bella.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	We already talked about like past relationships having lasted over a month.
	You said you met your current boyfriend.
	He was your subleaser.
	Oh shit.
	Landlord.
	Landlord privileges.
	After five days of talking, he asked you to be the girlfriend, his girlfriend.
	Yeah.
	That was like the craziest.
	Yeah.
	Current guy.
	Okay.
	Because I was like very living together or he, how does that work?
	Oh, no, like literally, because I'm from Sacramento.
	So it was like the sublease I found because I'm not going to write for like the place.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	So like, were you still in town or did you like sublease it?
	You guys.
	No, I was like, I didn't know.
	Like I wasn't here.
	So you got, but you met in person at one point.
	Then we had to switch off.
	Oh, wait.
	So he had already been subleasing your spot.
	And then he's like, here's your place.
	Well, like, and then yeah, kind of like that, because I would come see the place just because of the school and stuff.
	But I mean, it's a house with rooms.
	So.
	Okay.
	And wow.
	Hopefully he's not watching this.
	Romantic.
	I don't know.
	You said double standards.
	You wanted to talk about double standards.
	I feel like we already talked about it.
	Like with the whole thing.
	Yeah, sure.
	Is there anything that you wanted to add, though?
	I feel like men get away with a lot more things when it comes to being slut shamed than women.
	I mean, I feel like women get the bad end of the stick on that.
	But I feel like that's pretty, not really a hot take.
	I feel like everyone knows that.
	Or if you think differently, then please.
	Well, I think men have a more invested interest in promiscuity.
	Like men care more about it.
	Like they have a greater preference towards.
	Right.
	But I feel like men get away with it if they do the same action.
	Okay.
	So basically, like if a man sleeps with a bunch of women, he's kind of not shamed as much as a woman who sleeps with a business.
	I feel like he gets praised or like people like find it like, oh, it's okay.
	He's like, you know.
	I mean, my personal take is I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women.
	I think we should move away from like hookup culture, promiscuity.
	These things are bad on the individual level and also I think the societal level, it's a bad way to structure the dynamics and interactions between men and women.
	But I mean, I can think of some justifications.
	I think one, women, their own preferences seem to care, generally speaking, women care far less about male promiscuity.
	So women don't really employ a mechanism to like control or police male promiscuity through shame.
	I mean, there's like, you know, whatever.
	Yeah, but I feel like that's just because they've, we've all not all experienced it, but majority have experienced it when we shouldn't have.
	And they probably don't want to do that to guys because they know how it feels.
	Well, I just think that women are far more forgiving of it.
	And also I think that there's just like in terms of what men and women value differently, men do value, you guys might object to this term, but men tend to value purity.
	This isn't just sexual purity.
	Men value purity.
	Women seem to care less than men do about this.
	And we are in Isla Vista, though.
	Sure.
	Yeah, there's obviously differences.
	This isn't the case for everybody.
	I would also just add that a guy who's otherwise really attractive, a guy who's really attractive, but he's a playboy.
	He just sleeps with a bunch of women.
	He's still going to be attractive to a lot of women.
	Like if you look at famous musicians, you look at famous actors, these men have no shortage of like, they've slept typically.
	They sleep with a lot of women.
	This doesn't act as a deterrence at all for women typically, because their either good looks or their status or whatever it is supersedes that component.
	But if a woman is a superstar or whatever, like a famous musician, whatever, whatever, there would be a greater proportion of men if it was known that she got around, slept with a bunch of people, like a much smaller proportion of men would be willing to tolerate that sort of thing.
	And there's just differences between men and women.
	Also, I would say it's really, it's typically.
	Why do you think that is?
	Well, I mean, there's a whole bunch of reasons, but I would just add that it's really easy for a woman to be a slut.
	It's pretty hard for a guy to be a slut.
	I just.
	Like, and I could frame it a little differently if you have objections there.
	Yeah.
	More women can be sluts than men can be sluts.
	No.
	So pretty much any woman, regardless of her looks, like she could be unattractive.
	What's your definition of a slut, though?
	Is that like somebody who sleeps with a lot of men?
	Okay.
	That's a lot to you.
	Oh, I mean, it varies.
	I'll save, I'll give you my answer a little later on in the conversation, though, just because I don't want to preempt it.
	But almost any woman, if she wanted to, could be a slut.
	She might not want to, but she has the capability.
	Any woman has the capability of being a slut.
	Honestly, regardless of her looks.
	Like, if she wants dick, she can get dick.
	However, I think the threshold for men to just easily get sex is a bit higher.
	And I'm not saying that this is kind of an indictment of men that men will just throw away their standards for looks even just to get casual sex.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, they'll pay for puss.
	And I'd say that if they're not even getting it like that.
	So like they're always going to be able to be a hoe no matter what.
	But I guess to my point is the reason that some men view it as like it takes some degree of skill as a guy to just sleep with a bunch of women.
	Not really.
	Yeah, it takes a bit of skill.
	Or you have to be bringing either skill, game.
	Women don't need game.
	Just show up.
	Exactly.
	But men can also bring, like, if the guy's really obscenely good looking or he has status, like he's a famous musician.
	Skill like that.
	Well, when I say skill, it could be game.
	Like he's got, that would translate also to his.
	Yeah, I just think it's just so much more impactful when a girl has sex versus when a guy has sex.
	I don't know why.
	I'm not sure what that means.
	I just feel like maybe there's sometimes more feelings involved with the woman because of like science reasons.
	There's more chemicals released.
	Sure.
	I just feel like guys are more capable of doing it because they're able to do it more heartlessly.
	Yeah, I think there's probably a fair argument there.
	Women release like, I don't know, a specific hormone or something when they have sex that men either don't.
	And guys have more testosterone or whatever, so they're capable of having more.
	Men have a higher sex rate.
	Yeah, so they're capable of having a lot of money.
	Generally speaking, not to say there's definitely women who have higher sex drive than some men.
	Yeah, for sure.
	For sure, yeah.
	Yes, men have a stronger sex drive than women do to testosterone.
	But even then, though, again, I don't think we should like it's we should big up men who just sleep with a bunch of women, but I can understand it.
	Like men can deem it actually both genders can deem it more impressive for a man to sleep around because that would point to something about him that he's doing or that he some trait he has.
	And we know this just simply by the fact that majority of men just can't be sluts.
	Most men, like every single girl at this table, every single, every single girl at this table, if she was so inclined, you guys could shit tonight, even you could hop on Tinder, get some last-minute fun tonight.
	Most men, 90, 97%, most women are not willing to just quickly do something like that.
	Like there's a bit more of a process typically.
	Not all the time, but yeah, but they have more options.
	Like every single one of y'all could get laid tonight if you wanted to.
	Me?
	Shit.
	Brian, why are you so hard on yourself?
	You like said that, like waiting for us to be like, no.
	No, don't.
	No, don't say no.
	No, you looked around.
	You looked around.
	That's not the implication.
	That's the validation.
	Not the implication.
	I mean, we can test this out super easily.
	Like the ease with which men and women can get laid.
	Anybody here down to hook up and be my girlfriend after the show?
	Going around the table.
	I feel like this is directed to just thinking about it.
	I don't do like casual hookup culture.
	I know.
	I only do relationships.
	After this show.
	Is this an e-date?
	Are we third really?
	Do we need a legal?
	No.
	No comment.
	Well, some of y'all, I feel like maybe if you're in relationships, I mean, you don't have to enter, but why do you?
	Huh?
	No.
	I understand.
	Plightly no.
	Okay, whatever.
	I'm not, that was an actual genuine proposition, by the way.
	But this idea, like, that wasn't a proposition.
	I sound like you want to know specific answers.
	You didn't go around the whole table.
	The point is.
	You got a yes.
	Wait, wait, what?
	Who said yes?
	What about me?
	You said yes.
	No, I didn't.
	What?
	No, I didn't.
	I said I said you had a lot of people.
	I said I don't do, but that wasn't a no.
	I said I don't do casual hookup culture with anyone.
	Yeah, you said you don't do hookup culture.
	He said mean either.
	So that's perfect.
	I didn't say that's perfect.
	I mean, there is a ring here, but what was I saying?
	No, but this idea, like you women, you could just offer some pudding.
	You could offer it.
	You offer it on the silver platter.
	Guys, you go out to IV, whatever.
	Go up to a guy, hey, do you want to hook up?
	You could, if you wanted to, it'd be, don't do it, man.
	You could sleep with 10 dudes in the night, 10 guys in the night.
	Don't do that.
	Like, physically, I don't know how that would.
	That's like a lot.
	That's a lot.
	Bonnie Blue did more than that.
	Don't be Bonnie Blue.
	Don't be Bonnie Blue.
	I think it is, unfortunately.
	Go ahead, Bella.
	Oh, I thought you were going to ask something.
	No.
	Okay.
	Thanks.
	Cody, she left, so okay, whatever.
	Let's see.
	We have.
	Oh, we have some chats here.
	I'm going to let these come through then.
	Vector donated $200.
	Chair one, is the claim of feminism that women are just as capable as men in general?
	If so, why is feminism necessary?
	Why is it necessary to advertise, hey, I'm a woman, I'm just as capable as men?
	I think my understanding and belief when it comes to feminism is like men and women have inherent differences.
	Men are better at certain things.
	Women are better at certain things.
	But like my belief when it comes to feminism.
	Pasty George donated $200.
	A lot of Western women, especially those infected with feminism, even the ugly ones, can easily get sex more so than the average man.
	Only the top tier guys can get puss anytime they want.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Women can access sex a lot more easily.
	But what I was saying earlier is just like my belief when, like I don't the word feminism like, like there's like radical feminism sure so, like I don't always like use that label, but I just believe in women being able to pursue what they want.
