Whatever Podcast - Charlie Kirk DESTROYS Whatever Podcast FULL VIDEO #2

Sept. 20, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Charlie Kirk DESTROYS Whatever Podcast FULL VIDEO #2

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	Welcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
	I'm your host, Brian Allis.
	Thanks for tuning in tonight.
	My name is Karina, and I'm turning 28 next month.
	I am currently, well, I'm going to be a law student in August, so.
	Are you currently a student right now?
	I am currently waiting for school to start.
	I work at a firm.
	So you're like a paralegal or you have your undergrad in something?
	I have my undergrad in psychology and I'm a law clerk.
	Okay, very cool.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Larissa.
	I'm 21.
	I live here in IV and I just graduated from UCSB.
	So I'm actually going to start my new job as a behavioral interventionalist and trauma caregiver.
	And what did you, what was your major at UCSB?
	Sociology.
	Sociology.
	Okay, so.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Caitlin.
	I'm 20 and I go to UCR and I'm a student.
	UC Riverside?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What are you studying?
	Media.
	Media.
	Just media, like that's?
	Media and cultural studies.
	Media studies.
	Okay.
	And cultural studies.
	Is one a minor?
	Or it's like that's the program?
	One major, media and cultural studies.
	And you're from originally from Riverside?
	Fullerton.
	Fullerton.
	Okay, got it.
	What about you?
	I'm Amy.
	I'll be 48 at the end of the year.
	And I'm a pilot and have been a bit of a gold digger.
	You've been?
	Like past tense or on and off?
	Current.
	Okay, been a bit of a gold digger.
	You also, hold on.
	I had some notes here.
	In addition to that, hold on.
	You're also pilot.
	Correct.
	Model.
	You said model.
	And what's the other thing that you do?
	High-end company?
	I've dated wealthy men who provided for me.
	But you're also a high-end companion.
	Do I have that?
	Yeah, I've dated wealthy men who provided for me.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	And when you say pilot, is this a commercial license?
	Commercially licensed.
	I've flown cargo and charter, and I've been a flight instructor.
	Okay, wow.
	All right, cool.
	What about you?
	I'm shy.
	I'm 19, and I'm also from the Gold Coast.
	All right.
	And are you in school or anything like that?
	No.
	What do you do for work?
	OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	How long have you been doing that for?
	Six months.
	Six months?
	All right.
	And any school at all?
	Like college?
	What do they call it?
	University?
	Yeah, but I was doing my cert 3 for beauty, but then I kind of just ditched that and became an OnlyFans.
	For beauty?
	Okay, got it.
	Like cosmetics?
	Yeah.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Serena.
	I am 21, and I just recently graduated from UCR.
	And this fall I will be attending SF State to get my master's.
	And what did you do for your undergrad?
	Biology.
	Biology.
	And what are you going for your master's?
	What do you think?
	Yeah, biomedical science with a concentration in biotechnology.
	Are you wanting to be a doctor?
	I just want to go into research.
	Research?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm Imogen.
	I'm 18.
	I'm from Australia, Gold Coast.
	All right.
	And what do you do for work?
	FriendlyFans.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Leah.
	I'm 26.
	I'm from North Carolina, and I do marketing.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Heather.
	I'm 35, currently a stay-at-home wife.
	I was a corporate director of food safety and quality assurance for a very large food manufacturer, and I will be a law student in August.
	Okay.
	And Charlie, what about you?
	I am Charlie.
	I'm Erica's husband and father of two.
	We just had a new baby.
	So we have two under two.
	And yeah, it's book promo week.
	That's the only reason I was able to get away.
	There we go.
	It's one of my first trips since we've had the new little one.
	Gotcha.
	Age?
	Of the baby?
	Or me?
	Both.
	One month, I'm 30 years old.
	All right, 30.
	Got it.
	And you're also the founder of Turning Point.
	Turning point user.
	Podcast, radio, and all sorts of fun stuff.
	All right, rock and roll.
	Welcome, everybody.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What's everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, harem, polycule?
	There's all kinds of it's 2024, you know, all kinds of arrangements.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	Let's say I'm off the market.
	I've been dating somebody for a few years now.
	All right.
	So we'll say relationship?
	Sure.
	Yes.
	But you say off the market, so okay, but you said like two or three years?
	Two years, yeah.
	Two years.
	Are you guys boyfriend, girlfriend, or is there no title?
	There's not, I don't like the titles before marriage, but.
	Is it exclusive, like monogamy?
	Exclusive monogamy.
	Yeah.
	We'll just say two years.
	Longest relationship?
	I think like three and a half, four years maybe.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	I've been single since 2023, and my longest relationship is like two-ish years.
	Like the beginning of 2023 or like the end of 2023?
	You've been single?
	Like April-ish.
	So about a year.
	You've been single.
	And sorry, longest relationship?
	Two-ish years.
	Two.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship about three years.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	And where did you guys meet?
	UCR.
	UCR?
	and are you going into your senior year at UCR?
	Yeah.
	Is he also going into senior year?
	Okay.
	Are you guys both in the, like, are you guys in sororities?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Same one?
	Is that how you guys know each other?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Is he a frat guy?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Did you meet at a frat party or something like that?
	He just reached out to me on Instagram.
	Oh, he slid in the DMs?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	You guys didn't have like a class together or anything?
	You just same dorm?
	Anything like that?
	Okay.
	You went same school, slid into the DMs, it worked.
	Okay, cool.
	And is this your longest relationship that you've had?
	Only relationships?
	Only relationship.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I date two people casually.
	I've been seeing both of them for 18 years, and they are my longest relationships.
	Okay, so I've never had to write that down.
	Dating two for 18 years.
	All right.
	Have you ever been married?
	No.
	Engaged?
	Never married.
	Engaged.
	How many proposals?
	Any proposals?
	Many.
	Many proposals.
	no acceptance of the proposals they just did they not they just didn't meet the or do you not want I'd like to get the last round of the draft pick.
	That's what I'm waiting for.
	The very last round.
	The last rock purdy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so these two men that you've been dating both for 18 years, do they know about each other?
	And they're, are they dating other women?
	Not that I know of.
	Not that you know of.
	They can.
	They can.
	Okay.
	And so you said you've been casually dating them for 18 years?
	Yeah, we don't live together.
	We have no plans for marriage.
	That's all I mean by that.
	Do they live in different parts of the country?
	So you'll fly out?
	How often could you say you see each of them?
	Every other week or so?
	When I feel like it.
	And they fly you out?
	Or did you have something?
	No?
	Oh, okay.
	I'm taking you.
	He's taking it in.
	Yeah, we meet wherever we feel like it.
	Okay.
	World's small.
	Everywhere's got airports.
	No big deal.
	All right.
	And how did you meet those guys?
	Internet.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And in this 18-year period, did you ever have a third person you were dating?
	Like, you'll date a guy here, a guy there?
	So someone I met in 2017, I thought I'd probably cash it in and end up with that maybe permanently.
	Sorry, cash like cash it in.
	Treat in everything else, my freedom, other opportunity, whatever.
	And pick this person.
	And that failed after a few very romantic years.
	So that was about five years, maybe six.
	I'd have to go back and look.
	And the two men that you're dating, we didn't.
	We hung it up for those years.
	Okay.
	But the two men that you have been dating for the past 18 years, you mentioned that you're, I'm sorry, was it professional?
	Not professional gold digger.
	What was it?
	You can say that.
	I don't buy you.
	Did you gold dig them?
	I mean, they're wealthy.
	That's my type.
	That's the sort I like.
	What's the like?
	What is the procedure for gold digging?
	I don't know.
	Like, what's the process?
	Walk me through.
	I only know my life.
	Yeah.
	So I can't speak for everyone who's not.
	They get you nice gifts.
	They fly you out.
	Sure.
	She flies herself.
	I mean, that takes a long time in little planes, so not usually.
	I like to stand back and let the pilots work.
	Maybe you own a private plane or anything?
	Can we next?
	You could try to gold dig a plane, right?
	That's like, that would be a good put it on the resume.
	I'm fine for transportation.
	Somebody bought me a plane.
	That's a W, right?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single for two years.
	All right.
	Two years.
	Longest relationship?
	Any relationships?
	Yeah, one year.
	One year.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And that was in Australia, I'm assuming.
	Was he, I've heard this term, Bogan.
	Was he a bogan?
	Yeah, I could say that.
	Can you explain, just for the viewers in the panel who might not know, what a bogan is?
	It's just like their lingo.
	It's just like how they speak and like what they do, like walk around in thongs all the time and like shorts and like sandals.
	Yeah.
	That's Australian for sandals.
	Yeah, and like singlets.
	Suck.
	Singlets.
	Yeah, like just like wrestling singlets.
	Like they just super fun.
	They just pin somebody or text them or something.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single for like a month or two.
	Oh.
	How long were you?
	Sorry about that.
	How long were you dating that guy?
	Three years.
	Oh, Rip?
	Fracai?
	Was it a Fracie?
	Yeah, but I knew him before he joined a Frat.
	Okay.
	So you said single for one month?
	Yeah, about.
	Or so.
	And was that your longest relationship?
	Yeah.
	Three years.
	Okay.
	Why did you guys break up?
	It just didn't work out.
	Didn't work out.
	Yeah.
	Who broke up with who?
	I guess you could say he broke up with me, but...
	Yeah?
	What did you do?
	What did you do to him?
	I didn't necessarily do anything.
	It was just more the fact that, like...
	Did you slash his tires?
	No.
	No, I'm not crazy, I swear.
	But we broke up because of cultural differences.
	Oh.
	What's he like?
	He was Arab.
	Yeah.
	So what were the differences that were sticking points in the relationship?
	Like, culturally, like, if we were to get married, it wouldn't work out.
	Like, I would have to convert to Islam.
	Are you religious at all?
	Not really.
	Not really.
	So you didn't want to convert, basically?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you dated him for three years?
	Yeah.
	Was this like something that came along later on in the relationship?
	Or was he always kind of like...
	We talked about it, but we never really talked about it until, yeah, recently.
	Is there a doubt?
	Would there have been a dowry?
	Is that part of, I don't know how it works.
	What do you mean?
	The dowry?
	Like you would pay, I think you or like your family would pay, was it a bride price or something?
	I don't know.
	I don't know how.
	That's very serious Islam.
	I don't think that would be.
	No.
	In any case, cultural differences, okay.
	And so you guys split up.
	You've been single for one month.
	Any rebounds?
	No.
	Focusing on myself.
	Like SIGAP, any guys from SIGAP?
	No.
	No SIGAP rebounds.
	No SIGAP rebats.
	Did you guys have a pike?
	No.
	Charlie, were you in the fraternity?
	I didn't go to college.
	Oh, that's right.
	I didn't go to college.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so no rebound then.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no.
	But are you kind of taking a break?
	Are you, you know, you're looking for a new boo?
	No, definitely not.
	Definitely not.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I've been single for like a year and a bit.
	One year, okay.
	Yeah.
	And any relationships?
	Have you had a relationship?
	Oh, yeah.
	For like five months, but we broke up like a year and a bit ago.
	Okay, was he also a...
	Yeah, he was like an Esche.
	Oh, I don't...
	What is that?
	Oh, like he wears like TNs and he has like tattoos everywhere and like he's got like a rat's tail.
	A rat tail.
	Yeah, like a ratty.
	It's like a little platform.
	A ratty, is that what they're called ratties?
	Okay.
	And yeah, he was a bit of a bogan.
	Yeah.
	How do you define bogan?
	Like kind of like really Aussie.
	Like really Aussie.
	Like I don't really know how to define it, but kind of just like Aussie and like you're just like, yeah.
	Like I don't even know how to define it.
	Okay, all right.
	Yeah, just like a really like big Aussie.
	Big Aussie.
	Yeah.
	He was overweight.
	Oh, no, no.
	Oh, okay.
	No, like a big Aussie, Aussie.
	Like, he was really, really Aussie.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm single, have been for a year and a couple months.
	My longest relationship consecutively was a few months, like maybe three months, but it was kind of on and off for four years.
	And is that the one that ended about a year ago?
	No.
	Okay, so but your longest relationship was a few months, but it was on again, off again for a couple years?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	How many times on and off?
	Or off and on, rather?
	Oh, God, dozens.
	If not hundreds.
	Wait, hundreds.
	Yeah.
	He was real into drugs.
	That would do it.
	Yeah.
	That would do it.
	Which, what was his drug of choice?
	Meth.
	Oh, did you partake?
	No, no, no.
	Oh, okay, not you, but he...
	Wait, so you said you on and off hundreds of times.
	How early on into this multi-year-long off-again, on-again relationship, did you find out he was on meth?
	Like the first time you guys broke up?
	No, so I met him in middle school, and then it was kind of like a talking stage kind of thing for a couple years.
	And we started dating.
	And then it was on and off again.
	And probably about three years in is when he was like, oh, yeah, I tried meth.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	And he assured me that he was not going to do it again, and he did not like it.
	And then we got back together.
	And about two years later, he was like, yeah, no, I saw my body under the pier for meth.
	And I was like, oh, okay.
	Wait, you.
	What?
	What about his body?
	He would prostitute himself for meth.
	Oh, that's horrible.
	Watch!
	Hold on.
	Yeah, I hate that for us.
	To men?
	To men.
	And you were dating him during this time?
	Yeah.
	It was not a good moment.
	I think you win the whatever podcast.
	That's pretty wild.
	No, no, no.
	No need to apologize.
	Okay.
	Is he okay now?
	Oh, I don't really know.
	The last time I talked to him, it was like a year ago when I bought my house and he was like, oh, congrats on life.
	And I was like, good to know you're alive, dude.
	So, yeah.
	Huh.
	Okay, so off again, on again, hundreds of times.
	All right, we'll come back to that a little.
	I'll just write down math.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	That'll remind me.
	Go ahead.
	What about you?
	I am married, and my longest relationship was about 12 years.
	Is that your current?
	That was my ex-husband.
	So this is your second marriage?
	Correct.
	Okay, and you have kids?
	We do not.
	How long have you been married?
	April 5th, so a couple months.
	And how long were you dating before?
	A year and a half or two years.
	So you've been together for about two years then?
	Yes.
	Okay, two years.
	And no kids at all.
	No kids.
	No kidding.
	Do you want kids?
	No.
	No kids.
	Don't want kids.
	Okay.
	Do not want kids, cannot have kids.
	Don't like, oh, can't have kids.
	Correct.
	I had some medical issues about five years ago and got everything taken out.
	Oh, like a hysterectomy?
	Oh, okay.
	Sorry to hear that.
	All right.
	And well, before that, though, were you inclined to have kids or still not so much?
	I've never really had the maternal instinct.
	I've always been very career and school-driven.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And your previous marriage, that was the one that was 12 years, correct?
	Yeah, we are married for eight of those.
	And put together for 12.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And Charlie, I think you kind of went over that.
	I think I kind of hit the top.
	Well, just a top point.
	So married for married in May of 21.
	So that is three years.
	And then together, how long in total?
	Five and a half years, yeah.
	All right, got it.
	And two kids under two.
	Two kids, congrats.
	Boy, girl, or?
	Yeah, a boy-girl combo.
	All right.
	Girl is older.
	How many kids total are you aiming for?
	We'll see.
	Like a whole battalion?
	Yeah, we'll see.
	A quiver is supposed to be five, so we'll see.
	I don't think we'll get there.
	What's that verse about?
	It's a children or a gift from the Lord.
	It's something along the line.
	Your lines have a quiver, which is five.
	There's this verse, though, and it's something along the lines of children in a man's youth are like arrows in the hand.
	Something.
	It's a quiver verse, yeah.
	So five-ish.
	But I don't think we'll get there.
	But we're super blessed.
	Okay.
	Perfect.
	Cool, cool.
	All right, so that's everybody's relationship status.
	Charlie, I mean, I'd like to, you heard a couple of the girls' stories here.
	I don't know if you had any that you want to know.
	I'm curious about the gold digging thing.
	Do both men know about each other?
	They do.
	And are they married or are they single?
	They're single.
	And they're cool with that?
	Yeah.
	Everybody's different.
	Just tell me more.
	I'm curious about it.
	What would you like to know?
	Do they pay you?
	Not in so much as actual handing me buckets of cash.
	That'd be cool, though.
	But yeah, both of them have been very generous.
	I like things that way.
	Okay.
	Keeps the schedule free or two so we can all see each other.
	Have they ever met?
	And so they're in like different, would you mind if they met?
	Um.
	With me?
	Are you talking about biblically or something?
	I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm doing it right.
	No, I'm not.
	Not biblically.
	No, I'm sorry.
	I'm just curious, like if they were ever to meet each other.
	Yep, sure, whatever.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Mike, if you can change the split back to the market.
	No, I'm just.
	Why not three?
	More money, right?
	I think everything in moderation, especially moderation.
	So two's moderation?
	For me, it's what works.
	I like my life as it is, so that's what works.
	Maybe I'll decide differently tomorrow.
	Cool.
	No, it's a brave new world for me.
	I'm just learning.
	Okay.
	I wanted to ask Charlie, do you have any plans to run for political office?
	No, I do not.
	No, God forbid.
	No.
	I'm very happy the way I am.
	No, no, I'm too young, actually.
	Oh, you have to be 35 or 30.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I'm only 30.
	So I'm very happy with the life we have right now.
	So yeah, super blessed.
	Not even in the future?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	You don't want it?
	No.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No, I love hosting radio, love doing the podcast, love doing books, traveling the country.
	Okay, got it.
	I want to start off the show.
	We're going to react to a clip.
	Oh, wait, did I pull it up?
	Of mine?
	No, no, not of yours, but I definitely want you to weigh in on it.
	Excuse me.
	So, Nick, it's actually in the Dropbox folder.
	forgot to put it on one of the tabs it's uh let me get you I'm going to see if I can just send you the link, but.
	One sec.
	Actually, just go ahead and pull up the Dropbox folder.
	My bad, forgot to get this pulled up.
	It's Dropbox and then the videos tab.
	Podcast.
	Podcast folder.
	Nope, nope, nope.
	In there.
	Podcast.
	So it's actually right there, the first one.
	The first video?
	Wait, no, no, no.
	It's in this one.
	Yeah, that one.
	You should actually just pull it over to the tab.
	Do you want to know when I'm inside?
	Okay, can you pull it over, please?
	Thanks.
	You got it?
	Yeah.
	Were you able to pull it into one of the tabs?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oops.
	Oh, that laptop came out of nowhere.
	Okay.
	Who has that?
	Do you want to know?
	Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick.
	Okay, wow.
	All right, Nick, can you, okay, at the very bottom there.
	Windows tutorial.
	Okay.
	Okay, and that, all right.
	Go ahead and start from the beginning, please.
	All right, we're going to have you guys react to this.
	Do you want to know one of the saddest realizations I recently had was that as a liberal woman, it is really hard to find a man who is willing to play the more traditional masculine role in the relationship in today's day and age.
	Who is not a conservative?
	A man who wants to pay on the first date, who wants to open your door, who has that want and desire to take care of you and to provide.
	Who is not a conservative?
	And obviously, as a liberal woman, I do want to be respected for my independence.
	And I do want to have my own autonomy in the relationship and not be combined or conform to the traditional female homemaker childbearing role.
	And most of the men that I dated who do have that more natural provider masculinity about them are normally conservative.
	So I don't really know what to do because I don't want to compromise my morals and values just to find a man.
	But am I asking to have my cake and eat it too?
	All right.
	So we're going to get the girls' reactions just going around the table.
	So what are your thoughts on the clip?
	And do you think that liberal women deserve chivalrous treatment?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	My question is, is liberal the same as progressive?
	For the most part, they're largely similar.
	They're pretty much synonymous.
	They're cousins.
	They're not exactly the same.
	I think because of that, it'll be hard for her to find somebody who's anti-liberal morals while still being progressive at the same time.
	With that being said, I think she is also grouping morals into just like political values, which is kind of dumb.
	I think she can find a guy who's morally in the right place with his head and still doesn't mind that she goes to work.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Your thoughts?
	I actually agree with everything you just said because I feel like that's the only type of guys I date.
	Like every guy I've dated feds under that, so it's not that rare.
	Wait, every guy you've dated fits under what?
	What, the type of guy that she described she's looking for.
	So like liberal feminists.
	I don't date conservative men.
	Men that are like straight up conservative.
	But I don't know.
	You still get the traditional treatment.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Oh, I don't really have an opinion.
	Do you think men should pay on the first date, everybody?
	For the most part, yeah.
	Yes.
	It shows your role as like you're willing and provider.
	I totally agree.
	Yeah.
	Any guy who went 50-50 with me is like.
	So what do you think of the feminist movement that says women should go 50-50?
	What do you guys think of that?
	Unlike the first, on dates and I'm totally down for that.
	And then we're friends for life.
	We're not dating if we're going 50-50.
	I go 50-50 with my guy friends.
	Personally.
	Well, so yeah, we'll go around the table.
	Who should pay on the first date?
	Can you tilt the microphone down just a 10?
	If it's an actual date, it's the man.
	A little more?
	Yeah.
	Okay, what about you?
	The man.
	The man?
	I think it depends on who asked, like, who asked the person on the date.
	So, like, if I asked my boyfriend on a date.
	Well, so first date?
	This is for first date.
	Because or even your boyfriend, you would pay with your boyfriend?
	Well, or like, like, say, if I initiated the first date, then I feel like I should pay.
	Okay.
	Well, with your boyfriend, when you guys go on dates, you've been dating for three years.
	Do you guys kind of, is it 50-50 or how's it with your boyfriend?
	I mean, he, like, usually initiates to pay, but I try to pay and help.
	What do you mean you try?
	Or like, because he doesn't let me.
	Okay, so like overwhelmingly for like dates and stuff, he'll pay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And then before you met him, if you were going like going on first dates, what was your experience there?
	He'll usually pay.
	The guy will pay.
	Because you said whoever asked should pay.
	For first dates, have you ever asked a guy out?
	No.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Who should pay on the first date?
	So that's, she's correct.
	That's the typical etiquette rule: whoever asked is the payer.
	For me, in my romantic life, I like generous men, as we've talked about, ad nauseum, so I would not be attracted to a guy who wants to ask.
	Has it been ad nauseum?
	I don't know if it's been ad nauseum yet.
	What about you?
	I think the guy, but I honestly don't mind.
	Like, I wouldn't go 50-50 with the bill.
	I would rather pay the full amount while he pays the full amount.
	You know what I mean?
	But, yeah.
	Yeah, typically, I think usually the guy should pay for the first date, but then I feel like after you guys have been, like, dating for a while, then usually, like, in my past experience, I would take turns.
	Like, if I'm paying for dinner, then he would pay for like dessert.
	Well, you were in a relationship for three years, right?
	So, was that the case in your three-year relationship?
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	I'm not holding you for the record.
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	Kirk America great.
	He owns like 100.
	Does he really?
	That's him.
	Mike Davis.
	He's a longtime supporter.
	Are you serious?
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	He owns.
	I want to meet him.
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	He owns like hundreds of burger cakes.
	He can be nicer, but I would like to meet him.
	Yeah, he's a little sassy.
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	He could be a senior person.
	Wait, so going back to you with your relationship, what was the dynamic there?
	Definitely when we first started dating, he would pay for a lot more because he had a source of income.
	Okay.
	And then the longer that we started dating, it definitely went more 50-50.
	Also, it kind of depended, if I wanted to go somewhere more expensive, but he didn't want to eat there, then I would pay because I want to go there.
	What about you?
	I'm like 50-50.
	It doesn't really matter.
	But like on first date, I feel like it would be good if a guy could pay just like a good impression, like gentlemen.
	But when it comes to further down the track, it doesn't really matter.
	All right.
	I think it should be 50-50 regardless of who asked.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think the guys should pay.
	I think it shows that they have more of a provider mindset.
	All right.
	I do want to get some follow-up a little bit on the clip.
	We'll come back to it momentarily.
	Charlie, who should pay on this?
	The men should always pay, regardless of what date it is.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, no matter what.
	Men should always pay.
	No questions asked.
	Even if you have to go into debt, borrow money, it's a complete humiliation or embarrassment to have a woman pay for a date.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Do you agree?
	Absolutely.
	We agree?
	Yes, sir.
	I think it's the downfall of a lot of things in society where we're asking women to pay for meals.
	Men should, you should look yourself in the mirror and figure it out if you want to court a woman regardless if she.
	By the way, women shouldn't be asking men on dates.
	I mean, not that there's anything wrong with it, but I'm saying like men should be the assertive driving force.
	But sometimes it happens the other way.
	And sort of a follow-up question on some of your guys' answers.
	Do you, going around the table, do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	I feel like that word has been so misconstrued.
	For example, like feminism has given rights to even like men who have had SA in the past and they're able to speak up on it now or feminism is sexual.
	It's like so.
	Oh, okay, yeah, got it.
	Yeah.
	I got it.
	No, I'm just trying to keep up with the lingo.
	Yeah, so men who have experienced that, you know, women at one point weren't able to visit the hospital without their husband and now it's given patient privacy in the sense that this is.
	The way women, hold on, women were not allowed to get health care from a hospital.
	Without their male counterpart privacy, if they had like a women chopped off back in the farming days or some shit.
	I'm sure they had emergency go to a hospital.
	I'm sure they had emergency, but like in terms of checkups.
	This is a new feminist talking point I've heard that women were barred from getting treated by a doctor in a hospital.
	Without a man?
	Yeah.
	So I think it's called patient privacy rights.
	I think I manifested this out of nowhere.
	Oh no, I like searched it up before I got here.
	Women were barred from getting medical care.
	Yes.
	That's a new feminist talking point.
	However, let me finish.
	Just that one point.
	I don't believe in a lot of modern feminist ideals.
	I don't think men are worse than women.
	I don't think women are better than men.
	All that stuff.
	So do you consider yourself a feminist?
	Honestly, at this point in time, no.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	As a nice, easy answer, yes.
	Okay.
	I think I'm just neutral on that topic.
	Well, you got it.
	Okay.
	You kind of didn't want to react to the clip there.
	You're neutral.
	Okay, let me ask you a question to perhaps help things along.
	Do you believe in the patriarchy?
	That there is a patriarchy?
	Into the mic if you can.
	Oh, I don't know.
	You don't know?
	Did you take any feminist studies or sociology classes at university?
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you think men run America?
	No.
	Okay.
	Do you, I don't know.
	There's more like men like in positions.
	I guess there's more men like in position.
	Okay.
	And do you think that that's a problem?
	Do you think there should be a movement towards egalitarian equalizing it yet?
	Yeah.
	I think it could go both ways.
	Like if a woman wants to step up, then.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	It's a bit of a non-answer, but so Do you think there ought to be a movement towards egalitarianism and equality in all realms?
	And do you think the current social order, at least through the feminist standpoint of there's this patriarchy, do you think we ought to dismantle a patriarchy, if there is one?
	I mean, I think in the end, like, it could be equal, but I don't know.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	So can we define what you're using the word feminist?
	My understanding was that women should have equal access to rights in pursuit of happiness sort of thing, but I could be wrong on my definition.
	Oh, yeah, there's different.
	There's second and third wave feminism.
	There's different.
	First, second and third wave.
	I can define it if you want.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, so first-wave feminism would be like the Equal Rights Amendment.
	No, going back before that, universal suffrage, that women should be able to vote.
	Second-wave feminism was like Gloria Steinman, where she wrote the feminist mystique, where she was rather nasty in her writing, saying that women are in a prison cell called the home and barefoot and pregnant, but that led to a lot of women in the workforce and a lot of career advancement for women, for positive or negative.
	Third-wave feminism is that any inequity that we see between men or women is inherently wrong.
	So that, for example, if you have modeling, women should not earn more than men and men should not earn more than women.
	You know, that if there's any inequity, third-wave feminism is very much as, I forgot your name, I'm sorry.
	Karina?
	Karina, you said it's rooted in a hatred of men more than the advancement of women.
	That's third-wave feminism.
	Second-wave feminism is more of a critique that child rearing, nuclear family development, those things are largely negative and that women should be allowed to be liberated beyond that.
	I'm generalizing, but that's first, second, and third-wave feminism.
	So first-wave feminism goes back to the passing of universal suffrage and all that.
	So I hope that's helpful.
	Thank you.
	Thanks.
	I didn't know the history well enough.
	Hating men is wrong and stupid.
	We need them.
	If you don't like them, we need them.
	So that's weird.
	And then I think it's a shame if anybody, I'd like a world where people can do what they want.
	And that's a shame if that people have been told that being a stay-at-home mother, all these other things, having children, is lesser than, because it's not.
	It's just different.
	And it's not lesser than.
	So I believe that's wrong too.
	So I guess it'd be a no.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Can I ask a question?
	Do you guys think that women, if we were to get into a war, should be enlisted in the draft?
	No.
	No.
	Does anybody think you should?
	Because this is currently being debated in front of the House Congress right now, the Senate.
	Senate Democrats are pushing to say that men and women, if we were to get into a time of a draft, which we had back in Durham, Vietnam, both should be drafted into war.
	Does anyone think that that should happen?
	That's how the Israeli army operates.
	It's true.
	Right?
	But they don't necessarily put them at the front line.
	Well, I think Charlie was speaking about the United States.
	I know.
	But no, you're right.
	The IDF does have it.
	Yeah, I'm comparing two together.
	I wouldn't want to personally.
	Okay, good.
	How about any?
	War, no war?
	No war.
	No.
	I can get back to you.
	Why are you torn?
	I mean, are they going to pass the same physical standards?
	Because then there'll just be fewer of them because they're not going to be able to do it.
	they're accommodated they're accommodated for female fitness standards when military activity requires less physical strength that is more sort of hacking and flying drones from a building perhaps the women's military service could be but don't does anyone think that women should be sheltered from the horrors of war and men should lead into the nastiest ugliest things for society on behalf of society I gotta think about it.
	It's a big question.
	And it's actively being debated right now.
	And the reason I ask is because feminism, if it's implemented at its core premise, is they want equal outcomes, but then also equal treatment, which is that if we go to war, women have to go storm Normandy Beach next time too, not just men.
	That's a good point.
	Anybody?
	I want you guys to answer that question, but let's actually get the answer to, are you a feminist?
	I think so.
	Okay.
	Did you answer this?
	Yes or no?
	We can just get a yes or no?
	Yeah.
	I don't know if you answered it.
	No, not a feminist.
	Yes, a little louder, please.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	No.
	I am not a feminist.
	Not a feminist.
	Charlie, feminist?
	Whatever the opposite is, that's what I am.
	Okay.
	Anti-feminist.
	I mean, I love women, and I think women have a beautiful place to play in society, but especially third-wave feminism is a toxin on society.
	And I think also the degradation of stay-at-home motherhood has been really, really dangerous and destructive for our society.
	It should be celebrated as an option for women.
	Sure.
	And back to Charlie's question.
	So going around the table, so this is something that's currently being contemplated.
	I think, so my understanding is they're also, instead of men having to register for the selective service, they're just automatically.
	Yeah, so that's right.
	Everyone automatically gets enrolled, male or female.
	And it passed the House, but it goes to the...
	Well, they're debating it in the Senate Armed Services Committee.
	And it very well might pass.
	Okay.
	Which is just, I'm just curious what young ladies think of the perspective of maybe having to go into the military.
	Yeah.
	So the question is in time of war.
	So the question is, do you think women ought to be drafted or required or protected from the draft?
	Which would be my position.
	A lot of conflict going on.
	So do you think women ought to be subject to forced military conscription, a.k.a. the draft, a.k.a. the selective service will just go around the table?
	What about you?
	I wouldn't say that.
	Can you strain your mic a little bit?
	Sure.
	I wouldn't say that they should.
	Perfect.
	However, perhaps they have to have a more concrete role in their place either at home or if they choose to serve the country to do it in a way where it's not at the front lines.
	Can I interrupt?
	But the front lines argument, I think, is a little bit disingenuous because a drone operator is not the front lines, but you could kill more people as a drone operator than being on.
	So the question is, should we shield women from the ugliest front line massacre situations that we can imagine?
	I would say to reach optimal results, if we're speaking on war, then yes.
	Okay.
	Yes, women should be drafted.
	Yes, we should shield women from the draft.
	I want you also to think, sorry to interrupt, beyond results, too, do we have a moral obligation to protect women from bullets, missiles, and artillery shells?
	It's an interesting question.
	Not the missiles.
	The other stuff I'm fine with, but the missiles, I think they can get the missiles.
	Go ahead.
	I don't think women should be drafted because at the end of the day, it wouldn't really help the war in any much way.
	Like you said, the job.
	Well, that's a really sexist statement of you.
	No, because I'm making frontline physical, you know what I mean?
	Whereas if you're saying, oh, should they have a place in the war?
	Yeah, I feel like if a woman wants to be able to be in the war.
	She wants to be.
	We're talking about force, though, right?
	Yeah, no force.
	But if a woman, I feel like they definitely have a role in the war.
	A good, smart, intelligent woman can definitely advance the war for our side, but you shouldn't just draft any and every woman in the terms of equality, you know?
	Wait, you shouldn't, in terms of.
	Wouldn't that not be equality then?
	Yeah, it wouldn't be equality in terms of a war, but I'm okay with that.
	But didn't you say you were a feminist?
	Yeah, I said that's an easy answer.
	I'm a feminist.
	But like he said, there's so many nuance, right?
	Yeah, there's so many nuances and so many things with feminism where I don't agree with everything he like if he says, are you that type of feminist that he just described?
	No, of course not.
	Wait, which the type of feminist that's for actual equality?
	Like the third wave, you mean?
	Yeah, I'm not third wave or even second wave to its full extent.
	What about the feminists that in pursuit of equality want women to be drafted?
	Which is very few, I think, to be honest.
	Yeah.
	It's mostly men that are actually pushing for it in the Democratic world.
	Exactly.
	I don't think many women warn that either.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And by the way, just sorry to interrupt.
	I don't mean to interrupt.
	The women of America are largely silent on this.
	And for as much people hate Donald Trump, he was the one that said women will never be drafted.
	But I'm curious if we want to.
	Yeah, well, just going around the table, do you think women should be subject to military conscription?
	That's the original.
	I think if they have like attributes that will proceed, then like then I think they should.
	But if it's well, it would just be a blanket general draft.
	So like you're 2020, correct?
	You're eligible.
	You would be eligible for the draft.
	Yeah, like if I wanted to then.
	Not if you wanted to.
	Well, like being forced?
	That's what happened in Vietnam or World War II.
	Every person, every able-bodied person.
	How would you feel about going to war?
	I mean, like, I wouldn't want to.
	Like, if we go to war with Kazakhstan tomorrow, you're there.
	You're in Kazakhstan.
	Are you?
	I'm a specky.
	Oh, okay.
	Wait, is there conflict?
	No, it's just funny.
	Oh, okay.
	It was so random.
	I don't know.
	I didn't want to.
	Anyways.
	Yeah, that was pretty politely neutral, I guess.
	Sorry, what was that, Nick?
	You wanted to pull something up?
	But so, yes, in favor of the draft for women, or no, not in favor?
	I just think if everyone does go to war, then like everyone goes to war.
	Okay, what about you?
	I look at it from a biological standpoint.
	Like, if you think about animal husbandry, after war, you tend to need to repopulate, right?
	You have a lot of death.
	Yeah.
	So sperm is abundant.
	A uterus is busy for about a year, a little less, right?
	So when you do animal husbandry, you tend to need more females than a male.
	Oddly, we have a 50-50 sex ratio.
	I don't think anybody really understands why, because it probably shouldn't be.
	But that said, I think losing uteruses to war death is probably long-term more damaging from a society.
	So even if you hate men, like men, hate women, love women, you probably don't want to sacrifice the uterus people when you're going to need them.
	The uterus people.
	The women, right?
	Because you're going to need them to repopulate.
	So I would not like a female draft.
	Well, let's assume like the draft, you know, on a micro level, I think that argument makes sense.
	But on the macro level, what's 50,000?
	You know?
	And you're a pilot.
	You'd be frontline bombing.
	Yeah, just dropping them from a bus.
	Let me ask you, would you feel as if it's consistent with your nature to get in a plane and drop bombs?
	No.
	I would not enjoy that.
	If I was drafted and it was my service, I would do it because I love my country.
	But I would prefer not to.
	Well, there's been an attack.
	They had female pilots.
	You got the night witches and we've done it when we've had to, when we're incredibly qualified, but these are largely volunteer.
	Well, the Russian is not as much, but they have exemptions for their draft.
	What do you think on this?
	I think it's up to the individual themselves.
	No, but okay, so the question is, like, this would be something that's forced.
	So, okay, so currently, I know you're from Australia, but I suspect there's probably a military draft or conscription in Australia where they have to register.
	The men have to register anyways.
	So, in the United States, I assume it's the same in Australia.
	Men have to register for something called the Selective Service, which in wartime, if the government opted to, you know, they couldn't find enough soldiers, they could force people, force males, to join the war effort, become soldiers.
	That's strictly men currently, but Congress, the government, they're contemplating making it both men and women.
	So do you think women should also be subject to potential forced military conscription, aka the draft?
	No.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, no.
	I personally would not want to go to war.
	But okay, okay.
	So that's not the question.
	You personally wouldn't want to go to war, right?
	Yeah.
	But speaking in generalities here.
	Yeah.
	It would, because you're 21, so you would potentially be subject to the draft.
	No.
	So women should not, okay.
	I don't really have an opinion on it.
	Like, I feel like if it happens, it happens.
	If it doesn't, it doesn't.
	I'm sorry, you guys are giving the most non-answer answers to this question, but if it happens, it happens.
	If it doesn't, it doesn't.
	It is what it is.
	I don't know what that means, but I've read in.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	Yeah, right.
	For the sake of everything being 50-50, then yeah, sure, go for it.
	What do you think over here?
	I don't think women should be drafted.
	I mean, I know women aren't necessarily frail, but I know we are a lot weaker than men, especially of same size and stature.
	I mean, they could beat us at any point in time, unless we have a gun.
	Sure.
	Granted, I know in Ward, we probably would.
	And then I think just the emotional trauma of seeing somebody killed, females are more emotional than guys are generally.
	And that would be a lot harder for us to get over.
	So and then I would imagine no one has a problem if the war got really crazy for men being drafted, right?
	I mean, just historically, men have been.
	So then for those of you that said you were feminists, do you see any inconsistency between saying that you want equality, but you're cool with sending men to run into machine guns to protect your society?
	Does anyone wrestle with that?
	How do you reconcile that?
	I didn't say it was a feminist No, no, I know.
	It's definitely mental gymnastics.
	No, but what I'm getting at, though, is that it's easy, and I know that you have all been so polite, but let's just dive right into it.
	It's easy at times to bash the patriarchy.
	Taylor Swift just today was one of her songs, F the Patriarchy, and everyone in the concert screams.
	Is that right?
	Can we Google that next?
	Well, it's a lyric to one of her songs.
	It's some name tag that was dropped, but she says it like a rallying cry, like F the Patriarchy.
	When it comes down to it, it's like you're cool throwing men to the front lines of war, but not yourself.
	Why do you think the third wave has happened?
	Do you think it's revenge?
	Do you think it's a mind virus?
	Well, I think it's...
	What do you think?
	It's a great question.
	I think that it is an idea toxin where we have really denigrated having children and staying at home for a lot of women.
	And some women, that's the right path.
	For some women, it's not the right path.
	But for a lot of women, it is the right path.
	And there needs to be an ideological reason as to why you don't get married and you don't have kids for the vast majority of the population.
	And they developed feminism where they said that for young women, becoming a CEO of a shoe company is as fulfilling as having children.
	And for some people, that is true.
	But for a lot of people, that's just not true.
	And you look at the way Gloria Steinman wrote the, Steinem wrote The Feminist Mystique, it was, I feel as if I'm in an open-air prison being a stay-at-home mom, barefoot and pregnant, basically, being in the kitchen.
	And it started this whole push, which is where we are the same as men.
	And that's the problem with third wave feminism, is that it ties with the trans movement, is they don't believe there's any sort of biological differences between men and women, which we all agree is insane, right?
	That men and women are made completely differently.
	And yeah, I think it's an intellectual and ideological cancer that needs to be crushed.
	And I think deep down, most people don't even believe it.
	And the draft argument actually, I think, really draws that out.
	Where when it comes down to it, most American women are okay sending men to war, which you should be, by the way.
	Do you young ladies, like if you feel like you say, I'd like to marry and be a stay-at-home mom and not work, if any of you would say that, I don't know.
	Do you feel like other people would shame you?
	That it's you get more social clout by saying something else?
	I think it's praised right now to be a stay-at-home mom.
	Okay.
	At least from my social circles.
	Interesting.
	That's a new phenomenon.
	Before we do move on, I'm going to speak on that.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I'm not going to allow you guys to weasel your way out of Charlie's question here.
	So those, just show of hands, who of you guys said you were feminists?
	I believe you and then you?
	Oh, come on, don't, don't, don't, don't reel it back here.
	So both of you said you're feminists, but you also said you're not in favor of women being subject to military conscription.
	It occurs to me that feminism, in the most, I guess, generous definition I could give it, is a movement towards equality.
	That's not honestly the definition I would give it, but to be charitable, I'll give it that.
	So how do you...
	Davis donated $300.
	Cook, I'm a fan, but stop that corporate nice Christian boy facade.
	America is on its last leg being overrun by illegals and degenerates.
	Oh, wow, okay.
	The time for being nice and the time for war.
	Now is time for war.
	This is Burger King guy.
	This is Burger King.
	It's Mike Davis.
	All right, Mike Davis.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	That's why men should be in war.
	A woman would never say that.
	It's time for war.
	I've never uttered it.
	That's very smart in my life.
	No, that's a very smart point, actually.
	And so back to my question.
	Those of you who consider yourself feminist, how do you reconcile being a feminist, being for equality, but also not being in favor of women being subject to forced military conscription the same way that men are?
	Go ahead.
	Because feminism isn't just feminism, as in if you're a feminist, you have to agree with every single thought and every single idea that every feminist pushes forward, like the draft, for example.
	Well, it's not socially.
	It's not clear to me if that's a feminist, like specifically a feminist position.
	Well, then if I'm not a feminist under your eyes, then that's fine.
	Would you acknowledge though that that would be a pure equality between men and women?
	Yeah.
	So you're not in favor of equality when it doesn't stand to benefit women.
	Yeah, but again, I never pushed for 100% equality within feminism.
	Not yet.
	So you only want the equality that benefits women.
	No.
	I want the equality that benefits humanity.
	Okay, so can I say that?
	Okay, so if that is, are you guys then okay when you find out that women might earn less in the workforce than men?
	Yeah, if it falls under that same group that benefits humanity and society, then yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, I think women should be, if the women are doing the same exact job and producing the same exact amount, quantity, and quality of work, I think they should be paying the same.
	Yeah.
	But generally, that's not the case.
	No, you're right.
	Yeah, the law, you can't discriminate based on sex, but usually there's a lot of other factors such as where you went to school, what you studied.
	So yeah, I'm just trying to flush out the consistency or lack thereof here.
	Yeah.
	I don't ever think it's men versus women.
	It's like masculine complements the feminine.
	So I think the new wave feminism, if they're talking about, hey, women are better than men, that's like the dumbest thing that you can ever say.
	I think women complement men, which goes back to your draft concept.
	Well, I'd like to ask you another question here.
	Do you think women should be barred from volunteering for the military?
	No.
	Well, that's interesting.
	They shouldn't be barred from volunteering, but they should be barred from being forced into conscription despite men being forced into potential conscription.
	I'm a little confused there.
	What's confusing about that?
	Well, why would you, if you're fine with women volunteering, why would you object to women being forced?
	I feel like we made so many points on why women shouldn't be in war.
	Do I have to go over them again?
	I can't.
	Did you make points?
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, I did actually.
	Like, for example, a woman being sent out to war.
	Well, actually, let's use her example.
	That was one of the best ones.
	If we send half women, half men to war, and we lose an incredible amount of population, what would it be of the country and our workforce?
	Women are the ones that are able to have one child at a time.
	Some occasions, two, three.
	You have twins, triplets, whatever.
	But one man can produce how many kids in a year?
	One man can repopulate a population so much quicker than a woman can.
	Okay, well, let's assume that the conflict we get involved in is similar to Vietnam, where it's not like we're drafting huge swaths of the U.S. population.
	It's more like, I just Googled it.
	I think the United States military conscripted 2 million service personnel throughout the course of Vietnam War.
	World War II is way more than that.
	So, I mean, if we lost, you know, a million from a population perspective, I don't think it would be catastrophic.
	But again, those 1 million women aren't just 1 million women randomly.
	They're occupying special type of forces, like, for example, teachers.
	How many teachers would we lose because of that?
	What do you mean?
	We would get like 18 to 22-year-olds.
	They're in the middle of doing OnlyFans or college or something.
	All of Isla Vista would end up being the Marines.
	So let me ask you.
	Okay.
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	Metro man.
	Anyone know what that means?
	I have no idea what kind of thing.
	I think he's saying it with Metro single that one.
	Oh, really?
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	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, I guess.
	Go random.
	Oh, I see what happened there.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Where were we?
	We were...
	I forgot.
	Can I just ask a question?
	So if you are with your boyfriend or husband and there's a home intruder in the house, would you expect your husband to put himself first into that situation to take care of it?
	Absolutely.
	Or husband, boyfriend, or male counterpart.
	I mean, I know my husband and I have had this conversation multiple times.
	I mean, we have multiple guns in the house, and he's told me he's like, go hide in the bathroom and hide in the closet.
	He's like, and I'll take care of you.
	I mean, and I know where the guns are, and I know how to use them just in case he dies for some reason.
	Or I can, you know, shoot and hopefully scare somebody away.
	Right.
	I think you were maybe in the middle of making a point.
	You said, well, that they would be teachers, and so that's why we shouldn't draft.
	I was saying how like one million women dying doesn't really hurt society, and I was saying that it does because women have a higher amount of, like, in certain roles, like, for example.
	Women's jobs are more valuable.
	Is that the same thing?
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm saying, like, a lot of women's jobs are already majorly women.
	Right, but I was arguing your point about, like, you're making this point of, well, if all the women go and die to war, how are we going to repopulate?
	But, like, I'm not, I don't think any conflict would reduce the female population to such a degree that it would like have some catastrophic if they were drafted frontline, whatever.
	But, like, we're already.
	Actually, it'd probably be good.
	I'm going to get canceled for this.
	It'd actually probably be good for the population if women got drafted, because here's what happens, actually, with the volunteer force of women.
	If they ever do face a deployment, a lot of these female soldiers just get pregnant to avoid having to be deployed.
	Genius.
	So actually, this is going to go up.
	Hold on.
	Charlie, I think actually conservatives need to get on board with the female draft.
	But no, you have to stay pregnant.
	Charlie, I need you to commit on the whatever podcast here that you actually are in favor of the female draft because they get drafted, right?
	We draft only women, and then they're going to get pregnant so they can avoid being deployed.
	If there is a pregnancy exemption, they still allow certain pregnant women.
	If you're pregnant, you can't be deployed.
	How about only third trimester can't get deployed before some secondary family?
	Yes, they have pregnancy jumpsuits, but they're not in the Air Force, which is a good thing.
	I think this could be a great talking point for the conservative party.
	Let's draft the women and then we'll fix the population problem, which we have a huge women will get.
	A lot of women get pregnant.
	We will have to ban Schmushmort.
	And then everyone's got to be raised in a single parent household?
	That's horrible.
	No, of course.
	I hate that.
	They get married.
	They get married.
	They get married to their husband who's deployed.
	Also, everything sucks.
	We'll figure it out anyway.
	War is bad across the board.
	But wait, so okay.
	Don't draft women because then we can't repopulate.
	Is that kind of the argument?
	Yeah, that was one of them.
	Okay, what if we only draft like 100 or excuse me, not 100, 1 million women?
	Oh, yeah, so you want to put a marker on we can draft 1 million women and unlimited men?
	Wouldn't that also not be equal under your war?
	No, just like, say, 1 million women, 1 million men.
	Or 10 million women, 10 million men.
	That would be equal.
	And if they can prove that those 1 million women are competent and would advance the war just as much as those 1 million men.
	Probably not.
	Exactly.
	We still draft them.
	No, but that's not easy.
	No, but equality.
	We still draft them.
	But wouldn't you want, in a war, the people who are going to be able to do that?
	Then why do we have women for the volunteer force, which you're in favor of?
	Because I do believe that the women who are volunteering know that they can provide quite a bit to the war.
	They're not just like, you know.
	Not really.
	Well, I would assume so.
	Why would a woman volunteer if she doesn't, if she's not certain that she can provide some type of, you know?
	Well, I mean, people volunteer for all kinds of reasons.
	Some people do for financial reasons.
	Perhaps they're coming from a very low socioeconomic position.
	Getting into the military can be helpful in that way.
	Perhaps people want an experience, discipline.
	They want to serve their country.
	That's true, but I don't think most women would put their lives on the line and have that be their number one option, just volunteering just because, like, shit's in gigs.
	Like, I want to volunteer.
	Okay.
	Right.
	So I haven't really heard a compelling reason, at least from the feminist viewpoint standpoint, as to why women shouldn't be drafted.
	But why would you want women to be drafted is my question as a man.
	For the sake of equality.
	Yeah, but wouldn't you want a country to like do good in war, not just for the sake of equality?
	So if I make that same argument about like the workforce, would you call that a sexist statement?
	With what exactly?
	Would it be a sexist statement?
	I'm not arguing this, but the same argument you're making about, well, wouldn't you want the best for the war effort?
	Couldn't you just make that argument about the volunteer force so women can't join the military?
	You could say about policemen, police officers, excuse me, firefighters, etc.
	I'm not really catching your drift.
	You said you don't want women, so you're trying to exclude women from other workforces is what you're asking me.
	Well, you said, wouldn't you want the best people?