	Like, have agency to make the decisions they want overall, but like men and women have their inherent differences.
	All right, we have uh Kira here with your notes.
	You said that uh, the craziest dating story, you're in high school got out of a three-year relationship, rebounded a couple weeks later with your guy best friend.
	Crazy tales.
	Uh, you also dated a co-worker one time and he cheated on you while you guys were long distance.
	You only found out by going through his messages.
	So that's also a pretty crazy story.
	Um cool, that's it.
	Yeah um, thanks for narrating that.
	You're welcome.
	Uh, I think you said social media shapes people's views on what a relationship ought to look like.
	Uh, and then you also said long distance not worth it unless it's like gonna you know it's your future husband.
	Um, you wrote here, another hot take is that you don't really like the concept of dating apps when looking for a serious relationship.
	Well, I agree with that.
	I agree, but I wanted to maybe parse this out a little bit.
	You said, when looking for a serious relationship, but have you have you and or well, you're in, you're dating somebody.
	Now right, did you use it for casual dating?
	I well, that was.
	I just kind of threw that out there because I think it's an interesting topic.
	But I don't have.
	I've never been on a dating app.
	This is coming from like people in my life, because I have a lot of friends who use them.
	Okay, anybody here currently on the dating app just show of hands, just curious.
	Okay, that's pretty good, they're bad.
	Don't do it.
	Don't do it.
	You're on the dating app.
	Oh, my goodness, that's crazy.
	Why, what happened?
	What makes you think they're bad?
	They are bad.
	They're just like, oh my god okay um, I can't even talk to you.
	Uh, you said in your notes, maybe there's, these are old.
	You said you got arrested for a felony.
	You went to school off Molly.
	You went to high school parties with your ex-alcoholic mother.
	You partied with your mom.
	Yeah, she was going through it.
	Wait, can you scoot the mic to the edge of the table?
	Um, she was going through it.
	I don't want to bring all of this up but okay, you don't need to talk about your mom.
	You said you were in a mental hospital yeah, when I was like 19.
	Good times.
	Uh oh, these are your old notes here, i'll do your new notes.
	Uh, so you do do of you engage in small penis humiliation.
	Oh, yeah, so...
	You humiliate men for...
	So, one of my biggest clients...
	One of my biggest clients are clients that have a humiliation in the size of their, you know.
	And they like to, like, sit there and just, like, listen to you, make fun of them, and, like, yeah, call them names and all of this shit.
	So, you get paid to humiliate men.
	It's good money.
	Like, degradation.
	Like, degradation.
	or whatever.
	Uh you, on one of your profiles you say you're a goddess of your dreams, pretty petite, 24 year old Colombian that will drain the You, yes, that's when you say drain, do you mean money?
	Damn, you researched, researched.
	It's on your Instagram.
	I'd look at people's.
	I know, but you gotta click on it.
	I'd prepare for these podcasts.
	When you say drain, because these Finns, oh, yeah, you drain, yeah, drain the money, yeah, drain the money, okay, the FinDom stuff.
	Uh, and then goddess is like they worship you, so they just want to like worship, yeah, okay, okay.
	Um, you're welcome, one of them.
	You said you do hardcore porn.
	No, no, no, no, I don't.
	Did I say that?
	You on your little, on your, I think it's your OF, it says amateur sex with BBC.
	Okay, yeah, amateur is not hardcore porn.
	Amateur is like, is like brand new.
	It's like, it's like from record from the phone.
	Well, hardcore just means like the you see the penetrate of sex.
	Oh, I thought hardcore was like you're in an industry or in like all like all that would just be that would be like mainstream porn.
	But you said, okay, amateur sex with BBC can just yeah, but that was when I was younger.
	Do you want to share what that what is BBC?
	Um isn't it?
	Isn't it like a drink?
	Like buzzball beepball?
	No, I think it's a British broadcasting channel.
	Oh, that would be, yeah, it is.
	What is it?
	What is it?
	It is.
	It is.
	What does it mean?
	Tell us what it means.
	I wasn't being mean.
	I was also laughing.
	I do not.
	No, you're good.
	You're good.
	Okay.
	Big black C.
	Okay.
	Imaginations.
	I hope you guys imagination.
	You do girl on girl threesomes.
	But yeah, this was literally my OF is more curated to when I was younger.
	That sounds crazy, but when I was like, I'm 24 right now.
	But moving on to this, you said modern dating is not the best right now.
	You don't believe most men know how to properly treat women?
	Yes.
	Do you think most women know how to properly treat men?
	Yes.
	Yes, women do.
	Yes.
	No, men don't.
	Okay.
	What does it mean to properly treat a woman?
	Like, what does that mean?
	All the traditional stuff we were talking about before.
	Yeah, yeah, very traditional.
	Yeah, yeah, like opening the door.
	Do you think you deserve traditional treatment?
	Honestly, yeah.
	Just to be clear, I don't think.
	Wait, are you going to give me your.
	I don't think anybody should be mistreated, but I mean, you're not a traditional woman.
	You do sex work.
	Okay, yeah, I get that.
	There's videos of you online.
	I knew you were going to go to this.
	And so you should still be treated well by whoever you date.
	Although I question if you have a tendency to choose men who are, let's just say, not suited well for you.
	But I don't know if.
	But yeah, that ex passed.
	That's the ex that passed away.
	Okay.
	But again, I'm just like if you're a sex worker, can you really demand?
	I would do that.
	I have a regular job too.
	Yeah, but there's like videos of you.
	BBC videos.
	Kim Kardashian.
	BBC, it's on your Twitter, regrettably.
	I can't believe I'm on my phone.
	It's not on my Twitter.
	Oh, yeah.
	But it's not.
	You should put a disclaimer.
	It's blocked.
	You should put a disclaimer.
	There is a disclaimer.
	You have to have that your thing is on Twitter.
	You have to have that your 18 and plus is on.
	So that means yours is on.
	So congratulations.
	You watch porn on Twitter.
	I look at people's social media accounts and I was like, okay, does she have any like hot dating takes on her Twitter?
	It's like, oh, okay.
	BBC video.
	Cool.
	I don't know.
	You're going to go through my socials.
	Okay, so you also, you think a lot of men use their testosterone levels?
	Yeah, how I was talking about that.
	Yeah, that.
	Whatever.
	Oh my God, I went on Fresh and Fit.
	I brought you up.
	Okay, cool, I guess.
	I didn't know.
	Didn't know what?
	I just didn't know that, like, you guys were like, I don't know, but it doesn't matter.
	But yeah, it was so weird.
	Whatever.
	But no, can I tell you something?
	The producer got mad at me because I went to Miami and I didn't tell him, and now I'm not back allowed on there.
	Thank you for thank you for sharing.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	That hit a nerve.
	Don't make me do it, Brian.
	Nah, I'm not.
	Excuse me.
	We're not going to do that.
	But oh my gosh.
	She's so peaceful.
	All scream on the count of three.
	Her mouth is literally open.
	What the fuck?
	What is it?
	By the way, for the other women here who are sober, this is not the normal, usual.
	Oh, hi.
	Not the normal, you know, people are typically not passing out on the whatever podcast, but just, you know, a little interesting panel tonight.
	Okay, let's see if there are any other notes.
	We have, let's see, there's more from you, but let's see.
	Yeah, you really.
	Let's see.
	Did her sorry, one sec, guys, while I'm just letting these come through.
	Cody, not here.
	Did Bella's notes?
	Katie's notes.
	Daniella's notes.
	Kira's notes.
	I mean, there's mostly just you.
	What we're going to do, honestly, guys, we're going to do a roast session.
	So $69 TTS.
	If you guys want to get a roast in $69 TTS, if you guys want to get a roast in, we're going to do that and then try to wrap here pretty soon.
	So one sec, guys.
	Y'all got energy drinks.
	We do.
	We do have.
	I mean, it's tail end of the show.
	So, yeah.
	Uno memento.
	Poor Favour.
	All right, guys.
	TTS 69.
	If you want to get it in, one sec.
	Any fun, any like thoughts from any of the panelists?
	Any topic that you want to hit on tonight that maybe we didn't?
	Any thoughts from anybody?
	Stop saying I'm intoxicated because I don't want to talk if you keep saying that.
	Yeah.
	Especially if I'm jogging a lot, don't I?
	For me, at least.
	Nothing?
	Shauna?
	Shaw?
	Shona.
	Shona.
	I'm sorry.
	What?
	Final, final, final thing?
	Any topics you wanted to hit on?
	Thank you for having me on here.
	We're not rapping yet, by the way, but final.
	Nobody?
	Okay, then I'll just.
	Hold on.
	I need to adjust the things.
	Hold on.
	Does anybody here think that can women be sexist towards men?
	Starting with you?
	I mean, not like.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	Can women be sexist towards men?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Oh, it's my turn.
	Hi, Kim.
	Yes.
	All right, Brian.
	How about this?
	Do you, I'll just move on then.
	Do women have equal rights to men in the USA?
	Just because we were talking about feminism before, I feel like it's interesting.
	Starting with you.
	Sorry, what was the question?
	I was really.
	Oh, do women have equal rights to men in the USA?
	Like on an institutional legal level, yes.
	Okay, on some other level, no?
	Like societally, some people have their like prejudices and judgments towards women.
	Well, this would exist.
	We were talking about rights, so right, but that would exist towards men, too.
	Sure, yeah.
	What do you think?
	For the most part, yeah.
	Do women have equal rights to men?
	Well, don't they still get paid less some places or some jobs?
	Or I don't know.
	I mean, there is some debate over the wage gap.
	I personally, everything I've looked into, the wage gap doesn't actually exist.