	Yes, for the war.
	Yeah, because the war, because if we lose the war, is that not a big deal?
	That'd be a big deal.
	Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
	It's kind of like, you know, put equality to the side in terms of the war because the war is really going to affect all of society, not just man or woman.
	But you could even draft women into positions of, for example, not frontline soldiers.
	Cybersecurity.
	And if you can prove that those women are competent and they can do that, then yeah, go ahead.
	That still wouldn't really be equality, but it would be equal to the equipment.
	It wouldn't, but that would be good.
	Yeah.
	be closer to equality.
	Actually most positions in the military are not frontline combat positions.
	So I wouldn't, you know, so I'm just a little confused here.
	What are you confused about if we disagreed on the same point?
	Just because I label myself as a feminist and I have the same opinion within this as someone else.
	But it seems like when you want equality, I've made that clear that I don't want it when it just suits women.
	I want it when it benefits society.
	Well, so then you acknowledge that really hard to understand?
	A little bit.
	So then you acknowledge that there's an inequality that's currently impacting men because men are the only sex that are required to register for the selective service.
	Yeah, that's an inequality in terms of yeah.
	Okay.
	And sex has to go to war.
	So your solution then is to get rid of the draft?
	My solution to that would just be let's not go to fucking war.
	Well, that would make shit equal.
	Yeah, war bad.
	But obviously that's exactly, but since that's not a realistic thing that the U.S. will do, and that's why we're just controlling.
	What if it has nothing to do with the U.S.?
	What if there's a belligerent force like China or Russia or something?
	Okay, well, either way.
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	Here is a point.
	Feminism should have never been brought upon society by evil men pushing women to become babyless career boss B words.
	In the West now, what are women currently oppressed on?
	I'll wait.
	Beaten, I'll ask that later.
	Are you?
	Okay.
	So assuming we can't get rid of war, assuming there had to be a draft.
	Exactly.
	Do you acknowledge the current inequality that exists?
	And shouldn't you?
	You asked me that question.
	But shouldn't you as a feminist be desirous of moving towards egalitarianism and equality?
	I've made that clear.
	No.
	Not in every single way.
	I'll ask it a different way.
	What would a victory for the feminist movement look like, or your view of feminism?
	Like what?
	What's my view of feminism?
	Yes, or like what is an injustice or something wrong in America that you would like to see remedied or cured with your view of feminism?
	Okay, I made it real specific with it.
	I work in the healthcare field and I see a lot of inequality within that.
	So that's one way where I'm a feminist where I can see, okay, women aren't being treated the best way within the healthcare field, specifically.
	They don't have the same rights as a man does.
	Wait, can you elaborate?
	Do you mean patients or the patients, yes?
	Wait, can you elaborate what you mean?
	Like what is the inequality?
	Patient care, a man as a patient versus a woman as a patient.
	Very different.
	Can you articulate it a little further?
	Women don't have the same care as a man.
	Isn't it the case that women use, like see doctors more frequently?
	They're more likely to go visit a doctor.
	Yeah, that's 100% the case, but that's because they're not getting adequate care.
	That's why they have to keep seeing new specialists, new people.
	Wait, wait.
	I don't think that's the reason.
	I think women just tend to care about our bodies and men only care when they're on their deathbed.
	That's like the typical reasoning.
	Women, like for like medi-cal or whatever, I don't know what it's called.
	The reimbursables for women are like seven to one.
	They're more likely to use.
	Yeah, especially under 50.
	But it's taken me like six months just to get a checkup.
	Like just I don't think that's because you're a woman though.
	You don't think so?
	Okay.
	I think that why would it be because you're a woman?
	I don't know, maybe because women's health care is harder to get.
	I'm not sure.
	That's what I'm saying.
	So you're talking like you're OBGYN?
	No, just primary care physician.
	Why would that be because you're a woman, though?
	It actually might be because I have shitty health care.
	It also could be because we just brought a couple million people from the third world into this country.
	Yeah.
	That kind of creates long lines, but that's a separate issue.
	Well, could you elaborate a little further on the healthcare thing, though?
	Do you want me to just keep going listing examples?
	Well, you said women have, I don't know if you said rights, like women have X that men don't.
	Yeah, women are behind in the healthcare field, so that's something I would want to see women progress.
	Like in nursing?
	No, as a patient.
	I've made that clear.
	Oh, as patients?
	Yes.
	How are they behind?
	A woman doesn't get the same adequate care from her primary doctor, from her specialist, from whatever person that a man would, and that's been statistically proven.
	I'm in the healthcare field.
	I see this firsthand.
	I'm told about this by my coworkers, by my actual patients, by the people I work for, work with.
	So that's just my experience.
	So you asked me for a specific example about feminism, and that's what I gave you.
	So what would solve that?
	Honestly, I'm not an expert within the healthcare field to be able to say you need to do this, this, and that, but I just believe that there is something that could be done.
	Do you think that women sometimes might be overemphasizing a condition that might not be a big deal?
	No, I don't think so.
	I mean, yeah, possibly person to person, there's many women who could do that.
	There's many men who would do that.
	How is that relevant?
	No, because the survey you're citing is that women think they're not getting the care that they deserve when I think they actually are, and then some.
	But you're right, men will not go to the doctor unless they're missing a limb, where a woman will call their doctor as soon as they have a sniffle or a sneeze or a cough.
	And so they engage in the healthcare system more often.
	So when you have more interactions, more touch points, you'll have more people who think that there's an injustice when there really isn't.
	I see your point.
	And do you also, you, well, actually here, we'll come back to that a little bit.
	I did also want to get an answer from you really quick on the draft thing, then we'll move it along to a different topic.
	You said you're feminist, but not in favor of women being drafted.
	How do you reconcile that?
	I mean, I think that there should definitely be things that are more, or I guess not more important, but, like, I'm more for, like, if I'm working a job in a lab and a man is working a job in the same lab and we're doing the same things, then we should be getting equal pay, but...
	What if you work harder than him?
	Should you get more money?
	Well, what do you mean like work harder?
	Put in more hours, show up earlier.
	I mean, wouldn't I?
	What if you're better than him?
	Then they would probably recognize the hard work that they had.
	But I thought you said equal pay.
	I mean, I think it would depend on like your lab position and like how high you are.
	Do you have the same title?
	Do you want it to be based on merit or just equality no matter what?
	I mean I guess like if you are working harder then I feel like you should get paid more regardless if you're a man or a woman.
	So men are more likely to show up early at work.
	They're more likely to not take seven to ten years off for having a child whether you like that or not.
	More likely to ask for a promotion, more likely to ask for a raise.
	They're also more likely to get their boss to notice their hard work.
	They're better at that than women.
	So maybe it's not that women are getting paid less than men.
	Maybe just men are better at working the corporate system than women.
	Well then if that's the case then I guess that's something we need to work on.
	Wait, I have a question.
	Well you didn't really answer the question but you did bring up the wage gap there a little bit.
	So the question was about the draft because you said you were feminist but you're not in favor of women being conscripted into military forced military conscription.
	So like just how do you reconcile that?
	Well I think they brought up a good point about how like biologically women are not as physically strong as like men and I don't understand like or I guess like they do bring up a point like how would it benefit like the United States if we're putting more women onto like the military if we're not putting like the strongest like people out.
	Well, if they're not benefiting, then why would we allow women to volunteer?
	I mean, but that's like what I mean, that's what they want to do with their time.
	It's better than not having any volunteers.
	Do you guys think the military would be better if women weren't in it?
	If it was just men, hardcore men that want to win for the country.
	You know women better than I do.
	No women.
	Do you think the American military was a better fighting force when women were not in it?
	I think they're a lot more aggressive, a lot more assertive.
	I mean, there's...
	I don't want to sound like I'm hating on women, but I just think guys, when they're... especially in a war, I mean...
	It's true.
	It's prime.
	They're wanting to be out there fighting for their country.
	Women, that's not ours.
	Wait, Charlie, what was your original question?
	So would the U.S. military be better if it was just men?
	Is that the same thing?
	Yes, and I say this for a group of women who know female nature very well.
	You know your friend's female nature.
	If you're trying to create a fighting force to defeat the Russians, defeat the Chinese, and all these stupid wars, I agree with you.
	But if you want a good military, should women be in the military at all?
	Let's get everybody's answer on this.
	Go ahead.
	If you want the best military, not an equal one.
	Just men.
	Just men.
	I mean, but women are such good FBI agents.
	Like, we're just naturally good at...
	Not private investigators, because women are the best at finding out that your boyfriend's cheating on you.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	We're not talking about that.
	We're talking about...
	So how do we decode, like...
	Just answer the question.
	We're talking about storming Normandy, defeating the Nazis, winning a war.
	I mean, the Kazakh stands.
	Oh, gosh.
	The Kazakhs are.
	The Kazakhs.
	They actually had women in the military in the Soviet Union, but that's a separate issue.
	Go ahead.
	For the sake of argument, no.
	No women.
	Maybe no.
	But also make sure that every single man that is in there also is up to par.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, I think if the men are really passionate about it, then no women.
	Okay.
	I don't want a world where people are barred from much.
	Okay.
	No.
	I don't know if you guys even remember the question.
	I'm trying to get best here.
	It's kind of like.
	It should be all men.
	You think it should be all men?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I want to come back to what you said really quick here.
	You did kind of, when I asked you the question, you brought up the wage gap, like equal pay for equal work or whatever.
	Do you think that that should also apply to like police officers?
	Like they're doing the same job, right?
	Like between and like firefighters.
	So like should men and women be paid equally?
	Like between police and firefighters?
	Yeah, like with police and firefighters?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But for our two Australian friends, can I ask a question for you?
	Do you think men OnlyFans models should make the same as female OnlyFans models?
	Great question.
	Yeah.
	So you'd be willing to take a pay cut.
	What do you mean by that?
	Like they take it out of your pocket.
	Well, because men, when it comes to online content.
	Presenting yourself earn fractional what women earn.
	Like one tenth.
	Nobody wants to see balls.
	I mean, I've always been told like the gay people actually get a lot of subscribers, like more than women.
	We're going to run this experiment.
	Me and Charlie are going to open up an OF account, and we're going to see, and we're going to, but, but.
	Let's just take our own separate...
	For example, the best paid male model in the world makes about $3 million a year.
	The best paid female model is like $35 to $40 million a year.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's not even close.
	It's like a 10X and it's almost across all disciplines.
	I didn't even know that myself.
	And so in OnlyFans, I imagine this would be the case.
	I mean, for example, I'm not a fan of pornography at all.
	I read about it in the book how I'm not a fan of it.
	However, in online pornography, female actresses earn way more than male actresses, not even close.
	Well, isn't that because of the subscribers?
	They're more male-based.
	There's like, what is it, 60% of the time?
	Oh, there's reason or something like that.
	For sure.
	I mean, men consume pornography more than women, women increasingly so.
	So I guess for my two Australian friends, do you think that there should be a law that says that you should earn the same as your male calculators?
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	I don't think that at all.
	I think it's just up to how much you post.
	Like, it's up to you how much money you earn by how much you are posting on your so it's about merit, creativity, ingenuity.
	That like consistency kind of thing.
	And trying to find the right niche and everything for yourself.
	Nick, you want to pull that up?
	So therefore, if there was a law generally in America where it says that women should be paid the same as men, you'd be against that.
	Well, because it would apply to OnlyFans, because it could harm you.
	See, you're both in an industry where women earn way more than men.
	Yeah.
	So you'd be because progress is easy to support until it hits your bank account.
	There are many men in OnlyFans managers.
	No, of course.
	This is actually, I went to a protest.
	This is me.
	It's terror.
	This is like potato quality.
	Equal pay for men on OnlyFans.
	I went to a protest.
	I had a bunch of crazy protest signs.
	And so, yeah, I think men should be paid equally on OF.
	That would be fair, right?
	I have a question, though.
	Do you guys set your own prices?
	So how come the man just doesn't set his own price equal to the woman?
	No one buys it.
	Exactly.
	So how would you guys can implement the you guys paid to get the same?
	No, of course it's market-driven.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So if the law gets passed, they would still make more than the man because they have more subscribers, right?
	And not because they're getting paid more.
	It depends how it's written, but in the abstract, it would say that equal work for equal pay.
	That's literally what they just marched from the streets for.
	So your question is not so much as like getting paid by the same rate pay, but you're saying annual pay?
	It depends.
	So let's say there was a company that employs OnlyFans models, and then they take a cut and they do all the work for you, okay?
	And they employ male and female OnlyFan models, and they both work 10 hours a day.
	The female OnlyFan models will earn $1 million a year for the company, and the males will only bring in $100,000 a year for the company.
	Should they have to pay both of them the same because it's equal work for equal pay?
	Or should they give more money to who's actually bringing money to the door?
	The women for the company?
	I don't know.
	I don't have an opinion on that kind of stuff.
	I think you both know the answer.
	You're just afraid to say it.
	I don't know.
	That women should be able to earn what they earn and they provide in the OnlyFans model.
	I find OnlyFans to be disgusting.
	That's a separate issue we talk later.
	But I'm just trying to find this.
	However, how is that any different in a corporate environment when men are more likely to travel for work?
	They're more likely to go make the second or third call for a promotion or a raise.
	So the Equal Pay for Equal Work movement kind of falls apart when it comes down to online female modeling, doesn't it?
	I think it should be fair.
	I think it should be fair between how much they earn, but that it is actually up to how much you want to earn by the amount of posting you're doing.
	If you're not posting anything, you're not going to make just as much as that girl that is posting all the time.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Me and Imogen don't earn the same.
	She posts more than me, and she makes more than me.
	Is that fair?
	I think it is fair because it's up to me.
	I agree.
	I think I'm.
	So shouldn't we structure all of society?
	That wife who works the hardest gets the most?
	Yeah, so feminism is dead.
	Let's say I work two hours a day, Imogen's working eight hours a day doing TikToks, reels, and all of that stuff, like making content for the OF wall and everything.
	She's earning more than me, but then I'm being lazy and I'm laying back.
	I'm not making that much.
	You're making an argument for market-based capitalism pretty well.
	I think that it's up to the men.
	If he was to work just as much as Imogen doing eight hours a day, then he should just earn just as much.
	By law or just let it happen?
	Just let it happen.
	Okay, and if he falls short and he ends up earning half?
	Then just work harder because she's been working hard.
	Got it.
	So when if you look at a big company like Apple and I tell you that the female engineers earn less than the male engineers, just let it happen, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Just let it happen.
	No?
	Oh, no, I agree.
	Oh, yeah, just let it happen.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I agree.
	We are wrecking New Age feminism here.
	Destroyed.
	Annihilated.
	Okay.
	I want to come back really quick.
	You brought up the wage gap.
	Let's see.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	You brought up the wage gap.
	You're saying, well, should be paid equally in, you know, if you're doing the same job.
	Is that correct?
	So you're, you're, and do you believe that there is a gender wage gap?
	Since you brought it up into the mic?
	I mean, that's what we've been, like, taught in school.
	That must be true, right?
	That's what you've been taught in school.
	Okay, so, shoot, I missed my notes on the specific thing with the wage gap.
	This is kind of an interesting stat that we found out recently.
	So what are your thoughts on, for example, they actually found that Asian women out-earn white men.
	Do you subscribe to that wage gap?
	I don't know.
	Nick, could you pull up the data on that?
	So median weekly earnings of full-time workers, white men versus Asian women.
	So you have white men, Asian women there.
	Recently, just the Asian women, you guys are killing it.
	Good job, Maddie.
	Good job, Maddie, back there.
	Why is that?
	You guys are killing it.
	Do we know why?
	Good for you.
	Cole.
	Different.
	I don't know.
	Is it a skill issue?
	Something like that?
	I don't know, man.
	But so is this perhaps evidence of Asian women oppressing white men?
	I think that's what it is.
	Oh, my God.
	I think Asian women are oppressing white men.
	Or just working harder.
	Could be.
	Sometimes merit explains a lot of this.
	Almost all the time.
	Oh, I remember my question.
	Sports.
	So, you know, when it comes to basketball, soccer, there's been a bunch of articles on this.
	Do you think that women in sports should be paid the same as the men in sports?
	So like men's basketball, women's basketball.
	I want to start with you.
	I'll open it up to the rest of the panel.
	I mean, I think that generally the men's sports are watched more.
	So I think it makes sense that they would get paid more because they have more like views and anybody I agree with that.
	Anyone object to the differential payment though in sports?
	Should it be equal in sports?
	Should it be equal?
	Female basketball players should be paid the same as male basketball players.
	It's like the most based panel ever.
	You're talking about pro sports, not like the Title IX stuff in colleges and spending.
	Professional sports.
	Professional sports, yeah.
	Let's say like Ray Griffin San Antonio.
	I mean, we had this.
	You don't have thoughts on this?
	No, I feel like it's equal.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	If men seem to be in the world, women don't earn as much as men do.
	Okay.
	Okay, reasonable.
	All right.
	And by the way, JSR, I'll just quickly adjust your message that came through.
	By the way, I've just paused them temporarily really quick just to get through a few things.
	I'll let a few of them come in.
	JSR, yes, the scene from Saving Private Ryan, absolutely excellent.
	Also, all quiet on the Western Front, it's available on Netflix.
	Strongly encourage you guys to watch that.
	It kind of shows the just savagery and brutality of warfare.
	So, okay, we hit that.
	We've hit the draft stuff.
	Actually, really quick on the draft stuff, Charlie, I've got to push back here against you a little bit here.
	I'm actually, so I'm in favor, Charlie, of women being drafted.
	Now, here's why, Charlie.
	First off, actually, that just occurred to me the whole like, well, then they would just get pregnant.
	Fertility.
	You know, they just go and get pregnant to avoid deployment.
	Service guarantees citizenship, that's the other thing.
	And then also, you know, I say frontline combat too.
	Like, you know, soften them up a little bit.
	Then when the men come in, like, soften up the enemy.
	So, like, send the women first.
	Right, right.
	And then, like, you know, they like soften them up.
	And then, like, the guys can come in and like finish the job.
	You know?
	Do you concur?
	To use women as human shields?
	No, not as human shields.
	As a stupid war.
	No, no, no, no.
	But like, throw them in, soften them up a little bit.
	Oh, throw them forward as like.
	As the combat.
	What are we supposed to do for them?
	We can come in and take all the credit.
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not a word for that.
	Okay.
	They do use women as hydrogen.
	Okay.
	So I did want to ask, I don't know why I wrote this down.
	I wrote down capitalism for some reason.
	Just really quick, is everybody in favor of capitalism or would you prefer some other?
	I mean, it creates problems like the overusage of adult content, for example.
	I think that's a product of capitalism.
	So there wouldn't be no OnlyFans if we were like communist or whatever?
	I think there probably not.
	Charlie, there's probably still going to be some runarounds.
	But I mean, no, that doesn't mean that.
	No, no.
	One doesn't negate the other.
	Okay, fair.
	So in favor of, I don't know why I wrote this down, but I have, okay.
	In favor of capitalism, or do you prefer, would you prefer like socialism, communism?
	Capitalism is okay.
	Okay.
	I say it's fuck capitalism, actually, but I also, that's the only option we have at the moment.
	I'm not for socialists or communism or any of that.
	So you acknowledge that there's issues within capitalism, but despite those issues, it is currently the best system that we have.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	I don't really have an opinion.
	So if, let's say we were communist, you would not be able to, if it was a con, like you wouldn't be able to dye your hair blonde if it was coming.
	My hair's dying.
	What's that?
	How do you know my hair's dyed?
	Just a guess.
	Just a guess.
	Just a hunch, you know?
	Oh, so like, can you just define it then?
	Hair dye?
	No, like.
	Define what?
	Common?
	Yeah.
	I'm going to defer to the community.
	What is communism?
	I'm not saying this.
	Do they teach communism in college anymore?
	Or like, I'm just saying, like, why do you bring up me being blonde?
	Well, he was making a tongue-in-cheek point of saying that in communism, it's total control of one's life, totalitarianism.
	So you can get stupid and arbitrary rules like that.
	You probably wouldn't be able to buy hair done.
	Yeah, communist dictatorships, yeah.
	Maybe they prioritize that.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Here, just show of hands.
	Anybody against capitalism, so I'll just move it along.
	I think total unfettered capitalism is a little brutal.
	That's why we have antitrust laws and some things to regulate when it's completely unfettered.
	But for sure, it's there was, I might get it wrong, but there's somebody famous who said it's a terrible system, but better than all the others, right?
	Sure.
	Okay, I think that's nobody.
	I'll let a couple of these chats come in.
	They're going to come in in just a second.
	Then we're going to, I want to come back to that clip we saw because we didn't really get a full reaction to it.
	Then we have a couple things, other things we need to react to.
	Sorry, guys.
	We're just letting a few of these come in.
	And I'm going to let...
	Ah, shoot.
	Sorry, guys.
	We're on a delay here.
	By the way, guys, Charlie's book.
	Oh, right-wing red.
	Oh, great, you guys.
	Thank you, Doc. Bangs Jr., there are more women than men doctors in primary care, and there is a specialty exclusively devoted to women's health.
	Men do not.
	How are women patients underserved?
	Cheers, Charlie.
	Do you want to address that really quick?
	How are female patients underserved?
	I don't feel like addressing that right now.
	We've already moved way past that.
	Do you want to add one little thing?
	I'm good.
	I'll ask you a question.
	We're not going to debate it, at least now, anyways.
	Do you think that part of your position on that has to do with abortion rights?
	Yeah, slightly, yeah.
	Okay, we can, I'll write that down perhaps if time permitting.
	We'll get to that in a bit.
	Joe Murphy, hold on, where was the other one?
	Sorry, guys, a couple of these chats are coming in.
	I'm going to read them, and then we'll get back to the reaction to that clip that we pulled up.
	Kirk, can you make the same argument about equal pay about any other institution but only fans?
	Yeah, healthcare.
	Okay.
	Female nurses earn more than male nurses.
	Thank you.
	And there are also more female nurses than male nurses.
	All right.
	And also teaching as well, elementary school teaching.
	There's also more women that are OBGYNs than men, OBGYNs.
	All right.
	And then Cheeks here says, I'm extremely disappointed that nobody on the panel knows what real feminism is.
	In extreme short, feminism is the destruction of the nuclear family.
	Patriarchy never was about equality.
	Drizzle, drizzle.
	Okay, thank you, Cheeks.
	Appreciate it.
	By the way, if you can, just scoot into the table a little bit.
	You're just going to cut out a frame there.
	Okay, thank you guys.
	I'm going to pause it just temporarily just to get through our next couple things and then I'll get the soup chats later.
	So going back to, if you guys recall that clip that we were looking at, so you guys all remember essentially she's this kind of more liberal, progressive woman who's like upset that she can't find, at least among the men that she wants to date that match her values and match her progressive liberal feminist values.
	She doesn't get the traditional treatment from those guys.
	What are your thoughts on that on the clip?
	And also, do you think liberal women deserve chivalrous treatment?
	So I think we were, I'll just ask you, do you think liberal women deserve chivalrous treatment?
	i'll just ask you do you think liberal women deserve chivalrous treatment can you explain more uh like so So do you want me to repeat the question?
	So, okay, do you think liberal women deserve chivalry, right?
	The guy opening the car door, paying for the first date.
	Walking next to on the left side of you on the street instead of the right side, so he's walking closer to the car in case something happens.
	Do you agree on that?
	So do you know, do you think liberal women because chivalrous treatment I would categorize as traditional treatment, but it's not clear to me if liberal progressive women are traditional women.
	So you're asking me.
	Do you think liberal women, so let me hear, do you think non-traditional women are deserving of traditional treatment or chivalrous treatment?
	No.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Deserving.
	I don't think it's for me to say what people deserve and don't deserve, but I do think that if you're dating liberal men, you're less likely to get the sort of traditional types of things.
	We see that in Scandinavia, for instance, where women have even more power and money per capita than here, and so men are very 50-50.
	I'm actually, I'll just get your guys' answers again if you already answered it.
	Do you think liberal women deserve chivalrous treatment?
	Of course.
	And you said you've received it.
	Yeah, every guy I've dated.
	Because you consider yourself progressive, right?
	Yeah.
	Liberal, feminist.
	Yeah, I'm not like hardcore liberal, but I'm progressive, and I don't see a reason to ever date someone who wouldn't give me chivalry.
	It's kind of like I think every woman deserves the wonderful experience of a man courting her and treating her well and respectful.
	I agree.
	I think that they deserve to experience.
	Yeah.
	And so you deserve that, correct?
	Yeah, I think I deserve it.
	Yeah, I think women or liberal women do deserve.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I agree with that as well.
	I think ladies deserve to be treated like ladies, and not all women are ladies.
	Well put, okay.
	Let's say I think everybody deserves the experience of at least once having a chivalrous guy.
	I don't believe that all women want the chivalry.
	Sure.
	Especially the more progressive feminist.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	Charlie, I think you recall the clip.
	Yeah, I mean, you don't always get what you deserve in life.
	But yes, every woman should be treated the same regardless of their political views.
	But if you are a progressive and you go out of your way to go, you know, date femme boys, then don't be surprised when they can't even hold the door when they open it.
	Well, I have a question for you, Charlie.
	I mean, do you think the type of men that are more likely to give women that more traditional treatment, do you think they would lean more conservative or liberal?
	Chivalrous treatment?
	Chivalrous treatment.
	Oh, conservative, without a doubt.
	Yeah, without a doubt.
	I mean, and that's a generalization.
	I mean, there's exceptions to every rule, but the vast majority of conservative men would, at least everything I understand, would consider it to be insane not to treat the lady with chivalry.
	Because the conservative movement in general is much more understanding and appreciative and trying to protect the natural order of male-female differences and distinctions.
	And that's one of our differences.
	Do you have a thought on that?
	I have a question.
	I completely agree with what you said right there.
	But what would you say about incels who describe themselves as part of the conservative community?
	Incels, so they should go find a wife.
	That's what I say, regardless.
	I mean, I think that it's destructive if we have a single men is a big problem.
	In the Bible, it says, God said to Adam, it's not good for man to be alone.
	Men being single over 30 is a big problem.
	And by the way, women being single over 30 is also a big problem, and I talk about that.
	But single men are more likely to commit crimes, more likely to go to jail, more likely to get into drugs, more likely to be isolated and distant on society.
	Men need women as much as women need men.
	So if it was up to you, you wouldn't allow the incels to be a part of the.
	Well, allow.
	I mean, if you believe my value system, but if I ever confront it, I'm going to tell you, get your life together, get your act together, stop being a loser.
	Valid.
	So this is actually a perfect segue into our next segment.
	Charlie, you came under a bit of heat.
	I've never said anything controversial.
	Never.
	You got some backlash.
	You got slammed.
	That's what the news articles are.
	Nick, and I pulled those.
	I'll give them a trigger warning before.
	This is a spicy clip.
	But you guys can say whatever you want about me, but it's not the full context, just so we're clear.
	Gotcha.
	But I did say it.
	Yeah.
	So, Nick, pull those up.
	There's some news articles.
	You're always in the news, Charlie.
	But you said, I mean, and I think they're probably taking you a little bit out of context, but Arizona said it, but that's not to tally.
	It's not that to the point, right?
	Birth control is why women are so bitter.
	Slam.
	That's not the only reason.
	You got slammed for calling women the third.
	Not a hormonal birth control messes with women's brains, which is true.
	And then you faced backlash for saying women in their 30s are past their prime.
	Again, not exactly what I said.
	And I do, you know, if.
	You could defend me.
	By the way, so we're going to pull up a couple of the clips.
	If they exclude any additional context, you can let me know.
	We can pull up the whole thing.
	No, it's fine.
	I don't care.
	I mean, it's fine.
	Or just tell us what the additional context is.
	No, I hope you get the spiciest clips.
	Okay, we'll get the spiciest clips.
	So we'll start with the first one.
	There's three total, Nick, if you can go ahead.
	Go for it.
	A lot of them are on birth control, too.
	And birth control, like, really screws up female brains, by the way.
	Every single one of you need to make sure that your loved ones are not on birth control.
	It increases depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation.
	Birth control is the number one most prescribed medication for young ladies under the age of 25.
	They will give young ladies birth control for pimples, for acne, to control their moods, their period.
	It is awful.
	It's terrible.
	And it creates very angry and bitter young ladies and young women.
	Then that bitterness then manifests into a political party that is the bitter party.
	I mean, the Democrat Party is all about bring us your bitterness and we'll give you free stuff.
	It's like we'll trade you bitterness for stuff, essentially.
	That's like the Democrat Party.
	A lot of them are on birth control too.
	We can play it again.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	To be clear, I meant hormonal birth control, to be very clear.
	So yes.
	I think it'd be interesting to at least hear from the women.
	Is anybody here currently on hormonal birth control?
	No, I actually hated birth control and how it made me feel.
	So do you sympathize with what I was clumsily trying to say?
	A little bit.
	A little bit.
	How did it make you, can I ask?
	How did it make you feel?
	I was kind of confused when you mentioned, what was that you said?
	What causes them to go into that political party?
	The bitterness.
	We can get into that, but I'm more focused on how did it make you feel?
	Like, were you depressed, anxious?
	Oh, yeah, it made me feel horrible.
	My skin was awful, and I just, I didn't feel like I was aligned with my life, but maybe that's, I'm just too in tune.
	But it's not better or worse.
	I'm also not on birth control.
	I also didn't like my experience with it.
	I've never been on birth control.
	I took it years past in my late 20s, and I also didn't like the way it made me feel.
	It's heavy progesterone, a lot of depression.
	And yeah, I no longer have to deal with that.
	I used to take it when I was younger, but I didn't agree with it.
	And the way it made me feel, like sick, gave me a bit of acne, and I think it's some reason why I did come up with entrometriosis.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So I didn't agree with it.
	I'm not on birth control, but I used to be on the pill.
	Personally, for me, I didn't experience any side effects.
	My skin was really clear, luckily.
	But I stopped taking it because I was just scared of the side effects that it might have.
	Rip?
	Hold on.
	Keep going, guys.
	Keep going.
	I've never been on it before.
	Never been on it.
	I'd say in addition to the side effects, there's also been a couple studies that have come out showing that women that are on hormonal birth control more look at more of the beta guys.
	And then once you get off of it, you're looking for more of the alpha type guy.
	And I would say in my experience, I was on hormonal birth control because I had endometriosis and PCLS.
	Oh, wow.
	And my ex-husband was very much a beta, had hysterectomy, decided I wanted to divorce him.
	And I am now very much with a very dominant alpha male.
	Awesome.
	But yeah, terrible side effects.
	Do you feel, those of you that were on birth control, that they properly informed you of the possible side effects before you went on the pill?
	No.
	They didn't let you know about the spiritual side effects, which was like hanging out or getting guys who were like less of your caliber or whatever that was for you.
	Because I had the similar experience of like unalignment generally.
	So you felt that you were attracted to different people while you were on the pill.
	Sure.
	That's amazing.
	It was only like a few months, but yeah.
	Maddie, can you fix that, please?
	Okay.
	There's an interesting study at my alma mater that they found that exotic dancers made way more money when they were not on hormonal birth control because they and they're not sure either men can sense it, like maybe smell or for a moment, or maybe we don't know, or maybe women like men better.
	They don't know for sure, but it made a distinct difference in their income, go figure.
	Okay Nick, there's another clip.
	Can you also just see the volume on the other side?
	You said you had a question, though about the second part of it, of my comment.
	Oh yeah, what did you mean about?
	They were distressed, was a distress?
	Oh yeah, I said that.
	Bitter oh bitterness yeah, if you, if you get too far in your life, in my person, most young ladies deep down want to find a partner, they want to get married and they want to have children.
	There's exceptions to that, but if you suppress that for too long, it can create a lot of bitterness.
	Okay, I can see that.
	Nick, can you pull up the other clip?
	It is maxed.
	Okay sorry chat, the volume's a little low on these clips.
	Now he's saying, get your kids off birth control and and and.
	Praise God, they shouldn't be on birth control if they're your kids.
	No Christian parent should ever allow their daughter on birth control ever period there.
	That, that that is.
	And you, if your daughter's on birth control, or granddaughter, get them off immediately.
	Now he's saying, get yeah, same thing.
	Yeah, and again, I meant hormone.
	I was using a failure term of hormonal birth control.
	Okay, and then the next clip, I think is the one that drew the most ire not just for you know, from both, can I, can I say this ahead of time?
	So what a better way I could have said this is that as you get older, your dating pool shrinks.
	I, I said it fine, but like there's one word that's clumsy there, and you know, I met my wife, Erica when she was in her late 20s.
	We're now super happily married and we did nothing wrong.
	Charlie huh, you said no no, no.
	I want to be clear though because again, no one is above criticism or reproach.
	However, the essence of what I said is a hundred percent true.
	That's what I will say is that you can kind of sometimes, you know, stumble over your words, but the essence is 100% true.
	All right, let's play the clip.
	Girls are gonna react to this.
	Go ahead.
	We basically told a great generation of young women don't get married, don't have kids, go get a corporate job and it's created mass political hysteria.
	And then in their early 30s they get really upset because they say, you know, the boys don't want to date me anymore because they're not at their prime.
	And people get mad when I say that well, this is true if you're in your early 30s, I'm sorry.
	It's like you're not as attractive in the dating pool as you were in the early 20s, but again you have your corporate job and cats.
	So I thought you know we basically there you go, was the audio boosted on that one then?
	Oh, okay, this is super low.
	Anyways, your reaction to the clip, starting with you, go ahead.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Whereas the crickets, you can cue the crickets.
	Yeah, I'm a player.
	You can say whatever you want.
	I don't know.
	No, I really don't have anything to say about that.
	I mean, yeah, the dating pool does shrink.
	That's very true.
	Okay.
	Any reaction to that?
	I also don't really feel like I have to make a comment on that.
	There's really not much to say.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Sure.
	Dating pool shrinks.
	Also, some women want a job in cats, and for them, that's a good time.
	Again, I lean toward a world in which people can do what they want.
	Sound like an anarchist, right?
	I honestly don't have an opinion.
	We suck.
	Yeah, I know.
	I thought when you told me you were going to play my tapes, Brian, I was going to get screamed at, and people were going to throw stuff.
	I guess I'm not as controversial as I thought I was.
	Yeah, see, you've got a warm reception here.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	They co-sign everything.
	Run for politics.
	We don't have to answer now.
	I do have a question.
	want to make it cooler culturally for women young women to want to be mothers and be married and you know anti-Steinham stuff then then what's the there's got to be a long-term plan right to change the culture yeah and that's part of what we're I'm trying to I'm first trying to live what I believe and build a family because I think that's important you Then I'm also trying to advocate this in a culture where it's not always celebrated.
	And I would love to just really go quickly around the corn, super quick.
	If you had to choose between, if you could only pick one, marriage or career, which would you choose?
	If you had to choose.
	Can we do that?
	Yeah, can I add one thing?
	So is it so great, amazing career or beautiful, healthy family?
	That's correct.
	Okay, that was.
	If you had to choose.
	Now, you can have both in life, but if you could only pick one.
	I would say marriage.
	Marriage.
	Yeah, the healthy family.
	Family.
	Marriage.
	And can I answer the other question?
	Yeah, of course, yeah.
	So I actually want to back him up on, you know, you're not really in your prime once you turn 30.
	I know I got married at age 23.
	I mean, I was pretty.
	I was an athlete.
	Married the wrong guy, became obese.
	Yeah, not now, obviously.
	But yeah, once I divorced him after I turned 30, the dating pool was vastly smaller.
	Well, thank you for defending me.
	I could have used you a couple months ago.
	I'm in Phoenix, so.
	No, that's right.
	We should talk.
	No, and I just, the last question I'm going to ask is I want you to think about it.
	If every single one of you said marriage, are you making deliberate steps every day to get closer to that goal, or are you making steps to get closer to the career goal?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Because I believe that in a marriage, since it is, you're coming together as a contractual agreement, I do want to provide to a certain extent, just in case my husband can't, I am going towards a career at the moment.
	No, and I only ask just, and again, you don't have to go, we don't have to run the horn.
	I think it's important, though, to answer your question.
	Far too often, we do not tell young ladies, if you have to prioritize one more than the other, would you rather have your tombstone say CEO of a shoe company or loving mother of three children and a wife?
	And if you would rather have loving mother and of three children and a wife, then you should prioritize that more in your early 20s than your career or going to college.
	Because the tragedy is there are far more single, early 30-something women in this country than married 30-something women in this country.
	The fertility rate's the lowest ever been, marriage rates the lowest ever been, and it's because we tell young ladies you can wait forever to do this.
	And that's not the case for everybody.
	It's the case for some people, but not the case for everybody.
	And I think it's a tragedy.
	I think while even you have a family, you should.
	I'm trying here, man.
	Even when you have a family, you should still have like, what happens when the kids are done and they graduate and they move on out of the nest?
	What does a woman do then?
	Does woman just take care of?
	Well, that's assuming that.
	That's a really smart question, though.
	In fact, we are doing everything the opposite.
	We should say, focus on family formation in your early 20s, then go to college in your late 30s.
	Sure.
	But what if you make a child?
	Because college will always be there.
	No, that's a very fair point.
	Love and life come with a huge risk.
	Sure.
	But the greater risk is dying alone.
	But I feel like we also have to acknowledge the fact that one of the reasons why so many women don't want to prioritize marriage right now, just straight out of you're 18, let's work on getting married and having kids and then think about college, is because college gives you so many opportunities that you can focus and work on that directly.
	You come out of college, you have all these open doors.
	Whereas if you're 18 and you decide not to go to college because you want to prioritize a marriage, that can go wrong in so many other ways where you have no backup plan.
	Now you're 25 making minimum wage so much farther behind towards a marriage than the woman who already graduated college, who has financial stability to be able to have kids and provide for her kids.
	So that's where like that's a fair point.
	You could always go back to college.
	I'll reiterate that.
	However, that's not the problem in America.
	The problem right now as it is, because the problem you're talking about was the problem in the 1960s, which is what Gloria Steinman said.
	If my husband left, I would have no way to feed myself.
	That was the core essence of her critique.
	Like if my husband left, I would be having to go to get food stamps because I have no skills except being a stay-at-home mom, which by the way is like the most important thing ever, being a stay-at-home mom, but that's a separate issue.
	But right now in America, we've gone to the other extreme, which is you could delay it.
	You can delay it.
	You can have kids whenever you want.
	And we have 15 to 20 million single women in the country that have great careers.
	And I feel like another reason why a woman right now, it's so hard for them to just prioritize having kids is because if you haven't gone to college, got the education, you don't have a husband who also is very financially stable, who's going to provide for those kids?
	You know what I mean?
	We're in times where it's so I don't sympathize with that argument as much.
	First of all, if you get married, by definition, your costs go down because you have two people then paying for rent, right?
	Or for a mortgage.
	So you can actually consolidate income.
	But studies actually show men earn more as soon as they get married and have children.
	Something primal kicks into us.
	We take a second job.
	We work extra hours.
	we figure it out.
	Men are actually very, men are super simple.
	Women are very complicated.
	Men, as long as we feel appreciated, we feel noticed, and we feel special, and we see our role and our purpose, we will go to the ends of the earth to feed our family.
	We'll figure it out.
	And I think we're underselling American men.
	We say, oh, you know, I wait until I'm 27 or 28.
	That's fine, but look at the cost of that.
	And the cost is right now, just as we're clear, we are on pace 10 years out from now.
	We're going to have 20 million 40-something women that never got married or have kids, but they have big apartments and they go on lots of vacations.
	And I also think that's one of the reasons we're seeing the suicide rate, the anxiety problems, the depression problems in our country.
	Do you have a thought?
	Yeah, I just feel like how many people that are like, or how many males that are 20 are like ready to get married and like ready to have a family.
	So the question is, which one leads which?
	Men, yes.
	But in the 1950s or 1960s, the time we're supposed to hate, young ladies looked at it, it was my task to find a husband before the age of 25.
	And it was like the most important thing for them.
	Now, that came with a lot of costs.
	Some people would say that it was handcuffs and, you know, being in prison.
	But if young ladies, first and foremost, no offense to my two Australian friends, got off of OnlyFans and stopped posting naked pictures of themselves online and made themselves harder to get, men would step up to the plate.
	One of the reasons why men are grown infants is because women are so easy to get right now in America.
	There's no desire, there's no hunt, there's no search.
	So you can be a grown infant and you can get sex.
	When it used to be in the 1950s, women would be like, I'm not giving myself over to you.
	You're a man-child.
	Like, you don't even pay rent.
	You have nothing going for you.
	When now, unfortunately, you can pay $10 a month to go see a woman naked.
	No offense.
	Well, actually, kind of offensive.
	Aren't you separating five bucks?
	Yeah, I think that's a good question.
	But I'm just saying that.
	But to my OnlyFan friends here, do you think that you both want to get married, right, and have children?
	Yeah, of course.
	Do you think that you are more desirable or less desirable to a future husband when you post suggestive or naked pictures online?
	I think that we're entitled just as much as other people.
	No, you're totally entitled.
	You have freedom to do it.
	I'm asking a different question.
	Are you more desirable or less desirable for a man?
	It's always been the same for me.
	Like, I've always received love the same way.
	And that's pretty shit.
	Like, I don't really receive it.
	They all looked at me the same from the beginning.
	How do you know how men look at you?
	Because when I talk to them, I usually fall head over heels for them.
	And they all view me the same way.
	So whether or not I'm doing OnlyFans and selling my body or not doing OnlyFans and selling my body, I'm still looked at the same way.
	They still think that of me.
	You don't know the male mind very well.
	But they've already told me themselves.
	And men are really good liars.
	Do you know that?
	True.
	Then how could you know they're telling the truth?
	I don't know.
	I just take their word for it.
	You just said they're good liars.
	Well, I don't know.
	I'd say a lot of the guys that I know are more, I guess, the higher value type guys.
	And they don't take OnlyFans girls seriously.
	No, yeah, just like that.
	Some people actually do want OnlyFans women and want to marry OnlyFans women and have kids with OnlyFans girls.
	Erroneous!
	But very few.
	Errorous.
	Well, but hold on.
	Do you think those men are virtuous, high-quality men that won't cheat on you?
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay.
	It doesn't sound like it, but it's actually really normalized in my area.
	No, the fact that it's normalized is not the point.
	The point is, is it good?
	Is it right to post suggestive pictures of yourself online, number one?
	And does it get closer to your goal of being married for the rest of your life with a soulmate that you love?
	I feel like, obviously, I want to get married.
	And obviously, I feel like if I was with a guy and he didn't accept my past, I wouldn't want to be with him.
	your past if you're still doing it if they like if you quit so let me ask you a hypothetical If you met a man and he says, I'm earning $2 million a year, would you quit OnlyFans?
	Okay, like that, yes.
	If they can make as much as I can, then yes, I'll.
	So you would quit OnlyFans?
	But if they're going to say, like, stop doing it, but they're not doing anything with their life, then no, I'm not going to stop.
	So it's just purely financial for you.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Definitely.
	Would you agree it's just purely financial for you?
	Literally, yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you think that you have more to offer to the world than your body?
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	Then why don't you do that?
	Because you chose not to.
	Yeah.
	But I know, but don't you think?
	I mean, we have more to offer, but we also want to be able to travel and explore.
	Okay, no, now we're getting somewhere.
	So you want a fun life.
	Yeah, a fun life where we can travel, like live our life young.
	Everything in life comes with a cost.
	Of course.
	And the cost for you is that your body will now be shared by tens of thousands of people, not just your soulmate.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But don't you feel a little bit of sadness that you wish that your body would just be sold with your future, shared with your future soulmate?
	I did have that mindset, and then like, I feel like men actually changed me and turned me into this person.
	Who did?
	A men?
	No, like men in general.
	Like they just turned me into this person.
	I didn't plan my life going this way.
	It was literally a one-minute decision.
	And I thought, I might as well, they all view me the same, so I'll just throw my life in and do it.
	But I feel like if a man wants to be with me and love me for who I am, then so be it.
	But if they're going to judge me for what my work is and what I do, then I'm not going to let them in my life.
	Right.
	So the judging is a separate issue.
	I'm just, do you think the type of man you want, I imagine, is one that tells the truth and that is loyal to you.
	Yeah.
	That pool of men that you eventually want to have a family with, do you think they will look fondly upon OnlyFan girls?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I could tell you as a man that we look so lowly on OnlyFan girls, it's the equivalent to digital prostitution.
	Yeah.
	That's your opinion.
	No, it's not.
	It's the average Western male.
	I don't know if it's.
	So what is his opinion?
	I mean, it's not an opinion.
	It is factual that the average Western male looks at OnlyFans no different than an escort service delivered digitally.
	Well, isn't it just objectively true?
	And I'm not trying to attack either of you.
	I think you're both victims caught up in this terrible trend.
	I just want to ask you: have you thought deeply about how this might get you further from your goal, not closer to your goal?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, I have definitely thought about that one.
	But when, like, I first started it, I was like, this comes with consequences, though.
	So, like, I obviously thought about it and was like, but I'm taking, I'm going to do this, and obviously, it's going to be harder to find a guy to marry, but I'm taking that risk.
	Yeah, I've always thought about just taking the risk.
	And I've always been like a risk taker.
	I don't really care about what anyone else thinks.
	Like, that's up to you and what you think.
	But if I think that I can get somewhere by it, then I'm going to do it.
	Do you both want children?
	Yeah.
	Well, I do, but I don't know if I can.
	You mean physically or?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So if you were to have children and you were to go to your first graders career day and you were to present to a bunch of first graders, how would you describe what you do to a bunch of first graders?
	Well, I don't think that I'll still be doing OnlyFans when I do have kids.
	I feel like that's something that I would stop before I did have kids.
	Yeah.
	Just so like it's not like, obviously the internet is always going to be there.
	The internet is forever.
	Yeah.
	But I feel like it's something that I would stop before I did have children kind of thing.
	Can I ask approximately?
	I have no idea.
	How much money do you earn annually?
	Is that okay to ask?
	I'm just curious.
	So in the last six months, I've earned over $115,000.
	U.S. dollars?
	A U.S. AUS.
	So what is that conversion rate?
	Like 80%?
	Yeah.
	You can buy like a croissant or something with that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think it's 80,000 American, right?
	About?
	Yeah.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah.
	I think so.
	I'm guessing.
	I don't know.
	Within six months?
	Yes.
	So you're projected to have like over $150,000, $180,000 by next year.
	$160,000?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So $12,000 a month.
	Did you have more on that?
	No, I just want to make sure everybody watching and you guys all think deeply about that and how men view not just OnlyFans culture, but you all said marriage and some of you said marriage and kids is the most important thing, but far too often our actions and what we do every day is actually not getting us closer to our stated goal.
	Well, you can say that to the subscribers too, who subscribe to them.
	Oh, don't, I mean, I think contribute to their pockets, but that's what I mean.
	They should be shocked.
	How can we find husbands in our 20s, in our early 20s?
	I'm not in my early 20s, but how could we find husbands if they're busy subscribing to OnlyFans chicks?
	Yeah, well, not every man is.
	And that's a really good question.
	So where did all the good men go?
	I talked about this in my book, actually.
	The first piece of advice I have for young ladies is do not post suggestive material yourself online.
	Men want what they cannot see and cannot have.
	Mystery is lacking in the West.
	And I know this is lost on a lot of young ladies.
	Say, the more I post of myself with a bikini on the beach, the more men will like you.
	No, I mean, the more they'll want to have sex with you, but then they'll look at you as just a visual or commodity, not as a future soulmate.
	And the second part is, to be perfectly honest with you, religious men check a lot of the boxes that you guys are looking for.
	I know that, would you agree with that?
	Yeah, that's my, I feel like that's one reason why I was able to find men like that.
	It's because even though they weren't conservative, they still had very, very deep religious values.
	Can you tell me more?
	That's so interesting.
	Mainly Catholic.
	I'm also Catholic.
	Yeah.
	So, and they were, they believed in the God, right?
	They wanted to have a family.
	Yeah, they didn't necessarily like read the Bible word for word every day, but they like followed the Bible.
	So, would you say that's if you're looking to find a man in the West and it's your number one priority and you were given a random selection of a Catholic man or kind of a femme atheist, you would take the Catholic?
	Yeah, I would.
	Would you?
	The Catholic, yes.
	I think femmboy atheist is so.
	So, how many of you are then going to church actively trying to find a man?
	I mean, I don't need to.
	I also, I know, but I didn't meet any of my boyfriends.
	And I feel like I wouldn't have, if I'm going to be honest, I feel like you can meet a really religious man outside of church.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah.
	You just have to find where you guys both coincide.
	And yeah, like at the library studying for your exams, for example.
	I actually recommend to my single friends to find men in the church because I agree.
	Usually stand-up guys, typically.
	Yeah, and I mean, there's exceptions to every rule.
	And so, my advice to my two Australian friends is that if you want the thing that is the most important thing to you, start making those decisions younger than older because you might end up be filled with a lot of money and a lot of regret.
	Well put, Charlie.
	Well put.
	Let me read two of these chats that we have.
	Kind of Hugo.
	Here we go.
	Thank you, Hugo.
	Appreciate it.
	Yeah, I'll get it.
	And then he sent in this other one here.
	Yeah.
	Hugo, Brian Reed, I know your faith, service, and perseverance, but you tolerate that fake prophet, Jezebel, who leads my servants into sex, immorality, and idol worship.
	She refuses to repent, so I will cast her into suffering and make her followers suffer unless they repent.
	Rev 21922.
	And then in this one, though, you said it was 1921.
	Thank you.
	Might be a different one.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, it could be a different one.
	Yeah, these are the same.
	But Hugo, thank you, man.
	Really appreciate your chat, guys.
	If you want to get any, get in some couple chats.
	So I do want to get into our next topic here.
	And that topic is, we've asked this on the show a couple times.
	It went viral.
	This conversation, not from the show, went viral.