	And we won't linger on the wage gap long, but my argument would be simply this.
	Well, I have a couple of different arguments.
	If you control for all the different variables, so the wage gap that's often cited, women make 83 cents to the dollar that the man makes.
	That doesn't, typically when you're going to present a statistic, you want to control for variables.
	So that statistic that's presented, it doesn't account for the fact that men and women have different jobs.
	Men work more hours.
	Men are more likely to relocate.
	Men are more likely to work overtime.
	Men are more likely to work dangerous, hazardous, dirty jobs, which tend to be well compensated or can be well compensated.
	It doesn't take into account the types of different fields that men are willing to go in.
	Interests, this sort of thing, seniority, this sort of thing.
	So men, for example, just the most obvious one, men just work more hours than women.
	So even comparing for full-time workers, men work more hours.
	But my two arguments, it's a dating podcast.
	I'll relate it to dating, is if 30, 40, 50% of women want men to pay for first dates, and then perhaps a smaller proportion want men to be providers and there's not a reciprocal pressure that exists on women to pay for dates,
	to be providers, this would create a massive mating pressure, social pressure that's going one direction to men that doesn't really ever go in the reverse.
	So if women by their own behavior and their own conduct say men should pay for me, then I would say that men are going to be more just men are very motivated by wanting to have romantic prospects with women.
	And they're also, I mean, on a lower base level, they want to have sex.
	And if it's like can't have sex or can't get girlfriend or can't get relationship because I can't afford to pay for the first date, that's massive motivation that men experience.
	That, hold on, stop, stop, stop back there, stop back there, stop, stop, marry, stop.
	Oh, I don't know what there's, okay.
	Never mind then.
	I don't know if there was some other communication going on or whatever.
	I was just confused because you were.
	You just kind of pointed this direction.
	I wasn't sure why.
	Oh, okay.
	Never mind.
	It's not a big thing.
	It would occur to me that women's own traditional gender expectations of men would actually be what causes the wage gap.
	Men are more motivated to make money than women are simply put like I realize as a man that women assess me.
	Uh, I know, look, some of you in college, you probably don't give a those of you in college probably don't care all that much about money, but once you get into your mid-20s, now's the time to care, students literally have the time to care.
	Well, what are you looking for times?
	What I what I mean by that is in terms of like the guys you're looking to date, most college guys are not, maybe they don't have a job.
	Like, you're not really looking to a guy in college to be a provider, right?
	So, but as you do get older, 20s, mid-20s, late 20s, 30s, it becomes more part of the calculus.
	So, women's own dating preferences, I think, would, and by the way, there is no wage gap, but if it did exist, it would be explained away by women's own gender expectations of men.
	I think it also has to do with the fact that men are physically more capable to work longer hours, especially when you look at jobs that require like physical labor and like construction work and all that kind of thing.
	Well, yeah, and men are just physically stronger than women, which does help you and give you an advantage when it comes to working longer hours.
	But that's not me asserting that there is a wage gap.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, most I would argue a lot of high, I mean, sure, oh, Knut Canute, he's in the chat, I think.
	I don't know if that's the same guy.
	What's up, man?
	Thank you for the chat.
	Um, I mean, a lot of high-paying jobs now are not typically, they can be, but most high-paying jobs are actually not exclusively of a physical nature.
	But I'd say majority of jobs that exist are not high-paying, right?
	Sure, yeah.
	And I feel like majority of jobs, like when you look at like jobs that don't pay as well, require some kind of like physical labor or ability compared to like the higher, the higher-paying the job, like the generally it can be actually like more chill and like laid back than having to like use like physical labor because that's not like an intellectual skill that requires like a degree and things like that.
	Sure, yeah.
	But the wage gap stuff isn't super interesting for me.
	Um, let's see, hold on, let me see if they're I need to check the chats here.
	Roast session, guys.
	Roast session.
	Then we're gonna get this wrapped up.
	Hold on, let me make sure roast session.
	Roast, roast away, boys.
	Hold on, I need to fix this.
	Oh, you know what we forgot to do?
	Um, there's another question I wanted to ask: is it wrong for a man to care about a woman's past?
	So, like, body count, no, no, no, no, yes, I know.
	Yes, I know.
	What do you think?
	No, no, I care about man's past.
	What do you think?
	Oh, okay.
	The question we always ask: what's your body count?
	Zero.
	Zero?
	I think she was zero, too.
	Five.
	Five.
	Do I have to answer that?
	Yes.
	I have to.
	You have to.
	We're homies, right?
	Homies.
	Are you my homie?
	That's a strong term.
	This is your first time meeting.
	I know.
	I already feel the homies.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Yeah, we're homies.
	Maybe, maybe.
	We're BFFs.
	BFFs?
	Yes.
	Go ahead.
	Shoot it out.
	Shoot it out.
	I'll give you a range.
	Range is five.
	Okay, what about you, Kira?
	Less than five.
	Okay, what about you?
	Brian, will he forgive me after all of this?
	Revealing the body count would do you favors, I guess.
	Sure.
	Triple digits.
	How about that?
	Okay.
	Do you have a sense like 100, 200, 300?
	Could possibly be more, but I'm an expositionist, so you like to go to expos?
	No, I'm an expositionist.
	Exhibitionist?
	Yeah.
	What is that?
	I like to be naked.
	Like where?
	Like in public?
	Literally anywhere.
	Because honestly, yeah, it's a form of beauty.
	Okay.
	But do you think it's potentially quad digits or no?
	Quad digits?
	Over a thousand.
	No, no, not over a thousand.
	But so when you say triple digits, is it closer to a hundred?
	Closer to nine hundred?
	Like where?
	500, where do you think it falls?
	Between ballpark.
	Ballpark.
	I would say between 400.
	And there's some people that I don't want to remember being intimate with, but yeah.
	All right, 400.
	All right.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	Not too proud, but I mean, hey, Bellington.
	Being honest.
	Bellington.
	Yeah, that's.
	One.
	One.
	Okay.
	One.
	Felicity?
	Three.
	Okay.
	And those were, I guess, all your boyfriends.
	Okay, cool.
	There it is.
	There's that.
	Hold on.
	Where's the one sec?
	Ah, shit.
	We have some roasts coming through, guys.
	Uh-oh.
	Careful.
	Okay, let's see here.
	Did this get fixed?
	There we go.
	Chaw XD donated $69.
	Brian Chair1 clearly has a crush on you.
	Yes.
	I wasn't hating on her eyebrows.
	Oh my God.
	ask a question when she was younger i think she's into you arguing politics okay uh Thank you, Cha.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the message.
	I think they got past that now.
	They made up.
	Brian needs to go to the dark side.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Oh, it's fine.
	I don't have a question on Brian.
	Okay, Felicity.
	You fucking bait her.
	You're baiting.
	Okay.
	It is documented.
	We have this one.
	Pasty George donated $70.
	It is a documented fact that women take more sick days than men, including mental health leave.
	Meanwhile, men only take sick days if they are either bedridden with a serious illness or near death.
	That is another point.
	Women do take more sick days, ask for more time off.
	I mean, if you take into account that we have periods and they're very brutal, I feel like we should at least have a day off.
	But if you're like a ruthless fucking capitalist, you're just and it's like you just want to make money for your business.
	It's like, well.
	But the business should care about its employees.
	But I mean, women can still work even while they're menstruating.
	Is that the right word?
	Thank you.
	Some of them are really.
	Look, yeah, some women have really bad, you know, period cramps.
	Absolutely.
	Totally true.
	Okay, we have Desert Jorge.
	Desert Jorge donated $69.
	Is anyone on the panel still awake?
	Asking why.
	As always, shout out to my homies in the Discord chat.
	Yo.
	By the way, Nick, could you check for the gender swap?
	But you know, Desert Jorge, this is why the wage gap exists.
	That's why the wage gap exists because, you know, I'm good for another fuck.
	I'll go for another three hours.
	I'm good.
	I can go for another three hours.
	Oh, I'm not sure about that.
	You were passing through.
	I was sleeping earlier, but she got a nap, though.
	She got a power naps or she wasn't.
	I mean, I got an energy shot.
	I'm going to go.
	Okay, we do a segment called Remove Your Makeup.
	Who's Down?
	Who will take off their makeup?
	I can take off my makeup.
	Will you take the eyelashes?
	Will you gift me your eyelashes?
	I want them as a trophy.
	I'm going to put them on my bookshelf back here.
	Oh, shit.
	Does anybody have a glove?
	Oh, my God.
	I'm clean, Brian.
	No, I just.
	Just because I'm triple dishes doesn't mean that.
	No, no, you're.
	There's, yeah, obviously your fake lashes don't have like an STT or something, but it's just here.
	Well, makeup.
	Make makeup.
	A glove.
	Oh, I was joking about.
	Here, I'll take it though.
	Just be clear.
	Chat, you know that scene from Fight?
	I've been breaking out, so I'm sorry.
	This is terrible.
	These are terrible makeup wipes, so he's going to make us break out even more.
	Yes, place it in my palm.
	You're very welcome.
	Wow.
	Here, should I just be fine?
	I got two ones.
	Oh, her.
	This is like, this is like Costco.
	Wait, put it on me, Nick.
	All right, just let me know when to remove the makeup.
	Wait, hold on.
	Is this the X your wipes used to make like use, Brian?
	Put them on.
	He's not listening to me.
	Can you grab him?
	He's clueless.
	And do a move.
	He's into the lashes.
	This is so weird.
	Oh my God, I almost felt like I was like, you know, he looks so beautiful with lashes.
	My eyelashes are already long.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	Siona's like, your eyelashes aren't it?
	My name's Shona.
	She's right.
	Sorry.
	You want to call me Brianna as like revenge?
	Just call me Brianna.
	Call me Brianna.
	It's okay.
	All right.
	Never mind.
	She doesn't think.
	I think I have long eyelashes.
	Rude.
	You know what?
	That's her revenge.
	That's her revenge.
	He's like, you know what, Brian?
	You made a comment.
	I'm going to make a comment.
	Your eyelashes are not.
	Is this a new segment?
	It is.
	It is a new segment.
	This is crazy.
	What's crazy about it?
	Yeah, do I have to take those out too?
	Yes.
	And you have to eat them afterwards.
	Actually, will you do it?
	No, but I'll take them out.
	Take them if you want to see the real me.
	Yeah, those are like demon contacts.
	Those are demon contacts.
	Your lashes were so luscious, I didn't even notice.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	I'm ready for bed now.
	My makeup's off.
	Nice.
	Thank you.
	Love it.
	Breaking out.
	Love it.
	$600 TTS.
	Get it in.
	Get it in, boys.
	Get it in.
	There's some more notes from my girl S over here.
	Sorry.
	Shona.
	You said it.
	What the fuck, Felicity?
	Get her name right.
	I said Shona.
	No, it's okay.
	That's so funny.
	It's hard to pronounce.
	Shona.
	I said it right.
	Thanks to George donated $70.
	Women who take sick days for painful menstruation cycles are understandable, but taking sick days for mental health reasons.
	A man trying to claim that would be laughed at and then tells yet to work.
	No, if anyone's like clinically depressed or not mentally fit to work, they should have.
	Wait, so can those of you who took your makeup off, can you just hold it up to the camera like this?
	I'm pretty sure one of my contas slid back into my eye.
	Oh shit, you're going to die.
	No, I'm not going to die.
	I'm just going to leave.
	I wear contacts.
	It'll be good.
	That's crazy.
	Come forward.
	One eventually.
	But just come out.
	You're good.
	You're fine.
	This is real me, guys.
	Love it.
	I look better than you earned every single one of those 700 sorry, 400 bodies.
	Every single one, you earned it.
	Slay queen.
	I was thinking you were going to say compliments with thank you.
	I love your double AK tattoos.
	Oh, yeah, impulse.
	Thank you.
	Double AK.
	Yes.
	Let's go.
	I like, no, it's cool.
	Okay.
	You know what?
	We have my girl S over here.
	She wanted to.
	I wanted to what?
	Are you coming back for Andrew?
	Am I?
	I'm down to have you.
	I thought you were girl.
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, because we won't get through all your notes, but maybe we'll do one or two last things, then you'll be like the final person because you had so many notes.
	Let's see.
	I thought everyone would.
	You just were very thorough.
	You asked for, you asked me to expand.
	So I was trying to give you something.
	Okay.
	You said you disagree with the hate that OnlyFans models get.
	I don't know.
	The OF combo is kind of boring, but really quick, why is that?
	I just think ultimately, like men sexualize women in society.
	A woman decides that it's her personal choice.
	She wants to profit off of that, earn money from that.
	And I think there's nothing necessarily wrong with that and that women shouldn't be stigmatized or put down for that.
	Or you can go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I thought you were just going back there to whatever.
	Okay.
	I mean, would you date a guy who watches porn or subscribed to an OF?
	No.
	Okay, why is that?
	Like, is it bad?
	Because I wouldn't want my man looking at other women.
	Okay.
	But, and I agree.
	Like, I think in a relationship, it's really bad.
	Yeah.
	So watching it.
	Yeah.
	Personally, like, when it comes to the person, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
	I was just going to say, like, when it comes to my values, like around like sexuality, sex, like, all that, like, I'm personally, like, very conservative with it, like, in my own life.
	But if someone else chooses to not be that way, then I don't take issue with that at all.
	And I don't think it's like something that should be hated on.
	But I mean, do you think it would be good, though, like, if we were to tell women, like, should they get involved in sex work?
	Do you think we can make any prescriptive suggestions as to what women should do?
	Like, would you want your own daughter to do sex work?
	I don't, I think, like, even sex workers themselves, they say, like, oh, this industry has many pawns and like drawbacks to it, and that it would not be recommended for anyone.
	So I personally wouldn't want my daughter to do that.
	But again, like, if some other woman chooses she wants to do that and she makes a living off of that and that works for her, then I think that's fine.
	Wait, you said you were Hindu?
	Do you guys believe in reincarnation?
	Yeah.
	So when it comes to sex work, it's all about showing your physical body and you're reincarnating without that physical body.
	So why should it matter?
	What?
	I wasn't aware that's how my religion worked, but no.
	If the whole thing was like reincarnation, you're not reincarnating to the same body.
	So are you saying that I'm going to be reincarnated as a sex worker?
	No, no, no.
	I'm saying that right now in this lifetime, if you're a sex worker right now and you believe that you're reincarnating into another lifetime, you're not going to go into the with like that.
	Like the same body that I'm in.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly, exactly.
	So like, I feel like, I don't know, it just doesn't matter as much when you're when you care about your soul more.
	This lifetime, I'm still gonna treat my human body like with the respect it deserves.
	Yeah, I do have a question.
	So, if you're a Hindu, why do you wear a cross?
	Because I'm not a stylistic choice.
	She likes the aesthetic.
	Yes, sorry.
	That's valid.
	I like your answer.
	She likes the aesthetics of it.
	And it's a good, it's good, good aesthetics, you know.
	Okay, guys, we're actually lowering the roast session to 30.
	We're gonna, and then that's what we're capping off the show with.
	We'll do a 10-minute roast session, then we're gonna get this wrapped.
	So, if you guys want $30 TTS, roast, get it in, get it in, bigger microphone and chopped, bro.
	No, no, you have makeup on.
	You are a 10 out of 15.
	What was the point of taking a strong colour makeup?
	And not sleepy anymore.
	Oh, great.
	Right before we end the show.
	Good timing.
	Just needed a little nap.
	Okay.
	Guys, $30 TTS if you want to get a roast in, $30 TTS.
	And I mean, I guess my objections is I think you would approach adult content from both angles.
	You reduce the supply and you reduce the demand.
	So we need to put messaging programming out there.
	And women can do a really good job at this.
	I mean, and I think it's a lot of women's stated preferences of, I don't want to date a guy who watches porn.
	That's pathetic.
	I don't want a data guy who subs to OF girls.
	That's pathetic.
	So it can be like women sort of creating the social paradigm where this is like just unacceptable for men to do.
	But also, I think we can just say probably shouldn't be producing it also and cut it off on both fronts.
	I mean, again, like if someone makes the individual choice of wanting to put sexual content out there and someone makes the choice of wanting to watch it, I don't take issue with that.
	Like that's just like a difference in values around sex.
	And I think everyone's entitled to have different values around sex.
	But if you want to find high virtue men, like we need to create a culture where this is something that's shamed.
	Like absent like criminalizing either the consumption of porn or the creation of porn, the only mechanism we have to change society would, I suppose, be through shame.
	In addition to shame, also saying, here's the better paradigm of how society should be.
	The high virtue man I want knows that that content is out there and still chooses to not consume it.
	Which, like, these men are very much real, normal men.
	Like, not every man is a degenerate who's addicted to porn.
	Sure, even though their pornography exists, there's absolutely men, despite the supply being there, they're still not going to consume.
	And instead of like cutting off the supply, I would rather just have the trust in the man that he.
	Well, I think we should do both.
	Men should be proactive and say, I'm not going to consume this content.
	And women should not participate in the production of said content.
	But like, I don't dictate other people's choices based on what's going to work for me eventually.
	You vote on laws and I wish I could vote on it.
	You could shame people.
	Shame is super effective.
	I don't like to shame people unless they're actively causing people harm.
	It's never harms themselves and it harms society.
	Hey, Sophie Rain's earning millions of dollars a year living perfectly well.
	I don't think she's harming herself.
	Well, I mean, there's varying degrees of sex work, but you have to streamlabs.
	You got to do stream labs.
	I'm sorry, send it through stream labs.
	I apologize, but we can't do supers right now.
	I just believe in like not asserting my individual ways of living onto others, which is like my overall principle behind believing that.
	I mean, you referenced Sophie Rain.
	Yeah, she's made tens of millions of dollars.
	Maybe a lot of women would do that trade.
	And to be charitable, I don't think she's doing like super insane hardcore stuff, is my understanding.
	I mean, what she claims and what is actually true, I'm not entirely sure, but she says, I think that she's just doing solo stuff.
	It's still sex work.
	I'm prepared to say it's obviously not as bad as like fucking hardcore orgies and this sort of thing or whatever.
	But what good?
	Look, I'm not even Christian, but I know this.
	I don't think it's adding to society necessarily.
	I just believe in people making their own individuals.
	There's a again, I'm not Christian, but it is compelling.
	What good does it?
	What?
	Hold on.
	Oh my God, butchering it every time.
	Think what you're saying.
	What good does it gain?
	Oh my God, I'm actually like cooked right now.
	It's a champagne.
	What maybe if you didn't beat it in the bathroom?
	What good does it do to gain the world if it's at the cost of your soul?
	So yeah, you could at the cost of your soul is yeah, it's at the cost of your soul.
	It's very supernatural.
	Aren't you?
	What are you?
	I don't believe your soul suddenly disappears just because you put out a lot of people.
	Are you Hindu or Hindu?
	Yeah.
	I mean, from like a so this is a Christian biblical verse.
	Hinduism's very liberal, like but from the Christian perspective, lust, and that would that would include like inducing people to lust is a sin.
	So from the Christian perspective, which is, I recited to a Christian biblical verse, this actually is completely coherent.