	I think it'd be good to do it while we have Charlie here.
	Question is: Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or a random bear?
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	How random?
	Totally random.
	So the U.S. male population is like over 150 million, so just a random man.
	I've heard really good arguments for both.
	Well, what's, I guess, kind of your need for choice here.
	How long am I stuck?
	I think you're overthinking the question a little bit.
	So it's just random man or a random bear or so.
	Okay.
	You get randomly plopped in the forest.
	Sure.
	The man gets randomly plopped in the forest.
	You are going to cross paths.
	The choice is between crossing paths with a random man or a random bear.
	Random man.
	Okay.
	So I'm going to preface this.
	I was on the show like what was like a month ago and we had that question and I did answer bear.
	And I'm just going to say, I'm going to change my answer for the sake of, I don't feel like arguing with friends.
	Wait, no, You can't change your answer for the sake of not wanting to argue it.
	Answer on this question.
	Because the reason why I chose the bear last time was for the sake of the argument, if I'm going to be so honest, like if I, a random man, the chances of it being like all those points I made of the violent, the essay, all that, the chances of that are pretty low compared to the chances of the bear seeing me running after me, you know.
	So I don't feel like arguing for the sake of the bear.
	We're going to choose the man today.
	So to be clear, your answer is the bear, but you just don't want to argue it because Charlie's here.
	No, no, no, no.
	I said I chose the bear on the show last time because I, for the sake of the argument, I had so many reasons to argue for the bear.
	Whereas, like, right now, I'm like, why would I even do that?
	Like, the chances of it being a violent man and all those things that I had already mentioned, which you know.
	So I convinced you through my argumentation.
	No, the thing is, I already knew that from the start.
	Like, if you told me, if you phrased the answer, like, if you phrase the question like this, one of my male friends, or a male I knew, or a male that I've even in IV, that I know, like you know not the question, though I know, but I'm being so real today are you?
	Yeah, that's good, so I'm gonna choose the man.
	You're saying I choose the man.
	If you frame the question like no, I'm saying like that just adds to it, but I'm choosing a man either way today.
	Okay, man.
	By the way, don't let people's previous like you can.
	If somebody else says man and you think bear, you can, don't let them pressure you into answering.
	Otherwise, go ahead, of course, man.
	But I'm curious what your reasons for bear were.
	I guess I'll go watch that.
	Yeah, we can get men or bear.
	Yeah, I don't understand why I would be with a bear.
	So wait okay, hold on, hold on, okay.
	Let me just explain the scenario here.
	So yeah, there's a button on the table.
	We press it boom, instantly you're transported into a forest.
	So is a random man and so is a random bear.
	You guys are gonna cross paths within five minutes.
	Let's say okay man okay, I would say bear.
	There we go.
	Okay, we got a bear man.
	Man you would rather.
	And so we'll get into the reasons why.
	I think when we asked men this question, I try I'll frame it differently for you, Charlie would you rather your daughter be alone in the woods with a random man, totally random man, or a random bear, probably man, I know, I know how vicious bears can be and you might get a man who would be charitable.
	So you say, bear, come on guys, you were bear last time, we'll just okay.
	Anyways, why do you say bear over men?
	I just think, like the chance of you potentially getting stuck with a man that could like like yeah, you can get mauled by a bear, but like a man can like, keep you in captivity and like they could yeah, they could torture you.
	They also help you out of the way, but help you survive yeah, but I feel like I could probably do it myself too.
	Fair enough, so so you said that there's a chance that the men could do X. Right, so they could.
	They could, you know, whatever.
	What percentage of men do you think in this scenario would opt to do like, victimize you in some sort of way?
	I mean, I would say maybe high just because like, even if I'm walking on the street I'm like getting harassed, so like okay and that's wrong.
	But so when you say hi, can you uh like give us a percentage 50, 60?
	I want to say 50, but Okay, so 50, so in this scenario, you think 50% of men would choose to attack you or do something untoward in this situation?
	I mean, you never know.
	I just think, like, yeah, like a bear, you can approach the situation more calmly and you can walk away.
	What if I told you bears run faster than humans?
	Does that change anything?
	No.
	Okay.
	Because I think if you.
	So you think 50% of men are inclined to victimize you in some sort of way?
	I just would rather not be in the forest with a man.
	I'd rather be alone with a bear.
	Well, yeah, so that's the question.
	So there's like, how many men are in here?
	We've got two, four, is it six?
	So half of us, three of us, in this situation would like try to do something gnarly, you think?
	I mean.
	Like that's 50%, right?
	But like if it's like the whole population, there's probably a good amount of men that would want to try to do something that's not helping you get out of the forest.
	And is that percent of the population?
	Is that 50%?
	I think that's the number you used.
	I mean, potentially.
	Okay.
	What if the man has to be afraid of us?
	Do you think it's fit?
	You go to UC Riverside, right?
	Do you think it would be?
	Femboy.
	Do you think it would be 50% of the men at UC Riverside would do this?
	I mean, if anything, I think.
	Higher?
	No, definitely.
	Lower at UC Riverside, okay.
	Yeah.
	But I don't think if I was stuck in the forest.
	What's the population of the United States?
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	If I was stuck in the forest with a man from UCR, I don't think they're going to help me.
	Where are they going to get?
	Yeah, like I don't think they're going to do this.
	Okay, so what's the population of the United States?
	320 million or something?
	Anybody know?
	It's 350, I think.
	350, okay.
	So then how many is that?
	That's 170 million men?
	About?
	175?
	So half of, let's say, half of 170 is 85?
	Do I have that right?
	Sorry, it's been minutes since I took algebra.
	Right?
	75 million?
	Or wait, what did I say?
	70?
	It's like 125, right?
	75 million?
	175 million.
	100.
	Wait, so half of that is just over 87 million.
	87.5.
	85 million?
	87.5.
	85, let's just say, okay.
	So are you prepared to state that 85 million men in the United States would choose or opt to victimize a woman in this scenario?
	Hopefully not.
	Well, what you hope is kind of irrelevant here.
	I'm just trying to get clarification on if you think the number is actually that high, that you think half of men would.
	I just think it's a 50-50 chance that the person that you're stuck with is that they would either help you or help you not.
	Like, they won't help you.
	Well, okay, that's well.
	Like, you think it's a 50-50 chance that they would help you or not help you?
	Yeah, depending on the person, there's a 50-50 chance that they will help you or not.
	Not saying 50% of the people.
	But you said your fear is about being attacked.
	So I don't, how does helping you play into this?
	Or like there's a 50-50 chance of them either attacking me or wanting to help me get out of the forest.
	So 50% of men would choose to attack you?
	No, I'm saying like.
	It's a 50%.
	It would be an individual percentage.
	Like.
	I don't know how to explain.
	You mean like on the basis of choice, like a man will either hurt you or help you?
	Yeah.
	No, I think it's either he'll help you or not help you.
	And then within not help you, maybe he'll attack you.
	Yeah, but that percentage goes very low.
	So I mean, I feel like I've been camping enough, so I feel like I'd rather just be with the bear.
	Have you ever seen a bear in person?
	I mean, no, but.
	My friend, me and my friend discussed this one time, and she chose bear.
	She genuinely thought that like big bears were like Winnie the Pooh size and like adult bears were like German shepherd size.
	Steve or one of them.
	Yeah, ambitious.
	Yes.
	Nick, can you pull this up?
	This is kind of related.
	Oh, you've been in power chat?
	No, it's the one that should already be.
	Brown bear, nine feet tall, 1,300 pounds, claws up to four inches, bite force, 1,200 psi, speed up to 35, Kyle, 510, ooh, 174 pounds project engineer said hi to you at the gym.
	So this is kind of like, this is my views on this.
	It's just, I don't know, this is pretty interesting.
	So, I mean, Charlie, so we've asked this question a bunch of times on the show.
	A lot of women say bear.
	This panel, we only have the one here.
	What are your thoughts on this sort of the women picking the bear?
	Well, I'm curious, have you been victimized by men?
	Like random men, yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	Like cat calling, I think that's what you were alluding to before, right?
	Yeah, I know.
	Like guys who are asking me on the street or whatever.
	No, I'm curious how many people give those answers, have had repeated negative interactions with random men.
	Because it could definitely color there.
	I think it's daily.
	But.
	Oh, daily?
	I'm sorry to hear that.
	Yeah.
	But no, I mean, there's, I mean, in America, a lot of people would think that men are out to hurt you.
	And they're not totally wrong sometimes.
	But, I mean, percentage-wise, you're much more likely to have a bear rip you apart than have a man rip you apart.
	So.
	What are the stats on, like, it's one in three or one in four women report that they've been sexually assaulted?
	It's a lot.
	way inflated though that's yeah it's it's there's a lot of rapes and sexual assaults but that's what are the stats on i hung out with a bear and live to tell zero right Nobody's been able to do that.
	I've seen a grizzly bear up close and personal, and I've lived.
	Only them.
	That is not fun.
	You don't want to see a grizzly bear.
	That is not fun.
	Scary.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're huge.
	I mean, and I'm a tall guy, and you look at them.
	Yeah, you're tall, Charlie.
	You're 6'4 ⁇ .
	Yeah, 64, 65, and they get up, and you look up at them, and they, grizzlies are worse.
	Now, you didn't specify what type of bear, though.
	Oh, yeah.
	Koala.
	I was being reasonable.
	Well, koala.
	But if it's a black bear, they will not hurt you.
	But if it's a grizzly bear or a polar bear, a polar bear will hunt you.
	I thought brown bears are safe.
	No, as I said, brown is safe.
	Well, brown is a mixture of black and grizzly.
	Oh, black is safe.
	Brown, it depends how you define it.
	It's not a real term.
	Grizzly is a round face, and they'll hunt you down.
	But polar is the worst.
	Polar is the only animal that actively hunts humans.
	Yeah, see, if Brian would have specified polar bear that first round on that last episode, I would have never chosen.
	Polar bear, as soon as they smell your scent within like a 50-mile radius, they're hunting you.
	Oh, my gosh.
	So if you pull a tag to hunt a polar bear, it's a two-way hunt.
	Yeah, I think everyone is under the assumption it was the other bear.
	Yeah, but the grizzly bear will leave you alone as long as you don't like overly provoke them.
	But a grizzly does kill humans.
	Very rarely does a black bear kill you.
	We actually had, I think a month ago, within the past.
	I've done a lot of bear hunting.
	Within the past month, here in California, first ever black bear fatality.
	A woman is extremely rare.
	It is rare.
	A woman was killed by a black bear up in where it was.
	Where was it?
	She must have done something weird.
	She tried to poke the bear.
	I don't know.
	I'm sure it's not.
	Or excuse me.
	That's a joke.
	If you take a 22 when you're bear hunting, make sure to Off the end, because then it'll hurt less when the bear shoves up here.
	A 22 will not slow down a bear.
	You'll just anger it.
	Do nothing, right?
	No, that's bear spray is actually more effective than 99% of firearms in stopping a bear.
	That's a good little side note if you're ever backcountry hiking, because most guns will just piss off the bear.
	What is bear spray?
	What's in bear spray?
	I don't know.
	Bepper spray.
	Yeah, it's like pepper spray, but it's so irritating to the bear, it just flees the area.
	Yeah, it goes right up their nasal cavity, and they just get out of there.
	I mean, again, the goal is not to kill the bears to get them out of the way.
	So you do not want to mess with a mama bear either.
	That's no fun.
	Now, I did want to get back into some perhaps dating-related.
	David doesn't know what he's talking about.
	There you go.
	Sister's friend.
	We're okay.
	Some dating-related topics.
	So, actually, I don't know if we went around, would you guys day-date, did we already ask this?
	Would you guys date a conservative guy?
	You didn't ask that.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If he wasn't hardcore.
	Hardcore.
	Hardcore.
	So no hardcore.
	No MAGA hat.
	No conservative.
	Yeah, like I can't have MAGA hat.
	That's not a MAGA hat.
	What if he's like a conservative from a different nation?
	Like Kazakhstan.
	Like Germany.
	Yeah.
	Wait, no, no, no.
	See?
	No, no, not part of ISIS.
	Like, if there's, like, a country where conservatives are, like, not hardcore, not Trumpy, just regular guys.
	Like the UK, would that be a good, they're kind of less, conservatives in the UK are less.
	They're like Democrats.
	I'm curious.
	So I would date a UK conservatives.
	I'm not here to debate you.
	I'm curious.
	When you hear of MAGA E-Trumpy, what is, like, give me a word association?
	What do you think?
	Someone who wouldn't like me.
	Like, for one, it's not even just that.
	Huh?
	I didn't say anything.
	What?
	Is it the hair?
	Like, is that what they would not like about you?
	Yeah, this hair tends to trap a very different type of man than the Trumpy.
	It's like the, yeah, you know, the bangs.
	Yeah.
	Trumpies don't like the bangs.
	They don't like the bangs.
	But that's good because I don't like trumpies.
	I don't want them approaching me either way.
	Trumpies.
	What about Trumpies don't you like?
	Oh my god.
	Do you want a list of things?
	I'm curious.
	I don't meet this.
	Well, if I'm going to get really specific, the type of trumpies that I grew up with, because I'm from Woodland, California, so those are like rednecks.
	Yeah, yeah, Redding, California.
	No, no.
	Even north of that?
	Yeah, like you know where Sacramento is.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah, right next to Sacrament.
	And then right between Davis.
	So it's like Cowtown, like Farmer's Land.
	So that's his Trumpy Trumpy world.
	Yeah.
	Like, yeah.
	I can't do redneck.
	But I think you were going to list kind of some of the reasons why.
	Well, I don't.
	I'm going to date a Trumpy.
	Yeah, because that's the type of man I'm envisioning.
	A racist redneck who drives his little tractor around town and raises goats for his free time.
	Sounds like a good time.
	I mean, the tractor part.
	I mean, I mean...
	Maybe not the racism.
	Yeah, well, I'm also Hispanic and I speak Spanish, so it's like, yeah.
	These men wouldn't deal with that.
	Aren't there like Latinos for Trump?
	Oh, there are huge trees.
	There's a lot of conservatives that are like tons.
	Yeah.
	What about like a.
	Are there like immigrants for Trump or is that?
	Well, there's, I mean, there's all sorts of coalitions.
	That would be, yeah, something.
	But no, I'm not.
	I wouldn't date an immigrant for Trump either.
	Okay.
	No.
	So that's like a no-go MAGA hat.
	Yeah.
	No-go.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Every man I've loved has been conservative.
	Oh, okay.
	Yes.
	You date a conservative guy?
	I haven't dated, but I've dealt with one.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Well, didn't you say that part of the reasons your relationship broke up, I think if I recall, you said he was a bit more on the conservative side.
	Your ex-boyfriend of three years?
	I wouldn't say he was like conservative.
	Maybe not like political.
	It was Islamic, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It was religious.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it was Muslim.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, yeah.
	Word?
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Okay.
	And I married one.
	There you go.
	I don't date men.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	I want to ask this question.
	Would you date a young Donald Trump?
	Like, literally, young Donald Trump?
	Yeah.
	When he was young?
	Yeah, when he was young.
	Hell yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, there you go.
	Would you date young Donald Trump?
	Fuck no.
	Fuck, fuck no.
	Okay, all right.
	What about you?
	Of course.
	Or would you date Donald Trump now?
	Well, he's married, so that would be rough, and I like Melania, so I'm not going to do that to her.
	But yeah, in the 90s.
	I have friends who used to date him in the 90s.
	Two of my friends.
	Yeah.
	And apparently he was a great guy.
	Super fun, super smart.
	I mean, in Manhattan, everyone above a certain floor is a Trump fan.
	Everyone below a certain floor hates him.
	It's kind of vertical in Manhattan.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	Would you date young Donald Trump?
	DT?
	No.
	No?
	Not your type?
	I don't even know much about Donald Trump.
	It must be nice living in Australia with a lot of people.
	No.
	I've only seen pains of him this year.
	Sure.
	Would you date young Donald Trump?
	I don't even know what he looked like when he was young.
	He was very dashing.
	Hey, pull up his mug shot, please.
	I don't know much about him, so I can't really have an opinion.
	No, I think he's a little bit too old.
	I think he uses as much fake tan as you guys.
	Oh, he's in 15.
	Oh, my God.
	It's a natural.
	It's in fact tan.
	Oh, so it says it's natural?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	It is the gold coast.
	Yeah, yeah, my bad.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay, well, they photoshopped this.
	They photoshopped this.
	They photoshopped this.
	They put red in his eyes.
	That's definitely, you know.
	So mean.
	Anyways.
	Handsome guy, right?
	I wouldn't date him if he was younger than me.
	Okay, all right.
	I'm curious.
	So if the election was today, would you vote for Trump?
	Yeah.
	Wait, but are you a U.S. citizen?
	Yes.
	Oh, I thought you didn't you say you were from Russia?
	Yeah, I came here when I was three.
	Uzbekistan.
	Kazakh's the best.
	Uzbekistan.
	I think I know your answer, F no.
	I was just going to say no.
	Okay, and then...
	I'm still on the fence.
	My family knows.
	I'm very, very divided.
	Okay.
	I feel you.
	I just don't know.
	And then Australia, so not applicable.
	Who are you going to vote for?
	In the presidential election.
	I don't vote.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	No idea.
	Trump.
	I think I know your answer.
	I'm like being a landlord.
	This is a Trump-heavy panel.
	Why don't you vote?
	We could do young Donald.
	There he is.
	That's cool.
	Still kind of old, not going to lie.
	Yeah.
	Oh, is that successful, Donald, though?
	Yeah.
	That's before he really started.
	Look, he's got some bodybuilders.
	That's not body shame.
	I don't know if he's going to be so looking forward to his trousers on.
	Yeah, this is a bit, you know.
	I think perhaps some of them are a bit frightened in your presence, Charlie, to reveal their super progressive and liberal positions.
	You're not that.
	I'm not a bear.
	He's not a bear.
	Not a bear.
	I'm going to read.
	Actually, I'll wait a little bit on the chat.
	I did want to come back to the feminist conversation.
	Would you date a guy who's not a feminist?
	In what way?
	Like, he's just not a feminist.
	Like, what does he not, does he want me to not vote?
	He's fine with women voting.
	Let's just say that.
	But he's not a feminist.
	I don't know.
	I think that question has to be elaborated a little bit more.
	It's pretty generalized.
	It's hard for me to say.
	Okay, I'll move it on.
	What about you?
	Well, is he anti-feminist or is he just like, oh, I don't hold political views type of guy?
	He is anti-feminist.
	Okay, no.
	No.
	Would you date an anti-feminist guy?
	No.
	Oh, no.
	Actually, and you were gone when we asked this.
	Would you date Donald Trump?
	No.
	Young Donald Trump?
	Young Donald Trump?
	Okay.
	There were so many answers.
	Yes.
	Would you date an anti-feminist?
	If he's hateful and hates women, I don't want to hear it, so probably not.
	Okay.
	Well, so you can be not a feminist, but also like women.
	Okay, then you sure.
	But you don't even know what these anti-women are.
	You can't be anti-feminist and like women, really.
	No, you can.
	To that degree.
	I mean, because anti-feminist men are saying that women shouldn't vote.
	They should stay.
	Not necessarily.
	Not necessarily.
	So you can be.
	So feminism is an ideology.
	It has nothing to do with.
	People who label themselves as an anti-feminist man.
	You're saying they tend to.
	Yes, they tend to be those type of guys.
	And we're going under generalization, you know.
	Then let me ask this question.
	Do women who label themselves as feminists, do they hate men?
	No.
	Okay.
	Are there feminists who hate men?
	For sure.
	Very.
	Sure.
	And there's anti-feminists who hate women.
	Yeah.
	And there's feminists who hate women.
	It's the weirdest.
	There's anti-feminist women who also don't have any hate for women either.
	Yeah, it's a weird world.
	Yeah, but you can be a woman and be anti-feminist.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's not clear to me.
	So what, I mean, if you had to assign a percentage, what percentage of anti-feminists do you think also hate women?
	Over half.
	That's why I would choose half.
	Yeah, that's why I would just choose no for that man.
	That's a pretty big number.
	Not sure I, I don't know if they've done a study on this, but I can't imagine that that's actually accurate.
	Where we were going around the table, would you date an anti-feminist?
	No.
	No?
	Okay.
	Probably not.
	No.
	Yeah, sure.
	Take back the right to vote.
	I don't care.
	We didn't earn it.
	Nope.
	Oh, there you go.
	That's the new one.
	It's based.
	Okay.
	I would.
	You would.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, well, there you have it, folks.
	I don't hold that.
	First off, I have a quick question.
	Can I please ask?
	Okay.
	So if you say, take back the right to vote.
	Okay, cool.
	Let's say they do that and they promise you everything traditional, right?
	But then they say, by the way, because of the way that we've been living under the way things are right now, we're under the whole population thing where there's not enough workforce, which is already what they're saying, right?
	So what if they implement a new law where they say women have to have four kids, five kids, six kids even, and they write that into law?
	You can't vote on it.
	Are you okay with that?
	Oh, yeah, I want like 12.
	Like, I'm a huge family.
	And you are okay with all your daughters being forced to have six kids and their daughters being forced to have six kids.
	Yeah.
	Like, you understand that it's not just you being affected.
	It's everyone around you.
	Wait, you object to people being forced into something?
	Yeah, I object to people being forced to have kids.
	What about the draft?
	I'm against the force.
	Yeah, but you, but okay, the current status quo is men are forced into registering for the selective service.
	Because we already agreed that there has to be a draft.
	By the way, the scenario that you outlined would, I can't imagine, even, I don't even think.
	I would hope it would never happen.
	I don't even think historically there's ever been a law that compelled women to have children.
	Yeah.
	Now, it could have been socially and culturally in Saudi Arabia.
	Yeah, they don't even have that in like a daily basis.
	It was just an example.
	I just wanted to see where her mind was at.
	She answered it truthfully, and that's that.
	It's not an argument thing.
	It's just, I wanted to see where she stood with that.
	Like, she's 100% okay.
	I have a question.
	What if we lived in a world that forced men onto the battlefield and they had to die and go in the trenches and get trench foot and get chemical gassed?
	What if we, oh, you mean the current world?
	Oh, okay, okay.
	What if we lived in a world where men created that themselves?
	Oh, wait, we do.
	Well, actually, here, let me just rebut what you're saying.
	So, they actually did an analysis of monarchs, and they actually found that queens were much more likely to wage war than kings.
	Yeah, queens were also a lot more likely to have successful empires.
	So, that's one thing.
	Okay, but that doesn't really.
	It does, because why did they have a- So you're saying, but it's men's fault.
	If I point out, I said men, no, I said that thing, the war thing.
	I didn't say everything is men's fault, did I?
	I said the war thing.
	Right.
	Who created that?
	What are you talking about?
	Men.
	Who created war?
	It's not clear to me if men created war.
	So, are you arguing that women are actually on front of war?
	Let's assume that.
	Is that your argument, Brian?
	Let's assume that there were no men.
	And it was just societies of women.
	They could, what is asexual reproduction?
	I don't know what the term is called.
	Parthenogenesia.
	You don't think like differing tribes of women, you don't think they would like engage in warfare?
	100%.
	I just don't think that they would have the current draft that we have.
	I don't think there would be a draft.
	That's a very hypothetical scenario.
	Yeah, it very much is, but I don't think we'd have the current draft scenario that we have if women were the ones that fought at the front lines.
	There's no men ever.
	No woman wouldn't be choosing.
	Let's just send everyone to war.
	Wait, so what's the argument?
	What's the argument?
	Are you saying women want peace more?
	No, he just asked me who started war and I said men.
	Oh, and I was.
	I didn't ask you that question.
	You just, that manifested out the ether.
	What just happened?
	Okay, anyways, I had that point.
	I said men started war and you were arguing against that.
	That was that.
	So you're saying that woman, if men didn't start war, then who did?
	It's not clear to me if it's because of gender that wars occur.
	There's various geopolitical conflicts.
	This is my land.
	No, it's my land.
	It's not clear.
	I'm a man.
	I have a pee-pee.
	Because of this, I'm going to go to war with other men because they're men.
	Like, that's not the justification or pretext for war.
	I think that the current way that we handle war and that war is, is because of men.
	How's that?
	That's just my opinion.
	How's the way we handle war?
	the current political state like the way war is i just feel like that's because of men if you disagree and you say it's because of women that's no i'm not saying it's because of women It's not clear to me if it's because of gender or because of sex.
	Oh, I believe so.
	I believe so.
	So you think, so men engage in warfare because men?
	Yeah.
	Because of our male nature.
	Yeah.
	It couldn't be due to geopolitical conflicts.
	This is my land.
	No, that's my land.
	I feel like it could be handled very much other ways than war.
	But because of the way that the world already is, we're at a point where the only option is war.
	You can't give humans war and atomic bombs and all these things and then expect them to be like, actually, let's just have peace forever and ever.
	Like, because you guys already introduced war and all these things and the current political state, we're always going to have war with the way we run things right now.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'm not really hearing an argument, though.
	There was no argument.
	I just said that this was because of men.