	That if you do engage in lust, then you have given up your soul.
	Okay, that's the correct perspective.
	Damaged your soul or harmed your soul.
	Yeah.
	And I say that as an agnostic, you know what I mean?
	I mean, personally, in my own life, I would rather like, I don't think being lustful is a good thing.
	I just don't think I don't think people should be ashamed for wanting to.
	How long have you been an agnostic for your whole life?
	Pretty much, yeah.
	I want to bring you a book.
	Okay.
	I was literally bringing it to you.
	Ship it.
	Ship the book.
	I will appreciate it.
	I don't know.
	I would just say to any women watching who are you read it?
	Any women watching who are contemplating doing sex work?
	Your future husband and future children will not appreciate that there's naked photos of you out there on the internet.
	But I'll say that.
	I have a question.
	What if they appreciate the fact that that sex work provided a roof over their heads, a bed for them to sleep, food on the table, and a whole line?
	And usually they want to make part of it.
	Well, the vast majority of women on OnlyFans make like 300 bucks or something a month.
	A lot of women, yeah, some women can make a bunch of money.
	A lot of women don't make a lot.
	And that shit typically is forever out there.
	Internet's pretty much forever.
	And I would still say there's other ways to provide yourself.
	There's other ways to make money that don't include posting degenerate photos of yourself on the internet.
	I think if you're going to stigmatize these women, just make sure to stigmatize the men who consume it and are desperate for injustice.
	Men, don't watch porn, you fucking degenerates.
	Or at least limit it to as much as possible.
	Don't be a fucking gooner.
	Like, don't be a porn addict.
	I do think, to be fair, the I think the it's a like unless a man is a porn addict, I do think the impact of like a man who moderately consumes porn is overstated.
	Like, again, my own personal conduct, if I'm in a relationship with a woman, don't watch porn.
	I mean, if she's like on vacation and she's gone for like months, then maybe, even then, though, I'm typically not consuming porn.
	I think men sexualize women more than women sexualize themselves.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wait, men sexualize women more?
	More than women sexualize themselves.
	That's debatable.
	Yeah, but this call is debatable.
	I am cold.
	You're cold.
	Yeah, you're not.
	Okay, final thing from our friend.
	We have.
	You say women can be successful in both domestic and professional spheres and are not inferior to men in ways people say they are.
	Okay.
	I just don't think so.
	I don't think we should view women as inferior.
	There's obviously differences between men and women.
	But what, I guess you say, can be successful.
	Does anybody else want to weigh in on this?
	Like, you guys can.
	That just means women can, like, a woman can pursue the career she wants to pursue while also being present in the household and raising kids.
	Can't she, though?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Where I come from, like, I see so many successful women with successful men raising their children and pooling together their incomes and like leading their child to also be very successful.
	But so I guess my question to you is.
	It only helps the child's future, actually.
	Oh, here's a good question.
	Two sources of income pool together.
	Here's a good question.
	If, remind me what you want to do for work.
	I want to go into medicine, but ideally like psychiatry.
	Yeah, but like some kind of doctor.
	If you were to meet a really successful guy, let's say he made a million dollars a year.
	This is really high income.
	That puts you well into the top 1% at that level of income, even if you lived in like the highest cost of living place in the United States.
	I'd still want to be a doctor.
	It's like maybe New York or Santa Barbara or Hawaii, something like this.
	You can absolutely, you would never have to work another day in your life.
	If, though, here's the, I guess, the trade-off: you can be with a man who makes a million dollars, but he would want you to not work.
	And he would want you to stay at home and raise the kids.
	I would choose to work because I want to pursue this.
	Like, it's important to me to help people.
	Well, you can help.
	And also, money, like, money.
	I think you're able to do it to like a much larger degree and a larger scale.
	Through psychiatry?
	Yeah.
	Just mental health care.
	Giving people mind-altering drugs and curing clinical depression, anxiety, saving people's lives who could be suicidal and inpatient cases.
	I do think it's fair, though, like the modern psychiatric disposition.
	I believe across the healthcare field, not just psychiatry, but as it relates to certain things, there's massive amounts of over-medication, unjustified medication of people.
	So that should mean there should be better psychiatrists then.
	And I would say I would want to go about it the right way in my own career.
	That's a fair thing to say, but I mean, a psychiatrist is typically someone you go to specifically to receive psychiatric medication, whereas you could be a psychologist.
	I think psychiatrists do more good than harm.
	Also, psychologists can prescribe medication and they earn more money.
	I'm pretty sure psychologists can't prescribe.
	They can't.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	Psychologists can't prescribe medicine.
	Right.
	Psychiatrists make more money because they're capable of prescribing medication.
	It's obviously a higher level.
	I think it's, is it med school or is it something different?
	All they do is ask psychologists.
	What's wrong with you and just keep giving you meds until you're like a guinea pig?
	It's like the weirdest.
	I think it's fair to say psychiatrists overall do more good than harm in this world.
	I disagree.
	Okay, back to the point, though, is just to be clear.
	So if a guy who's a millionaire said, this one's mine, I finished it.
	Whoa, I'm a narcissist now.
	Okay, sorry.
	Well, don't worry, don't worry.
	A guy who's a millionaire, hey, and you really like this guy, and he's like, But look, you don't have to work.
	And knowing, like, obviously there's a concern, like, okay, well, what if it doesn't work out?
	I should be able to, you know, be in a position where I can take care of myself.
	Let's say in this hypothetical situation, it's granted that he's a good guy.
	There's he's not going to abuse you, and he's going to stay with you forever.
	I still want to work.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Would you meet a guy who makes a million dollars a year, but the trade-off is he doesn't want you working?
	Do you take that deal?
	Hello?
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	No, I was.
	I feel like if you added up, stop.
	No, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, no.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	What about you?
	Do you take that deal?
	Because you're the devil's advocate, asshole.
	Honestly, I would.
	As much as I want to work, I feel like if there's an opportunity where I didn't have to work, because I've been working my whole life, I'd take up nothing.
	It'd be nice, right?
	Not to have to work.
	What about you?
	You take that deal?
	Absolutely.
	I will.
	There we go.
	I also like, I want to go into like a creative profession, though, and so I can just do it.
	Well, he would, you would be able to pursue your creativity as a hobby.
	Yeah, but he wouldn't want you to do it as a profession.
	That's fine.
	You're fine with it?
	Okay, what about you?
	I would make sure I marry O guy specifically so when he dies, I can take all his money like a sugar daddy.
	Love it.
	Bello, do you take that trade?
	You can be with a guy who makes a million dollars a year.
	But not work at all.
	But the trade-off is doesn't want you to work, you don't work.
	I mean, yeah.
	You take that trade, Felicity, you take that trade?
	100%.
	You take that trade?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Hit me up.
	You don't take the trade.
	I think money is only really meaningful to me when I feel that it's achieved and not just handed to me.
	Okay.
	What about let me go super extreme, billionaire?
	Definitely not.
	Also, like, I want to be with someone who also is aligned with me in that way that they want to have a meaningful, impactful career.
	And I think a lot of billionaires, like their money's and their like career is predicated upon just amassing as much money as possible.
	And like, like, I want to find another doctor one day, for example.
	Okay, but don't you think if you were to date somebody who's a billionaire, I mean, the sort of advantages that that would confer, not just upon you and the sort of ease with which you can move through life, we're talking like never have to work, never have to, and when you're a billionaire, you don't have to.
	It's not a privilege to me.
	Well, you don't have to, hold on.
	Well, wealth privilege, like having rich parents is like one of the, aside from like health privilege, wealth privilege is like the biggest privilege that you have.
	It's not a privilege to me to be handed all this money by my husband and to just sit back and relax.
	That would be a privilege, but it's not a privilege I would enjoy or want.
	Okay, but I mean, and by the way, at the billionaire level, you don't have to do laundry.
	You don't have to cook.
	You don't have to clean.
	There's maids.
	Cooking's fun.
	I like cooking.
	Okay.
	Well, you can still cook, but like some of the household chores or whatever, never have to worry about it.
	I don't loath that.
	And you've literally set up a thousand years of your generation.
	Like your grandchildren, that's a thousand-year dynasty level.
	That is my life's goal to pursue this.
	Okay.
	Not even a billionaire.
	Like, I'll do that.
	I'd be less inclined to be a billionaire.
	I'm a billionaire woman because like, Brian, let me save you from this podcast.
	You'd take that with me.
	I'm bowing.
	I'm taking that trade.
	I'll take the trade.
	Good trade.
	I also don't think, I think, like majority of billionaires, they just, like, I think if you have a billion dollars, you should keep it.
	I don't believe in like splitting up your wealth, but I think a lot of them are slightly out of touch and just obsessed with money.
	You know what?
	If somebody wants to say, I'm out of touch, but I get to be a billionaire, I take that trade.
	I'm sure you would like to.
	Do you take that trade?
	No, I don't want to be a billionaire.
	Wait, so somebody's, here's a billion dollars.
	I wouldn't take it, but I would not take that.
	You wouldn't use it for me if I earned it myself.
	Use that money for like extremely important.
	I would also be motivated to work.
	I would never be motivated to work again.
	Wait, go ahead.
	It would be hard for me to be motivated to work again if money was just handed to me like that.
	Motivate to work to what end?
	Like most people work to make money, right?
	And I get that people can have careers that are fulfilling in other ways.
	Yes, absolutely.
	But I guess my position was: what's the maximal level of help you could do?
	Like, to her point, Kira brings up a good point.
	If you were just gifted a billion dollars, I get that being a psychiatrist would be helpful for people, but you could like donate $100 million and that would dwarf any sort of benefit that you could reap by helping people with their psychiatric issues.