	You wanted to argue against that, so it's kind of prolonged.
	Is it because of men or because of human beings?
	Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting at.
	Well, I think it's because of men.
	So if women ran the world, what would that look like?
	I honestly don't know, but a lot more peaceful than we tend right now.
	Free tampons.
	So that's an interesting question.
	Do you fight more amongst other women, or do you see men fight amongst other male friends?
	Honestly, the way things are handled, I see men have a lot more conflicts than women.
	Men are more physical.
	But not to say women.
	Do women hold grudges more or do men hold grudges more?
	Honestly, the way I see it in the world is-you know the answer.
	I could see it on your face.
	Men duke it out faster.
	Do men forgive quicker?
	I don't know about that.
	I think it depends on the man.
	Do you hold grudges against other women?
	I don't.
	Wait, you were going to say, actually, when it came to the grudges question, what was going to be your statement?
	Oh, I don't.
	I don't feel like.
	He was asking who holds grudges more.
	I don't know.
	I don't think women have to hold.
	From around the table, go ahead.
	About who holds grudges more?
	Huh?
	What was the question?
	You didn't hear what he literally just said 10 seconds ago?
	What do you think?
	Well, I would, I wanted to say that there's lots of war in non-humans.
	Chimps and lots of animals do war.
	And a lot of females, we talked about mama bears.
	There's very few things more violent than a mama if you come after her babies.
	So I don't think violence is the exclusive bastion of men.
	I just think because in sexually dimorphic species, ones where the male is bigger than the female, men are stronger and can do more damage.
	They're just bigger.
	But that's not all animals.
	Is conflict inherently masculine?
	It's inherently human.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, human.
	Would the world be better run with more of a feminine approach or masculine approach?
	I feel like it needs to be more balanced.
	Because what I mean by that is men aren't just masculine forces, whereas women aren't just feminine forces.
	They're blend.
	Exactly.
	So currently in America, is America run in a more feminine way or a more masculine way right now?
	It's kind of hard because even, I feel like if you look at most men in America right now, they have a lot more femininity than they should.
	Like they're not masculine enough.
	So I don't know.
	So let me ask it differently.
	Do you think in America, feelings triumphs over reason or does reason triumph over feelings?
	What do you think?
	The former nonsense.
	Feelings over reason?
	Right now, I feel certainly on the internet and it's nonsense.
	And that would be more feminine than it is masculine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Anyone care to disagree?
	Anyone else want to weigh in?
	Bring back men.
	Even my most ardent feminist friends.
	At certain times, they want a man.
	That's in us.
	And maybe there's a time to be sort of a man, and there's a time to be what's ascribed as more feminine, right?
	When you listen to your wife Kvetch about stuff.
	Yes.
	So when society is more feminine, it is hard.
	So in the traditional nuclear family, it is dad or the male's job to say no, to be the rulegiver, to put in order and regimen.
	That's not to say that mom can't, but mom is supposed to be there to be the more empathetic, compassionate.
	And we see this time and time again, by the way, of boys that are raised by just moms, very, very violent in their trajectory, right?
	Especially if they don't have men around.
	It's just the way it is.
	Because they've never had a male figure to tell them no.
	Do you guys think in America right now we have a self-control problem?
	I do.
	100,000%.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that might be because we have more homes without fathers than homes with fathers?
	It might even be a product of capitalism.
	I'm going to bring that back.
	You might be.
	Because if I can buy it, I'm going to buy everything.
	I want to buy six of these types of sweatshirts rather than just one.
	And that comes back to self-control.
	Yeah, we definitely do not have willpower or self-control.
	It's actually the two greatest predictors of human success is intelligence and self-control.
	One of those you can control, one of those you can't.
	Did anybody else want to answer?
	I know.
	I'm just in this lively chatter here.
	He was asking a question.
	Okay, here, I'll help prompt things along then.
	Let's talk about something like abortion trans.
	Is there something I can get like people talking about?
	I got something.
	Okay, I got something.
	All right, come on.
	Because I got to go in about 30 minutes, okay?
	Okay, perfect.
	Hard out at like 8 p.m. about?
	Okay.
	Yeah, we got it.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	I've got to get home to my wife.
	I'm going to make it dating related, but related here.
	Make it spicy.
	Let's get it.
	I'll give you spicy.
	I got spicy.
	All right, let's get it.
	I got spicy.
	Okay.
	Would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
	Would I object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman?
	So a biological man who thinks he's a woman.
	Yeah.
	No, that's his choice.
	He doesn't want to date a trans woman.
	No.
	No, same way I wouldn't object to a woman not wanting to date a trans man.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	No.
	That's his choice if he wants to date a trans man or not.
	All right.
	All right, so let me try to spice it up here.
	Go ahead.
	What is a woman?
	That's a good question.
	Biologically?
	No, go ahead.
	Uternal.
	Uterus.
	Cool.
	Uterus, hormones.
	there other definitions of women that we should accept?
	This is an important This is not a silly question This is related.
	It ties in to the other one.
	It ties in with feminism too.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	That's the ground.
	That's the fundamental question.
	Important.
	Fundamental.
	Yeah.
	Important.
	How about this way?
	Anybody can chime in.
	Can someone that doesn't have a uterus that has a uterus?
	Should we just go around and let them?
	Yeah, sure.
	What is a woman?
	A woman is someone with a uterus.
	However, a uterus doesn't always define a woman because, for example, you can have your uterus surgically removed.
	You're not any less of a woman because of that.
	Should we have them all answered?
	I think so, yeah.
	And then if you want to respond, go ahead.
	Yeah, I believe that a woman has a uterus.
	So that would make me not a woman, in essence.
	Here, let's let the girls answer.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	You're asking if gender and sex are synonyms, and that's the big debate.
	If you think the word woman is a synonym for the word female, then you would say a woman has primary and secondary sexual characteristics.
	If you're saying the words woman and female are not synonyms, then you could include like trans people who call themselves women but don't have the first or primary or secondary characteristics.
	That's the debate, right?
	Anyone with a uterus?
	Or has it?
	I mean, biologically, it's someone that has XX chromosomes.
	Yes, someone with the uterus.
	XX chromosomes.
	I mean, yeah, I think there's men and women, there's not really anything in between.
	I think you need to be born with uterus, vagina, boobs.
	Yes.
	Everything.
	Well, intersex is more common than red hair or green eyes.
	It's not true, but that's okay.
	It's a good talking point.
	It's 1%, right?
	No.
	Not even close.
	But it's a good talking point.
	What is it then?
	Because it's not zero.
	It's like 0.001%.
	But it totally exists.
	Yes.
	No, I only pick on you for that because if I'm wrong about the number, but they do exist.
	So we do have people that are not male, sort of, not female, sort of.
	But it's a deformity, right?
	So they're not choosing to be trying to become aware of the music.
	Of course, no, I'm not talking about something.
	So for example, if I was born without a leg, that's absent of being two-legged.
	It doesn't create a new category of something, right?
	So intersex is XXY.
	So they're either more female or more male.
	They're usually more female, usually, but sometimes they cannot have both sex organs, a.k.a. they cannot impregnate themselves.
	So there's, it's... Hermaphrodite.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	Let me ask it this way.
	Does anyone believe that biological men can become a woman?
	I think people can call themselves unicorns at this point in time if they want to.
	So if that's what they choose to say, that's what it is.
	But becoming a woman is a very, in short, no.
	I'm not going to deny trans people as woman.
	Okay, so can I pause there?
	So if as a woman, can womanhood then just be appropriated?
	Someone can then say, I am what you are.
	No.
	You said you're not going to deny trans women.
	Yeah.
	So Dylan Mulvaney, who's a biological man who thinks he's a preteen woman, is he a woman?
	I feel like I'm just not in the position to tell him he's not a woman.
	If they say that they are a woman, I have no, you know what I mean?
	I'm not going to be like, are you a woman?
	Are you a man?
	That's nothing to do with me, honestly.
	Got it.
	So if I'm 30, if I said I was 12, would you acknowledge that?
	Yes, I would.
	You would?
	Okay.
	I would acknowledge it as dumb.
	It's dumb.
	So why is it dumb for age?
	I guess your answer previously.
	But why is it with sex or gender, we kind of get really cautious in saying, well, I'm not going to deny it.
	But if I said I was a wolf, he would laugh at me.
	If I said I was a giraffe, you'd laugh at me.
	But with sex and gender, we're like, oh, you could be whatever you want.
	Because it's, I don't know.
	Honestly, I've been looking at it from different perspectives ever since that issue kind of came up.
	Because I'm also, like I said, religious and also believe in the Bible.
	So it's like really conflicting, you know?
	But I feel like I heard this one thing on it where it was saying that it's almost like, again, I'm not saying this is my concrete belief, but I just heard this, which kind of made me think a little bit more about it.
	And they were saying how it's kind of like a mental illness.
	Like, you know, how someone could be 30 and they could truly believe they're 12.
	Like, those people really exist.
	It's a mental illness.
	Yes.
	Those people exist.
	You don't deny them that they exist.
	You don't tell them, you're 30.
	Like, what are you doing with your life?
	Like, you acknowledge that it's a mental illness and you treat the person as such.
	Great point.
	So if somebody, you're in healthcare, came to you and they said, I'm anorexic, so I think I'm fat.
	And they said, I want liposuction, which means the forcible removal of fat.
	Should you give them that surgery?
	Of course not, because that would be compromising their actual health.
	Hold on.
	But you just said that we, basically that we have to affirm somebody's mental illness.
	They want liposuction.
	Why shouldn't they get it?
	No, I didn't mean affirm their mental illness as an accept, oh, you are 12.
	I'm saying we shouldn't treat them as an, you shouldn't go up to them to the 12, the 30.
	The 30-year-old who thinks he's 12, which is a thing.
	And you shouldn't, because that's how people talk to trans people, right?
	They'll go up to them and be like, ha ha, you think you're a woman.
	Treat them with that disrespect and all that disdain.
	Whereas if you see the 30-year-old who's a 12-year-old, you don't go up to them telling them that they're 30.
	You accept that they have a mental illness.
	of course and you so let's apply it to the trans thing the 30 year old 12 year old and the liposuction thing wouldn't it make more sense to treat the person and say you're not what you think you are rather than affirming the lie that they think they're something else?
	I see.
	Because in the liposuction example, anorexia, you'd be like, no way would we give you forcible removal of fat if you're anorexic.
	But they'll just go to the next doctor who will.
	Will they?
	A doctor will not, under current medical procedure, give liposuction to anorexia patients.
	Correct.
	But in trans care, a 14-year-old can get their breasts removed if they think they're another sex, if they think it.
	See, and that's where it's really complicated, because it's like, if it is a mental illness, and if that, I'm not saying I'm 100% concubileist, but if that's the case, then you shouldn't, there should be a line of marker, because it's like, you shouldn't let someone who wants to mutilate their genitalia before their brains even develop.
	totally agree that if if it is a mental illness and it is something that's heavily messing up their brain what if you're onto something So the question is, when it comes to trans people, why don't we treat their brain instead of their body?
	See, I feel like, yeah, that's a good, really good point.
	That's a really good point.
	I can't really argue again.
	So I also, if my, even though I accept trans people and I do believe that trans women exist, I'm not going to deny them.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You're close.
	You're close.
	You're just saying that.
	I think you're saying that as a talking.
	But if my daughter, who is 10 years old, tells me, Mom, like I want or actually, let's make this easier.
	If it's my son that tells me, because that way he has a genitalia that could be cut off, right?
	If he tells me, mom, I'm not a boy, I'm actually a woman, mutilate my genitalia, I wouldn't do that.
	Okay.
	But so you but you just said but if they turned 18 and they asked me mom Will you consent to me doing this?
	Like, will you disown me as a child?
	Or are you going to accept me as your child who's a woman?
	I would accept them as my children.
	No, you're being consistent, and at least you acknowledge the adult-child distinction, which is super important.
	Which right now, just so we're clear, in California, as a 14-year-old, you can get your breasts chopped off, hysterectomies, like insane, irreversible damage.
	I don't believe that should be the case.
	Great.
	And I think that's a bipartisan agreement.
	However, it gets back to the question of, and I don't even know if you believe it, but you're saying it, that you say trans people exist, trans people exist.
	Okay, they exist as human beings.
	The question is, are they objectively the thing they say they are?
	I'm not one to answer that.
	Fair enough.
	Does anybody have a comment on that?
	They used to call it gender dysphoria, right?
	That's what it was in the DSM-3, DSM-4, and then the DSM-5, which is the diagnostic statistical manual for psychiatric care in the United States.
	But no, you've been intellectually honest on that.
	And I think it's not a silly question because I'm here with a panel of women.
	What it means to be a woman is a very serious thing, and it's a beautiful thing, but it shouldn't be trivialized for somebody that can just appropriate it, wear a dress and some makeup, and all of a sudden they enter the club of womanhood.
	Sometimes frustrating what the most ardent ones think is womanhood, that it's just wearing pink and prancing around.
	Women are.
	But isn't that an insult to women?
	It sometimes feels that way to me.
	It's like, that's what you think a woman is?
	Like, we fly planes and shoot guns.
	We do other stuff too.
	Yes.
	But you're completely complex beings made in the image of God.
	Yeah, it's like some weirdness.
	Not just the costume.
	It's not like dressing for Cinco de Mayo or something, right?
	It feels like they're wrapping themselves up and cosplaying womanhood in a sometimes weird way.
	You brought up Dylan Milvaney, and in his first videos, like the day one of womanhood was like, well, I cried four times and like went into credit card debt.
	And it's like, is that what you think this is?
	Yes, but they do because they think that the pro again, I don't, I don't, sorry if I'm interrupting Brian, but I don't trivialize that some people that are trans are suffering.
	So the question is, how do you treat suffering people with the truth?
	So in a medical situation, if somebody comes in and you take their diagnosis, what they want, and you know that there's something better for them, then you should lose your license as a doctor.
	It doesn't matter what the patient wants.
	The doctor should be treating them towards, but the issue is that the new standard of care is no longer to try to bring somebody back into biological alignment of their birth.
	It's now to try to let them on whatever journey they might think they're on.
	And especially with youth, that's a dangerous trajectory.
	I'm going to switch things up a little bit here.
	We're going to do something I don't think we've really done before.
	We're going to do a little tagging in, tagging out.
	So, this will only be temporary for the last about 20, 30 minutes that we have, Charlie.
	So, I'm going to tag three of you out.
	You're going to stay here.
	Just we'll tag you back in 30 minutes or so.
	Do you have like subs?
	Is this like a hot?
	We're going to sub people in, so you guys are going to get tagged out.
	So, I'm tagging you, you, and you out.
	So, just you guys can kick it back there for like 30 minutes.
	You can, you know, grab a slice of pizza, take a little break, and then other girls tag in the Harry Potter closet under the stairs.
	You just like you just gotta go to the bottom of the cupboard under the suit.
	Women waiting on the menu.
	Ready to go.
	Ready to go.
	They're coming.
	By the way, for everybody watching, this is a good book.
	Plug.
	Yeah, okay.
	Everyone, hello.
	You guys can get my book, 45books.com, Right Wing Revolution.
	It's available for sale.
	Get a copy right now as we're doing the hockey change.
	Be sure, guys, be sure to get it.
	Is it on audio?
	Yeah, where's the other?
	Thank you.
	Wait, where's the other one?
	She's right over there.
	Can you hello?
	Did you?
	Did she not get the memo?
	Sorry.
	I'm here.
	I'm always here.
	Hello.
	All right.
	Hello.
	We went to the bathroom.
	All right, we tagged in three here.
	We tagged in three.
	All right, welcome, guys.
	Terrible time now.
	Okay.
	I was wondering where you were.
	Oh, perfect.
	Yeah, I believe it goes well.
	Absolutely.
	It's hard.
	I'm going to put that in, sir.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Signing it to Heather by.
	Oh, he's signing it to Heather.
	There we go.
	The husband is a fan, I think.
	Boom.
	Beautiful.
	Oh, nice.
	Just the husband for the record.
	There you go.
	Something that I think could be interesting, interested about talking about is submissiveness.
	This is related to dating here.
	Nick, could you find that umbrella picture?
	And I'm curious, Charlie, if you kind of agree with this kind of, I guess, the biblical order of like a relationship.
	Nick, do you know what I'm talking about?
	That umbrella picture.
	So going around the table, starting with you, do you think when it comes to dating, women ought to be submissive to their partner?
	Yes.
	Generally, men lead.
	Men lead, women follow?
	Okay.
	Generally.
	To a degree.
	To a degree?
	No.
	No?
	Whatever works for the couple.
	Okay.
	I don't care.
	Don't care.
	If the man is deserving of it.
	If he's deserving.
	Depends.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yes, the wife should be submissive to the husband.
	Nick, could you pull that photo up real quick?
	Okay, so you got Christ, husband.
	I believe that.
	Wife, and you agree?
	Yes, but the key is that the husband must submit to Christ.
	That's important: is that if the husband fails to submit to Christ, then the wife no longer has to submit to the husband.
	Oh, nice.
	That's the kicker that is not talked about.
	See, I've never heard of that point when people talk about submissiveness.
	They always say you have to follow the husband.
	Well, it's not what the scripture says.
	The scripture says that women submit to your husbands as husbands submit to Christ.
	See, that's a lot more valid.
	And so if the husband fails to submit to Jesus on the throne, well, then, again, the entire contract falls apart.
	So if the husband's an alcoholic, a drug addict.
	Yeah, I mean, you have to use prudence.
	But yes, if the husband is repeatedly defying God's teaching or law, if he's being adulterous, if he's being abusive, then submission is violated because he's not submitting to Christ.
	That doesn't mean that the husband won't sin, but if he makes a pattern and a repeated defiant form of action, then that would violate that graphic and that scripture.
	Isn't that one of also AA's thing?
	Submit yourself to Christ.
	That's right.
	It's very important in AA to submit yourself.
	AA is the most successful model to how to free people from addiction.
	And the reason, and they've tried to replicate it, is because in AA, it is a uniquely Christian or geo-Christian thing.
	They have to admit God.
	I think when you're very down about yourself and down in your own life, it's very easy to accept God into your life.
	Otherwise, it's a lot harder for other people.
	But when you're experiencing something like addiction, it's a lot easier to bring God into.
	Accept a higher power when you're down on yourself.
	It's like, oh, this is when I can accept a higher power because you don't want to kind of blame yourself.
	You want to be like, oh, it's a bigger, it's a bigger power that's happening.
	But it all and it works because they realize that there is a God and it is not him.
	And I'm not him, essentially.
	So that there's a higher power.
	Now, those of the three of you who we tagged in, you've heard Charlie here, you've heard and all my hot takes.
	Where were you hiding this whole time?
	No, I was still diving out.
	I'm chilling.
	And they covered, yeah.
	Did you guys hear anything that you disagree?
	I heard Bronze.
	Shout out Bronazance.
	You said his name wrong, Doc.
	Ronazance.
	Spelled Ronald.
	Well, that has nothing.
	Okay.
	Did you hear anything that you disagreed with?
	It was more generally disagreed with a panel.
	It wasn't even him speaking.
	It was about the whole war talk and how men will start wars and all this because of testosterone or whatever.
	That was crazy.
	I just don't agree with that.
	It's more of a.
	Hold on, who's starting wars?
	Well, no, it's not a gender talk ever.
	It is a class talk.
	Oh, it's okay.
	Yeah, so it's an argument based off of class rather than gender.
	That's why the queen talk comes into play as well, where queens start more wars.
	So you disagree with her on that.
	Yeah.
	But is there anything you heard Charlie say that you have any?
	Oh, I was supposed to bring up with Charlie.
	That was the question, yes.
	Didn't you have a few points?
	Let me think about it for a second.
	We were just arguing in the chat, but I don't remember exactly a specific point.
	Okay.
	Do you remember anything we were a little bit more like abortion?
	Maybe a little bit.
	We can talk about abortion.
	Oh, that never gets old.
	I'll hit it, whatever.
	That's fun.
	That's a fun topic, isn't it?
	Yeah, I'm down.
	I'm down to hit on.
	Absolutely.
	I'm down to hit on that.
	Let me just, just because some of these chats are going to fall off, I'm going to read like three or four of them.
	This is going to be complicated.
	Can I grab water just really quick?
	Oh my god, what is it?
	Diva over here.
	To be honest, we'll get you.
	Just hang tight.
	Madison will get you guys water.
	Thank you, honey.
	Sorry, guys.
	I'm going to have to.
	I'm going to skip everything, I think.
	Shit.
	This is going to be difficult.
	Sorry, guys.
	Hold on.
	I put everything on pause, so it's just going to come in like, ladies, do not say man, do not give in.
	This is our chance to passively, aggressively remind men how much we hate them.
	Well, men are trash, and we need to remind them of this every day.
	I stand with the bear.
	Wow, Christine.
	Does anybody here hate men?
	Does anybody here think men are trash?
	I love them.
	Okay, good to know.
	I certainly love them.
	Sorry, guys.
	These are going to come in like very that I can't lift.
	MT marriage and family is really important, but what if a woman feels gay?
	Can it be healthy to marry a woman and have a family, or should we try to change to not be attracted to women?
	I mean, I guess you can't change that, right?
	I don't know.
	You could still have a family these days.
	Mtay Lemp.
	You have a TTS coming in from.
	Nickelodeon donated $300.
	New question.
	You're in the woods and there is a bear.
	Do you want a random man for help?
	Hint.
	The male lion protects the pride.
	The male chimps protect territory.
	Animal instincts.
	I would agree, hint.
	Not because PP.
	Really quick, so do you want a random man for help?
	Sure.
	But I think everybody here said man, so Nickelodeon.
	Okay.
	Everybody.
	Well, you're bear, right?
	You guys are bear.
	No, no, bear.
	No, no, Pandar.
	No, actually, shut up.
	Okay, so it's one-fifth of women are sexually assaulted, right?
	In the U.S.
	So statistically, we should choose man, right?
	If it's a random, random person.
	Yeah.
	That's just.
	You disagree with me.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm going to not.
	No, it's just a statistical.
	I'm a good choosing man, but that's just the same thing.
	Not true.
	You should choose the four out of five, right?
	Well, it makes sense, but that concludes verbal.
	I'm just going to get through these.
	Kill of cereal.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Holy buzz knucking barrel of monkey fucks.
	It's Charlie Kirk.
	You're a legend and a pioneer.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	He is.
	He is.
	Welcome back, ladies.
	Do yourselves a favor and open your minds to his genius.
	Spice it up with a ghost seed.
	We're trying to get there.
	We're getting there.
	We are getting there.
	Yo, kill of cereal.
	Thank you, man.
	Okay, that one's coming through.
	Sorry, guys, we're getting through.
	I'm just trying to get through all of these because a few of them are about to fall off.
	Sorry that these didn't come through earlier.
	I just had to pause it just to get through all of them kind of in instead of them coming in piecemeal.
	I wanted to just get them all out at the same time, just for the sake of time.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $300.
	Oh, my God.
	So black dress.
	You can say that.
	And your daughter is 15-year-old, hypothetically.
	It's prom at her high school.
	She brings home her date.
	Just so happens, he's a 35-year-old man that identifies as 15.
	Quick answer if you can.
	No.
	Object to it.
	What type of question is that?
	Well, it's because you said that any age can identify as any age.
	No, I said that was a mental illness, actually.
	Oh, okay.
	I said, I said there are 30-year-olds who do actually involve.
	Actually, say I'm 12, and that's a whole mental illness.
	Okay.
	So he says, didn't want to submit the second, but why is TTS not working?
	My question was tied to the current conversation and never went through.
	We had to pause it temporarily just so we could get through a couple segments here.
	But I just got it now.
	And you submitted that just like 10 minutes ago.
	But thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	And then we just have a few more here, guys.
	A few more here.
	And Nick, you can hide this one that's a super.
	It's below the threshold.
	LeBron Aidsons donated 300.
	Yo, y'all crazy.
	Lecce bags, lecce bags, lecce bags, lecce bags, lecce bags.
	Hey, for the sake of time, I gotta skip that one, man.
	But Bronaissance, thank you very much.
	We only have Charlie for a limited time here, but we got the message.
	Is that your nickname?
	From him, apparently.
	From Bronaissance.
	Apparently, a lot of the chat said that last stream.
	They love her, but we don't know.
	No, no, they don't.
	Okay, let's not.
	Let's not.
	Horse with no name, thank you for the gifted 20 subs on Twitch.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And then we just have three more coming in, and then we'll get to the question at hand.
	Alyssa, thank you for the membership.
	Guys, get Charlie Kirk's book, Right Ring, Revolution.
	Thank you.
	How to beat the woke and save the West.
	And save the West.
	Can I get a book?
	One sec.
	I have a copy.
	You got some copies.
	You'll get a sign.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Law Paladins.
	Gold diggers.
	Hold on, hold on, stop, Gold digger had an important point.
	Losing uteruses is a part of their plan for us.
	Draft for women is all part of their depopulation agenda to find what is progressive.
	Ask what results in less babies.
	Nickelodeon, you get stuck in the pattern of what you invest your time in.
	If you go to college, you want the best career if you invest in OF.
	You obsess over the money, sex, and attention.
	Invest in relations now.
	This is to the OF girls.
	What if you do both?
	Nickelodeon.
	You do OF too, correct?
	And college.
	Wow, that's a double whammy.
	And then we have Bronaissance.
	You look, we write if JoJo doesn't come on.
	Bronaissance, this deserves a champagne pop that we put.
	This deserves a champagne pop that we put JoJo on.
	Say it with me, boys.
	We want Leche Bags.
	We want Leche Bags.
	Okay, all right.
	Oh, that was the one.
	Wait, can I say something before?
	It's my birthday at midnight.
	I will be 26 at midnight.
	Tomorrow is my birthday.
	Champagne absolutely needs to have a champagne pop or I will cry and riot.
	And she will cry and riot.
	Okay.
	Anxiety attack number two.
	By the way, panel, Charlie Kirk is going to give you signed copies of the Part of Canada.
	I'm in Vancouver.
	Oh, wow.
	But like, paste it.
	That's in British Columbia, right?
	Yeah, a couple hours out from Vancouver.
	I'm in the boonies, so I'll spread the word in the boonies.
	You have to earn the book.
	So we'll see what it is.
	She will.
	She will.
	That's the testing to me.
	Here's the deal, though.
	She earned it.
	If he signs a copy for you, you have to display it by your bedside for the rest of your life.
	For the rest of my life.
	Isn't his face ever covered?
	Yes.
	For the rest of my life.
	I'm sorry.
	It's a big face, I will acknowledge.
	No, no, no.
	It's like, come on.
	Let's say I'm so committed.
	You know, that's pretty much it.
	You're a married man.
	Okay.
	Deal?
	Is that the deal?
	I can't have that.
	He'll sign a copy for you.
	I can't promise.
	Okay, fine.
	You can't sell it on eBay, though.
	That's the rule.
	How much does it go for on eBay, though?
	On eBay?
	A signed copy would be more than retail.
	I would never give that up.
	I would never give that signed copy up.
	Me and forever.
	Okay.
	Well, we got through all the chats.
	I want to thank you guys for sending all those in.
	I know you had to wait a little bit there.
	I just wanted to make sure we got through everything.
	Thank you guys.
	Charlie, you wanted to talk about Shmushmorshan.
	Are we not allowed to say the word?
	No, you can say the word.
	I'm just being extra.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to spice it up.
	Yeah, spice it up.
	I'm trying to try to.
	Let me see if I can frame it from a dating-related.
	Would you date a guy?
	Okay, hold on.
	I'm so glad I'm not dating donated $300.
	Don't pause the TTS Brian.
	If the chats are interrupting the conversation, then you need to raise the price or not advertise it.
	You're killing me.
	He paid $300 to say that.
	Raise price, don't pause.
	No, no, he makes a point, though, because he'd probably pay to $300 more.
	You got to raise the rates?
	I do, I do.
	Well, we only have a few minutes left with Charlie, so we'll see what happens.
	Okay, but in any case, I'll leave it on.
	I'm leaving it on.
	I just had to pause it just because we had to get through a whole bunch of stuff.
	But fair game.
	So, would you date a guy who was pro life?
	Starting with you.
	Would I date one right now?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	Probably not.
	I don't think so.
	No.
	That's a requirement, yes.
	Good for you.
	I mean, I think women should have the right to choose in certain situations.
	Okay.
	Mainly based on SA.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Take it away, Charlie.
	Yeah, I mean, who has strong opinions on the topic?
	Don't look at me.
	The Canadian.
	Canadians.
	All right.
	For those of you that are pro-abortion, any one of you can chime in.
	You can take a second.
	When does life begin?
	When you have consciousness.
	Okay.
	When is that?
	It's debated, but probably around 20 to 24 weeks, maybe 18 to 24 weeks.
	So then would you say we should allow no more abortions after 18 weeks?
	It's a little tougher after that.
	I probably would agree that maybe you shouldn't.
	If you do, maybe I'll be more okay with it, but at the same time, I'd be a little weary about it.
	Okay.
	Anybody else have a thought on that?
	I don't care.
	Okay.
	No opinion.
	Hold on, because some abortions late term are kind of crazy.
	You should have some abortions super late term.
	Right, which America has the craziest late-term abortion.
	Welcome to Canada.
	Canada's also out of control, too.
	Canada is anytime in Canada.
	Wow.
	Anytime.
	That's remarkable.
	What does anytime mean?
	Anytime in the womb?
	Up to gestation.
	Yeah, in Canada.
	I think it's dependent on area.
	I think it's abortion is also a medical term, so it's not necessarily that someone wants to get rid of it.
	It's also a medical abortion.
	So if you need to.
	Because I had someone in my life who six months in, they were super happy about their pregnancy and they had to have an abortion because their fetus died inside of them.
	So yeah, that's a surgical removal, though.
	It's still considered an abortion.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, it's still considered an abortion.
	You're not really aborting a pregnancy, so it's just a...
	Maybe not aborting a pregnancy, but you're still aborting.
	It's still an abortion.
	I guess, yeah, I guess that's a good question.
	Yeah, it's still the same term.
	It's still the same term.
	Yeah, it's just not technically an abortion.
	An abortion would be the...
	Well, when you're thinking of abortion, you're thinking of aborting a live fetus that may be viable to live on.
	But an abortion can still be a fetus that is already dead, that you have to abort because it will rot inside of you and kill you.
	That's the sensitive areas still in the U.S.
	No, even pro-life people, myself, are okay if the fetus is no longer living, removing the fetus.
	That's what happened to this person that I knew.
	They had to have an abortion at six months because they're yeah, again, that's we're, I wouldn't say that's an abortion, but I don't want to.
	It technically is an abortion.
	But like with Texas, for example, Texas law, right?
	You're allowed to remove a dead fetus.
	Yeah, that's still an abortion at that point.
	It's still an abortion.
	You have to abort the fetus.
	I know, but is it living?
	No, no, it doesn't have to be living for it to be an abortion anymore.
	Right, we're just qualming over terms.
	That would be a surgery for.
	But we should call it what it is.
	If it's an abortion, it's an abortion.
	Okay, that's an interesting debate.
	What is abortion?
	Removing a fetus dead or alive from your body.
	Okay, dead or alive.
	I would say alive.
	We just disagree.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I would say that ceasing the life.
	That's interesting.
	You said dead or alive.
	Well, because, but even when it's dead, you have to abort it.
	You have to remove it.
	Abort.
	Abort mission.
	You can remove it without surgery, though.
	No, not when it's six months old.
	Not six months, but at a month.
	So what about six months?
	What would you call it then?
	When you have to remove a six-month-old fetus.
	Again, we're qualming over terms.
	I wouldn't disagree that it requires surgery.
	Is it not an abortion?
	No, because you're not actually aborting the mission.
	You have to abort the mission.
	The fetus is dead.
	Remove it.
	So then, 500 years ago, how did that fetus leave the body?
	No, the fetus would rot inside the mother and the mother would die.
	Not all the time.
	No, the woman could also give birth to the body.
	But that doesn't happen all the time, but that doesn't, that rarely happens.
	That's why they call upon it to be removed because nine times out of ten, the mother will die from the fetus abortion.
	I'm morally fine with that.
	That's for sure.
	Do you think that if a baby can feel pain regardless of consciousness?
	Hold on.
	I'm talking about a dead fetus at six months.
	No, no, I'm not disagreeing with that.
	You're dwelling on that.
	No, okay, sorry.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	Hold on.
	I'm listening.
	Okay.
	But going way back to when abortion should be illegal.
	So you say life begins at consciousness.
	Wait, sorry, when should abortion be illegal?
	At what time?
	I think all abortions should be legal.
	But at what time?
	You said what?
	Beginning at conception.
	Okay, no.
	I'm trying to understand your position.
	Okay, so okay, hold back.
	I'm listening.
	Sorry.
	You can shut up.
	That's okay.
	So you say consciousness is when life begins.
	Okay.
	So then if somebody is without consciousness after a car accident and they're on life support, they're no longer living.
	Unplug them.
	Take me away.
	Unplug them.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You're consistent.
	So even the ones that come back to full consciousness when their brain waves are no longer detectable.
	Did you late baby unplug?
	I'm fine with that.
	I have no issue with that.
	What do you mean?
	How is that crazy?
	That's kind of humane, isn't it?
	That is not.
	But also I see her point because so many people are kept alive by their family members who are grieving.
	But I thought they're not alive.
	No, no, so you're not.
	But their bodies are kept physically alive by their families that are grieving.
	And I'm talking about like for years and years.
	The family says I can afford it, right?
	And it's like, and that's why I see your point.
	But also, a physically developing fetus is not the same as a full-grown human that's already alive.
	For sure.
	What species is the fetus?
	They're human, but they're still a fetus.
	That's why we differentiate a fetus from a human.
	But what does fetus mean?
	What is that?
	Fetus is a developing human.
	They're not quite human yet.
	So they become a human right when brainwaves.
	When they develop mental consciousness.
	Which could be as early as six weeks, 12 weeks.
	But I'll take your agency.
	But if I told you, if we have data that shows six weeks, you'd be cool with cutting it off.
	Yeah, if we could see six weeks that you had mental consciousness that you could experience life and form memories, but at six weeks you can't.
	You just can't.
	Do you even have a heartbeat at six weeks?
	No.
	Well, you do.
	Yeah.
	Around six weeks.
	Is it not 10 weeks?
	It depends.
	I mean, we sort of know.
	I mean, every baby's trajectory is different.
	It's between six to ten weeks.
	So, yeah, but if a baby can feel pain and have a heartbeat, you're okay with that?
	No, I don't care about a heartbeat at all.
	I don't care about a heartbeat in any capacity.
	Why?
	Because if I'm brain dead and I'm laying in a hospital bed and I have a heartbeat but my brain is dead, you're going to pull the plug.
	Do you think that a human being is more than brainwaves?
	No.
	It's all about your brain.
	No, see, we have a good disagreement here.
	I think a human being has a soul.
	Does anyone else think human beings have a soul?
	No, I believe you have a soul, but your soul connects to your brain.
	Well, hold on.
	No.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Who else thinks we have souls?
	Also, we have soul?
	Not sure.
	Yeah.
	What do you think?
	Of course.
	Yes.
	So, you think soul or yes or no?
	Sorry, hold on.
	There's water in my body.
	That's okay.
	Do you think soul, brain, and mind are all one thing, right?
	That's what you think.
	I think it all connects in some way.
	Got it.
	So I believe that soul happens as soon as creation happens.
	I agree with that.
	Yes.
	I agree with that.
	So then, if you are terminating a baby prior to brain waves, you're still terminating a soul.
	Your soul will go into another being.
	You'll get reincarnated in a sense.
	Well, I don't believe that.
	What is your soul without a brain?
	That's a good question.
	So, I mean, let's play this out.
	When you die, if we believe in a soul, then it transcends your brain waves.
	Yeah.
	So, so that means it's not in your brain then.
	It's outside of your brain.
	It's your whole being is your soul.
	Yeah, but you're not physically here, so what would be the difference between pulling the cord or not pulling it?
	Exactly.
	Your soul would still exist.
	Well, no, for sure.
	With that argument, we should just kill a lot of people and think nothing of it.
	Sure.
	Their souls will go where they need to be.
	No, no, no.
	I know, but what you're saying is that since somebody has a being has a soul, which is my argument, we don't have a right to pull the plug or to terminate that being, regardless if it has brain waves or not, because the soul is there at the moment of creation.
	Well, how?
	Because when your loved one is suffering and they're you know.
	Well, hold on.
	The fetus is not suffering.
	The baby's not suffering at two weeks.
	Can I ask a question?
	How does this translate to like war?
	There's a lot of people.
	It's because it's like, we can argue, we can argue, we can argue about abortion and things like that and how it's wrong.
	But then some more right-leaning are okay with war still and like sacrificing men's lives.
	So how does that translate with you?
	No, I mean, it's a good question.
	I mean, I'm totally against the Ukraine-Russian war, for example.
	I think it should end.
	I mean, again, I think all human beings are made of the image of God.
	Nothing should be trivialized.
	But as far as people being okay with war, I mean, you have to give me an example.
	Wait, can I be charitable here?
	Would perhaps a better argument from your position be: why are these people also in favor of the death sentence?
	Is that kind of a question?
	Sure, that can be another penalty.
	Okay, I mean, that's a good question.
	Are you in favor of the death sentence?
	Yeah, the death penalty.
	Absolutely.
	But okay, so you're in favor of the death penalty, but you're not in favor of abortion because you think infants are innocent?
	Is that why?
	Yes, let's take an example.
	Okay, this last week, two illegal aliens in this country just kidnapped and raped a 12-year-old.
	Not the illegal aliens.
	Sorry?
	Yeah, so a baby in the womb did not kidnap and rape a 12-year-old.
	Okay, but I don't think that's a good question.
	Hold on.
	Well, everyone has free will and the potential to, but someone who just kidnapped and raped two 12-year-olds, they're in a completely different moral universe than a baby who is sitting patiently in a womb.
	It's also, it's the argument, like I totally understand that fetuses are innocent, but it's the same argument that, like, you know, if it, if it's the, what is it, the violinist?
	I talked about this before the first time I was on the violinist.
	I've been through this so many times.
	I know you've been through this, but I'll still run it through.
	The violinist argument where you're hooked up, you wake up and you're hooked up to the most famous violinist and they're hooked up to you and you have to sit there for nine months bedridden to take care of them.
	In order for that metaphor to be true, did you know the night before that you had a chance to potentially be hooked up to a violinist if you had a bunch of pleasure?
	Okay, I get that part, but even at the end.
	Because you agreed to have sex before all of a sudden the voluminous person is a little bit different.
	Even then at that point, even at that point, accidents happen.
	It's also like you could just leave your front door open by accident.
	Now someone's sitting in your house for fucking nine months.
	But having sex is a choice.
	Now, less than 1% of all abortions are rape, incest.
	But having sex is a choice.
	You don't have to have that choice.
	You're choosing to be pregnant when you have sex.
	You don't choose to be pregnant.
	Hold on, but you have a choice to have sex in the first place.
	Yes, but you don't choose to be pregnant.
	Pregnancy, sex doesn't always lead to pregnancy.
	Women are only fertile for five days of the month.
	Right, so why do you need to have sex?
	Feels good.
	What are you talking about?
	So we should just do what feels good regardless of the choices or consequences.
	People do that all the time.
	People do that.
	Just because people do things all the time, is that right?
	No, it's not about people do.
	People like feeling good.
	People like doing it.
	We're getting somewhere, right?
	So should what feels good be prioritized over what is good?
	Sometimes it depends exactly on what it is.
	Okay, so if I can have pleasure and a bunch of people die, that's perfectly fine.
	I said it depends on what it is.
	If people are dying.
	Okay, so again, back to the point is that you don't outside of rape or those very, very fringe test cases, 99% of the time, you don't just wake up and you're magically pregnant.
	No, no, you know that you had sex and you're like, bingo.
	So hold on a second.
	So why do you then get to have the orgasm without the responsibility?
	Hold on, because you don't get to have the orgasm.
	You just wake up pregnant.
	Hold on a second.
	But hold on.
	But if the woman chooses to keep the baby, the man has to pay child support.
	I don't agree with that.
	Well, it's the law.
	But yeah, it might be stupid sometimes.
	Well, that's right.
	Both parties made the choice, which is interesting.
	Do you think that men should be able to have a say before a woman has an abortion?
	I think it should be a conversation.
	But here's the thing.
	I don't think...
	Should both parties have to agree?
	Hold on.
	I think so.
	I don't think you should be able to force women into abortion, just like you shouldn't be able to force women out of an abortion.
	You shouldn't, no way, each way or the other.
	No way.
	You can't tell someone to do with their body.
	Hold on, but is it their body or is it that another body's within their body?
	Okay, but if someone broke into my house, I would put a gun to their head and say, get the fuck out or die.
	But wait, hold on.
	You invited the baby into the house with somebody.
	Hold on, night of passion.
	I didn't invite the baby.
	I left the door unlocked by accident.
	Somebody pushed it back.
	Push it back.
	But wait, that baby is then within you.
	Okay.
	And it's still my body within me, me, my body.
	Right, but it's, so is it your DNA?
	It doesn't matter if it's my DNA.
	Hold on.
	Why do you, hold on.
	Why do you have control over somebody else's DNA?
	I thought you said.
	Because they're in me.
	If they want to control it.
	Oh, got it.
	So it's a location issue.
	Super interesting.
	So location matters more than being.
	Just because somebody happens to be within a womb.
	If it was my baby in Hawaii, take them out.
	However, so if somebody has, if it's your DNA, you have total choice of your DNA.
	Take a vaccine or not a vaccine.
	To be able to drink Coke or drink sprite.
	If they're in my body and they're affecting my life, I'll do what I want with them.
	Okay, so that means.
	So just because somebody's location determines their moral worth.
	No, it's not about necessarily location.
	It's about how they affect me.
	For nine months after you chose to be able to get a volume.
	It's not even just nine months.
	It's after the fact, too.
	You have postpartum depression.
	Yeah, so that's interesting.
	So we're getting somewhere.
	So your argument is you should do what is expedient, even if there is a victim and there might be a casualty.
	They won't even know they're a victim.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	Is it okay to murder if the person does not know they were murdered?
	Sure, why not?
	They won't even know.
	So it's okay to go to an old person's home, a bunch of people with dementia, and just start popping around.
	True.
	Bye.
	Popping around.
	You just killed your argument.
	No, I know.
	I'm not even kidding.
	No, you did just kill your argument.
	So we can go to old people's homes, dementia, Alzheimer's.
	They're drain on society.
	They don't know who they are.
	They don't know their name.
	They don't know their relatives.
	By the way, millions people have dementia and Alzheimer's, and we just kill them because hold on.
	Oh, no, you said you should be able to.
	Oh, my God.
	But it's not necessarily like, if they're never going to know, they're never going to know.
	Okay, so murdering dementia patients is consistent.
	You're right.
	You are being consistent.
	I think there is a little bit of inconsistency because after you're dead, you're dead in a lot of cases in a lot of religions, right?
	The fetus is even born, though.
	They're not going to be a little bit more.
	Yeah, but like if you're just a person on the street, someone goes and shits.
	They're not even alive, you won't know.
	But hold on, if you go.
	The idea is, the question is this: is just because something is not born, are they alive and do they have value?
	I don't think so.
	Okay, so let's go through it.
	So just because, is it because the baby is the fetus or baby is small?
	They don't have consciousness.
	Hold on, we've gone through that.
	I want to try to.
	Is it because they're small?
	That's not your argument.
	Location, that's your argument.
	No, no.
	Environment, but you said degree of dependency.
	That's the one that you said.
	You said it.
	Wait, you said environment, but I don't agree with the environment.
	Well, meaning like where the, I'm going through the acronym of what most pro-abortion arguments are.
	Size, level development, environment, degree of dependency.
	So I'm trying to, I always try to find which one you're prior.
	Because every pro-abortion argument falls into one of four arguments.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So degree of dependency.
	This baby is going to take from me.
	Are you glad your mom nurtured you for nine months in the womb?
	I mean, not really, to be honest.
	So you wish you wouldn't have been born?
	I'm chill with that for sure.
	You're consistent.
	I am.
	Yeah, so if you were just to be killed tomorrow, not a big deal.
	I wouldn't even be having this conversation.
	W?
	I think that this is important because 40 years ago, an average woman would not have answered it that way.
	They would have said, my life is beautiful, my life has meaning, my life has purpose, and I'm glad my mom sacrificed for me.
	This is the case for every single woman 40 years ago.
	Well, the vast majority of women 40 years ago were not as depressed, not as suicidal.
	Now, the vast majority is still the same way.
	She's, yeah, inconsistent.
	I decline the most out of the way.
	Do you think that she's the mainstream opinion or do you think she's a fringe opinion?
	No, she's a fringe opinion.
	That's for sure.
	Okay.
	Completely.
	Do you think she's a mainstream opinion or fringe opinion?
	That's pretty fringe.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I'm fine with that.
	That doesn't bother me at all.
	Does anyone else have opinions on this matter?
	If I were to say that abortion was illegal in America tomorrow, that would be worrisome to you guys?
	Yeah, 100%.
	I think.
	When we say pro-abortion, I don't think that that's necessarily accurate for how I feel.
	I think I'm pro-choice because people are probably going to get abortions anyways.
	I would prefer them be safe.
	It's not something I would necessarily do for myself, but I do think if it's going to be happening, which it is, it should be safe and it should be something that everyone talks about and everyone's educated on beforehand.
	So in Texas, they just outlawed abortion.
	Abortion rates have gone down dramatically.
	So it's not totally true.
	It's half true.
	They're going to other states to get them.
	But the birth rate's gone up.
	So it's like this idea that people are going to find them otherwise.
	Sometimes they just have the baby instead.
	Are you more concerned with the birth rate going up?
	Well, all of it.
	The morality of it's the number one issue, which we do not have a moral obligation to terminate human beings smaller than us.
	So I have a question for you.
	So if it was scientific, Without a doubt, that you don't have a consciousness, you don't feel pain until the day you come out the womb.
	You're fine with any and all types of abortions all of a sudden?
	No, no, consciousness is not, that's her argument.
	My argument is that at the point of your DNA's creation, a new soul is entering the world.
	And the soul transcends reason.
	And I'll prove it to you guys.
	So you're saying soul and consciousness aren't related?
	Not at all.
	We know that, at least in the religious realm, because when your consciousness ceases, your soul lives.
	Oh, okay.
	Because it goes to an afterlife.
	In a religious context, I'm not going to win you over on a modern context.
	No, but let me try to win you over because there are points when we all see beauty when our reason or our consciousness is not able to describe them.
	I was at a loss for words.
	That sunset was so beautiful.
	It took my breath away.
	It was breathtaking.
	At times, there are things that hit us on a soul level.
	We all know this, when we hear a certain song, see a certain painting, experience natural beauty that touch us on a level that cannot always be described using our reasonable faculties.
	And I know we all have had those, when you go to Yosemite, when you see a sunset in Santa Barbara, all of a sudden you're like, wow, that touches me at a level that is eternal and beautiful and is divine.
	My argument is that every being at the time of creation, which is when the sperm and egg meet, when the deoxoribonucleic acid is formed, that being has a soul.
	And if you don't make the soul argument, then you make the consciousness argument.
	And it's easy to make that.
	Because it's just, I think our being is more than just a bunch of brain cells.
	Well, no, I think we have souls as well, along with the consciousness.
	When does the soul enter the being?
	When you are created.
	Got it.
	I would say so.
	So, I mean, you're indifferent towards allowing a soul to be dismissed without.
	Because they'll move on to.
	Because I fully believe a soul will move on to another being.
	Got it.
	So that's interesting.
	So what was wrong with Auschwitz?
	I mean, that was just horrible.
	Why?
	That's an insane question.
	So the Jewish souls were going to another place.
	What's wrong with them?
	No, no, no, because they were being tortured.
	Well, no, let's say the death was quick.
	No, no, it wasn't, though.
	Let's not play stupid here.
	A lot of deaths were incidents of execution.
	No, they were starved.
	Well, some were, but let me just, let me rephrase it then.
	Some.
	What an insane thing to say.
	Some.
	Well, yes, some Jews were immediately killed when they got off of the rail course.
	Yes.
	They were tortured.
	They were tearing away from their faith.
	ask you a different question though let's if the death was seamless and without pain and immediate okay Is that okay?
	Just pull away from the Auschwitz argument because that is insane.
	Well, no, you're not that.
	You just said that the soul goes to another place, and that's fine.
	Yes, but it's not about the soul.
	It's also about the pain.
	So it's about the form of death.
	No, it's about the living being what they experience.
	But I don't fully believe that fetus is experiencing a living life until they have consciousness.
	And I don't believe that they do until, what, 22 weeks?
	When you have a 14-week abortion at Planned Parenthood in Southern California, they offer for an additional fee pain medication for the fetus.
	I'm just.
	So the data assumes nobody can ask them, but the data assumes that at 14 weeks, which is legal, California is 20 weeks, right?
	At 14, the data shows that the fetus can feel pain and struggle.
	So they offer for an additional fee, you can either get pain medication for your fetus as you aborted, or you can get a pizza.
	Or it's about 40 bucks.
	To get pain medication for your family.
	And women also have to get an IUD with no pain medication.
	The medical industry derived towards women is not fair.
	If there were less abortions in America, would that be a good thing?
	Yes, of course.
	The question is how do we get there?
	That's a good question.
	How do we get there?
	Birth control.
	Education.
	So the more birth control that is in the world.
	Education and the more birth control we've had in the West, the more abortions we have because people have more.
	People need to be implemented self-control.
	How about this radical idea?
	What if people waited to have sex when they got married?
	That will never happen.
	Why?
	Because people want to fuck.
	I'm being sorry.
	I waited for marriage.
	I mean, it was amazing.
	That's amazing for you, but you are not in a regular life.