	Okay.
	If you gave me a billion dollars, I would donate it.
	Yeah, you could donate it.
	100% of it to humanitarian aid and then continue on with my life.
	And it wouldn't.
	The trade-off is you couldn't work if you get the billion dollars.
	No, I want to work.
	But you don't want to work.
	Wait, so here, let me just understand this.
	Even Kira's like working.
	You asked me to give up my life's goal.
	So, of course, that's.
	But if we're looking at the totality of the benefit, like you could even give $10 million to some psychiatric association, or you could give $10 million so people who go to psychiatrists can probably cost more than that, can get their medicine for free.
	I don't know.
	You could have positive impact that would completely, through a billion dollars, completely dwarf the benefit that you would do by just being a psychiatrist.
	And just have to throw away my life.
	Like my life's goals like that.
	Well, you don't have any other ambition?
	Like, what about having a family, having kids, having traveling?
	But that's like a huge amount of time.
	Do you like to travel?
	Yeah.
	But like, again, like travel.
	You would ask me to compromise on something that's like really meaningful to me.
	And I would be very, very sad to not be able to work.
	You'd be sad to have someone gift you a billion dollars.
	And the only strings attached are I do not worship money.
	Like, maybe you do, but I really don't.
	Well, it's not that I worship money.
	I'm actually.
	You sound like you really want that a billion dollars.
	Well, I mean, I would question.
	I would, I mean, I'd wonder why somebody, like, if it was to just be gifted to you, why wouldn't you want it?
	Because I didn't earn it.
	So?
	So then, therefore, it's not like it doesn't, it doesn't feel like worth it to me.
	And it just feels like.
	So if I had $1,000 right now and I was going to pass it to you, you wouldn't take it.
	No.
	And if I did, I would literally give it to someone who needs it, not myself.
	I need it.
	Interesting.
	Anybody here who takes the billion?
	Everybody, take the billion?
	What about the richest man in the world?
	Yes.
	Would you not work?
	I have a question.
	Go ahead.
	Do you, are you completely financially independent?
	No.
	But that's, again, like, I need financial support from my parents.
	Yeah, but you didn't earn it, though.
	Like, do you have EBT?
	Oh, shit, Kira, coming in.
	Sorry, guys.
	I just, yeah.
	Do you do you use EBT?
	Do you have EBT?
	I don't know what that is.
	Okay, never mind.
	Never mind.
	I mean, someone who's only 18 who doesn't have my own career for myself, I need to be financially supported by myself.
	But even with even with the allowance they give me, I work a job that I work in like my school's cafeteria and I have to do dishes for hours on end purely because I want to have the experience of earning my own money, even though I don't have to do that.
	That's good.
	I just want to teach myself to work hard.
	Okay.
	Well, I don't know.
	I guess final thought on this whole Nick, just show the roast.
	We'll do the roast.
	We'll wrap.
	Okay, guys, I'm gonna let some just because I need to get things wrapped up.
	We're gonna let the roast come through.
	Holy.
	Oh my god, I'm such a piece of shit.
	What happened?
	Did you not record it?
	I wasn't.
	No, I feel so fucked.
	This guy, Cherry Creams.
	I'm sorry, I wasn't.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Cherry Cream donated $500.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, we're muting you for about 10 minutes, and then you can yap as much as you want.
	Okay, hold on.
	Oh, wait, but some of these are directed.
	Terry, you're doing me dirty here.
	You can make facial expressions.
	Yeah, you can.
	You'll do facial expressions, I guess.
	Yo, Cherry, thank you.
	I'm sorry, dude.
	I missed.
	I'm sorry.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Chair 1, you wouldn't want your boyfriend to watch Butterfly.
	What if your future boyfriend didn't want you to go out to bars or clubs, have a girl's night, or travel abroad with your lady friends?
	You know what?
	Here, Pasty, I'll try to get it at the end when she's unmuted.
	gotta respect the mute i'm actually sort of curious about chair nine did you choose not to have sex outside of relationships for personal reasons religious convictions best of luck on starting a family with your husband um Yeah, just for it's just my own morals, I guess.
	Yeah, I just wasn't about just, you know, having random sex with people.
	Sure.
	We have Nikki Cuban.
	Wage gap is due to men generally being more comfortable asking for a higher pay and negotiating.
	Women are more likely to accept an offer provided.
	There's a study done.
	Nothing to do with sexism.
	Charles Sterling donated $30.
	What do you ladies think about prenuptial agreement?
	Yes.
	I'm in favor.
	No, it's for the ladies, though.
	Never getting a prenup.
	Never getting a prenup.
	It protects me.
	Definitely get a prenup.
	Definitely get a prenup.
	Yeah, I would get a prenup.
	Here, Pasty, that's another one for chair one, so we'll wait.
	Chore XD donated $30.
	If we can agree that flowers harms men and that flowers is addictive and can ruin people's lives, it's rather telling that women will not condemn an addiction that primarily destroys the lives of men only.
	Desert Jorge donated $30.
	Society has fallen because we no longer shame degenerate behavior like we did decades ago.
	Shame flowers content creators, for example, women.
	Shame flowers content consumers, for example, men.
	Eldigens.
	Nick, when you do this trade, your girlfriend, Nick, is a billionaire.
	Here's the trade-off: you have to wear a dress for the rest of your life.
	But she's a billionaire.
	Nah.
	You don't do that trade?
	There's no way I'm doing that.
	Are you?
	You wouldn't.
	The billion dollars for money.
	Brian.
	That's that.
	Wait, that's such a difficult thing.
	Cherry styles type dresses.
	I can't say it.
	Don't lie.
	You would do it.
	Cherry Cream.
	I'm sorry.
	I fucking dollars.
	I muted chair one for 10 minutes.
	I'm sorry.
	Here's what we'll do, Cherry.
	For tonight, if you want to.
	The minimum threshold is 10 because of the delay for you.
	Just 10.
	I'll send you.
	You can do three roasts at 10.
	Instead of.
	I don't know if that's.
	I don't know.
	Just to make it up for you, I apologize.
	And then, in addition to that, if you DM me on Instagram, I'll give you one free TTS for next show.
	Like, you can pre-send me a question and I'll do it.
	You have to prove it to you, George donated $30.
	If women don't want men to be gooners by watching puppy, then women shouldn't be gooners for dildos.
	Why can't women stick with their fingers as some men stick with their hand?
	Crazy.
	That's interesting.
	Okay.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	Brian, you are never going to get through to her.
	She is indoctrinated to think that her life goal is to work and be a strong, independent woman instead of having a real life, such as raising a family.
	I can fix her.
	Thank you for that, Pasty George.
	Appreciate it.
	Blaze 17 donated $30.
	She cares about the status of being a doctor.
	If she was truly motivated by helping others, she would put them first and put her second by taking the billion and putting her dreams slash ego aside.
	How much time do we have on the mute?
	L underscore at donated $30.
	Should have Frank castled sleeping snorlax.
	L. You know, I try to be forgiving, you know, I try to give people chances.
	I was close, though.
	I was very close to giving the red card.
	Does it look orange on camera?
	Yes, at least on the TV here.
	Pasty, once the unmute goes off, I'll do the final ones for her.
	I almost want.
	The final thing I just want to engage with you here is that, like the boss babe, mentality stuff or whatever she's she wants, she really wants.
	My position would be and if you want you can respond to it after the mute comes off is in terms of what's best for the children.
	So my perspective and I I know not all families will be able to do this because of the economic reality, I think, and it could be whether it's the man or the woman, but I think the best scenario for the child would be, somebody goes out works, makes the money and somebody stays home and takes care of the kid.
	I think it's bad for the can, be bad for the children to push them to daycare, to push them to babysitters, to push them to nannies, to push them to child care.
	The best care that any child will get will always be from the mother, and I I would even argue you'll get better care from the father than passing it off to some child.
	Some daycare worker that gets paid 18 bucks an hour doesn't give really care about your kid.
	Um, they're gonna get better care and I think it's going to what's that?
	Oh, nothing.
	Oh, the kid will turn out better.
	I was gonna say I object you.
	Why, like?
	Why okay, because not all moms deserve to be moms.
	Yeah sure yeah, because I and there's bad moms out there like it.
	Yeah, it's conceivable that a a given child care worker could be better than like an abusive mom or something, but factoring in like, let's say there's no abuse on either, like the child care work, because there are also abusive child care workers.
	Children under the in childcare could be abused in various ways, but let's assume for both cases there's no, there's no abuse and they're doing well.
	The care will still be better from the mother than the child care worker.
	Anybody?
	Kira?
	Bella?
	It seemed like you really wanted to weigh in here, Bellington.
	Bella.
	Is that my nickname?
	I don't know.
	I can give everybody else nicknames.
	Aubrey Plaza.
	Audrey?
	Is it Aubrey Plaza?
	It's Aubrey.
	Aubrey Plaza.
	I don't want to bully you.
	I feel like I can say something.
	You can say Marijuana.
	Wow, that is so good.
	Come on.
	Actually, it was good.
	He didn't even give me one.
	Bella, what?
	I can't think of any nicknames right now.
	Bella de la Vlava?
	For sure.
	Chair underscore number, underscore one.
	Underscore on underscore sum underscore, donated thirty dollars.
	Self-underscore delusion paints women as victims in all contexts while dismissing the suffering of men.
	Men are stronger, so can work longer hours.
	Men objectify women.
	Psychiatry helps people.
	Rolling on the floor laughing emoji.
	So emoji.
	He thinks it's funny.
	Thirty dollars?
	Oh blah.
	This guy brings up a very good point about possible gender pay gaps.
	What about the gender pay for stuff gap?