	Hold on.
	I know it's not easy, but that's a good question.
	Let me get to this, though.
	Do those of you that haven't, I'm guessing you all haven't waited until you got married.
	Do you wish you did?
	No.
	No?
	No?
	Do any of you wish you so in the ideal?
	If I could paint a world for you that you only shared your sexual experience with one person that was your soulmate, that's not interesting to you?
	No.
	Oh, that's cool.
	But that's not any of the men you've slept with.
	I mean, I don't believe in a man that I've slept with.
	You don't believe in soulmates?
	Not necessarily.
	How about best friend?
	No.
	You don't believe in best friends?
	I've had a lot of best friends in my life.
	Perfect match.
	No.
	I don't think that exists.
	You mean that?
	You guys are so jaded.
	I do think sex is better when you're telling people there are so jaded.
	At least they're concerned.
	Me.
	No, you're very concerned about marriage.
	Multiple soulmates.
	Multiple soulmates.
	Yeah, I was saying, like, with as big as the world is, you're not going to necessarily find exactly one person because you're going to grow throughout your life.
	We're changing all that.
	And sometimes people don't grow with you.
	But if that person were to grow with you, then that's so.
	Then, if it's not a soulmate, I mean this not facetiously, then what is the purpose of marriage?
	I don't agree.
	I wouldn't do a legal marriage to come into a union.
	Is marriage even a thing that we should care about?
	If you got divorced, I don't wish that, but if you got divorced in 10 years, what do you think of that?
	I mean, I don't think that will happen.
	It's not even a hypothetical I want to entertain.
	Charlie, do you think secular people should get married?
	I think everyone should get married.
	I think it makes you a better person.
	What I find interesting, though, is that we're starting.
	You've said it best.
	If you have as much sex as you want before, and marriage really doesn't mean much, does it?
	No.
	Do you think America was a better country when people waited to have sex when they got married?
	You think everyone did that in America?
	No, it was the vast majority of women in the 50s and 60s would not have premarital sex.
	I don't think we have technology to prove that, though.
	Like, we don't have the data.
	First of all, talk to your grandparents' generation.
	We have studies, we have surveys, and we know this, by the way, because birth control wasn't that widespread.
	Yeah, but you can see that we're talking about getting pregnant.
	Right, but we need like times and months with ovulation.
	But hold on a second.
	So let's just, you do not think that people are having more premarital sex today than they were 60 years ago.
	I'm sure they are.
	No, But that doesn't mean they weren't at all before.
	So I'm asking, do you think that you think that's a good thing or a bad thing?
	That people are having more premarital sex?
	I personally don't like it.
	I don't like hookup culture at all.
	You don't like hookup culture, but you're not regretting sleeping with a bunch of guys before a soulmate.
	Help me understand.
	I, okay, hold on.
	Wait, guys, it's crazy.
	Hold on.
	And you don't like hookup culture, but you also do OnlyFans?
	So help me understand all that.
	Okay, so my body count is six, and two of those I was in a relationship with.
	The third one, I thought I was going to be in a relationship with.
	And the three before that, all of my friends were hooking up with guys.
	So I thought, like, oh, that's what they need to do because they're all hooking up.
	So this is the normal thing.
	I should be hooking up.
	And I realized very quickly, I don't like hooking up with random men.
	I don't know.
	Do any of you think that women are being harmed by hookup culture?
	Yes.
	I agree.
	So you all agree at that, but then you say that you don't think women are being harmed by hook culture?
	No.
	Okay.
	Wait, what?
	We'll get that in a second.
	However, so then why don't all of you make a commitment that you're going to save yourself for marriage?
	You could do that.
	Society might not have to.
	Because I'm already past the point.
	Well, you can always become a new version of yourself.
	What's done is done, but you could say, I'm now going to save myself from this point forward.
	I don't want to be a new version.
	I want to be me and they accept me for me.
	What is me?
	What is that?
	Whatever I've done in the past and up till this point.
	So there's no improvement?
	I don't need to improve necessarily.
	It's that I don't.
	You don't need to improve.
	Hold on.
	I don't need to hide what I've done.
	No, I'm not saying hide, but for example, bad example: if one is an alcoholic and they go through AA, and no, it's okay, and then you become a new version of yourself.
	That's growth, right?
	Yeah, that's growth, but they should still know what I've done.
	They know it, but I'm not saying you hide it.
	I'm asking the question: what is the argument against any of you young ladies saying, you know what?
	I'm no longer going to have premarital sex.
	I'm going to wait till marriage.
	Hookup culture is destructive.
	I'm going to find a man who values me.
	He's never been with another partner, and I'm going to start a new chapter.
	What is the argument against that?
	Because then you're going to come on this podcast and we're going to have a two hour long conversation about how if everybody waited in the drive through and they paid a hundred dollars, why is a man got to pay two dollars?
	You're going to it's a conversation they have on here about everybody being reborn.
	They're like, oh, so if you wait now, everyone's already done it.
	It's not fair to the next man.
	They have this conversation every time.
	I'm not tracking your argument.
	No, it's not really an argument necessarily.
	She's giving an example about the fact that, like, if I don't, you know, all these people are going to participate in this anyways.
	So why don't you get it?
	Oh, I got it.
	Okay, but.
	You're kind of going to get shit on it.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	You're going to get treated like garbage whether you do it.
	So you think you'll be treated like garbage if you don't have premarital sex.
	Oh, easily.
	Easily.
	Well, I just think maybe potentially the next guy wouldn't want to wait because they might be like, oh, but everyone is going to be aware of that.
	Hold on.
	Do you think that you have any leverage over the men in your relationships?
	What do men want more than anything else?
	Probably sex.
	Why don't you stop giving it to them?
	Nobody's giving it to anyone.
	What are you talking about?
	Well, you said in your relationships you guys had premarital sex.
	But you could also not participate in hookup culture and also decide to not wait until marriage.
	Like those things don't happen.
	You're not synonymous, but then if you aren't waiting till marriage, then you're basically saying marriage means nothing.
	That's effective what you're saying.
	Not necessarily because what is marriage?
	Because what is marriage about?
	Marriage is not about sex.
	It's more than sex, you're right, but what is marriage about?
	It's a bond between two people.
	It's a person that you choose to have a family.
	I agree.
	But can't you have a bond about marriage?
	If you meet someone who you don't want to have a family with, but you're actually in love or whatever, and you want to have sex, you should be able to.
	And that's not hookup culture.
	No, of course you should be able to.
	I'm not saying what you're doing.
	I'm arguing what one ought to do, not one able to do.
	Able and ought are two different words.
	Able, fine.
	You have the freedom to do it.
	I'm saying in the ideal, what is the argument against the women of America saying, men, you have to marry me to be able to sleep with me?
	But also, why you should ask your co-host right here?
	Because he doesn't want to get married.
	Yeah, I don't want to get married.
	You know, look.
	I might have to.
	I'm a super trad guy, so excuse my question.
	Me and Charlie aren't going to agree on everything.
	But so what?
	I do think that sexual compatibility is important.
	Well, I guess because that was one of the biggest pieces of tension with my ex-husband is, I mean, we had a sexless marriage.
	Yeah, that's a problem.
	Yeah, I guess my new husband and I, I mean, we waited a while.
	And you said that he was more of a femboy, right?
	The first one?
	Or like the most feminine, right?
	Femboy.
	It wasn't necessarily good.
	I mean, he was a big, big, tall Mexican, but he just, I made a lot more than he did.
	Can I ask?
	Do you think that men should wait until marriage or just absolutely?
	Okay, because I agree with that then.
	If women have to wait, men have to wait for a moment.
	I think that America, there's a lot of problems with America.
	One of the problems has been that sex in its ideal is weighted in a holy setting between a male and female that share that experience only with their life partner.
	Now, there's exceptions, there's mistakes, but if we just throw it all out the window and say men won't like me and hookup culture, I think there's a lot of damage and a lot of ramifications for that.
	And again, the point being is this, I believe firmly young ladies are damaged mentally by having too many sexual partners.
	I think men are too.
	I think men.
	I think men are too.
	Hookup culture hurts women far more than men.
	I agree.
	It hurts women more, but I think men are like, I don't think men realize how damaging it is as well to them.
	Maybe.
	Of course, there's damage to all people, but men are wired differently where many sexual partners for men do not hurt men nearly as much as many sexual partners for women because women are far more relational driven and far more bond driven.
	So they look at sex as a culmination of a bond, where men look at it as sex, as physical, purely, not always with those other elements, unless there is a component of we're going to try to develop a long-basting, long-lasting bond here.
	And the question is.
	So do you think that men have driven hookup culture then because they don't care about it as much?
	I think that it's both.
	I think women are driving it too.
	I think it's both.
	But you're saying that when women have sex, they need to have that bond and they're more complicated.
	That's how they're wired.
	Yeah, so women are wired to want to have a bond when they're having sex with someone, but men don't care.
	So do you not, would you not think that men are driving hookup culture then?
	No, I think both sides are.
	I mean, I think that men are driving because women are making themselves available.
	That's the point.
	Because they think it's going to be a longer bond.
	Yeah.
	That's kind of their case.
	No, of course.
	And women should know male nature before they start sleeping around.
	Hold on.
	So is it a woman's fault or is it the man's fault?
	It's both.
	If every woman today that was marketable and all of you guys are on the market, correct?
	Looking for life partners.
	I've never been on the market.
	Okay.
	But if every one of you, it's simple supply and demand, if you said we're off limits until the ring is there and the priest says the final vows, how would men react?
	Hypothetically, they would increase half the dating pool, probably, at least.
	I totally disagree because we know what that world looks like.
	We used to have it 50 or 60 years ago.
	You know what?
	Men grow up quicker.
	They stop being man, childs, and infants.
	So you're one of the ones who also probably argues against like there's like sexual chemistry and stuff like that.
	You probably argue, no, that's not.
	No, I think sexual chemistry is a real thing, but it's a culmination of different types of love that are not just erotic.
	There are deeper types of love that transcend the physical.
	Physical is part of it.
	Sexual compatibility, as you say, is a huge part of the relationship.
	But all of you know this.
	You could have a partner where you had great sex and you have nothing in common.
	That's not a relationship.
	That's a orgasm and a one-night stand or whatever.
	It's a situation shit.
	Yeah, okay.
	It's fine.
	A situationship.
	That's not something to build a life around.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I agree.
	Okay, so no, we're not disagreeing.
	I just, without legislation or big decrees, I know this, that men have very primal, undeveloped, immature sexual natures, and that is not going to change.
	So should women be punished for men taking advantage of women?
	I'm not punishing.
	I'm not talking about anything.
	I'm talking about cultural stuff, not legislation.
	I'm not asking about hookup culture again, but if women want a man that they are worthy of, and many of you are not getting men you are worthy of, then you need to then stop giving the one thing that men want the most.
	And that is unlimited amounts of sex all the time, bodies on the internet, because men will only view you as a visual stimulation and they'll move on.
	And if you disagree, you do not understand male nature.
	But the thing is, is men will treat you like that and talk to you like that, whether you want to do it or not, because these two don't do OF.
	I do OF.
	Their Twitch chats are just as degenerate as mine because people come in there and say the most horrible things.
	You're all very talented.
	You're smart.
	You guys shouldn't be doing any of that.
	You shouldn't.
	Stop doing that.
	Twitch?
	Stop selling.
	I'm saying this as someone who cares about humanity.
	Stop selling your body on the internet.
	We're playing video games.
	Yeah, we play limited.
	I play on the menu.
	OnlyFans, yes?
	I do.
	They don't.
	And they get just as horrible comments as I do.
	No, that's what I'm saying.
	Okay, but no, you're making my argument.
	Men's sexual nature is very degenerative.
	And I'm saying that.
	How do you lift it up?
	You lift it up by saying you don't get what you want the most until you commit.
	But the thing is, is to hold on.
	So hold on.
	So you are then leading.
	You need to lead men towards a better future.
	Because I'm not doing anything more crazy than they are.
	I'm not doing that.
	Isn't that fair?
	I'm not doing anything more crazy than theirs.
	I'm not trying to ridicule you guys.
	No, I'm not sure.
	That's not why I'm not.
	I don't care.
	I don't care.
	You can say whatever you want, but I'm saying they're getting the same degenerate comments that I am on Twitch streams.
	Because you're now seeing a window into men's sexual nature.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	So how then do you lift it up?
	Do you lift it up by giving more sex and more bodies and more pictures?
	That's interesting.
	No, no, no, that's not true.
	Yes, they will.
	Let me tell you.
	Yes, they will.
	Men can grow up, but they need a goal.
	No, this is very, if you don't believe that, then you basically are dismissing all of humanity.
	I can't believe that men will go up.
	Here means that men love being useful.
	This is fine.
	Men want a purpose.
	They want to go on an adventure.
	And so if you say, you can be with me, but here's the rules of the road.
	Okay, but I'm on the internet and there's how many thousands of hundreds of millions of men on the internet?
	I can't fix all of them.
	I'm not asking you to fix all of them.
	You want to change the world?
	Start with changing you.
	It doesn't matter.
	They're not even doing OF and they're still getting treated like a bad person.
	Hold on.
	So again, if you believe that what you do doesn't matter, then you're a nihilist and just do whatever you want.
	It's not even about me doing OF.
	It's about the way that men treat you.
	So this is the point, though, is that how do you get treated better by men?
	Do you show?
	One sec.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Do you think you get treated by men better by showing more skin or less skin?
	Obviously, if you show less skin.
	Okay, so you agree.
	But hold on, because even when you show less skin, there's women in full-blown covered-up burqas and they still get sexualized.
	They still get acid thrown on them.
	They still get onboarded in the middle of the street.
	Like, what are you talking about?
	Okay, I don't agree with that at all.
	Okay.
	So if you want, so men's sexual nature on the internet, you are seeing a window into the depraved.
	Because there's no guardrails and there's no guidelines.
	So how do you, one second, how do you lift up that primal, carnal sexual nature towards something that is no longer...
	Why is that my responsibility to lift up their...
	Hold on.
	Well, it's not your responsibility.
	It's humanity's responsibility.
	But I imagine you want a life partner at some point.
	Yes?
	No?
	I'll figure it out when they come to me.
	I'm not going to.
	Every man like you.
	Let me tell you doing OnlyFans, you're not going to find a life partner.
	That's totally fine.
	I don't care.
	Yes, she is, though.
	Come on.
	No, no, that's not the only thing that's going to be.
	There is so many people who want to marry her.
	If you think that you can find a virtuous, ethical man who tells the truth by showing a lot of skin online, you do not understand male sexual energy.
	You do not.
	I don't profess to know female sexual nature.
	So we talked about this a little bit.
	Men want what they cannot see and they cannot have.
	Men want rarity, scarcity, and mystery.
	They do not want abundance and cleavage and skin.
	So we have the same for men.
	Can you guys stop sledding it up, please?
	I'm not saying, I am asking, I mean, men have plenty of.
	What have I just said?
	I said men's sexual nature is degenerative.
	I couldn't be more cruel on males' primal carnal instincts.
	The question is, how do you lift us up to something better?
	Yes.
	we talked about this before um what's the difference between so she does only lingerie pictures right So what's the difference between her and like Gigi Hadid or like any Victoria's Secret model, right?
	Well, there's not, I mean, is Gigi Hadid in a really great relationship and doing great?
	I mean, I believe one of them has like clinical depression.
	She's dating Bradley Cooper, I think.
	Most celebrity relationships last like, what, six or seven years?
	Maybe?
	Well, so your point is that they, what, they divorce more often?
	Well, I mean, I'm asking, if you want to.
	Are you saying she is.
	Again, if you're looking for celebrities for life partner roadmap, you're looking at the wrong people, okay?
	I mean, so you're fine with comparing that and being like, oh, yeah, they're both not, they can't find high-value men or whatever.
	I am very short on their long-term prospects of being a couple for the next 30 years.
	I mean, if that's their question.
	You do not have to create a new roadmap.
	When women were more modest in their presentations, when women were more humble in their life partnership.
	Is it only women being humble, or was that also the laws of the day and age where they couldn't?
	No, in the 1950s, the laws were fine.
	You couldn't get a divorce because you never had a job.
	You couldn't get out of the relationship.
	What are you talking about?
	No-fault divorce ended in the 60s or 70s.
	You could still get a divorce.
	It just reflects.
	Yeah, but you had no job.
	You had no prospects.
	You had nothing.
	You had no idea.
	That's a separate issue.
	You're getting too far off track.
	I'm asking a theoretical question.
	If more women than not made a commitment that we want a life partner, I think the reason why you all and women are willing to engage in hookup culture, even though I know it's destructive.
	Hold on a second.
	Even though you know it's bad for you, is because deep down women tend to be more insecure than men, and you think that you can get praise from men by doing this, and it gives you temporary security, and you're willing to then sacrifice long-term viability of finding a life partner for that temporary security.
	You also have to set on me, I don't engage in hookup culture at all.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I'm just saying, more broadly, though.
	More broadly, if women were willing to actually say that I am not going to present myself online, I'm not going to get myself, you would actually have more male suitors, not less.
	I'm not worried about that.
	I'm not worried about more or less male suitors.
	How about good ones?
	Great ones.
	Ones that you feel as if this is the best man I've ever had.
	Everybody needs to get there.
	Great men are hard to find.
	They are.
	I could say this being around a lot of them.
	Okay.
	And I'll get there.
	So let me ask you: what is more important in your life?
	Good career or great marriage and family?
	I want my bills paid, so whatever takes the cake.
	Well, good husband can pay the bills too.
	Yeah, and I'm not necessarily looking for a good husband right now because I'm not looking around.
	Okay.
	Any other thoughts on that?
	I was just dominated there.
	If you want, keep going.
	I guess I am pretty jaded on this conversation.
	I didn't get to do the introductions, but I do OnlyFans management.
	And I think so.
	I read a lot of messages.
	I'm not on the side myself, but I read a lot of messages.
	And it kind of sucks because you see so many messages coming in daily that are like, I wish I wasn't with my ugly wife right now.
	You're so much hotter.
	So, like, for me, as someone who's single and like in their 20s, it's hard to be like, yeah, I'm going to be a really perfect woman for like these kind of men.
	Does that mean I even got that being on your podcast?
	I even got a message on my OnlyFans from your podcast being like, you know, my girlfriend is so disgusting.
	I don't like her.
	I sub to your OnlyFans because you're so much better than her.
	It's really hard to see both these conversations.
	No, that's okay, but you're actually proving my point: you're seeing a window into the depraved male sexual nature.
	So then you have a choice.
	You can say, forget all men and become a lesbian and like just forget it, right?
	I don't do that.
	And I'm not saying you want to do that, right?
	Or you could be like, I actually think that men have a proper role in society.
	Most men today are grown infants.
	And women have a you don't agree with that?
	Well, no, I agree that they're grown infants, but it's not my job to fix you.
	I'm not saying it's your job to fix you.
	You have a moral obligation not to make it worse.
	Well, how am I making it worse?
	Because I have an OnlyFans?
	Yeah, I'd say that you're participating in that.
	Okay, so what exactly have you...
	It's all your fault.
	No, I'm not saying it's all your fault, but it's not you.
	But I'm saying this as agreeably as I can.
	If you are producing sexually explicit content online, you are increasing the supply.
	And so I'm not decreasing the supply.
	So even if I didn't have an OnlyFans.
	Even though you're a small part of it, I get it.
	Okay, even if I didn't have an OnlyFans, the comments that I've gotten on all of my social media without it have been even more degrading than the comments I've gotten on my own culture.
	Got it.
	But you're blaming the comments for your action, not taking responsibility for your action.
	No, no, because even if I post a selfie of just my face, you're gonna be like, I want to come all over that.
	I'm like, I'm eating a cookie.
	Okay, but again, you're seeing a window into the depraved sexual nature.
	So how is that my issue?
	Fix it yourself, you weirdo.
	Okay, but you're right.
	That could be an attitude.
	And that has been the attitude the last 30 years.
	Where has it gotten us?
	Less people married, less people in happy relationships.
	So both sides have work to do.
	If you're a panel of men, I'd be talking kind of a message.
	But you're saying it's a woman's job to fix men from being depraved?
	Or what do you think?
	I have an entire chapter of this book about how we should ban pornography.
	Sign that for me later, I'll buy it.
	Getting close to earning it.
	I earned it.
	But no, I have an entire chapter of this book on how men need to stop watching pornography and stop being both sides.
	I don't think anyone.
	Both sides have growth to do.
	I don't know.
	But we're here at a female-driven panel, so I'm trying to make a difference.
	Hold on, let me throw a little hair.
	Anyway, I'm way over time.
	You want to ban pornography?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	I totally agree.
	Do you agree?
	I agree.
	But so you're an OnlyFans, so help me with that.
	Yeah, but I don't do pornography.
	Is it lingerie, you said?
	Yeah.
	It's borderline, but yeah.
	Yeah, borderline, but it's a Victoria's secret model.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah, okay.
	You do OnlyFans.
	Are you in favor?
	Do you object to Charlie's position on banning porn?
	Yeah.
	Which would correspondingly.
	You're in favor of it?
	You earned a book.
	So you mean, like, if I'm against it?
	Did I kick at Julie?
	Send it.
	Julie, he wants to ban porn, so you'd be banning what you do.
	Oh, that looks so exciting.
	I say, Julie, ban porn.
	Yes.
	I'm taking this all the way back to Cannon.
	I'm taking this all the way back to Canada.
	It literally says, Julie, ban back to Canada.
	All the way back to Canada.
	Charlie, do you think we should annex Canada?
	No.
	No, I don't want Canada.
	Oh, no.
	Nobody wants Canada.
	I hate it there, too.
	Don't worry.
	I'm going to stand for just a few more.
	Yeah, I got like five minutes.
	This is okay.
	That was really good, though, guys.
	But think about it.
	I'm just saying that you have to then act in the direction of the man you want.
	And then have to act in the direction of the woman they want.
	I agree.
	And at some point, maybe romantically, we can meet halfway.
	What if it's a man who wants an OnlyFans girl and an OnlyFans girl who wants to be a woman?
	Then he's a degenerate.
	I do want to shift gears here.
	But of course, you get what you want, but that's not what one ought.
	Okay.
	By the way, those watching, afterwards, we do have Andrew Wilson.
	He's going to do a call in once Charlie has to go.
	I do want to ask, going around the table to open something else up to the table, would you date a guy who owned firearms?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	I think so.
	Of course.
	Depends.
	Yes.
	AR-15.
	Pew-Pew.
	We had this conversation before.
	I don't know enough about guns to have an opinion.
	It's the big, scary black one.
	That scares me.
	So probably not.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Oh, man.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Well, I got to run.
	So, can I just say one thing in closing, though?
	There's a lot of attention towards that men need to be better men, and that's a thing.
	I think that women are exempt far too often in that conversation.
	Well, they can be better women.
	There you go.
	And so you have to take it as a good sport.
	I'm so happy.
	Thank you.
	The most important thing you can do is give your life to Jesus and to give your life to God.
	See, she rolls her eyes.
	Take the book back.
	Take it back.
	Read the book.
	Take it back.
	Because here's why.
	Jesus loves you and he died for you.
	I'm sure he loves me, but let me find it out on my own, please.
	You can find it out on your own.
	One question about the book.
	Yes.
	Cool.
	In the book, is there a specific chapter about dating?
	Oh, yeah.
	No, there's actually a whole thing about life advice for male and men and women.
	I'm super excited to read this.
	It's actually not even funny.
	You're going to read it.
	No, I think you'll actually.
	I'm also going to read it.
	I think you'll actually enjoy part of it.
	Blake, what part of the book is that?
	I'm trying to find it.
	I'm going to read the hell out of it.
	Are you just going to be a little bit more?
	Somebody said there was a picture of it.
	It's advice for women and advice for men.
	I don't know.
	Changing yourself.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's here.
	Advice for men and women right here.
	Should we do like a read a paragraph?
	No, not.
	Oh, yeah.
	How about this?
	Date seriously right away with an eye towards marriage and family, which we talked about.
	If your goal is to put family and children above your career, avoid an educational path that has too much debt.
	Watch your weight and do your best to maintain your attractiveness.
	Listen to your parents, especially your mom, and don't be afraid to ask her for advice.
	She was crazy, though.
	Do you have a dad?
	Yeah, but he was.
	Does your dad love you?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Okay, then ask him for advice.
	What else you got there?
	Volunteer to help out your Sunday school nursery.
	You can laugh at that, but it's a great way to see if you can get it.
	Thank you, Charlie, for you.
	Thanks, guys.
	Charlie Kirk is.
	Wait, one sec.
	Oh, sorry, hold on.
	I got to play this.
	Buy the book, everybody.
	Guys, get the book.
	Charlie, I gotta play this right before you leave.
	Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
	Wait, stop, stop, stop, stop.
	He's a great decent man.
	He's a pioneer.
	He's a pioneer.
	Thank you for coming, Charlie.
	Good to have you.
	Thanks, Charlie.
	Thank you to Charlie Kirk for coming.
	Here's his book, Right Wing Revolution.

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