	Okay, to that previous chat.
	I have never and would never dismiss the suffering of men, like men problems of their own.
	Okay, so you unmuted.
	I don't think women are always victims and I don't think men are never victims.
	I think okay Pasty George, donated thirty dollars.
	Chair one.
	You wouldn't want your boyfriend to watch rainbows.
	What if your future boyfriend didn't want you to go out to bars or clubs, have a girl's night or travel abroad with your lady friends?
	Oh Pasty George, donated thirty dollars.
	Hold on chair one of your future boyfriend and want him to give up things and adhere to your standards.
	What are you willing to give up for him?
	Are you willing to meet his?
	I think the mutual compromise that I would make in my relationship is loyalty.
	I mean sorry, like I would like disloyalty.
	So in my relationship my man would be loyal to me and I would be loyal to my man, which means neither of us watch rainbow or whatever.
	It's fine.
	It's just the going out to a bar or a club is not watching people have sex.
	It's not an act of infidelity.
	It's probably worse if.
	If you go, if a girl goes to a bar with her girlfriends and doesn't at all cheat or do anything bad or flirt with men at all yeah, that'd probably have a stronger negative outcome on the relationship than than watching porn.
	I mean, if I was in a relationship, i'd probably want to go to the club with my boyfriend more likely.
	What if he didn't want to go?
	Okay, then I mean, if he doesn't feel comfortable with me doing that, like i'd be willing to respect that boundary, okay.
	Um, did you want to respond to the points I made about like child care and whatnot?
	Yeah, I think actually, if both a woman and a man in a relationship pool together their income, they can actually give their child more resources in the future, such as like college education, like the average person deals with college debt, and I think it would only help it would only help the child's future to pull together income.
	Well, even if that's the case, that pooling income would provide future benefits, that doesn't address my argument, which is as it relates to raising the children when they're young, do you?
	Yeah, I think during the time where it's like really essential to be present, like infanthood and whatever, like the, a woman should definitely take time off to pay attention to that.
	Okay, So is it, would it be better then for, if possible, economically, for the woman to stay at home and take care of the children while the man goes out and works?
	Economically?
	No, if it's possible economically, is it better for the children?
	I'm not understanding your question right now.
	Is it better for the children if the man has the resources to allow for the woman to not have to work, like he's making enough money where she doesn't have to work?
	Is it better for the children?
	I mean, in a case where, like, a man earns enough money to completely cover the child's future and the woman doesn't have to work, I think that works.
	Well, I'm not even talking necessarily about the future.
	I'm just saying.
	Or for the present or whatever.
	Like if the husband can completely cover the child's financial needs, I think that's great.
	But I think also what a woman wants to do in her life, if she wants to work, that also counts for something.
	And you can still regard the child's future and look out for it and have a career.
	I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
	Well, the implication here isn't necessarily if both parents go out and work, that the child's going to turn out to be terrible.
	That's not the argument.
	I'm just saying I think the most optimal thing would be for one parent to work and for one to take care of the children.
	Right.
	But again, what a woman chooses to do with her life should also be taken into account.
	But I think once you have children, you can't engage in this sort of self-serving, selfish, egotistical des like your desires ought to come secondary to your children.
	Also, I mean, to like talk about it from my perspective, like I've grown up with two parents who have jobs and I feel like I'm perfectly happy with the way I have been raised and I would be happy to let my child have the same experience.
	Yeah, this isn't an indictment of all children who have been raised in households where both parents were working.
	This isn't to say that all children are going to become.
	No, but it would be optimal.
	I think it's optimal for one parent to be working, the other to be taking care.
	For the child?
	Yeah, but it might not be optimal for the woman and her life matters too.
	Like what she wants to pursue in her life.
	I mean, I'm just taking both things into account.
	But again, my position would be once you have children, your duty extends beyond your own selfish desires, and you ought to put the children first.
	And like one day when I have a career and I have a child, I will care more about my child than my career because that's a human being who I birthed.
	But it doesn't mean I'll completely disregard and throw away my career.
	Like again, the two things are not like mutually exclusive.
	Don't doctors work a lot.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Isn't it pretty...
	I mean, I know people who have two doctor parents and they've turned out...
	No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying, but it's a really demanding field.
	For sure, yeah.
	super demanding but like eventually actually once you have your career like stable like for what i want to do you can have which will be when when you're 40 Not when I'm 40.
	No, by the time I'm in my early 30s.
	Well, that would be the start of your career, wouldn't it?
	Like, don't miss doctors.
	I don't know.
	I mean, you have to go to med school.
	That takes time.
	Do residency.
	And then you have all your student.
	Actually, I'd probably have my career going by the time I'm 28, just based on.
	So you'll have your what?
	My career like started by the time I'm 28.
	So by the time I'm 30, I should, I'll be good.
	Like, I would want to have my own kind of like private practice where you can actually regulate.
	28?
	No, at like 30 in my 30s, when it's time for me to have kids anyway.
	I don't think most doctors start their own private practice.
	I could be wrong.
	I don't know.
	It depends on the type of doctor, but psychiatry has a much shorter residency.
	So you're able to figure that stuff out a lot better.
	All right.
	I mean.
	But again, like I know people who have two doctor parents, especially in the area I live, they turned out great.
	Yeah.
	Like all of them, like there is no difference.
	Yeah, but I mean, in fact, they have two parents who are able to really support their future and give them all the resources necessary to succeed.
	Right, but I mean, there's also other confounding variables.
	Like people who are doctors are probably like way more conscientious and like possess other really positive traits that are going to benefit the children.
	It only makes things better for the child, right?
	Well, I mean, not to say that women who aren't doctors aren't capable of being like they're great mothers too.
	Right, but again, I'm strictly talking about what's optimal for the children.
	And to me, just I don't even understand the motivation of you come across a guy, super high earner.
	Hey, you don't have to work.
	And I want to work.
	Okay.
	Well, you're a feminist boss babe.
	I don't.
	It's not about being a feminist boss babe woman.
	Like that person said earlier, like, oh, she just wants to be a boss babe and she doesn't care about raising a family.
	She's going to, whatever.
	I care about raising a family.
	That's also one of my life goals.
	No, so I don't, I have no issues with women pursuing careers, wanting to work.
	But like when presented with these sort of hypothetical scenarios where it's like, okay, well, here's a billion dollars.
	It's like, I prioritize like basically I prioritize it.
	Okay, sure, I'll give it to people who need it.
	I'll give it to people who need it.
	And I'll just be like, I will be kind of disappointed at the fact that I don't get to work and have my own career.
	But like ultimately, I'll think about others more than myself.
	I don't know.
	I don't think it's fair to call me like a feminist boss babe just because I value having a career.
	Are you not a feminist?
	I have my qualms with like certain parts of feminism.
	I mean, you're a feminist, you're a boss babe.
	It is what it is.
	It's such a corny term.
	Like, what's the point in calling me a boss babe?
	I mean, you want to be a boss babe.
	It's okay.
	No.
	You want to be a boss babe.
	It's all good.
	What's a boss babe?
	What does that even mean?
	Probably like a woman who overly prioritizes her career over my children more than I would care about my career, but I would still have both.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Your child is the most important.
	If you're a mother, your child is the most important thing to you.
	Okay, but so if there was like evidence presented to you that children tend to fare better if the mom's actually home and like doing all of or most of the child rearing, like this, that would be optimal.
	The child would be fine either way.
	Like you said earlier, like two parents being like, for example, doctors would have its own benefits for a child.
	And children who are the children of people with careers still turn out fine.
	If it is the case that it's not that suboptimal.
	But if it's the case that it's slightly detrimental, as opposed to if you were just dating a really wealthy guy or a career.
	I don't even think it's detrimental.
	For the mom to pass off the kid to daycare?
	You don't think that's detrimental?
	I turned out fine.
	My friends have parents who work two careers.
	They turned out fine.
	Well, hold on.
	I had a great childhood.
	It only benefited from both of my parents working.
	I only have together?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So, for example, I think the most optimal scenario for raising children off of career would be two-parent nuclear household.
	Now, it is the case that you can be raised in a one-parent household and turn out completely fine.
	Absolutely.
	Yes, many cases.
	There's no dispute there.
	But I would still argue that it would have been optimal if you had a two-parent household.
	And perhaps people who turned out just fine, maybe they would have been even better.
	I don't think a child going to daycare at some point is that detrimental to their upbringing.
	I mean, you're a doctor.
	That's a really demanding field.
	I question.
	Again, at some point, I'm not going to be consumed by working with the same degree.
	You do your hardest work as a doctor when you're still in the earliest phases of your career.
	Which is conceivably when around the time you would want to residency.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	Okay, but I mean, when do you want to have children?
	Like 35 or something?
	Like early to mid-30s, yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Good talk.
	We have some chats here coming through.
	Did this one come through?
	I don't know.
	Probably maybe.
	Chair underscore number underscore one underscore on underscore sum underscore denator.
	Women are not victims in all consciousness.
	Self-underscore delusion.
	Men suffer too.
	As someone who...
	Psychiatry helps people.
	Oh, we already did this one pretty quickly.
	But I just want to say Justin Martin's donated $30.
	Chair three, four, and five look like an inverted double stuff aureo where the cookies are thicker than the creme.
	Wait, can you just put your feet down, please?
	I was just going to say, as someone who cares about mental health care, I care a lot about men's mental health and suffering.
	Chair one, when a woman and a man have kids, the parents' wants and needs are no longer a priority, including their dreams, because they have a duty to them and not themselves.
	Feminism is lying to you.
	I promise you, I will have my career one day.
	I will have my kids one day.
	My career will turn out fine.
	and my kids were doing that fine.
	John XD donated $30.
	The point is that when presented a logical hypothetical about optimal behavior for children, you seem to always move towards preference.
	The hypothetical is that we know it's optimal in this case.
	Because a woman shouldn't completely base her life based on what might be more optimal for a child if the child will still turn out fine regardless.
	That's...
	That doesn't mean you don't care about your children.
	So the entailment here is you wish to do that which is less optimal intentionally as it relates to children.
	I still don't even think it's less optimal.
	I mean, I can't present to you like a study, but we have pretty good evidence to indicate that my life only turned out better.
	Even my mom also chose to work.
	Even if there's not a study, like it doesn't, it's just not even common sense to you.
	Like, yeah, probably better for the woman to like actually be raising young children.
	What if, like, what if the only way that the parents could fully afford like a solid college education for their child would be if both parents were to work?
	I think that would lead to a lot more benefits for that child's future.
	I mean, it would be a trade-off, but first off, that would be 18 years old.
	Education is one of the most important factors in determining outcome, like successful outcome for a child.
	What?
	I said, I think education is one of the most important factors when it comes to a child's eventual.
	I mean, the rates of depression among men and women has absolutely skyrocketed.
	You see, ever since the 1980s, women have been more and more.
	Actually, women since the 1980s are more likely to go to college than men for 40 years, more than 40 years, four decades, women have been going to college more than men.
	So, I mean, this idea that because you go, like, but we have rampant.
	I mean, I'm saying going to college helps you become more successful at life.
	That's all I meant by that.
	Possibly, yeah.
	Yeah, I think it's like a pretty big determiner of like the kind of job you can get one day, the kind of income you can earn if you have a college degree from a good institution.
	Hold on.
	So, is your argument that you need to have both parents working in order for somebody to go to college?
	No, I'm not saying both parents need to work.
	If a woman doesn't want to work and she wants to subscribe to the nuclear family thing, that's great.
	That's fine.
	She should do that.
	not saying every woman should go out and pursue a career if a woman wants to have if a woman wants to have like a traditional lifestyle and be a part of that nuclear family then that's great and she should do that I'm not saying all women, like, go be independent, go have a career.
	I'm just saying women should pursue what works for them and what makes them happy.
	I don't think that's unreasonable.
	But once, again, once you have children, there's other considerations in place.
	Okay.
	If it were the case that both parents working really just screwed over the child's life and just led to that child being my claim is that it's optimal.
	And also, I almost wonder why don't women feel this draw?
	Because the scenario I've presented to you is you're dating a wealthy guy to the point where that's the trade-off.
	Like, wouldn't that free you up a little bit to not have to work?
	Again, you keep talking about work as if it's some kind of burden to me.
	I feel like I've already addressed this, and I don't want to sound redundant.
	You don't think it's a burden to have a career?
	I personally would really like to have a career.
	Well, I get that you'd like it.
	And therefore, it doesn't feel like a burden to me.
	You don't think med school is going to be a complete slog?
	I want to do it.
	No, I know, but it's going to be a slog.
	And I like hard work.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I mean, teach their own, I guess.
	I'm glad.
	That's the most important underlying value of everything I'm saying, like to each their own.
	Like, she might be saving your life in bed one day.
	Who knows?
	She might be saving my life?
	Yeah, she's a doctor, and you're like...
	Yeah, like, if I can save people...
	No, she's right.
	If I can save people's lives one day, that means like everything to me.
	Okay.
	I mean, again, my position is simply it's less optimal for the children.
	You contest that.
	I don't object to women working.
	That's totally for it.
	I think women can actually, it'd be great to have more women like doing stuff like cancer research and using, I use this term in the most charitable light possible, exploiting the intellect and genius of women so that we can tackle the issues of, you know, how do we fix or how do we overcome diseases?
	How do we develop cures for certain illnesses, cancer, et cetera, et cetera?
	I'd love to see the intellect of women being applied towards that.
	Because women are capable of so much.
	Like you mentioned earlier, how like more women are in university than men now.
	And same in like med school, it's majority women.
	I think like women have such capabilities when it comes to like pretty much like most fields, like intellectual.
	I'm not saying all women shouldn't work, but I guess my specific scenario where I'm just saying, okay, here's a scenario where you wouldn't have to work and it would be better for your children and it would actually be quite like most women are not going to work.
	And if I did work, my children would turn out great and they would reap the benefits of me working as well.
	Well, I'm going to let the last chats come through.
	Hasty George donated $30.
	So many women infected with feminism are always my life, my dreams, me, me, me.
	This is one of the reasons why many men are moving away from women, especially feminist-influenced women.
	College is broadly useless.
	Final calls if you guys want to give away to infantilize young adults for four years where they learn almost nothing.
	Degrees have lost meaning.
	I'd trade my degree for more time with my parents.
	College is a resource that you probably didn't utilize well enough.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Final call, guys.
	Final call.
	If you want to get a chat in, that's the final call.
	We're uh let me just do the final outros here.
	Well, I want to thank the wonderful panel tonight for coming on.
	You guys were super dope.
	Those of you who made it to the end, uh, Marie is probably back there shooting heroin or something.
	Um, won't even join us for the uh here.
	Take the fucking red card.
	Boom, red carded.
	Fuck off.
	Um, so, anyways, just kidding, love you, but actually, uh, just kidding.
	Uh, okay, uh-oh.
	Elandas Corsets donated $30.
	Chair one is so cooked.
	She fell for the feminist girl boss mind virus.
	Get used to be lonely career with 10 cats.
	I'm gonna have a husband and a children and children one day.
	So, like, I. Black Marca Zayra donated $30.
	Brian, you're a beast.
	A solid 10.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Norbezi, you're below the threshold.
	Are you sending this in like Canadian or something?
	Okay.
	You're below the threshold, man.
	And it's a little spite.
	It's a little too spicy.
	What is it?
	It's a little too spicy.
	It's not going to be red, but I'll show it.
	Censor it.
	I'll just pull it up, whatever.
	It's a display, though.
	It's not a TTS.
	So there it is.
	There it is from Norbesy.
	Disavow.
	I'm going to go ahead and disavow that.
	Hasty George donated $30.
	But hello aunt, once a famous hardcore feminist, condemned feminism and is now a men's rights advocate.
	She now speaks out against the lies of feminism.
	I don't think most major influential feminist figures backtracked on feminism, though.
	Yeah.
	Good times.
	Let's see here.
	Okay.
	Thank you guys.
	GG.
	Well played.
	Thank you guys.
	You were dope.
	Did you want to do the makeup, by the way?
	You wanted to.
	You're good?
	Okay.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
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	Leave a nice comment once the live ends.
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	Thank you to the wonderful panel.
	Thank you guys.
	You guys were all dope.
	Thank you.
	You guys were sweet.
	So, so amazing.
	Loved you guys.
	You guys were a fun show.
	It was a fun panel.
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	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	We couldn't do it without you guys.
	Thank you.
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	We will be live again Sunday.
	Or actually, you know what, guys?
	If you guys don't know, I've been doing whatever Wednesdays where it's just me and I sit down.
	Well, I'm going to maybe just bring on like one other person.
	So maybe Felicity will do it this Wednesday.
	We'll see.
	Schedule permitting.
	But whatever Wednesday is, 3-4 p.m. I go live around then.
	I just shoot the shit with you guys.
	Then we'll be live again with another dating talk, though, Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, you can DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	07's in the chat.
	Trying to think if there's any final things here.
	Who?
	For the call to action.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	No.
	Nope.
	Stay back there.
	You're in a timeout.
	Fucking timeout.
	Oh, boy.
	It's actually daycare here, by the way, guys.
	We were talking about daycare at the end.
	I run a adult daycare.
	I run an adult daycare.
	I have punishments, the little fucking hat.
	I got cards, you know, yellow card, red card, applesauce, in case they get a little fussy.
	In case the girls get a little fussy, we get them.
	Huh?
	To pay, you know what?
	I want to do a wholesome thing.
	I want to give everybody a compliment at the end of the show.
	Okay, best eyebrows I've ever seen.
	I like your hey, chill out.
	No, what the come on, that was like uh callback humor.
	Oh, uh, I like your teeth.
	Oh, thank you.
	You have nice teeth.
	I like your hair.
	Oh, thank you.
	It's very creative, and you're a hairstylist.
	So I like your necklace.
	And you probably have, can we you probably have a killer double bicep?
	You look like you work out.
	Yes, she's ripped.
	She's ripped.
	Uh, what?
	Ice.
	Do you lift?
	I do, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, you're doing a good job.
	You got the double biceps.
	Don't mess with her, guys.
	Don't mess with her.
	And you sleeping beauty.
	Yes.
	I love it.
	Sleeping beauty.
	Sleeping beauty.
	Pretty funny.
	And then Belington, I think she disappeared.
	Felicity.
	You are so good at putting makeup on.
	You are just.
	You know what?
	The Prussian World War I helmet really brings out the color of your eyes.
	You're welcome.
	All right.
	There it is.
	Compliments.
	I don't know if they were any good, but I'd like to say something nice.
	So, guys, we're wrapping the stream.
	Leave a nice comment for me, for any of the panelists, whatever.
	Leave a nice comment.
	Helps with the algo.
	Okay.
	Are we forgetting something?
	Let me just.
	Okay, we have one that just came through.
	That should be the one.
	Pasty George donated $30.
	I want to thank the panelists for attending the podcast and to our host, Brian.
	Respect to the women who removed their makeup.
	Thank you all and good night.
	Yo, Pacy, thank you very much, man.
	Yo, Troy, thank you for the 10 on Venmo.
	Really appreciate it.
	All right, guys.
	07's in the chat.
	07's in the chat.
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